Well, this is my latest wip, is a Parody of Evil Ken, that i'm making to honour Reu's mugen work.is a Spriteswap of evil Ken, that's why i called "evil Homer"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGIIXmpfEv0P.D.Damn ! i tried to put the video here, but doesn't work. then i just put the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGIIXmpfEv0Ha ha. Looks like a great W.I.P. You could rip more sounds, though. Good to hear from you again, Warner.
well, i made those shorts some days ago, and join them to show in youtube, but at this time the char is more complete, and also it has more homero's sounds. (spanish)
Awesome as always - Can't wait to take him for a spin.Ooo and from the video, the dance would give him that evil-concidedness a evil character really needs*Hides*
WoW this looks awsome, I say make a lot of intros with flanders dieing.... oh and a intro with evil homer going through angel homer with a bareknuckle like evil ken's winnng pose with bison.
Looks great. So it's a Spriteswap of Evil Ken, at this moment in time, so is this going to keep the style of Reu's Character, or are other attacks going to be added?
9999 \_o__/ said, April 20, 2008, 12:50:44 amAre you planning, to give him original moves? he looks like a sprite swap. He said it's a Spriteswap
well, it's a spriteswap, but i change some moves to make him funny, example: the hadoukens, he does with his mouth, sometime he use a trident instead a long kick, and horns instead elbows. etc
good work, but besides all the great work you always do, give him some original feel, its cool but evil homer can do it better but a sprite swaphey warner, que tal si incorporas a satan flanders de los especiales de halloween???
Seems like an awesome character.You can't go wrong with an evil Homer character.Good luck on this project.
Toons, this is an english forum, type in english or else how are others gonna understand what you are saying?
I wonder if Reu would kill for this, if he were still alive. Considering you are only doing a sprite swap of his Evil Ken. Well, sprites looking good as usual. Nice work.
Well i remember Reu as a nice person, who sometime said to support open source.Reu said, August 28, 2007, 06:32:39 pmAlthough I support MUGEN being an open source format. I also want to strongly encourage the respect of intellectual property when someone has created something original. Some of you may have different interpretations of this, but for me, this is where I draw my own line. All are always welcome to copy paste alter his coding as I have seen in several characters already, but sprite wise, sound wise (where not using cvs sounds), I hope that my wishes are respected.His work live forever !
A bit off topic but where you found that MUGEN character of Daisy? She looked awesome. I especially like know the creator. Anyway, Evil Homer looks geat so far.
Mugen Toons said, April 23, 2008, 05:52:06 amTienes fecha de lanzamiento ? Didnt iced tell you to talk english Anyway homer looks sweet so farI see he has some badass combos Goodluck on the rest of this project
Well, here is another video before its release. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJ5NRhy8pnIGreatDragon AD said, April 23, 2008, 05:49:43 amA bit off topic but where you found that MUGEN character of Daisy? She looked awesome. I especially like know the creator. Anyway, Evil Homer looks geat so far.here: http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=78533.0p.d. Mugen toons ask me for the release date.i say May 1st.
Looks awsome so farim just curious are you going to make interatcive intro's with some of your other characters
sorry, just as u heard it in second video.spanish, my language but if somedody wants to make a sound patch someday, for me is ok.
???Are you talking about the sound in Spanish, or the general Evil Homer idea ?Anyway, I see something like that (sprite swapping with completely created sprites) much more like an hommage than La Parca's "high-resing" for example.
God [E]pilepsy said, April 24, 2008, 01:11:33 pmstop naggin kfmKiss my ass, I only just started "nagging" him. This isn't a goddamn homage, it's "Reu can't possibly object so I can ride on his work to glory!" And added to that it was pretty well established Reu had qualms about people doing similar to Evil Ken in the past (Holy Ken, anyone)The best person to say anything about this would ultimately be TMasta in the long run, given Reu's works defered to him.
