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Title: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on June 12, 2019, 03:14:53 am
(https://i.imgur.com/yZ3QZsM.png)
So yeah... I'm FINALLY working on my first character. It's Kain Blade from Golden Axe: The Duel, and he will have all the fundamentals seen in Infinite, R@CE and SennouRoom's characters. I'm building him off of Memo's POTS template, and the SFF from Werewood's Kain.
But there are some difficulties I might run into since I'm a first timer:
FX: These are the norm for POTS characters right? Well, I don't know how to make 3D effects. But if there are open source effects I can use, let me know.
Rolling animation: Also the norm for POTS characters. Golden Axe didn't have rolling and sidestep mechanics. I dunno... maybe I'll find sprites in Werewood's SFF that will make do for those.
Feel free to help me out here. And if you want, make your own palettes and post them in the thread.
6/21/2019 Update
Updating this post because here's another character I got in the works. I'm using the sprites from Nexus Games's Tifa because the palette looks a helluva lot better than YAMAKICHI's. Also, NG's Tifa plays like a DivineWolf character instead of Infinite's Cloud.
(https://i.imgur.com/FSh3pzz.png)
Title: Re: POTS/Infinite Kain Blade
Post by: Nep Heart on June 12, 2019, 05:03:01 am
Unless you've gotten a ton of practice coding MUGEN characters prior, this is a pretty big up-taking for a first character, especially if you're striving for PotS accuracy. Phantom.of.the.Server's characters are really complex in basically every aspect, not to mention you'll need to study CvS2 to see what functions right as an equivalent to a weapon user like one from a Golden Axe FG. The FXs are multi-layered helpers just so you know, so, that adds an extra layer (excuse my pun) of difficulty.
Title: Re: POTS/Infinite Kain Blade
Post by: Umezono on June 12, 2019, 07:11:29 am
Infinite, R@Ce and Sennou all have different styles, so I suggest trying to achieve accuracy along one style rather than all 3 + PoTS.
I'm excited for this character, and would like to see it done well and be successful. So to echo Nep Heart, you should study characters who use weapons. Nakoruru by PoTS, Haohmaru by Chazzanova, and Genjuro by KarmaChameleon are all good places to look. I would also please, please suggest you take the time to track down the original game and play it, or at least find footage of Kain Blade, so you have an idea of what he does in the game and how it would translate to a "CVS3" style.
In terms of missing sprites, this looks a bit extra but could do for a sidestep, see if theres enough sprites relating to this one/its animation in the SFF
Also, you don't neccesarily need to have a roll, custom combo, parry, etc. PoTS made his Darkstalkers characters act much more similar to their source games than CVS or his custom style. I would stress you take the time to try and come with a unique-CVS3 take on the gameplay system of GA:TD
Title: Re: POTS/Infinite Kain Blade
Post by: Kingxroyo on June 12, 2019, 08:31:19 am
Looking forward to this one. You know, Dick Buckus planned to do his own take of Kain Blade. Can't wait to see what you got in store
Title: Re: POTS/Infinite Kain Blade
Post by: R@CE AKIR@ on June 12, 2019, 09:09:50 am
Im interested as to what you'll do with this character as well. Some things I will say, since this is your first character, try not to rush it and also in my opinion, don't feel too pressured. Make the character how you ever you feel like making it and have fun but try to find some balance for the sake of gameplay purposes. Even if you don't get it right the 1st time around, its ok, that's what updates are for. Converting someone who didn't play in the gameplay style originally is kind of sketchy as it is, but finding "SOME" kind of balance is key.
I always wanted to make my own Kain Blade after what I saw Buckus was going to do a few years back so I'll be looking forward to yours.
Title: Re: POTS/Infinite Kain Blade
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on June 12, 2019, 03:24:55 pm
I'm not coding him right now. I'm still building the SFF.
Infinite, R@Ce and Sennou all have different styles, so I suggest trying to achieve accuracy along one style rather than all 3 + PoTS.
I apologize, I meant to say features not fundamentals. And I wouldn't say they have different styles because characters made by Infinite, Sennou, R@CE and Falcon Rapper (forgot to mention him) have these features in common:
-Palette Selector -Config files that let you toggle chain combos, air combos, sounds, etc
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I would stress you take the time to try and come with a unique-CVS3 take on the gameplay system of GA:TD
I'll see what I can do. The source game was nothing special, aside from the magic system. It came out in '94 and by then, fighting games have graduated from trying to copy Street Fighter II's vanilla "I hit you, you hit me, no super meters included" gameplay.
