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Title: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 24, 2012, 09:43:26 pm
This has always been a possibility, but I gave it some thought and I think its better to officialize.

(http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj72/myem0/001/penguin/penguin-emoticon-077.gif)

If you want to answer to something in warnings, in the staff section or the like .Post it here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 05, 2012, 06:47:28 pm
So you guys are discussing [E] right now.

He's been a bit of a douchebag lately (well more douchebaggy then usual), I think he needs a time-out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 05, 2012, 08:33:27 pm
I'd also like to point that this post (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=118940.msg1529204#msg1529204) should be looked at as well.


Not to mention the fact that when I sent a PM to [E] asking how Diepod was being rude and asking what the fuck his problem was, his response was basically him telling me to fuck off.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on March 05, 2012, 08:40:32 pm
"You got mad at me, I'm not talking to you again"

Do you honestly think we should step in that discussion? C'mon guys, let it slide.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 05, 2012, 08:41:24 pm
"You got mad at me, I'm not talking to you again"

Do you honestly think we should step in that discussion? C'mon guys, let it slide.
But nobody besides [E] reacted like that. :|

and he's the only person who seemed to be making this a big deal, Diepod seemed like he just wanted to drop it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on March 05, 2012, 08:53:21 pm
If all Diepod was making it much more of a deal just one page before that, and even then it wasn't anywhere near mod action 'worthy'.

Nothing worth nothing from the staff's perspective there, imo.

About E's earlier post:

I was gone most of february. Did he do anything wrong then?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 05, 2012, 08:59:21 pm
Diepod wasn't making a big deal out of it and his explanation on the first post of the last page explains why.

And yet [E] comes in and just says he's being rude, playing like somehow HE's the victim. Like, seriously, dude? It's Diepod's thread, he doesn't want it cluttered.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 05, 2012, 09:03:27 pm
Nothing worth nothing from the staff's perspective there, imo.
It's not really just that thread, it's a combination of stuff; [E] likes pissing people off, getting a reaction of them in order to troll them. His typos, the pedo jokes, the pokes he made to Maverik, it goes beyond normal joking behavior into something worse.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Luis Alejandro on March 05, 2012, 09:13:36 pm
You guys are overreacting
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on March 05, 2012, 09:14:59 pm
^^ not that my opinion might count anything

but yes [E] can be very annoying sometimes and with that i mean more annoying than myself, except when it comes to ranting about nintendo and dlc of course..but at least i am not attacking people today with something they wrote months ago.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on March 05, 2012, 09:28:08 pm
And that's why I asked if he had done anything remarkably bad in the last weeks, besides your passive-aggressive exchange with him (which kinda was your fault as much as his).

After checking his latest post:

His typos,

What the fuck. Since when is being careless while typing a punishable offense?

the pedo jokes

recent quotes please, can't find any on his last 40 or so posts.

the pokes he made to Maverik,

You mean recently or one month ago?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 05, 2012, 09:48:04 pm
The pokes were almost a month ago, and I too think they were a bad sign.

Ive talked to him a few times to stop doing the pedo shit and teh typos on purpose. its a recurrent thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on March 05, 2012, 10:01:06 pm
People taking [E] seriously? Why is this happening now?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on March 05, 2012, 10:16:47 pm
Is the "teh" thing really worth noting or bringing up to begin with?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 05, 2012, 10:17:25 pm
"Its just [E]" isnt really an acceptable excuse for behaviour.

I dont expect anyone to treat him with Kid's gloves, the same way I wont expect it if jz is having a bad behaviour related to his personal problems.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on March 05, 2012, 10:18:43 pm
Not just [E]. Anyone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 05, 2012, 10:18:58 pm
What the fuck. Since when is being careless while typing a punishable offense?
Phrased it wrong; it's fine to make typos, I was just saying that he makes those typos on purpose for no reason other than to annoy people.

recent quotes please, can't find any on his last 40 or so posts.
Why does it matter if he's done it in the last month? What matters is that he has done it and will probably continue to do so.

You mean recently or one month ago?
About a month ago.

People taking [E] seriously? Why is this happening now?
How is "oh it's just [E]" an excuse? Why does he get special treatment?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 05, 2012, 10:55:18 pm
LEAVE [E] ALONE!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on March 06, 2012, 12:16:51 am
I do agree that giving him a warning to calm down should work, I have to say he's been a little aggresive in some posts (examples the ones posted in the Warnings thread). Still, he hasn't done anything ban worthy, only warn worthy. If he starts ignoring mods or admins telling him to calm down, then perhaps a time-out would work.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 06, 2012, 12:19:07 am
I do agree that giving him a warning to calm down should work, I have to say he's been a little aggresive in some posts. Still, he still hasn't done anything ban worthy, only warn worthy. If he starts ignoring mods or admins telling him to calm down, then perhaps a time-out would work.
Oh, I didn't really mean time out as in ban, I meant it as warning; I don't think a ban is warranted. I shouldn't have said time out, cause it does sound like a ban instead of a warning but I thought it was funny. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on March 06, 2012, 12:20:42 am
Oh, I see. I thought you meant that, as time-out is usually referred to ban someone for a small period of time when it's used here.

But really, the best solution for [E]'s case is not to take him seriously and ignore any attempt of trolling he does if it's really offensive.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on March 06, 2012, 12:43:43 am
How is "oh it's just [E]" an excuse? Why does he get special treatment?
I know [E] long time ago, since the beginning of Mugen Hispania (also he was one of the first people I meet in Guild), and always make that kind of jokes (especially pedo jokes) and sarcastic comments, that's why didn't surprise me. Maybe the problem is there're more sensitive people lately... or he really is getting out of hand with jokes, the reason this thread was created, huh?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 06, 2012, 01:02:42 am
He has always been like that, the problem is it was previously split between sensible and stupid quite reasonably. Now there are almost no sensible and it's all shitposting.

I actually respect E a lot and seeing him act like this is pretty shitty.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 06, 2012, 01:40:39 am
How is "oh it's just [E]" an excuse? Why does he get special treatment?
Because it's always been mere humor ? Often on the limit of tastelessness, but as long as you're not being oversensitive, it's still humor, and the most you can say about him is that it's bad humor but that's it. It never even changed, it was possible to ignore it back then, it's still possible to shrug it off today. If you take offense at it, it's really just you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on March 06, 2012, 01:44:30 am
People taking [E] seriously? Why is this happening now?
How is "oh it's just [E]" an excuse? Why does he get special treatment?

Why do MOST of you guys get special treatment as well then? There are several guys who were, are and will still be assholes in the entire forum all the time yet I see people complaining about [E] because he had something that's not even close to an argument with Diepod. So what if other people got offended by it?

Diepod took it like a man and did what most of the people were supposed to, to just let it slide. Yes it really looked like Diepod was being serious and all that but I know (From previous events) that it's just the way he writes, he's not mad or anything at all. It's like that time when you guys were discussing the way Orochi Gill posts and why people may feel offended by it.

Honestly I don't feel like he's getting THAT dense to warrant all this conversation. Some people around here are far more annoying, aggressive, insult far more, are more direct, don't do funny jokes, are way too serious, have huge egos, etc. All of this exploded just because he posted at Diepod's thread or what?

I'll like to see the list of people who complained about his posting, I bet you'll have your answer right there :P

Heck, truth be told, I have a far easier time chatting with him at the TM channel than with most of the guys over there, I don't see how he's considered that disruptive considering the kind of stuff I see here every week (And wont mention names to not to trigger another 2 days long thread with hundreds of arguments in vain).

That's pretty much what can I say about this, I'm no one around here nor I care and I definitely don't expect to change anything but some people seem to take this more seriously than it should and it's damn stupid. Not like we are in IMT or anything right?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 06, 2012, 02:45:39 am
He has always been like that, the problem is it was previously split between sensible and stupid quite reasonably. Now there are almost no sensible and it's all shitposting.

I actually respect E a lot and seeing him act like this is pretty shitty.
That's the thing, I can (and do) respect him otherwise, but he's just doing it too much lately and crossing lines.


I don't want another enemy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 06, 2012, 03:47:25 am
If you take offense at it, it's really just you.
I don't take any offense to it, I don't even dislike [E], I think he's pretty cool most of the time. I just think he needs to cut out the stupid jokes and the deliberate provoking of people; it makes him seem like an idiot.

Why do MOST of you guys get special treatment as well then?
What are you talking about?

There are several guys who were, are and will still be assholes in the entire forum all the time
If you see someone acting like a huge asshole then just report it? Don't see the problem here.

I see people complaining about [E] because he had something that's not even close to an argument with Diepod. So what if other people got offended by it?
I posted in this thread because Titiln posted about it in the Warnings thread; he felt like as of late, [E]'s posts were getting more and more inflamatory. It's not just a couple of posts in Diepod's thread, it's all the previously mentioned stuff.

We're talking about someone who just months ago had the word nigger in like half of his posts, does he get a free pass on that because he's been doing it for 10 years? If a brand new user did the same, everyone would be against it, but because he's been in the community for so long it's OK? That's not what we should aspire to, we need to have a community that welcomes people and not be one that drives people away because they might get offended by one of [E]'s posts and not know he's kidding because there is no reason to assume he is unless you already knew him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 06, 2012, 03:53:23 am
Why do MOST of you guys get special treatment as well then?
What are you talking about?
He quoted you and is talking about assholes so he might be subtly telling you off.

Then again, I do tend to read every Rednavi post like it's a hateful slur against everyone he responds to, so iunno.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on March 06, 2012, 05:58:29 am
Quote
Then again, I do tend to read every Rednavi post like it's a hateful slur against everyone he responds to, so iunno.

ahaha! I never knew you had such impression lol! Now that you say that, it does sound like that XD
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on March 06, 2012, 06:06:38 am
It's the Strangelove avatar
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on March 06, 2012, 08:56:40 am
jmorphman you've been acting real uptight and high-and-mighty lately

cut it out and calm down
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 06, 2012, 09:45:53 am
Maybe he needs a timeout ::)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 06, 2012, 10:53:15 am
Maybe we're all living inside the Matrix except Jmorphman.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 06, 2012, 07:06:27 pm
jmorphman you've been acting real uptight and high-and-mighty lately

cut it out and calm down
That's weird; no one accused me of acting uptight and high-and-mighty before I left Trinity.

Who knows what's changed???
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on March 06, 2012, 07:28:11 pm
that is one hell of a strawman you've got there bro

like i said, you need to calm down and stop taking things so seriously.


btw valodim made the same observation quite a while ago http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=139179.msg1525523#msg1525523 (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=139179.msg1525523#msg1525523)

valodim secret trinitymugen gangbanger confirmed
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 06, 2012, 07:48:35 pm
Valodim and I hugged it out. If you want to hug it out too then I'm game. :)

Also I don't think I'm being uptight, I just posted in this thread with my reaction to [E]'s posting style. If that somehow makes me uptight then so be it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 06, 2012, 07:54:06 pm
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT wait a second...

You're hugging people...

OTHER THAN ME?!

FORGET YOUUUUUUUUUUU.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 06, 2012, 07:54:58 pm
You never put out. >:[
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 06, 2012, 07:57:40 pm
What's the magic word.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 06, 2012, 07:59:32 pm
Show me your penis???
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 06, 2012, 08:01:36 pm
I'm not a goddamn museum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 06, 2012, 08:11:18 pm
Portuguese museums must be really weird if "show me your penis" makes you think of them. D:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lucina on March 06, 2012, 08:13:23 pm
He was my "Gay Nigga" at one point.  :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 06, 2012, 08:13:43 pm
Yes we are weird. But that's beside the point.

We can continue this conversation on MSN. ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 06, 2012, 08:15:42 pm
We can continue this conversation on MSN. ;)
But how would we see it then ?
Oh wait... Nevermind, we still can.
Pay no attention to the man behind the computer.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 06, 2012, 08:23:28 pm
hi don't use this thread to be wacky
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on March 06, 2012, 09:58:35 pm
I don't see what's the big deal. [e] is the way he is all the time, the only thing that changed is that Shiny Golden Diepod got mad at him, which in turn he denied, saying it was cool.

If we were to complain everytime someone posts disruptively, I'd complain three times as much as I already do. Don't be stupid bitches, he's just being silly for the most part. He isn't attacking or outright and blatantly offending anyone as much as Byakko, or Dio, or Titiln, or Rajaa, or DA_MAV, or even Iced, and none of the aforementioned has been banned, so neither should E.

How about you guys take a time out from reading his posts. There's always the ignore function, which I learned thanks to [E] himself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 06, 2012, 10:27:05 pm
far as i am concerned, E was overdoing it way back into http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=136623.0

But at that time , jz thought it was awesome.
I dont think jmorphman concern is unjustified, and no, no one is discussing banning E, he was warned back then and asked to cut out his "trolling", which he pulls often on people he considers dumb.

Far as I can tell he has reduced it a lot, but im not always around.

Walt:
@Titiln.

Like if we can propose people we wanna take down because they're gimmicky , I guess I would propose Mao whose gimmick is "never having a pronounceable display name", or Tsukasa because of her mecha-fetish, or Navets because he can't draw women with clothes and all his threads are NSFW, or Mulambo because of his dickery and irritating pot addiction and promotion, or [e] for saying the most inappropriate and racist things on purpose and with horrible grammar, or Caddie being narcissistic and drawing in Paint like a 5 year old, or even yourself for your too cool for school attitude. And the list could go on ... But in a sense we're all different, and in here we're all like characters in each other's life sitcom, and I like Big Sally's character, always hungrily craving for the cock, it makes me giggle.

Keep Big Sally, let's see what this "Straight" plot twist can bring in episodes to come.

The previous quote is why you have no legs to stand on when talking about offensive stuff. You thought big gay sally was a funny thing. When anyone from outside would be offended.

Diepod didnt seem that phased, nor do I think that would justify this alone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on March 06, 2012, 11:32:12 pm
I agree with [E] in that thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 06, 2012, 11:37:12 pm
thats cool and all since talking with E back then he agreed he was wrong and deleted the thread himself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on March 06, 2012, 11:47:52 pm
While you can have the last word all you want, I still believe he's pretty harmless.

Also, while someone could argue that the incident with Diepod was the straw that broke the camel's back, I fell it was exactly because he messed with almighty spriting god Diepod that he got so much shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 06, 2012, 11:52:11 pm
What is this almighty spriting god bullshit about?

And [E] wasn't the only person prodding Diepod.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 07, 2012, 12:23:47 am
It's pretty obvious what this is about. We have banned

Tetsuo9999
Anjel
BigSally
Peterfoster
Other  people whose names elude me

For similar things to what E has been doing, and they've done it for less time. Yeah sure, we know this is how E is, but if we ban other people for it why is it acceptable for him to do it? We all know he's intelligent and can post sensibly (and does so) but why should he get to post things that would get other users banned?

I don't want to see him banned. But i would like him to cut down on the shitposting. I do have to read them, i'm a mod, if it goes over the line it needs to be dealt with. I can't simply ignore them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on March 07, 2012, 12:28:10 am
It's pretty obvious what this is about. We have banned

Anjel
:shocked:

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on March 07, 2012, 12:50:35 am
Peterfoster was not a good example IMO. At least I'm glad he's gone since everytime he posted in Gaming he was just shitposting.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 07, 2012, 01:05:55 am
They're people who have done the same thing is my point. Fine, they make you rage, E has made people rage. Shitposting is the underlying thing here, not whether you personally hated that person.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2012, 01:17:00 am
We have determined there was an issue with E posting, he was warned, some people are complaining now, this is more about if he is still only provoking people or not.

he was shit posting and that is defenceless
the point arguing is if he is still doing it
walt being amused over his racist posts is completely irrelevant to the argument.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 07, 2012, 01:17:06 am
Anjel was banned sometime? o_O
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on March 07, 2012, 01:37:34 am
walt being amused over his racist posts is completely irrelevant to the argument.
No, actually the nigger things I find annoying, but then again he's not serious so I don't think he shouldn't be banned for being racist.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on March 07, 2012, 01:46:50 am
* in before Iced search for a post where I laugh about a racist joke

Edit: Did your homework for ya, 33 nigga and 11 niggers in my post history.
44/17701   ... 0.2%
take your pick.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on March 07, 2012, 01:48:35 am
Kinda funny how equality is mentioned when it will never happen anywhere. Get your facts straight people, members get banned for a different amount of things and just because both people did the same amount of shitposting doesn't mean both should get the same punishment.

We treat people in a different way depending of how much we know about them and that's why they get different consequences of their acts when it comes to banning or warnings. You may think it sets a precedence or sounds unfair but lots of unfair things already happened so whatever.

All the people walt mentioned were more disruptive than [E] in the last months, heck even I am more disruptive than him :P. We can't possibly have in mind every single user type around here when it comes to this things. I didn't know [E] was that silly when I registered yet I wasn't informed or anything, you just LEARN about this kind of things eventually, let the new users do the same.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 07, 2012, 02:54:57 am
we should ban users that make threads to mock christians
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2012, 03:00:50 am
im glad to see that everyone is more worried about their friends being chastized than to inform me if E behaviour lately has improved.

Specially when again, no one spoke about banning E.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 07, 2012, 03:03:31 am
who the fuck is E?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 07, 2012, 03:05:01 am
clever
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on March 07, 2012, 03:05:27 am
YES
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 07, 2012, 03:07:26 am
hi don't use this thread to be wacky
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on March 07, 2012, 04:30:45 am
I'd also like to point that this post (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=118940.msg1529204#msg1529204) should be looked at as well.


Not to mention the fact that when I sent a PM to [E] asking how Diepod was being rude and asking what the fuck his problem was, his response was basically him telling me to fuck off.
Spare me. You and I both know that Diepod can't take a joke. Its become such common knowledge that even Walt pointed it out in the thread.

I don't know if anyone has noticed it, but Diepod has always been a hard ass, even from just users giving positive criticism and feedback. The only reason most people haven't addressed it is because we know that his type is the one to up and leave a forum just because the userbase "is telling me what to do."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on March 07, 2012, 04:49:27 am
Not to mention it would be a positively great loss. Nobody would benefit from that at all.

If any, when people see creativity around, it inspires them to make things themselves. He's part of the virtuous creative circle that has got things going well around here these days.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 07, 2012, 04:52:58 am
I'd also like to point that this post (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=118940.msg1529204#msg1529204) should be looked at as well.


Not to mention the fact that when I sent a PM to [E] asking how Diepod was being rude and asking what the fuck his problem was, his response was basically him telling me to fuck off.
Spare me. You and I both know that Diepod can't take a joke. Its become such common knowledge that even Walt pointed it out in the thread.

I don't know if anyone has noticed it, but Diepod has always been a hard ass, even from just users giving positive criticism and feedback. The only reason most people haven't addressed it is because we know that his type is the one to up and leave a forum just because the userbase "is telling me what to do."
You don't know him. At all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on March 07, 2012, 04:56:33 am
^Im a fan of his work. Im not a fan of his attitude.
Not to mention it would be a positively great loss. Nobody would benefit from that at all.

If any, when people see creativity around, it inspires them to make things themselves. He's part of the virtuous creative circle that has got things going well around here these days.
Which is why I think people are hesitant to address the problem. Die, Sean, and Balth have brought a lot to this community and I think we would lose visitors and interest if we were to see them leave over some 'drama'.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 07, 2012, 04:57:09 am
He's just blunt. Nothing wrong with that.


At any rate he doesn't flip his shit and start dropping f-bombs on something he perceives as a negative comment despite being legit criticism.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on March 07, 2012, 04:59:38 am
For the record, unless anybody has anything else to say, I think this thread has run its course.

People bitching about people to other people, and discussing people if they were topics to be discussed over coffee is unnecessary at this point. I know for a fact that [E] has read this thread and is already acting on it, so if nobody is getting banned, we could leave this be for now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on March 07, 2012, 05:22:04 am
it was supposed to be a place to discuss points made in the staff thread

i'm guessing iced didn't originally anticipate people focusing so heavily on single issues as such
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2012, 05:34:07 am
when the question was "has E improved since the last talk" and it goes on tangents about how he shouldnt be banned because this or that? yeah, i didnt anticipate it.People are treating it as if someone made a thread just to bitch about E.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on March 07, 2012, 05:47:47 am
You offered your opinion on banning E, I offered mine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 07, 2012, 05:49:10 am
NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT BANNING [E]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on March 07, 2012, 06:09:38 am
WELL THAY SHOUDL!wait
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on March 07, 2012, 06:47:01 am
you should (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NJAG4Lgk48#t=00m25s)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on March 07, 2012, 07:39:18 am
Valodim and I hugged it out. If you want to hug it out too then I'm game. :)

you should know i was only saying what i said as a concerned friend to prevent you from becoming a MONSTER

*hug*
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 07, 2012, 07:40:45 am
*stabs KOD in the back*

I WAS A MONSTER ALL ALONG

(sorry titiln for turning this into wacky funtimes)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 12, 2012, 03:47:47 pm
ok, I normally don't do this because it sounds like just making excuses, but there have been several misunderstanding lately, both from me and from some members of the staff so I feel likie clarifying some things, when I feel like going tl;dr i will just put the extra stuff between the spoilers.

I was checking the warnings posts and noticed that http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=112184.msg1534077#msg1534077 thought I was going to quit mugen/the forums which is wrong ( and Iced reinforced that , which again is wrong, I think it's not on purpose but is part of the misunderstandings too), I am going to keep visiting and I am going to keep working on my game, just yesterday I spent a few hours working on my game actually.

Lately, I have been on a short fuse the reasons are there, if you don't care why or don't want to break the flow just skip the spoiler.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

so, i decided to take a break from posting, hence the change to "vacations" in my nickname (no, it was not gone or quit) and the reason why I decided to stop posting/diminish it for a bi, since using that nick name I  only posted twice, one was in vans' prewip topic and the other was in the random topic.

In the vans topic I added the "I might sound like an asshole part" because the post was not so much as to give vans a new wip but to talk about a wip vans, me and another creator share so we could decide who was gonna finish/make it and i continued that post privately via messenger.

In the random topic it was a psot about driving there I just posted on how corruption is what runs on my city (if not country), and here is where the misunderstanding comes. valodim posted something about flags mods, he was talking about country flags as I learned later, but as I, again have been on a shortfuse and he posted right after me I understood it as a "flag users posts as negative" mod since those are used in a few other forums I frequent, so i tought valodim joined the "hate E" bandwagon hence why I started deleting my posts, later I learned that valodim was talking about something different so I think I will try asking about restoring the postts, if not possible I can always repost, sicne i had already saved the posts that were of interest to me in that subforum anyway.

Reading the previous discussion in this topic, yeah, lately I have not been enjoying the forums as much as I used to before, and for some reason poking the ocasional user has always been mildly amusing and I  admit i have been doing so too often lately ( which might explain why some peopel reacted like they did to the diepod incident and made it a bigger deal than me and diepod did) and as walt said I plan to cut down on/ avoid poking other users and try to enjoy the forums like I used to do before, probably posting a bit more on the development parts of the forum and use a similar posting style to the one I use in as.

some extra info about the incidents on me mentioned (probably only useful to zilla, the  people involved and some mods)
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

tl;dr version of the whole post
I am not quitting mugen or the forums, I just took a one week break to think on how I can go back to enjoy posting without pissing off other people, I am not making excuses as I acted like an asshole to some guys and I will try to avoid that in the future.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on March 12, 2012, 04:09:24 pm
That's bad, I know what it feels (especially about family stuff and "sensitive" people on forums), I hope you can recovery of all of that soon and all this misunderstanding can be solved, too, so you can get back with your projects and stuff.

You get my total support, [E] ;) if you want, we can talk via messenger (I've to reuse that)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: LM_MAVERIK on March 12, 2012, 04:20:07 pm
speaking for myself only.....I personally didnt need an explanation about your close encounters with me since i honestly had no problem with you "poking or insulting me" or anyone else who may have been, because the truth be told; it gave me a excuse to tear into someone in a heated debated for the sake of a good laugh. Up until recently I have actually been searching for fights and was willing to instigate it with snide comments.... which is a problem i need to fix about myself both here and in reality. I was a massive dick too.

as for the agreeing with what I say and not wanting to support my stance. again that is cool there were many who supported my view but few who supprted my approach. I could have named dropped them into the arguments but I chose to leave them out.  I'm not really the kind of guy that wants support unless its wip feedback. I've never really been that type of guy

thats my view on the whole heel maverik vs [E] vs the world saga.


Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 12, 2012, 04:51:47 pm
speaking for myself only.....I personally didnt need an explanation about your close encounters with me since i honestly had no problem with you "poking or insulting me" or anyone else who may have been, because the truth be told; it gave me a excuse to tear into someone in a heated debated for the sake of a good laugh. Up until recently I have actually been searching for fights and was willing to instigate it with snide comments.... which is a problem i need to fix about myself both here and in reality. I was a massive dick too.

as for the agreeing with what I say and not wanting to support my stance. again that is cool there were many who supported my view but few who supprted my approach. I could have named dropped them into the arguments but I chose to leave them out.  I'm not really the kind of guy that wants support unless its wip feedback. I've never really been that type of guy

thats my view on the whole heel maverik vs [E] vs the world saga.

yeah, don't worry about it maverik I also am not a person who keeps grudges, I have gotten into huger fights in the past and have don't have any bad feelings remaining form them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 12, 2012, 05:07:10 pm
Sad to hear about your personal life problems, I google translated your nick to see what it meant and it gave me "gone" so I thought that was what you were going for.

Do you want your posts undeleted ? Thats easy to do and will probably only take me( or someone else)  a while.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 12, 2012, 05:54:26 pm
yeah, thanks;  already asked valodim via pm, too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 12, 2012, 05:59:22 pm
I dont think i missed anything, but check it out and tell me later on.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 12, 2012, 06:11:10 pm
i am glad you didn't leave us e!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 12, 2012, 07:01:47 pm
Sorry to hear about your difficulties; I hope things get better real soon! :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 12, 2012, 07:02:22 pm
I have to admit, that was very mature of you, [E], and I gained a lot of respect back.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 12, 2012, 07:03:37 pm
Same. I'm sorry for some of the things I said; that weekend was rough for me altogether, and I can see why you'd be quick to react as well after gaining some insight.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 12, 2012, 07:28:51 pm
It happens to the best of us [E]

I am glad you are going to stick around and hope things can balance out a bit for you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 13, 2012, 03:43:46 pm
thanks for the words of support y'all.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 13, 2012, 04:32:36 pm
Nice to see you back.

I would give you my sister's number but she is a little old for yuo.

Welcome back man.  ;D
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on March 13, 2012, 04:41:33 pm
Do you even know what's going on? I don't think you know what's going on.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 13, 2012, 04:49:35 pm
Nope! I mean there isn't threads one could read and shit. No I got word on chat because you know how us girls love to gossip. Not that I really know no... But it is easy to know because it is the same thing that always happens.

First a known user does something someone doesn't like. Second his friends chime in and there is a debate. Then someone gets a wild hair up their ass and decides that it is time to make an example. Said user was being a jerk but no more than usual so other jump in and sides of debate switch up support back in forth for awhile. Someone quits or leaves for awhile and then comes back then everything is right in the world. The usual chain of events.

Then the person who was accused of being an ass goes back to doing what they always did before but at first is nicer but in a few months they return to their usual self and then maybe we start all over.

Meanwhile, less liked people pull the same shit and they get the hammer.

In this case though, you guys were barking up the wrong tree. [E] is harmless usually and I would have jumped in but there were plenty of others that made that point and did a good job.

That and I couldn't resist misspelling and making a pedo joke at the end
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 13, 2012, 04:51:32 pm
Nice to see you're not leaving [E].
Good luck with all your IRL stuff. It's tough, but hopefully all will get fine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 13, 2012, 04:53:59 pm
Let's debate about Shamrock then make him an example! ;P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 13, 2012, 04:56:06 pm
You need to go back in time man lol, been done to death already lol.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on March 13, 2012, 06:31:53 pm
Doesn't hurt to do it some more.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 14, 2012, 10:50:13 am
You need to go back in time man lol, been done to death already lol.
Yeah Shamrocking isn't fun anymore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 23, 2012, 07:03:41 am
I don't agree with Maverik being permabanned. Even though he had an annoying holier than thou attitude, he was actually tolerable when people weren't trying to get a reaction out of him or trying to make him react more during a battle (I'm looking at people like Rednavi right now). Would a shorter, say 2 week to one month ban be a little better? Sure. He does need time to calm down a bit. However, since a lot of this came from antagonization from others (or worsening in some cases), I feel that a permaban is more than what needs to be done here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on March 23, 2012, 07:09:55 am
Come on man, you and I are friends but Maverik no longer had any respect for anyone in this community, from the leechers to the palette makers to the spriters and coders all the way to the mods and administrators. He was given a chance by Iced to stop acting that way after a 10-day ban, he said he would stop and then after a little bit he went right back to it. He was given plenty of chances. Maybe I'm somewhat biased, although I think I was doing a pretty good job of ignoring him. Frankly, I hope it sticks so that I won't have to anymore, and because he's not going to change. He shit all over every hard-working person on this site and in this community as a whole.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 23, 2012, 07:13:24 am
From what I've read he's temporarily quitting for an indefinite amount of time until things "die down". I know of all of the chances he got. I know about what led up to this. However it could have been a 3 month or so ban before it was actually permanent. I hate to bring this example up, but look at the volzzilla thing. He never received a permaban when he and I were feuding, but in the end it all turned out OK and we set aside our issues. Am I expecting the same thing to happen here? No. However, I feel I'm quite opinionated on this subject and I think that something could change down the line, but not with how things are going right now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on March 23, 2012, 07:20:49 am
No one antagonized him. He blew things out of proportion because he couldn't accept that his Sub Zero has a snake body and some crab legs.

He's twisted legitimate feedback countless times and he's an overall problematic person with a lot of ego problems. He's presented insults that children don't even use nowadays. He's conducted himself with childish motives and behaviors by making it his objective to cause problems in other people's threads who he thought were against him.

What did Seanaltly and CVSBN do to him? Nothing at all.

You think that all of sudden, after about a month or so, everyone decided it was pick on Maverik Day? I don't think so, he decided it was be an asshole day and he got the inevitable response from people.

He said he didn't respect anyone on this site and that he didn't care about what anyone says, yet he still posted his work on this site where people of this site post. How much sense does that make? He thought that because he didn't care about this place that he could be a jerk to the people here, which is flawed logic. If you don't like a place of which you don't have to be, then the most rational thing to do is leave. He stayed. So now he's been forcibly kicked out.

There's really no debating this. He's not going to change. He said he would not do this anymore and he gave his word. What good is a person without their word? He's a lying troublemaker with a ridiculous amount of mental and ego problems. Again, there is no debating his banishment.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sima Shi on March 23, 2012, 07:27:09 am
why Perma banned Maverik?! Man that aint fair at all...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on March 23, 2012, 07:29:08 am
Yes, it is fair.

Look how good my argument is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on March 23, 2012, 08:07:26 am
keep him banned

christ it's like some of you have a hard-on for that retard
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 09:17:37 am
Too bad Maverik went ape shit again. :( I had seen improvement over the past few weeks, and he had responded positively and in a civil manner to critics and feedback to his work... Oh well.

At least there's improvement, he went from :
Quote
me and bleed have different styles But I could easily emulate that style too.
to :
bleed is fucking awesome.......he is like a super saiyan compared to me. no problem their. bleed is better then me period

Maybe in a few years he'll be able to acknowledge that Balthazar, Diepod, Chamat, Steamboy, Rolento, Rikard, Silencer, walt and many others are better than him.

But hey, guess we'll never know since he's permabanned lolol.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on March 23, 2012, 09:22:04 am
It's because those people apparently believe there was "some good left in him" or whatever dramatic movie/anime stuff they were going on about when it happened the last time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 09:25:30 am
He's like the Vegeta of MugenGuild. He wants to show he's strong and badass, that he's the Prince of Mugen, but he always ends up getting his ass kicked by Carot and all the vilains. But Carot and the others know there's good in him, somewhere.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 23, 2012, 11:10:58 am
Damn.

I was hoping to ban Maverick and get the action sequence with gun blasts and explosions that I always wanted. :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on March 23, 2012, 11:15:46 am
Yes, it is fair.

Look how good my argument is.

Whoa. I had no idea this was going on as I usually follow only a few threads. Seincat makes some very valid points, and I agree.

He's like the Vegeta of MugenGuild. He wants to show he's strong and badass, that he's the Prince of Mugen, but he always ends up getting his ass kicked by Carot and all the vilains. But Carot and the others know there's good in him, somewhere.

And this is what happens to people who work on one particular character for too long.  ;P

And somewhat related yet pertaining to a different person, Super Dragon Blade is downright annoying. I had to lay down some wordage due to him spiraling out of rambling control. Check out his "Which Soul Calibur characters do you want to be made for Mugen" poll. The dude/kid is an idiot.


Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 23, 2012, 12:05:46 pm
OG: There is a massive difference between respecting people and being civil to them. You do not have to respect someone to be civil. There are tons of people in this community i don't respect, but i won't be a COCK to them either.

Maverik was free to not respect anyone as much as he liked. But he decided "I do not respect you" was the same as "Fuck you assholes" and it's not. And this is where a good batch of the problem lay. If he wants to hate peoples work, fine. If he wants to believe he's better than everyone else, he's entitled to do so. What he's not entitled to do is wander round the forum espousing this fact in other peoples threads while stating he doesn't care about anyone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 23, 2012, 12:29:04 pm
Well in short, I agree with Rajaa. I agree with a permaban. Especially if this was not the first time that his arrogance, easily-bruised ego, and lack of respect for the community got the better of him.

Out of curiosity, did he even made a SINGLE character and release it to the community? Because I do not recall him doing that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 23, 2012, 12:32:49 pm
He did. And when people voted for his character in COTM, another sad episode ensued.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 23, 2012, 12:37:27 pm
Interesting, where is his character?

On another note, releasing a few characters does not mean that you are better than everyone. Heck, I still think people like POTS, SeanAlty, and others still do more for the community.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 12:40:16 pm
His character was seized by the FBI.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 01:55:43 pm
I already relieved the contents of my bowels on you. Now i'd just be beating on a paralytic in a wheel chair if this continue.

you are currently experiencing a condition called anus inflamatus. sometimes referred to as "arse hurt" feels like you got a knife up your shitter titlin dont it lol... dont worry its a common virus that normally follows after trying to fuck around with maverik


no titlin i said you had contracted queerus we are dumb fucks spamming this site for ten yearsus its a condition that anyone can get. if they kiss arse too to a member of the same sex.... much like you are doing with cvsb and sean


at least I "seem like an idiot" you are a fucking idiot. I have diagnosed you with a condition called imbecilus Retardus. My left testicle has a bigger brain then you.

If I cared WOULD I SAY THE THINGS I DO?. and truth be told what I say isnt a lie either its true.


i can literally pick someones work at random to compare with mine and the results would be laughable. honestly this too easy for me. I dont even want to do this right now.

hose are as good as your getting. not happy? then go back to something far worse then what I produce should I provide examples again? I could literally pick one at random.


and still they looks better  then anything created by the best part of this community..........


------

Person man and Jmorphman werent hazing him, neither was gbk. Any reaction he had to criticism tended to escalate until he was pulling off comparisons with others and claiming he shat on them.  I dont think how some of you think this is a reasonable professional behaviour. Anyone acting like that in a studio would have had that person sacked.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 02:24:16 pm
While you're at it, don't forget to make it so he can't modify his profile nor delete or modify any of his posts, in case he still has the ability to do that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 23, 2012, 02:36:40 pm
His character was seized by the FBI.

Wait, character and not characters.

He only released only one character here and he thought that he contributed more to the Guild then anyone?

That is really sad.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sima Shi on March 23, 2012, 02:47:03 pm
^

and some few of the stages he released idk he release a stage more than 1 or 2
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 02:48:24 pm
whatever he released. doesnt justify at all his behaviour. Even if he was the best of the best that kind of attitude would be shitty.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 23, 2012, 02:55:00 pm
whatever he released. doesnt justify at all his behaviour. Even if he was the best of the best that kind of attitude would be shitty.

That is a given.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on March 23, 2012, 03:09:37 pm
The worst part was how you could switch "then" with "than" in his posts and round-robin "they're" "there" and "their", and that would yield at least a 20% increase in grammar correctness :_blank::goi:

and no, I don't have anything of value to say on the subject.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 03:38:11 pm
Even if he was the best of the best that kind of attitude would be shitty.
Which is clearly not the case anyway. Sort these out by quality lol :

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y190/montyoum/Miku.png)(http://i.imgur.com/JPC5H.gif)
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd155/GM123456/Scorp_final.gif)(http://ahrimanes.mgbr.net/wp-content/uploads/20.gif)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on March 23, 2012, 03:39:49 pm
I like you Cybaster, but I think we get the point :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 03:44:44 pm
But I've been behaving with him for several weeks... :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 23, 2012, 04:02:35 pm
I don't agree with Maverik being permabanned. Even though he had an annoying holier than thou attitude, he was actually tolerable when people weren't trying to get a reaction out of him or trying to make him react more during a battle (I'm looking at people like Rednavi right now). Would a shorter, say 2 week to one month ban be a little better? Sure. He does need time to calm down a bit. However, since a lot of this came from antagonization from others (or worsening in some cases), I feel that a permaban is more than what needs to be done here.
No one was doing that this time. I certainly wasn't. I gave him some feedback that he was free to ignore, but he instead turned it into a personal issue. Saying that I was only doing this cause I "had a nasty run in with [me] before and [he was] certain that [I was] still sore after that. who wouldnt be". I didn't even know what he was talking about at first, it was something to do with only white people fucking horses and commiting genocide or something that really wasn't that big of a deal but apparently I held a HUGE GRUDGE on Maverik over it. (hint: no I didn't). So then he goes into my wip thread and tries to get back at me by insulting my sprites. The only problem with that strategy was I didn't go apeshit about it and instead accepted his criticism politely, and promised to work on it. He left the thread alone after that. But while he was doing that, he was also going into other people's threads and insulting their work. And that's not someone who should stay in the community. He's already been banned before over stuff like this and he's proven he won't change because he doesn't think he did anything wrong (how could he? HE IS A GOD). So he's gone for good.

good riddance
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 23, 2012, 04:18:23 pm
Allow me to clear my stance up a bit:
- No, I am not saying "Free Maverik" or anything of the sort. I do agree that he needs time in the cooler.
- What I *am* saying is that 3 months would've worked. He has stated on MI that he's going on "indefinite hiatus" until he feels that things have died down a bit.

Maybe it's the fact that I deal with Skulltag's moderation system more than here, I dunno. I didn't want people to think I'm trying to free him or saying he's done nothing wrong. I do agree that it was his fault here. I'm not saying this whole saga was caused by everyone else; he did bring a lot of this on himself. However, for one example, check the Recycle Bin; there's at least one post by Anjel and one by KOD (AFAIK) both trying to further it.
Spoiler: The system there is, (click to see content)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 04:24:17 pm
The only time you're truly banned is if you [...] are completely intolerable
Seems like it's the case, to most people anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 04:25:04 pm
that system sounds fucking stupid
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 23, 2012, 04:34:23 pm
Is he ip banned or just his account ?

Because when a popular site bans an ip it gets sent to a worldwide black list, when using programs like outlook to send an email it immedaitely gets classified as spam, file sharing sites such as mediafire and megaupload also throtle their bandwidth to a minimum and disconnect often because they also have joined the anti spam crusade. Even facebook and twitter add several minutes of delay to the publications made by those banned ips because they have to be approved first by their indian moderators.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zero-Sennin on March 23, 2012, 04:38:48 pm
I personally feel, after having watched some of what Mav was saying, that in three months he probably would have just come back to pull the same old crap.

I know people were messing with him before, and that was wrong on their part, but there are plenty of times where he was just reacting to innocuous things the wrong way, and it wasn't something he appeared to be actively working on changing.

In this particular case, he was pretty much asking for what he got, and three months wouldn't have done anything to improve his disposition unless he seriously reconsidered his behavior. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 23, 2012, 04:52:01 pm
Let's unban Maverick after 3 months. If he cools down he stays. If he doesn't we ban him and Gill forever. :ball:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on March 23, 2012, 04:55:05 pm
However, for one example, check the Recycle Bin; there's at least one post by Anjel and one by KOD (AFAIK) both trying to further it.

I never made a single post in that thread


maybe you should shut the fuck up right now and stop making a complete fool of yourself by making a big deal out of nothing
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on March 23, 2012, 04:55:58 pm
Let's unban Maverick after 3 months. If he cools down he stays. If he doesn't we ban him and Gill forever. :ball:

good luck with your future endeavors gill
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on March 23, 2012, 04:59:58 pm
it's also not like no permaban has ever been lifted. politely requesting to be unbanned after some time goes a long way, for example.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rote Zaungast on March 23, 2012, 05:06:20 pm
about fucking time

^please no, unless his painfully autismal idea of talking shit becomes world class shit talking, never ever consider that
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 05:12:09 pm
I never made a single post in that thread
and anjel's post in that thread was like a month ago and it was deleted. pretty shitty examples
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 23, 2012, 05:18:32 pm
He has been flamebaited in the past but in this most recent incident, he was not. This was nobody's fault but his own.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on March 23, 2012, 05:21:45 pm
ok I think we established at this point that his ban was well deserved. let's talk about this again in a few months or something :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on March 23, 2012, 05:36:50 pm
Let's unban Maverick after 3 months. If he cools down he stays. If he doesn't we ban him and Gill forever. :ball:

The only reason I agree with this is because of his Grey Fox character. I want it.  ;D

ok I think we established at this point that his ban was well deserved. let's talk about this again in a few months or something :)

I stand corrected!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 23, 2012, 06:37:57 pm
Wow this thread is much better.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 06:48:49 pm
then please tell me who these horrible criminals that should've been permabanned yet are still posting are
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 23, 2012, 06:53:53 pm
Wow this thread is much better than everyone PMing the mods and then going on IRC to bitch about the one mod that someone talked to in a PM.

Should have done this a long time ago.

2 cents =
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Most importantly, this guy attacked creators and creations directly, instead of the usual fuck orochi gill stuff that happens in the all that's left.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on March 23, 2012, 07:06:02 pm
Here I was thinking I piss people off.

I just feel I should set the record straight an apologise for that Ingrid character I insulted.

I think it was created by Crazy Koopa so I owe him the apology.

It isn't fair to insult characters simply based on their original source.

In retrospect I was just insulting the creator in a roundabout way and I don't feel good about doing such a thing to the guy.

Just wanted to get out their and I feel this is as good a place as any.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on March 23, 2012, 07:19:41 pm
then please tell me who these horrible criminals that should've been permabanned yet are still posting are
I am! :twisted:

Anyways I heard from somewhere that Maverick wants all of his post history and threads to be deleted from this forum and that he is quiting from mugen and that he won't continue or share his creations...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 23, 2012, 07:37:39 pm
then please tell me who these horrible criminals that should've been permabanned yet are still posting are

Well a number of people on the spilling over thing. I remember porn bombs not being permaban worthy, JZ did that abortion thing to my profile when I was using his image at an avatar, Ash got how many chances?

Those are just off the top of my head.

I mean Titlin do you honestly think that the mods and especially you are consistent in handing out bans? It is subjective as fuck and that is why I say Gill may have a point. You guys have given others chance after chance, and Val's (Paraphrasing), "well he can always beg to come back after time has passed" is something that happens sometimes, but really it shouldn't be the norm.

Again, simply based on the fact that I don't see 10 to 12 fight threads happening and spilling out, should give one a pause about permaban.

I know you don't want to admit to the subjectivity and bias that mods have, but we all did it and is why many don't ban people you have argued with or have a bias against. What I am talking about is the fairness of standards in the bans themselves. Others have more chances and again that is why Gill has a point. He isn't saying the guy didn't fuck up and that something should be done, he is saying that what was done is to0 harsh, and I tend to agree with him because others in the past have been given less for more.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 07:48:33 pm
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It is subjective as fuck and that is why I say Gill may have a point.
Assuming there have indeed been inconsistencies, no, Gill doesn't have a point. Yes, the rules are different for everyone. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Maverik doesn't deserve as many chances as he got, there's no way you could question his ban. Gill's main point is that he thinks 3 months should be enough ; as far as I'm concerned I'm 100% convinced it's not, it wouldn't make any difference until Maverik grows capable of reconsidering his entire life.
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I don't see 10 to 12 fight threads happening and spilling out
You're clearly not looking hard enough. I stick to the gaming sections and on far between occasions the WIP and Mugen discussion sections, and I've easily seen big fights with him that were happening in completely different sections. The reason those fights stick to some release, WIP and Graphic sections is simply that Maverik himself seldom goes to any other section, and he targets people he gets pissed at, so of course he doesn't go in completely unrelated sections to drag fights with people that aren't there. The reason you don't see those fights is only that it just so happens that you go to the sections he doesn't go to, and vice-versa. But it doesn't make it any better.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 23, 2012, 07:50:09 pm
Well a number of people on the spilling over thing. I remember porn bombs not being permaban worthy, JZ did that abortion thing to my profile when I was using his image at an avatar, Ash got how many chances?

Those are just off the top of my head.

I mean Titlin do you honestly think that the mods and especially you are consistent in handing out bans? It is subjective as fuck and that is why I say Gill may have a point. You guys have given others chance after chance, and Val's (Paraphrasing), "well he can always beg to come back after time has passed" is something that happens sometimes, but really it shouldn't be the norm.

Again, simply based on the fact that I don't see 10 to 12 fight threads happening and spilling out, should give one a pause about permaban.

I know you don't want to admit to the subjectivity and bias that mods have, but we all did it and is why many don't ban people you have argued with or have a bias against. What I am talking about is the fairness of standards in the bans themselves. Others have more chances and again that is why Gill has a point. He isn't saying the guy didn't fuck up and that something should be done, he is saying that what was done is to0 harsh, and I tend to agree with him because others in the past have been given less for more.
The guys you mentioned were probably banned only once.

Maverick was banned for a few days, and said he would chill, only to do the same shit again. That's the only reason he's permabanned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 07:51:15 pm
I remember porn bombs not being permaban worthy
i don't know what this is about
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JZ did that abortion thing to my profile when I was using his image at an avatar
i don't know what this is about either but i figure he stopped when we asked him to??
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Ash got how many chances?
several, but he wasn't being as big of a shithead as maverik was being. and he's still permabanned

maverik is someone that got several warnings without being banned, staff spent plenty of time trying to show him what he was doing wrong, eventually got banned, his ban expired and now he started doing the same shit again. he displayed that everything we tried to talk to him about was a waste of time. his venomous YALL IS SHIT! IM DA BES attitude regarding the community is far worse in the long run than someone posting goatse or jesuszilla doing that profile thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 23, 2012, 07:56:27 pm
 Byakko has a point thought, some are hopeless, the question to you guys is.... Is he truly hopeless or did you lose patience?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on March 23, 2012, 08:00:31 pm
I don't think Maverick should be banned forever. I think he should be banned just for a little amount of time until he has a better behavior. I say like 10 or 20 years :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on March 23, 2012, 08:01:30 pm
I agree guys, make a compromise and ban him for 20 years only.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 08:06:01 pm
some are hopeless, the question to you guys is.... Is he truly hopeless or did you lose patience?
Those fights have happened over the course of several months (and that's just what I've seen), with several people, with bans inbetween, over petty shit of various nature (the quality of his work, his opinion on random stuff, his attitude, his knowledge on facts of life, his attempts to "help" people...) (they all pointed back to his view on life that goes like this : "I'm a god") As several staff members have said, a lot of different people have tried in several ways to explain to him that he was doing something very wrong.
Everybody ended up with the same conclusion - fuck it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 23, 2012, 08:10:11 pm
Meh good bye then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 08:14:32 pm
the sonic39262-type bad poster isn't anywhere as harmful to the community as someone like da maverik is. they're just dumb.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on March 23, 2012, 08:22:39 pm
Is he truly hopeless or did you lose patience?

someone owes the staff a damn medal for the amount of patience we showed when dealing with maverik

i am legitimately shocked he lasted as long as he did
people who aren't maverik would have been kicked for less in an instant
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 08:25:07 pm
Does that mean he was a good troll and he made you think he was worth something :???:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on March 23, 2012, 09:03:33 pm
I wanted to see what all the fuss was about and I have to say he was an self-centred egotistical prick and deserved what he got.

His work was alright but in the time I've been around Mugen I've seen at least 100 far better creators.

The digs at Seanalty were unnecessary too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 10:00:56 pm
then please tell me who these horrible criminals that should've been permabanned yet are still posting are

Well a number of people on the spilling over thing. I remember porn bombs not being permaban worthy, JZ did that abortion thing to my profile when I was using his image at an avatar, Ash got how many chances?

Those are just off the top of my head.


Jz i remember, several people mimicked his avatar and sig, oz deleted jango thread because he looked at it and it looked like a bunch of jzs just posting stuff one after the other. Jz started accusing him of being personist.
Shamrock mimicked the avatar like all the others did, jz had them all remove the avatars and then replaced it with an abortion picture.
Got banned for a while.

The porn bomb was sion and kfm doing, someone announced a castlevania full game here, they replaced it with a porn bomb, kfm in his usually classyness claimed it was well deserved. It also helped in kfm getting perma eventually.

Shamrock, I believe you havent really followed any of the threads involving mav.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 23, 2012, 10:08:24 pm
Jz started accusing him of being personist.
The word "personist" is literally the dumbest thing I've heard of all day.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 23, 2012, 10:15:46 pm
No Iced I have only paid mild attention to his posts and I have been absent for a while.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 10:18:07 pm
The porn bomb was sion and kfm doing, someone announced a castlevania full game here, they replaced it with a porn bomb, kfm in his usually classyness claimed it was well deserved.
Uh, that's not what I remember. The link was picked up by a few particular people, so they redirected that link to a random place. Someone here posted that link, and it just happened to end up on a porn bomb site (freezing the computer with porn-related popups). Not exactly what you're implying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 10:20:59 pm
yeah it wasn't a porn bomb, it was a site with a bunch of popups or something. it was a bad thing either way
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 10:22:39 pm
Serio, not sion

http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=66440.msg1032243#msg1032243


And I know what happened, they demanded that it wasnt linked by people in the guild, it got linked so they replaced the link with a popup porn bomb on purpose. That was the term used back then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 10:39:47 pm
Wrong, again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 10:43:57 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=86957.0;all
serio didn't want it announced in the mugen community. the game was announced in guild, serio made it so any clicks to the site coming from mugen guild would redirect to last measure. last measure is a bad thing. i don't see how iced is wrong unless you're nitpicking on the term "porn bomb"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 10:47:47 pm
maybe he prefers the term they used "Last measure".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 10:50:27 pm
The topic you link to clearly states the redirection was supposed to be to one single "gross out pic". This is still not anything like what you guys are saying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 23, 2012, 10:54:03 pm
Byakko, I clicked the link to see what the report was about and within seconds my browser opened 50 sites and kept doing it. I had to shut down the browser with task manger.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 10:55:08 pm
I'm not talking about how you're calling the result "porn bomb", I'm talking about what Iced is saying - that it was deliberate, that they went "let's make a porn bomb and spread a virus" and such. Again, they planned to redirect to one site with a single image. It did end up in a "porn bomb" and it did give people like you a pretty bad scare, but Iced is (not a surprise) transforming facts.
Anyway, that example did end up in a ban :P
On another note, generally speaking (not talking about that particular example but in response to the point you were making), a single action that follows a series of events may not be judged the same way as a slightly smaller but persistent behavior (except in the case of a virus or hacking, of course).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 10:59:20 pm
dont be daft.

A virus has been detected, niggers.pln. etc, detected as malware, worm, installed on the site recently, jango called my attention to click it.

Whilst redirecting to a series of gross images from PAIN/LM.

Good going there, extremely mature and conscious.
BRAVO , BRAVO.


What it was supposed to be and what it actually was is pretty irrelevant, it was picked up as malware, it was justified by the rs crew ( and jz) as being the way to go and it was a really stupid thing to do.

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Uh, that's not what I remember. The link was picked up by a few particular people, so they redirected that link to a random place. Someone here posted that link, and it just happened to end up on a porn bomb site (freezing the computer with porn-related popups). Not exactly what you're implying.
It wasnt an accident where the page was redirected to a random place and it JUST SO HAPPENED to go into a porn bomb site.


It ended up with bans anyway so what example shamrock wanted to give was valid. Maverik behaviour was a more persistent repeating one. Although not as gross.


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Iced is, not a surprise, transforming facts.
You are a riot, also a riot, the stupidest crew that ever tried to dominate and destroy communities you used to be part of.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 11:01:25 pm
What it was supposed to be and what it actually was is pretty irrelevant
No, it's exactly what I'm talking about. I'm specifically responding to your post where you acted like it was planned out this way. I'm saying you're wrong, it wasn't. I'm not denying what happened as a result. Don't be stupid and holding grudges.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 11:03:54 pm
The whole purpose of using last measure is making that kind of stuff, Last measure IS malware.  How can you say it wasnt intended to be malware when using malware.Maybe serio didnt know it was malware? Then why was he laughing it up and claiming it was easy to troll "us fags"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 11:11:40 pm
You're looking at the end result and drawing assumptions on the cause. Stop that. You want to know the answer ? Ask them instead of curling up here and holding it in the back of your mind for years. I promise I'll back off if you do and they confirm what you say.
Then why was he laughing it up and claiming it was easy to troll "us fags"
Maybe simply because it was a redirection triggered by the referrer ? I'm not saying that's what it was, but you're making assumptions, and I only need to prove the possibility of the opposite.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 23, 2012, 11:13:03 pm
How do you defend an incident like that so stoically
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 11:14:19 pm
What are you talking about ? What am I defending, according to you ? And what makes you think, from what I said, that I'm defending the action of spreading malwares and virii to dozens of people who have nothing to do with the matter ? Because I'm not.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 11:21:33 pm
you are doing it byakko, your  way of adressing it is ridiculously stoic.
all the posts on that thread have the info people assume to be reality, their OWN declarations about it, while you go like "YOu better ask them otherwise you are just assuming!!"


I dont have to do shit for horrid tiny people that spent the last five years being horrible to each other. They dont deserve the benefit of even a polite hi from anyone here, that "TROLL U FAGS" post is enough to know that no one there deserved said benefit when they wouldnt do the same for others.

You are looking at an incident where someone released a popup porn bomb because they didnt want their stuff released , then taunted the boards they released it on and you aregoing like "you guys acting as if you know everything going on! Iced is transforming facts again! Just because they were talking about trolling you guys at the same time it doesnt mean really what it means!"
You are being ignorant on purpose, and for some reason im even letting you try to redraw the whole thing over a somewhat heroic perspective.  Stupid me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 23, 2012, 11:24:28 pm
Argh.

The original intent was to have people go to a junk site, suggested in chat by Jango. The fact that it turned into something else (porn, malware etc), and is probably worse now than it was then was not their intent.

Ok, that's the only bit Byakko is talking about. Them coming in defending the mistake is not the issue here and does this REALLY need to be argued about in this thread?

I wasn't even visiting their chat at this point but that was the story as i heard it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 11:27:10 pm
you are doing it byakko, your  way of adressing it is ridiculously stoic.
What ? Are you stupid or something ? I'm asking where I'm defending the spreading of malwares and such, and you answer to me is "you're being stoic" ? Are you serious ?? (edit - and you get mad at me when I'm not stoic anyway, so make up your mind about it, bro :P)
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their OWN declarations about it
I am reading their own declaration about it in that link above and I read it was supposed to be "a gross pic". This is completely different from what you are saying. So yeah, you are lying.

I am NOT defending people who knowingly spread malwares to people who have nothing to do with anything. I DO NOT condone that. Stop saying that. I despise the act of harming innocent bystanders.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 11:39:56 pm
they used last measure , they admit to it, they then claim its easy trolling US FAGS
This is last measure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Nigger_Association_of_America

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The GNAA uses several methods of trolling. One method involves flooding weblogs with a massive amount of repeated words and phrases, referred to as "crapflooding".[8][9] They have also produced shock sites containing malware.[9] One such site, "Last Measure", contains malware that opens up pop-up windows containing shocking pictures.[10] On Wikipedia, members of the group created a page about themselves, while adhering to every rule of Wikipedia, essentially using the system against itself.[7]


So they used last measure, a malware program. that delivers shocking images of sex and gore.

JEEZ its almost like you are being a dumbass on purpose.
They intended to use last measure and used it , then taunted people, I havent said a lie, but you can continue living in your fantasy world where somehow this means im stupid because i cant tell the difference between "intending to use a junk site " and "using a shock  gore site and taunting people about it"

well seeya! you can keep trying to defend it all you want, or "not defend it but upholding the truth" as you would call it.
Dont bother answering
Jesus h christ , cant see something about years ago without running to try to defend it, no matter how wrong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on March 23, 2012, 11:44:29 pm
Oh my God J.C. a PORN BOMB!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2012, 11:47:19 pm
You keeping naming Last Measure, please explain why. I can't find any mention of it except in Jango's post who talks about a mistaken amalgam (FROM YOU).
I'm STILL not defending the usage of a site that spreads malware. You're STILL saying that I do. I've already told you several times right here to stop doing that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 11:57:29 pm
iced said "A virus has been detected, niggers.pln. etc, detected as malware, worm, installed on the site recently" and jesuszilla corrected him saying "last measure is none of that". what shamrock described was last measure. last measure is detected by antivirus software which is why iced posted that virus warning. it was more than likely last measure or something similar. serio probably said "i just wanted them to see a gross pic" when the reports about viruses (people assuming it was a virus because their antivirus blocked the site) started to appear. anybody using last measure knows what it does and it's absolutely not just a gross picture.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 24, 2012, 12:09:03 am
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serio probably said "i just wanted them to see a gross pic
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anybody using last measure knows what it does and it's absolutely not just a gross picture.
Okay.
Don't mix up the end result and the original redirection. The process you just described still adds up to a redirection of a redirection that ended up with Last Measure.
The end result, Last Measure, was bad. The only thing I'm saying since the beginning is that it might not have originally been that, and that fits with what I heard at the time (this is also comforted by Cyanide's post above). Again, the only one I've seen saying "they intended it to be that from the beginning" is Iced, with a confusion around comments from Jesuszilla and Jango.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 24, 2012, 12:14:50 am
Yeah, sorry about that, i remembered a J.

Anyway. What got them banned was the reaction afterwards. Not the redirect itself. And that was piled onto loads of other stuff beforehand which is all OLD NOW AND NOT EVEN WORTH THIS TEXT.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 24, 2012, 12:17:05 am
im taking more issue with you claiming im lying and manufacturing facts when what im saying is what happened, and what you are saying is "well they didnt intended for that to fully happen" and im going "but still when they made it happen they still acted like terrible dicks, and whoever uses last measure knows this shit happens"


also what cyanide said.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 24, 2012, 12:22:43 am
Jesus Christ I take back saying this thread was a good idea.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on March 24, 2012, 12:33:16 am
Yeah, this is completely irrelevant to this thread. Split this tangential conversation into its own thread or just delete.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on March 24, 2012, 12:37:28 am
It's just people reacting to Byakko doing his thing...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 04, 2012, 12:45:53 am
As insufferable as GBK can be, I don't think banning him was necessary. He was contributing to a thread, contributing content that he obviously has a lot of. Should we ban Girard for posting hella gaming news in every thread?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MellyInChains on April 04, 2012, 12:47:25 am
yeah, i don't think gbk is that great of a poster (and he could've handled it a lot better) but banning him for three months for being on-topic is uh
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on April 04, 2012, 12:48:01 am
I think Iced reasons are correct. GBK really post a cosplay pic after anyone posted one, and when iced tried to keep him cool in good manners, he only said "fuck you"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 04, 2012, 12:52:57 am
I think he was banned more for his repeated STFU posts when Iced (mostly) politely reminded him of a thing that upset people and was discussed before.

While I'm talking about this: titiln, I'm a bit annoyed by your constant insulting of people. It makes bans like this which feel justified otherwise weird in the same way posting gimmicks did after you banned navana for it. this is not a new thing, but you really are doing it a lot lately.

Either way three months is too much since it's a wrist slap thing. Make it three days or something...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MellyInChains on April 04, 2012, 12:54:33 am
i didn't see him 'constantly' posting 'stfu' but i guess i wasn't paying attention, that and a lot of other people can get away with telling people to shut the fuck up. again yeah he could've handled it better but i don't see how it was a big deal to begin with. if you banned him for his spamming of his own little 'advice gbk' meme bullshit that's understandable but

ahhh fuck
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 04, 2012, 12:58:23 am
four fuck you to an admin politely reminding him of something, I was going with two months but he said three was the perfect measurement. I will make it 30 days then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 04, 2012, 12:59:20 am
I dunno I thought it was pretty rude of you to continue insinuating him posting cosplay in a cosplay thread was wrong (???) to begin with.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Luis Alejandro on April 04, 2012, 01:01:15 am
While I'm talking about this: titiln, I'm a bit annoyed by your constant insulting of people. It makes bans like this which feel justified otherwise weird in the same way posting gimmicks did after you banned navana for it. this is not a new thing, but you really are doing it a lot lately.
Yea Chris you're doing to much lately. I didnt want to say anything because we are bronies but you are starting to become more like you were when Walt called you out acouple years ago
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 01:02:59 am
I dunno I thought it was pretty rude of you to continue insinuating him posting cosplay in a cosplay thread was wrong (???) to begin with.

i've never really gotten the point of that whole debate myself

though gbk's response was admittedly negative
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 04, 2012, 01:05:10 am
As long as he isn't double, triple, quadra, penta, MONSTER posting, I don't see the problem with it. Which is what I'm getting at.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 04, 2012, 01:09:04 am
he had been warned before about it ( soft warned, not like, banned or anything) when people complained and at those times he stopped.

Now it was just a reminder for him to not start doing that thing again, his reaction is what netted his ban, had he just told me that he thought i was wrong, its not like i wouldve banned him.

Years ago teling a admin to go fuck himself would have them permabanned.I dont think giving him a time out over this is in anyway unjustified.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on April 04, 2012, 01:12:27 am
30 days is still too much :P

hey Iced are you going to ban tempest for all the BS that happened at the screenshots thread as well?  :)

Or titiln for constantly insulting every single possible person around here?  :)

Or yourself for changing my profile???  >:(

Then stfu  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MellyInChains on April 04, 2012, 01:13:01 am
yeah a lot of other people have told others to go fuck themselves and got off scot-free from what i remember so
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 01:13:20 am
point me to the posts in which i'm insulting people for no apparent reason and it's completely uncalled for
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 01:14:37 am
he was by far the main contributor to the thread (i don't really see this as a problem) and occasionally mocked other users' contributions but the whole argument always seemed awkward and contrived

it was never really a black/white issue
it was always kind of muddled/stupid


i can see how he would have been insulted
i can also see that telling an admin to FUCK OFF a couple dozen times is probably not the right course of action
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 04, 2012, 01:19:49 am
point me to the posts in which i'm insulting people for no apparent reason and it's completely uncalled for

that's not a justification. not everyone can judge situations and people as well as you, and when people see it's apparently ok to insult when they feel like it (which is what you are converging to), they will do just that. called for or not, you are making it more socially acceptable to insult people bit by bit.

just tone it down a little.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 01:27:21 am
this may be irrelevant, but i don't think titiln's behavior had to do with gbk's outburst


while i may see more users calling other users, 'idiot, moron, etc.', i would hardly blame titiln for it

of course 'staff should set an example' or what not, and i think everyone understands that

all i'm saying is that, at least in my mind, these two issues are completely unrelated
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Luis Alejandro on April 04, 2012, 01:32:25 am
Oz that's because they are not related.
point me to the posts in which i'm insulting people for no apparent reason and it's completely uncalled for
You are doing that to often.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 04, 2012, 01:34:43 am
I agree on Iced's decision of a slap on the wrist. Iced already made his point on why the banning (  ), I am one of the persons who complained about gbk's habit before because it really makes the topic worse. comparing his posting to girard's news is not apropiate, his ebhaviour is more like having a  "X fighting game" thread , someone posts news on the game, the gbk tells him to shut up and posts a video of his youtube match,  one day later someone posts trying to talk about the game's plot, then gbk call teh game's plto stupid and posts one of his friend's youtube matches... etc.. repeat at infinite until the topic is only about gbk posting youtube videos of his friends playing the game.

[EDIT]
He also started camping in the fanart topic doing the same thing and even complainign to people about fanart credits.

[EDIT]
I am ok with titiln.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on April 04, 2012, 01:39:29 am
point me to the posts in which i'm insulting people for no apparent reason and it's completely uncalled for

that's not what I said >:C

While it is indeed called for most of the times (Well, I wouldn't bet my soul on that honestly) you gotta admit that sometimes you go over the top or the post just doesn't deserve that much attention (Let alone insults and sarcasm).

It's kinda useless when instead of pointing out a flaw in the post all you do is use sarcasm and insult the guys, which depending of the person's experience he either fixes his behavior or just goes into a random flamewar. Heck many times is just you pissing off on other people's likings, we already know your humor sense is "superior japan", we don't need you to remind us about that every time somebody posts something.

And Val beat me to it. To be honest it's the vibe I'm getting from this place since a year or two. I'm pretty sure I'm guilty of this as well (Well, don't remember but I'm sure I get mad a time or two a month? Or just behave like an ass like one of the times where the forum became Da_Maverik vs the world briefly).

And hate wagons don't help the forum's experience. It came to a point where I can totally predict who's going to post after X user bashes somebody else. Makes you "rolleyes" IRL every time that happens.

but whatever, who the hell am I after all? The site wouldn't be that known if it was about all roses and flowers would be?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 01:42:00 am
people complained that titiln was acting too nice about a month or two ago

true story
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 01:42:40 am
i hate that nobody's even trying to bring up any examples. the only recent instances i see are me calling sky a fucking idiot because he was evidently trying to start shit (like he usually does), navana because he was disregarding what several staff members said to him and was being an attention whore in general. i also made fun of alexlexus and his videos because he's been repeatedly told to not post them and his threads end up deleted. told darkflare to stop being a shithead and to shut the fuck up because he was being pedantic about other people's feedback. i'm sorry but i think you're being ridiculous. set up a wordfilter against bad words if it bothers you that much.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 04, 2012, 01:44:52 am
And those are people who the userbase already has a pretty solidified opinion of. No one but themselves are going to make people change their mind's about them.


\\ damn it stop posting so fast I can't get my posts in! >:(

Now that you like ponies, posts are about the only thing you're gonna get in. :3
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 04, 2012, 01:46:34 am
all i'm saying is that, at least in my mind, these two issues are completely unrelated

They are.

I had wanted to bring this up for a while. I'm not blaming titiln for anything, sorry if it came out that way. He's doing a great job, I don't think I have disagreed with any of his decisions since my absence.

I just wish he'd be more polite about it sometimes, and i don't want to call him out in one of these situations (which only distracts from the problematic person he's probably insulting at that point) so I'm doing it here.

\\ damn it stop posting so fast I can't get my posts in! >:(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 01:52:40 am
titiln, I'm a bit annoyed by your constant insulting of people. It makes bans like this which feel justified otherwise weird

ಠ_ಠ

all i'm saying is that titiln's sailor talk doesn't really make gbk's outburst any more justified in my mind
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 01:54:26 am
:|
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MellyInChains on April 04, 2012, 01:55:46 am
titiln, I'm a bit annoyed by your constant insulting of people. It makes bans like this which feel justified otherwise weird

ಠ_ಠ

all i'm saying is that titiln's sailor talk doesn't really make gbk's outburst any more justified in my mind

yeah that makes sense i suppose. then again all i got is 'wow that was kind of silly' about the gbk situation so
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 04, 2012, 02:10:44 am
ok searched for a random example where I found the amount of swearing excessive. wasn't hard to find:
https://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=115031.msg1540505#msg1540505

maybe I'm being conservative about this kinda stuff. it's not about the words themselves, it's about the lack of respect they convey. you can not agree with people or not respect them, but that doesn't make it ok to throw a general level of politeness out of the window.

\\ edit

<- please ignore the pony on the left, not doing a gimmick thing here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 02:17:29 am
i'm sorry that i was being impolite to the character that basically told someone to stop posting their sprites, tried to drive out another poster from that thread by basically making a thread for them (https://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=139547.msg1534300#msg1534300) and is still very rude about other people's works (https://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=115030.msg1548197#msg1548197). i find that kind of behavior far more disruptive than someone saying fuck
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 04, 2012, 02:26:18 am
Read up on the guy I linked, he's kind of a cunt.

Doesn't mean calling him one is going to help the situation.

It's not /that/ big a deal to me either, but just big enough to bring it up while talking about something similar.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 03:12:25 am
i now get the feeling you keep trying to undermine my decisions without having full knowledge of what's going on, as seen in your post in this thread bringing attention to how i'm a terrible swearing monster against every poster or how i'm possibly failing at democracy by abusing my status (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=137290.msg1547338#msg1547338). i don't think this is going to work
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 04, 2012, 04:26:44 am
When I said failed at diplomacy, I meant just that. Diplomacy failed, might be time for less diplomatic measures. I had told navana his gimmick was annoying right before that post. I can see how the added ambiguity could have sounded accusing though, I tend to qualify strong statements (like "fail at diplomacy") when I'm not entirely sure. Wasn't meant that way, and I'm not even sure how you are getting from that to "abusing your status".

I'm pretty sure I never said you were a terrible swearing monster against everyone, and I didn't demand you never use a bad word again. I just wanted to direct your attention at your choice of words for a minute, because I feel you are sometimes provoking people with it, which makes it harder for them to follow good advice because they need to swallow their pride even more.

Said it before, saying it again, it's been a long time since I really disagreed with any of your decisions. You're doing a great job here, and I'm glad to have you. Doesn't help the fact that my mom was a fan of swear jars, so that's the constructive feedback you're going to get from me once in a while, nothing personal about it.

Can I use smileys again now?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 04:58:04 am
please find someone less aggressive
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 05:00:11 am
let's not do this again
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 04, 2012, 05:08:15 am
I dont think anyone less aggressive is needed, titiln is fine at what he does, if anything you could pace yourself more into arguments so that for outside readers it doesnt seem like you go from zero to fuck this shit in one post.
Dont take val observation so strongly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on April 04, 2012, 06:14:41 am
Oh wow, that was a huge overreaction.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 04, 2012, 06:25:44 am
Sean, I think it's best we let this one play itself out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on April 04, 2012, 06:39:50 am
I'll throw my cent and a half (Again) and say that when I was an insufferable n00b several years ago I had to deal with several people who were in charge back then with similar behavior (And of course others who weren't mods) and while I did have problems with many people, be it via pms, on a thread, because I was stupid or oblivious to what's going on or not informed enough, etc. (This was the first internet site I've ever started to post on, my first internet forum, and in a language I wasn't very good at) I really don't think any of this kind of stuff helped me to get to know how to properly behave on the internet at all (Well in retrospective is not a surprise at all, when 90% of the feedback I got was just empty insults and really silly stuff from the mods like locking my profile, making me invisible to anybody except mods, modifying my posts, etc.) but in fact totally the opposite.

If anything I gotta thank Valodim for a REALLY LONG PM he sent me back then (He told me it took him like 40 minutes to write it XD) giving me tips and whatnot to be a better member of the site (And this was AFTER making me a ghost and all that :P) so feel free to make the obvious "you're still a shitty poster haha!" jokes but credit where's due, Val helped me a lot back then (Even if, mentioning it for the third time, he and messatsu made me a fucking ghost for quite some time >_>). So thanks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 04, 2012, 08:48:36 am
That has little to do with people who are actively trying to be shitheads. Ultimately, you're going to go through that treatment from someone, mod or not, so while it's a nice story it's kind of irrelevant, especially since Titiln hasn't really done(Insulting someone with prejudice) that to an actual newbie of that caliber.

Honestly, it seemed like Val was talking to him like he was a child and I would've got upset too. That's my opinion anyways.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 09:03:03 am
déjà vu
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 04, 2012, 09:06:32 am
I know what you're talking about and don't worry. I'm done ^__^
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on April 04, 2012, 10:43:14 am
when I was an insufferable n00b several years ago
heh

this situation is regrettable, really. titiln only ever acts that way to members with problematic histories... its not like its hard to tell when he is serious about warnings. oh well. wish you the best in future endeavors if you dont decide to come back
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on April 04, 2012, 10:59:43 am
As a user (one with many mistakes cause I'm not perfect), I have many things I could say about Titiln that I don't agree with but again I won't say it cause I'm afraid I could get banned (by him), I recently learned to keep a low profile so that I can enjoy this forum without posting much... yeah... to enjoy a forum I like I have to keep a low profile without making much posts... ain't that sad? Anyways I just wanted to let my thoughts be heard as a regular user here, other than that I think the other admins and mods are doing a great job here, goodnight guys...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 04, 2012, 02:59:54 pm
...

well fuck

amazing what one innocuous MSN message can do :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on April 04, 2012, 03:10:36 pm
GBK should not be banned for more than a week, if not at all

Titiln is mean as fuck, but only to people who are as stupid as fuck. Does either one justify the other? Not necessarily. Is one more damaging than the other? That depends. A stupid person can derail threads by inviting people to bash them; a mean administrator could make people think it's okay to bash stupid people. And sometimes it is okay to bash stupid people, but it's never okay to be stupid.

All-in-all, Titiln obviously didn't want to moderate a forum for someone who didn't necessarily understand or approve of some of his methods. Although, Valdoim did mention that has been gone for a while and isn't really up to date on forum affairs.

Either way, Titiln made people afraid to be stupid. That is a good thing. I don't want the forum to be invaded by tons of stupid users who now think it's okay to be stupid.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on April 04, 2012, 03:33:00 pm
Overreactions all around.

- Unban GBK or make his ban shorter.

- Restate Titiln as admin.
WTF somebody tells you to tone it down a notch, and you go all Fred Durst "M<y way or the highway"? Grow the fuck up, learn to consider assimilate feedback. Questioning yourself isn't a bad thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 04, 2012, 05:01:36 pm
As a user (one with many mistakes cause I'm not perfect), I have many things I could say about Titiln that I don't agree with but again I won't say it cause I'm afraid I could get banned (by him), I recently learned to keep a low profile so that I can enjoy this forum without posting much... yeah... to enjoy a forum I like I have to keep a low profile without making much posts... ain't that sad? Anyways I just wanted to let my thoughts be heard as a regular user here, other than that I think the other admins and mods are doing a great job here, goodnight guys...
considering the way you were posting before, downright hassling new people, you learning to keep a low profile was not a bad thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 04, 2012, 05:14:13 pm
I've been (attempting) to do it given that I've been a dick to some people that didn't really deserve it (I feel as if I should apologize for how I was in 2009, I really was dickish to a lot of people that didn't really deserve it).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rote Zaungast on April 04, 2012, 05:39:31 pm
Quote
mean as fuck, but only to people who are as stupid as fuck
they also were mean as fuck, so win win
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 07:43:30 pm
i'm aware that a previous thread (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=105786.0) gives the impression that i'll just ask to be admin in 6 months and is also a great source for comedy material in this context, but that post did say "for the time being" which could be read as me coming back at some point. this is not the case here. please find someone else, i'm done.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 07:47:31 pm
please find someone else

we'd really rather not

especially if the reason you're leaving is suspected mistrust or the previously mentioned accusations

you work as an admin, you're regularly active, and you've been able to keep order around here
no one can contest that

having you resign would be to the detriment of the staff and the forum

of course this is your decision, but do think it through
we'd really rather you not leave
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Tyrant Belial on April 04, 2012, 08:03:15 pm
Wait so Titiln's no longer admin. . .

 :twisted:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 04, 2012, 08:05:41 pm
i'm aware that a previous thread (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=105786.0) gives the impression that i'll just ask to be admin in 6 months and is also a great source for comedy material in this context, but that post did say "for the time being" which could be read as me coming back at some point. this is not the case here. please find someone else, i'm done.
:(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on April 04, 2012, 08:11:50 pm
please find someone else

we'd really rather not

especially if the reason you're leaving is suspected mistrust or the previously mentioned accusations

you work as an admin, you're regularly active, and you've been able to keep order around here
no one can contest that

having you resign would be to the detriment of the staff and the forum

of course this is your decision, but do think it through
we'd really rather you not leave

This.   

I know it's sometimes easy to forget that people volunteer time for this forum.  A lot of hours go into keeping things more or less smooth, making graphics, making decisions about everything from bans to adding staff.  And it's easy to forget to thank people who put in all those hours and to show appreciation.  I only agree with you about 20% of the time, but I appreciate you 100% of the time. (ok thats a lie, make it 90%).

:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 09:01:35 pm
you work as an admin, you're regularly active, and you've been able to keep order around here
no one can contest that

having you resign would be to the detriment of the staff and the forum
of course it would, because i put plenty of hours every day into the forum. but so do the rest of you. find someone else to fill in those hours.

I only agree with you about 20% of the time, but I appreciate you 100% of the time. (ok thats a lie, make it 90%).
i don't know if you're joking here or if it's a figure of speech or what, but if you really disagreed with me 80% of the time then it absolutely didn't show. please be more vocal on forum decisions from now on
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 09:11:04 pm
i really do not see a viable replacement and cyanide always says no

it's not just a matter of hours, you brought a certain viewpoint and style to the position
a certain je ne sais quoi

you're not exactly replaceable
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on April 04, 2012, 09:37:33 pm
i don't know if you're joking here or if it's a figure of speech or what, but if you really disagreed with me 80% of the time then it absolutely didn't show. please be more vocal on forum decisions from now on

Because I pick my battles.  If I don't agree with you, that doesn't mean I think you are being unfair.  We all have different personalities; yours is more "in your face and abrasive" than mine. You use vulgar language; I don't.  I don't agree with the way you do things doesn't mean you aren't effective... it only means that's not the way I would do it.  If I thought you were wrong, unfair and making a big mistake (like now) you better believe I'd be vocal about it.

:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on April 04, 2012, 09:52:11 pm
dattebayo
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rote Zaungast on April 04, 2012, 09:55:02 pm
I never asked for mod status all those years, so I'm very eligible for adminship
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on April 04, 2012, 11:18:53 pm
If, Titiln, you're really not coming back, are you still going to be active on the forum? Your activity on the forum is better than no Titiln at all. If you completely leave, then "they" have won.

Either way, I'm not going to insist that you come back like everyone else, you're a big boy who can make his own decisions. So if you're gone from the staff for good, perhaps you should, as your last endeavor, recommend what we should do to replace your efficiency. Instead of just saying that we should find someone else.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on April 04, 2012, 11:29:30 pm
Sorry, I don't get it yet... Titiln was dismissed as admin or he just quitted to his charge??