cHoMp said, February 21, 2008, 10:13:53 amWarner said:Bart, que debido a que nadie ha hecho un char decente de éste personaje, se me ha ocurrido hacerlo, tomando de base el code de un char de P.O.T.S.por lo que creo que no me tardaría en hacerlo, debido a que ya está la programación.Se supone que el material de p.o.t.s. es open source, por lo que creo q al final lo podré compartir con todos.amenos que p.o.t.s. no me lo permita y sea sólo de mi uso privado. Evil Homer, (Homero el malo) se me ocurrió en homenaje a REU y su EvilKen, asi que estoy usando el code de EvilKen y viene a ser como una parodia de ese personaje tan increible que nos legara a todos Reu.No sé si está bien que use su code, pero como dije es un pequeño homenaje a su obra, pero si la comunidad ve mal que use éste code, será sólo un char más en mi colección privada.Si álguien sabe algo con respecto al uso de esos codes, favor hacérmelo saber a mi mail warneremir@yahoo.com o aquí en mi foro o en el guestbook. No prometo terminarlos rápido, pero en abril tengo mis vacaciones anuales, 15 días enteros en mi casa, de los cuales ocupare buen rato en éstos mis wips.(fast translation)Bart, because no one has done a fair char of him, i've decided to create him taking as the base a char from P.O.T.S.so i think it won't take me too long because the coding is already done.It's supposed P.O.T.S stuff is open source so i think I will be able to release it unless P.O.T.S tells me not to do it.Evil Homer, this char is a tribute for Reu and his Evil Ken char, i'm using Evil Ken's coding and It will be like a parody of his wonderful char he created for us.I don't know if it's ok to use his code but like i said, it's a little tribute for him. If the community sees this as a wrong action then Evil Homer will be 1 more in my private collection.If someone knows something about the usage of these codes, please let me know by e-mail warneremir@yahoo.com, also you can tell me in my forum and/or guestbook. I don't promise I will finish them soon but in April I will have my annual vacations, 15 days all-day long at my house which I will use for my Wips.that was from his website a while back, and someone translated itso kfm, it seems that if too many people react negatively or if the people in charge say no, he wont release it
Kung_Fu_Man said, April 24, 2008, 01:21:14 pmGod [E]pilepsy said, April 24, 2008, 01:11:33 pmstop naggin kfmKiss my ass.This is ok because he's a "ZOMG a contributor AND donator!!1" right?
This will not end well, believe me. Best keep your distance.Now on to the matter of why Warner decided to go back to making spriteswaps, the likes of which were already deemed years ago as "a bad idea".Ran out of people to do scratch codework? This is something I find highly doubtful given your talents.
Warner: Did you know Reu? If so you would know he would never have approved of this. No matter his stance on open source or whatever shit you're spewing. Nice job disrespecting him though, this is truly about as close to raping his corpse as you could get. To summarize this is tasteless and you should be ashamed. But you won't be, and neither will the other people who just suck off anybody who "makes" anything that they can leech. Truly tasteless.Edit: Why not make a stage based on Hurricane Katrina while you're working on pissing on other people's misfortune?
Rabite said, April 24, 2008, 04:22:43 pmWarner: Did you know Reu? If so you would know he would never have approved of this. No matter his stance on open source or whatever shit you're spewing. Nice job disrespecting him though, this is truly about as close to raping his corpse as you could get. To summarize this is tasteless and you should be ashamed. But you won't be, and neither will the other people who just suck off anybody who "makes" anything that they can leech. Truly tasteless.Evil Momoko said, April 24, 2008, 04:03:48 pmThis will not end well, believe me. Best keep your distance.Now on to the matter of why Warner decided to go back to making spriteswaps, the likes of which were already deemed years ago as "a bad idea".Ran out of people to do scratch codework? This is something I find highly doubtful given your talents. Yeah iv got a bad feeling about this this could be the end of evil homer i think hes done hes last dance
QuoteAll are always welcome to copy paste alter his coding as I have seen in several characters already, but sprite wise, sound wise (where not using cvs sounds), I hope that my wishes are respected.Based on the quote from Reu above, it seems he mainly had qualms with people stealing Evil Ken's sprites and sounds.
Violin Ken said, April 24, 2008, 04:40:29 pmQuoteAll are always welcome to copy paste alter his coding as I have seen in several characters already, but sprite wise, sound wise (where not using cvs sounds), I hope that my wishes are respected.Based on the quote from Reu above, it seems he mainly had qualms with people stealing Evil Ken's sprites and sounds. And based on knowing Reu for 4+ years I'd say you have no idea what you're talking about. But what would I know, I only asked for permission to use a few things which he said no to.
