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Re: Warnings v2
#1521  February 14, 2013, 10:59:19 am
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Cyanide said, February 14, 2013, 04:55:04 am
But there is no reason to treat it like that. If it is a users first offence it's 3 days. We've established that. Why must bans be some obscure number of days based on anything else? If it's 3 days and they repeat the same offence, it's a week. If it's 3 days and they do a different offence, 3 days. If it's 3 days and then they repeat it 3 months down the track is it still a week or another 3 days or an increase to a fortnight. I don't like applying abitrary lengths to this stuff.

Agreed.


I think we need to have lower tolerance on repeat offenders. I like the idea of a first offence being a 3 day ban. If need be, we can discuss the nature of the offence and increase it if necessary. I think if User X's first offence is constantly harrassing User Y, then they come back after 3 days and start "shit posting" we need to take into consideration that they have been banned before and increase the duration of their ban.

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Re: Warnings v2
#1522  February 14, 2013, 04:11:36 pm
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Just to make it clear, the first offense slap on the wrist 3 day time out is after a couple of verbal warnings, right?   As much as I'd like to have some sort of set formula for warn/ban/perma, it's going to be way too subjective, especially if we have a lot of differing ban length.

I'd like 3 day, week, month.  If you get three 1 month bans, then perma.

Alternate accounts automatically double the ban length.

The 3 day and 1 week bans are mandatory, first 1 month ban is eligible for "parole" if the person contacts staff.

Sexually explicit and illegal posts as described in the rules should be an automatic 3 days.  So we would have to agree on the difference between NSFW and sexually explicit/porn.



 

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Re: Warnings v2
#1523  February 14, 2013, 04:25:44 pm
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It's completely unacceptable for you to just ignore my posts like that. I don't like you anymore.

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Re: Warnings v2
#1524  February 14, 2013, 04:42:21 pm
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But I still like you and want to buy you dinner.  I just dont respond to what I see as bullying, badgering, aggressive, insulting language.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Now what about Cyanide's proposals?

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Re: Warnings v2
#1525  February 14, 2013, 04:54:11 pm
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My posts are none of those things and just no. Stop.

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Re: Warnings v2
#1526  February 14, 2013, 09:07:28 pm
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NSFW is either nude, or scantily clad. Anything that could be construed as sexual behaviour, either penetration or masturbation should be counted as porn. Ditto for the more horrible stuff like scat guro or vore.

This is SLIGHTLY discounted for joke character releases as naked crazy joe was well labeled and really really funny. I would not accept a character who was really just a slideshow of porn photos.


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They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.

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Re: Warnings v2
#1527  February 14, 2013, 09:47:21 pm
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Someone not making stuff for mugen doesnt mean they are "useless" or "worthless". Sepp, valodim,titiln,  even oz or person man are good examples of people that either gave up on mugen fast, or never "Made" stuff for mugen. That didnt made them any less of staff members whose opinions should be taken in consideration.
You can argue your points without attempting to belittle her, and I understand you are frustated with her vague answers. I was as well when replying yesterday.
Missb has at several times reminded us of things we sometimes dont take that much into consideration, people should
Talking to people with two bricks in each hand is as bad as not taking them seriously at all.

Missb
You cant possibly think you can say something as vague as "oh you people call that starting fights? I have another opinion!" and then refuse to talk about what you were talking about. it doesnt work like that.
All that vagueness coupled with the joking way you reacted to it can only make people overreact. As you seem to be saying "I disagree with you, but whatever." Both person man and me were miffled about it, and I think that we are rightly so. you cant be that vague . You are being frustating there.
 


I agree that more of a procedure should have been followed but you are caring more about the procedure than to actually clean up the board.  The end result was still arguing about what should be done after, yes he was banned for 13 months instead of the 3 days, you can blame that on me, I told goh to multiply the spam number per months. But we still reunited here to argue about it after.
Theres such a thing as too much formality.

I understand that you agree with the ban but were mad at the lack of procedure, but you were being way too vague about it, thats what was causing the disagreement. 

I really hate having to control arguments like these.

Cyanide.

As for bans i dont think we should have set times for reincidences. every case should be handled on its own, otherwise you have people that get banned for a week, come back, do the same, get banned for two weeks, come back, do the same, etc. if someone is that quick to reincide you should actually discuss the subject and see what can be done to fix it, or just drop the person straight up.

our old nsfw rules are fine, imo.
Last Edit: February 14, 2013, 09:53:07 pm by Iced

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Re: Warnings v2
#1528  February 14, 2013, 10:04:09 pm
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OK, why don't we wrap up this hjk thing? We've all basically agreed on a permaban, right? I mean, besides MissB ;P

So, uh, I guess I'll do it later tonight if nobody objects to it?

Cyanide said, February 14, 2013, 09:07:28 pm
NSFW is either nude, or scantily clad. Anything that could be construed as sexual behaviour, either penetration or masturbation should be counted as porn. Ditto for the more horrible stuff like scat guro or vore.

This is SLIGHTLY discounted for joke character releases as naked crazy joe was well labeled and really really funny.
That seems a little... arbitrary? :embarrassed2:

Why do we even need to change the NSFW rules? Mild nudity that is marked NSFW is fine. Hardcore stuff is not. I think an automatic ban, with no warning for anything but a shock image is going a bit too far. Warnings should be issued in almost every case except, I dunno, if someone is spamming the forum or something.

