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Title: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 24, 2012, 09:43:26 pm
This has always been a possibility, but I gave it some thought and I think its better to officialize.

(http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj72/myem0/001/penguin/penguin-emoticon-077.gif)

If you want to answer to something in warnings, in the staff section or the like .Post it here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 05, 2012, 06:47:28 pm
So you guys are discussing [E] right now.

He's been a bit of a douchebag lately (well more douchebaggy then usual), I think he needs a time-out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 05, 2012, 08:33:27 pm
I'd also like to point that this post (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=118940.msg1529204#msg1529204) should be looked at as well.


Not to mention the fact that when I sent a PM to [E] asking how Diepod was being rude and asking what the fuck his problem was, his response was basically him telling me to fuck off.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs Sese Seko Nkuku Ngben... on March 05, 2012, 08:40:32 pm
"You got mad at me, I'm not talking to you again"

Do you honestly think we should step in that discussion? C'mon guys, let it slide.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 05, 2012, 08:41:24 pm
"You got mad at me, I'm not talking to you again"

Do you honestly think we should step in that discussion? C'mon guys, let it slide.
But nobody besides [E] reacted like that. :|

and he's the only person who seemed to be making this a big deal, Diepod seemed like he just wanted to drop it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs Sese Seko Nkuku Ngben... on March 05, 2012, 08:53:21 pm
If all Diepod was making it much more of a deal just one page before that, and even then it wasn't anywhere near mod action 'worthy'.

Nothing worth nothing from the staff's perspective there, imo.

About E's earlier post:

I was gone most of february. Did he do anything wrong then?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 05, 2012, 08:59:21 pm
Diepod wasn't making a big deal out of it and his explanation on the first post of the last page explains why.

And yet [E] comes in and just says he's being rude, playing like somehow HE's the victim. Like, seriously, dude? It's Diepod's thread, he doesn't want it cluttered.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 05, 2012, 09:03:27 pm
Nothing worth nothing from the staff's perspective there, imo.
It's not really just that thread, it's a combination of stuff; [E] likes pissing people off, getting a reaction of them in order to troll them. His typos, the pedo jokes, the pokes he made to Maverik, it goes beyond normal joking behavior into something worse.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Luis Alejandro on March 05, 2012, 09:13:36 pm
You guys are overreacting
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on March 05, 2012, 09:14:59 pm
^^ not that my opinion might count anything

but yes [E] can be very annoying sometimes and with that i mean more annoying than myself, except when it comes to ranting about nintendo and dlc of course..but at least i am not attacking people today with something they wrote months ago.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs Sese Seko Nkuku Ngben... on March 05, 2012, 09:28:08 pm
And that's why I asked if he had done anything remarkably bad in the last weeks, besides your passive-aggressive exchange with him (which kinda was your fault as much as his).

After checking his latest post:

His typos,

What the fuck. Since when is being careless while typing a punishable offense?

the pedo jokes

recent quotes please, can't find any on his last 40 or so posts.

the pokes he made to Maverik,

You mean recently or one month ago?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 05, 2012, 09:48:04 pm
The pokes were almost a month ago, and I too think they were a bad sign.

Ive talked to him a few times to stop doing the pedo shit and teh typos on purpose. its a recurrent thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on March 05, 2012, 10:01:06 pm
People taking [E] seriously? Why is this happening now?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on March 05, 2012, 10:16:47 pm
Is the "teh" thing really worth noting or bringing up to begin with?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 05, 2012, 10:17:25 pm
"Its just [E]" isnt really an acceptable excuse for behaviour.

I dont expect anyone to treat him with Kid's gloves, the same way I wont expect it if jz is having a bad behaviour related to his personal problems.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on March 05, 2012, 10:18:43 pm
Not just [E]. Anyone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 05, 2012, 10:18:58 pm
What the fuck. Since when is being careless while typing a punishable offense?
Phrased it wrong; it's fine to make typos, I was just saying that he makes those typos on purpose for no reason other than to annoy people.

recent quotes please, can't find any on his last 40 or so posts.
Why does it matter if he's done it in the last month? What matters is that he has done it and will probably continue to do so.

You mean recently or one month ago?
About a month ago.

People taking [E] seriously? Why is this happening now?
How is "oh it's just [E]" an excuse? Why does he get special treatment?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 05, 2012, 10:55:18 pm
LEAVE [E] ALONE!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on March 06, 2012, 12:16:51 am
I do agree that giving him a warning to calm down should work, I have to say he's been a little aggresive in some posts (examples the ones posted in the Warnings thread). Still, he hasn't done anything ban worthy, only warn worthy. If he starts ignoring mods or admins telling him to calm down, then perhaps a time-out would work.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 06, 2012, 12:19:07 am
I do agree that giving him a warning to calm down should work, I have to say he's been a little aggresive in some posts. Still, he still hasn't done anything ban worthy, only warn worthy. If he starts ignoring mods or admins telling him to calm down, then perhaps a time-out would work.
Oh, I didn't really mean time out as in ban, I meant it as warning; I don't think a ban is warranted. I shouldn't have said time out, cause it does sound like a ban instead of a warning but I thought it was funny. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on March 06, 2012, 12:20:42 am
Oh, I see. I thought you meant that, as time-out is usually referred to ban someone for a small period of time when it's used here.

But really, the best solution for [E]'s case is not to take him seriously and ignore any attempt of trolling he does if it's really offensive.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on March 06, 2012, 12:43:43 am
How is "oh it's just [E]" an excuse? Why does he get special treatment?
I know [E] long time ago, since the beginning of Mugen Hispania (also he was one of the first people I meet in Guild), and always make that kind of jokes (especially pedo jokes) and sarcastic comments, that's why didn't surprise me. Maybe the problem is there're more sensitive people lately... or he really is getting out of hand with jokes, the reason this thread was created, huh?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 06, 2012, 01:02:42 am
He has always been like that, the problem is it was previously split between sensible and stupid quite reasonably. Now there are almost no sensible and it's all shitposting.

I actually respect E a lot and seeing him act like this is pretty shitty.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 06, 2012, 01:40:39 am
How is "oh it's just [E]" an excuse? Why does he get special treatment?
Because it's always been mere humor ? Often on the limit of tastelessness, but as long as you're not being oversensitive, it's still humor, and the most you can say about him is that it's bad humor but that's it. It never even changed, it was possible to ignore it back then, it's still possible to shrug it off today. If you take offense at it, it's really just you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on March 06, 2012, 01:44:30 am
People taking [E] seriously? Why is this happening now?
How is "oh it's just [E]" an excuse? Why does he get special treatment?

Why do MOST of you guys get special treatment as well then? There are several guys who were, are and will still be assholes in the entire forum all the time yet I see people complaining about [E] because he had something that's not even close to an argument with Diepod. So what if other people got offended by it?

Diepod took it like a man and did what most of the people were supposed to, to just let it slide. Yes it really looked like Diepod was being serious and all that but I know (From previous events) that it's just the way he writes, he's not mad or anything at all. It's like that time when you guys were discussing the way Orochi Gill posts and why people may feel offended by it.

Honestly I don't feel like he's getting THAT dense to warrant all this conversation. Some people around here are far more annoying, aggressive, insult far more, are more direct, don't do funny jokes, are way too serious, have huge egos, etc. All of this exploded just because he posted at Diepod's thread or what?

I'll like to see the list of people who complained about his posting, I bet you'll have your answer right there :P

Heck, truth be told, I have a far easier time chatting with him at the TM channel than with most of the guys over there, I don't see how he's considered that disruptive considering the kind of stuff I see here every week (And wont mention names to not to trigger another 2 days long thread with hundreds of arguments in vain).

That's pretty much what can I say about this, I'm no one around here nor I care and I definitely don't expect to change anything but some people seem to take this more seriously than it should and it's damn stupid. Not like we are in IMT or anything right?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 06, 2012, 02:45:39 am
He has always been like that, the problem is it was previously split between sensible and stupid quite reasonably. Now there are almost no sensible and it's all shitposting.

I actually respect E a lot and seeing him act like this is pretty shitty.
That's the thing, I can (and do) respect him otherwise, but he's just doing it too much lately and crossing lines.


I don't want another enemy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 06, 2012, 03:47:25 am
If you take offense at it, it's really just you.
I don't take any offense to it, I don't even dislike [E], I think he's pretty cool most of the time. I just think he needs to cut out the stupid jokes and the deliberate provoking of people; it makes him seem like an idiot.

Why do MOST of you guys get special treatment as well then?
What are you talking about?

There are several guys who were, are and will still be assholes in the entire forum all the time
If you see someone acting like a huge asshole then just report it? Don't see the problem here.

I see people complaining about [E] because he had something that's not even close to an argument with Diepod. So what if other people got offended by it?
I posted in this thread because Titiln posted about it in the Warnings thread; he felt like as of late, [E]'s posts were getting more and more inflamatory. It's not just a couple of posts in Diepod's thread, it's all the previously mentioned stuff.

We're talking about someone who just months ago had the word nigger in like half of his posts, does he get a free pass on that because he's been doing it for 10 years? If a brand new user did the same, everyone would be against it, but because he's been in the community for so long it's OK? That's not what we should aspire to, we need to have a community that welcomes people and not be one that drives people away because they might get offended by one of [E]'s posts and not know he's kidding because there is no reason to assume he is unless you already knew him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 06, 2012, 03:53:23 am
Why do MOST of you guys get special treatment as well then?
What are you talking about?
He quoted you and is talking about assholes so he might be subtly telling you off.

Then again, I do tend to read every Rednavi post like it's a hateful slur against everyone he responds to, so iunno.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on March 06, 2012, 05:58:29 am
Quote
Then again, I do tend to read every Rednavi post like it's a hateful slur against everyone he responds to, so iunno.

ahaha! I never knew you had such impression lol! Now that you say that, it does sound like that XD
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on March 06, 2012, 06:06:38 am
It's the Strangelove avatar
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on March 06, 2012, 08:56:40 am
jmorphman you've been acting real uptight and high-and-mighty lately

cut it out and calm down
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 06, 2012, 09:45:53 am
Maybe he needs a timeout ::)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 06, 2012, 10:53:15 am
Maybe we're all living inside the Matrix except Jmorphman.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 06, 2012, 07:06:27 pm
jmorphman you've been acting real uptight and high-and-mighty lately

cut it out and calm down
That's weird; no one accused me of acting uptight and high-and-mighty before I left Trinity.

Who knows what's changed???
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on March 06, 2012, 07:28:11 pm
that is one hell of a strawman you've got there bro

like i said, you need to calm down and stop taking things so seriously.


btw valodim made the same observation quite a while ago http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=139179.msg1525523#msg1525523 (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=139179.msg1525523#msg1525523)

valodim secret trinitymugen gangbanger confirmed
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 06, 2012, 07:48:35 pm
Valodim and I hugged it out. If you want to hug it out too then I'm game. :)

Also I don't think I'm being uptight, I just posted in this thread with my reaction to [E]'s posting style. If that somehow makes me uptight then so be it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 06, 2012, 07:54:06 pm
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT wait a second...

You're hugging people...

OTHER THAN ME?!

FORGET YOUUUUUUUUUUU.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 06, 2012, 07:54:58 pm
You never put out. >:[
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 06, 2012, 07:57:40 pm
What's the magic word.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 06, 2012, 07:59:32 pm
Show me your penis???
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 06, 2012, 08:01:36 pm
I'm not a goddamn museum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 06, 2012, 08:11:18 pm
Portuguese museums must be really weird if "show me your penis" makes you think of them. D:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lucina on March 06, 2012, 08:13:23 pm
He was my "Gay Nigga" at one point.  :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 06, 2012, 08:13:43 pm
Yes we are weird. But that's beside the point.

We can continue this conversation on MSN. ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 06, 2012, 08:15:42 pm
We can continue this conversation on MSN. ;)
But how would we see it then ?
Oh wait... Nevermind, we still can.
Pay no attention to the man behind the computer.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 06, 2012, 08:23:28 pm
hi don't use this thread to be wacky
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on March 06, 2012, 09:58:35 pm
I don't see what's the big deal. [e] is the way he is all the time, the only thing that changed is that Shiny Golden Diepod got mad at him, which in turn he denied, saying it was cool.

If we were to complain everytime someone posts disruptively, I'd complain three times as much as I already do. Don't be stupid bitches, he's just being silly for the most part. He isn't attacking or outright and blatantly offending anyone as much as Byakko, or Dio, or Titiln, or Rajaa, or DA_MAV, or even Iced, and none of the aforementioned has been banned, so neither should E.

How about you guys take a time out from reading his posts. There's always the ignore function, which I learned thanks to [E] himself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 06, 2012, 10:27:05 pm
far as i am concerned, E was overdoing it way back into http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=136623.0

But at that time , jz thought it was awesome.
I dont think jmorphman concern is unjustified, and no, no one is discussing banning E, he was warned back then and asked to cut out his "trolling", which he pulls often on people he considers dumb.

Far as I can tell he has reduced it a lot, but im not always around.

Walt:
@Titiln.

Like if we can propose people we wanna take down because they're gimmicky , I guess I would propose Mao whose gimmick is "never having a pronounceable display name", or Tsukasa because of her mecha-fetish, or Navets because he can't draw women with clothes and all his threads are NSFW, or Mulambo because of his dickery and irritating pot addiction and promotion, or [e] for saying the most inappropriate and racist things on purpose and with horrible grammar, or Caddie being narcissistic and drawing in Paint like a 5 year old, or even yourself for your too cool for school attitude. And the list could go on ... But in a sense we're all different, and in here we're all like characters in each other's life sitcom, and I like Big Sally's character, always hungrily craving for the cock, it makes me giggle.

Keep Big Sally, let's see what this "Straight" plot twist can bring in episodes to come.

The previous quote is why you have no legs to stand on when talking about offensive stuff. You thought big gay sally was a funny thing. When anyone from outside would be offended.

Diepod didnt seem that phased, nor do I think that would justify this alone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on March 06, 2012, 11:32:12 pm
I agree with [E] in that thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 06, 2012, 11:37:12 pm
thats cool and all since talking with E back then he agreed he was wrong and deleted the thread himself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on March 06, 2012, 11:47:52 pm
While you can have the last word all you want, I still believe he's pretty harmless.

Also, while someone could argue that the incident with Diepod was the straw that broke the camel's back, I fell it was exactly because he messed with almighty spriting god Diepod that he got so much shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 06, 2012, 11:52:11 pm
What is this almighty spriting god bullshit about?

And [E] wasn't the only person prodding Diepod.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 07, 2012, 12:23:47 am
It's pretty obvious what this is about. We have banned

Tetsuo9999
Anjel
BigSally
Peterfoster
Other  people whose names elude me

For similar things to what E has been doing, and they've done it for less time. Yeah sure, we know this is how E is, but if we ban other people for it why is it acceptable for him to do it? We all know he's intelligent and can post sensibly (and does so) but why should he get to post things that would get other users banned?

I don't want to see him banned. But i would like him to cut down on the shitposting. I do have to read them, i'm a mod, if it goes over the line it needs to be dealt with. I can't simply ignore them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on March 07, 2012, 12:28:10 am
It's pretty obvious what this is about. We have banned

Anjel
:shocked:

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on March 07, 2012, 12:50:35 am
Peterfoster was not a good example IMO. At least I'm glad he's gone since everytime he posted in Gaming he was just shitposting.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 07, 2012, 01:05:55 am
They're people who have done the same thing is my point. Fine, they make you rage, E has made people rage. Shitposting is the underlying thing here, not whether you personally hated that person.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2012, 01:17:00 am
We have determined there was an issue with E posting, he was warned, some people are complaining now, this is more about if he is still only provoking people or not.

he was shit posting and that is defenceless
the point arguing is if he is still doing it
walt being amused over his racist posts is completely irrelevant to the argument.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 07, 2012, 01:17:06 am
Anjel was banned sometime? o_O
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on March 07, 2012, 01:37:34 am
walt being amused over his racist posts is completely irrelevant to the argument.
No, actually the nigger things I find annoying, but then again he's not serious so I don't think he shouldn't be banned for being racist.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on March 07, 2012, 01:46:50 am
* in before Iced search for a post where I laugh about a racist joke

Edit: Did your homework for ya, 33 nigga and 11 niggers in my post history.
44/17701   ... 0.2%
take your pick.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on March 07, 2012, 01:48:35 am
Kinda funny how equality is mentioned when it will never happen anywhere. Get your facts straight people, members get banned for a different amount of things and just because both people did the same amount of shitposting doesn't mean both should get the same punishment.

We treat people in a different way depending of how much we know about them and that's why they get different consequences of their acts when it comes to banning or warnings. You may think it sets a precedence or sounds unfair but lots of unfair things already happened so whatever.

All the people walt mentioned were more disruptive than [E] in the last months, heck even I am more disruptive than him :P. We can't possibly have in mind every single user type around here when it comes to this things. I didn't know [E] was that silly when I registered yet I wasn't informed or anything, you just LEARN about this kind of things eventually, let the new users do the same.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 07, 2012, 02:54:57 am
we should ban users that make threads to mock christians
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2012, 03:00:50 am
im glad to see that everyone is more worried about their friends being chastized than to inform me if E behaviour lately has improved.

Specially when again, no one spoke about banning E.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 07, 2012, 03:03:31 am
who the fuck is E?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 07, 2012, 03:05:01 am
clever
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on March 07, 2012, 03:05:27 am
YES
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 07, 2012, 03:07:26 am
hi don't use this thread to be wacky
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on March 07, 2012, 04:30:45 am
I'd also like to point that this post (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=118940.msg1529204#msg1529204) should be looked at as well.


Not to mention the fact that when I sent a PM to [E] asking how Diepod was being rude and asking what the fuck his problem was, his response was basically him telling me to fuck off.
Spare me. You and I both know that Diepod can't take a joke. Its become such common knowledge that even Walt pointed it out in the thread.

I don't know if anyone has noticed it, but Diepod has always been a hard ass, even from just users giving positive criticism and feedback. The only reason most people haven't addressed it is because we know that his type is the one to up and leave a forum just because the userbase "is telling me what to do."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on March 07, 2012, 04:49:27 am
Not to mention it would be a positively great loss. Nobody would benefit from that at all.

If any, when people see creativity around, it inspires them to make things themselves. He's part of the virtuous creative circle that has got things going well around here these days.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 07, 2012, 04:52:58 am
I'd also like to point that this post (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=118940.msg1529204#msg1529204) should be looked at as well.


Not to mention the fact that when I sent a PM to [E] asking how Diepod was being rude and asking what the fuck his problem was, his response was basically him telling me to fuck off.
Spare me. You and I both know that Diepod can't take a joke. Its become such common knowledge that even Walt pointed it out in the thread.

I don't know if anyone has noticed it, but Diepod has always been a hard ass, even from just users giving positive criticism and feedback. The only reason most people haven't addressed it is because we know that his type is the one to up and leave a forum just because the userbase "is telling me what to do."
You don't know him. At all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on March 07, 2012, 04:56:33 am
^Im a fan of his work. Im not a fan of his attitude.
Not to mention it would be a positively great loss. Nobody would benefit from that at all.

If any, when people see creativity around, it inspires them to make things themselves. He's part of the virtuous creative circle that has got things going well around here these days.
Which is why I think people are hesitant to address the problem. Die, Sean, and Balth have brought a lot to this community and I think we would lose visitors and interest if we were to see them leave over some 'drama'.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 07, 2012, 04:57:09 am
He's just blunt. Nothing wrong with that.


At any rate he doesn't flip his shit and start dropping f-bombs on something he perceives as a negative comment despite being legit criticism.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on March 07, 2012, 04:59:38 am
For the record, unless anybody has anything else to say, I think this thread has run its course.

People bitching about people to other people, and discussing people if they were topics to be discussed over coffee is unnecessary at this point. I know for a fact that [E] has read this thread and is already acting on it, so if nobody is getting banned, we could leave this be for now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on March 07, 2012, 05:22:04 am
it was supposed to be a place to discuss points made in the staff thread

i'm guessing iced didn't originally anticipate people focusing so heavily on single issues as such
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2012, 05:34:07 am
when the question was "has E improved since the last talk" and it goes on tangents about how he shouldnt be banned because this or that? yeah, i didnt anticipate it.People are treating it as if someone made a thread just to bitch about E.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on March 07, 2012, 05:47:47 am
You offered your opinion on banning E, I offered mine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 07, 2012, 05:49:10 am
NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT BANNING [E]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on March 07, 2012, 06:09:38 am
WELL THAY SHOUDL!wait
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on March 07, 2012, 06:47:01 am
you should (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NJAG4Lgk48#t=00m25s)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on March 07, 2012, 07:39:18 am
Valodim and I hugged it out. If you want to hug it out too then I'm game. :)

you should know i was only saying what i said as a concerned friend to prevent you from becoming a MONSTER

*hug*
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 07, 2012, 07:40:45 am
*stabs KOD in the back*

I WAS A MONSTER ALL ALONG

(sorry titiln for turning this into wacky funtimes)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 12, 2012, 03:47:47 pm
ok, I normally don't do this because it sounds like just making excuses, but there have been several misunderstanding lately, both from me and from some members of the staff so I feel likie clarifying some things, when I feel like going tl;dr i will just put the extra stuff between the spoilers.

I was checking the warnings posts and noticed that http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=112184.msg1534077#msg1534077 thought I was going to quit mugen/the forums which is wrong ( and Iced reinforced that , which again is wrong, I think it's not on purpose but is part of the misunderstandings too), I am going to keep visiting and I am going to keep working on my game, just yesterday I spent a few hours working on my game actually.

Lately, I have been on a short fuse the reasons are there, if you don't care why or don't want to break the flow just skip the spoiler.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

so, i decided to take a break from posting, hence the change to "vacations" in my nickname (no, it was not gone or quit) and the reason why I decided to stop posting/diminish it for a bi, since using that nick name I  only posted twice, one was in vans' prewip topic and the other was in the random topic.

In the vans topic I added the "I might sound like an asshole part" because the post was not so much as to give vans a new wip but to talk about a wip vans, me and another creator share so we could decide who was gonna finish/make it and i continued that post privately via messenger.

In the random topic it was a psot about driving there I just posted on how corruption is what runs on my city (if not country), and here is where the misunderstanding comes. valodim posted something about flags mods, he was talking about country flags as I learned later, but as I, again have been on a shortfuse and he posted right after me I understood it as a "flag users posts as negative" mod since those are used in a few other forums I frequent, so i tought valodim joined the "hate E" bandwagon hence why I started deleting my posts, later I learned that valodim was talking about something different so I think I will try asking about restoring the postts, if not possible I can always repost, sicne i had already saved the posts that were of interest to me in that subforum anyway.

Reading the previous discussion in this topic, yeah, lately I have not been enjoying the forums as much as I used to before, and for some reason poking the ocasional user has always been mildly amusing and I  admit i have been doing so too often lately ( which might explain why some peopel reacted like they did to the diepod incident and made it a bigger deal than me and diepod did) and as walt said I plan to cut down on/ avoid poking other users and try to enjoy the forums like I used to do before, probably posting a bit more on the development parts of the forum and use a similar posting style to the one I use in as.

some extra info about the incidents on me mentioned (probably only useful to zilla, the  people involved and some mods)
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

tl;dr version of the whole post
I am not quitting mugen or the forums, I just took a one week break to think on how I can go back to enjoy posting without pissing off other people, I am not making excuses as I acted like an asshole to some guys and I will try to avoid that in the future.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on March 12, 2012, 04:09:24 pm
That's bad, I know what it feels (especially about family stuff and "sensitive" people on forums), I hope you can recovery of all of that soon and all this misunderstanding can be solved, too, so you can get back with your projects and stuff.

You get my total support, [E] ;) if you want, we can talk via messenger (I've to reuse that)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: LM_MAVERIK on March 12, 2012, 04:20:07 pm
speaking for myself only.....I personally didnt need an explanation about your close encounters with me since i honestly had no problem with you "poking or insulting me" or anyone else who may have been, because the truth be told; it gave me a excuse to tear into someone in a heated debated for the sake of a good laugh. Up until recently I have actually been searching for fights and was willing to instigate it with snide comments.... which is a problem i need to fix about myself both here and in reality. I was a massive dick too.

as for the agreeing with what I say and not wanting to support my stance. again that is cool there were many who supported my view but few who supprted my approach. I could have named dropped them into the arguments but I chose to leave them out.  I'm not really the kind of guy that wants support unless its wip feedback. I've never really been that type of guy

thats my view on the whole heel maverik vs [E] vs the world saga.


Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 12, 2012, 04:51:47 pm
speaking for myself only.....I personally didnt need an explanation about your close encounters with me since i honestly had no problem with you "poking or insulting me" or anyone else who may have been, because the truth be told; it gave me a excuse to tear into someone in a heated debated for the sake of a good laugh. Up until recently I have actually been searching for fights and was willing to instigate it with snide comments.... which is a problem i need to fix about myself both here and in reality. I was a massive dick too.

as for the agreeing with what I say and not wanting to support my stance. again that is cool there were many who supported my view but few who supprted my approach. I could have named dropped them into the arguments but I chose to leave them out.  I'm not really the kind of guy that wants support unless its wip feedback. I've never really been that type of guy

thats my view on the whole heel maverik vs [E] vs the world saga.

yeah, don't worry about it maverik I also am not a person who keeps grudges, I have gotten into huger fights in the past and have don't have any bad feelings remaining form them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 12, 2012, 05:07:10 pm
Sad to hear about your personal life problems, I google translated your nick to see what it meant and it gave me "gone" so I thought that was what you were going for.

Do you want your posts undeleted ? Thats easy to do and will probably only take me( or someone else)  a while.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 12, 2012, 05:54:26 pm
yeah, thanks;  already asked valodim via pm, too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 12, 2012, 05:59:22 pm
I dont think i missed anything, but check it out and tell me later on.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 12, 2012, 06:11:10 pm
i am glad you didn't leave us e!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 12, 2012, 07:01:47 pm
Sorry to hear about your difficulties; I hope things get better real soon! :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 12, 2012, 07:02:22 pm
I have to admit, that was very mature of you, [E], and I gained a lot of respect back.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 12, 2012, 07:03:37 pm
Same. I'm sorry for some of the things I said; that weekend was rough for me altogether, and I can see why you'd be quick to react as well after gaining some insight.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 12, 2012, 07:28:51 pm
It happens to the best of us [E]

I am glad you are going to stick around and hope things can balance out a bit for you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 13, 2012, 03:43:46 pm
thanks for the words of support y'all.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 13, 2012, 04:32:36 pm
Nice to see you back.

I would give you my sister's number but she is a little old for yuo.

Welcome back man.  ;D
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on March 13, 2012, 04:41:33 pm
Do you even know what's going on? I don't think you know what's going on.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 13, 2012, 04:49:35 pm
Nope! I mean there isn't threads one could read and shit. No I got word on chat because you know how us girls love to gossip. Not that I really know no... But it is easy to know because it is the same thing that always happens.

First a known user does something someone doesn't like. Second his friends chime in and there is a debate. Then someone gets a wild hair up their ass and decides that it is time to make an example. Said user was being a jerk but no more than usual so other jump in and sides of debate switch up support back in forth for awhile. Someone quits or leaves for awhile and then comes back then everything is right in the world. The usual chain of events.

Then the person who was accused of being an ass goes back to doing what they always did before but at first is nicer but in a few months they return to their usual self and then maybe we start all over.

Meanwhile, less liked people pull the same shit and they get the hammer.

In this case though, you guys were barking up the wrong tree. [E] is harmless usually and I would have jumped in but there were plenty of others that made that point and did a good job.

That and I couldn't resist misspelling and making a pedo joke at the end
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 13, 2012, 04:51:32 pm
Nice to see you're not leaving [E].
Good luck with all your IRL stuff. It's tough, but hopefully all will get fine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 13, 2012, 04:53:59 pm
Let's debate about Shamrock then make him an example! ;P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 13, 2012, 04:56:06 pm
You need to go back in time man lol, been done to death already lol.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on March 13, 2012, 06:31:53 pm
Doesn't hurt to do it some more.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 14, 2012, 10:50:13 am
You need to go back in time man lol, been done to death already lol.
Yeah Shamrocking isn't fun anymore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 23, 2012, 07:03:41 am
I don't agree with Maverik being permabanned. Even though he had an annoying holier than thou attitude, he was actually tolerable when people weren't trying to get a reaction out of him or trying to make him react more during a battle (I'm looking at people like Rednavi right now). Would a shorter, say 2 week to one month ban be a little better? Sure. He does need time to calm down a bit. However, since a lot of this came from antagonization from others (or worsening in some cases), I feel that a permaban is more than what needs to be done here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on March 23, 2012, 07:09:55 am
Come on man, you and I are friends but Maverik no longer had any respect for anyone in this community, from the leechers to the palette makers to the spriters and coders all the way to the mods and administrators. He was given a chance by Iced to stop acting that way after a 10-day ban, he said he would stop and then after a little bit he went right back to it. He was given plenty of chances. Maybe I'm somewhat biased, although I think I was doing a pretty good job of ignoring him. Frankly, I hope it sticks so that I won't have to anymore, and because he's not going to change. He shit all over every hard-working person on this site and in this community as a whole.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 23, 2012, 07:13:24 am
From what I've read he's temporarily quitting for an indefinite amount of time until things "die down". I know of all of the chances he got. I know about what led up to this. However it could have been a 3 month or so ban before it was actually permanent. I hate to bring this example up, but look at the volzzilla thing. He never received a permaban when he and I were feuding, but in the end it all turned out OK and we set aside our issues. Am I expecting the same thing to happen here? No. However, I feel I'm quite opinionated on this subject and I think that something could change down the line, but not with how things are going right now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on March 23, 2012, 07:20:49 am
No one antagonized him. He blew things out of proportion because he couldn't accept that his Sub Zero has a snake body and some crab legs.

He's twisted legitimate feedback countless times and he's an overall problematic person with a lot of ego problems. He's presented insults that children don't even use nowadays. He's conducted himself with childish motives and behaviors by making it his objective to cause problems in other people's threads who he thought were against him.

What did Seanaltly and CVSBN do to him? Nothing at all.

You think that all of sudden, after about a month or so, everyone decided it was pick on Maverik Day? I don't think so, he decided it was be an asshole day and he got the inevitable response from people.

He said he didn't respect anyone on this site and that he didn't care about what anyone says, yet he still posted his work on this site where people of this site post. How much sense does that make? He thought that because he didn't care about this place that he could be a jerk to the people here, which is flawed logic. If you don't like a place of which you don't have to be, then the most rational thing to do is leave. He stayed. So now he's been forcibly kicked out.

There's really no debating this. He's not going to change. He said he would not do this anymore and he gave his word. What good is a person without their word? He's a lying troublemaker with a ridiculous amount of mental and ego problems. Again, there is no debating his banishment.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sima Shi on March 23, 2012, 07:27:09 am
why Perma banned Maverik?! Man that aint fair at all...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on March 23, 2012, 07:29:08 am
Yes, it is fair.

Look how good my argument is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on March 23, 2012, 08:07:26 am
keep him banned

christ it's like some of you have a hard-on for that retard
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 09:17:37 am
Too bad Maverik went ape shit again. :( I had seen improvement over the past few weeks, and he had responded positively and in a civil manner to critics and feedback to his work... Oh well.

At least there's improvement, he went from :
Quote
me and bleed have different styles But I could easily emulate that style too.
to :
bleed is fucking awesome.......he is like a super saiyan compared to me. no problem their. bleed is better then me period

Maybe in a few years he'll be able to acknowledge that Balthazar, Diepod, Chamat, Steamboy, Rolento, Rikard, Silencer, walt and many others are better than him.

But hey, guess we'll never know since he's permabanned lolol.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on March 23, 2012, 09:22:04 am
It's because those people apparently believe there was "some good left in him" or whatever dramatic movie/anime stuff they were going on about when it happened the last time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 09:25:30 am
He's like the Vegeta of MugenGuild. He wants to show he's strong and badass, that he's the Prince of Mugen, but he always ends up getting his ass kicked by Carot and all the vilains. But Carot and the others know there's good in him, somewhere.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 23, 2012, 11:10:58 am
Damn.

I was hoping to ban Maverick and get the action sequence with gun blasts and explosions that I always wanted. :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on March 23, 2012, 11:15:46 am
Yes, it is fair.

Look how good my argument is.

Whoa. I had no idea this was going on as I usually follow only a few threads. Seincat makes some very valid points, and I agree.

He's like the Vegeta of MugenGuild. He wants to show he's strong and badass, that he's the Prince of Mugen, but he always ends up getting his ass kicked by Carot and all the vilains. But Carot and the others know there's good in him, somewhere.

And this is what happens to people who work on one particular character for too long.  ;P

And somewhat related yet pertaining to a different person, Super Dragon Blade is downright annoying. I had to lay down some wordage due to him spiraling out of rambling control. Check out his "Which Soul Calibur characters do you want to be made for Mugen" poll. The dude/kid is an idiot.


Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 23, 2012, 12:05:46 pm
OG: There is a massive difference between respecting people and being civil to them. You do not have to respect someone to be civil. There are tons of people in this community i don't respect, but i won't be a COCK to them either.

Maverik was free to not respect anyone as much as he liked. But he decided "I do not respect you" was the same as "Fuck you assholes" and it's not. And this is where a good batch of the problem lay. If he wants to hate peoples work, fine. If he wants to believe he's better than everyone else, he's entitled to do so. What he's not entitled to do is wander round the forum espousing this fact in other peoples threads while stating he doesn't care about anyone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 23, 2012, 12:29:04 pm
Well in short, I agree with Rajaa. I agree with a permaban. Especially if this was not the first time that his arrogance, easily-bruised ego, and lack of respect for the community got the better of him.

Out of curiosity, did he even made a SINGLE character and release it to the community? Because I do not recall him doing that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 23, 2012, 12:32:49 pm
He did. And when people voted for his character in COTM, another sad episode ensued.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 23, 2012, 12:37:27 pm
Interesting, where is his character?

On another note, releasing a few characters does not mean that you are better than everyone. Heck, I still think people like POTS, SeanAlty, and others still do more for the community.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 12:40:16 pm
His character was seized by the FBI.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 01:55:43 pm
I already relieved the contents of my bowels on you. Now i'd just be beating on a paralytic in a wheel chair if this continue.

you are currently experiencing a condition called anus inflamatus. sometimes referred to as "arse hurt" feels like you got a knife up your shitter titlin dont it lol... dont worry its a common virus that normally follows after trying to fuck around with maverik


no titlin i said you had contracted queerus faggotus its a condition that anyone can get. if they kiss arse too to a member of the same sex.... much like you are doing with cvsb and sean


at least I "seem like an idiot" you are a fucking idiot. I have diagnosed you with a condition called imbecilus Retardus. My left testicle has a bigger brain then you.

If I cared WOULD I SAY THE THINGS I DO?. and truth be told what I say isnt a lie either its true.


i can literally pick someones work at random to compare with mine and the results would be laughable. honestly this too easy for me. I dont even want to do this right now.

hose are as good as your getting. not happy? then go back to something far worse then what I produce should I provide examples again? I could literally pick one at random.


and still they looks better  then anything created by the best part of this community..........


------

Person man and Jmorphman werent hazing him, neither was gbk. Any reaction he had to criticism tended to escalate until he was pulling off comparisons with others and claiming he shat on them.  I dont think how some of you think this is a reasonable professional behaviour. Anyone acting like that in a studio would have had that person sacked.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 02:24:16 pm
While you're at it, don't forget to make it so he can't modify his profile nor delete or modify any of his posts, in case he still has the ability to do that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 23, 2012, 02:36:40 pm
His character was seized by the FBI.

Wait, character and not characters.

He only released only one character here and he thought that he contributed more to the Guild then anyone?

That is really sad.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sima Shi on March 23, 2012, 02:47:03 pm
^

and some few of the stages he released idk he release a stage more than 1 or 2
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 02:48:24 pm
whatever he released. doesnt justify at all his behaviour. Even if he was the best of the best that kind of attitude would be shitty.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 23, 2012, 02:55:00 pm
whatever he released. doesnt justify at all his behaviour. Even if he was the best of the best that kind of attitude would be shitty.

That is a given.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on March 23, 2012, 03:09:37 pm
The worst part was how you could switch "then" with "than" in his posts and round-robin "they're" "there" and "their", and that would yield at least a 20% increase in grammar correctness :_blank::goi:

and no, I don't have anything of value to say on the subject.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 03:38:11 pm
Even if he was the best of the best that kind of attitude would be shitty.
Which is clearly not the case anyway. Sort these out by quality lol :

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y190/montyoum/Miku.png)(http://i.imgur.com/JPC5H.gif)
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd155/GM123456/Scorp_final.gif)(http://ahrimanes.mgbr.net/wp-content/uploads/20.gif)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on March 23, 2012, 03:39:49 pm
I like you Cybaster, but I think we get the point :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 03:44:44 pm
But I've been behaving with him for several weeks... :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 23, 2012, 04:02:35 pm
I don't agree with Maverik being permabanned. Even though he had an annoying holier than thou attitude, he was actually tolerable when people weren't trying to get a reaction out of him or trying to make him react more during a battle (I'm looking at people like Rednavi right now). Would a shorter, say 2 week to one month ban be a little better? Sure. He does need time to calm down a bit. However, since a lot of this came from antagonization from others (or worsening in some cases), I feel that a permaban is more than what needs to be done here.
No one was doing that this time. I certainly wasn't. I gave him some feedback that he was free to ignore, but he instead turned it into a personal issue. Saying that I was only doing this cause I "had a nasty run in with [me] before and [he was] certain that [I was] still sore after that. who wouldnt be". I didn't even know what he was talking about at first, it was something to do with only white people fucking horses and commiting genocide or something that really wasn't that big of a deal but apparently I held a HUGE GRUDGE on Maverik over it. (hint: no I didn't). So then he goes into my wip thread and tries to get back at me by insulting my sprites. The only problem with that strategy was I didn't go apeshit about it and instead accepted his criticism politely, and promised to work on it. He left the thread alone after that. But while he was doing that, he was also going into other people's threads and insulting their work. And that's not someone who should stay in the community. He's already been banned before over stuff like this and he's proven he won't change because he doesn't think he did anything wrong (how could he? HE IS A GOD). So he's gone for good.

good riddance
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 23, 2012, 04:18:23 pm
Allow me to clear my stance up a bit:
- No, I am not saying "Free Maverik" or anything of the sort. I do agree that he needs time in the cooler.
- What I *am* saying is that 3 months would've worked. He has stated on MI that he's going on "indefinite hiatus" until he feels that things have died down a bit.

Maybe it's the fact that I deal with Skulltag's moderation system more than here, I dunno. I didn't want people to think I'm trying to free him or saying he's done nothing wrong. I do agree that it was his fault here. I'm not saying this whole saga was caused by everyone else; he did bring a lot of this on himself. However, for one example, check the Recycle Bin; there's at least one post by Anjel and one by KOD (AFAIK) both trying to further it.
Spoiler: The system there is, (click to see content)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 04:24:17 pm
The only time you're truly banned is if you [...] are completely intolerable
Seems like it's the case, to most people anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 04:25:04 pm
that system sounds fucking stupid
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 23, 2012, 04:34:23 pm
Is he ip banned or just his account ?

Because when a popular site bans an ip it gets sent to a worldwide black list, when using programs like outlook to send an email it immedaitely gets classified as spam, file sharing sites such as mediafire and megaupload also throtle their bandwidth to a minimum and disconnect often because they also have joined the anti spam crusade. Even facebook and twitter add several minutes of delay to the publications made by those banned ips because they have to be approved first by their indian moderators.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zero-Sennin on March 23, 2012, 04:38:48 pm
I personally feel, after having watched some of what Mav was saying, that in three months he probably would have just come back to pull the same old crap.

I know people were messing with him before, and that was wrong on their part, but there are plenty of times where he was just reacting to innocuous things the wrong way, and it wasn't something he appeared to be actively working on changing.

In this particular case, he was pretty much asking for what he got, and three months wouldn't have done anything to improve his disposition unless he seriously reconsidered his behavior. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 23, 2012, 04:52:01 pm
Let's unban Maverick after 3 months. If he cools down he stays. If he doesn't we ban him and Gill forever. :ball:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on March 23, 2012, 04:55:05 pm
However, for one example, check the Recycle Bin; there's at least one post by Anjel and one by KOD (AFAIK) both trying to further it.

I never made a single post in that thread


maybe you should shut the fuck up right now and stop making a complete fool of yourself by making a big deal out of nothing
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on March 23, 2012, 04:55:58 pm
Let's unban Maverick after 3 months. If he cools down he stays. If he doesn't we ban him and Gill forever. :ball:

good luck with your future endeavors gill
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on March 23, 2012, 04:59:58 pm
it's also not like no permaban has ever been lifted. politely requesting to be unbanned after some time goes a long way, for example.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rote Zaungast on March 23, 2012, 05:06:20 pm
about fucking time

^please no, unless his painfully autismal idea of talking shit becomes world class shit talking, never ever consider that
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 05:12:09 pm
I never made a single post in that thread
and anjel's post in that thread was like a month ago and it was deleted. pretty shitty examples
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 23, 2012, 05:18:32 pm
He has been flamebaited in the past but in this most recent incident, he was not. This was nobody's fault but his own.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on March 23, 2012, 05:21:45 pm
ok I think we established at this point that his ban was well deserved. let's talk about this again in a few months or something :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on March 23, 2012, 05:36:50 pm
Let's unban Maverick after 3 months. If he cools down he stays. If he doesn't we ban him and Gill forever. :ball:

The only reason I agree with this is because of his Grey Fox character. I want it.  ;D

ok I think we established at this point that his ban was well deserved. let's talk about this again in a few months or something :)

I stand corrected!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 23, 2012, 06:37:57 pm
Wow this thread is much better.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 06:48:49 pm
then please tell me who these horrible criminals that should've been permabanned yet are still posting are
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 23, 2012, 06:53:53 pm
Wow this thread is much better than everyone PMing the mods and then going on IRC to bitch about the one mod that someone talked to in a PM.

Should have done this a long time ago.

2 cents =
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Most importantly, this guy attacked creators and creations directly, instead of the usual fuck orochi gill stuff that happens in the all that's left.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on March 23, 2012, 07:06:02 pm
Here I was thinking I piss people off.

I just feel I should set the record straight an apologise for that Ingrid character I insulted.

I think it was created by Crazy Koopa so I owe him the apology.

It isn't fair to insult characters simply based on their original source.

In retrospect I was just insulting the creator in a roundabout way and I don't feel good about doing such a thing to the guy.

Just wanted to get out their and I feel this is as good a place as any.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on March 23, 2012, 07:19:41 pm
then please tell me who these horrible criminals that should've been permabanned yet are still posting are
I am! :twisted:

Anyways I heard from somewhere that Maverick wants all of his post history and threads to be deleted from this forum and that he is quiting from mugen and that he won't continue or share his creations...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 23, 2012, 07:37:39 pm
then please tell me who these horrible criminals that should've been permabanned yet are still posting are

Well a number of people on the spilling over thing. I remember porn bombs not being permaban worthy, JZ did that abortion thing to my profile when I was using his image at an avatar, Ash got how many chances?

Those are just off the top of my head.

I mean Titlin do you honestly think that the mods and especially you are consistent in handing out bans? It is subjective as fuck and that is why I say Gill may have a point. You guys have given others chance after chance, and Val's (Paraphrasing), "well he can always beg to come back after time has passed" is something that happens sometimes, but really it shouldn't be the norm.

Again, simply based on the fact that I don't see 10 to 12 fight threads happening and spilling out, should give one a pause about permaban.

I know you don't want to admit to the subjectivity and bias that mods have, but we all did it and is why many don't ban people you have argued with or have a bias against. What I am talking about is the fairness of standards in the bans themselves. Others have more chances and again that is why Gill has a point. He isn't saying the guy didn't fuck up and that something should be done, he is saying that what was done is to0 harsh, and I tend to agree with him because others in the past have been given less for more.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 07:48:33 pm
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It is subjective as fuck and that is why I say Gill may have a point.
Assuming there have indeed been inconsistencies, no, Gill doesn't have a point. Yes, the rules are different for everyone. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Maverik doesn't deserve as many chances as he got, there's no way you could question his ban. Gill's main point is that he thinks 3 months should be enough ; as far as I'm concerned I'm 100% convinced it's not, it wouldn't make any difference until Maverik grows capable of reconsidering his entire life.
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I don't see 10 to 12 fight threads happening and spilling out
You're clearly not looking hard enough. I stick to the gaming sections and on far between occasions the WIP and Mugen discussion sections, and I've easily seen big fights with him that were happening in completely different sections. The reason those fights stick to some release, WIP and Graphic sections is simply that Maverik himself seldom goes to any other section, and he targets people he gets pissed at, so of course he doesn't go in completely unrelated sections to drag fights with people that aren't there. The reason you don't see those fights is only that it just so happens that you go to the sections he doesn't go to, and vice-versa. But it doesn't make it any better.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 23, 2012, 07:50:09 pm
Well a number of people on the spilling over thing. I remember porn bombs not being permaban worthy, JZ did that abortion thing to my profile when I was using his image at an avatar, Ash got how many chances?

Those are just off the top of my head.

I mean Titlin do you honestly think that the mods and especially you are consistent in handing out bans? It is subjective as fuck and that is why I say Gill may have a point. You guys have given others chance after chance, and Val's (Paraphrasing), "well he can always beg to come back after time has passed" is something that happens sometimes, but really it shouldn't be the norm.

Again, simply based on the fact that I don't see 10 to 12 fight threads happening and spilling out, should give one a pause about permaban.

I know you don't want to admit to the subjectivity and bias that mods have, but we all did it and is why many don't ban people you have argued with or have a bias against. What I am talking about is the fairness of standards in the bans themselves. Others have more chances and again that is why Gill has a point. He isn't saying the guy didn't fuck up and that something should be done, he is saying that what was done is to0 harsh, and I tend to agree with him because others in the past have been given less for more.
The guys you mentioned were probably banned only once.