QuoteAnd based on knowing Reu for 4+ years I'd say you have no idea what you're talking about. But what would I know, I only asked for permission to use a few things which he said no to.Yet, he is listed on Randomselect as open source in relation to code.http://randomselect.piiym.net/forum/index.php?topic=3844.0Indeed taking a whole character is different from copy and pasting a few sections of code. Regardless, I agree with Kung Fu Man and l think TMasta is the one who should have the final say.
QuoteYet, he is listed on Randomselect as open source in relation to code.Actually put that badly on there and forgot to remove it till now (it was supposed to say "code bits" anyway). Thanks for pointing that one out. x.x'
if you all think it's Blasphemy then fine warner should keep it privatei just don't see why the hell that semi hires fuck of a edit could be cooland this is not.okay i agree taking the whole char as base is a bad thingwarner is better of with the bits and pieceson the other hand, warner could also just release a spritepack
God [E]pilepsy said, April 24, 2008, 05:11:33 pmi just don't see why the hell that semi hires fuck of a edit could be cool and this is not.If you've read the "Hi-Res" edits thread, nobody was supporting it but...
While you guys continue to complain and complain... If you don't believe it should be released thats something you could of told Warner PRIVATELY in a mature manner instead ofQuoteKiss my assPersonally I don't think anyone has the right to speak on Reu's behalf.SoHUSHHHH
Princess Chubba Wubba said, April 24, 2008, 07:57:31 pm If you don't believe it should be released thats something you could of told Warner PRIVATELY in a mature mannerNo, open statement here fits better.God [E]pilepsy said, April 24, 2008, 05:11:33 pmon the other hand, warner could also just release a spritepackGuy has a track record, old habits die hard.Princess Chubba Wubba said, April 24, 2008, 07:57:31 pmPersonally I don't think anyone has the right to speak on Reu's behalf.SoHUSHHHHChaos *Beholder of Fate* said, April 24, 2008, 08:03:29 pmSaid like a G. Mod even though you arent a G.Mod.I like it. If Reu were here he probably would too.Princess Chubba Wubba said, April 24, 2008, 07:57:31 pmPersonally I don't think anyone has the right to speak on Reu's behalf.SoHUSHHHHBe reminded we're acting based on Warner's statement that he is making a spriteswap of Reu's Ken. This is only a WIP topic, so there's no use furthering discussion here, it's up to Warner if his creation continues to go this way. We need a statement from him.
Goddamnit you people start bitching about every other thing.He isnt pretending he created evil ken, he isnt "RIDING IT FOR GLORY" There is no fucking glory.This is not someone trying to get on top of "THA GAME" sprite editing evil ken for his own version of evil ken. Its an actual thought out edit, with major work envolved.You could have acted like goddamn persons about it, but instead? NO, you go and try to make a huge drama about it, pulling back "RECORD CASES" . Seriously its stupid to see that only viya that is here by a shorter lenght of time than anyone else ACTUALLY MADE SENSE TALKING ABOUT IT.You dont even know if he is gonna release it as a sprite pack or whatever, as a patch or whatever, but you are already defending your "TURF" from the bad guys.GROW UP
Kung_Fu_Man said, April 24, 2008, 01:02:38 pmWarner, no. No fucking way. This is too goddamn low brow even for you.:banned: from thread
Iced said, April 24, 2008, 08:18:12 pmGoddamnit you people start bitching about every other thing.He isnt pretending he created evil ken, he isnt "RIDING IT FOR GLORY" There is no fucking glory.This is not someone trying to get on top of "THA GAME" sprite editing evil ken for his own version of evil ken. Its an actual thought out edit, with major work envolved.You could have acted like goddamn persons about it, but instead? NO, you go and try to make a huge drama about it, pulling back "RECORD CASES" . Seriously its stupid to see that only viya that is here by a shorter lenght of time than anyone else ACTUALLY MADE SENSE TALKING ABOUT IT.You dont even know if he is gonna release it as a sprite pack or whatever, as a patch or whatever, but you are already defending your "TURF" from the bad guys.GROW UPthank you you make the most sense the whole conversation i take my hate off to you so tired of the drama.....