And I agree with various of here, he can be strict and even mean, but also he can't be replaced
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on April 04, 2012, 11:36:20 pm
The point in this thread at which he resigned is obvious.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on April 05, 2012, 12:10:04 am
Basara is too boss-like to read threads or be informed. He has secretaries (like Rugal) who inform him of everything relevant he needs to know.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on April 05, 2012, 12:17:23 am
Thanks for the boss-like stuff 8) but I don't have enough time in my office to see all the stuff you posted in the forum (also, I don't have inet in my house)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 05, 2012, 12:23:40 am
If, Titiln, you're really not coming back, are you still going to be active on the forum? Your activity on the forum is better than no Titiln at all.
i don't think i'll post very often
Quote
Either way, I'm not going to insist that you come back like everyone else, you're a big boy who can make his own decisions.
thanks for respecting that.
Quote
So if you're gone from the staff for good, perhaps you should, as your last endeavor, recommend what we should do to replace your efficiency. Instead of just saying that we should find someone else.
i really don't have much to say on this subject other than "find someone else". pick a gmod to bump into administrator. i'd be fine with any of the current gmods being administrator, if i had a problem with one of them being administrator then they shouldn't be a gmod in the first place. afterwards pick someone to fill that gmod spot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on April 05, 2012, 04:29:39 am
I guess that is fair enough. Good luck in whatever you invest your time in in the future.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 05, 2012, 07:54:03 pm
That was Mugen drama fo the highest order.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on April 05, 2012, 11:32:28 pm
You got a (minor) scolding and you react like this, yet you have scolded many of us much more harshly, and it's 'well-intended feedback to grow as forumites, just in a tough tone'?

Quit now and it just means you've been a hypocritical bully all along. Please stay and prove that you actually believe in what you did. You've earned the respect of some of us though we don't agree with you or your style at all.

Don't throw that away that in a childish tantrum. I don't want to have to learn how to tolerate another admin's  dickish 'bad cop' style. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 12:23:09 am
there's more to it than a "minor scolding" and there's a difference between the closest thing to a site owner this site has disagreeing with my methods and a one trick pony (you) disagreeing with my methods
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on April 06, 2012, 12:35:26 am
But he's never actually disagreed with your overall methods... He's just asked you to tone down a bit some of your wording. And you have actually spent some time without being that aggressive. Sometimes even slightly civilized, so it's not like it's all that alien to you.

You yourself, on the other hand, have repeatedly called some of us unredeemable shitposters all over the place. And instead of ragequitting, we've chosen to try to learn, lurk more, and be a bit more patient instead of throwing a tantrum to then invariably return in less than a month.

Yeah, I said try. :P

Maybe it's time for you to try and learn, for once?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 12:39:00 am
You yourself, on the other hand, have repeatedly called some of us unredeemable shitposters all over the place. And instead of ragequitting, we've chosen to try to learn, lurk more, and be a bit more patient
i suppose you're talking about other users considering you're still shitting up threads by posting about how america is not a country (you learned nothing)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on April 06, 2012, 12:42:47 am
Still got your attention, didn't I? ;)

we've chosen to try to learn, lurk more, and be a bit more patient instead of throwing a tantrum to then invariably return in less than a month.

Yeah, I said try. :P

Anyways, still dodged the most important part of my post.
Maybe it's time for you to try and learn, for once?
You don't have to reply now- you've made me learn to not post when mad, frustrated, or under pressure.

Why don't you take some time off the forum and think it over? Don't you think all this is a bit rushed?

Yeah, take your usual smart jab comeback at me so you can have the last word (god knows you never ever let anyone have it), but anyway, just give it some thought, plz?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 01:11:03 am
i disregarded the rest of your post because you're a hypocrite that talks about learning or trying to learn when you've done none of it. your posting is still mostly intended on starting shit
Still got your attention, didn't I? ;)
take your usual smart jab comeback at me so you can have the last word (god knows you never ever let anyone have it), but anyway, just give it some thought, plz?
and you still try to derail threads with the american argument despite countless people telling you how stale it got. you are a hypocrite. don't fucking tell me to learn when you're not even trying
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 01:18:52 am
anyway it would be super amazing if the staff would stop playing grabass in the staff forum and decide another administrator already
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 06, 2012, 01:21:38 am
you know we all pick cyanide
and you know cyanide says no

there's no grabass involved
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 06, 2012, 01:24:17 am
A lot of the recent posts are :]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 06, 2012, 01:39:11 am
I think that's because titiln's new avatar is awesome. Imagine it reading his posts aloud
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 06, 2012, 03:20:34 am
You don't have to reply now- you've made me learn to not post when mad, frustrated, or under pressure.
Then why are your posts still so bad?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on April 06, 2012, 03:29:44 am
I guess I'm a calmed and detached shitty poster?

Also, saying at least occasionally why my posts are so bad might help, y' know.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on April 06, 2012, 03:35:59 am
Round these parts, the only thing that matters is them postings of yours.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 06, 2012, 03:43:35 am
Also, saying at least occasionally why my posts are so bad might help, y' know.
Yeah, I'm not getting into a debate about this. Besides, people have said why they're so bad so many times over the years that there's no point.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on April 06, 2012, 05:51:21 am
Yeah, he's been told before.

Do not fall for his "explain to me; what do yo think; what does it mean to you" posts. If he acts up again with that stupid American nonsense, then he's getting banned.

This is a reminder that that warning is still in effect.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on April 06, 2012, 06:15:19 am
Yeah, I can understand why you want Jmorph to not fall for my 'plz explain yourself' posts, since you yourself haven't even tried giving an explanation on pretty much anything, and the last time you didn't even wanna bother looking through my post history to back up anything of what you said. Can't you see that acting so arbitrarily will just make it harder for us to get along in the long run?

I already stopped regarding the 'America' subject seriously some time ago (since Shamrock times?) and have regarded it as a joke as of late. If anything, some other people seem to be the ones with a fixation on it. But whatever. ::)

Oh, I'm also gonna totally disregard what you are saying as a real warning- I'm not breaking any rules AFAIK nor derailing the topic at hand more significantly than any other forumite. Being banned over this? Pffft, don't make me laugh. Even you aren't that shortsighted and emotionally immature as to not notice that such a course of action would be plainly unfair.

EDIT:  Replied here to the below post to actually not derail the topic anymore.
I'm dropping it but not out of your petty threats and intimidation but because this is actually derailing the topic (and heck, I didn't start it). Feel free to start discussing the issue of my deserved? ban @ the staff thread whenever you want. Maybe you'll care to give your peers some explanations and arguments as to why I should be banned, since you can't give them to me? I'm quite certain some of them don't like me, but it's a long distance to a deserved ban, buddy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on April 06, 2012, 06:17:57 am
Oh, I'm also gonna totally disregard what you are saying as a real warning
And you're gonna totally be fake banned. Do not continue this discussion.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 06:31:20 am
EDIT:  Replied here to the below post to actually not derail the topic anymore.
that absolutely makes no difference, do you expect your post edit to just go ignored since it was an edit?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on April 06, 2012, 06:33:44 am
No, I actually PMd Rajaa about it. I'm not the kind to pull a ninja edit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 06, 2012, 06:34:21 am
why would you make a reply in an edit above the post, how would that help anything.

Are replies expected to be edited into the other posts as not to derail the thread?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 06:35:39 am
I'm not the kind to pull a ninja edit.
except for the part in which you just did. it's funny because in this same thread you were shitting on me for always trying to get the last word. hypocrite
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on April 06, 2012, 06:37:39 am
And did I not let YOU have the last word? I said YOU. Not every other user who hates me around here. :P


Iced, I dunno, thought it would help people move along, and if Rajaa actually wanted to do something useful (i.e. contacting you to discuss my possible ban) instead of just keep throwing empty threats, he'd know I had posted it because I told him via PM.

Seemed more reasonable than dragging this even more?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 06, 2012, 06:39:01 am
 o_O

It just dragged it even more as people now are asking you why would you even do that and you come off as not caring about said warnings and trying to find loops around them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 06, 2012, 06:39:19 am
cut your losses lasombra
this has turned into a clusterfuck

for everyone's sake end this conversation now
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on April 06, 2012, 06:43:53 am
Lasombra Demon. A simple hi turns into a rant
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 06, 2012, 07:04:15 am
Lasombra man this isn't worth it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 06, 2012, 07:28:08 am
Brief answer to the hugeass pm you sent me.


People replying to stuff you post that they find weird or strange arent persecuting you or harassing you. People talking to you about the stuff you post dont have it in for you, its not really related or as clear as that.

You are repeating the same stuff you were doing not even 15 days ago.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=63101.msg1537106#msg1537106
down to the bluff stuff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 06, 2012, 07:34:44 am
Uh, I'm not trying to persecute you. o_O
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 06, 2012, 07:41:03 am
you replied to him, that's all it takes

you have to remain silent while slowly walking away and never turn your back to him

you could also play dead until he walks away to find a new target

//edit: i would like to take this change to welcome our new global mods: j-pots, brony man and... that other guy. may death come to their enemies soon!

ugh, why is my... chest... hurting so much.....GAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 01:43:35 pm
So he quit as admin because he was abusing his authority and someone called him on it.

It's about time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on April 06, 2012, 01:53:32 pm
:stare:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on April 06, 2012, 01:54:15 pm
Can we please not have Round 5?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 01:59:15 pm
Sorry, I'm done with it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on April 06, 2012, 02:00:45 pm
So I saw Jmorphman is following the path of his master and became Gmod too.
Welcome to him and ponny guy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: kakkoii superhero on April 06, 2012, 02:31:51 pm
maybe I'm from different generation and different culture,
but I do think calling someone as "idiot" or other similar insulting manner is inappropriate
unless it is used jokingly. 

totally different from calling a post to be idiotic, because it means the post is the subject, and not the person.

while someone who is an idiot would be expected to always post idiotic posts no matter what he posts

it will make a biased perspective to someone who you already labeled as "idiot" and it also means you don't want this person to be better.

I don't point  this to anyone in particular. 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 06, 2012, 04:00:06 pm
it's been 3 days already, why are you guys still talking about titiln?!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on April 06, 2012, 04:18:56 pm
Possibly because he's done a lot for this place.  I wish I could think of something amusing regarding 3 days, titiln and the fact today is good Friday, but I have too many distractions to be clever.

:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 04:24:32 pm
Possibly because he's done a lot for this place.  I wish I could think of something amusing regarding 3 days, titiln and the fact today is good Friday, but I have too many distractions to be clever.

:bow:

I can't think of one good thing he's done for this place.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 04:32:49 pm
i banned you although i made a mistake in not making it permanent. i made the mistake of thinking you'd somehow improve and stop posting dumb bullshit and derailing people's threads, but i was wrong. maybe you're right i haven't done anything good
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mgbenz on April 06, 2012, 04:35:48 pm
Possibly because he's done a lot for this place.  I wish I could think of something amusing regarding 3 days, titiln and the fact today is good Friday, but I have too many distractions to be clever.

:bow:

I can't think of one good thing he's done for this place.

Can you PLEASE stop replying to this topic. You're not contributing to the discussion.


AT ALL.


And you even showed how your clueless about what happened judging by your previous post.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 04:38:04 pm
i banned you although i made a mistake in not making it permanent. i made the mistake of thinking you'd somehow improve and stop posting dumb bullshit and derailing people's threads, but i was wrong. maybe you're right i haven't done anything good

I am, you haven't done anything good.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on April 06, 2012, 04:45:36 pm
What horrible thing did you do to get banned?

 :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 04:48:48 pm
I lose track to be honest.

White-Knighting in PTan Mai's thread when it was getting bashed.

Saying I thought Ingrid was a worthless addition to the Streetfighter roster in an Ingrid release thread.

Though I do kind of regret the Ingrid thing, that was kind of unfair to the creator.

Crazykoopa I think but I could never find the guy to apologise.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on April 06, 2012, 04:54:14 pm
Don't forget ignoring Iced's, Rajaa's, and everyone else's advisement and still continuing to insinuate unnecessary tension in threads that were otherwise free of it.

Are you going to stop, man? We get it, you don't like Titiln. Like I told you before, if you don't like him, then it's probably best if you don't post in threads that have "Titiln" in their names and were made by Titiln himself. If he hurt your feelings, then that's too bad. I'm sure time will heal your wounds, as this isn't that serious. You don't need to keep posting  about how much you don't like Titiln. WE GET IT.

You're looking for trouble, as it is now. You not liking Titiln and Titiln resigning does not give you an excuse to go around in a couple of threads and post provocative comments.

Please stop. For the fifth time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 05:09:51 pm
That's fine then, I'll leave it.

Any comments I've ever said that could be accused of 'flame-baiting' are only viewed as such because the community on the whole is far too sensitive.

They need to lighten up because to be honest I can't even remember what I said offensive other than what I just posted and I'm not trudging through my post history to find anything offensive.

I'll apologise if it puts your soul at rest.

I'm sorry.

Their you go, I think I've covered everything right their and if I haven't then you'll have to let me know. I also apologise for the cheap shots at Titlin, I'll admit they are childish so I'm sorry about that too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 06, 2012, 05:12:10 pm
Any comments I've ever said that could be accused of 'flame-baiting' are only viewed as such because the community on the whole is far too sensitive.

And here you go again, insulting the community, I don't know how does your mind works but why did it tell you it was a good idea to insult the community while backing off on insulting one of it's members.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 06, 2012, 05:15:15 pm
it's ok if he's the one insulting others. because as he has proven before he is better than all of us
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on April 06, 2012, 05:19:26 pm
That's fine then, I'll leave it.
Yeah, except that you didn't stop.

Any comments I've ever said that could be accused of 'flame-baiting' are only viewed as such because the community on the whole is far too sensitive.
No. Your comments are flame-baiting because you're flaming baiting. Stop it. You can't justify your behavior. In fact, you seem the most sensitive because your wounds from Titiln are bleeding all over this forum and you can't shut up about him.

They need to lighten up because to be honest I can't even remember what I said offensive other than what I just posted and I'm not trudging through my post history to find anything offensive.
This is your problem. You don't know when you're being offensive. If you can't even control or understand your own self, then I don't think any other person can do much for you and I think I'm wasting my effort trying to get through to you. We don't enjoy banning people, give us other options, please.

I'll apologise if it puts your soul at rest.

I'm sorry.
Sepp is rolling in his grave (even though he isn't dead). This isn't an apology because you first told us that we are wrong (which we aren't), and then you gave the apology because you thought it'd make things better and only because you thought it'd make things better, not because you're actually sorry.

Their you go, I think I've covered everything right their and if I haven't then you'll have to let me know. I also apologise for the cheap shots at Titlin, I'll admit they are childish so I'm sorry about that too.
Yeah, this goes against your second line, but whatever, man. Please stop doing this forever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 05:20:51 pm
Any comments I've ever said that could be accused of 'flame-baiting' are only viewed as such because the community on the whole is far too sensitive.

And here you go again, insulting the community, I don't know how does your mind works but why did it tell you it was a good idea to insult the community while backing off on insulting one of it's members.

I think you just proved my statement to be pretty accurate their.

I'm not insulting the community.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 05:23:59 pm
this thread's been a parade of stupidity lately. who's next? can the staff unban da maverik to get his thoughts on the issue?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 06, 2012, 05:26:33 pm
Any comments I've ever said that could be accused of 'flame-baiting' are only viewed as such because the community on the whole is far too sensitive.

And here you go again, insulting the community, I don't know how does your mind works but why did it tell you it was a good idea to insult the community while backing off on insulting one of it's members.

I think you just proved my statement to be pretty accurate their.

I'm not insulting the community.

You are stupid.

I am not insulting you.

I will stop this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 06, 2012, 05:28:47 pm
@titiln
never

and who's fault do you think that is huh?

I think you just proved my statement to be pretty accurate their.

I'm not insulting the community.

if i were an asshole, i'd insult your terrible grammar
but i'm not, so i'll simply, once again, point out that you apparently don't know what the phrase 'drop it' means

do not respond to this post
simply stop posting

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 06, 2012, 05:29:02 pm
can we ban Zantetsuken already?

he clearly doesn't like this place and uses every opportunity he can to express it. he has not improved even after pretty much the whole staff has already told him what he is doing wrong and has been banned several times for the same behavior he continues to have.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 06, 2012, 05:35:15 pm
this thread's been a parade of stupidity lately. who's next? can the staff unban da maverik to get his thoughts on the issue?

Nah let's go get Tetsuo999999999999999999999999999
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 05:53:00 pm
can we ban Zantetsuken already?

he clearly doesn't like this place and uses every opportunity he can to express it. he has not improved even after pretty much the whole staff has already told him what he is doing wrong and has been banned several times for the same behavior he continues to have.

I don't dislike anyone.

I just don't feel I should be answerable to people I don't know.

Your just names on a computer screen to me.

I would treat people as people if they weren't acting like opinionated pricks.

To be honest that only really goes out to a few people. Some guys on here are friendly and outgoing but quite a lot are angry at the world.

Has Mugen always been this way?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 05:56:22 pm
I don't dislike anyone.
On the subject of Titlin. He doesn't like me and I don't like him, simple really.
well ok then
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on April 06, 2012, 05:56:38 pm
Hey, Zantetsuken, since you keep claiming you're gonna stop and then slinging insults and then claiming you're going to stop again, you're gone forever since this is the fourth time we've addressed this issue with you since last year. And you've also been given dozens of chances this time.

You ignored my last post and my last personal message.

Future endeavors; etc.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 06, 2012, 05:57:12 pm
Your just names on a computer screen to me.

oh, that's so cool !

I gues that you phone call someone they are just voices in a  plastic box, when you people on television they are just images in a tv set and when you met someone in person they are just lumps of meat.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 06, 2012, 05:57:30 pm
Thank you Rajaa. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 05:57:56 pm
Same to you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JeanBureau on April 06, 2012, 06:20:12 pm
why did you ban DA_Maverik ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 06, 2012, 06:22:11 pm
Read the thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 06, 2012, 08:28:12 pm
due to pure jealousy from iced's part

Your just names on a computer screen to me.
if titiln is just a name on the screen then why does he bother you so much? ::)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 06, 2012, 08:30:11 pm
enough on zantetsuken

let's try to keep this thread open for actual discussion
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on April 06, 2012, 09:38:56 pm
why did you ban DA_Maverik ?
his ego simply got in the way.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 06, 2012, 10:32:44 pm
enough on zantetsuken
well, you are talking about him in the warnings thread so.... does that means we can talk about him now?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 06, 2012, 10:37:17 pm
discuss if you think rajaa was justified in banning him

do not take jabs at him now that he's gone
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on April 07, 2012, 12:22:02 am
He was justified to give him a ban but not a permaban... I don't think he is much of a retard to be banned forever... a 4 month ban sounds fair I think, the guy is willing to learn from his mistakes and wants to take some time off from here anyways (he told me so), Ill say give him another chance Mr. Rajaa
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 07, 2012, 12:32:16 am
Well, he kept on dragging the argument, I think it was pretty justified. However, if it really was a permaban seems a bit severe. What's the criteria for such a serious measure, anyway?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 07, 2012, 01:04:42 am
he was previously banned on similar grounds several times and has shown no signs of improvement whatsoever. at this point a permaban is appropriate
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 07, 2012, 01:09:09 am
The pragmatist in me agrees with you guys but...

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_U6QzkNLzC1I/Sx6bHtC3cHI/AAAAAAAAALA/3LO72U9PX1M/s320/devil%2Band%2Bangel%2Bhomer2.jpg)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 07, 2012, 01:11:46 am
He was justified to give him a ban but not a permaban...
well he's been banned several times before for basically the same reasons and has not changed at all. he has also been explained the reasons by most of the staff but he is keeping his mentalilty that everyone else is who's wrong and now him

well he can be annoying but is barely active and is not the kind of user you'll call the mods immediately if you run into him. could become a regular user if he just decided to just OPEN HIS HEART and stop bringing bak pointless arguments he can't even back up
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on April 07, 2012, 03:23:00 pm
He also stated he disliked this community, so I don't think he will miss us that much. And as people said, he hasn't changed since day 1, and IMO someone unable to change (read Peterfoster here) isn't worth keeping around if he just brings problems.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: momo! on April 08, 2012, 03:59:54 am
titiln did the right thing in stepping down. For too long everything's been focused on people getting into arguments with him(including me!) and now that he's stepped down there's no basis for any such attacks because he's not an admin anymore and no longer reflects MFG staff.

Now we can all get along and be friends again AND WATCH COMMUNITY :sweetheart:


also, wasn't surprised to see zantetsuken go. kind of looked like he wanted it a bit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 08, 2012, 04:03:37 am
yeah i was the only staff member people got into arguments with
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: momo! on April 08, 2012, 04:05:05 am
no but they got into arguments with you a lot more than others D:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 08, 2012, 04:13:41 am
yes stupid people that want to get into arguments with you just because of your position instead of what you do or say are the most important thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 08, 2012, 04:37:48 am
I'm going to punch anyone who posts anything that continues this discussion.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on April 08, 2012, 05:00:58 am
what is your favorite cake flavor
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: momo! on April 08, 2012, 05:03:23 am
I'm going to punch anyone who posts anything that continues this discussion.

AIM FOR THE BALLS. okay I'll stop now
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on April 08, 2012, 05:05:28 am
God fucking dammit. Not random shit. This isn't a thread for random shit. It is MEANT to be serious. If you feel someone is in trouble for unjustified reasons, or we haven't punished them correctly, bring it up.

Don't talk about really old shit if you can help it. You've had ages in feedback to do that regardless if it actually offended you.

Below post deleted. Stay on topic properly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on April 09, 2012, 02:38:25 pm
About Luigi's alternative account comment, I'm sure he created it to answer questions/reports/feedback about his character in this thread:

http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=140018.0
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on April 09, 2012, 02:48:50 pm
So? People don't get their bans lifted just because they want to post.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on April 09, 2012, 03:40:09 pm
I was just saying why he suddenly tried to create an alternative account, that's all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on April 09, 2012, 03:41:03 pm
We know why he made the account. We saw his post.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on April 09, 2012, 10:54:25 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=140331.msg1549635;boardseen#new

Wait a minute... why do you delete that post?? >:( I said Matt that he can post about it in my WIP thread to avoid the offtopic in the Gai release thread
I think this chat could continue in my WIP thread a la POTS, see my sig to get the thread (and don't worry about bumping ;) )
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on April 09, 2012, 10:55:50 pm
Whoops. Sorry about that. I sent him a PM.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on April 09, 2012, 11:11:49 pm
Can you get back that post, or there's no return if it was deleted?? >:(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on April 09, 2012, 11:14:27 pm
It's back.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on April 09, 2012, 11:15:57 pm
Great, thanks :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 09, 2012, 11:17:21 pm
a post offering help should never be deleted, less so if it's in a thread started by an active member
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on April 09, 2012, 11:18:55 pm
GOH, if you were a waitress you'd be whisking away my plate before I finished my sammich!

 ;P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on April 09, 2012, 11:21:29 pm
To be fair if I was half asleep I may have done the same thing. But it's all fixed now. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on April 09, 2012, 11:22:05 pm
GOH, if you were a waitress you'd be whisking away my plate before I finished my sammich!

 ;P
You don't get to eat the sammiches you make!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 10, 2012, 01:24:16 am
but I do :smartass:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on April 12, 2012, 02:50:47 am
Good job Missbe for being the first staff member to create a system or rule on the bannings. Kudos.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on April 12, 2012, 12:51:20 pm
So far no agreement has been reached on that Shamrock.  I guess it's no big secret I think the current system is unfair, biased, inconsistent and so on.

:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on April 12, 2012, 01:07:03 pm
You think any system that doesn't only ban someone when they post pictures of themselves in the White House with a bomb strapped to their chest is unfair, biased, and inconsistent.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on April 12, 2012, 01:12:54 pm
^ thats true, but I'm also willing to compromise.  Too bad you see anyone who disagrees with you as some sort of personal insult to your authority and "power".  Banning someone "forever" just because you can and with no discussion at all is unfair. 

:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on April 12, 2012, 01:16:53 pm
I've never been personally insulted about my "power" and the only time I'm personally insulted here is when someone says my work is P.o.t.S styled. So you're banned forever. Feel free to reduce it if you think it's too much.

;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 12, 2012, 03:58:36 pm
pots work is rajaa styled.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on April 13, 2012, 04:55:27 pm
I am personally insulted, not pushed to the brink of insanity. :ninja:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 18, 2012, 12:27:38 am
Iced said:
forgot to mention but i did shave a week off gbk ban.
what a pussy
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on June 27, 2012, 04:25:39 pm
Wow, did Volzilla even go as far as manipulating other users? I thought he calmed down after that incident in which he tried to manipulate Caddie when he joined as a staff member. Apart from ahrimanes, how many people suffered the same? Not asking for names, unless there's no problem saying this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on June 27, 2012, 04:39:02 pm
maybe you missed this thread in Mugen Discussion

http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=142379.0
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on June 27, 2012, 04:41:57 pm
Oh, thx. I missed it.

---

So in the end, was Volzilla banned forever from MFG because of this?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 27, 2012, 05:58:32 pm
I wish he had learned to take a step back. I've stayed out of this since the two of us set our differences aside.

However I think I owe the community an apology for setting that two year feud off, that caused at least two of his bans. If I hadn't, then it wouldn't have come to this, and he would've been a much friendlier guy. That whole feud caused a lot of problems, and had I not have been a dick like that in 2009 then we wouldn't be here. Yes, I am taking account for my own actions. I may not have been involved in this particular issue (I was at work), but if I hadn't sparked that feud off then Volzzilla would not be the person he is now (no offense). I know it's late, but I figured I should do it at some point.

tl;dr: The feud was my fault, and I'm apologizing for that now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on June 27, 2012, 06:10:48 pm
So in the end, was Volzilla banned forever from MFG because of this?
Yep.

I wish he had learned to take a step back. I've stayed out of this since the two of us set our differences aside.

However I think I owe the community an apology for setting that two year feud off, that caused at least two of his bans. If I hadn't, then it wouldn't have come to this, and he would've been a much friendlier guy. That whole feud caused a lot of problems, and had I not have been a dick like that in 2009 then we wouldn't be here. Yes, I am taking account for my own actions. I may not have been involved in this particular issue (I was at work), but if I hadn't sparked that feud off then Volzzilla would not be the person he is now (no offense). I know it's late, but I figured I should do it at some point.

tl;dr: The feud was my fault, and I'm apologizing for that now.
Even if you never got into arguments with volzilla, I still think he'd still behave the same way. His friendliness or lack thereof wasn't really an issue; he could've been really friendly and still tried to force people to adhere to his own MUGEN rules.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 27, 2012, 06:32:52 pm
Can't really tell at this point though.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on June 28, 2012, 10:35:01 am
You didn't turn him into the "evil monster" he is and you're in no way responsible for his horrible, manipulative personality.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 28, 2012, 03:27:12 pm
From what I'm hearing (the person who told me does not want me to share the details), you are correct.

I did feel like a jackass for causing all that though.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on July 01, 2012, 06:11:13 am
You needn't. The sheer amount of effort you put into getting along and eventually trusting him actually says you acted more than properly. You are judging yourself too harshly on this one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on July 01, 2012, 09:06:00 pm
You are wrong.  ;D
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 06, 2012, 02:59:25 pm
Rajaa said:
Sigh.

http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?action=profile;u=80014

Check post history.

Will probably edit this post with a ban if I don't get a reply to my personal message or if the reply to my personal message is noncompliant

Modification:
Banned him for a week.
Fuck, I was only getting started. :(
Well then, more raping in a week I guess. ::)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 06, 2012, 03:27:23 pm
it takes surprisingly little to get your mean machine going o_O[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/hmmm.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on July 06, 2012, 03:30:22 pm
you guys keep thrashing those threads before i get in a shitty egyptian rapist joke
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on July 06, 2012, 03:40:53 pm
lol @that guy and his racist thread. Wonder what drugs he took
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 06, 2012, 03:41:38 pm
it takes surprisingly little to get your mean machine going o_O
It takes much more to actually get me angry. But yeah, being mean on the internet (or IRL, for that matter) is easy to trigger. I hate stupidity. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 06, 2012, 03:52:48 pm
Cybaster went ham in the racist topic. :D
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 06, 2012, 04:04:06 pm
Holy shit what did I miss
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: LM_MAVERIK on July 06, 2012, 04:11:44 pm
Holy shit what did I miss

not much, just one crazy egytian kid some where between the age of 5 to 8 years old venting his anger and trying to enforce his law that anime sucks, which then spiralled into a racial slagging off match rated "PG". you didnt miss much at all. it was like a handicapped kid in a circle of bullies.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 06, 2012, 07:22:07 pm
you guys keep thrashing those threads before i get in a shitty egyptian rapist joke
what

also because his thread was trashed:
DC is shit, except for Batman and sometimes Superman.
ur a dump french >:[
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on July 06, 2012, 10:54:47 pm
Nah, just ban forever that stupid pharaoh motherfucker :twisted:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 07, 2012, 12:45:44 am
DC is shit, except for Batman and sometimes Superman.
ur a dump french >:[
But it's true. I LOVE the Batman universe. I bought many comics, played video games from Genesis to today. He's my favourite Comic book character far in front any Marvel character.
Then, Superman is tolerable, sometimes.
But the rest, Green Lantern, Wonderwoman and the others ... I couldn't care less about them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 07, 2012, 12:54:56 am
But the rest, Green Lantern, Wonderwoman and the others ... I couldn't care less about them.
Well that sounds like a personal problem! >8[
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 07, 2012, 12:58:40 am
Shut up or I'll put you in a yellow room ! >:)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 07, 2012, 01:07:09 am
Green Lanterns haven't had a yellow weakness since the 90s! >:[
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on July 07, 2012, 01:22:24 am
But the rest, Green Lantern, Wonderwoman and the others ... I couldn't care less about them.
Well that sounds like a personal problem! >8[

isnt that the general opinion?

I mean..what other DC Comic character beside Batman and Super Man got successful media appereances like in multiple movies and well..tv series?

Th most people dont even know that there are any other dc characters, its not cool but thats the truth!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on July 07, 2012, 01:27:04 am
(http://images.wikia.com/watchmen/images/d/d0/Watchmen.jpg)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 07, 2012, 01:31:50 am
Green Lantern, Supergirl, Swamp Thing, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, Green Arrow, and The Flash for live action.

Justice League, Teen Titans/Young Justice, Legion of Superheroes for cartoons.

but uh this is all off topic sorry
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on July 07, 2012, 01:39:08 am
Still waiting for Question and Huntress: the Animated Series. Best part of Justice League Unlimited.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 07, 2012, 01:45:30 am
Great example you guys >:C
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on July 07, 2012, 03:40:44 am
This thread is cursed to go off topic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 07, 2012, 03:43:15 am
So I get brought up into decisions over a Font. What's the big idea? Lol. I'm not doing anything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on July 07, 2012, 03:54:46 am
It looks gimmicky, and you know that our userbase loves gimmicks. Please stop now, before it gets too obnoxious.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Person Man on July 07, 2012, 03:57:15 am
[avatar]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/Tiger_Stripe/discordava3.png[/avatar]
So I get brought up into decisions over a Font. What's the big idea? Lol. I'm not doing anything.

You know exactly what the big idea is, "dear."  This princess shtick of yours has caused more than its fair share of problems before.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on July 07, 2012, 03:59:38 am
You've been asked several times by the staff to knock off the Princess roleplaying bullcrap you keep doing. And no matter how many times you stop for some reason you're apparently compelled to go back and keep doing it again. I have no idea why doing that is worth risking being banned for.

Navana, you are fine being Navana. You were just fine making stages, your stages were good and improving. You don't need to filter your photos, you look fine without it. And you don't need to post under some gimmick that is intentionally meant to be obnoxious. Trust me, I've been there. Just be you.

Please listen to me because I think you could contribute a lot to Mugen and I really don't want you banned from here. But you're heading into that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on July 07, 2012, 06:04:09 am
I don't see any problem with that font. I can read the posts just fine and it's not distracting at all.

Don't give the attention seeker undeserved attention, guys. Let him play his own self out. Come back when he makes all his posts invisible.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on July 07, 2012, 06:32:22 am
DC is shit, except for Batman and sometimes Superman.
HOW 'BOUT I SLAP YOUR SHIT AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT?!

... want to see me do it again?
[avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/avatars/flashBIG.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 07, 2012, 10:23:46 am
I made a Batman, thus you are inferior.

@MC2 : completely forgot Watchment were DC. Yeah, they're cool too, I'll give you that. At least they're not included in the DC Clusterfuck Wars (I think/hope).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 2OS on July 07, 2012, 10:53:41 am
Quote
Held out longer than I thought he would.  Thoughts?

Jesus Copyright Christ, they put Smash in the tags again.  You're not doing yourselves any favors here, Sony.

I definitely agree.

http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?action=profile;user=Muirtower
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on July 07, 2012, 11:35:39 am
The font isn't the main thing people have a problem with.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 07, 2012, 05:15:19 pm
the use of font combined with ohohoho im a princess means this is another attempt to grab attention, which is a bad thing that hundreds of people have calmly explained to him. navana has learned absolutely fucking nothing
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on July 07, 2012, 07:11:58 pm
oh noooooo that guy is being an attention whore and we're giving him attention, what ever shall we dooooooooo?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 07, 2012, 07:25:28 pm

http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?action=profile;user=Muirtower

Someone else uses the exact same font as well. Lol.

I also didn't know agreeing with someones post was a way to try and grab attention. If you don't want anyone using the fonts, what's the point of them being here? I'm not mad at anyone, it's just I can't do anything different here without one of you guys jumping me. I like the font style, that's all. I haven't done anything bad.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on July 07, 2012, 07:37:46 pm
Thats a point.

If its not allowed to use the fonts..why are they avaiable :-)

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on July 07, 2012, 07:39:02 pm
You're also allowed to post, but that doesn't mean post shit. Invalid point.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on July 07, 2012, 07:43:56 pm
Thats a point.
If its not allowed to use the fonts..why are they avaiable :-)

Default board settings  :P

I still think that using a different font is a bad way to stand out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 07, 2012, 07:45:42 pm
I shouldn't get in trouble for using a font though. I was still posting respectfully. Lol. I wasn't doing anything wrong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 07, 2012, 07:48:58 pm
The thing is you've done it before in connection to attention whoring, and they don't want to see it again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 07, 2012, 07:50:12 pm
Guys, unless navana is posting in gimmicks of being a princess or if gbk is posting in gimmicks of being a art director or if jmorphman is pretending to be an aien troll that cant type right or koakuma is posting in gimmicks of being a /v/tard I dont see much of a reason to be bothered by any of them.

Dont knee jerk reaction into them, although i know its hard.

Navana their reaction was due to how you escalated before, although you werent doing it yet, theyve seen you start it up a few times before.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on July 07, 2012, 07:51:53 pm
your words wound me, sir
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 07, 2012, 07:52:29 pm
Navana their reaction was due to how you escalated before, although you werent doing it yet, theyve seen you start it up a few times before.
I completely understand. And I am not trying to cause any issues. There will be no gimmick. Just the font. Nothing more. I never intended to have the gimmick anymore. Just the font. I apologize for anyones misconceptions. It will only be the font, nothing else
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on July 07, 2012, 07:53:26 pm
But his post WERE gimmicky.

But of course. Those are the only other three I can think of. Do not forget about NANCY however, dear.

So who do you all think, basing it on who is left, will be in? ~ And if I may also add this, the viewers on YouTube are a bit upset that Gon has not been added. Yet it appears they do not know he has already been deconfirmed. Haha!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 07, 2012, 07:54:26 pm
Then there was a reason to react, I hadnt noticed that post, people were just linking to the others where only the font was being used.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 07, 2012, 07:54:34 pm
But his post WERE gimmicky.

But of course. Those are the only other three I can think of. Do not forget about NANCY however, dear.

So who do you all think, basing it on who is left, will be in? ~ And if I may also add this, the viewers on YouTube are a bit upset that Gon has not been added. Yet it appears they do not know he has already been deconfirmed. Haha!
ONE POST. And I stopped myself very early because I remember what you guys said and what happened.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 07, 2012, 07:56:19 pm
Alright then. Please dont derail into that again, okay?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 07, 2012, 07:58:22 pm
I won't do the gimmick anymore Iced. Just the font. I promise.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on July 11, 2012, 04:07:54 pm
The font IS part of the gimmick. Stop that, dammit.

Fucking Comic Sans is an insult to humanity
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 11, 2012, 04:10:24 pm
why? are you having trouble reading it properly? :hugoi:

hey ,did you know you could delete fonts on your system?[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/sceptical.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 11, 2012, 04:13:14 pm
Comic Sans an insult to humanity? Holy shit it's just a font, calm down.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 11, 2012, 04:14:19 pm
Good thing they are only going to blow up the pyramids, not replace them by Comic Sans or worse :uhoh:[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/puhleez.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 11, 2012, 04:34:56 pm
PYRAMID
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on July 11, 2012, 04:38:35 pm
The whole font gimmick/thing Navana's done could have been worse. He could have appended a gigantic second avatar to the left side of each of his posts, (http://sleepywood.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1683901) nothing screams "LOOK AT ME" more than that.

But I don't want to give anyone any ideas.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 11, 2012, 04:40:17 pm
Haha, wow. That forum is completely unreadable. :lugoi:[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/eh.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on July 11, 2012, 05:29:22 pm
Whats so wrong with comic sans anyway?

Speaking about fonts, some videogame fonts would be cool!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 11, 2012, 05:33:52 pm
why would you need that at all
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on July 11, 2012, 05:37:02 pm
i dont know

maybe for the first posts in threads of big games or game series like the big Resident Evil one

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 11, 2012, 05:37:20 pm
images
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on July 12, 2012, 04:54:59 pm
Spoiler: more about comic sans (click to see content)



Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 12, 2012, 05:05:01 pm
Why are we stilll going on about Comic Sans? ~
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 12, 2012, 05:05:32 pm
Being purposefully ignorant of the negative implications to Graphic Design Theory (yes, part of a valid profession) is as bad as supporting Intelligent Design.

that's not what I get from that link you posted, at all. and no, it's not.[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/nosir.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 12, 2012, 05:08:52 pm
I TOLD YOU MAN

I TOLD YOU ABOUT COMIC SANS
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 12, 2012, 05:09:06 pm
that's an exagerated reaction.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 12, 2012, 05:11:25 pm
i dont really care anymore, i put navana on ignore
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 12, 2012, 05:13:05 pm
i dont really care anymore, i put navana on ignore

fixed
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on July 12, 2012, 05:34:16 pm
titiln is a weakling, taking the cowards way out of having to deal with shitty posters
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 12, 2012, 05:36:08 pm
there's only so much i can do at this point sorry
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on July 12, 2012, 08:15:55 pm
Being purposefully ignorant of the negative implications to Graphic Design Theory (yes, part of a valid profession) is as bad as supporting Intelligent Design.

that's not what I get from that link you posted, at all. and no, it's not.

Quoted for the truth.

What the fudge. Insult to humanity? Comparable to intelligent design? No. Just no.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on July 12, 2012, 08:22:15 pm
its a shitty font which speaks volumes about someones character and intelligence

the end
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 12, 2012, 08:24:17 pm
its a shitty font which speaks volumes about someones character and intelligence

the end
How does font selection have anything to do with intelligence?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on July 12, 2012, 08:25:40 pm
Grade schoolers use comic sans.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 12, 2012, 08:27:09 pm
I dunno man
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 12, 2012, 08:27:58 pm
Grade schoolers use comic sans.
So do hospitals. And offices. And churches. And restaurants. And more, according to that comicsanscriminal site.

It has nothing to do with intelligence.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on July 12, 2012, 08:31:17 pm
I have never seen a GOOD restaurant/office/whatever the fuck use comic sans, and I live in fucking INDIA. a third world country.


also you used church in the same sentence with intelligence :smug: :smug:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 12, 2012, 08:43:52 pm
If you're questioning my intelligence, I'll be more than happy to prove to you a font does not show what kind of intelligence level I have.

(http://aliencyborgs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/mario_superPrincessPeach-laughing.gif)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on July 12, 2012, 08:44:12 pm
Of all the things you could be bitching about, you choose a font.  A minor, insignificant, unimportant detail.  Not even a visually intrusive or eye rape font either.  Holy shit, what is wrong with you all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on July 12, 2012, 08:45:09 pm
Font in correlation with intelligence? KOD is obviously trolling!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 12, 2012, 10:11:29 pm
Grade schoolers use comic sans.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 13, 2012, 12:18:49 am
So do people at CERN, aka the guys who just found the Higgs Boson. I guess they're stupid. :(
But still, they have a Lv.0 in presentation design.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on July 13, 2012, 12:33:05 am
Val: Please be a cock to everyone who hates that font and make it the default for the forum for a couple of days.

There is no rational reason to hate comic sans, you dont' have to like it, but complaining about it is sillier than using it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 13, 2012, 12:37:08 am
That would be the most sinister thing I'd ever see you do if it was done.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 13, 2012, 02:57:48 am
That would be the most sinister thing I'd ever see you do if it was done.
Cyanide is awakening to the dark side, next thing you know, he will be raping tifa.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on July 13, 2012, 10:48:27 am
(http://i.imgur.com/ixVNG.gif)

as a fan of typography this discussion affects me a great deal :(
(stop derailing, you idiots. jeepers)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Chasenuva1 on July 18, 2012, 02:41:42 am
I have been instructed as follows:

"Since MUGEN Infantry is down, that forum is the only place I can think of to get feedback on Scarlet.

Tell them this:

"Luigi1632 is asking for his account ban to be lifted, so he can release his characters.
He says this is the only decent place he can think of to get decent feedback, since MUGEN Infantry is down.""
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 18, 2012, 02:54:24 am
Or if you'd like to admit your Luigi1632, that'd be fine too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 18, 2012, 05:50:49 am
There's way too much negative stigmata from how he was in 2009. Bringing him back would be like sending a wounded, bleeding seal into a pool of starving sharks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 18, 2012, 06:34:58 am
That is a fantastic analogy. lol
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Chasenuva1 on July 18, 2012, 06:55:22 am
I am not him, but other than linking you to a different forum, I have no idea how to prove it.



From Luigi:
"simply reply with this:
"Luigi says he doesn't care, since he only cares about releasing Scarlet himself, without having other people,because he feels like it's a burden to them.""
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on July 18, 2012, 10:25:00 am
He already got his character announced by someone else on the forum, and didn't get much feedback either way, so lifting his ban won't change anything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Joulz on July 18, 2012, 12:00:52 pm
Quote
From Luigi:
"simply reply with this:
"Luigi says he doesn't care, since he only cares about releasing Scarlet himself, without having other people,because he feels like it's a burden to them.""

how can you quote him, telling you to quote him, while HE's quoting himself using the third person o_O that is awesome
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on July 18, 2012, 12:07:31 pm
^Lmao. Great observation.

And there's no reason to lie. If you want to make a alternate account to plead for another chance, that's okay to any extent, but don't lie about it. Lying about it is ignominious and certainly not the way to be readmitted.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on July 18, 2012, 12:15:36 pm
Question. What's so bad about him that a second chance isn't even considered by most users?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 18, 2012, 12:46:58 pm
Indeed, I don't even recall he exists, apart from other users saying how shitty he is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on July 18, 2012, 12:53:04 pm
To be honest, I don't know what he did either. Usually when I don't know why a person was banned forever, that person was banned by Titiln.

But he said he had autism and that that was an excuse for him to be a shitty poster. He literally made a post that said that. He claims nobody loves him and that's he's an antisocial psychopath who doesn't need attention from anyone, especially girls.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Joulz on July 18, 2012, 12:57:24 pm
since when is autism an acceptable excuse for a shitty forum post anyway? what's next: "your post sucked" "hey sorry i'm french"?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on July 18, 2012, 12:59:14 pm
He also released a character before but did a poor work with him, for the whole reason of getting views in his website, which lead to his website being censored. So whoever bothered to give him feedback wasted his time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Veanko on July 18, 2012, 01:48:26 pm
But he said he had autism and that that was an excuse for him to be a shitty poster. He literally made a post that said that. He claims nobody loves him and that's he's an antisocial psychopath who doesn't need attention from anyone, especially girls.

what kind of fucking excuse is that? i have autism(though its kind of mild) and i don't act like a complete shithead.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on July 18, 2012, 01:58:09 pm
Can he even prove that he has autism? For all we know, he could be lying as an excuse for his bad posting.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MellyInChains on July 18, 2012, 02:05:56 pm
since when is autism an acceptable excuse for a shitty forum post anyway? what's next: "your post sucked" "hey sorry i'm french"?

this has pretty much happened, anyone who remembers that vampireky0 nutcase can second this. at least i think that was his name
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 18, 2012, 02:15:22 pm
But he said he had autism and that that was an excuse for him to be a shitty poster. He literally made a post that said that. He claims nobody loves him and that's he's an antisocial psychopath who doesn't need attention from anyone, especially girls.

what kind of fucking excuse is that? i have autism(though its kind of mild) and i don't act like a complete shithead.

Veanko you behave like a normal person. There have been people that act like anti social douche nozzles while claiming to have aspergers or autism and how that justifies their behaviour . One even went as far as telling me that a forum post made him cry and that we needed to act upon it.  People that far off arent usually apt to post in public forums, and its not the staff job to babysit people with mental problems.
I dont care if someone is actually a vampire, or if they are married to inuyasha, or if they have a deep believe in odin that prevents them from posting like a normal person and forces them to persecute others, they are not welcome.About

Drewsky got banned over repeated instances, but if there are enough people thinking he deserves another chance we could give him another go, suggestions, ask Dshiznet about him nowadays, since dshiz was dealing with him a lot in MI.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Chasenuva1 on July 18, 2012, 02:22:52 pm
Quote
From Luigi:
"simply reply with this:
"Luigi says he doesn't care, since he only cares about releasing Scarlet himself, without having other people,because he feels like it's a burden to them.""

how can you quote him, telling you to quote him, while HE's quoting himself using the third person o_O that is awesome

Exactly like this.
--> http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z373/chasenuva1/Capture-21.png
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on July 18, 2012, 03:35:06 pm
He also released a character before but did a poor work with him, for the whole reason of getting views in his website, which lead to his website being censored. So whoever bothered to give him feedback wasted his time.

Wait wait wait... you're not talking about LucasX3(Dark) are you?

I thought his name sounded familiar.

Can he even prove that he has autism? For all we know, he could be lying as an excuse for his bad posting.

IMO, that's kind of the stigma behind it. So many people have claimed autism as justification for their bad posting that autism has more or less become synonymous with bad posting, and any claim of such disabilities simply can't be taken as seriously as they should be. It's even become sort of an in-joke in certain places *cough4chancough*.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 18, 2012, 03:44:13 pm
"I'm not doing any ban evasion, and do not make shitty posts! The shitty posts made by a user who has the same IP as me come from my brother, who has autism! He wrote them, I'm innocent! True story."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 18, 2012, 04:08:21 pm
He's done some pretty....undesireable posting at MI, like IIRC he said he wasn't sad at all that his mom died or something.
http://forum.mugen-infantry.net/index.php?topic=147801.msg1477860#msg1477860 Found it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 18, 2012, 04:20:13 pm
ugh... i wish i didn't read that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on July 18, 2012, 04:21:55 pm
"I'm not doing any ban evasion, and do not make shitty posts! The shitty posts made by a user who has the same IP as me come from my brother, who has autism! He wrote them, I'm innocent! True story."

Oh yeah, the brother excuse too. Forgot all about that one. Didn't Peter Foster try that one (and fail) already?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 18, 2012, 04:36:01 pm
I kinda feel bad for him now :([avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/crying.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 18, 2012, 04:57:20 pm
"I'm not doing any ban evasion, and do not make shitty posts! The shitty posts made by a user who has the same IP as me come from my brother, who has autism! He wrote them, I'm innocent! True story."

Oh yeah, the brother excuse too. Forgot all about that one. Didn't Peter Foster try that one (and fail) already?

What didn't he try?

Hell I still remember the originator of the brother story; MKREQUIEM/badmannomore back in 2008.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 18, 2012, 06:11:35 pm
I think everyone has tried it. Even I did it, but I actually used my brother.

No, seriously! Seriously, guys! Guys, c'mon!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 18, 2012, 06:15:06 pm
Drewsky got banned over repeated instances
Luigi isn't Drewski you dumbass.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on July 18, 2012, 06:21:02 pm
Uh-oh.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on July 18, 2012, 07:40:10 pm
I think everyone has tried it.

Volzilla hasn't, AFAIK
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on July 18, 2012, 07:54:07 pm
Drewsky got banned over repeated instances
Luigi isn't Drewski you dumbass.

the longer you stay here the more blurred the distinction between shitposters are

(luigi does not deserve another chance. imo.)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 18, 2012, 07:59:57 pm
I don't see any harm in unbanning Luigi.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Veanko on July 18, 2012, 08:04:32 pm
i agree. the only reason Luigi was banned is because Mario keeps stealing the spotlight from him! Luigi only had a few games of his own(most of them being shit)while Mario has a bunch.


.....why was Luigi banned anyway?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 18, 2012, 08:06:37 pm
From what I remember, he was very emo, very drama bait, and he resorted to spamming releases with godawful creations and palettes to advertise his forum which was filtered.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 18, 2012, 08:08:06 pm
Hey did you guys ever notice that this thread is named "Feedback to Warnings.", and the "." gets shortened to "..." in the forum index? :blank:

Um, sorry. Carry on.[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/strollingalong.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Chasenuva1 on July 18, 2012, 08:41:45 pm
(http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z373/chasenuva1/Capture-22.png)

(The following is to Luigi):
I will post all of it anyway because I feel like it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on July 18, 2012, 09:40:41 pm
http://forum.mugen-infantry.net/index.php?topic=148460.msg1483471#msg1483471

I kinda feel bad for him now :(

He pretends to be a psychopath because he thinks it makes him cool, enigmatic, and unique. No need to feel sorry for him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 18, 2012, 09:43:40 pm
Quote
I don't really care if I act stupid on the internet, in fact I don't even care that I'm a autistic hikkimori who does nothing but read books and work on MUGEN stuff, along with writing a novel about 9/11,Chernobyl and revival of the Axis(and the allies).
:stare::stare::stare::stare::stare:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on July 18, 2012, 09:48:50 pm
He's done some pretty....undesireable posting at MI, like IIRC he said he wasn't sad at all that his mom died or something.
http://forum.mugen-infantry.net/index.php?topic=147801.msg1477860#msg1477860 Found it
Hmm can't believe I didn't see that before considering I followed the topic closely.
I don't see any harm in unbanning Luigi.
Hmm I want to use the whole "People change" excuse to support him but looking at his MI stuff, it doesn't seem like he's changed from the way you guys mention his past events, seems like he's become worse... =/
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 18, 2012, 09:53:42 pm
If he is worse then he'll be banned again.

Also, he seems to have been banned because he kept spamming his website, which I personally don't think requires a permaban.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on July 18, 2012, 09:57:16 pm
I say give him what he wants: feedback for his Scarlet char and nothing more, that doesn't mean he has to be unbanned. If he took that feedback or not shouldn't be important, you don't need to care about him since he's already banned and Chasenuva seems to be his representant instead Luigi with another account (as it seems in his pics, a typical anime forum out there)

I mean, do you want to revive all that shitty episode with him just for a character?? c'mon guys :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on July 18, 2012, 09:59:41 pm
If questionable mental health was cause for banning then half the memberbase would be inactive, what with the way people like to play keyboard psychologist on the internet and all.

I don't see any harm in unbanning him.  Besides he can always get banned again if he fucks up.  I don't see why spamming his website was a big deal since members do it on here anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 18, 2012, 10:01:16 pm
I say give him what he wants: feedback for his Scarlet char and nothing more, that doesn't mean he has to be unbanned.
He's probably gonna get the same amount of feedback he got when he had someone else post his character. I'm not really concerned about that. I just think his ban should be reevaluated because it's been like 2 years, he was banned over something that didn't really require him to be permabanned, and he's asking to come back.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on July 18, 2012, 10:04:26 pm
Hmm the forum has given other chances to other users before...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on July 18, 2012, 10:07:40 pm
unban him, and ban all the people who still goes to MI. Fair trade.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on July 18, 2012, 10:09:02 pm
^
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 18, 2012, 10:14:10 pm
Goes to show that time heals all.

Im all for unbanning him for the time being.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on July 18, 2012, 10:17:26 pm
Now, the defense rises for the unbanning of Kung_Fu_Man.

*crickets*
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 18, 2012, 10:22:10 pm
Now, the defense rises for the unbanning of Kung_Fu_Man.
Don't even joke.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 18, 2012, 10:22:37 pm
Now, the defense rises for the unbanning of Kung_Fu_Man.

*crickets*

+1
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on July 18, 2012, 10:31:02 pm
If we're unbanning Luiginumbers, we might as well unban Kaffum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 18, 2012, 10:32:11 pm
Luigi is harmless.

KFM is not.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 18, 2012, 10:35:55 pm
KFM is harmless.

Luigi is not.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 18, 2012, 10:59:39 pm
luigi drewski, same difference.

Luigi was worse than drewski , but like i said, ask Dshiz, he actively tried to accompany him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 18, 2012, 11:11:13 pm
Jog my memory; Why is KFM banned?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on July 18, 2012, 11:14:37 pm
He said Gex Enter the Gecko was a bad game and an enraged Jmorphman abused his Gmod powers to ban KFM in the far far past.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 18, 2012, 11:15:58 pm
Jog my memory; Why is KFM banned?

he was kinda doing this hitler thing...[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/ohshutup.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 18, 2012, 11:16:52 pm
Did he try to ban all the Jews?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 18, 2012, 11:17:23 pm
you were here duo, look into your heart, you know the tale.
its a tale as old as mugen.

Basically he was hitting on jmorphman and caddie got jealous.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on July 18, 2012, 11:18:07 pm
Ah that explains it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 18, 2012, 11:40:18 pm
Go to Encyclopedia Dramatica for Mugen, you'll see.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on July 18, 2012, 11:41:49 pm
Quote
M.U.G.E.N. is the gaming phenomenon in which Marvel fanboys, Hentai lovers, and exiled Shoryuken posters attempt to put gaming companies out of business by ripping off their characters and using them to make their own fighting games.
.-.

dang the butthurt in this article is ridiculous...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 18, 2012, 11:44:33 pm
Ignore the article itself and just look at the quotes or screenshots of forum posts.

And be glad we're no longer in that dark era.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on July 18, 2012, 11:53:29 pm
Dinosaur creator... yeah, dark times :ninja:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on July 19, 2012, 12:13:12 am
So is Luigi unbanned or not, in the end?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on July 19, 2012, 12:18:22 am
No. He did it wrong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 19, 2012, 12:29:45 am
Quote
M.U.G.E.N. is the gaming phenomenon in which Marvel fanboys, Hentai lovers, and exiled Shoryuken posters attempt to put gaming companies out of business by ripping off their characters and using them to make their own fighting games.
.-.

dang the butthurt in this article is ridiculous...
I couldn't agree more. Who is responsible for this one?
Quote
Crazed catgirl fanboys getting pissy because their subject of obsession, like a Darkstalkers' Felicia or a Samurai Shodown's Cham Cham, is being degraded and violated through various means
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 19, 2012, 12:37:15 am
The MUGEN article on ED was (and probably still is) upkept by one single person. I think their name was EVIL or something.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on July 19, 2012, 12:39:38 am
It was obviously me. I have issues with the entire community.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on July 19, 2012, 12:43:54 am
This is why you don't get nice things GOH
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Chasenuva1 on July 19, 2012, 01:53:05 am
I don't really see why he wants me to post this.... but whatever.
(http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z373/chasenuva1/Capture-23.png)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on July 19, 2012, 01:54:28 am
Back on the topic of Luigi/Saohc:

Whats the worst that could happen by unbanning him? If he fucks up, just ban him again, and things will be back to the way they are now. No difference. The fact he's asking to come back, maybe he's grown up and knows not to post the same kind of shit he has over at MI about his mother and stuff. As I said, if he does, just ban him again and nothing of value will be lost.

However, reviewing his recent posts on MI seems to indicate that he'll simply be banned again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on July 19, 2012, 01:57:57 am
It was obviously me. I have issues with the entire community.
That explains everything. Slowly you're rising to power to terminate the entire community!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Joulz on July 19, 2012, 01:59:28 am
Back on the topic of Luigi/Saohc:

Whats the worst that could happen by unbanning him? If he fucks up, just ban him again, and things will be back to the way they are now. No difference. The fact he's asking to come back, maybe he's grown up and knows not to post the same kind of shit he has over at MI about his mother and stuff. As I said, if he does, just ban him again and nothing of value will be lost.

However, reviewing his recent posts on MI seems to indicate that he'll simply be banned again.



the problem is with that logic, everyone could potentially be unbanned on the ground that "they could always be ban again at first signs of trouble": imagine the mods (and the rest of the community) having to deal with the likes of Vyx and other rejects like that, having to monitor them etc..., on a daily basis? a true nightmare
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 19, 2012, 02:24:20 am
Well, like I was saying, Luigi hasn't done anything bad on the level of vyx or KFM level.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Chasenuva1 on July 19, 2012, 02:32:41 am
"Luigi says that he strayed away from his original objective on MI, which was to just release Scarlet, because he felt like trying to seek revenge on Zeroz, like a dumbass. While it's true that he didn't care about his mother's death, partially it's because he knows she's in a better place and the other half relates a slight cynical nature. He eventually ignored Zeroz and the Random Insanity board altogether, to get back to the original goal:Release Scarlet and get feedback. He wants to be un-banned, even if it's just restricting permissions to only MUGEN-related boards and disallowing him access to posting in the off-topic boards."




@Luigi: Make your own account to argue this stuff. I'm not being your messenger anymore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on July 19, 2012, 02:58:08 am
He hasn't changed at all and the reason he wants to be unbanned is weak. Wargame already announces his characters here and Luigi making the threads himself won't gain him anymore feedback than he's already gotten.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 19, 2012, 04:39:35 am
this discussion about motherfucking luigi#### has gone on way longer than it should have
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on July 19, 2012, 06:47:46 am
He's not getting unbanned because:

1. He's still a bad person.

2. He's pretending to be someone else.

3. He's not apologizing, he's making excuses.

4. His excuse for wanting to be unbanned is really bad; nobody cares if he wants feedback.



It's too soon to do the opposite of the above and get unbanned (not that it's guaranteed). No unban for you! Come back -- one year!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 19, 2012, 04:40:13 pm
The MUGEN article on ED was (and probably still is) upkept by one single person. I think their name was EVIL or something.

It is. He goes by PUNGIEPUNGIEPUNGIEPUNGIE now IIRC.

He had a penchant for stalking me and adding me to the article too.

but enough about that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 21, 2012, 09:29:27 pm
jmorphman fyi whenever iced does some stupid thing to someone else's profile i yell at him about it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 26, 2012, 02:57:15 pm
Rajaa said:
And posting the dude's address? Are we supposed to build a task force and debouch to arrest Hombrewking?
Of course. It's the moderators' duty to act as the Mugenguild Internet Police and go arrest all the people selling Mugen stuff out there.
You should also hire people who'll act as the "Mugenguild quality control task", who'll send to jail anybody releasing bad quality Mugen content.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 21, 2012, 11:19:27 am
http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/goku6-79618

I suggest that you send him a PM to tell him to stop spamming questions without trying.
Since I guess this was done already, I suggest a week ban each time he asks a question about his stupid hitsparks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on August 21, 2012, 11:32:21 am
Holy shit @ the amount of "I suggest that you should read up on those Mugen docs." quotes.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on August 22, 2012, 01:05:09 pm
Even if he's banned from the Config and Development MUGEN section, he most likely will start spamming in other sections such as MUGEN Discussion, or start spamming to other people questions, seeing as how he behaved in the past.

Really, if you don't want to ban him for a year so he grows up, you could limit his posts, or make his posts invisible to everyone else. Isn't it possible for Val to make this available?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on August 22, 2012, 10:14:31 pm
No. We can only lock him from the section. Putting a "limit per day" on him which is also possible won't achieve anything because he rarely posts more than once a day. Forced timeouts have done nothing and nothing he's doing warrants a perma ban.

The solution is that the REST of you stop replying to him at all. Then i can mark his topics solved and let them die the way they should.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 23, 2012, 04:23:48 pm
Dunno where to ask this. Did Vans delete his account from MFG or something ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on August 23, 2012, 04:29:32 pm
Apparently so. He did leave his posts though (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/adv-math-help-some-linear-algebra-problems-139725.msg1538575.html).[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/perplex.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 23, 2012, 04:31:19 pm
Yeah, I saw that. It's the lack of stars and admin status that hit me, and I searched the staff section to see if a he left a message to say "bye" or something, but didn't find one.
Oh well ...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 23, 2012, 04:41:38 pm
Why the fuck would he delete himself. I know he was really busy, we all knew that, but why deleting himself when he himself knew that was usually frowned upon?
If he just wanted to leave he could have just cleaned up his profile and demoded himself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 23, 2012, 04:42:48 pm
Looks like his site is gone too. He had some good stuff I was wanting to read ;_;
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on August 23, 2012, 04:48:19 pm
bam, bam, bam...
ba-dam, bam, -bam, ba-dam!

bam, bam, bam...
ba-dam, bam, -bam, ba-dam~[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/dancedance.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 23, 2012, 05:21:33 pm
And all his creations are gone from Trinity too...

seriously what the flying fuck?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on August 23, 2012, 05:26:25 pm
Does somebody from Trinity know what happened with Vans?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 23, 2012, 05:33:26 pm
I checked with some people, no one I checked with knows.

I will try to talk to him on msn when I manage.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: oraora? on August 24, 2012, 12:45:25 pm
Looks like his site is gone too. He had some good stuff I was wanting to read ;_;
Me too, I was actually going to read his tutorials in his website as I only read it once when I am in busy state, now I had a little time and want to try out some of his good kof velocity extraction stuff there. If he aren't coming back, then I will go back to learn the kof velocity tutorial from Sander 71113 and [E]dgar's website
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on August 24, 2012, 01:59:27 pm
Vans is now a legend
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 24, 2012, 11:11:15 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/kof-data-tutorial-90085.0.html

I found this. Can you resurrect his account so we may be able to look through his posts for anything of value like this?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on August 25, 2012, 01:30:39 am
I guess he really quit the mugen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 25, 2012, 01:43:06 am
This isn't how you quit MUGEN. This is salting the Earth so that no one can enjoy your efforts or use your guides to make their own stuff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 25, 2012, 01:47:33 am
None of us even know why he did it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 25, 2012, 01:56:44 am
None of us even know why he did it.
I don't think there's is a good reason to do such a thing.

Anyways, the account deletion is an actual abuse of powers, and nothing is gonna change that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 25, 2012, 01:57:30 am
This isn't how you quit MUGEN. This is salting the Earth so that no one can enjoy your efforts or use your guides to make their own stuff.
What an outrage. Someone prep a guillotine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 25, 2012, 01:58:44 am
Yeah that's totally what I said, nice job.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 25, 2012, 01:59:31 am
Byakko, stop trying to guilottine people, this is not france.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 25, 2012, 01:59:57 am
Yeah that's totally what I said, nice job.
It's how it sounded. Don't play cute.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on August 25, 2012, 02:01:03 am
Code:
> INSERT INTO yabbse_members SELECT * FROM m3303_0818.yabbse_members WHERE id_member = 26079;
Query OK, 1 row affected (0.28 sec)
Records: 1  Duplicates: 0  Warnings: 0

> UPDATE yabbse_messages AS m1 SET id_member = 26079 WHERE EXISTS (SELECT * FROM m3303_0818.yabbse_messages AS m2 WHERE m1.id_msg = m2.id_msg AND id_member = 26079);
Query OK, 1727 rows affected (1 min 3.50 sec)
Rows matched: 1728  Changed: 1727  Warnings: 0
[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/rapidash.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on August 25, 2012, 02:06:15 am
I like me some SQL. :O
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 25, 2012, 02:08:01 am
It's how it sounded. Don't play cute.
I'm not playing cute because that's not at all how it sounded, unless you're taking crazy pills I guess. Which maybe you are, but I'm not gonna leap to unfounded assumptions!

I was just using a metaphor: Vans is like a farmer who produced many wonderful crops (MUGEN characters), but then, for some unknown reason, decided to burn all those crops and prevent anyone from using his field (his website with all the guides). It's very upsetting and nobody knows what's going on and we're all worried about Vans and stuff. Don't be a dick and try and start shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 25, 2012, 02:10:15 am
The posts still exist and it's not like he broke into all the computers on the Internet to delete all copies of his creations. You don't start shit to prove I twist your words.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: XamΣeta on August 25, 2012, 02:11:08 am
^ I'm sorry guys but I have to agree with Jmorph on all that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 25, 2012, 02:11:16 am
The posts still exist and it's not like he broke into all the computers on the Internet to delete all copies of his creations. You don't start shit.
omg shut the fuck up and leave now. this is the most inane shit ever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: XamΣeta on August 25, 2012, 02:11:55 am
^ Ditto.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on August 25, 2012, 02:23:29 am
I restored the account because normal members can't delete their accounts either since that kinda thing greatly reduces data consistency and searchability.

As far as we know, he didn't leave in a huff, to me it looks like he wrapped up his stuff and left. That kinda sucks for us because we lost a bro, but we shouldn't be selfish about it, it's his right to take down his downloads and stuff. If he has real life matters to sort out, reducing his online presence sounds like a reasonable first step to me.[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/sadsit.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 25, 2012, 02:33:16 am
Thank you Val.
Carry on.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 25, 2012, 03:12:59 am
It is pretty selfish to remove his tutorials as those had less likely hood of being downloaded/archived.

Whatever he's doing IRL he could have at the least given the tutorials and blogs to someone so they could stay online.

And yes, THANKS VAL! :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 25, 2012, 05:21:34 am
Apparently he has implied it in the past but none of us figured he was just going to outright quit with no warning and do this. Not even Trinity.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Vans on August 27, 2012, 02:55:34 am
I didn't expect my account to be resurrected like this...

These past few weeks have been incredibly difficult for me, I snapped and deleted everything. Account lost or not, it was a decision I had thought of many times and had no regrets.

Very few people actually know the type of lifestyle that I'm living right now. I study 14 hours a day, 5 days a week. Have tests that last for as long as 6 hours during my weekends, and I'm shoving in practicing fighting games, learning a new language and whatever's left of my hobby time in. Every single day of my semester is both physically and emotionally tiring for me.

The type of environment I'm studying in is one of the most taxing I've ever had to work in. I try my best, I study every single day almost every chance I get but it's a place where failing changes the perception other people have of you. If you fail too much your opinion starts to become worthless, you become isolated until you can "step your game up", people just stop taking you seriously if you lag behind. School has not been kind to me lately, and I sometimes wonder if I even have the talent for it. Keeping up with people that are already professionals is really damn hard for me, and the feeling of having a worthless opinion only makes it worse for me every single day that passes.

In my home I have the peer pressure of doing everything right. I used to be scolded very harshly if I got anything short of a perfect grade. I have some conflicting views regarding my future and what I plan to do with my life after college, and the closer I get to my goal the more stressed I become as I feel like doing what I want to do will upset my family.

I'm a person that feels an incredible amount of shame and sadness with failure. This is how I feel regarding my MUGEN work.

I had two dreams when I started programming for MUGEN:

1. Coding a KOF character good enough to be used in KOF Zillion.
2. Finishing a complete game. The reason I coded 1 thing of everything was so I had enough experience.

And a recent one:

3. To help new coders through the many difficulties I had when I was first coding.

During this time I feel like I couldn't complete any of these things. And not only this, I also feel like I have failed at being a good member of this community.

I've read and discussed many different points of view about MUGEN. I was staff in 3 almost radically different places at once (Here, Mugenguild, TrinityMUGEN and Randomselect) and have had the opportunity to understand situations from these 3 sides at once. It has been very difficult for me keeping up with everyone and everything at once, especially when there's conflict between any of those 3.

I've been worried and sad for this community because I sometimes feel like there's unbreakable walls separating very passionate people from working with each other. It breaks my heart and is really hard on me when I feel like I'm the only one that can see the situation from both sides. This has been a difficult position for me for a very long time, and sometimes feel incredibly impotent by not being able to help this situation.

Abandoning my admin/moderator duties has only made it worse for me as I feel like I'm slacking off. It might not look like it, but I do worry, and I do check things from time to time, and I feel incredibly guilty for making the staff look bad in all sides by not being active.

I deleted my things because I felt like a failure. I can never shake the feeling of my work being completely worthless in many fronts, I don't even know what kind of work I'm demanding from myself anymore but I may have set absolutely impossible standards for myself.

I honestly don't even know what type of footing I'm on right now. I rarely received comments about my articles when I wrote them, and I had the feeling they weren't that useful, so I got rid of those as well.

I feel like something hit me and finally made me broken as a person. I don't really want to argue anymore, I just wanted to leave quietly and be done with everything. I'm not in a position where I want to discuss the morality of me taking down my own work, if I have to be banned or whatever due to my actions that's okay as well, I don't mind.

If this account has to be kept alive as well that's okay, I'm sorry for deleting it. I'm sorry.

I put my articles back and I will try to reupload my work if I have the time.

I'm sorry for everything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lil' Hurricane on August 27, 2012, 04:49:12 am
Hope stuff gets better for you, best of luck.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 27, 2012, 06:02:23 am
I forgive you, Vans. I hope everything works out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vgma2 on August 27, 2012, 06:14:29 am
Real life is indeed quite stressful at times. I wish you luck in your future endeavors.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on August 27, 2012, 06:24:26 am
Nobody will ever think less of anyone for taking their real life commitments seriously. Or leaving behind this little hobby for said commitments. Your desire to leave is perfectly understandable and nobody will think less of you for it. You have made one hell of a difference in one corner of the community and that's KoF. You've taken it further than sander did and even if people enjoy other characters more they'll hold yours up as the example.

In an interesting thing, once Val re-upped your account, one of the first responses was in one of your tutorial threads asking where the stuff had gone. You have made a difference. But the way the community works very very rarely will you see that difference or even realise you're making it. This has no effect on your decision to take time off/leave but try to remember that when you're feeling shitty about your time here. You personally made a difference, even if you never noticed it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 27, 2012, 06:43:50 am
well said Cyanide

and Vans, things always get better :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 27, 2012, 09:08:03 am
Don't think of yourself badly or as a failure Vans. Setting high standards is something very good and I wish more people would have in today's life, but setting a goal and trying to reach it shouldn't make you feel bad about yourself if the goal you set is impossible to reach. Try your best, and see what comes out of it.

Very few people actually know the type of lifestyle that I'm living right now. I study 14 hours a day, 5 days a week. Have tests that last for as long as 6 hours during my weekends, and I'm shoving in practicing fighting games, learning a new language and whatever's left of my hobby time in. Every single day of my semester is both physically and emotionally tiring for me.

The type of environment I'm studying in is one of the most taxing I've ever had to work in. I try my best, I study every single day almost every chance I get but it's a place where failing changes the perception other people have of you. If you fail too much your opinion starts to become worthless, you become isolated until you can "step your game up", people just stop taking you seriously if you lag behind. School has not been kind to me lately, and I sometimes wonder if I even have the talent for it. Keeping up with people that are already professionals is really damn hard for me, and the feeling of having a worthless opinion only makes it worse for me every single day that passes.
I get your feelings with this, since I had more or less the same life for 3 years. I always was 1st or 2nd of my class up to Baccalaureate, with average grades of 19/20 in Maths and Physics, without ever studying. And from one day to the other, in preparatory classes for Engineering schools, my grades fell down to 6/20 when working 4 hours minimum per evening after a 8/10 hours class day.

This can break your moral at first and you can think of yourself quite badly. "I'm a shitty person, I don't have the level or necessary knowledge, damn I have no future". It also doesn't help when you have some teachers telling you how bad you are, and asking you if you're studying instead of playing cards (even though you went to bed a 1am to study his freaking lesson).

But from this, you have to take the positive output.
- You can compare your level to other brilliant students (because never forget that : if you reached this point, it's because you are brilliant, in this field at least).
- You probably have some strong friends you can count on in difficult moments. Rely on them, they're here for you if you need them.
- This will make you stronger. The pressure you have now and the way they make you strive for perfection and work hard is a very good way to strengthen your soul and will. You learn how to work fast, well and efficiently. You learn how to think instead of applying stupidly some cooking recipes. And you're strong enough to fight the difficulties of life. What others consider difficult you'll think of as easy after studying in this school.

Anyway, good luck with all your endeavours, study hard, but don't put too much weight on your back. Do your best and push your limits, but never to the point of feeling bad about yourself.
You've made a difference, in Mugen or not. Really. So don't be ashamed of yourself. ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on August 27, 2012, 03:57:57 pm
Vans, you don't owe anyone anything, especially concerning a hobby. Take it easy.

That's the best advice I can give, take it easy. It's not the end of the world.

If your studies are getting too stressful then take a break, you can always try again. I failed a year of school because I was studying shit I had no interest in and it stressed the hell out of me. So I just said fuck it and failed it to get myself a 1 year break. I feel refreshed and more determined than before to pass this time to get on with my life. Did I give a fuck what anyone else thought of me? Hell no. I only cared about myself and you should too.

We're always here for you, good luck man.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: oraora? on August 27, 2012, 05:39:23 pm
I honestly don't even know what type of footing I'm on right now. I rarely received comments about my articles when I wrote them, and I had the feeling they weren't that useful, so I got rid of those as well.
What a bad timing for me, actually I was very busy this year and have no time to read your tutorials daily which I plan to :P. I actually read your article once, about the art money tutorial and find it interesting but a pity that I am very busy this year and have no time to learn so I plan to read and learn it after my exams are finished in end of this year, never know that you will remove them :'( but it is alright, doesn't matter, career comes first before Mugen :) you are already one of the best people that I encounter for Mugen as you put in effort in your creations, tutorials etc and even help me with that troublesome Real Bout Fatal Fury 2's Yamazaki's Level 4 Drill, I haven't forget that ;) all the best in your studies, glad to see you replying your reason of sudden deletion :)

Edit: I went to your site and your tutorials are back again :D thanks a lots man will appreciate it :) I better go save them in my drive before it is gone again :laugh4:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on August 27, 2012, 07:02:34 pm
Hey, life happens Vans. Nobody is going to think less of you (especially here) because your putting your life ahead of MUGEN.

Handle your business, and hopefully you start feeling better.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 27, 2012, 10:51:22 pm
Life can be a bundle of work, it can take you out for a big spin and drive you mad for hours as you try to do whatever you feel is the right thing to do.
And yeah shit can get hard.
We might need to put our hobbies aside, or focus more on this or that, and even then things might fuck up, because things fuck up.  There are plenty of people here that when things got tougher in real life had to take time for their own shit, and thats alright.

Now, a failure? Thats the biggest load of shit.  Anyone that even hints that someone else should delete their presence and remain deleted because they are a failure are the biggest jerks ever.
You are not a failure, look around you,everyone was worried about you, and how you even deleted yourself.
I know you had been having troubles with school, we talked a while about it, and I even suggested taking time off, and thats okay, you should focus on fixing your stuff, but dont think that throwing away all your hobbies will somehow make you better, human beings cant live only out of working.
You do your stuff man, whenever you want , there will be people around. You know that we support you. Dont let depression win you over.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Joulz on August 31, 2012, 03:47:45 am
Vans, you don't owe anyone anything, especially concerning a hobby. Take it easy.

this!

in the end, it's YOUR life, your decisions and nobody else should pressure you to succeed, but you!

as far as mugen goes: you are, always were and will remain a true inspiration, someone who has set the quality bar SO high when it comes to creating & someone who has left an unforgettable trace in the community.

take it easy & good luck
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 31, 2012, 04:16:51 am
Wow, I never thought this would happen. I even put out a request for Krizalid's sprites so Vans could work on the character, but I'm not so sure I want him to have to deal with that. Really, Vans. You made a difference and people were worried. I myself freaked when I saw your downloads were gone. Just remember that this is indeed a hobby. I'm not trying to pressure you or anything, but is it at all possible for you to put your stuff back on Trinitymugen? If not, I could host your characters that I have on my Mediafire so people can still get their hands on them. They are great characters and deserve to be used. Best o' luck to ya, Vans!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 31, 2012, 04:39:24 am
He put his stuff back. And thank you for doing so. What you shared is very valuable to the rest of us in this community. You made a huge difference here to many people and I personally am very fortunate you made the tutorials and artmoney tables that you made! They are being most helpful!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 31, 2012, 04:53:46 am
Are you referring to his stuff on Trinitymugen? Because it's not popping up for me. Well, if nothing comes up within the next week I'll probably host some of his stuff. Can't let it go to waste, hm?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 31, 2012, 08:55:47 am
GBK stuff ... blablabla ... including this :
Quote
I reread the whole thing and i dont get what he was trying to do.
I said several times what I meant by that, he kept claiming to not understand it even when others explained, and then went on posting. People called his attention again and he started going "cry more". What was even the point?

I give up.

So, even though we have GBK being a blatant asshole here, not following admin/Mods instructions, playing martyr and dumb at the same time, etc. I still think 6 months is a bit harsh in this case. Two or three months seems more reasonable IMHO.
Heh, I'm not staff, so it's not my decision. Just wanted to say the ban seems disproportionated compared to what he did.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 31, 2012, 11:37:16 am
Are you referring to his stuff on Trinitymugen? Because it's not popping up for me. Well, if nothing comes up within the next week I'll probably host some of his stuff. Can't let it go to waste, hm?

I didn't check to see if his characters were back. But this is back. http://www.vans.trinitymugen.net/
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on August 31, 2012, 12:05:53 pm
Two or three months seems more reasonable IMHO.
He was already banned for 2 months before.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 31, 2012, 03:45:00 pm
yah, punishment has to be increased because he keeps on pulling the same stunts all the time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 31, 2012, 04:21:58 pm
If this was the case Iced should've known that a "soft ban" like that wasn't going to work
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 31, 2012, 04:24:11 pm
the softban was not the reason of the big ban, the soft ban was just a measure to get him to calm down, but instead of calming down he decided to do his martyr routine which lead to bancalibur being unleashed on him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on September 01, 2012, 12:06:51 am
When you have someone already with a vendetta against you it's not the best idea to say "Please don't post here."

Iced you know better.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on September 01, 2012, 12:09:37 am
When you have someone already with a vendetta against you it's not the best idea to say "Please don't post here."
He didn't deserve a ban at that point and he needed to stop posting in that thread. What other option was there?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on September 01, 2012, 12:11:27 am
Iced stop doing your job! There are people who hate you! Who do you think you are?! Rajaa?!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on September 01, 2012, 12:13:37 am
what?
I should stop telling him to do stuff he was told to stop before because I have argued with him before?

over the same stuff?

I mean I heard of circular logic but thats just bonkers!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on September 02, 2012, 04:53:48 am
When you have someone already with a vendetta against you it's not the best idea to say "Please don't post here."