Maverick was banned for a few days, and said he would chill, only to do the same shit again. That's the only reason he's permabanned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 07:51:15 pm
I remember porn bombs not being permaban worthy
i don't know what this is about
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JZ did that abortion thing to my profile when I was using his image at an avatar
i don't know what this is about either but i figure he stopped when we asked him to??
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Ash got how many chances?
several, but he wasn't being as big of a shithead as maverik was being. and he's still permabanned

maverik is someone that got several warnings without being banned, staff spent plenty of time trying to show him what he was doing wrong, eventually got banned, his ban expired and now he started doing the same shit again. he displayed that everything we tried to talk to him about was a waste of time. his venomous YALL IS SHIT! IM DA BES attitude regarding the community is far worse in the long run than someone posting goatse or jesuszilla doing that profile thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 23, 2012, 07:56:27 pm
 Byakko has a point thought, some are hopeless, the question to you guys is.... Is he truly hopeless or did you lose patience?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on March 23, 2012, 08:00:31 pm
I don't think Maverick should be banned forever. I think he should be banned just for a little amount of time until he has a better behavior. I say like 10 or 20 years :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on March 23, 2012, 08:01:30 pm
I agree guys, make a compromise and ban him for 20 years only.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 08:06:01 pm
some are hopeless, the question to you guys is.... Is he truly hopeless or did you lose patience?
Those fights have happened over the course of several months (and that's just what I've seen), with several people, with bans inbetween, over petty shit of various nature (the quality of his work, his opinion on random stuff, his attitude, his knowledge on facts of life, his attempts to "help" people...) (they all pointed back to his view on life that goes like this : "I'm a god") As several staff members have said, a lot of different people have tried in several ways to explain to him that he was doing something very wrong.
Everybody ended up with the same conclusion - fuck it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 23, 2012, 08:10:11 pm
Meh good bye then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 08:14:32 pm
the sonic39262-type bad poster isn't anywhere as harmful to the community as someone like da maverik is. they're just dumb.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on March 23, 2012, 08:22:39 pm
Is he truly hopeless or did you lose patience?

someone owes the staff a damn medal for the amount of patience we showed when dealing with maverik

i am legitimately shocked he lasted as long as he did
people who aren't maverik would have been kicked for less in an instant
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 08:25:07 pm
Does that mean he was a good troll and he made you think he was worth something :???:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on March 23, 2012, 09:03:33 pm
I wanted to see what all the fuss was about and I have to say he was an self-centred egotistical prick and deserved what he got.

His work was alright but in the time I've been around Mugen I've seen at least 100 far better creators.

The digs at Seanalty were unnecessary too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 10:00:56 pm
then please tell me who these horrible criminals that should've been permabanned yet are still posting are

Well a number of people on the spilling over thing. I remember porn bombs not being permaban worthy, JZ did that abortion thing to my profile when I was using his image at an avatar, Ash got how many chances?

Those are just off the top of my head.


Jz i remember, several people mimicked his avatar and sig, oz deleted jango thread because he looked at it and it looked like a bunch of jzs just posting stuff one after the other. Jz started accusing him of being personist.
Shamrock mimicked the avatar like all the others did, jz had them all remove the avatars and then replaced it with an abortion picture.
Got banned for a while.

The porn bomb was sion and kfm doing, someone announced a castlevania full game here, they replaced it with a porn bomb, kfm in his usually classyness claimed it was well deserved. It also helped in kfm getting perma eventually.

Shamrock, I believe you havent really followed any of the threads involving mav.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 23, 2012, 10:08:24 pm
Jz started accusing him of being personist.
The word "personist" is literally the dumbest thing I've heard of all day.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 23, 2012, 10:15:46 pm
No Iced I have only paid mild attention to his posts and I have been absent for a while.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 10:18:07 pm
The porn bomb was sion and kfm doing, someone announced a castlevania full game here, they replaced it with a porn bomb, kfm in his usually classyness claimed it was well deserved.
Uh, that's not what I remember. The link was picked up by a few particular people, so they redirected that link to a random place. Someone here posted that link, and it just happened to end up on a porn bomb site (freezing the computer with porn-related popups). Not exactly what you're implying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 10:20:59 pm
yeah it wasn't a porn bomb, it was a site with a bunch of popups or something. it was a bad thing either way
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 10:22:39 pm
Serio, not sion

http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=66440.msg1032243#msg1032243


And I know what happened, they demanded that it wasnt linked by people in the guild, it got linked so they replaced the link with a popup porn bomb on purpose. That was the term used back then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 10:39:47 pm
Wrong, again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 10:43:57 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=86957.0;all
serio didn't want it announced in the mugen community. the game was announced in guild, serio made it so any clicks to the site coming from mugen guild would redirect to last measure. last measure is a bad thing. i don't see how iced is wrong unless you're nitpicking on the term "porn bomb"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 10:47:47 pm
maybe he prefers the term they used "Last measure".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 10:50:27 pm
The topic you link to clearly states the redirection was supposed to be to one single "gross out pic". This is still not anything like what you guys are saying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 23, 2012, 10:54:03 pm
Byakko, I clicked the link to see what the report was about and within seconds my browser opened 50 sites and kept doing it. I had to shut down the browser with task manger.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 10:55:08 pm
I'm not talking about how you're calling the result "porn bomb", I'm talking about what Iced is saying - that it was deliberate, that they went "let's make a porn bomb and spread a virus" and such. Again, they planned to redirect to one site with a single image. It did end up in a "porn bomb" and it did give people like you a pretty bad scare, but Iced is (not a surprise) transforming facts.
Anyway, that example did end up in a ban :P
On another note, generally speaking (not talking about that particular example but in response to the point you were making), a single action that follows a series of events may not be judged the same way as a slightly smaller but persistent behavior (except in the case of a virus or hacking, of course).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 10:59:20 pm
dont be daft.

A virus has been detected, niggers.pln. etc, detected as malware, worm, installed on the site recently, jango called my attention to click it.

Whilst redirecting to a series of gross images from PAIN/LM.

Good going there, extremely mature and conscious.
BRAVO , BRAVO.


What it was supposed to be and what it actually was is pretty irrelevant, it was picked up as malware, it was justified by the rs crew ( and jz) as being the way to go and it was a really stupid thing to do.

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Uh, that's not what I remember. The link was picked up by a few particular people, so they redirected that link to a random place. Someone here posted that link, and it just happened to end up on a porn bomb site (freezing the computer with porn-related popups). Not exactly what you're implying.
It wasnt an accident where the page was redirected to a random place and it JUST SO HAPPENED to go into a porn bomb site.


It ended up with bans anyway so what example shamrock wanted to give was valid. Maverik behaviour was a more persistent repeating one. Although not as gross.


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Iced is, not a surprise, transforming facts.
You are a riot, also a riot, the stupidest crew that ever tried to dominate and destroy communities you used to be part of.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 11:01:25 pm
What it was supposed to be and what it actually was is pretty irrelevant
No, it's exactly what I'm talking about. I'm specifically responding to your post where you acted like it was planned out this way. I'm saying you're wrong, it wasn't. I'm not denying what happened as a result. Don't be stupid and holding grudges.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 11:03:54 pm
The whole purpose of using last measure is making that kind of stuff, Last measure IS malware.  How can you say it wasnt intended to be malware when using malware.Maybe serio didnt know it was malware? Then why was he laughing it up and claiming it was easy to troll "us fags"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 11:11:40 pm
You're looking at the end result and drawing assumptions on the cause. Stop that. You want to know the answer ? Ask them instead of curling up here and holding it in the back of your mind for years. I promise I'll back off if you do and they confirm what you say.
Then why was he laughing it up and claiming it was easy to troll "us fags"
Maybe simply because it was a redirection triggered by the referrer ? I'm not saying that's what it was, but you're making assumptions, and I only need to prove the possibility of the opposite.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 23, 2012, 11:13:03 pm
How do you defend an incident like that so stoically
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 11:14:19 pm
What are you talking about ? What am I defending, according to you ? And what makes you think, from what I said, that I'm defending the action of spreading malwares and virii to dozens of people who have nothing to do with the matter ? Because I'm not.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 11:21:33 pm
you are doing it byakko, your  way of adressing it is ridiculously stoic.
all the posts on that thread have the info people assume to be reality, their OWN declarations about it, while you go like "YOu better ask them otherwise you are just assuming!!"


I dont have to do shit for horrid tiny people that spent the last five years being horrible to each other. They dont deserve the benefit of even a polite hi from anyone here, that "TROLL U FAGS" post is enough to know that no one there deserved said benefit when they wouldnt do the same for others.

You are looking at an incident where someone released a popup porn bomb because they didnt want their stuff released , then taunted the boards they released it on and you aregoing like "you guys acting as if you know everything going on! Iced is transforming facts again! Just because they were talking about trolling you guys at the same time it doesnt mean really what it means!"
You are being ignorant on purpose, and for some reason im even letting you try to redraw the whole thing over a somewhat heroic perspective.  Stupid me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 23, 2012, 11:24:28 pm
Argh.

The original intent was to have people go to a junk site, suggested in chat by Jango. The fact that it turned into something else (porn, malware etc), and is probably worse now than it was then was not their intent.

Ok, that's the only bit Byakko is talking about. Them coming in defending the mistake is not the issue here and does this REALLY need to be argued about in this thread?

I wasn't even visiting their chat at this point but that was the story as i heard it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 11:27:10 pm
you are doing it byakko, your  way of adressing it is ridiculously stoic.
What ? Are you stupid or something ? I'm asking where I'm defending the spreading of malwares and such, and you answer to me is "you're being stoic" ? Are you serious ?? (edit - and you get mad at me when I'm not stoic anyway, so make up your mind about it, bro :P)
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their OWN declarations about it
I am reading their own declaration about it in that link above and I read it was supposed to be "a gross pic". This is completely different from what you are saying. So yeah, you are lying.

I am NOT defending people who knowingly spread malwares to people who have nothing to do with anything. I DO NOT condone that. Stop saying that. I despise the act of harming innocent bystanders.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 11:39:56 pm
they used last measure , they admit to it, they then claim its easy trolling US FAGS
This is last measure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Nigger_Association_of_America

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The GNAA uses several methods of trolling. One method involves flooding weblogs with a massive amount of repeated words and phrases, referred to as "crapflooding".[8][9] They have also produced shock sites containing malware.[9] One such site, "Last Measure", contains malware that opens up pop-up windows containing shocking pictures.[10] On Wikipedia, members of the group created a page about themselves, while adhering to every rule of Wikipedia, essentially using the system against itself.[7]


So they used last measure, a malware program. that delivers shocking images of sex and gore.

JEEZ its almost like you are being a dumbass on purpose.
They intended to use last measure and used it , then taunted people, I havent said a lie, but you can continue living in your fantasy world where somehow this means im stupid because i cant tell the difference between "intending to use a junk site " and "using a shock  gore site and taunting people about it"

well seeya! you can keep trying to defend it all you want, or "not defend it but upholding the truth" as you would call it.
Dont bother answering
Jesus h christ , cant see something about years ago without running to try to defend it, no matter how wrong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on March 23, 2012, 11:44:29 pm
Oh my God J.C. a PORN BOMB!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 11:47:19 pm
You keeping naming Last Measure, please explain why. I can't find any mention of it except in Jango's post who talks about a mistaken amalgam (FROM YOU).
I'm STILL not defending the usage of a site that spreads malware. You're STILL saying that I do. I've already told you several times right here to stop doing that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 11:57:29 pm
iced said "A virus has been detected, niggers.pln. etc, detected as malware, worm, installed on the site recently" and jesuszilla corrected him saying "last measure is none of that". what shamrock described was last measure. last measure is detected by antivirus software which is why iced posted that virus warning. it was more than likely last measure or something similar. serio probably said "i just wanted them to see a gross pic" when the reports about viruses (people assuming it was a virus because their antivirus blocked the site) started to appear. anybody using last measure knows what it does and it's absolutely not just a gross picture.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 24, 2012, 12:09:03 am
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serio probably said "i just wanted them to see a gross pic
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anybody using last measure knows what it does and it's absolutely not just a gross picture.
Okay.
Don't mix up the end result and the original redirection. The process you just described still adds up to a redirection of a redirection that ended up with Last Measure.
The end result, Last Measure, was bad. The only thing I'm saying since the beginning is that it might not have originally been that, and that fits with what I heard at the time (this is also comforted by Cyanide's post above). Again, the only one I've seen saying "they intended it to be that from the beginning" is Iced, with a confusion around comments from Jesuszilla and Jango.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 24, 2012, 12:14:50 am
Yeah, sorry about that, i remembered a J.

Anyway. What got them banned was the reaction afterwards. Not the redirect itself. And that was piled onto loads of other stuff beforehand which is all OLD NOW AND NOT EVEN WORTH THIS TEXT.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 24, 2012, 12:17:05 am
im taking more issue with you claiming im lying and manufacturing facts when what im saying is what happened, and what you are saying is "well they didnt intended for that to fully happen" and im going "but still when they made it happen they still acted like terrible dicks, and whoever uses last measure knows this shit happens"


also what cyanide said.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 24, 2012, 12:22:43 am
Jesus Christ I take back saying this thread was a good idea.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on March 24, 2012, 12:33:16 am
Yeah, this is completely irrelevant to this thread. Split this tangential conversation into its own thread or just delete.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on March 24, 2012, 12:37:28 am
It's just people reacting to Byakko doing his thing...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 04, 2012, 12:45:53 am
As insufferable as GBK can be, I don't think banning him was necessary. He was contributing to a thread, contributing content that he obviously has a lot of. Should we ban Girard for posting hella gaming news in every thread?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MelvanaInChains on April 04, 2012, 12:47:25 am
yeah, i don't think gbk is that great of a poster (and he could've handled it a lot better) but banning him for three months for being on-topic is uh
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on April 04, 2012, 12:48:01 am
I think Iced reasons are correct. GBK really post a cosplay pic after anyone posted one, and when iced tried to keep him cool in good manners, he only said "fuck you"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 04, 2012, 12:52:57 am
I think he was banned more for his repeated STFU posts when Iced (mostly) politely reminded him of a thing that upset people and was discussed before.

While I'm talking about this: titiln, I'm a bit annoyed by your constant insulting of people. It makes bans like this which feel justified otherwise weird in the same way posting gimmicks did after you banned navana for it. this is not a new thing, but you really are doing it a lot lately.

Either way three months is too much since it's a wrist slap thing. Make it three days or something...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MelvanaInChains on April 04, 2012, 12:54:33 am
i didn't see him 'constantly' posting 'stfu' but i guess i wasn't paying attention, that and a lot of other people can get away with telling people to shut the fuck up. again yeah he could've handled it better but i don't see how it was a big deal to begin with. if you banned him for his spamming of his own little 'advice gbk' meme bullshit that's understandable but

ahhh fuck
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 04, 2012, 12:58:23 am
four fuck you to an admin politely reminding him of something, I was going with two months but he said three was the perfect measurement. I will make it 30 days then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 04, 2012, 12:59:20 am
I dunno I thought it was pretty rude of you to continue insinuating him posting cosplay in a cosplay thread was wrong (???) to begin with.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Luis Alejandro on April 04, 2012, 01:01:15 am
While I'm talking about this: titiln, I'm a bit annoyed by your constant insulting of people. It makes bans like this which feel justified otherwise weird in the same way posting gimmicks did after you banned navana for it. this is not a new thing, but you really are doing it a lot lately.
Yea Chris you're doing to much lately. I didnt want to say anything because we are bronies but you are starting to become more like you were when Walt called you out acouple years ago
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 01:02:59 am
I dunno I thought it was pretty rude of you to continue insinuating him posting cosplay in a cosplay thread was wrong (???) to begin with.

i've never really gotten the point of that whole debate myself

though gbk's response was admittedly negative
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 04, 2012, 01:05:10 am
As long as he isn't double, triple, quadra, penta, MONSTER posting, I don't see the problem with it. Which is what I'm getting at.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 04, 2012, 01:09:04 am
he had been warned before about it ( soft warned, not like, banned or anything) when people complained and at those times he stopped.

Now it was just a reminder for him to not start doing that thing again, his reaction is what netted his ban, had he just told me that he thought i was wrong, its not like i wouldve banned him.

Years ago teling a admin to go fuck himself would have them permabanned.I dont think giving him a time out over this is in anyway unjustified.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on April 04, 2012, 01:12:27 am
30 days is still too much :P

hey Iced are you going to ban tempest for all the BS that happened at the screenshots thread as well?  :)

Or titiln for constantly insulting every single possible person around here?  :)

Or yourself for changing my profile???  >:(

Then stfu  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MelvanaInChains on April 04, 2012, 01:13:01 am
yeah a lot of other people have told others to go fuck themselves and got off scot-free from what i remember so
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 01:13:20 am
point me to the posts in which i'm insulting people for no apparent reason and it's completely uncalled for
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 01:14:37 am
he was by far the main contributor to the thread (i don't really see this as a problem) and occasionally mocked other users' contributions but the whole argument always seemed awkward and contrived

it was never really a black/white issue
it was always kind of muddled/stupid


i can see how he would have been insulted
i can also see that telling an admin to FUCK OFF a couple dozen times is probably not the right course of action
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 04, 2012, 01:19:49 am
point me to the posts in which i'm insulting people for no apparent reason and it's completely uncalled for

that's not a justification. not everyone can judge situations and people as well as you, and when people see it's apparently ok to insult when they feel like it (which is what you are converging to), they will do just that. called for or not, you are making it more socially acceptable to insult people bit by bit.

just tone it down a little.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 01:27:21 am
this may be irrelevant, but i don't think titiln's behavior had to do with gbk's outburst


while i may see more users calling other users, 'idiot, moron, etc.', i would hardly blame titiln for it

of course 'staff should set an example' or what not, and i think everyone understands that

all i'm saying is that, at least in my mind, these two issues are completely unrelated
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Luis Alejandro on April 04, 2012, 01:32:25 am
Oz that's because they are not related.
point me to the posts in which i'm insulting people for no apparent reason and it's completely uncalled for
You are doing that to often.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 04, 2012, 01:34:43 am
I agree on Iced's decision of a slap on the wrist. Iced already made his point on why the banning (  ), I am one of the persons who complained about gbk's habit before because it really makes the topic worse. comparing his posting to girard's news is not apropiate, his ebhaviour is more like having a  "X fighting game" thread , someone posts news on the game, the gbk tells him to shut up and posts a video of his youtube match,  one day later someone posts trying to talk about the game's plot, then gbk call teh game's plto stupid and posts one of his friend's youtube matches... etc.. repeat at infinite until the topic is only about gbk posting youtube videos of his friends playing the game.

[EDIT]
He also started camping in the fanart topic doing the same thing and even complainign to people about fanart credits.

[EDIT]
I am ok with titiln.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on April 04, 2012, 01:39:29 am
point me to the posts in which i'm insulting people for no apparent reason and it's completely uncalled for

that's not what I said >:C

While it is indeed called for most of the times (Well, I wouldn't bet my soul on that honestly) you gotta admit that sometimes you go over the top or the post just doesn't deserve that much attention (Let alone insults and sarcasm).

It's kinda useless when instead of pointing out a flaw in the post all you do is use sarcasm and insult the guys, which depending of the person's experience he either fixes his behavior or just goes into a random flamewar. Heck many times is just you pissing off on other people's likings, we already know your humor sense is "superior japan", we don't need you to remind us about that every time somebody posts something.

And Val beat me to it. To be honest it's the vibe I'm getting from this place since a year or two. I'm pretty sure I'm guilty of this as well (Well, don't remember but I'm sure I get mad a time or two a month? Or just behave like an ass like one of the times where the forum became Da_Maverik vs the world briefly).

And hate wagons don't help the forum's experience. It came to a point where I can totally predict who's going to post after X user bashes somebody else. Makes you "rolleyes" IRL every time that happens.

but whatever, who the hell am I after all? The site wouldn't be that known if it was about all roses and flowers would be?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 01:42:00 am
people complained that titiln was acting too nice about a month or two ago

true story
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 01:42:40 am
i hate that nobody's even trying to bring up any examples. the only recent instances i see are me calling sky a fucking idiot because he was evidently trying to start shit (like he usually does), navana because he was disregarding what several staff members said to him and was being an attention whore in general. i also made fun of alexlexus and his videos because he's been repeatedly told to not post them and his threads end up deleted. told darkflare to stop being a shithead and to shut the fuck up because he was being pedantic about other people's feedback. i'm sorry but i think you're being ridiculous. set up a wordfilter against bad words if it bothers you that much.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 04, 2012, 01:44:52 am
And those are people who the userbase already has a pretty solidified opinion of. No one but themselves are going to make people change their mind's about them.


\\ damn it stop posting so fast I can't get my posts in! >:(

Now that you like ponies, posts are about the only thing you're gonna get in. :3
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 04, 2012, 01:46:34 am
all i'm saying is that, at least in my mind, these two issues are completely unrelated

They are.

I had wanted to bring this up for a while. I'm not blaming titiln for anything, sorry if it came out that way. He's doing a great job, I don't think I have disagreed with any of his decisions since my absence.

I just wish he'd be more polite about it sometimes, and i don't want to call him out in one of these situations (which only distracts from the problematic person he's probably insulting at that point) so I'm doing it here.

\\ damn it stop posting so fast I can't get my posts in! >:(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 01:52:40 am
titiln, I'm a bit annoyed by your constant insulting of people. It makes bans like this which feel justified otherwise weird

ಠ_ಠ

all i'm saying is that titiln's sailor talk doesn't really make gbk's outburst any more justified in my mind
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 01:54:26 am
:|
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MelvanaInChains on April 04, 2012, 01:55:46 am
titiln, I'm a bit annoyed by your constant insulting of people. It makes bans like this which feel justified otherwise weird

ಠ_ಠ

all i'm saying is that titiln's sailor talk doesn't really make gbk's outburst any more justified in my mind

yeah that makes sense i suppose. then again all i got is 'wow that was kind of silly' about the gbk situation so
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 04, 2012, 02:10:44 am
ok searched for a random example where I found the amount of swearing excessive. wasn't hard to find:
https://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=115031.msg1540505#msg1540505

maybe I'm being conservative about this kinda stuff. it's not about the words themselves, it's about the lack of respect they convey. you can not agree with people or not respect them, but that doesn't make it ok to throw a general level of politeness out of the window.

\\ edit

<- please ignore the pony on the left, not doing a gimmick thing here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 02:17:29 am
i'm sorry that i was being impolite to the character that basically told someone to stop posting their sprites, tried to drive out another poster from that thread by basically making a thread for them (https://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=139547.msg1534300#msg1534300) and is still very rude about other people's works (https://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=115030.msg1548197#msg1548197). i find that kind of behavior far more disruptive than someone saying fuck
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 04, 2012, 02:26:18 am
Read up on the guy I linked, he's kind of a cunt.

Doesn't mean calling him one is going to help the situation.

It's not /that/ big a deal to me either, but just big enough to bring it up while talking about something similar.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 03:12:25 am
i now get the feeling you keep trying to undermine my decisions without having full knowledge of what's going on, as seen in your post in this thread bringing attention to how i'm a terrible swearing monster against every poster or how i'm possibly failing at democracy by abusing my status (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=137290.msg1547338#msg1547338). i don't think this is going to work
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 04, 2012, 04:26:44 am
When I said failed at diplomacy, I meant just that. Diplomacy failed, might be time for less diplomatic measures. I had told navana his gimmick was annoying right before that post. I can see how the added ambiguity could have sounded accusing though, I tend to qualify strong statements (like "fail at diplomacy") when I'm not entirely sure. Wasn't meant that way, and I'm not even sure how you are getting from that to "abusing your status".

I'm pretty sure I never said you were a terrible swearing monster against everyone, and I didn't demand you never use a bad word again. I just wanted to direct your attention at your choice of words for a minute, because I feel you are sometimes provoking people with it, which makes it harder for them to follow good advice because they need to swallow their pride even more.

Said it before, saying it again, it's been a long time since I really disagreed with any of your decisions. You're doing a great job here, and I'm glad to have you. Doesn't help the fact that my mom was a fan of swear jars, so that's the constructive feedback you're going to get from me once in a while, nothing personal about it.

Can I use smileys again now?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 04:58:04 am
please find someone less aggressive
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 05:00:11 am
let's not do this again
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 04, 2012, 05:08:15 am
I dont think anyone less aggressive is needed, titiln is fine at what he does, if anything you could pace yourself more into arguments so that for outside readers it doesnt seem like you go from zero to fuck this shit in one post.
Dont take val observation so strongly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on April 04, 2012, 06:14:41 am
Oh wow, that was a huge overreaction.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 04, 2012, 06:25:44 am
Sean, I think it's best we let this one play itself out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on April 04, 2012, 06:39:50 am
I'll throw my cent and a half (Again) and say that when I was an insufferable n00b several years ago I had to deal with several people who were in charge back then with similar behavior (And of course others who weren't mods) and while I did have problems with many people, be it via pms, on a thread, because I was stupid or oblivious to what's going on or not informed enough, etc. (This was the first internet site I've ever started to post on, my first internet forum, and in a language I wasn't very good at) I really don't think any of this kind of stuff helped me to get to know how to properly behave on the internet at all (Well in retrospective is not a surprise at all, when 90% of the feedback I got was just empty insults and really silly stuff from the mods like locking my profile, making me invisible to anybody except mods, modifying my posts, etc.) but in fact totally the opposite.

If anything I gotta thank Valodim for a REALLY LONG PM he sent me back then (He told me it took him like 40 minutes to write it XD) giving me tips and whatnot to be a better member of the site (And this was AFTER making me a ghost and all that :P) so feel free to make the obvious "you're still a shitty poster haha!" jokes but credit where's due, Val helped me a lot back then (Even if, mentioning it for the third time, he and messatsu made me a fucking ghost for quite some time >_>). So thanks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 04, 2012, 08:48:36 am
That has little to do with people who are actively trying to be shitheads. Ultimately, you're going to go through that treatment from someone, mod or not, so while it's a nice story it's kind of irrelevant, especially since Titiln hasn't really done(Insulting someone with prejudice) that to an actual newbie of that caliber.

Honestly, it seemed like Val was talking to him like he was a child and I would've got upset too. That's my opinion anyways.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 09:03:03 am
déjà vu
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 04, 2012, 09:06:32 am
I know what you're talking about and don't worry. I'm done ^__^
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on April 04, 2012, 10:43:14 am
when I was an insufferable n00b several years ago
heh

this situation is regrettable, really. titiln only ever acts that way to members with problematic histories... its not like its hard to tell when he is serious about warnings. oh well. wish you the best in future endeavors if you dont decide to come back
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on April 04, 2012, 10:59:43 am
As a user (one with many mistakes cause I'm not perfect), I have many things I could say about Titiln that I don't agree with but again I won't say it cause I'm afraid I could get banned (by him), I recently learned to keep a low profile so that I can enjoy this forum without posting much... yeah... to enjoy a forum I like I have to keep a low profile without making much posts... ain't that sad? Anyways I just wanted to let my thoughts be heard as a regular user here, other than that I think the other admins and mods are doing a great job here, goodnight guys...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 04, 2012, 02:59:54 pm
...

well fuck

amazing what one innocuous MSN message can do :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on April 04, 2012, 03:10:36 pm
GBK should not be banned for more than a week, if not at all

Titiln is mean as fuck, but only to people who are as stupid as fuck. Does either one justify the other? Not necessarily. Is one more damaging than the other? That depends. A stupid person can derail threads by inviting people to bash them; a mean administrator could make people think it's okay to bash stupid people. And sometimes it is okay to bash stupid people, but it's never okay to be stupid.

All-in-all, Titiln obviously didn't want to moderate a forum for someone who didn't necessarily understand or approve of some of his methods. Although, Valdoim did mention that has been gone for a while and isn't really up to date on forum affairs.

Either way, Titiln made people afraid to be stupid. That is a good thing. I don't want the forum to be invaded by tons of stupid users who now think it's okay to be stupid.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on April 04, 2012, 03:33:00 pm
Overreactions all around.

- Unban GBK or make his ban shorter.

- Restate Titiln as admin.
WTF somebody tells you to tone it down a notch, and you go all Fred Durst "M<y way or the highway"? Grow the fuck up, learn to consider assimilate feedback. Questioning yourself isn't a bad thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 04, 2012, 05:01:36 pm
As a user (one with many mistakes cause I'm not perfect), I have many things I could say about Titiln that I don't agree with but again I won't say it cause I'm afraid I could get banned (by him), I recently learned to keep a low profile so that I can enjoy this forum without posting much... yeah... to enjoy a forum I like I have to keep a low profile without making much posts... ain't that sad? Anyways I just wanted to let my thoughts be heard as a regular user here, other than that I think the other admins and mods are doing a great job here, goodnight guys...
considering the way you were posting before, downright hassling new people, you learning to keep a low profile was not a bad thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 04, 2012, 05:14:13 pm
I've been (attempting) to do it given that I've been a dick to some people that didn't really deserve it (I feel as if I should apologize for how I was in 2009, I really was dickish to a lot of people that didn't really deserve it).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rote Zaungast on April 04, 2012, 05:39:31 pm
Quote
mean as fuck, but only to people who are as stupid as fuck
they also were mean as fuck, so win win
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 07:43:30 pm
i'm aware that a previous thread (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=105786.0) gives the impression that i'll just ask to be admin in 6 months and is also a great source for comedy material in this context, but that post did say "for the time being" which could be read as me coming back at some point. this is not the case here. please find someone else, i'm done.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 07:47:31 pm
please find someone else

we'd really rather not

especially if the reason you're leaving is suspected mistrust or the previously mentioned accusations

you work as an admin, you're regularly active, and you've been able to keep order around here
no one can contest that

having you resign would be to the detriment of the staff and the forum

of course this is your decision, but do think it through
we'd really rather you not leave
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Tyrant Belial on April 04, 2012, 08:03:15 pm
Wait so Titiln's no longer admin. . .

 :twisted:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 04, 2012, 08:05:41 pm
i'm aware that a previous thread (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=105786.0) gives the impression that i'll just ask to be admin in 6 months and is also a great source for comedy material in this context, but that post did say "for the time being" which could be read as me coming back at some point. this is not the case here. please find someone else, i'm done.
:(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on April 04, 2012, 08:11:50 pm
please find someone else

we'd really rather not

especially if the reason you're leaving is suspected mistrust or the previously mentioned accusations

you work as an admin, you're regularly active, and you've been able to keep order around here
no one can contest that

having you resign would be to the detriment of the staff and the forum

of course this is your decision, but do think it through
we'd really rather you not leave

This.   

I know it's sometimes easy to forget that people volunteer time for this forum.  A lot of hours go into keeping things more or less smooth, making graphics, making decisions about everything from bans to adding staff.  And it's easy to forget to thank people who put in all those hours and to show appreciation.  I only agree with you about 20% of the time, but I appreciate you 100% of the time. (ok thats a lie, make it 90%).

:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 09:01:35 pm
you work as an admin, you're regularly active, and you've been able to keep order around here
no one can contest that

having you resign would be to the detriment of the staff and the forum
of course it would, because i put plenty of hours every day into the forum. but so do the rest of you. find someone else to fill in those hours.

I only agree with you about 20% of the time, but I appreciate you 100% of the time. (ok thats a lie, make it 90%).
i don't know if you're joking here or if it's a figure of speech or what, but if you really disagreed with me 80% of the time then it absolutely didn't show. please be more vocal on forum decisions from now on
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 09:11:04 pm
i really do not see a viable replacement and cyanide always says no

it's not just a matter of hours, you brought a certain viewpoint and style to the position
a certain je ne sais quoi

you're not exactly replaceable
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on April 04, 2012, 09:37:33 pm
i don't know if you're joking here or if it's a figure of speech or what, but if you really disagreed with me 80% of the time then it absolutely didn't show. please be more vocal on forum decisions from now on

Because I pick my battles.  If I don't agree with you, that doesn't mean I think you are being unfair.  We all have different personalities; yours is more "in your face and abrasive" than mine. You use vulgar language; I don't.  I don't agree with the way you do things doesn't mean you aren't effective... it only means that's not the way I would do it.  If I thought you were wrong, unfair and making a big mistake (like now) you better believe I'd be vocal about it.

:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on April 04, 2012, 09:52:11 pm
dattebayo
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rote Zaungast on April 04, 2012, 09:55:02 pm
I never asked for mod status all those years, so I'm very eligible for adminship
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on April 04, 2012, 11:18:53 pm
If, Titiln, you're really not coming back, are you still going to be active on the forum? Your activity on the forum is better than no Titiln at all. If you completely leave, then "they" have won.

Either way, I'm not going to insist that you come back like everyone else, you're a big boy who can make his own decisions. So if you're gone from the staff for good, perhaps you should, as your last endeavor, recommend what we should do to replace your efficiency. Instead of just saying that we should find someone else.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on April 04, 2012, 11:29:30 pm
Sorry, I don't get it yet... Titiln was dismissed as admin or he just quitted to his charge??

And I agree with various of here, he can be strict and even mean, but also he can't be replaced
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on April 04, 2012, 11:36:20 pm
The point in this thread at which he resigned is obvious.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on April 05, 2012, 12:10:04 am
Basara is too boss-like to read threads or be informed. He has secretaries (like Rugal) who inform him of everything relevant he needs to know.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on April 05, 2012, 12:17:23 am
Thanks for the boss-like stuff 8) but I don't have enough time in my office to see all the stuff you posted in the forum (also, I don't have inet in my house)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 05, 2012, 12:23:40 am
If, Titiln, you're really not coming back, are you still going to be active on the forum? Your activity on the forum is better than no Titiln at all.
i don't think i'll post very often
Quote
Either way, I'm not going to insist that you come back like everyone else, you're a big boy who can make his own decisions.
thanks for respecting that.
Quote
So if you're gone from the staff for good, perhaps you should, as your last endeavor, recommend what we should do to replace your efficiency. Instead of just saying that we should find someone else.
i really don't have much to say on this subject other than "find someone else". pick a gmod to bump into administrator. i'd be fine with any of the current gmods being administrator, if i had a problem with one of them being administrator then they shouldn't be a gmod in the first place. afterwards pick someone to fill that gmod spot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on April 05, 2012, 04:29:39 am
I guess that is fair enough. Good luck in whatever you invest your time in in the future.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 05, 2012, 07:54:03 pm
That was Mugen drama fo the highest order.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on April 05, 2012, 11:32:28 pm
You got a (minor) scolding and you react like this, yet you have scolded many of us much more harshly, and it's 'well-intended feedback to grow as forumites, just in a tough tone'?

Quit now and it just means you've been a hypocritical bully all along. Please stay and prove that you actually believe in what you did. You've earned the respect of some of us though we don't agree with you or your style at all.

Don't throw that away that in a childish tantrum. I don't want to have to learn how to tolerate another admin's  dickish 'bad cop' style. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 12:23:09 am
there's more to it than a "minor scolding" and there's a difference between the closest thing to a site owner this site has disagreeing with my methods and a one trick pony (you) disagreeing with my methods
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on April 06, 2012, 12:35:26 am
But he's never actually disagreed with your overall methods... He's just asked you to tone down a bit some of your wording. And you have actually spent some time without being that aggressive. Sometimes even slightly civilized, so it's not like it's all that alien to you.

You yourself, on the other hand, have repeatedly called some of us unredeemable shitposters all over the place. And instead of ragequitting, we've chosen to try to learn, lurk more, and be a bit more patient instead of throwing a tantrum to then invariably return in less than a month.

Yeah, I said try. :P

Maybe it's time for you to try and learn, for once?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 12:39:00 am
You yourself, on the other hand, have repeatedly called some of us unredeemable shitposters all over the place. And instead of ragequitting, we've chosen to try to learn, lurk more, and be a bit more patient
i suppose you're talking about other users considering you're still shitting up threads by posting about how america is not a country (you learned nothing)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on April 06, 2012, 12:42:47 am
Still got your attention, didn't I? ;)

we've chosen to try to learn, lurk more, and be a bit more patient instead of throwing a tantrum to then invariably return in less than a month.

Yeah, I said try. :P

Anyways, still dodged the most important part of my post.
Maybe it's time for you to try and learn, for once?
You don't have to reply now- you've made me learn to not post when mad, frustrated, or under pressure.

Why don't you take some time off the forum and think it over? Don't you think all this is a bit rushed?

Yeah, take your usual smart jab comeback at me so you can have the last word (god knows you never ever let anyone have it), but anyway, just give it some thought, plz?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 01:11:03 am
i disregarded the rest of your post because you're a hypocrite that talks about learning or trying to learn when you've done none of it. your posting is still mostly intended on starting shit
Still got your attention, didn't I? ;)
take your usual smart jab comeback at me so you can have the last word (god knows you never ever let anyone have it), but anyway, just give it some thought, plz?
and you still try to derail threads with the american argument despite countless people telling you how stale it got. you are a hypocrite. don't fucking tell me to learn when you're not even trying
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 01:18:52 am
anyway it would be super amazing if the staff would stop playing grabass in the staff forum and decide another administrator already
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 06, 2012, 01:21:38 am
you know we all pick cyanide
and you know cyanide says no

there's no grabass involved
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 06, 2012, 01:24:17 am
A lot of the recent posts are :]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 06, 2012, 01:39:11 am
I think that's because titiln's new avatar is awesome. Imagine it reading his posts aloud
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 06, 2012, 03:20:34 am
You don't have to reply now- you've made me learn to not post when mad, frustrated, or under pressure.
Then why are your posts still so bad?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on April 06, 2012, 03:29:44 am
I guess I'm a calmed and detached shitty poster?

Also, saying at least occasionally why my posts are so bad might help, y' know.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on April 06, 2012, 03:35:59 am
Round these parts, the only thing that matters is them postings of yours.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 06, 2012, 03:43:35 am
Also, saying at least occasionally why my posts are so bad might help, y' know.
Yeah, I'm not getting into a debate about this. Besides, people have said why they're so bad so many times over the years that there's no point.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on April 06, 2012, 05:51:21 am
Yeah, he's been told before.

Do not fall for his "explain to me; what do yo think; what does it mean to you" posts. If he acts up again with that stupid American nonsense, then he's getting banned.

This is a reminder that that warning is still in effect.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on April 06, 2012, 06:15:19 am
Yeah, I can understand why you want Jmorph to not fall for my 'plz explain yourself' posts, since you yourself haven't even tried giving an explanation on pretty much anything, and the last time you didn't even wanna bother looking through my post history to back up anything of what you said. Can't you see that acting so arbitrarily will just make it harder for us to get along in the long run?

I already stopped regarding the 'America' subject seriously some time ago (since Shamrock times?) and have regarded it as a joke as of late. If anything, some other people seem to be the ones with a fixation on it. But whatever. ::)

Oh, I'm also gonna totally disregard what you are saying as a real warning- I'm not breaking any rules AFAIK nor derailing the topic at hand more significantly than any other forumite. Being banned over this? Pffft, don't make me laugh. Even you aren't that shortsighted and emotionally immature as to not notice that such a course of action would be plainly unfair.

EDIT:  Replied here to the below post to actually not derail the topic anymore.
I'm dropping it but not out of your petty threats and intimidation but because this is actually derailing the topic (and heck, I didn't start it). Feel free to start discussing the issue of my deserved? ban @ the staff thread whenever you want. Maybe you'll care to give your peers some explanations and arguments as to why I should be banned, since you can't give them to me? I'm quite certain some of them don't like me, but it's a long distance to a deserved ban, buddy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on April 06, 2012, 06:17:57 am
Oh, I'm also gonna totally disregard what you are saying as a real warning
And you're gonna totally be fake banned. Do not continue this discussion.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 06:31:20 am
EDIT:  Replied here to the below post to actually not derail the topic anymore.
that absolutely makes no difference, do you expect your post edit to just go ignored since it was an edit?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on April 06, 2012, 06:33:44 am
No, I actually PMd Rajaa about it. I'm not the kind to pull a ninja edit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 06, 2012, 06:34:21 am
why would you make a reply in an edit above the post, how would that help anything.

Are replies expected to be edited into the other posts as not to derail the thread?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 06:35:39 am
I'm not the kind to pull a ninja edit.
except for the part in which you just did. it's funny because in this same thread you were shitting on me for always trying to get the last word. hypocrite
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on April 06, 2012, 06:37:39 am
And did I not let YOU have the last word? I said YOU. Not every other user who hates me around here. :P


Iced, I dunno, thought it would help people move along, and if Rajaa actually wanted to do something useful (i.e. contacting you to discuss my possible ban) instead of just keep throwing empty threats, he'd know I had posted it because I told him via PM.

Seemed more reasonable than dragging this even more?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 06, 2012, 06:39:01 am
 o_O

It just dragged it even more as people now are asking you why would you even do that and you come off as not caring about said warnings and trying to find loops around them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 06, 2012, 06:39:19 am
cut your losses lasombra
this has turned into a clusterfuck

for everyone's sake end this conversation now
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on April 06, 2012, 06:43:53 am
Lasombra Demon. A simple hi turns into a rant
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 06, 2012, 07:04:15 am
Lasombra man this isn't worth it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 06, 2012, 07:28:08 am
Brief answer to the hugeass pm you sent me.


People replying to stuff you post that they find weird or strange arent persecuting you or harassing you. People talking to you about the stuff you post dont have it in for you, its not really related or as clear as that.

You are repeating the same stuff you were doing not even 15 days ago.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=63101.msg1537106#msg1537106
down to the bluff stuff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 06, 2012, 07:34:44 am
Uh, I'm not trying to persecute you. o_O
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 06, 2012, 07:41:03 am
you replied to him, that's all it takes

you have to remain silent while slowly walking away and never turn your back to him

you could also play dead until he walks away to find a new target

//edit: i would like to take this change to welcome our new global mods: j-pots, brony man and... that other guy. may death come to their enemies soon!

ugh, why is my... chest... hurting so much.....GAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 01:43:35 pm
So he quit as admin because he was abusing his authority and someone called him on it.

It's about time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on April 06, 2012, 01:53:32 pm
:stare:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on April 06, 2012, 01:54:15 pm
Can we please not have Round 5?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 01:59:15 pm
Sorry, I'm done with it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on April 06, 2012, 02:00:45 pm
So I saw Jmorphman is following the path of his master and became Gmod too.
Welcome to him and ponny guy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: kakkoii superhero on April 06, 2012, 02:31:51 pm
maybe I'm from different generation and different culture,
but I do think calling someone as "idiot" or other similar insulting manner is inappropriate
unless it is used jokingly. 

totally different from calling a post to be idiotic, because it means the post is the subject, and not the person.

while someone who is an idiot would be expected to always post idiotic posts no matter what he posts

it will make a biased perspective to someone who you already labeled as "idiot" and it also means you don't want this person to be better.

I don't point  this to anyone in particular. 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 06, 2012, 04:00:06 pm
it's been 3 days already, why are you guys still talking about titiln?!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on April 06, 2012, 04:18:56 pm
Possibly because he's done a lot for this place.  I wish I could think of something amusing regarding 3 days, titiln and the fact today is good Friday, but I have too many distractions to be clever.

:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 04:24:32 pm
Possibly because he's done a lot for this place.  I wish I could think of something amusing regarding 3 days, titiln and the fact today is good Friday, but I have too many distractions to be clever.

:bow:

I can't think of one good thing he's done for this place.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 04:32:49 pm
i banned you although i made a mistake in not making it permanent. i made the mistake of thinking you'd somehow improve and stop posting dumb bullshit and derailing people's threads, but i was wrong. maybe you're right i haven't done anything good
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mgbenz on April 06, 2012, 04:35:48 pm
Possibly because he's done a lot for this place.  I wish I could think of something amusing regarding 3 days, titiln and the fact today is good Friday, but I have too many distractions to be clever.

:bow:

I can't think of one good thing he's done for this place.

Can you PLEASE stop replying to this topic. You're not contributing to the discussion.


AT ALL.


And you even showed how your clueless about what happened judging by your previous post.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 04:38:04 pm
i banned you although i made a mistake in not making it permanent. i made the mistake of thinking you'd somehow improve and stop posting dumb bullshit and derailing people's threads, but i was wrong. maybe you're right i haven't done anything good

I am, you haven't done anything good.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on April 06, 2012, 04:45:36 pm
What horrible thing did you do to get banned?

 :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 04:48:48 pm
I lose track to be honest.

White-Knighting in PTan Mai's thread when it was getting bashed.

Saying I thought Ingrid was a worthless addition to the Streetfighter roster in an Ingrid release thread.

Though I do kind of regret the Ingrid thing, that was kind of unfair to the creator.

Crazykoopa I think but I could never find the guy to apologise.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on April 06, 2012, 04:54:14 pm
Don't forget ignoring Iced's, Rajaa's, and everyone else's advisement and still continuing to insinuate unnecessary tension in threads that were otherwise free of it.

Are you going to stop, man? We get it, you don't like Titiln. Like I told you before, if you don't like him, then it's probably best if you don't post in threads that have "Titiln" in their names and were made by Titiln himself. If he hurt your feelings, then that's too bad. I'm sure time will heal your wounds, as this isn't that serious. You don't need to keep posting  about how much you don't like Titiln. WE GET IT.

You're looking for trouble, as it is now. You not liking Titiln and Titiln resigning does not give you an excuse to go around in a couple of threads and post provocative comments.

Please stop. For the fifth time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 05:09:51 pm
That's fine then, I'll leave it.

Any comments I've ever said that could be accused of 'flame-baiting' are only viewed as such because the community on the whole is far too sensitive.

They need to lighten up because to be honest I can't even remember what I said offensive other than what I just posted and I'm not trudging through my post history to find anything offensive.

I'll apologise if it puts your soul at rest.

I'm sorry.

Their you go, I think I've covered everything right their and if I haven't then you'll have to let me know. I also apologise for the cheap shots at Titlin, I'll admit they are childish so I'm sorry about that too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 06, 2012, 05:12:10 pm
Any comments I've ever said that could be accused of 'flame-baiting' are only viewed as such because the community on the whole is far too sensitive.

And here you go again, insulting the community, I don't know how does your mind works but why did it tell you it was a good idea to insult the community while backing off on insulting one of it's members.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 06, 2012, 05:15:15 pm
it's ok if he's the one insulting others. because as he has proven before he is better than all of us
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on April 06, 2012, 05:19:26 pm
That's fine then, I'll leave it.
Yeah, except that you didn't stop.

Any comments I've ever said that could be accused of 'flame-baiting' are only viewed as such because the community on the whole is far too sensitive.
No. Your comments are flame-baiting because you're flaming baiting. Stop it. You can't justify your behavior. In fact, you seem the most sensitive because your wounds from Titiln are bleeding all over this forum and you can't shut up about him.

They need to lighten up because to be honest I can't even remember what I said offensive other than what I just posted and I'm not trudging through my post history to find anything offensive.
This is your problem. You don't know when you're being offensive. If you can't even control or understand your own self, then I don't think any other person can do much for you and I think I'm wasting my effort trying to get through to you. We don't enjoy banning people, give us other options, please.

I'll apologise if it puts your soul at rest.

I'm sorry.
Sepp is rolling in his grave (even though he isn't dead). This isn't an apology because you first told us that we are wrong (which we aren't), and then you gave the apology because you thought it'd make things better and only because you thought it'd make things better, not because you're actually sorry.

