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Title: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: OZ on September 06, 2008, 12:06:33 am
While playing with Seanalty's Solid Snake (a personal favorite) I, for whatever reason, made a connection between Snake and Gordon Freeman.
Snake uses a pistol, grenades, a smg, and a rocket launcher. What weapons did Freeman use?
Genome = Combine soldiers
They even wear 'similar' outfits.
There has since the release of Half Life 2 been much talk of a Gordon Freeman, and who would serve as a base.
So I decided to try a little sprite editting.

This is what I came up with:
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd278/Onimaru_1/GordonFreeman.png)
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd278/Onimaru_1/GordonFreeman2.png)

It is clearly an editted standing sprite from Seanalty's Snake.
Any comments?
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: M.Cartel on September 06, 2008, 12:22:21 am
I puked.

Just kidding. It looks pretty cool.
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: tetsuo9999 on September 06, 2008, 12:31:32 am
It looks pretty bad.

The face needs ALOT of work.
The armour doesn't look like armour.

His stance is also strange for Gordon..
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: OZ on September 06, 2008, 01:36:51 am
Well, the face is just snake's + a goatee and eyebrows.
And it is a sprite edit so the stance is just snake's.


It would be more helpful to say where the face needs work,.
What needs to be improved on the armor? (What does it look like now?)
What stance would/should Gordon be in?

Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: momo! on September 06, 2008, 01:44:22 am
you'll change the color of the face to the same color as the legs, right  o_O

oh wait that's part of the outfit.

well I kinda like the face, just work on getting the headband out of the hair and it'll be okay :)
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: tetsuo9999 on September 06, 2008, 02:01:32 am
Okay..

-Glasses need work, it looks as if he has a robin-ish mask.
-Beard needs fixing.
-Gordon's hair is wrong, it looks like abit of snake's headband is still there..
-The lower armour doesn't look solid(or w/e).
-The dark shading on his legs, should be the same as the chest armour.

Stance example -
(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1915/gordonstanceeae7.png)
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: OZ on September 06, 2008, 06:06:43 am
Why the hell would he stand like that?


Changing the stance would require me to use a different base sprite, which is probably not going to happen.
Besides, being a FPS, why would he have such a stiff/straight stance? He would usually have a gun pointed at something.

I did notice the hair, so I'll try to fix it.
Not really sure what to do to the glasses, not seeing the 'robin' mask, but I'll see what I can do.
Not much experience with beards, I'll try to fix it.
I can't darken the upper body, or the arms become invisible, so I guess I'll have to lighten the bottom.
Not sure what you mean by solid, but I'll try darker outlines on the armor.
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on September 06, 2008, 06:20:19 am
lawl, that's an edit of that snake char for mugen, looks bad :(
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: Ohsky on September 06, 2008, 06:36:37 am
While playing with Seanalty's Solid Snake (a personal favorite) I, for whatever reason, made a connection between Snake and Gordon Freeman.
Snake uses a pistol, grenades, a smg, and a rocket launcher. What weapons did Freeman use?
Genome = Combine soldiers
They even wear 'similar' outfits.
There has since the release of Half Life 2 been much talk of a Gordon Freeman, and who would serve as a base.
So I decided to try a little sprite editting.

This is what I came up with:
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd278/Onimaru_1/GordonFreeman.png)
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd278/Onimaru_1/GordonFreeman2.png)

It is clearly an editted standing sprite from Seanalty's Snake.
Any comments?


horrendous. Seanalty's chars appearance are disney for me: Epic fail. Never liked even his idea of snake, seemed very gay for me.


Be aware this is just one more opinion and not an imposition on how you should make your char; if you don´t like it, ignore it, that´s the point of this thing.

dont use any seanaltly char as a base, that´s what i can suggest you.

Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: OZ on September 06, 2008, 06:47:58 am
Thank you all for such wonderfully helpful advice.   :D
It's not like I'm releasing the thing, I was just toying around with a one frame sprite edit. Damn.
I know good and well it looks like a sprite edit of Seanalty's Snake, because it is.
I'm nowhere near done, if you feel it should be improved, you should probably say how, otherwise you're not helping.

At least 9999 had the courtesy to give some actual feedback.



(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd278/Onimaru_1/GordonFreeman3.png)

Lightened the bottom half, darkened the leg armor, got rid of the headband, messed with the beard (looks the same), messed with the glasses.
For better or worse.
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: OZ on September 06, 2008, 07:33:59 am
Ah-ha!
Finally realized what was wrong with the beard; it wasn't a goatee.

Fixed, not neccessarily better. [size=5pt]But I think it is[/size]
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd278/Onimaru_1/GordonFreeman4.png)
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: Ohsky on September 06, 2008, 08:08:05 am
i don´t know how to help u, u seem attached to seanaltly sprite edit, im not.... , i know what my opinion is, so that´s what i put here. this is feedback, u call feedback to wahtever fits your mind. that´s false.