Speaking as KFM:QuoteHe isnt pretending he created evil ken, he isnt "RIDING IT FOR GLORY" There is no fucking glory.Bull. Shit. People aren't going to see "Warner's sprites on Evil Ken", they're going to see "Warner's Evil Homer", just like they have EVERY similar project looked at it like it was solely his. And I ask you: how is that not riding on someone else's back to get some fameQuoteIts an actual thought out edit, with major work envolved.Because spriting Homer in a devil suit to match up with Evil Ken's animations is serious business and so incredibly hard.QuoteYou dont even know if he is gonna release it as a sprite pack or whatever, as a patch or whatever, but you are already defending your "TURF" from the bad guys.Read Warner's own post. He's not releasing it as a patch he's counting on it working with Reu's coding as a core. Like he's done how many times over the years? Let's see, off the top of my head: H"s Iori, Eli's Big Eli, Mario's Luigi...QuotePersonally I don't think anyone has the right to speak on Reu's behalf.TMasta can, and did apparently state no.
Hoshi said, April 24, 2008, 09:13:38 pmQuoteIts an actual thought out edit, with major work envolved.Because spriting Homer in a devil suit to match up with Evil Ken's animations is serious business and so incredibly hard.It could be. Let me fix this for you.Hoshi said, April 24, 2008, 09:13:38 pmBecause overwriting an SFF file is serious business and so incredibly hard.
Hoshi said, April 24, 2008, 09:13:38 pmSpeaking as KFM:QuoteHe isnt pretending he created evil ken, he isnt "RIDING IT FOR GLORY" There is no fucking glory.Bull. Shit. People aren't going to see "Warner's sprites on Evil Ken", they're going to see "Warner's Evil Homer", just like they have EVERY similar project looked at it like it was solely his. And I ask you: how is that not riding on someone else's back to get some fameQuoteIts an actual thought out edit, with major work envolved.Because spriting Homer in a devil suit to match up with Evil Ken's animations is serious business and so incredibly hard.QuoteYou dont even know if he is gonna release it as a sprite pack or whatever, as a patch or whatever, but you are already defending your "TURF" from the bad guys.Read Warner's own post. He's not releasing it as a patch he's counting on it working with Reu's coding as a core. Like he's done how many times over the years? Let's see, off the top of my head: H"s Iori, Eli's Big Eli, Mario's Luigi...QuotePersonally I don't think anyone has the right to speak on Reu's behalf.TMasta can, and did apparently state no.Thank you for ridiculing this person death with your attitudes. Meanwhile, bring on your mugen lawyers and stuff too, instead of trying to discuss rationally with someone.That is sure to help.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=78926.0OK, stop the drama now.both sides already stated what are their toughts. now wait for warner's response.anyone else's post will be deleted on sight.edit: Just to clear some missunderstanding on this post.it is obvious that one of the interested parts, Warner, has been missing the last 2 pages of discussion. if he does not post what his stance on this whole discussion, including his interpretation on the facts brought up by KFM, Rabite and the others, everything is nothing but pure speculation, since no one here has decisive power over Reu's work.so, until Warner or Tmasta (or anyone who is a legit spokesman for Reu's work) post their stance on the matter, no one posts. i'm not locking, since this could send the wrong impression to the interested parts.and i would ask for them to give their toughts.
You should release it as a SFF patch for evilken, i mean, it's not like if you did anything else than using homer sprites on him.
For once, I agree with alucard_x. If it must be released, just make it a patch for Homer. That would prevent a lot of drama.
all of you that went on about what reu would have done and said and oh remember he posted this and that in this situation and there's a spokesperson and a 2nd level spokesperson SHUT THE FUCK UP. YOU MAKE ME FUCKING SICK. if you find this edit of reu's character distasteful, don't download it. i could remove or lock this topic or ban warner (which i definitely won't), but that would accomplish nothing.if the first thing that comes to your mind is about how someone is grave robbing someone else and riding their coat tails to fame and then you use that person's death as a bludgeon device into an argument, you are incredibly tasteless and should probably reconsider your prioritiesnow, let this topic continue as it should
...mmk.I like the sprites, but i agree with that person who said you should release it as a patch=)if you want to add custom coding and what not, could you patch that too ???or would you need the whole file for that?i couldn't be sure>_>I'm not sure, but either way, i do like the sprites, and i hope you at the very least finish them=)
Warner, from the latest video he seems to be coming along Never seen someone make so many sprites in a short period of time before o.ODo you have an idea of a release thread yet?