Their you go, I think I've covered everything right their and if I haven't then you'll have to let me know. I also apologise for the cheap shots at Titlin, I'll admit they are childish so I'm sorry about that too.
Yeah, this goes against your second line, but whatever, man. Please stop doing this forever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 05:20:51 pm
Any comments I've ever said that could be accused of 'flame-baiting' are only viewed as such because the community on the whole is far too sensitive.

And here you go again, insulting the community, I don't know how does your mind works but why did it tell you it was a good idea to insult the community while backing off on insulting one of it's members.

I think you just proved my statement to be pretty accurate their.

I'm not insulting the community.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 05:23:59 pm
this thread's been a parade of stupidity lately. who's next? can the staff unban da maverik to get his thoughts on the issue?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 06, 2012, 05:26:33 pm
Any comments I've ever said that could be accused of 'flame-baiting' are only viewed as such because the community on the whole is far too sensitive.

And here you go again, insulting the community, I don't know how does your mind works but why did it tell you it was a good idea to insult the community while backing off on insulting one of it's members.

I think you just proved my statement to be pretty accurate their.

I'm not insulting the community.

You are stupid.

I am not insulting you.

I will stop this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 06, 2012, 05:28:47 pm
@titiln
never

and who's fault do you think that is huh?

I think you just proved my statement to be pretty accurate their.

I'm not insulting the community.

if i were an asshole, i'd insult your terrible grammar
but i'm not, so i'll simply, once again, point out that you apparently don't know what the phrase 'drop it' means

do not respond to this post
simply stop posting

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 06, 2012, 05:29:02 pm
can we ban Zantetsuken already?

he clearly doesn't like this place and uses every opportunity he can to express it. he has not improved even after pretty much the whole staff has already told him what he is doing wrong and has been banned several times for the same behavior he continues to have.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 06, 2012, 05:35:15 pm
this thread's been a parade of stupidity lately. who's next? can the staff unban da maverik to get his thoughts on the issue?

Nah let's go get Tetsuo999999999999999999999999999
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 05:53:00 pm
can we ban Zantetsuken already?

he clearly doesn't like this place and uses every opportunity he can to express it. he has not improved even after pretty much the whole staff has already told him what he is doing wrong and has been banned several times for the same behavior he continues to have.

I don't dislike anyone.

I just don't feel I should be answerable to people I don't know.

Your just names on a computer screen to me.

I would treat people as people if they weren't acting like opinionated pricks.

To be honest that only really goes out to a few people. Some guys on here are friendly and outgoing but quite a lot are angry at the world.

Has Mugen always been this way?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 05:56:22 pm
I don't dislike anyone.
On the subject of Titlin. He doesn't like me and I don't like him, simple really.
well ok then
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on April 06, 2012, 05:56:38 pm
Hey, Zantetsuken, since you keep claiming you're gonna stop and then slinging insults and then claiming you're going to stop again, you're gone forever since this is the fourth time we've addressed this issue with you since last year. And you've also been given dozens of chances this time.

You ignored my last post and my last personal message.

Future endeavors; etc.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 06, 2012, 05:57:12 pm
Your just names on a computer screen to me.

oh, that's so cool !

I gues that you phone call someone they are just voices in a  plastic box, when you people on television they are just images in a tv set and when you met someone in person they are just lumps of meat.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 06, 2012, 05:57:30 pm
Thank you Rajaa. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 05:57:56 pm
Same to you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JeanBureau on April 06, 2012, 06:20:12 pm
why did you ban DA_Maverik ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 06, 2012, 06:22:11 pm
Read the thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 06, 2012, 08:28:12 pm
due to pure jealousy from iced's part

Your just names on a computer screen to me.
if titiln is just a name on the screen then why does he bother you so much? ::)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 06, 2012, 08:30:11 pm
enough on zantetsuken

let's try to keep this thread open for actual discussion
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on April 06, 2012, 09:38:56 pm
why did you ban DA_Maverik ?
his ego simply got in the way.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 06, 2012, 10:32:44 pm
enough on zantetsuken
well, you are talking about him in the warnings thread so.... does that means we can talk about him now?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 06, 2012, 10:37:17 pm
discuss if you think rajaa was justified in banning him

do not take jabs at him now that he's gone
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on April 07, 2012, 12:22:02 am
He was justified to give him a ban but not a permaban... I don't think he is much of a retard to be banned forever... a 4 month ban sounds fair I think, the guy is willing to learn from his mistakes and wants to take some time off from here anyways (he told me so), Ill say give him another chance Mr. Rajaa
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 07, 2012, 12:32:16 am
Well, he kept on dragging the argument, I think it was pretty justified. However, if it really was a permaban seems a bit severe. What's the criteria for such a serious measure, anyway?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 07, 2012, 01:04:42 am
he was previously banned on similar grounds several times and has shown no signs of improvement whatsoever. at this point a permaban is appropriate
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 07, 2012, 01:09:09 am
The pragmatist in me agrees with you guys but...

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_U6QzkNLzC1I/Sx6bHtC3cHI/AAAAAAAAALA/3LO72U9PX1M/s320/devil%2Band%2Bangel%2Bhomer2.jpg)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 07, 2012, 01:11:46 am
He was justified to give him a ban but not a permaban...
well he's been banned several times before for basically the same reasons and has not changed at all. he has also been explained the reasons by most of the staff but he is keeping his mentalilty that everyone else is who's wrong and now him

well he can be annoying but is barely active and is not the kind of user you'll call the mods immediately if you run into him. could become a regular user if he just decided to just OPEN HIS HEART and stop bringing bak pointless arguments he can't even back up
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on April 07, 2012, 03:23:00 pm
He also stated he disliked this community, so I don't think he will miss us that much. And as people said, he hasn't changed since day 1, and IMO someone unable to change (read Peterfoster here) isn't worth keeping around if he just brings problems.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: momo! on April 08, 2012, 03:59:54 am
titiln did the right thing in stepping down. For too long everything's been focused on people getting into arguments with him(including me!) and now that he's stepped down there's no basis for any such attacks because he's not an admin anymore and no longer reflects MFG staff.

Now we can all get along and be friends again AND WATCH COMMUNITY :sweetheart:


also, wasn't surprised to see zantetsuken go. kind of looked like he wanted it a bit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 08, 2012, 04:03:37 am
yeah i was the only staff member people got into arguments with
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: momo! on April 08, 2012, 04:05:05 am
no but they got into arguments with you a lot more than others D:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 08, 2012, 04:13:41 am
yes stupid people that want to get into arguments with you just because of your position instead of what you do or say are the most important thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 08, 2012, 04:37:48 am
I'm going to punch anyone who posts anything that continues this discussion.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on April 08, 2012, 05:00:58 am
what is your favorite cake flavor
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: momo! on April 08, 2012, 05:03:23 am
I'm going to punch anyone who posts anything that continues this discussion.

AIM FOR THE BALLS. okay I'll stop now
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on April 08, 2012, 05:05:28 am
God fucking dammit. Not random shit. This isn't a thread for random shit. It is MEANT to be serious. If you feel someone is in trouble for unjustified reasons, or we haven't punished them correctly, bring it up.

Don't talk about really old shit if you can help it. You've had ages in feedback to do that regardless if it actually offended you.

Below post deleted. Stay on topic properly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on April 09, 2012, 02:38:25 pm
About Luigi's alternative account comment, I'm sure he created it to answer questions/reports/feedback about his character in this thread:

http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=140018.0
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on April 09, 2012, 02:48:50 pm
So? People don't get their bans lifted just because they want to post.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on April 09, 2012, 03:40:09 pm
I was just saying why he suddenly tried to create an alternative account, that's all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on April 09, 2012, 03:41:03 pm
We know why he made the account. We saw his post.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on April 09, 2012, 10:54:25 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=140331.msg1549635;boardseen#new

Wait a minute... why do you delete that post?? >:( I said Matt that he can post about it in my WIP thread to avoid the offtopic in the Gai release thread
I think this chat could continue in my WIP thread a la POTS, see my sig to get the thread (and don't worry about bumping ;) )
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on April 09, 2012, 10:55:50 pm
Whoops. Sorry about that. I sent him a PM.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on April 09, 2012, 11:11:49 pm
Can you get back that post, or there's no return if it was deleted?? >:(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on April 09, 2012, 11:14:27 pm
It's back.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on April 09, 2012, 11:15:57 pm
Great, thanks :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 09, 2012, 11:17:21 pm
a post offering help should never be deleted, less so if it's in a thread started by an active member
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on April 09, 2012, 11:18:55 pm
GOH, if you were a waitress you'd be whisking away my plate before I finished my sammich!

 ;P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on April 09, 2012, 11:21:29 pm
To be fair if I was half asleep I may have done the same thing. But it's all fixed now. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on April 09, 2012, 11:22:05 pm
GOH, if you were a waitress you'd be whisking away my plate before I finished my sammich!

 ;P
You don't get to eat the sammiches you make!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 10, 2012, 01:24:16 am
but I do :smartass:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on April 12, 2012, 02:50:47 am
Good job Missbe for being the first staff member to create a system or rule on the bannings. Kudos.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on April 12, 2012, 12:51:20 pm
So far no agreement has been reached on that Shamrock.  I guess it's no big secret I think the current system is unfair, biased, inconsistent and so on.

:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on April 12, 2012, 01:07:03 pm
You think any system that doesn't only ban someone when they post pictures of themselves in the White House with a bomb strapped to their chest is unfair, biased, and inconsistent.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on April 12, 2012, 01:12:54 pm
^ thats true, but I'm also willing to compromise.  Too bad you see anyone who disagrees with you as some sort of personal insult to your authority and "power".  Banning someone "forever" just because you can and with no discussion at all is unfair. 

:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on April 12, 2012, 01:16:53 pm
I've never been personally insulted about my "power" and the only time I'm personally insulted here is when someone says my work is P.o.t.S styled. So you're banned forever. Feel free to reduce it if you think it's too much.

;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 12, 2012, 03:58:36 pm
pots work is rajaa styled.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on April 13, 2012, 04:55:27 pm
I am personally insulted, not pushed to the brink of insanity. :ninja:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 18, 2012, 12:27:38 am
Iced said:
forgot to mention but i did shave a week off gbk ban.
what a pussy
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on June 27, 2012, 04:25:39 pm
Wow, did Volzilla even go as far as manipulating other users? I thought he calmed down after that incident in which he tried to manipulate Caddie when he joined as a staff member. Apart from ahrimanes, how many people suffered the same? Not asking for names, unless there's no problem saying this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on June 27, 2012, 04:39:02 pm
maybe you missed this thread in Mugen Discussion

http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=142379.0
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on June 27, 2012, 04:41:57 pm
Oh, thx. I missed it.

---

So in the end, was Volzilla banned forever from MFG because of this?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 27, 2012, 05:58:32 pm
I wish he had learned to take a step back. I've stayed out of this since the two of us set our differences aside.

However I think I owe the community an apology for setting that two year feud off, that caused at least two of his bans. If I hadn't, then it wouldn't have come to this, and he would've been a much friendlier guy. That whole feud caused a lot of problems, and had I not have been a dick like that in 2009 then we wouldn't be here. Yes, I am taking account for my own actions. I may not have been involved in this particular issue (I was at work), but if I hadn't sparked that feud off then Volzzilla would not be the person he is now (no offense). I know it's late, but I figured I should do it at some point.

tl;dr: The feud was my fault, and I'm apologizing for that now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on June 27, 2012, 06:10:48 pm
So in the end, was Volzilla banned forever from MFG because of this?
Yep.

I wish he had learned to take a step back. I've stayed out of this since the two of us set our differences aside.

However I think I owe the community an apology for setting that two year feud off, that caused at least two of his bans. If I hadn't, then it wouldn't have come to this, and he would've been a much friendlier guy. That whole feud caused a lot of problems, and had I not have been a dick like that in 2009 then we wouldn't be here. Yes, I am taking account for my own actions. I may not have been involved in this particular issue (I was at work), but if I hadn't sparked that feud off then Volzzilla would not be the person he is now (no offense). I know it's late, but I figured I should do it at some point.

tl;dr: The feud was my fault, and I'm apologizing for that now.
Even if you never got into arguments with volzilla, I still think he'd still behave the same way. His friendliness or lack thereof wasn't really an issue; he could've been really friendly and still tried to force people to adhere to his own MUGEN rules.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 27, 2012, 06:32:52 pm
Can't really tell at this point though.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on June 28, 2012, 10:35:01 am
You didn't turn him into the "evil monster" he is and you're in no way responsible for his horrible, manipulative personality.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 28, 2012, 03:27:12 pm
From what I'm hearing (the person who told me does not want me to share the details), you are correct.

I did feel like a jackass for causing all that though.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on July 01, 2012, 06:11:13 am
You needn't. The sheer amount of effort you put into getting along and eventually trusting him actually says you acted more than properly. You are judging yourself too harshly on this one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on July 01, 2012, 09:06:00 pm
You are wrong.  ;D
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 06, 2012, 02:59:25 pm
Rajaa said:
Sigh.

http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?action=profile;u=80014

Check post history.

Will probably edit this post with a ban if I don't get a reply to my personal message or if the reply to my personal message is noncompliant

Modification:
Banned him for a week.
Fuck, I was only getting started. :(
Well then, more raping in a week I guess. ::)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 06, 2012, 03:27:23 pm
it takes surprisingly little to get your mean machine going o_O[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/hmmm.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on July 06, 2012, 03:30:22 pm
you guys keep thrashing those threads before i get in a shitty egyptian rapist joke
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on July 06, 2012, 03:40:53 pm
lol @that guy and his racist thread. Wonder what drugs he took
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 06, 2012, 03:41:38 pm
it takes surprisingly little to get your mean machine going o_O
It takes much more to actually get me angry. But yeah, being mean on the internet (or IRL, for that matter) is easy to trigger. I hate stupidity. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 06, 2012, 03:52:48 pm
Cybaster went ham in the racist topic. :D
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 06, 2012, 04:04:06 pm
Holy shit what did I miss
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: LM_MAVERIK on July 06, 2012, 04:11:44 pm
Holy shit what did I miss

not much, just one crazy egytian kid some where between the age of 5 to 8 years old venting his anger and trying to enforce his law that anime sucks, which then spiralled into a racial slagging off match rated "PG". you didnt miss much at all. it was like a handicapped kid in a circle of bullies.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 06, 2012, 07:22:07 pm
you guys keep thrashing those threads before i get in a shitty egyptian rapist joke
what

also because his thread was trashed:
DC is shit, except for Batman and sometimes Superman.
ur a dump french >:[
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on July 06, 2012, 10:54:47 pm
Nah, just ban forever that stupid pharaoh motherfucker :twisted:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 07, 2012, 12:45:44 am
DC is shit, except for Batman and sometimes Superman.
ur a dump french >:[
But it's true. I LOVE the Batman universe. I bought many comics, played video games from Genesis to today. He's my favourite Comic book character far in front any Marvel character.
Then, Superman is tolerable, sometimes.
But the rest, Green Lantern, Wonderwoman and the others ... I couldn't care less about them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 07, 2012, 12:54:56 am
But the rest, Green Lantern, Wonderwoman and the others ... I couldn't care less about them.
Well that sounds like a personal problem! >8[
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 07, 2012, 12:58:40 am
Shut up or I'll put you in a yellow room ! >:)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 07, 2012, 01:07:09 am
Green Lanterns haven't had a yellow weakness since the 90s! >:[
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on July 07, 2012, 01:22:24 am
But the rest, Green Lantern, Wonderwoman and the others ... I couldn't care less about them.
Well that sounds like a personal problem! >8[

isnt that the general opinion?

I mean..what other DC Comic character beside Batman and Super Man got successful media appereances like in multiple movies and well..tv series?

Th most people dont even know that there are any other dc characters, its not cool but thats the truth!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on July 07, 2012, 01:27:04 am
(http://images.wikia.com/watchmen/images/d/d0/Watchmen.jpg)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 07, 2012, 01:31:50 am
Green Lantern, Supergirl, Swamp Thing, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, Green Arrow, and The Flash for live action.

Justice League, Teen Titans/Young Justice, Legion of Superheroes for cartoons.

but uh this is all off topic sorry
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on July 07, 2012, 01:39:08 am
Still waiting for Question and Huntress: the Animated Series. Best part of Justice League Unlimited.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 07, 2012, 01:45:30 am
Great example you guys >:C
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on July 07, 2012, 03:40:44 am
This thread is cursed to go off topic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 07, 2012, 03:43:15 am
So I get brought up into decisions over a Font. What's the big idea? Lol. I'm not doing anything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs Sese Seko Nkuku Ngben... on July 07, 2012, 03:54:46 am
It looks gimmicky, and you know that our userbase loves gimmicks. Please stop now, before it gets too obnoxious.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Person Man on July 07, 2012, 03:57:15 am
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordava3.png[/avatar]
So I get brought up into decisions over a Font. What's the big idea? Lol. I'm not doing anything.

You know exactly what the big idea is, "dear."  This princess shtick of yours has caused more than its fair share of problems before.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on July 07, 2012, 03:59:38 am
You've been asked several times by the staff to knock off the Princess roleplaying bullcrap you keep doing. And no matter how many times you stop for some reason you're apparently compelled to go back and keep doing it again. I have no idea why doing that is worth risking being banned for.

Navana, you are fine being Navana. You were just fine making stages, your stages were good and improving. You don't need to filter your photos, you look fine without it. And you don't need to post under some gimmick that is intentionally meant to be obnoxious. Trust me, I've been there. Just be you.

Please listen to me because I think you could contribute a lot to Mugen and I really don't want you banned from here. But you're heading into that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on July 07, 2012, 06:04:09 am
I don't see any problem with that font. I can read the posts just fine and it's not distracting at all.

Don't give the attention seeker undeserved attention, guys. Let him play his own self out. Come back when he makes all his posts invisible.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on July 07, 2012, 06:32:22 am
DC is shit, except for Batman and sometimes Superman.
HOW 'BOUT I SLAP YOUR SHIT AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT?!

... want to see me do it again?
[avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/avatars/flashBIG.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 07, 2012, 10:23:46 am
I made a Batman, thus you are inferior.

@MC2 : completely forgot Watchment were DC. Yeah, they're cool too, I'll give you that. At least they're not included in the DC Clusterfuck Wars (I think/hope).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 2OS on July 07, 2012, 10:53:41 am
Quote
Held out longer than I thought he would.  Thoughts?

Jesus Copyright Christ, they put Smash in the tags again.  You're not doing yourselves any favors here, Sony.

I definitely agree.

http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?action=profile;user=Muirtower
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on July 07, 2012, 11:35:39 am
The font isn't the main thing people have a problem with.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 07, 2012, 05:15:19 pm
the use of font combined with ohohoho im a princess means this is another attempt to grab attention, which is a bad thing that hundreds of people have calmly explained to him. navana has learned absolutely fucking nothing
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on July 07, 2012, 07:11:58 pm
oh noooooo that guy is being an attention whore and we're giving him attention, what ever shall we dooooooooo?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 07, 2012, 07:25:28 pm

http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?action=profile;user=Muirtower

Someone else uses the exact same font as well. Lol.

I also didn't know agreeing with someones post was a way to try and grab attention. If you don't want anyone using the fonts, what's the point of them being here? I'm not mad at anyone, it's just I can't do anything different here without one of you guys jumping me. I like the font style, that's all. I haven't done anything bad.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on July 07, 2012, 07:37:46 pm
Thats a point.

If its not allowed to use the fonts..why are they avaiable :-)

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on July 07, 2012, 07:39:02 pm
You're also allowed to post, but that doesn't mean post shit. Invalid point.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs Sese Seko Nkuku Ngben... on July 07, 2012, 07:43:56 pm
Thats a point.
If its not allowed to use the fonts..why are they avaiable :-)

Default board settings  :P

I still think that using a different font is a bad way to stand out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 07, 2012, 07:45:42 pm
I shouldn't get in trouble for using a font though. I was still posting respectfully. Lol. I wasn't doing anything wrong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 07, 2012, 07:48:58 pm
The thing is you've done it before in connection to attention whoring, and they don't want to see it again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 07, 2012, 07:50:12 pm
Guys, unless navana is posting in gimmicks of being a princess or if gbk is posting in gimmicks of being a art director or if jmorphman is pretending to be an aien troll that cant type right or koakuma is posting in gimmicks of being a /v/tard I dont see much of a reason to be bothered by any of them.

Dont knee jerk reaction into them, although i know its hard.

Navana their reaction was due to how you escalated before, although you werent doing it yet, theyve seen you start it up a few times before.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on July 07, 2012, 07:51:53 pm
your words wound me, sir
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 07, 2012, 07:52:29 pm
Navana their reaction was due to how you escalated before, although you werent doing it yet, theyve seen you start it up a few times before.
I completely understand. And I am not trying to cause any issues. There will be no gimmick. Just the font. Nothing more. I never intended to have the gimmick anymore. Just the font. I apologize for anyones misconceptions. It will only be the font, nothing else
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs Sese Seko Nkuku Ngben... on July 07, 2012, 07:53:26 pm
But his post WERE gimmicky.

But of course. Those are the only other three I can think of. Do not forget about NANCY however, dear.

So who do you all think, basing it on who is left, will be in? ~ And if I may also add this, the viewers on YouTube are a bit upset that Gon has not been added. Yet it appears they do not know he has already been deconfirmed. Haha!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 07, 2012, 07:54:26 pm
Then there was a reason to react, I hadnt noticed that post, people were just linking to the others where only the font was being used.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 07, 2012, 07:54:34 pm
But his post WERE gimmicky.

But of course. Those are the only other three I can think of. Do not forget about NANCY however, dear.

So who do you all think, basing it on who is left, will be in? ~ And if I may also add this, the viewers on YouTube are a bit upset that Gon has not been added. Yet it appears they do not know he has already been deconfirmed. Haha!
ONE POST. And I stopped myself very early because I remember what you guys said and what happened.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 07, 2012, 07:56:19 pm
Alright then. Please dont derail into that again, okay?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 07, 2012, 07:58:22 pm
I won't do the gimmick anymore Iced. Just the font. I promise.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on July 11, 2012, 04:07:54 pm
The font IS part of the gimmick. Stop that, dammit.

Fucking Comic Sans is an insult to humanity
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 11, 2012, 04:10:24 pm
why? are you having trouble reading it properly? :hugoi:

hey ,did you know you could delete fonts on your system?[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/sceptical.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 11, 2012, 04:13:14 pm
Comic Sans an insult to humanity? Holy shit it's just a font, calm down.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 11, 2012, 04:14:19 pm
Good thing they are only going to blow up the pyramids, not replace them by Comic Sans or worse :uhoh:[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/puhleez.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 11, 2012, 04:34:56 pm
PYRAMID
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on July 11, 2012, 04:38:35 pm
The whole font gimmick/thing Navana's done could have been worse. He could have appended a gigantic second avatar to the left side of each of his posts, (http://sleepywood.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1683901) nothing screams "LOOK AT ME" more than that.

But I don't want to give anyone any ideas.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 11, 2012, 04:40:17 pm
Haha, wow. That forum is completely unreadable. :lugoi:[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/eh.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on July 11, 2012, 05:29:22 pm
Whats so wrong with comic sans anyway?

Speaking about fonts, some videogame fonts would be cool!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 11, 2012, 05:33:52 pm
why would you need that at all
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on July 11, 2012, 05:37:02 pm
i dont know

maybe for the first posts in threads of big games or game series like the big Resident Evil one

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 11, 2012, 05:37:20 pm
images
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on July 12, 2012, 04:54:59 pm
Spoiler: more about comic sans (click to see content)



Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 12, 2012, 05:05:01 pm
Why are we stilll going on about Comic Sans? ~
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 12, 2012, 05:05:32 pm
Being purposefully ignorant of the negative implications to Graphic Design Theory (yes, part of a valid profession) is as bad as supporting Intelligent Design.

that's not what I get from that link you posted, at all. and no, it's not.[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/nosir.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 12, 2012, 05:08:52 pm
I TOLD YOU MAN

I TOLD YOU ABOUT COMIC SANS
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 12, 2012, 05:09:06 pm
that's an exagerated reaction.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 12, 2012, 05:11:25 pm
i dont really care anymore, i put navana on ignore
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 12, 2012, 05:13:05 pm
i dont really care anymore, i put navana on ignore

fixed
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on July 12, 2012, 05:34:16 pm
titiln is a weakling, taking the cowards way out of having to deal with shitty posters
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 12, 2012, 05:36:08 pm
there's only so much i can do at this point sorry
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on July 12, 2012, 08:15:55 pm
Being purposefully ignorant of the negative implications to Graphic Design Theory (yes, part of a valid profession) is as bad as supporting Intelligent Design.

that's not what I get from that link you posted, at all. and no, it's not.

Quoted for the truth.

What the fudge. Insult to humanity? Comparable to intelligent design? No. Just no.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on July 12, 2012, 08:22:15 pm
its a shitty font which speaks volumes about someones character and intelligence

the end
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 12, 2012, 08:24:17 pm
its a shitty font which speaks volumes about someones character and intelligence

the end
How does font selection have anything to do with intelligence?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on July 12, 2012, 08:25:40 pm
Grade schoolers use comic sans.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 12, 2012, 08:27:09 pm
I dunno man
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 12, 2012, 08:27:58 pm
Grade schoolers use comic sans.
So do hospitals. And offices. And churches. And restaurants. And more, according to that comicsanscriminal site.

It has nothing to do with intelligence.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on July 12, 2012, 08:31:17 pm
I have never seen a GOOD restaurant/office/whatever the fuck use comic sans, and I live in fucking INDIA. a third world country.


also you used church in the same sentence with intelligence :smug: :smug:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 12, 2012, 08:43:52 pm
If you're questioning my intelligence, I'll be more than happy to prove to you a font does not show what kind of intelligence level I have.

(http://aliencyborgs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/mario_superPrincessPeach-laughing.gif)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on July 12, 2012, 08:44:12 pm
Of all the things you could be bitching about, you choose a font.  A minor, insignificant, unimportant detail.  Not even a visually intrusive or eye rape font either.  Holy shit, what is wrong with you all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on July 12, 2012, 08:45:09 pm
Font in correlation with intelligence? KOD is obviously trolling!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 12, 2012, 10:11:29 pm
Grade schoolers use comic sans.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 13, 2012, 12:18:49 am
So do people at CERN, aka the guys who just found the Higgs Boson. I guess they're stupid. :(
But still, they have a Lv.0 in presentation design.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on July 13, 2012, 12:33:05 am
Val: Please be a cock to everyone who hates that font and make it the default for the forum for a couple of days.

There is no rational reason to hate comic sans, you dont' have to like it, but complaining about it is sillier than using it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 13, 2012, 12:37:08 am
That would be the most sinister thing I'd ever see you do if it was done.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 13, 2012, 02:57:48 am
That would be the most sinister thing I'd ever see you do if it was done.
Cyanide is awakening to the dark side, next thing you know, he will be raping tifa.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on July 13, 2012, 10:48:27 am
(http://i.imgur.com/ixVNG.gif)

as a fan of typography this discussion affects me a great deal :(
(stop derailing, you idiots. jeepers)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Chasenuva1 on July 18, 2012, 02:41:42 am
I have been instructed as follows:

"Since MUGEN Infantry is down, that forum is the only place I can think of to get feedback on Scarlet.

Tell them this:

"Luigi1632 is asking for his account ban to be lifted, so he can release his characters.
He says this is the only decent place he can think of to get decent feedback, since MUGEN Infantry is down.""
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 18, 2012, 02:54:24 am
Or if you'd like to admit your Luigi1632, that'd be fine too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 18, 2012, 05:50:49 am
There's way too much negative stigmata from how he was in 2009. Bringing him back would be like sending a wounded, bleeding seal into a pool of starving sharks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 18, 2012, 06:34:58 am
That is a fantastic analogy. lol
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Chasenuva1 on July 18, 2012, 06:55:22 am
I am not him, but other than linking you to a different forum, I have no idea how to prove it.



From Luigi:
"simply reply with this:
"Luigi says he doesn't care, since he only cares about releasing Scarlet himself, without having other people,because he feels like it's a burden to them.""
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on July 18, 2012, 10:25:00 am
He already got his character announced by someone else on the forum, and didn't get much feedback either way, so lifting his ban won't change anything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Joulz on July 18, 2012, 12:00:52 pm
Quote
From Luigi:
"simply reply with this:
"Luigi says he doesn't care, since he only cares about releasing Scarlet himself, without having other people,because he feels like it's a burden to them.""

how can you quote him, telling you to quote him, while HE's quoting himself using the third person o_O that is awesome
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on July 18, 2012, 12:07:31 pm
^Lmao. Great observation.

And there's no reason to lie. If you want to make a alternate account to plead for another chance, that's okay to any extent, but don't lie about it. Lying about it is ignominious and certainly not the way to be readmitted.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on July 18, 2012, 12:15:36 pm
Question. What's so bad about him that a second chance isn't even considered by most users?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 18, 2012, 12:46:58 pm
Indeed, I don't even recall he exists, apart from other users saying how shitty he is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on July 18, 2012, 12:53:04 pm
To be honest, I don't know what he did either. Usually when I don't know why a person was banned forever, that person was banned by Titiln.

But he said he had autism and that that was an excuse for him to be a shitty poster. He literally made a post that said that. He claims nobody loves him and that's he's an antisocial psychopath who doesn't need attention from anyone, especially girls.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Joulz on July 18, 2012, 12:57:24 pm
since when is autism an acceptable excuse for a shitty forum post anyway? what's next: "your post sucked" "hey sorry i'm french"?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on July 18, 2012, 12:59:14 pm
He also released a character before but did a poor work with him, for the whole reason of getting views in his website, which lead to his website being censored. So whoever bothered to give him feedback wasted his time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Veanko on July 18, 2012, 01:48:26 pm
But he said he had autism and that that was an excuse for him to be a shitty poster. He literally made a post that said that. He claims nobody loves him and that's he's an antisocial psychopath who doesn't need attention from anyone, especially girls.

what kind of fucking excuse is that? i have autism(though its kind of mild) and i don't act like a complete shithead.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on July 18, 2012, 01:58:09 pm
Can he even prove that he has autism? For all we know, he could be lying as an excuse for his bad posting.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MelvanaInChains on July 18, 2012, 02:05:56 pm
since when is autism an acceptable excuse for a shitty forum post anyway? what's next: "your post sucked" "hey sorry i'm french"?

this has pretty much happened, anyone who remembers that vampireky0 nutcase can second this. at least i think that was his name
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 18, 2012, 02:15:22 pm
But he said he had autism and that that was an excuse for him to be a shitty poster. He literally made a post that said that. He claims nobody loves him and that's he's an antisocial psychopath who doesn't need attention from anyone, especially girls.

what kind of fucking excuse is that? i have autism(though its kind of mild) and i don't act like a complete shithead.

Veanko you behave like a normal person. There have been people that act like anti social douche nozzles while claiming to have aspergers or autism and how that justifies their behaviour . One even went as far as telling me that a forum post made him cry and that we needed to act upon it.  People that far off arent usually apt to post in public forums, and its not the staff job to babysit people with mental problems.
I dont care if someone is actually a vampire, or if they are married to inuyasha, or if they have a deep believe in odin that prevents them from posting like a normal person and forces them to persecute others, they are not welcome.About

Drewsky got banned over repeated instances, but if there are enough people thinking he deserves another chance we could give him another go, suggestions, ask Dshiznet about him nowadays, since dshiz was dealing with him a lot in MI.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Chasenuva1 on July 18, 2012, 02:22:52 pm
Quote
From Luigi:
"simply reply with this:
"Luigi says he doesn't care, since he only cares about releasing Scarlet himself, without having other people,because he feels like it's a burden to them.""

how can you quote him, telling you to quote him, while HE's quoting himself using the third person o_O that is awesome

Exactly like this.
--> http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z373/chasenuva1/Capture-21.png
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on July 18, 2012, 03:35:06 pm
He also released a character before but did a poor work with him, for the whole reason of getting views in his website, which lead to his website being censored. So whoever bothered to give him feedback wasted his time.

Wait wait wait... you're not talking about LucasX3(Dark) are you?

I thought his name sounded familiar.

Can he even prove that he has autism? For all we know, he could be lying as an excuse for his bad posting.

IMO, that's kind of the stigma behind it. So many people have claimed autism as justification for their bad posting that autism has more or less become synonymous with bad posting, and any claim of such disabilities simply can't be taken as seriously as they should be. It's even become sort of an in-joke in certain places *cough4chancough*.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 18, 2012, 03:44:13 pm
"I'm not doing any ban evasion, and do not make shitty posts! The shitty posts made by a user who has the same IP as me come from my brother, who has autism! He wrote them, I'm innocent! True story."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 18, 2012, 04:08:21 pm
He's done some pretty....undesireable posting at MI, like IIRC he said he wasn't sad at all that his mom died or something.
http://forum.mugen-infantry.net/index.php?topic=147801.msg1477860#msg1477860 Found it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 18, 2012, 04:20:13 pm
ugh... i wish i didn't read that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on July 18, 2012, 04:21:55 pm
"I'm not doing any ban evasion, and do not make shitty posts! The shitty posts made by a user who has the same IP as me come from my brother, who has autism! He wrote them, I'm innocent! True story."

Oh yeah, the brother excuse too. Forgot all about that one. Didn't Peter Foster try that one (and fail) already?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 18, 2012, 04:36:01 pm
I kinda feel bad for him now :([avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/crying.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 18, 2012, 04:57:20 pm
"I'm not doing any ban evasion, and do not make shitty posts! The shitty posts made by a user who has the same IP as me come from my brother, who has autism! He wrote them, I'm innocent! True story."

Oh yeah, the brother excuse too. Forgot all about that one. Didn't Peter Foster try that one (and fail) already?

What didn't he try?

Hell I still remember the originator of the brother story; MKREQUIEM/badmannomore back in 2008.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 18, 2012, 06:11:35 pm
I think everyone has tried it. Even I did it, but I actually used my brother.

No, seriously! Seriously, guys! Guys, c'mon!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 18, 2012, 06:15:06 pm
Drewsky got banned over repeated instances
Luigi isn't Drewski you dumbass.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on July 18, 2012, 06:21:02 pm
Uh-oh.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on July 18, 2012, 07:40:10 pm
I think everyone has tried it.

Volzilla hasn't, AFAIK
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on July 18, 2012, 07:54:07 pm
Drewsky got banned over repeated instances
Luigi isn't Drewski you dumbass.

the longer you stay here the more blurred the distinction between shitposters are

(luigi does not deserve another chance. imo.)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 18, 2012, 07:59:57 pm
I don't see any harm in unbanning Luigi.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Veanko on July 18, 2012, 08:04:32 pm
i agree. the only reason Luigi was banned is because Mario keeps stealing the spotlight from him! Luigi only had a few games of his own(most of them being shit)while Mario has a bunch.


.....why was Luigi banned anyway?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 18, 2012, 08:06:37 pm
From what I remember, he was very emo, very drama bait, and he resorted to spamming releases with godawful creations and palettes to advertise his forum which was filtered.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 18, 2012, 08:08:06 pm
Hey did you guys ever notice that this thread is named "Feedback to Warnings.", and the "." gets shortened to "..." in the forum index? :blank:

Um, sorry. Carry on.[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/strollingalong.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Chasenuva1 on July 18, 2012, 08:41:45 pm
(http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z373/chasenuva1/Capture-22.png)

(The following is to Luigi):
I will post all of it anyway because I feel like it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on July 18, 2012, 09:40:41 pm
http://forum.mugen-infantry.net/index.php?topic=148460.msg1483471#msg1483471

I kinda feel bad for him now :(

He pretends to be a psychopath because he thinks it makes him cool, enigmatic, and unique. No need to feel sorry for him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 18, 2012, 09:43:40 pm
Quote
I don't really care if I act stupid on the internet, in fact I don't even care that I'm a autistic hikkimori who does nothing but read books and work on MUGEN stuff, along with writing a novel about 9/11,Chernobyl and revival of the Axis(and the allies).
:stare::stare::stare::stare::stare:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on July 18, 2012, 09:48:50 pm
He's done some pretty....undesireable posting at MI, like IIRC he said he wasn't sad at all that his mom died or something.
http://forum.mugen-infantry.net/index.php?topic=147801.msg1477860#msg1477860 Found it
Hmm can't believe I didn't see that before considering I followed the topic closely.
I don't see any harm in unbanning Luigi.
Hmm I want to use the whole "People change" excuse to support him but looking at his MI stuff, it doesn't seem like he's changed from the way you guys mention his past events, seems like he's become worse... =/
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 18, 2012, 09:53:42 pm
If he is worse then he'll be banned again.

Also, he seems to have been banned because he kept spamming his website, which I personally don't think requires a permaban.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on July 18, 2012, 09:57:16 pm
I say give him what he wants: feedback for his Scarlet char and nothing more, that doesn't mean he has to be unbanned. If he took that feedback or not shouldn't be important, you don't need to care about him since he's already banned and Chasenuva seems to be his representant instead Luigi with another account (as it seems in his pics, a typical anime forum out there)

I mean, do you want to revive all that shitty episode with him just for a character?? c'mon guys :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on July 18, 2012, 09:59:41 pm
If questionable mental health was cause for banning then half the memberbase would be inactive, what with the way people like to play keyboard psychologist on the internet and all.

I don't see any harm in unbanning him.  Besides he can always get banned again if he fucks up.  I don't see why spamming his website was a big deal since members do it on here anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 18, 2012, 10:01:16 pm
I say give him what he wants: feedback for his Scarlet char and nothing more, that doesn't mean he has to be unbanned.
He's probably gonna get the same amount of feedback he got when he had someone else post his character. I'm not really concerned about that. I just think his ban should be reevaluated because it's been like 2 years, he was banned over something that didn't really require him to be permabanned, and he's asking to come back.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on July 18, 2012, 10:04:26 pm
Hmm the forum has given other chances to other users before...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on July 18, 2012, 10:07:40 pm
unban him, and ban all the people who still goes to MI. Fair trade.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on July 18, 2012, 10:09:02 pm
^
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 18, 2012, 10:14:10 pm
Goes to show that time heals all.

Im all for unbanning him for the time being.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on July 18, 2012, 10:17:26 pm
Now, the defense rises for the unbanning of Kung_Fu_Man.

*crickets*
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 18, 2012, 10:22:10 pm
Now, the defense rises for the unbanning of Kung_Fu_Man.
Don't even joke.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 18, 2012, 10:22:37 pm
Now, the defense rises for the unbanning of Kung_Fu_Man.

*crickets*

+1
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on July 18, 2012, 10:31:02 pm
If we're unbanning Luiginumbers, we might as well unban Kaffum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 18, 2012, 10:32:11 pm
Luigi is harmless.

KFM is not.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 18, 2012, 10:35:55 pm
KFM is harmless.

Luigi is not.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 18, 2012, 10:59:39 pm
luigi drewski, same difference.

Luigi was worse than drewski , but like i said, ask Dshiz, he actively tried to accompany him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 18, 2012, 11:11:13 pm
Jog my memory; Why is KFM banned?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on July 18, 2012, 11:14:37 pm
He said Gex Enter the Gecko was a bad game and an enraged Jmorphman abused his Gmod powers to ban KFM in the far far past.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 18, 2012, 11:15:58 pm
Jog my memory; Why is KFM banned?

he was kinda doing this hitler thing...[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/ohshutup.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 18, 2012, 11:16:52 pm
Did he try to ban all the Jews?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 18, 2012, 11:17:23 pm
you were here duo, look into your heart, you know the tale.
its a tale as old as mugen.

Basically he was hitting on jmorphman and caddie got jealous.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on July 18, 2012, 11:18:07 pm
Ah that explains it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 18, 2012, 11:40:18 pm
Go to Encyclopedia Dramatica for Mugen, you'll see.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on July 18, 2012, 11:41:49 pm
Quote
M.U.G.E.N. is the gaming phenomenon in which Marvel fanboys, Hentai lovers, and exiled Shoryuken posters attempt to put gaming companies out of business by ripping off their characters and using them to make their own fighting games.
.-.

dang the butthurt in this article is ridiculous...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 18, 2012, 11:44:33 pm
Ignore the article itself and just look at the quotes or screenshots of forum posts.

And be glad we're no longer in that dark era.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on July 18, 2012, 11:53:29 pm
Dinosaur creator... yeah, dark times :ninja:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on July 19, 2012, 12:13:12 am
So is Luigi unbanned or not, in the end?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on July 19, 2012, 12:18:22 am
No. He did it wrong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 19, 2012, 12:29:45 am
Quote
M.U.G.E.N. is the gaming phenomenon in which Marvel fanboys, Hentai lovers, and exiled Shoryuken posters attempt to put gaming companies out of business by ripping off their characters and using them to make their own fighting games.
.-.

dang the butthurt in this article is ridiculous...
I couldn't agree more. Who is responsible for this one?
Quote
Crazed catgirl fanboys getting pissy because their subject of obsession, like a Darkstalkers' Felicia or a Samurai Shodown's Cham Cham, is being degraded and violated through various means
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 19, 2012, 12:37:15 am
The MUGEN article on ED was (and probably still is) upkept by one single person. I think their name was EVIL or something.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on July 19, 2012, 12:39:38 am
It was obviously me. I have issues with the entire community.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on July 19, 2012, 12:43:54 am
This is why you don't get nice things GOH
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Chasenuva1 on July 19, 2012, 01:53:05 am
I don't really see why he wants me to post this.... but whatever.
(http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z373/chasenuva1/Capture-23.png)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on July 19, 2012, 01:54:28 am
Back on the topic of Luigi/Saohc:

Whats the worst that could happen by unbanning him? If he fucks up, just ban him again, and things will be back to the way they are now. No difference. The fact he's asking to come back, maybe he's grown up and knows not to post the same kind of shit he has over at MI about his mother and stuff. As I said, if he does, just ban him again and nothing of value will be lost.

However, reviewing his recent posts on MI seems to indicate that he'll simply be banned again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on July 19, 2012, 01:57:57 am
It was obviously me. I have issues with the entire community.
That explains everything. Slowly you're rising to power to terminate the entire community!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Joulz on July 19, 2012, 01:59:28 am
Back on the topic of Luigi/Saohc:

Whats the worst that could happen by unbanning him? If he fucks up, just ban him again, and things will be back to the way they are now. No difference. The fact he's asking to come back, maybe he's grown up and knows not to post the same kind of shit he has over at MI about his mother and stuff. As I said, if he does, just ban him again and nothing of value will be lost.

However, reviewing his recent posts on MI seems to indicate that he'll simply be banned again.



the problem is with that logic, everyone could potentially be unbanned on the ground that "they could always be ban again at first signs of trouble": imagine the mods (and the rest of the community) having to deal with the likes of Vyx and other rejects like that, having to monitor them etc..., on a daily basis? a true nightmare
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 19, 2012, 02:24:20 am
Well, like I was saying, Luigi hasn't done anything bad on the level of vyx or KFM level.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Chasenuva1 on July 19, 2012, 02:32:41 am
"Luigi says that he strayed away from his original objective on MI, which was to just release Scarlet, because he felt like trying to seek revenge on Zeroz, like a dumbass. While it's true that he didn't care about his mother's death, partially it's because he knows she's in a better place and the other half relates a slight cynical nature. He eventually ignored Zeroz and the Random Insanity board altogether, to get back to the original goal:Release Scarlet and get feedback. He wants to be un-banned, even if it's just restricting permissions to only MUGEN-related boards and disallowing him access to posting in the off-topic boards."




@Luigi: Make your own account to argue this stuff. I'm not being your messenger anymore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on July 19, 2012, 02:58:08 am
He hasn't changed at all and the reason he wants to be unbanned is weak. Wargame already announces his characters here and Luigi making the threads himself won't gain him anymore feedback than he's already gotten.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 19, 2012, 04:39:35 am
this discussion about motherfucking luigi#### has gone on way longer than it should have
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on July 19, 2012, 06:47:46 am
He's not getting unbanned because:

1. He's still a bad person.

2. He's pretending to be someone else.

3. He's not apologizing, he's making excuses.

4. His excuse for wanting to be unbanned is really bad; nobody cares if he wants feedback.



It's too soon to do the opposite of the above and get unbanned (not that it's guaranteed). No unban for you! Come back -- one year!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 19, 2012, 04:40:13 pm
The MUGEN article on ED was (and probably still is) upkept by one single person. I think their name was EVIL or something.

It is. He goes by PUNGIEPUNGIEPUNGIEPUNGIE now IIRC.

He had a penchant for stalking me and adding me to the article too.

but enough about that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 21, 2012, 09:29:27 pm
jmorphman fyi whenever iced does some stupid thing to someone else's profile i yell at him about it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 26, 2012, 02:57:15 pm
Rajaa said:
And posting the dude's address? Are we supposed to build a task force and debouch to arrest Hombrewking?
Of course. It's the moderators' duty to act as the Mugenguild Internet Police and go arrest all the people selling Mugen stuff out there.
You should also hire people who'll act as the "Mugenguild quality control task", who'll send to jail anybody releasing bad quality Mugen content.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 21, 2012, 11:19:27 am
http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/goku6-79618

I suggest that you send him a PM to tell him to stop spamming questions without trying.
Since I guess this was done already, I suggest a week ban each time he asks a question about his stupid hitsparks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on August 21, 2012, 11:32:21 am
Holy shit @ the amount of "I suggest that you should read up on those Mugen docs." quotes.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on August 22, 2012, 01:05:09 pm
Even if he's banned from the Config and Development MUGEN section, he most likely will start spamming in other sections such as MUGEN Discussion, or start spamming to other people questions, seeing as how he behaved in the past.

Really, if you don't want to ban him for a year so he grows up, you could limit his posts, or make his posts invisible to everyone else. Isn't it possible for Val to make this available?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on August 22, 2012, 10:14:31 pm
No. We can only lock him from the section. Putting a "limit per day" on him which is also possible won't achieve anything because he rarely posts more than once a day. Forced timeouts have done nothing and nothing he's doing warrants a perma ban.

The solution is that the REST of you stop replying to him at all. Then i can mark his topics solved and let them die the way they should.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 23, 2012, 04:23:48 pm
Dunno where to ask this. Did Vans delete his account from MFG or something ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on August 23, 2012, 04:29:32 pm
Apparently so. He did leave his posts though (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/adv-math-help-some-linear-algebra-problems-139725.msg1538575.html).[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/perplex.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 23, 2012, 04:31:19 pm
Yeah, I saw that. It's the lack of stars and admin status that hit me, and I searched the staff section to see if a he left a message to say "bye" or something, but didn't find one.
Oh well ...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 23, 2012, 04:41:38 pm
Why the fuck would he delete himself. I know he was really busy, we all knew that, but why deleting himself when he himself knew that was usually frowned upon?
If he just wanted to leave he could have just cleaned up his profile and demoded himself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 23, 2012, 04:42:48 pm
Looks like his site is gone too. He had some good stuff I was wanting to read ;_;
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on August 23, 2012, 04:48:19 pm
bam, bam, bam...
ba-dam, bam, -bam, ba-dam!

bam, bam, bam...
ba-dam, bam, -bam, ba-dam~[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/dancedance.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 23, 2012, 05:21:33 pm
And all his creations are gone from Trinity too...

seriously what the flying fuck?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on August 23, 2012, 05:26:25 pm
Does somebody from Trinity know what happened with Vans?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 23, 2012, 05:33:26 pm
I checked with some people, no one I checked with knows.