Iced you know better.
what, he should've flat out banned him instead? you're dumb
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on September 03, 2012, 09:59:41 pm
So, even though we have GBK being a blatant asshole here, not following admin/Mods instructions, playing martyr and dumb at the same time, etc. I still think 6 months is a bit harsh in this case. Two or three months seems more reasonable IMHO.
Heh, I'm not staff, so it's not my decision. Just wanted to say the ban seems disproportionated compared to what he did.
I can help you better in this case. I post regularily in Cosplay thread in Off-Topic (also I'm cosplayer if some of you didn't know) and GBK is known for being those guys who only posted pro cosplays only, and when a pic isn't in his "standards" he mocks and don't give importance to them, not to mention he has a strange fetish with Poison cosplayers. I mean, I like Poison but I don't post everytime I get a Poison cosplay there

Iced was one of the posters there who dislike that soberv attitude GBK has in the thread and that's the reason why he was banned many times from the forum, like 2-3 months, and until this day he shouldn't learn anything since passed a few time after that he get back with his attitude. Something like Da_Maverick and MC2 did before in the forum, but in a little scale. So I'm with Iced and I support that 6-month ban, and I say it could be even for more time, since the guy just don't learn and even get as a victim/martyr everytime before and after his ban

In my personal case, I'm cosplayer as I said before and I usually show my last cosplays in that thread, but GBK just ignore it and post other cosplay pics to get his point, many of them are more Photoshop than cosplay (remember that 3D-like images??), that's the reason I didn't post for a time until I get back recently. If I was a mod/admin, probably I should ban him, too
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 03, 2012, 10:50:22 pm
heh, i remember posting an actual 3d render of chunli in that topic, there was a lot if damage controls/tests done in that thread that only people who actualyl posted there knew were happening, like when GBK continued sniping the thread by posting "his" cosplay pictures right after someone else psoted something, some people started counter sniping him by waiting until gbk posted so they could post feedback on non gbk cosplay adn push gbk's behind.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on September 03, 2012, 11:41:42 pm
Okay, gotcha guys. I agree I'm not following the cosplay topic so much, so I was not aware of everything happening in there apart from GBK posting photoshopped cosplayers every single day.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on September 04, 2012, 01:16:28 am
When you have someone already with a vendetta against you it's not the best idea to say "Please don't post here."

Iced you know better.
listen to this man iced, most people in this community hate or moch him everyday so he knows what he is talking about

bancalibur
i laughed harder than i should

@Cybaster: completely unrelated but i think you should update your quote signatures because the color doesn't match the forum layout anymore
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on September 15, 2012, 12:42:23 pm
Have you checked if LordryuTJ is actually Wild Tengu in an alternative account? I mean, they both seem to have the same fetish. But one with ponies and the other with humans.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on September 15, 2012, 01:49:27 pm
He is not Wild Tengu.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on September 15, 2012, 04:02:39 pm
was that guy still active or just suddenly decided to post fat ponies?.... OH CELESTIA! PLEASE KEEP HIM AWAY FROM THE PONY THREAD!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on September 15, 2012, 04:23:13 pm
his posting is outrageous and i believe we should preemptively ban all pony likers to prevent something like this happening again
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on September 15, 2012, 05:39:29 pm
i think we should forbid people from discussing things they like to prevent any more disturbances
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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on September 15, 2012, 06:55:50 pm
I hope everybody hates Mugen here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on September 15, 2012, 11:38:21 pm
Have you checked if LordryuTJ is actually Wild Tengu in an alternative account? I mean, they both seem to have the same fetish. But one with ponies and the other with humans.

Tengu is smarter and far more subtle than that (and Tengu is as subtle as a sack of hammers).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mgbenz on October 05, 2012, 01:42:43 pm
So apparently trolling is acceptable in the forum because it's not against the specifically written rules?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on October 05, 2012, 01:47:21 pm
The problem is that the rules are not specific. They're very vague when it comes to empty posts and such.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 05, 2012, 02:20:40 pm
I guess it's not in the rules because it's expected to be common sense. But the problem is that people want to know why they get banned if they're not breaking rules, and they don't want to admit that not trolling is common sense. Maybe a rule that only says "respect common sense" would be enough.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on October 05, 2012, 02:27:07 pm
Most newcomers aren't aware of forum etiquette so I think it's best if it's explained thoroughly like for eg:

- Don't post for the sake of posting only. Take a few seconds to think if your post contributes to the thread in question. Forum posting has a different theme, it's not like posting in a chat discussion and such.

Something like that, similar to the necrobump rules I guess, basically explaining that they should reflect on what they are posting before they do it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 05, 2012, 02:50:38 pm
@Cyanide: this are teh rules iced was talking about in the warnings thread:
i'm going to add more rules since people are complaining that some "obvious" things are not so obvious

- Do not make secondary accounts
- Do not try to circumvent your bans
- The report button is for reports. Do not use it for anything else.
- Do not get account names with offensive names (i.e. Nigger we are dumb fucks spamming this site for ten years Fucker or LATINO COCK CUMS IN MY VAGINA)
- If you're a bot your account will be deleted.
- Do not use giant font sizes for all of your posts. Use giant font size wisely.
- Do not claim to not care about celebrity death. Or death in general. This is rude.
- Do not call people shitheads.
- Do not ignore points mid-discussion
- Do not make the same thread several times
- Do not post with missing vowels.
- Do not use this forum as a chatroom. If you want quick direct communication with another user use MSN or AIM or some other messaging service.
- Do not post with numbers instead of letters.
- Posts in all caps might be deleted depending on several factors, such as post length, the poster/post being funny or not and the moderator that noticed the post. Staff works under the assumption that something funny "makes you laugh or chuckle a bit".
- Racism will not be tolerated unless it's funny
- Do not make threads of bullet points of suggestions enormously large where all the suggestions are really obvious stuff, you are not a developer, development doesn't work that way.
- Do not reply to threads without reading the whole posts before that one, in case you do post without reading, include a line stating the same.
- Do not post a lot of images that are unrelated to the thread. Your post will be deleted unless the images are funny. They usually are not.
- Moderators shall use context and relevance on decision of necrobumps permanence, if a thread has under five posts , it might be allowed even with few content, if it has more than five, then the necrobump will only be allowed in case the person is the original op.
- Homophobic behavior will not be tolerated unless it comes from gay people.
- Do not be an asshole, definition of asshole inclludes questioning someone sexuality, posting their face on porn pictures, reply to threads where you have no actual interest to publicize your own endeavours, post torrents, question the taste in music of the other persons, question the taste in games of the other person, questioning the superiority of the American race.
- Posts about Mortal Kombat will be ridiculed.
- Nazi symbolism should be avoided. Unless it's really funny. KKK symbolism is always allowed.
- Drug addicts should refrain from mentioning their drugs unless they brought enough for everyone.
- Do not post pictures of your penis.
- Do not post pictures of your vaginahahaha there are no girls here anyway
- Do not talk about bad anime (definition of bad anime in addendum section 42-1)
- Do not troll other users unless you use sophisticated humor, have attention to detail and use no more than thirty percent sarcasm.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 08, 2012, 01:01:30 am
Since holocaust related threads are banned there I suggest we bring back the idea of baning any other religion bashing threads.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 08, 2012, 01:02:05 am
I suggest banning E from making trolling posts.


If you cant see the difference between holocaust denying threads and other "race x is inferior to race y" threads to other themes, then you have a problem related to the ones I was talking about in said thread.
Do you not see anything wrong with those themes?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on October 08, 2012, 01:03:59 am
I do question why it was dumped though.  What makes holocaust threads any worse than the other things discussed in that forum?  We've had religion threads, political threads, threads calling users out for stuff they did in their personal life, threads about suicide and drugs, what makes this one so special?  You don't want a racist flame war?  When has that ever mattered before?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bea on October 08, 2012, 01:20:13 am
Well, several million people died at the holocaust and there is extensive documentation in forms of files, videos, pictures about that. It was extremely ugly, shocking, disgusting.
Denying it's existence is not only dumb, as there is proof that it happened, but also very offending.
Among Guild user base it is quite likely that there are people whose families suffered through it, or worse, people whose families took part on it.

Such kind of threads are only for baiting people and spread angry feelings among the user base. Nothing productive would EVER come out of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 08, 2012, 01:30:40 am
MC. None of those is as important as people doing racially charged threads, holocaust denying is one of said themes,  in the same way that I have banned people claiming support for nazism before. And have banned homophobes.
That thread was just bait.

Comparing holocaust denying to any thread that involves religion as a theme is balls to the wall retarded.
E isnt completely idiotic, so he knows this and is doing this because he is a bored person that wants to amuse himself with those he considers dumber than him or something.
 Asking me to justify why holocaust denying is wrong is ridiculous, but if you really need it, sure i will give it a go.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 08, 2012, 01:32:45 am
Since holocaust related threads are banned there I suggest we bring back the idea of baning any other religion bashing threads.
What religion bashing threads?

If you think there have been any religion bashing threads, grow the fuck up. There is way way way worse things people say about religion on the internet.

Be an adult and get a thicker skin, Jesus Christ. And if someone does make one solely dedicated to calling us religious guys idiots, the staff would delete it too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on October 08, 2012, 01:42:22 am
Since holocaust related threads are banned there I suggest we bring back the idea of baning any other religion bashing threads.

But then Iced won't be able to make anymore threads in All That's Left! :smartass:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on October 08, 2012, 01:57:04 am
Since holocaust related threads are banned there I suggest we bring back the idea of baning any other religion bashing threads.
What religion bashing threads?

If you think there have been any religion bashing threads, grow the fuck up. There is way way way worse things people say about religion on the internet.

Be an adult and get a thicker skin, Jesus Christ. And if someone does make one solely dedicated to calling us religious guys idiots, the staff would delete it too.

It's not a matter of being offended, it's a matter of double standards of acceptability.  Why should it be okay to talk shit on Christians or Athiests but not to make a topic about the possibility of the holocaust being fabricated?  They're both "hostile" so what's the problem?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 08, 2012, 01:57:30 am
I did watch the video, and it doesn't deny the holocaust, the mass murder of Jews, Gipsies, homosexuals and mentally disabled. It only says the facilities were ridiculously unequipped for the task described.
Now, sure, the topic itself was extremely badly presented - it just barged in and claimed "hey, that thing didn't exist and you're all sheep for believing what the Government tells you. ... Oh yeah, to see why, watch this obscure hour-and-a-half video that was buried and rejected for a quarter of a century". Or in other words "I just found a new obscure video and I saw the light, now I must spread it to you ignorant sheep like I know better than everyone else".
But I would see a topic discussing how exactly it happened, and if the descriptions that are in everyone's mind actually matches the reality of those particular facilities. I would see a topic presenting scientific evidence rather than only the commonly accepted bullet points of the holocaust (which I agree with). Why would I see a topic like that ? Because we've had far worse here.
The video itself had heavy flaws of course, but it was actually interestingly presented - and it doesn't try to make you think the holocaust didn't happen, contrary to the topic it was posted in. I'd think a topic opposing this video to other proofs contradicting it would be perfectly legit. We do see very often topics about religion that turn to shit for sillier reasons than this, so I don't see the difference as long as it's handled the same way. Racist and negationist people can be dealt with the same way as people who insist that people who commit the slightest crime deserve death, or people who keep claiming to be the only enlightened person on the planet and everyone is blind.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 08, 2012, 02:05:50 am
Why should it be okay to talk shit on Christians or Athiests
Oh that's easy. Neither one is okay.

There has not been anything flagrantly offensive to either groups, on the level of creating a Holocaust denial thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on October 08, 2012, 02:11:47 am
But we have had threads that start out one way and wind up bashing either side. This thread started out with a ridiculous comment but it wasn't what it was actually about. As per Byakko's comment
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I did watch the video, and it doesn't deny the holocaust, the mass murder of Jews, Gipsies, homosexuals and mentally disabled. It only says the facilities were ridiculously unequipped for the task described.
Only the topic makes that claim and fails to back it up.

And to some extent this is what i've been arguing about. Titiln's list is far too tongue in cheek, but there were a couple of points in there we could stand to put in place without having to change how we do things around here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 08, 2012, 02:17:37 am

I dont disagree with you.
A proper thread would be a proper thread, as it was it was just racist bait. Hence being, like i called it, holocaut denying thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on October 08, 2012, 02:21:34 am
So you're saying it was Jean's wording and not the topic and video itself that started a problem?  In that case why not just edit his post?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 08, 2012, 02:22:57 am
Wouldn't be much better, if someone wants to honestly discuss it they can repost it better. Editing people's post to make them look less obnoxious than they intended to be is not a habit around here, not changing the way people talk for the sake of keeping a subject of discussion.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on October 08, 2012, 02:27:01 am
I've already come up with an alternate title: "I just found this video that says the gas chambers didn't exist"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 02:31:17 am
well, iced could have told jean to edit his post or pm him.... then again aside for a few fail attemps of comedy by his part i don't really know the guy so i'm not sure if he is the type to make a thread as "hurr durr the holocaust didn't happen durr" causing iced to decide to remove th thread before it got worse

still, this could have been discussed with tehr est of teh staff before deleting the thread. but our evil emperor is not the kind to wait (and when he does peple get mad at him for not taking action fast enough)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 08, 2012, 02:37:51 am
So you're saying it was Jean's wording and not the topic and video itself that started a problem?  In that case why not just edit his post?
You dont edit the racism out of people.  You dont go around trying to take care of people so others dont ridicule them and make fun of them.
But when what they post can only lead to racist bait? I would rather delete them than having axkeeper repeats.
( best case scenario, people ridicule him, worse case scenario racists reveal themselves)
Im astonished that you cant tell the difference between a thread where people might get hurt feelings and someone making a thread denying the holocaust.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on October 08, 2012, 02:59:16 am
Having read said thread, doesn't come across like that at all. He leaves a lot of question marks in place and the whole thing has a questioning inflection. You'd get to the point where someone would have pointed out that the video says nothing of the sort (if what byakko says is accurate)

A comment stating expectations of the thread would have been first step i think. Deletion if racism kicked in.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 08, 2012, 03:03:35 am
Well, if it had been anyone other than Jean using the same words, it would have been on the limit and I myself wouldn't have seen it too badly.
But it was Jean, and he has a history of making similar posts with a purpose.
Essentially, he just straight out calls it a myth and names a random dude nobody knows as proof, expecting people to actually read that and watch this hour long video. Yeah, stopping here, that's bait. The "you decide what you want to believe" is ridiculous and doesn't actually let you decide anything, it's the kind of "you decide" that says "conspiracy theory".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on October 08, 2012, 03:36:27 am
That's true, i had kinda forgotten we'd seen something similar from him before. Still, you can get a productive thread out of a terrible first post.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 08, 2012, 05:20:30 am
You know, it would have been interesting to have a thread that talks about the holocaust, what with most of us being born after it all hapenned, several of us even living outside of europe/the usa and having no realtion to the holocaust at all, I did not even watch the video.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 05:25:35 am
but then people who had wouldn't have liked it and that would be bad
[avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/avatars/suzuBIG.png[/avatar]
instead let's have another "dumb christians/americans do dumb shit" thread
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 08, 2012, 05:29:08 am
You know, it would have been interesting to have a thread that talks about the holocaust
Then make one?

except you know, don't make a crazy Holocaust-denial thread (or gas chamber denial thread, whatever)

instead let's have another "dumb christians/americans do dumb shit" thread
No fuck you >:[
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 08, 2012, 05:32:56 am
instead let's have another "dumb christians/americans do dumb shit" thread
No fuck you >:[
I will.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 05:36:14 am
wait till we get home...
No fuck you >:[
well, i don't see you complaining when iced makes one
[avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/avatars/domonBIG.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 08, 2012, 05:55:14 am
I will.
Sorry but I'm not into weirdo anime people.

well, i don't see you complaining when iced makes one
Because they're just about dumb individuals.

also I was joking
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 06:03:52 am
yeah, the way i see it iced just happened to find news about dumb people doing dumb shit who in their majority happen to be eitehr christians or americans

either way he got walt pretty upset about it :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 08, 2012, 06:04:47 am
Sorry but I'm not into weirdo anime people.

Stop flattering yourself, I am gonig to fuck Edward not you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 06:55:20 am
that doesn't make me happy at all
[avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/avatars/mioBIG3.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 08, 2012, 07:02:12 am
waru warui, love is not always about happinness
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 07:14:11 am
wha-whatever, j-just do what you want.
[avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/avatars/tomokoBIG3.png[/avatar]
i-i'm not go-gonna like it anyway
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 08, 2012, 07:21:18 am
OK you two, take your fake flirting (worst kind BTW) to PM's, this is supposed to be a serious thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 07:30:02 am
i still think deleting the thread should have been discussed with the staff before doing it. i mean, one of the good things about guild is that discussions don't get censored before they even start like other forums do.

then again, i don't know if jean is the kind of guy who makes troll-bait threads or something (well, accoring to what was mentioned above that seems to be the case)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 08, 2012, 07:34:23 am
then again, i don't know if jean is the kind of guy who makes troll-bait threads or something (well, accoring to what was mentioned above that seems to be the case)
I don't think he intends to. He's just ends up doing so.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on October 08, 2012, 07:38:43 am
I remember reading the thread before Iced got to it and thinking to myself: "Wow. What a horrible first post." I literally thought that.

And I agree with Byakko; since it's Jean and not someone else, and he has a history, etc.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 07:41:44 am
so about this masao guy:
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people like him feed on your attention, just ignore him and he'll die eventually
either peolpe are really that stupid to reply to such an obvious troll who is not here to do anything else besides being "hurr random durr" like otehrs before him (who follow the same pattern) or they just like to play along with them while pretending to be all mad

he is doing teh exact same thing at mi but since the forum is dead nobody pays attention to him and decided to move here. just ban him he is not going to change. but most likely he'll just return with an alternate account so in order to make him realy leave people need to stop giving him the kind of attention he wants (an easily gets)
[avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/avatars/ikamusumeBIG12.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on October 08, 2012, 08:43:33 am
i still think deleting the thread should have been discussed with the staff before doing it.

Iced talked to me about it before he did it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on October 08, 2012, 08:47:10 am
so about this masao guy:
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people like him feed on your attention, just ignore him and he'll die eventually
either peolpe are really that stupid to reply to such an obvious troll who is not here to do anything else besides being "hurr random durr" like otehrs before him (who follow the same pattern) or they just like to play along with them while pretending to be all mad

he is doing teh exact same thing at mi but since the forum is dead nobody pays attention to him and decided to move here. just ban him he is not going to change. but most likely he'll just return with an alternate account so in order to make him realy leave people need to stop giving him the kind of attention he wants (an easily gets)
Both. People are stupid enough to play along. Without realising they're really just doing what he wants. You're not making him look dumb you know, he only looks dumb if he gets no visible response to his "stupidity"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on October 08, 2012, 09:33:23 am
dumb christians/americans
Why are you writing 3 times the same word ? ::)

Let's instead discuss how 9/11 was planned by the American Government itself, or how the trip to the moon was all a fake.

Okay, smelly/arrogant/French is out. :ninja:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 08, 2012, 10:02:41 am
hey remember when I said this
supposed to be a serious thread.

But hey, if you want to make ridiculously moronic statements about how much you hate America or whatever, make a thread in All That's Left so that people can rightly mock you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on October 08, 2012, 10:20:51 am
i really hope cy is joking with that. but I think he is. If not then theres a problem.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on October 08, 2012, 10:45:41 am
I certainly hope he is, otherwise the irony of someone butchering the English language with the phrase "writing 3 times the same word" and calling other people dumb would be overwhelming.  He's not that stupid.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 08, 2012, 11:01:10 am
oh my god you guys, seriously
hey remember when I said this
supposed to be a serious thread.
STOP IT

If you want to mock Cybaster, please make a thread called "Feedback to feeback to warnings" or something, just stop derailing this thread!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 08, 2012, 11:19:44 am
Jean pmed me asking why I deleted the thread, I directed him to this one thread.
He claims that it wasnt a holocaust denying thread and that I made some poor shortcuts in decisions.
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Iced, why did you delete my topic without letting people, not even believe, but just at least have a different perspective on the matter ?

(..)

What are you afraid of ?

I rather this be public. Jean you can read the explanation on the last posts.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on October 08, 2012, 01:25:39 pm
To get back on-topic (yes, I can). After reading the topic, I agree with Cyanide's 1st statement :
Having read said thread, doesn't come across like that at all. He leaves a lot of question marks in place and the whole thing has a questioning inflection.

About Jean : yes, he does make this kind of posts on purpose. He wants to shock to get attention. It's the way tabloids do their stuff. Is it always a good thing ? Certainly not. However, in this case, I don't think it was some sort of trolling. He wasn't questionning the existence of gas chambers, just linking to the video while asking questions.

So yes, the 1st post may have been badly worded. Yes, the subject at hand is disturbing and not the kind people like. Yes, Jean sort of has a history with "shocking topics". it doesn't mean this topic was a gas chamber denying one nor that it should have been deleted so fast.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 08, 2012, 01:47:33 pm
He wasn't questionning the existence of gas chambers
He kind of was.
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Gas chambers ... is a myth ? Robert Faurisson prooves it.
The rest of his "questions" are written in such a way that he might as well have said "History is lying to you, school is manipulating you, the truth is out there, let me enlighten you". Especially the "you decide what you want to believe" and "i just could not resist posting this" at the end which are the same as a rhetorical question after saying "this nobody proves it".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on October 08, 2012, 01:53:33 pm
Yeah, the problem may be that I am biased. I didn't watch the video, but the subject of the video is so absurd I read the part "Robert Faurisson prooves it" as some sort of ironic post. A bit like "1+1 = ... 3 ? A 5 year old proves it".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 08, 2012, 01:57:18 pm
Oh no, it's totally serious, and the fact that it's Jean posting it "proves" that this is what he meant.
"I have proof ! But you decide what to believe." Oh really.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 08, 2012, 02:55:44 pm
i think that was a really fucking stupid thread but i would've at least let it up for a longer time until more people said "this thread is ridiculous" or whatever
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 03:26:45 pm
or at least until pikachu-guy and c.a.n stat posting on it and ruin the thread for everyone
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on October 10, 2012, 05:51:29 pm
Masao was getting really annoying; I'm glad he is gone forever!

Thank you for your continued service!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on October 10, 2012, 05:58:02 pm
no problem
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on October 10, 2012, 05:59:01 pm
for continued service I'm gonna merge this into the feedback to warnings thread ;)[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/reg6.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on October 10, 2012, 06:07:36 pm
Masao was a horrible gimmick poster. Please don't take so long to take care of folks like that next time :sadgoi:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 10, 2012, 06:11:49 pm
Masao was a horrible gimmick poster. Please don't take so long to take care of folks like that next time :sadgoi:
Masao didn't take a long time. He lasted exactly as long as he should've; a low level shitposter and or troll who was given opportunities to prove he could improve and he failed to take advantage of those.

If he was spamming threads all over the place he'd have been gone much sooner, but he wasn't. If it really bothers you so much to see someone make a few posts everyday you should find someplace less stressful.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 10, 2012, 06:22:34 pm
orochi gill your self-righteous bullshit is getting really annoying
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on October 10, 2012, 06:46:03 pm
+1
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on October 10, 2012, 09:13:06 pm
Masao was a horrible gimmick poster.

I completely agree with you on this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 14, 2012, 07:56:59 pm
By the way, I think someone is taking his place, I might be wrong though. Be careful.  :nink:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 16, 2012, 02:06:43 pm
I don't merge my post this time.
I would post this in Warnings or Decisions but since I'm not one of the staff, I'll post it here.
I would have reported it but they're PMs.
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Go To http://zatchbell.wikia.com/wiki/Laila_and_Albert To Get 2 Moves With Albert And I Wrote Moonlight Kick In Special
Crated And Download Tommorow.
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Okay G.O.D You Ready

Guess who he is, he is the same person. And he is requesting something to be made. To me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 16, 2012, 02:43:32 pm
There's a button in the PM, bottom left corner, nearly invisible, that serves to report the PM to the admins.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 16, 2012, 02:44:39 pm
Sorry about that, I'll do it now. Thanks for telling me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on October 16, 2012, 07:47:33 pm
This may sound rude but... does this guy have some sort of mental illness? by the way he types and the way he sounds on his video, lives in New York, thought he was a little kid but apparently he is 21 and is definitely not a foreigner, just wanna clarify if people with such conditions could be considered as trolls? I noticed the problem he has communicating with others or perhaps not able to explain something correctly, if this was the case, would it be unfair for this guy to be banned?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 16, 2012, 10:01:26 pm
He will be treated as any other kid that registers on the guild, if he starts spamming or whatever, people will have patience with him and explain him what is wrong with it once, but not repeatedly. Hes not getting banned over his mental issues, thats for sure



Ive banned people that were claiming to be crying over orochi gill not making characters for them and how mods should intervene.
If someone isnt able to deal with others in a socially acceptable manner then their place is not interacting with others in a forum.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on October 20, 2012, 04:59:38 pm
just shut up, or I make you get banned.
Liar. Bluffer.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 20, 2012, 05:25:59 pm
It's not hard, you just have to keep poking at him, telling him just the right things so he actually replies (without sounding like you're provoking him yourself, but like you're the good guy), then he goes mad and starts throwing shit all over the place and you guys ban him. Pretty normal strategy :mmiley:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 20, 2012, 06:05:37 pm
Yeah, it's kinda boring that it still works, Dumbass.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 20, 2012, 07:03:30 pm
Good strategy! ;D

I told Shafty that no one will make something for him here that day I reported the PM, the result is that he stopped posting.

About PMs, which Admin do I have to report them to? All of the admins or only Iced?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on October 20, 2012, 07:53:59 pm
Since Iced is the admin that is more active in this forum, it's better you send it to him. You can also send it to GMods too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on October 20, 2012, 08:22:54 pm
Liar. Bluffer.
I'd just send a guy called Rajaa on his ass. Should do the trick. :mugoi:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on October 20, 2012, 08:31:02 pm
Since Iced is the admin that is more active in this forum, it's better you send it to him. You can also send it to GMods too.

Yes. Yes, all such things should be sent to Iced exclusively. :yesgoi:[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/pipeumad.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on October 20, 2012, 10:17:35 pm
I didn't mean that you could skip your duty >:(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 20, 2012, 10:55:11 pm
Heheheh...
Thanks for the help, I won't bother you now for silly things. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 21, 2012, 12:39:16 am
It's not hard, you just have to keep poking at him, telling him just the right things so he actually replies (without sounding like you're provoking him yourself, but like you're the good guy), then he goes mad and starts throwing shit all over the place and you guys ban him. Pretty normal strategy :mmiley:
Or maybe we could try and help him become a productive member of the community by explaining what he is doing and why it's wrong. And if he doesn't listen, then ban him.

or I guess we could go with your way of acting like a douche to every newcomer
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 21, 2012, 12:49:32 am
Yeah, way to overreact, clearly I'm saying this should be done to everyone and not just complete assholes who have already displayed total disregard for all kind of open discussion and reasonable behavior. I'm also being very serious and not obviously joking. This is obviously "my way" even though I haven't had any interaction in several years with a newcomer that didn't know what he was doing (and even though I've never done that to begin with). Stop being an idiot. You're making shit up in your head about me for no reason other than you don't like me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 21, 2012, 01:01:14 am
First, fuck you, and second, don't take everything as an aggression.
;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 21, 2012, 01:16:01 am
Right, saying for no reason that I'm a douche to all newcomers is not an aggression.
(if you look closely at the strategy I posted above, you'll see that you're supposed to look like you're not attacking the other out of nowhere ;) otherwise it's just you who are the douche)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on October 21, 2012, 02:27:37 am
Let's drop the tension between the both of you and come to the agreement that if someone is not doing something that they are not supposed to, that it should be dealt with in a mature manner. It can be strict, but not in a way that we are calling someone out in a derogatory way. I believe you two can both agree that doing this for the better of a newcomer in the community is far more better than just getting someone upset on purpose and getting themselves banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 21, 2012, 02:33:14 am
I've never said anything against that - I haven't even said anything about newcomers and I'm not arguing about how mods should handle anyone. I was just humoring Cybaster's fake and hypothetical threat and Rajaa calling him out on bluff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on October 21, 2012, 03:34:17 am
To be fair, some mods have at times used that strategy. Poke poke poke OOH broke rules bye bye. It happens/happened.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on October 21, 2012, 05:24:50 am
I don't think anyone has literally sat down at their computer, looked at their computer's screen, and told themselves that they're going to heckle a person until that person is banned/ban-able. I think it just happens to turn out that way sometimes. Consciously making an effort to force someone into a corner is much worse.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 22, 2012, 09:11:56 pm
well, iced does. with that passive aggresiveness of his (or at least that's what everyone else says)
[avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/avatars/applejackBIG2.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 22, 2012, 09:15:25 pm
well, iced does. with that passive aggresiveness of his (or at leats that's what everyone else says)
People who say that are full of shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on October 22, 2012, 10:16:18 pm
Get off Iced's dick -- that's one cold fuck.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 22, 2012, 10:23:25 pm
Stop fighting for my affection.
I got enough for everyone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 22, 2012, 10:26:11 pm
Get off Iced's dick -- that's one cold fuck.
Eww, have you seen him?

The only dick I'm on is the dick of facts!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 22, 2012, 10:33:51 pm
The only dick I'm on is the dick of facts!
That's way too small and a boring fuck.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on October 22, 2012, 10:40:24 pm
Jmorphman definitely likes to get his facts straight.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 14, 2012, 03:07:47 pm
tortuga gensho's month ban is proper.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on November 14, 2012, 04:32:51 pm
Agreed
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 14, 2012, 10:44:17 pm
as for his previous ban it was set by me and it was over similarly stupid bullshit, i can't remember exactly what though
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on November 14, 2012, 11:06:27 pm
"Quit being a fucking idiot" is all we have to go on.

Didn't realise it was his second. Month is fine.

I'd never even seen him before that thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on November 14, 2012, 11:08:09 pm
pretty sure this isn't his second but rather like his... fourth? i remember he shitstirs a lot
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on November 14, 2012, 11:21:14 pm
pretty sure this isn't his second but rather like his... fourth? i remember he shitstirs a lot
There was only one previous in the ban log and that's the only thing I could find. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on November 15, 2012, 04:50:54 am
His post history shows a lot of his horrendous attitude.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on November 15, 2012, 05:25:19 am
Oh, he was banned before for the same thing?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on November 15, 2012, 10:37:49 am
"Quit being a fucking idiot" is all we have to go on.
LOL.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 30, 2012, 02:42:21 pm
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I don't think Navana should be banned because he didn't answer a question in a thread. He was ignoring you, if he's capable of doing that, then we should all be capable of ignoring him.
that's not how forum moderation works at all
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on November 30, 2012, 03:00:27 pm
Honestly, I agree with Rajaa. It was an obvious attempt at gaining attention that ended up in some people talking about Yugioh and MI, which was possibly the best result as we stopped paying attention to whatever he said. We should do that each time he pulls that stunt, either that or ignoring him. Banning him for three days does nothing at all, in fact he may think he's getting more attention, enough to be banned, and attempt again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on November 30, 2012, 03:16:12 pm
Good luck getting everyone to go along with the "let's just ignore him and he'll go away" plan, that always works.
As long as he's pulling crap, there will be people to pay attention to him, and it will turn into something like this that spans several days of wondering if he needs to be banned or not. And the fact is, he's causing that knowingly and on purpose.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on December 01, 2012, 12:45:02 am
MissBHaven said:
Ignoring a moderator is only a serious problem if the moderator is directing someone to stop breaking rules.  As far as I know making a fake MI, linking to a fake MI, lying (if in fact it is a lie) about making a fake MI or anything to do with a fake MI is not against any rules.
But... pissing off users, mods and admins IS against any rules?? I mean, I've nothing against Navana, but he's clearly making trouble and bothering with his attitude, and this isn't new. And there's a lot of people that has been banned before because of this, why he could make a difference??

Now, about getting permabanned or just banned for a time, I washed my hands... there's a lot of people who want Navana permabanned (since admins to normal users), but that's not my case
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 01, 2012, 01:37:04 am
You all have an ignore option. It's in your profile. Apply it to him if he annoys you. That way you have to actively be annoyed by him. Feel free to use it.

We would prefer that than banning because is this truly and honestly worth a perma ban? Really? He's annoying a few people so permaban?

Use your ignore option please. It's far simpler than us doing an unjustified permanent ban to solve a problem that is mostly other people who can't ignore someone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 01, 2012, 01:42:26 am
why ban anyone under that logic?

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As far as I know making a fake MI, linking to a fake MI, lying (if in fact it is a lie) about making a fake MI or anything to do with a fake MI is not against any rules.
this instance isolated is not worth action. this instance, taking into account everything that previously happened, is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on December 01, 2012, 01:58:49 am
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I don't think Navana should be banned because he didn't answer a question in a thread. He was ignoring you, if he's capable of doing that, then we should all be capable of ignoring him.
that's not how forum moderation works at all

Given the question that he was being asked, he wasn't being moderated, he was being picked on.

Also, my statement was more along the lines of EVERYONE ignoring him when he's not breaking any rules, not how to moderate him. But we all know that's not going to happen in reality.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 01, 2012, 02:04:49 am
why ban anyone under that logic?

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As far as I know making a fake MI, linking to a fake MI, lying (if in fact it is a lie) about making a fake MI or anything to do with a fake MI is not against any rules.
this instance isolated is not worth action. this instance, taking into account everything that previously happened, is.
People being annoyed by him is totally different to someone posting porn, or shock images, or being a complete asshole. He makes posts that don't annoy me at all. Not even slightly. He's only annoying if you engage with him. He posts the same way regardless of your interaction. This is kind of self inflicted. You get annoyed by him because you let him annoy you.

If you want that to stop, ignore him. Maybe it'll stop altogether and we don't need to spend time fucking with fake accounts of him coming back over and over.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 01, 2012, 02:10:03 am
If he were that annoying in something regarding actual mugen works, I would support the ban, but he seems to get annoying in unrelated sections so a permaban is too much, still a 3 days ban might be too short, a week or month long ban should be deserved now if only because he has been banned too often.


(personally he hardly ever annoys me, as attention whoring seems to be his bigger fault is nto as bad as ruining topic or being too rude to people)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 01, 2012, 06:29:14 am
People being annoyed by him is totally different to someone posting porn, or shock images, or being a complete asshole.
the amount of people that get banned over porn or shock images is minimal compared to the amount of people banned for being annoying or assholes, so that's not exactly relevant. plus if someone's being a complete asshole, put them on ignore. it's just words, right. it's not anything illegal. why ban anyone for that.

what counts as annoying or being an asshole are clearly subjective things. while he might not annoy you, he has annoyed other users to the point some staff members believe navana deserves a ban.

attention whoring seems to be his bigger fault is nto as bad as ruining topic
his attention whoring ruins threads.
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1671044
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1669682
it also creates shit threads by proxy
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/reacting-146186.0.html

Given the question that he was being asked, he wasn't being moderated, he was being picked on.
he was being moderated on grounds of dishonesty
the rules said:
Do not lie, be honest
a rule he disregarded several times. you might as well remove that line from the rules. while i can easily put him on ignore (just like i could with any offensive user), i don't believe the rest of the userbase should be subject to his constant horseshit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 01, 2012, 08:01:33 am
good points, I guess it's similar to the gbk case, where the people (including staff ) that he managed to piss off all wanted him bnned, while the people uninvolved did not even want him banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on December 01, 2012, 08:13:13 am
good points, I guess it's similar to the gbk case, where the people (including staff ) that he managed to piss off all wanted him bnned, while the people uninvolved did not even want him banned.
(http://caddie.smeenet.org/gbkkeanu2.png)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on December 01, 2012, 08:40:06 am
Lol, I miss that guy
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 01, 2012, 08:59:25 am
So he made stupid posts and everyone responded to them. His post didn't ruin the thread. It was just a load of shit that happens any time someone people think is stupid posts and they feel this need to correct them and prove how dumb they are. Every single time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on December 01, 2012, 01:00:30 pm
plus if someone's being a complete asshole, put them on ignore. it's just words, right. it's not anything illegal. why ban anyone for that.
I think only MissBhaven believes that. And I don't even think she believes that she believes that.

he was being moderated on grounds of dishonesty
the rules said:
Do not lie, be honest
a rule he disregarded several times. you might as well remove that line from the rules. while i can easily put him on ignore (just like i could with any offensive user), i don't believe the rest of the userbase should be subject to his constant horseshit.
Thanks for reminding me of that rule. It's been so long since someone had to be be banned purely for lying that I forgot that part existed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on December 01, 2012, 01:14:28 pm
As long as he posts, someone will respond. You will never find a time where everyone suddenly gets enlightened and actually ignores him. As long as he posts, there will be a clash, one way or another. One day with this person, an other day with that person. And he's causing those clashes.
"Just ignore him" is a shit response. If he's doing something bad, he should know the consequences. If he's doing it repeatedly, on purpose and everything, it's his fault. Not the fault of those who respond. Well, a bit, but from a broader point of view, it's not.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on December 01, 2012, 01:18:21 pm
 
plus if someone's being a complete asshole, put them on ignore. it's just words, right. it's not anything illegal. why ban anyone for that.
I think only MissBhaven believes that. And I don't even think she believes that she believes that.

he was being moderated on grounds of dishonesty
the rules said:
Do not lie, be honest
a rule he disregarded several times. you might as well remove that line from the rules. while i can easily put him on ignore (just like i could with any offensive user), i don't believe the rest of the userbase should be subject to his constant horseshit.
Thanks for reminding me of that rule. It's been so long since someone had to be be banned purely for lying that I forgot that part existed.


Says the guy who set up a fake MI a few years back and the other guy who pretended to be female.  Except that was all fun and games, right?  It was different when Titiln and Rajaa did it.  It occurred to me about 4 am that Navana is acting like one of the gaggle of 14 year old girls I see at the mall. Obnoxious, attention seeking, DRAMA, everything that most mature people don't like to be around, but ignore or tolerate.

I dont think any of you want to start forcing the "be honest" rule and it's not fair for you to cherry pick who has to follow which rules ALL of the time.  If we start banning people because we can't stand their obnoxious posting, I have a growing list I'd like to submit.  I know I can't isolate myself from crude, intolerant, loudmouthed, nasty, hateful people (here or out there in the real world) so I chose to ignore them.

:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on December 01, 2012, 01:20:00 pm
I know I can't isolate myself from crude, intolerant, loudmouthed, nasty, hateful people (here or out there in the real world) so I chose to ignore them.
Good for you, except you're the government who is supposed to protect those who can't be as clever as you.
Why are you a gmod, anyway ? What does it mean to you, and what actions do you take for it ? You only talk about things not to do.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on December 01, 2012, 01:33:48 pm
As long as he posts, someone will respond. You will never find a time where everyone suddenly gets enlightened and actually ignores him.
We already know that and we have expressed multiple times that that's just wishful thinking. It is, however, possible to create a culture in which attention whores are simply ignored once they're discovered to be, in fact, attention whores. It doesn't hurt to implant the idea into people's heads.

Says the guy who set up a fake MI a few years back and the other guy who pretended to be female.  Except that was all fun and games, right?  It was different when Titiln and Rajaa did it.  It occurred to me about 4 am that Navana is acting like one of the gaggle of 14 year old girls I see at the mall. Obnoxious, attention seeking, DRAMA, everything that most mature people don't like to be around, but ignore or tolerate.
I had no contribution to the creating of that fake MI board and the difference between now and then is that everyone knew it was fake and nobody lied about who created it.

I dont think any of you want to start forcing the "be honest" rule and it's not fair for you to cherry pick who has to follow which rules ALL of the time.  If we start banning people because we can't stand their obnoxious posting, I have a growing list I'd like to submit.  I know I can't isolate myself from crude, intolerant, loudmouthed, nasty, hateful people (here or out there in the real world) so I chose to ignore them.

:bow:
That rule was there when we became moderators, and it has remained there ever since. And enforcing rules for certain people who continuously break certain rules is exactly why certain rules exist, I don't see your point. Plus, even if you do personally think that certain people are being obnoxious, not every obnoxious person ruins threads, etc, so the rules don't necessarily need to be enforced on them. Discretion is a wonderful thing, isn't it? Just because one person needs to be banned for breaking a certain rule, doesn't everybody needs to be banned. Depends on intention, history, etc.

This goes back to: Do basic social skills need to be in the rules?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on December 01, 2012, 02:23:05 pm
Why are you a gmod, anyway ? What does it mean to you, and what actions do you take for it ?

I was asked to help and I agreed.  I've never made it a secret that I'm a terrible moderator and that I wont change my stance that banning should be avoided (except for something illegal), moderation should be behind the scenes and hands off for the most part and that most people are reasonable and can work out differences.

I had no contribution to the creating of that fake MI board and the difference between now and then is that everyone knew it was fake.

Not exactly...  Kratos (for one) was deceived into thinking it was real.  Using the exact same skin, boards, etc is an attempt to trick people, not announcing it's fake.  I thought it was a clever prank myself.

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That rule was there when we became moderators, and it has remained there ever since. And enforcing rules for certain people who continuously break certain rules is exactly why certain rules exist, I don't see your point. Plus, even if you do personally think that certain people are being obnoxious, not every obnoxious person ruins threads, etc, so the rules don't necessarily need to be enforced on them. Discretion is a wonderful thing, isn't it? Just because one person needs to be banned for breaking a certain rule, doesn't everybody needs to be banned. Depends on intention, history, etc.

This goes back to: Do basic social skills need to be in the rules?

I think we agree that Navana doesnt ruin every thread he posts in by being obnoxious.  And I dont believe any of us knows a persons intention 100% of the time.

What kind of basic social skills?  Because you are getting into an area of discrimination there.

:bow:

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: hjk on December 01, 2012, 02:25:16 pm
As long as he posts, someone will respond. You will never find a time where everyone suddenly gets enlightened and actually ignores him. As long as he posts, there will be a clash, one way or another. One day with this person, an other day with that person. And he's causing those clashes.
"Just ignore him" is a shit response. If he's doing something bad, he should know the consequences. If he's doing it repeatedly, on purpose and everything, it's his fault. Not the fault of those who respond. Well, a bit, but from a broader point of view, it's not.
'I can't grow up and ignore him,' is a shit response. No matter how many people feel compelled to reply, they're just being stupid and it's their own faults.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on December 01, 2012, 02:51:35 pm
I just said that, you're quoting me saying that. I'm also saying it's their fault on the scale of one happening, but overall, it's not. If one person is constantly making it so people react this way, and on a regular basis, he's the cause of it. It's a question of judging the gun or the shooter.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on December 01, 2012, 03:02:18 pm
I had no contribution to the creating of that fake MI board and the difference between now and then is that everyone knew it was fake.

Not exactly...  Kratos (for one) was deceived into thinking it was real.  Using the exact same skin, boards, etc is an attempt to trick people, not announcing it's fake.  I thought it was a clever prank myself.
Wasn't the forum made on April Fools' day?

And I dont believe any of us knows a persons intention 100% of the time.
Let's not ban because we don't know people's intentions 100% of the time. I take it that you're not a fan of criminal trials and juries?

What kind of basic social skills?  Because you are getting into an area of discrimination there.

:bow:
What other kind of basic social skills? Don't be Navana; don't be named John Bilski; don't be gay; don't exist.

Those are basic social skills. Keep up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: hjk on December 01, 2012, 03:11:54 pm
As long as he posts, someone will respond. You will never find a time where everyone suddenly gets enlightened and actually ignores him. As long as he posts, there will be a clash, one way or another. One day with this person, an other day with that person. And he's causing those clashes.
"Just ignore him" is a shit response. If he's doing something bad, he should know the consequences. If he's doing it repeatedly, on purpose and everything, it's his fault. Not the fault of those who respond. Well, a bit, but from a broader point of view, it's not.
Not to draw this out, but I bolded the parts of your post that I'm reacting to. I'm saying that the reactor holds the most blame, not Navana.

But I see what you're saying. I thought you were targeting him, which you weren't, so I'll withdraw.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on December 01, 2012, 03:15:18 pm
I'm saying that the reactor holds the most blame, not Navana.

I thought you were targeting him, which you weren't
In the part you bold, when I say "Not the fault of those who respond. Well, a bit, but from a broader point of view, it's not" by opposition it means the one reacting are responsible for it only on a small scale. On a bigger scale, when it happens repeatedly, the ones reacting are not the cause, they're the effect. The cause is still Navana. I am targeting him. When you say the one responsible are the ones who react, you're looking at a too small scale, you're looking at one particular event and judging the whole situation for it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on December 01, 2012, 03:15:55 pm
Wasn't the forum made on April Fools' day?

No, that would have been too obvious, even for Kratos.

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And I dont believe any of us knows a persons intention 100% of the time.
Let's not ban because we don't know people's intentions 100% of the time. I take it that you're not a fan of criminal trials and juries?

Pay attention cupcake, I already said I support banning someone who's done something illegal.

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What kind of basic social skills?  Because you are getting into an area of discrimination there.

:bow:
What other kind of basic social skills? Don't be Navana; don't be named John Bilski; don't be gay; don't exist.

Those are basic social skills. Keep up.

This comment is totally uncalled for in this thread.

I'm sure I'm splitting hairs, but saying someone has to have social skills to post here is a bit different than saying someone most post here in a socially acceptable way. 

:bow:   <-  yes I use a smilie at the end of my posts to irritate people,  should I be banned for it?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on December 01, 2012, 03:17:37 pm
Pay attention cupcake, I already said I support banning someone who's done something illegal.
But what if it wasn't his intention ?? Should we be banning him if he's only a victim ?? We can't be 100% sure !
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: hjk on December 01, 2012, 03:21:59 pm
In the part you bold, when I say "Not the fault of those who respond. Well, a bit, but from a broader point of view, it's not" by opposition it means the one reacting are responsible for it only on a small scale. On a bigger scale, when it happens repeatedly, the ones reacting are not the cause, they're the effect. The cause is still Navana. I am targeting him. When you say the one responsible are the ones who react, you're looking at a too small scale, you're looking at one particular event and judging the whole situation for it.
That's how I interpreted it, but we'll just agree to disagree.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 01, 2012, 03:48:04 pm
fake mugen infantry was made on or around april fools, was not associated to a mystery bullshit name and was quickly revealed to be a joke (even though it was fairly obvious and most people didn't fall for it). from the ridiculous angle (i bought it from aztec) to the date (april fools or very near it) to the forum itself having joke descriptions for some of the boards it should've been obvious that it was a joke and i was surprised anyone at all fell for it. none of that applies to navana who attempted to cash in for the lack of a forum to make his own and get some activity. nice try though

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So he made stupid posts and everyone responded to them. His post didn't ruin the thread. It was just a load of shit that happens any time someone people think is stupid posts and they feel this need to correct them and prove how dumb they are. Every single time.
unban peterfoster. i didn't mind his posts. i hella liked his posts. anyone that doesn't like him can just put him on ignore. it's not his fault that people respond to the stupid posts he makes. this goes for everybody that got banned for just being a shitty poster.


Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on December 01, 2012, 04:21:26 pm
Given the question that he was being asked, he wasn't being moderated, he was being picked on.
Seriously? A simple question is picking on him?

good points, I guess it's similar to the gbk case, where the people (including staff ) that he managed to piss off all wanted him bnned, while the people uninvolved did not even want him banned.
Nobody is pissed off by Navana. And nobody was pissed off by GBK.

Why are you a gmod, anyway ? What does it mean to you, and what actions do you take for it ? You only talk about things not to do.
It's good to have a dissenting voice in things.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on December 01, 2012, 04:25:53 pm
Pay attention cupcake, I already said I support banning someone who's done something illegal.
My point was that people don't get convicted on 100% certainty. Of course, this isn't a criminal trial, but this example is not a wild comparison considering it points out that no one can be 100% sure of something unless they actually witnessed it with their own senses. And even senses aren't  100% accurate. That's why relying on past events and behaviors to make a decision on someone is useful, because it helps us determine what the intent of someone might be. Navana, in this case, has various examples of lying and conniving.

This comment is totally uncalled for in this thread.
I guess I need to work on my social skills.

I'm sure I'm splitting hairs, but saying someone has to have social skills to post here is a bit different than saying someone most post here in a socially acceptable way. 
Nobody said someone should be banned for not having social skills, I just said that the sub discussion that we were having comes down to us having basic social interactions in the rules so we don't have to hear you complain about banning someone for something that's not in the rules. I thought that was clear, apparently it wasn't, so I hope you understand now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on December 01, 2012, 05:45:04 pm
Why are you a gmod, anyway ? What does it mean to you, and what actions do you take for it ? You only talk about things not to do.
It's good to have a dissenting voice in things.
This topic.
Of course it depends if, in your mind, discussions here have the same weigh as a discussion in the staff section. I really mean in your mind, the discussions are mostly going well here, you treat this topic seriously enough, but does it weigh as much ? If MBH was not staff but saying the same things here than she says in the staff section, would it be the same in your head ?

I'm not trying to imply you treat staff differently than you treat the plebe, I'm saying that if you don't, then the real difference between being a gmod and not being one is actually having the power to do things, not being the voice of opposition, since this topic works just fine for that. And if someone doesn't use those powers (as long as they're being used rightfully etc. of course), what worth does it have to have them ?
(again, this is assuming an equal value in the words of different people, the above would be terribly bad in the opposite situation)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on December 01, 2012, 07:14:47 pm
This topic.
Yes but I meant among the mods.

Of course it depends if, in your mind, discussions here have the same weigh as a discussion in the staff section.
It doesn't. It's important, but not equal.

If MBH was not staff but saying the same things here than she says in the staff section, would it be the same in your head ?
Personally, I don't think it would be. For a whole bunch of reasons.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 01, 2012, 10:05:46 pm
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unban peterfoster. i didn't mind his posts. i hella liked his posts. anyone that doesn't like him can just put him on ignore. it's not his fault that people respond to the stupid posts he makes. this goes for everybody that got banned for just being a shitty poster.
Peterfoster posted about 3 times as much as navana and made threads at a much greater rate than him as well. He was ACTIVELY disruptive. And "don't be a shitty poster" was never in the rules and we shouldn't have banned anyone for it as it makes us look like massive hypocrits. We have the option now, but when peter and a variety of other people were banned, we did not.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on December 01, 2012, 10:16:54 pm
"Don't be a shitty poster" is in the rules though. It's the summation of the entire rules thread, in fact.

p.s. not banning someone unless they do something "illegal" is not just a dissenting opinion, it's a fucking ridiculous standard that should be held by a failed cop that got kicked off the force, not some global mod on a mugen forum. Get real imo
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on December 01, 2012, 10:35:39 pm
Find myself agreeing with tempest.

Also comparing pranks to someone that repeatedly lies, gets caught, denies, comes back and begs forgiveness, lies again, gets caught,denies,  comes back and begs forgiveness over and over again is literalist and dumb as nails.
Navana wasnt banned over pretending to be a woman, same way that mbh wasnt banned over joking about being a man, EVEN THO everyone knows that mbh was joking and Navana was stealing photos from a real girl to do it and try to manipulate people.
Someone doing a prank on someone else is not the same as someone THAT LITERALLY PRETENDS TO HAVE NO MUGEN SKILLS SO THEY CAN GET CODERS TO TEACH HIM CODING(even after caddie trained him ) . Holy shit.  Its someone that preys on people that dont know them in order to get them to waste their time. If you had someone coming to your neighbourhood pretending to be homeless and begging money off people when they didnt even need the money you would want to get rid of the person.

I dont care if navana gets banned or not, i already permabanned him once for being manipulative and lying constantly. But having a discussion about his behaviour turn into literalism and detail bickering is dumb, weigh in what he is doing and what effects it could have, and decide if its worth ignoring or not, dont go around acting like pseudo lawyers.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 01, 2012, 10:55:18 pm
Everyones definition of "shitty poster" is different and making a post many users see as dumb is not the same as doing something wrong. If you're stupid, don't join this forum. Yep, excellent mentality.

It is not our job to "fix" people. A moderator is a janitor. Badgering someone to obey some forum mentality isn't something we should be doing.

I'm with MBH, i think we permaban too much for little things. And this is little. Very little.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on December 01, 2012, 10:56:41 pm
man, this guy navana sure got exaclty what he wanted becasue you fuckers can't stop talking about him
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on December 01, 2012, 11:44:53 pm
Why are so many of you defending Navana?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cazaki on December 01, 2012, 11:55:09 pm
I think Navana isn't a such a problem if you cool your jets.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on December 01, 2012, 11:59:12 pm
Been trying to but he's derailed so much of the forum, really if the moderators are supposed to be "Janitors" then could you at least clean the source of the filth? Also if said person isn't going to obey forum rules then why not do something about him?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 01, 2012, 11:59:37 pm
the ones that haven't dealt with navana don't see it as a big deal and isolate the issue, the ones that have dealt with him for longer and are aware of how many times he has pulled similar shit, however, do. if he was previously banned (permanently somehow, but he came back so i guess he was forgiven?) on grounds of lying then he clearly should be banned again, because he's lying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cazaki on December 02, 2012, 12:02:53 am
I guess you're right, I don't think I'll understand why it's a big deal
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on December 02, 2012, 12:08:03 am
He lies, he uses people, (Such as Ryon for example), and then he whines about it asking for sympathy. Not only that but his smug attitude and constant ignoring of the rules. He contributes nothing to the forum at all, his releases are shit or often cries of attention.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on December 02, 2012, 12:11:25 am
Just the way he made a stage that people liked and then said he'd make it private because they liked it irked me. Add that on top of the rest of his crap and I have to go with banning too. I don't care about the stage at all, it's just further proof of what he is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Joulz on December 02, 2012, 01:38:11 am
man, this guy navana sure got exaclty what he wanted becasue you fuckers can't stop talking about him

that is exactly what i've been thinking for a while now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 02, 2012, 05:38:09 am
Let's ban all heretics as well.

Honestly I've dealt with him and even I think a permaban is overkill
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on December 02, 2012, 11:11:25 am
fake mugen infantry was made on or around april fools,

I thought it was earlier in March, but you're probably right.  Whenever... it was a lot of fun.

Things just don't bother me as much as they do everyone else I guess.

:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on December 02, 2012, 12:01:46 pm
Honestly I've dealt with him and even I think a permaban is overkill
Said the guy who takes a piss on a topic whenever ponies are brought up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on December 02, 2012, 02:18:44 pm
rarity trixie is best pony, quote this post if you agree
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on December 04, 2012, 02:04:50 pm
So I tried the ignore feature for the first time today, what with all the "GUYS STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT NAVANA, USE THE IGNORE FEATURE" and...

1) The post is spoilered. I've never seen a spoiler I didn't click on, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

2) So let's say I supress the urge to click on the post. I still get to read it when I hit "Reply."

So in short, telling someone to put a bothersome user on the Ignore List is dumb because it does jack crap (except maybe for PM's, I dunno), and people who talk about how they can't see the offending posts are lying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on December 04, 2012, 02:08:08 pm
Well unless they would like to edit the features, in the mean time you just have to resist the urge to press the spoiler....~
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on December 04, 2012, 02:59:00 pm
So I tried the ignore feature for the first time today, what with all the "GUYS STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT NAVANA, USE THE IGNORE FEATURE" and...

1) The post is spoilered. I've never seen a spoiler I didn't click on, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

2) So let's say I supress the urge to click on the post. I still get to read it when I hit "Reply."
3) You can still see the thread the ignored person created (I ignored Wlanmaniax and I still see his ugly threads in Releases). You forgot that one, Jango, and I agree with you, too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on December 04, 2012, 09:03:18 pm
If you want an example of how to handle the Ignore function:

1) I see that the person I have on Ignore has posted something.
2) I check the message, if I want to post in that thread, so it doesn't feel completely disconnected from the current discussion, or just to make sure if it's something really relevant that I need to know.
3) I refresh so the spoiler returns and I don't have to watch his/her comments in case they prove it was a good reason to put the user on Ignore.

It's more like helping you to control yourself from paying attention to him/her, rather than just making you unable to see any comment from him/her. And if you think about this, it's rather pointless to make you completely unable to read all of his/her posts, because if someone quotes the user, then you will be able to watch its comments, and maaaaaybe it doesn't post stupid things all the time. Honestly, the way it works right now is fine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on December 06, 2012, 08:38:54 am
And here I was, thinking that the "ignore feature" made the one you put on your list completely disappear from Guild, with his posts not existing at all on your end.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on December 06, 2012, 08:41:21 am
Please make the ignore feature delete the account of the users I choose to ignore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on December 06, 2012, 09:10:01 am
I didn't say that. ::)

Remember when some staff members were talking about a punishment for some guy who kept posting too much crap, and they wanted his posts to be invisible to all users except for himself, so he'd be wondering why nobody answers his posts, making him feel lonely and possibly lead him to suicide make him leave.
Well, I thought this was finally implemented, but in a more global way. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on December 06, 2012, 09:48:33 am
Ninja ban. Good time it would be.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 06, 2012, 09:50:11 am
Still disappointed that's too hard to implement. That would be far more useful than a normal ban.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 06, 2012, 01:24:02 pm
"ninja bans" are just cruel and not worth the effort of implementing
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on December 06, 2012, 01:30:08 pm
I didn't say that. ::)

Remember when some staff members were talking about a punishment for some guy who kept posting too much crap, and they wanted his posts to be invisible to all users except for himself, so he'd be wondering why nobody answers his posts, making him feel lonely and possibly lead him to suicide make him leave.
Well, I thought this was finally implemented, but in a more global way. :P

Oh, I was just going along with you and exaggerating even further. Since you're like the king of exaggerating and stuff, I thought you'd get it. =p
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on December 06, 2012, 03:49:55 pm
Well Jango since we can't get what we want, we might as well ignore him and not give him the attention he desires, I know it's hard but at least try dude.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 06, 2012, 03:54:10 pm
i find it ridiculous that someone that was previously permabanned for lying and being an attention whore in general can come back, do literally the same thing and go unpunished
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on December 06, 2012, 03:57:59 pm
So I tried the ignore feature for the first time today, what with all the "GUYS STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT NAVANA, USE THE IGNORE FEATURE" and...

1) The post is spoilered. I've never seen a spoiler I didn't click on, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

2) So let's say I supress the urge to click on the post. I still get to read it when I hit "Reply."

So in short, telling someone to put a bothersome user on the Ignore List is dumb because it does jack crap (except maybe for PM's, I dunno), and people who talk about how they can't see the offending posts are lying.
Just FYI, before the overhaul ... the interactions of the ignored poster would still be shown like a regular post, except a spoiler INSIDE the post would appear sating something like "Spoiler: You're ignoring this user"

Now it appears as Collapsed in a completely ignorable yellow, same as the "Last edited by" which you should train your mind to ignore anyway. So you have it a lot better now, you just need to control your urge to click the damn collapsed ignorable yellow spoiler.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 06, 2012, 05:51:55 pm
Still disappointed that's too hard to implement. That would be far more useful than a normal ban.
tell valodim to code it like a normal ignore, but make the spoiler link unclickable.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on December 06, 2012, 10:19:52 pm
i find it ridiculous that someone that was previously permabanned for lying and being an attention whore in general can come back, do literally the same thing and go unpunished
I thought he was banned for pretending to be another person the first time, and the second was for ignoring moderator's orders. Lying about a forum isn't really on the same level, IMO.

I dunno, I'm just not that worked up about it. And most people aren't replying to Navana anyway (despite his every effort), so it's not like he's being very distrustful. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on December 06, 2012, 10:33:53 pm
After he was exposed he made another account to trap, it was quickly seen and both his normal and new account were banned. He made a third one but that got banned as we didn't want him. Also it's not just lying, he's horribly disruptive to the forum, honestly, would it hurt if he got banned? Would anyone honestly give a flying fuck?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 06, 2012, 11:00:15 pm
I thought he was banned for pretending to be another person the first time, and the second was for ignoring moderator's orders.
i already permabanned him once for being manipulative and lying constantly.
banned for lying, somehow unbanned, blatantly lies again, is still posting.
EDIT: linking for relevancy (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1675293)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on December 06, 2012, 11:44:33 pm
I've never seen someone so eager to get someone else banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 06, 2012, 11:47:21 pm
address the issue at hand
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on December 06, 2012, 11:48:28 pm
I've never seen someone so eager to get someone else banned.
>:|

That's kinda a ridiculous statement, isn't it?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on December 07, 2012, 12:03:23 am
No, it's not, it's ridiculous that we're still talking about something that has already passed. We have already passed all of the issues that have been brought up and we have taken action for all of them, including you hastily banning Navana because he didn't answer a question to which you already knew the answer.

He hasn't disrupted anyone since he's gotten back for the umpteenth time, so what are we supposed to do? Punish him twice for the incidents of the past? I fail to see how him not being banned affects the continuance of this forum to the point of there actually being a rally for his banishment.

If he acts up again, he will get punished again; next time do it right so we don't have to have these ban-rallies.

And bringing up evidence for something that was already been handled (no matter how inefficiently) is moot.

Let this go already. Navana is not that serious.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on December 07, 2012, 12:08:51 am
Punish him twice for the incidents of the past?
Prevent him from doing it again ? No ? Okay, maybe not take so long to react to something so obvious next time ? ... Anyone ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on December 07, 2012, 12:16:38 am
He was already punished once for one thing, punishing him again for that same issue after his first punishment for that issue is over is not something that I support.

Take long to react to what? Some kid lying about a irrelevant free-forum in a thread related to the irrelevant free-forum? I'm not seeing the big deal and the need for immediate, crucial action.

He's not a serious threat.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on December 07, 2012, 12:19:22 am
including you hastily banning Navana because he didn't answer a question to which you already knew the answer.
How was that hasty? I gave him three chances to answer a pretty basic question, and he refused to do that. And after that banning, people are ignoring him. I'd say it was a success.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on December 07, 2012, 12:45:41 am
Okay, I am up to date:

He's seeking attention by placing the link to that forum in his signature.

Perma-ban him, or shut up about it (not in a rude way). I regret giving him the attention he was seeking by noticing his avatar, but it wasn't that obvious at that point, now it is. There is no need for a debate, nobody needs to make a case, either you are going to ban him forever or you aren't.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on December 07, 2012, 12:50:12 am
He hasn't disrupted anyone since he's gotten back for the umpteenth time, so what are we supposed to do? Punish him twice for the incidents of the past? I fail to see how him not being banned affects the continuance of this forum to the point of there actually being a rally for his banishment.
It's not about having a good reason to ban him, it's about sending a message

Edit: Ninja'd .-.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on December 07, 2012, 04:22:58 pm
Just ignore me and go on with your lives. The world doesn't revolve around me. K', Thanks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on December 07, 2012, 05:54:15 pm
Just ignore me and go on with your lives. The world doesn't revolve around me. K', Thanks.

I am one of the few people on staff here who has argued against banning you for your immaturity.   This is obviously an attempt to get people to start talking about you again because you lost the spotlight for a few hours.  The NEXT time you come into this thread attempting to stir things up, I'll ban you myself if someone else doesn't beat me to it.  It really has come down to grow up or get out.  And do not reply to this Navana/Sniper...   the rest of you let it alone too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: momo! on December 28, 2012, 06:41:44 am
I love you and your wisdom MBH
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 05, 2013, 07:25:08 pm
I know this is not regarding the warnings or other stuff, but why Chamat has only ten posts in his post count? :stare:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Froz on January 05, 2013, 07:27:22 pm
That would probably go to the "my little overhaul" thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on January 05, 2013, 07:33:33 pm
No, it has nothing to do with the forum overhaul.

Chamat woke up one day after new year and decided to delete almost all of his posts. Not a forum bug. Not a staff decision. Nothing to see here people, move on.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 06, 2013, 08:24:52 pm
who the fuck was chamat?

wasn't he a spriter or something?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 06, 2013, 08:29:18 pm
It is him (http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/-ட-ந-க-ற-க-ţ--44115).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on January 06, 2013, 10:45:53 pm
Are you unable to recover any of his posts?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 06, 2013, 10:55:09 pm
All of his posts are in the recycle bin.
But:
No, it has nothing to do with the forum overhaul.

Chamat woke up one day after new year and decided to delete almost all of his posts. Not a forum bug. Not a staff decision. Nothing to see here people, move on.

Maybe it was his decision, but it still sounds strange to me. Well...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on January 07, 2013, 12:15:48 pm
I didn't mean that I couldn't find them, I know they're in the Recycle Bin. What I mean is, all of his posts have been edited into a '.', so you basically can't read anything he has posted.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 07, 2013, 12:18:24 pm
yeah that makes it impossible to return them without rolling back the server, which isnt impossible ( we did it for vans after all ) but which implies getitng val to work on it.
Its an odd situation, i would have preferred chamat hadnt done that. I would rather have given him a new account than that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on January 07, 2013, 12:21:58 pm
You may want to restrict him from editing his own posts, so he doesn't '.' the remaining ones, as there's still like 4-5 pages that he hasn't '.' yet.

But wow, he spent 2 days editing all of his 30+ pages of history.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 07, 2013, 12:22:46 pm
you cant edit in the recycle bin afaik

he edited over 200 posts, one by one, dont ask me the reasoning, i dont get it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on January 07, 2013, 12:24:07 pm
But you can before throwing it into the Recycle Bin, which is probably what he did.

And I'm not asking the reasoning, just wondering if it was possible to recover. His reason may be related to his private life, similar to what happened with Vans. Who knows.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 07, 2013, 07:39:13 pm
But wow, he spent 2 days editing all of his 30+ pages of history.
Who does this, seriously. :|
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 07, 2013, 08:08:12 pm
someone who is pissed off. still does not seem to apply to chamat's case.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Joulz on January 07, 2013, 09:44:21 pm
or someone who tries to erase his shitty posts count to start over like it never happened (in the hope that maybe people will forget and stop toying with him)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 07, 2013, 10:01:38 pm
still does not seem to apply to chamat's case.

By the way, I'm sorry to have caused all of this.  :anxious:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 07, 2013, 10:02:57 pm
You didn't do anything wrong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 07, 2013, 10:04:47 pm
So was it right to have posted here about the subject?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 07, 2013, 10:11:34 pm
Well, I dunno if this is the right place but it's not like it fits anywhere else that easily.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on January 08, 2013, 03:06:11 am
that's what she said
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 08, 2013, 04:25:07 am
that's what she said
fixed
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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Joulz on January 08, 2013, 04:37:10 am
nice DP guys
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on January 08, 2013, 05:07:02 am
This thread is doomed to derail isn't it?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on January 08, 2013, 05:08:42 am
Your right, lets get it back on track.

So how about that Celest guy eh? Reminds me of my 08' self
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 08, 2013, 06:01:54 am
I say give him a quick banning if he starts crap up again. Has he been banned once or twice?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on January 08, 2013, 06:04:14 am
He's a kid so I don't expect much from him, however he's still too young to even be registered here. Unfortunately the kid doesn't listen to what people tell him and instead continues to do what got him in trouble in the first place.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 08, 2013, 06:05:58 am
Not to mention he knows people tell him to grow up and actually contribute, but he refuses to listen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 08, 2013, 06:41:48 am
He's on his last warning. We're watching him carefully.

  highlight->  HIDDEN TEXT HERE==>OBEY
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on January 08, 2013, 07:53:50 am
In regard to Chamat's thing :
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I wanted to clean everything up because I painted my house and did several changes to it, it looks so bright and new, I wanted to do the same with my profile, also because the new year. I did so in my other forums but here I couldnt convince the staff to clean my stuff from the recycle bin, is an annoying task i know.

And because I want to really focus in MY wips, so I wont be helping nobody like I used to, nothing against the forum, but I realize that Im wasting time doing so.

Anyway I let all the useful things I said: my Freezer concept, tutorials, and my gallery. Everything else had images with broken links so it wasnt useful at all and was old or simply useless.
Oh well. At least he's not angry or something.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 08, 2013, 08:03:30 am
Yeah, it's really weird and pretty dumb. There was no need to delete your post history just because you want to focus on WIPs. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DMK on January 08, 2013, 08:04:22 am
Always good to hear. Still kinda overboard to wipe them out or flat out delete things, just sounds like a lot more work then it would ever be worth, especially if they were dead links to things.  :hugoi:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on January 08, 2013, 10:49:33 am
Was he the one who helped CVSNB with a bunch of Asuka animations? Or was that someone else? No offense to CVSNB, but that may be one of the things he's referring to, since he never finished it. Just throwing that out there. Unless I'm wrong, in which case ignore this message. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on January 08, 2013, 10:58:47 am
If he wanted to start fresh a new account would have been a better answer. All this is going to do is make everyone remember that he's the guy who went and deleted his post history for no apparent reason.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on January 08, 2013, 11:04:28 am
make everyone remember that he's the guy who went and deleted his post history for no apparent reason.
Mostly because everyone is talking about it for a couple of pages.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 08, 2013, 11:19:41 am
that would always happen.

unless you are suggesting people get prohibited from mentioning it, which i dont really think you are.

Damn, some threads like the rogue thread are now full of holes and rajaa talking to himself. And chamat posts are missing too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 08, 2013, 02:18:53 pm
Was he the one who helped CVSNB with a bunch of Asuka animations? Or was that someone else? No offense to CVSNB, but that may be one of the things he's referring to, since he never finished it. Just throwing that out there. Unless I'm wrong, in which case ignore this message. :P
Yes, it was him, he corrected a bit of CvSNB's animations.
In regard to Chamat's thing :
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Oh well. At least he's not angry or something.

Well, at least he's fine. Good for him then. :)
Okay, I'll leave you now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 08, 2013, 04:20:50 pm
that would always happen.

unless you are suggesting people get prohibited from mentioning it, which i dont really think you are.

Damn, some threads like the rogue thread are now full of holes and rajaa talking to himself. And chamat posts are missing too.

you just noticed ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 08, 2013, 07:12:14 pm
so you're saying rajaa is not crazy and talks to himself on his own wip threads?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 08, 2013, 07:17:22 pm
Yes, but only because some posts were deleted. If you look at the last posts, you can see him talking with Chamat (that deleted his posts), and a non-intentional double post.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 10, 2013, 06:28:09 am
Suck it Bitch
why is he still here?

see also: http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/sophitia-alpha-released-123112-146953.20.html
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on January 10, 2013, 06:39:15 am
Can we just keep him until early April? I was kind of thinking of something involving that time period, since you know, it's a very serious time of the year.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on January 10, 2013, 07:26:09 pm
Suck it Bitch
why is he still here?

see also: http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/sophitia-alpha-released-123112-146953.20.html

Considering he's permabanned from MFFA for acting more or less the same way he is now, I wonder about that myself. Besides, didn't Jmorph say he was already on his last warning? Seems like he just blew it.

Can we just keep him until early April? I was kind of thinking of something involving that time period, since you know, it's a very serious time of the year.

I find it hilarious because it would be fucked up on so many levels, but do you really want his crappy attitude for the next 2-3 months? I mean he's already cussing people out for using the report button on necroposts (and I'm not talking about the Brownsville comment he made months ago, I'm talking about during the past week or so)

     Posted: January 10, 2013, 07:35:30 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/re-hloader-mugen-3-custom-portraits-118150.0.html

Found the post I was talking about.

On a side note, I have to admit I found his post comparing Cyanide to Obama pretty hilarious
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Watta on January 10, 2013, 09:47:58 pm
Considering he's permabanned from MFFA for acting more or less the same way he is now, I wonder about that myself. Besides, didn't Jmorph say he was already on his last warning? Seems like he just blew it.

and Newage mugen too...

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 11, 2013, 01:20:07 am
Besides, didn't Jmorph say he was already on his last warning? Seems like he just blew it.
He's blown that warning at least three times since I told him it. He's not getting better, but I dunno if his behavior is ban-worthy right now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 11, 2013, 01:21:48 am
Perhaps another strongly-worded PM? If he disregards that, he's closer to a banning.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 11, 2013, 01:35:19 am
He's been 100% terrible since he came here. Drop the guillotine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Froz on January 11, 2013, 01:37:57 am
I don't want to sound like an ass, but why do you cling on this particular troll? he's done nothing but ignore every mod's warning and bash people who opposes his opinion with horribly worded posts that start with : "Le, Trololol, fuck off" etc.

I know that at that point it's still not ban worthy, but he should at least read/consider your warnings once in a while...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 11, 2013, 01:50:20 am
I'm pretty sure it's a combo of not listening to anybody, not improving when people give him good advice, spamming the report section at one point, and horribly attempting trolling at every opportunity. Responding to two separate posts with "(Le) suck it (bitch)" is definitely not how you should act in a forum.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 11, 2013, 02:19:48 am
well... at least he stopped replying with image macros
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 11, 2013, 02:21:55 am
Don't forget awful YouTube videos~
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on January 11, 2013, 03:08:20 am
Seems too much like you guys are deciding who gets banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 11, 2013, 03:19:09 am
We all know we're not, but we can dream, right?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on January 11, 2013, 05:07:18 am
I guess in this case it's just common sense :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on January 11, 2013, 05:16:32 am
What's just commonsense?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 11, 2013, 05:20:37 am
Discussing Celest's further antics as they pop up?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: dark_light on January 11, 2013, 07:04:52 am
i just want to ask since its been said a few times about necrobump  if you have feedback on a character or stage would the rules still apply?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 11, 2013, 07:06:45 am
I'd say it's better to PM it to the person if they're active on the site. Outside of that I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on January 11, 2013, 07:07:22 am
If it's 1 or 2-months-old, sure, post your feedback, but if it's 1 or 4-years-old, you should send a personal message or forget about it because the character has probably been updated and the programmer moved-on.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: dark_light on January 11, 2013, 07:08:44 am
thanks for the info
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 14, 2013, 06:20:43 pm
Agreed on the ost prohibition as per jmoprhman's argument, as ost are not very useful for mugen creations and it always seemed weird to have psoted those there, even artbooks are more useful because people rip portraits from them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on January 14, 2013, 08:10:39 pm
Regarding the ost prohibition, would that cover including said tracks in a character's snd file for characters that use their own BGM (aka the "jukebox" helper) or including said BGM in a stage release? I know for the stages people will most likely find the BGM elsewhere or simply replace it altogether, so I guess this mostly for the aforementionted built-in custom bgm. Or even fullgames for that matter.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 14, 2013, 08:19:21 pm
We haven't decided anything yet but if we did prohibit soundtrack releases I seriously doubt that would include in-character stuff. That would be going way too far.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on January 14, 2013, 08:39:19 pm
Agreed with the soundtrack thing. (though tbh, I don't think it should be a problem with ones that aren't commercially available, like say one for Battle Monsters......But hey your call)

Though I'd rather this hopefully doesn't extend to music that comes with stages/characters since that could limit a lot of releases (especially found ones).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 14, 2013, 08:40:03 pm
No one was suggesting that it would. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on January 14, 2013, 09:19:45 pm
If you want to be safe, it's better not to allow it. I mean, it's no big loss, if someone really needs it just say "Google X" and that's it. I don't think people is unable to use Google to search for Soundtracks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on January 14, 2013, 09:21:08 pm
No one was suggesting that it would. :-\
Still something to think about.

But yeah, no big deal on my part.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on January 14, 2013, 09:24:42 pm
If you want to be safe, it's better not to allow it. I mean, it's no big loss, if someone really needs it just say "Google X" and that's it. I don't think people is unable to use Google to search for Soundtracks.
This pretty much, commercially distributed soundtracks are really easy to find with a search.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 14, 2013, 10:20:20 pm
But it shouldn't be supported. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 15, 2013, 12:46:25 am
If you can buy it than said OST is warez, pretty much.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on January 15, 2013, 01:22:27 am
If we're going forward with this, shouldn't something be done about the reports about the OST release topic? The download link is still visible there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on January 15, 2013, 01:38:32 am
CENSORING COMPLETE

RETURN TO YOUR HOMES
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 23, 2013, 06:40:07 pm
This isn't probably the place to put it, but didn't want to create a new topic for it in case this has been answered before, and this topic seems to have decent staff traffic.

What is the status of compilations?  I know a ton of people say they are not creations - so should we report them if we see them in release threads?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 23, 2013, 06:49:05 pm
They should at least be identified as such. so people know what they are downloading.  And whoever makes them should be aware that most people wont be that interested. Everyone can make a "this is my mugen game" thing.
I dont think they are somekind of crime tho, most people start by doing silly little things like that, and its a normal step towards trying to create something .

Its a good question. lets see what others think.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 23, 2013, 06:52:39 pm
Adding a message icon for compilations should be a good idea.

Strike that for reasons below, which I agree with. They're a waste of time and space.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on January 23, 2013, 06:53:24 pm
How often does it happen? 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 23, 2013, 06:54:31 pm
rarely its the kind of thing that no one really releases. most people keep them to themselves.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 23, 2013, 06:56:23 pm
compilations do not harm anyway, if anything it is when people try to pass them off as project when they might get in the way/steal attention from real projects, btu that's better left ot the user base.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 23, 2013, 06:59:46 pm
We usually delete them, but reporting is probably the only way it would get our attention. On the other hand, it doesn't exactly hurt anyone, but... I dunno. As [E] said they do take up space and take attention away from other projects. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 23, 2013, 07:08:43 pm
this is true, but i would rather that people werent demonizing them to the point where the replies to someone new posting something he worked in is "UH OH!!"
"YOU BETTER WATCH OUT HOMIE"
etc

its not really productive nor does it tells someone new that their efforts might be better invested somewhere else. They just see that they are doing a kindness ( or what they think is one ) and people are being mean to them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 23, 2013, 07:24:26 pm
Maybe the compilation icon is the way to go?  Yes they take up space and seem useless to many, but having an icon next to them that clearly states they are a compilation will allow users to simply pass over the topic.  No reason to barge in and start posting angrily when the user clearly sees it labeled as a compilation.  I think one of the main reasons why they get a ton of heat now is because people enter the "full game" topics looking for just that only to find a compilation.

Or maybe a compilation icon but move them into the edits and addons sections.  Since it is not technically a new material besides a few occasional tweaks.  I kind of like this idea better actually.

Either of these solutions would lead to more reporting, though, for compilations to be moved or the icon changed.  At least until everyone gets with the new system.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 23, 2013, 07:51:46 pm
But if someone tries to claim it his own work?
Hmmm... I don't know.

And maybe some compilations aren't bad and, if done correctly, maybe it goes for full game.
Nah, difficult for me to decide.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 23, 2013, 07:59:02 pm
I don't think compilations can ever be considered a full game.  Full game to me means that the characters all have the same fighting mechanics/style, same look stylistically with sprites and hitsparks, and have been balanced.  Most, if not all, compilations don't have these features.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on January 23, 2013, 08:00:18 pm
I was just telling somebody this some months ago. "Don't download compilations they are bad! You will get a virus!" No, compilations are not that serious, just because we don't necessarily allow them in the release area, doesn't mean they're evil or anything. That mentality is kinda stretched to the extreme -- it's almost worst than the "being new is no excuse" mentality; a mentality in which a newbie is relentlessly bashed for making "bad" stuff because they need to learn how tough it is on the battle field, like they're in boot camp, training to become soldiers.