Looks like i'm going to have to post here to clear things up.First off, as the only Mugen Institute member nowadays i look after Reu's work wich i told him i would do if needed. (Ironically enough we were joking back then.)Since Reu didn't want anyone to screw up his work with whatever could possibly do so i decided not to let anyone use the characters in such a way. Yes, the code is open source, however, for reference and/or bits of it, not to (near) completely copy and sff patch it.Further more, MaranCV contacted me some time ago about Warner asking permission, i clearly said no.There was a thread about it at infinity containing posts by Warner aswell so he can't say he didn't know.An "SFF ONLY" patch, hence "SFF ONLY" is fine however.
aLuCaRd_X said, April 24, 2008, 11:04:24 pmYou should release it as a SFF patch for evilken, i mean, it's not like if you did anything else than using homer sprites on him. It's not as easy, i fix a lot of collision box to fit the sprites, also the amount of them in some animations, change some explodes,change two win poses, add freeze an electrocuted animations, change his voice too. etc.it would be to patch the air, cns, sff, snd, def filesthat is nonsense. sorry princess, but i can't understand this "Do you have an idea of a release thread yet?"need a translation.
i don't see the point of a patch as they're not practical at all (you need the original character and matching version and you have to make two copies and...). the end result is the same anyway
Warner said, April 25, 2008, 02:02:47 amsorry princess, but i can't understand this "Do you have an idea of a release thread yet?"need a translation.Whoops wrote it wrong..Do you have a release date in mind?
Ultimately it will be up to Warner. We won't pressure him here so you'll have to take this up with him elsewhere.That also doesn't mean spamming his PM box with insults, he can report those as well. But do whatever it is you feel you need to do away from Guild.Anyway, that was surprisingly handled pretty well. It's up to Warner at this point.He is free to post his WIP and release here if he feels he should go through with it. At this point lets post only if it's a "normal" wip response. Or perhaps if someone wants to assist warner in one of those more complicated patching methods that can patch many files.
I'm not going to pressure him at all, i'm just pointing out my decission as the person looking after Reu's work to the public. It's up to Warner wether he wants to disrespect that choice and Reu's work.
To make this Char is not a disrespect to Reu's work, it's my way to honour his work.a kind of homage to Reu's evil chars.also i said a Parody like the simpson spirit itself. i want to release him May 1st.but if i got support for everybody.
Warner said, April 25, 2008, 02:37:53 amTo make this Char is not a disrespect to Reu's work, it's my way to honour his work.a kind of homage to Reu's evil chars.also i said a Parody like the simpson spirit itself. i want to release him May 1st.but if i got support for everybody. Honoring someone who took his mugen work more serious than you think and died in an accident by making a JOKE character? Someone who died in an accident? JOKE character?Well you don't have my support with this character.But hey, if you feel the need to disregard things.... it wouldn't be the first time, remember that luigi?
I went ahead and deleted the last 2 posts. I would like this to be taken up in PM.When it's public it can get ugly, people jump in with their 2 cents, and it ends up looking like an attempt to be right.This isn't a public discussion, turning it into something for everyone to see really disrespects IMO as Reu was never into that stuff.I say this because of the touchy subject. We know what kind of posts will come from this "discussion" it already occured once. A few smarter posters like yourself and the way TMasta responded will post, a few smarter posters will give the opposite view, then we have the bandwagon jumpers that are only posting to defend Warner and their precious Evil Homer, or to insult and look cool in front of those against it.All in all no respect will be shown and a silly bunch of hate will once again be spewed onto the internet over something that wasn't Reu's life. That's why I don't want THIS thread to be open to discussionllV
I don't see how it's some sort of homage or parody.Sure Reu's code is open source, but I'm pretty sure he never meant it as "completely sprite swap my characters".What a waste of good sprites, instead of ending up as a great, new, original character with different moves and such, it ends up being a lame carbon copy of the original with different sprites (hint, you can make a homage for Reu without resorting to plain "plagiarism")Then again, lol morals and fuck people learning how to code, might as well end up with another ten or so Evil Ken sprite swaps, then again, in this sort of community everything goes, so *shrug*QuoteThis isn't a public discussionIt isn't?I could swear this was a public (Mugen) forum where people can discuss and post their opinions on different subjects, sure, as long as they word their opinions correctly.