I will try to talk to him on msn when I manage.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 2dover3d on August 24, 2012, 12:45:25 pm
Looks like his site is gone too. He had some good stuff I was wanting to read ;_;
Me too, I was actually going to read his tutorials in his website as I only read it once when I am in busy state, now I had a little time and want to try out some of his good kof velocity extraction stuff there. If he aren't coming back, then I will go back to learn the kof velocity tutorial from Sander 71113 and [E]dgar's website
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on August 24, 2012, 01:59:27 pm
Vans is now a legend
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 24, 2012, 11:11:15 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/kof-data-tutorial-90085.0.html

I found this. Can you resurrect his account so we may be able to look through his posts for anything of value like this?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on August 25, 2012, 01:30:39 am
I guess he really quit the mugen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 25, 2012, 01:43:06 am
This isn't how you quit MUGEN. This is salting the Earth so that no one can enjoy your efforts or use your guides to make their own stuff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 25, 2012, 01:47:33 am
None of us even know why he did it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 25, 2012, 01:56:44 am
None of us even know why he did it.
I don't think there's is a good reason to do such a thing.

Anyways, the account deletion is an actual abuse of powers, and nothing is gonna change that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 25, 2012, 01:57:30 am
This isn't how you quit MUGEN. This is salting the Earth so that no one can enjoy your efforts or use your guides to make their own stuff.
What an outrage. Someone prep a guillotine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 25, 2012, 01:58:44 am
Yeah that's totally what I said, nice job.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 25, 2012, 01:59:31 am
Byakko, stop trying to guilottine people, this is not france.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 25, 2012, 01:59:57 am
Yeah that's totally what I said, nice job.
It's how it sounded. Don't play cute.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on August 25, 2012, 02:01:03 am
Code:
> INSERT INTO yabbse_members SELECT * FROM m3303_0818.yabbse_members WHERE id_member = 26079;
Query OK, 1 row affected (0.28 sec)
Records: 1  Duplicates: 0  Warnings: 0

> UPDATE yabbse_messages AS m1 SET id_member = 26079 WHERE EXISTS (SELECT * FROM m3303_0818.yabbse_messages AS m2 WHERE m1.id_msg = m2.id_msg AND id_member = 26079);
Query OK, 1727 rows affected (1 min 3.50 sec)
Rows matched: 1728  Changed: 1727  Warnings: 0
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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on August 25, 2012, 02:06:15 am
I like me some SQL. :O
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 25, 2012, 02:08:01 am
It's how it sounded. Don't play cute.
I'm not playing cute because that's not at all how it sounded, unless you're taking crazy pills I guess. Which maybe you are, but I'm not gonna leap to unfounded assumptions!

I was just using a metaphor: Vans is like a farmer who produced many wonderful crops (MUGEN characters), but then, for some unknown reason, decided to burn all those crops and prevent anyone from using his field (his website with all the guides). It's very upsetting and nobody knows what's going on and we're all worried about Vans and stuff. Don't be a dick and try and start shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 25, 2012, 02:10:15 am
The posts still exist and it's not like he broke into all the computers on the Internet to delete all copies of his creations. You don't start shit to prove I twist your words.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MaxBeta on August 25, 2012, 02:11:08 am
^ I'm sorry guys but I have to agree with Jmorph on all that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 25, 2012, 02:11:16 am
The posts still exist and it's not like he broke into all the computers on the Internet to delete all copies of his creations. You don't start shit.
omg shut the fuck up and leave now. this is the most inane shit ever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MaxBeta on August 25, 2012, 02:11:55 am
^ Ditto.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on August 25, 2012, 02:23:29 am
I restored the account because normal members can't delete their accounts either since that kinda thing greatly reduces data consistency and searchability.

As far as we know, he didn't leave in a huff, to me it looks like he wrapped up his stuff and left. That kinda sucks for us because we lost a bro, but we shouldn't be selfish about it, it's his right to take down his downloads and stuff. If he has real life matters to sort out, reducing his online presence sounds like a reasonable first step to me.[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/sadsit.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 25, 2012, 02:33:16 am
Thank you Val.
Carry on.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 25, 2012, 03:12:59 am
It is pretty selfish to remove his tutorials as those had less likely hood of being downloaded/archived.

Whatever he's doing IRL he could have at the least given the tutorials and blogs to someone so they could stay online.

And yes, THANKS VAL! :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 25, 2012, 05:21:34 am
Apparently he has implied it in the past but none of us figured he was just going to outright quit with no warning and do this. Not even Trinity.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Vans on August 27, 2012, 02:55:34 am
I didn't expect my account to be resurrected like this...

These past few weeks have been incredibly difficult for me, I snapped and deleted everything. Account lost or not, it was a decision I had thought of many times and had no regrets.

Very few people actually know the type of lifestyle that I'm living right now. I study 14 hours a day, 5 days a week. Have tests that last for as long as 6 hours during my weekends, and I'm shoving in practicing fighting games, learning a new language and whatever's left of my hobby time in. Every single day of my semester is both physically and emotionally tiring for me.

The type of environment I'm studying in is one of the most taxing I've ever had to work in. I try my best, I study every single day almost every chance I get but it's a place where failing changes the perception other people have of you. If you fail too much your opinion starts to become worthless, you become isolated until you can "step your game up", people just stop taking you seriously if you lag behind. School has not been kind to me lately, and I sometimes wonder if I even have the talent for it. Keeping up with people that are already professionals is really damn hard for me, and the feeling of having a worthless opinion only makes it worse for me every single day that passes.

In my home I have the peer pressure of doing everything right. I used to be scolded very harshly if I got anything short of a perfect grade. I have some conflicting views regarding my future and what I plan to do with my life after college, and the closer I get to my goal the more stressed I become as I feel like doing what I want to do will upset my family.

I'm a person that feels an incredible amount of shame and sadness with failure. This is how I feel regarding my MUGEN work.

I had two dreams when I started programming for MUGEN:

1. Coding a KOF character good enough to be used in KOF Zillion.
2. Finishing a complete game. The reason I coded 1 thing of everything was so I had enough experience.

And a recent one:

3. To help new coders through the many difficulties I had when I was first coding.

During this time I feel like I couldn't complete any of these things. And not only this, I also feel like I have failed at being a good member of this community.

I've read and discussed many different points of view about MUGEN. I was staff in 3 almost radically different places at once (Here, Mugenguild, TrinityMUGEN and Randomselect) and have had the opportunity to understand situations from these 3 sides at once. It has been very difficult for me keeping up with everyone and everything at once, especially when there's conflict between any of those 3.

I've been worried and sad for this community because I sometimes feel like there's unbreakable walls separating very passionate people from working with each other. It breaks my heart and is really hard on me when I feel like I'm the only one that can see the situation from both sides. This has been a difficult position for me for a very long time, and sometimes feel incredibly impotent by not being able to help this situation.

Abandoning my admin/moderator duties has only made it worse for me as I feel like I'm slacking off. It might not look like it, but I do worry, and I do check things from time to time, and I feel incredibly guilty for making the staff look bad in all sides by not being active.

I deleted my things because I felt like a failure. I can never shake the feeling of my work being completely worthless in many fronts, I don't even know what kind of work I'm demanding from myself anymore but I may have set absolutely impossible standards for myself.

I honestly don't even know what type of footing I'm on right now. I rarely received comments about my articles when I wrote them, and I had the feeling they weren't that useful, so I got rid of those as well.

I feel like something hit me and finally made me broken as a person. I don't really want to argue anymore, I just wanted to leave quietly and be done with everything. I'm not in a position where I want to discuss the morality of me taking down my own work, if I have to be banned or whatever due to my actions that's okay as well, I don't mind.

If this account has to be kept alive as well that's okay, I'm sorry for deleting it. I'm sorry.

I put my articles back and I will try to reupload my work if I have the time.

I'm sorry for everything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lil' Hurricane on August 27, 2012, 04:49:12 am
Hope stuff gets better for you, best of luck.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 27, 2012, 06:02:23 am
I forgive you, Vans. I hope everything works out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vgma2 on August 27, 2012, 06:14:29 am
Real life is indeed quite stressful at times. I wish you luck in your future endeavors.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on August 27, 2012, 06:24:26 am
Nobody will ever think less of anyone for taking their real life commitments seriously. Or leaving behind this little hobby for said commitments. Your desire to leave is perfectly understandable and nobody will think less of you for it. You have made one hell of a difference in one corner of the community and that's KoF. You've taken it further than sander did and even if people enjoy other characters more they'll hold yours up as the example.

In an interesting thing, once Val re-upped your account, one of the first responses was in one of your tutorial threads asking where the stuff had gone. You have made a difference. But the way the community works very very rarely will you see that difference or even realise you're making it. This has no effect on your decision to take time off/leave but try to remember that when you're feeling shitty about your time here. You personally made a difference, even if you never noticed it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 27, 2012, 06:43:50 am
well said Cyanide

and Vans, things always get better :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 27, 2012, 09:08:03 am
Don't think of yourself badly or as a failure Vans. Setting high standards is something very good and I wish more people would have in today's life, but setting a goal and trying to reach it shouldn't make you feel bad about yourself if the goal you set is impossible to reach. Try your best, and see what comes out of it.

Very few people actually know the type of lifestyle that I'm living right now. I study 14 hours a day, 5 days a week. Have tests that last for as long as 6 hours during my weekends, and I'm shoving in practicing fighting games, learning a new language and whatever's left of my hobby time in. Every single day of my semester is both physically and emotionally tiring for me.

The type of environment I'm studying in is one of the most taxing I've ever had to work in. I try my best, I study every single day almost every chance I get but it's a place where failing changes the perception other people have of you. If you fail too much your opinion starts to become worthless, you become isolated until you can "step your game up", people just stop taking you seriously if you lag behind. School has not been kind to me lately, and I sometimes wonder if I even have the talent for it. Keeping up with people that are already professionals is really damn hard for me, and the feeling of having a worthless opinion only makes it worse for me every single day that passes.
I get your feelings with this, since I had more or less the same life for 3 years. I always was 1st or 2nd of my class up to Baccalaureate, with average grades of 19/20 in Maths and Physics, without ever studying. And from one day to the other, in preparatory classes for Engineering schools, my grades fell down to 6/20 when working 4 hours minimum per evening after a 8/10 hours class day.

This can break your moral at first and you can think of yourself quite badly. "I'm a shitty person, I don't have the level or necessary knowledge, damn I have no future". It also doesn't help when you have some teachers telling you how bad you are, and asking you if you're studying instead of playing cards (even though you went to bed a 1am to study his freaking lesson).

But from this, you have to take the positive output.
- You can compare your level to other brilliant students (because never forget that : if you reached this point, it's because you are brilliant, in this field at least).
- You probably have some strong friends you can count on in difficult moments. Rely on them, they're here for you if you need them.
- This will make you stronger. The pressure you have now and the way they make you strive for perfection and work hard is a very good way to strengthen your soul and will. You learn how to work fast, well and efficiently. You learn how to think instead of applying stupidly some cooking recipes. And you're strong enough to fight the difficulties of life. What others consider difficult you'll think of as easy after studying in this school.

Anyway, good luck with all your endeavours, study hard, but don't put too much weight on your back. Do your best and push your limits, but never to the point of feeling bad about yourself.
You've made a difference, in Mugen or not. Really. So don't be ashamed of yourself. ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on August 27, 2012, 03:57:57 pm
Vans, you don't owe anyone anything, especially concerning a hobby. Take it easy.

That's the best advice I can give, take it easy. It's not the end of the world.

If your studies are getting too stressful then take a break, you can always try again. I failed a year of school because I was studying shit I had no interest in and it stressed the hell out of me. So I just said fuck it and failed it to get myself a 1 year break. I feel refreshed and more determined than before to pass this time to get on with my life. Did I give a fuck what anyone else thought of me? Hell no. I only cared about myself and you should too.

We're always here for you, good luck man.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 2dover3d on August 27, 2012, 05:39:23 pm
I honestly don't even know what type of footing I'm on right now. I rarely received comments about my articles when I wrote them, and I had the feeling they weren't that useful, so I got rid of those as well.
What a bad timing for me, actually I was very busy this year and have no time to read your tutorials daily which I plan to :P. I actually read your article once, about the art money tutorial and find it interesting but a pity that I am very busy this year and have no time to learn so I plan to read and learn it after my exams are finished in end of this year, never know that you will remove them :'( but it is alright, doesn't matter, career comes first before Mugen :) you are already one of the best people that I encounter for Mugen as you put in effort in your creations, tutorials etc and even help me with that troublesome Real Bout Fatal Fury 2's Yamazaki's Level 4 Drill, I haven't forget that ;) all the best in your studies, glad to see you replying your reason of sudden deletion :)

Edit: I went to your site and your tutorials are back again :D thanks a lots man will appreciate it :) I better go save them in my drive before it is gone again :laugh4:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on August 27, 2012, 07:02:34 pm
Hey, life happens Vans. Nobody is going to think less of you (especially here) because your putting your life ahead of MUGEN.

Handle your business, and hopefully you start feeling better.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 27, 2012, 10:51:22 pm
Life can be a bundle of work, it can take you out for a big spin and drive you mad for hours as you try to do whatever you feel is the right thing to do.
And yeah shit can get hard.
We might need to put our hobbies aside, or focus more on this or that, and even then things might fuck up, because things fuck up.  There are plenty of people here that when things got tougher in real life had to take time for their own shit, and thats alright.

Now, a failure? Thats the biggest load of shit.  Anyone that even hints that someone else should delete their presence and remain deleted because they are a failure are the biggest jerks ever.
You are not a failure, look around you,everyone was worried about you, and how you even deleted yourself.
I know you had been having troubles with school, we talked a while about it, and I even suggested taking time off, and thats okay, you should focus on fixing your stuff, but dont think that throwing away all your hobbies will somehow make you better, human beings cant live only out of working.
You do your stuff man, whenever you want , there will be people around. You know that we support you. Dont let depression win you over.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Joulz on August 31, 2012, 03:47:45 am
Vans, you don't owe anyone anything, especially concerning a hobby. Take it easy.

this!

in the end, it's YOUR life, your decisions and nobody else should pressure you to succeed, but you!

as far as mugen goes: you are, always were and will remain a true inspiration, someone who has set the quality bar SO high when it comes to creating & someone who has left an unforgettable trace in the community.

take it easy & good luck
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 31, 2012, 04:16:51 am
Wow, I never thought this would happen. I even put out a request for Krizalid's sprites so Vans could work on the character, but I'm not so sure I want him to have to deal with that. Really, Vans. You made a difference and people were worried. I myself freaked when I saw your downloads were gone. Just remember that this is indeed a hobby. I'm not trying to pressure you or anything, but is it at all possible for you to put your stuff back on Trinitymugen? If not, I could host your characters that I have on my Mediafire so people can still get their hands on them. They are great characters and deserve to be used. Best o' luck to ya, Vans!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 31, 2012, 04:39:24 am
He put his stuff back. And thank you for doing so. What you shared is very valuable to the rest of us in this community. You made a huge difference here to many people and I personally am very fortunate you made the tutorials and artmoney tables that you made! They are being most helpful!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 31, 2012, 04:53:46 am
Are you referring to his stuff on Trinitymugen? Because it's not popping up for me. Well, if nothing comes up within the next week I'll probably host some of his stuff. Can't let it go to waste, hm?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 31, 2012, 08:55:47 am
GBK stuff ... blablabla ... including this :
Quote
I reread the whole thing and i dont get what he was trying to do.
I said several times what I meant by that, he kept claiming to not understand it even when others explained, and then went on posting. People called his attention again and he started going "cry more". What was even the point?

I give up.

So, even though we have GBK being a blatant asshole here, not following admin/Mods instructions, playing martyr and dumb at the same time, etc. I still think 6 months is a bit harsh in this case. Two or three months seems more reasonable IMHO.
Heh, I'm not staff, so it's not my decision. Just wanted to say the ban seems disproportionated compared to what he did.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 31, 2012, 11:37:16 am
Are you referring to his stuff on Trinitymugen? Because it's not popping up for me. Well, if nothing comes up within the next week I'll probably host some of his stuff. Can't let it go to waste, hm?

I didn't check to see if his characters were back. But this is back. http://www.vans.trinitymugen.net/
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on August 31, 2012, 12:05:53 pm
Two or three months seems more reasonable IMHO.
He was already banned for 2 months before.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 31, 2012, 03:45:00 pm
yah, punishment has to be increased because he keeps on pulling the same stunts all the time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 31, 2012, 04:21:58 pm
If this was the case Iced should've known that a "soft ban" like that wasn't going to work
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 31, 2012, 04:24:11 pm
the softban was not the reason of the big ban, the soft ban was just a measure to get him to calm down, but instead of calming down he decided to do his martyr routine which lead to bancalibur being unleashed on him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on September 01, 2012, 12:06:51 am
When you have someone already with a vendetta against you it's not the best idea to say "Please don't post here."

Iced you know better.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on September 01, 2012, 12:09:37 am
When you have someone already with a vendetta against you it's not the best idea to say "Please don't post here."
He didn't deserve a ban at that point and he needed to stop posting in that thread. What other option was there?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on September 01, 2012, 12:11:27 am
Iced stop doing your job! There are people who hate you! Who do you think you are?! Rajaa?!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on September 01, 2012, 12:13:37 am
what?
I should stop telling him to do stuff he was told to stop before because I have argued with him before?

over the same stuff?

I mean I heard of circular logic but thats just bonkers!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on September 02, 2012, 04:53:48 am
When you have someone already with a vendetta against you it's not the best idea to say "Please don't post here."

Iced you know better.
what, he should've flat out banned him instead? you're dumb
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on September 03, 2012, 09:59:41 pm
So, even though we have GBK being a blatant asshole here, not following admin/Mods instructions, playing martyr and dumb at the same time, etc. I still think 6 months is a bit harsh in this case. Two or three months seems more reasonable IMHO.
Heh, I'm not staff, so it's not my decision. Just wanted to say the ban seems disproportionated compared to what he did.
I can help you better in this case. I post regularily in Cosplay thread in Off-Topic (also I'm cosplayer if some of you didn't know) and GBK is known for being those guys who only posted pro cosplays only, and when a pic isn't in his "standards" he mocks and don't give importance to them, not to mention he has a strange fetish with Poison cosplayers. I mean, I like Poison but I don't post everytime I get a Poison cosplay there

Iced was one of the posters there who dislike that soberv attitude GBK has in the thread and that's the reason why he was banned many times from the forum, like 2-3 months, and until this day he shouldn't learn anything since passed a few time after that he get back with his attitude. Something like Da_Maverick and MC2 did before in the forum, but in a little scale. So I'm with Iced and I support that 6-month ban, and I say it could be even for more time, since the guy just don't learn and even get as a victim/martyr everytime before and after his ban

In my personal case, I'm cosplayer as I said before and I usually show my last cosplays in that thread, but GBK just ignore it and post other cosplay pics to get his point, many of them are more Photoshop than cosplay (remember that 3D-like images??), that's the reason I didn't post for a time until I get back recently. If I was a mod/admin, probably I should ban him, too
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 03, 2012, 10:50:22 pm
heh, i remember posting an actual 3d render of chunli in that topic, there was a lot if damage controls/tests done in that thread that only people who actualyl posted there knew were happening, like when GBK continued sniping the thread by posting "his" cosplay pictures right after someone else psoted something, some people started counter sniping him by waiting until gbk posted so they could post feedback on non gbk cosplay adn push gbk's behind.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on September 03, 2012, 11:41:42 pm
Okay, gotcha guys. I agree I'm not following the cosplay topic so much, so I was not aware of everything happening in there apart from GBK posting photoshopped cosplayers every single day.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on September 04, 2012, 01:16:28 am
When you have someone already with a vendetta against you it's not the best idea to say "Please don't post here."

Iced you know better.
listen to this man iced, most people in this community hate or moch him everyday so he knows what he is talking about

bancalibur
i laughed harder than i should

@Cybaster: completely unrelated but i think you should update your quote signatures because the color doesn't match the forum layout anymore
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on September 15, 2012, 12:42:23 pm
Have you checked if LordryuTJ is actually Wild Tengu in an alternative account? I mean, they both seem to have the same fetish. But one with ponies and the other with humans.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on September 15, 2012, 01:49:27 pm
He is not Wild Tengu.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on September 15, 2012, 04:02:39 pm
was that guy still active or just suddenly decided to post fat ponies?.... OH CELESTIA! PLEASE KEEP HIM AWAY FROM THE PONY THREAD!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on September 15, 2012, 04:23:13 pm
his posting is outrageous and i believe we should preemptively ban all pony likers to prevent something like this happening again
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on September 15, 2012, 05:39:29 pm
i think we should forbid people from discussing things they like to prevent any more disturbances
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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on September 15, 2012, 06:55:50 pm
I hope everybody hates Mugen here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on September 15, 2012, 11:38:21 pm
Have you checked if LordryuTJ is actually Wild Tengu in an alternative account? I mean, they both seem to have the same fetish. But one with ponies and the other with humans.

Tengu is smarter and far more subtle than that (and Tengu is as subtle as a sack of hammers).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mgbenz on October 05, 2012, 01:42:43 pm
So apparently trolling is acceptable in the forum because it's not against the specifically written rules?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on October 05, 2012, 01:47:21 pm
The problem is that the rules are not specific. They're very vague when it comes to empty posts and such.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 05, 2012, 02:20:40 pm
I guess it's not in the rules because it's expected to be common sense. But the problem is that people want to know why they get banned if they're not breaking rules, and they don't want to admit that not trolling is common sense. Maybe a rule that only says "respect common sense" would be enough.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on October 05, 2012, 02:27:07 pm
Most newcomers aren't aware of forum etiquette so I think it's best if it's explained thoroughly like for eg:

- Don't post for the sake of posting only. Take a few seconds to think if your post contributes to the thread in question. Forum posting has a different theme, it's not like posting in a chat discussion and such.

Something like that, similar to the necrobump rules I guess, basically explaining that they should reflect on what they are posting before they do it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 05, 2012, 02:50:38 pm
@Cyanide: this are teh rules iced was talking about in the warnings thread:
i'm going to add more rules since people are complaining that some "obvious" things are not so obvious

- Do not make secondary accounts
- Do not try to circumvent your bans
- The report button is for reports. Do not use it for anything else.
- Do not get account names with offensive names (i.e. Nigger Faggot Fucker or LATINO COCK CUMS IN MY VAGINA)
- If you're a bot your account will be deleted.
- Do not use giant font sizes for all of your posts. Use giant font size wisely.
- Do not claim to not care about celebrity death. Or death in general. This is rude.
- Do not call people shitheads.
- Do not ignore points mid-discussion
- Do not make the same thread several times
- Do not post with missing vowels.
- Do not use this forum as a chatroom. If you want quick direct communication with another user use MSN or AIM or some other messaging service.
- Do not post with numbers instead of letters.
- Posts in all caps might be deleted depending on several factors, such as post length, the poster/post being funny or not and the moderator that noticed the post. Staff works under the assumption that something funny "makes you laugh or chuckle a bit".
- Racism will not be tolerated unless it's funny
- Do not make threads of bullet points of suggestions enormously large where all the suggestions are really obvious stuff, you are not a developer, development doesn't work that way.
- Do not reply to threads without reading the whole posts before that one, in case you do post without reading, include a line stating the same.
- Do not post a lot of images that are unrelated to the thread. Your post will be deleted unless the images are funny. They usually are not.
- Moderators shall use context and relevance on decision of necrobumps permanence, if a thread has under five posts , it might be allowed even with few content, if it has more than five, then the necrobump will only be allowed in case the person is the original op.
- Homophobic behavior will not be tolerated unless it comes from gay people.
- Do not be an asshole, definition of asshole inclludes questioning someone sexuality, posting their face on porn pictures, reply to threads where you have no actual interest to publicize your own endeavours, post torrents, question the taste in music of the other persons, question the taste in games of the other person, questioning the superiority of the American race.
- Posts about Mortal Kombat will be ridiculed.
- Nazi symbolism should be avoided. Unless it's really funny. KKK symbolism is always allowed.
- Drug addicts should refrain from mentioning their drugs unless they brought enough for everyone.
- Do not post pictures of your penis.
- Do not post pictures of your vaginahahaha there are no girls here anyway
- Do not talk about bad anime (definition of bad anime in addendum section 42-1)
- Do not troll other users unless you use sophisticated humor, have attention to detail and use no more than thirty percent sarcasm.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 08, 2012, 01:01:30 am
Since holocaust related threads are banned there I suggest we bring back the idea of baning any other religion bashing threads.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 08, 2012, 01:02:05 am
I suggest banning E from making trolling posts.


If you cant see the difference between holocaust denying threads and other "race x is inferior to race y" threads to other themes, then you have a problem related to the ones I was talking about in said thread.
Do you not see anything wrong with those themes?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on October 08, 2012, 01:03:59 am
I do question why it was dumped though.  What makes holocaust threads any worse than the other things discussed in that forum?  We've had religion threads, political threads, threads calling users out for stuff they did in their personal life, threads about suicide and drugs, what makes this one so special?  You don't want a racist flame war?  When has that ever mattered before?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bea on October 08, 2012, 01:20:13 am
Well, several million people died at the holocaust and there is extensive documentation in forms of files, videos, pictures about that. It was extremely ugly, shocking, disgusting.
Denying it's existence is not only dumb, as there is proof that it happened, but also very offending.
Among Guild user base it is quite likely that there are people whose families suffered through it, or worse, people whose families took part on it.

Such kind of threads are only for baiting people and spread angry feelings among the user base. Nothing productive would EVER come out of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 08, 2012, 01:30:40 am
MC. None of those is as important as people doing racially charged threads, holocaust denying is one of said themes,  in the same way that I have banned people claiming support for nazism before. And have banned homophobes.
That thread was just bait.

Comparing holocaust denying to any thread that involves religion as a theme is balls to the wall retarded.
E isnt completely idiotic, so he knows this and is doing this because he is a bored person that wants to amuse himself with those he considers dumber than him or something.
 Asking me to justify why holocaust denying is wrong is ridiculous, but if you really need it, sure i will give it a go.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 08, 2012, 01:32:45 am
Since holocaust related threads are banned there I suggest we bring back the idea of baning any other religion bashing threads.
What religion bashing threads?

If you think there have been any religion bashing threads, grow the fuck up. There is way way way worse things people say about religion on the internet.

Be an adult and get a thicker skin, Jesus Christ. And if someone does make one solely dedicated to calling us religious guys idiots, the staff would delete it too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on October 08, 2012, 01:42:22 am
Since holocaust related threads are banned there I suggest we bring back the idea of baning any other religion bashing threads.

But then Iced won't be able to make anymore threads in All That's Left! :smartass:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on October 08, 2012, 01:57:04 am
Since holocaust related threads are banned there I suggest we bring back the idea of baning any other religion bashing threads.
What religion bashing threads?

If you think there have been any religion bashing threads, grow the fuck up. There is way way way worse things people say about religion on the internet.

Be an adult and get a thicker skin, Jesus Christ. And if someone does make one solely dedicated to calling us religious guys idiots, the staff would delete it too.

It's not a matter of being offended, it's a matter of double standards of acceptability.  Why should it be okay to talk shit on Christians or Athiests but not to make a topic about the possibility of the holocaust being fabricated?  They're both "hostile" so what's the problem?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 08, 2012, 01:57:30 am
I did watch the video, and it doesn't deny the holocaust, the mass murder of Jews, Gipsies, homosexuals and mentally disabled. It only says the facilities were ridiculously unequipped for the task described.
Now, sure, the topic itself was extremely badly presented - it just barged in and claimed "hey, that thing didn't exist and you're all sheep for believing what the Government tells you. ... Oh yeah, to see why, watch this obscure hour-and-a-half video that was buried and rejected for a quarter of a century". Or in other words "I just found a new obscure video and I saw the light, now I must spread it to you ignorant sheep like I know better than everyone else".
But I would see a topic discussing how exactly it happened, and if the descriptions that are in everyone's mind actually matches the reality of those particular facilities. I would see a topic presenting scientific evidence rather than only the commonly accepted bullet points of the holocaust (which I agree with). Why would I see a topic like that ? Because we've had far worse here.
The video itself had heavy flaws of course, but it was actually interestingly presented - and it doesn't try to make you think the holocaust didn't happen, contrary to the topic it was posted in. I'd think a topic opposing this video to other proofs contradicting it would be perfectly legit. We do see very often topics about religion that turn to shit for sillier reasons than this, so I don't see the difference as long as it's handled the same way. Racist and negationist people can be dealt with the same way as people who insist that people who commit the slightest crime deserve death, or people who keep claiming to be the only enlightened person on the planet and everyone is blind.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 08, 2012, 02:05:50 am
Why should it be okay to talk shit on Christians or Athiests
Oh that's easy. Neither one is okay.

There has not been anything flagrantly offensive to either groups, on the level of creating a Holocaust denial thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on October 08, 2012, 02:11:47 am
But we have had threads that start out one way and wind up bashing either side. This thread started out with a ridiculous comment but it wasn't what it was actually about. As per Byakko's comment
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I did watch the video, and it doesn't deny the holocaust, the mass murder of Jews, Gipsies, homosexuals and mentally disabled. It only says the facilities were ridiculously unequipped for the task described.
Only the topic makes that claim and fails to back it up.

And to some extent this is what i've been arguing about. Titiln's list is far too tongue in cheek, but there were a couple of points in there we could stand to put in place without having to change how we do things around here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 08, 2012, 02:17:37 am

I dont disagree with you.
A proper thread would be a proper thread, as it was it was just racist bait. Hence being, like i called it, holocaut denying thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on October 08, 2012, 02:21:34 am
So you're saying it was Jean's wording and not the topic and video itself that started a problem?  In that case why not just edit his post?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 08, 2012, 02:22:57 am
Wouldn't be much better, if someone wants to honestly discuss it they can repost it better. Editing people's post to make them look less obnoxious than they intended to be is not a habit around here, not changing the way people talk for the sake of keeping a subject of discussion.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on October 08, 2012, 02:27:01 am
I've already come up with an alternate title: "I just found this video that says the gas chambers didn't exist"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 02:31:17 am
well, iced could have told jean to edit his post or pm him.... then again aside for a few fail attemps of comedy by his part i don't really know the guy so i'm not sure if he is the type to make a thread as "hurr durr the holocaust didn't happen durr" causing iced to decide to remove th thread before it got worse

still, this could have been discussed with tehr est of teh staff before deleting the thread. but our evil emperor is not the kind to wait (and when he does peple get mad at him for not taking action fast enough)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 08, 2012, 02:37:51 am
So you're saying it was Jean's wording and not the topic and video itself that started a problem?  In that case why not just edit his post?
You dont edit the racism out of people.  You dont go around trying to take care of people so others dont ridicule them and make fun of them.
But when what they post can only lead to racist bait? I would rather delete them than having axkeeper repeats.
( best case scenario, people ridicule him, worse case scenario racists reveal themselves)
Im astonished that you cant tell the difference between a thread where people might get hurt feelings and someone making a thread denying the holocaust.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on October 08, 2012, 02:59:16 am
Having read said thread, doesn't come across like that at all. He leaves a lot of question marks in place and the whole thing has a questioning inflection. You'd get to the point where someone would have pointed out that the video says nothing of the sort (if what byakko says is accurate)

A comment stating expectations of the thread would have been first step i think. Deletion if racism kicked in.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 08, 2012, 03:03:35 am
Well, if it had been anyone other than Jean using the same words, it would have been on the limit and I myself wouldn't have seen it too badly.
But it was Jean, and he has a history of making similar posts with a purpose.
Essentially, he just straight out calls it a myth and names a random dude nobody knows as proof, expecting people to actually read that and watch this hour long video. Yeah, stopping here, that's bait. The "you decide what you want to believe" is ridiculous and doesn't actually let you decide anything, it's the kind of "you decide" that says "conspiracy theory".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on October 08, 2012, 03:36:27 am
That's true, i had kinda forgotten we'd seen something similar from him before. Still, you can get a productive thread out of a terrible first post.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 08, 2012, 05:20:30 am
You know, it would have been interesting to have a thread that talks about the holocaust, what with most of us being born after it all hapenned, several of us even living outside of europe/the usa and having no realtion to the holocaust at all, I did not even watch the video.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 05:25:35 am
but then people who had wouldn't have liked it and that would be bad
[avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/avatars/suzuBIG.png[/avatar]
instead let's have another "dumb christians/americans do dumb shit" thread
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 08, 2012, 05:29:08 am
You know, it would have been interesting to have a thread that talks about the holocaust
Then make one?

except you know, don't make a crazy Holocaust-denial thread (or gas chamber denial thread, whatever)

instead let's have another "dumb christians/americans do dumb shit" thread
No fuck you >:[
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 08, 2012, 05:32:56 am
instead let's have another "dumb christians/americans do dumb shit" thread
No fuck you >:[
I will.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 05:36:14 am
wait till we get home...
No fuck you >:[
well, i don't see you complaining when iced makes one
[avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/avatars/domonBIG.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 08, 2012, 05:55:14 am
I will.
Sorry but I'm not into weirdo anime people.

well, i don't see you complaining when iced makes one
Because they're just about dumb individuals.

also I was joking
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 06:03:52 am
yeah, the way i see it iced just happened to find news about dumb people doing dumb shit who in their majority happen to be eitehr christians or americans

either way he got walt pretty upset about it :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 08, 2012, 06:04:47 am
Sorry but I'm not into weirdo anime people.

Stop flattering yourself, I am gonig to fuck Edward not you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 06:55:20 am
that doesn't make me happy at all
[avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/avatars/mioBIG3.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 08, 2012, 07:02:12 am
waru warui, love is not always about happinness
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 07:14:11 am
wha-whatever, j-just do what you want.
[avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/avatars/tomokoBIG3.png[/avatar]
i-i'm not go-gonna like it anyway
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 08, 2012, 07:21:18 am
OK you two, take your fake flirting (worst kind BTW) to PM's, this is supposed to be a serious thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 07:30:02 am
i still think deleting the thread should have been discussed with the staff before doing it. i mean, one of the good things about guild is that discussions don't get censored before they even start like other forums do.

then again, i don't know if jean is the kind of guy who makes troll-bait threads or something (well, accoring to what was mentioned above that seems to be the case)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 08, 2012, 07:34:23 am
then again, i don't know if jean is the kind of guy who makes troll-bait threads or something (well, accoring to what was mentioned above that seems to be the case)
I don't think he intends to. He's just ends up doing so.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on October 08, 2012, 07:38:43 am
I remember reading the thread before Iced got to it and thinking to myself: "Wow. What a horrible first post." I literally thought that.

And I agree with Byakko; since it's Jean and not someone else, and he has a history, etc.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 07:41:44 am
so about this masao guy:
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people like him feed on your attention, just ignore him and he'll die eventually
either peolpe are really that stupid to reply to such an obvious troll who is not here to do anything else besides being "hurr random durr" like otehrs before him (who follow the same pattern) or they just like to play along with them while pretending to be all mad

he is doing teh exact same thing at mi but since the forum is dead nobody pays attention to him and decided to move here. just ban him he is not going to change. but most likely he'll just return with an alternate account so in order to make him realy leave people need to stop giving him the kind of attention he wants (an easily gets)
[avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/avatars/ikamusumeBIG12.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on October 08, 2012, 08:43:33 am
i still think deleting the thread should have been discussed with the staff before doing it.

Iced talked to me about it before he did it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on October 08, 2012, 08:47:10 am
so about this masao guy:
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people like him feed on your attention, just ignore him and he'll die eventually
either peolpe are really that stupid to reply to such an obvious troll who is not here to do anything else besides being "hurr random durr" like otehrs before him (who follow the same pattern) or they just like to play along with them while pretending to be all mad

he is doing teh exact same thing at mi but since the forum is dead nobody pays attention to him and decided to move here. just ban him he is not going to change. but most likely he'll just return with an alternate account so in order to make him realy leave people need to stop giving him the kind of attention he wants (an easily gets)
Both. People are stupid enough to play along. Without realising they're really just doing what he wants. You're not making him look dumb you know, he only looks dumb if he gets no visible response to his "stupidity"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on October 08, 2012, 09:33:23 am
dumb christians/americans
Why are you writing 3 times the same word ? ::)

Let's instead discuss how 9/11 was planned by the American Government itself, or how the trip to the moon was all a fake.

Okay, smelly/arrogant/French is out. :ninja:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 08, 2012, 10:02:41 am
hey remember when I said this
supposed to be a serious thread.

But hey, if you want to make ridiculously moronic statements about how much you hate America or whatever, make a thread in All That's Left so that people can rightly mock you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on October 08, 2012, 10:20:51 am
i really hope cy is joking with that. but I think he is. If not then theres a problem.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on October 08, 2012, 10:45:41 am
I certainly hope he is, otherwise the irony of someone butchering the English language with the phrase "writing 3 times the same word" and calling other people dumb would be overwhelming.  He's not that stupid.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 08, 2012, 11:01:10 am
oh my god you guys, seriously
hey remember when I said this
supposed to be a serious thread.
STOP IT

If you want to mock Cybaster, please make a thread called "Feedback to feeback to warnings" or something, just stop derailing this thread!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 08, 2012, 11:19:44 am
Jean pmed me asking why I deleted the thread, I directed him to this one thread.
He claims that it wasnt a holocaust denying thread and that I made some poor shortcuts in decisions.
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Iced, why did you delete my topic without letting people, not even believe, but just at least have a different perspective on the matter ?

(..)

What are you afraid of ?

I rather this be public. Jean you can read the explanation on the last posts.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on October 08, 2012, 01:25:39 pm
To get back on-topic (yes, I can). After reading the topic, I agree with Cyanide's 1st statement :
Having read said thread, doesn't come across like that at all. He leaves a lot of question marks in place and the whole thing has a questioning inflection.

About Jean : yes, he does make this kind of posts on purpose. He wants to shock to get attention. It's the way tabloids do their stuff. Is it always a good thing ? Certainly not. However, in this case, I don't think it was some sort of trolling. He wasn't questionning the existence of gas chambers, just linking to the video while asking questions.

So yes, the 1st post may have been badly worded. Yes, the subject at hand is disturbing and not the kind people like. Yes, Jean sort of has a history with "shocking topics". it doesn't mean this topic was a gas chamber denying one nor that it should have been deleted so fast.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 08, 2012, 01:47:33 pm
He wasn't questionning the existence of gas chambers
He kind of was.
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Gas chambers ... is a myth ? Robert Faurisson prooves it.
The rest of his "questions" are written in such a way that he might as well have said "History is lying to you, school is manipulating you, the truth is out there, let me enlighten you". Especially the "you decide what you want to believe" and "i just could not resist posting this" at the end which are the same as a rhetorical question after saying "this nobody proves it".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on October 08, 2012, 01:53:33 pm
Yeah, the problem may be that I am biased. I didn't watch the video, but the subject of the video is so absurd I read the part "Robert Faurisson prooves it" as some sort of ironic post. A bit like "1+1 = ... 3 ? A 5 year old proves it".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 08, 2012, 01:57:18 pm
Oh no, it's totally serious, and the fact that it's Jean posting it "proves" that this is what he meant.
"I have proof ! But you decide what to believe." Oh really.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 08, 2012, 02:55:44 pm
i think that was a really fucking stupid thread but i would've at least let it up for a longer time until more people said "this thread is ridiculous" or whatever
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 03:26:45 pm
or at least until pikachu-guy and c.a.n stat posting on it and ruin the thread for everyone
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on October 10, 2012, 05:51:29 pm
Masao was getting really annoying; I'm glad he is gone forever!

Thank you for your continued service!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on October 10, 2012, 05:58:02 pm
no problem
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on October 10, 2012, 05:59:01 pm
for continued service I'm gonna merge this into the feedback to warnings thread ;)[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/reg6.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on October 10, 2012, 06:07:36 pm
Masao was a horrible gimmick poster. Please don't take so long to take care of folks like that next time :sadgoi:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 10, 2012, 06:11:49 pm
Masao was a horrible gimmick poster. Please don't take so long to take care of folks like that next time :sadgoi:
Masao didn't take a long time. He lasted exactly as long as he should've; a low level shitposter and or troll who was given opportunities to prove he could improve and he failed to take advantage of those.

If he was spamming threads all over the place he'd have been gone much sooner, but he wasn't. If it really bothers you so much to see someone make a few posts everyday you should find someplace less stressful.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 10, 2012, 06:22:34 pm
orochi gill your self-righteous bullshit is getting really annoying
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on October 10, 2012, 06:46:03 pm
+1
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on October 10, 2012, 09:13:06 pm
Masao was a horrible gimmick poster.

I completely agree with you on this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 14, 2012, 07:56:59 pm
By the way, I think someone is taking his place, I might be wrong though. Be careful.  :nink:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 16, 2012, 02:06:43 pm
I don't merge my post this time.
I would post this in Warnings or Decisions but since I'm not one of the staff, I'll post it here.
I would have reported it but they're PMs.
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Go To http://zatchbell.wikia.com/wiki/Laila_and_Albert To Get 2 Moves With Albert And I Wrote Moonlight Kick In Special
Crated And Download Tommorow.
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Okay G.O.D You Ready

Guess who he is, he is the same person. And he is requesting something to be made. To me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 16, 2012, 02:43:32 pm
There's a button in the PM, bottom left corner, nearly invisible, that serves to report the PM to the admins.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 16, 2012, 02:44:39 pm
Sorry about that, I'll do it now. Thanks for telling me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on October 16, 2012, 07:47:33 pm
This may sound rude but... does this guy have some sort of mental illness? by the way he types and the way he sounds on his video, lives in New York, thought he was a little kid but apparently he is 21 and is definitely not a foreigner, just wanna clarify if people with such conditions could be considered as trolls? I noticed the problem he has communicating with others or perhaps not able to explain something correctly, if this was the case, would it be unfair for this guy to be banned?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 16, 2012, 10:01:26 pm
He will be treated as any other kid that registers on the guild, if he starts spamming or whatever, people will have patience with him and explain him what is wrong with it once, but not repeatedly. Hes not getting banned over his mental issues, thats for sure



Ive banned people that were claiming to be crying over orochi gill not making characters for them and how mods should intervene.
If someone isnt able to deal with others in a socially acceptable manner then their place is not interacting with others in a forum.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on October 20, 2012, 04:59:38 pm
just shut up, or I make you get banned.
Liar. Bluffer.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 20, 2012, 05:25:59 pm
It's not hard, you just have to keep poking at him, telling him just the right things so he actually replies (without sounding like you're provoking him yourself, but like you're the good guy), then he goes mad and starts throwing shit all over the place and you guys ban him. Pretty normal strategy :mmiley:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 20, 2012, 06:05:37 pm
Yeah, it's kinda boring that it still works, Dumbass.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 20, 2012, 07:03:30 pm
Good strategy! ;D

I told Shafty that no one will make something for him here that day I reported the PM, the result is that he stopped posting.

About PMs, which Admin do I have to report them to? All of the admins or only Iced?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on October 20, 2012, 07:53:59 pm
Since Iced is the admin that is more active in this forum, it's better you send it to him. You can also send it to GMods too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on October 20, 2012, 08:22:54 pm
Liar. Bluffer.
I'd just send a guy called Rajaa on his ass. Should do the trick. :mugoi:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on October 20, 2012, 08:31:02 pm
Since Iced is the admin that is more active in this forum, it's better you send it to him. You can also send it to GMods too.

Yes. Yes, all such things should be sent to Iced exclusively. :yesgoi:[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/pipeumad.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on October 20, 2012, 10:17:35 pm
I didn't mean that you could skip your duty >:(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 20, 2012, 10:55:11 pm
Heheheh...
Thanks for the help, I won't bother you now for silly things. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 21, 2012, 12:39:16 am
It's not hard, you just have to keep poking at him, telling him just the right things so he actually replies (without sounding like you're provoking him yourself, but like you're the good guy), then he goes mad and starts throwing shit all over the place and you guys ban him. Pretty normal strategy :mmiley:
Or maybe we could try and help him become a productive member of the community by explaining what he is doing and why it's wrong. And if he doesn't listen, then ban him.

or I guess we could go with your way of acting like a douche to every newcomer
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 21, 2012, 12:49:32 am
Yeah, way to overreact, clearly I'm saying this should be done to everyone and not just complete assholes who have already displayed total disregard for all kind of open discussion and reasonable behavior. I'm also being very serious and not obviously joking. This is obviously "my way" even though I haven't had any interaction in several years with a newcomer that didn't know what he was doing (and even though I've never done that to begin with). Stop being an idiot. You're making shit up in your head about me for no reason other than you don't like me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 21, 2012, 01:01:14 am
First, fuck you, and second, don't take everything as an aggression.
;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 21, 2012, 01:16:01 am
Right, saying for no reason that I'm a douche to all newcomers is not an aggression.
(if you look closely at the strategy I posted above, you'll see that you're supposed to look like you're not attacking the other out of nowhere ;) otherwise it's just you who are the douche)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on October 21, 2012, 02:27:37 am
Let's drop the tension between the both of you and come to the agreement that if someone is not doing something that they are not supposed to, that it should be dealt with in a mature manner. It can be strict, but not in a way that we are calling someone out in a derogatory way. I believe you two can both agree that doing this for the better of a newcomer in the community is far more better than just getting someone upset on purpose and getting themselves banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 21, 2012, 02:33:14 am
I've never said anything against that - I haven't even said anything about newcomers and I'm not arguing about how mods should handle anyone. I was just humoring Cybaster's fake and hypothetical threat and Rajaa calling him out on bluff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on October 21, 2012, 03:34:17 am
To be fair, some mods have at times used that strategy. Poke poke poke OOH broke rules bye bye. It happens/happened.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on October 21, 2012, 05:24:50 am
I don't think anyone has literally sat down at their computer, looked at their computer's screen, and told themselves that they're going to heckle a person until that person is banned/ban-able. I think it just happens to turn out that way sometimes. Consciously making an effort to force someone into a corner is much worse.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 22, 2012, 09:11:56 pm
well, iced does. with that passive aggresiveness of his (or at least that's what everyone else says)
[avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/avatars/applejackBIG2.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 22, 2012, 09:15:25 pm
well, iced does. with that passive aggresiveness of his (or at leats that's what everyone else says)
People who say that are full of shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on October 22, 2012, 10:16:18 pm
Get off Iced's dick -- that's one cold fuck.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 22, 2012, 10:23:25 pm
Stop fighting for my affection.
I got enough for everyone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 22, 2012, 10:26:11 pm
Get off Iced's dick -- that's one cold fuck.
Eww, have you seen him?