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I always wanted to make my own Kain Blade after what I saw Buckus was going to do a few years back so I'll be looking forward to yours.
I saw that too. Was looking forward to his Kain Blade, but he never released it. Goat and Shiva were other WIPs he didn't finish.
Title: Re: POTS/Infinite Kain Blade
Post by: Momotaro on June 16, 2019, 04:02:16 pm
Looks good, even if he looks tall compared to Urien. Other plans of GAD characters in this style ?
Title: Re: POTS/Infinite Kain Blade
Post by: Umezono on June 16, 2019, 04:30:26 pm
I think the styles are quite different outside of those two similarities (and other aesthetic choices) personally.
Title: Re: POTS/Infinite Kain Blade
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on June 17, 2019, 03:37:05 am
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Looks good, even if he looks tall compared to Urien.
Fixed. I scaled him down to
xscale = 0.57 yscale = 0.53
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Other plans of GAD characters in this style?
I might consider making Death Adder. If I get the hang of coding how his shield works. In the source game, it breaks after taking too much damage,
Nexus Games made a POTS Milan Flare, but... it's meh. I don't want to sound like an ass, but his coding leaves a lot to be desired. Maybe I'll fix up his Milan, and Tifa Lockhart in the future.
Title: Re: POTS/Infinite Kain Blade
Post by: 2Dee4ever on June 17, 2019, 03:44:46 am
You can do a lot without extra sprites. Get creative with that magic system, maybe take some pointers from how they did Simon in smash. How Bexmius did Devilotte is another good example, The Unknown solider someone was working on. Did something similar with Marco from Metal Slug, gave him his arensal from said game.
Title: Re: POTS/Infinite Kain Blade
Post by: R@CE AKIR@ on June 17, 2019, 07:41:06 am
Just a suggestion but you could use Warusaki's Haohmaru as a reference to help balance out how a CVS character with a sword should play and to help scale, damage wise.
Title: Re: POTS/Infinite Kain Blade
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on June 19, 2019, 06:24:08 am
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Just a suggestion but you could use Warusaki's Haohmaru as a reference to help balance out how a CVS character with a sword should play and to help scale, damage wise.
I'll look into it when I start coding.
Anyway, here's a sample.
When I added Werewood's SFF onto the template, things got messy. Some frames look inconsistent. But I found a workaround by going to the AIR section and copying the time/ticks for each frame from his Kain.
Title: Re: POTS/Infinite Kain Blade
Post by: R@CE AKIR@ on June 19, 2019, 07:19:48 am
Looking good! Also if you need help to get the basics down as far as the system goes, look into Divine Wolfs KFM and make the needed adjustments in the AIR file bit by bit until everything matches up. A lot of older characters dont have the needed sprites to do everything so his KFM is perfect because it shows you what you can do with limited sprites.
Title: Re: POTS/Infinite Kain Blade
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on June 19, 2019, 09:33:48 pm
Title: Re: POTS/Infinite Kain Blade
Post by: RagingRowen on June 19, 2019, 09:38:21 pm
I'm kinda bothered by the Sword Swings, becuase of the slashes on them. One would remove the fire from the slash and convert it to Hi-Res, but I guess you wouldn't be capable of that.
Title: Re: POTS/Infinite Kain Blade
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on June 19, 2019, 09:46:14 pm
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I'm kinda bothered by the Sword Swings, becuase of the slashes on them. One would remove the fire from the slash and convert it to Hi-Res, but I guess you wouldn't be capable of that.
Doesn't Fighter Factory have a tool that lets you edit sprites? I could use that. Or remove the sword slashes in GIMP.
Title: Re: POTS/Infinite Kain Blade
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on June 20, 2019, 07:41:28 pm
So I responded to RagingRowen's feedback and removed the sword slashes. The process was tedious as fuck but it paid off. I used FF3's image editor to take them out.
So I responded to RagingRowen's feedback and removed the sword slashes. The process was tedious as fuck but it paid off. I used FF3's image editor to take them out.
And this is the first of many custom sprites for my Kain Blade. It was made from his guard and jumping frames in GIMP.
(https://i.imgur.com/3yH6JGo.png)
If you need help with the sword whoosh like FX, you could use Haohmaru's sword FX and use Angle Draw coding and Scale coding to help shape them onto Kain Blade's sword as if they were meant for him. Like how me, Sennou Room and others have done for sword like characters.