This is a hobby, people, no one needs to know how tough it is out there on the streets and nobody needs to be bashed for making a compilation or releasing their first character below popular standards.

But if someone tries to claim it his own work?
Hmmm... I don't know.
Releasing a compilation and claiming credit for everything is the same thing as releasing stand alone content and taking credit for everything. You can't make compilations inherently bad, stop trying to make compilations inherently bad.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on January 23, 2013, 08:05:31 pm
Releasing a compilation and claiming credit for everything is the same thing as releasing stand alone content and taking credit for everything. You can't make compilations inherently bad, stop trying to make compilations inherently bad.
They're inherently bad in the sense that there's a far higher chance of a compilation being worthless than there is of a stand alone creation being worthless, there's no added value, it's literally something anyone can collect on the Internet and repack. It's not even good to get a bunch of characters all at once because there's usually very little chance that the pack contains stuff that may interest the guy who downloads it (unless it's a "collector").
There is nearly no situation where a compilation would be called a "good thing", and by extension, that makes them inherently bad, or at the very least, valueless.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 23, 2013, 08:06:38 pm
You can't make compilations inherently bad, stop trying to make compilations inherently bad.
Excuse me, were you talking to me? Or was it in general? No, you were talking in general.
I would never release something without giving credit, but that's another subject.

And compilations have a lot of different characters that usually have different gameplays, thus resulting in unbalanceness of the game. Also that is an example of laziness, like Byakko said above. That's why I hate them. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on January 23, 2013, 08:09:26 pm
There is nearly no situation where a compilation would be called a "good thing", and by extension, that makes them inherently bad, or at the very least, valueless.
So, because it's not good, it's inherently bad? According to you? Nobody is talking about the quality of content.

I'm not even gonna argue with you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on January 23, 2013, 08:16:17 pm
If it doesnt happen very often then it's not really much of a problem is it?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 23, 2013, 08:36:20 pm
It does happen semi-regularly, which is the only reason I brought it up.  There's one on the front page of both Mugen release sections right now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on January 23, 2013, 09:38:52 pm
So, because it's not good, it's inherently bad? According to you?
There is nearly no situation where a compilation would be called a "good thing", and by extension, that makes them inherently bad, or at the very least, valueless.


Nobody is talking about the quality of content.
Neither am I.
I'm not even gonna argue with you.
Good.

P.S. you don't have to quote me and then say essentially nothing to "make a point".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on January 23, 2013, 09:47:49 pm
In my opinion compilations should be frowned upon because they discourage creativity.  You have the cool ones where people will take a bunch of similar characters and edit them to have full game functionality, those are awesome.  But just slapping a bunch of stuff together doesn't really do much for anyone.  The guy doing it doesn't learn anything and the community doesn't get anything they couldn't do themselves.   Worse yet, if compilations are encouraged people who make them will continue doing so and will never actually learn or use their creativity to produce anything, and worst case scenario they take their compilation to a community that is less liberal about "community ethics" than MFG and they get blasted.

TL;DR It's not a moral/ethic thing so much as it is a "cmon, you can do better than that!" thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 23, 2013, 10:18:48 pm
If it doesnt happen very often then it's not really much of a problem is it?
It's fairly rare AFAIK but we should have some sort of policy on what to do for compilations.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on January 23, 2013, 10:25:03 pm
Make a thread for people to post them and put in Mugen Discussion for merging whenever it happens.

Continue to delete them like we've already been doing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on January 24, 2013, 01:04:58 am
As i see it with compilations. When one comes up, if you're the first person on the scene, notify the user, impartially that what they're doing is a compilation and anyone could have done this. Ask them to remove the topic. If it's not removed after 24 hours, do it yourself.

If there are users exercising the idiocy of "must bash cos dumb" trash their posts.

I would accept anyone who was speaking in a level manner about why a compilation has no purpose to it. Just not "OMG this is a compilation, compilations suck, make better your gay"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 24, 2013, 01:06:03 am
I kinda like rajaa idea of a single thread of "share your compilation here!" with an explanation that if you are editing stuff together or doing anything deeper it should be a normal release.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on January 24, 2013, 01:08:53 am
People won't bother, we'll have to merge them ourselves anyway. I prefer the delete method. You can properly educate that way too rather than what will be a rather pointless topic (or possibly one filled with shittalking)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 24, 2013, 01:10:21 am
I think raja's method is the best method, I remembered that when users ignore a compilation, thentypical compilation creator is the knid of guy who bumps and would start complaining in other topics about how his compilation is not getting attention.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on January 24, 2013, 12:22:47 pm
So if I understand we're discussing two methods, right?

- Keep the compilations in a single thread. Merge any compilation posted outside of it inside that thread.
- Report/Delete any compilation thread, making sure to properly tell the creator as to why it's not a good idea.

IMO both seem okay. It just goes as to which method is less bothersome to deal with for admin/gmods/mods. I mean, for normal users, it's not a problem at all. We can either ignore it or not. Experienced users know it's not a good idea to make your MUGEN using a compilation, and those that aren't really experienced or doesn't care may want those compilations.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 24, 2013, 02:48:47 pm
Single thread idea seems the less messy of the bunch.  But is MUGEN discussion the right place for it?  What about in the edits and addons section?  either way, that seems to be the best way to deal with them presented so far.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 24, 2013, 04:13:35 pm
Since anyone can do them, they're a waste of space even when isolated to their own thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on January 24, 2013, 04:21:03 pm
It kinda turns people away when they spend 5 days uploading 5 gigs to a free uploading service, only to have them get the boot when trying to share. Instead of deleting and completely making the person feel assaulted, we can move their thread to something that isn't the recycle bin and explain to them why the topic can't be its own topic and why compilations aren't exactly necessary.

Or we could just delete the topics and forget about people's feelings.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 24, 2013, 04:24:40 pm
If the thread is stickied you dont even have to see it being bumped up and down. With a proper first post explaining that most people can do that and the forum is more geared towards creation, you can probably have them feel like they did something small and perhaps later on trying out more stuff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on January 24, 2013, 04:41:32 pm
I like the thread idea as well. But not in MUGEN Discussion. There are too many stickies there already.

It should be in the found releases board. Um, the 1.0 one or the Old Mugen one? There shouldn't be 2 stickies for this.
Also wasn't the 1.0 board supposed to be moved above the old mugen board?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 24, 2013, 04:44:36 pm
I like the thread idea as well. But not in MUGEN Discussion. There are too many stickies there already.
It should be in the found releases board. Um, the 1.0 one or the Old Mugen one? There shouldn't be 2 stickies for this.
idea engineering?
Quote
Also wasn't the 1.0 board supposed to be moved above the old mugen board?

I dunno what you are talking about.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 24, 2013, 04:53:50 pm
I dunno what you are talking about.
On the board index, the Win boards are above the 1.0 ones. Since 1.0 is the official, stable release, it should go on top.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on January 24, 2013, 04:56:53 pm
I'd say just put a sticky in both release threads with whatever you decide on for compilations.  Title it "About compilations and collections" or something.  Would catch most peoples' attention.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on January 24, 2013, 04:58:21 pm
idea engineering?
That'd work.

And what JMM said
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on January 24, 2013, 05:04:30 pm
I agree on the single topic idea, but gonna have to agree with JNP that Mugen Discussion isn't the proper place for it.

I was thinking more along the lines of edits & addons, to be honest, just going by the definition of "edit" I think a compilation falls under that description. Besides, compilations are going to be either winmugen or 1.0 so I think it's only fair to have them relegated to the proper section instead of bunching Win and 1.0 together in Idea Engineering.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 24, 2013, 05:36:19 pm
I dunno what you are talking about.
On the board index, the Win boards are above the 1.0 ones. Since 1.0 is the official, stable release, it should go on top.

nothing, nothing, i only see air.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on January 24, 2013, 05:46:39 pm
Abusing power to make people look delirious.

Demod.



So, um, yeah, where to put the thread? Both release sections? Sounds a bit much, but I guess it doesn't matter. Idea Engineering is not the best place for it, either. Hm.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 24, 2013, 05:55:47 pm
both release sections, I guess the winmugen one will be the most used one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 24, 2013, 05:57:27 pm
My vote's for Edits and Add-ons in the individual release sections.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 24, 2013, 07:35:21 pm
nothing, nothing, i only see air.
Don't be silly, I love you very much...
[avatar]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101128205743/dexterslaboratory/images/8/81/3183210043_d52c030ba0.jpg[/avatar]
Wait no I don't >:[
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on January 25, 2013, 01:11:47 am
I liked the idea of an icon for compilations, but the thread idea is better (in Edits & Add-ons), as well an explanation in rules about this. Yeah, I like it ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Memo on January 25, 2013, 03:22:58 am
damn please dont delete my compilation i spent alot of time on it, i think its  a good idea to make a section for them or be allowed to put them in the edits section if its content that was edited so it is atleast a balanced game instead of random stuff put together and someone taking credit for others work, and let it be know in the first sentence its a compilation too so people know, and dont say "yeah i did this myself" it sounds better if you say hey this mugen i put together is fun and i felt like sharing it with everybody, and please give credit where its due and mention the creators whos content u are useing because in the end THEY made your complation possible right?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 25, 2013, 04:16:18 am
but you're just posting something that anyone could do, that takes no work, and saying it's a full game. I don't see why compilations should be given space.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 25, 2013, 04:19:53 am
but you're just posting something that anyone could do, that takes no work, and saying it's a full game. I don't see why compilations should be given space.
It does take some work. And if we can easily provide a small space for people to show off their compilations, why not do it? There's no harm in doing it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 25, 2013, 04:28:17 am
There's not much work in editing a select.def, packing it up, and uploading it.

Also, in most compilation threads, they just turn to crap because someone calls them out on it (I know, I used to do this), or the OP reacts with hostility to someone saying it's a compilation. This will be no different.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 25, 2013, 04:32:04 am
yes, the person calling someone else out about releasing a compilation on the compilations thread will be the one reprimended.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Memo on January 25, 2013, 04:36:30 am
but you're just posting something that anyone could do, that takes no work, and saying it's a full game. I don't see why compilations should be given space.

im with u on that one thats why i put some work into mine but in the end im not  saying its my fullgame or anything because i dont want to take anybodys credit and look like a douchebag to the community, i appreciate everybodys work hear and wouldnt take nobodys work as my own

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on January 25, 2013, 04:55:09 am
Personally I think doing this for compilations isn't promoting creation but rather lazyness.

Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Memo on January 25, 2013, 05:08:16 am
i bet thats how everybody here got started nobody just jumped into character creation without first making a compilation, now if you gonna make one try to learn some coding also, if all your chars dont super jump figure out how to add it to the rest, figure out how to add something to it to make it feel like it belongs together it will motivate you more to learn something besides trowing shit together and saying yeah this is mine i spent a whole day downloading and editing a select.def
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on January 25, 2013, 05:34:18 am
I don't think yours is that bad as you edited the characters to have a similar system.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Memo on January 25, 2013, 05:45:50 am
thanks for the compliment i tried hard, ive been working on it since last april , what took me the longest was figuring  out how to tweak the a.i., i recomend everybody to dive into the character files and figure out how stuff works trust me in the long run it will be worth it especially when you start seeing results and that shin god ryu that was destroying that ass is now balanced
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on January 25, 2013, 05:47:40 am
If you edit the characters to have sort of the same system then it can be labeled a full game in the edits and add ons board.
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/street-fighter-zero-v2-demo-6-146799.0.html
This thread is a good example of that. The person is constantly tweaking all the characters to play more alike system wise.

I guess go ahead and go with 2 compilation stickies. One for old MUGEN and one for 1.0 and higher. Might as well go the whole nine yards for this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Memo on January 25, 2013, 06:03:50 am
oh thats EM20XX sfa game hes doing good job on that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on January 25, 2013, 10:32:10 am
I am in favour of putting it in Idea Engineering. Then, people should just put what kind of MUGEN they're using. Two threads with the same thing is just too much.

Also, wouldn't it be better to separate this and put it into a separate thread? I mean, it's already become a big discussion about it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 27, 2013, 09:04:06 pm
yes, the person calling someone else out about releasing a compilation on the compilations thread will be the one reprimended.

This is the reason why I brought this up.  Because in just about every compilation thread, it devolves into shit due to whining about it not being a full game and compilation being looked at as a negative word.  If they received their own label/thread/icon/whatever, then no one would be able to whine about a compilation being posted in the compilation section or whatever is decided.  And if a user does not want to see a compilation, well then they can just avoid the one.  No more opening up "full game" releases to then be disappointed when they aren't.

As for the details, I can see there is still a debate going on about where to put them.  Interested to see where this all ends up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on January 28, 2013, 05:12:03 pm
Cyanide said:
What's our stance here?

http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/kira-choiyer-original-nhk-released-147813.0.html

It's kinda distasteful, definitely needs an NSFW tag so people know what they're getting into right off. It's not truly CP because it's basically a cartoon character, you can make a claim that it's over 18 regardless of what it looks like.
Can I suggest a special icon about it?? like NSFW/+18 Character icon or something for this kind of "releases" (well, this is more an edit BTW). I mean, if this kind of releases would be allowed in this forum. And not just about hentai-edited chars, some doujin games chars should be added, too (Vanguard Princess, Queen's Blade, Strip Fighter series and so)

What do you think, people??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 28, 2013, 05:15:18 pm
too much work for less than one character per month.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 28, 2013, 05:24:57 pm
indeed how many of this characters are released per month year? or most importanlty are announced here?

even if this kind of characters are released weekly the people who post found released would ignore them and would only post them ignoring said character has mature content

plus in most cases the nude content is only available when facing specific characters or can be turned on/off via config file
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on January 28, 2013, 05:42:50 pm
Indeed, they're a lot of NSFW stuff (chars, stages, etc) released for MUGEN, but very few are announced here in the forum. I mean, here isn't allowed adult content, but that rule is implicit to these kind of releases, so that's mean NSFW stuff shouldn't be announced here?? And those ones already announced (also I remind about that Nude Joe) should be deleted or something??

Sorry, I got a lot of doubts in this aspect, since looks like a blank space for rules in this forum. Maybe just a "NSFW" in the title and that's enough, I don't know
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 28, 2013, 05:46:39 pm
anything nsfw should be tagged as so, it says so in the rules.  we had strip fighter chars released here before and even projects of adult nature.
The guy that sprited queen blade characters also put one of them here, cattleya.

This is not really that new of an occurance.  If anything the description should be clearer as to what kind of adult char it is , and anything involving adult content should be spoiled.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on January 28, 2013, 05:58:30 pm
Rajaa said:
What's our stance here?

http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/kira-choiyer-original-nhk-released-147813.0.html

It's kinda distasteful, definitely needs an NSFW tag so people know what they're getting into right off. It's not truly CP because it's basically a cartoon character, you can make a claim that it's over 18 regardless of what it looks like.
Can I suggest a special icon about it?? like NSFW/+18 Character icon or something for this kind of "releases" (well, this is more an edit BTW). I mean, if this kind of releases would be allowed in this forum. And not just about hentai-edited chars, some doujin games chars should be added, too (Vanguard Princess, Queen's Blade, Strip Fighter series and so)

What do you think, people??
I didn't post that. You mixed something up somehow.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on January 28, 2013, 06:08:28 pm
My bad, it was Cyanide, not you. Sorry u_u
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on January 28, 2013, 06:12:07 pm
Rajaa your warning was kind of "overkill".  "NSFW, nudity (or brief nudity whatever is the case)"  would work.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on January 28, 2013, 06:15:04 pm
I suggest an alternate version of the character/stage/whatever tag with an NSFW indicator on it.  If that doesn't work, just a warning in the title should do.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 28, 2013, 06:18:08 pm
well that's what basara suggested but as we mentioned before this character are not released that frequently and even if they are the releases is not announced here
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 28, 2013, 06:29:10 pm
warning on the title is better anyway, jumps out more to the eye than an icon.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on January 28, 2013, 06:41:39 pm
Rajaa your warning was kind of "overkill".  "NSFW, nudity (or brief nudity whatever is the case)"  would work.

I actually mistakenly copy-pasted an older version of the warning from my clipboard. The only actual one was supposed to be the second paragraph. =p
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on January 28, 2013, 07:02:07 pm
well that's what basara suggested but as we mentioned before this character are not released that frequently and even if they are the releases is not announced here
I would like to see a pink icon, but yeah, you're right, people. I guess a NSFW in the title can be enough :) thanks for the aclaration
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on January 28, 2013, 07:34:18 pm
making nsfw version of all release icons would take up way too much space and it'd be a massive waste of time overall
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on January 28, 2013, 07:42:06 pm
My idea (in case of being implemented) it was just one icon labeled as NSFW, but well...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on January 28, 2013, 11:15:41 pm
i meant mc2's post, although having a nsfw icon isn't as practical as just putting NSFW on the thread title
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Froz on January 29, 2013, 12:20:47 am
Spoilers+Warning sounds good, although i think editing the Forum Rule about should be edited to have more specific detail of what's right/funny and explicit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 29, 2013, 12:28:33 am
just use common sense, is not like we get a lot of cases like those.

nsfw
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

for the record, I am with jmorphman on the dr doom image, since the girl's head is obviously de-implying the fellatio.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on January 29, 2013, 01:22:21 am
Regarding Celes, I don't feel like the kid should be banned, he isn't harmful or toxic. I want to compare him to two previous 12-13 year olds we had before. Mahboi and Peterfoster. Mahboi derailed threads and horribly used dead fads, his later posts were bashing and trying to look good, he sought out more attention in the end of his history. Titiln finally banned him as his posts were nothing but purposefully bad at that point, even when he returned he still sought attention. Peterfoster often did similar things to mahboi and challenged the forum at some points (like the review of it), not only that but he kept making accounts and was banned more times than I can remember. Let's not forget that Anti MFG thread and forum he made to get us to care.

Celes just doesn't get along with anyone and the worse he does is insult you as means of defending himself or if he tries to look cool by attacking someone else. Yes his posts are bad but I don't think the kid is an attention seeking one like mahboi nor does he mean harm like Peterfoster did, he's just a horrible poster. If you do ban him, I ask that you don't permaban him and just give him some time off. We all make stupid decisions when we're that age and it would be a shame if that affected his Mugen learning as every other place is dead and that would mean he wouldn't be able to improve in the future as he would be unable to return here. If banned just give him some cool off time and see what happens from there. Just showing my concern.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 29, 2013, 01:28:58 am
That and he's making a char. If he's banned, how's he going to get people to test it? (Bad point, I know)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ViBeZ on January 29, 2013, 01:31:52 am
I'm Stupid I'm Not Gonna Hide that but atleast give me some time to think about what I did over the Past Few Days so for the next few hours imma log off for ur enjoyment
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 29, 2013, 01:39:17 am
Well, there's proof that he seems at least willing to learn from his mistakes. That's a good sign.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 29, 2013, 01:43:30 am
yah, I am also against banning him atm, though I understand that its tiring for the admins.

and regarding the report it was/is a sincere one; the one I set up a trap for was for erroratu in the kira/choiyer topic, so I guess that's why it got misunderstood as it happened at about the same timeframe.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TRUEMicah on January 29, 2013, 02:59:10 am
I'm Stupid I'm Not Gonna Hide
No, you're just young and on a forum where everyone is obviously older than you.
Don't bash yourself kiddo.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on January 29, 2013, 04:11:23 pm
yah, I am also against banning him atm, though I understand that its tiring for the admins.
Same here, I'm against banning him. In a beginning admit I said yes, but in the past weeks I saw a change on him, apart of he's creating a character (as CAN said), so I think he's worth to stay here after all :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lil' Hurricane on January 29, 2013, 04:28:34 pm
I agree too. He's changing a bit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on January 29, 2013, 09:21:17 pm
There's a pretty easy way to determine if something is NSFW : given that it means (spoiler alert !) Not Safe For Work, if you think it's something you wouldn't want to be seen looking at when at work, then it's NSFW and it goes in a spoiler. It's magic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 29, 2013, 09:24:55 pm
well obvioulsy jmm is a muggle and doesn't belive in magic
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on January 29, 2013, 09:26:11 pm
Not just work but pretty much any public place. The last thing I want is some librarian unfamiliar with mugen or fighting games throwing me out of the library just because she caught a 1 second glimpse of what appears to be someone shoving a pole up Hanzo's vag. Its called Not Safe For Work for a reason, I dont get why JMM fails to see this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on January 29, 2013, 09:29:32 pm
My "rule" has always been is this something I'd want my mom to see.

 :dozey:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 29, 2013, 09:32:08 pm
There's a pretty easy way to determine if something is NSFW : given that it means (spoiler alert !) Not Safe For Work, if you think it's something you wouldn't want to be seen looking at when at work, then it's NSFW and it goes in a spoiler. It's magic.
Oh my goodness? Really???? I never thought of it like that!

Believe it or not, people can have different opinions on what's safe for work and what's not.

I dont get why JMM fails to see this.
I don't get why everyone's throwing a hissy fit over my opinions of what is and isn't NSFW.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on January 29, 2013, 09:33:58 pm
I don't think it's an issue that you don't see NSFW completely the same as others. That's why I said to just spoiler something if it's reported and you can maybe sorta see someone else's view point of it. And if not then leave it for another staff member to deal with the report :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on January 29, 2013, 09:59:01 pm
Believe it or not, people can have different opinions on what's safe for work and what's not.
...
I don't get why everyone's throwing a hissy fit over my opinions of what is and isn't NSFW.
Yyyeah no, it's not about opinions, and it's not about your specific workplace, don't take it personally again. If you can talk blowjobs with your boss and have softcore porn for a wallpaper in plain sight, good for you, but, believe it or not, not everyone has the chance to have an understanding and humane boss or even workmates. MBH's short version is pretty good actually (provided you don't start telling us you watch porn with your mom in the same room as you).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on January 29, 2013, 10:03:49 pm
I'm pretty sure his mom and him are not interested in the same type of porn. ;D [/off-topic]

I'm out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 29, 2013, 10:06:16 pm
Yyyeah no, it's not about opinions, and it's not about your specific workplace, don't take it personally again.
Why do you think I'm taking any of this personally.

Actually, on second thought, don't answer.

So yeah, I don't think either of those images are remotely near softcore porn, but the majority of you guys do, and that's fine. I don't know why this discussion is still ongoing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on January 29, 2013, 10:09:27 pm
Probably because for some reason you made it about your opinion and not what is best for the forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on January 29, 2013, 10:10:17 pm
Why do you think I'm taking any of this personally.
I don't get why everyone's throwing a hissy fit over my opinions of what is and isn't NSFW.
This is literally "taking it personally".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 29, 2013, 10:11:45 pm
Probably because for some reason you made it about your opinion and not what is best for the forum.
It was my opinion that they aren't NSFW, so in my view, spoiling them wouldn't be in the best interest for the forum.

This is literally "taking it personally".
You have a strange definition of taking it personally.

inb4 well you have a strange definition of NSFW
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on January 29, 2013, 10:21:25 pm
What kind of NSFW stuff are you people talking about here ? I thought this was about Choiyer's edit of Kira, then I read something about a Dr Doom or something.
Link please ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on January 29, 2013, 10:24:11 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/m-u-g-e-n-discussion-re-m-u-g-e-n-screenshots-v2-147840.0.html

And I was posting the one below.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on January 29, 2013, 10:24:30 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/post-fan-art-thread-136740.1340.html
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 29, 2013, 10:36:44 pm
What kind of NSFW stuff are you people talking about here ? I thought this was about Choiyer's edit of Kira, then I read something about a Dr Doom or something.
Link please ?
I see what you did here ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 30, 2013, 06:48:55 pm
I guess go ahead and go with 2 compilation stickies. One for old MUGEN and one for 1.0 and higher. Might as well go the whole nine yards for this.

Not to derailing the current NSFW discussion, but what happened to this?  We all seem to get sidetracked easily haha.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Balthazar on February 09, 2013, 06:19:15 pm
I keep getting malware warnings in Releases 1.0...moreso when browsing for Screenpacks
Troublemaker seems to be   usuarios.lycos.es
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on February 10, 2013, 03:44:59 pm
Wrong "warnings" mate. You should post that in Val's thread and such.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Balthazar on February 10, 2013, 07:40:20 pm
Oh yes I realised that :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mgbenz on February 15, 2013, 03:49:33 am
I'm on Rajaa's side here.  I've only ever seen her arguing with the rest of the staff with banning anyone. It's like she opposed to banning anyone in general.

How did she get modship anyway? I've been wondering that ever since she got it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 15, 2013, 03:52:40 am
I'm pretty sure Sepp suggested her for the position when he retired.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 15, 2013, 04:28:43 am
I'm on Rajaa's side here.  I've only ever seen her arguing with the rest of the staff with banning anyone. It's like she opposed to banning anyone in general.

How did she get modship anyway? I've been wondering that ever since she got it.

+1
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on February 15, 2013, 04:30:00 am
Decision making has been horridly slow lately.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on February 15, 2013, 04:39:06 am
As I know, MissB made some stages in the past or contribuited with various other projects, so the purple star is well gained and she's not an "useless MUGEN maker" as Rajaa intended to say. But I also agree about she only opposed to general decisions, especially the ones that involved bans. I read all discussed about her effectivity a mod, but nobody (but Rajaa) wants to be delayed of her job there

As for hjk, yeah, bosses here were way too late for the ban (he should be muted since months, but noooo... "let's be patient with that guy, he'll change"), but luckily it was done now and it's a permaban. He won't be missed, that's for sure...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 15, 2013, 04:40:07 am
She doesn't even have a Contributor star. Dunno what you're talking about. ._.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on February 15, 2013, 04:46:47 am
I'm on Rajaa's side here.  I've only ever seen her arguing with the rest of the staff with banning anyone. It's like she opposed to banning anyone in general.

How did she get modship anyway? I've been wondering that ever since she got it.


I was asked to help by Iced and Titiln.  I've owned and staffed 5 forums over the past 11 years, including 2 that are still very active.  I've been on staff (including admin) on 4 other mugen forums. 

I don't like banning for the most part and I think it should only be done as a last resort, so yeah you will probably see me question them.   Just because I don't like bannings doesnt mean I'm going to have a tantrum every time someone gets it.  I've agreed with some bannings (even if I would like to see some of them shorter) and I banned Navana when enough was enough with him.

Just because I have a differing style of moderation doesnt make me right and it doesnt make me wrong, it makes me different. 

     Posted: February 15, 2013, 04:50:55 am
As I know, MissB made some stages in the past or contribuited with various other projects, so the purple star is well gained and she's not an "useless MUGEN maker" as Rajaa intended to say. But I also agree about she only opposed to general decisions, especially the ones that involved bans. I read all discussed about her effectivity a mod, but nobody (but Rajaa) wants to be delayed of her job there

As for hjk, yeah, bosses here were way too late for the ban (he should be muted since months, but noooo... "let's be patient with that guy, he'll change"), but luckily it was done now and it's a permaban. He won't be missed, that's for sure...

I've helped in some projects in the past (including several stages and Leech who still isnt finished), but I'm not talented enough to be a contributor.  That doesnt stop me from admiring others talent.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 15, 2013, 04:55:05 am
Decision making has been horridly slow lately.
hjk was banned for 13 months before the permaban was put in place, so it's not like we had to rush. Besides, we were talking about other, more important things, like Naked Crazy Joe!

As for hjk, yeah, bosses here were way too late for the ban (he should be muted since months, but noooo... "let's be patient with that guy, he'll change"), but luckily it was done now and it's a permaban. He won't be missed, that's for sure...
But he has been banned before. A lot. The only reason they weren't permanent was because his obnoxious and baiting posts never really warranted a permaban. But they slowed aggregated into one.

Regarding MissB, it's good to have someone who doesn't always agree with everyone. It helps let everyone reexamine their positions and reasoning.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on February 15, 2013, 04:56:36 am
Wow, even with a year long ban he won't learn his lesson?

Well, good riddance for him then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on February 15, 2013, 05:22:26 am
Regarding MissB, it's good to have someone who doesn't always agree with everyone. It helps let everyone reexamine their positions and reasoning.

But she often comes off as a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian. I agree with Rajaa as well. Her comments about the forum becoming "mean and nasty" come off as disingenuous (seeing as she's the one who puts up popcorn smileys whenever a big argument breaks out) and lack any sort of factual basis. I honestly just think she likes arguing, whether she's spectating or participating (up until the point she starts ignoring people, like she has been doing with Rajaa). Nothing personal, just how I (and several others) see it.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on February 15, 2013, 05:43:40 am
Regarding MissB, it's good to have someone who doesn't always agree with everyone. It helps let everyone reexamine their positions and reasoning.

But she often comes off as a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian. I agree with Rajaa as well. Her comments about the forum becoming "mean and nasty" come off as disingenuous (seeing as she's the one who puts up popcorn smileys whenever a big argument breaks out) and lack any sort of factual basis. I honestly just think she likes arguing, whether she's spectating or participating (up until the point she starts ignoring people, like she has been doing with Rajaa). Nothing personal, just how I (and several others) see it.





Good points and sometimes I have to stop and ask myself if I'm being contrary for no reason and maybe sometimes I do.  I dont mind being called on it.  As for ignoring Rajaa, I think his posts to me in that thread come across as bullying, badgering, aggressive and insulting and I dont respond to that.  Rajaa has an aggressive posting style anyway, thats just his way and I'm not going to spend a lot of time on a snarling dogfight with Rajaa.

The shift towards mean and nasty I talked about has nothing to do with in your face arguments.  Those are to be expected when you have personality clashes.  It has to do with the passive/aggressive remarks that dont really break rules, the tendency to form cliques and some other subtle stuff.  It's not really a staff issue apart from trying to be fair to people we dont like,

I'm pretty sure the popcorn smiley is an RI thing, 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 15, 2013, 06:07:15 am
As for ignoring Rajaa, I think his posts to me in that thread come across as bullying, badgering, aggressive and insulting and I dont respond to that.
it is unfortunate that it took you so long to clearly say this, because you flat-out ignored several of rajaa's posts in the staff thread. i don't expect staff to agree on everything all the time, i don't expect all staff members to completely get along, but you should at least have the decency to say "i'm ignoring you because such and such, please don't bother" after each of rajaa's long ass posts.

that is, of course, in the scenario that staff members completely ignoring eachother is acceptable, which is not. one of you is clearly malfunctioning.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on February 15, 2013, 06:12:20 am
I'm pretty sure the popcorn smiley is an RI thing, 

It is an RI thing, but you mentioned the other Mugen forums where you're a staff member, so I figured it was a valid point. Your response was very reasonable, though I still don't see what you're seeing as far as the forum goes.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on February 15, 2013, 06:36:46 am
As for ignoring Rajaa, I think his posts to me in that thread come across as bullying, badgering, aggressive and insulting and I dont respond to that.
it is unfortunate that it took you so long to clearly say this, because you flat-out ignored several of rajaa's posts in the staff thread. i don't expect staff to agree on everything all the time, i don't expect all staff members to completely get along, but you should at least have the decency to say "i'm ignoring you because such and such, please don't bother" after each of rajaa's long ass posts.

that is, of course, in the scenario that staff members completely ignoring eachother is acceptable, which is not. one of you is clearly malfunctioning.

I probably should have been more clear, but saying this after every post seems to be provoking more than just ignoring

http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1715585

Maybe I am malfunctioning, I dont mind being called on stuff because I'm not perfect.  I do mind insults and bullying and I won't respond to those.


though I still don't see what you're seeing as far as the forum goes.

It's something I started to notice a few months ago, just a shift, not like everyone suddenly grew fangs and claws.  Of course now that I think of it, it's not just here, it's all over the place.





Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on February 15, 2013, 06:37:10 am
How did she get modship anyway? I've been wondering that ever since she got it.
You know.. I have been asking myself the same question for quite a while now.... how about instead of the "Global Moderator" star she should have the "Global Troll" star?

yeah... I was following that warnings thread and she pretty much evaded every comment Rajaa made towards her... that to me looked more like one of those ignorant users that ignore every post a mod would ask them which it was pretty immature specially when you are a "MOD"...

Just so you know: Rajaa wasn't or never insulted you at all during all those arguments you immaturely ignored...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 15, 2013, 06:53:53 am
I do like that she questions most everything in a way. Especially bans. I feel the same about banning. It's just when every person in staff agrees on a course of action she should only push a different direction about once or so. If no one else sees it that way she shouldn't continue to go against the grain.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on February 15, 2013, 08:06:37 am
Devils advocate is necessary.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 15, 2013, 08:17:35 am
one of you is clearly malfunctioning.
Both of them were being weird, IMO.


Just so you know: Rajaa wasn't or never insulted you at all during all those arguments you immaturely ignored...
I think you should reread those posts, then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 15, 2013, 08:18:03 am
Devils advocate is necessary.
Exactly. Simply questioning something can lead to complete reexaminations of one's position. I've seen it happen and it's pretty dang useful for things like this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on February 15, 2013, 01:34:02 pm
She doesn't even have a Contributor star. Dunno what you're talking about. ._.
Well, she had it some weeks (or months??) ago, recently I noticed she only has the blue star of mods :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on February 15, 2013, 08:10:08 pm
Are stars that big of a deal?

I also believe where MissB comes from when she says the guild can be very vulgar and rude. You look back on users like Navana (who was annoying), I do remember users would go out of their way and stalk the him. They would even go as far as his Mugen Help threads, which was unrelated to the drama, and go ham. When I pointed this out, I was called a white knight, a trap lover, and a pedophile.

Navana was the worst but it still happens from time to time. The only thing that changed is the username, and these same people are going out of their way to follow their posts for a chance to make fun of them.
Now Im not saying these users did nothing to deserve it. All of them have done something to garner that negative attention. But where do you draw that line where enough is enough? If their the antagonist, why do users go out of your way to give them attention? Why can't you just be the bigger person and ignore them?
People want attention, why give them what they want?

I believe that that is what MissB is getting at.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on February 15, 2013, 08:20:20 pm
Just so you know: Rajaa wasn't or never insulted you at all during all those arguments you immaturely ignored...

Hi. I'm here to tell you that you suck and you're useless.

No offense, of course. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 15, 2013, 08:28:01 pm
People who disagree with you because they hold and present an opposing viewpoint are useful. People who disagree with you for the sake of disagreeing with you are useless noise.

All I've seen MissB do is slow down discussions without contributing anything of merit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on February 15, 2013, 08:57:58 pm
You don't ignore a complaint that is perfectly valid and touches a quite important subject just because you don't like the way it's worded as if you were the queen of England or a sleazy politician. If the problem is important, the packaging is irrelevant. Get the point, solve the problem.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zero-Sennin on February 15, 2013, 11:33:14 pm
There are ways to express yourself clearly that don't involve sounding like a jerk. Yes, a complaint can be completely valid, even if it's written with ten million swearwords and another ten million insults about how someone is stupid and slack-jawed, but it's not going to make it any better received.

It's the principle of common decency and a vital part of knowing how to actually communicate with people instead of shouting at them all the time. The "packaging" is far from irrelevant.

That said, I see where Rajaa is coming from about some decisions being obfuscated sometimes, and I see where MissB is coming from with her concerns about rudeness, cliqueishness, etc. But if anyone is doing something that's counterproductive to the staff making decisions, then they should be called on it without being insulted. Not that difficult to do.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on February 15, 2013, 11:47:19 pm
There are ways to express yourself clearly that don't involve sounding like a jerk. Yes, a complaint can be completely valid, even if it's written with ten million swearwords and another ten million insults about how someone is stupid and slack-jawed, but it's not going to make it any better received.

It's the principle of common decency and a vital part of knowing how to actually communicate with people instead of shouting at them all the time. The "packaging" is far from irrelevant.
Yeah cool that changes nothing. We're not discussing Rajaa's attitude, we're discussing MBH's. Arguing about the way Rajaa said it is nothing more than arguing in circle about nothing while discarding the actual concern, which is what I was just saying when you went back to how it was said.

Oh by the way, there are tons of people who know how to play devil's advocate and point out things most of the others on the staff miss.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on February 16, 2013, 12:23:12 am
Someone please point out the insults in my posts. I'll make it easy:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Was it because I said she's being annoying and obnoxious? Well, I could have called her a bunch of other words, but those are the words that describe her behavior. Was it because I said I don't see any point in her being here? Well, how else is that supposed to be said? My intent wasn't to be insulting, it was to respectfully tell her that she's being annoying and obnoxious -- and she proved it by ignoring my posts and telling me I'm being immature and personally insulting her. There's a difference between a personal insult and a discussion about personal behavior.

The fact is that she completely blew off even my first post which was simply explaining to her that we're not becoming mean and we don't need someone to just oppose for the sake of opposing.

A devil advocate may be necessary, but MBH is not a devil's advocate, she's just an advocate of opposition for the sake of opposition.

Nobody cares how many forums you moderate or have moderated in the past. I moderate people in real life in a more serious manner, what does that have to with your behavior on this site? Nothing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 16, 2013, 12:30:08 am
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I see where MissB is coming from with her concerns about rudeness, cliqueishness, etc.

This is what seems to happen.

- MissB makes an unsubstantiated claim about 'rudeness, cliqueishness, etc.'
- The claim is refuted, and MissB is asked to substantiate it.
- MissB ignores the post because of 'bullying'.

All this does is make her seem aloof and superior without having anything of actual substance to say, and allow her to avoid response whenever she's called out on it. It's empty and accomplishes nothing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on February 16, 2013, 12:55:42 am
I can't say much about MissB but I can share some views from what I've seen.

- I really think she is trying to make herself more Superior than she is with always neglecting bans (Even when they're for really good reasons)
- Never seems to contribute or barely post outside of the "All that's left" section, might say "Nice char +1" at rare occasions.
- Is really Ignorant when it comes to stuff like this, it's sometimes nice to be different but not in this case!
- I recall her being somewhat of a "Troll" back when she was a regular user on here and an Admin/Whatever on Mugen Infantry and from what I saw, she liked to annoy people.
- Animal Fetish

Most of those points are from what other people have mentioned but it shouldn't hurt to say them again.

I really hope MissB considers changing a little, if not. Then I think she should be removed from the Moderator team and let someone more Contributing and less softhearted on there instead.

Well, she had it some weeks (or months??) ago, recently I noticed she only has the blue star of mods :P
In all my years here, I have never seen MissB with a Contributor Star, heck I don't even know why I have one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on February 16, 2013, 01:09:33 am
Wait, hold on, since when did a contributor star become a requirement for moderator status?

From the Warnings thread:

Iced said:
Someone not making stuff for mugen doesnt mean they are "useless" or "worthless". Sepp, valodim,titiln,  even oz or person man are good examples of people that either gave up on mugen fast, or never "Made" stuff for mugen. That didnt made them any less of staff members whose opinions should be taken in consideration.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on February 16, 2013, 01:16:36 am
It's not a requirement. My comments about her contributions to Mugen were coupled with my comments about her contributions to this forum to ask her what reason she had in being here in the first place if she's not interested in Mugen and only wants to stir up arguments about staff decisions.

I don't know why Basara brought up stars.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 16, 2013, 01:31:04 am
So what you guys are saying is that MissB's claims have no merit. You're suggesting that there is never a clique behavior, where members of this forum gang up on someone who, say, doesn't listen to their feedback for releases. Or breaks either an unwritten rule or says something dumb a few times. No one has ever been driven out of this forum by a mob mentality. There aren't people on this forum, hell on this staff even, that provoke people either at the start of an argument or after one has died down into an completely unnecessary fight and it hasn't even been happening recently. Either you're suggesting that this doesn't happen, or that it doesn't need to be addressed, and in any case I'd disagree with the whole lot of you.

Rajaa, are you saying that MissB HASN'T contributed anything as a member of the staff? That she doesn't give her opinion, especially when it comes to trying to set a standard procedure set up for banning people? Or maybe you don't think her ideas seem reasonable in any way and they're not worth listening to? And do you think a majority of the staff feel that way? I know how I feel about it. Everything she has brought up, even when I disagree with her, has been worth discussing even for a tiny bit. Even with HJK it's worth questioning, though I agree with what happened in the end to him. In the end you've suggested the harm that she's done, as a member of the staff, is waste time discussing whether or not people should be banned instead of acting first and asking questions later. Her crime is 'wasting time'. I think it's important to everyone on this forum that we spend at least some time discussing long term or permanent actions by any member of our staff. Hell how long did we spend discussing what is or isn't porn in comparison to HJK's ban? Did MissB really cause any of us any harm with that, other than you who will not drop this subject at all?

This is ridiculous. Compared to some of the complaints on our staff for things that really have harmed the forum, including for example what I did to Shamrock, MissB 'crimes' of 'wasting time' are negligible.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 16, 2013, 01:33:17 am
No, I'm pretty sure the claim was that this behaviour has decreased, rather than increased, over time, and that the forum is in a much better state than it had been in the past. Let's avoid straw men here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 16, 2013, 01:36:05 am
That's good that it's decreased. It doesn't mean that it doesn't still happen, and it doesn't hurt to suggest ways to curve it from happening in the future. Unless you're suggesting that it does hurt to do that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 16, 2013, 01:38:19 am
No, not at all. What I'm trying to say is that MissB claimed that it was recent/increasing/a new problem, and that was what people have rebutted, so your exaggerated sarcastic statement about that never ever possibly happening is unnecessary and missing the point.

No one's denying that some people are dicks. People are denying that we're suddenly more dickish than ever before and that the forum is headed in a bad direction.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on February 16, 2013, 01:39:20 am
It's not a requirement. My comments about her contributions to Mugen were coupled with my comments about her contributions to this forum to ask her what reason she had in being here in the first place if she's not interested in Mugen and only wants to stir up arguments about staff decisions.

I don't know why Basara brought up stars.
Well the fact that I just quoted a piece of a post that was indeed directed at you, and the fact that I felt the need to show this just goes to show you that maybe the things you're saying are not properly elaborated by you, simply because they come off as something else.

I mean no offense by this, but shit...

Someone please point out the insults in my posts.
Rajaa said:
That's not the reason she's useless. She's useless because...
Rajaa said:
I wasn't belittling her

...in what parallel universe is saying someone is useless at something, in real life, in a forum or anywhere else, not to be considered belittling? That's like telling someone they suck straight in their face and expecting a handshake in return.

I'm not saying it was your intention to do so, I'm just saying it's pretty silly not to expect reactions like the ones she had. Such as ignoring.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 16, 2013, 01:43:27 am
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...in what parallel universe is saying someone is useless at something, in real life, in a forum or anywhere else, not to be considered belittling?

When it's true, and a problem that needs to be addressed. If someone at my job told me I was useless, and they had a good enough argument to express that it was true, I wouldn't hide and ignore it, I'd do something about it.

Statements of fact are never insults. If those are not statements of fact, the appropriate response is to contest them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 16, 2013, 01:43:44 am
No, not at all. What I'm trying to say is that MissB claimed that it was recent/increasing/a new problem, and that was what people have rebutted, so your exaggerated sarcastic statement about that never ever possibly happening is unnecessary and missing the point.

No one's denying that some people are dicks. People are denying that we're suddenly more dickish than ever before and that the forum is headed in a bad direction.

When she's brought this up, including recently and in the past, there's always a string of behavior to go along with it. Not just isolated incidents. Yes, the forum is a better place than it was several years ago. Also, there are times where over the span of a few weeks or months it seems like things are getting worse again because of several instances. I think it's fair to bring up when that is happening, try to find out what's causing it, and discourage it in the future. This includes very recently where because it was brought up we've agreed to deal with several situations in a different manner from now on. Which means it was useful to bring it up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 16, 2013, 01:47:49 am
Sure. I don't pay enough attention (and don't have enough arrogance) to feel like I have a good enough grasp on this forum to tell you how to run it or anything like that. You just made a huge sweeping sarcastic statement that I felt was based on a false assumption, so I tried to address that. I'm not causing issues or anything and I'm fine to bow out of the discussion here.

(Also, psst, it's manner. A manor is a fancy house.)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 16, 2013, 01:50:43 am
I do remember users would go out of their way and stalk the him. They would even go as far as his Mugen Help threads, which was unrelated to the drama, and go ham. When I pointed this out, I was called a white knight, a trap lover, and a pedophile.
Wait, what? I don't recall this ever happening? Link, plz.

Also, in the future, if you see that kind of harassment, report it. That's the only way we'll know about that kind of stuff, and, more importantly, the only way it will stop.

We're not discussing Rajaa's attitude, we're discussing MBH's.
ZS is free to discuss whatever he wants in this thread... well I mean, if it's on topic. And what he posted is. You don't get to dictate the terms of the discussion.

Either you're suggesting that this doesn't happen, or that it doesn't need to be addressed, and in any case I'd disagree with the whole lot of you.
I would also disagree with the notion that there isn't any cliquishness, or people ganging up on others, or whatever. To deny that happening is to deny basic human nature. We may have emerged from the ultra-insular pre-rule change era, but it's not like we're some perfectly welcome and open community. It's something everyone, from mods to users, needs to work on; sure, it's striving towards an admittedly impossible goal, but it improves everyone's experience here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on February 16, 2013, 01:51:52 am
When it's true, and a problem that needs to be addressed. If someone at my job told me I was useless, and they had a good enough argument to express that it was true, I wouldn't hide and ignore it, I'd do something about it.

Statements of fact are never insults. If those are not statements of fact, the appropriate response is to contest them.

Because you wanna get paid. We all have to eat shit and like the taste of it at certain points in life to move up, I get that. But this is not real life and she's not getting paid to endure crap as a moderator on a freaking gaming forum. And I never said ignoring was the proper reaction, I agree it should've been handled better. I just said it's amongst the things that could've happened and did happen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 16, 2013, 01:58:09 am
When it's true, and a problem that needs to be addressed. If someone at my job told me I was useless, and they had a good enough argument to express that it was true, I wouldn't hide and ignore it, I'd do something about it.

Statements of fact are never insults. If those are not statements of fact, the appropriate response is to contest them.

Because you wanna get paid. We all have to eat shit and like the taste of it at certain points in life to move up, I get that. But this is not real life and she's not getting paid to endure crap as a moderator on a freaking gaming forum. And I never said ignoring was the proper reaction, I agree it should've been handled better. I just said it's amongst the things that could've happened and did happen.

I was coming at that more from 'because I want to do a good job at things', I just said 'job' because obviously I'm useless here because I'm not a contributor or mod or anything so the comparison wouldn't work. Regardless of context, if someone has a problem with my behaviour that I judge has merit, I'll try to fix it. That's who I am. I guess that isn't who everyone is?

Getting tangential now though, so whatever. XD
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on February 16, 2013, 02:06:45 am
I do remember users would go out of their way and stalk the him. They would even go as far as his Mugen Help threads, which was unrelated to the drama, and go ham. When I pointed this out, I was called a white knight, a trap lover, and a pedophile.
Wait, what? I don't recall this ever happening? Link, plz.
Late 2011 or early 2012 I think, can't find it as it was a small period of time, but yes there was an issue with Duo befriending Navana a bit. Lately the forum has gotten a lot kinder but I remember the place did have a lot of issues in 2011 with users and arguments all over the place, I remember the drone thing wasn't dropped for months after Bomber, Cap'n, Belial, and I stopped posting much in random topic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on February 16, 2013, 02:12:26 am
It's not a requirement. My comments about her contributions to Mugen were coupled with my comments about her contributions to this forum to ask her what reason she had in being here in the first place if she's not interested in Mugen and only wants to stir up arguments about staff decisions.

I don't know why Basara brought up stars.
Well the fact that I just quoted a piece of a post that was indeed directed at you, and the fact that I felt the need to show this just goes to show you that maybe the things you're saying are not properly elaborated by you, simply because they come off as something else.

I mean no offense by this, but shit...

Someone please point out the insults in my posts.
Rajaa said:
That's not the reason she's useless. She's useless because...
Rajaa said:
I wasn't belittling her

...in what parallel universe is saying someone is useless at something, in real life, in a forum or anywhere else, not to be considered belittling? That's like telling someone they suck straight in their face and expecting a handshake in return.

I'm not saying it was your intention to do so, I'm just saying it's pretty silly not to expect reactions like the ones she had. Such as ignoring.

I didn't say she was useless before she began ignoring me, nor did I insult her, so your point is moot, just like hers.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on February 16, 2013, 02:21:47 am
So what you guys are saying is that MissB's claims have no merit. You're suggesting that there is never a clique behavior, where members of this forum gang up on someone who, say, doesn't listen to their feedback for releases. Or breaks either an unwritten rule or says something dumb a few times. No one has ever been driven out of this forum by a mob mentality. There aren't people on this forum, hell on this staff even, that provoke people either at the start of an argument or after one has died down into an completely unnecessary fight and it hasn't even been happening recently. Either you're suggesting that this doesn't happen, or that it doesn't need to be addressed, and in any case I'd disagree with the whole lot of you.
Did someone suggest it never happened ? As far as I could follow the discussion, things blew up because MBH said very vague things, and when asked to elaborate, didn't. It didn't blow up over those things happening or not, it blew up over the refusal to explain something.

We're not discussing Rajaa's attitude, we're discussing MBH's.
ZS is free to discuss whatever he wants in this thread... well I mean, if it's on topic. And what he posted is. You don't get to dictate the terms of the discussion.
Completely not the point and not what I said, AGAIN. I'm not dictating what SHOULD be discussed, I'm underlining what WAS being discussed, so kindly get the fuck off my back instead of misreading me, again. Bringing up "how this was said" and "which wording was used" is irrelevant. It may be on the topic of the argument, but it's a different discussion altogether. I'm saying it's not an adequate answer to the issue that was raised, it's a tangential remark on the overall discussion, which answers nothing of the original problem.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on February 16, 2013, 02:25:51 am
So what you guys are saying is that MissB's claims have no merit. You're suggesting that there is never a clique behavior, where members of this forum gang up on someone who, say, doesn't listen to their feedback for releases. Or breaks either an unwritten rule or says something dumb a few times. No one has ever been driven out of this forum by a mob mentality. There aren't people on this forum, hell on this staff even, that provoke people either at the start of an argument or after one has died down into an completely unnecessary fight and it hasn't even been happening recently. Either you're suggesting that this doesn't happen, or that it doesn't need to be addressed, and in any case I'd disagree with the whole lot of you.
I find this completely irrelevant to the forum BECOMING meaner. Becoming meaner means moving toward meanness, which I don't think is happening. Those things will exist in any community and sub community, and it's not that rampant here to the point at which I don't think there's a mob mentality here, as opposed to some places that claim their forum is an actual team -- and people literally get outcasted more often than not.

Rajaa, are you saying that MissB HASN'T contributed anything as a member of the staff? That she doesn't give her opinion, especially when it comes to trying to set a standard procedure set up for banning people? Or maybe you don't think her ideas seem reasonable in any way and they're not worth listening to? And do you think a majority of the staff feel that way? I know how I feel about it. Everything she has brought up, even when I disagree with her, has been worth discussing even for a tiny bit. Even with HJK it's worth questioning, though I agree with what happened in the end to him. In the end you've suggested the harm that she's done, as a member of the staff, is waste time discussing whether or not people should be banned instead of acting first and asking questions later. Her crime is 'wasting time'. I think it's important to everyone on this forum that we spend at least some time discussing long term or permanent actions by any member of our staff. Hell how long did we spend discussing what is or isn't porn in comparison to HJK's ban? Did MissB really cause any of us any harm with that, other than you who will not drop this subject at all?

This is ridiculous. Compared to some of the complaints on our staff for things that really have harmed the forum, including for example what I did to Shamrock, MissB 'crimes' of 'wasting time' are negligible.
If you read my post, you would understand exactly what I'm saying, I don't really feel like repeating myself. I don't know what the majority of the staff thinks because the majority of the staff hasn't really said anything, but a lot of other people have said things. HJK's ban was not worth questioning. He is only a troll -- he has been a troll for his whole history on this forum; from the alternate accounts to the subliminal and direct messages imbedded in his profile to the spammy (and actual spam), inciting posts out of the blue. Opposing that because of some nonexistent constitution is ridiculous.

Sure, oppose some things, disagree with some things, but don't make that your whole GIMMICK. That porn discussion was even more ridiculous, but Jmorphman doesn't do that EVERY single time as some sort of gimmick or out of some sense of superiority.

Yes, she causes harm because she represents an ongoing gimmick that I have grown to dislike. And apparently I'm not the only one.

Also, to add, she completely snubbed my post because she claimed I was insulting her, when I wasn't, and she was being coy and still is being coy to this very moment, and not only to me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 16, 2013, 02:39:04 am
so kindly get the fuck off my back instead of misreading me, again.
:embarrassed2:

I'm saying it's not an adequate answer to the issue that was raised, it's a tangential remark on the overall discussion, which answers nothing of the original problem.
And I'm saying that it doesn't matter whether it's tangential or not.

Nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on February 16, 2013, 02:43:02 am
And I'm saying that it doesn't matter whether it's tangential or not.

Nothing more, nothing less.
You don't get to dictate the terms of the discussion.
You're saying I'm trying to force people into discussing what I want and not what they want. That's what "dictating the terms of the discussion" means. Stop trying to make me look like a close-minded bully who stomps on anyone who disagrees with me when I'm explaining problems and solutions. Is anyone even interested in FIXING stuff or just arguing about words with more words ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 16, 2013, 02:47:34 am
I think you're reading too deeply into things, and producing readings that have no basis on reality. You did in fact tell ZS that his post was irrelevant ("arguing in circles"), and that's why I said that you should dictate the terms of the discussion.

Now let's get back on topic, shall we? (because this actually is off-topic :P)

Yes, she causes harm because she represents an ongoing gimmick that I have grown to dislike. And apparently I'm not the only one.
It's a gimmick that she rarely agrees with the rest of us? That's ridiculous.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 16, 2013, 03:01:44 am
Did someone suggest it never happened? As far as I could follow the discussion, things blew up because MBH said very vague things, and when asked to elaborate, didn't. It didn't blow up over those things happening or not, it blew up over the refusal to explain something.

If it is happening, then isn't it useful to have someone on the staff who brings it up? Also it was a lot more complicated than that.

I find this completely irrelevant to the forum BECOMING meaner. Becoming meaner means moving toward meanness, which I don't think is happening. Those things will exist in any community and sub community, and it's not that rampant here to the point at which I don't think there's a mob mentality here, as opposed to some places that claim their forum is an actual team -- and people literally get outcasted more often than not.

While you don't believe the forum is getting meaner, apparently there are times MissB believes it is and feels the need to discuss it. There have been times where I've felt the same way as her, too.

HJK's ban was not worth questioning. He is only a troll -- he has been a troll for his whole history on this forum; from the alternate accounts to the subliminal and direct messages imbedded in his profile to the spammy (and actual spam), inciting posts out of the blue. Opposing that because of some nonexistent constitution is ridiculous.

His ban was initially presented as being for spamming posts in the 'shit thread', and the staff member who banned him circumvented the policy we had been trying out when he did it(preliminary ban, discussion, long term ban. He skipped right to the long term ban). MissB questioned both of these, and I believe it was appropriate for her to do so. I even initially questioned it because of how the ban was carried out. In the end she even agreed that HJK's other behavior combined with his past was a good justification for a long term ban.

Unprovoked attacks and multiple fake accounts are acceptable reasons for a lengthy ban, I have a differing opinion about what you see as "starting fights" though.   And I will admit  I'm defensive about this ban because it didn't follow procedure....so I will stop claiming  it was because what happened in the shit thread. 

Sure, oppose some things, disagree with some things, but don't make that your whole GIMMICK. That porn discussion was even more ridiculous, but Jmorphman doesn't do that EVERY single time as some sort of gimmick or out of some sense of superiority.

I believe she's been fairly consistent on what she opposes. It probably seems like she does it more than what she really does because she speaks out more for issues she believes in. I know why you believe it's a gimmick but that doesn't mean that it is. I haven't seen it that way because I have found the issues she brings up to be useful and necessary.

Yes, she causes harm because she represents an ongoing gimmick that I have grown to dislike. And apparently I'm not the only one.

Also, to add, she completely snubbed my post because she claimed I was insulting her, when I wasn't, and she was being coy and still is being coy to this very moment, and not only to me.

Look at it from this point of view. If she sees your message as being inflammatory and does not want to continue the conversation or discuss the issue until it's at least presented in a way that doesn't make, with or without a base, claims about her usefulness and intentions, and questioning her character, that's how she feels about it. In the same way that you feel that her speaking out on bans and rude behavior so often makes you feel like she's being a gimmick that you personally dislike, and how you want to put an end to that. I'm not gonna speak for the way she handled it but I understand. I understand how all of you have handled this and why this has come about.

I like this staff. Having both of you on this staff has and will continue to make this forum a better place. I'd like to work through this and end this issue instead of dragging it on. I tried to stay out of it but it just wouldn't drop so I'll say that I believe what MissB does is useful. I believe what you all do is useful.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on February 16, 2013, 03:17:23 am
My telling her about her faults is not a fault of my own -- that's a horrible way to look at things.

Not to be dismissive, but I'm over it, just so long as she takes this as feedback and thinks about it the next time she wants to oppose just for the sake of opposition. Otherwise, I will bring it up again, because it's not a good attitude, no matter how much the "devil's advocate" is needed.

And also as long as she stops being ridiculously coy and self entitled.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on February 16, 2013, 03:40:50 am
I didn't say she was useless before she began ignoring me, nor did I insult her, so your point is moot, just like hers.

I know this topic is getting old, Rajaa, but I'm having trouble understanding you here. It seems to me like you're saying that her actions, or rather, in your point of view, lack thereof wasn't what made her "useless", but the fact that she ignored you? Or would the case be that you somewhat "snapped" at her silent reactions and then came clean about what you really felt like saying to her? I don't see a third possibility here.

But anywho, just so people know, I'm not trying to white-knight anyone here. I'm just saying things the way I see them, no more, no less. I can safely say I have indeed experienced a situation where a person tried to force their opinion in a clan I used to be a part of. It was quite worse than this, but I can still see why some people react the way they do. I do, however, know for a fact that if this person just sat down and made suggestions to the more experienced portion of the team and learned from the answers instead of insisting to flick off people he could learn from, I would still be in that clan.

I'm not sure how many people feel that this is the kind of situation the staff's in, though, since I'm not a member of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on February 16, 2013, 03:44:43 am
If you can't understand that in relation to all the other posts I and others have made on this subject, then any further clarification would be futile because the problem is clearly your own.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on February 16, 2013, 06:20:54 am
Hm... I guess you're right, I might've misinterpreted some things. I still believe both of you could've solved this thing a lot better, though. I'm not against either one of you, to be quite honest.

Just trying to see things correctly here, because if this staff collapsed somehow because of silly things and arguments, just when things have improved considerably in the forum, that would suck.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on February 16, 2013, 06:33:54 am
Staff is not collapsing over this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 16, 2013, 01:43:59 pm
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It's a gimmick that she rarely agrees with the rest of us? That's ridiculous.

It really, really isn't, and it's not the first time I've seen someone be contrarian for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on February 16, 2013, 03:21:27 pm
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It's a gimmick that she rarely agrees with the rest of us? That's ridiculous.

It really, really isn't, and it's not the first time I've seen someone be contrarian for the sake of it.

Oh trust me, I will question my motives  before I start objecting like a cheap lawyer.  Rajaa, I apologize for ignoring you.  I still think you were aggressive, insulting and bullying but I could have handled it better.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on February 16, 2013, 03:46:16 pm
bullying
Stop that bullshit. Thinking you do a terrible job and have a terrible attitude and telling you so isn't bullying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 16, 2013, 04:01:15 pm
like I said in the staff thread, I believe missb was way too vague, lack of communication is what brings conflict , not too much communication. Im expecting things to not be as vague next time there is something to discuss.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 17, 2013, 10:33:03 pm
The general staff is doing a good job with duckass, he is young as has trouble with english, but he is interested in making mugen stuff (if he was not it would really be better to get rid of him), he is like a young warner so maybe he grows into one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 18, 2013, 03:33:24 pm
there's no need to bother valodim with low priority issues like making it so reports can't be used by banned users. it barely happens. just tell dncelestin that if he reports anything during his ban he'll have his reading permissions revoked too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on February 18, 2013, 03:44:38 pm
I think it's been used twice by banned users in the last 8 hours.  Revoking reading permissions for people using the report feature to communicate sounds like a good idea.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 18, 2013, 03:58:22 pm
celestin kept using it because nobody told him to stop until now and zeroz used it because he's an idiot. it's an issue that can be fixed through simple posts and actions.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 18, 2013, 04:16:06 pm
It's happened enough in the past that I feel it's worth addressing. Banned users are not supposed to be able to report posts and every time I've seen it done they've used it to continue drama that caused them to be banned in the first place.

Why should we continue to have to tell everyone that does it not to do it when it could be fixed so that it doesn't happen? Assuming it can be. It's been a problem for years.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 18, 2013, 04:19:05 pm
here is an idea, ban them more. like, revoke their reading access if they do that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 18, 2013, 04:22:55 pm
We could do that but I'd rather it not come to that. Bans are usually supposed to be strictly from posting. What you're suggesting [E] is what we can already do, I don't think we've ever needed to do it though(at least recently).

Removing reports for banned users just makes things easier, not having to tell every banned person not to report posts or else they'll be BANNED MORE.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on February 18, 2013, 05:32:34 pm
What you're suggesting [E] is what we can already do, I don't think we've ever needed to do it though(at least recently).
I think we did that with Moolambo when he went crazy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 18, 2013, 08:29:39 pm
Just remove login privileges if you want to revoke report permissions, then?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 18, 2013, 08:55:37 pm
Just remove login privileges if you want to revoke report permissions, then?
We could do that but I'd rather it not come to that. Bans are usually supposed to be strictly from posting. What you're suggesting [E] is what we can already do, I don't think we've ever needed to do it though(at least recently).

Removing reports for banned users just makes things easier, not having to tell every banned person not to report posts or else they'll be BANNED MORE.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 18, 2013, 08:56:46 pm
Oh. Well, I dunno then. :|
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on February 18, 2013, 09:10:57 pm
As a request, I was wondering if I could get my old account un-banned? I have to go through a bit of trouble to somehow get the updated versions of Scarlet on here and with this talk of "banned users can't report posts",just makes things a bit harder for me to get the new links on here. I mean, I want to be able to get constructive criticism on Scarlet and this is the best to get some. But whenever wargame10 or someone else posts a thread about her release, it isn't met with any feedback.

I mean, I'm having to rely on the knowledge I have as of now. Plus there's a lot of discussion threads that I'd like to put my input in. Look, I'm not the jerk I was before.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 18, 2013, 09:12:47 pm
Jmorph: We could always switch to doing it that way. If it's not an IP ban, banned users should be able to still read the forum without logging in.

Reporting posts when you're banned is a forum bug though. You aren't supposed to be able to do it. Hmm...I have this nagging feeling that this has been brought up to Val in the past and that it would be a pain in the ass to fix. Hey if any of you get banned and you keep reporting posts you won't be able to login anymore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on February 18, 2013, 09:25:09 pm
But whenever wargame10 or someone else posts a thread about her release, it isn't met with any feedback.
I don't think you posting it will make any difference
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on February 18, 2013, 09:30:13 pm
But whenever wargame10 or someone else posts a thread about her release, it isn't met with any feedback.
I don't think you posting it will make any difference

Because of my reputation in the past or because she's a edit of Len?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Big Dick on February 18, 2013, 09:33:03 pm
But whenever wargame10 or someone else posts a thread about her release, it isn't met with any feedback.
I don't think you posting it will make any difference

Because of my reputation in the past or because she's a edit of Len?

Had to do with your past and the part that you're begging for an unban. It's not gonna help.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on February 18, 2013, 09:34:43 pm
So, the amount of work I put into improving her everyday is pointless?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 18, 2013, 09:35:48 pm
If you think it is, then yes.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on February 18, 2013, 09:37:01 pm
I wouldn't say pointless, it's good to put in work but last time people didn't want to unban you dude, I don't assume that'll change. But who knows.. just wait for some more staff input. You made stupid decisions before, it'd be a shame if those past actions affected you now that a long time has passed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lil' Hurricane on February 18, 2013, 09:38:37 pm
I'm curious, but is that Luigi1632 I see here?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on February 18, 2013, 09:39:03 pm
If I don't get un-banned... then it's like I'm only improving Scarlet for myself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 18, 2013, 09:39:54 pm
If you're only improving her for yourself, why are you releasing her? Good grief, no feedback does not equal no downloads.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on February 18, 2013, 09:42:15 pm
I release her, so I can get feedback and learn more. Heck, some feedback on I received on that least-favored site, IMT, got to pay attention to pausetime and such.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on February 18, 2013, 09:50:15 pm
I'm curious, but is that Luigi1632 I see here?
I guess yes (http://www.infinitymugenteam.com/Forum_345/index.php?topic=39593.0)

Wait a minute... if you made an alternate account here to post and complain about being unbanned your original account, why don't you use this "Kurai" account you made and post it by yourself??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on February 18, 2013, 09:52:23 pm
I'm curious, but is that Luigi1632 I see here?
I guess yes (http://www.infinitymugenteam.com/Forum_345/index.php?topic=39593.0)

Wait a minute... if you made an alternate account here to post and complain about being unbanned your original account, why don't you use this "Kurai" account you made and post it by yourself??

But it probably wouldn't last too long.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on February 18, 2013, 09:58:32 pm
Depends, if you haven't change a bit from the time you were banned, I say you're right.

But I hope that's not happens and you demostrate a better attitude to stay here in the forum. As I read in the IMT release thread, you want real feedback and here there're a lot of new people who makes good feedback apart of the known ones. Also, I agree about what O Ilusionista said in that thread:
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Nice attitude. This is how the big ones does.

I doubt they will laugh at you by this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on February 18, 2013, 10:02:43 pm
Well I'll just go back to revising my novel and working on Scarlet for a while.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 18, 2013, 11:09:50 pm
You might reach an agreement in which you only post in the release threads adn if you behave well you get allowed to post in the wip threads; I think it has been done before.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 19, 2013, 12:32:53 am
Hey Kurai, we decided to give you another chance so I'm unbanning your old account and merging the new one with it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 19, 2013, 12:33:29 am
Why not just merge them (after unbanning the old one)?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 19, 2013, 12:34:19 am
I might do that, haven't decided yet. It's a pain, alright!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on February 19, 2013, 12:38:39 am
Caddie es numero uno
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 19, 2013, 12:39:18 am
Caddie for Gmo-oh wait. Caddie for Admi-oh wait. Umm, Caddie for super Admin!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 19, 2013, 12:50:07 am
Caddie for forum programmer, as a start he should start fixing the "banned users can report posts" bug
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 27, 2013, 03:24:05 am
>AxKing's ban expires.
>AxKing keeps on preaching.
I don't think the three days ban worked as intended.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 27, 2013, 03:27:33 am
>Le meme arrow
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 27, 2013, 03:34:34 am
>AxKing's ban expires.
>AxKing keeps on preaching.
I don't think the three days ban worked as intended.
He wasn't banned for preaching, he was banned for spamming his preaching in a bunch of topics. And now he's restricted to the shit thread.

So yes, the ban did work.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on February 27, 2013, 03:05:05 pm
I wonder what's happenning to him. I mean, he got cool projects and a good behavior, and from nothing he become the "Jehovah's Witness" of Guild. Is he looking to be banned with a purpose?? Or he just lied about his personality all this time until now??

Also, as I read in Warnings, I agree about a ban after his recent comeback is too early. Apart of direct warnings, I say delete his posts when he derails and spams with his God speech, and mention him with the warning message, no matter if it's in the shit thread
Forget what I said, he was banned again... if Ax wanted that, he achieved it now...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on February 27, 2013, 05:43:31 pm
Considering Ax's new post on his alt account:

I'm not condoning breaking protocol here but is a 2 year ban really going to do anything? He already stated his intentions of not coming back here again, so is a ban of that length really going to accomplish anything?

On the other hand, if you are going to ban him for an extended period of time, you may as well make it permanent. Force him to eat his words in the event he ever decides to change his mind and start preaching lynching minorities and other pro-KKK propaganda in 3 years.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on February 27, 2013, 06:38:42 pm
The point is that he can't be himself anymore. If he comes back as someone else and we don't know, tough shit for us, however, it would mean that we officially got rid of hate speech and flame baiting, so our duties are done, nonetheless. Unless his new account starts up something stupid, he won't be noticed. I'm 100% sure dozens of users have changed their information and came back as different people, if we don't know who they are or what accounts they are using, then our bans worked, one way or another. They're the ones that have to be in disguise and hold back comments they would usually be able to post if they were their normal selves.

We are aware of the flaws of banning someone online. And just because someone said they won't come back, doesn't mean they won't come back.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 27, 2013, 06:44:56 pm
Tons of people use that as an excuse for things like backing down from a battle or even to try to plead out of a ban. Nine times out of ten people don't seem to hold themselves to it on the internet.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 27, 2013, 06:55:08 pm
two years is pretty much forever on the internet, the worse that can happen  is what just happened with the guy titiln banned, who came back asking to post his mugen works to get feedback and the staff had already forgotten why he got banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on February 27, 2013, 07:02:09 pm
Points taken. I wasn't advocating not banning him, I just felt 2 years was too short in comparison. iirc, wasnt his first account banned almost 2 years ago? If he couldnt change in those 2 years then odds are he wont change.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on February 28, 2013, 04:23:14 am
Just a general thing for those of you who may feel like you want to start anew. Trashing your topics or requesting that you can swap accounts to leave the other stuff behind you doesn't work.

If you slip in your quest for a fresh start and someone recognises you, or alternatively someone outs you. All you get is flack and you are actually just as badly off as before because everyone sees you trying to hide.

Embrace your past, accept it, and then try to improve. Show people you aren't who you were. Don't hide behind a new name and a new account. If people are going to bring up your past they will do it regardless of your new name/account. What should be important is who you are trying to be. If that means your past has some crap in it, that's something you have to live with because that crap will always be there.

Also it means we don't need to do any obnoxious work.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 01, 2013, 05:41:36 pm
Well said Cyanide, I agree with your post! :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ViBeZ on March 03, 2013, 09:37:44 pm
about GrayIce why dont you just delete the alternate account and give the original a 6 Hour or 1-Day Ban or Just a Warning in a PM asking not to do it again or a Ban is next on his list
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 03, 2013, 09:38:28 pm
make this man gmod
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on March 03, 2013, 09:45:12 pm
You're not a mod/gmod/admin dnceles, you don't get to decide what to do for a user that goes against the rules.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ViBeZ on March 03, 2013, 09:48:28 pm
You're not a mod/gmod/admin dnceles, you don't get to decide what to do for a user that goes against the rules.

just suggesting I don't wanna people to look at me as if I'm Backseat Modding
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 03, 2013, 10:00:30 pm
Pretty demanding for someone who says he's not backseat modding. ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ViBeZ on March 03, 2013, 10:09:37 pm
Well I'm Sorry Everyone if that Sounded Offensive to u I Really Am
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 03, 2013, 10:10:31 pm
about GrayIce why dont you just delete the alternate account and give the original a 6 Hour or 1-Day Ban or Just a Warning in a PM asking not to do it again or a Ban is next on his list
Uh, we're fine? We can handle this stuff. :|
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 03, 2013, 10:18:06 pm
Well I'm Sorry Everyone if that Sounded Offensive to u I Really Am
you werent offensive to anyone. dont worry that much.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 04, 2013, 02:17:18 am
Well I'm Sorry Everyone if that Sounded Offensive to u I Really Am
you werent offensive to anyone. dont worry that much.

Is that what dncelestinx96 told you to say ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ViBeZ on March 04, 2013, 02:26:34 am
Well I'm Sorry Everyone if that Sounded Offensive to u I Really Am
you werent offensive to anyone. dont worry that much.

Is that what dncelestinx96 told you to say ?

I swear upon my Right Hand I didn't
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 04, 2013, 02:28:12 am
* C.A.N takes out a cleaver *
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on March 04, 2013, 04:42:13 am
This thread is for stuff in the Warnings Thread., it's not a place where users come to suggest bans.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 04, 2013, 05:29:24 am
Nor is it the place for you all to have a fun little discussion and make jokes. We have plenty of threads for that, we would like to keep this one understandable rather than full of wise cracks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 08, 2013, 11:47:07 pm
regarding wild tengu, ,maybe he lost access to his old email, has happened to me before.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 09, 2013, 12:02:08 am
Doubt it. He used his other account a few days ago. Anal Arts Ryu or whatever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 20, 2013, 11:48:41 pm
mbh said:
There's nothing in the rules about posting links to porn sites
the rules said:
Anything "hardcore" is obviously out of bounds.
i know you often play devil's advocate for the sake of playing devil's advocate, but come on
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on March 20, 2013, 11:53:09 pm
I thought thats referring to images posted.

  I didnt see the links Duck posted, so I guess I shouldnt be commenting on it.  I'm sure not arguing that people should be allowed to post porn links all over. 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 21, 2013, 12:23:46 am
Porn really is off limits. We kinda accept nsfw which is straight nudity if tagged correctly. Genuine porn is a no-no.

Characters can bypass this slightly as we can't control the contents of a release so well.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 21, 2013, 12:45:52 am
characters are relevant to mugen creation, even if they have porn, whereas a pure porn site is not; similar to how video game background music has been handled.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 21, 2013, 12:48:50 am
the idea that "I havent seen the links so I dont know" is pretty bogus too. its a porn site, you shouldnt be linking to a porn site from guild.
Its not "maybe if they do only vanilla porn it can be linked mid discussion about politics" .
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on March 21, 2013, 01:04:38 am
As I explained, I thought that section of the rules was about images posted, not things linked to.  Now I know it isnt.

It is NOT bogus that I didn't see Duck's links.  I didn't see them, so I have no idea what they were.  If other staff say they were porn, then I believe they were porn.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 21, 2013, 01:13:08 am
Someone brought up the link expressly noting it was porn, and then you responded later on by saying you didn't see the porn, while accepting that there was a link. It totally sounds like you're doubting that said link was in fact porn.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 21, 2013, 03:17:39 am
As I explained, I thought that section of the rules was about images posted, not things linked to.
it should be obvious that it's for more than just images. why would a forum explicitly disallow hardcore images while hardcore links are ok. why
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 21, 2013, 03:34:45 am
As I explained, I thought that section of the rules was about images posted, not things linked to.  Now I know it isnt.

It is NOT bogus that I didn't see Duck's links.  I didn't see them, so I have no idea what they were.  If other staff say they were porn, then I believe they were porn.
i wasnt talking about you not seeing them.
I was referring to you reacting to someone telling you that there was porn posted with "The rules dont disallow it" even if there wasnt a line in the rules referring to posting hardcore porn , would it be needed to be written down for it to be an staff interventing issue?
It really makes no difference that you didnt see them, you were posting on the assumption that they were there, you dont need to see a porn link to have a decision on either its okay or not to post it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on March 21, 2013, 09:23:28 am
I already admitted I was wrong, what do you guys want?  Blood?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on March 21, 2013, 09:31:25 am
Since you, we..everyone knows there are a ton of dumb people on this planet..in the internet and yeah..they make their way to MFG as well, GBK thought he has to add something to the convo.

So maybe it would be useful to update the rules thread and make it one big..easy to overview post instead of a thread with over 10 posts which add one or another rule or change something.

Write in clear words, make it obvious that linking to porn is not allowed.

Make it also clear that multiple accounts are not allowed if those are a problem

MFG is a wonderful organized place, you the staff are doing a good job, and i say that as someone who got banned 1 time as you know. Just the rules could be a bit clearer for the dummies maybe. Write up there whats important even if you believe its something obvious like not trolling, flaming, posting racist stuff or pretending to be someone else.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on March 21, 2013, 09:44:59 am
I guarantee if any one person read the rules in their current state, they would understand what is allowed and what isn't. People who want to break the rules or don't care about forum rules will break them regardless of how clear the rules are.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 21, 2013, 02:22:18 pm
when these kind of things happen it's because the rules aren't clear enough or because the culprit is a fucking idiot and in the case of duckss it's the latter. people that make alt accounts are still going to make alt accounts even if a long paragraph about that is added to the rules. it's probably not needed.

I already admitted I was wrong, what do you guys want?  Blood?
at this point i'm just trying to understand your thought process regarding these things.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on March 21, 2013, 02:44:53 pm
I Obviously misread and/or misunderstood the rules.

Quote
Mild nudity ("boobs + butt") and more aesthetic stuff is ok clearly marked as NSFW, preferably put into a
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

I thought this was images posted, I understand now it's links.

Quote
Anything "hardcore" is obviously out of bounds.

I thought this was images posted, I understand now it's links as well.

I do understand the difference between mild and hardcore since I debated jmorphman's obscene image was against the rules.  It was changed to a link the last I saw, and marked NSFW, which I thought was within the rules.  I dont have a clue where that is now (I looked for it briefly last night) and it's possible the link has since been removed.


Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 21, 2013, 02:49:46 pm
What about this point ?
It is NOT bogus that I didn't see Duck's links.  I didn't see them, so I have no idea what they were.  If other staff say they were porn, then I believe they were porn.
Someone brought up the link expressly noting it was porn, and then you responded later on by saying you didn't see the porn, while accepting that there was a link. It totally sounds like you're doubting that said link was in fact porn.
Specifically, you think not actually seeing DuckSS' link is relevant.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on March 21, 2013, 08:00:43 pm
Guys and gurls, the only allowed porn links (images, videos, sites, etc) in a forum... is in a porn forum. In every other non-porn forum that isn't allowed, this is something implicit everyone should know, especially with the mod status on it (being normal one or global one). About ASSDuck, when someone said "serbian porn? that exists?" and he answers "yeah, there it is", I didn't have to see those link to assume it was porn (and amateur porn what I saw there), so there's no excuse about "not to see it".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 21, 2013, 09:00:53 pm
I Obviously misread and/or misunderstood the rules.

Quote
Mild nudity ("boobs + butt") and more aesthetic stuff is ok clearly marked as NSFW, preferably put into a
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

I thought this was images posted, I understand now it's links.

Quote
Anything "hardcore" is obviously out of bounds.

I thought this was images posted, I understand now it's links as well.

I do understand the difference between mild and hardcore since I debated jmorphman's obscene image was against the rules.  It was changed to a link the last I saw, and marked NSFW, which I thought was within the rules.  I dont have a clue where that is now (I looked for it briefly last night) and it's possible the link has since been removed.

Its global, its not just pics or just links either.
Some discernment of whoever is modding might apply but its never as wide as the case where not beng specifically said in the rules that something like that isnt allowed makes it okay.