The only dick I'm on is the dick of facts!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 22, 2012, 10:33:51 pm
The only dick I'm on is the dick of facts!
That's way too small and a boring fuck.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on October 22, 2012, 10:40:24 pm
Jmorphman definitely likes to get his facts straight.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 14, 2012, 03:07:47 pm
tortuga gensho's month ban is proper.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on November 14, 2012, 04:32:51 pm
Agreed
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 14, 2012, 10:44:17 pm
as for his previous ban it was set by me and it was over similarly stupid bullshit, i can't remember exactly what though
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on November 14, 2012, 11:06:27 pm
"Quit being a fucking idiot" is all we have to go on.

Didn't realise it was his second. Month is fine.

I'd never even seen him before that thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on November 14, 2012, 11:08:09 pm
pretty sure this isn't his second but rather like his... fourth? i remember he shitstirs a lot
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on November 14, 2012, 11:21:14 pm
pretty sure this isn't his second but rather like his... fourth? i remember he shitstirs a lot
There was only one previous in the ban log and that's the only thing I could find. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on November 15, 2012, 04:50:54 am
His post history shows a lot of his horrendous attitude.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on November 15, 2012, 05:25:19 am
Oh, he was banned before for the same thing?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on November 15, 2012, 10:37:49 am
"Quit being a fucking idiot" is all we have to go on.
LOL.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 30, 2012, 02:42:21 pm
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I don't think Navana should be banned because he didn't answer a question in a thread. He was ignoring you, if he's capable of doing that, then we should all be capable of ignoring him.
that's not how forum moderation works at all
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on November 30, 2012, 03:00:27 pm
Honestly, I agree with Rajaa. It was an obvious attempt at gaining attention that ended up in some people talking about Yugioh and MI, which was possibly the best result as we stopped paying attention to whatever he said. We should do that each time he pulls that stunt, either that or ignoring him. Banning him for three days does nothing at all, in fact he may think he's getting more attention, enough to be banned, and attempt again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on November 30, 2012, 03:16:12 pm
Good luck getting everyone to go along with the "let's just ignore him and he'll go away" plan, that always works.
As long as he's pulling crap, there will be people to pay attention to him, and it will turn into something like this that spans several days of wondering if he needs to be banned or not. And the fact is, he's causing that knowingly and on purpose.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on December 01, 2012, 12:45:02 am
MissBHaven said:
Ignoring a moderator is only a serious problem if the moderator is directing someone to stop breaking rules.  As far as I know making a fake MI, linking to a fake MI, lying (if in fact it is a lie) about making a fake MI or anything to do with a fake MI is not against any rules.
But... pissing off users, mods and admins IS against any rules?? I mean, I've nothing against Navana, but he's clearly making trouble and bothering with his attitude, and this isn't new. And there's a lot of people that has been banned before because of this, why he could make a difference??

Now, about getting permabanned or just banned for a time, I washed my hands... there's a lot of people who want Navana permabanned (since admins to normal users), but that's not my case
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 01, 2012, 01:37:04 am
You all have an ignore option. It's in your profile. Apply it to him if he annoys you. That way you have to actively be annoyed by him. Feel free to use it.

We would prefer that than banning because is this truly and honestly worth a perma ban? Really? He's annoying a few people so permaban?

Use your ignore option please. It's far simpler than us doing an unjustified permanent ban to solve a problem that is mostly other people who can't ignore someone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 01, 2012, 01:42:26 am
why ban anyone under that logic?

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As far as I know making a fake MI, linking to a fake MI, lying (if in fact it is a lie) about making a fake MI or anything to do with a fake MI is not against any rules.
this instance isolated is not worth action. this instance, taking into account everything that previously happened, is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on December 01, 2012, 01:58:49 am
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I don't think Navana should be banned because he didn't answer a question in a thread. He was ignoring you, if he's capable of doing that, then we should all be capable of ignoring him.
that's not how forum moderation works at all

Given the question that he was being asked, he wasn't being moderated, he was being picked on.

Also, my statement was more along the lines of EVERYONE ignoring him when he's not breaking any rules, not how to moderate him. But we all know that's not going to happen in reality.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 01, 2012, 02:04:49 am
why ban anyone under that logic?

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As far as I know making a fake MI, linking to a fake MI, lying (if in fact it is a lie) about making a fake MI or anything to do with a fake MI is not against any rules.
this instance isolated is not worth action. this instance, taking into account everything that previously happened, is.
People being annoyed by him is totally different to someone posting porn, or shock images, or being a complete asshole. He makes posts that don't annoy me at all. Not even slightly. He's only annoying if you engage with him. He posts the same way regardless of your interaction. This is kind of self inflicted. You get annoyed by him because you let him annoy you.

If you want that to stop, ignore him. Maybe it'll stop altogether and we don't need to spend time fucking with fake accounts of him coming back over and over.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 01, 2012, 02:10:03 am
If he were that annoying in something regarding actual mugen works, I would support the ban, but he seems to get annoying in unrelated sections so a permaban is too much, still a 3 days ban might be too short, a week or month long ban should be deserved now if only because he has been banned too often.


(personally he hardly ever annoys me, as attention whoring seems to be his bigger fault is nto as bad as ruining topic or being too rude to people)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 01, 2012, 06:29:14 am
People being annoyed by him is totally different to someone posting porn, or shock images, or being a complete asshole.
the amount of people that get banned over porn or shock images is minimal compared to the amount of people banned for being annoying or assholes, so that's not exactly relevant. plus if someone's being a complete asshole, put them on ignore. it's just words, right. it's not anything illegal. why ban anyone for that.

what counts as annoying or being an asshole are clearly subjective things. while he might not annoy you, he has annoyed other users to the point some staff members believe navana deserves a ban.

attention whoring seems to be his bigger fault is nto as bad as ruining topic
his attention whoring ruins threads.
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1671044
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1669682
it also creates shit threads by proxy
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/reacting-146186.0.html

Given the question that he was being asked, he wasn't being moderated, he was being picked on.
he was being moderated on grounds of dishonesty
the rules said:
Do not lie, be honest
a rule he disregarded several times. you might as well remove that line from the rules. while i can easily put him on ignore (just like i could with any offensive user), i don't believe the rest of the userbase should be subject to his constant horseshit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 01, 2012, 08:01:33 am
good points, I guess it's similar to the gbk case, where the people (including staff ) that he managed to piss off all wanted him bnned, while the people uninvolved did not even want him banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on December 01, 2012, 08:13:13 am
good points, I guess it's similar to the gbk case, where the people (including staff ) that he managed to piss off all wanted him bnned, while the people uninvolved did not even want him banned.
(http://caddie.smeenet.org/gbkkeanu2.png)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on December 01, 2012, 08:40:06 am
Lol, I miss that guy
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 01, 2012, 08:59:25 am
So he made stupid posts and everyone responded to them. His post didn't ruin the thread. It was just a load of shit that happens any time someone people think is stupid posts and they feel this need to correct them and prove how dumb they are. Every single time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on December 01, 2012, 01:00:30 pm
plus if someone's being a complete asshole, put them on ignore. it's just words, right. it's not anything illegal. why ban anyone for that.
I think only MissBhaven believes that. And I don't even think she believes that she believes that.

he was being moderated on grounds of dishonesty
the rules said:
Do not lie, be honest
a rule he disregarded several times. you might as well remove that line from the rules. while i can easily put him on ignore (just like i could with any offensive user), i don't believe the rest of the userbase should be subject to his constant horseshit.
Thanks for reminding me of that rule. It's been so long since someone had to be be banned purely for lying that I forgot that part existed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on December 01, 2012, 01:14:28 pm
As long as he posts, someone will respond. You will never find a time where everyone suddenly gets enlightened and actually ignores him. As long as he posts, there will be a clash, one way or another. One day with this person, an other day with that person. And he's causing those clashes.
"Just ignore him" is a shit response. If he's doing something bad, he should know the consequences. If he's doing it repeatedly, on purpose and everything, it's his fault. Not the fault of those who respond. Well, a bit, but from a broader point of view, it's not.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on December 01, 2012, 01:18:21 pm
 
plus if someone's being a complete asshole, put them on ignore. it's just words, right. it's not anything illegal. why ban anyone for that.
I think only MissBhaven believes that. And I don't even think she believes that she believes that.

he was being moderated on grounds of dishonesty
the rules said:
Do not lie, be honest
a rule he disregarded several times. you might as well remove that line from the rules. while i can easily put him on ignore (just like i could with any offensive user), i don't believe the rest of the userbase should be subject to his constant horseshit.
Thanks for reminding me of that rule. It's been so long since someone had to be be banned purely for lying that I forgot that part existed.


Says the guy who set up a fake MI a few years back and the other guy who pretended to be female.  Except that was all fun and games, right?  It was different when Titiln and Rajaa did it.  It occurred to me about 4 am that Navana is acting like one of the gaggle of 14 year old girls I see at the mall. Obnoxious, attention seeking, DRAMA, everything that most mature people don't like to be around, but ignore or tolerate.

I dont think any of you want to start forcing the "be honest" rule and it's not fair for you to cherry pick who has to follow which rules ALL of the time.  If we start banning people because we can't stand their obnoxious posting, I have a growing list I'd like to submit.  I know I can't isolate myself from crude, intolerant, loudmouthed, nasty, hateful people (here or out there in the real world) so I chose to ignore them.

:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on December 01, 2012, 01:20:00 pm
I know I can't isolate myself from crude, intolerant, loudmouthed, nasty, hateful people (here or out there in the real world) so I chose to ignore them.
Good for you, except you're the government who is supposed to protect those who can't be as clever as you.
Why are you a gmod, anyway ? What does it mean to you, and what actions do you take for it ? You only talk about things not to do.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on December 01, 2012, 01:33:48 pm
As long as he posts, someone will respond. You will never find a time where everyone suddenly gets enlightened and actually ignores him.
We already know that and we have expressed multiple times that that's just wishful thinking. It is, however, possible to create a culture in which attention whores are simply ignored once they're discovered to be, in fact, attention whores. It doesn't hurt to implant the idea into people's heads.

Says the guy who set up a fake MI a few years back and the other guy who pretended to be female.  Except that was all fun and games, right?  It was different when Titiln and Rajaa did it.  It occurred to me about 4 am that Navana is acting like one of the gaggle of 14 year old girls I see at the mall. Obnoxious, attention seeking, DRAMA, everything that most mature people don't like to be around, but ignore or tolerate.
I had no contribution to the creating of that fake MI board and the difference between now and then is that everyone knew it was fake and nobody lied about who created it.

I dont think any of you want to start forcing the "be honest" rule and it's not fair for you to cherry pick who has to follow which rules ALL of the time.  If we start banning people because we can't stand their obnoxious posting, I have a growing list I'd like to submit.  I know I can't isolate myself from crude, intolerant, loudmouthed, nasty, hateful people (here or out there in the real world) so I chose to ignore them.

:bow:
That rule was there when we became moderators, and it has remained there ever since. And enforcing rules for certain people who continuously break certain rules is exactly why certain rules exist, I don't see your point. Plus, even if you do personally think that certain people are being obnoxious, not every obnoxious person ruins threads, etc, so the rules don't necessarily need to be enforced on them. Discretion is a wonderful thing, isn't it? Just because one person needs to be banned for breaking a certain rule, doesn't everybody needs to be banned. Depends on intention, history, etc.

This goes back to: Do basic social skills need to be in the rules?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on December 01, 2012, 02:23:05 pm
Why are you a gmod, anyway ? What does it mean to you, and what actions do you take for it ?

I was asked to help and I agreed.  I've never made it a secret that I'm a terrible moderator and that I wont change my stance that banning should be avoided (except for something illegal), moderation should be behind the scenes and hands off for the most part and that most people are reasonable and can work out differences.

I had no contribution to the creating of that fake MI board and the difference between now and then is that everyone knew it was fake.

Not exactly...  Kratos (for one) was deceived into thinking it was real.  Using the exact same skin, boards, etc is an attempt to trick people, not announcing it's fake.  I thought it was a clever prank myself.

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That rule was there when we became moderators, and it has remained there ever since. And enforcing rules for certain people who continuously break certain rules is exactly why certain rules exist, I don't see your point. Plus, even if you do personally think that certain people are being obnoxious, not every obnoxious person ruins threads, etc, so the rules don't necessarily need to be enforced on them. Discretion is a wonderful thing, isn't it? Just because one person needs to be banned for breaking a certain rule, doesn't everybody needs to be banned. Depends on intention, history, etc.

This goes back to: Do basic social skills need to be in the rules?

I think we agree that Navana doesnt ruin every thread he posts in by being obnoxious.  And I dont believe any of us knows a persons intention 100% of the time.

What kind of basic social skills?  Because you are getting into an area of discrimination there.

:bow:

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: hjk on December 01, 2012, 02:25:16 pm
As long as he posts, someone will respond. You will never find a time where everyone suddenly gets enlightened and actually ignores him. As long as he posts, there will be a clash, one way or another. One day with this person, an other day with that person. And he's causing those clashes.
"Just ignore him" is a shit response. If he's doing something bad, he should know the consequences. If he's doing it repeatedly, on purpose and everything, it's his fault. Not the fault of those who respond. Well, a bit, but from a broader point of view, it's not.
'I can't grow up and ignore him,' is a shit response. No matter how many people feel compelled to reply, they're just being stupid and it's their own faults.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on December 01, 2012, 02:51:35 pm
I just said that, you're quoting me saying that. I'm also saying it's their fault on the scale of one happening, but overall, it's not. If one person is constantly making it so people react this way, and on a regular basis, he's the cause of it. It's a question of judging the gun or the shooter.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on December 01, 2012, 03:02:18 pm
I had no contribution to the creating of that fake MI board and the difference between now and then is that everyone knew it was fake.

Not exactly...  Kratos (for one) was deceived into thinking it was real.  Using the exact same skin, boards, etc is an attempt to trick people, not announcing it's fake.  I thought it was a clever prank myself.
Wasn't the forum made on April Fools' day?

And I dont believe any of us knows a persons intention 100% of the time.
Let's not ban because we don't know people's intentions 100% of the time. I take it that you're not a fan of criminal trials and juries?

What kind of basic social skills?  Because you are getting into an area of discrimination there.

:bow:
What other kind of basic social skills? Don't be Navana; don't be named John Bilski; don't be gay; don't exist.

Those are basic social skills. Keep up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: hjk on December 01, 2012, 03:11:54 pm
As long as he posts, someone will respond. You will never find a time where everyone suddenly gets enlightened and actually ignores him. As long as he posts, there will be a clash, one way or another. One day with this person, an other day with that person. And he's causing those clashes.
"Just ignore him" is a shit response. If he's doing something bad, he should know the consequences. If he's doing it repeatedly, on purpose and everything, it's his fault. Not the fault of those who respond. Well, a bit, but from a broader point of view, it's not.
Not to draw this out, but I bolded the parts of your post that I'm reacting to. I'm saying that the reactor holds the most blame, not Navana.

But I see what you're saying. I thought you were targeting him, which you weren't, so I'll withdraw.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on December 01, 2012, 03:15:18 pm
I'm saying that the reactor holds the most blame, not Navana.

I thought you were targeting him, which you weren't
In the part you bold, when I say "Not the fault of those who respond. Well, a bit, but from a broader point of view, it's not" by opposition it means the one reacting are responsible for it only on a small scale. On a bigger scale, when it happens repeatedly, the ones reacting are not the cause, they're the effect. The cause is still Navana. I am targeting him. When you say the one responsible are the ones who react, you're looking at a too small scale, you're looking at one particular event and judging the whole situation for it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on December 01, 2012, 03:15:55 pm
Wasn't the forum made on April Fools' day?

No, that would have been too obvious, even for Kratos.

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And I dont believe any of us knows a persons intention 100% of the time.
Let's not ban because we don't know people's intentions 100% of the time. I take it that you're not a fan of criminal trials and juries?

Pay attention cupcake, I already said I support banning someone who's done something illegal.

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What kind of basic social skills?  Because you are getting into an area of discrimination there.

:bow:
What other kind of basic social skills? Don't be Navana; don't be named John Bilski; don't be gay; don't exist.

Those are basic social skills. Keep up.

This comment is totally uncalled for in this thread.

I'm sure I'm splitting hairs, but saying someone has to have social skills to post here is a bit different than saying someone most post here in a socially acceptable way. 

:bow:   <-  yes I use a smilie at the end of my posts to irritate people,  should I be banned for it?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on December 01, 2012, 03:17:37 pm
Pay attention cupcake, I already said I support banning someone who's done something illegal.
But what if it wasn't his intention ?? Should we be banning him if he's only a victim ?? We can't be 100% sure !
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: hjk on December 01, 2012, 03:21:59 pm
In the part you bold, when I say "Not the fault of those who respond. Well, a bit, but from a broader point of view, it's not" by opposition it means the one reacting are responsible for it only on a small scale. On a bigger scale, when it happens repeatedly, the ones reacting are not the cause, they're the effect. The cause is still Navana. I am targeting him. When you say the one responsible are the ones who react, you're looking at a too small scale, you're looking at one particular event and judging the whole situation for it.
That's how I interpreted it, but we'll just agree to disagree.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 01, 2012, 03:48:04 pm
fake mugen infantry was made on or around april fools, was not associated to a mystery bullshit name and was quickly revealed to be a joke (even though it was fairly obvious and most people didn't fall for it). from the ridiculous angle (i bought it from aztec) to the date (april fools or very near it) to the forum itself having joke descriptions for some of the boards it should've been obvious that it was a joke and i was surprised anyone at all fell for it. none of that applies to navana who attempted to cash in for the lack of a forum to make his own and get some activity. nice try though

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So he made stupid posts and everyone responded to them. His post didn't ruin the thread. It was just a load of shit that happens any time someone people think is stupid posts and they feel this need to correct them and prove how dumb they are. Every single time.
unban peterfoster. i didn't mind his posts. i hella liked his posts. anyone that doesn't like him can just put him on ignore. it's not his fault that people respond to the stupid posts he makes. this goes for everybody that got banned for just being a shitty poster.


Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on December 01, 2012, 04:21:26 pm
Given the question that he was being asked, he wasn't being moderated, he was being picked on.
Seriously? A simple question is picking on him?

good points, I guess it's similar to the gbk case, where the people (including staff ) that he managed to piss off all wanted him bnned, while the people uninvolved did not even want him banned.
Nobody is pissed off by Navana. And nobody was pissed off by GBK.

Why are you a gmod, anyway ? What does it mean to you, and what actions do you take for it ? You only talk about things not to do.
It's good to have a dissenting voice in things.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on December 01, 2012, 04:25:53 pm
Pay attention cupcake, I already said I support banning someone who's done something illegal.
My point was that people don't get convicted on 100% certainty. Of course, this isn't a criminal trial, but this example is not a wild comparison considering it points out that no one can be 100% sure of something unless they actually witnessed it with their own senses. And even senses aren't  100% accurate. That's why relying on past events and behaviors to make a decision on someone is useful, because it helps us determine what the intent of someone might be. Navana, in this case, has various examples of lying and conniving.

This comment is totally uncalled for in this thread.
I guess I need to work on my social skills.

I'm sure I'm splitting hairs, but saying someone has to have social skills to post here is a bit different than saying someone most post here in a socially acceptable way. 
Nobody said someone should be banned for not having social skills, I just said that the sub discussion that we were having comes down to us having basic social interactions in the rules so we don't have to hear you complain about banning someone for something that's not in the rules. I thought that was clear, apparently it wasn't, so I hope you understand now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on December 01, 2012, 05:45:04 pm
Why are you a gmod, anyway ? What does it mean to you, and what actions do you take for it ? You only talk about things not to do.
It's good to have a dissenting voice in things.
This topic.
Of course it depends if, in your mind, discussions here have the same weigh as a discussion in the staff section. I really mean in your mind, the discussions are mostly going well here, you treat this topic seriously enough, but does it weigh as much ? If MBH was not staff but saying the same things here than she says in the staff section, would it be the same in your head ?

I'm not trying to imply you treat staff differently than you treat the plebe, I'm saying that if you don't, then the real difference between being a gmod and not being one is actually having the power to do things, not being the voice of opposition, since this topic works just fine for that. And if someone doesn't use those powers (as long as they're being used rightfully etc. of course), what worth does it have to have them ?
(again, this is assuming an equal value in the words of different people, the above would be terribly bad in the opposite situation)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on December 01, 2012, 07:14:47 pm
This topic.
Yes but I meant among the mods.

Of course it depends if, in your mind, discussions here have the same weigh as a discussion in the staff section.
It doesn't. It's important, but not equal.

If MBH was not staff but saying the same things here than she says in the staff section, would it be the same in your head ?
Personally, I don't think it would be. For a whole bunch of reasons.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 01, 2012, 10:05:46 pm
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unban peterfoster. i didn't mind his posts. i hella liked his posts. anyone that doesn't like him can just put him on ignore. it's not his fault that people respond to the stupid posts he makes. this goes for everybody that got banned for just being a shitty poster.
Peterfoster posted about 3 times as much as navana and made threads at a much greater rate than him as well. He was ACTIVELY disruptive. And "don't be a shitty poster" was never in the rules and we shouldn't have banned anyone for it as it makes us look like massive hypocrits. We have the option now, but when peter and a variety of other people were banned, we did not.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on December 01, 2012, 10:16:54 pm
"Don't be a shitty poster" is in the rules though. It's the summation of the entire rules thread, in fact.

p.s. not banning someone unless they do something "illegal" is not just a dissenting opinion, it's a fucking ridiculous standard that should be held by a failed cop that got kicked off the force, not some global mod on a mugen forum. Get real imo
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on December 01, 2012, 10:35:39 pm
Find myself agreeing with tempest.

Also comparing pranks to someone that repeatedly lies, gets caught, denies, comes back and begs forgiveness, lies again, gets caught,denies,  comes back and begs forgiveness over and over again is literalist and dumb as nails.
Navana wasnt banned over pretending to be a woman, same way that mbh wasnt banned over joking about being a man, EVEN THO everyone knows that mbh was joking and Navana was stealing photos from a real girl to do it and try to manipulate people.
Someone doing a prank on someone else is not the same as someone THAT LITERALLY PRETENDS TO HAVE NO MUGEN SKILLS SO THEY CAN GET CODERS TO TEACH HIM CODING(even after caddie trained him ) . Holy shit.  Its someone that preys on people that dont know them in order to get them to waste their time. If you had someone coming to your neighbourhood pretending to be homeless and begging money off people when they didnt even need the money you would want to get rid of the person.

I dont care if navana gets banned or not, i already permabanned him once for being manipulative and lying constantly. But having a discussion about his behaviour turn into literalism and detail bickering is dumb, weigh in what he is doing and what effects it could have, and decide if its worth ignoring or not, dont go around acting like pseudo lawyers.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 01, 2012, 10:55:18 pm
Everyones definition of "shitty poster" is different and making a post many users see as dumb is not the same as doing something wrong. If you're stupid, don't join this forum. Yep, excellent mentality.

It is not our job to "fix" people. A moderator is a janitor. Badgering someone to obey some forum mentality isn't something we should be doing.

I'm with MBH, i think we permaban too much for little things. And this is little. Very little.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on December 01, 2012, 10:56:41 pm
man, this guy navana sure got exaclty what he wanted becasue you fuckers can't stop talking about him
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on December 01, 2012, 11:44:53 pm
Why are so many of you defending Navana?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cazaki on December 01, 2012, 11:55:09 pm
I think Navana isn't a such a problem if you cool your jets.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on December 01, 2012, 11:59:12 pm
Been trying to but he's derailed so much of the forum, really if the moderators are supposed to be "Janitors" then could you at least clean the source of the filth? Also if said person isn't going to obey forum rules then why not do something about him?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 01, 2012, 11:59:37 pm
the ones that haven't dealt with navana don't see it as a big deal and isolate the issue, the ones that have dealt with him for longer and are aware of how many times he has pulled similar shit, however, do. if he was previously banned (permanently somehow, but he came back so i guess he was forgiven?) on grounds of lying then he clearly should be banned again, because he's lying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cazaki on December 02, 2012, 12:02:53 am
I guess you're right, I don't think I'll understand why it's a big deal
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on December 02, 2012, 12:08:03 am
He lies, he uses people, (Such as Ryon for example), and then he whines about it asking for sympathy. Not only that but his smug attitude and constant ignoring of the rules. He contributes nothing to the forum at all, his releases are shit or often cries of attention.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on December 02, 2012, 12:11:25 am
Just the way he made a stage that people liked and then said he'd make it private because they liked it irked me. Add that on top of the rest of his crap and I have to go with banning too. I don't care about the stage at all, it's just further proof of what he is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Joulz on December 02, 2012, 01:38:11 am
man, this guy navana sure got exaclty what he wanted becasue you fuckers can't stop talking about him

that is exactly what i've been thinking for a while now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 02, 2012, 05:38:09 am
Let's ban all heretics as well.

Honestly I've dealt with him and even I think a permaban is overkill
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on December 02, 2012, 11:11:25 am
fake mugen infantry was made on or around april fools,

I thought it was earlier in March, but you're probably right.  Whenever... it was a lot of fun.

Things just don't bother me as much as they do everyone else I guess.

:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on December 02, 2012, 12:01:46 pm
Honestly I've dealt with him and even I think a permaban is overkill
Said the guy who takes a piss on a topic whenever ponies are brought up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on December 02, 2012, 02:18:44 pm
rarity trixie is best pony, quote this post if you agree
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on December 04, 2012, 02:04:50 pm
So I tried the ignore feature for the first time today, what with all the "GUYS STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT NAVANA, USE THE IGNORE FEATURE" and...

1) The post is spoilered. I've never seen a spoiler I didn't click on, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

2) So let's say I supress the urge to click on the post. I still get to read it when I hit "Reply."

So in short, telling someone to put a bothersome user on the Ignore List is dumb because it does jack crap (except maybe for PM's, I dunno), and people who talk about how they can't see the offending posts are lying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on December 04, 2012, 02:08:08 pm
Well unless they would like to edit the features, in the mean time you just have to resist the urge to press the spoiler....~
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on December 04, 2012, 02:59:00 pm
So I tried the ignore feature for the first time today, what with all the "GUYS STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT NAVANA, USE THE IGNORE FEATURE" and...

1) The post is spoilered. I've never seen a spoiler I didn't click on, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

2) So let's say I supress the urge to click on the post. I still get to read it when I hit "Reply."
3) You can still see the thread the ignored person created (I ignored Wlanmaniax and I still see his ugly threads in Releases). You forgot that one, Jango, and I agree with you, too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on December 04, 2012, 09:03:18 pm
If you want an example of how to handle the Ignore function:

1) I see that the person I have on Ignore has posted something.
2) I check the message, if I want to post in that thread, so it doesn't feel completely disconnected from the current discussion, or just to make sure if it's something really relevant that I need to know.
3) I refresh so the spoiler returns and I don't have to watch his/her comments in case they prove it was a good reason to put the user on Ignore.

It's more like helping you to control yourself from paying attention to him/her, rather than just making you unable to see any comment from him/her. And if you think about this, it's rather pointless to make you completely unable to read all of his/her posts, because if someone quotes the user, then you will be able to watch its comments, and maaaaaybe it doesn't post stupid things all the time. Honestly, the way it works right now is fine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on December 06, 2012, 08:38:54 am
And here I was, thinking that the "ignore feature" made the one you put on your list completely disappear from Guild, with his posts not existing at all on your end.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on December 06, 2012, 08:41:21 am
Please make the ignore feature delete the account of the users I choose to ignore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on December 06, 2012, 09:10:01 am
I didn't say that. ::)

Remember when some staff members were talking about a punishment for some guy who kept posting too much crap, and they wanted his posts to be invisible to all users except for himself, so he'd be wondering why nobody answers his posts, making him feel lonely and possibly lead him to suicide make him leave.
Well, I thought this was finally implemented, but in a more global way. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on December 06, 2012, 09:48:33 am
Ninja ban. Good time it would be.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 06, 2012, 09:50:11 am
Still disappointed that's too hard to implement. That would be far more useful than a normal ban.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 06, 2012, 01:24:02 pm
"ninja bans" are just cruel and not worth the effort of implementing
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on December 06, 2012, 01:30:08 pm
I didn't say that. ::)

Remember when some staff members were talking about a punishment for some guy who kept posting too much crap, and they wanted his posts to be invisible to all users except for himself, so he'd be wondering why nobody answers his posts, making him feel lonely and possibly lead him to suicide make him leave.
Well, I thought this was finally implemented, but in a more global way. :P

Oh, I was just going along with you and exaggerating even further. Since you're like the king of exaggerating and stuff, I thought you'd get it. =p
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on December 06, 2012, 03:49:55 pm
Well Jango since we can't get what we want, we might as well ignore him and not give him the attention he desires, I know it's hard but at least try dude.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 06, 2012, 03:54:10 pm
i find it ridiculous that someone that was previously permabanned for lying and being an attention whore in general can come back, do literally the same thing and go unpunished
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on December 06, 2012, 03:57:59 pm
So I tried the ignore feature for the first time today, what with all the "GUYS STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT NAVANA, USE THE IGNORE FEATURE" and...

1) The post is spoilered. I've never seen a spoiler I didn't click on, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

2) So let's say I supress the urge to click on the post. I still get to read it when I hit "Reply."

So in short, telling someone to put a bothersome user on the Ignore List is dumb because it does jack crap (except maybe for PM's, I dunno), and people who talk about how they can't see the offending posts are lying.
Just FYI, before the overhaul ... the interactions of the ignored poster would still be shown like a regular post, except a spoiler INSIDE the post would appear sating something like "Spoiler: You're ignoring this user"

Now it appears as Collapsed in a completely ignorable yellow, same as the "Last edited by" which you should train your mind to ignore anyway. So you have it a lot better now, you just need to control your urge to click the damn collapsed ignorable yellow spoiler.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 06, 2012, 05:51:55 pm
Still disappointed that's too hard to implement. That would be far more useful than a normal ban.
tell valodim to code it like a normal ignore, but make the spoiler link unclickable.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on December 06, 2012, 10:19:52 pm
i find it ridiculous that someone that was previously permabanned for lying and being an attention whore in general can come back, do literally the same thing and go unpunished
I thought he was banned for pretending to be another person the first time, and the second was for ignoring moderator's orders. Lying about a forum isn't really on the same level, IMO.

I dunno, I'm just not that worked up about it. And most people aren't replying to Navana anyway (despite his every effort), so it's not like he's being very distrustful. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on December 06, 2012, 10:33:53 pm
After he was exposed he made another account to trap, it was quickly seen and both his normal and new account were banned. He made a third one but that got banned as we didn't want him. Also it's not just lying, he's horribly disruptive to the forum, honestly, would it hurt if he got banned? Would anyone honestly give a flying fuck?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 06, 2012, 11:00:15 pm
I thought he was banned for pretending to be another person the first time, and the second was for ignoring moderator's orders.
i already permabanned him once for being manipulative and lying constantly.
banned for lying, somehow unbanned, blatantly lies again, is still posting.
EDIT: linking for relevancy (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1675293)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on December 06, 2012, 11:44:33 pm
I've never seen someone so eager to get someone else banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 06, 2012, 11:47:21 pm
address the issue at hand
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on December 06, 2012, 11:48:28 pm
I've never seen someone so eager to get someone else banned.
>:|

That's kinda a ridiculous statement, isn't it?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on December 07, 2012, 12:03:23 am
No, it's not, it's ridiculous that we're still talking about something that has already passed. We have already passed all of the issues that have been brought up and we have taken action for all of them, including you hastily banning Navana because he didn't answer a question to which you already knew the answer.

He hasn't disrupted anyone since he's gotten back for the umpteenth time, so what are we supposed to do? Punish him twice for the incidents of the past? I fail to see how him not being banned affects the continuance of this forum to the point of there actually being a rally for his banishment.

If he acts up again, he will get punished again; next time do it right so we don't have to have these ban-rallies.

And bringing up evidence for something that was already been handled (no matter how inefficiently) is moot.

Let this go already. Navana is not that serious.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on December 07, 2012, 12:08:51 am
Punish him twice for the incidents of the past?
Prevent him from doing it again ? No ? Okay, maybe not take so long to react to something so obvious next time ? ... Anyone ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on December 07, 2012, 12:16:38 am
He was already punished once for one thing, punishing him again for that same issue after his first punishment for that issue is over is not something that I support.

Take long to react to what? Some kid lying about a irrelevant free-forum in a thread related to the irrelevant free-forum? I'm not seeing the big deal and the need for immediate, crucial action.

He's not a serious threat.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on December 07, 2012, 12:19:22 am
including you hastily banning Navana because he didn't answer a question to which you already knew the answer.
How was that hasty? I gave him three chances to answer a pretty basic question, and he refused to do that. And after that banning, people are ignoring him. I'd say it was a success.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on December 07, 2012, 12:45:41 am
Okay, I am up to date:

He's seeking attention by placing the link to that forum in his signature.

Perma-ban him, or shut up about it (not in a rude way). I regret giving him the attention he was seeking by noticing his avatar, but it wasn't that obvious at that point, now it is. There is no need for a debate, nobody needs to make a case, either you are going to ban him forever or you aren't.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on December 07, 2012, 12:50:12 am
He hasn't disrupted anyone since he's gotten back for the umpteenth time, so what are we supposed to do? Punish him twice for the incidents of the past? I fail to see how him not being banned affects the continuance of this forum to the point of there actually being a rally for his banishment.
It's not about having a good reason to ban him, it's about sending a message

Edit: Ninja'd .-.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on December 07, 2012, 04:22:58 pm
Just ignore me and go on with your lives. The world doesn't revolve around me. K', Thanks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on December 07, 2012, 05:54:15 pm
Just ignore me and go on with your lives. The world doesn't revolve around me. K', Thanks.

I am one of the few people on staff here who has argued against banning you for your immaturity.   This is obviously an attempt to get people to start talking about you again because you lost the spotlight for a few hours.  The NEXT time you come into this thread attempting to stir things up, I'll ban you myself if someone else doesn't beat me to it.  It really has come down to grow up or get out.  And do not reply to this Navana/Sniper...   the rest of you let it alone too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: momo! on December 28, 2012, 06:41:44 am
I love you and your wisdom MBH
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 05, 2013, 07:25:08 pm
I know this is not regarding the warnings or other stuff, but why Chamat has only ten posts in his post count? :stare:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Froz on January 05, 2013, 07:27:22 pm
That would probably go to the "my little overhaul" thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs Sese Seko Nkuku Ngben... on January 05, 2013, 07:33:33 pm
No, it has nothing to do with the forum overhaul.

Chamat woke up one day after new year and decided to delete almost all of his posts. Not a forum bug. Not a staff decision. Nothing to see here people, move on.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 06, 2013, 08:24:52 pm
who the fuck was chamat?

wasn't he a spriter or something?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 06, 2013, 08:29:18 pm
It is him (http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/-ட-ந-க-ற-க-ţ--44115).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on January 06, 2013, 10:45:53 pm
Are you unable to recover any of his posts?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 06, 2013, 10:55:09 pm
All of his posts are in the recycle bin.
But:
No, it has nothing to do with the forum overhaul.

Chamat woke up one day after new year and decided to delete almost all of his posts. Not a forum bug. Not a staff decision. Nothing to see here people, move on.

Maybe it was his decision, but it still sounds strange to me. Well...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on January 07, 2013, 12:15:48 pm
I didn't mean that I couldn't find them, I know they're in the Recycle Bin. What I mean is, all of his posts have been edited into a '.', so you basically can't read anything he has posted.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 07, 2013, 12:18:24 pm
yeah that makes it impossible to return them without rolling back the server, which isnt impossible ( we did it for vans after all ) but which implies getitng val to work on it.
Its an odd situation, i would have preferred chamat hadnt done that. I would rather have given him a new account than that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on January 07, 2013, 12:21:58 pm
You may want to restrict him from editing his own posts, so he doesn't '.' the remaining ones, as there's still like 4-5 pages that he hasn't '.' yet.

But wow, he spent 2 days editing all of his 30+ pages of history.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 07, 2013, 12:22:46 pm
you cant edit in the recycle bin afaik

he edited over 200 posts, one by one, dont ask me the reasoning, i dont get it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on January 07, 2013, 12:24:07 pm
But you can before throwing it into the Recycle Bin, which is probably what he did.

And I'm not asking the reasoning, just wondering if it was possible to recover. His reason may be related to his private life, similar to what happened with Vans. Who knows.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 07, 2013, 07:39:13 pm
But wow, he spent 2 days editing all of his 30+ pages of history.
Who does this, seriously. :|
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 07, 2013, 08:08:12 pm
someone who is pissed off. still does not seem to apply to chamat's case.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Joulz on January 07, 2013, 09:44:21 pm
or someone who tries to erase his shitty posts count to start over like it never happened (in the hope that maybe people will forget and stop toying with him)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 07, 2013, 10:01:38 pm
still does not seem to apply to chamat's case.

By the way, I'm sorry to have caused all of this.  :anxious:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 07, 2013, 10:02:57 pm
You didn't do anything wrong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 07, 2013, 10:04:47 pm
So was it right to have posted here about the subject?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 07, 2013, 10:11:34 pm
Well, I dunno if this is the right place but it's not like it fits anywhere else that easily.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on January 08, 2013, 03:06:11 am
that's what she said
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 08, 2013, 04:25:07 am
that's what she said
fixed
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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Joulz on January 08, 2013, 04:37:10 am
nice DP guys
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on January 08, 2013, 05:07:02 am
This thread is doomed to derail isn't it?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on January 08, 2013, 05:08:42 am
Your right, lets get it back on track.

So how about that Celest guy eh? Reminds me of my 08' self
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 08, 2013, 06:01:54 am
I say give him a quick banning if he starts crap up again. Has he been banned once or twice?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on January 08, 2013, 06:04:14 am
He's a kid so I don't expect much from him, however he's still too young to even be registered here. Unfortunately the kid doesn't listen to what people tell him and instead continues to do what got him in trouble in the first place.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 08, 2013, 06:05:58 am
Not to mention he knows people tell him to grow up and actually contribute, but he refuses to listen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 08, 2013, 06:41:48 am
He's on his last warning. We're watching him carefully.

  highlight->  OBEY
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on January 08, 2013, 07:53:50 am
In regard to Chamat's thing :
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I wanted to clean everything up because I painted my house and did several changes to it, it looks so bright and new, I wanted to do the same with my profile, also because the new year. I did so in my other forums but here I couldnt convince the staff to clean my stuff from the recycle bin, is an annoying task i know.

And because I want to really focus in MY wips, so I wont be helping nobody like I used to, nothing against the forum, but I realize that Im wasting time doing so.

Anyway I let all the useful things I said: my Freezer concept, tutorials, and my gallery. Everything else had images with broken links so it wasnt useful at all and was old or simply useless.
Oh well. At least he's not angry or something.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 08, 2013, 08:03:30 am
Yeah, it's really weird and pretty dumb. There was no need to delete your post history just because you want to focus on WIPs. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DMK on January 08, 2013, 08:04:22 am
Always good to hear. Still kinda overboard to wipe them out or flat out delete things, just sounds like a lot more work then it would ever be worth, especially if they were dead links to things.  :hugoi:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on January 08, 2013, 10:49:33 am
Was he the one who helped CVSNB with a bunch of Asuka animations? Or was that someone else? No offense to CVSNB, but that may be one of the things he's referring to, since he never finished it. Just throwing that out there. Unless I'm wrong, in which case ignore this message. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on January 08, 2013, 10:58:47 am
If he wanted to start fresh a new account would have been a better answer. All this is going to do is make everyone remember that he's the guy who went and deleted his post history for no apparent reason.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on January 08, 2013, 11:04:28 am
make everyone remember that he's the guy who went and deleted his post history for no apparent reason.
Mostly because everyone is talking about it for a couple of pages.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 08, 2013, 11:19:41 am
that would always happen.

unless you are suggesting people get prohibited from mentioning it, which i dont really think you are.

Damn, some threads like the rogue thread are now full of holes and rajaa talking to himself. And chamat posts are missing too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 08, 2013, 02:18:53 pm
Was he the one who helped CVSNB with a bunch of Asuka animations? Or was that someone else? No offense to CVSNB, but that may be one of the things he's referring to, since he never finished it. Just throwing that out there. Unless I'm wrong, in which case ignore this message. :P
Yes, it was him, he corrected a bit of CvSNB's animations.
In regard to Chamat's thing :
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Oh well. At least he's not angry or something.

Well, at least he's fine. Good for him then. :)
Okay, I'll leave you now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 08, 2013, 04:20:50 pm
that would always happen.

unless you are suggesting people get prohibited from mentioning it, which i dont really think you are.

Damn, some threads like the rogue thread are now full of holes and rajaa talking to himself. And chamat posts are missing too.

you just noticed ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 08, 2013, 07:12:14 pm
so you're saying rajaa is not crazy and talks to himself on his own wip threads?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 08, 2013, 07:17:22 pm
Yes, but only because some posts were deleted. If you look at the last posts, you can see him talking with Chamat (that deleted his posts), and a non-intentional double post.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 10, 2013, 06:28:09 am
Suck it Bitch
why is he still here?

see also: http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/sophitia-alpha-released-123112-146953.20.html
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on January 10, 2013, 06:39:15 am
Can we just keep him until early April? I was kind of thinking of something involving that time period, since you know, it's a very serious time of the year.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on January 10, 2013, 07:26:09 pm
Suck it Bitch
why is he still here?

see also: http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/sophitia-alpha-released-123112-146953.20.html

Considering he's permabanned from MFFA for acting more or less the same way he is now, I wonder about that myself. Besides, didn't Jmorph say he was already on his last warning? Seems like he just blew it.

Can we just keep him until early April? I was kind of thinking of something involving that time period, since you know, it's a very serious time of the year.

I find it hilarious because it would be fucked up on so many levels, but do you really want his crappy attitude for the next 2-3 months? I mean he's already cussing people out for using the report button on necroposts (and I'm not talking about the Brownsville comment he made months ago, I'm talking about during the past week or so)

     Posted: January 10, 2013, 07:35:30 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/re-hloader-mugen-3-custom-portraits-118150.0.html

Found the post I was talking about.

On a side note, I have to admit I found his post comparing Cyanide to Obama pretty hilarious
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Watta on January 10, 2013, 09:47:58 pm
Considering he's permabanned from MFFA for acting more or less the same way he is now, I wonder about that myself. Besides, didn't Jmorph say he was already on his last warning? Seems like he just blew it.

and Newage mugen too...

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 11, 2013, 01:20:07 am
Besides, didn't Jmorph say he was already on his last warning? Seems like he just blew it.
He's blown that warning at least three times since I told him it. He's not getting better, but I dunno if his behavior is ban-worthy right now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 11, 2013, 01:21:48 am
Perhaps another strongly-worded PM? If he disregards that, he's closer to a banning.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 11, 2013, 01:35:19 am
He's been 100% terrible since he came here. Drop the guillotine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Froz on January 11, 2013, 01:37:57 am
I don't want to sound like an ass, but why do you cling on this particular troll? he's done nothing but ignore every mod's warning and bash people who opposes his opinion with horribly worded posts that start with : "Le, Trololol, fuck off" etc.

I know that at that point it's still not ban worthy, but he should at least read/consider your warnings once in a while...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 11, 2013, 01:50:20 am
I'm pretty sure it's a combo of not listening to anybody, not improving when people give him good advice, spamming the report section at one point, and horribly attempting trolling at every opportunity. Responding to two separate posts with "(Le) suck it (bitch)" is definitely not how you should act in a forum.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 11, 2013, 02:19:48 am
well... at least he stopped replying with image macros
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 11, 2013, 02:21:55 am
Don't forget awful YouTube videos~
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on January 11, 2013, 03:08:20 am
Seems too much like you guys are deciding who gets banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 11, 2013, 03:19:09 am
We all know we're not, but we can dream, right?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on January 11, 2013, 05:07:18 am
I guess in this case it's just common sense :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on January 11, 2013, 05:16:32 am
What's just commonsense?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 11, 2013, 05:20:37 am
Discussing Celest's further antics as they pop up?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: dark_light on January 11, 2013, 07:04:52 am
i just want to ask since its been said a few times about necrobump  if you have feedback on a character or stage would the rules still apply?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 11, 2013, 07:06:45 am
I'd say it's better to PM it to the person if they're active on the site. Outside of that I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on January 11, 2013, 07:07:22 am
If it's 1 or 2-months-old, sure, post your feedback, but if it's 1 or 4-years-old, you should send a personal message or forget about it because the character has probably been updated and the programmer moved-on.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: dark_light on January 11, 2013, 07:08:44 am
thanks for the info
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 14, 2013, 06:20:43 pm
Agreed on the ost prohibition as per jmoprhman's argument, as ost are not very useful for mugen creations and it always seemed weird to have psoted those there, even artbooks are more useful because people rip portraits from them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on January 14, 2013, 08:10:39 pm
Regarding the ost prohibition, would that cover including said tracks in a character's snd file for characters that use their own BGM (aka the "jukebox" helper) or including said BGM in a stage release? I know for the stages people will most likely find the BGM elsewhere or simply replace it altogether, so I guess this mostly for the aforementionted built-in custom bgm. Or even fullgames for that matter.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 14, 2013, 08:19:21 pm
We haven't decided anything yet but if we did prohibit soundtrack releases I seriously doubt that would include in-character stuff. That would be going way too far.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on January 14, 2013, 08:39:19 pm
Agreed with the soundtrack thing. (though tbh, I don't think it should be a problem with ones that aren't commercially available, like say one for Battle Monsters......But hey your call)

Though I'd rather this hopefully doesn't extend to music that comes with stages/characters since that could limit a lot of releases (especially found ones).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 14, 2013, 08:40:03 pm
No one was suggesting that it would. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on January 14, 2013, 09:19:45 pm
If you want to be safe, it's better not to allow it. I mean, it's no big loss, if someone really needs it just say "Google X" and that's it. I don't think people is unable to use Google to search for Soundtracks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on January 14, 2013, 09:21:08 pm
No one was suggesting that it would. :-\
Still something to think about.