Iced said, February 14, 2013, 09:47:21 pm
As for bans i dont think we should have set times for reincidences. every case should be handled on its own, otherwise you have people that get banned for a week, come back, do the same, get banned for two weeks, come back, do the same, etc. if someone is that quick to reincide you should actually discuss the subject and see what can be done to fix it, or just drop the person straight up.
Every case should be handled on its own, yes, but I think it would help if we had a set of basic guidelines as to what a fair ban length would be. And then we could decide whether that guide should be changed or not depending on the specific circumstances.

Cyanide

Re: Warnings v2
#1529  February 14, 2013, 10:12:15 pm
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Someone asked what porn was. I was simply defining it. Not saying what the ban should be or even if the ban should be instant. Just that that's the difference between porn and simple nsfw stuff.

We're not a porn site, i will accept that the occasional spriter posts something naked or that there are really scanty pics, and i have no problem or issue with them being posted and labeled. But things like YOUR picture from before are porn and shouldn't be posted full stop. That's the difference.


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Re: Warnings v2
#1530  February 14, 2013, 10:15:47 pm
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If that Onion picture is porn, then so is Naked Crazy Joe. I don't see why it being "really really funny" would make it OK. That's all I'm saying.

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Re: Warnings v2
#1531  February 14, 2013, 10:19:39 pm
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that "onion pic" has someone being fisted, if you need someone to explain why a mspaint penis being labeled nwsf and having its image sspoilered is ok but a "funny pic of gods being fisted" is not something that should be under a spoiler ( you didnt put it under a spoiler either ) then I dont know what to tell you

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Re: Warnings v2
#1532  February 14, 2013, 10:23:21 pm
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Iced said, February 14, 2013, 10:19:39 pm
that "onion pic" has someone being fisted
And Naked Crazy Joe has unspoiled pictures of anal rape.

Iced said, February 14, 2013, 10:19:39 pm
( you didnt put it under a spoiler either )
Uh, yes, I did. It was spoiled and marked NSFW. There is of course a difference in scale, but NCJ still would fit the "hardcore" portion of the rules, IMO.

oh boy this argument is starting up again

Iced

Re: Warnings v2
#1533  February 14, 2013, 10:27:09 pm
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The character, not the thread.

There tons of "sexy ko" chars being announced all the time with small warnings of the content.
If someone knows what they are downloading , I Dont really care. The char isnt being pushed onto them like a pornographic picture would.

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Re: Warnings v2
#1534  February 14, 2013, 10:29:32 pm
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Iced said, February 14, 2013, 10:27:09 pm
The character, not the thread.
No, the thread has those pictures in the very first post, unspoiled. I think I should clarify, the fact that NCJ has those images unspoiled and that's OK is the issue I'm having.

Iced said, February 14, 2013, 10:27:09 pm
If someone knows what they are downloading , I Dont really care. The char isnt being pushed onto them like a pornographic picture would.
Wait, what? It's kind of the same thing, but one takes long to view.

and what's this about pushing

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Re: Warnings v2
#1535  February 14, 2013, 10:31:22 pm
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Link me then. I never saw a thread with those unspoiled.

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Re: Warnings v2
#1536  February 14, 2013, 10:33:56 pm
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Re: Warnings v2
#1537  February 14, 2013, 10:36:31 pm
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I just looked at the CNJ thread, I'm not sure my mom would be able to SEE that erect penis let alone know what was going on. But I know without a doubt she would have seen the Onion pic.  Yes, I judge what should be posted (even in a spoiler) by the mom test.

But we can probably debate if something is borderline when it comes up.

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Re: Warnings v2
#1538  February 14, 2013, 10:37:57 pm
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Re: Warnings v2
#1539  February 14, 2013, 10:51:54 pm
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NCJ was spoilered from day 1.


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Re: Warnings v2
#1540  February 15, 2013, 12:55:01 am
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Iced said, February 14, 2013, 09:47:21 pm
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Someone not making stuff for mugen doesnt mean they are "useless" or "worthless". Sepp, valodim,titiln,  even oz or person man are good examples of people that either gave up on mugen fast, or never "Made" stuff for mugen. That didnt made them any less of staff members whose opinions should be taken in consideration.
You can argue your points without attempting to belittle her, and I understand you are frustated with her vague answers. I was as well when replying yesterday.
Missb has at several times reminded us of things we sometimes dont take that much into consideration, people should
Talking to people with two bricks in each hand is as bad as not taking them seriously at all.
That's not the reason she's useless. She's useless because she doesn't do anything but cause arguments over stuff that doesn't need to be argued. -- and only regarding decisions the staff makes. She thinks she's some golden trophy that tells everyone how they should act -- and she acts clueless too much. It's ridiculous. I don't like it. Then she acts as if she's too good to reply - acts all coy as if she doesn't need to reply to us, even though we're all on the same team and doing the same thing. And if anyone dares to call her out, they're immature or insulting, even though they aren't.

I wasn't belittling her, I was calling her out on how she makes ridiculous claims about how we're becoming horrible and how she needs to question and nag everything and everyone because we're coming horrible and she's the one person who can do this and make everything right -- by nagging and challenging everything. It reminds me of certain individuals who are trying to save the Mugen community by making insulting videos about people in the community. It's been her running gimmick since forever now and it's annoying and obnoxious.

Staff bans user for being really bad for more than 5 months straight (in this case, 5 years)
MBH complains about unfairness and makes the same argument about something involving a constitution
MBH gets replied to
MBH acts coy and doesn't answer questions directly
Nothing changes and all she has accomplished is making us debate and discuss something that didn't need to be debated in the first place.
Wash, rinse, repeat
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