Princess Chubba Wubba said, April 25, 2008, 02:58:56 amNot when insults start flying and egos go ablaze, this conversation already ended so lets not try to rekindle it?...That's exactly what I said...read the last line of my post?And as long as this is a public forum conversations can't "just end"...or should we call this section the "Mindless praise for works in progress" section?And that's my last post related to the subject, out of respect of both parties.tl;dr I feel this character has tons of wasted potential, which is sad...most good coders can't sprite and most good sprites can't code, that's how it works, I guess.
Well we all need to get back onto topic. This went from talking about A WIP to talking about ownership and Reu and other things that are very much irrelevant. I say, well mostly in my opinion, if you're not here to speak about Evil Homer get your ass outta this thread.
I agree with Glavin on that wasted potential subject, so, if you go through with it try to really edit it away from the source material, a lot, it could be way better if specifically coded towards its own "thing".
wowwowow When JNP delete my last post, i went to Recicle bin and i found 2 pages of this thread. i work all day, and only by night i can use internet. i didn't know about all that comments.well....At this time i can code whatever char i would like to make, but about evil Homer, i wanna make it at this way. i have my reasons.sorry if somebody doesn't like this char, for me Mugen is fun, and now doesn't seem so funny at all.Now i really don't know if release this char....
Why? I see no reason in not releasing him due to the fact of a few people saying crap. Personally I dont mind have a sprite swapped charcter. He looks cool and funny. I planned on DLing him when he came out and have im face Evil Ken. But now that you might not release him I feel saddened
What's warner doing wrong? I think of his evil homer not as a "grave robbing" as you would say, but more of a fanart/spriteswap. Nothing bad would come out of this char IMO. It's not like this char will make you go on a rampage killing babies, it's just a character. That's just my opinion
[(_sourlucas_)]> said, April 25, 2008, 04:18:35 amWhat's warner doing wrong? I think of his evil homer not as a "grave robbing" as you would say, but more of a fanart/spriteswap. Nothing bad would come out of this char IMO. It's not like this char will make you go on a rampage killing babies, it's just a character. That's just my opinion This will never end
Haha, and on the other end of the stick I don't want users jumping in here telling Warner he SHOULD release this.Really now, this is different than most issues. I don't have to give my thoughts on what he should or shouldn't do... it's up to Warner. He either has fun and believes he is making a tribute or he gives into guilt and has to keep it private... No answer is right or wrong... So yeah... um... don't make me get all super delete happy mod again and abuse my power some more XDSeriously though, this is simply an awkward topic to moderate... so tread with care and respect when posting please.
Warner said, April 25, 2008, 03:27:13 amwowwowow When JNP delete my last post, i went to Recicle bin and i found 2 pages of this thread. i work all day, and only by night i can use internet. i didn't know about all that comments.Comments restored. Hiding them doesn't make anything better, only worse.Personally, I agree with ZantetsuMug and think this project is a bad idea.
Personally, I think all of warner's projects are bad ideas too ... But that does not make me go and try to stop him, though I obviously don't encourage him either.
when you have no choice what didn't happen is better than what will happen...@Warner : I guess you better keep this char private, and a release would be regarded as plagiarism as stated before...that would only bring more hate to the atmospherepeople have different minds, some take stuff seriously for their own reasons, no one could be understood unless judged by every of his own standards
Seeing the drama involved, seriously : keep the character private, and if you want, distribute the sprites, which are obviously well done, so that people can make good use of them.
Its like those anime characters that cry over meaningless things ignoring actual meaningful things going on. In a sense its like Homer itself.And thats ironic.Im ashamed of the way most reactions went on, Zantetsu and Vyia made the most sense out of this all.A better use for this character would be with its own flavour, its own style, instead of based off Evil Ken, but come what might.
i have been following this page for a bit now. and im really surprised at the community. warner is one of the most talented creaters around and we all know that. he has more original characters then i think anyone. i believe reu would be honored to have warner create such a character.evil homer looks awesome and seems to be coming along very well. keep up the awesome work man
ink said, April 25, 2008, 04:26:04 pmwarner is one of the most talented spriters around and we all know that.Fixed, and that tells a lot.ink said, April 25, 2008, 04:26:04 pmi believe reu would be honored to have warner create such a character.Please people, no drama about this sentence...