There is a lot of things that are assumed good behaviour on the internet, it includes spamming, using racist epithefs, using other pages to just post publicity to your page, homophobic comments, photoshopping the face of the person you are arguing with into bestiality pic and even posting porn.
You dont have to have a rule specifically telling people not to photoshop others into bestiality pics for it to be frowned upon, there is no way anyone can think that would be needed. You dont need to have a rule telling people not to get alternate accounts either, or to not circuvent bans.

I mean come on!

i'm going to add more rules since people are complaining that some "obvious" things are not so obvious

- Do not make secondary accounts
- Do not try to circumvent your bans
- The report button is for reports. Do not use it for anything else.
- Do not get account names with offensive names (i.e. Nigger we are dumb fucks spamming this site for ten years Fucker or LATINO COCK CUMS IN MY VAGINA)
- If you're a bot your account will be deleted.
- Do not use giant font sizes for all of your posts. Use giant font size wisely.
- Do not claim to not care about celebrity death. Or death in general. This is rude.
- Do not call people shitheads.
- Do not ignore points mid-discussion
- Do not make the same thread several times
- Do not post with missing vowels.
- Do not use this forum as a chatroom. If you want quick direct communication with another user use MSN or AIM or some other messaging service.
- Do not post with numbers instead of letters.
- Posts in all caps might be deleted depending on several factors, such as post length, the poster/post being funny or not and the moderator that noticed the post. Staff works under the assumption that something funny "makes you laugh or chuckle a bit".
- Racism will not be tolerated unless it's funny
- Do not make threads of bullet points of suggestions enormously large where all the suggestions are really obvious stuff, you are not a developer, development doesn't work that way.
- Do not reply to threads without reading the whole posts before that one, in case you do post without reading, include a line stating the same.
- Do not post a lot of images that are unrelated to the thread. Your post will be deleted unless the images are funny. They usually are not.
- Moderators shall use context and relevance on decision of necrobumps permanence, if a thread has under five posts , it might be allowed even with few content, if it has more than five, then the necrobump will only be allowed in case the person is the original op.
- Homophobic behavior will not be tolerated unless it comes from gay people.
- Do not be an asshole, definition of asshole inclludes questioning someone sexuality, posting their face on porn pictures, reply to threads where you have no actual interest to publicize your own endeavours, post torrents, question the taste in music of the other persons, question the taste in games of the other person, questioning the superiority of the American race.
- Posts about Mortal Kombat will be ridiculed.
- Nazi symbolism should be avoided. Unless it's really funny. KKK symbolism is always allowed.
- Drug addicts should refrain from mentioning their drugs unless they brought enough for everyone.
- Do not post pictures of your penis.
- Do not post pictures of your vaginahahaha there are no girls here anyway
- Do not talk about bad anime (definition of bad anime in addendum section 42-1)
- Do not troll other users unless you use sophisticated humor, have attention to detail and use no more than thirty percent sarcasm.
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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 21, 2013, 09:48:07 pm
There is a lot of things that are assumed good behaviour on the internet, it includes spamming, using racist epithefs, using other pages to just post publicity to your page, homophobic comments, photoshopping the face of the person you are arguing with into bestiality pic and even posting porn.
You dont have to have a rule specifically telling people not to photoshop others into bestiality pics for it to be frowned upon,

you said you wre nto going to talk about jango anymore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on March 22, 2013, 02:02:23 pm
Cyanide said:
I don't think new accounts should be merged unless the person in question really really wants their username changed. Like if MBH wanted it to say MissBHaven instead. Or Rajaa wanted RajaaBoy back. Simply changing for the fuck of it, no.

There's an option to do that in the user profile, no? So why should creating a second account be considered for that purpose? It just seems redundant.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Dragon of Courage on March 22, 2013, 06:29:47 pm
How about putting the Youtube button for replies?

It seems that most users doesn't put the youtube code to post videos, unless some YouTube users restrict showing in it:
Code:
[youtube]video code[/youtube]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 22, 2013, 11:05:10 pm
When you hover you get the original name of the account, not the current one, i meant that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2013, 10:03:33 am
I can edit that if someone really wants to change it, so making a new alt account because they want to change the name is unnecessary
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on March 23, 2013, 07:04:03 pm
Please don't, some people change their name so much around here I lose track of who they are and have to hover just to make sure.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2013, 09:26:31 pm
Agreed. If people can also switch this, then there's no way to tell who's who anymore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 23, 2013, 09:53:39 pm
Speaking of which, who was that Medicine Melancholy fellow?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2013, 09:55:01 pm
Navana.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 23, 2013, 10:30:47 pm
Oh. Well whatever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 24, 2013, 06:22:45 am
remind me again, was he banned forever as in FOREVER! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLkc1huIBCo) or forever as in "i quit the mugen forever"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on March 24, 2013, 06:31:44 am
The former
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 24, 2013, 10:18:17 am
Keep like it is now, it's better (in regard to the name - username thing), I support Sean Altly point of view.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 24, 2013, 11:41:02 am
remind me again, was he banned forever as in FOREVER! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLkc1huIBCo) or forever as in "i quit the mugen forever"
He got banned FOREVER! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLkc1huIBCo), after repeatedly lying to people, getting caught and straight up denying it ( like that new infantry site thing, denying it was him even tho both profiles were halves of the same magic the gathering card ) then turning around and changing his guild profile to be all about "join my new infantry site", as a punishment his profile got blanked. After that he started attempting to provoke people to respond to him, was told not to, and when forbidden to do it created a new account to troll people with.
At that point Bhaven banned him.

http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1676284
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1677626
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 24, 2013, 11:45:23 am
It was a Yu Gi Oh card. :P
And about the merging accounts discussion, hmmm... isn't there another way to keep all of the alternate accounts post histories separated but for the same profile? Like linking a profile to the other (done by a moderator) or something like that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 24, 2013, 11:59:09 am
too much work for what is worth and supposed to be forbidden =P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ViBeZ on March 28, 2013, 12:54:39 am
I was banned? for some reason I couldnt get access to the forum and Iced u was banning me for Trolling not wasting people's time
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 28, 2013, 12:56:44 am
is that a way of saying "ban me again for I dont think what I did was wrong"?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ViBeZ on March 28, 2013, 12:59:13 am
is that a way of saying "ban me again for I dont think what I did was wrong"?

I'm not threatning u man
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 28, 2013, 01:00:09 am
u was banning me for Trolling not wasting people's time
the point of trolling is wasting people's time
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on March 28, 2013, 04:32:23 pm
Dncelestinx, just don't make that kind of things again and get a good behavior with other users, that's all. You don't want to piss off (again) Iced and the rest of the mods/admins...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 28, 2013, 05:27:16 pm
you shouldn't be concerned about pissing off staff members as you should be concerned about pissing off users that are doing nothing harmful
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on April 06, 2013, 09:09:44 pm
Just saw that Cyanide asked to no longer be a Mod. Not sure what the reason is for the abrupt departure, but I just wanted to say that I personally appreciate all that you've done for the forum and for Mugen, especially in the Development Help section. You've been here a long time, so I understand that can take its toll, as can rude or unappreciative people. I hope everything works out and that you can come back one day. Good luck, sir.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on April 06, 2013, 09:21:28 pm
It's not as abrupt as it might seem to you, Cyande told us he had lost most interest in his mod position and the forum as a whole two weeks ago.

His wishes to spend his remaining years lurking quietly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on April 06, 2013, 09:35:14 pm
It's not as abrupt as it might seem to you, Cyande told us he had lost most interest in his mod position and the forum as a whole two weeks ago.

His wishes to spend his remaining years lurking quietly.

Hmm...

He is a good person on this forum that supplied many helpful help on character development.

His skill will be deeply missed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on April 06, 2013, 10:39:34 pm
It's not as abrupt as it might seem to you, Cyande told us he had lost most interest in his mod position and the forum as a whole two weeks ago.

His wishes to spend his remaining years lurking quietly.

he's been feeling that way for far longer.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JTR21 on April 06, 2013, 11:00:58 pm
This may not be important to the mods on MFG, but I just wanted to let you guys know that guy name Zeroz was also causing a problem on MFFA. Again, probably not that important to you guys but I just wanted to make you aware that his trolling extends elsewhere..
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 07, 2013, 12:54:14 am
He does it everywhere. GLB can back me up on that, as well as what I dealt with during my time as a CSX admin speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 07, 2013, 02:00:16 am
It's not as abrupt as it might seem to you, Cyande told us he had lost most interest in his mod position and the forum as a whole two weeks ago.

His wishes to spend his remaining years lurking quietly.

he's been feeling that way for far longer.

yep, I am surprised he lasted that long, being mod is suffering.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JTR21 on April 07, 2013, 02:24:07 am
He does it everywhere. GLB can back me up on that, as well as what I dealt with during my time as a CSX admin speaks for itself.

Do you know when he first started doing this and why?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 07, 2013, 02:56:15 am
I've seen him do it as early as 2009 but that was when there was a battle between a group of users and staff at MI. 2011 or so he really let loose on CSX. That's all I remember.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JTR21 on April 07, 2013, 03:01:14 am
I've seen him do it as early as 2009 but that was when there was a battle between a group of users and staff at MI. 2011 or so he really let loose on CSX. That's all I remember.

Wow, that's sad. I can't believe people are that devoted to spreading hatred.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on April 08, 2013, 06:23:22 am
Zeroz said:
Quote
o let me get this straight, I'm gonna get perma banned for making fun of something Sean said? I haven't had an altercation with him since I got banned so I dunno what in the hell is so wrong to make a joke out of something about Wrestling, because he's not the only person who's told me the exact same thing about calling wrestlers by their real names

I wanted to address this since I saw it in the Warnings thread. If he admits that I'm not the first person to point this out to him, why did he feel the need to not only "piss on my thread" (his words) but accuse me of using "any chance" to bring up that I used to be a wrestler? If more than one person has said this to him, why call me out personally, derail my thread, attack me and accuse of me of attention whoring? If I wasn't the first person to say this, shouldn't he assume that the notion does have some merit and that I'm not bringing it up just to bring it up?

He also seems to lean on the fact that his new profile "offended no one" and that no one complained. Well, in the original altercation, the person I was addressing didn't argue at all, apologized, and edited his previous comment. Yet Zeroz felt the need to jump in and fuck up my thread way after the fact. Seems pretty hypocritical to me. Dude is a troll, his new profile was trolling me, and he's not going to convince me it wasn't. If he didn't "care" about me, he wouldn't still be bitter about the whole thing. He wouldn't feel the need to alter his entire profile because of it. He wouldn't refer to me as "almighty god Seanalty" if he didn't care.

When I saw his new profile, I put him on Ignore. I didn't call him out on it publicly, I didn't PM him or derail any threads. I talked to a GMod about it because I felt like it was meant to provoke me. I handled this in the best way I possibly could outside of flat-out ignoring it, which is hard to do when 90% of his post history is in a thread that I'm fairly active in.

Whatever you guys decide to do, I respect it. I'm just letting you know how I feel about it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on April 08, 2013, 08:25:12 am
He seems to have an obsession with you, Sean. He can't live without trying to offend you in any way.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on April 08, 2013, 03:24:34 pm
He seems to have an obsession with you, Sean. He can't live without trying to offend you in any way.

Just remember that if he ever sends a hitman halfway across the country or some stupid shit, nothing will change the fact that he still idolizes that SeanAltly face tattooed on his leg.

And yeah, that was a reference to that foiled Justin Beiber murder plot a few months back.

Anyway, I just saw Zeroz's altercation with a few people on MFFA. I didnt see what originally happened in the chat, but I'll just leave this here:

Quote
Zeroz
Glisp prays death upon me and threatened violence, gets' sympathy, I retaliate and I get banned from the chat, got these mods are fucken stupid.
  Apr 05 2013 05:20 PM · Unlock · Lock · Approve

ClassicSuperSonic
You do know most of those things were said out of anger. I honestly hate your guts zeroz. Technically, you provoked most of the crap I said.
Apr 05 2013 07:36 PM

 Zeroz
Actually, You started making death threats to me around the time me and dissidia were feuding..something you should have never tried getting involved with in the first place.
Apr 05 2013 07:39 PM

ClassicSuperSonic
Well just fucking drop it Zeroz. There's a reason I used to defend Diss. I thought he was my fucking friend but even that was false. So you know what, the fact you're continuing the bullshit is a moot point. I just fucking want to move on and forget about it but that won't work because you have to bring it up every five fucking minutes. There's a reason I hate you Zeroz and it's because you don't know when enough is enough. I've had it with your smug attitude and d...
Apr 05 2013 07:45 PM

Quote
Zeroz
Poor Glisp, no matter how much shit you talk, I still win.
  Apr 03 2013 08:05 PM · Unlock · Lock · Approve

From what I can tell, it was something insignificant yet he refuses to drop it. Yeah, he's not changing. Here or on MFFA.


Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zeroz on April 08, 2013, 09:36:28 pm
In MFFA, eh, I asked for it, dude making death threats to me for something that happened years ago, and I wasn't the only one taking jabs at him during that altercation, I suggest to whomever mentioned this to put the rest of the story that you seemingly forgot to mention.

Gill also forgot that I already fixed my problems with CSX and even Syn, you can ask if you want.

GLB can also verify that I don't "troll" most of the time, as I was usually helping him and his team with the Newage Forum.

Spreading hatred, oh you kids these days.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GLB on April 08, 2013, 10:58:31 pm
This may not be important to the mods on MFG, but I just wanted to let you guys know that guy name Zeroz was also causing a problem on MFFA. Again, probably not that important to you guys but I just wanted to make you aware that his trolling extends elsewhere..

Why is MFFA relevant to MFG? Nobody cares what happens there that attends here. Sure it could help with the "trolling" not being an exclusive thing here, but other than that it's not even worth mentioning publicly because nobody cares.

He does it everywhere. GLB can back me up on that, as well as what I dealt with during my time as a CSX admin speaks for itself.

I'd prefer not to be a party to the situation, as I am neutral.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GDM on April 08, 2013, 11:04:23 pm
so let me get this straight you guys bring a problem here from MFFA to MFG thinking they going to pity you for what zeroz did man to me it sounds like you just want nothing but attention grow up and learn how to ignore petty crap such as these
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Dissidia on April 08, 2013, 11:10:50 pm
Why is MFFA relevant to MFG? Nobody cares what happens there that attends here. Sure it could help with the "trolling" not being an exclusive thing here, but other than that it's not even worth mentioning publicly because nobody cares.
This. What occurred with MFFA should handle their situation on their own, not pile up the mess on here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ryon on April 08, 2013, 11:14:01 pm
Why is MFFA relevant to MFG? Nobody cares what happens there that attends here. Sure it could help with the "trolling" not being an exclusive thing here, but other than that it's not even worth mentioning publicly because nobody cares.
This. What occurred with MFFA should handle their situation on their own, not pile up the mess on here.

This. What ever happens there stays there, I dont know why its here.
in anycase these guys have been arguing with each other for a long time, so if i may intervene, both of you shut the hell up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zeroz on April 08, 2013, 11:15:01 pm
Pay me 500 bucks and I will say sorry.

But in all honesty, I would of hoped how the staff was handling my bans would stay in the staff discussion instead of being in here. You see what you did?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on April 08, 2013, 11:22:58 pm
This thread is just to get an opinion of what happens in Staff subforum, they only decide there and here it's just a cortesy thread where normal users can express about their decisions. If they don't want to share what decide about your case, any of us can't do anything about that, so just deal with it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zeroz on April 08, 2013, 11:38:59 pm
My problem with MFFA had nothing to do with this forum. and nobody cared about me being banned until that fool decided to mention something I did..SOMEWHERE ELSE.

Your post is now irrelevant as Wanderer's.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on April 08, 2013, 11:44:08 pm
Nope, you're wrong. I wasn't talking about MFFA stuff, I don't post there and I don't know a shit about your past there, so it's irrelevant to me too. I was answering you to this especifically:
But in all honesty, I would of hoped how the staff was handling my bans would stay in the staff discussion instead of being in here. You see what you did?
The staff subforum can be seen for anyone with account here (or at least for the ones with one special star, like contribuitors). Like this thread, this is a transparency decision of Guild staff to all of us. You can be banned for the actual drama you made against Sean, it's nothing about your past on MFFA
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on April 08, 2013, 11:54:02 pm
Staff is visible to everyone, as I don't have a star and can see it just fine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on April 09, 2013, 12:03:18 am
Hi Guys

I want to be GMod again. I don't want to be "part of the staff" per se, as the socio-political arguments going on in the staff section have very little relevance to the sections I read, but I'd still like to provide some feedback to some of the comments that happen in the Staff Section.

Moreover, my main goal being a GMod, is the position of Senior Janitorship of being able to move, edit posts, titles, quoted images and so on that bother me so much, and I used to do when I had the position, and I resent not having anymore. I know you already have a semi-mexican GMod in Cyan Paul, but I offer you 100% the real deal, and I won't abuse my power or ban absolutely anyone.

What do you guys say?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on April 09, 2013, 12:05:10 am
That MFFA thing seems like it was brought up to show your behavior elsewhere, it does seem hateful but that's what I get from it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GDM on April 09, 2013, 12:12:50 am
one does simply not ask to be a gmod
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 09, 2013, 12:32:02 am
walt's going to delete my posts don't make him gmod
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on April 09, 2013, 12:34:44 am
Hi Guys

I want to be GMod again. I don't want to be "part of the staff" per se, as the socio-political arguments going on in the staff section have very little relevance to the sections I read, but I'd still like to provide some feedback to some of the comments that happen in the Staff Section.

Moreover, my main goal being a GMod, is the position of Senior Janitorship of being able to move, edit posts, titles, quoted images and so on that bother me so much, and I used to do when I had the position, and I resent not having anymore. I know you already have a semi-mexican GMod in Cyan Paul, but I offer you 100% the real deal, and I won't abuse my power or ban absolutely anyone.

What do you guys say?

Let me log into my Caddie account and I'll set you up!

:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on April 09, 2013, 12:54:06 am
Let me log into my Caddie account and I'll set you up!

(http://caddie.smeenet.org/cadbow.gif)
I completely and fully deny that MissBHaven is an alternate account of mine. I do want to address something though:

ME!! 

http://caddie.smeenet.org/missb.gif (http://caddie.smeenet.org/missb.gif)

There, finally what you've all been waiting for.  Now I'm no longer banned from this thread I can comment on how nice everyone looks. 

:bow:

I wonder why that image is hosted on my site...hmm...

Anyway, Walt, it's worth a discussion over. I'll see what we can do for you. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 09, 2013, 01:57:39 am
one does simply not ask to be a gmod

Walt's a former mod, I don't see the problem with it. :ninja:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ExShadow on April 09, 2013, 02:28:19 am
walt's going to lock my threads don't make him gmod
fixed
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JTR21 on April 09, 2013, 02:52:38 am
This may not be important to the mods on MFG, but I just wanted to let you guys know that guy name Zeroz was also causing a problem on MFFA. Again, probably not that important to you guys but I just wanted to make you aware that his trolling extends elsewhere..

Why is MFFA relevant to MFG? Nobody cares what happens there that attends here. Sure it could help with the "trolling" not being an exclusive thing here, but other than that it's not even worth mentioning publicly because nobody cares.

Well, that's kind of why that first sentence is there. And if you don't care about the situation, you even quoting me is even less relevant, so is your appearance in this thread other then Gill bringing you up. I'm allowed to make a statement or state my opinion whether you think it's relevant to ANYTHING or not.



My problem with MFFA had nothing to do with this forum. and nobody cared about me being banned until that fool decided to mention something I did..SOMEWHERE ELSE.

Your post is now irrelevant as Wanderer's.

This "fool" was just pointing out that fact you're just a troublemaker. Nice to see insults aren't below you, by the way. Anyway, I think this guy has the right idea

That MFFA thing seems like it was brought up to show your behavior elsewhere, it does seem hateful but that's what I get from it.

and by the way
My problem with MFFA had nothing to do with this forum

I kind of find this untrue. I mean, I honestly kinda find it hard to believe you getting banned from an argument on one forum, and then the next day there's drama started from you on MFG isn't even remotely related, even in the slightest way. You may not start everything, but that doesn't mean you can't end what somebody else started with you. If you get in an argument, is it that hard to walk away? no, it's not. You just want to keep arguing. So like you said,

In MFFA, eh, I asked for it,

and you asked for it everywhere else trouble has brewed around you.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GLB on April 09, 2013, 03:05:14 am
Well, that's kind of why that first sentence is there. And if you don't care about the situation, you even quoting me is even less relevant, so is your appearance in this thread other then Gill bringing you up. I'm allowed to make a statement or state my opinion whether you think it's relevant to ANYTHING or not.

I was stating my opinion on the subject as this section is dedicated to (people explaining their opinion on certain warning topics.) My opinion still stands, and you don't have to get defensive over it. I only say it's not relevant because it involves a completely different forum that has nothing to do with Mugen Guild. Zeroz has already been a problem on Mugen Guild and what happens at your forum shouldn't influence the staff's decision one iota. Regardless of whatever happens with it, you should read the last sentence in your post, and realize that everyone else is allowed to do the same.

I kind of find this untrue. I mean, I honestly kinda find it hard to believe you getting banned from an argument on one forum, and then the next day there's drama started from you on MFG isn't even remotely related, even in the slightest way. You may not start everything, but that doesn't mean you can't end what somebody else started with you. If you get in an argument, is it that hard to walk away? no, it's not. You just want to keep arguing. So like you said,

How does that prove it has anything to do with this forum? O_o And you obviously didn't read any of the prior arguments taking place on MFG. it had nothing to do with MFFA, you just think it did.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on April 09, 2013, 03:06:43 am
I have to agree MFFA's issues with him are totally different than the ones here period. keep mffa drama on mffa and not guild k? Decade stop trying to start shit i know that might be hard for you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JTR21 on April 09, 2013, 03:39:02 am
I have to agree MFFA's issues with him are totally different than the ones here period. keep mffa drama on mffa and not guild k? Decade Stop trying to start shit you do it all the damn time even on mffa.

I don't know you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zeroz on April 09, 2013, 03:41:52 am
I don't know you.

Do us all a favor and stop bringing shit up from somewhere else, you're just instigating.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JTR21 on April 09, 2013, 03:47:45 am
I don't know you.

Do us all a favor and stop bringing shit up from somewhere else, you're just instigating.


Why don't you do me a solid and stop being an asshole first, then we talk. For now, until you grow a pair and stop acting like a child, I'm not doing anything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zeroz on April 09, 2013, 03:51:39 am
I don't know you.

Do us all a favor and stop bringing shit up from somewhere else, you're just instigating.


Why don't you do me a solid and stop being an asshole first, then we talk. For now, until you grow a pair and stop acting like a child, I'm not doing anything.
So you are still going to continue to bring unrelated shit into this forum? who's the child here?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ryon on April 09, 2013, 03:56:16 am
So you are still going to continue to bring unrelated shit into this forum? who's the child here?

Personally I think you both are.
Both of you should just leave it be, ignore each other and stop with the nonsense stuff.

your better off going into a parking lot and duking it out. mano e mano.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zeroz on April 09, 2013, 03:58:57 am
That's a shame, I'm not taking jabs at him, I just told him to stop,  Nobody asked him about anything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 09, 2013, 04:09:09 am
guys get your own forum already!

.... OH WAIT!

great job stealing walt's thunder. I BELIEVE IN WALTER FAST!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on April 09, 2013, 04:09:39 am
EDIT: I can't read.

Walt for president!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on April 09, 2013, 08:29:21 am
This is super silly. Zeroz, you were a jerk and you know it. 'Fess up to your wrongs and move on. Nobody needs to to convince you that you are a troublemaker, because you know you are. Stop it or get banned forever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TRUEMicah on April 09, 2013, 08:33:03 am
Hi Guys

I want to be GMod again.
Walt's a former mod, I don't see the problem with it. :ninja:
A damned good one too.  Hopefully he becomes a mod again. :yes:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 09, 2013, 03:32:30 pm
This is super silly. Zeroz, you were a jerk and you know it. 'Fess up to your wrongs and move on. Nobody needs to to convince you that you are a troublemaker, because you know you are. Stop it or get banned forever.

I cant believe someone is actually trying to prove they are not a jerk by being extremely offended at people pointing out how much of a jerk they are off site.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on April 09, 2013, 03:48:22 pm
walt's going to delete my posts don't make him gmod
Actually at some point soon-ish I planned to propose you back into staff too. Guild kinda needs your nazi iron fist IMO

Walt's a former mod, I don't see the problem with it. :ninja:
And AFAIK I left in amicable terms (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/staff-positions-68116.80.html)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on April 12, 2013, 03:38:42 pm
So, after a 5 day, dead silence both here and in the Public Staff section, as well as Iced maneuvering around my post in this very thread, I assume the final answer is a no?

Not that it would surprise me, but I'm amazed about either the utter ignorance OR secrecy about the matter at hand (not even really an issue, now is it?)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 12, 2013, 03:42:25 pm
With the way you conduct yourself I assumed you had to be joking.  There was some discussion about new staff, we rather have actual new people if we ever need some. We arent even sure we need some right now.

edit: and as you know, people asking to be staff and being accepted arent really that common.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on April 12, 2013, 03:46:55 pm
What exactly about a direct question made you feel I was joking?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 12, 2013, 03:50:59 pm
You basically said you wanted to be staff because someone didnt change a thread title fast enough for your taste, and considering both your behaviour arguing with people and that you know people that ask to be staffed usually arent. it looked like a joke.

Also, considering said behaviour you will now spend weeks hating me forever for having replied with a negative answer.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on April 12, 2013, 03:53:31 pm
Seeing two positive or vaguely positive answers from Caddie and TDS, and knowing our history (let's not fool ourselves here) I'm assuming the main driving force for the "No" is probably you ... and it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

I asked though, I was prepared for a no. Thanks anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 12, 2013, 03:59:28 pm
Hardly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on April 12, 2013, 04:22:12 pm
What exactly about a direct question made you feel I was joking?

I thought you were joking too or I never would have made the comment about logging into my Caddie account.  Now that I've read your post over a few more times, I guess it could be taken either way.

It's true it was discussed and decided no new staff was needed at this time and if/when the need came up, it should be someone new.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on April 12, 2013, 04:30:31 pm
utter ignorance
This is the funniest thing posted in this thread yet. You're not entitled to be a staff member, only Titiln is because he's part of the Super Elite and the Illuminati.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 13, 2013, 01:11:17 am
Actually at some point soon-ish I planned to propose you back into staff too. Guild kinda needs your nazi iron fist IMO
thanks, i appreciate it coming from you. however i said i would not hold majestic staff power here ever again and i plan on sticking to my word

on the other hand, the way discussions about bans are dragging out so much in the staff forum is bad. the fact that this guy (http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/area.showposts;u=81754)'s ban had to be discussed at length (even though users under 13 are not allowed and this has been known for years), or that dragon-kid is still shitposting. well, they're not good facts. the forum needs someone to take the iron nazi asshole fist role. someone else do it. thanks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on April 13, 2013, 01:42:30 am
I feel the 3 day system slows us down badly. Most of the things that would've been accepted with a silent nod now require for general approvation, which can take days.

I know Iced feels the same way, but Caddie, MissB and JMorphman think it's a gold standard.

     Posted: April 13, 2013, 01:48:04 am
Also

Goddammit people, don't leave MOVED threads up. They're a wate of space.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on April 13, 2013, 01:51:23 am
Goddammit people, don't leave MOVED threads up. They're a wate of space.
I'm getting better about that; it's annoying to have to uncheck that box every time I don't want to leave a redirection topic there. Somebody nag Valodim about that box, have him make it unchecked by default.
[avatar]http://i.imgur.com/SDjWcpG.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on April 13, 2013, 03:36:07 am
oh fuck I deleted Rajaa's post fuck fuck fuck stupid fucking phone

Sorry rajaa :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on April 13, 2013, 03:53:19 am
I never had any qualms with longer initial ban times, i simply thought there should be some structure to how long you ban people for.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 13, 2013, 03:54:24 am
The 3 day ban can work when there's clearly a problem going on that needs to be cut down fast, but the mod doing the banning doesn't know what to do with it and requires advice. On cases that feel obvious enough to the mod, there's no reason for a "wait for everyone to chime in" buffer ban. And anyway, even then there's no reason someone who disagrees couldn't bring it up to discuss it still, and bring new information for a possible change in the ban.
It should be here to help and still react fast enough, not to hinder. If the opposite happens, get rid of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 13, 2013, 05:32:58 am
Outlier cases like Zeroz's don't mean we should drop the system. It just needs a few tweaks. Like, if nobody talks about a 3 day ban-ee then whoever banned the guy should decide what to do, since nobody cares either way. For split cases the same thing could work, or maybe an admin could decide. I'm just spitballing here but I think these are minor issues that can easily be remedied.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on April 13, 2013, 06:46:26 am
I think there's A LOT of discussion about 3-day bans for certain people, it should be shorter and more focused on guys who're trolling, making drama or bothering other users. I don't mean it wasn't done, but sometimes it takes a lot of time, like months, especially with problematic users
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on April 13, 2013, 10:47:57 am
Outlier cases like Zeroz's don't mean we should drop the system. It just needs a few tweaks. Like, if nobody talks about a 3 day ban-ee then whoever banned the guy should decide what to do, since nobody cares either way. For split cases the same thing could work, or maybe an admin could decide. I'm just spitballing here but I think these are minor issues that can easily be remedied.

Yeah, what he said.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on April 13, 2013, 10:52:15 am
the forum needs someone to take the iron nazi asshole fist role. someone else do it. thanks.

i would do it..but that would be too cliché  :dunce2:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cazaki on April 13, 2013, 02:38:27 pm
From what I can gather is that the 3 day ban isn't the problem as much as the bans that follow it. I feel like the member that was initially banned was never a normal, functional member of the forum from the first place and show no signs of getting their act together the second time you should just skip ahead to 1 month+ bans. I don't follow the thread that much, however.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 13, 2013, 03:49:09 pm
Outlier cases like Zeroz's don't mean we should drop the system.
The 3 day ban can work when there's clearly a problem going on that needs to be cut down fast, but the mod doing the banning doesn't know what to do with it and requires advice.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 14, 2013, 12:09:25 am
someone already posted this in the warnings thread, apply the 3 day ban instantly, the one applying the ban should suggest what will teh real ban be like, if nobody objects ban him for the amount of time the one who applied the ban suggested.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on April 15, 2013, 09:39:10 pm
Don't full ban Helder Santos, please, maybe his/her intentions are good ones.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on April 15, 2013, 09:42:00 pm
A full ban only means he won't be able to log in and report posts any more. It doesn't mean a permanent ban or anything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on April 16, 2013, 08:59:19 am
We're not going to not ban someone just because you asked nicely. Come back when one of us is being a tyrant. And no, that tyrant part isn't a joke, so don't make an Iced joke.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on April 20, 2013, 09:00:37 pm
Since I can't quote it directly...

Re; Jmorphman's post in Decisions v2 about fixing little things after the April Fool's joke, additionally, the 'found releases' and 'edits and add-ons' links for Winmugen on the front page are no longer on the same line.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 21, 2013, 01:25:10 am
Your Releases, Mugen 1.0 +
Found releases 1.0+
Edits and Addons 1.0+

Your releases, older Mugen
Found Releases
Edits & Add-ons

lots of inconsistency in the typing of these

also FullGame development looks weird
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on April 21, 2013, 05:52:25 pm
I think there should be an option for local moderators to be able to solve reported posts from their board (like a request board moderator solving reports from the request section). I keep finding reports of multiple request topics and I can't solve the reports so a GMod has to do it.
[avatar]http://i.imgur.com/TXd1Qjh.png?1[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on April 21, 2013, 06:11:16 pm
I keep finding reports of multiple request topics

:)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 21, 2013, 10:56:18 pm
Believe me, there is nothing prideful about mass reporting. In fact I'm ashamed that I used to do it.

Don't end up like me. :sadgoi:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: danielaeshell on April 25, 2013, 02:40:49 pm
I have never seen a GOOD restaurant/office/whatever the fuck use comic sans, and I live in fucking INDIA. a third world country.


also you used church in the same sentence with intelligence :smug: :smug:

you live in india? india is the most horrible country,i heard people there are all racists and all that
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on April 25, 2013, 03:04:50 pm
Why do you quote something that is 9 months old?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 25, 2013, 06:20:14 pm
Plus that sounds incredibly racist yourself. :no:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on April 25, 2013, 06:24:22 pm
itd be great if the site tabs displayed the topic titles again
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 25, 2013, 07:29:08 pm
you live in india? india is the most horrible country,i heard people there are all racists and all that
Don't quote 9 month old posts for no real reason. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 25, 2013, 10:27:04 pm
itd be great if the site tabs displayed the topic titles again
quoted for emphasis
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 25, 2013, 10:40:21 pm
The page title is back to "The Mugen Fighters Guild - [Topic title]" in full, wasn't it shortened to "MFG - [Whatever]" at some point ? And it came back after the April's Fool was reverted ? It's a bit of a pain when all your tabs start with a long prefix and you can't tell them apart at a glance.
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1751634 said:
someone needs to fix this, so get off your lazy butts, admins >:[
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1751673 said:
Quote
These settings cannot be changed because settings is read only.
Val will have to do it.
But Val has come and gone once in the meantime, and apparently he didn't notice because no one notified him I suppose.

@Valodim: tag, you're it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 25, 2013, 10:54:43 pm
i left him a message about it, lets see if he notices.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 26, 2013, 12:13:21 am
I did that during the software change because I didn't think it through, and I reverted it recently because it's a bad idea. The reason is simple: the <title> tag of a website is the most significant piece of data web crawlers use to index sites, having a nondescript acronym like "MFG" as page title noticably reduces search engine visiblity and is a SEO no-go.

I might be able to do something about this with some js, but don't get your hopes up. also, I don't really follow this thread, so it's not a very good place to report this kind of thing[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/hugsno.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on April 26, 2013, 12:16:39 am
Is it really that important for Guild to be that accessible to web crawlers at the expense of it's users' accessibility? If MFG was a small site I might see that logic. But I don't see it being an issue with how huge it is and that it's still going to be listed on the 1st page of search engines.

Nevermind. Seems you fixed it :p
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 26, 2013, 12:25:47 am
Is it really that important for Guild to be that accessible to web crawlers

Yes. Absolutely.

I added a js thing now, I hope it's an acceptable compromise.[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/magic.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 26, 2013, 12:26:56 am
Looks great to me, thanks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on April 26, 2013, 01:57:33 am
About RMH: just ban the guy. He's not listening at all and needs to be silenced.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 26, 2013, 03:55:17 am
I don't really follow this thread, so it's not a very good place to report this kind of thing
our bad, we should have brought this issue to twilight's library (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/valodims-thread-103273.0.html) (then again you were missing lately). are you still having problems getting used to your new pair of wings?

thanks for teh hard work as usual
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on April 26, 2013, 04:13:10 am
Is it really that important for Guild to be that accessible to web crawlers

Yes. Absolutely.

I added a js thing now, I hope it's an acceptable compromise.

thanksies
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 26, 2013, 02:22:17 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1754618 said:
theres something about the shitthread that makes idiots want to take a crack at pushing their luck. cant put a finger on why
RMH didn't do that because it was the shit thread, he was only continuing something that was started in (and split from) another topic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on April 26, 2013, 10:00:01 pm
Indeed. If I recall correctly, the split came from the Feminist thread in Gaming.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on April 26, 2013, 10:01:15 pm
Yes, Feminist study of games, where she gained money etc. ... and then the argument started (mostly by RMH).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on April 26, 2013, 10:20:57 pm
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He's delusional.  Like, I'm legitimately questioning his mental state.  He's fabricated some sort of reality for himself wherein he's some unparalleled intellectual conducting social experiments by "pretending" to start arguments and watching everyone else react.  And anything anyone tells him to the contrary only serves to strengthen his delusion.  To put it less politely:  Dude's head is crammed so far up his ass he's gargling his own tonsils.

I'd say the best course of action would be to ignore him and let this particular instance wither and die with a warning, and the next time he decides to start another "case study" we drop the banhammer on him.

Funny, his flame war with me a few months ago was because I said the same thing...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on April 26, 2013, 10:22:32 pm
And I really hope we can do what the quote says and ignore this whole event. Let's not bring it again, please.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Synck on May 04, 2013, 03:46:08 pm
geting maleware on cenobite's 8 stages release in old mugen releases... 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 20, 2013, 01:24:39 pm
MBH, if a guy gets banned 3 times for the same thing but is let go every time with a slap on the wrist (even though you know it keeps escalating), you know he's going to do the same thing again. And if he's going to do the same thing again, you DO take his past history into account. It's what you guys do when you say "we give him a short ban this time, and if he does it again we increase it and double it each time". It's exactly taking his past history into account, so you saying what you just said in the warning thread about Zeroz is pretty much denying and going against everything else you've done so far. And no, he hasn't "already paid for his past crime".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on May 20, 2013, 02:59:21 pm
I also think the only time we should be taking a persons past post history and bans into consideration is when deciding the length of a current ban or punishment.  If someone has been banned before, they paid for the crime so to speak.  Making them pay again by saying it's ok for others to break the rules and insult them isnt fair.

What this means is if I am banned for derailing your threads and insulting you and I serve my ban, that does not give you free rein to break the rules at a later date and use the reasoning that I derailed your threads and insulted you in the past.  Yes I did, but I was punished for that once.  Staff should use my posting and ban history to decide how long to ban me for now.  But it is not fair if they use the reasoning "it's ok for DKDC to break the rules and insult MBH over and over because after all she was banned in the past for insulting him and derailing his threads."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 20, 2013, 04:19:20 pm
You're getting it all wrong. You're acting like Zeroz came back and stayed out of trouble and is still getting insulted and punished for something he did in the past. You know he didn't stay out of trouble, and he's getting punished for something he did right now.
You did something, you got banned for it, and then you come back and do the same, this is the situation that's going on here. This isn't "he did something bad in the past, got punished, came back, now a while later he's doing another thing that's also bad or he's getting insulted for something that's in the past". No, it's "he did something bad, got banned, came back and DID IT AGAIN, and he's getting insulted for that". There is exactly a need to look into his post history, to know that it's the same thing and he's not learning.
When Zeroz was going after Sean the last three times, he got banned for a short time and it was like "let's just hope he doesn't do that again, if he does he gets banned some more". Guess what, he did do it again.
When you're letting Zeroz come within 20 feet of Sean, you already know what's going to happen, you know how bad it was the last few times (it wasn't just random insults, Zeroz literally stalked him and mocked him in his profile and everything). You know this guy is going to provoke that guy one way or another, and that guy will react badly to it. And when it does actually happen, that makes it your fault, because you knew it, you could have prevented it, and you did nothing.

Sean didn't come after Zeroz, and you're acting like he did. Sure he overreacted (and even then that's debatable because everyone knows where Zeroz was going ANYWAY), and he needs to learn to keep his calm because he too should know what's going to happen. But you can't say "he should know better", because, hell, YOU should know better. To begin with, the only reason Sean got mad is that you guys let Zeroz come back and stalk Sean some more. You say "just report it" but why would he do that if you keep letting Zeroz go ? That just makes it your fault.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on May 20, 2013, 04:30:00 pm
Nevermind, misread one of Sean's posts. Still for permabanning Zeroz.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on May 20, 2013, 04:44:36 pm
Sean didn't come after Zeroz, and you're acting like he did. Sure he overreacted (and even then that's debatable because everyone knows where Zeroz was going ANYWAY), and he needs to learn to keep his calm because he too should know what's going to happen. But you can't say "he should know better", because, hell, YOU should know better. To begin with, the only reason Sean got mad is that you guys let Zeroz come back and stalk Sean some more. You say "just report it" but why would he do that if you keep letting Zeroz go ? That just makes it your fault.
there is also he posibility of sean reporting and mbh just going "oh, so if you are calm enough to report/ignore it I guess I don't need to take action".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 20, 2013, 05:11:30 pm
i was gonna say something on the subject but it was pretty much
You're getting it all wrong. You're acting like Zeroz came back and stayed out of trouble and is still getting insulted and punished for something he did in the past. You know he didn't stay out of trouble, and he's getting punished for something he did right now.
You did something, you got banned for it, and then you come back and do the same, this is the situation that's going on here. This isn't "he did something bad in the past, got punished, came back, now a while later he's doing another thing that's also bad or he's getting insulted for something that's in the past". No, it's "he did something bad, got banned, came back and DID IT AGAIN, and he's getting insulted for that". There is exactly a need to look into his post history, to know that it's the same thing and he's not learning.
When Zeroz was going after Sean the last three times, he got banned for a short time and it was like "let's just hope he doesn't do that again, if he does he gets banned some more". Guess what, he did do it again.
When you're letting Zeroz come within 20 feet of Sean, you already know what's going to happen, you know how bad it was the last few times (it wasn't just random insults, Zeroz literally stalked him and mocked him in his profile and everything). You know this guy is going to provoke that guy one way or another, and that guy will react badly to it. And when it does actually happen, that makes it your fault, because you knew it, you could have prevented it, and you did nothing.

Sean didn't come after Zeroz, and you're acting like he did. Sure he overreacted (and even then that's debatable because everyone knows where Zeroz was going ANYWAY), and he needs to learn to keep his calm because he too should know what's going to happen. But you can't say "he should know better", because, hell, YOU should know better. To begin with, the only reason Sean got mad is that you guys let Zeroz come back and stalk Sean some more. You say "just report it" but why would he do that if you keep letting Zeroz go ? That just makes it your fault.
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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on May 20, 2013, 07:35:04 pm

Sean didn't come after Zeroz, and you're acting like he did. Sure he overreacted (and even then that's debatable because everyone knows where Zeroz was going ANYWAY), and he needs to learn to keep his calm because he too should know what's going to happen. But you can't say "he should know better", because, hell, YOU should know better. To begin with, the only reason Sean got mad is that you guys let Zeroz come back and stalk Sean some more. You say "just report it" but why would he do that if you keep letting Zeroz go ? That just makes it your fault.

I Haven't said "he should know better"  that was Rajaa.  Nor have I suggested Zeroz get a slap on the wrist (3 day ban) that was jmorph.   I'm suggesting Sean get a verbal warning, others are calling for him to get banned.  Caddie was the one analyzing  the posts (at  Sean's request) that showed Sean losing his cool and so on.  Maybe you better take all that up with them.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 20, 2013, 07:45:04 pm
I was responding to your comment that Zeroz's post history shouldn't be looked into when deciding whether Sean had a right to lash out and insult him. You said that because you acted like Sean came after Zeroz out of nowhere. I'm explaining that there was a reason he did that, everyone saw his reaction coming and everyone knew what direction Zeroz was heading to. I'm also including your earlier attitude that Sean should have just reported Zeroz. The whole of my post was a summary of the entire situation, and yes, it included things that you yourself didn't say, but that were just as important. Don't go and deflect those parts like "oh I'm not the one who said this bit and that bit" because it's not the point.
The point is that the handling of this whole thing was terrible, that it started with you and then Caddie, that it's just plain stupid that you guys are even considering punishing Sean for this crap, and that you yourself have almost been actively protecting Zeroz, acting like he didn't do shit and he didn't deserve to be yelled at because we shouldn't look into his post history and it shouldn't excuse Sean's behavior. And quite frankly that's just fucking terrible.
Should Sean watch his temper, yes. Do we know that's not happening, yes. Do we know Zeroz shouldn't have been allowed there in the first place because we already knew what he was going to do, hell yes.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on May 20, 2013, 07:51:04 pm
maybe shes putting personal feelings into this she did after all KNOW zeroz from infantry? if thats the case that is in no way shape or form something a mod should do.

idk for sure if she is or not just putting that out there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on May 20, 2013, 08:08:21 pm
maybe shes putting personal feelings into this she did after all KNOW zeroz from infantry? if thats the case that is in no way shape or form something a mod should do.

idk for sure if she is or not just putting that out there.


 I am putting personal feelings into this.  I think he's a detestable wannabe troll that I've had major issues with elsewhere.  If it were any other two people, I'd probably say what one got as ban, they should both get.  I sure wouldnt be "voting" for a 3 month ban and may change my vote to 6.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on May 20, 2013, 08:32:55 pm
You're getting it all wrong. You're acting like Zeroz came back and stayed out of trouble and is still getting insulted and punished for something he did in the past. You know he didn't stay out of trouble, and he's getting punished for something he did right now.
You did something, you got banned for it, and then you come back and do the same, this is the situation that's going on here. This isn't "he did something bad in the past, got punished, came back, now a while later he's doing another thing that's also bad or he's getting insulted for something that's in the past". No, it's "he did something bad, got banned, came back and DID IT AGAIN, and he's getting insulted for that". There is exactly a need to look into his post history, to know that it's the same thing and he's not learning.
When Zeroz was going after Sean the last three times, he got banned for a short time and it was like "let's just hope he doesn't do that again, if he does he gets banned some more". Guess what, he did do it again.
When you're letting Zeroz come within 20 feet of Sean, you already know what's going to happen, you know how bad it was the last few times (it wasn't just random insults, Zeroz literally stalked him and mocked him in his profile and everything). You know this guy is going to provoke that guy one way or another, and that guy will react badly to it. And when it does actually happen, that makes it your fault, because you knew it, you could have prevented it, and you did nothing.

Sean didn't come after Zeroz, and you're acting like he did. Sure he overreacted (and even then that's debatable because everyone knows where Zeroz was going ANYWAY), and he needs to learn to keep his calm because he too should know what's going to happen. But you can't say "he should know better", because, hell, YOU should know better. To begin with, the only reason Sean got mad is that you guys let Zeroz come back and stalk Sean some more. You say "just report it" but why would he do that if you keep letting Zeroz go ? That just makes it your fault.

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that it's just plain stupid that you guys are even considering punishing Sean for this crap, and that you yourself have almost been actively protecting Zeroz

But Zeroz was staying out of trouble. And Sean did come after Zeroz. Sean started insulting Zeroz because Zeroz said negative things about John Cena, which Sean took as a personal offense. You are completely wrong about the order of events and what happened. :-\ It took Sean calling Zeroz an asshole and a dickhead before Zeroz made a personal attack on Sean back. And that was after a huge list of other personal attacks that Sean was throwing at Zeroz.

http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1767009 (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1767009)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 20, 2013, 08:55:52 pm
I saw your summary and I already know you're missing the point.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on May 20, 2013, 08:56:54 pm
But what you're saying happened didn't happen the way you said it happened...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 20, 2013, 09:03:01 pm
Except maybe the part where everyone knew where Zeroz was headed no matter what and we all knew from past events that why the hell are you even letting Zeroz get within 20 feet of Sean and why is he still around at all and if you haven't done anything up to now why would you expect Sean to bother with the report section and in what magical land did you just expect Sean to keep calm after everything that's happened. I read your summary, did you read mine at all ? What part of my post didn't happen ? The part where Zeroz did the same thing 3 times and was let go with a slap on the wrist ? The part where everyone knew what he was looking for anyway ? The part where everyone knew Sean would blow up like that anyway ? The part where you wouldn't have done anything anyway ? The part where everyone knew it and no one bothered to do anything before it ? The part where you're blaming Sean for something you knew would happen and did nothing ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on May 20, 2013, 09:09:06 pm
He didn't "head there" though. What you're saying is basically "Zeroz should know better than to say negative things about John Cena because he knows that really ticks SeanAltly off". That's crazy. Once again, Zeroz was not saying anything negative to SeanAltly. He was not addressing SeanAltly at all. He was making posts about why he dislikes a wrestling character in the wrestling thread. Sean started it with him and said "I just can't keep ignoring this idiot saying those things when he doesn't know what he's talking about!" and started the insults. And Zeroz stayed away from fighting back with him, but Sean persisted. How are you not seeing that as what happened? I showed that's exactly what happened.

You're either saying that Zeroz shouldn't be allowed to reply to SeanAltly, which he didn't because Sean was the one that replied to one of his posts to start this(something he did several times), or that Zeroz shouldn't be allowed to either post in the wrestling thread or talk about John Cena, both are things I disagree with and would think would be ridiculous if someone suggested it. If that's not what you're saying, what are you saying?

Edit: Oh, if what you're saying was he should have been banned already then I don't know, maybe. He wasn't though and he didn't provoke Sean in any other way than saying bad things about John Cena that Sean didn't think was true. Maybe we could have stopped it earlier.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 20, 2013, 09:15:27 pm
Maybe you haven't paid any attention to the various past stuff that happened between those two and how they always started out and how Zeroz posed as a victim each time and yet everyone saw through him. You don't see it here because Sean went nuts faster, but again, he was doing the same thing as he has done 3 times in the past. It always went the same way, it always ended the same way, with everyone clearly aware that Zeroz WAS looking for it all along. He starts with something small, and HE escalates by calling Sean out on whatever. Sean simply broke out faster this time, and you're dumping it on him for it. Zeroz was banned 3 times for doing that. You say that in this case, Zeroz was staying out of it, have you never seen a troll in action or something ??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on May 20, 2013, 09:25:24 pm
I did pay attention and I'm tried of people suggesting that I don't know their past. Yes, I was there for all the bans in the past. I saw the profile. I'm not seeing Zeroz as a victim, I'm seeing Sean as the provocateur. Which he was unless you seriously think John Cena bashing is grounds for what happened. Zeroz really didn't fight back. Yeah you can say "that's just how he trolls" but it still was what happened. Zeroz was banned 3 times for how far he went when fighting with Sean, he wasn't banned 3 times for attacking John Cena. That's all he was doing until Sean started it with him.

Btw Sean I wanna make it clear that what Zeroz said about you being a moocher or talentless or whatever was completely baseless and of course not true. You're a very talented contributor to both this site and Mugen in general and I'm sorry if you got the impression that just because I believe you were responsible for this mess taking place that any of that crap is true. It's not.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 20, 2013, 09:29:38 pm
So how come you're the only one who's not seeing that this is what Zeroz was going for anyway ? Again, he did the exact same thing in the past, start with something small and seemingly unrelated, and then escalate and specifically call out Sean on something. This time it was John Cena, last time it was something else, the time before that it was something else again. John Cena, Sean's own wrestling, Sean's detailed knowledge of wrestlers, what have you. The only thing that changed this time is that Sean snapped right from the start, because he, like everyone else, knew what Zeroz was going to do anyway. Your claim that Zeroz wasn't doing anything THIS time and didn't respond is exactly the kind of things he wants.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on May 20, 2013, 09:44:49 pm
So how come you're the only one who's not seeing that this is what Zeroz was going for anyway ?

I'm not the only one that thinks the way I do about what happened, check the shit thread. You are in the minority on this one.

Again, he did the exact same thing in the past, start with something small and seemingly unrelated, and then escalate and specifically call out Sean on something. This time it was John Cena, last time it was something else, the time before that it was something else again. John Cena, Sean's own wrestling, Sean's detailed knowledge of wrestlers, what have you. The only thing that changed this time is that Sean snapped right from the start, because he, like everyone else, knew what Zeroz was going to do anyway. Your claim that Zeroz wasn't doing anything THIS time and didn't respond is exactly the kind of things he wants.

But that's not what happened. Sean escalated it, and Sean called out Zeroz on "being an idiot who doesn't know anything". What literally started this was this post:

I don't have to be a Dirt Sheet reading smark to know that Cena does pull strings backstage, Ryback was feuding with a rising team, and what a coincidence that Cena magically got involved with this feud when it was originally for Ryback, They destroyed Ryback, this monster machine, but all of a sudden they couldn't get the job done last night?

That Belt has no Value anymore, Punk did nothing for it, he could reign for two straight years and it still wouldn't matter because they paid more attention to Cena more than anything...the only time they let his reign shine was when he was feuding with The Rock.

They did turn Ryback heel to keep him down, they didn't want him to be more over than Cena, since he's getting more boos than ever. They could of gone the Tweener route, but nah, let's put Ryback's year plus push to rest instead so Cena can continue to pretend that people like him now that he won the belt from Dwayne. 

      Posted: May 14, 2013, 09:38:32 pm
P.S Download the WWE APP.

Do you see anything in there that justifies Sean starting the fight by replying like this:

All of the shit you spew is crazy, baseless accusations from someone who hates Cena just as blindly as kids love him. Be sure to kick back and call me a butthurt fanboy or some shit, too, even though I agreed that Cena's booked too strong and he doesn't need the title. I guess you can't not like Cena's booking without also thinking he's an evil, selfish backstage politician. I just get tired of all the pessimistic whining and bullshit where there should be reasonable discussion of something we all claim to be fans of. I'm apparently just not going to get that here.

Please tell me, are what you suggesting is that Zeroz should not have either 1. been allowed to post in the wrestling thread or 2. make that post about Cena?

And if you're thinking Zeroz should have been banned in the first place, please say that. That's way more reasonable than either of those.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 20, 2013, 09:51:56 pm
Zeroz should have been banned in the first place. Not just because of what he did in the past, but because we knew what he was going to do. This includes get anywhere close to Sean and start shit talking about stuff that WILL get Sean to respond.
Sean responded with what you quote BECAUSE he already knew where Zeroz was headed. It's not a single occurrence of something new as you see it, it's a continuation of everything before that. Sean isn't just going to a random guy with his own opinion about Cena and just starting to trash talk him out for having his different opinion about Cena, Sean is saying that Zeroz is always doing that and this is one more example of it. The "all the shit you spew is crazy" is not referring to this one happenstance, it's referring to everything Zeroz has done in the past. Have you seen Sean go up to someone ELSE with a different opinion and say "you spew crazy shit" ? Because even though I never touch the wrestling thread, I'm pretty sure I saw Sean defend himself by listing all the times he was capable of talking with someone with a different opinion. Which shows that Zeroz is the exception. And we know why, and we saw it coming.
Sean did not start anything. You can quote that topic all you want, you can quote him throwing the first insults in this particular discussion all you want, you have to stop seeing it as one single event and understand that this is the whole package of everything that happened before. Sean didn't throw the first insult because it didn't start just on Tuesday, it started all the way back.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on May 20, 2013, 10:14:16 pm
I understand feeling that way but you're saying here that SeanAltly was justified in a preemptive strike because he thought Zeroz wrestling posts was going to lead to a personal attack on him because SeanAltly is a fan of a wrestler that Zeroz hates.

Also, Zeroz didn't even go there 'this time'. He even started talking about something else with a different user about a different wrestling company, having not insulted Sean or even continuing about his dislike for that wrestler, until SeanAltly persisted. It wasn't going to go there. The topic was changed. Until Sean insisted on bringing it back. I get your claim that this was all part of some kind of master plan but it really doesn't look that way to me. If Sean would have left it alone, it would have stopped with Sean having called Zeroz a know nothing idiot several times and Zeroz having barely even said anything back. Especially nothing insulting.

This whole thing is ridiculous. It really is.

Sean did not start anything. You can quote that topic all you want, you can quote him throwing the first insults in this particular discussion all you want, you have to stop seeing it as one single event and understand that this is the whole package of everything that happened before. Sean didn't throw the first insult because it didn't start just on Tuesday, it started all the way back.

Ridiculous. That's just not true. Sean factually started this argument. Them having disagreements in the past over wrestling before does not mean that Sean didn't throw the first(couple of) punch(es) in this fight.

What you're saying is the same as someone just randomly insulting someone out of nowhere and justifying it as "well he was banned in the past for fighting with me so I can insult him all I want! I didn't start it!" No. Not how things work.

Sean's a great asset to this forum and I like him for that. Zeroz has crossed the line several times with his behavior and is always walking a thin line because of that. That does not exempt Sean from being the catalyst in this, something that I feel like I've proven and saying "no but the past" isn't going to change that. Your suggestions are that Sean is not responsible at all for his behavior, or that it is completely excusable, or hell maybe you think he didn't do anything wrong. I disagree with you and I think we've debated this to a dead-end in that regard.

You say that I should look at the whole picture, what I suggest to you and to anyone who is looking at it like that is to at least try and think smaller and consider it as an isolated incident for a change and ask yourselves these questions: Who was the catalyst, who continued to persist with it, how could this have easily have been avoided, who was trying to prevent it from continuing but the other party would have no part in that, and how many posts contained personal insults on each side?

By the way, I could have handled this better. I'm not even confident that these posts are the best way for me to continue to be handling the situation.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on May 20, 2013, 10:22:15 pm
I'm really glad someone is bringing this up. The argument that happened over the last few days absolutely was an extension of every argument we've had before, and I was still admittedly bitter that so little was done about Zeroz in the past that I flew off the handle and let him have it. Despite the tone of shock and surprise in some of my recent posts, I kind of knew I'd be painted as the bad guy this time, I just didn't care because I knew that if nothing was going to be done about Zeroz, I was going to get my shots in. Simple as that. I threw the first insult this time, but it was because I know Zeroz and I know his MO.

Also, I see that the topic having changed to TNA for 12 hours is still being used in this discussion but everyone seems to ignore the fact I made this post:

Are you done playing the victim card? I wanna bitch and moan about the evil John Cena without anyone proving me wrong or expecting me to back up my stupid, baseless claims.

Yeah, sure, have at it.

@GLB

All of what you said is true. I wish I had a little more self control. I wish assholes didn't know to push my buttons so well. You see the post he made right after yours. He isn't interested in doing anything but whining about Cena and being a general dickhead. I just have a hard time ignoring people like him.

In this post I admitted I lost control and that Zeroz knew how to push my buttons, which is what he was doing. I told Zeroz he could go back to doing his thing and had no intention of continuing this argument. Then almost three days later, Zeroz posted his response. How is that not way worse than my 12 hour gap where I responded to Zeroz? Because someone made a few posts about TNA during that?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 20, 2013, 10:29:34 pm
Ridiculous. That's just not true. Sean factually started this argument.
Okay now there's a limit to how fucking dense you can be.
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What you're saying is the same as someone just randomly insulting someone out of nowhere and justifying it as "well he was banned in the past for fighting with me so I can insult him all I want! I didn't start it!" No. Not how things work.
MBH was making the same argument earlier and we already went over that. This is exactly how it fucking works, and no one EVER SAID "he did something bad in the past, that means I can insult him freely". Stop fucking saying that. He's getting insulted BECAUSE HE'S DOING THE EXACT SAME FUCKING THING AS BEFORE.

This argument wasn't something that started just here. This argument is the same as everything that came before. It's not something new, it's a continuation of everything.

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hat I suggest to you and to anyone who is looking at it like that is to at least try and think smaller and consider it as an isolated incident for a change
How about no and stop fucking saying that. There's literally no justification to seeing this as an isolated incident. Just telling everyone else to disregard everything that happened in the past is what's ridiculous. This is happening BECAUSE of how it went in the past, you can't just throw away the reason this is happening and then claim "look, this is happening without a reason, so he's the one who started it".
And stop claiming that Zeroz was trying to get away from it. Again, have you never seen a troll ? Because it sure fucking looks like you have no idea how people like him act, even though he acted the exact same way in the past and you claim to have seen him do it.

I also think that this is getting ridiculous, and you are getting really fucking dense. That's all there is to it. There's no way you can convince me otherwise, and this isn't going to move any further.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on May 20, 2013, 10:43:31 pm
In this post I admitted I lost control and that Zeroz knew how to push my buttons, which is what he was doing. I told Zeroz he could go back to doing his thing and had no intention of continuing this argument. Then almost three days later, Zeroz posted his response. How is that not way worse than my 12 hour gap where I responded to Zeroz? Because someone made a few posts about TNA during that?
I'm glad you brought that up. Here's why. You made your post, the one that was 12 hours after the subject change, responding to Zeroz for saying this:

Then stop responding, You're not going to change my views on John Cena, I hate him and will continue to do so until he has the balls to tweak his character..or just go away forever.

Still Main eventing - Check
Buries Ziggler - Check
Buries Ryback - Find out this Sunday at Extreme Rules!
Ruined CM Punk's Title Reign - Check
Ruined The Shield - Check

You replied to that after him and other users began talking about a TNA. The post that he didn't respond to for 3 days was this:

Are you done playing the victim card? I wanna bitch and moan about the evil John Cena without anyone proving me wrong or expecting me to back up my stupid, baseless claims.

Yeah, sure, have at it.

@GLB

All of what you said is true. I wish I had a little more self control. I wish assholes didn't know to push my buttons so well. You see the post he made right after yours. He isn't interested in doing anything but whining about Cena and being a general dickhead. I just have a hard time ignoring people like him.

Where you called him an asshole and a dickhead and changed his quote to say that he bitches and moans and what he says is stupid and baseless. The subject had not changed, that post was the last post in the thread before he replied to you two days later. That's why what you did was worse.

In my opinion.

Quote
This is happening BECAUSE of how it went in the past, you can't just throw away the reason this is happening and then claim "look, this is happening without a reason, so he's the one who started it".

No, this is the justification that you're giving SeanAltly for insulting Zeroz. Yes, it's why SeanAltly did it. It's not why it happened, it's not what actually happened. I'm tired of going over what happened because you're plugging your ears.

So yeah you and I are never going to agree on this Byakko. At least we understand eachother, I hope. Unlike you though, I don't think you're dense. I just think you have a different opinion on what happened. That you're making a lot of assumptions and drawing a bunch of conclusions without looking at what happened. Like you wanted to take a side(SeanAltly) and place blame(Zeroz) without actually caring about what went down. And you have a good reason doing that, btw. If I wasn't trying to look at this objectively I would feel the same way as you and Zeroz would probably have gotten a permanent ban and SeanAltly wouldn't have gotten any kind of talking to about this.

Edit: Removed a dumb edit, I apologize for it's contents. I don't stand by what I said.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on May 20, 2013, 10:56:47 pm
So, just because no one made a few posts about some other thing after me means that the huge gap in responses is going to be ignored? I just don't understand that, apparently, and you're not going to convince me of it either. Agree to disagree, I suppose.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on May 20, 2013, 11:05:04 pm
It was because it was the last post in the thread AND because it was a direct insult to him. His post that you replied to was neither. The fact that he waited 2 days before he replied to you means nothing if he was replying to the last post in the thread, and that post was an attack on him that he was responding to. If it was longer than that it'd be different.

     Posted: May 20, 2013, 11:23:38 pm
Btw I still like the both of you and am sorry if this effected your opinion of me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 21, 2013, 02:02:14 am
Edit: Removed a dumb edit, I apologize for it's contents. I don't stand by what I said.
you need to stop doing this man, maybe make a post after pointing out that you changed your mind or whatever, but when you remove it I can only imagine the worse possible things that you could have posted.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 21, 2013, 02:51:50 am
EDIT: there was a long post here about caddie's latest decisions as administrator but it was mostly hurtful so i have removed it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on May 21, 2013, 03:50:09 am
EDIT: there was a long post here about caddie's latest decisions as administrator but it was mostly hurtful so i have removed it

was it the one where you said he was better when he was drunk ? or was it the one where you tell him to make himself taller?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on May 21, 2013, 05:07:01 am
@Just No Point: I don't think anybody has warned Watson about his MAKE IT PAWTS STAHL posts. He's annoyed plenty of people, but no real warnings have been issued IIRC.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on May 21, 2013, 05:17:26 am
Hmmm, I feel it should be up to the author. If he wishes for posts of that nature to be removed he may ask to do so.

It's not as bad as "I was expecting X character"

I'll leave it unsolved till tomorrow in case this has been discussed before. I seem to recall a discussion over it. If nothing else stems from it I'll just let it slide and solve it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on May 21, 2013, 06:25:52 am
Edit: Removed a dumb edit, I apologize for it's contents. I don't stand by what I said.
you need to stop doing this man, maybe make a post after pointing out that you changed your mind or whatever, but when you remove it I can only imagine the worse possible things that you could have posted.
EDIT: there was a long post here about caddie's latest decisions as administrator but it was mostly hurtful so i have removed it

Ok.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on May 21, 2013, 10:22:49 am
was it the one where you tell him to make himself taller?
I dunno what's worse, the way this topic is going, or that I actually get the reference in your post.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on May 21, 2013, 11:24:45 am
@Just No Point: I don't think anybody has warned Watson about his MAKE IT PAWTS STAHL posts. He's annoyed plenty of people, but no real warnings have been issued IIRC.

I did warn him via personal message to stop his rudeness.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on May 21, 2013, 04:12:10 pm


was it the one where you tell him to make himself taller?
I dunno what's worse, the way this topic is going, or that I actually get the reference in your post.
the later.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on May 21, 2013, 05:07:02 pm
There's nothing to be ashamed about getting the reference. Source of that quote was worth following.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on May 22, 2013, 02:29:08 am
I dunno what's worse, the way this topic is going, or that I actually get the reference in your post.
ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MellyInChains on June 18, 2013, 09:29:48 pm
@ those two posts in the warnings thread

yeah, sorry about all that, lol. that just irritated me a lot more than it should've, but i forgot i was posting all that in the release thread too, just fuckin silly to get upset over shit like that. my apologies
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 18, 2013, 10:35:25 pm
on the other hand why should anyone expect feedback in a found release thread where it's assumed the creator is not reading any of it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on June 18, 2013, 10:48:50 pm
Authors of found releases should be afforded the same respect that normal release should get. Especially in this case, when the author can read English and was a member of this forum. Feedback doesn't necessarily need to be a requirement, but the thread should be about the character, and not what people think of the author.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on June 18, 2013, 10:50:31 pm
Was that why was the thread locked?

The guy even responded to the feedback (http://mugenfreeforall.com/index.php?/topic/13310-mutant-dna-boss-diba-bug-fix-2013-06-14/?p=132281) (granted it's not a very good response).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on June 18, 2013, 10:56:53 pm
It was locked because a majority of you who replied in the topic did it while attacking Werewood. I'd appreciate it if everyone who participated in that this time not make it a habit. Not in any release thread. Werewood didn't even provoke any of you, he wasn't even here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 18, 2013, 11:00:23 pm
jmorphman's last post said that he would delete any replies not about the character from now on, which is a much better solution than thread locking
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on June 18, 2013, 11:05:51 pm
@Jmorphman

Concerning your post about not being able too see the thread on MFFA, yeah you have to register.

Don't ask why.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on June 18, 2013, 11:08:47 pm
There was a grand total of one post in a thread with 25 replies that had feedback greater than "I don't like this" or "this is bad". No one that was replying wanted to talk about the character. The thread is a mess. A complete failure for what a release thread should be. I didn't want to see any more attacks on Werewood and frankly I don't trust the users on this forum to put an end to it. There's always "I know you said to stop BUT" posts. ALWAYS.

I do trust Jmorph to keep the thread clean if he decides to reopen it, though. Sorry I'm a bit upset about what I read in that thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 18, 2013, 11:11:29 pm
let said awful, horribly damaging posts happen and keep those users in mind for the future
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on June 18, 2013, 11:15:58 pm
That's what I would have done if some of the posts in the thread had feedback, or even something positive, in them. Anyway, I left what happens in that thread up to Jmorph. I would like to have the thread be open and have something worthwhile in it but I'm not optimistic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on June 18, 2013, 11:44:46 pm
If I can help with this case, I talked with Werewood in MFFA and he said he can still view the forum, but he doesn't (and won't) sign up, so probably is aware of all the bashing still get for his creations. I just compiled all the feedback in that thread (like 2-3 posts of all the 20+ of "this shit sux" and "OHNO, it's Werewood again" posts) and posted in his MFFA release thread. He answers me about he couldn't run the game nor find gameplay videos of the character, but he thanked me for giving him feedback.

As I said to JM in that thread, how do you expect he would come back again if there's still bashing against him?? That's the main reason why he retired from MUGEN (luckily he came back recently, but after years) and probably won't come back here again. I mean, I wouldn't come back here if I were treated like Werewood (or any of here).

Resuming, I'm with Caddie this time. Period.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on June 19, 2013, 12:05:54 am
i have no idea what is happening  in full, but i can get an idea from this page.

Why are people even reacting to werewood negatively? Werewood was never rude to anyone ever, what kind of jerk would be on his back for getting weird and quitting a few years back?  The only person he could have "injured" to begin with was himself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Pal on June 19, 2013, 04:10:23 am
My memory is hazy but I recall Werewood getting angry at most feedback because he thought it was bashing against his creations, and something about the philosophy of MUGEN being about creativity and freedom and some bullshit about "the best in the west".

However, I do recall him updating his characters way often based on feedback he got, although he had some sort of tendency of "Me first" (releasing rushed versions of characters just because they were unconverted).

His MUGEN work I do not care about so much, but I do recall him making amazingly big walls of text for nothing that was way too annoying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on June 19, 2013, 05:17:02 am
As I said to JM in that thread, how do you expect he would come back again if there's still bashing against him?? That's the main reason why he retired from MUGEN
I don't expect anything. I extended an olive branch, and tried to clear up any possible misconceptions. Werewood... well, dude was intense. I got the sense that he might have felt that he was barred from returning in some way, so I wanted to make clear that that was not the case.

And as far as I can recall, the person hardest on Werewood was Werewood himself. Dude took his MUGEN stuff far too seriously and It was obviously stressing him out. I suspect it played a large role in his decision to leave, although all the negative attention he got clearly played either a major or majority role in that decision. So hopefully he's worked that stuff out, because if he does return, you can be sure that there will be lots of moderator eyes on any of his threads.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Warden-San on June 19, 2013, 08:58:39 am
It was locked because a majority of you who replied in the topic did it while attacking Werewood. I'd appreciate it if everyone who participated in that this time not make it a habit. Not in any release thread. Werewood didn't even provoke any of you, he wasn't even here.

Why are people even reacting to werewood negatively? Werewood was never rude to anyone ever, what kind of jerk would be on his back for getting weird and quitting a few years back?  The only person he could have "injured" to begin with was himself.
For the record I was not on his back for what he did in the past at all and I have no problems with Werewood whatsoever. What did bother me was that his MUGEN files contain a LOT of obnoxious self-deprecation within them and I was being critical of that attitude.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on June 19, 2013, 11:51:09 am
Yeah, and I also read some of his posts in MFFA that had some of that self-deprecation and it irritated me that he has gained that attitude, because I was expecting him to improve his personality a little after the ban. But I know that was completely off-topic in that thread, so I apologize.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on June 19, 2013, 02:33:22 pm
hes been like that since joining our forum it annoys me to believe me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on June 19, 2013, 03:20:10 pm
To be completely honest, I don't even recall Werewood ever being banned from here. Yes, his mugen works needed to be polished, and yes I'll admit that his self-depricative attitude was annoying after a while (though I'll admit that I do sympathize with him abit since I myself went through a similar phase before realizing how I was starting to sound), but I never really had a problem with him personally. The worst I've ever done was the tongue-in-cheek jab at a comment in that thread where someone said not to say the word "sucks", where I then posted a clip of a scene from Caddyshack (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyW-lckVtm8) to satirically illustrate the typical post response if that were to occur.

Though looking at his MFFA posts I can see his overall attitude hasn't changed, and still lacks the appropriate knowledge of the source games to create a solid character.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on June 19, 2013, 04:03:32 pm
I don't even know who this guy is. The obnoxious self-deprecation thing as mentioned as well as some of the things he's said (like, he has no access to the game because he can't run DOS yet there are emulators for that) just tick me off.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on June 19, 2013, 04:16:07 pm
I don't even know who this guy is. The obnoxious self-deprecation thing as mentioned as well as some of the things he's said (like, he has no access to the game because he can't run DOS yet there are emulators for that) just tick me off.

Its not just that one character, I believe he's stated previously with his other characters that he doesnt play the source games either.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on June 19, 2013, 04:28:10 pm
That's silly reasoning to get ticked off. If you don't like the work he makes simply ignore his existence.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TRUEMicah on June 19, 2013, 04:40:21 pm
He wasn't THAT bad.  He was just really obnoxious.
Werewood had great ideas but never expanded on them.  He'd start a project, reach beta phase and move on.
We urged him to expand his betas, research character specs and put more effort into his works but he took it all as slander.  :S

He snapped when a user said a character he was creating was completely astray from it's source and Werewood should start from scratch. 
He was so mad that he pretty much rage quit Mugen.  :/
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on June 19, 2013, 04:40:41 pm
That's silly reasoning to get ticked off. If you don't like the work he makes simply ignore his existence.

Whoever said Werewood ticked me off?

EDIT: Nevermind, just realized that was in response to Roman's post. I'll agree with roman that its a rather poor attitude to have but JNP is right.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on June 19, 2013, 09:29:07 pm
To be completely honest, I don't even recall Werewood ever being banned from here.
No, he just left the forum, no one had banned him since he didn't do nothing, and he retired from MUGEN because of the bashing here. Also, he's open to work with other creators to get better things from his works, you can see his Juri Han made with Orbinaut and his KOFXIII Saiki with BoyBoyz as examples. As RP, I don't have anything against him, I like his grain of sand he make for his works for originality as well converting chars that no one else do before (like the 2 already mentioned and Takumi Hattori, the first PIM3 char for MUGEN) and the statement of open source in all of them, which is good for those ones who want to improve his works.

And well, he just released yesterday Vigilante from old game (and spiritual sequel of Kung Fu Master/Spartan X), even adviced in Mugenchara blog (http://mugenchara.blog.shinobi.jp/Entry/3094/). I would post the news in Found Releases... but well, it eventually would be a new Diba thread, so I won't do it (maybe some of you want to light the fire posting there, it's not my problem now)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 19, 2013, 09:31:43 pm
he left after being banned if this thread is any indication http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/my-final-words-134481.msg1436682.html#msg1436682
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on June 19, 2013, 09:33:47 pm
You may post his releases in the Found Releases board without worry of starting anything. At this point anyone attempting to go off topic in those threads would have their posts deleted and be warned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on June 19, 2013, 09:43:14 pm
No, he just left the forum, no one had banned him since he didn't do nothing, and he retired from MUGEN because of the bashing here.
Like Titiln said, he had been banned before (and probably left over that one, maybe). But he was also banned two other times.

He's not a martyr.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on June 19, 2013, 09:46:02 pm
You may post his releases in the Found Releases board without worry of starting anything. At this point anyone attempting to go off topic in those threads would have their posts deleted and be warned.
Done, thanks for assure this ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on June 20, 2013, 08:58:59 pm
He was a person who took MUGEN way too seriously and had a weak spirit and faulty understanding of how things work. I'm not sure if he changed, but whatever he did is no reason to make a topic named "Borewood/Werewood" to announce his releases. Just announce it, post your opinion, and move on with your life. None of the release areas is a bashing arena.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 20, 2013, 11:25:39 pm
whatever he did is no reason to make a topic named "Borewood/Werewood" to announce his releases
he named himself borewood fyi
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on June 21, 2013, 02:35:19 am
Wow. Damn.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 03, 2013, 06:04:28 am
rmh seemed like a nice guy a few months ago, so 6 months ban as a final chance to see if that calms him down ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: jaede_ on July 03, 2013, 06:09:33 am
rmh seemed like a nice guy a few months ago, so 6 months ban as a final chance to see if that calms him down ?

Probably yes, probably not. It really depends if his current attitude keeps giving him problems in other places. In that case he may change.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on July 04, 2013, 03:18:52 pm
JNP, the "don't take as moderator those who ask to be moderator" saying is not a rule, just a saying. And it's because you often get people who come in out of nowhere and ask to be moderator, it's that those who ask for it usually have no idea what it really is. It's more "if you ask to be mod, you probably won't become one" rather than "don't accept those who ask".
Obviously it was always about those already in power being able to see who is capable of doing it and those who can be trouble, which is done only by knowing each other. Exactly like when you say "hey, XXX would be a good choice if he's willing". And of course, if there's someone who asks for it when you already think he might be a good choice, there's no rule that says you suddenly have to refuse him just because he asked.
I don't think it's ever been a rule for moderators to reject someone who asks. At the very most, some "how to be a good poster" guide will be saying "if you ask for power, you probably won't get it" but it's not a binding order for you and people who actually are mature enough for the board will know it on their own.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 04, 2013, 03:37:10 pm
It's cool. I get the gist of it. I just kinda wish we opened up and asked on occasions to see who would be willing. Then moderators can discuss whom they think might be better out of those.

I think it's actually good to let a few "noobs" in on the moderation if they are nice and have a lot of drive to help out. I think a lot of it comes from wanting to prove something to their peers here. I won't deny when Nunor 1st asked for mods I had no idea what it was either. Once I saw what it was I tried hard to help the forum grow largely to gain rep points and be accepted.

Probably much easier to do when the site is smaller like it was then. Just a thought. And it helps keep them less jaded for a while. At least that's my theory :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on July 04, 2013, 06:44:45 pm
There is also the chance someone who asks may have an ulterior motive.   They want the "power" to warn, ban, move, merge, because they don't like someone else, or they don't like a posting style.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on July 05, 2013, 07:59:14 am
People who ask generally don't want it for the job. They want it because they see it as special in some way.

Being a mod is not special. Nor does it contain any glory. If you do it correctly, people should not even really recognise you're a mod. Being a mod means leading by example at all times and not bringing yourself down to petty argument levels about someone perception of the rules of the forum.

Oh and it sucks rather a lot. So does admin. Admin probably sucks worse.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 05, 2013, 02:26:41 pm
It also means no one wants to update stickies :P

That's all I'm wishing Guild had. Someone excited to help keep certain threads updated and maintained. If they feel special for it because they have it who cares if they try to prove they can do a good job too.

When I look at some other smaller forums I see mods that are doing things to build their community up. MFFA has all kinds of mods that go crazy updating their warehouse stickies for their users.

Most stickies here hadn't been updated since 2006 or earlier when I came back. Important stickies like tools, FAQs, Shared Sprites, Sounds, etc

I thought I would come back, look at the stickies, and know exactly what new things to do to start creation. But nope, most everything was exactly like I left it. That's the 1 spot that mods should stick out from users at. Keeping important/useful information and links updated for its users.

I would like to acknowledge that JMM is doing a fantastic job with the Optional Animation Standards though. :2thumbsup:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on July 05, 2013, 02:35:28 pm


Oh and it sucks rather a lot. So does admin. Admin probably sucks worse.

Being the Admin of a big community can turn into a full time job even, if an admin is very involved with the community.

@Just No Poin

When i were building up another community (not gahq) some years ago i was the only admin (dictator ftw) but used forum threads and news articles on the website to organize whole groups/teams of people who worked as some kind of moderators on specific sections. Including updating threads as example and helping to build up whole databases while they had no special "powers" beside to edit the sticky or closed threads.

Maybe something like that could be helpful here@ old faqs etc. I am sure there are users here with the motivation to update threads releated to available spritesheets etc.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 05, 2013, 02:53:31 pm
Well, currently that's all I'm suggesting. Adding local mods to a few sections to help update stickies and such.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on July 05, 2013, 04:54:31 pm
Cyanide: well, that's why generally there're the same guys for mods everytime and the lack of them. I mean, in Request subforum, the Creator Website Database Thread is abandoned, there're a lot of new websites reported (new, offline, replaced, hosted on Web Archive, etc) and no one is in charge of it... not mentioning same JNP saying he can't be enough time to mod Developement Resources forum and asks for help as we read.