But yeah, no big deal on my part.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on January 14, 2013, 09:24:42 pm
If you want to be safe, it's better not to allow it. I mean, it's no big loss, if someone really needs it just say "Google X" and that's it. I don't think people is unable to use Google to search for Soundtracks.
This pretty much, commercially distributed soundtracks are really easy to find with a search.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 14, 2013, 10:20:20 pm
But it shouldn't be supported. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 15, 2013, 12:46:25 am
If you can buy it than said OST is warez, pretty much.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on January 15, 2013, 01:22:27 am
If we're going forward with this, shouldn't something be done about the reports about the OST release topic? The download link is still visible there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on January 15, 2013, 01:38:32 am
CENSORING COMPLETE

RETURN TO YOUR HOMES
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 23, 2013, 06:40:07 pm
This isn't probably the place to put it, but didn't want to create a new topic for it in case this has been answered before, and this topic seems to have decent staff traffic.

What is the status of compilations?  I know a ton of people say they are not creations - so should we report them if we see them in release threads?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 23, 2013, 06:49:05 pm
They should at least be identified as such. so people know what they are downloading.  And whoever makes them should be aware that most people wont be that interested. Everyone can make a "this is my mugen game" thing.
I dont think they are somekind of crime tho, most people start by doing silly little things like that, and its a normal step towards trying to create something .

Its a good question. lets see what others think.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 23, 2013, 06:52:39 pm
Adding a message icon for compilations should be a good idea.

Strike that for reasons below, which I agree with. They're a waste of time and space.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on January 23, 2013, 06:53:24 pm
How often does it happen? 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 23, 2013, 06:54:31 pm
rarely its the kind of thing that no one really releases. most people keep them to themselves.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 23, 2013, 06:56:23 pm
compilations do not harm anyway, if anything it is when people try to pass them off as project when they might get in the way/steal attention from real projects, btu that's better left ot the user base.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 23, 2013, 06:59:46 pm
We usually delete them, but reporting is probably the only way it would get our attention. On the other hand, it doesn't exactly hurt anyone, but... I dunno. As [E] said they do take up space and take attention away from other projects. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 23, 2013, 07:08:43 pm
this is true, but i would rather that people werent demonizing them to the point where the replies to someone new posting something he worked in is "UH OH!!"
"YOU BETTER WATCH OUT HOMIE"
etc

its not really productive nor does it tells someone new that their efforts might be better invested somewhere else. They just see that they are doing a kindness ( or what they think is one ) and people are being mean to them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 23, 2013, 07:24:26 pm
Maybe the compilation icon is the way to go?  Yes they take up space and seem useless to many, but having an icon next to them that clearly states they are a compilation will allow users to simply pass over the topic.  No reason to barge in and start posting angrily when the user clearly sees it labeled as a compilation.  I think one of the main reasons why they get a ton of heat now is because people enter the "full game" topics looking for just that only to find a compilation.

Or maybe a compilation icon but move them into the edits and addons sections.  Since it is not technically a new material besides a few occasional tweaks.  I kind of like this idea better actually.

Either of these solutions would lead to more reporting, though, for compilations to be moved or the icon changed.  At least until everyone gets with the new system.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 23, 2013, 07:51:46 pm
But if someone tries to claim it his own work?
Hmmm... I don't know.

And maybe some compilations aren't bad and, if done correctly, maybe it goes for full game.
Nah, difficult for me to decide.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 23, 2013, 07:59:02 pm
I don't think compilations can ever be considered a full game.  Full game to me means that the characters all have the same fighting mechanics/style, same look stylistically with sprites and hitsparks, and have been balanced.  Most, if not all, compilations don't have these features.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on January 23, 2013, 08:00:18 pm
I was just telling somebody this some months ago. "Don't download compilations they are bad! You will get a virus!" No, compilations are not that serious, just because we don't necessarily allow them in the release area, doesn't mean they're evil or anything. That mentality is kinda stretched to the extreme -- it's almost worst than the "being new is no excuse" mentality; a mentality in which a newbie is relentlessly bashed for making "bad" stuff because they need to learn how tough it is on the battle field, like they're in boot camp, training to become soldiers.

This is a hobby, people, no one needs to know how tough it is out there on the streets and nobody needs to be bashed for making a compilation or releasing their first character below popular standards.

But if someone tries to claim it his own work?
Hmmm... I don't know.
Releasing a compilation and claiming credit for everything is the same thing as releasing stand alone content and taking credit for everything. You can't make compilations inherently bad, stop trying to make compilations inherently bad.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on January 23, 2013, 08:05:31 pm
Releasing a compilation and claiming credit for everything is the same thing as releasing stand alone content and taking credit for everything. You can't make compilations inherently bad, stop trying to make compilations inherently bad.
They're inherently bad in the sense that there's a far higher chance of a compilation being worthless than there is of a stand alone creation being worthless, there's no added value, it's literally something anyone can collect on the Internet and repack. It's not even good to get a bunch of characters all at once because there's usually very little chance that the pack contains stuff that may interest the guy who downloads it (unless it's a "collector").
There is nearly no situation where a compilation would be called a "good thing", and by extension, that makes them inherently bad, or at the very least, valueless.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 23, 2013, 08:06:38 pm
You can't make compilations inherently bad, stop trying to make compilations inherently bad.
Excuse me, were you talking to me? Or was it in general? No, you were talking in general.
I would never release something without giving credit, but that's another subject.

And compilations have a lot of different characters that usually have different gameplays, thus resulting in unbalanceness of the game. Also that is an example of laziness, like Byakko said above. That's why I hate them. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on January 23, 2013, 08:09:26 pm
There is nearly no situation where a compilation would be called a "good thing", and by extension, that makes them inherently bad, or at the very least, valueless.
So, because it's not good, it's inherently bad? According to you? Nobody is talking about the quality of content.

I'm not even gonna argue with you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on January 23, 2013, 08:16:17 pm
If it doesnt happen very often then it's not really much of a problem is it?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 23, 2013, 08:36:20 pm
It does happen semi-regularly, which is the only reason I brought it up.  There's one on the front page of both Mugen release sections right now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on January 23, 2013, 09:38:52 pm
So, because it's not good, it's inherently bad? According to you?
There is nearly no situation where a compilation would be called a "good thing", and by extension, that makes them inherently bad, or at the very least, valueless.


Nobody is talking about the quality of content.
Neither am I.
I'm not even gonna argue with you.
Good.

P.S. you don't have to quote me and then say essentially nothing to "make a point".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on January 23, 2013, 09:47:49 pm
In my opinion compilations should be frowned upon because they discourage creativity.  You have the cool ones where people will take a bunch of similar characters and edit them to have full game functionality, those are awesome.  But just slapping a bunch of stuff together doesn't really do much for anyone.  The guy doing it doesn't learn anything and the community doesn't get anything they couldn't do themselves.   Worse yet, if compilations are encouraged people who make them will continue doing so and will never actually learn or use their creativity to produce anything, and worst case scenario they take their compilation to a community that is less liberal about "community ethics" than MFG and they get blasted.

TL;DR It's not a moral/ethic thing so much as it is a "cmon, you can do better than that!" thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 23, 2013, 10:18:48 pm
If it doesnt happen very often then it's not really much of a problem is it?
It's fairly rare AFAIK but we should have some sort of policy on what to do for compilations.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on January 23, 2013, 10:25:03 pm
Make a thread for people to post them and put in Mugen Discussion for merging whenever it happens.

Continue to delete them like we've already been doing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on January 24, 2013, 01:04:58 am
As i see it with compilations. When one comes up, if you're the first person on the scene, notify the user, impartially that what they're doing is a compilation and anyone could have done this. Ask them to remove the topic. If it's not removed after 24 hours, do it yourself.

If there are users exercising the idiocy of "must bash cos dumb" trash their posts.

I would accept anyone who was speaking in a level manner about why a compilation has no purpose to it. Just not "OMG this is a compilation, compilations suck, make better your gay"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 24, 2013, 01:06:03 am
I kinda like rajaa idea of a single thread of "share your compilation here!" with an explanation that if you are editing stuff together or doing anything deeper it should be a normal release.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on January 24, 2013, 01:08:53 am
People won't bother, we'll have to merge them ourselves anyway. I prefer the delete method. You can properly educate that way too rather than what will be a rather pointless topic (or possibly one filled with shittalking)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 24, 2013, 01:10:21 am
I think raja's method is the best method, I remembered that when users ignore a compilation, thentypical compilation creator is the knid of guy who bumps and would start complaining in other topics about how his compilation is not getting attention.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on January 24, 2013, 12:22:47 pm
So if I understand we're discussing two methods, right?

- Keep the compilations in a single thread. Merge any compilation posted outside of it inside that thread.
- Report/Delete any compilation thread, making sure to properly tell the creator as to why it's not a good idea.

IMO both seem okay. It just goes as to which method is less bothersome to deal with for admin/gmods/mods. I mean, for normal users, it's not a problem at all. We can either ignore it or not. Experienced users know it's not a good idea to make your MUGEN using a compilation, and those that aren't really experienced or doesn't care may want those compilations.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 24, 2013, 02:48:47 pm
Single thread idea seems the less messy of the bunch.  But is MUGEN discussion the right place for it?  What about in the edits and addons section?  either way, that seems to be the best way to deal with them presented so far.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 24, 2013, 04:13:35 pm
Since anyone can do them, they're a waste of space even when isolated to their own thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on January 24, 2013, 04:21:03 pm
It kinda turns people away when they spend 5 days uploading 5 gigs to a free uploading service, only to have them get the boot when trying to share. Instead of deleting and completely making the person feel assaulted, we can move their thread to something that isn't the recycle bin and explain to them why the topic can't be its own topic and why compilations aren't exactly necessary.

Or we could just delete the topics and forget about people's feelings.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 24, 2013, 04:24:40 pm
If the thread is stickied you dont even have to see it being bumped up and down. With a proper first post explaining that most people can do that and the forum is more geared towards creation, you can probably have them feel like they did something small and perhaps later on trying out more stuff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on January 24, 2013, 04:41:32 pm
I like the thread idea as well. But not in MUGEN Discussion. There are too many stickies there already.

It should be in the found releases board. Um, the 1.0 one or the Old Mugen one? There shouldn't be 2 stickies for this.
Also wasn't the 1.0 board supposed to be moved above the old mugen board?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 24, 2013, 04:44:36 pm
I like the thread idea as well. But not in MUGEN Discussion. There are too many stickies there already.
It should be in the found releases board. Um, the 1.0 one or the Old Mugen one? There shouldn't be 2 stickies for this.
idea engineering?
Quote
Also wasn't the 1.0 board supposed to be moved above the old mugen board?

I dunno what you are talking about.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 24, 2013, 04:53:50 pm
I dunno what you are talking about.
On the board index, the Win boards are above the 1.0 ones. Since 1.0 is the official, stable release, it should go on top.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on January 24, 2013, 04:56:53 pm
I'd say just put a sticky in both release threads with whatever you decide on for compilations.  Title it "About compilations and collections" or something.  Would catch most peoples' attention.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on January 24, 2013, 04:58:21 pm
idea engineering?
That'd work.

And what JMM said
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on January 24, 2013, 05:04:30 pm
I agree on the single topic idea, but gonna have to agree with JNP that Mugen Discussion isn't the proper place for it.

I was thinking more along the lines of edits & addons, to be honest, just going by the definition of "edit" I think a compilation falls under that description. Besides, compilations are going to be either winmugen or 1.0 so I think it's only fair to have them relegated to the proper section instead of bunching Win and 1.0 together in Idea Engineering.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 24, 2013, 05:36:19 pm
I dunno what you are talking about.
On the board index, the Win boards are above the 1.0 ones. Since 1.0 is the official, stable release, it should go on top.

nothing, nothing, i only see air.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on January 24, 2013, 05:46:39 pm
Abusing power to make people look delirious.

Demod.



So, um, yeah, where to put the thread? Both release sections? Sounds a bit much, but I guess it doesn't matter. Idea Engineering is not the best place for it, either. Hm.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 24, 2013, 05:55:47 pm
both release sections, I guess the winmugen one will be the most used one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 24, 2013, 05:57:27 pm
My vote's for Edits and Add-ons in the individual release sections.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 24, 2013, 07:35:21 pm
nothing, nothing, i only see air.
Don't be silly, I love you very much...
[avatar]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101128205743/dexterslaboratory/images/8/81/3183210043_d52c030ba0.jpg[/avatar]
Wait no I don't >:[
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on January 25, 2013, 01:11:47 am
I liked the idea of an icon for compilations, but the thread idea is better (in Edits & Add-ons), as well an explanation in rules about this. Yeah, I like it ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Memo on January 25, 2013, 03:22:58 am
damn please dont delete my compilation i spent alot of time on it, i think its  a good idea to make a section for them or be allowed to put them in the edits section if its content that was edited so it is atleast a balanced game instead of random stuff put together and someone taking credit for others work, and let it be know in the first sentence its a compilation too so people know, and dont say "yeah i did this myself" it sounds better if you say hey this mugen i put together is fun and i felt like sharing it with everybody, and please give credit where its due and mention the creators whos content u are useing because in the end THEY made your complation possible right?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 25, 2013, 04:16:18 am
but you're just posting something that anyone could do, that takes no work, and saying it's a full game. I don't see why compilations should be given space.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 25, 2013, 04:19:53 am
but you're just posting something that anyone could do, that takes no work, and saying it's a full game. I don't see why compilations should be given space.
It does take some work. And if we can easily provide a small space for people to show off their compilations, why not do it? There's no harm in doing it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 25, 2013, 04:28:17 am
There's not much work in editing a select.def, packing it up, and uploading it.

Also, in most compilation threads, they just turn to crap because someone calls them out on it (I know, I used to do this), or the OP reacts with hostility to someone saying it's a compilation. This will be no different.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 25, 2013, 04:32:04 am
yes, the person calling someone else out about releasing a compilation on the compilations thread will be the one reprimended.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Memo on January 25, 2013, 04:36:30 am
but you're just posting something that anyone could do, that takes no work, and saying it's a full game. I don't see why compilations should be given space.

im with u on that one thats why i put some work into mine but in the end im not  saying its my fullgame or anything because i dont want to take anybodys credit and look like a douchebag to the community, i appreciate everybodys work hear and wouldnt take nobodys work as my own

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on January 25, 2013, 04:55:09 am
Personally I think doing this for compilations isn't promoting creation but rather lazyness.

Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Memo on January 25, 2013, 05:08:16 am
i bet thats how everybody here got started nobody just jumped into character creation without first making a compilation, now if you gonna make one try to learn some coding also, if all your chars dont super jump figure out how to add it to the rest, figure out how to add something to it to make it feel like it belongs together it will motivate you more to learn something besides trowing shit together and saying yeah this is mine i spent a whole day downloading and editing a select.def
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on January 25, 2013, 05:34:18 am
I don't think yours is that bad as you edited the characters to have a similar system.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Memo on January 25, 2013, 05:45:50 am
thanks for the compliment i tried hard, ive been working on it since last april , what took me the longest was figuring  out how to tweak the a.i., i recomend everybody to dive into the character files and figure out how stuff works trust me in the long run it will be worth it especially when you start seeing results and that shin god ryu that was destroying that ass is now balanced
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on January 25, 2013, 05:47:40 am
If you edit the characters to have sort of the same system then it can be labeled a full game in the edits and add ons board.
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/street-fighter-zero-v2-demo-6-146799.0.html
This thread is a good example of that. The person is constantly tweaking all the characters to play more alike system wise.

I guess go ahead and go with 2 compilation stickies. One for old MUGEN and one for 1.0 and higher. Might as well go the whole nine yards for this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Memo on January 25, 2013, 06:03:50 am
oh thats EM20XX sfa game hes doing good job on that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on January 25, 2013, 10:32:10 am
I am in favour of putting it in Idea Engineering. Then, people should just put what kind of MUGEN they're using. Two threads with the same thing is just too much.

Also, wouldn't it be better to separate this and put it into a separate thread? I mean, it's already become a big discussion about it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 27, 2013, 09:04:06 pm
yes, the person calling someone else out about releasing a compilation on the compilations thread will be the one reprimended.

This is the reason why I brought this up.  Because in just about every compilation thread, it devolves into shit due to whining about it not being a full game and compilation being looked at as a negative word.  If they received their own label/thread/icon/whatever, then no one would be able to whine about a compilation being posted in the compilation section or whatever is decided.  And if a user does not want to see a compilation, well then they can just avoid the one.  No more opening up "full game" releases to then be disappointed when they aren't.

As for the details, I can see there is still a debate going on about where to put them.  Interested to see where this all ends up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on January 28, 2013, 05:12:03 pm
Cyanide said:
What's our stance here?

http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/kira-choiyer-original-nhk-released-147813.0.html

It's kinda distasteful, definitely needs an NSFW tag so people know what they're getting into right off. It's not truly CP because it's basically a cartoon character, you can make a claim that it's over 18 regardless of what it looks like.
Can I suggest a special icon about it?? like NSFW/+18 Character icon or something for this kind of "releases" (well, this is more an edit BTW). I mean, if this kind of releases would be allowed in this forum. And not just about hentai-edited chars, some doujin games chars should be added, too (Vanguard Princess, Queen's Blade, Strip Fighter series and so)

What do you think, people??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 28, 2013, 05:15:18 pm
too much work for less than one character per month.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 28, 2013, 05:24:57 pm
indeed how many of this characters are released per month year? or most importanlty are announced here?

even if this kind of characters are released weekly the people who post found released would ignore them and would only post them ignoring said character has mature content

plus in most cases the nude content is only available when facing specific characters or can be turned on/off via config file
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on January 28, 2013, 05:42:50 pm
Indeed, they're a lot of NSFW stuff (chars, stages, etc) released for MUGEN, but very few are announced here in the forum. I mean, here isn't allowed adult content, but that rule is implicit to these kind of releases, so that's mean NSFW stuff shouldn't be announced here?? And those ones already announced (also I remind about that Nude Joe) should be deleted or something??

Sorry, I got a lot of doubts in this aspect, since looks like a blank space for rules in this forum. Maybe just a "NSFW" in the title and that's enough, I don't know
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 28, 2013, 05:46:39 pm
anything nsfw should be tagged as so, it says so in the rules.  we had strip fighter chars released here before and even projects of adult nature.
The guy that sprited queen blade characters also put one of them here, cattleya.

This is not really that new of an occurance.  If anything the description should be clearer as to what kind of adult char it is , and anything involving adult content should be spoiled.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on January 28, 2013, 05:58:30 pm
Rajaa said:
What's our stance here?

http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/kira-choiyer-original-nhk-released-147813.0.html

It's kinda distasteful, definitely needs an NSFW tag so people know what they're getting into right off. It's not truly CP because it's basically a cartoon character, you can make a claim that it's over 18 regardless of what it looks like.
Can I suggest a special icon about it?? like NSFW/+18 Character icon or something for this kind of "releases" (well, this is more an edit BTW). I mean, if this kind of releases would be allowed in this forum. And not just about hentai-edited chars, some doujin games chars should be added, too (Vanguard Princess, Queen's Blade, Strip Fighter series and so)

What do you think, people??
I didn't post that. You mixed something up somehow.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on January 28, 2013, 06:08:28 pm
My bad, it was Cyanide, not you. Sorry u_u
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on January 28, 2013, 06:12:07 pm
Rajaa your warning was kind of "overkill".  "NSFW, nudity (or brief nudity whatever is the case)"  would work.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on January 28, 2013, 06:15:04 pm
I suggest an alternate version of the character/stage/whatever tag with an NSFW indicator on it.  If that doesn't work, just a warning in the title should do.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 28, 2013, 06:18:08 pm
well that's what basara suggested but as we mentioned before this character are not released that frequently and even if they are the releases is not announced here
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 28, 2013, 06:29:10 pm
warning on the title is better anyway, jumps out more to the eye than an icon.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on January 28, 2013, 06:41:39 pm
Rajaa your warning was kind of "overkill".  "NSFW, nudity (or brief nudity whatever is the case)"  would work.

I actually mistakenly copy-pasted an older version of the warning from my clipboard. The only actual one was supposed to be the second paragraph. =p
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on January 28, 2013, 07:02:07 pm
well that's what basara suggested but as we mentioned before this character are not released that frequently and even if they are the releases is not announced here
I would like to see a pink icon, but yeah, you're right, people. I guess a NSFW in the title can be enough :) thanks for the aclaration
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on January 28, 2013, 07:34:18 pm
making nsfw version of all release icons would take up way too much space and it'd be a massive waste of time overall
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on January 28, 2013, 07:42:06 pm
My idea (in case of being implemented) it was just one icon labeled as NSFW, but well...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on January 28, 2013, 11:15:41 pm
i meant mc2's post, although having a nsfw icon isn't as practical as just putting NSFW on the thread title
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Froz on January 29, 2013, 12:20:47 am
Spoilers+Warning sounds good, although i think editing the Forum Rule about should be edited to have more specific detail of what's right/funny and explicit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 29, 2013, 12:28:33 am
just use common sense, is not like we get a lot of cases like those.

nsfw
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

for the record, I am with jmorphman on the dr doom image, since the girl's head is obviously de-implying the fellatio.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on January 29, 2013, 01:22:21 am
Regarding Celes, I don't feel like the kid should be banned, he isn't harmful or toxic. I want to compare him to two previous 12-13 year olds we had before. Mahboi and Peterfoster. Mahboi derailed threads and horribly used dead fads, his later posts were bashing and trying to look good, he sought out more attention in the end of his history. Titiln finally banned him as his posts were nothing but purposefully bad at that point, even when he returned he still sought attention. Peterfoster often did similar things to mahboi and challenged the forum at some points (like the review of it), not only that but he kept making accounts and was banned more times than I can remember. Let's not forget that Anti MFG thread and forum he made to get us to care.

Celes just doesn't get along with anyone and the worse he does is insult you as means of defending himself or if he tries to look cool by attacking someone else. Yes his posts are bad but I don't think the kid is an attention seeking one like mahboi nor does he mean harm like Peterfoster did, he's just a horrible poster. If you do ban him, I ask that you don't permaban him and just give him some time off. We all make stupid decisions when we're that age and it would be a shame if that affected his Mugen learning as every other place is dead and that would mean he wouldn't be able to improve in the future as he would be unable to return here. If banned just give him some cool off time and see what happens from there. Just showing my concern.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 29, 2013, 01:28:58 am
That and he's making a char. If he's banned, how's he going to get people to test it? (Bad point, I know)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Anthony JR.(Celest) on January 29, 2013, 01:31:52 am
I'm Stupid I'm Not Gonna Hide that but atleast give me some time to think about what I did over the Past Few Days so for the next few hours imma log off for ur enjoyment
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 29, 2013, 01:39:17 am
Well, there's proof that he seems at least willing to learn from his mistakes. That's a good sign.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 29, 2013, 01:43:30 am
yah, I am also against banning him atm, though I understand that its tiring for the admins.

and regarding the report it was/is a sincere one; the one I set up a trap for was for erroratu in the kira/choiyer topic, so I guess that's why it got misunderstood as it happened at about the same timeframe.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TRUEMicah on January 29, 2013, 02:59:10 am
I'm Stupid I'm Not Gonna Hide
No, you're just young and on a forum where everyone is obviously older than you.
Don't bash yourself kiddo.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on January 29, 2013, 04:11:23 pm
yah, I am also against banning him atm, though I understand that its tiring for the admins.
Same here, I'm against banning him. In a beginning admit I said yes, but in the past weeks I saw a change on him, apart of he's creating a character (as CAN said), so I think he's worth to stay here after all :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lil' Hurricane on January 29, 2013, 04:28:34 pm
I agree too. He's changing a bit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on January 29, 2013, 09:21:17 pm
There's a pretty easy way to determine if something is NSFW : given that it means (spoiler alert !) Not Safe For Work, if you think it's something you wouldn't want to be seen looking at when at work, then it's NSFW and it goes in a spoiler. It's magic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 29, 2013, 09:24:55 pm
well obvioulsy jmm is a muggle and doesn't belive in magic
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on January 29, 2013, 09:26:11 pm
Not just work but pretty much any public place. The last thing I want is some librarian unfamiliar with mugen or fighting games throwing me out of the library just because she caught a 1 second glimpse of what appears to be someone shoving a pole up Hanzo's vag. Its called Not Safe For Work for a reason, I dont get why JMM fails to see this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on January 29, 2013, 09:29:32 pm
My "rule" has always been is this something I'd want my mom to see.

 :dozey:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 29, 2013, 09:32:08 pm
There's a pretty easy way to determine if something is NSFW : given that it means (spoiler alert !) Not Safe For Work, if you think it's something you wouldn't want to be seen looking at when at work, then it's NSFW and it goes in a spoiler. It's magic.
Oh my goodness? Really???? I never thought of it like that!

Believe it or not, people can have different opinions on what's safe for work and what's not.

I dont get why JMM fails to see this.
I don't get why everyone's throwing a hissy fit over my opinions of what is and isn't NSFW.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on January 29, 2013, 09:33:58 pm
I don't think it's an issue that you don't see NSFW completely the same as others. That's why I said to just spoiler something if it's reported and you can maybe sorta see someone else's view point of it. And if not then leave it for another staff member to deal with the report :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on January 29, 2013, 09:59:01 pm
Believe it or not, people can have different opinions on what's safe for work and what's not.
...
I don't get why everyone's throwing a hissy fit over my opinions of what is and isn't NSFW.
Yyyeah no, it's not about opinions, and it's not about your specific workplace, don't take it personally again. If you can talk blowjobs with your boss and have softcore porn for a wallpaper in plain sight, good for you, but, believe it or not, not everyone has the chance to have an understanding and humane boss or even workmates. MBH's short version is pretty good actually (provided you don't start telling us you watch porn with your mom in the same room as you).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on January 29, 2013, 10:03:49 pm
I'm pretty sure his mom and him are not interested in the same type of porn. ;D [/off-topic]

I'm out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 29, 2013, 10:06:16 pm
Yyyeah no, it's not about opinions, and it's not about your specific workplace, don't take it personally again.
Why do you think I'm taking any of this personally.

Actually, on second thought, don't answer.

So yeah, I don't think either of those images are remotely near softcore porn, but the majority of you guys do, and that's fine. I don't know why this discussion is still ongoing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on January 29, 2013, 10:09:27 pm
Probably because for some reason you made it about your opinion and not what is best for the forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on January 29, 2013, 10:10:17 pm
Why do you think I'm taking any of this personally.
I don't get why everyone's throwing a hissy fit over my opinions of what is and isn't NSFW.
This is literally "taking it personally".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 29, 2013, 10:11:45 pm
Probably because for some reason you made it about your opinion and not what is best for the forum.
It was my opinion that they aren't NSFW, so in my view, spoiling them wouldn't be in the best interest for the forum.

This is literally "taking it personally".
You have a strange definition of taking it personally.

inb4 well you have a strange definition of NSFW
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on January 29, 2013, 10:21:25 pm
What kind of NSFW stuff are you people talking about here ? I thought this was about Choiyer's edit of Kira, then I read something about a Dr Doom or something.
Link please ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 29, 2013, 10:24:11 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/m-u-g-e-n-discussion-re-m-u-g-e-n-screenshots-v2-147840.0.html

And I was posting the one below.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on January 29, 2013, 10:24:30 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/post-fan-art-thread-136740.1340.html
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 29, 2013, 10:36:44 pm
What kind of NSFW stuff are you people talking about here ? I thought this was about Choiyer's edit of Kira, then I read something about a Dr Doom or something.
Link please ?
I see what you did here ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 30, 2013, 06:48:55 pm
I guess go ahead and go with 2 compilation stickies. One for old MUGEN and one for 1.0 and higher. Might as well go the whole nine yards for this.

Not to derailing the current NSFW discussion, but what happened to this?  We all seem to get sidetracked easily haha.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Balthazar on February 09, 2013, 06:19:15 pm
I keep getting malware warnings in Releases 1.0...moreso when browsing for Screenpacks
Troublemaker seems to be   usuarios.lycos.es
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on February 10, 2013, 03:44:59 pm
Wrong "warnings" mate. You should post that in Val's thread and such.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Balthazar on February 10, 2013, 07:40:20 pm
Oh yes I realised that :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mgbenz on February 15, 2013, 03:49:33 am
I'm on Rajaa's side here.  I've only ever seen her arguing with the rest of the staff with banning anyone. It's like she opposed to banning anyone in general.

How did she get modship anyway? I've been wondering that ever since she got it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 15, 2013, 03:52:40 am
I'm pretty sure Sepp suggested her for the position when he retired.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 15, 2013, 04:28:43 am
I'm on Rajaa's side here.  I've only ever seen her arguing with the rest of the staff with banning anyone. It's like she opposed to banning anyone in general.

How did she get modship anyway? I've been wondering that ever since she got it.

+1
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on February 15, 2013, 04:30:00 am
Decision making has been horridly slow lately.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on February 15, 2013, 04:39:06 am
As I know, MissB made some stages in the past or contribuited with various other projects, so the purple star is well gained and she's not an "useless MUGEN maker" as Rajaa intended to say. But I also agree about she only opposed to general decisions, especially the ones that involved bans. I read all discussed about her effectivity a mod, but nobody (but Rajaa) wants to be delayed of her job there

As for hjk, yeah, bosses here were way too late for the ban (he should be muted since months, but noooo... "let's be patient with that guy, he'll change"), but luckily it was done now and it's a permaban. He won't be missed, that's for sure...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 15, 2013, 04:40:07 am
She doesn't even have a Contributor star. Dunno what you're talking about. ._.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on February 15, 2013, 04:46:47 am
I'm on Rajaa's side here.  I've only ever seen her arguing with the rest of the staff with banning anyone. It's like she opposed to banning anyone in general.

How did she get modship anyway? I've been wondering that ever since she got it.


I was asked to help by Iced and Titiln.  I've owned and staffed 5 forums over the past 11 years, including 2 that are still very active.  I've been on staff (including admin) on 4 other mugen forums. 

I don't like banning for the most part and I think it should only be done as a last resort, so yeah you will probably see me question them.   Just because I don't like bannings doesnt mean I'm going to have a tantrum every time someone gets it.  I've agreed with some bannings (even if I would like to see some of them shorter) and I banned Navana when enough was enough with him.

Just because I have a differing style of moderation doesnt make me right and it doesnt make me wrong, it makes me different. 

     Posted: February 15, 2013, 04:50:55 am
As I know, MissB made some stages in the past or contribuited with various other projects, so the purple star is well gained and she's not an "useless MUGEN maker" as Rajaa intended to say. But I also agree about she only opposed to general decisions, especially the ones that involved bans. I read all discussed about her effectivity a mod, but nobody (but Rajaa) wants to be delayed of her job there

As for hjk, yeah, bosses here were way too late for the ban (he should be muted since months, but noooo... "let's be patient with that guy, he'll change"), but luckily it was done now and it's a permaban. He won't be missed, that's for sure...

I've helped in some projects in the past (including several stages and Leech who still isnt finished), but I'm not talented enough to be a contributor.  That doesnt stop me from admiring others talent.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 15, 2013, 04:55:05 am
Decision making has been horridly slow lately.
hjk was banned for 13 months before the permaban was put in place, so it's not like we had to rush. Besides, we were talking about other, more important things, like Naked Crazy Joe!

As for hjk, yeah, bosses here were way too late for the ban (he should be muted since months, but noooo... "let's be patient with that guy, he'll change"), but luckily it was done now and it's a permaban. He won't be missed, that's for sure...
But he has been banned before. A lot. The only reason they weren't permanent was because his obnoxious and baiting posts never really warranted a permaban. But they slowed aggregated into one.

Regarding MissB, it's good to have someone who doesn't always agree with everyone. It helps let everyone reexamine their positions and reasoning.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on February 15, 2013, 04:56:36 am
Wow, even with a year long ban he won't learn his lesson?

Well, good riddance for him then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on February 15, 2013, 05:22:26 am
Regarding MissB, it's good to have someone who doesn't always agree with everyone. It helps let everyone reexamine their positions and reasoning.

But she often comes off as a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian. I agree with Rajaa as well. Her comments about the forum becoming "mean and nasty" come off as disingenuous (seeing as she's the one who puts up popcorn smileys whenever a big argument breaks out) and lack any sort of factual basis. I honestly just think she likes arguing, whether she's spectating or participating (up until the point she starts ignoring people, like she has been doing with Rajaa). Nothing personal, just how I (and several others) see it.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on February 15, 2013, 05:43:40 am
Regarding MissB, it's good to have someone who doesn't always agree with everyone. It helps let everyone reexamine their positions and reasoning.

But she often comes off as a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian. I agree with Rajaa as well. Her comments about the forum becoming "mean and nasty" come off as disingenuous (seeing as she's the one who puts up popcorn smileys whenever a big argument breaks out) and lack any sort of factual basis. I honestly just think she likes arguing, whether she's spectating or participating (up until the point she starts ignoring people, like she has been doing with Rajaa). Nothing personal, just how I (and several others) see it.





Good points and sometimes I have to stop and ask myself if I'm being contrary for no reason and maybe sometimes I do.  I dont mind being called on it.  As for ignoring Rajaa, I think his posts to me in that thread come across as bullying, badgering, aggressive and insulting and I dont respond to that.  Rajaa has an aggressive posting style anyway, thats just his way and I'm not going to spend a lot of time on a snarling dogfight with Rajaa.

The shift towards mean and nasty I talked about has nothing to do with in your face arguments.  Those are to be expected when you have personality clashes.  It has to do with the passive/aggressive remarks that dont really break rules, the tendency to form cliques and some other subtle stuff.  It's not really a staff issue apart from trying to be fair to people we dont like,

I'm pretty sure the popcorn smiley is an RI thing, 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 15, 2013, 06:07:15 am
As for ignoring Rajaa, I think his posts to me in that thread come across as bullying, badgering, aggressive and insulting and I dont respond to that.
it is unfortunate that it took you so long to clearly say this, because you flat-out ignored several of rajaa's posts in the staff thread. i don't expect staff to agree on everything all the time, i don't expect all staff members to completely get along, but you should at least have the decency to say "i'm ignoring you because such and such, please don't bother" after each of rajaa's long ass posts.

that is, of course, in the scenario that staff members completely ignoring eachother is acceptable, which is not. one of you is clearly malfunctioning.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on February 15, 2013, 06:12:20 am
I'm pretty sure the popcorn smiley is an RI thing, 

It is an RI thing, but you mentioned the other Mugen forums where you're a staff member, so I figured it was a valid point. Your response was very reasonable, though I still don't see what you're seeing as far as the forum goes.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on February 15, 2013, 06:36:46 am
As for ignoring Rajaa, I think his posts to me in that thread come across as bullying, badgering, aggressive and insulting and I dont respond to that.
it is unfortunate that it took you so long to clearly say this, because you flat-out ignored several of rajaa's posts in the staff thread. i don't expect staff to agree on everything all the time, i don't expect all staff members to completely get along, but you should at least have the decency to say "i'm ignoring you because such and such, please don't bother" after each of rajaa's long ass posts.

that is, of course, in the scenario that staff members completely ignoring eachother is acceptable, which is not. one of you is clearly malfunctioning.

I probably should have been more clear, but saying this after every post seems to be provoking more than just ignoring

http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1715585

Maybe I am malfunctioning, I dont mind being called on stuff because I'm not perfect.  I do mind insults and bullying and I won't respond to those.


though I still don't see what you're seeing as far as the forum goes.

It's something I started to notice a few months ago, just a shift, not like everyone suddenly grew fangs and claws.  Of course now that I think of it, it's not just here, it's all over the place.





Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on February 15, 2013, 06:37:10 am
How did she get modship anyway? I've been wondering that ever since she got it.
You know.. I have been asking myself the same question for quite a while now.... how about instead of the "Global Moderator" star she should have the "Global Troll" star?

yeah... I was following that warnings thread and she pretty much evaded every comment Rajaa made towards her... that to me looked more like one of those ignorant users that ignore every post a mod would ask them which it was pretty immature specially when you are a "MOD"...

Just so you know: Rajaa wasn't or never insulted you at all during all those arguments you immaturely ignored...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on February 15, 2013, 06:53:53 am
I do like that she questions most everything in a way. Especially bans. I feel the same about banning. It's just when every person in staff agrees on a course of action she should only push a different direction about once or so. If no one else sees it that way she shouldn't continue to go against the grain.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on February 15, 2013, 08:06:37 am
Devils advocate is necessary.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 15, 2013, 08:17:35 am
one of you is clearly malfunctioning.
Both of them were being weird, IMO.


Just so you know: Rajaa wasn't or never insulted you at all during all those arguments you immaturely ignored...
I think you should reread those posts, then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 15, 2013, 08:18:03 am
Devils advocate is necessary.
Exactly. Simply questioning something can lead to complete reexaminations of one's position. I've seen it happen and it's pretty dang useful for things like this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on February 15, 2013, 01:34:02 pm
She doesn't even have a Contributor star. Dunno what you're talking about. ._.
Well, she had it some weeks (or months??) ago, recently I noticed she only has the blue star of mods :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on February 15, 2013, 08:10:08 pm
Are stars that big of a deal?

I also believe where MissB comes from when she says the guild can be very vulgar and rude. You look back on users like Navana (who was annoying), I do remember users would go out of their way and stalk the him. They would even go as far as his Mugen Help threads, which was unrelated to the drama, and go ham. When I pointed this out, I was called a white knight, a trap lover, and a pedophile.

Navana was the worst but it still happens from time to time. The only thing that changed is the username, and these same people are going out of their way to follow their posts for a chance to make fun of them.
Now Im not saying these users did nothing to deserve it. All of them have done something to garner that negative attention. But where do you draw that line where enough is enough? If their the antagonist, why do users go out of your way to give them attention? Why can't you just be the bigger person and ignore them?
People want attention, why give them what they want?

I believe that that is what MissB is getting at.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on February 15, 2013, 08:20:20 pm
Just so you know: Rajaa wasn't or never insulted you at all during all those arguments you immaturely ignored...

Hi. I'm here to tell you that you suck and you're useless.

No offense, of course. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 15, 2013, 08:28:01 pm
People who disagree with you because they hold and present an opposing viewpoint are useful. People who disagree with you for the sake of disagreeing with you are useless noise.

All I've seen MissB do is slow down discussions without contributing anything of merit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on February 15, 2013, 08:57:58 pm
You don't ignore a complaint that is perfectly valid and touches a quite important subject just because you don't like the way it's worded as if you were the queen of England or a sleazy politician. If the problem is important, the packaging is irrelevant. Get the point, solve the problem.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zero-Sennin on February 15, 2013, 11:33:14 pm
There are ways to express yourself clearly that don't involve sounding like a jerk. Yes, a complaint can be completely valid, even if it's written with ten million swearwords and another ten million insults about how someone is stupid and slack-jawed, but it's not going to make it any better received.

It's the principle of common decency and a vital part of knowing how to actually communicate with people instead of shouting at them all the time. The "packaging" is far from irrelevant.

That said, I see where Rajaa is coming from about some decisions being obfuscated sometimes, and I see where MissB is coming from with her concerns about rudeness, cliqueishness, etc. But if anyone is doing something that's counterproductive to the staff making decisions, then they should be called on it without being insulted. Not that difficult to do.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on February 15, 2013, 11:47:19 pm
There are ways to express yourself clearly that don't involve sounding like a jerk. Yes, a complaint can be completely valid, even if it's written with ten million swearwords and another ten million insults about how someone is stupid and slack-jawed, but it's not going to make it any better received.

It's the principle of common decency and a vital part of knowing how to actually communicate with people instead of shouting at them all the time. The "packaging" is far from irrelevant.
Yeah cool that changes nothing. We're not discussing Rajaa's attitude, we're discussing MBH's. Arguing about the way Rajaa said it is nothing more than arguing in circle about nothing while discarding the actual concern, which is what I was just saying when you went back to how it was said.

Oh by the way, there are tons of people who know how to play devil's advocate and point out things most of the others on the staff miss.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on February 16, 2013, 12:23:12 am
Someone please point out the insults in my posts. I'll make it easy:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Was it because I said she's being annoying and obnoxious? Well, I could have called her a bunch of other words, but those are the words that describe her behavior. Was it because I said I don't see any point in her being here? Well, how else is that supposed to be said? My intent wasn't to be insulting, it was to respectfully tell her that she's being annoying and obnoxious -- and she proved it by ignoring my posts and telling me I'm being immature and personally insulting her. There's a difference between a personal insult and a discussion about personal behavior.

The fact is that she completely blew off even my first post which was simply explaining to her that we're not becoming mean and we don't need someone to just oppose for the sake of opposing.

A devil advocate may be necessary, but MBH is not a devil's advocate, she's just an advocate of opposition for the sake of opposition.

Nobody cares how many forums you moderate or have moderated in the past. I moderate people in real life in a more serious manner, what does that have to with your behavior on this site? Nothing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 16, 2013, 12:30:08 am
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I see where MissB is coming from with her concerns about rudeness, cliqueishness, etc.

This is what seems to happen.

- MissB makes an unsubstantiated claim about 'rudeness, cliqueishness, etc.'
- The claim is refuted, and MissB is asked to substantiate it.
- MissB ignores the post because of 'bullying'.

All this does is make her seem aloof and superior without having anything of actual substance to say, and allow her to avoid response whenever she's called out on it. It's empty and accomplishes nothing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on February 16, 2013, 12:55:42 am
I can't say much about MissB but I can share some views from what I've seen.

- I really think she is trying to make herself more Superior than she is with always neglecting bans (Even when they're for really good reasons)
- Never seems to contribute or barely post outside of the "All that's left" section, might say "Nice char +1" at rare occasions.
- Is really Ignorant when it comes to stuff like this, it's sometimes nice to be different but not in this case!
- I recall her being somewhat of a "Troll" back when she was a regular user on here and an Admin/Whatever on Mugen Infantry and from what I saw, she liked to annoy people.
- Animal Fetish

Most of those points are from what other people have mentioned but it shouldn't hurt to say them again.

I really hope MissB considers changing a little, if not. Then I think she should be removed from the Moderator team and let someone more Contributing and less softhearted on there instead.

Well, she had it some weeks (or months??) ago, recently I noticed she only has the blue star of mods :P
In all my years here, I have never seen MissB with a Contributor Star, heck I don't even know why I have one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on February 16, 2013, 01:09:33 am
Wait, hold on, since when did a contributor star become a requirement for moderator status?

From the Warnings thread:

Iced said:
Someone not making stuff for mugen doesnt mean they are "useless" or "worthless". Sepp, valodim,titiln,  even oz or person man are good examples of people that either gave up on mugen fast, or never "Made" stuff for mugen. That didnt made them any less of staff members whose opinions should be taken in consideration.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on February 16, 2013, 01:16:36 am
It's not a requirement. My comments about her contributions to Mugen were coupled with my comments about her contributions to this forum to ask her what reason she had in being here in the first place if she's not interested in Mugen and only wants to stir up arguments about staff decisions.

I don't know why Basara brought up stars.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 16, 2013, 01:31:04 am
So what you guys are saying is that MissB's claims have no merit. You're suggesting that there is never a clique behavior, where members of this forum gang up on someone who, say, doesn't listen to their feedback for releases. Or breaks either an unwritten rule or says something dumb a few times. No one has ever been driven out of this forum by a mob mentality. There aren't people on this forum, hell on this staff even, that provoke people either at the start of an argument or after one has died down into an completely unnecessary fight and it hasn't even been happening recently. Either you're suggesting that this doesn't happen, or that it doesn't need to be addressed, and in any case I'd disagree with the whole lot of you.

Rajaa, are you saying that MissB HASN'T contributed anything as a member of the staff? That she doesn't give her opinion, especially when it comes to trying to set a standard procedure set up for banning people? Or maybe you don't think her ideas seem reasonable in any way and they're not worth listening to? And do you think a majority of the staff feel that way? I know how I feel about it. Everything she has brought up, even when I disagree with her, has been worth discussing even for a tiny bit. Even with HJK it's worth questioning, though I agree with what happened in the end to him. In the end you've suggested the harm that she's done, as a member of the staff, is waste time discussing whether or not people should be banned instead of acting first and asking questions later. Her crime is 'wasting time'. I think it's important to everyone on this forum that we spend at least some time discussing long term or permanent actions by any member of our staff. Hell how long did we spend discussing what is or isn't porn in comparison to HJK's ban? Did MissB really cause any of us any harm with that, other than you who will not drop this subject at all?

This is ridiculous. Compared to some of the complaints on our staff for things that really have harmed the forum, including for example what I did to Shamrock, MissB 'crimes' of 'wasting time' are negligible.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 16, 2013, 01:33:17 am
No, I'm pretty sure the claim was that this behaviour has decreased, rather than increased, over time, and that the forum is in a much better state than it had been in the past. Let's avoid straw men here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 16, 2013, 01:36:05 am
That's good that it's decreased. It doesn't mean that it doesn't still happen, and it doesn't hurt to suggest ways to curve it from happening in the future. Unless you're suggesting that it does hurt to do that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 16, 2013, 01:38:19 am
No, not at all. What I'm trying to say is that MissB claimed that it was recent/increasing/a new problem, and that was what people have rebutted, so your exaggerated sarcastic statement about that never ever possibly happening is unnecessary and missing the point.

No one's denying that some people are dicks. People are denying that we're suddenly more dickish than ever before and that the forum is headed in a bad direction.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on February 16, 2013, 01:39:20 am
It's not a requirement. My comments about her contributions to Mugen were coupled with my comments about her contributions to this forum to ask her what reason she had in being here in the first place if she's not interested in Mugen and only wants to stir up arguments about staff decisions.

I don't know why Basara brought up stars.
Well the fact that I just quoted a piece of a post that was indeed directed at you, and the fact that I felt the need to show this just goes to show you that maybe the things you're saying are not properly elaborated by you, simply because they come off as something else.

I mean no offense by this, but shit...

Someone please point out the insults in my posts.
Rajaa said:
That's not the reason she's useless. She's useless because...
Rajaa said:
I wasn't belittling her

...in what parallel universe is saying someone is useless at something, in real life, in a forum or anywhere else, not to be considered belittling? That's like telling someone they suck straight in their face and expecting a handshake in return.

I'm not saying it was your intention to do so, I'm just saying it's pretty silly not to expect reactions like the ones she had. Such as ignoring.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 16, 2013, 01:43:27 am
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...in what parallel universe is saying someone is useless at something, in real life, in a forum or anywhere else, not to be considered belittling?

When it's true, and a problem that needs to be addressed. If someone at my job told me I was useless, and they had a good enough argument to express that it was true, I wouldn't hide and ignore it, I'd do something about it.

Statements of fact are never insults. If those are not statements of fact, the appropriate response is to contest them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 16, 2013, 01:43:44 am
No, not at all. What I'm trying to say is that MissB claimed that it was recent/increasing/a new problem, and that was what people have rebutted, so your exaggerated sarcastic statement about that never ever possibly happening is unnecessary and missing the point.

No one's denying that some people are dicks. People are denying that we're suddenly more dickish than ever before and that the forum is headed in a bad direction.