Just try to make a gordon freeman, not a snake edit of seanaltly sprite. Use your imagination, your brain, whatever, i don´t know more to suggest you haha.

if you like seanaltly idea as a base, that´s all, another char i will not use. but, who cares?, this is a free universe, not a free world.
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: OZ on September 06, 2008, 08:20:25 am
I wasn't really complaining about your post.
You don't like Seanalty's style. I get it.
That's an opinion, it's fine.
Your opinion has been noted.

Just popping in and saying something like, "That looks bad, haha" or "that sucks" on the other hand is not helpful.
As well as rude.
Moving on.


Just try to make a gordon freeman, not a snake edit of seanaltly sprite. Use your imagination, your brain, whatever, i donĀ“t know more to suggest you haha.

I do not have time to do that.


Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: M.Cartel on September 06, 2008, 05:46:36 pm
Make g man.
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: OZ on September 06, 2008, 05:52:24 pm
Fine.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: M.Cartel on September 06, 2008, 06:30:43 pm
(http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/5786/11xq6.jpg)
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: Bloodly on September 06, 2008, 08:06:44 pm
Why the hell would he stand like that?

Because he's not a fighter, and doesn't know even the basics of fist-fighting?(Now GUN-fighting, on the other hand...)

You've got to remember that despite all the crap he's been through, he's just a man(with a super-suit), which is part of why we like him.  His stance, such as it would be, should show that.  He might be hardened, but he's not a fist man.

You're better off looking for a base that stands and moves...more like a non-fighter would.  If that means looking over things like walk-along beat-em-ups, so be it.
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: Formerly Hoshi on September 06, 2008, 08:31:03 pm
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd278/Onimaru_1/GordonFreeman4.png
The balance of the sprite is off.  In that sort of a stance his right(artist's left) arm should be more to the left. Cammy or Jill's stance in MVC2 might be good references.  You also need some heavier contrast on the oranges and the darkest shade of orange should be more of a dark brown color.  And because I can, I'm going to suggest adding in some light aliasing on his upper body.  It looks like it has unfinished shading.
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: OZ on September 06, 2008, 08:50:16 pm
Not making an actual character.
Just a sprite edit.
Posted in Graphics.
Not WIPs.
Just a sprite edit.
Not making an actual character.


I have never seen someone fire a weapon standing straight, with one arm to their side.
I know that Gordon Freeman isn't a fist fighter.

But, what type of a Scientist beats people to death with a crowbar on a regular basis?
And this is a fighting game, it would be a tad awkward for him to walk up and casually talk to whoever he's fighting.


Furthermore, I tend to stay away from beat-em-up sprites, and really don't like how they turn out on Mugen.
Something always feels 'off', and being able to turn your back to the opponent bothers me.
The sprites also seem 'old' in many cases. Plus looking through a multitude of beatemup sprites for a suitable base, would probably kill me.


Snake was chosen on the simple premise that I could easily convert his outfit, his face could be worked with, and he had access to Halflife style weapons.
Nothing else was taken into consideration. Nothing.

I can see if I had maybe posted a whole animation, people could critique it's validity.
Like if I had done a walking animation with him skipping around like Snake.
But a single frame? "Gordon would never stand like that."

Fair enough.
If I ever decide to make a Gordon Freeman character, I will make sure that in his standing and walking animations that he has his arms straight down, as not to offend.
But in my very honest opinion, I think alot of Snake's other animations would work.
So, I personally, would stick with the Snake base.

So if you would prefer a different base be used or likewise have some other "Half-Life" issue with this sprite, feel free to try it yourself.
Not being sarcastic.

Seeing as I am not actually working on the character, it's open.
Who knows, I may actually like yours better.
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: OZ on September 06, 2008, 08:51:56 pm
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd278/Onimaru_1/GordonFreeman4.png
The balance of the sprite is off.  In that sort of a stance his right(artist's left) arm should be more to the left. Cammy or Jill's stance in MVC2 might be good references.  You also need some heavier contrast on the oranges and the darkest shade of orange should be more of a dark brown color.  And because I can, I'm going to suggest adding in some light aliasing on his upper body.  It looks like it has unfinished shading.

Blame Seanalty.
All of those issues(other than the orange one) pertain to the actual base sprite.

Nonetheless, I'll see what I can do.
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: Formerly Hoshi on September 06, 2008, 09:36:59 pm
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd278/Onimaru_1/GordonFreeman4.png
The balance of the sprite is off.  In that sort of a stance his right(artist's left) arm should be more to the left. Cammy or Jill's stance in MVC2 might be good references.  You also need some heavier contrast on the oranges and the darkest shade of orange should be more of a dark brown color.  And because I can, I'm going to suggest adding in some light aliasing on his upper body.  It looks like it has unfinished shading.

Blame Seanalty.
All of those issues(other than the orange one) pertain to the actual base sprite.