I think a good idea should be making something like Contributor Suggestion Thread, but for those ones who wanted to be a mod in some of subforums, and then being choosed by popular choice (being users, mods or admins), so the thing would be more democratic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 05, 2013, 10:58:30 pm
More local mods sounds like a great idea.

I would like to acknowledge that JMM is doing a fantastic job with the Optional Animation Standards though. :2thumbsup:
That's just patently false.

It's been over a year and I'm still not done. THE SHAME
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on July 06, 2013, 12:06:22 am
I pushed for local mods years back. Deaf ears.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Joulz on July 06, 2013, 03:47:07 am
Well, currently that's all I'm suggesting. Adding local mods to a few sections to help update stickies and such.

that's a good idea: it would probably help remove some of the load off the Gmods, like tasks that are necessary but kind of time consuming for nothing.
there are a few users here that could be trustworthy & solid candidates IMO
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 06, 2013, 06:04:17 am
Added a poll
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on July 06, 2013, 06:38:15 am
Great suggestion. All we need is the who.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on July 06, 2013, 07:44:21 am
(http://www.2120.cl/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/The-Who-I.jpg)
 :???:

Ontopic: Good idea about the poll, I already voted :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on July 06, 2013, 06:01:37 pm
Great suggestion. All we need is the who.

If i may make a suggestion, its not the usual MFG Staff Style, but a mass PM to everyone, or maybe to all Contributors could solve that question easily.

I can only speak for my own experiences, but thats just the easiest way to reach a lot people ...a simple forum post or thread will reach only a few percent of possible volunteers.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 21, 2013, 04:17:18 pm
why was tempest demodded
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 21, 2013, 04:51:16 pm
well yes i guess caddie announcing it is weird after this http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1761810
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on July 21, 2013, 05:46:18 pm
Because I deleted a useless, condescending post after I called a dumb person dumb. If you "step out of your boundaries" even one time as a local mod you are demoted without being talked to first. I don't really care though, I only really stickied and moved topics anyway every other month. Not much moderating to be done.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 21, 2013, 06:12:51 pm
you would think that, in a forum where shitposters get 10 verbal warnings before any action is taken on them, a local mod would also get talked to after stepping out of line, but alas
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on July 21, 2013, 06:51:37 pm
Because she had run-ins with the majority of the active staff, except Rajaa, so they decided to punish her in some kind of way since they have a vendetta against her.
You voted to remove her too, that isn't helping. :grrr:

We got some complaints about this post. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1801487) Pretty much everyone on the staff thought it was uncalled for so we were going to give TempesT a message about it until it was pointed out that she used her mod position to delete this post. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1801522) That's not mods are for, deleting non-aggressive replies to you over an argument you started by calling the person "dumb and annoying". We talked it over some more and thought she should be removed.

Yes it's a little weird for me to do the announcing because I've had issues with her over personal attacks before but I'm an admin so sometimes I gotta do things like this. Thankfully, like I suspected:

I don't really care though, I only really stickied and moved topics anyway every other month. Not much moderating to be done.

I'm guessing some of you really don't like the job I'm doing as admin right now. If it helps, Titiln, I've been wanting to be a little stricter on..."shitposters" but have pretty much been overruled every time I suggest banning or permabanning someone. If yall think that things need to be a bit stricter around here, or hell if you think things are too strict, please let us know. God knows I can use some more feedback about my actions. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on July 21, 2013, 07:06:21 pm
Condescending is still passive-aggressive. I don't like C.A.N. and he knows I don't so why would he provoke me further by saying "HUR DUR I LOVE U 2 TEMPEST". It was flamebait and he's an ignorant fucking cunt for doing it. The post is still trashed though, so it must be agreed upon that it was a useless and shitty post. Go figure.

I fucking hate forums because you can't call people who are annoying you dumb and annoying. The only thing worth talking to me about was the deletion of the post not calling him dumb and annoying.

Go call out every mod that's ever called someone stupid/annoying/ignorant if you're going to do this shit to me. Stepping out of bounds has never been calling someone dumb and annoying, look at 90% of staff posts after someone like drewski, pokemonguy or duckss post. It's ridiculous that I was held to a standard that I can't call someone dumb and annoying when they're being dumb and annoying, like really? that is something that I need to be talked to about? Why are the two instances compounded? Why isn't the misuse of my moderation the only thing I needed to be talked to about? Flawless logic, boys.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 21, 2013, 07:16:57 pm
If it helps, Titiln, I've been wanting to be a little stricter on..."shitposters"
not the point. i think people should get verbal warnings before getting banned. at the same time i would expect that the people putting some amount of their free time moderating a part of the forum would get a verbal warning about what they fucked up about instead of instantly being removed like garbage
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on July 21, 2013, 07:21:36 pm
Also for the record, Caddie used his moderating powers to edit/remove posts in the past and was never demodded, actually he got talked to by Iced. The bias is so thick, I'm drowning in it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on July 21, 2013, 07:49:54 pm
MFG Staff is a NO GURLS ALOUD club. You should've known that TempesT, so this is allllllll your fault.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on July 21, 2013, 07:52:32 pm
not the point. i think people should get verbal warnings before getting banned
Absolutely, I'm talking about people who are getting their 3rd or 4th warning about something instead of their first ban. Or people who are getting 2-6 month bans instead of permabans when they are going to wait out their time and come back doing the exact same stuff.

I fucking hate forums because you can't call people who are annoying you dumb and annoying. The only thing worth talking to me about was the deletion of the post not calling him dumb and annoying.

Go call out every mod that's ever called someone stupid/annoying/ignorant if you're going to do this shit to me. Stepping out of bounds has never been calling someone dumb and annoying, look at 90% of staff posts after someone like drewski, pokemonguy or duckss post. It's ridiculous that I was held to a standard that I can't call someone dumb and annoying when they're being dumb and annoying, like really? that is something that I need to be talked to about? Why are the two instances compounded? Why isn't the misuse of my moderation the only thing I needed to be talked to about? Flawless logic, boys.

Fair enough, this forum does have plenty of instances of people being called names, even by staff, but what CANs said really didn't warrant it. If you didn't go along with deleting his reply to you, the kind of warning you would have gotten would have been along the lines of "this isn't really necessary in this situation". You picked a fight with CANs for no real good reason and he didn't fight back. You continued with it even though he showed that it wasn't bugging him and you used your mod power to silence even that. You clearly took it personally as you've shown by this:

Condescending is still passive-aggressive. I don't like C.A.N. and he knows I don't so why would he provoke me further by saying "HUR DUR I LOVE U 2 TEMPEST". It was flamebait and he's an ignorant fucking cunt for doing it. The post is still trashed though, so it must be agreed upon that it was a useless and shitty post. Go figure.

"Why would he provoke me with that? Gonna delete his posts" this isn't something a mod should be doing. How mad would you have been if when you and I had that argument a few months ago, I would have started deleting your posts and continued talking about you? People would have thought I was abusing my power and probably would have wanted me gone if I did that. That's what you did and you've been mod long enough where you know better than to do stuff like that. He wasn't even arguing back with you. And it's not like I can even say "well we removed her because TempesT has a past of that kind of behavior to go along with this" because it would be just like every single other time that someone brings that up. "Oh yeah prove it!" "Well here's some stuff from a few months ago..." "You're so desperate you have to bring up things that happened that long ago!" Over and over again.

And please, even though I'm the one that is here having to defend this, don't think this was all me. If there was a single person on the staff who argued to keep you on I would have had second thoughts and we wouldn't be at this point yet. I thought you weren't angry about this, I didn't think I'd have to type out long boring posts that aren't going to help anything anyway. :-\

Also for the record, Caddie used his moderating powers to edit/remove posts in the past and was never demodded, actually he got talked to by Iced. The bias is so thick, I'm drowning in it.

You mean when I had just gotten my mod position and I edited out a part of Shamrock's post where he was insulting you? Before I even knew what being part of the mod staff was? And I apologized and shown regret for making a mistake like that to this day? That's a completely different situation.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 21, 2013, 08:02:27 pm
Absolutely, I'm talking about people who are getting their 3rd or 4th warning about something instead of their first ban. Or people who are getting 2-6 month bans instead of permabans when they are going to wait out their time and come back doing the exact same stuff.
way to leave out the rest of the quote which had the main point of my post
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You mean when I had just gotten my mod position and I edited out a part of Shamrock's post where he was insulting you? Before I even knew what being part of the mod staff was? And I apologized and shown regret for making a mistake like that to this day? That's a completely different situation.
a completely different situation because you had the chance to make a half assed apology instead of getting instantly removed


the main issues here are:
- nobody in staff had the decency to tell tempest hi you're getting removed because reasons
- nobody considered telling tempest hi you did a bad thing, don't do it again, thanks
- no reason was given for tempest's removal in the staff board, it was only made apparent in this thread

staff is exercising very poor communication. good luck getting other local moderators
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on July 21, 2013, 08:07:01 pm
To be honest I agree with her and Titiln.

In my opinion there's a lot of hostility on MFG in general, PRIMARILY from the staff, and we have a double standard concerning it.  We should either embrace ALL of it or reject ALL of it.  Either encourage people to get thick skin or make everyone stick to the cuddlebox status quo.  JMM and Rajaa say way worse stuff than Tempest did on a daily basis and nobody cares, and maybe nobody SHOULD care, so why is this different?  And for that matter, why is it WRONG to call somebody annoying?  It's not even like she was bombarding CAN's inbox with hateful PMs and saying fuck you and shit. 

And even if you disagree with my prior point, it's really unfair to demod somebody without a warning.  As mentioned by both earlier, you guys let shit posters and people like Doraemirby and Drewski and whothefuckever run rampant flooding the forum with useless, garbage posts and nobody cares at all, they keep getting slaps on the wrist.

I apologize if my post comes across as hostile, I'm just trying to emphasize the point I believe.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on July 21, 2013, 08:22:07 pm
It's pretty obvious the MFG staff has been waiting a while for an excuse to axe TempesT's mod status and now they finally have one.

The real question here is whether or not this is all a conspiracy hatched by Shamrock for everyone to turn on Caddie and then regain power in MFG.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TTTTTsd on July 21, 2013, 08:28:54 pm
[avatar]http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk256/FrankieGuarini/Waluigi.png[/avatar]This falls under my idea of what's going on right now, and it's something I've been hush about, but I suppose now's as good a time as any.

I understand that a staff full of opinionated people of strong belief are going to want to make a decision based not just on factual information, but personal opinion, but that's the root of most of the problems. I believe that, as of right now, there's a general spectrum here. It's almost like a faux importance gauge, where punishment is not given based on what someone does, but rather who it effects and the perceived relevance of the person or people it effects. In other words, did someone do something bad to someone important or someone valued by the community?

If the answer is no, what usually happens is a slap on the wrist if the problem is basic, but if it's yes, the judgement is different. Also falling in line with this, staff opinions on other moderators. I think two things happened here, TempesT went at CAN, someone who the community regularly talks to and goes to advice for, as opposed to someone like Drewski, who is usually ridiculed by the general public, and not behind closed doors either.

To be blunt, I think there's a bit of bias, and it's not like I don't understand it. It's an issue but it's not something that isn't normal or isn't human. But looking at it objectively, it's there. Also the whole not warning TempesT or anything is definitely a large problem, no matter how you look at it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on July 21, 2013, 08:32:45 pm
way to leave out the rest of the quote which had the main point of my post
I feel like I addressed that later on.
a completely different situation because you had the chance to make a half assed apology instead of getting instantly removed
Well there was more to it than that. I was brand new as a mod(and had just come back to the "new" forum with the new rules), TempesT is not. I didn't know what I was doing was wrong because I thought we weren't supposed to let stuff like calling people "retarded dog fuckers" slide on this forum. And what I did wasn't personal, unlike what TempesT did which was completely personal. And I'll have you know my apology and regret for it is completely sincere. >:(

- nobody in staff had the decency to tell tempest hi you're getting removed because reasons
Sure we did. I sent her a pm and explained it. She replied "ok" before I said anything publically.

- nobody considered telling tempest hi you did a bad thing, don't do it again, thanks
Everyone wanted her removed and felt like this was both inappropriate and not the first time. That wasn't explained in public but I didn't think we needed to go into details about it...well I'll explain that next.

- no reason was given for tempest's removal in the staff board, it was only made apparent in this thread
I could have said something about it but I was trying my best not to start problems like this. I didn't say why because I publicly didn't want make it look like she was being punished for something. I figured it would have been worse if I explained it but apparently I made another wrong decision, since she came in here and brought it up herself.

That never really works out. In fact because it's all me here I don't think there was any way to avoid it coming to posts like this. To be fair I tried to get someone else to do it so it wouldn't seem like this is something personal. I saw what TempesT said several days ago and even though I thought that it was uncalled for I didn't say anything about it until we got some complaints about it from other users on this forum, and it was brought to a discussion by another member of this staff.

Ehhhhh

To be honest I agree with her and Titiln.

In my opinion there's a lot of hostility on MFG in general, PRIMARILY from the staff, and we have a double standard concerning it.  We should either embrace ALL of it or reject ALL of it.  Either encourage people to get thick skin or make everyone stick to the cuddlebox status quo.  JMM and Rajaa say way worse stuff than Tempest did on a daily basis and nobody cares, and maybe nobody SHOULD care, so why is this different?  And for that matter, why is it WRONG to call somebody annoying?  It's not even like she was bombarding CAN's inbox with hateful PMs and saying fuck you and shit. 

And even if you disagree with my prior point, it's really unfair to demod somebody without a warning.  As mentioned by both earlier, you guys let shit posters and people like Doraemirby and Drewski and whothefuckever run rampant flooding the forum with useless, garbage posts and nobody cares at all, they keep getting slaps on the wrist.

I apologize if my post comes across as hostile, I'm just trying to emphasize the point I believe.

You don't have to worry about coming off as hostile or expressing your opinions to me. Please share your opinion. Jmorph and Rajaa, as they can tell you, have gotten 'talks' before by the rest of the staff when it feels like they instigated something. When that has happened before, however, they haven't started deleting peoples replies to them yet. I disagree about two points you've made at the top of that. One "PRIMARILY from the staff" suggesting that the staff is the cause of majority of the hostility on the board. Two, rejecting or embracing all hostility. It has to be in context. If someone is arguing with someone and it leads to hostility, it is a different situation than someone creating a one side hostility from seemingly nothing. The difference is a heated argument versus starting arguments from nothing through insults. I think the first one should be allowed, to a degree, while the second one should be called out on.

I think two things happened here, TempesT went at CAN, someone who the community regularly talks to and goes to advice for, as opposed to someone like Drewski, who is usually ridiculed by the general public, and not behind closed doors either.

This is completely untrue as it would not have effected my opinions on this in any way whatsoever, assuming Drewski would have replied the same exact way CAN did.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TTTTTsd on July 21, 2013, 08:35:01 pm
[avatar]http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk256/FrankieGuarini/Waluigi.png[/avatar]When speaking of the staff, I do not isolate the problem to a single person, let alone point fingers. It's just a normal error, and as I said, it's human and hard to completely avoid. It will never not be present, the idea is quantity. It's not a single person, and it's not anyone currently, but it usually happens, and it's been in increased frequency as of late.

If I may cite a case study, a conflict arose between a moderator and I, and we got in a bit of a spat, but it was resolved. This is identical in principle, but much smaller and a lot less insulting, yet the results of this are far more severe.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on July 21, 2013, 08:39:59 pm
I was under the impression that Tempest was messaged and she responded "OK." I guess Caddie forged that message.

All of this staff is "hostile and bias" stuff is silly, especially considering the former is outright false and the latter is false because Duckass is not banned yet. Why is Duckass not banned yet.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on July 21, 2013, 08:44:39 pm
Kong: I see the point you're trying to make. I don't think it had any effect on this situation or would have. I do see situations where it does though. Usually it has more to do with discipline in regards to people who contribute more to the forum. I'm not like that usually but I do understand where staff that feel that way are, caring about the future contributions to this forum over handing out spankings.

I prefer to hand out spankings.

Rajaa: Nah the messaging stuff was legit but Titiln probably didn't know about that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 21, 2013, 08:46:38 pm
sorry i wasn't aware of the private message exchange, i'll make sure to hack into the involved accounts and check their inboxes before making assumptions again. jesus fucking christ

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Everyone wanted her removed and felt like this was both inappropriate and not the first time.
what previous times, did anyone tell her to not do that after those previous times
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TTTTTsd on July 21, 2013, 08:48:43 pm
[avatar]http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk256/FrankieGuarini/Waluigi.png[/avatar]I completely understand. I just felt the need to bring it up at some point and I guess now was as good a time as any. It's not of extremely large importance. This is a forum staff, not a government, and as I am not paying you to do your jobs, I can't really concretely demand anything more than what I already do.

I just wish the the idea of contribution weighting was ditched altogether for most circumstances(not counting spammers or people like DuckAss, that's a given.)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on July 21, 2013, 09:17:50 pm
Titiln: Well you did assume that no one told her and you based that on nothing. I explained that though a few posts back so I assume you're replying to Rajaa. You know I wouldn't blame you for not knowing or anything.

what previous times, did anyone tell her to not do that after those previous times

And it's not like I can even say "well we removed her because TempesT has a past of that kind of behavior to go along with this" because it would be just like every single other time that someone brings that up. "Oh yeah prove it!" "Well here's some stuff from a few months ago..." "You're so desperate you have to bring up things that happened that long ago!" Over and over again..

Please don't pretend TempesT has never had behavior like this before, and has never been talked about it before, because I really don't wanna go digging through old shit just to prove a point that you know is true. And no I'm not referring to anything that happened with me. I'm reading a thread in private, right now, about her being warned for the same exact kind of behavior, including deleting peoples posts. The same exact shit. It took me 20 seconds to find it. Oh but it's old so I'm grasping for straws.

That's not to say that I'm going to hold someone accountable forever for stuff they did years ago. Where would I be if people did that to me? What I'm saying is I have evidence that she's done this before and has been warned about it without even trying to look through more recent stuff. If you think that's ridiculous I'm sorry but I didn't think I'd need more than having the rest of the staff agree that she has, and has had, aggressive behavior in the past. And also that she should be removed. I didn't think I'd need to provide anything more than that.

Edit: I could always word it like this. "She's been warned about this kind of stuff for yeeeeaaars".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 21, 2013, 09:38:20 pm
ok with the removal, just so you know not everybody is against it.

I just wish the the idea of contribution weighting was ditched altogether for most circumstances(not counting spammers or people like DuckAss, that's a given.)
that would be bad for the comunity, since the focus of this comunity is not to hang around and have fun times, but to create and enjoy mugen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on July 21, 2013, 09:41:32 pm
I don't know what to say about any of this. I really didn't think I'd wind up instigating something like this.

* C.A.N goes back into hiding *
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on July 21, 2013, 10:16:52 pm
Now I remember about that when I read it again, and I found it out of place, especially because wasn't the intention of CAN being rude, sarcastic or something. And now I wonder why she never deleted my "hey, you used to be nice before" catchphrases before, considering I'm not Tempest's favourite user either...

So yeah, Guild staff in general (admins, golbal mods, local mods) should be an example for the rest of the users and don't abuse of the powers they got just because someone post something out of place answering rude and deleting post doesn't like the mod/admin at issue. Resuming, what [E] said:
ok with the removal, just so you know not everybody is against it.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on July 21, 2013, 10:35:15 pm
Wasn't the "you used to be nice" post in the off topic board?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on July 21, 2013, 10:43:59 pm
Also I think her behavior is irrelevant as long as she's not abusing her power.  Staff aren't here to be nice, they're here to do their jobs.  We've had much harsher staff styles before with Titiln and Rajaa and JMM who were always pretty blunt and rough but never got their status taken from them.  I don't think this should be an exception.  As long as said staff member isn't going out of their way to disrespect users and is good at their job, what's the problem? 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on July 21, 2013, 11:03:07 pm
I know all of that better, I should be banned by KFM years ago when I insulted him back (after he abused of his power, dark times) with the "MUGEN dinosaur" stuff (may some of here can remember that, I don't know) in the times he was a Guild admin. The catchphrase I used was is because when I know her in my first years here she was nice (seriously, not joking) like other girl users as Maria Azul, nothing compared as how she is now

Wasn't the "you used to be nice" post in the off topic board?
Yeah, but I think I use that in other parts apart of Off-Topic subforum, I'm not sure. But I did it just to soft the things, not in a sarcastic way or for bother her. Probably CAN do the same thing with his "I love U 2" post, which it was deleted without a reason... that's why I asked why she didn't do the same with my posts :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 22, 2013, 01:39:20 am
yes i meant rajaa's snarky post that assumed i should've been aware of a private message exchange

"Well here's some stuff from a few months ago..." "You're so desperate you have to bring up things that happened that long ago!" Over and over again..
you're being dense and equating me asking for previous instances of someone deleting posts to you bringing up tempest saying you look like a crack addict over a year ago and getting ridiculed for bringing up something so petty. they're extremely different things
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Please don't pretend TempesT has never had behavior like this before, and has never been talked about it before
why the fuck should i remember any of that. i don't have a spreadsheet keeping track of every moderator fuckup. you're not being very helpful or linking to any relevant posts in staff for people to look at and say Yeah she's a bad mod!! Good job removing her she's atrocious!!! but don't worry because my care level for this issue has decreased considerably


i think this issue goes to show that local moderators are a bad idea since their options are decidedly crippled compared to a global moderator. a gmod tempest would've been able to split off CAN's cutesy horseshit to the shit thread, but to keep a thread clean from stupid posts there's not much of a choice there. a gmod tempest would've been able to easily bring this up in the staff board and ask for advice. a gmod tempest could have restored the post from the recycle bin if need be. a gmod tempest would be able to address fighting game board reports. i could go on. local moderators have too many downsides.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on July 22, 2013, 01:50:48 am
I can't link you to them because it's in a section of the site you don't have access to. I can give you a quote though.

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Titiln, vans, you two need to keep her under check, because since my last dealing with her I rather not deal with her, im afraid I would be biased since we did not part well.

You've directly dealt with her doing the same thing before, when you were an admin, and just today you asked me if she's ever been warned for it before. I don't blame you for not remembering though, it was a while back and probably pretty obscure.

you're being dense and equating me asking for previous instances of someone deleting posts to you bringing up tempest saying you look like a crack addict over a year ago and getting ridiculed for bringing up something so petty. they're extremely different things

That's not what I was referring to. Anytime TempesT(and a few others) having an "aggressive" past is brought up, that conversation happens. It happens every few months. I wasn't going to fall for it again. That because I don't keep a txt file with all the times something happens handy now I gotta go shifting through posts. And when I find one "oh that's from a long time ago it doesn't count". And everyone pretends that they don't remember it happening over and over again. That has happened multiple times and I'm not doing it this time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 22, 2013, 02:04:01 am
i don't remember what the issue with her was at that point, the last time i was administrator was well over a year ago (april 2012). if that's the last time she was warned i would think that's a pretty significant gap from current day and it would warrant another verbal warning instead of outright removal. it's not exactly recent. i would hope there's a more recent instance of tempest's horrible power abuse than this. i mean you did say you wouldn't hold someone accountable for shit that happened years ago and yet the example you bring up is at least over a year old. sorry.

feel free to address the other half of my post since it's very relevant to the forum
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 22, 2013, 02:06:14 am
TempesT lost her GModship because of her attitude. Because it's not uncommon and pops up again every few months/years. It's not like she was instantly demoded and banned like some forum staff in the past. Everyone that replied in the staff section agreed to just remove her mod status.

And yes, getting into arguments with fellow staff can lead to no one wanting to step up and defend her in that section. It's called burning bridges.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on July 22, 2013, 02:18:05 am
i don't remember what the issue with her was at that point, the last time i was administrator was well over a year ago (april 2012). if that's the last time she was warned i would think that's a pretty significant gap from current day and it would warrant another verbal warning instead of outright removal. it's not exactly recent. i would hope there's a more recent instance of tempest's horrible power abuse than this. i mean you did say you wouldn't hold someone accountable for shit that happened years ago and yet the example you bring up is at least over a year old. sorry.

feel free to address the other half of my post since it's very relevant to the forum

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhh there it is. I said that this is exactly what was going to happen, with you pretending this hasn't been a problem for years and now wanting me to shift through posts for examples. Even though you've dealt with these exact issues that TempesT was removed from personally before. Since you don't remember it, she was insulting people, calling them names and saying they don't know what they're talking about, and deleting their posts when they replied to her.

I'm sorry, I'm not going to do it. Because nothing I could show you would even be good enough for you. Why should I even bother, the rest of the staff agrees with what's been done. Just like JNP said. I've explained myself, I've pointed out stuff you've been misinformed about, and I've shown examples supporting my reasons for doing this and that's all you're getting from me. Not me wasting my time looking for examples that you won't even accept.

I'll deal with the staff stuff in a different topic at a different time, with the rest of the staff. I was going to set up the new staff today but I didn't account for having to deal with this stuff all day.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 22, 2013, 04:30:23 am

i think this issue goes to show that local moderators are a bad idea since their options are decidedly crippled compared to a global moderator. a gmod tempest would've been able to split off CAN's cutesy horseshit to the shit thread, but to keep a thread clean from stupid posts there's not much of a choice there. a gmod tempest would've been able to easily bring this up in the staff board and ask for advice. a gmod tempest could have restored the post from the recycle bin if need be. a gmod tempest would be able to address fighting game board reports. i could go on. local moderators have too many downsides.
yeah, back then it was agreed that local moderators was a bad idea and they should only be used to test people if they were up to the job of moderating so either they became gmods after 3-6 months or just got demoded.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on July 22, 2013, 04:57:00 am
like other girl users as Maria Azul, nothing compared as how she is now
please don't compare gas station nachos with filet mignon

also:
- caddies does nothing: get's called useless
- caddie goes and do something: gets called incompetent and stupid

being caddie is suffering :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DMK on July 22, 2013, 06:03:03 am
Not to stir shit, but seeing as something about local mods are messed up, any chance we can see reported post in our unread replies? Its been years since I was a Gmod, but I'm sure reports showed up like that. I've asked before a few times, but rarely does anything bad get posted or bad post themselves show up in Gaming anyways so I've not repeated it much. Just asking for the heck of it.  :_blank:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 22, 2013, 06:56:31 am
Ughhhhhhhhhhhhh there it is. I said that this is exactly what was going to happen, with you pretending this hasn't been a problem for years and now wanting me to shift through posts for examples. Even though you've dealt with these exact issues that TempesT was removed from personally before. Since you don't remember it, she was insulting people, calling them names and saying they don't know what they're talking about, and deleting their posts when they replied to her.

I'm sorry, I'm not going to do it. Because nothing I could show you would even be good enough for you. Why should I even bother, the rest of the staff agrees with what's been done. Just like JNP said. I've explained myself, I've pointed out stuff you've been misinformed about, and I've shown examples supporting my reasons for doing this and that's all you're getting from me. Not me wasting my time looking for examples that you won't even accept.
dude, i don't remember the exact dates or events offhand. i'm not saying it never happened, it very well could have. the example you brought up (conveniently with no timestamps) is from the times in which i was administrator, which is clearly over a year ago. there's a conversation in my inbox involving iced, me, vans and seanaltly complaining about tempest and that's from august 2010. it's obvious i remember all the details of what happened, but i'm pretending i don't for the sake of my argument. right. you got me.

i'd consider, i don't know, something from less than six months ago valid, but using an example that far off is fucking ridiculous, just like expecting me to clearly remember a minor event in an internet forum from 2010. i'll just assume something more recent happened, but the fact that you think something from fucking 2010 should account for current day at all is absurd and makes me hope you won't reach that far back when it comes to future decisions
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on July 22, 2013, 07:29:10 am
Titiln do you think we, that being I and the rest of the staff the unanimously agrees with me on this issue as far as I know, made the wrong decision? If so, where did it happen, at the actual decision or the procedural process? And on what level? Should we have gathered more evidence to support what we all pretty much agreed on?

Also, do you believe behavior warnings should have a time lapse, and no consequence after that time lapse other than another warning? Even if it's a repeating behavior? I take it that if you do you think it's 6 months or so. Getting your direct opinion on these issues is, in my opinion, a way better way to go forward on this. If you're willing to give your opinion on this, please also address what you think of a mod who has in the past started arguments and deleted the replies, and what to do if they do it again after some time passes. What would you have done in this situation, knowing everything that I've said so far.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on July 26, 2013, 01:16:52 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1804495
I think he is Custom Soul.

1.
The first post of "A Ghost of Dan" mentioned Soul Calibur -> Custom Soul, before he changed his attitude to Dan Hibiki roleplaying, had written "my heart belongs to Soul Calibur" or something among those lines.
2.
He comments on others grammar while his is not always correct -> Custom Soul did the same thing with DuckSS.
3.
The already mentioned "knowledge" of fighting games, together with the "my character will have this and that" comments, common in the two accounts' posts.
4.
Dan, again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on July 26, 2013, 08:05:46 pm
I agree, the reference is too obvious to be passed. Also, he could can post since another PC to avoid get the same IP and then don't be confused with his previous alter-ego
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on July 27, 2013, 05:46:06 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/your-releases-mugen-1-0-re-chiaotzu-arcade-style-152436.0.html

He is abusing the report section for unknown reasons.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on July 27, 2013, 06:13:47 pm
You double posted, though I wouldn't know if that's what he wanted to point out.
... Oh wait, that's from 3 months ago.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on July 27, 2013, 06:39:17 pm
I really don't remember about that, I thought I posted that only once. I'll delete it now.

No way! I deleted it and it deleted the other too!
Anyway, I edited one of the posts there with the same content.

...

It wasn't a double post! :(
I knew it. If you check my post history at page 35, you'll see there aren't two post but just one.
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1749504   -> deleted post

Can someone please move the trashed post in the topic it comes from? I don't want to delete one of my posts without a reason (I tested a thing but "both" went deleted) and there was definitely no reason for the post to be reported.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 11, 2013, 06:32:16 am
Since nobody else has replied to jmorphman's , yeah, guy shoudl get temp banned. the last thing we want to do in this forum is discourage people from creating mugen stuff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on August 11, 2013, 08:09:06 am
More on that front overall would be good. Putting someone down for a dumb post is unecessary.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on August 11, 2013, 08:39:25 am
He hardly posts so I'm not sure like he'll continue to post here again, hopefully he learned his lesson. He's been having a complex lately so he might be a dick again tomorrow for no reason other than to try and prove a point. People have said worse things here, I don't think a ban is in need just yet.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 11, 2013, 09:21:41 am
If it were anything else besides discouraging a new user, it wouldn't warrant a ban. But it was, and it does.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 11, 2013, 05:13:19 pm
what makes him worse than the usual shithead is that he actually thinks he's being nice and polite
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 12, 2013, 12:18:22 am
yah, he's too edgy, implying he is holding back, seen a lot of those overtime, they either get banned, dissapear by themselves or
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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 13, 2013, 12:47:32 am
Do me a favor and stop doing that please, [e]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GDM on August 14, 2013, 02:21:01 pm
I will admit that I was in the wrong for what I did and try to be more positive in feedbacks
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 14, 2013, 03:16:43 pm
Thank you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on August 16, 2013, 03:01:32 pm
So a tongue-in-cheek joke about how I was "harassing" someone with feedback is a bannable offense now, even when the video had nothing to do with what was going on prior aside from providing feedback, which I did?

Besides, I've already changed the title but 3 days just for that? No warning or anything, just straight up ban?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on August 16, 2013, 04:20:50 pm
I think this should have been discussed further by PM or openly. Previous warning saying "this is considered harrassment, please change avy and attitude in one/two days, or face the consequences".

Looks like very little attempts were tried to sort things out before taking action.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 16, 2013, 05:14:25 pm
Looks like there were no attempts to actually. :disappointed:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on August 16, 2013, 05:24:55 pm
Looks like there were no attempts to actually. :disappointed:

Exactly. And quite honestly, people have done the exact same thing as the original title, and even worse than that, and gotten away with just warnings. Hell, even the staff themselves do it from time to time whenever the shit thread gets renamed (specifically referring to doraemariby, even though that issue has been resolved). Heck, even the situation with Zeroz and SeanAltly was worse than this, and even after the staff decided Sean was the one responsible, he too got away with a ban. Nowhere did I ever try to actively get Seravy to quit mugen. Hell I even stated that I thought he had potential, and that he just needed to be steered in the right direction so he could fully utilize said potential, but he somehow got insulted by that. So how exactly am I suddenly this poison to the community that warrants an exemption from the "lets be less trigger-happy" attitude the staff were discussing a few months back?

Had one of the staff intervened, as I know they're capable of doing because I've been Jmorph do it before in other threads where situations started to get out of hand, and told me to stop I would have easily complied and this situation could have been avoided. But jumping straight to discussing a ban is just unprofessional imo.

Edit: For the record, Seravy gloating about his "victory" that hasnt even happened yet on his site is also pretty childish:
Quote
-Anyone from Guild can still provide feedback by posting a comment here, or sending a mail.
-Anyone else can also do so, and now that RicePigeon probably won’t do it anymore, I hope more people will.
Not that anything of effect can be done since he decided to leave this place (which I probably will too depending on how this whole thing turns out) but I thought it should be worth mentioning that he's not exactly innocent either.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Answer on August 16, 2013, 05:38:28 pm
With what happened regarding Tomo's Videl and Seravy with feedback I feel as if giving feedback to some authors is now completely pointless.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 16, 2013, 05:47:34 pm
This is why I feel we should allow users to delete replies to their release threads. I've mentioned this before but I just get the whole "They should toughen up and use it or ignore it!"

And when they don't then it puts all the responsibility on the person giving feedback to walk on eggshells or not reply at all. In a perfect world one of these 2 users would understand this.

There's no reason to force topic starters to accept feedback. And if they delete feedback they don't like then it will help the snowball effect of harassment. Granted some won't always delete said feedback and will allow the drama to escalate. But at that point it would be their choice.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Answer on August 16, 2013, 05:52:40 pm
JNP I can see that going so wrong though.

"wow X deleted my feedback what a baby" and would only increase the drama. Btw isn't there a blocking system for this forum maybe that can help.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on August 16, 2013, 05:54:11 pm
There is a blocking system.
It just doesn't work well whatsoever since when I've used it I could still see their posts.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 16, 2013, 06:09:28 pm
If someone persists after having their posts deleted by the topic starter then they would need to be moderated. That's a lot easier to see and moderate than for this snowball effect where certain users get punished while others do not.

Would be even better if we could implement a mod that allowed users in the release board to ban users from their threads. (posting only)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on August 16, 2013, 06:13:50 pm
That just opens up a can of worms though....

I get how it could be a good thing, but with the petty squabbles that happen on occasion it could just lead to some unwanted consequences.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Answer on August 16, 2013, 06:19:22 pm
Plus it can discourage users from giving feedback I mean whats the point of giving feedback if it will just be deleted.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 16, 2013, 06:24:36 pm
@Roman55:

So does the current method where we just wait for issues to be reported. I think the can of worms would be much smaller than the one we have now where it's no holds barred till it's too late then someone leaves and people get banned for contributing to something they see everyone else doing.

If you are suggesting that someone that is banned from a thread would harass that user everywhere else because of it then said harasser would be easy pickings for a warning/banning and it shouldn't get as far as this did.

@The Answer:
That's the point. Eventually the releaser wouldn't get much feedback anymore because people would figure their feedback would just get deleted.
I figure very few people would use this. Just the ones that don't take feedback well.

I just say this because it tends to work well in the comic communities I've been a part of. It's the same difference. And a lot of comic artists are a LOT more delete happy than most MUGEN developers.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GDM on August 16, 2013, 06:26:50 pm
regardless deleting feedback comments is just arrogant
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 16, 2013, 06:29:06 pm
But it's fine to keep agitating the releaser?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on August 16, 2013, 06:31:33 pm
regardless deleting feedback comments is just arrogant

Its more like cleaning the room after someone shit in it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Answer on August 16, 2013, 06:36:36 pm
I know that's the point its just that the feedback giver will end up not wanting to give feedback to anyone at all because he/she may think "wow they deleted my feedback I guess I just won't give feedback at all then".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 16, 2013, 06:41:45 pm
I don't think most people would react that way. That would be a bit silly to react like that to one person deleting your feedback. Most people would just ignore that person.

Deviant Art and comic communities are done the same way and people still give lots of feedback in those communities.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mgbenz on August 16, 2013, 06:47:39 pm
Honestly, that idea is all kinds of stupid. There are people who hate getting feedback and they will delete everything in their topics and leave all the cool chars. +1 posts.

Why not just leave the deletion of harassing comments to the mods? That's their job.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 16, 2013, 06:51:24 pm
Because no one reports the posts so the mods think they must be ok with it or they don't see the thread because they don't read every post on the board.

Quote
There are people who hate getting feedback and they will delete everything in their topics and leave all the cool chars. +1 posts.
:woeh:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GDM on August 16, 2013, 07:28:39 pm
But it's fine to keep agitating the releaser?
that is not what I'm saying I meant in general
Its more like cleaning the room after someone shit in it.

it depends on the user
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on August 16, 2013, 09:00:56 pm
With what happened regarding Tomo's Videl and Seravy with feedback I feel as if giving feedback to some authors is now completely pointless.

I thought people learned that about Seravy a long time ago. Dude admitted to never playing non-Touhou fighting games and his lack of interest in them a year or two ago. He has no interest in making a "fair" fighting game character and never will. I'd understand if new users or the old shitposting crew didn't know about it, but RicePigeon? I thought he'd know better.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 16, 2013, 09:04:48 pm
Ricepigeon, after all that crap making a video named harassment avi was for what purpose? Are you going to tell me that it wasnt to bait him?  What other objective could you have expected man? "OH LOOK AT ME IM HARASSING YOU" after posting this:
Random email from a Seravy fanboy said:
The way you treated Seravy in that video, you must think you're tough shit huh? Just because you decided to quit mugen, Seravy did you a favor and updated the character, and you repay him by shitting all over his efforts you ungrateful little prick? This Mima was an awesome character, as usual. Best Mima I’ve played, despite what you and the rest of the haters on mugen guild are saying. I'd like to see you try to make something of quality compared to what Seravy can do.

Ah, the white knights...

In reference to This Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pcc9H13-eQ), btw.


What other reason was there to bait him like that?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on August 16, 2013, 09:06:11 pm
Maybe I'm just paranoid, but most of the times whenever he (RP) posts a found release topic it's usually of a certain....class of character.  Again I might just be paranoid but it comes across as trying to bait flaming or wtfever. 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on August 16, 2013, 09:20:58 pm
Random email from a Seravy fanboy said:
The way you treated Seravy in that video, you must think you're tough shit huh? Just because you decided to quit mugen, Seravy did you a favor and updated the character, and you repay him by shitting all over his efforts you ungrateful little prick? This Mima was an awesome character, as usual. Best Mima I’ve played, despite what you and the rest of the haters on mugen guild are saying. I'd like to see you try to make something of quality compared to what Seravy can do.

Ah, the white knights...

In reference to This Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pcc9H13-eQ), btw.


What other reason was there to bait him like that?
Not sure how this quote was bait exactly since it wasn't aimed at him directly unless it's the title of the video (like Harassment.avi), but then again there's been worse than said video titles.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GDM on August 16, 2013, 09:25:02 pm
people tend to overreact over such simple matters or take it the wrong way it can have a bad effect towards people 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on August 16, 2013, 09:27:52 pm
I can't understand you people, RP made this kind of videos since he has a YT account (and I say years ago), just like Orochi Gill, Shwa, Arpa and other Guild users to show the flaws of the characters they test, and in much cases creators can improve of see the flaws, no matter the text they use for them. But in this case, he was banned for 3 days without a reason or a PM (not all users can read Staff Discussion forum as you can think).

I mean, if these videos are offensive to creators in the forum, why recently now are you people banning users (even for 3 days) for the videos instead doing this years ago?? Why now and not in the past?? Should I be banned for make a video about Seravy's cheapness or Wlanmaniax's wannabe chars and post them in the forum??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 16, 2013, 09:41:17 pm
Basara, the issue wasn't the video. It was the name of the video titled "Harassment".

That's not something decent ppl do to give feedback to someone that is clearly agitated.

However it isn't worthy of a ban either. Just a warning. After this crapstorm he more than likely learned his lesson.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on August 16, 2013, 09:47:26 pm
Ricepigeon, after all that crap making a video named harassment avi was for what purpose? Are you going to tell me that it wasnt to bait him?  What other objective could you have expected man? "OH LOOK AT ME IM HARASSING YOU" after posting this:

What other reason was there to bait him like that?

If you're referring to the quote, how is that baiting Seravy? It was an email that I got relating to the incident from a 3rd party, all I did was make it public. I'm not holding Seravy responsible for something that an overzealous fan of his did, most likely without his knowledge or consent, if that's what you were thinking.

As for the second video I've already gave my reasons behind it and I still think it was something that was blown out of proportion. But in case I didn't make it clear:

The video's original title was in reference to one of Seravy's rants on his site where he was equating my feedback to his characters as harassment, specifically the one about the fullscreen super. The video's purpose was feedback on another of his character showing off an infinite, with the title referencing his little blurb on his site, something that numerous people on guild have gotten away with before. I thought it was something relatively harmless given that context, but apparently you don't seem to think so regardless of what I say.


Maybe I'm just paranoid, but most of the times whenever he (RP) posts a found release topic it's usually of a certain....class of character.  Again I might just be paranoid but it comes across as trying to bait flaming or wtfever. 

Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I get the feeling that you brought up something irrelevant and twisted/misinterpreted it into something to be used against my case. I see a release on another board that's not yet posted in the found releases here. That's not against the rules last time I checked.

MAYBE I'm being baited into losing my cool so my ban could be extended like others before me. But needless to say I'm disappointed you'd try something like this.

Basara, the issue wasn't the video. It was the name of the video titled "Harassment".

That's not something decent ppl do to give feedback to someone that is clearly agitated.

However it isn't worthy of a ban either. Just a warning. After this crapstorm he more than likely learned his lesson.

Pretty much this. I'll admit maybe I did go a bit overboard with the title but I still think it was something that was relatively harmless. I have to be frank but this gives off the impression that Guild's staff is going to start policing people's videos and shit now, which is something I would expect from someone like volzilla. Yes, I did post it here but the impression still stands.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Darkflare on August 16, 2013, 09:51:29 pm
Honestly, only reason Rice used that title in the first place was due to Seravy taking a potshot at him first.

I'm going to agree with the guys here, people have been left off with worse. I could understand if someone is particularly known to be a troublemaker, but I don't recall Rice being lumped in with that kind of people before until now, so why go straight to the ban then?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on August 16, 2013, 09:54:25 pm
I could understand if someone is particularly known to be a troublemaker, but I don't recall Rice being lumped in with that kind of people before until now, so why go straight to the ban then?

This. This is mostly why I'm pissed off at the situation right now. The fact that 3 members of the staff are in favor of the ban, including an admin, seem to be giving off the impression that I'm being singled out for some reason.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 16, 2013, 10:05:53 pm
It was the name of the video titled "Harassment".
It's called a banter. It's not baiting, it's mocking. Lighten up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on August 16, 2013, 10:10:28 pm
Even with the video called "harassment" isn´t that big of a problem IMO. Of course it caused Seravy to leave the forum (along with the other comments & stuff) we know Seravy is quite... delicate regarding feedback. I think this just deserves an arm twist (aka a good warning) but not a ban. I´ve seen way worse.

Ok, how Volzilla managed to hijack Iced´s profile?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on August 16, 2013, 10:11:58 pm
Ya'll are gonna ban someone over a video? For fuck's sake seriously?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GDM on August 16, 2013, 10:13:14 pm
This. This is mostly why I'm pissed off at the situation right now. The fact that 3 members of the staff are in favor of the ban, including an admin, seem to be giving off the impression that I'm being singled out for some reason.

they did the same thing to me when they banned me a few days ago but its not being singled out its all in your head just let the storm pass
Ya'll are gonna ban someone over a video? For fuck's sake seriously?

 banworthy no overreacting yes
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on August 16, 2013, 10:18:43 pm
is there a reason guild is slowly turning into mmv? Since when are we not allowed to "mock" people when its an inside joke to the person ect? it's not rices fault seravy left seravy always was kind of a jerk when it came to taking feedback when he said he wanted it. The idea of guild is supposed to be freedom of speech we are allowed to state whats wrong with something and not fear being banned for it. We are allowed to post our opinion and not fear ect. Why is guild now trying to take that away, rice did like nothing wrong you are freaking out over a title of a video a 1 word title!

I think you guys need to seriously think about how you are deciding to handle things if you seriously want to ban rice for this.

this also applies to the feedback thing regarding hyogo. everything done for the past couple of days mostly has seemed like mmv bullshit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on August 16, 2013, 10:21:37 pm
Ya'll are gonna ban someone over a video? For fuck's sake seriously?
Really more like over a video title.

Ok, how Volzilla managed to hijack Iced´s profile?
Speak not the name of the dreaded beast.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Warden-San on August 16, 2013, 10:21:58 pm
I too feel that ban was a knee-jerk reaction with no research into the situation whatsoever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on August 16, 2013, 10:27:31 pm
is there a reason guild is slowly turning into mmv? Since when are we not allowed to "mock" people when its an inside joke to the person ect? it's not rices fault seravy left seravy always was kind of a jerk when it came to taking feedback when he said he wanted it. The idea of guild is supposed to be freedom of speech we are allowed to state whats wrong with something and not fear being banned for it. We are allowed to post our opinion and not fear ect. Why is guild now trying to take that away, rice did like nothing wrong you are freaking out over a title of a video a 1 word title!

You´re paranoid with MMV & stuff. Doubt it will reach that level of "dictatorship".

Speak not the name of the dreaded beast.

Never again.

Now, why do I have the feeling this banning situation is happening just because the video is called "harassment"?? With no investigation in the case beforehand.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on August 16, 2013, 10:29:11 pm
oh its not THAT bad yet but its getting there hence why I said "slowly turning into mmv"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GDM on August 16, 2013, 10:34:10 pm
whatever happens happens bottom line is this small problem is getting way out of hand
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Darkflare on August 16, 2013, 10:36:15 pm
Ok, I seriously doubt guild will turn into another MMV. You have to be quite...."special" to reach that kind of level.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on August 16, 2013, 10:37:32 pm
I doubt it to but they are starting to think in that direction... which is bad.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 16, 2013, 10:37:55 pm
"slowly turning into mmv" is a fucking ridiculous claim. you have a thread here in which people can air their grievances about the forum and staff decisions. anyone that dared question mmv staff would be instantly banned
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on August 16, 2013, 10:39:24 pm
yeah true but the actions are starting to reach that point I don't understand. Why are the mods removing things and punishing ppl for not doing anything wrong? For the most part mfg staff has been well fair and actually made mostly good decisions on this, lately its not seeming the case.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Darkflare on August 16, 2013, 10:42:08 pm
You're getting too paranoid.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on August 16, 2013, 10:43:47 pm
perhaps I am but some of the stuff done lately was definitely not the right course of action. Also if rice is banned for this, that is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 16, 2013, 11:22:53 pm
Ricepigeon, after all that crap making a video named harassment avi was for what purpose? Are you going to tell me that it wasnt to bait him?  What other objective could you have expected man? "OH LOOK AT ME IM HARASSING YOU" after posting this:

What other reason was there to bait him like that?

If you're referring to the quote, how is that baiting Seravy? It was an email that I got relating to the incident from a 3rd party, all I did was make it public. I'm not holding Seravy responsible for something that an overzealous fan of his did, most likely without his knowledge or consent, if that's what you were thinking.

As for the second video I've already gave my reasons behind it and I still think it was something that was blown out of proportion. But in case I didn't make it clear:

The video's original title was in reference to one of Seravy's rants on his site where he was equating my feedback to his characters as harassment, specifically the one about the fullscreen super. The video's purpose was feedback on another of his character showing off an infinite, with the title referencing his little blurb on his site, something that numerous people on guild have gotten away with before. I thought it was something relatively harmless given that context, but apparently you don't seem to think so regardless of what I say.


Maybe I'm just paranoid, but most of the times whenever he (RP) posts a found release topic it's usually of a certain....class of character.  Again I might just be paranoid but it comes across as trying to bait flaming or wtfever. 

Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I get the feeling that you brought up something irrelevant and twisted/misinterpreted it into something to be used against my case. I see a release on another board that's not yet posted in the found releases here. That's not against the rules last time I checked.

MAYBE I'm being baited into losing my cool so my ban could be extended like others before me. But needless to say I'm disappointed you'd try something like this.

Basara, the issue wasn't the video. It was the name of the video titled "Harassment".

That's not something decent ppl do to give feedback to someone that is clearly agitated.

However it isn't worthy of a ban either. Just a warning. After this crapstorm he more than likely learned his lesson.

Pretty much this. I'll admit maybe I did go a bit overboard with the title but I still think it was something that was relatively harmless. I have to be frank but this gives off the impression that Guild's staff is going to start policing people's videos and shit now, which is something I would expect from someone like volzilla. Yes, I did post it here but the impression still stands.

you are throwing yourself up at the walls instead of simply telling me what purpose could you expect of calling a feedback video harassment.avi when replying to someone that complained about being harassed.

Explain me how that wasnt a poke trying to get on his nerves when you yourself admitted it was based on a complaint he had about your feedback.


or you could keep overreacting and trying to claim you are being policed just because you are being asked that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 16, 2013, 11:28:09 pm
No one has been banned yet. (besides that dude who is almost certainly Custom Soul, but that doesn't count!) Everyone is still discussing things. I myself am still wavering back and forth on the issue! Discussion is good!

Comparing this whole brouhaha to MMV is absolutely ludicrous.

Had one of the staff intervened, as I know they're capable of doing because I've been Jmorph do it before in other threads where situations started to get out of hand, and told me to stop I would have easily complied and this situation could have been avoided. But jumping straight to discussing a ban is just unprofessional imo.
By the time any of us noticed it (and it was due only to the fact that the thread was locked), it was too late.

Edit: For the record, Seravy gloating about his "victory" that hasnt even happened yet on his site is also pretty childish:
It is pretty dang childish, but who cares? Let him be childish and silly about fullscreen moves. As long as he isn't hurting anyone, it doesn't really matter.

With what happened regarding Tomo's Videl and Seravy with feedback I feel as if giving feedback to some authors is now completely pointless.
You can't be serious.

Videl has ONE, ONE piece of valid feedback. The rest was just whinging about how Tomo never listened to feedback. Seravy's thread had very useful feedback, and everything was pretty fine until that video.

There is no need to walk on eggshells or lament the death of feedback. It is so, so simple to leave feedback without being a douche; it's very easy to support why you think move x should behave like y as opposed to it currently behaving like z without being obnoxious. Leaving feedback doesn't give you carte blanche to act like a damn fool.

Since when are we not allowed to "mock" people when its an inside joke to the person ect? it's not rices fault seravy left seravy always was kind of a jerk when it came to taking feedback when he said he wanted it.
Since always, at least in the release section. There is a very clear and distinct line between what is reasonable and what is not. Joking around with an author is good. Titling a video "harassment" is not. This is exceedingly obvious. Whether Seravy was being a jerk or not is completely irrelevant.

this also applies to the feedback thing regarding hyogo. everything done for the past couple of days mostly has seemed like mmv bullshit.
Hyogo's first post in that thread consisted entirely of "you're a jerk because you don't listen to my feedback, so this character probably sux"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on August 16, 2013, 11:33:46 pm
This is why I feel we should allow users to delete replies to their release threads. I've mentioned this before but I just get the whole "They should toughen up and use it or ignore it!"
Nah that wouldn't go well. We have the report posts button for a reason.

As for the other stuff, I've finally got around to catching up with it. Ricepigeon I don't think you should get a ban for your behavior, even if you did I promise it would be a slap on the wrist. And just a reminded to everyone he hasn't been banned yet obviously, since he still posting here. :P

The reason why any action has even been considered for a thread like that over stuff like what that happens in All That's Left is because release threads have a higher standard for replies. We want to keep down harassment of authors in their release threads in order to encouraged a positive environment for continued releases. This is because of how important contributions are to Mugen. So in the future, when helping with feedback like I saw that you did in that thread(and you were providing some excellent feedback), please be a bit more respectful with it. That goes for everyone.

If someone doesn't want to take your feedback, that's ok and they don't have to. Just like you don't have to continue helping with your feedback. There's nothing wrong, either, with a counterargument as to why you insist on your feedback but it doesn't need to progress to the point of hostility. Please don't let any of this discourage anyone from giving feedback, feedback is important towards helping creators improve themselves. I know that I'm personally as well versed in Mugen as I am thanks to feedback and help from other users of this forum.

Edit: Just to be clear, RicePigeon it is not ok to provoke authors in a release thread the way you did with the title of the videos so please don't do that in the future. That's why I meant by "try to be a bit more respectful with it."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GDM on August 16, 2013, 11:42:44 pm
Shame things can't be that simple all the time
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on August 16, 2013, 11:43:38 pm
Hyogo's first post in that thread consisted entirely of "you're a jerk because you don't listen to my feedback, so this character probably sux"
Wow, I just love how you took it the wrong way. But that's you so I'm not really surprised since you're rather "Trigger-Happy" in these situations.

Tomo has asked for feedback on his characters, I gave him some valid points where he needed on some areas to improve from Sprite quality to some gameplay mechanics to be changed to fit for the style he's aiming for, you clearly didn't read the feedback I gave him before and clearly didn't read my reasons deep enough.

But as I said, that doesn't matter anymore so kindly shut up about it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 16, 2013, 11:47:19 pm
Tomo has asked for feedback on his characters, I gave him some valid points where he needed on some areas to improve from Sprite quality to some gameplay mechanics to be changed to fit for the style he's aiming for, you clearly didn't read the feedback I gave him before and clearly didn't read my post deep enough.
And he obviously didn't implement it, or respond. Your first post in a new release consisted entirely of prissy outrage. That ain't cool. Doesn't matter what the circumstances are.

But as I said, that doesn't matter anymore so kindly shut up about it.
Dude, c'mon. Stop being childish.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on August 16, 2013, 11:52:07 pm
The only childish thing I've done today is made my contributions private from now on.

Otherwise, This "Prissy" event is going to end right now, Do your role as a Moderator and support that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 16, 2013, 11:53:58 pm
The only reason I brought it up was because someone said that that thread was a sign that giving feedback was pointless. It is my role as a moderator to make it clear that that is not the case. :|
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 16, 2013, 11:56:33 pm
The only childish thing I've done today is made my contributions private from now on.

Otherwise, This "Prissy" event is going to end right now, Do your role as a Moderator and support that.
You made your contributions private over what? I wasnt following before.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Answer on August 17, 2013, 12:02:28 am

You can't be serious.

Videl has ONE, ONE piece of valid feedback. The rest was just whinging about how Tomo never listened to feedback. Seravy's thread had very useful feedback, and everything was pretty fine until that video.

There is no need to walk on eggshells or lament the death of feedback. It is so, so simple to leave feedback without being a douche; it's very easy to support why you think move x should behave like y as opposed to it currently behaving like z without being obnoxious. Leaving feedback doesn't give you carte blanche to act like a damn fool.



Hmmm I may have misunderstood the situation when I posted that, I understand what you mean.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on August 17, 2013, 12:05:13 am
The only reason I brought it up was because someone said that that thread was a sign that giving feedback was pointless. It is my role as a moderator to make it clear that that is not the case. :|
I honestly have no doubts of his opinion, It might as-well be pointless if it's going to turn out into such a mess like this.
But...uggh, I hate it when stuff like this happens, always hate getting into a mess with people I've respected so long.

You made your contributions private over what? I wasnt following before.
I made my contributions private, I made them private because there's no reason to carry on making content for the pure reason of Ignorance, barely anyone liked my content to begin with so in all respect, I'm doing them a favor.

It might sound childish, but it's my choice at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 12:08:40 am
Reason of ignorance? you make it sound as if you thought your work was ignorant? I dont get exactly where you are going with that.

I think you can agree that needling and poking someone until they quit to be undesirable on the long term, yes?  That release threads need feedback, but that what some are doing is not feedback , but just using it as a outlet to insult people.

As far as ricepigeon, his feedback was great , its the whole harassment avi that I dont get, why needle the guy, thats what I want to know. What was the "good" outcome to come of that? Cuz I can only see two outcomes of poking someone repeatedly, and its that they either snap back at you or they leave. And he left.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: jaede_ on August 17, 2013, 12:10:38 am
As far as ricepigeon, his feedback was great , its the whole harassment avi that I dont get, why needle the guy, thats what I want to know. What was the "good" outcome to come of that? Cuz I can only see two outcomes of poking someone repeatedly, and its that they either snap back at you or they leave. And he left.

It's a joke reffering to how Seravy saw some feedback as "harrassment" and "trolling". (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1814905)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on August 17, 2013, 12:11:15 am
you make it sound as if you thought your work was ignored?

Sorry to say this, but... Fixed. I think he meant that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 17, 2013, 12:13:14 am
I think the topic of possibly banning RicePigeon came up too quickly, even if said ban was intended as a slap on the wrist. Even if he "flamebaited" Seravy (which wasn't the case, he's told me so himself iirc), the staff still skipped simply telling RicePigeon to stop.

From what I understand, banning and whatnot are supposed to be fallbacks, not the first course of action. What I see out of this is Jmorphman just immediately suggesting a ban for a video title that he and the others misinterpreted, rather than discussing it with RP via a PM first.

I don't want to sound like MC2, but I feel like the staff has just been off the ball lately. Either they're not doing anything until it's too late, or they're jumping the gun and suggesting bans when they should warn a user first because they didn't read deep enough into things.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on August 17, 2013, 12:14:39 am
I think you can agree that needling and poking someone until they quit to be undesirable on the long term, yes?  That release threads need feedback, but that what some are doing is not feedback , but just using it as a outlet to insult people.

As far as ricepigeon, his feedback was great , its the whole harassment avi that I dont get, why needle the guy, thats what I want to know. What was the "good" outcome to come of that? Cuz I can only see two outcomes of poking someone repeatedly, and its that they either snap back at you or they leave. And he left.

I agree with Iced on this in conjunction to what I posted earlier.

It's a joke reffering to how Seravy saw some feedback as "harrassment" and "trolling".

It was still provocation, and doing that in release threads to authors isn't ok. Ok? :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 12:18:38 am
As far as ricepigeon, his feedback was great , its the whole harassment avi that I dont get, why needle the guy, thats what I want to know. What was the "good" outcome to come of that? Cuz I can only see two outcomes of poking someone repeatedly, and its that they either snap back at you or they leave. And he left.

It's a joke reffering to how Seravy saw some feedback as "harrassment" and "trolling". (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1814905)
Knowing he felt that way, dont you all think there should have been a better way to give him feedback than to mock his ass in his own thread? Seriously?
What reactions was he left with?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: jaede_ on August 17, 2013, 12:20:44 am
Knowing he felt that way, dont you all think there should have been a better way to give him feedback than to mock his ass in his own thread? Seriously?
What reactions was he left with?

There was a better way, a while ago before the thing began to spiral and he began to act childishly. We wouldn't have acted like this to him if he didn't act in such a way.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 12:24:05 am
so he either complied or he deserved what he had coming to him?
What if he didnt want to comply?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 17, 2013, 12:25:15 am
What I see out of this is Jmorphman just immediately suggesting a ban for a video title that he and the others misinterpreted, rather than discussing it with RP via a PM first.
I suggested that we discuss what to do about it, and brought up a ban as a possibility.

I don't see why we would need to PM RP? The only thing that matters is that Seravy felt that he was being harassed, not whether RP felt he was doing any harassment. Intent is moot here.

I don't want to sound like MC2, but I feel like the staff has just been off the ball lately. Either they're not doing anything until it's too late, or they're jumping the gun and suggesting bans when they should warn a user first because they didn't read deep enough into things.
Believe it or not, but we are not omniscient. We don't scour the forums to look for every possible injustice. We rely on you guys to report things. This whole situation only occurred because of luck, no one had reported it before it was already over.

And we have, in fact, read deeply into things. The fact that we do not agree with the same conclusions you have made does not make that fact untrue.

There was a better way, a while ago before the thing began to spiral and he began to act childishly. We wouldn't have acted like this to him if he didn't act in such a way.
"He started it" is not a valid excuse. Act better than him, then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: jaede_ on August 17, 2013, 12:28:24 am
so he either complied or he deserved what he had coming to him?
What if he didnt want to comply?

You forget he could have not complied, but with a better attitude. There's a difference between saying "no" and saying "no you trolls stop harrassing me"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 17, 2013, 12:34:47 am
It was still provocation, and doing that in release threads to authors isn't ok. Ok? :)
Yeah okay no, this has to stop. The problem is people getting offended over obvious jokes. Seravy and some others claimed feedbacks were harassment, RP named his video like that to mock that, and Seravy felt offended - but feeling offended doesn't mean he's right. He's always been like that, and he deserved it, because calling those things harassment was just plain stupid.
There may be a fine line between a mob of people trying to force a different guy to fit in and a nutso fighting back loads of people talking common sense, but that line is obvious. We are clever people and we can tell the difference. Seravy is crazy, always been, always will be.
Sure RP didn't HAVE to do it and it wasn't very nice, but you're trying to pass it off as bullying or some shit and that's just terrible. You can't just declare that certain people are immune to criticism and mockery when they say something stupid, just because it's their thread. No, it's not fucking okay if I make a shitty topic and piss on all the guys who come and tell me my topic is shitty, and then make a scene and quit, expecting to be defended just because I made the topic. You do not defend people like that.
You have common sense, you have to draw a line somewhere.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 17, 2013, 12:35:54 am
I suggested that we discuss what to do about it, and brought up a ban as a possibility.

I don't see why we would need to PM RP? The only thing that matters is that Seravy felt that he was being harassed, not whether RP felt he was doing any harassment. Intent is moot here.
I suppose I misinterpreted what you said in your first post in Warnings. My bad.

The PM would be to warn RP to cut things like this out in the future. You've done things like this before, yes? I don't see why such a course of action would be out of place in this situation.
Believe it or not, but we are not omniscient. We don't scour the forums to look for every possible injustice. We rely on you guys to report things. This whole situation only occurred because of luck, no one had reported it before it was already over.

And we have, in fact read deeply into things. The fact that we do not agree with the same conclusions you have made does not make that fact untrue.
I never attempted to imply that. What I'm saying is that even with reports, a lot of things were moving slowly. I wasn't just referring to the Seravy thing when I said that.

The way you and the others were going about this made me think otherwise. Thinking that "harassment.avi" was flamebaiting when it was a simple poke gave off that impression. Besides, Seravy reacted to that video a lot more gracefully in the comments than before, given its content. He may have denounced its title when he posted about it on MFG, but he said in the comments of said video that it was indeed a bug worth pointing out. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.

Byakko for mod again. Precisely this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 12:44:29 am
so he either complied or he deserved what he had coming to him?
What if he didnt want to comply?

You forget he could have not complied, but with a better attitude. There's a difference between saying "no" and saying "no you trolls stop harrassing me"

And thats the point where he is obviously not receptive and there's no point in needling him further until he either leaves or accepts that he is dumb or whatever the intention was.
this isnt that hard. people dont react well to being insulted  and will leave over that.
Its attitudes like that , that created the dark era of mugen where everyone would rush to jump into and insult creators that did things they didnt enjoy until they left.
Not everyone is going to do things you enjoy or accept your criticism well, it doesnt become a point of honour to try to bash him until he leaves.
Unless you like empty forums.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 17, 2013, 12:50:35 am
Like I said, you're trying to pass off a single video with a mocking title for mob bullying. That's bullshit. Seravy leaving was all himself, it wasn't a gang bashing, it was one guy mocking him with the title of one video, and it was a very obvious joke in the context of Seravy's followers claiming harassment.
You don't threaten a guy with a ban for something so simple that's happened only once (or at least that you've gotten mad about only once). You tell him to back off, you can even tell him to back the fuck off if you think it was this bad, but threatening with a ban is just you pushing for empty forums over some PTSD shit you think you're experiencing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 17, 2013, 12:51:59 am
Seravy's followers claiming harassment.
Not to mention Seravy himself claiming harassment.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on August 17, 2013, 12:54:38 am
Yeah okay no, this has to stop. The problem is people getting offended over obvious jokes. Seravy and some others claimed feedbacks were harassment, RP named his video like that to mock that, and Seravy felt offended - but feeling offended doesn't mean he's right. He's always been like that, and he deserved it, because calling those things harassment was just plain stupid.
There may be a fine line between a mob of people trying to force a different guy to fit in and a nutso fighting back loads of people talking common sense, but that line is obvious. We are clever people and we can tell the difference. Seravy is crazy, always been, always will be.
Sure RP didn't HAVE to do it and it wasn't very nice, but you're trying to pass it off as bullying or some shit and that's just terrible. You can't just declare that certain people are immune to criticism and mockery when they say something stupid, just because it's their thread. No, it's not fucking okay if I make a shitty topic and piss on all the guys who come and tell me my topic is shitty, and then make a scene and quit, expecting to be defended just because I made the topic.
You have common sense, you have to draw a line somewhere.
The line is mocking people and their releases in a release thread. Which isn't ok to do, sorry. Sevary wasn't saying anything that warranted mockery when Ricepigeon posted that first video that was titled "Fullscreen Attack Tutorial by Seravy". Sevary didn't make a shitty topic and piss all over guys who said it was shitty. He made a release topic, read feedback and updated the character to address it, and said why he wasn't going to adjust others. He wasn't saying anything about harassment until Rice posted the first video. You do know that there was two videos, right?

Oh and like I said earlier, Ricepigeon shouldn't be banned, I don't think. Just stuff like needless provocation doesn't need to happen in release threads, from him or anyone. I'm sorry if you disagree with that but the rest of the staff and I aren't going to bend on that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 12:58:14 am
Like I said, you're trying to pass off a single video with a mocking title for mob bullying. That's bullshit. Seravy leaving was all himself, it wasn't a gang bashing, it was one guy mocking him with the title of one video, and it was a very obvious joke in the context of Seravy's followers claiming harassment.
You don't threaten a guy with a ban for something so simple that's happened only once (or at least that you've gotten mad about only once). You tell him to back off, you can even tell him to back the fuck off if you think it was this bad, but threatening with a ban is just you pushing for empty forums over some PTSD shit you think you're experiencing.

Pigeon hasnt been banned. We are discussing what happened, you see who was banned? It wasnt pigeon it was the other guy trying to flamebait on the thread. But for all means keep going on about ptsd and how this is overreacting.

So far no one answered me what was the purpose of naming the video like that when the guy just said he felt harassed , instead I had sanae admit they were jumping on him because he wasnt complying.  Why do you think this is the right attitude?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on August 17, 2013, 01:09:43 am
Ya'll are gonna ban someone over a video? For fuck's sake seriously?

I got banned for this (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2SDsbRyvWDA) with no warning beforehand.

What? I'm not bitter or anything!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: jaede_ on August 17, 2013, 01:10:01 am
I had sanae admit they were jumping on him because he wasnt complying.

There was a better way, a while ago before the thing began to spiral and he began to act childishly. We wouldn't have acted like this to him if he didn't act in such a way.

We did not jump on him, because that'd mean Seravy did not do a thing, but he did, he misinterpreted obvious jokes and acted in a childish manner towards things.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 17, 2013, 01:13:03 am
Going by how the situation feels, RP sure got the warning, I think that should be left at it, as the course of action does not justify a ban; if he had been warned before the posted the video or something, that might have guaranteed a ban.

there is also a general message to feedback givers, try to be as less  as douchey as possible, in an ideal world people would take your feedback while ignoring the way it is presented; in the real world they can easily get pissed off because of that and completely disregard the feedback, let's not forget that most creators haev their own agenda and they have every right to ignore even well presented and valid feedback.

in practice, bad feedback presentation requires more effort than giving neutral feedback and it won't ever have any advantage over it, so it's better to jsut present neutral feedback, or if the creator does not listen at all, just stop giving him feedback.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 17, 2013, 01:15:11 am
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He wasn't saying anything about harassment until Rice posted the first video.
Of course, RP totally made it up, he's the only one who said the word "harassment", it came right out of nowhere in this video, did it ? I didn't follow the topic and I'm not sure when Seravy said it (CAN says he did), but I know from the quote topic that at least his followers made that very claim, and I'm at least assuming that RP named the video in response to that. so it's still mockery of their overreaction. And yes, it's okay, because it's so damn obvious that it's a joke. "Lol look at me, what I'm posting is what they call harassment". The part where it's a joke is that it's obviously not harassment, and the part where it's a mockery is that they call it harassment.
And what makes it okay is that it IS very clearly an overreaction on their part. Again, just because Seravy made the topic, doesn't make him immune to criticism and mockery over stupid things that were said. You just don't get to say it's not okay for the sole reason that it's his topic. You don't make absolute rules like that. There are exceptions to everything, and if it's the topic author's fault, then yes, it's okay to mock him. It's not okay to actually HARASS him in his topic, but we're right back to where this very clearly WASN'T really harassment. I agree that you don't ATTACK someone in his own release topic, but this WASN'T anywhere near that.
Pigeon hasnt been banned. We are discussing what happened, you see who was banned?
I didn't say you banned him. It still was the first thing that came up about this, the first word that was said about it was "ban". Are you going to be offended at my shortcut or at my implication that you already banned him somehow even though he's still posting ? Do you think I'm just that much fucking stupid that I didn't see him post in this very topic, or JMM posting the same thing as you ("no one has been banned yet") ? Should I feel offended that you would think I'm this blind or dumb or are you asking a false question to make it sound like I am this blind and dumb ?
So far no one answered me what was the purpose of naming the video like that when the guy just said he felt harassed
Yeah, the two posts I alone have made saying "it was obvious banter and mocking their overreaction" don't count at all or you just want to be blind and claim "no one has been able to explain it". Are you kidding me, saying no one explained it ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 17, 2013, 01:16:45 am
I didn't follow the topic and I'm not sure when Seravy said it (CAN says he did)
He said that right about here. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/marisa-kirisame-released-major-update-all-touhou-characters-and-some-others-152716.msg1814905.html#msg1814905)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on August 17, 2013, 01:20:45 am
What I see out of this is Jmorphman just immediately suggesting a ban for a video title that he and the others misinterpreted, rather than discussing it with RP via a PM first.
I suggested that we discuss what to do about it, and brought up a ban as a possibility.

I don't see why we would need to PM RP? The only thing that matters is that Seravy felt that he was being harassed, not whether RP felt he was doing any harassment. Intent is moot here.

Jmorphman I feel that you are harassing me. Please surrender your modship and send me $100 via Paypal to stop this harassment at once. :T

...But seriously no. What a person feels is irrelevant, whether it's justified is what you should concern yourself with, otherwise you cater to everyone's psychoses.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 01:23:07 am
So far no one answered me what was the purpose of naming the video like that when the guy just said he felt harassed
Yeah, the two posts I alone have made saying "it was obvious banter and mocking their overreaction" don't count at all or you just want to be blind and claim "no one has been able to explain it". Are you kidding me, saying no one explained it ?
Are you telling me that i should have said "no one involved" in order for you to understand that I am not expecting YOU specifically to explain the intent?
I did not take you as needing to have that explained.


Ive asked again what was the intent and all im getting from them is "IT WAS JUSTIFIED HE WASNT DOING WHAT WE WANTED" I dont see people understanding why this would be a bad idea to begin with.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 17, 2013, 01:25:19 am
What I would expect is you to find that answer yourself, considering I also said it was very fucking obvious. Should I have said "you're clever, you should see it by yourself, why are you even asking this question" ? Wait, I did. And I didn't even read the topic, and even I can see it very clearly just from the shitstorm it has pulled. And just from it being about Seravy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 01:26:58 am
What I would expect is you to find that answer yourself, considering I also said it was very fucking obvious. Should I have said "you're clever, you should see it by yourself, why are you even asking this question" ? Wait, I did.

Hey how about you lay off ? In case you havent understood yet im not asking this because I cant infer the answer, Im asking it because I want them to answer me to see if they understood why it was a bad idea.

Jesus christ byakko you are being so dense right now. Havent you noticed I wasnt directing questions at you AT ALL?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 17, 2013, 01:28:38 am
Havent you noticed I wasnt directing questions at you AT ALL?
I don't know, have you noticed it didn't even matter who you were asking the question to ? As for checking up if the persons involved have figured out it wasn't a good idea, have you noticed them say that exact thing, even if they didn't directly respond to your question ?
Here, let me pull a quote where he gives you a response for that :
Had one of the staff intervened, as I know they're capable of doing because I've been Jmorph do it before in other threads where situations started to get out of hand, and told me to stop I would have easily complied and this situation could have been avoided. But jumping straight to discussing a ban is just unprofessional imo.
The part where he says he would have stopped if someone spoke to him. That's not a good enough answer for your question ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 01:34:42 am
Complying just because someone threatens you and then following up with an argument about how it wasnt disrespectful does not mean he understood anything. Every answer you are giving me are making you out to be less aware of what you are talking about.

I was talking to them, not you, you are just trying to insert yourself onto a situation you yourself admit you know nothing about, you werent even aware of where seravy had talked about this.

We get it, you think seravy should be mocked just because of who he is and you dont know anything about what is going on but you want to be listened to. Now scram and let people talk it throught without your white noise. You already showed you had nothing to add to this when you admitted you werent aware of the argument.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 17, 2013, 01:37:22 am
Complying just because someone threatens you
There weren't any threats going on anywhere in this Seravy situation aside from him threatening to report any further replies. :stare:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on August 17, 2013, 01:37:47 am
We did not jump on him, because that'd mean Seravy did not do a thing, but he did, he misinterpreted obvious jokes and acted in a childish manner towards things.

That's your viewpoint of what happened. His viewpoint is that him and his character were mocked in that first video, that you wouldn't accept "no I'm not gonna do it" as an answer(which he has every right to decline your feedback), continued with it after he asked you to stop, and then posting that second video was the final straw. Do you see now that there are two sides to this coin? Whether or not certain things were meant as a joke or not doesn't mean it wasn't also a mockery. And it was completely unnecessary, none of this had to happen the way it did.

So the whole point of telling you guys that kind of provocation isn't encouraged for releases is so that this stuff doesn't happen in the future. Regardless of whether you think your and Rice's part had you guys doing nothing wrong or not, it shouldn't be happening and shouldn't be encouraged to happen. And since it's not necessary please don't do it anymore.

Of course, RP totally made it up, he's the only one who said the word "harassment", it came right out of nowhere in this video, did it ? I didn't follow the topic and I'm not sure when Seravy said it (CAN says he did), but I know from the quote topic that at least his followers made that very claim, and I'm at least assuming that RP named the video in response to that. so it's still mockery of their overreaction. And yes, it's okay, because it's so damn obvious that it's a joke. "Lol look at me, what I'm posting is what they call harassment". The part where it's a joke is that it's obviously not harassment, and the part where it's a mockery is that they call it harassment.
And what makes it okay is that it IS very clearly an overreaction on their part. Again, just because Seravy made the topic, doesn't make him immune to criticism and mockery over stupid things that were said. You just don't get to say it's not okay for the sole reason that it's his topic. You don't make absolute rules like that. There are exceptions to everything, and if it's the topic author's fault, then yes, it's okay to mock him. It's not okay to actually HARASS him in his topic, but we're right back to where this very clearly WASN'T really harassment. I agree that you don't ATTACK someone in his own release topic, but this WASN'T anywhere near that.
First of all, seeing as you admit you didn't follow the topic, I actually did go through and you completely got the order of events wrong. Ricepigeon mocked Sevary first by posting the first video BEFORE Seravy or "his followers" said anything about harassment. Sevary overreacted or not, which I didn't even say anything about, isn't the issue that I'm addressing(Iced addressed that better). Rice's mockery happened BEFORE Sevary said anything that you call stupid. Whether this was a joke or not doesn't matter because even if it is a joke it can just as easily be seen as mockery. Before you make a judgement on things like this, you should probably read up more on what happened because you're really coming off as really biased and misinformed.

You say things like "this is okay" and are giving me commands about what should and shouldn't be allowed on this forum. I'm part of the staff and it's not ok and release threads are no place for mockery, even on this level. It's not your place to judge what is and isn't mockery. Sevary felt is was mockery and not only him but several members of the staff see it that way too. That's why you're wrong on this. You're not helping resolving this issue with your posts on this either.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 01:39:54 am
Complying just because someone threatens you
There weren't any threats going on anywhere in this Seravy situation aside from him threatening to report any further replies. :stare:
im talking about the scenario where he would have been warned brah. He says he would have stopped if warned, that doesnt show he thought the behaviour was wrong or anything like that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 17, 2013, 01:42:47 am
I was talking to them, not you, you are just trying to insert yourself onto a situation you yourself admit you know nothing about, you werent even aware of where seravy had talked about this.
Are you fucking serious ? You guys are brewing this shitstorm, and you're just mad I'm not on your side. You're still talking like banning is an option, and this kind of attitude affects the whole forum because you're running it. Everyone SHOULD have the right to "insert themselves" about matters like that, and this section was supposed to show that. You discussed something in the warning thread, this topic is to get feedbacks over what forum users think of your policies. I'm not trying to insert myself in the RicePigeon/Seravy topic (I'm distancing myself from it), I'm "inserting myself" in the kind of rules the forum is trying to enforce, and I'm doing it because this is what this topic is for.
And just fuck off with trying to say I "insert myself" in situations that don't concern me as if I was some kind of attention whore. I know everything I need to know for the things I say here. You just think I'm talking about more than I really am.

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First of all, seeing as you admit you didn't follow the topic, I actually did go through and you completely got the order of events wrong. Ricepigeon mocked Sevary first by posting the first video BEFORE Seravy or "his followers" said anything about harassment.
Sorry no, that first video was legit. That's why I'm disregarding it. The whole matter of the discussion is the video that was titled "harassment", as Seravy himself pointed out.
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It's not your place to judge what is and isn't mockery.
It's everyone's place. It's common sense. that's the point I'm making.
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Sevary felt is was mockery
Now you're getting it backward. Seravy thought it was HARASSMENT, and apparently he left over that. I'm the one saying it was mockery.

By the way, the problem I'm having is that some people were immediately calling for a ban. You're saying a warning is fine, so that means you and I are actually agreeing. Like you, I also think that harassment and attacks are not okay. I'm simply saying RP didn't do any of that. He was mocking him, which deserves a warning, but not a ban. I'm agreeing with you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 17, 2013, 01:43:17 am
im talking about the scenario where he would have been warned brah. He says he would have stopped if warned, that doesnt show he thought the behaviour was wrong or anything like that.
What he meant was that he was willing to comply to being warned because he would have known that he went overboard.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 01:51:32 am
im talking about the scenario where he would have been warned brah. He says he would have stopped if warned, that doesnt show he thought the behaviour was wrong or anything like that.
What he meant was that he was willing to comply to being warned because he would have known that he went overboard.