message to warner: who cares if there are a few people who dont like it......the % that do like the character and want to play with the character is far greater than them, release him man....dont waste hard work
blackchaos07 said, April 25, 2008, 05:08:57 pmmessage to warner: who cares if there are a few people who dont like it......the % that do like the character and want to play with the character is far greater than them, release him man....dont waste hard work QuoteI don't want users jumping in here telling Warner he SHOULD release this.
blackchaos07 said, April 25, 2008, 05:08:57 pmmessage to warner: who cares if there are a few people who dont like it......the % that do like the character and want to play with the character is far greater than them, release him man....dont waste hard work Agree.ink said, April 25, 2008, 04:26:04 pmi have been following this page for a bit now. and im really surprised at the community. warner is one of the most talented creaters around and we all know that. he has more original characters then i think anyone. i believe reu would be honored to have warner create such a character.evil homer looks awesome and seems to be coming along very well. keep up the awesome work man Don´t give up,man!Yours works are excellent,as ever...
The opinion of some random leechers, don't matter. I think Warner should create a new character.Instead of a sprite swap, and just add a supermove, similar to one of Evil Ken's as a tribute to Reu..
All of you disgust me. Really. This has gone completely out of control. I can agree with the point that Warner should not bother making this public without him given permission, but to go and say that he is "graverobbing" is bollocks. Absolute bollocks. How dare anyone run round puffing their chests about a man's memory (a man that most people did not even know) is downright insulting to Reu and his family. Furthmore, bickering on such a public scale such as this. Look at yourselves, nearly all are grown-ass men bickering like fucking kids and you should be really ashamed at yourselves. Also, if you feel so bad about it, help him by coding instead of bitching, it may be of some use to him instead of kicking his ass down to the ground. Again, Warner was wrong for making public his project without permisssion. But, I think that it is wrong to use a dead person's memory as such.
Gaptooth INC. said, April 25, 2008, 06:20:14 pmAll of you disgust me. Really. This has gone completely out of control. I can agree with the point that Warner should not bother making this public without him given permission, but to go and say that he is "graverobbing" is bollocks. Absolute bollocks. How dare anyone run round puffing their chests about a man's memory (a man that most people did not even know) is downright insulting to Reu and his family. Furthmore, bickering on such a public scale such as this. Look at yourselves, nearly all are grown-ass men bickering like fucking kids and you should be really ashamed at yourselves. Also, if you feel so bad about it, help him by coding instead of bitching, it may be of some use to him instead of kicking his ass down to the ground. Again, Warner was wrong for making public his project without permisssion. But, I think that it is wrong to use a dead person's memory as such.Yeah, we didn't know him, heck, most of us have never met him, but we all know what his personality is like, from chatting to him on these forums. Reu loved what he did, from his Dragonclaw creation, to his music, he always put his heart into everything he did, you could see this in Dragonclaw and his music. this is why we have alot of respect for him, and this is why people are rebelling against this creation getting released. Reu's work should not be Edited or updated, they should stay as they are. Now, i know warner was doing this out of heart, but he should have known that people would react like this.
Gaptooth INC. said, April 25, 2008, 06:20:14 pm to go and say that he is "graverobbing" is bollocks. Absolute bollocks. How dare anyone run round puffing their chests about a man's memory (a man that most people did not even know) is downright insulting to Reu and his family.
I am reminded of watching a record of a 2 years old kid walking to a pool, you know he is going to fall into it and you know he is going to drown, but you can't stop him.At least now I understand why tds wanted to lock this topic.
well then.I know you want it to be like reu's, to play like his evil ken and have that "reu"-like feel, i guess, but maybe you could use his reu as a model? so that you can learn really good coding? It seems like you can do everything but the coding(I can't either, so you're not alone!)so here's what (I think) you should do warner, you don't have to listen but it sounds like a good idea to me:1) keep the mod for yourself, or release it as a mod, call it a mod, and make sure everyone knows reu's work was used for 90/80/70 percent of the character, or whatever, i don't know.2) release a spritesheet or spritepack. you would have coders flocking to you for permission to code it, because, imo, you do sprites really good! doesn't that make everybody feel better?I do like these sprites, and I wouldn't want them to go to waste.but then again, what do I know?not a mod or anything, but it seems like a good idea, right?
aeommai said, April 25, 2008, 10:07:01 pm1) keep the mod for yourself, or release it as a mod, call it a mod, and make sure everyone knows reu's work was used for 90/80/70 percent of the character, or whatever, i don't know.Well based on what I'm reading, the only real things that were going to be modified were the .sff, .air, and .snd files, leaving the coding pretty much intact. It's quite possible to just zip those up and say "apply this to Evil Ken." Oh yeah, an alt .def might help so that you don't have to copy Evil Ken, and just have Evil Homer refer to the appropriate files.aeommai said, April 25, 2008, 10:07:01 pm2) release a spritesheet or spritepack. you would have coders flocking to you for permission to code it, because, imo, you do sprites really good! No to spritesheet. Spritepack with perfect alignment if anything, because manually aligning sprites is a pain in the ass.