If you do decide to, please go download my version of Haohmaru as I made some really top notch Double High Res sword FX that you can use. It'll give him that CVS like feel if you manage to pull it off right.
Also note, there are 2 versions, one that has all the colors in the FX, and the other with the FX matching the palette which downgrades the quality of the FX. Go with whatever you want
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on June 22, 2019, 01:12:37 am
Updated the first post.
Announced another character, I'll be making on the side.
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: Momotaro on June 22, 2019, 11:20:18 am
Announced another character, I'll be making on the side.
Really good news. I just hate the fact that almost every f*cking version of her uses this weird spriteset with strange animation and body proportions...
If I had time and worked faster, I would create a real CVS/POTS type spriteset for her. And would include her moves from Ergheiz...
Anyway, I encourage you with this, because I think you will make some good conversion. Keep it up.
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: Mr. Ansatsuken on June 22, 2019, 12:31:24 pm
Announced another character, I'll be making on the side.
D I D S O M E O N E S A Y T I F F A ? ! That's great news, haha, I was wondering less than a week ago if someone was gonna make Tiffa eventually... I wish you the best luck on this project! :mlol: :mlol: :mlol:
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: RΣDDBRIПK on June 22, 2019, 12:38:58 pm
There were also these tifa sprites but they were unfinished as far as i know. kayui UMA is author of the sprites. (https://i.imgur.com/moYajyw.gif)
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on June 23, 2019, 09:07:51 pm
Progress with Kain so far.
Got most of the basic animations done including the power charge, custom combo, and reused frames from his jumping animation for rolling
And I can't find the right frames to use for when your character gets thrown, nor do I know the Group numbers needed. You'll notice it when Cloud throws him.
And this. I found this in Werewood's SFF and it looks too complicated to edit, unlike the sword slashes I erased.
(https://i.imgur.com/37lSUgL.png)
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: R565 on June 25, 2019, 04:38:08 pm
There's nothing wrong with asking for help, cause it's better for you in the long run.
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on June 25, 2019, 06:00:30 pm
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There's nothing wrong with asking for help, cause it's better for you in the long run.
I know that. Criticism also helps you not hurt you.
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: R@CE AKIR@ on June 25, 2019, 06:50:54 pm
Cant make any promises but if you send me Kain Blade I can see what I can do.
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on June 28, 2019, 06:24:23 am
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Cant make any promises but if you send me Kain Blade I can see what I can do.
After you're done with Janne?
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on June 28, 2019, 01:28:21 pm
Since I've been focusing on Tifa, I'm considering taking liberties on mine, where she will have special moves based on her Ehrgeiz and Dissidia appearances.
Hell, some of these moves could be implemented if I reuse various attack frames in the AIR file :D
Some animations have to be reused since I can't draw for shit and I don't have money to commission, someone to draw extra sprites. Infinite had to do the same thing for his Cloud's Omnislash.
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: Momotaro on June 28, 2019, 06:09:38 pm
Nice to see there will be some stuff from Ergheiz particularly. ands dissidia
I wouls dream like so much to see some great skills into a fitting spriteset, like dampir... anyway, good news!
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on June 28, 2019, 07:00:52 pm
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Nice to see there will be some stuff from Ergheiz particularly. ands dissidia
I wouls dream like so much to see some great skills into a fitting spriteset, like dampir... anyway, good news!
She has a projectile in Ehrgeiz so that will be implemented.
Also, I found some Win quotes for her.
Vs. Yang: Serves you right blondie. That was for trashing my bar! Vs. Mai: "There's this new invention in case you haven't heard. It's called a bra!" Vs. Chun- Li: Strongest woman in the world? Don't think so. Vs. Cloud: You lose focus, you lose a fight. Vs. Ryu: About time I met another fighter who only uses their fists! Vs. Haohmaru/Kain Blade: Looks like the fist is mightier than the sword. Vs: Dan Hibiki: All talk and no muscle. Figures. Vs Akuma: Definitely a miracle I pulled through a tough fight like that!
The list goes on.
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: R@CE AKIR@ on June 28, 2019, 11:14:29 pm
Cant make any promises but if you send me Kain Blade I can see what I can do.
After you're done with Janne?
I can take a look today. My only question is, do you have all of his required sprites in, did you input all of the system of the gsmeplay style in him.