And I wanted him to clarify that, which was why I was asking him what I asked. Ofcourse byakko had to try and make it all about him, someone that even admits he has no clue about what went on. But we all know that he is a contrarian by nature, he just felt it was the right time to jump in and point at himself repeatedly over the situation instead of letting pigeon or any of the others reply about the situation that was created around themselves.


 As you can see , I just want rice to tell me things from his perspective, instead of getting byakko telling me what he thinks someone else perspective is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 17, 2013, 01:53:00 am
Ofcourse byakko had to try and make it all about him
That's enough of your bullshit. Nowhere am I making this about myself. I never am and you always make this bullshit claim, maybe because someone doesn't agree with you or something. Is it completely forbidden for anyone to take part in any discussion lest they're making it about themselves ? That's supposed to be called opinions, and in a topic called "feedbacks to how the forum works", it's totally justified.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on August 17, 2013, 01:54:37 am
I know everything I need to know for the things I say here.
Not if you got the order of events completely wrong. You thought Sevary called feedback harassment and he didn't. And said he deserved to be mocked because of things that he didn't say until after he was provoked. If your posts were more informed about what happened and your opinions were based on that they would be more appropriate instead of you making up how things happened and saying "this is wrong and you should do this".

Stepping back and looking at it from all viewpoints though, my opinion is that the videos were meant to be a joke but they also mocked Sevary and his character. The titles were mean-spirited, though mildly so. Sevary over-reacted a bit to it. Everyone should avoid doing stuff like this in the future. Keep it out of release threads. No one should be banned. I hope everyone considers that to be fair and reasonable.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 17, 2013, 01:56:46 am
Not if you got the order of events completely wrong. You thought Sevary called feedback harassment and he didn't.
He DID. CAN posted a link to his post. After the first video. The second video (a full page later) is RP mocking him about it.
The first video was legit feedback (the title was another joke because something about Seravy supposedly fixing something but making it broken or whatever). Seravy called it harassment. RP posted a second video, calling it harassment - and again the content was legit feedback, even confirmed by Seravy himself. I didn't get it wrong.
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Stepping back and looking at it from all viewpoints though, my opinion is that the videos were meant to be a joke but they also mocked Sevary and his character. The titles were mean-spirited, though mildly so. Sevary over-reacted a bit to it. Everyone should avoid doing stuff like this in the future. Keep it out of release threads. No one should be banned. I hope everyone considers that to be fair and reasonable.
I agree again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 02:04:29 am
Ofcourse byakko had to try and make it all about him
That's enough of your bullshit. Nowhere am I making this about myself. I never am and you always make this bullshit claim, maybe because someone doesn't agree with you or something. Is it completely forbidden for anyone to take part in any discussion lest they're making it about themselves ? That's supposed to be called opinions, and in a topic called "feedbacks to how the forum works", it's totally justified.
then stop trying to dismiss my questions to rice and let him answer instead of acting as if its obvious or whatever, jesus christ.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on August 17, 2013, 02:05:49 am
He never called any of the other feedback harassment. And in fact, it wasn't him that said that the title was harassment. It was someone else. You said that Sevary deserved criticism and mockery for calling feedback harassment but 1. he didn't say it was harassment 2. what you consider him deserving to be made fun of happened after a video was posted that made fun of him in its title.

This is what he posted after the video:

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Regardless, the video came first.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 17, 2013, 02:13:52 am
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You are not doing that to provide feedback. You already posted the feedback here. I already answered it, too. You and other people pushed for the change a few more times, and I said I won't do it and it's final, and let's stop this and talk about something else. Then you post a video like that. Why?
It's hard not to take your video personal when you label it as "how to code fullscreen attacks tutorial by Seravy". That title is a personal one. Very much so, actually. And it's public. You even posted in the video thread.
I've posted feedback videos with "personal" titles before and never got any negative reaction before. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71wr4cjqPn8)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 17, 2013, 02:14:14 am
@Iced & Caddie :
You're both right in these two posts and I'm stepping down.
Just letting you know I'm won't interfere further.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on August 17, 2013, 02:15:13 am
@ Caddie

The "harassment" comment is from the comments on the first video RicePigeon posted (the one titles Full Screen Attack Turorial by Seravy), as in the comments on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pcc9H13-eQ&lc=FJv6t1ChZMFkeaJkKgttkatBEirv5jJjRDR5JbrI3Xw

This came before the video titled "harassment.avi." So indeed Seravy was the first one to start throwing the word harassment around. Just clarifying that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on August 17, 2013, 02:18:14 am
Thanks for pointing that out, Sean. I retract what I said about Sevary never saying that the first video was harassment.

C.A.N: Can you provide some more context to that video? Where was it posted and what was it in reply to?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GDM on August 17, 2013, 02:44:49 am
I love how one title on youtube turn into almost 6 pages of drama, but seriously rice pigeon is not going to get banned so why we still on this topic?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 17, 2013, 02:46:52 am
C.A.N: Can you provide some more context to that video? Where was it posted and what was it in reply to?
@Caddie: I posted it in the video thread along with a PM to Kamekaze because of a bug that was supposedly not happening on his end. Now that I think about it, that probably wasn't the best thing for me to bring up. :-\

Also, it seems odd how Rice is being singled out in this thread even with links to the other topic having clear evidence that other people partook in said "harassment," including myself (albeit a minor role compared to the others). I understand that people think Rice was the biggest instigator, but it just feels odd that nobody is discussing the others that were involved.

That's all I have to say until somebody else drags me back in. This is just getting ridiculous and I'm honestly rather sick of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GDM on August 17, 2013, 02:58:18 am
I agree
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on August 17, 2013, 03:01:32 am
It's like this because someone left over it. It shouldn't be happening but usually people don't make a big issue out of it like this. It shouldn't be happening at all though. If someone notices it, it'll be addressed. We don't see everything that happens here.

If you think we're being inconsistent, the consistent view point is supposed to be that fighting and insults aren't supposed to be in release threads. There might be cases where the topic creator starts it but what this usually means is none of stuff like "this character sucks".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on August 17, 2013, 03:19:39 am
Oh come on, you´re all looking at this like the biggest of deals. Seravy claimed some feedback as "harassment", RicePigeon named the video that way as a mock regarding Seravy. Seravy leaves because of this, that´s his problem if he couldn´t take it because it wasn´t meant as an insult but I will make guilty the feedbackers for pushing the situation way too far with the feedback, like "if you don´t this bla bla bla" or "because in fighting games it´s like this bla bla bla".

Some people have to understand that some creators have the choice to ignore the feedback they want to ignore, if you try to convice him once ok, twice cause you´re persistent. Why a 3rd freaking time then?? Geez.

Exactly the same thing when a shitty release appears, he doesn´t listen to feedback, you push the feedback down his/her throat and shitfest happens.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on August 17, 2013, 05:39:43 am
Alright now that I've cooled my head a bit,

you are throwing yourself up at the walls instead of simply telling me what purpose could you expect of calling a feedback video harassment.avi when replying to someone that complained about being harassed.

Explain me how that wasnt a poke trying to get on his nerves when you yourself admitted it was based on a complaint he had about your feedback.

or you could keep overreacting and trying to claim you are being policed just because you are being asked that.

Now that I think about it, perhaps I did get carried away. But as Byakko said, it was a reference to one of his blog entries on his site, and me satirizing the general reaction of equating feedback as harassment. With regards to the first video, it was mostly me trying to think of a creative title to point out the flaws, but I guess that backfired and I clearly wasn't thinking, as I didn't think anything would come of it.

As for the second video, Seravy's claim of harassment was beginning to irritate me a bit, so my frustration also played a part in it. The fact that one of his followers decided to send me a very colorful email about it (which can be seen in the QOTD thread) didnt help matters either. It was moreso me trying to vent this frustration through satire than any ill intent toward Seravy, while at the same time doing what I had done prior to this incident, which was to provide feedback to him.

I'm not even fully sure anymore if it was just me getting carried away by making a tongue-in-cheek joke and not fully realizing what I was doing or Seravy overreacting that started it, but it should never have reached this level. So I may as well bury the hatchet now and take this opportunity to apologize for my part in the whole situation, especially toward Seravy in particular. If a ban is still on the table after this, then I may as well start serving it now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 06:30:40 am
I dont think a ban is needed, if it had happened it would have been a slap more than anything else, and this conversation is far more effective than that.

Im sure Rice that you understand that the needling would get him to react somehow eventually, you recognize you got carried away,I just ask you to not get so carried away with things like this.
Your feedback was fine, very useful even, and even seravy recognized that but there's no reason to poke someone repeatedly, when people are backed into a corner they can either ignore it, attack back or leave. He felt mocked and had asked you to not do that, you kept pushing and you got a reaction. It wasnt what you expected but in hindsight what were the alternatives, right?

Im sure seravy will calm himself down eventually as well, specially if he reads this thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: jaede_ on August 17, 2013, 06:59:50 am
I'll take the chance to apologize to him as well, specially since I also bugged him out here and there. Specially since this stuff in the end of the day is just MUGEN and shouldn't be taken so much, that and I don't hate the guy either. So I wouldn't be able to have anything against him anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Seravy on August 17, 2013, 12:01:24 pm
All right, I'm going to accept both your apologies and we can move on. Not sure if I want to keep posting at Guild, somehow things always end up in drama. It's starting to feel like taking a bath in a lake full of piranhas willingly...
I have to think more about that. Lots of thanks to the admins for this discussion, it seems to have helped.
Authors come here because they want to talk about their work. Not their personality.  People giving feedback need to understand that.
However, as I haven't talked about my viewpoint in here yet, the majority of the stuff happened on my site and Youtube, a quick summary of what I feel has happened in the correct order.
The two things that made me the most angry are in bold.

-RicePigeon was posting feedback about characters as usual. Nothing wrong there. He posted like 30 or more issues total in the 4 characters he tested. I fixed about 90% of those and explained why I want to keep the rest unchanged. I think I haven't left any single thing unadressed. I was looking forward to what he was going to find in the remaining 18 characters.
-There were three discussions where RicePigeon and/or Darkflare was really persistent. For one of those, I eventually went with Darkflare's suggestion. It was something I considered of minor importance, but reducing the block damage of Royal Flush was probably the right choice. The other thing was about a projectile but that already had an open poll about one property of the move so I didn't want to change others. RicePigeon was quite persistent in trying to explain why he thinks the normal and the fast version needs to be doing the same amount of damage, despite the priority of the projectile being up in the poll, which, if changed, could have affected everything else about the move, opening up the way to make it the way he wanted. This already made me feel that he is overly persistent but it hasn't turned into a problem.
-The last matter was the blockstun amount of a level 2 fullscreen, invincible super. My version had it at +17 frame advantage (his original version was +30). I agreed that +17 is too much and reduced it to +5. I also mentioned that I consider this somewhat unimportant, as the move doesn't do much block damage making it bad for you if it's blocked even with advantage, as it costs a lot of power to use.
-Darkflare started to push the concept "every super move needs to always be punishable" on me. I resisted.
-I'm not sure how this went on, but eventually RicePigeon tried to convince me that the move should be punishable on block along with Darkflare. I explained that the idea behind the move is that it does very low damage but it's safe to use. They kept pushing for it and eventually posted the first video.
-At this point I got angry. Since the feedback was already given, and I already explained why I intend to not change things (more than once, I believe), I assumed there are certain negative intentions behind the video, because it should have been already obvious that pressing the matter further wouldn't result in a change. I expected the video to escalate the problem and instigate actual harassment, or even more mockery. While I had no way of knowing whether causing drama was his intention or not, I assumed he knows he can expect that. By the way, I'm not sure if "harassment" was the correct word to us there, mockery does seem to fit better. Mockery is a form of harassment, I guess.
-I posted a similar video in return (wasn't linked in the thread, only in videos because it was offtopic, as it wasn't showing my character), showing RicePigeon's original of the same move (which was +30 on block), and warned him that I find his behavior offensive.
-RicePigeon didn't post much from this point onward, but the other people, especially Sanae started to derail the topic into a discussion about my personality as far as I remember (which people should have already known isn't perfect, I'm not exactly new here.)
-Instead, RicePigeon made a post on my site. The contents were pretty much identical to that what his followers said, that I have talent and he thinks he needs to steer me into the right direction. Well, that is very rude. No one ever has the right to force their own decisions and way of thinking on another person. It feels even more wrong when it is said about a trait on a character he himself released with the same trait on steroids (Original was +30 on block).
-Then I made a blog post explaining the above.
-Sanae posted some sort of a mocking video about my personality and blog post. I didn't want to get even more angry so I only watched the first minute.
-I made another blog post, pointing out this has happened already. I tried to make it clear that I'm still unsure of RicePigeon's intentions, while I'm already sure that his followers are bad. I was giving him a chance to redeem himself after reading my posts, because, truth to be told, the majority of insults were coming from the followers. I decided to judge him based on his next action.
-At this point, he posted the Harassment.avi. Worst timing ever. I guess everyone knows the rest.

In short, the greatest problem (other than the mockery) was that Team RicePigeon seemed to think they have the right to tell me what to do. I hope that will also change now. Giving advice and steering/forcing people are different things. I have no problem with the first, but I consider the second unacceptable.

I'm going to forgive everyone involved, let's forget about the whole thing. I do expect you to change your ways and keep things to actual feedback and advice, however.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on August 17, 2013, 02:39:46 pm
When you give feedback, be tactful or expect backlash. You don't get to be mean and claim that someone has to take it because they need to be tough. Actually, they can be tough and then just blow your tactlessness out of the water because you should be a decent tactful human being in the first place.

This hobby consists of many children (literally), so don't expect mature responses and reactions; avoid that by being mature and tactful in the first place.

Nobody needs to be bashed in any way.

This is a hobby, not a boot camp.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on August 17, 2013, 05:05:35 pm
Wait Darkflare seriously said that every super is unsafe on block?

LOL.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Seravy on August 17, 2013, 07:51:48 pm
Wait Darkflare seriously said that every super is unsafe on block?

LOL.
I think he only meant it for fullscreen moves, but yes he did say something like that.
Let me find it...oh yes, here :

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Having a fullscreen super be SAFE ON BLOCK or have any super deal RIDICULOUS chip damage does NOT punish you for your careless meter management.
I think he might have realized spending the power and getting no damage is enough punishment regardless of frames later, as his next post was

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Even your precious Touhou fighter that you love so much got that right. Missed that 5 card spellcard attack? Well, you just wasted 5 cards for nothing, good job.
After that, he didn't post anything more about it. At that time I facepalmed because the move we were talking about didn't do noticeable block damage (11 to be specific), so what he posted was what the move actually did.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on August 17, 2013, 11:47:16 pm
Wait Darkflare seriously said that every super is unsafe on block?

LOL.

IIRC it was only a complaint on ONE super that was a fullscreen attack that did massive chip damage. But I wasn't paying too much attention so ignore me maybe?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Darkflare on August 18, 2013, 12:04:23 am
Wait Darkflare seriously said that every super is unsafe on block?

LOL.

That's 0 for 3. Maybe you should stop trying to find an excuse to put me down cause it's making you look like a fool.

IIRC it was only a complaint on ONE super that was a fullscreen attack that did massive chip damage. But I wasn't paying too much attention so ignore me maybe?

One was a full screen and the other was a level 3 that did the crazy chip damage.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 18, 2013, 09:34:22 am
Yeah let's not have Seravy's release thread v2 here. This is for feedback to staff stuff, not frame advantage stuff.

In fact, there's actually something to talk about:
What I'm saying is that even with reports, a lot of things were moving slowly.
Hmm... yes. I have noticed this too; sometimes it feels like I'm the only one solving reports anymore. We have a fair number of mods, so I'm not sure what's going on.

The PM would be to warn RP to cut things like this out in the future. You've done things like this before, yes? I don't see why such a course of action would be out of place in this situation.
We don't typically PM people for these kinds of things. We make it public, so that (hopefully) other people will not repeat the same thing.

Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.
Not really. It's just common sense.

...But seriously no. What a person feels is irrelevant, whether it's justified is what you should concern yourself with, otherwise you cater to everyone's psychoses.
We feel like Seravy's complaint was justified, is what I was getting at.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 18, 2013, 09:48:44 am
Hmm... yes. I have noticed this too; sometimes it feels like I'm the only one solving reports anymore. We have a fair number of mods, so I'm not sure what's going on.
It seems like a lot of the mods just aren't active in their modding aside from you as of late. I still remember that one time you went responding to all of the reports that had accumulated from the last few days a while back. That's kind of ridiculous to only have one mod out of many do that. I'd have been happy to solve reports from the request section, but I'm limited in my powers even there. :-\
We don't typically PM people for these kinds of things. We make it public, so that (hopefully) other people will not repeat the same thing.
A public warning within the thread, then? I feel like if it had escalated after said warning, going to the Warnings topic would make more sense.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 18, 2013, 09:53:23 am
That's basically what happened here. Since it was undecided whether to just go with a ban or a warning at the time, we never got around to posting in Seravy's thread. And then 6 pages of this happened, which made posting in Seravy's thread moot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 18, 2013, 09:56:29 am
It's a shame that had to happen, but I feel posting in Seravy's thread and being ignored would be better than not posting in it at all had it been caught sooner. I feel like something needs to change, but I'm not sure what. Getting more than one or two active mods, I guess?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on August 18, 2013, 10:03:56 am
Too many gmods, not enough local mods.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DMK on August 18, 2013, 11:17:25 am
local mods can't solve things, er make them say solved so some stuff like that maybe part of the trouble of some unsolved stuff. Reports don't show up in our updated topics like I think it does/did for Gmods. So if something comes up and its reported I have to check the reports, PM the person or move the topic. Whatever the situation calls for if somebody else of course didn't solve it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 18, 2013, 11:47:24 am
Ya'll are gonna ban someone over a video? For fuck's sake seriously?

I got banned for this (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2SDsbRyvWDA) with no warning beforehand.

What? I'm not bitter or anything!
also you would get banned again without any warning, that is the perfect example of the pig headed idiotic manner in which to approach newcomers and bash them until they leave.  How anyone could justify that this is the right way to approach a newcomer in any way is behind me, and to think its okay you must have been dropped in the head one too many times.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on August 18, 2013, 09:19:39 pm
I was just showing the precedent for the banning over a video (and without warning). Looks you're still upset that you can't count; 3 isn't 2, ya silly~
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Joulz on August 18, 2013, 09:52:22 pm
local mods can't solve things, er make them say solved so some stuff like that maybe part of the trouble of some unsolved stuff. Reports don't show up in our updated topics like I think it does/did for Gmods. So if something comes up and its reported I have to check the reports, PM the person or move the topic. Whatever the situation calls for if somebody else of course didn't solve it.

how about having a local mod whose one of main purpose would be taking care of the reports then? (amongst other common tasks)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 18, 2013, 11:26:44 pm
that sounds way too convoluted + doesn't solve the lack of options local mods have
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 21, 2013, 08:17:47 am
I guess it's better than nothing? I dunno.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 21, 2013, 08:18:15 am
It might be worth a test run.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 22, 2013, 03:50:52 pm
local mods can't solve things, er make them say solved so some stuff like that maybe part of the trouble of some unsolved stuff. Reports don't show up in our updated topics like I think it does/did for Gmods. So if something comes up and its reported I have to check the reports, PM the person or move the topic. Whatever the situation calls for if somebody else of course didn't solve it.

Local mods are pretty much security guards. They pretty much have to rely on gmods to get anything done.

Probably because their status is ONLY counted in the board they mod, so anywhere else the board treats them as a regular user.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 22, 2013, 10:45:54 pm
Local mods are pretty much security guards.
I'm gonna need a stronger tazer in that case. >:[
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 23, 2013, 11:27:25 am
Like DMK suggested, it'd be nice if local mods could solve reports (it doesn't even have to be restricted to reports made in their section, we can trust them), and see reports show up in unread replies, like gmods.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 23, 2013, 11:37:40 am
That'd solve most of the complaints I have about being a local mod.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on September 06, 2013, 07:28:09 am
A bit of a stretch, but I'd assume giving local mods better access to staff discussions would be a help too. I'm not saying give them access to the private staff forums (those are, well, meant for global staff), but maybe access to the warnings thread you guys have would help; they could more easily give information on someone who would need to be dealt with, or something like that.

Why do I suggest this? Around the parts of Doom where I'm a forum global mod/master server admin, the local mods have access to the global mod/admin areas, and it's worked great there. However, this is a different community, and what you guys think is best may be better than what I think is best.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on September 06, 2013, 02:27:45 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1829256

As long as he doesn't start anything, like the other time, I think he's fine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on September 06, 2013, 03:02:37 pm
A bit of a stretch, but I'd assume giving local mods better access to staff discussions would be a help too. I'm not saying give them access to the private staff forums (those are, well, meant for global staff), but maybe access to the warnings thread you guys have would help; they could more easily give information on someone who would need to be dealt with, or something like that.

Why do I suggest this? Around the parts of Doom where I'm a forum global mod/master server admin, the local mods have access to the global mod/admin areas, and it's worked great there. However, this is a different community, and what you guys think is best may be better than what I think is best.

I actually don't think local mod permissions can be changed for that. I think we would have to have a new membergroup made for them. Which has been discussed a little bit but not to a large enough extend to simply make said group. For the most part local mods are for members that wish to help out more on the board. And probably a good way to see who might become global mods later if they wished to do so and when more are needed.

Access to that board isn't really important. But it might make them feel a bit more special too since they don't really get any thing special aside from the abilities they gain in their boards. I might hound Iced and Caddie about it and see what they think.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Joulz on September 07, 2013, 01:08:32 am
i don't think it's necessary: it's not like being local mod makes your voice more important compared to "regular users" anyway (they are basically maintenance people), so why would that "position" grant them access to the Warnings thread?

in the end, they can always reach the rest of the staff via PMs if they need the input about a particular matter.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on September 07, 2013, 03:46:27 am
Fair enough. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 07, 2013, 05:13:51 am
i don't think it's necessary: it's not like being local mod makes your voice more important compared to "regular users" anyway (they are basically maintenance people), so why would that "position" grant them access to the Warnings thread?

in the end, they can always reach the rest of the staff via PMs if they need the input about a particular matter.

ther is a reason if you know how guild forums work, but that same reason aso means it is also unnecesary.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on September 23, 2013, 04:34:26 pm
I don't think banning Mechy is necessary. Even though the pics are close to breaking the rules, there's no visible genitalia or really explicit stuff. Banning him would be a bit too much imo specially considering the thread is marked as NSFW.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on September 23, 2013, 04:38:21 pm
As the guy who reported him and these photos, i did not want him to be banned to make that clear, just thought that, even if GoH disagrees, such photos should not be a part of the Cosplay thread.

Maybe a clear mention about what images are okay in the first post of the cosplay thread could be useful.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on September 23, 2013, 04:57:01 pm
I don't see the problem, especially this kind of images were already posted a lot of times in Cosplay thread and all of them in spoilers and marked as NSFW. If the images were posted without these things, yeah, it's for be worried, but Lolmechy always makes the spoilers and advices when he posts those girls cosplays. So yeah, you're exagerating, people (unless you want me to post REAL H-Cosplay in that thread)

Also GBK, you better not see E-Hentai, you can find A LOT of cosplay there you can't see :eaugh:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on September 23, 2013, 05:03:16 pm
Welp. I forgot one of the pics was showing the chick fingering herself (or atleast it looks like it).

Everything else didn't seem that bad really. :/
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on September 23, 2013, 05:19:10 pm
I don't see the problem, especially this kind of images were already posted a lot of times in Cosplay thread and all of them in spoilers and marked as NSFW.
What other images in that thread had a lady straight up fingering herself? (Or more likely pretend-fingering herself but that doesn't actually change anything)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on September 23, 2013, 05:28:19 pm
I think is most the second... hmmmm, I'm not sure if I saw something like that before in that thread... but if maybe just get off that kind of images only and not the whole gallery??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on September 23, 2013, 05:30:10 pm
That's what happened, they only removed that one image (and the almost full nude one), not the tamer ones. And the ones with the girl pointing her ass straight at the camera.
Caddie said:
You couldn't see anything, and it her hand was over her crotch.
I know you removed it, but just to insist a little bit more : if she's explicitly fingering herself, even if it's half covered and you can't actually see the penetration, it's soft-core porn. The nude one is the more borderline one, you could label it art and call it a day as long as you don't see anything. But the context of the one you removed makes it more dubious. Others in the same vein without the fingering may be fine with a NSFW tag (that's for all the other similar ones you're worried about removing through the whole topic).
I want to say that defining porn isn't reinventing the wheel but I'm worried it'll be mistaken as aggressive
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on September 23, 2013, 09:00:11 pm
@Caddie: you forgot to edit this post: http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1837578
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on September 24, 2013, 03:48:04 am
Hey JM, about the Decisions thread, what about asking Rajaa for the templates he uses for COTM prizes before he vanishes forever and ever of the forums as POTS?? I saw him posting in some parts these days, you can PM him about the templates and then give them to some admin/mod who can use them for making prizes
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on September 24, 2013, 08:07:07 am
Yeah, those don't seem difficult at all to make.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on September 24, 2013, 11:13:35 pm
Hey JM, about the Decisions thread, what about asking Rajaa for the templates he uses for COTM prizes before he vanishes forever and ever of the forums as POTS??
I'm not putting the cart ahead of the horse; first thing's first is to get someone to make the trophies. And hey, why limit it to mods, cause they sure don't care? Who wants to be in charge of the awards? You can even help me out in CotM probably! Get a fancy star and stuff!

Yeah, those don't seem difficult at all to make.
I'm sure they're not. But, I'm not doing it. I do too much shit here. Someone else can do it. We have so many mods, right? I'm sure one of them can do it, and, if not, we'll have to find a normal user who actually gives a shit about the forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on September 25, 2013, 01:07:03 am
Perhaps we could try a different template?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on September 25, 2013, 07:04:43 am
Guys. The template is not the problem. Finding someone to use the template is the problem.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on September 25, 2013, 07:28:05 am
(http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u432/SomeLanceGuy/Private/Likethis.gif)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ArmorGon on September 25, 2013, 07:34:34 am
That is simply amazing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on September 25, 2013, 07:36:29 am
I'm going to take that as an offer to be the new award guy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on September 25, 2013, 07:52:20 am
(http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u432/SomeLanceGuy/Private/Test2.gif)
Testing around different fire and stuff.

Are there any size limits I should consider?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on September 25, 2013, 10:29:46 am
Replace Jmorphman with Oxe.

#CHANGE #MUGEN #2013
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on September 25, 2013, 02:18:04 pm
I like the second one, it's perfect :D
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on September 25, 2013, 11:18:42 pm
I've been following the RMH situation in the Shit Thread and in the Warnings section, and I worry that this is exactly the type of thing that leads to a good, active Mod like JMorphman quitting. RMH's crap is ridiculous and impossible to defend, but the ban protocol that you guys set and insist on so slavishly following is what JMM was enforcing. JMM's been posting quite a bit recently about how he is a lot more active than most mods and the Admins, as evidenced in this thread and the CotM threads, and when he steps in and tells someone they've got one chance to not get permabanned and to stop responding, an Admin comes in and just says "No, you're banned forever," it really undermines what JMM was trying to do. That's the kind of thing that leads people to feel unappreciated.

This is all my opinion, but I wanted to throw this out there because I'm getting that kind of vibe from the whole thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on September 25, 2013, 11:25:15 pm
I totally agree with you Sean
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on September 25, 2013, 11:27:05 pm
I'm fine, I just think the gun was jumped. We should stick to the guidelines we have laid out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on September 25, 2013, 11:29:10 pm
But I see the arguement it's still going on, what are you guys gonna do with this guy?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on September 25, 2013, 11:32:05 pm
I'm fine, I just think the gun was jumped. We should stick to the guidelines we have laid out.

I agree, I was just worried about the "stepping on your toes" part and didn't want to see things get out of hand.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on September 25, 2013, 11:32:40 pm
Honestly? Leave him to torture other forums If he's just going to keep spurting mad milk from his teets.

Thing is, What if another user was treating him like he does to people who have a problem with his attitude? Endless bitching. That's what.

Just something he should consider.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on September 25, 2013, 11:33:06 pm
But I see the arguement it's still going on, what are you guys gonna do with this guy?
He's gone for good. Too late to do anything but he almost certainly wasn't gonna improve so I don't think anyone will miss him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on September 25, 2013, 11:35:04 pm
But I see the arguement it's still going on, what are you guys gonna do with this guy?
They're not gonna do anything, he's already banned. Unless JMM wants to unban him now, but I'm not reading that intention from his posts so far (and by the time I completed this post JMM answered to that himself but I'm leaving this anyway).
I don't think guidelines should be strictly applied all the time like a presidential protocol, they're guidelines. We all know what was going to happen, even if it hadn't completely happened yet. The ban was his final warning, he ignored it right when he came back. It was just a shortcut - and I don't think that "letting him get the rope to hang himself" would have been any productive, it would only have pissed off a bunch of people, and degraded the atmosphere with more arguing and insulting. (just look at how many people jumped at him in the shit topic)
The only matter right now is toes stepped on, and if feelings were hurt.
Hang the code and hang the rules, they're more like guidelines anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on September 25, 2013, 11:36:53 pm
Jmorph I'm sorry that I wronged you on this one, and I do understand what you were trying to do. RMH was warned enough though and does not belong on this forum. I disagree with you on the "gun being jumped" on someone who immediately after a ban expires goes back to what caused the ban in the first place. Especially with someone who has done that specifically multiple times. But I do thank you for doing what you believe was right on this.

And I do appreciate what you've been doing Jmorph. You're a great mod, and have really picked up some of the slack around here. I mean REALLY picked it up. More than your share, easily. And I hope you don't feel under-appreciated because of this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on September 25, 2013, 11:40:58 pm
Dude hung himself on his own rope the moment he demonstrated he didn't (or chose not to) understand why he was banned. He didn't listen to anyone and just seemed to want to incite arguments. Not debate, just pointless ugly arguments.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on September 26, 2013, 12:35:25 am
I would say that someone who was banned 6 months ago, then coming back and inmediately do the same thing is a clear sign that he has no intention to change. I think Caddie's decision to just ban him directly was good, warning would have just amounted to waiting until he shitposted again, which would have probably happened in one more day. As Byakko said, the "Warning, then Ban if it doesn't work" is a guideline to follow, in case it's a new user or just someone who suddenly had an outburst of emotions and posted without thinking. Someone who comes back after that long of a time and inmediately do the same stupid thing again clearly doesn't deserve a chance at all. More time you give him is more time he can just use to disturb the entire forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on September 26, 2013, 12:49:36 am
Yeah, uh, the thing is about one mod doing one thing and another doing something in opposition to the first. That's the only real issue here. Not RMH. He's dumb and would've been banned by the end of the night either way.

I disagree with you on the "gun being jumped" on someone who immediately after a ban expires goes back to what caused the ban in the first place. Especially with someone who has done that specifically multiple times. But I do thank you for doing what you believe was right on this.
Just want us all to work as a well-oiled machine, because this is really non-controversial (seriously is there anyone in this forum who wants RMH unbanned?), and I'd rather this kind of thing not happen when there's a lot of disagreement about whatever. This RMH thing is so trivial so it's a good opportunity to talk about this kind of thing.

And I do appreciate what you've been doing Jmorph. You're a great mod, and have really picked up some of the slack around here. I mean REALLY picked it up. More than your share, easily. And I hope you don't feel under-appreciated because of this.
Oh who cares about that, we're glorified janitors. The only time people should notice us is if something goes wrong. That said, I sure wouldn't mind more help with reports and stuff!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on September 26, 2013, 01:14:49 am
Just want us all to work as a well-oiled machine, because this is really non-controversial (seriously is there anyone in this forum who wants RMH unbanned?), and I'd rather this kind of thing not happen when there's a lot of disagreement about whatever. This RMH thing is so trivial so it's a good opportunity to talk about this kind of thing.

Completely agree with you on that.

Oh who cares about that, we're glorified janitors. The only time people should notice us is if something goes wrong. That said, I sure wouldn't mind more help with reports and stuff!

I'm personally gonna help you out with that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on September 26, 2013, 05:19:17 am
RMH alt account. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/robotmoneyhead-82793)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on September 26, 2013, 05:29:07 am
Well that didn't take long at all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on September 26, 2013, 05:35:06 am
His sig:
"Future alt accounts won't be as obvious, but none the less happy fun will be following for anyone who tried to abuse the monkey, mod or otherwise, for as long as it is entertaining.

The fun will begin when and only when they initiate bullshit with any other member of this forum.  Be good, the monkey steps lightly.  Just kidding."

And the same name, bold

     Posted: September 26, 2013, 05:38:59 am
JNP just banned him, effective eh?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on September 26, 2013, 05:48:08 am
He can keep trying all he wants..
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on September 26, 2013, 05:58:34 am
YOU SHALL NOT PASS RMH!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on September 26, 2013, 06:17:05 am
RELEASE THE KRAKEN IP BAN!!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on September 26, 2013, 06:20:54 am
IP BAN?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on September 26, 2013, 06:37:05 am
Yep, admins and global mods not just can ban an user, if the guy is problematic and creates alt accounts, they can ban the IP so he can't be in the forum forever and ever after (at least in his PC)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on September 26, 2013, 07:55:21 am
you're assuming he has one ip ever. one account can have hundreds of ips associated to it. it doesn't quite work like you think

he could also create an alt account and:
1: not post ever in which case who cares
2: post normally in which case who cares
3: post like a fucking idiot in which case he'd just get banned again

it's a really shitty threat
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on September 26, 2013, 08:19:44 am
Exactly, couldn't say it any better myself. Also:

I want him banned for good. No matter how long of a ban he has, he's going to come back, he's going to make the same posts, he's going to try the same things. He's probably gonna ban evade to complain about the ban and the staff, either through posts on the site or through pms. The only reason he seems to post on the site is to do stuff like this. I don't see any reason to not ban him permanently.

Caddie was right. :smug:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on September 26, 2013, 08:49:58 am
His sig:
"Future alt accounts won't be as obvious, but none the less happy fun will be following for anyone who tried to abuse the monkey, mod or otherwise, for as long as it is entertaining.

The fun will begin when and only when they initiate bullshit with any other member of this forum.  Be good, the monkey steps lightly.  Just kidding."

And the same name, bold

      Posted: September 26, 2013, 05:38:59 am
JNP just banned him, effective eh?
thats one huge inferiority complex.
"imma gonna personally stalk a whole board and act as a philosophical vigilante of sorts who posts bullshit when I think others are wronged like i think i was"
What kind of mind needs that much validation from strangers?
Oh right, the kind that gets banned for six months and returns trying to act as if no time has passed.

the ammount of weird mental health cases ive dealth with in the duration of the time I joined here is staggering.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on September 26, 2013, 09:04:21 am
That's why my secret VN project, Love with No Limits, is going to be what critics will call "The Spiritual Sequel to Missing Stars (http://somnovastudios.org/)"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on September 26, 2013, 05:35:59 pm
MissB the 3 day procedure was for when someone DOESN'T KNOW what to do with the offender. There's zero reason to do it when the entire forum already agrees on it, it wasn't supposed to be something that's always put in place systematically (although a bunch of mods did that anyway, but that procedure wasn't suggested this way). It's useful for cases like, when something's going wrong but you're not sure who deserves something or for how long, or when there's a disagreement over it. In every other case it's a hindrance to the forum functioning properly, it's bureaucracy. It's also one reason why some people think the staff is always indecisive.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on September 26, 2013, 05:58:17 pm
I suggested the procedure for 2 reasons: first so that there was consistency and second to prevent someone on staff from banning someone he/she doesn't like just because he/she can. 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on September 26, 2013, 06:00:04 pm
Its a good suggestion.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on September 26, 2013, 06:03:15 pm
It would have prevented Caddie from overruling JMM's decision, but ultimately it was already decided, and everyone knew it. The three days would only have been a slow-down. You call it consistency, I say bureaucracy. There's no justification for a delay when the result will be the same. Fail-safes like that are only needed when there's a conflict, not when the entire forum agrees.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on September 26, 2013, 06:21:08 pm
Can't you go terrorize another forum?
RMH's Message was removed, thus was aimed at him for being a general douche again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MellyInChains on September 26, 2013, 06:22:07 pm
isn't 'terrorize' kind of a strong word for that because it's just somebody ineffectively wasting his time
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on September 26, 2013, 06:23:26 pm
The three days would only have been a slow-down.

Except it doesnt mean an automatic 3 day discussion.  More than likely in this case everyone would agree in the first 24 hours.

Quick! Ban me!  And remember, don't be a dick!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub5D8bDsMGM[/youtube]


  :brood:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on September 26, 2013, 06:23:51 pm
isn't 'terrorize' kind of a strong word for that because it's just somebody ineffectively wasting his time
Well, There's other forums that's more welcome to his behavior, Maybe I was a little too harsh with the wording, But he's generally annoying in such a way that just makes me want to hate him even though I've never had any BS from him.

GameFAQ's would gladly welcome him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on September 26, 2013, 06:26:10 pm
Its really a strong word lol

Terrrorizing a forum means to attack it with hundreds of automated messages, to intrude the backend, hack accounts, posts as different people including mods  and cause chaos until the admin(s) find solutions.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on September 26, 2013, 06:27:54 pm
Understood, I was typing without thinking for a minute there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on September 26, 2013, 06:32:11 pm
Except it doesnt mean an automatic 3 day discussion.  More than likely in this case everyone would agree in the first 24 hours.

Last couple of times we've done that the 3 days have expired with nothing happened because we were still discussing it. This particular case, this dude didn't deserve it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on September 26, 2013, 06:32:40 pm
More than likely in this case everyone would agree in the first 24 hours.
You mean everyone already agreed (well, JMM was giving him one more free post but it would have been the same) so if you say it would only have taken 24 hours, I say it would only have taken 3 seconds - enough time to set the ban to 3 days, and then immediately set it to permanent.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on September 26, 2013, 09:52:49 pm
The 3-day ban discussion period was absolutely worthless whenever it was put into effect. Almost everytime a 3-day ban was made to discuss the length of the ban, the warning/decision thread would go silent and then the 3-day ban would expire and the banned user would begin shitting up the forums again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on September 26, 2013, 10:11:14 pm
Silence doesn't necessarily mean lack of action, though. For example, if you check the warnings thread it looks like kaominerva wasn't punished, but I actually permabanned him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on September 27, 2013, 03:02:17 am
I don't think he should get the 3 day ban period. I think it should have been the year ban. The forever bans are a bit much. Surely we could handle him doing the same thing in 1 year. Then he'd get banned for 2 years. So it's like perma bans but sometimes users actually outgrow these antics over the years. That's why I'm against perma bans.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on September 27, 2013, 04:08:06 am
3 day bans should not apply for repeat offenders especially after they're getting banned fresh off their previous ban expiring. in rmh's case it's a fucking stupid idea.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on September 28, 2013, 01:50:40 am
Whether RMH deserved a permaban or not, overruling mods who were already dealing with the situation is in really poor taste, Caddie.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on September 28, 2013, 01:51:32 am
That's his discretion as an admin. It's not "poor taste." It could be a "poor decision," though.

Who knows. I know I don't know because I don't even know what's going on here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on September 28, 2013, 01:52:30 am
Then he's doing a poor job of being an admin.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on September 28, 2013, 01:55:47 am
I wouldn't go that far. At worst you could say he made a mistake. As beautiful as Caddie is, he's still human.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on October 04, 2013, 08:51:31 am
Oh just go away. No one cares.

EDIT: This was in response to a post made by a ban-evading RobotMonkeyHead that has now been removed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on October 04, 2013, 08:57:49 am
Wow. I almost forgot people could get this pathetic over petty shit on the internet.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Erroratu on October 04, 2013, 09:15:20 am
Bitch please.  This is way too entertaining.

This is what's going to happen.  I'm going to make an account whenever the hell I feel like it, check in on the 'monkey abusers', including you, and see if they're (you're) starting shit with any other members of the forum, in which case the puppet show will go on, most likely unbeknownst to you.

Monkey Abusers?pfft
Yeaaaa i dont think so.
Also the fact that you think you are right even thought everyone else says you arent is pretty fuckin dumb
What happened to you RMH,you used to be cool :/
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on October 04, 2013, 09:41:12 am
I would suggest you ignore him, and wait for staff to ban him. Don't give him attention, he seeks it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on October 04, 2013, 10:06:53 am
Whether RMH deserved a permaban or not, overruling mods who were already dealing with the situation is in really poor taste, Caddie.

I felt bad about it and still do, but I felt that it had to be done. And still do, as you've seen now. :P

Then he's doing a poor job of being an admin.

I'm sorry you feel that way. :( I'm sorry that anyone feels that way but I'm not gonna pretend I don't know why.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on October 05, 2013, 03:39:10 am
Whether RMH deserved a permaban or not, overruling mods who were already dealing with the situation is in really poor taste, Caddie.

I felt bad about it and still do, but I felt that it had to be done. And still do, as you've seen now. :P

Then he's doing a poor job of being an admin.

I'm sorry you feel that way. :( I'm sorry that anyone feels that way but I'm not gonna pretend I don't know why.

I don't disagree with banning RMH at all, and I only said the second thing because of the way Rajaa responded; I haven't been paying nearly enough attention to whatever decisions you've made to have an opinion outside of this one event.

What was I trying to say is that overruling another staff member is something that should be done sparingly if at all, and waiting another post to let the hammer fall would have accomplished the same result without completely invalidating how JMM chose to deal with the situation. If you had gotten there before JMM did, banning him right away would have been just fine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 08, 2013, 03:53:51 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1845095

It's all a part of his plan, he wants to involve the community in his contest; I don't think it's a bad thing, and besides, after the contest he can delete his posts and topics or something...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on October 08, 2013, 08:52:22 pm
I don't know, didn't they just ban Dan_Hibiki/Custom Soul for similar behavior? Shamelessly promoting his own threads in other people's totally unrelated threads? It's deceptive and I don't see how anyone could click the links and be anything but mad. I think it will actually lead to less people participating in his contest.

EDIT: By the way, I'm not saying a ban is order, just using it for comparison. A warning should be fine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on October 08, 2013, 09:21:08 pm
It's all a part of his plan, he wants to involve the community in his contest; I don't think it's a bad thing[b/]
I agree with this.

Slap on the wrist and derail posts get canned. The contest should stay.

Chamat isn't usually disruptive, and he's very enthusiastic about this. He's a great spriter and he's giving away sprites. The public shouldn't be deprived of free stuff just for a couple of witty effort derail posts.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 08, 2013, 10:18:25 pm
yeah i dont think its a big deal either, posts with derails got separated and stuff. if it kept happening everywhere after being cut out then it would be an issue, but till that happens it isnt.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 08, 2013, 10:59:52 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1845095

It's all a part of his plan, he wants to involve the community in his contest; I don't think it's a bad thing, and besides, after the contest he can delete his posts and topics or something...
It's misleading and pretty shameless self-promoting. It shouldn't have been done.

But it's been split off into it's own thread and a warning is all that's needed. It's not that big of a deal, in the long run.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: NotToBeAnnoyed on October 09, 2013, 10:03:18 pm
Hmmm... is it just me, or is MC2 just being sarcastic? I don't think he's trying to flamebait at all more than express his own (annoying) sense of humour without expecting a reply.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on October 09, 2013, 11:20:11 pm
without expecting a reply.
If he truly is being sarcastic, that's where he falls flat. One can't expect no replies to posts like his.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on October 19, 2013, 10:14:28 am
Can someone please do something about Doraemirby bumping and quote pyramiding himself multiple times in the does this thing exist topic?  He doesn't even try to use Google or actually look, he just keeps spamming the same posts until someone spoon feeds him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on October 20, 2013, 03:43:09 am
I'm pretty sure Basara's warned him in the thread at least once. Maybe something more harsh if a second warning doesn't suffice? :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on October 22, 2013, 07:16:38 pm
Please please please, permaban WildTengu. Dude doesn't give a shit about the community and will only shitpost in fighting game threads and release threads.

The only acceptable alternative is his account is restricted to posting only in a Karnov's Revenge thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on October 22, 2013, 07:27:40 pm
Just wanted to applaude your reactivity with the WildTengu thing in the Batsu topic, and discussion in the Mod section.
Now ban him already.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 24, 2013, 11:28:33 am
I don't know if I'm allowed to post this here but:
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1852039

I think he is offending me.
Long story short:
- he necrobumped a topic;
- the original poster replied to him (and they both were speaking Spanish);
- I asked them if the project was resumed or not and told them to speak English;
- they deleted their posts and reported me that I necrobumped (when I wasn't necrobumping);
- I asked them why did they do that (in PMs);
- first Extasis pretended to know nothing, then they started insulting me (in Spanish) in the PMs.
And he still continues (in fact he posted again, necrobumping, "El allan es puto" and I think it's an offence) and deleted it.

I have proofs of all that (if one or both of them deny what happened).

Why did I nominate him contributor? I have to be more careful next time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 24, 2013, 04:18:33 pm
nah, it does not that they are talking about you. oen guy asked if the project is dead then they talk about bringing it back and give up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 24, 2013, 04:21:56 pm
They did report him for necrobumping after deleting their own post though.
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/projects-re-all-pocket-star-team-random-project-154523.0.html
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 24, 2013, 04:24:34 pm
yeah they bumped the thread and deleted the replies and tried to make it like alex sinigaglia was the one that bumped the thread. that's fucking pathetic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on October 24, 2013, 04:54:11 pm
I'm pretty sure Basara's warned him in the thread at least once. Maybe something more harsh if a second warning doesn't suffice? :-\
That's true, I warned him about that and even edited his posts, MC2. As a new mod on Request I do that and he stopped to do it by now (or at least he doesn't do it as before). About the other subforums apart of request where he does that, I can't tell you, you've to report his post to some global mod or admin can do something about it

Also, I agree with most people about WildTengu, I liked the guy and his posts/videos, but since a time until now wasn't bearable at all, so the ban is fine, IMO

I don't know if I'm allowed to post this here but:
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1852039
I read the posts deleted as well the original thread (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/all-pocket-star-team-random-project-114438.msg1093131.html#msg1093131), and it was a discussion between the members of this game (one of them Meta Gouki, one of Mugen Hispania admins and retired creator), nothing about you or someone else being offended, so don't worry. It was just one of the members wanted to restart the project and jokes between them. The "el allan es puto" ("allan is a bitch") was an inside joke between the members, being allan one of them. Resuming, nothing to be worried about, but necrobump
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 24, 2013, 04:57:40 pm
the part that offended him was when they set him up so he looked like a necrobumper. they also sent offensive private messages. read.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on October 24, 2013, 05:02:14 pm
Oh, I see... I didn't read Byakko's post about reports. What a jerks  :-\

     Posted: October 24, 2013, 05:06:52 pm
Iced said:
some dudes deleted their necro posts and reported Alex as necroing to try to get him in trouble,i suggest banning both for the minimum time of three days.
I can suggest to permaban both, IMO
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 24, 2013, 05:17:49 pm
Uh... that's a bit drastic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 24, 2013, 05:34:02 pm
No, don't ban them, but just look at them carefully if they do it again.

Maybe I'm making this worse than it is (and my Spanish understanding (that is not great) could have made me confused). If only I knew Spanish better...
Am I allowed to post here the PMs (instead to bother the admins; I don't know how to report the PMs to mods)?

There's the case he was using Spanish dialect and I misunderstood.

"el allan es puto" ("allan is a bitch") was an inside joke between the members, being allan one of them. Resuming, nothing to be worried about, but necrobump
There's no Allan, I checked Mugen Generations. Actually there's one Allan14 but he never posted and was never active so no, I think that was directed at me.

It was more like "The one above me is a bitch" (if my rough translation is correct).

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mgbenz on October 24, 2013, 05:43:07 pm
While a permaban is way too much they should really not get away with what they did.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 24, 2013, 05:43:30 pm
They got a warning. That's all that's needed right now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on October 24, 2013, 05:46:58 pm
There's no Allan, I checked Mugen Generations. Actually there's one Allan14 but he never posted and was never active so no, I think that was directed at me.
Nope. Allan (or better Alan) is mgmnzx, the creator of the fullgame and companion/friend of -Extasis-, the latter was joking with him in spanish
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 24, 2013, 05:50:12 pm
i'd like to see the private messages, if they're just insulting then there's no real harm in sharing them
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 24, 2013, 06:01:25 pm
As I said I could have made a fuss over nothing...
Spoiler: PM to Extasis (click to see content)

Spoiler: PM to mgmnzx (click to see content)
then I saw Extasis deleted post and thought it was against me.

Hmmm... maybe I did a bad thing bringing this up?  :thinking:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 24, 2013, 06:08:08 pm
i'm not going to translate what they said but it's just poorly written insults in spanish. they're garbage and should be banned for a period longer than 3 days.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on October 24, 2013, 06:09:31 pm
Wish I could help, but I can't understand their "slang"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 24, 2013, 06:12:24 pm
extasis basically said "what the fuck are you talking about shithead" and mgmnzmxnzmxn basically said "whats wrong you fucking we are dumb fucks spamming this site for ten years"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 24, 2013, 06:14:19 pm
I think they did it on purpose. "I can't understand anything and they are free to do what they want" is what they were thinking (in my opinion).
Luckily I can understand some Spanish.

Thanks Titiln for confirming that they indeed throwed insults at me.

I really didn't expect that from them. :(
Especially from Extasis, which I never met in the past (in other forums), and I have thanked him for one of his codes. And more importantly I nominated him for contributor status. (That maybe doesn't count, but...)
Well, better save that zoom code page before he deletes it in anger (who knows...).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on October 24, 2013, 06:23:14 pm
I can suggest to permaban both, IMO
Or at least more than 3 days for those 2

Also, my apologies for those 2, Alex. Reading their PMs, looks like they're chileans instead mexicans as says their flags on profiles (those slangs are clearly chilean insults, more proper of flaites (chilean thugs)). That kind of people makes look bad to spanish speakers, and as I read, to chilean ones, too
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 24, 2013, 06:27:31 pm
Also, my apologies for those 2, Alex.

Don't worry, it's fine. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 24, 2013, 08:43:16 pm
I did not know about he pm insults, so yeah go ahead with the short bans.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 24, 2013, 11:11:27 pm
mbh said:
It seems to me if someone is going to be banned for a pm, the pm should be unsolicited and reported to an admin not paraphrased and posted in the forum.
as far as i can tell, the private message conversation was pasted verbatim. it's also unlikely alex sinigaglia paraphrased a language he's not familiar with. and the pm alone is not the reason they're getting banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on October 24, 2013, 11:19:12 pm
I know it isnt, but it's being used to extend a ban.  It seems like better procedure to report the PM to an admin.  I'm not saying it's wrong to ban them or wrong to extend it.  I'm questioning the procedure and that it may be used for a guide in subsequent similar circumstances. 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 24, 2013, 11:33:54 pm
Yeah, let's not give a shit about the whole part where Alex himself said he was reluctant to post it or even report it because he wasn't actually sure of what it was saying, and we here asked him to post it, specifically to figure out what they actually said. Let's make very generic statements that fit nothing in the current situation. Just for the sake of disagreeing questioning stuff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on October 24, 2013, 11:34:36 pm
I'm questioning the procedure

That's what you're ALWAYS doing...wait...I've finally uncovered your secret identity[avatar]http://caddie.smeenet.org/questionavatar.png[/avatar]

(http://caddie.smeenet.org/The_2nd_Question-2.jpg)

This is why you never show your face. You don't have one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on October 24, 2013, 11:48:27 pm
This explain many things... [E], we miss you as global mod!! :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 24, 2013, 11:51:25 pm
what happened here doesn't mean that the same procedure will be used for future decisions involving private messages. if tomorrow i said byakko needs to be permabanned because he sent me some offensive private messages, and then someone asked me to post them, and i did, and

Byakko: You should die you piece of shit.
Me: hey man please calm down
Byakko: Your mother should calm down for spawning something as pathetic as you

and then byakko was permabanned with no questioning of the legitimacy of the private messages. no, that's not going to happen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on October 24, 2013, 11:55:57 pm
Its kinda easy to look up personal messages in a SMF Forum for admins if they got the options though.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 25, 2013, 12:06:01 am
If you want I can report the PMs to the admin/s now. I have no problem with that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 25, 2013, 01:00:19 am
i don't think it's needed
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 25, 2013, 01:17:58 am
ugh, this is what happens when we let mexicans into the forum

amirite [E]?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 25, 2013, 02:08:46 am
chileans.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on October 25, 2013, 02:15:40 am
That's right ;) hey wait...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Joulz on October 25, 2013, 02:36:26 am
That kind of people makes look bad to spanish speakers, and as I read, to chilean ones, too

well let's not get too extreme & quick with the generalization, there: they are not representing Chile worldwide...they just happen to speak spanish, to be Chileans & just no-manners shitheads.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on October 25, 2013, 02:40:14 am
Excuse Djoulz, he's french.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Joulz on October 25, 2013, 02:46:35 am
there is no excuses for that  :wiseguy:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on October 25, 2013, 02:58:14 am
Man those guys are fucktards
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on October 25, 2013, 11:31:13 am
Venga tio venga

burritos speedy gonzalez

arriba arriba

jajajajaja
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on November 06, 2013, 12:08:21 am
So how long am I going to be stuck with this ugly  YOUR SIG IS TOO BIG!!!!! warning in my signature. 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 06, 2013, 12:13:22 am
can't you change it yourself
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on November 06, 2013, 12:14:46 am
He's cursed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on November 06, 2013, 12:49:07 am
can't you change it yourself

No I cannot.  Also my display name has been reverted to my account name.  Because I guess hiding the truth somehow makes it not evident.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on November 06, 2013, 12:55:44 am
Well, It's gone now
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on November 06, 2013, 12:58:25 am
It's gone, but my question is not answered.  Given I was only told that I would be banned I think I have a right to know the circumstances that were hidden from me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Joulz on November 06, 2013, 01:35:39 am
that's a nice moving cock in your sig, MC
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on November 06, 2013, 01:54:19 am
[offtopic]
Seriously, local mods should be able to respond to/solve reports at least in their own section.
[/offtopic]
:ninja:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on November 06, 2013, 01:55:45 am
I dunno why you weren't uncursed when whoever removed the SIG IS TOO BIG thing but now you are. And I also gave you an actual, cool-looking sig to boot. ;)

No I cannot.  Also my display name has been reverted to my account name.  Because I guess hiding the truth somehow makes it not evident.
Given I was only told that I would be banned I think I have a right to know the circumstances that were hidden from me.
what
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on November 06, 2013, 01:56:40 am
Do you realize by resetting my display name that you have completely invalidated the pun in my avatar?  Now THAT should be a bannable offense.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on November 06, 2013, 01:57:43 am
Take it up with whoever did that.

     Posted: November 06, 2013, 01:58:39 am
[offtopic]
Seriously, local mods should be able to respond to/solve reports at least in their own section.
[/offtopic]
:ninja:
Put that in Valodim's thread and make sure to sacrifice a few goats and hope he implements it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on November 06, 2013, 02:02:21 am
Done. Now to hope those goats didn't go to waste. I could have bought four chickens with that kind of cash.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on November 06, 2013, 02:23:56 am
I put the warning there because your sig was too big. I removed the warning because you saw the warning but I didn't remove the cursed status because I figured it was there for a reason.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on November 06, 2013, 02:32:00 am
Wait, there's actually a cursed status?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on November 06, 2013, 02:33:54 am
Yep. It locks profile edits.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on November 06, 2013, 02:41:01 am
Iced put it there because he had a name that was too long and didn't change it after a day or so warning to do so.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on November 06, 2013, 02:56:49 am
Given I was only told that I would be banned I think I have a right to know the circumstances that were hidden from me.
You should read the Warning thread to know why, you smart guy... (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1851653)
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on November 06, 2013, 03:03:45 am
He's asking why he was cursed, not why he was banned. It's already been cleared up by JNP, btw.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 06, 2013, 03:22:31 am
basara's attempt at owning mc2 falls flat once more
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on November 06, 2013, 04:51:17 am
He's asking why he was cursed, not why he was banned. It's already been cleared up by JNP, btw.
Oh, OK then. I mistook the things, my bad :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on November 06, 2013, 10:33:00 am
And I also gave you an actual, cool-looking sig to boot. ;)
Is the signature a metaphor for the time it takes for you to update your characters?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on November 06, 2013, 06:27:37 pm
Is the signature a metaphor for the time it takes for you to update your characters?
It's a metaphor for how the staff are like the Greek gods, because I was reading Cryptonomicon yesterday and came across this:

"Now keep in mind that the typical Greek myth goes something like this: innocent shepherd boy is minding his own business, an overflying god spies him and gets a hard-on, swoops down and rapes him silly; while the victim is still staggering around in a daze, that god's wife or lover, in a jealous rage, turns him - the helpless, innocent victim, that is - into let's say an immortal turtle and e.g. power-staples him to a sheet of plywood with a dish of turtle food just out of his reach and leaves him out in the sun forever to be repeatedly disemboweled by army ants and stung by hornets or something."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 07, 2013, 04:17:30 pm
dont really feel like making a thread for this but all reports since monday are marked as unsolved
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on November 07, 2013, 05:00:55 pm
Got 'em.

Boy it sure is fun being the only mod for the forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 07, 2013, 05:03:44 pm
at least you get free chicken.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on November 07, 2013, 08:12:20 pm
Don't know if it matters at all, but I agree that Fire Spectre or whatever his name his should be banned, and the thread locked.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Flamme the Creepy Sensei on November 07, 2013, 09:11:51 pm
[avatar]http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q483/ItsMeDonte758/9c760191-d8b9-47bc-9c83-682d2ba5d164_zpsafbe556b.jpg?t=1383854343[/avatar]Seeing as to how he pretty much ignored JMorphman's warning, I figure he might be on his way to being banned. Also judging by his behavior, the topic should be locked.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on November 07, 2013, 09:16:37 pm
Alrighty so can you guys figure out if his game contains a virus or not, and post about it here (cause he deleted and locked his topic)?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on November 07, 2013, 09:27:47 pm
He made a duplicate topic it seems.

If noone else is able to, I'll probably run the file through virustotal or something when I get the chance later, though I'm not expecting any false positives to show up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on November 07, 2013, 09:29:00 pm
If it does end up being a virus I'll remove the links from the deleted threads. If not, I guess I'll just leave the topics there, cause Fire Spectre wanted it deleted.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on November 07, 2013, 09:29:46 pm
Taybear said it was a decompression bomb. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/locked-to-prevent-spammersy-fireboy-154828.40.html) (post 47)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on November 07, 2013, 09:34:40 pm
DLed it again. My antivirus says the same thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on November 07, 2013, 09:34:53 pm
Not really a virus per se, but definitely a malicious file.

I would recommend others not to check it anymore, two users is enough to trust that the file must not be downloaded.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on November 08, 2013, 01:27:21 am
Got 'em.

Boy it sure is fun being the only mod for the forum.
So nobody else does much despite the amount of mods we have?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on November 08, 2013, 01:41:43 am
That whole thing was crazy. I wonder what he wanted.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on November 08, 2013, 01:42:58 am
Some men just want to watch the world burn...

Nah, JK, maybe he's just a jerk
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on November 08, 2013, 01:48:16 am
Looking at the way he typed, caps, taking up a huge amount of space with his posts, overreacting to simple things, it's safe to assume attention.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on November 08, 2013, 02:21:27 am
Got 'em.

Boy it sure is fun being the only mod for the forum.
Maybe if you didn't complain about the way I helped you when I tried to help you with that I'd still be helping you. 8)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on November 08, 2013, 04:15:40 am
Well shit, I couldnt use virustotal to scan the file since it was bigger than 64 mb and forgot about VT's size cap...

However, I was able to scan the file found here (http://www.mediafire.com/download/qu4751inn4bani8/MKMSP_REGION+A.zip) with Malwarebytes:

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Oddly enough, nothing detected. Same for Avast. Same for Superantispyware. Maybe it was just that one particular link I clicked was safe? For those that were getting antivirus warnings, which AV were you guys using?

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on November 08, 2013, 04:49:57 am
Norton here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 08, 2013, 04:53:49 am
fireboy is a stupid piece of shit who i remember banning years ago. fuck him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on November 08, 2013, 05:03:00 am
fireboy is a stupid piece of shit who i remember banning years ago. fuck him.

Is that so? And why was he banned previously?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on November 08, 2013, 05:31:32 am
I'm willing to guess it's for this exact same behavior, given I've heard he's like this at other forums.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 08, 2013, 05:39:43 am
i found a post on warnings/decisions by me 5 years ago mentioning that he was harassing users but i don't exactly remember what happened. it's clear he's a shithead currently
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on November 08, 2013, 09:05:58 am
Got 'em.

Boy it sure is fun being the only mod for the forum.
Maybe if you didn't complain about the way I helped you when I tried to help you with that I'd still be helping you. 8)

bragging about doing no mod work is no way to go through anything. It might even offend those that are actually solving those.

And his complaint was legitimate you were just solving necros by clicking solve and not changing anything while saying "if anyone else wants to remove the post its ok" , that meant that now if he wanted to remove necros he would have to check both solved and unsolved reports to make sure he read all reports.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on November 08, 2013, 12:59:26 pm
Something I'd been doing for years and nobody complained about until I started helping him clear out reports. I decided that short term necro in a less common section of the forum didn't need to be removed and solved the topic, leaving a message for any mod who wanted to remove it anyway to just go ahead and do it without arguing with me about it.

Oh and right after I posted that post I went and started solving reports again. :P I have the worst sense of humor ever, my apologeez.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 08, 2013, 03:27:47 pm
solving reports is not helping jmorphman, it's helping the forum. replying to a legitimate forums issue with a terrible joke is all sorts of stupid
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on November 08, 2013, 03:38:50 pm
The forum issue is the report of necro, and in those cases, it was posts that Caddie didn't think necessary to remove. That's disputable since people will keep reporting it or think the staff doesn't care about their report, but in the end he's still treating them. The joke isn't about that bit.
The thing here is that JMM takes the stance of deleting them, without wondering if they're "harmful" or not - even if they don't hurt anyone, if it's a necro (a real one, unwarranted and all), he deletes them.
So it's only a matter of everyone in the staff to agree on deleting all necros no question asked, or leaving those that "don't harm anyone". Once they agree, JMM knows he won't have to go over the solved reports to delete necros that Caddie didn't consider to be harmful, or Caddie knows that he has to delete unwarranted necros, even if he thinks they're harmless.

FTR, Caddie, necros are bad in general even if they're harmless because it bumps an old topic with no news (like "nice car +1" or "this 5 year old link is dead ! Someone fix it now !"), and that pushes away other topics that deserve some attention because they're actually still going on. Of course this is only a real issue on sections like release and wip, but on discussion sections, it's more of an annoyance than a real problem... But it's still an annoyance. It's a bad habit that no one should get used to and take for granted.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 08, 2013, 03:40:49 pm
i mean the forums issue of reports going unsolved for 4 days
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on November 08, 2013, 04:53:48 pm
The necros in question were like 3 months old and that's just too much of a gap to leave up; stuff like 5 week or even 6 week necros are fine.

It's just the solving part; solving means "this issue is done and resolved, no need to check on it". If something is questionable it shouldn't be solved, to give the other mods an opportunity to voice their opinion/take action/whatever.

Also it seems like FireBoy's game itself doesn't have any virus warnings, only his site, and that it might be a false positive or something. So... nothing else needs to be done, I guess.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on November 08, 2013, 09:28:50 pm
solving reports is not helping jmorphman, it's helping the forum. replying to a legitimate forums issue with a terrible joke is all sorts of stupid
Geez when did everyone around here get so sensitive? I thought everyone knew by now I respond to most posts with terrible jokes.

Also it seems like FireBoy's game itself doesn't have any virus warnings, only his site, and that it might be a false positive or something. So... nothing else needs to be done, I guess.

Thanks for the heads up Jmorph.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on November 08, 2013, 11:25:26 pm
Times change bro
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vgma2 on November 14, 2013, 09:01:32 pm
He's is indeed Ban evading.
Combined with his behaviour, I would suggest to extend his ban for quite some time.
I don't think I've seen anyone getting off with an easy 5 days for ban evading.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 14, 2013, 09:02:36 pm
He ban evaded like 4 times lol..
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on November 14, 2013, 09:05:43 pm
He's obviously evade the "normal conduit" about being a shitposter, so the ban shouldn't be this way. Permaban him and all his alt. accounts, or at least 1-year as minimum
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: FirePony on November 14, 2013, 09:06:17 pm
He ban evaded like 4 times lol..

Yeah, and it was funny to see how mad he was each time more. :D I had great time! :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vgma2 on November 14, 2013, 09:09:15 pm
I on the other hand had a horrible time.
I think I've lost brain cells trying to read his posts.
[avatar]http://i.imgur.com/H0GR99C.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on November 14, 2013, 09:10:17 pm
He's obviously evade the "normal conduit" about being a shitposter, so the ban shouldn't be this way. Permaban him and all his alt. accounts, or at least 1-year as minimum

+1

And we haven't even gotten to the whole "malware on file/website" issue that was never fixed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on November 14, 2013, 11:41:25 pm
Increasing ban time won't make him stop. He will eventually get tired of constantly creating accounts, so you should wait for that. Creating an account takes a lot more time than just deleting it, so the only one wasting his time is this idiot that claims Titiln is a tyrant.

I think it would be better if all staff members that ban him put as reason "I AM THE TYRANT". That way he will stop aiming at a normal user and will aim to the staff, which is the normal thing to do :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 15, 2013, 12:03:01 am
the accounts shoudl still be banned, and banning for 3 days means he can reuse them almost right away, constantly banning them for a few months/one year should do the trick.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on November 15, 2013, 05:09:47 am
All of his accounts are banned. The Firespectre one is banned for 2 months, and the alts are permabanned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on November 15, 2013, 04:54:35 pm
Agreed with Caddie, permaban
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on November 15, 2013, 05:08:54 pm
He wasn't even pleasant when he had no ban. Drop the guillotine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 15, 2013, 09:09:08 pm
if fireboy who registered 5+ alt accounts and was a total shithead in general (including about matters such as his website making antivirus software give alerts) doesn't get permabanned, then who gets permabanned
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on November 15, 2013, 09:11:16 pm
People who cause serious damage to the forum and have no chance of getting any better.

Which likely applies to Fireboy but I don't know if we're there quite yet.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on November 15, 2013, 09:13:20 pm
A permaban is needed, If not, It'll be the same when the ban expires, he'll come back with his crazy shit, and they'll have to ban him again.
People like these will not learn, I honestly believe he's mentally unstable, judging by all that MKP wars and parrot crap he was talking about, and the stuff Wild West Shades quoted
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on November 15, 2013, 09:17:10 pm
I'm for a extended/permanent ban.

Besides, if he really does commit to getting better, he can come back as a new IP/user and stop being a dumbass.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 15, 2013, 09:25:19 pm
Dropping the hammer on these people is the only way to go. People like that will not learn. They will just let their anger stew and cause shit once their time is served. It is nice you give this guy the benefit of the doubt, but I don't see what's going to make him think differently of or treat the forum with respect. He does have a ten year old grudge against the forum iirc lol

I'm sure regardless of any amount of time he stays away from here, everytime he will come back he will start shit with people. He's very socially inept and percieves everything as a threat, lacks regard and respect for others' opinions, has a ton of delusions, and seems to revel in the attention.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on November 15, 2013, 09:28:02 pm
The guy is a bit strange.


Maybe give him one last chance and than..byebye forever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on November 16, 2013, 12:13:14 am
if some of those claims are to be believed he is a single person posting with several accounts praising himself , going as far as taking over actual users accounts to make them sock puppet him. He is also a bit... how can I put it.. touched in the head I guess. The whole repetition of words with the ammount of times he repeats things like parrot, is not something someone healthy does.  Not wanting to be a psychiatrist on the internet but seriously, a normal person speech does not include thirty variations of parrot in it, some in adjective form and some in verb form.

Me, personally im not entirely sure its him in several accounts or him and his "buddies" in several accounts, but jmorphman is convinced that its the same guy and indeed every one of those makes the same mistakes over and over again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on November 19, 2013, 10:58:34 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1865884
(about Fireboy and his "supporters", more like ... no, I won't say that)

Ban them all, or counter with this: since they get so many downloads why is he complaining about one forum?
Or do both. That guy is a waste of time, and reasoning with him is impossible. He believe he is superior. Then let him be in his forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on November 19, 2013, 11:01:40 pm
He's banned; they're banned. They'll keep coming until they get bored or tired. Just ignore them, report them if you see 'em, and don't give them attention.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 20, 2013, 01:57:16 am
He doesnt have a posse, his forum is just him and some guys who dled his game, nobody else there posts like that anyways lol
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on November 20, 2013, 06:30:02 am
From the looks like it the people who downloaded his game post exactly like he does. ::)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 20, 2013, 05:33:34 pm
Oh sure I dont dispute he alts like mad there as well. I meant the peple you could actually confirm as not him are easy to spot lmfao
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on November 23, 2013, 02:11:14 am
I hope you all realize that by locking me out of changing my profile, you have also locked me out of accessing site settings like display other users' avatar/signature, changing time settings, buddy/ignore list, etc.  Great show you guys are running here, keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on November 23, 2013, 02:13:43 am
maybe you should focus on being a better user and gaining those things back then
did you even consider talking to who removed your avatar and sig?  (or edited it, i dunno i have them disabled)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Luis Alejandro on November 23, 2013, 02:17:50 am
wow such admin
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on November 23, 2013, 02:22:02 am
Much social interaction.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on November 24, 2013, 02:11:58 am
maybe you should focus on being a better user and gaining those things back then
did you even consider talking to who removed your avatar and sig?  (or edited it, i dunno i have them disabled)
I guess this kind of thing isn't worthy of a response.

Funny how most replies to MC2 seem to be this way.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 27, 2013, 04:15:06 am
RE: CvSvC being a sticky in graphics

it should not be a sticky
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on November 27, 2013, 04:32:36 am
There is talk of stickying it in the thread. It's from Chamat though. The Edge stickied it. I'm not wanting to step on his toes by simply unstickying it In case I missed something. Don't tell me you caved to the Chamat peer pressure Edge!!! o_o
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 27, 2013, 05:01:17 am
there's no reason for it to be a sticky. a mention in the [Theme Thread] Master List + Graphic Arts Hall of Fame thread at most. not a sticky
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Thedge on November 27, 2013, 04:29:33 pm
He asked for it before, since it is indeed an encyclopedia of sorts I procede.
I'll do what titlin said.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 02, 2013, 01:46:04 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/alexsinigagliasuckmydick-42034

EDIT: I posted in one of this "guy's" threads before (look at the account history). I believe this profile was hacked (I highly doubt the account owner just suddenly became a retard).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on December 02, 2013, 02:09:41 pm
No, no, trust me, he is a retard. Hahahah. I just reported Extasis and he comes here insulting me. Laughable. :)

Well, time for a permaban then. He just has dug his grave.

Do you want to know why he did this? Because of this: http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/projects-re-destroyed-namek-v2-1-1-155430.0.html
I was just applying the rules.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 02, 2013, 02:15:03 pm
I'll assume your right.
What he's doing is definitely worthy of a perma-ban.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on December 02, 2013, 02:20:18 pm
About the "suck my dick" guy, you might want to also clean up the porn images even in the recycle bin.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Extasis- on December 02, 2013, 02:20:21 pm
lol, we do not care in a permanent ban, there is a life outside, apart from the forum, does not affect us in the least

us laughing all the time :D
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on December 02, 2013, 02:22:10 pm
Yeah shit I'm sorry dude, I forgot that reporting makes a thread for everyone to see lol........
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on December 02, 2013, 02:24:19 pm
lol, we do not care in a permanent ban, there is a life outside, apart from the forum, does not affect us in the least

us laughing all the time :D
Dude c'mon, you're a contributor to the forum, the pocket Gouki project is cool and you are capable of so much more than being a petty asshole. The other guy who spammed porn everywhere had some decent spritework as well. Don't ruin it all so you can get your kicks off spamming hardcore porn and le memes like its 2004.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Extasis- on December 02, 2013, 02:27:04 pm
lol, we do not care in a permanent ban, there is a life outside, apart from the forum, does not affect us in the least

us laughing all the time :D
Dude c'mon, you're a contributor to the forum, the pocket Gouki project is cool and you are capable of so much more than being a petty asshole. The other guy who spammed porn everywhere had some decent spritework as well. Don't ruin it all so you can get your kicks off spamming hardcore porn and le memes like its 2004.
I did nothing
just mention it, I thank you, what they think of me and my work
I'm a friend who did, either I'll give back
That is not in my honor
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on December 02, 2013, 02:28:32 pm
Hey dumbass, "buh my friend did it not me lolololel" makes you sound like a goddamn retard. Get a life with the ban im giving you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on December 02, 2013, 02:30:53 pm
So is the justification for that ban that he brought his friend here to do it

Actually nvm that would be obvious
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on December 02, 2013, 02:31:52 pm
I dont need no justification! >:C
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on December 02, 2013, 02:33:16 pm
id daresay you are the justification
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: chanchan on December 02, 2013, 02:48:17 pm
Hey dumbass, "buh my friend did it not me lolololel" makes you sound like a goddamn retard. Get a life with the ban im giving you.

hey xD, You can ban the time you want
but I can also go back whenever I want

besides that I must finish the gouki , I will continue posting there asshole xD
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on December 02, 2013, 02:51:43 pm
Then you should tell you bot-friend that finish their incomplete pocket stuff instead of spread love to Alex in the whole forum (his Kratos is very unfinished, for example)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on December 02, 2013, 02:53:02 pm
This whole banning thing never works out

We need to install a rehab facility for shitposting and stop it at the source
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Thedge on December 02, 2013, 02:54:00 pm
I can ban that idiot all day long.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 02, 2013, 02:55:43 pm
hey xD, You can ban the time you want
but I can also go back whenever I want

So you're going to be an internet warrior for the next who knows how long... good luck with that. :laugh4:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on December 02, 2013, 02:57:54 pm
hey xD, You can ban the time you want
but I can also go back whenever I want
lol, we do not care in a permanent ban, there is a life outside, apart from the forum
Enjoy your life outside internet :cawg:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on December 02, 2013, 03:03:40 pm
the mods wouldnt permaban you anyway even if you ddosed this place you know what they are like

why do you think robotmonkeyhead got ten hundred last chances anyhow?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: gooleeeoka on December 02, 2013, 03:13:18 pm
Then you should tell you bot-friend that finish their incomplete pocket stuff instead of spread love to Alex in the whole forum (his Kratos is very unfinished, for example)

Could you tell me exactly who are you?, I do not remember seeing before and to me you have to say, what I have and do not have to do with my projects, that is something that does not concern you at all. Also, as I said the kratos from the beginning was an old sheet I made when I was just a beginner, never said I would end because I have no time to mugen and would be a waste not to share, if I was not going to end.

The posting pornography did nothing but to laugh you can see it as an act of immaturity or a moment of mindless fuck, I leave to your judgment. At the end of the day is the internet, nothing happens here affects me in real life, to me is nothing more than a time to fuck senseless to laugh a while.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on December 02, 2013, 03:19:40 pm
Oh, so you're not a bot as I thought, good to know :P
Do you see the world globe below the avatar?? That's your website if you post some in your profile. In your first massive forum trolling, I wanted to know who was the guy who did that, then I went to your website and I saw your (very incomplete) stuff for MUGEN. In a beginning I liked your projects, but then after see none of them are advanced nor finished + your behavior here, dissapointed me a lot and I stopped to care about you. At least your friend is making something concrete with his Gouki

At the end of the day is the internet, nothing happens here affects me in real life
ORLY?? Then why do you answer me about your abandoned stuff if this is internet, huh?? I thought you've no interest in this forum more than "a good laugh"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 02, 2013, 03:21:10 pm
Could you tell me exactly who are you?, I do not remember seeing before and to me you have to say, what I have and do not have to do with my projects, that is something that does not concern you at all. Also, as I said the kratos from the beginning was an old sheet I made when I was just a beginner, never said I would end because I have no time to mugen and would be a waste not to share, if I was not going to end.

The posting pornography did nothing but to laugh you can see it as an act of immaturity or a moment of mindless fuck, I leave to your judgment. At the end of the day is the internet, nothing happens here affects me in real life, to me is nothing more than a time to fuck senseless to laugh a while.

You're sure making a big deal about the internet. ::)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on December 02, 2013, 03:26:55 pm
Good that i had some popcorn  still
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: FirePony on December 02, 2013, 03:39:30 pm
Those kids are awesome. :D
People are so stupid, I can't understand what they got in head.
Wind, maybe?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on December 02, 2013, 04:26:53 pm
:)

There are better ways to use time. All of this pointless arguing over, what, a report? Come on.

Was there a reason to spam things (a meme and a porn pic) in topics where I never posted? Is that how you cry for attention?
I should do the same for my wips then, but you know what? I won't do that because I respect the others and this forum as a whole.
And I respect you too. You can change.

If you want to act like that, I think you can do it elsewhere.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on December 02, 2013, 04:47:07 pm
Just ignore him, seriously. GMods and Admins can easily ban his new accounts, and since banning one takes less time than creating it, it's a matter of time of not giving him any attention until he gets bored.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on December 02, 2013, 07:32:04 pm
Agreed with PermaBan
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DAN_HIBIKI on December 02, 2013, 08:09:14 pm
Yeah, checked up Report section. There was a threads called... You seen it, you know it, i don't have to tell it. And a similar post in thread "Ash Crimson released".