When she's brought this up, including recently and in the past, there's always a string of behavior to go along with it. Not just isolated incidents. Yes, the forum is a better place than it was several years ago. Also, there are times where over the span of a few weeks or months it seems like things are getting worse again because of several instances. I think it's fair to bring up when that is happening, try to find out what's causing it, and discourage it in the future. This includes very recently where because it was brought up we've agreed to deal with several situations in a different manner from now on. Which means it was useful to bring it up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 16, 2013, 01:47:49 am
Sure. I don't pay enough attention (and don't have enough arrogance) to feel like I have a good enough grasp on this forum to tell you how to run it or anything like that. You just made a huge sweeping sarcastic statement that I felt was based on a false assumption, so I tried to address that. I'm not causing issues or anything and I'm fine to bow out of the discussion here.

(Also, psst, it's manner. A manor is a fancy house.)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 16, 2013, 01:50:43 am
I do remember users would go out of their way and stalk the him. They would even go as far as his Mugen Help threads, which was unrelated to the drama, and go ham. When I pointed this out, I was called a white knight, a trap lover, and a pedophile.
Wait, what? I don't recall this ever happening? Link, plz.

Also, in the future, if you see that kind of harassment, report it. That's the only way we'll know about that kind of stuff, and, more importantly, the only way it will stop.

We're not discussing Rajaa's attitude, we're discussing MBH's.
ZS is free to discuss whatever he wants in this thread... well I mean, if it's on topic. And what he posted is. You don't get to dictate the terms of the discussion.

Either you're suggesting that this doesn't happen, or that it doesn't need to be addressed, and in any case I'd disagree with the whole lot of you.
I would also disagree with the notion that there isn't any cliquishness, or people ganging up on others, or whatever. To deny that happening is to deny basic human nature. We may have emerged from the ultra-insular pre-rule change era, but it's not like we're some perfectly welcome and open community. It's something everyone, from mods to users, needs to work on; sure, it's striving towards an admittedly impossible goal, but it improves everyone's experience here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on February 16, 2013, 01:51:52 am
When it's true, and a problem that needs to be addressed. If someone at my job told me I was useless, and they had a good enough argument to express that it was true, I wouldn't hide and ignore it, I'd do something about it.

Statements of fact are never insults. If those are not statements of fact, the appropriate response is to contest them.

Because you wanna get paid. We all have to eat shit and like the taste of it at certain points in life to move up, I get that. But this is not real life and she's not getting paid to endure crap as a moderator on a freaking gaming forum. And I never said ignoring was the proper reaction, I agree it should've been handled better. I just said it's amongst the things that could've happened and did happen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 16, 2013, 01:58:09 am
When it's true, and a problem that needs to be addressed. If someone at my job told me I was useless, and they had a good enough argument to express that it was true, I wouldn't hide and ignore it, I'd do something about it.

Statements of fact are never insults. If those are not statements of fact, the appropriate response is to contest them.

Because you wanna get paid. We all have to eat shit and like the taste of it at certain points in life to move up, I get that. But this is not real life and she's not getting paid to endure crap as a moderator on a freaking gaming forum. And I never said ignoring was the proper reaction, I agree it should've been handled better. I just said it's amongst the things that could've happened and did happen.

I was coming at that more from 'because I want to do a good job at things', I just said 'job' because obviously I'm useless here because I'm not a contributor or mod or anything so the comparison wouldn't work. Regardless of context, if someone has a problem with my behaviour that I judge has merit, I'll try to fix it. That's who I am. I guess that isn't who everyone is?

Getting tangential now though, so whatever. XD
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on February 16, 2013, 02:06:45 am
I do remember users would go out of their way and stalk the him. They would even go as far as his Mugen Help threads, which was unrelated to the drama, and go ham. When I pointed this out, I was called a white knight, a trap lover, and a pedophile.
Wait, what? I don't recall this ever happening? Link, plz.
Late 2011 or early 2012 I think, can't find it as it was a small period of time, but yes there was an issue with Duo befriending Navana a bit. Lately the forum has gotten a lot kinder but I remember the place did have a lot of issues in 2011 with users and arguments all over the place, I remember the drone thing wasn't dropped for months after Bomber, Cap'n, Belial, and I stopped posting much in random topic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on February 16, 2013, 02:12:26 am
It's not a requirement. My comments about her contributions to Mugen were coupled with my comments about her contributions to this forum to ask her what reason she had in being here in the first place if she's not interested in Mugen and only wants to stir up arguments about staff decisions.

I don't know why Basara brought up stars.
Well the fact that I just quoted a piece of a post that was indeed directed at you, and the fact that I felt the need to show this just goes to show you that maybe the things you're saying are not properly elaborated by you, simply because they come off as something else.

I mean no offense by this, but shit...

Someone please point out the insults in my posts.
Rajaa said:
That's not the reason she's useless. She's useless because...
Rajaa said:
I wasn't belittling her

...in what parallel universe is saying someone is useless at something, in real life, in a forum or anywhere else, not to be considered belittling? That's like telling someone they suck straight in their face and expecting a handshake in return.

I'm not saying it was your intention to do so, I'm just saying it's pretty silly not to expect reactions like the ones she had. Such as ignoring.

I didn't say she was useless before she began ignoring me, nor did I insult her, so your point is moot, just like hers.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on February 16, 2013, 02:21:47 am
So what you guys are saying is that MissB's claims have no merit. You're suggesting that there is never a clique behavior, where members of this forum gang up on someone who, say, doesn't listen to their feedback for releases. Or breaks either an unwritten rule or says something dumb a few times. No one has ever been driven out of this forum by a mob mentality. There aren't people on this forum, hell on this staff even, that provoke people either at the start of an argument or after one has died down into an completely unnecessary fight and it hasn't even been happening recently. Either you're suggesting that this doesn't happen, or that it doesn't need to be addressed, and in any case I'd disagree with the whole lot of you.
Did someone suggest it never happened ? As far as I could follow the discussion, things blew up because MBH said very vague things, and when asked to elaborate, didn't. It didn't blow up over those things happening or not, it blew up over the refusal to explain something.

We're not discussing Rajaa's attitude, we're discussing MBH's.
ZS is free to discuss whatever he wants in this thread... well I mean, if it's on topic. And what he posted is. You don't get to dictate the terms of the discussion.
Completely not the point and not what I said, AGAIN. I'm not dictating what SHOULD be discussed, I'm underlining what WAS being discussed, so kindly get the fuck off my back instead of misreading me, again. Bringing up "how this was said" and "which wording was used" is irrelevant. It may be on the topic of the argument, but it's a different discussion altogether. I'm saying it's not an adequate answer to the issue that was raised, it's a tangential remark on the overall discussion, which answers nothing of the original problem.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on February 16, 2013, 02:25:51 am
So what you guys are saying is that MissB's claims have no merit. You're suggesting that there is never a clique behavior, where members of this forum gang up on someone who, say, doesn't listen to their feedback for releases. Or breaks either an unwritten rule or says something dumb a few times. No one has ever been driven out of this forum by a mob mentality. There aren't people on this forum, hell on this staff even, that provoke people either at the start of an argument or after one has died down into an completely unnecessary fight and it hasn't even been happening recently. Either you're suggesting that this doesn't happen, or that it doesn't need to be addressed, and in any case I'd disagree with the whole lot of you.
I find this completely irrelevant to the forum BECOMING meaner. Becoming meaner means moving toward meanness, which I don't think is happening. Those things will exist in any community and sub community, and it's not that rampant here to the point at which I don't think there's a mob mentality here, as opposed to some places that claim their forum is an actual team -- and people literally get outcasted more often than not.

Rajaa, are you saying that MissB HASN'T contributed anything as a member of the staff? That she doesn't give her opinion, especially when it comes to trying to set a standard procedure set up for banning people? Or maybe you don't think her ideas seem reasonable in any way and they're not worth listening to? And do you think a majority of the staff feel that way? I know how I feel about it. Everything she has brought up, even when I disagree with her, has been worth discussing even for a tiny bit. Even with HJK it's worth questioning, though I agree with what happened in the end to him. In the end you've suggested the harm that she's done, as a member of the staff, is waste time discussing whether or not people should be banned instead of acting first and asking questions later. Her crime is 'wasting time'. I think it's important to everyone on this forum that we spend at least some time discussing long term or permanent actions by any member of our staff. Hell how long did we spend discussing what is or isn't porn in comparison to HJK's ban? Did MissB really cause any of us any harm with that, other than you who will not drop this subject at all?

This is ridiculous. Compared to some of the complaints on our staff for things that really have harmed the forum, including for example what I did to Shamrock, MissB 'crimes' of 'wasting time' are negligible.
If you read my post, you would understand exactly what I'm saying, I don't really feel like repeating myself. I don't know what the majority of the staff thinks because the majority of the staff hasn't really said anything, but a lot of other people have said things. HJK's ban was not worth questioning. He is only a troll -- he has been a troll for his whole history on this forum; from the alternate accounts to the subliminal and direct messages imbedded in his profile to the spammy (and actual spam), inciting posts out of the blue. Opposing that because of some nonexistent constitution is ridiculous.

Sure, oppose some things, disagree with some things, but don't make that your whole GIMMICK. That porn discussion was even more ridiculous, but Jmorphman doesn't do that EVERY single time as some sort of gimmick or out of some sense of superiority.

Yes, she causes harm because she represents an ongoing gimmick that I have grown to dislike. And apparently I'm not the only one.

Also, to add, she completely snubbed my post because she claimed I was insulting her, when I wasn't, and she was being coy and still is being coy to this very moment, and not only to me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 16, 2013, 02:39:04 am
so kindly get the fuck off my back instead of misreading me, again.
:embarrassed2:

I'm saying it's not an adequate answer to the issue that was raised, it's a tangential remark on the overall discussion, which answers nothing of the original problem.
And I'm saying that it doesn't matter whether it's tangential or not.

Nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on February 16, 2013, 02:43:02 am
And I'm saying that it doesn't matter whether it's tangential or not.

Nothing more, nothing less.
You don't get to dictate the terms of the discussion.
You're saying I'm trying to force people into discussing what I want and not what they want. That's what "dictating the terms of the discussion" means. Stop trying to make me look like a close-minded bully who stomps on anyone who disagrees with me when I'm explaining problems and solutions. Is anyone even interested in FIXING stuff or just arguing about words with more words ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 16, 2013, 02:47:34 am
I think you're reading too deeply into things, and producing readings that have no basis on reality. You did in fact tell ZS that his post was irrelevant ("arguing in circles"), and that's why I said that you should dictate the terms of the discussion.

Now let's get back on topic, shall we? (because this actually is off-topic :P)

Yes, she causes harm because she represents an ongoing gimmick that I have grown to dislike. And apparently I'm not the only one.
It's a gimmick that she rarely agrees with the rest of us? That's ridiculous.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 16, 2013, 03:01:44 am
Did someone suggest it never happened? As far as I could follow the discussion, things blew up because MBH said very vague things, and when asked to elaborate, didn't. It didn't blow up over those things happening or not, it blew up over the refusal to explain something.

If it is happening, then isn't it useful to have someone on the staff who brings it up? Also it was a lot more complicated than that.

I find this completely irrelevant to the forum BECOMING meaner. Becoming meaner means moving toward meanness, which I don't think is happening. Those things will exist in any community and sub community, and it's not that rampant here to the point at which I don't think there's a mob mentality here, as opposed to some places that claim their forum is an actual team -- and people literally get outcasted more often than not.

While you don't believe the forum is getting meaner, apparently there are times MissB believes it is and feels the need to discuss it. There have been times where I've felt the same way as her, too.

HJK's ban was not worth questioning. He is only a troll -- he has been a troll for his whole history on this forum; from the alternate accounts to the subliminal and direct messages imbedded in his profile to the spammy (and actual spam), inciting posts out of the blue. Opposing that because of some nonexistent constitution is ridiculous.

His ban was initially presented as being for spamming posts in the 'shit thread', and the staff member who banned him circumvented the policy we had been trying out when he did it(preliminary ban, discussion, long term ban. He skipped right to the long term ban). MissB questioned both of these, and I believe it was appropriate for her to do so. I even initially questioned it because of how the ban was carried out. In the end she even agreed that HJK's other behavior combined with his past was a good justification for a long term ban.

Unprovoked attacks and multiple fake accounts are acceptable reasons for a lengthy ban, I have a differing opinion about what you see as "starting fights" though.   And I will admit  I'm defensive about this ban because it didn't follow procedure....so I will stop claiming  it was because what happened in the shit thread. 

Sure, oppose some things, disagree with some things, but don't make that your whole GIMMICK. That porn discussion was even more ridiculous, but Jmorphman doesn't do that EVERY single time as some sort of gimmick or out of some sense of superiority.

I believe she's been fairly consistent on what she opposes. It probably seems like she does it more than what she really does because she speaks out more for issues she believes in. I know why you believe it's a gimmick but that doesn't mean that it is. I haven't seen it that way because I have found the issues she brings up to be useful and necessary.

Yes, she causes harm because she represents an ongoing gimmick that I have grown to dislike. And apparently I'm not the only one.

Also, to add, she completely snubbed my post because she claimed I was insulting her, when I wasn't, and she was being coy and still is being coy to this very moment, and not only to me.

Look at it from this point of view. If she sees your message as being inflammatory and does not want to continue the conversation or discuss the issue until it's at least presented in a way that doesn't make, with or without a base, claims about her usefulness and intentions, and questioning her character, that's how she feels about it. In the same way that you feel that her speaking out on bans and rude behavior so often makes you feel like she's being a gimmick that you personally dislike, and how you want to put an end to that. I'm not gonna speak for the way she handled it but I understand. I understand how all of you have handled this and why this has come about.

I like this staff. Having both of you on this staff has and will continue to make this forum a better place. I'd like to work through this and end this issue instead of dragging it on. I tried to stay out of it but it just wouldn't drop so I'll say that I believe what MissB does is useful. I believe what you all do is useful.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on February 16, 2013, 03:17:23 am
My telling her about her faults is not a fault of my own -- that's a horrible way to look at things.

Not to be dismissive, but I'm over it, just so long as she takes this as feedback and thinks about it the next time she wants to oppose just for the sake of opposition. Otherwise, I will bring it up again, because it's not a good attitude, no matter how much the "devil's advocate" is needed.

And also as long as she stops being ridiculously coy and self entitled.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on February 16, 2013, 03:40:50 am
I didn't say she was useless before she began ignoring me, nor did I insult her, so your point is moot, just like hers.

I know this topic is getting old, Rajaa, but I'm having trouble understanding you here. It seems to me like you're saying that her actions, or rather, in your point of view, lack thereof wasn't what made her "useless", but the fact that she ignored you? Or would the case be that you somewhat "snapped" at her silent reactions and then came clean about what you really felt like saying to her? I don't see a third possibility here.

But anywho, just so people know, I'm not trying to white-knight anyone here. I'm just saying things the way I see them, no more, no less. I can safely say I have indeed experienced a situation where a person tried to force their opinion in a clan I used to be a part of. It was quite worse than this, but I can still see why some people react the way they do. I do, however, know for a fact that if this person just sat down and made suggestions to the more experienced portion of the team and learned from the answers instead of insisting to flick off people he could learn from, I would still be in that clan.

I'm not sure how many people feel that this is the kind of situation the staff's in, though, since I'm not a member of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on February 16, 2013, 03:44:43 am
If you can't understand that in relation to all the other posts I and others have made on this subject, then any further clarification would be futile because the problem is clearly your own.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on February 16, 2013, 06:20:54 am
Hm... I guess you're right, I might've misinterpreted some things. I still believe both of you could've solved this thing a lot better, though. I'm not against either one of you, to be quite honest.

Just trying to see things correctly here, because if this staff collapsed somehow because of silly things and arguments, just when things have improved considerably in the forum, that would suck.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on February 16, 2013, 06:33:54 am
Staff is not collapsing over this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 16, 2013, 01:43:59 pm
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It's a gimmick that she rarely agrees with the rest of us? That's ridiculous.

It really, really isn't, and it's not the first time I've seen someone be contrarian for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on February 16, 2013, 03:21:27 pm
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It's a gimmick that she rarely agrees with the rest of us? That's ridiculous.

It really, really isn't, and it's not the first time I've seen someone be contrarian for the sake of it.

Oh trust me, I will question my motives  before I start objecting like a cheap lawyer.  Rajaa, I apologize for ignoring you.  I still think you were aggressive, insulting and bullying but I could have handled it better.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on February 16, 2013, 03:46:16 pm
bullying
Stop that bullshit. Thinking you do a terrible job and have a terrible attitude and telling you so isn't bullying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 16, 2013, 04:01:15 pm
like I said in the staff thread, I believe missb was way too vague, lack of communication is what brings conflict , not too much communication. Im expecting things to not be as vague next time there is something to discuss.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 17, 2013, 10:33:03 pm
The general staff is doing a good job with duckass, he is young as has trouble with english, but he is interested in making mugen stuff (if he was not it would really be better to get rid of him), he is like a young warner so maybe he grows into one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 18, 2013, 03:33:24 pm
there's no need to bother valodim with low priority issues like making it so reports can't be used by banned users. it barely happens. just tell dncelestin that if he reports anything during his ban he'll have his reading permissions revoked too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on February 18, 2013, 03:44:38 pm
I think it's been used twice by banned users in the last 8 hours.  Revoking reading permissions for people using the report feature to communicate sounds like a good idea.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 18, 2013, 03:58:22 pm
celestin kept using it because nobody told him to stop until now and zeroz used it because he's an idiot. it's an issue that can be fixed through simple posts and actions.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 18, 2013, 04:16:06 pm
It's happened enough in the past that I feel it's worth addressing. Banned users are not supposed to be able to report posts and every time I've seen it done they've used it to continue drama that caused them to be banned in the first place.

Why should we continue to have to tell everyone that does it not to do it when it could be fixed so that it doesn't happen? Assuming it can be. It's been a problem for years.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 18, 2013, 04:19:05 pm
here is an idea, ban them more. like, revoke their reading access if they do that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 18, 2013, 04:22:55 pm
We could do that but I'd rather it not come to that. Bans are usually supposed to be strictly from posting. What you're suggesting [E] is what we can already do, I don't think we've ever needed to do it though(at least recently).

Removing reports for banned users just makes things easier, not having to tell every banned person not to report posts or else they'll be BANNED MORE.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on February 18, 2013, 05:32:34 pm
What you're suggesting [E] is what we can already do, I don't think we've ever needed to do it though(at least recently).
I think we did that with Moolambo when he went crazy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 18, 2013, 08:29:39 pm
Just remove login privileges if you want to revoke report permissions, then?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 18, 2013, 08:55:37 pm
Just remove login privileges if you want to revoke report permissions, then?
We could do that but I'd rather it not come to that. Bans are usually supposed to be strictly from posting. What you're suggesting [E] is what we can already do, I don't think we've ever needed to do it though(at least recently).

Removing reports for banned users just makes things easier, not having to tell every banned person not to report posts or else they'll be BANNED MORE.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 18, 2013, 08:56:46 pm
Oh. Well, I dunno then. :|
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on February 18, 2013, 09:10:57 pm
As a request, I was wondering if I could get my old account un-banned? I have to go through a bit of trouble to somehow get the updated versions of Scarlet on here and with this talk of "banned users can't report posts",just makes things a bit harder for me to get the new links on here. I mean, I want to be able to get constructive criticism on Scarlet and this is the best to get some. But whenever wargame10 or someone else posts a thread about her release, it isn't met with any feedback.

I mean, I'm having to rely on the knowledge I have as of now. Plus there's a lot of discussion threads that I'd like to put my input in. Look, I'm not the jerk I was before.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 18, 2013, 09:12:47 pm
Jmorph: We could always switch to doing it that way. If it's not an IP ban, banned users should be able to still read the forum without logging in.

Reporting posts when you're banned is a forum bug though. You aren't supposed to be able to do it. Hmm...I have this nagging feeling that this has been brought up to Val in the past and that it would be a pain in the ass to fix. Hey if any of you get banned and you keep reporting posts you won't be able to login anymore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on February 18, 2013, 09:25:09 pm
But whenever wargame10 or someone else posts a thread about her release, it isn't met with any feedback.
I don't think you posting it will make any difference
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on February 18, 2013, 09:30:13 pm
But whenever wargame10 or someone else posts a thread about her release, it isn't met with any feedback.
I don't think you posting it will make any difference

Because of my reputation in the past or because she's a edit of Len?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: D00dman on February 18, 2013, 09:33:03 pm
But whenever wargame10 or someone else posts a thread about her release, it isn't met with any feedback.
I don't think you posting it will make any difference

Because of my reputation in the past or because she's a edit of Len?

Had to do with your past and the part that you're begging for an unban. It's not gonna help.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on February 18, 2013, 09:34:43 pm
So, the amount of work I put into improving her everyday is pointless?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 18, 2013, 09:35:48 pm
If you think it is, then yes.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on February 18, 2013, 09:37:01 pm
I wouldn't say pointless, it's good to put in work but last time people didn't want to unban you dude, I don't assume that'll change. But who knows.. just wait for some more staff input. You made stupid decisions before, it'd be a shame if those past actions affected you now that a long time has passed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lil' Hurricane on February 18, 2013, 09:38:37 pm
I'm curious, but is that Luigi1632 I see here?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on February 18, 2013, 09:39:03 pm
If I don't get un-banned... then it's like I'm only improving Scarlet for myself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 18, 2013, 09:39:54 pm
If you're only improving her for yourself, why are you releasing her? Good grief, no feedback does not equal no downloads.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on February 18, 2013, 09:42:15 pm
I release her, so I can get feedback and learn more. Heck, some feedback on I received on that least-favored site, IMT, got to pay attention to pausetime and such.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on February 18, 2013, 09:50:15 pm
I'm curious, but is that Luigi1632 I see here?
I guess yes (http://www.infinitymugenteam.com/Forum_345/index.php?topic=39593.0)

Wait a minute... if you made an alternate account here to post and complain about being unbanned your original account, why don't you use this "Kurai" account you made and post it by yourself??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on February 18, 2013, 09:52:23 pm
I'm curious, but is that Luigi1632 I see here?
I guess yes (http://www.infinitymugenteam.com/Forum_345/index.php?topic=39593.0)

Wait a minute... if you made an alternate account here to post and complain about being unbanned your original account, why don't you use this "Kurai" account you made and post it by yourself??

But it probably wouldn't last too long.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on February 18, 2013, 09:58:32 pm
Depends, if you haven't change a bit from the time you were banned, I say you're right.

But I hope that's not happens and you demostrate a better attitude to stay here in the forum. As I read in the IMT release thread, you want real feedback and here there're a lot of new people who makes good feedback apart of the known ones. Also, I agree about what O Ilusionista said in that thread:
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Nice attitude. This is how the big ones does.

I doubt they will laugh at you by this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on February 18, 2013, 10:02:43 pm
Well I'll just go back to revising my novel and working on Scarlet for a while.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 18, 2013, 11:09:50 pm
You might reach an agreement in which you only post in the release threads adn if you behave well you get allowed to post in the wip threads; I think it has been done before.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 19, 2013, 12:32:53 am
Hey Kurai, we decided to give you another chance so I'm unbanning your old account and merging the new one with it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 19, 2013, 12:33:29 am
Why not just merge them (after unbanning the old one)?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 19, 2013, 12:34:19 am
I might do that, haven't decided yet. It's a pain, alright!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on February 19, 2013, 12:38:39 am
Caddie es numero uno
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 19, 2013, 12:39:18 am
Caddie for Gmo-oh wait. Caddie for Admi-oh wait. Umm, Caddie for super Admin!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 19, 2013, 12:50:07 am
Caddie for forum programmer, as a start he should start fixing the "banned users can report posts" bug
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 27, 2013, 03:24:05 am
>AxKing's ban expires.
>AxKing keeps on preaching.
I don't think the three days ban worked as intended.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 27, 2013, 03:27:33 am
>Le meme arrow
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 27, 2013, 03:34:34 am
>AxKing's ban expires.
>AxKing keeps on preaching.
I don't think the three days ban worked as intended.
He wasn't banned for preaching, he was banned for spamming his preaching in a bunch of topics. And now he's restricted to the shit thread.

So yes, the ban did work.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on February 27, 2013, 03:05:05 pm
I wonder what's happenning to him. I mean, he got cool projects and a good behavior, and from nothing he become the "Jehovah's Witness" of Guild. Is he looking to be banned with a purpose?? Or he just lied about his personality all this time until now??

Also, as I read in Warnings, I agree about a ban after his recent comeback is too early. Apart of direct warnings, I say delete his posts when he derails and spams with his God speech, and mention him with the warning message, no matter if it's in the shit thread
Forget what I said, he was banned again... if Ax wanted that, he achieved it now...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on February 27, 2013, 05:43:31 pm
Considering Ax's new post on his alt account:

I'm not condoning breaking protocol here but is a 2 year ban really going to do anything? He already stated his intentions of not coming back here again, so is a ban of that length really going to accomplish anything?

On the other hand, if you are going to ban him for an extended period of time, you may as well make it permanent. Force him to eat his words in the event he ever decides to change his mind and start preaching lynching minorities and other pro-KKK propaganda in 3 years.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on February 27, 2013, 06:38:42 pm
The point is that he can't be himself anymore. If he comes back as someone else and we don't know, tough shit for us, however, it would mean that we officially got rid of hate speech and flame baiting, so our duties are done, nonetheless. Unless his new account starts up something stupid, he won't be noticed. I'm 100% sure dozens of users have changed their information and came back as different people, if we don't know who they are or what accounts they are using, then our bans worked, one way or another. They're the ones that have to be in disguise and hold back comments they would usually be able to post if they were their normal selves.

We are aware of the flaws of banning someone online. And just because someone said they won't come back, doesn't mean they won't come back.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 27, 2013, 06:44:56 pm
Tons of people use that as an excuse for things like backing down from a battle or even to try to plead out of a ban. Nine times out of ten people don't seem to hold themselves to it on the internet.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 27, 2013, 06:55:08 pm
two years is pretty much forever on the internet, the worse that can happen  is what just happened with the guy titiln banned, who came back asking to post his mugen works to get feedback and the staff had already forgotten why he got banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on February 27, 2013, 07:02:09 pm
Points taken. I wasn't advocating not banning him, I just felt 2 years was too short in comparison. iirc, wasnt his first account banned almost 2 years ago? If he couldnt change in those 2 years then odds are he wont change.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on February 28, 2013, 04:23:14 am
Just a general thing for those of you who may feel like you want to start anew. Trashing your topics or requesting that you can swap accounts to leave the other stuff behind you doesn't work.

If you slip in your quest for a fresh start and someone recognises you, or alternatively someone outs you. All you get is flack and you are actually just as badly off as before because everyone sees you trying to hide.

Embrace your past, accept it, and then try to improve. Show people you aren't who you were. Don't hide behind a new name and a new account. If people are going to bring up your past they will do it regardless of your new name/account. What should be important is who you are trying to be. If that means your past has some crap in it, that's something you have to live with because that crap will always be there.

Also it means we don't need to do any obnoxious work.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 01, 2013, 05:41:36 pm
Well said Cyanide, I agree with your post! :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Anthony JR.(Celest) on March 03, 2013, 09:37:44 pm
about GrayIce why dont you just delete the alternate account and give the original a 6 Hour or 1-Day Ban or Just a Warning in a PM asking not to do it again or a Ban is next on his list
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 03, 2013, 09:38:28 pm
make this man gmod
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on March 03, 2013, 09:45:12 pm
You're not a mod/gmod/admin dnceles, you don't get to decide what to do for a user that goes against the rules.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Anthony JR.(Celest) on March 03, 2013, 09:48:28 pm
You're not a mod/gmod/admin dnceles, you don't get to decide what to do for a user that goes against the rules.

just suggesting I don't wanna people to look at me as if I'm Backseat Modding
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 03, 2013, 10:00:30 pm
Pretty demanding for someone who says he's not backseat modding. ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Anthony JR.(Celest) on March 03, 2013, 10:09:37 pm
Well I'm Sorry Everyone if that Sounded Offensive to u I Really Am
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 03, 2013, 10:10:31 pm
about GrayIce why dont you just delete the alternate account and give the original a 6 Hour or 1-Day Ban or Just a Warning in a PM asking not to do it again or a Ban is next on his list
Uh, we're fine? We can handle this stuff. :|
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 03, 2013, 10:18:06 pm
Well I'm Sorry Everyone if that Sounded Offensive to u I Really Am
you werent offensive to anyone. dont worry that much.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 04, 2013, 02:17:18 am
Well I'm Sorry Everyone if that Sounded Offensive to u I Really Am
you werent offensive to anyone. dont worry that much.

Is that what dncelestinx96 told you to say ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Anthony JR.(Celest) on March 04, 2013, 02:26:34 am
Well I'm Sorry Everyone if that Sounded Offensive to u I Really Am
you werent offensive to anyone. dont worry that much.

Is that what dncelestinx96 told you to say ?

I swear upon my Right Hand I didn't
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 04, 2013, 02:28:12 am
* C.A.N takes out a cleaver *
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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on March 04, 2013, 04:42:13 am
This thread is for stuff in the Warnings Thread., it's not a place where users come to suggest bans.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 04, 2013, 05:29:24 am
Nor is it the place for you all to have a fun little discussion and make jokes. We have plenty of threads for that, we would like to keep this one understandable rather than full of wise cracks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 08, 2013, 11:47:07 pm
regarding wild tengu, ,maybe he lost access to his old email, has happened to me before.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 09, 2013, 12:02:08 am
Doubt it. He used his other account a few days ago. Anal Arts Ryu or whatever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 20, 2013, 11:48:41 pm
mbh said:
There's nothing in the rules about posting links to porn sites
the rules said:
Anything "hardcore" is obviously out of bounds.
i know you often play devil's advocate for the sake of playing devil's advocate, but come on
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on March 20, 2013, 11:53:09 pm
I thought thats referring to images posted.

  I didnt see the links Duck posted, so I guess I shouldnt be commenting on it.  I'm sure not arguing that people should be allowed to post porn links all over. 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 21, 2013, 12:23:46 am
Porn really is off limits. We kinda accept nsfw which is straight nudity if tagged correctly. Genuine porn is a no-no.

Characters can bypass this slightly as we can't control the contents of a release so well.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 21, 2013, 12:45:52 am
characters are relevant to mugen creation, even if they have porn, whereas a pure porn site is not; similar to how video game background music has been handled.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 21, 2013, 12:48:50 am
the idea that "I havent seen the links so I dont know" is pretty bogus too. its a porn site, you shouldnt be linking to a porn site from guild.
Its not "maybe if they do only vanilla porn it can be linked mid discussion about politics" .
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on March 21, 2013, 01:04:38 am
As I explained, I thought that section of the rules was about images posted, not things linked to.  Now I know it isnt.

It is NOT bogus that I didn't see Duck's links.  I didn't see them, so I have no idea what they were.  If other staff say they were porn, then I believe they were porn.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 21, 2013, 01:13:08 am
Someone brought up the link expressly noting it was porn, and then you responded later on by saying you didn't see the porn, while accepting that there was a link. It totally sounds like you're doubting that said link was in fact porn.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 21, 2013, 03:17:39 am
As I explained, I thought that section of the rules was about images posted, not things linked to.
it should be obvious that it's for more than just images. why would a forum explicitly disallow hardcore images while hardcore links are ok. why
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 21, 2013, 03:34:45 am
As I explained, I thought that section of the rules was about images posted, not things linked to.  Now I know it isnt.

It is NOT bogus that I didn't see Duck's links.  I didn't see them, so I have no idea what they were.  If other staff say they were porn, then I believe they were porn.
i wasnt talking about you not seeing them.
I was referring to you reacting to someone telling you that there was porn posted with "The rules dont disallow it" even if there wasnt a line in the rules referring to posting hardcore porn , would it be needed to be written down for it to be an staff interventing issue?
It really makes no difference that you didnt see them, you were posting on the assumption that they were there, you dont need to see a porn link to have a decision on either its okay or not to post it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on March 21, 2013, 09:23:28 am
I already admitted I was wrong, what do you guys want?  Blood?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on March 21, 2013, 09:31:25 am
Since you, we..everyone knows there are a ton of dumb people on this planet..in the internet and yeah..they make their way to MFG as well, GBK thought he has to add something to the convo.

So maybe it would be useful to update the rules thread and make it one big..easy to overview post instead of a thread with over 10 posts which add one or another rule or change something.

Write in clear words, make it obvious that linking to porn is not allowed.

Make it also clear that multiple accounts are not allowed if those are a problem

MFG is a wonderful organized place, you the staff are doing a good job, and i say that as someone who got banned 1 time as you know. Just the rules could be a bit clearer for the dummies maybe. Write up there whats important even if you believe its something obvious like not trolling, flaming, posting racist stuff or pretending to be someone else.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on March 21, 2013, 09:44:59 am
I guarantee if any one person read the rules in their current state, they would understand what is allowed and what isn't. People who want to break the rules or don't care about forum rules will break them regardless of how clear the rules are.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 21, 2013, 02:22:18 pm
when these kind of things happen it's because the rules aren't clear enough or because the culprit is a fucking idiot and in the case of duckss it's the latter. people that make alt accounts are still going to make alt accounts even if a long paragraph about that is added to the rules. it's probably not needed.

I already admitted I was wrong, what do you guys want?  Blood?
at this point i'm just trying to understand your thought process regarding these things.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on March 21, 2013, 02:44:53 pm
I Obviously misread and/or misunderstood the rules.

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Mild nudity ("boobs + butt") and more aesthetic stuff is ok clearly marked as NSFW, preferably put into a
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

I thought this was images posted, I understand now it's links.

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Anything "hardcore" is obviously out of bounds.

I thought this was images posted, I understand now it's links as well.

I do understand the difference between mild and hardcore since I debated jmorphman's obscene image was against the rules.  It was changed to a link the last I saw, and marked NSFW, which I thought was within the rules.  I dont have a clue where that is now (I looked for it briefly last night) and it's possible the link has since been removed.


Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 21, 2013, 02:49:46 pm
What about this point ?
It is NOT bogus that I didn't see Duck's links.  I didn't see them, so I have no idea what they were.  If other staff say they were porn, then I believe they were porn.
Someone brought up the link expressly noting it was porn, and then you responded later on by saying you didn't see the porn, while accepting that there was a link. It totally sounds like you're doubting that said link was in fact porn.
Specifically, you think not actually seeing DuckSS' link is relevant.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on March 21, 2013, 08:00:43 pm
Guys and gurls, the only allowed porn links (images, videos, sites, etc) in a forum... is in a porn forum. In every other non-porn forum that isn't allowed, this is something implicit everyone should know, especially with the mod status on it (being normal one or global one). About ASSDuck, when someone said "serbian porn? that exists?" and he answers "yeah, there it is", I didn't have to see those link to assume it was porn (and amateur porn what I saw there), so there's no excuse about "not to see it".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 21, 2013, 09:00:53 pm
I Obviously misread and/or misunderstood the rules.

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Mild nudity ("boobs + butt") and more aesthetic stuff is ok clearly marked as NSFW, preferably put into a
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

I thought this was images posted, I understand now it's links.

Quote
Anything "hardcore" is obviously out of bounds.

I thought this was images posted, I understand now it's links as well.

I do understand the difference between mild and hardcore since I debated jmorphman's obscene image was against the rules.  It was changed to a link the last I saw, and marked NSFW, which I thought was within the rules.  I dont have a clue where that is now (I looked for it briefly last night) and it's possible the link has since been removed.

Its global, its not just pics or just links either.
Some discernment of whoever is modding might apply but its never as wide as the case where not beng specifically said in the rules that something like that isnt allowed makes it okay.


There is a lot of things that are assumed good behaviour on the internet, it includes spamming, using racist epithefs, using other pages to just post publicity to your page, homophobic comments, photoshopping the face of the person you are arguing with into bestiality pic and even posting porn.
You dont have to have a rule specifically telling people not to photoshop others into bestiality pics for it to be frowned upon, there is no way anyone can think that would be needed. You dont need to have a rule telling people not to get alternate accounts either, or to not circuvent bans.

I mean come on!

i'm going to add more rules since people are complaining that some "obvious" things are not so obvious

- Do not make secondary accounts
- Do not try to circumvent your bans
- The report button is for reports. Do not use it for anything else.
- Do not get account names with offensive names (i.e. Nigger Faggot Fucker or LATINO COCK CUMS IN MY VAGINA)
- If you're a bot your account will be deleted.
- Do not use giant font sizes for all of your posts. Use giant font size wisely.
- Do not claim to not care about celebrity death. Or death in general. This is rude.
- Do not call people shitheads.
- Do not ignore points mid-discussion
- Do not make the same thread several times
- Do not post with missing vowels.
- Do not use this forum as a chatroom. If you want quick direct communication with another user use MSN or AIM or some other messaging service.
- Do not post with numbers instead of letters.
- Posts in all caps might be deleted depending on several factors, such as post length, the poster/post being funny or not and the moderator that noticed the post. Staff works under the assumption that something funny "makes you laugh or chuckle a bit".
- Racism will not be tolerated unless it's funny
- Do not make threads of bullet points of suggestions enormously large where all the suggestions are really obvious stuff, you are not a developer, development doesn't work that way.
- Do not reply to threads without reading the whole posts before that one, in case you do post without reading, include a line stating the same.
- Do not post a lot of images that are unrelated to the thread. Your post will be deleted unless the images are funny. They usually are not.
- Moderators shall use context and relevance on decision of necrobumps permanence, if a thread has under five posts , it might be allowed even with few content, if it has more than five, then the necrobump will only be allowed in case the person is the original op.
- Homophobic behavior will not be tolerated unless it comes from gay people.
- Do not be an asshole, definition of asshole inclludes questioning someone sexuality, posting their face on porn pictures, reply to threads where you have no actual interest to publicize your own endeavours, post torrents, question the taste in music of the other persons, question the taste in games of the other person, questioning the superiority of the American race.
- Posts about Mortal Kombat will be ridiculed.
- Nazi symbolism should be avoided. Unless it's really funny. KKK symbolism is always allowed.
- Drug addicts should refrain from mentioning their drugs unless they brought enough for everyone.
- Do not post pictures of your penis.
- Do not post pictures of your vaginahahaha there are no girls here anyway
- Do not talk about bad anime (definition of bad anime in addendum section 42-1)
- Do not troll other users unless you use sophisticated humor, have attention to detail and use no more than thirty percent sarcasm.
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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 21, 2013, 09:48:07 pm
There is a lot of things that are assumed good behaviour on the internet, it includes spamming, using racist epithefs, using other pages to just post publicity to your page, homophobic comments, photoshopping the face of the person you are arguing with into bestiality pic and even posting porn.
You dont have to have a rule specifically telling people not to photoshop others into bestiality pics for it to be frowned upon,

you said you wre nto going to talk about jango anymore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on March 22, 2013, 02:02:23 pm
Cyanide said:
I don't think new accounts should be merged unless the person in question really really wants their username changed. Like if MBH wanted it to say MissBHaven instead. Or Rajaa wanted RajaaBoy back. Simply changing for the fuck of it, no.

There's an option to do that in the user profile, no? So why should creating a second account be considered for that purpose? It just seems redundant.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Dragon-Kid on March 22, 2013, 06:29:47 pm
How about putting the Youtube button for replies?

It seems that most users doesn't put the youtube code to post videos, unless some YouTube users restrict showing in it:
Code:
[youtube]video code[/youtube]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 22, 2013, 11:05:10 pm
When you hover you get the original name of the account, not the current one, i meant that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2013, 10:03:33 am
I can edit that if someone really wants to change it, so making a new alt account because they want to change the name is unnecessary
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on March 23, 2013, 07:04:03 pm
Please don't, some people change their name so much around here I lose track of who they are and have to hover just to make sure.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2013, 09:26:31 pm
Agreed. If people can also switch this, then there's no way to tell who's who anymore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 23, 2013, 09:53:39 pm
Speaking of which, who was that Medicine Melancholy fellow?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2013, 09:55:01 pm
Navana.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 23, 2013, 10:30:47 pm
Oh. Well whatever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 24, 2013, 06:22:45 am
remind me again, was he banned forever as in FOREVER! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLkc1huIBCo) or forever as in "i quit the mugen forever"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on March 24, 2013, 06:31:44 am
The former
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 24, 2013, 10:18:17 am
Keep like it is now, it's better (in regard to the name - username thing), I support Sean Altly point of view.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 24, 2013, 11:41:02 am
remind me again, was he banned forever as in FOREVER! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLkc1huIBCo) or forever as in "i quit the mugen forever"
He got banned FOREVER! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLkc1huIBCo), after repeatedly lying to people, getting caught and straight up denying it ( like that new infantry site thing, denying it was him even tho both profiles were halves of the same magic the gathering card ) then turning around and changing his guild profile to be all about "join my new infantry site", as a punishment his profile got blanked. After that he started attempting to provoke people to respond to him, was told not to, and when forbidden to do it created a new account to troll people with.
At that point Bhaven banned him.

http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1676284
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1677626
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 24, 2013, 11:45:23 am
It was a Yu Gi Oh card. :P
And about the merging accounts discussion, hmmm... isn't there another way to keep all of the alternate accounts post histories separated but for the same profile? Like linking a profile to the other (done by a moderator) or something like that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 24, 2013, 11:59:09 am
too much work for what is worth and supposed to be forbidden =P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Anthony JR.(Celest) on March 28, 2013, 12:54:39 am
I was banned? for some reason I couldnt get access to the forum and Iced u was banning me for Trolling not wasting people's time
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 28, 2013, 12:56:44 am
is that a way of saying "ban me again for I dont think what I did was wrong"?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Anthony JR.(Celest) on March 28, 2013, 12:59:13 am
is that a way of saying "ban me again for I dont think what I did was wrong"?

I'm not threatning u man
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 28, 2013, 01:00:09 am
u was banning me for Trolling not wasting people's time
the point of trolling is wasting people's time
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on March 28, 2013, 04:32:23 pm
Dncelestinx, just don't make that kind of things again and get a good behavior with other users, that's all. You don't want to piss off (again) Iced and the rest of the mods/admins...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 28, 2013, 05:27:16 pm
you shouldn't be concerned about pissing off staff members as you should be concerned about pissing off users that are doing nothing harmful
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on April 06, 2013, 09:09:44 pm
Just saw that Cyanide asked to no longer be a Mod. Not sure what the reason is for the abrupt departure, but I just wanted to say that I personally appreciate all that you've done for the forum and for Mugen, especially in the Development Help section. You've been here a long time, so I understand that can take its toll, as can rude or unappreciative people. I hope everything works out and that you can come back one day. Good luck, sir.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs Sese Seko Nkuku Ngben... on April 06, 2013, 09:21:28 pm
It's not as abrupt as it might seem to you, Cyande told us he had lost most interest in his mod position and the forum as a whole two weeks ago.

His wishes to spend his remaining years lurking quietly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on April 06, 2013, 09:35:14 pm
It's not as abrupt as it might seem to you, Cyande told us he had lost most interest in his mod position and the forum as a whole two weeks ago.

His wishes to spend his remaining years lurking quietly.

Hmm...

He is a good person on this forum that supplied many helpful help on character development.

His skill will be deeply missed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on April 06, 2013, 10:39:34 pm
It's not as abrupt as it might seem to you, Cyande told us he had lost most interest in his mod position and the forum as a whole two weeks ago.

His wishes to spend his remaining years lurking quietly.

he's been feeling that way for far longer.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shinigami Grey on April 06, 2013, 11:00:58 pm
This may not be important to the mods on MFG, but I just wanted to let you guys know that guy name Zeroz was also causing a problem on MFFA. Again, probably not that important to you guys but I just wanted to make you aware that his trolling extends elsewhere..
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 07, 2013, 12:54:14 am
He does it everywhere. GLB can back me up on that, as well as what I dealt with during my time as a CSX admin speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 07, 2013, 02:00:16 am
It's not as abrupt as it might seem to you, Cyande told us he had lost most interest in his mod position and the forum as a whole two weeks ago.

His wishes to spend his remaining years lurking quietly.

he's been feeling that way for far longer.

yep, I am surprised he lasted that long, being mod is suffering.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shinigami Grey on April 07, 2013, 02:24:07 am
He does it everywhere. GLB can back me up on that, as well as what I dealt with during my time as a CSX admin speaks for itself.

Do you know when he first started doing this and why?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 07, 2013, 02:56:15 am
I've seen him do it as early as 2009 but that was when there was a battle between a group of users and staff at MI. 2011 or so he really let loose on CSX. That's all I remember.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shinigami Grey on April 07, 2013, 03:01:14 am
I've seen him do it as early as 2009 but that was when there was a battle between a group of users and staff at MI. 2011 or so he really let loose on CSX. That's all I remember.

Wow, that's sad. I can't believe people are that devoted to spreading hatred.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on April 08, 2013, 06:23:22 am
Zeroz said:
Quote
o let me get this straight, I'm gonna get perma banned for making fun of something Sean said? I haven't had an altercation with him since I got banned so I dunno what in the hell is so wrong to make a joke out of something about Wrestling, because he's not the only person who's told me the exact same thing about calling wrestlers by their real names

I wanted to address this since I saw it in the Warnings thread. If he admits that I'm not the first person to point this out to him, why did he feel the need to not only "piss on my thread" (his words) but accuse me of using "any chance" to bring up that I used to be a wrestler? If more than one person has said this to him, why call me out personally, derail my thread, attack me and accuse of me of attention whoring? If I wasn't the first person to say this, shouldn't he assume that the notion does have some merit and that I'm not bringing it up just to bring it up?

He also seems to lean on the fact that his new profile "offended no one" and that no one complained. Well, in the original altercation, the person I was addressing didn't argue at all, apologized, and edited his previous comment. Yet Zeroz felt the need to jump in and fuck up my thread way after the fact. Seems pretty hypocritical to me. Dude is a troll, his new profile was trolling me, and he's not going to convince me it wasn't. If he didn't "care" about me, he wouldn't still be bitter about the whole thing. He wouldn't feel the need to alter his entire profile because of it. He wouldn't refer to me as "almighty god Seanalty" if he didn't care.

When I saw his new profile, I put him on Ignore. I didn't call him out on it publicly, I didn't PM him or derail any threads. I talked to a GMod about it because I felt like it was meant to provoke me. I handled this in the best way I possibly could outside of flat-out ignoring it, which is hard to do when 90% of his post history is in a thread that I'm fairly active in.

Whatever you guys decide to do, I respect it. I'm just letting you know how I feel about it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on April 08, 2013, 08:25:12 am
He seems to have an obsession with you, Sean. He can't live without trying to offend you in any way.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on April 08, 2013, 03:24:34 pm
He seems to have an obsession with you, Sean. He can't live without trying to offend you in any way.