Nonetheless, I'll see what I can do.
Regardless of the base, improve it, practice, get better and better and better.  Simple as that.  Making the sprite look better overall shouldn't be too much of a problem.
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: OZ on September 06, 2008, 10:32:42 pm
K.

Still not really seeing the issue with the arm though.
If anything I'd move the left arm (artist's right) farther to the left.

Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: Spoonman on September 07, 2008, 02:25:30 am
Needs sel-out.
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: OZ on September 07, 2008, 03:16:17 am
Hmmm?
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: M.Cartel on September 07, 2008, 05:09:51 am
Hmmm?

Hmmmm.
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: tetsuo9999 on September 07, 2008, 05:51:23 pm
Why the hell would he stand like that?


Changing the stance would require me to use a different base sprite, which is probably not going to happen.
Besides, being a FPS, why would he have such a stiff/straight stance? He would usually have a gun pointed at something.

I did notice the hair, so I'll try to fix it.
Not really sure what to do to the glasses, not seeing the 'robin' mask, but I'll see what I can do.
Not much experience with beards, I'll try to fix it.
I can't darken the upper body, or the arms become invisible, so I guess I'll have to lighten the bottom.
Not sure what you mean by solid, but I'll try darker outlines on the armor.

Well, the stance was just an example, also it's based on this..
(http://developer.valvesoftware.com/w/images/thumb/f/f8/300px-Gordon_Freeman.jpg)

The lower Armour doesn't look like it would protect him against anything.
It looks more like pants.
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: OZ on September 07, 2008, 07:53:16 pm
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd278/Onimaru_1/GordonFreeman4.png)

I'll post the image just so I don't have to keep flipping pages.

I'll see what I can do about the lower armor.
Maybe adding that little design on the side will help.
I'll also try darkening it.


That stance looks more applicable if we were doing a side scroller or adventure game.
Just walking, no real sense of urgency, not focusing on an enemy.
Just seems a little casual in a fighting game setting.

Just my opinion.


Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: Spoonman on September 10, 2008, 11:47:19 pm
Because I liked every idea that you've had, Oz.

Idea for the project (too lazy to sprite):

(http://www.geocities.com/edusama03/gordon.jpg)

The first suit looks better.
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: OZ on September 11, 2008, 12:03:09 am
Old school HEV. :)
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: Shamrock on September 11, 2008, 12:54:37 am
My suggestion is to steel some glasses from another sprite. There isn't many to choose from right now only Oswald comes to mind.

Also he has orange on one of his arms.
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: OZ on September 11, 2008, 02:11:30 am
Also he has orange on one of his arms.

If you could elaborate...
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: Ohsky on September 11, 2008, 06:35:40 am
sorry if i sounded harsh, hostile, rude, wathever, in my "critics" or "suggestions" on how gordon freeman should look like, i had a bad day the one i post my opinion, im sorry. for sure.

it´s just i have to deal with heavy problems that makes my life hard to be normal, even on the internet, sorry. well that´s why im usually considered a troll, io have to deal with problems the normal people don´t care and don´t understand a shit about, and that´s hard, but i am getting better on accepting people´s careless attitude towards me, just let me accept it...
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: OZ on September 11, 2008, 07:40:51 am
It's fine.
I wasn't angry or anything, everything's cool.


I was a little on edge myself.
And I do agree that an original Freeman would be outstanding.
(Making a hand-drawn Freeman has actually been a dream of mine.)
I am a little low on time at the moment.
Maybe if I can find some time in the future.
Maybe.
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: Ohsky on September 11, 2008, 12:05:46 pm
thanks
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: Shamrock on September 11, 2008, 05:52:41 pm
Also he has orange on one of his arms.

If you could elaborate...

I don't think that his arms have any bright colors.
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: OZ on September 11, 2008, 06:25:08 pm
(http://www.gameworld.vn/home/images/uploads/20080615_Gordon_Freeman.jpg)

I think I used this image as one reference.
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: Shamrock on September 11, 2008, 07:47:40 pm
Nevermind you win. Here is a cookie.

Nice job then just the glasses.
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: Sean Altly on September 21, 2008, 05:38:03 am
Quote
horrendous. Seanalty's chars appearance are disney for me: Epic fail. Never liked even his idea of snake, seemed very gay for me.

The use of the term "Epic Fail," and of the word "Gay" as a negative adjective illustrate your severe immaturity. I've been told by people that they don't like my style before, and that's fine. But grow up and try not to sound like such a child about it.

I probably shouldn't let one guy's exceedingly unintelligent remark ruin my day, but I guess I take these types of things too personally.

Also, since every one else is usually nice, I don't correct them, but for you I will:

The name is SeanAltly. A-L-T-L-Y.

EDIT: Oh, just realized that you're the former Ohsky. This explains so much.
Title: Re: Gordon Freeman: Just a little sprite edit of mine
Post by: Innuendoly Egor on September 21, 2008, 07:07:22 am
oh.
that was great.