Imposter Titiln said, April 25, 2008, 10:11:39 pmWell based on what I'm reading, the only real things that were going to be modified were the .sff, .air, and .snd files, leaving the coding pretty much intact. It's quite possible to just zip those up and say "apply this to Evil Ken." Oh yeah, an alt .def might help so that you don't have to copy Evil Ken, and just have Evil Homer refer to the appropriate files.I said that. But warner's adding other things too, like intros and whatnot, so he said that he needed the codes. I think:SImposter Titiln said, April 25, 2008, 10:11:39 pmNo to spritesheet. Spritepack with perfect alignment if anything, because manually aligning sprites is a pain in the ass.yes, although mugen character maker and such and such makes it all the more easier.Warner, I think you should take this opportunity, to really study the code tutorials, and learn from them and reu's work=)maybe others will approve of that??I don't know, but again, I like the sprites, and i don't want your time to be wasted.
aeommai said, April 25, 2008, 10:29:12 pmI said that. But warner's adding other things too, like intros and whatnot, so he said that he needed the codes. I think:Soh misread that, although that could be solved with a .txt file that reads "copy this into Evil Ken's .cns," and have said states trigger only if the character's name is "Evil Homer."aeommai said, April 25, 2008, 10:29:12 pmyes, although mugen character maker and such and such makes it all the more easier.No, that's something else. In perfectly aligned sprites, you practically just align one sprite and apply the same axis to every sprite after that. Otherwise you have to manually align the sprites each time, which in Homer's case, would likely involve drawing visual cues from the previous sprite, which isn't 100% foolproof.
there's a lot of drama here! they should make a drama page for crap like this.i keep looking on this thread(Projects thread)and not really finding much on the project. but found plenty of DRAMA.any whoi just checked out all your youtube videos. your intros/winning poses are hilarious!! how many different ones does evil homer have?
Reu said, August 27, 2007, 07:21:23 pmI support the change with respect to trying to make this angry elitist mugen community more open and forgiving. I just feel certain lines have to be drawn and enforced in a positive manner, not the way they were last time.If that happens, I guess I'm cool. But for now I think I'll sit out and watch to see if they reach this happy medium.a quote from reu a while back about his stance on the newer guild policies, dont know if this helps but i think it means that he wanted people to be more open, but still have limits on what they takeif you dont believe this is th quote i can take a screenshot of the pm but anyways i think a patch would be approved but a simple sprite swap wouldnt be approved, least thats my take on the situation
Masato said, April 25, 2008, 02:43:02 amHonoring someone who took his mugen work more serious than you think and died in an accident by making a JOKE character? Someone who died in an accident? JOKE character?Well you don't have my support with this character.You don't need to mention that, what kind of people are you? that wasn't ethical.answering,,,I'm not making a char of Reu.(it seems like you're trying to people believe that)i'm making a char of evil ken. parody of evil ken, not Reu.i'm not destroying his original work, i don't want his work disappear. i just use one of his work to make something new.the only one who can destroy Reu's work are the one who host his chars.and...about taking a work seriously, i know about that, i created 12 mugen chars, and wasn't easy to draw that thousands of sprites from scratch.and always share my work with the community, and never cried to people don't use my uniques sprites.Thats mean i love what i do, and my reward always be, people having fun with my work.But Now, a lot of people makes me to take a determination.All my work since Now it will be Privatebecause i see a lot of people never understand the meaning of Mugen.Sorry for the ones who always support me, you should thanks people like Masato, who think, to host a char is to be the owner. heheBye.p.d. here is my next wip (private too) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOZz2qQ80RY
Hi, a lot of people dislike the idea i do private evil Homer.so i made a poll to see the community opinion.you can decide about my char ( to share or not ), here: http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=79191.0