Just remember that if he ever sends a hitman halfway across the country or some stupid shit, nothing will change the fact that he still idolizes that SeanAltly face tattooed on his leg.

And yeah, that was a reference to that foiled Justin Beiber murder plot a few months back.

Anyway, I just saw Zeroz's altercation with a few people on MFFA. I didnt see what originally happened in the chat, but I'll just leave this here:

Quote
Zeroz
Glisp prays death upon me and threatened violence, gets' sympathy, I retaliate and I get banned from the chat, got these mods are fucken stupid.
  Apr 05 2013 05:20 PM · Unlock · Lock · Approve

ClassicSuperSonic
You do know most of those things were said out of anger. I honestly hate your guts zeroz. Technically, you provoked most of the crap I said.
Apr 05 2013 07:36 PM

 Zeroz
Actually, You started making death threats to me around the time me and dissidia were feuding..something you should have never tried getting involved with in the first place.
Apr 05 2013 07:39 PM

ClassicSuperSonic
Well just fucking drop it Zeroz. There's a reason I used to defend Diss. I thought he was my fucking friend but even that was false. So you know what, the fact you're continuing the bullshit is a moot point. I just fucking want to move on and forget about it but that won't work because you have to bring it up every five fucking minutes. There's a reason I hate you Zeroz and it's because you don't know when enough is enough. I've had it with your smug attitude and d...
Apr 05 2013 07:45 PM

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Zeroz
Poor Glisp, no matter how much shit you talk, I still win.
  Apr 03 2013 08:05 PM · Unlock · Lock · Approve

From what I can tell, it was something insignificant yet he refuses to drop it. Yeah, he's not changing. Here or on MFFA.


Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 0s on April 08, 2013, 09:36:28 pm
In MFFA, eh, I asked for it, dude making death threats to me for something that happened years ago, and I wasn't the only one taking jabs at him during that altercation, I suggest to whomever mentioned this to put the rest of the story that you seemingly forgot to mention.

Gill also forgot that I already fixed my problems with CSX and even Syn, you can ask if you want.

GLB can also verify that I don't "troll" most of the time, as I was usually helping him and his team with the Newage Forum.

Spreading hatred, oh you kids these days.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GLB on April 08, 2013, 10:58:31 pm
This may not be important to the mods on MFG, but I just wanted to let you guys know that guy name Zeroz was also causing a problem on MFFA. Again, probably not that important to you guys but I just wanted to make you aware that his trolling extends elsewhere..

Why is MFFA relevant to MFG? Nobody cares what happens there that attends here. Sure it could help with the "trolling" not being an exclusive thing here, but other than that it's not even worth mentioning publicly because nobody cares.

He does it everywhere. GLB can back me up on that, as well as what I dealt with during my time as a CSX admin speaks for itself.

I'd prefer not to be a party to the situation, as I am neutral.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GDM on April 08, 2013, 11:04:23 pm
so let me get this straight you guys bring a problem here from MFFA to MFG thinking they going to pity you for what zeroz did man to me it sounds like you just want nothing but attention grow up and learn how to ignore petty crap such as these
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Dissidia on April 08, 2013, 11:10:50 pm
Why is MFFA relevant to MFG? Nobody cares what happens there that attends here. Sure it could help with the "trolling" not being an exclusive thing here, but other than that it's not even worth mentioning publicly because nobody cares.
This. What occurred with MFFA should handle their situation on their own, not pile up the mess on here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ryon on April 08, 2013, 11:14:01 pm
Why is MFFA relevant to MFG? Nobody cares what happens there that attends here. Sure it could help with the "trolling" not being an exclusive thing here, but other than that it's not even worth mentioning publicly because nobody cares.
This. What occurred with MFFA should handle their situation on their own, not pile up the mess on here.

This. What ever happens there stays there, I dont know why its here.
in anycase these guys have been arguing with each other for a long time, so if i may intervene, both of you shut the hell up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 0s on April 08, 2013, 11:15:01 pm
Pay me 500 bucks and I will say sorry.

But in all honesty, I would of hoped how the staff was handling my bans would stay in the staff discussion instead of being in here. You see what you did?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on April 08, 2013, 11:22:58 pm
This thread is just to get an opinion of what happens in Staff subforum, they only decide there and here it's just a cortesy thread where normal users can express about their decisions. If they don't want to share what decide about your case, any of us can't do anything about that, so just deal with it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 0s on April 08, 2013, 11:38:59 pm
My problem with MFFA had nothing to do with this forum. and nobody cared about me being banned until that fool decided to mention something I did..SOMEWHERE ELSE.

Your post is now irrelevant as Wanderer's.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on April 08, 2013, 11:44:08 pm
Nope, you're wrong. I wasn't talking about MFFA stuff, I don't post there and I don't know a shit about your past there, so it's irrelevant to me too. I was answering you to this especifically:
But in all honesty, I would of hoped how the staff was handling my bans would stay in the staff discussion instead of being in here. You see what you did?
The staff subforum can be seen for anyone with account here (or at least for the ones with one special star, like contribuitors). Like this thread, this is a transparency decision of Guild staff to all of us. You can be banned for the actual drama you made against Sean, it's nothing about your past on MFFA
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on April 08, 2013, 11:54:02 pm
Staff is visible to everyone, as I don't have a star and can see it just fine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on April 09, 2013, 12:03:18 am
Hi Guys

I want to be GMod again. I don't want to be "part of the staff" per se, as the socio-political arguments going on in the staff section have very little relevance to the sections I read, but I'd still like to provide some feedback to some of the comments that happen in the Staff Section.

Moreover, my main goal being a GMod, is the position of Senior Janitorship of being able to move, edit posts, titles, quoted images and so on that bother me so much, and I used to do when I had the position, and I resent not having anymore. I know you already have a semi-mexican GMod in Cyan Paul, but I offer you 100% the real deal, and I won't abuse my power or ban absolutely anyone.

What do you guys say?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: nick. on April 09, 2013, 12:05:10 am
That MFFA thing seems like it was brought up to show your behavior elsewhere, it does seem hateful but that's what I get from it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GDM on April 09, 2013, 12:12:50 am
one does simply not ask to be a gmod
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 09, 2013, 12:32:02 am
walt's going to delete my posts don't make him gmod
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on April 09, 2013, 12:34:44 am
Hi Guys

I want to be GMod again. I don't want to be "part of the staff" per se, as the socio-political arguments going on in the staff section have very little relevance to the sections I read, but I'd still like to provide some feedback to some of the comments that happen in the Staff Section.

Moreover, my main goal being a GMod, is the position of Senior Janitorship of being able to move, edit posts, titles, quoted images and so on that bother me so much, and I used to do when I had the position, and I resent not having anymore. I know you already have a semi-mexican GMod in Cyan Paul, but I offer you 100% the real deal, and I won't abuse my power or ban absolutely anyone.

What do you guys say?

Let me log into my Caddie account and I'll set you up!

:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on April 09, 2013, 12:54:06 am
Let me log into my Caddie account and I'll set you up!

(http://caddie.smeenet.org/cadbow.gif)
I completely and fully deny that MissBHaven is an alternate account of mine. I do want to address something though:

ME!! 

http://caddie.smeenet.org/missb.gif (http://caddie.smeenet.org/missb.gif)

There, finally what you've all been waiting for.  Now I'm no longer banned from this thread I can comment on how nice everyone looks. 

:bow:

I wonder why that image is hosted on my site...hmm...

Anyway, Walt, it's worth a discussion over. I'll see what we can do for you. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 09, 2013, 01:57:39 am
one does simply not ask to be a gmod

Walt's a former mod, I don't see the problem with it. :ninja:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ExShadow on April 09, 2013, 02:28:19 am
walt's going to lock my threads don't make him gmod
fixed
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shinigami Grey on April 09, 2013, 02:52:38 am
This may not be important to the mods on MFG, but I just wanted to let you guys know that guy name Zeroz was also causing a problem on MFFA. Again, probably not that important to you guys but I just wanted to make you aware that his trolling extends elsewhere..

Why is MFFA relevant to MFG? Nobody cares what happens there that attends here. Sure it could help with the "trolling" not being an exclusive thing here, but other than that it's not even worth mentioning publicly because nobody cares.

Well, that's kind of why that first sentence is there. And if you don't care about the situation, you even quoting me is even less relevant, so is your appearance in this thread other then Gill bringing you up. I'm allowed to make a statement or state my opinion whether you think it's relevant to ANYTHING or not.



My problem with MFFA had nothing to do with this forum. and nobody cared about me being banned until that fool decided to mention something I did..SOMEWHERE ELSE.

Your post is now irrelevant as Wanderer's.

This "fool" was just pointing out that fact you're just a troublemaker. Nice to see insults aren't below you, by the way. Anyway, I think this guy has the right idea

That MFFA thing seems like it was brought up to show your behavior elsewhere, it does seem hateful but that's what I get from it.

and by the way
My problem with MFFA had nothing to do with this forum

I kind of find this untrue. I mean, I honestly kinda find it hard to believe you getting banned from an argument on one forum, and then the next day there's drama started from you on MFG isn't even remotely related, even in the slightest way. You may not start everything, but that doesn't mean you can't end what somebody else started with you. If you get in an argument, is it that hard to walk away? no, it's not. You just want to keep arguing. So like you said,

In MFFA, eh, I asked for it,

and you asked for it everywhere else trouble has brewed around you.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GLB on April 09, 2013, 03:05:14 am
Well, that's kind of why that first sentence is there. And if you don't care about the situation, you even quoting me is even less relevant, so is your appearance in this thread other then Gill bringing you up. I'm allowed to make a statement or state my opinion whether you think it's relevant to ANYTHING or not.

I was stating my opinion on the subject as this section is dedicated to (people explaining their opinion on certain warning topics.) My opinion still stands, and you don't have to get defensive over it. I only say it's not relevant because it involves a completely different forum that has nothing to do with Mugen Guild. Zeroz has already been a problem on Mugen Guild and what happens at your forum shouldn't influence the staff's decision one iota. Regardless of whatever happens with it, you should read the last sentence in your post, and realize that everyone else is allowed to do the same.

I kind of find this untrue. I mean, I honestly kinda find it hard to believe you getting banned from an argument on one forum, and then the next day there's drama started from you on MFG isn't even remotely related, even in the slightest way. You may not start everything, but that doesn't mean you can't end what somebody else started with you. If you get in an argument, is it that hard to walk away? no, it's not. You just want to keep arguing. So like you said,

How does that prove it has anything to do with this forum? O_o And you obviously didn't read any of the prior arguments taking place on MFG. it had nothing to do with MFFA, you just think it did.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on April 09, 2013, 03:06:43 am
I have to agree MFFA's issues with him are totally different than the ones here period. keep mffa drama on mffa and not guild k? Decade stop trying to start shit i know that might be hard for you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shinigami Grey on April 09, 2013, 03:39:02 am
I have to agree MFFA's issues with him are totally different than the ones here period. keep mffa drama on mffa and not guild k? Decade Stop trying to start shit you do it all the damn time even on mffa.

I don't know you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 0s on April 09, 2013, 03:41:52 am
I don't know you.

Do us all a favor and stop bringing shit up from somewhere else, you're just instigating.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shinigami Grey on April 09, 2013, 03:47:45 am
I don't know you.

Do us all a favor and stop bringing shit up from somewhere else, you're just instigating.


Why don't you do me a solid and stop being an asshole first, then we talk. For now, until you grow a pair and stop acting like a child, I'm not doing anything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 0s on April 09, 2013, 03:51:39 am
I don't know you.

Do us all a favor and stop bringing shit up from somewhere else, you're just instigating.


Why don't you do me a solid and stop being an asshole first, then we talk. For now, until you grow a pair and stop acting like a child, I'm not doing anything.
So you are still going to continue to bring unrelated shit into this forum? who's the child here?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ryon on April 09, 2013, 03:56:16 am
So you are still going to continue to bring unrelated shit into this forum? who's the child here?

Personally I think you both are.
Both of you should just leave it be, ignore each other and stop with the nonsense stuff.

your better off going into a parking lot and duking it out. mano e mano.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 0s on April 09, 2013, 03:58:57 am
That's a shame, I'm not taking jabs at him, I just told him to stop,  Nobody asked him about anything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 09, 2013, 04:09:09 am
guys get your own forum already!

.... OH WAIT!

great job stealing walt's thunder. I BELIEVE IN WALTER FAST!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on April 09, 2013, 04:09:39 am
EDIT: I can't read.

Walt for president!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on April 09, 2013, 08:29:21 am
This is super silly. Zeroz, you were a jerk and you know it. 'Fess up to your wrongs and move on. Nobody needs to to convince you that you are a troublemaker, because you know you are. Stop it or get banned forever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TRUEMicah on April 09, 2013, 08:33:03 am
Hi Guys

I want to be GMod again.
Walt's a former mod, I don't see the problem with it. :ninja:
A damned good one too.  Hopefully he becomes a mod again. :yes:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 09, 2013, 03:32:30 pm
This is super silly. Zeroz, you were a jerk and you know it. 'Fess up to your wrongs and move on. Nobody needs to to convince you that you are a troublemaker, because you know you are. Stop it or get banned forever.

I cant believe someone is actually trying to prove they are not a jerk by being extremely offended at people pointing out how much of a jerk they are off site.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on April 09, 2013, 03:48:22 pm
walt's going to delete my posts don't make him gmod
Actually at some point soon-ish I planned to propose you back into staff too. Guild kinda needs your nazi iron fist IMO

Walt's a former mod, I don't see the problem with it. :ninja:
And AFAIK I left in amicable terms (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/staff-positions-68116.80.html)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on April 12, 2013, 03:38:42 pm
So, after a 5 day, dead silence both here and in the Public Staff section, as well as Iced maneuvering around my post in this very thread, I assume the final answer is a no?

Not that it would surprise me, but I'm amazed about either the utter ignorance OR secrecy about the matter at hand (not even really an issue, now is it?)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 12, 2013, 03:42:25 pm
With the way you conduct yourself I assumed you had to be joking.  There was some discussion about new staff, we rather have actual new people if we ever need some. We arent even sure we need some right now.

edit: and as you know, people asking to be staff and being accepted arent really that common.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on April 12, 2013, 03:46:55 pm
What exactly about a direct question made you feel I was joking?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 12, 2013, 03:50:59 pm
You basically said you wanted to be staff because someone didnt change a thread title fast enough for your taste, and considering both your behaviour arguing with people and that you know people that ask to be staffed usually arent. it looked like a joke.

Also, considering said behaviour you will now spend weeks hating me forever for having replied with a negative answer.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on April 12, 2013, 03:53:31 pm
Seeing two positive or vaguely positive answers from Caddie and TDS, and knowing our history (let's not fool ourselves here) I'm assuming the main driving force for the "No" is probably you ... and it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

I asked though, I was prepared for a no. Thanks anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 12, 2013, 03:59:28 pm
Hardly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on April 12, 2013, 04:22:12 pm
What exactly about a direct question made you feel I was joking?

I thought you were joking too or I never would have made the comment about logging into my Caddie account.  Now that I've read your post over a few more times, I guess it could be taken either way.

It's true it was discussed and decided no new staff was needed at this time and if/when the need came up, it should be someone new.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on April 12, 2013, 04:30:31 pm
utter ignorance
This is the funniest thing posted in this thread yet. You're not entitled to be a staff member, only Titiln is because he's part of the Super Elite and the Illuminati.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 13, 2013, 01:11:17 am
Actually at some point soon-ish I planned to propose you back into staff too. Guild kinda needs your nazi iron fist IMO
thanks, i appreciate it coming from you. however i said i would not hold majestic staff power here ever again and i plan on sticking to my word

on the other hand, the way discussions about bans are dragging out so much in the staff forum is bad. the fact that this guy (http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/area.showposts;u=81754)'s ban had to be discussed at length (even though users under 13 are not allowed and this has been known for years), or that dragon-kid is still shitposting. well, they're not good facts. the forum needs someone to take the iron nazi asshole fist role. someone else do it. thanks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs Sese Seko Nkuku Ngben... on April 13, 2013, 01:42:30 am
I feel the 3 day system slows us down badly. Most of the things that would've been accepted with a silent nod now require for general approvation, which can take days.

I know Iced feels the same way, but Caddie, MissB and JMorphman think it's a gold standard.

     Posted: April 13, 2013, 01:48:04 am
Also

Goddammit people, don't leave MOVED threads up. They're a wate of space.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on April 13, 2013, 01:51:23 am
Goddammit people, don't leave MOVED threads up. They're a wate of space.
I'm getting better about that; it's annoying to have to uncheck that box every time I don't want to leave a redirection topic there. Somebody nag Valodim about that box, have him make it unchecked by default.
[avatar]http://i.imgur.com/SDjWcpG.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on April 13, 2013, 03:36:07 am
oh fuck I deleted Rajaa's post fuck fuck fuck stupid fucking phone

Sorry rajaa :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on April 13, 2013, 03:53:19 am
I never had any qualms with longer initial ban times, i simply thought there should be some structure to how long you ban people for.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 13, 2013, 03:54:24 am
The 3 day ban can work when there's clearly a problem going on that needs to be cut down fast, but the mod doing the banning doesn't know what to do with it and requires advice. On cases that feel obvious enough to the mod, there's no reason for a "wait for everyone to chime in" buffer ban. And anyway, even then there's no reason someone who disagrees couldn't bring it up to discuss it still, and bring new information for a possible change in the ban.
It should be here to help and still react fast enough, not to hinder. If the opposite happens, get rid of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 13, 2013, 05:32:58 am
Outlier cases like Zeroz's don't mean we should drop the system. It just needs a few tweaks. Like, if nobody talks about a 3 day ban-ee then whoever banned the guy should decide what to do, since nobody cares either way. For split cases the same thing could work, or maybe an admin could decide. I'm just spitballing here but I think these are minor issues that can easily be remedied.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Travers on April 13, 2013, 06:46:26 am
I think there's A LOT of discussion about 3-day bans for certain people, it should be shorter and more focused on guys who're trolling, making drama or bothering other users. I don't mean it wasn't done, but sometimes it takes a lot of time, like months, especially with problematic users
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on April 13, 2013, 10:47:57 am
Outlier cases like Zeroz's don't mean we should drop the system. It just needs a few tweaks. Like, if nobody talks about a 3 day ban-ee then whoever banned the guy should decide what to do, since nobody cares either way. For split cases the same thing could work, or maybe an admin could decide. I'm just spitballing here but I think these are minor issues that can easily be remedied.

Yeah, what he said.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on April 13, 2013, 10:52:15 am
the forum needs someone to take the iron nazi asshole fist role. someone else do it. thanks.

i would do it..but that would be too cliché  :dunce2:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cazaki on April 13, 2013, 02:38:27 pm
From what I can gather is that the 3 day ban isn't the problem as much as the bans that follow it. I feel like the member that was initially banned was never a normal, functional member of the forum from the first place and show no signs of getting their act together the second time you should just skip ahead to 1 month+ bans. I don't follow the thread that much, however.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 13, 2013, 03:49:09 pm
Outlier cases like Zeroz's don't mean we should drop the system.
The 3 day ban can work when there's clearly a problem going on that needs to be cut down fast, but the mod doing the banning doesn't know what to do with it and requires advice.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 14, 2013, 12:09:25 am
someone already posted this in the warnings thread, apply the 3 day ban instantly, the one applying the ban should suggest what will teh real ban be like, if nobody objects ban him for the amount of time the one who applied the ban suggested.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on April 15, 2013, 09:39:10 pm
Don't full ban Helder Santos, please, maybe his/her intentions are good ones.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on April 15, 2013, 09:42:00 pm
A full ban only means he won't be able to log in and report posts any more. It doesn't mean a permanent ban or anything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Palette Jesus on April 16, 2013, 08:59:19 am
We're not going to not ban someone just because you asked nicely. Come back when one of us is being a tyrant. And no, that tyrant part isn't a joke, so don't make an Iced joke.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on April 20, 2013, 09:00:37 pm
Since I can't quote it directly...

Re; Jmorphman's post in Decisions v2 about fixing little things after the April Fool's joke, additionally, the 'found releases' and 'edits and add-ons' links for Winmugen on the front page are no longer on the same line.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 21, 2013, 01:25:10 am
Your Releases, Mugen 1.0 +
Found releases 1.0+
Edits and Addons 1.0+

Your releases, older Mugen
Found Releases
Edits & Add-ons

lots of inconsistency in the typing of these

also FullGame development looks weird
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on April 21, 2013, 05:52:25 pm
I think there should be an option for local moderators to be able to solve reported posts from their board (like a request board moderator solving reports from the request section). I keep finding reports of multiple request topics and I can't solve the reports so a GMod has to do it.
[avatar]http://i.imgur.com/TXd1Qjh.png?1[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on April 21, 2013, 06:11:16 pm
I keep finding reports of multiple request topics

:)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 21, 2013, 10:56:18 pm
Believe me, there is nothing prideful about mass reporting. In fact I'm ashamed that I used to do it.

Don't end up like me. :sadgoi:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: danielaeshell on April 25, 2013, 02:40:49 pm
I have never seen a GOOD restaurant/office/whatever the fuck use comic sans, and I live in fucking INDIA. a third world country.


also you used church in the same sentence with intelligence :smug: :smug:

you live in india? india is the most horrible country,i heard people there are all racists and all that
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on April 25, 2013, 03:04:50 pm
Why do you quote something that is 9 months old?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 25, 2013, 06:20:14 pm
Plus that sounds incredibly racist yourself. :no:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on April 25, 2013, 06:24:22 pm
itd be great if the site tabs displayed the topic titles again
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 25, 2013, 07:29:08 pm
you live in india? india is the most horrible country,i heard people there are all racists and all that
Don't quote 9 month old posts for no real reason. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 25, 2013, 10:27:04 pm
itd be great if the site tabs displayed the topic titles again
quoted for emphasis
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 25, 2013, 10:40:21 pm
The page title is back to "The Mugen Fighters Guild - [Topic title]" in full, wasn't it shortened to "MFG - [Whatever]" at some point ? And it came back after the April's Fool was reverted ? It's a bit of a pain when all your tabs start with a long prefix and you can't tell them apart at a glance.
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1751634 said:
someone needs to fix this, so get off your lazy butts, admins >:[
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1751673 said:
Quote
These settings cannot be changed because settings is read only.
Val will have to do it.
But Val has come and gone once in the meantime, and apparently he didn't notice because no one notified him I suppose.

@Valodim: tag, you're it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 25, 2013, 10:54:43 pm
i left him a message about it, lets see if he notices.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 26, 2013, 12:13:21 am
I did that during the software change because I didn't think it through, and I reverted it recently because it's a bad idea. The reason is simple: the <title> tag of a website is the most significant piece of data web crawlers use to index sites, having a nondescript acronym like "MFG" as page title noticably reduces search engine visiblity and is a SEO no-go.

I might be able to do something about this with some js, but don't get your hopes up. also, I don't really follow this thread, so it's not a very good place to report this kind of thing[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/hugsno.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on April 26, 2013, 12:16:39 am
Is it really that important for Guild to be that accessible to web crawlers at the expense of it's users' accessibility? If MFG was a small site I might see that logic. But I don't see it being an issue with how huge it is and that it's still going to be listed on the 1st page of search engines.

Nevermind. Seems you fixed it :p
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 26, 2013, 12:25:47 am
Is it really that important for Guild to be that accessible to web crawlers

Yes. Absolutely.

I added a js thing now, I hope it's an acceptable compromise.[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/magic.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 26, 2013, 12:26:56 am
Looks great to me, thanks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on April 26, 2013, 01:57:33 am
About RMH: just ban the guy. He's not listening at all and needs to be silenced.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 26, 2013, 03:55:17 am
I don't really follow this thread, so it's not a very good place to report this kind of thing
our bad, we should have brought this issue to twilight's library (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/valodims-thread-103273.0.html) (then again you were missing lately). are you still having problems getting used to your new pair of wings?

thanks for teh hard work as usual
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on April 26, 2013, 04:13:10 am
Is it really that important for Guild to be that accessible to web crawlers

Yes. Absolutely.

I added a js thing now, I hope it's an acceptable compromise.

thanksies
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 26, 2013, 02:22:17 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1754618 said:
theres something about the shitthread that makes idiots want to take a crack at pushing their luck. cant put a finger on why
RMH didn't do that because it was the shit thread, he was only continuing something that was started in (and split from) another topic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on April 26, 2013, 10:00:01 pm
Indeed. If I recall correctly, the split came from the Feminist thread in Gaming.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on April 26, 2013, 10:01:15 pm
Yes, Feminist study of games, where she gained money etc. ... and then the argument started (mostly by RMH).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on April 26, 2013, 10:20:57 pm
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He's delusional.  Like, I'm legitimately questioning his mental state.  He's fabricated some sort of reality for himself wherein he's some unparalleled intellectual conducting social experiments by "pretending" to start arguments and watching everyone else react.  And anything anyone tells him to the contrary only serves to strengthen his delusion.  To put it less politely:  Dude's head is crammed so far up his ass he's gargling his own tonsils.

I'd say the best course of action would be to ignore him and let this particular instance wither and die with a warning, and the next time he decides to start another "case study" we drop the banhammer on him.

Funny, his flame war with me a few months ago was because I said the same thing...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on April 26, 2013, 10:22:32 pm
And I really hope we can do what the quote says and ignore this whole event. Let's not bring it again, please.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -VOID- on May 04, 2013, 03:46:08 pm
geting maleware on cenobite's 8 stages release in old mugen releases... 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 20, 2013, 01:24:39 pm
MBH, if a guy gets banned 3 times for the same thing but is let go every time with a slap on the wrist (even though you know it keeps escalating), you know he's going to do the same thing again. And if he's going to do the same thing again, you DO take his past history into account. It's what you guys do when you say "we give him a short ban this time, and if he does it again we increase it and double it each time". It's exactly taking his past history into account, so you saying what you just said in the warning thread about Zeroz is pretty much denying and going against everything else you've done so far. And no, he hasn't "already paid for his past crime".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on May 20, 2013, 02:59:21 pm
I also think the only time we should be taking a persons past post history and bans into consideration is when deciding the length of a current ban or punishment.  If someone has been banned before, they paid for the crime so to speak.  Making them pay again by saying it's ok for others to break the rules and insult them isnt fair.

What this means is if I am banned for derailing your threads and insulting you and I serve my ban, that does not give you free rein to break the rules at a later date and use the reasoning that I derailed your threads and insulted you in the past.  Yes I did, but I was punished for that once.  Staff should use my posting and ban history to decide how long to ban me for now.  But it is not fair if they use the reasoning "it's ok for DKDC to break the rules and insult MBH over and over because after all she was banned in the past for insulting him and derailing his threads."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 20, 2013, 04:19:20 pm
You're getting it all wrong. You're acting like Zeroz came back and stayed out of trouble and is still getting insulted and punished for something he did in the past. You know he didn't stay out of trouble, and he's getting punished for something he did right now.
You did something, you got banned for it, and then you come back and do the same, this is the situation that's going on here. This isn't "he did something bad in the past, got punished, came back, now a while later he's doing another thing that's also bad or he's getting insulted for something that's in the past". No, it's "he did something bad, got banned, came back and DID IT AGAIN, and he's getting insulted for that". There is exactly a need to look into his post history, to know that it's the same thing and he's not learning.
When Zeroz was going after Sean the last three times, he got banned for a short time and it was like "let's just hope he doesn't do that again, if he does he gets banned some more". Guess what, he did do it again.
When you're letting Zeroz come within 20 feet of Sean, you already know what's going to happen, you know how bad it was the last few times (it wasn't just random insults, Zeroz literally stalked him and mocked him in his profile and everything). You know this guy is going to provoke that guy one way or another, and that guy will react badly to it. And when it does actually happen, that makes it your fault, because you knew it, you could have prevented it, and you did nothing.

Sean didn't come after Zeroz, and you're acting like he did. Sure he overreacted (and even then that's debatable because everyone knows where Zeroz was going ANYWAY), and he needs to learn to keep his calm because he too should know what's going to happen. But you can't say "he should know better", because, hell, YOU should know better. To begin with, the only reason Sean got mad is that you guys let Zeroz come back and stalk Sean some more. You say "just report it" but why would he do that if you keep letting Zeroz go ? That just makes it your fault.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on May 20, 2013, 04:30:00 pm
Nevermind, misread one of Sean's posts. Still for permabanning Zeroz.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on May 20, 2013, 04:44:36 pm
Sean didn't come after Zeroz, and you're acting like he did. Sure he overreacted (and even then that's debatable because everyone knows where Zeroz was going ANYWAY), and he needs to learn to keep his calm because he too should know what's going to happen. But you can't say "he should know better", because, hell, YOU should know better. To begin with, the only reason Sean got mad is that you guys let Zeroz come back and stalk Sean some more. You say "just report it" but why would he do that if you keep letting Zeroz go ? That just makes it your fault.
there is also he posibility of sean reporting and mbh just going "oh, so if you are calm enough to report/ignore it I guess I don't need to take action".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 20, 2013, 05:11:30 pm
i was gonna say something on the subject but it was pretty much
You're getting it all wrong. You're acting like Zeroz came back and stayed out of trouble and is still getting insulted and punished for something he did in the past. You know he didn't stay out of trouble, and he's getting punished for something he did right now.
You did something, you got banned for it, and then you come back and do the same, this is the situation that's going on here. This isn't "he did something bad in the past, got punished, came back, now a while later he's doing another thing that's also bad or he's getting insulted for something that's in the past". No, it's "he did something bad, got banned, came back and DID IT AGAIN, and he's getting insulted for that". There is exactly a need to look into his post history, to know that it's the same thing and he's not learning.
When Zeroz was going after Sean the last three times, he got banned for a short time and it was like "let's just hope he doesn't do that again, if he does he gets banned some more". Guess what, he did do it again.
When you're letting Zeroz come within 20 feet of Sean, you already know what's going to happen, you know how bad it was the last few times (it wasn't just random insults, Zeroz literally stalked him and mocked him in his profile and everything). You know this guy is going to provoke that guy one way or another, and that guy will react badly to it. And when it does actually happen, that makes it your fault, because you knew it, you could have prevented it, and you did nothing.

Sean didn't come after Zeroz, and you're acting like he did. Sure he overreacted (and even then that's debatable because everyone knows where Zeroz was going ANYWAY), and he needs to learn to keep his calm because he too should know what's going to happen. But you can't say "he should know better", because, hell, YOU should know better. To begin with, the only reason Sean got mad is that you guys let Zeroz come back and stalk Sean some more. You say "just report it" but why would he do that if you keep letting Zeroz go ? That just makes it your fault.
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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on May 20, 2013, 07:35:04 pm

Sean didn't come after Zeroz, and you're acting like he did. Sure he overreacted (and even then that's debatable because everyone knows where Zeroz was going ANYWAY), and he needs to learn to keep his calm because he too should know what's going to happen. But you can't say "he should know better", because, hell, YOU should know better. To begin with, the only reason Sean got mad is that you guys let Zeroz come back and stalk Sean some more. You say "just report it" but why would he do that if you keep letting Zeroz go ? That just makes it your fault.

I Haven't said "he should know better"  that was Rajaa.  Nor have I suggested Zeroz get a slap on the wrist (3 day ban) that was jmorph.   I'm suggesting Sean get a verbal warning, others are calling for him to get banned.  Caddie was the one analyzing  the posts (at  Sean's request) that showed Sean losing his cool and so on.  Maybe you better take all that up with them.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 20, 2013, 07:45:04 pm
I was responding to your comment that Zeroz's post history shouldn't be looked into when deciding whether Sean had a right to lash out and insult him. You said that because you acted like Sean came after Zeroz out of nowhere. I'm explaining that there was a reason he did that, everyone saw his reaction coming and everyone knew what direction Zeroz was heading to. I'm also including your earlier attitude that Sean should have just reported Zeroz. The whole of my post was a summary of the entire situation, and yes, it included things that you yourself didn't say, but that were just as important. Don't go and deflect those parts like "oh I'm not the one who said this bit and that bit" because it's not the point.
The point is that the handling of this whole thing was terrible, that it started with you and then Caddie, that it's just plain stupid that you guys are even considering punishing Sean for this crap, and that you yourself have almost been actively protecting Zeroz, acting like he didn't do shit and he didn't deserve to be yelled at because we shouldn't look into his post history and it shouldn't excuse Sean's behavior. And quite frankly that's just fucking terrible.
Should Sean watch his temper, yes. Do we know that's not happening, yes. Do we know Zeroz shouldn't have been allowed there in the first place because we already knew what he was going to do, hell yes.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on May 20, 2013, 07:51:04 pm
maybe shes putting personal feelings into this she did after all KNOW zeroz from infantry? if thats the case that is in no way shape or form something a mod should do.

idk for sure if she is or not just putting that out there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on May 20, 2013, 08:08:21 pm
maybe shes putting personal feelings into this she did after all KNOW zeroz from infantry? if thats the case that is in no way shape or form something a mod should do.

idk for sure if she is or not just putting that out there.


 I am putting personal feelings into this.  I think he's a detestable wannabe troll that I've had major issues with elsewhere.  If it were any other two people, I'd probably say what one got as ban, they should both get.  I sure wouldnt be "voting" for a 3 month ban and may change my vote to 6.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on May 20, 2013, 08:32:55 pm
You're getting it all wrong. You're acting like Zeroz came back and stayed out of trouble and is still getting insulted and punished for something he did in the past. You know he didn't stay out of trouble, and he's getting punished for something he did right now.
You did something, you got banned for it, and then you come back and do the same, this is the situation that's going on here. This isn't "he did something bad in the past, got punished, came back, now a while later he's doing another thing that's also bad or he's getting insulted for something that's in the past". No, it's "he did something bad, got banned, came back and DID IT AGAIN, and he's getting insulted for that". There is exactly a need to look into his post history, to know that it's the same thing and he's not learning.
When Zeroz was going after Sean the last three times, he got banned for a short time and it was like "let's just hope he doesn't do that again, if he does he gets banned some more". Guess what, he did do it again.
When you're letting Zeroz come within 20 feet of Sean, you already know what's going to happen, you know how bad it was the last few times (it wasn't just random insults, Zeroz literally stalked him and mocked him in his profile and everything). You know this guy is going to provoke that guy one way or another, and that guy will react badly to it. And when it does actually happen, that makes it your fault, because you knew it, you could have prevented it, and you did nothing.

Sean didn't come after Zeroz, and you're acting like he did. Sure he overreacted (and even then that's debatable because everyone knows where Zeroz was going ANYWAY), and he needs to learn to keep his calm because he too should know what's going to happen. But you can't say "he should know better", because, hell, YOU should know better. To begin with, the only reason Sean got mad is that you guys let Zeroz come back and stalk Sean some more. You say "just report it" but why would he do that if you keep letting Zeroz go ? That just makes it your fault.

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that it's just plain stupid that you guys are even considering punishing Sean for this crap, and that you yourself have almost been actively protecting Zeroz

But Zeroz was staying out of trouble. And Sean did come after Zeroz. Sean started insulting Zeroz because Zeroz said negative things about John Cena, which Sean took as a personal offense. You are completely wrong about the order of events and what happened. :-\ It took Sean calling Zeroz an asshole and a dickhead before Zeroz made a personal attack on Sean back. And that was after a huge list of other personal attacks that Sean was throwing at Zeroz.

http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1767009 (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1767009)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 20, 2013, 08:55:52 pm
I saw your summary and I already know you're missing the point.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on May 20, 2013, 08:56:54 pm
But what you're saying happened didn't happen the way you said it happened...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 20, 2013, 09:03:01 pm
Except maybe the part where everyone knew where Zeroz was headed no matter what and we all knew from past events that why the hell are you even letting Zeroz get within 20 feet of Sean and why is he still around at all and if you haven't done anything up to now why would you expect Sean to bother with the report section and in what magical land did you just expect Sean to keep calm after everything that's happened. I read your summary, did you read mine at all ? What part of my post didn't happen ? The part where Zeroz did the same thing 3 times and was let go with a slap on the wrist ? The part where everyone knew what he was looking for anyway ? The part where everyone knew Sean would blow up like that anyway ? The part where you wouldn't have done anything anyway ? The part where everyone knew it and no one bothered to do anything before it ? The part where you're blaming Sean for something you knew would happen and did nothing ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on May 20, 2013, 09:09:06 pm
He didn't "head there" though. What you're saying is basically "Zeroz should know better than to say negative things about John Cena because he knows that really ticks SeanAltly off". That's crazy. Once again, Zeroz was not saying anything negative to SeanAltly. He was not addressing SeanAltly at all. He was making posts about why he dislikes a wrestling character in the wrestling thread. Sean started it with him and said "I just can't keep ignoring this idiot saying those things when he doesn't know what he's talking about!" and started the insults. And Zeroz stayed away from fighting back with him, but Sean persisted. How are you not seeing that as what happened? I showed that's exactly what happened.

You're either saying that Zeroz shouldn't be allowed to reply to SeanAltly, which he didn't because Sean was the one that replied to one of his posts to start this(something he did several times), or that Zeroz shouldn't be allowed to either post in the wrestling thread or talk about John Cena, both are things I disagree with and would think would be ridiculous if someone suggested it. If that's not what you're saying, what are you saying?

Edit: Oh, if what you're saying was he should have been banned already then I don't know, maybe. He wasn't though and he didn't provoke Sean in any other way than saying bad things about John Cena that Sean didn't think was true. Maybe we could have stopped it earlier.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 20, 2013, 09:15:27 pm
Maybe you haven't paid any attention to the various past stuff that happened between those two and how they always started out and how Zeroz posed as a victim each time and yet everyone saw through him. You don't see it here because Sean went nuts faster, but again, he was doing the same thing as he has done 3 times in the past. It always went the same way, it always ended the same way, with everyone clearly aware that Zeroz WAS looking for it all along. He starts with something small, and HE escalates by calling Sean out on whatever. Sean simply broke out faster this time, and you're dumping it on him for it. Zeroz was banned 3 times for doing that. You say that in this case, Zeroz was staying out of it, have you never seen a troll in action or something ??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on May 20, 2013, 09:25:24 pm
I did pay attention and I'm tried of people suggesting that I don't know their past. Yes, I was there for all the bans in the past. I saw the profile. I'm not seeing Zeroz as a victim, I'm seeing Sean as the provocateur. Which he was unless you seriously think John Cena bashing is grounds for what happened. Zeroz really didn't fight back. Yeah you can say "that's just how he trolls" but it still was what happened. Zeroz was banned 3 times for how far he went when fighting with Sean, he wasn't banned 3 times for attacking John Cena. That's all he was doing until Sean started it with him.

Btw Sean I wanna make it clear that what Zeroz said about you being a moocher or talentless or whatever was completely baseless and of course not true. You're a very talented contributor to both this site and Mugen in general and I'm sorry if you got the impression that just because I believe you were responsible for this mess taking place that any of that crap is true. It's not.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 20, 2013, 09:29:38 pm
So how come you're the only one who's not seeing that this is what Zeroz was going for anyway ? Again, he did the exact same thing in the past, start with something small and seemingly unrelated, and then escalate and specifically call out Sean on something. This time it was John Cena, last time it was something else, the time before that it was something else again. John Cena, Sean's own wrestling, Sean's detailed knowledge of wrestlers, what have you. The only thing that changed this time is that Sean snapped right from the start, because he, like everyone else, knew what Zeroz was going to do anyway. Your claim that Zeroz wasn't doing anything THIS time and didn't respond is exactly the kind of things he wants.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on May 20, 2013, 09:44:49 pm
So how come you're the only one who's not seeing that this is what Zeroz was going for anyway ?

I'm not the only one that thinks the way I do about what happened, check the shit thread. You are in the minority on this one.

Again, he did the exact same thing in the past, start with something small and seemingly unrelated, and then escalate and specifically call out Sean on something. This time it was John Cena, last time it was something else, the time before that it was something else again. John Cena, Sean's own wrestling, Sean's detailed knowledge of wrestlers, what have you. The only thing that changed this time is that Sean snapped right from the start, because he, like everyone else, knew what Zeroz was going to do anyway. Your claim that Zeroz wasn't doing anything THIS time and didn't respond is exactly the kind of things he wants.

But that's not what happened. Sean escalated it, and Sean called out Zeroz on "being an idiot who doesn't know anything". What literally started this was this post:

I don't have to be a Dirt Sheet reading smark to know that Cena does pull strings backstage, Ryback was feuding with a rising team, and what a coincidence that Cena magically got involved with this feud when it was originally for Ryback, They destroyed Ryback, this monster machine, but all of a sudden they couldn't get the job done last night?

That Belt has no Value anymore, Punk did nothing for it, he could reign for two straight years and it still wouldn't matter because they paid more attention to Cena more than anything...the only time they let his reign shine was when he was feuding with The Rock.

They did turn Ryback heel to keep him down, they didn't want him to be more over than Cena, since he's getting more boos than ever. They could of gone the Tweener route, but nah, let's put Ryback's year plus push to rest instead so Cena can continue to pretend that people like him now that he won the belt from Dwayne. 

      Posted: May 14, 2013, 09:38:32 pm
P.S Download the WWE APP.

Do you see anything in there that justifies Sean starting the fight by replying like this:

All of the shit you spew is crazy, baseless accusations from someone who hates Cena just as blindly as kids love him. Be sure to kick back and call me a butthurt fanboy or some shit, too, even though I agreed that Cena's booked too strong and he doesn't need the title. I guess you can't not like Cena's booking without also thinking he's an evil, selfish backstage politician. I just get tired of all the pessimistic whining and bullshit where there should be reasonable discussion of something we all claim to be fans of. I'm apparently just not going to get that here.

Please tell me, are what you suggesting is that Zeroz should not have either 1. been allowed to post in the wrestling thread or 2. make that post about Cena?

And if you're thinking Zeroz should have been banned in the first place, please say that. That's way more reasonable than either of those.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 20, 2013, 09:51:56 pm
Zeroz should have been banned in the first place. Not just because of what he did in the past, but because we knew what he was going to do. This includes get anywhere close to Sean and start shit talking about stuff that WILL get Sean to respond.
Sean responded with what you quote BECAUSE he already knew where Zeroz was headed. It's not a single occurrence of something new as you see it, it's a continuation of everything before that. Sean isn't just going to a random guy with his own opinion about Cena and just starting to trash talk him out for having his different opinion about Cena, Sean is saying that Zeroz is always doing that and this is one more example of it. The "all the shit you spew is crazy" is not referring to this one happenstance, it's referring to everything Zeroz has done in the past. Have you seen Sean go up to someone ELSE with a different opinion and say "you spew crazy shit" ? Because even though I never touch the wrestling thread, I'm pretty sure I saw Sean defend himself by listing all the times he was capable of talking with someone with a different opinion. Which shows that Zeroz is the exception. And we know why, and we saw it coming.
Sean did not start anything. You can quote that topic all you want, you can quote him throwing the first insults in this particular discussion all you want, you have to stop seeing it as one single event and understand that this is the whole package of everything that happened before. Sean didn't throw the first insult because it didn't start just on Tuesday, it started all the way back.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on May 20, 2013, 10:14:16 pm
I understand feeling that way but you're saying here that SeanAltly was justified in a preemptive strike because he thought Zeroz wrestling posts was going to lead to a personal attack on him because SeanAltly is a fan of a wrestler that Zeroz hates.

Also, Zeroz didn't even go there 'this time'. He even started talking about something else with a different user about a different wrestling company, having not insulted Sean or even continuing about his dislike for that wrestler, until SeanAltly persisted. It wasn't going to go there. The topic was changed. Until Sean insisted on bringing it back. I get your claim that this was all part of some kind of master plan but it really doesn't look that way to me. If Sean would have left it alone, it would have stopped with Sean having called Zeroz a know nothing idiot several times and Zeroz having barely even said anything back. Especially nothing insulting.

This whole thing is ridiculous. It really is.

Sean did not start anything. You can quote that topic all you want, you can quote him throwing the first insults in this particular discussion all you want, you have to stop seeing it as one single event and understand that this is the whole package of everything that happened before. Sean didn't throw the first insult because it didn't start just on Tuesday, it started all the way back.

Ridiculous. That's just not true. Sean factually started this argument. Them having disagreements in the past over wrestling before does not mean that Sean didn't throw the first(couple of) punch(es) in this fight.

What you're saying is the same as someone just randomly insulting someone out of nowhere and justifying it as "well he was banned in the past for fighting with me so I can insult him all I want! I didn't start it!" No. Not how things work.

Sean's a great asset to this forum and I like him for that. Zeroz has crossed the line several times with his behavior and is always walking a thin line because of that. That does not exempt Sean from being the catalyst in this, something that I feel like I've proven and saying "no but the past" isn't going to change that. Your suggestions are that Sean is not responsible at all for his behavior, or that it is completely excusable, or hell maybe you think he didn't do anything wrong. I disagree with you and I think we've debated this to a dead-end in that regard.

You say that I should look at the whole picture, what I suggest to you and to anyone who is looking at it like that is to at least try and think smaller and consider it as an isolated incident for a change and ask yourselves these questions: Who was the catalyst, who continued to persist with it, how could this have easily have been avoided, who was trying to prevent it from continuing but the other party would have no part in that, and how many posts contained personal insults on each side?

By the way, I could have handled this better. I'm not even confident that these posts are the best way for me to continue to be handling the situation.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on May 20, 2013, 10:22:15 pm
I'm really glad someone is bringing this up. The argument that happened over the last few days absolutely was an extension of every argument we've had before, and I was still admittedly bitter that so little was done about Zeroz in the past that I flew off the handle and let him have it. Despite the tone of shock and surprise in some of my recent posts, I kind of knew I'd be painted as the bad guy this time, I just didn't care because I knew that if nothing was going to be done about Zeroz, I was going to get my shots in. Simple as that. I threw the first insult this time, but it was because I know Zeroz and I know his MO.

Also, I see that the topic having changed to TNA for 12 hours is still being used in this discussion but everyone seems to ignore the fact I made this post:

Are you done playing the victim card? I wanna bitch and moan about the evil John Cena without anyone proving me wrong or expecting me to back up my stupid, baseless claims.

Yeah, sure, have at it.

@GLB

All of what you said is true. I wish I had a little more self control. I wish assholes didn't know to push my buttons so well. You see the post he made right after yours. He isn't interested in doing anything but whining about Cena and being a general dickhead. I just have a hard time ignoring people like him.

In this post I admitted I lost control and that Zeroz knew how to push my buttons, which is what he was doing. I told Zeroz he could go back to doing his thing and had no intention of continuing this argument. Then almost three days later, Zeroz posted his response. How is that not way worse than my 12 hour gap where I responded to Zeroz? Because someone made a few posts about TNA during that?
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