I was willing to do the sword FX and etc for you on his attacks. Like how Ive done with Jeanne, Earthquake and etx
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on June 30, 2019, 05:31:20 am
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I can take a look today. My only question is, do you have all of his required sprites in, did you input all of the system of the gsmeplay style in him.
I was willing to do the sword FX and etc for you on his attacks. Like how Ive done with Jeanne, Earthquake and etx
As luck would have it, I was able to fix the missing sprites issue. I only got his basics and normal attacks done in the AIR file. I haven't added the hitboxes yet, nor did I start coding.
I uploaded him to Mediafire. You want me to send him to you through PM? Or just post the link here?
In the meantime, I finished Tifa's SFF. I just need to fix the power charge because it's misaligned >.<
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: R@CE AKIR@ on July 01, 2019, 01:30:26 pm
Code the hitboxes and stuff and then send him to me. Im just gonna add the sword FX coding on there.
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on July 09, 2019, 07:34:35 pm
I'm adding Kain's hitboxes as we speak.
As for Tifa, I'm putting her on hold since I can't come up with a proper Level 3 Super. Then again, YAMAKICHI didn't draw the required sprites for her limit break.
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: RagingRowen on July 09, 2019, 07:40:37 pm
Do you have Level 3 Ports for these 2 by any chance? I can do one if not.
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on July 13, 2019, 10:44:41 pm
Do you have Level 3 Ports for these 2 by any chance? I can do one if not.
You can make one for Kain. I already have one for Tifa.
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on July 29, 2019, 08:54:42 pm
Back to working on Kain.
I added the hitboxes and the Level 3 port Rowen made for me. Now I'm working on his Specials and Supers. in the animations tab. Golden Axe: The Duel didn't have super combo animations so I'll have to come up with my own. His Deadly Flare (The fire hurricane he does in the source game) will be his Level 3. Problem is, I need the proper FX to make it work. The FX in Werewood's Kain don't seem to cut it.
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: RagingRowen on July 29, 2019, 09:01:33 pm
Did you see my Lvl3 Port for Kain? http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2447267
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on August 14, 2019, 12:09:31 am
Did you see my Lvl3 Port for Kain? http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2447267
I did.
And by the way, do you guys think I should do something about the sprite's color palette? Like, should I change it up to make Kain look CVS-ish? Race did something similar with Mickey Rogers. He scaled down his AOF2 sprites and changed up the palette.
I wish I wasn't horrible with making palettes
(https://i.imgur.com/5D4CfI7.png)
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: RagingRowen on August 14, 2019, 12:12:36 am
I'd recommend getting rid of the black pixels on the outlines first. They're very clashy.
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on August 14, 2019, 12:16:36 am
I'd recommend getting rid of the black pixels on the outlines first. They're very clashy.
Werewood ripped the sprites with a Sega Saturn emulator. Hence why they look like that.
I hope there's a quick and efficient way to get rid of the outlines.
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on December 07, 2019, 07:15:38 pm
Hey everyone, I apologize in advance for the lack of posts in this thread over the past 3 months. Lately, my work on Kain has been put on hold due to all sorts of shit. Health issues, real life, and other stuff I've been working on since I have a Youtube channel and a Deviantart page.
As a result, I have no desire or the time to work on Kain Blade and Tifa. That, and I'm still inexperienced in coding.
However, I'm considering releasing these characters as open-source WIPS. It would be a waste if I left them on my hard drive unfinished for God knows how long. If anyone's interested, I'll upload them to Mediafire.
When the money is right, I'll just have the characters I want made commissioned.
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: Suprizle on December 10, 2019, 05:26:28 am
Hey!
If you're discontinuing them, can you upload Tifa? I'm sure one of us would love to take a crack at it.
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: King on December 10, 2019, 09:47:35 pm
Great Project
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: AMultiverseAuthor on December 25, 2019, 02:36:36 am
If you're discontinuing them, can you upload Tifa? I'm sure one of us would love to take a crack at it.
I could send you Tifa through a PM. I'm not gonna post the links in public because I don't want my shit taken and posted on Mugen Archive without my consent.
Title: Re: My POTS/Infinite WIPs: Kain Blade & Tifa Lockhart
Post by: Suprizle on January 01, 2020, 04:40:32 am
Ahh yes, great point!
You know what, yeah. Send her my way whenever via PM. I do love me some Tifa, so I'll definitely give it a look. If I go forward, I'll be in touch for a collab or something! :)