It was very, VERY unexpected for me that someone will hating Alex. Because he's AWESOME, and his released are like a born of the star!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 02, 2013, 08:11:00 pm
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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Warden-San on December 02, 2013, 08:15:30 pm
Let us all have a moment of silence for the end of Alex's days of being uninsulted.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on December 02, 2013, 08:20:52 pm
Agreed with permaban and plus one to Caddie for having a good head on his shoulders.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on December 02, 2013, 08:24:42 pm
People really should be more tactful while trying to insult someone. *sigh*

The original action deserved a long ban but not permanent, but if he keeps creating accounts mindlessly then permaban.   lol, just read the "spamming the whole board with porn" part. Yeah, he is done :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on December 02, 2013, 09:01:41 pm
Why hasen't the "Alex Suck My Dick" Posts been deleted yet?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on December 02, 2013, 09:05:23 pm
... Which one ? If you think the staff missed one, you should post the link. Or report it.
Unless you like to say "hey, you missed a spot" and laugh while watching them search the entire board upside-down frantically until they find the one post :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on December 02, 2013, 09:10:10 pm
Man, I missed all the porn!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on December 02, 2013, 09:10:40 pm
cleaned the three you pointed out quickfist
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on December 02, 2013, 09:12:59 pm
I was just about to post the links, good that you Ninja'd it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on December 02, 2013, 09:30:06 pm
Because he's AWESOME, and his released are like a born of the star!
My released what?
I released two or three things here, and all my rips. Are you referring to those?
Hmmm... were you ironic?
Man, I missed all the porn!
:XD:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 02, 2013, 10:47:52 pm
how did posts go undeleted, isn't there a "delete all posts" option. isn't it there if you delete the account. what the fuck
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on December 02, 2013, 10:51:51 pm
his account wasnt deleted, it wasnt an alternate account.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 02, 2013, 11:33:07 pm
One of you want to clean the reports out? There's still a lot of links to porn and porn loading as images in there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on December 02, 2013, 11:40:36 pm
i will hit it up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on December 03, 2013, 12:05:55 am
should be fine now.
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/butthurt-r-us-v2-154672.0.html
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Erroratu on December 03, 2013, 12:28:10 am
-ALex suck my dick
-No DL link?
-Its a project

K
(Yes,i know.Still funny to me)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 06:43:55 am
You don't need to go after EVERY POST a spammer makes guys, holy shit.

and to think I liked mgm's stuff in 2010.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 03, 2013, 06:47:39 am
His stuff is/was interesting... that doesn't mean he's immune from being a deranged idiot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 06:48:41 am
By reporting his spam en masse, you are reposting his spam.

This is why you don't report bots too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on December 03, 2013, 06:52:56 am
Not reporting them kinda defeats the purpose and only delays the cleanup process, unless you strictly mean like 200+ posts from the same guy, which hes doing regardless (on multiple accounts within a 10 minute window as well). Not so sure if the hostility from you and Jmorph was warranted but I can understand your positions.

I'm assuming we'll have a separate thread for these kinds of reports like the bot thread? Makes sense imo. Or do we just use this one?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on December 03, 2013, 06:53:25 am
And now another alt account and with more porn
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 06:54:08 am
Just PM the account to jmorph/whoever's there and tell them about it.

You're basically reposting the spam/porn in the reports forum by mass reporting it, which THAT has to be cleaned up on top of the existing mess.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on December 03, 2013, 06:55:36 am
I can see all their posts. I don't need you to report them, or tell me about the accounts. All reporting does is make more work for me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on December 03, 2013, 06:56:58 am
You're basically reposting the spam/porn in the reports forum by mass reporting it, which THAT has to be cleaned up on top of the existing mess.

Already got that much.

Oh and for the record, the deleted posts still contain the porn images unless that's currently being taken care of as I'm typing this.

EDIT: Looks like Jmorph just took care of it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 06:57:33 am
At this point it'd be better to just 100% axe the accounts.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 03, 2013, 06:58:34 am
What a pain.

So when will this loser be bored or whatever? -_-
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on December 03, 2013, 06:59:51 am
As soon as we IP ban him? (if thats even possible)

Granted there's always proxies, but then it becomes a question of if he's smart enough to use them.

I still don't even understand WHY he's doing this or what he hopes to accomplish aside from wasting everyone's time including his own.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Watta on December 03, 2013, 07:01:05 am
Yeah, they're still there. The new account (cocodriloviolador) still has them on his posts

blahblahblah

Is he using different IPS addresses or something?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 03, 2013, 07:02:02 am
He got IP banned already.

This isn't a big deal... just bad timing (more like he chose this time). As soon as Jmorphman has help, this will get cleaned quickly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 07:02:39 am
Probably. Either he's hacked (doubt it) or he's just flipped his mind for some reason. He was an ok stagemaker in 2010 (he was actually one of my preferred ones) but after this? Yeah, fuck no.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on December 03, 2013, 07:06:49 am
Well there was RobotMonkeyHead. It happened once before, whats to stop it from happening again (like right now)?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Luis Alejandro on December 03, 2013, 07:08:34 am
lets not forget glb when he threw that tantrum over motvn

and its funny because his avatar was changed to that crying baby picture hmmm
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 07:09:46 am
RMH and by extension Maverik didn't do their methods in this sort of way. They did them in the more "I'm going to argue with you forever!" way.

lets not forget glb when he threw that tantrum over motvn

I wanted to forget about that. >:(

I actually had to get Tamez unbanned because of that too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on December 03, 2013, 07:10:30 am
Please don't report porn through reports. Post a link here or something instead.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on December 03, 2013, 07:11:27 am
WTF is going on! massive spam...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 07:12:07 am
Read the thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 03, 2013, 07:14:08 am
WTF is going on! massive spam...

Short story,
- Alex S. reported -Exasis-
- 'Exasis' IQ dropped 1000%
- Promises to destroy the Guild.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Watta on December 03, 2013, 07:15:00 am
and spams everything with annoying baby pictures and porn
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on December 03, 2013, 07:15:34 am
WTF is going on! massive spam...

Short story,
- Alex S. reported -Exasis-
- 'Exasis' IQ dropped 1000%
- Promises to destroy the Guild.

That's pretty much it, don't forget his buddy Mgmnx
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 07:16:24 am
I think the baby picture is actually a wordfilter taking out most of the porn. It's not a very good filter though since it takes up just as much space.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vgma2 on December 03, 2013, 07:16:29 am
They're throwing a tantrum over what again?
Having been caught red-handed for being an attention whore?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on December 03, 2013, 07:16:36 am
It was a 2 idiot combo (-Extasis- and mgnmzz). I don´t know what happened. What triggered this reaction, it´s so stupid.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vgma2 on December 03, 2013, 07:17:28 am
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/projects-re-destroyed-namek-v2-1-1-155430.0.html (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/projects-re-destroyed-namek-v2-1-1-155430.0.html)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on December 03, 2013, 07:17:44 am
Jesus christ... well at least its happening late at night in most parts, sorry for reporting the porno...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vgma2 on December 03, 2013, 07:18:29 am
After that, they turned into worthless pieces of shit.
This isn't the first time either.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 07:24:17 am
You can't even get his stuff anymore. Oh well, not much of a loss now. Not worth downloading from an idiot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on December 03, 2013, 07:40:24 am
:brood:

fuck these dummies

if somehow we have missed a post please report it here (don't use the report button, just link it here, or PM someone IDK), but I dunno how that could happen. Nevertheless, better safe than sorry.

how did posts go undeleted, isn't there a "delete all posts" option. isn't it there if you delete the account. what the fuck
For gmods, at least, it doesn't work unless the account has less than 10 posts. Which really sucks, but I suppose it makes sense.

At this point it'd be better to just 100% axe the accounts.
That's what we were planning on doing. And now it's done.

As soon as we IP ban him? (if thats even possible)
He/they are using proxies.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 03, 2013, 07:40:59 am
Still a post in the EF-12 thread. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/project-ef12-a-free-customizable-3d-fighting-game-engine-153936.msg1872424.html#msg1872424)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vgma2 on December 03, 2013, 07:42:30 am
Dang, you guys are quick.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on December 03, 2013, 11:15:00 am
-ALex suck my dick
-No DL link?
-Its a project

K
(Yes,i know.Still funny to me)
:mmhmm:

By the way, for anyone curious, it was his Destroyed Namek v2 revamp of his stage. I was hoping for an update and I see Extasis always said the same thing. So I reported him (also because he did a necro, I didn't report him the other times he did bump the topic for nothing, notice that). ngmngmsx (I don't even care about his name) thought I was against him, so he defended him in a very "clever" way, and the rest is history.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Websta on December 03, 2013, 11:28:09 am
In short. It's all your fault :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Dj Soniic on December 03, 2013, 12:04:30 pm
who are you?, do not know who are trying, DJ SONIC THE FORUM ADMINISTRATOR LARGEST MUGEN
with my power, I say retired that ban, or if not die

NOPE

you know what you are facing I will continue uploading videos if they want to watch them on my channel

NOPE

yes movies for all,

NOPE

bye niggas I will return for we confirm that everything has been settled we are in contact

dj sonic retires
argentina live

banned to kusanagi
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Watta on December 03, 2013, 12:37:46 pm
Wut.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on December 03, 2013, 12:45:21 pm
What the hell?
No, Dj Sonic, you don't know anything of what happpened. They started being against me.

I'll check if it is really you.
I'm waiting your PM in Mugen Generations. It will be all clear once I get it.

---
Dj Soniic, you post in the same style as Extasis, how strange. ::)
Try to hide better next time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MrChris on December 03, 2013, 12:51:58 pm
:koolyeam:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on December 03, 2013, 12:58:13 pm
Try to make sense.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on December 03, 2013, 12:59:56 pm
(http://mugenguild.com/forum/Themes/mfg/images/flags/Algeria.png)
(http://mugenguild.com/forum/Themes/mfg/images/flags/Algeria.png)

I dunno, maybe I'm just getting paranoid.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on December 03, 2013, 01:03:24 pm
Dj Sonic, no sorry, Dj Soniic is Argentinian (he says so), like the original Dj Sonic I know from Mugen Generations.
I don't think he is waly066 (the one you quoted).

I think he is one of those two guys. I think Dj Sonic would never post like that.
---
By the way, it's Extasis. I don't need the PM.
Hahah, he made his videos private. :XD:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on December 03, 2013, 01:07:05 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/area.summary;u=32536

Judging by post history, yeah nah I don't think this DJ Sonic is the same as that guy up there ^
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on December 03, 2013, 01:07:49 pm
It's like LordSinistro of here that has nothing to do with the brazilian creator :llama:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 04:41:55 pm
That was 100% not DJ Sonic. That was the same posting style these two Chileans have been using.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on December 03, 2013, 04:49:53 pm
Yep, OG is right (http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/area.showposts;u=32536)

It's another clone of mgnxmxnxmgxxxnmgxhmmm and Crack Extasis. Ban him now
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 03, 2013, 04:53:39 pm
he was banned already
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 04:56:04 pm
Yeah, I 'spose I'm just beating a dead horse at this point. Kinda saw the posts not the times. <_<
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on December 03, 2013, 04:58:43 pm
Its okay, vigilance is key

You never know where Chile will strike next
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on December 03, 2013, 05:10:14 pm
:doom:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on December 03, 2013, 05:29:02 pm
I edited my other posts. Extasis did it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Watta on December 03, 2013, 06:02:09 pm
Damn, that guy actually has the time to make multiple accounts and post all this shit ._.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 06:03:14 pm
That's what we call tryhards.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vgma2 on December 03, 2013, 07:12:32 pm
The guy's falling further down to the level of impersonation now?
I'm not sure how to feel anymore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 03, 2013, 07:26:10 pm
Don't... he's only as important as you feel about it.

Which for me, is not at all (I got shit in real life to worry about).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on December 04, 2013, 06:17:59 am
damn it!

i missed all the fun (again)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 04, 2013, 06:28:35 am
It was just pointless spam. Of porn. And quite frankly if you wanted porn there are far better places for it than guild.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on December 05, 2013, 05:18:36 am
yeah now that i had a time to check what happened i realized i didn't missed much
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on December 11, 2013, 08:00:33 pm
Ban the mothafocka!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on December 13, 2013, 06:16:30 pm
Vitor/mugenwip and Hephaistos had a row in Squallsoft's Custom Portrait thread (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/squallsofts-custom-portrait-thread-mugen-1-0-1-1-155797.0.html) he made just for his topics.

After that Vitor changed/added to his signature a flamebait image and offended the french guy with a PM. You can see it in the second page.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: FirePony on December 13, 2013, 06:31:16 pm
Thanks, Alex! Just PM'ed Jmorphman for it with details.
God..
The thing is that I'm REALLY sorry for squallsoft which is making his best to release portraits. -__-'
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on December 13, 2013, 07:38:04 pm
Just wanted to say I have no idea what happened with that report. Every time I tried sending it through, my page would get hung up and it wouldn't load the confirmation page. I worried that might happen, but I checked the report section each time to make sure it didn't post before trying to resubmit it. After the fifth or so time of trying to submit the report and getting nothing, I just gave up and went to bed. Just wanted to make it clear I didn't mean to report the same thing 5 times.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on December 13, 2013, 07:55:53 pm
There was this weird spike in the forum last night around that time and a bunch of people's posts got posted several times. And it doesn't show up in their post history like that. It was very strange.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on December 13, 2013, 07:57:12 pm
It seems there's a change in the Matrix
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: FirePony on December 14, 2013, 10:47:08 am
As I didn't received any answers from Jmorphman, someone can do something? This man continues his stupid game?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on December 14, 2013, 11:01:42 am
There was this weird spike in the forum last night around that time and a bunch of people's posts got posted several times. And it doesn't show up in their post history like that. It was very strange.

I mentioned that problem 8 weeks ago already..happend multiple times. But nobody cares in the valodim thread it seems.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vicmugen on December 14, 2013, 11:52:11 am
So ... someone call  me a thief, a stupid kid, a worthless trash cuz i dont have teh Big STAR,and i cant defend myself ?
Anyway  i PM Jmorphan and Person man trying to solve this, not like that user who seems is enjoying this and playing the victim!

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: FirePony on December 14, 2013, 11:54:44 am
Man you don't understand.
We all see here what you are trying to do.
Just let them the time to act.

We had last months kids that was acting EXACTLY as you. So you fool nobody here. Be sure of that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on December 14, 2013, 11:54:45 am
Actually what.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on December 14, 2013, 12:45:47 pm
No offense Hephaistos31 but you kind of started it.
i dont care anyway i make good ones for my personal use.

So go with your awesome portraits. :D And don't fucking ask those type of request if you don't care. This is with people like you my work is now private.
You took one line of that long post and made a big deal of it, took the suggestion he had and got the thread derailed, if you had left it alone Vitor would have had no reason to reply back as he knew his suggestion wasn't going to be acknowledged much and he would have stopped.

You two are arguing over the most basic and simple stuff possible in Mugen, don't act like you're superior over another just because one can index better than the other. Also stop trying to belittle others over a stupid star, it really has no real meaning to it.

Vitor, about "defending yourself", just don't, don't waste your time defending your image to a faceless nobody on the internet. You end up looking worse than you did before and you just create pointless "drama". A better man will acknowledge when its right to just stop and cease any further issues and conflicts.

Can someone clean up that thread by the way? It's completely derailed from what the OP wanted to have it for.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on December 14, 2013, 01:04:16 pm
Vitor, about "defending yourself", just don't, don't waste your time defending your image to a faceless nobody on the internet. You end up looking worse than you did before and you just create pointless "drama".
No, that's just wrong. Defending oneself isn't a bad thing. It's the way Vitor did it that was insane. Hephaistos has a responsibility in it, but Vitor did fly off the handle like a lunatic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: FirePony on December 14, 2013, 01:16:16 pm
Lithium Flower: So for you, the fact that this man ask for something that is USELESS, and nonsense like opening a new thread regrouping works of other guys which as me DON'T WANT (I don't know about the others but I take my case), and at the end says clearly fuck  off my work is better (because he doesn't get whant he wants) but he never released something, you think this is a normal behaviour.

Awesome.
Plus, did I insulted him by PM? no.
Dis I told he is a thief? no.
Did I made a retard sign to say that he his a pussy? no.
Did I changed my avatar to put something that clearly demonstrate that he continue his asshole behaviour with his "big nose" stuff? no.

I edited my posts as much as I could to not make it continue. I hope you are not blind at this point.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on December 14, 2013, 01:21:14 pm
Don't put words he didn't say in his mouth. You both were (And are) acting really stupid. You both should just cut it out and move on. Damage is done already so the best thing to do is ignore each other and mind your own business.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: FirePony on December 14, 2013, 01:24:15 pm
this shit, acusing me of trying to steal his ports,

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 14, 2013, 01:26:20 pm
Honestly, it would have been better to just leave Vitor alone (after he said that he was leaving). Clearly he wasn't interested anymore, so he likely would've left the thread on his own.

I can understand wanting to speak your mind, but sometimes it's just not worth responding (especially for people who you feel aren't worth it).

And stars are a bunch of shit. I had a red star before. :coolface:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: FirePony on December 14, 2013, 01:27:46 pm
It's simple. I'll never come back in MFG anymore.
I'm done with kids. If you all like them all, then stay with them.
I wish you the best, guys.

Mugen forever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on December 14, 2013, 01:29:49 pm
What he requested isn't useless, he wanted to have the ports in one place so it's easier for less active users to find what they need faster and more efficiently. I never really saw him say "my work is better", he said the ones he does are already good enough for him, I don't know why this offended your macho portrait making skills but okay!

As for the rest of what you said, I mean that first page, those first few posts, not replying to "I make good ones for my own personal use" would have been the better thing to do as he really doesn't seem like he had any real means of continuing. Guy seemed to have just admitted the fact that it wasn't going to happen, I don't see how what he was doing was whining because he "didn't get what he wanted",

Also I'm not taking sides, I'm calling you out because you're the one whom I think can handle the situation better than Vitor can. But as Navi said, let it go, go back to your threads.


Ugh.

Ugghh.

UUGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on December 14, 2013, 01:30:27 pm
sacrebleu!  :freak:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on December 14, 2013, 01:34:17 pm
Ragequits by the dozen as of late. Lovely.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on December 14, 2013, 01:36:45 pm
I need someone to hear me bitch.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on December 14, 2013, 01:37:02 pm
Get on Skype then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 14, 2013, 01:47:56 pm
It's simple. I'll never come back in MFG anymore.
I'm done with kids...

Not that I'm trying to get you to stay or anything, but you're really letting this one guy get to your head. :P

Shit's over. Ignore him; if he wants to keep dragging it on the mods will get him or something.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on December 14, 2013, 03:24:08 pm
Woah,

What happened here?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on December 14, 2013, 05:45:09 pm
The dude with the numbers in his name started some shit and the other guy overreacted in replying to him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 14, 2013, 06:09:58 pm
And Heph or w/e left because we didn't decide he's 100% right.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vicmugen on December 14, 2013, 06:20:58 pm
Well, i'm sorry for this trivial dick mesure took place ...i truly am! I am an adult and i should know better!
Thanks for some  of you guys that  posted here who understood my position, i exagerated a little bit either and i apologize for that!




Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on December 14, 2013, 06:34:40 pm
I don't know how admins would manage this, but I would make something salomonic with this: I would ban Hephaistos31 and Vitor both for a week and delete all their flamewar posts to clean that thread about portraits. Both are equally guilty for start and continue a flamebait in a post of someone else and derail the original purpose of the thread. And before you stated something about that, this was already did before with another similar case, so I don't think this should be different of the past one
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 14, 2013, 06:38:41 pm
I would ban neither one, they already learned their lesson (I think) and got a very nice full forum scolding.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 14, 2013, 06:47:36 pm
@Vitor
No problem... we all lose our lid at times.
At least you admitted your mistake (some people can be really stubborn and just can't accept being wrong).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on December 14, 2013, 07:55:27 pm
As I didn't received any answers from Jmorphman, someone can do something? This man continues his stupid game?
Sorry, was pretty busy. I posted in the Warnings thread so another mod could help out, but nothing happened. (Not that I should be surprised that nothing happened. >.>)

But it's a Friday night, people get busy. We all have got stuff to do, and so sometimes these things might take a while. It is now getting solved.

So that whole thead was a mess. You both behaved poorly, Vitor moreso. Vitor will be banned for three days. You won't, but you get an official warning not to do that kind of thing again. There. Problem solved.

or wait
It's simple. I'll never come back in MFG anymore.
I'm done with kids. If you all like them all, then stay with them.
I wish you the best, guys.

Mugen forever.
Why, exactly? Because Vitor wasn't immediately dealt with? See above, people have lives outside of the forums. Is it because people dared to suggest you had some role in the situation? Because that's true. You instigated the whole thing. Oxe and the rest are right. That doesn't mean we "like and want to stay with" kids, or whatever nonsense.

If you're seriously gonna leave simply because people don't agree with you 100%, then I don't think you're gonna find many places that won't invariably end with you leaving for similar reasons.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: FirePony on December 14, 2013, 08:26:39 pm
Let me explain my feelings, men.
First, Jmorphman, Thanks for moderate this stuff. As I told, you need time to act.
Plus I PMed and don't used the Report function. It was my bad, couldn't find this function.

Then about the fact I "instigated".
You guys are releasing stuff. In a place you choose. Why someone that you never seen would change it? Because he is too lazy to click on pages?
(please let me explain).
I think this is not normal that someone ask something like this. Squallsoft reaction was awesome, as he asked for PERMISSION.

Vitor's reaction, that was I don't care, "I can make enough good stuff for my personal use". Coming from a man that released 3 portraits, wich was not fantastic, this is strong.
Why he asked it, so?

The fact that someone that I don't know, that barely made portraits, or even participate for MFG will tell me where to put my work. Or even trying to do it without my permission. No. I'm sorry, NO. The "purple" star stuff was only a misunderstanding.

And after all, I admit that I pushed a little at the beginning. Well I'm like that.

But did I insulted him by PM, trolling him personnaly with pictures like that???? Or even my sign??NO. The only think I had in mind is that I was trying to edit my older posts to limit the proliferation in Squallsoft page.

For me, the real problem here is that everyone who posted here was ok with this Troll. In my opinion this is not acceptable.

Come on. How many people I helped with the portrait Making, as Saikoro and Da Hat Man helped me.
Yes, this is not chars like Infinite or Ex Shadow stages.
I, like some good friends now, have chosen this kind of stuff because WE LIKE IT. If we had spent 50% of the time we spent in portrait making, we could probably release some "better" content in your point of view. This is not what I want, that"s all.
Yes, Lithium, "my portraits will never be regreted".

Again, Jmorphman Thank you for the moderation.
and if those 3 days you was speaking are for the overhaul insults I took, well. The moderation is perfect for my eyes.

The fact that some people disagree with me is normal, as some of my words could be misunderstood. This is not why I'll leave this place.

The fact that some people here are ok with that troll atitude is just disgusting me to stay here more.



Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on December 14, 2013, 08:27:50 pm
I think my life exists both inside here (20% of the time) and the Gym (80% of the time).

Seriously though...

It's nice to see Vitor say this:

Well, i'm sorry for this trivial dick mesure took place ...i truly am! I am an adult and i should know better!
Thanks for some  of you guys that  posted here who understood my position, i exagerated a little bit either and i apologize for that!

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on December 14, 2013, 08:29:31 pm
Again, Jmorphman Thank you for the moderation.
and if those 3 days you was speaking are for the overhaul insults I took, well.
They were. That kind of thing is absolutely unacceptable and we won't tolerate that kind of behavior.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: FirePony on December 14, 2013, 08:31:09 pm
Thank you, Jmorphman. A lot.
Have a nice day, guys!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 14, 2013, 08:37:46 pm
Honestly, Heph didn't do anything wrong in particular... he was just defending his work from someone who was minimizing his efforts (most people here I believe would do the same thing). His words were a bit harsh, but certainly not enough to provoke the reaction afterwards.

Hopefully we're all past this now.

I wish I had money to go to the gym.
Ah well... nothing like good old pushups and bike riding.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on December 31, 2013, 10:54:25 am
hey gbk its maverik
from ben187
to Reinhold-Hoffmann
"for some reason my account was banned from mugenguild? could you inform the admins of this? I'm hoping it was some mistake? any way see whats up.

thanks
"

Got that note 3 hours ago on deviantART from ben /maverik's account. Was he banned here again?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on December 31, 2013, 11:12:17 am
My guess is that his alt account was merged to the main one, and the ban on the latter took over. It's removed now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on January 05, 2014, 06:49:24 pm
Congrats JnP, for your promotion
Also, what happened Caddie? Why are you leaving?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 05, 2014, 06:59:15 pm
It's been good having you, Caddie. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on January 05, 2014, 07:21:54 pm
He's always had issues whenever he's tried to make any decision, there mostly was a lot of disagreement with the way he went about things. That's my assumption, take care Cad.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on January 05, 2014, 07:33:56 pm
That's dissapointing... that said, does that mean Shamrock will really be back?
He's still around afaik. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 05, 2014, 07:48:09 pm
Let's not bring Shamrock back. That guy was exactly what we don't want on staff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 05, 2014, 08:37:09 pm
Congrats JnP, for your promotion
Also, what happened Caddie? Why are you leaving?

caddie wont be around for a while due to some rl problems and decided to remove from staff of his own volition.

What lithium said is also not untrue, but it was the merge of both those things that made him decide to stop being admin.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on January 05, 2014, 08:47:57 pm
Ah alright, thanks Iced.
That's dissapointing... that said, does that mean Shamrock will really be back?
He's still around afaik. :P
But he hasn't been a mod for a long time though. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on January 06, 2014, 02:09:28 am
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1872602
this thread is utterly useless. it's a sticky in the reports board. like most users even check that shit. how about putting a "please dont report bots. post them in this thread (link to thread) instead" message on the page that shows up when you're reporting something
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on January 06, 2014, 02:28:49 am
That's a good idea but I looked all over and cannot find the field to edit the message for Reports.
@iced: have you seen it?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on January 07, 2014, 04:56:59 am
Looks like that message is hard coded. We would need Val to make a mod so we can edit the message.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 08, 2014, 07:11:46 pm
this shouldnt need a warning, but im going to post it anyway.
Any fake emails are going to be disabled.  We have been doing that for a long while.
( im noticing people registering with fake emails to then finding out that they cant post )
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on January 29, 2014, 07:28:44 pm
Congratulations to Sai for becoming a new G-Mod!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 29, 2014, 08:05:58 pm
Saikoro's a good man. Hope he does well. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on January 29, 2014, 08:12:53 pm
Congratulations to Sai for becoming a new G-Mod!

Saikoro's a good man. Hope he does well. :)

Thanks guys!! I am truly honored by the invite and are very proud to be a part of the staff. :lugoi:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on January 29, 2014, 08:47:28 pm
Lemme give you a hug and hope you do good here and shit
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on January 29, 2014, 08:55:12 pm
Congrats Saiko
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on January 29, 2014, 09:03:58 pm
Look @TempesT, your boyfriend is finally a gmod!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 29, 2014, 11:07:07 pm
Wow holy shit a Gmod I'm friends with.

Congrats on the position, Sai, something tells me you'll do hella on the job.

EDIT: ...And while I typed that up I got the position. Hella.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: jaede_ on January 29, 2014, 11:09:19 pm
Congratulations on your new position, Xan!! And hope everything goes well under it!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 29, 2014, 11:10:39 pm
the strongest user becoming a gmod. that would make him the strongest gmod!

congratulations saikoro. now next time we get another internet though guy (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1895756) messing around we'll just call you to deal with him
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mechy on January 29, 2014, 11:17:11 pm
congratulations saikoro
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on January 29, 2014, 11:32:30 pm
Congrats to Saikoro and the one who name I never keep up with CAN... you guys deserve it. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on January 29, 2014, 11:41:34 pm
Grats C.A.N, Don't harm us too much.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on January 29, 2014, 11:47:10 pm
Congrats guys, you'll make the place more pleasant to be around for more newbies.

So like since we got new mods would we like.. do that deal I suggested with MC2??? I MEAN COME ON IT'S TIME FOR CHANGE GUYS
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 100_Sad_Pandas on January 30, 2014, 12:09:55 am
Congrats Saikoro.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on January 30, 2014, 12:24:10 am
I know I've pretty much only been coming here to sometimes post my opinion on video games (and you guys are an excellent news aggregator, I don't even look anywhere else anymore) but Saikoro and CAN are two of the most visible and personable people around here and I really can't think of people better to represent the community here.

Great choices, and congratulations to you both.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 30, 2014, 12:27:55 am
Thanks for the encouragement. It really helps. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on January 30, 2014, 12:44:54 am
Eeeeeehhhhhhh yeah, what the hell is going on?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempestSageJDJ on January 30, 2014, 12:48:52 am
Congrats Xan, and Sai!

Do a good job guys! ^^
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on January 30, 2014, 12:50:23 am
Um... I'm curious. Is there a thread that specifies requirements for becoming a staff member? I'd very much like to read up on that. Or do other staff members just pick who they want/think should be there?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 30, 2014, 12:54:04 am
There's no real criteria. It's all suggestion and discussion.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on January 30, 2014, 12:58:04 am
Be honest, you opened one of these and won the gmod position at the guild. It all makes sense now!

(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Sealed-1980s-Coca-Cola-Win-In-Can-With-Prize-Still-Inside-Money-T-Shirt-Coke-/00/s/ODMyWDUxMg==/z/wUgAAMXQJK1SMM9w/$(KGrHqNHJE!FIijjZnU7BSMM9v63q!~~60_35.JPG)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 30, 2014, 12:59:43 am
Oh shit, my secret's out. I must silence the nonbelievers and go mad with powah~!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on January 30, 2014, 01:01:55 am
Next time I would actually like to make a thread asking who would want to be a mod. I was going to do that this time but we had a certain trait we were looking for and that was very active and community oriented users. We had more names but decided to just add 2 at most. Saik and CAN seemed to be the most active and driven.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on January 30, 2014, 01:02:29 am
Where is it discussed/suggested then? Because I'd really like to read up on what's been going on in said thread recently.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on January 30, 2014, 01:03:38 am
The secret staff lounge with coffee and rocket lawnchairs.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Tyrant Belial on January 30, 2014, 01:05:10 am
Sounds quaint.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on January 30, 2014, 01:06:29 am
This one we kept in private. We can be a bit blunt on why we agree or disagree on users and we don't want to make high expectations for someone not to get it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on January 30, 2014, 01:14:23 am
Wow, awesome news!! Congrats Sai and CAN :D I feel very happy for you, I know you'll do a good job as Gmods ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 30, 2014, 04:08:33 am
sai has this atribute that I have seen mostly in Iced and it is encouraging users, not helping per se, which other staff members do better; but just encourage users to keep on doing mugen stuff.

     Posted: January 30, 2014, 04:15:36 am
while we are still talking about staff. how many staff members from europe are left ? I think we don't have any east asia staff member but we don't have mny east asia users anyway so that's not a bother.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 30, 2014, 05:08:58 am
now, i know how this is going to sound but can anyone remind who the bloody hell can is? (i'm being serious here)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on January 30, 2014, 05:10:48 am
I find Sai as a gmod really appropiate, he is a great guy that encourages people to do stuff. CAN decision was severely circumstancial. But whatever, I don´t care. If they do a good job and don´t abuse their powers while doing bad decisions is alright in my book.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on January 30, 2014, 05:14:17 am
now, i know how this is going to sound but can anyone remind who the bloody hell can is? (i'm being serious here)

I guess a serious question calls for a serious answer. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/area.summary;u=80090)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 30, 2014, 05:19:43 am
now, i know how this is going to sound but can anyone remind who the bloody hell can is? (i'm being serious here)
shut up lesbian !
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on January 30, 2014, 05:40:07 am
I find Sai as a gmod really appropiate, he is a great guy that encourages people to do stuff. CAN decision was severely circumstancial. But whatever, I don´t care. If they do a good job and don´t abuse their powers while doing bad decisions is alright in my book.
I found CAN a better choice because I know he'll do work and check up on things more...

And hopefully he won't mess up simple things like COTM star :^)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on January 30, 2014, 05:44:20 am
I will murder your entire family.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on January 30, 2014, 05:44:54 am
I´m talking more about attitude rather than activity really. If it was for activity I know many people that could be up to the task. Not saying that CAN lacks it but with Sai it is pretty notorious. I have faith in that guy.

And hopefully he won't mess up simple things like COTM star :^)

Impossible, everyone misses that at least twice :smug:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on January 30, 2014, 05:48:58 am
Both Sai and CAN are good choices and I support them 100%, as Maximillian said, Saikoro has this thing of always encouraging people, hell I get down often and his words has made my day before, and CAN's feedback is very, very valuable and has helped me a lot! And this has been the case for many other users as well, we need a "good cop" kind of mod, which would be Sai, and a smart and (in the good way) cold mod, CAN of course.
I'm sure they'll do a good work.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 30, 2014, 07:50:15 am
shut up lesbian !
yes mistress...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vgma2 on January 30, 2014, 08:59:22 am
Congrats to Sai and CAN!
I believe that the both of them are very good choices for Gmods.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on January 30, 2014, 09:52:58 am

congratulations saikoro. now next time we get another internet though guy (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1895756) messing around we'll just call you to deal with him

It's funny you mention that because I already *almost* said something but Jmorphman already chimed in a few posts before. I think the presence of one mod was enough.

And thanks for all of your support guys. I really can't put into words how honored I am to be given this responsibility. I'll surely strive to do my best at all times. These cyborg implants formerly known as eyes will keep on the lookout for stray pixels on top of any riffraff.


Both Sai and CAN are good choices and I support them 100%, as Maximillian said, Saikoro has this thing of always encouraging people, hell I get down often and his words has made my day before, and CAN's feedback is very, very valuable and has helped me a lot! And this has been the case for many other users as well, we need a "good cop" kind of mod, which would be Sai, and a smart and (in the good way) cold mod, CAN of course.
I'm sure they'll do a good work.

Watching Lethal Weapon, I was always more of a Riggs fan. E.G. The crazy and stern cop. While I am always more of a good cop I do have my moments. ;D



Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Watta on January 30, 2014, 11:54:54 am
blahblahblahpointlesshitblahblah

I hope you get Gmod one day, I need someone to tell me all the MFG staff section secrets... :curtain:

Congrats to Sai and CAN. They should do a great job with Sai and his postiveness and CAN with his stern prowess :freak:
Of course, none of your blue stars shall ever compare to my gay super member star :smug:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on January 30, 2014, 12:30:17 pm
now, i know how this is going to sound but can anyone remind who the bloody hell can is? (i'm being serious here)

I only remember him as the guy who used to pretend to be a girl who checked my entire post history when I came back and whose's mugen feedback was pretty... ehhhhh there's no nice way to put that here lol. I hope he's faaaaaar better at the latter nowadays. It's been a year or so since all of that happened.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on January 30, 2014, 08:18:58 pm
blahblahblahpointlesshitblahblah

I hope you get Gmod one day, I need someone to tell me all the MFG staff section secrets... :curtain:

When your posts stop being bad.

Oh.

Snap.

Crackle.

Pop.

Bitch.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on February 07, 2014, 10:19:36 pm
(http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt305/cci_walt/Fags_zpsc0a15a22.png)

There seems to be a mob mentality that Jz is MFG's #1 Public Enemy. These posts reflect a negative pre-disposition by the Staff towards his actions. The original "fags" post comes from the fact that the conversation about Vans' "WLS Contest Winner Star" became a subject of discussion, being irrelevant and arbitraty. Vans is one of Jz's best friends, so in the attacking of his friend, he fired back.

Not cryptic like Saikoro suggested, nothing to do with moving on from the past like Person Man suggested.

He could definitely tone down on the aggression, but it's nowhere nearly as disrupting as it's being made out to be. Specially when the original subject of discussion (The fuck you in the readmes, the triggers) wasn't even brought up by him. He's pretty much entitled to put whatever he wants in the files he uploads into his server, as long as there's no malware in them.

Hell, kinda like what happened with Sean's Paypal account (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/paypal-has-restricted-my-account-because-what-i-do-here-157230.0.html), it would be a non-issue if not by a whistleblower trying to affect negatively the person in question. It had to be dug up, reaching for conflict deep in the barrel's bottom.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 07, 2014, 10:20:42 pm
I didn't really perceive it as an attack. My reply more or less meant "Man, you guys are taking the fun out of this ;_;"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on February 07, 2014, 10:24:18 pm
I didn't really perceive it as an attack. My reply more or less meant "Man, you guys are taking the fun out of this ;_;"
People don't seem to perceive fun the same way as you do. Not in MFG, not these days anyway.

Things have changed man, nothing is as loose as it used to be back in the day. This isn't the MFG that Sepp imagined or fought for. There's no self moderation, there's no "let it be, it really can't be THAT bad".

These dudes are banning people left and right for the stupidest things these days. They'll find a way if they really want to ban you. It's not worth it, don't give them any more reasons.

I'm pretty sure anybody and everybody has a lot more things to discuss that isn't mugen politics. Mugen Politics are stupid anyway.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on February 07, 2014, 10:24:55 pm
I didn't really perceive it as an attack. My reply more or less meant "Man, you guys are taking the fun out of this ;_;"
Yeah that's how I saw it too...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TTTTTsd on February 07, 2014, 10:29:41 pm
I didn't see it as anything really. At least nothing worth turning heads and getting worried about. Maybe I'm just too relaxed or standardized but, pleh.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 07, 2014, 10:33:14 pm
These dudes are banning people left and right for the stupidest things these days. They'll find a way if they really want to ban you. It's not worth it, don't give them any more reasons.
interesting, tell us about the latest bans that were set for stupid reasons, since it's happening left and right these days
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 07, 2014, 10:46:21 pm
Is it a bad thing to call out someone whos being a dick
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 07, 2014, 10:47:45 pm
How was I being a dick? I was being playful, again, casual. It's like you people didn't hang out with others in school.


Which I should have known better to do around here. Just ban me from all boards except the MUGEN and help sections, fighting games, graphic arts, and beyond MUGEN. Because I'm not disrupting anything MUGEN-related (which is the reason this forum was created), and I just want people to have fun with the engine and get the help they deserve.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on February 07, 2014, 10:50:00 pm
These dudes are banning people left and right for the stupidest things these days. They'll find a way if they really want to ban you. It's not worth it, don't give them any more reasons.
interesting, tell us about the latest bans that were set for stupid reasons, since it's happening left and right these days
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1897228

This was pretty stupid. I don't know if they deleted his post history, but he's being internet tough guy in only his last 2 posts. But yeah, Cyan Paul "wanting him gone", and Person Man calling the user a "shit lord" isn't exactly the level of seriousness I'd expect from a forum's administration. May be just my opinion, but the standards for moderation and staff these days are pretty low, here at MFG.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on February 07, 2014, 10:54:02 pm
I don't know if they deleted his post history, but he's being internet tough guy in only his last 2 posts.
... Uh ? I'm looking at his post history right now and he's being a dick for half of the posts he made that are more recent than 2 years. Judging from that, he was away for 2 years, came back to post a game, and halfway through it he became a complete dick. That's just one topic, but that's all of his activity that is more recent than 2 years. They said that because he completely broke down in the middle of that thread of his, in response to posts that seem pretty reasonable. I don't know about warnings and the length of the ban but he flew out of control there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 07, 2014, 10:56:31 pm
I agree the guy was a dick, but I think what Walt is trying to say is that the shittalking isn't really necessary. Just ban and be done with it. That's how I dealt with alexander4488.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on February 07, 2014, 11:00:29 pm
I don't know if they deleted his post history, but he's being internet tough guy in only his last 2 posts.
... Uh ? I'm looking at his post history right now and he's being a dick for half of the posts he made that are more recent than 2 years. Judging from that, he was away for 2 years, came back to post a game, and halfway through it he became a complete dick. That's just one topic, but that's all of his activity that is more recent than 2 years. They said that because he completely broke down in the middle of that thread of his, in response to posts that seem pretty reasonable. I don't know about warnings and the length of the ban but he flew out of control there.
You're telling me he posted about a game, people jumped him, he went berserk on the record for 2 posts, and he was banned based on 2 year old actions?

Where's the communication?
Cyan Paul said:
I thought Jmorphman had warned him [...] so I banned him for 3 days (by GONE I meant 'gone for good').

Turns out Jmorphman didn't warn him, I goofed.
... not here ^

This was handled poorly in my opinion. Very poorly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 07, 2014, 11:07:26 pm
I didn't really perceive it as an attack. My reply more or less meant "Man, you guys are taking the fun out of this ;_;"

The word 'fag' has a crapload of stigma that it didn't in the past, it's now something that I try to avoid ever using when before I would throw it around casually. If you'd gone with 'Dicks' or something, I really doubt there would have been the same negative response. I know how you meant it but seriously seriously poor word choice.

And can we just stop the massive drama spiral around anything JZ does? I can't say I know him or half of this he said she said crap but it's beyond irrelevant now. Guy is here, guy wants to make content, drama results. Get on with your lives. If he's the source of future problems deal with said future problems. I don't think I've seen this much butthurt on Guild... ever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 07, 2014, 11:08:49 pm
I didn't really perceive it as an attack. My reply more or less meant "Man, you guys are taking the fun out of this ;_;"

The word 'fag' has a crapload of stigma that it didn't in the past, it's now something that I try to avoid ever using when before I would throw it around casually. If you'd gone with 'Dicks' or something, I really doubt there would have been the same negative response. I know how you meant it but seriously seriously poor word choice.

And can we just stop the massive drama spiral around anything JZ does? I can't say I know him or half of this he said she said crap but it's beyond irrelevant now. Guy is here, guy wants to make content, drama results. Get on with your lives. If he's the source of future problems deal with said future problems. I don't think I've seen this much butthurt on Guild... ever.
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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on February 07, 2014, 11:14:45 pm
You're telling me he posted about a game, people jumped him, he went berserk on the record for 2 posts, and he was banned based on 2 year old actions?
... What ? No. I said his recent actions, the ones that are more recent than 2 years, are pretty much all in that thread, and all he did in that thread was go crazy. For more than two posts. Stop saying it's only two posts because it's not. I'm counting 5 out of 11 in those less-than-two-year-old posts, that's half of his activity.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on February 07, 2014, 11:28:56 pm
I didn't really go further than the 1st page of his posts. It didn't look half as bad as "I don't want him here" "That shitlord"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on February 07, 2014, 11:32:02 pm
That's how I dealt with alexander4488.
Oh man I miss that bastard
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on February 07, 2014, 11:45:32 pm
I didn't really go further than the 1st page of his posts. It didn't look half as bad as "I don't want him here" "That shitlord"
Beyond that is two years old. No one said anything about his posts older than 2 years (or old than a month, really, since it's the same). And yes, he was an asshole in half the posts he made since his return. Not saying the ban should be permanent or something, but he was pretty damn bad and he got punished for it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 07, 2014, 11:56:42 pm
i would've expected a better example of staff "banning people left and right for the stupidest things these days" than the guy that posted the following gems getting banned two weeks ago
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what you say is useless! Just another aggravated idiot, unloved, depraved, reject venting on anyone who would listen.
It would be righteous, that if you have nothing good to say, don't say nothing!
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You got big mouths with clicks, never thinking that this could get real, real quick! History shows that no one is beyond reach, i think you guys should be careful, you don't know me, who i know, or what can happen! Be careful! The hell with this game or compilation or whatever you stuffy punks think it should be called! Idiots like yourselves try to criticize other people for use of other peoples stuff, none of you own any of the characters you ripped off of the  company's. Most of you ripp other peoples stuff, so to claim any rights is a joke!  I laugh at you! Laugh! Keep on ripping off other peoples stuff, continue making your screenpacks, and oh, i forgot compilations, full games whatever! One thing you won't be is original, so kill yourself and do society a favor,or keep talking!.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on February 07, 2014, 11:58:26 pm
Yo, did you read that thread (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/guilty-gear-xrd-arc-wars-mugen-edition-version-1-156560.0.html)?

Everything was going well until Felo got into MFG technicisms, discreting the I-don't-know-how-many-hours he'd spent on it, how "anyone can do that", and "you're just using other people's stuff". He was practically calling his work garbage. It may not be the ultimate mugen artwork but it sure as hell wasn't being disruptive or harmful until he got jumped. He reacted to the negativity, which he didn't start.

If any, Trinitronity's post made it even worse, and it just spiralled out of control from there. He reacted poorly, but he was received ultra negatively. That shouldn't be the way that people should be received around here. The way JMM handled it was right, still the guy got banned by the other GMod not involved in cooling things down. My point still stands.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on February 08, 2014, 12:03:26 am
He reacted poorly, but he was received ultra negatively.
And nevertheless, his reaction was unacceptable. The handling was a wreck, which is one thing you can say against the staff, but it's doesn't mean that this guy was blameless. That behavior he had was garbage, that's a fact. A punishment was well deserved, regardless of Person Man's or Cyan's comments about it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on February 08, 2014, 12:15:20 am
It was only 1 situation, it was defused. He reacted poorly, but doing it so ONCE doesn't automatically warrant a ban in my opinion.

Apparently your opinion is different than mine. And in the end Cyan Paul accepted that he fucked up by banning him. And Cyan Paul's reaction towards the situation, and the way he worded it made him seem petty. Person Man calling him a shitlord wasn't right either. Where do you stand on this? They should have stayed out of it, and leave it 100% to JMM.

Also, what your expectation of the demeanor and handling situations from the Staff? I'm pretty sure they should be impartial, more understanding and conciliating than just calling the users names, and banning because "they want someone gone". Their speech shouldn't be emotionally charged, it's not proper.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on February 08, 2014, 12:21:52 am
Without speaking about specific situations, you can't expect someone to not have emotions. And I'm sure you're just forgetting who you're talking to when you ask me what I think of getting angry at someone, maybe throwing insults, and doing what's needed to take him out. Staff or not - I consider that detail irrelevant. If you want to know what I expect of someone with power, my answer is that I expect the same from someone without power.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on February 08, 2014, 12:23:33 am
Well you're not staff, I don't expect that from you :P

I see where you're coming from, though. Your opinion, my opinion, etc. I've pointed it out, the staff can do that whatever they want.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 08, 2014, 12:26:44 am
I agree with you walt. That event was handled badly. The ban was reduced to 1 day. Cyan Paul accepted he jumped the gun. JMM's way of handling it was more correct.

I do not see Cyan Paul making the same mistake again. If so then it would really be cause for concern. The "shitlord" comment was tasteless and is a sign that we can be a bit too jaded. MissB would have probably been the only person to say something about that had she been active. The rest of us should have. I won't let that happen without calling it out again.

That's still not us banning users left and right.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Pigeot on February 08, 2014, 12:29:27 am
Please, let it go.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on February 08, 2014, 12:34:05 am
what
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on February 08, 2014, 12:35:16 am
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He reacted poorly, but he was received ultra negatively

I really beg to disagree. He was received poorly, but his reaction was ultra negative.

Annoying as Felo's post may have been, it didn't justify him acting like a massive prick. Seriously, going on a crazy tirade about how everyone who disagrees with him is an idiot and a pathetic internet nerd whose ass he'd kick irl because he's muslim(!)?

How can you think his behavior could be anything but unacceptable for this forum? They guy has been around for longer than most users here. Even if he wasn't an active use all along he should know forum netiquette by now. He isn't a 12 yo kid who doesn't know how to behave around grown ups and calls people childish names because he can't argue with them. We expect a minimun level of maturity from our userbase because otherwise the forum becomes a fucking dumpster.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on February 08, 2014, 12:36:20 am
That's still not us banning users left and right.
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/warnings-v2-112183.2140.html

Now that you bring it up, you guys ban gimmicky posters. My memory may fail me, but didn't the Staff ban Navana at the time, or Big Sally just because they were gimmicky? I really don't see that "I don't like the way he posts" as reason enough to ban someone. No goatse, no virus, no fuck Guild, just "don't like the way and/or colors he uses when posts, let's ban him".

You guys are selling the bans pretty cheap.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 08, 2014, 12:55:43 am
Big Sally left on his own. Navana was banned over a year ago. Before I came back more actively. I don't remember everything he did, IIRC it was very disruptive. But again, that was well over a year ago. Still outside the bounds of banning left and right.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on February 08, 2014, 12:58:50 am
IINM, Navana got banned for repeated short periods of time, always for the same reason, and he kept getting more chances and kept blowing them up. Navana's one of those guys who just couldn't stay in peace, so he didn't stay at all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 08, 2014, 01:00:35 am
Yo, did you read that thread (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/guilty-gear-xrd-arc-wars-mugen-edition-version-1-156560.0.html)?
yes, i posted in that thread, questioning jmorphman's procedure, which kind of implies i read all of it.

i suggest you use less hyperbole the next time you try to have a serious discussion about how terrible the staff is. it's hard to take your posts seriously that way
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Pigeot on February 08, 2014, 01:07:34 am
His posts were hyperbolic, but he has a point.
Our staff tends to mockingly insult users especially ones they're preparing to ban. Secondly, they often cite inflammatory posts as reasons for banning users, but let others who repeatedly do it to pass. Why?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on February 08, 2014, 01:09:52 am
I suggest you use less hyperbole the next time you try to have a serious discussion about how terrible the staff is. it's hard to take your posts seriously that way
I'll take your suggestion in consideration. I wasn't trying to make a super serious discussion focusing on this. The real matter at hand was letting Jesuszilla know things have changed, he could get banned for using a specific font size, for posting images, for being categorized "a shit lord", etc

Hyperbole or not, the 1 example you provided is good enough to prove my THAT 1 POINT (in bold above) and the staff remains to be pretty terrible regardless.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on February 08, 2014, 02:09:57 am
A few user have gotten away with posting in different font/font color like that guy with gender dysphoria or that other guy who posted in green and then dropped it. It's not about colors, it's about being disruptive and all around terrible poster; and DAN_HIBIKI was both. He derailed threads with his stupid Dan antics and even did this on purpouse shamelessly trying to drag people to his own threads.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 08, 2014, 02:11:22 am
That goes without mentioning his weak justifications for his shameless plugs by saying "but nobody visits my threads just help me out" or something like that. I don't see how that's tolerable.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on February 08, 2014, 02:33:35 am
Hey, look what I dug up:

mugenguild.com/forum/topics/nice-font-62375.0.html

Zen Master Sepp's views on Blue Font Guy's blue font.

The staff is going downhill.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on February 08, 2014, 02:39:30 am
He isn't here anymore. He confronted, he communicated.

You would have banned him probably on grounds of "I want him gone" and nobody would bat an eye in the staff section.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on February 08, 2014, 02:48:50 am
I don't recall panzer telling people they were losers for engaging him in an internet discussion or telling them he could punch them irl when he was in the unpopular side of an argument, so I doubt that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 08, 2014, 02:52:45 am
oh walt thinks people really got banned for impractical font style and posting images and there were absolutely no other factors involved

(image of shiny text that says "thats hyperbole")
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on February 08, 2014, 03:03:38 am
The subject of 'terrible staff' as you politely named it, came up as a warning from me to Jz.
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1906239

It wasn't the main point I was trying to make. And I've made my point. Jmorphman did the right thing to try to cool things down. The way you, titiln, would have handled it would probably be very different, I do believe that Cyan Paul's "goof up" was pretty terrible. Had Jmorphman not been involved in the thread trying to fix things, that's just how things would have turned out without nobody opposing it.

That, in my opinion, is pretty terrible. Maybe not in your opinion. My hyperbolic comment was directed at Jz and he knew what I meant. So, drop it please?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 08, 2014, 03:24:35 am
you say shit has changed, and that's actually right. cyan paul skipped protocol and went straight for the ban on a user that was telling others to kill themselves and that he would beat them up irl. years ago when i was administrator this would've been par for the course and the ban would've been longer. now it's considered a mistake by other staff members. things changed. bans are shorter. there's way more dialogue between staff and users before a ban. people get way more chances now than back then.

so when you tell jesuszilla that staff are banning people left and right, and that you can get banned exclusively for having a different font style or because you post images, that's fucking ridiculous.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on February 08, 2014, 03:47:32 am
I'm not sure "empty threats, internet tough guy" is the absolute worst. Byakko actually went to beat up a guy IRL and he didn't get banned.

years ago when i was administrator this would've been par for the course and the ban would've been longer. now it's considered a mistake by other staff members. things changed. bans are shorter.
Actually, now that you mention it, yeah you're right. Bans were even more stern in your era, and that's how the Sepp tone started to change to where we are now.

In my defense, hey, at least I'm consistent. Remember how I opposed you at every turn? It wasn't because I disliked you (you're a funny guy) but your views on how to handle staff shit. You haven't changed your mind about that, and I haven't either. I'm allowed my hyperbole for my comment in confidence to Jz. Sure it was public, but still it's my opinion whether you like it or not ... I admit it may be blown out of proportion statistically, but the idea is there. "This isn't TM, or or MFG by Zen Master Sepp, your humor or overall behaviour won't fly here , bans are more common over less tolerant stuff, etc"

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 08, 2014, 03:49:53 am
I'm pretty sure Greedo (Vyx) shot first
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on February 08, 2014, 03:50:21 am
Is that thread HOF'd?  CUZ IT SHOULD BE

Edit: It is, never mind.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on February 08, 2014, 01:17:42 pm
oh walt thinks people really got banned for impractical font style and posting images and there were absolutely no other factors involved
(http://r69.cooltext.com/rendered/cooltext1418284884.gif)

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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mgbenz on February 08, 2014, 01:31:58 pm
And here I thought that the staff nowadays are way too loose.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 08, 2014, 07:32:47 pm
Here's the solution, we drop all the moderators onto an island together inhabited by super warriors from an alien race dedicated to the hunt (some sort of super... predator) Whoever survives will have def seen some shit and will be able to make decisions more grounded in the cruel reality that is life.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on February 08, 2014, 07:34:32 pm
I think a Hunger Games setting is more fitting for this scenario...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 08, 2014, 07:51:07 pm
battle royale, so we get to randomize the weapons,also  that way there will be mroe sex and violence than in the hunger games way.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 08, 2014, 07:51:38 pm
I don't want this to heat up again but I keep seeing these kinds of misconceptions regarding the recent rule change.
Specially when the original subject of discussion (The fuck you in the readmes, the triggers) wasn't even brought up by him. He's pretty much entitled to put whatever he wants in the files he uploads into his server, as long as there's no malware in them.
Everyone is entitled to put whatever they want in a character. But we the staff are entitled to make sure anything posted here follows the rules of this forum, and that now applies to releases. Things that would be objectionable if posted in a post on the forum are now just as objectionable if they're posted in a character. Pretty simple, and it shouldn't be a big deal.

Also: BigSally has never been banned (there was a vote in 2011 that most mods wanted him gone but I can't find a reference to a ban anywhere in the ban list, and he's definitely not currently banned), Navana was never banned for his text formatting, we wouldn't ban Sepp (seriously, what the fuck), you can still have tons of fun without using the word "fag" (BTW, there's not a lot of online communities that let you get away with posting nigger or we are dumb fucks spamming this site for ten years, so I'm not sure why this is unreasonable), and you won't get banned for "using a specific font size, for posting images, for being categorized "a shit lord"".

And now for some quotes by members of the staff to show how tyrannical they are:
I still maintain that I did the right thing in warning him first.  Instantly banning someone without at least attempting to let them know why they're in trouble seems unfair to me.  Plus, with my way if someone comes back crying "I didn't do anything, nobody warned me, I would have stopped if you said something" there's evidence we can point at to say "Yes we did warn you, and no you didn't stop."
You always try NOT to ban. Talk, give clear verbal warnings, PM, be civil. If all things fail a ban is issued. In most cases we tend to go with the incrementing time formula.

1st ban is 3 days. Then a month. Then 3 months, 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, etc till they are basically permabanned. MC2 has been banned so often I forget where he's at =p
Yeah, banning should always be a last resort unless it's a really drastic situation.  Like a couple of weeks ago when that one guy went nuts and started flooding dozens of threads with hundreds of porn pics, we had to ban him immediately just to get him stop posting long enough to clean up the mess.  But stuff like that where someone needs to be banned immediately are very few and far between.

Like JNP said, the best course of action is to always try and resolve things peacefully first.  Talk to whoever's causing the offense, let them know what's up.  Nine times out of ten, you won't even need to bother with an actual warning if you can talk things out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 08, 2014, 07:54:13 pm
battle royale, so we get to randomize the weapons,also  that way there will be mroe sex and violence than in the hunger games way.
While tempting I think a Battle Royale setting would be counterproductive to what we want... the moderators would take 3 days to discuss and argue before they actually killed eachother each time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 08, 2014, 07:57:58 pm
iirc they have to kill at least one moderator per day or all of them will die.

jmorph : the point about the word fag is that it was aceptable once in these forums just like longer ago the word nigger was; now it's not acceptable, just like nigger is not, times change. zilla stopped coming to these forums before the change to fag was made so it caught him offguard, but he understands not that he should not use it like that, just like we stopped using the word nigger.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 08, 2014, 08:13:34 pm
I didn't see many people tossing around the words nigger and we are dumb fucks spamming this site for ten years much before that all happened. Nothing has really changed since then. They weren't really acceptable back then, and they still aren't now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on February 09, 2014, 02:21:22 pm
Since I wrote this in the wrong place, I'm now putting this here:

http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1906926

I suggest to merge the accounts and ban him for three days.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on February 09, 2014, 03:46:54 pm
I didn't see many people tossing around the words nigger and we are dumb fucks spamming this site for ten years much before that all happened. Nothing has really changed since then. They weren't really acceptable back then, and they still aren't now.

It's still perfectly acceptable to joke about rape and throw the word "cunt" around of course.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 09, 2014, 03:59:06 pm
and yet we banned people before for insulting people in a mysoginistic way, you know this, you even did some of those bans.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on February 09, 2014, 04:05:59 pm
I think we haven't had any instance of that recently. Blood Riot Iori is the only one who comes to mind.

...jokes about rape? Oh, come on. How's that in the same league as slurs?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 09, 2014, 04:14:22 pm
It depends on the situation, but I can't remember anything being out of bounds though.

Though that certainly doesn't mean it can't happen!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 09, 2014, 04:16:45 pm
In my defense, hey, at least I'm consistent. Remember how I opposed you at every turn? It wasn't because I disliked you (you're a funny guy) but your views on how to handle staff shit. You haven't changed your mind about that, and I haven't either. I'm allowed my hyperbole for my comment in confidence to Jz. Sure it was public, but still it's my opinion whether you like it or not ... I admit it may be blown out of proportion statistically, but the idea is there. "This isn't TM, or or MFG by Zen Master Sepp, your humor or overall behaviour won't fly here , bans are more common over less tolerant stuff, etc"
i think that if jesuszilla survived the times in which i was administrator and was a shithead about people's funny posts, the current setting shouldn't be a problem for him. i know you don't like the way i do things, which is why you were a gmod for a long time back in the day. it's good to have someone with a dissenting opinion that voices it properly and often, it makes you think twice about things
MissBHaven said:
It's still perfectly acceptable to joke about rape and throw the word "cunt" around of course.
and then there's you. you're been a gmod for a long time. you keep talking about these issues while doing jack shit about them. where are your posts in warnings where you discuss people using the word cunt? where are your posts about the rampant use of rape jokes in guild?


i'd also like to congratulate c001357, for being a good poster, being a good gmod and keeping it up for years, and doing the unprecedented act of having an alt account with good posts (umezono) and that account also becoming a gmod. this is remarkable. simply remarkable. congratulations.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on February 09, 2014, 04:24:43 pm
...jokes about rape? Oh, come on. How's that in the same league as slurs?

I'm going to assume you didn't think this reply through very carefully.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on February 09, 2014, 04:29:42 pm
I thought about it very carefully, and I'm willing to tell you why I believe slurs are far more damaging for society than tasteless jokes about forced sex.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 09, 2014, 04:47:21 pm
In an effort to avoid a flare up I'd say instead of trying to argue over which is more offensive we should just establish both are pretty sketchy and slimy and should be handled on a case by case basis
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 09, 2014, 04:51:54 pm
context is everything and we have banned people before over being shitheads with that kind of reasoning.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on February 09, 2014, 05:20:06 pm
i'd also like to congratulate c001357, for being a good poster, being a good gmod and keeping it up for years, and doing the unprecedented act of having an alt account with good posts (umezono) and that account also becoming a gmod. this is remarkable. simply remarkable. congratulations.

this was only possible through minna-sans efforts. i will continue to ganbaru(`・ω・´)

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 09, 2014, 05:32:31 pm
RE: locking threads

drama threads usually blow up and take over the recent posts list for a good while, drowning out more useful posts. how about someone codes a mod that lets you mark threads as "don't show replies to this thread in the recent posts lists". boom. problem solved in 2021 when this is actually implemented

another alternative i always liked better than locking was making a "final" post in the vein of "ok this discussion is going nowhere, unless anyone else has anything legitimate to add to this thread, stop posting here. further useless replies will be deleted". it's not very nice but it beats locking imo
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 09, 2014, 05:41:16 pm
RE: locking threads

drama threads usually blow up and take over the recent posts list for a good while, drowning out more useful posts. how about someone codes a mod that lets you mark threads as "don't show replies to this thread in the recent posts lists". boom. problem solved in 2021 when this is actually implemented

another alternative i always liked better than locking was making a "final" post in the vein of "ok this discussion is going nowhere, unless anyone else has anything legitimate to add to this thread, stop posting here. further useless replies will be deleted". it's not very nice but it beats locking imo

I like this idea too but itd prob fall under the same censorship arguments. It does keep the useful points pf the thread open for discussion tho so its a great idea (to me )
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 09, 2014, 05:56:23 pm
It would encourage people to think their replies through, rather than just reiterate the same shit that fills the thread in the first place. Sounds good to me.

EDIT: Or maybe expand on Titiln's first suggestion and make it possible to block an entire board from showing up on your activity feed? Especially since drama can permeate multiple threads, just blocking an entire section of the forum from your feed might do you good.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 09, 2014, 06:38:22 pm
I prefer letting it be contained to that thread. Having it spill is worse as you have more cleanup to do.

Then again, I use a different warning system where I mod so I have a different method than you guys do here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on February 09, 2014, 06:41:34 pm
It would encourage people to think their replies through, rather than just reiterate the same shit that fills the thread in the first place.

I really wish people would do that more often.

Then again, I use a different warning system where I mod so I have a different method than you guys do here.

Interesting. Where do you Mod, if I may??

another alternative i always liked better than locking was making a "final" post in the vein of "ok this discussion is going nowhere, unless anyone else has anything legitimate to add to this thread, stop posting here. further useless replies will be deleted". it's not very nice but it beats locking imo

I like that idea.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 09, 2014, 06:42:07 pm
Samehere. Where I mod its commonplace to lock as a means of moderating drama tho. This will take some restraint haha.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 09, 2014, 06:47:17 pm
Then again, I use a different warning system where I mod so I have a different method than you guys do here.

Interesting. Where do you Mod, if I may??

http://zandronum.com/forum/member.php?action=profile&uid=8
It's kind of hard for me to explain how the system works. See that % by warn (I dunno if guests can)? At about 60% you posts are moderated, 80% you get suspended, and 100% is a ban, but it's also at mod discretion. I do a fair amount of work over there since I mod 3 different areas (forum being one of them).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on February 09, 2014, 06:50:43 pm
http://zandronum.com/forum/member.php?action=profile&uid=8
It's kind of hard for me to explain how the system works. See that % by warn (I dunno if guests can)? At about 60% you posts are moderated, 80% you get suspended, and 100% is a ban, but it's also at mod discretion. I do a fair amount of work over there since I mod 3 different areas (forum being one of them).

Ah, I see. That system sounds pretty interesting and I'll look more into your forum later on for sure. :2thumbsup:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on February 13, 2014, 11:35:58 pm
Why didn't you merge Shift-DS/waly066 alternate accounts and ban him?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 13, 2014, 11:42:47 pm
Only admins can merge accounts.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 13, 2014, 11:50:18 pm
Merged. also banned his original account for six days
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 19, 2014, 07:22:20 pm
Quote
Now solve the issue with comic book forum goers being afraid of posting here.

if the touhou guys got accepted, the comic book ones can.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 19, 2014, 07:25:40 pm
Well honestly I see it as these guys are comic book fans first, mugen coders second so they are far more averse to feedback and more likely to construe it was attacks on the character and their vision for it. Generally there is a lot of potential in many of these characters at least from a spritework standpoint its just the shoddy coding would never hold up to many of the Guild poster's standards. The best way to fix this is to just encourage good coding habits and maybe invite them to post them here with a reminder feedback is not meant to be insulting. And maybe tone it down a bit with "wow this character is awful" even if its coupled with valid feedback. Otherwise it seems like a lost cause to me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 19, 2014, 08:06:35 pm
yeah, if you use chuchoryu as reference, there is no point in bringing the comic guys there yet.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 19, 2014, 10:22:09 pm
Quote
Now solve the issue with comic book forum goers being afraid of posting here.

Um, I'm a comic book guy.

The problem isn't Guild, it's people being content with very poor quality in both sprites and coding, and/or being completely batshit insane, and/or going utterly crazy in response to criticism.

ZVitor and Loganir and O Ilusionista post here and they're kind of the best guys these days. Toni's from here too?

So, I mean, I should still have a good rep on CC/IMT for the most part? And anyone paying attention should certainly be aware I don't think MFG is satans?

So, um, yeah, if you want to have a good posting experience on MFG, don't be shit?

Though, people writing off creations just because they're from a certain forum should probably not happen. I've reported that in found release threads a couple of times.

Unless it's MMV
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 20, 2014, 04:37:54 am
Otherwise it seems like a lost cause to me.
I think the best we can do is make sure people don't get unnecessarily harsh in their feedback. Which seems, to me at least, to be getting more and more common. And since people don't usually report it, it means we have to be extra vigilant in this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 20, 2014, 04:42:01 am
It's kind of annoying that unnecessary harshness isn't reported as often as it should be, especially since mods don't always surf around every single release. I guess it's best to just remind everybody that yes, unnecessarily harsh feedback can indeed be report-worthy. A certain degree of harshness might be required depending on the context, but blatant attacks/insults/whatever never are.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on February 20, 2014, 05:15:22 am
Let´s not confuse harshness with blatant insults. You can be a little harsh avoiding insults. That´s a matter of attitude in general or how OP may take it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 20, 2014, 05:17:04 am
That'll be up to the discretion of the reporter and the mod who subsequently takes action, if any is needed. Most of the people here should have the good sense to know the difference between harsh truth and unnecessary bashing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on February 20, 2014, 05:18:42 am
Let´s hope so.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 20, 2014, 05:20:14 am
Let´s not confuse harshness with blatant insults. You can be a little harsh avoiding insults. That´s a matter of attitude in general or how OP may take it.
The problem is is that harshness is starting to go over the line and become insulting. You don't need to be a dick when giving feedback.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on February 20, 2014, 05:39:38 am
Feedback styles

The Robot
 - "If you tap forward and light punch repeatedly, you can create an infinite combo."

Neutral
 - "Infinite: FWD+LP, FWD+LP, FWD+LP, etc"

Funny
 - "Your char has the WALKING JAB OF DOOM (FWD+LP, FWD+LP over and over)

Harsh
 - "Your char has the WALKING JAB OF DOOM. How the hell did you miss that?!"

Outright insult
 - "Your char has the WALKING JAB OF DOOM. Fucking amateur mistake."

DDM
 - "Your char has the WALKING JAB OF DOOM. Kill yourself."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on February 20, 2014, 08:30:35 am
That was actually quite accurate and insightful. I've experienced every one of those feedback types in my days.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on February 20, 2014, 08:43:41 am
Outright insult is incorrect. They wouldn't name it like that. Just

"has infinite, you suck, this sucks, deleted"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 20, 2014, 12:01:27 pm
you are missing ridiculously disproportionate insulting feedback

This has a infinite he is my vlog about how your chars are a shit, it has ten miuntes of me screaming at a microphone about how much of a shit piece you are, INFINITE JAAAABS OF DOOOM DOOMDOOOM the last five minutes are a alcapella remix of myself screaming about it, I hope you die. Im way better than you.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on February 20, 2014, 12:03:18 pm
So if "outright insult" is all of that, what is "Your char has the WALKING JAB OF DOOM. Fucking amateur mistake." ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 20, 2014, 12:41:10 pm
thats uneeded insult, what i said wasnt outright insult it was "ridiculously disproportionate"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on February 20, 2014, 02:50:36 pm
Um, I'm a comic book guy.

The problem isn't Guild, it's people being content with very poor quality in both sprites and coding, and/or being completely batshit insane, and/or going utterly crazy in response to criticism.
I agree, I'm a comic book guy too, but I'm so bored about shitty versions of comic book characters, where the only saving thing are sprites, and sometimes isn't even that. Apart of the ones you named, Buyog, Erradicator and Unlimited Team, as well some guys from here with sole creations (Cybaster's Batman, SeanAltly's Rorscharch and Rajaa's Supergirl). All the others I don't like it, especially from ex-CVG guys (MMV and CC), which I avoid at all cost (except if I want to edit them)

Let´s not confuse harshness with blatant insults. You can be a little harsh avoiding insults. That´s a matter of attitude in general or how OP may take it.
I think being harsh is sometimes so bad as being insulting, personally I don't see any differences with that. Feedback always should be bold and clear, so the author can improve and don't feel like he's attacking (a good feedback written harsh it's almost like attacking the other person). Also, why are you remind all those insulting stuff?? Those reminds me the dark times of KFM as dictator admin and the "-100000 of 10" ratings of DDR full of hateness. It's just like you're summoning all of that back to now :sick:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 20, 2014, 04:28:24 pm
slightly off topic, but resticky mugen screenshots. it's always on the top of the apge anyway and it's kind of a tradition ahving it stickied.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 20, 2014, 04:44:54 pm
Since it is always on top it defeats the need to have it stickied. If for some reason it is tough to find the sticky linking to it is readily available.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on February 20, 2014, 09:41:23 pm
Since it is always on top it defeats the need to have it stickied. If for some reason it is tough to find the sticky linking to it is readily available.

I went ahead and stickied it again. If there's any issue bring it up to me. Its such a popular thread that's constantly updated I feel it should remain a sticky staple in our discussion thread.

I was quickly browsing through reading feedback comments and all I can think of saying is that you're always going to get some type of flack about comments pertaining to a character. E.G. people will either come off too harsh or creators will take basic constructive criticism as an insult. There's a lot of hot and cold posting/reactionary posting going on. As long as both sides are reasonably civil without overreaction  on either end, policing all of that shouldn't be a problem. But blatant insulting on any level won't be tolerated.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 21, 2014, 02:26:11 am
I disagree with the hub thread and no stickies. It just makes navigation more annoying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 21, 2014, 02:33:28 am
They were stickies in the first place and clicking a grand total of one or two more times really isn't really that bad. I don't see any reason to revert the change.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 21, 2014, 02:39:39 am
i agree with the idea of hub threads, when they link to a lot of threads. a sticky linking to like three threads seems like a hassle
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 21, 2014, 02:40:45 am
well we can always add up more shit
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 21, 2014, 02:42:18 am
That's why I left it unlocked was so people could suggest more threads.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on February 21, 2014, 02:50:13 am
I don´t like the hub threads at all. I preferred the stickies sincerely.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on February 21, 2014, 02:57:43 am
Everyone is just used to the old way. I resrickied the screenshots thread before realizing that C.A.N made the hub sticky. I didn't like the idea at first, but I quickly grew accustomed to it. It actually works better this way.

And if you think about it, the video and screenshots thread are so popular they will always be up top anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 21, 2014, 03:03:37 am
Generally it's a good idea to sticky the most popular threads (within reason, usually if it's really relevant). However, since you have a thread that directs to it and others, it's not exactly necessary.

I never found it being a sticky to be necessary. It was always on the first page no matter what.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on February 21, 2014, 03:12:07 am
It was always on the first page no matter what.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Tamez on February 21, 2014, 05:28:17 am
Threads like the screenshot and video thread aren't stickied to keep them from falling off the page. 
They are stickied to make them more convenient to access when jumping from one section of the forum to another. 

The hub thread does not make anything more convenient. 

Before, I would enter mugen discussion and hit the link at the end of the screenshot thread, which would take me to the newest unviewed post. 

With the hub setup, I enter mugen discussion, hit the hub, click the screenshot link and get taken to a new tab (which I don't want) viewing the first page of the screenshot thread.  Then I'd have to hit the button to go to the last page of the thread and hope that the newest unviewed post was on the last page.  If not then I'd have to go back a page (or more depending on the number of posts) to find the spot where I left off. 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 21, 2014, 05:29:43 am
That only really applies if they actually do fall off the page. Otherwise...
It was always on the first page no matter what.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 21, 2014, 05:31:27 am
Threads like the screenshot and video thread aren't stickied to keep them from falling off the page. 
They are stickied to make them more convenient to access when jumping from one section of the forum to another. 

The hub thread does not make anything more convenient. 

Before, I would enter mugen discussion and hit the link at the end of the screenshot thread, which would take me to the newest unviewed post. 

With the hub setup, I enter mugen discussion, hit the hub, click the screenshot link and get taken to a new tab (which I don't want) viewing the first page of the screenshot thread.  Then I'd have to hit the button to go to the last page of the thread and hope that the newest unviewed post was on the last page.  If not then I'd have to go back a page (or more depending on the number of posts) to find the spot where I left off.

This.

The hub setup is just annoying. Why do I need to enter a hub for 3 threads when they could be stickied?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on February 21, 2014, 05:33:29 am
^ Exactly. Is just impractical and being stickied is far more comfortable. I still don´t get how hub threads are better.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 21, 2014, 05:34:09 am
The only time it's useful is in development sections that have a TON of good, timeless topics. This is not one of those cases.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 21, 2014, 05:41:07 am
Dang you people can complain about anything

Maybe I'm not as lazy as you guys, but I don't see how this is so bad or inconvenient. I don't care one way or the other though lol.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 21, 2014, 05:42:08 am
^ That's basically me on this whole situation.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 21, 2014, 05:43:37 am
Um, I'm a comic book guy.

The problem isn't Guild, it's people being content with very poor quality in both sprites and coding, and/or being completely batshit insane, and/or going utterly crazy in response to criticism.
I agree, I'm a comic book guy too, but I'm so bored about shitty versions of comic book characters, where the only saving thing are sprites, and sometimes isn't even that. Apart of the ones you named, Buyog, Erradicator and Unlimited Team, as well some guys from here with sole creations (Cybaster's Batman, SeanAltly's Rorscharch and Rajaa's Supergirl). All the others I don't like it, especially from ex-CVG guys (MMV and CC), which I avoid at all cost (except if I want to edit them)

Most of those people aren't active anymore. =/

And just FYI, Toni originally made Supergirl before Rajaa took his/her sprites to make his own version.

And MMV/CC can have good characters once in a while. CC's Clayface and Hellboy had promise and Arkady's Havok was really super solid from what I can tell. Ark's hit-or-miss but he does hit sometimes, shouldn't write him off completely.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on February 21, 2014, 05:44:43 am
I dunno. If everyone was comfortable with the way it was and is voicing their opinions about how they don't like it, I say revert back to what it was.

The idea is good and I was all for it (And I could go either way) but the people are speaking and I say we change it back.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on February 21, 2014, 05:49:19 am
^ Thank you.

You all never hear the saying "If ain´t damaged, don´t fix it". Jeez. If you´re going to force that down our throats (exaggerated remark but whatever) implement something new then why don´t ask if it is a good idea to begin with?? You just did it because you and a couple of mods thought it was the best option?? interesting...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 21, 2014, 05:50:29 am
Actually, CAN did it himself lol. No conspiracy here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 21, 2014, 05:52:08 am
It'd be best to let JNP come in when he gets online, since the hub thread was pretty much his idea. The whole "broken" aspect that we saw was how many stickies there were in that section, which was brought up when I stickied the Roster Showcase. I suppose un-stickying those other threads was a good idea since nobody complained about those, but the overall lack of excess stickies is pretty much why I'm sticking to my position. It's cleaner and doesn't interfere as much with letting other threads be on the front page.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 21, 2014, 05:53:33 am
The only "excess stickies" were the ones like that contest that happened god knows how many years ago, and an interview that's been old news for quite a while as well.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 21, 2014, 05:55:02 am
That and the auction alert thread which could just as easily have separate topics for each instance as well.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on February 21, 2014, 05:56:06 am
I saw Just No Point agreeing in the Decisions v2!!!! >:( #toomuchtimeonmyhands

But Mugen discussion isn't even that cluttered with stickies. There will be just like 6 and that doesn't even take that much of space in there. The graphics section hub isn't nice too. The sprite threads should be stickied too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 21, 2014, 05:56:17 am
That and the auction alert thread which could just as easily have separate topics for each instance as well.
No, to have separate topics for that would clutter up the MUGEN discussion with too much trash. Having one thread was good, but I don't see the point in it being stickied. I DO think, however, that users should know about that resource if they come across any illegal auctions, etc.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 21, 2014, 05:59:22 am
Bit of a dilemma in that case. Idk, the auction nonsense didn't really happen all too much, so it wouldn't really clutter that badly, especially since the threads would most likely die out pretty quickly. Maybe it could be mentioned in one of the information board's topics or something similar.

EDIT: Just in case somebody wasn't reading the staff section, I was thinking of making a topic pointing to Sepp's auction thread in the Information section. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on February 21, 2014, 07:24:50 am

And just FYI, Toni originally made Supergirl before Rajaa took his/her sprites to make his own version.

I'm a sprite thief.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 21, 2014, 07:46:32 am
Dang you people can complain about anything

Maybe I'm not as lazy as you guys, but I don't see how this is so bad or inconvenient. I don't care one way or the other though lol.
Well hey, if this is what we're arguing about this week I'd say it's an improvement!

You just did it because you and a couple of mods thought it was the best option?? interesting...
This sort of thing never ends well, like that big rule change in 2007 that was done in secret by a few mods. Now there are leechers everywhere!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on February 21, 2014, 01:46:25 pm
Come on, sticky the Auction Alert thread.
EDIT: Just in case somebody wasn't reading the staff section, I was thinking of making a topic pointing to Sepp's auction thread in the Information section. Thoughts?
Why do you have to make a new topic in the Informations linking to a topic in the Mugen Discussion when you can just sticky it (the Mugen Discussion topic)? And it doesn't even clutter the board.

But I know how it'll end, no one will listen to what I said.


Ah, while I'm here, I'm going to remind this:
merge these two accounts: http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/renegade-80751  and  http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/xasor-80551
merge also these two ones: http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/banned-the-bald-fat-virgin-titiln-8160  and  http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/japanese-jesus-83251
(for the admins)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 22, 2014, 05:59:08 am

And just FYI, Toni originally made Supergirl before Rajaa took his/her sprites to make his own version.

I'm a sprite thief.

Lol. Sorry, wasn't my intent to imply that at all. Used?

Love how the phrasing I threw together to avoid calling it in an edit ended up with that. XD
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 22, 2014, 06:00:05 am
whoosh.gif
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 22, 2014, 06:06:03 am
But I know how it'll end, no one will listen to what I said.
oh the humanity, we won't defer to your judgement on stickied threads

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 22, 2014, 06:08:51 am
Ah, while I'm here, I'm going to remind this:
merge these two accounts: http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/renegade-80751  and  http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/xasor-80551
merge also these two ones: http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/banned-the-bald-fat-virgin-titiln-8160  and  http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/japanese-jesus-83251
(for the admins)
How do you know these are the same people? The first two definitely don't seem to be the same person. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 22, 2014, 06:09:48 am
One look at this topic's title will tell you. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/savage-hulk-1-0-by-renegade-aka-xasor-150846.0.html)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 22, 2014, 06:11:18 am
Huh, I even posted in the report for that.

But their ages are different also!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 22, 2014, 06:12:07 am
I don't think the evidence gets any more ironclad than that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on February 22, 2014, 06:12:43 am
As for the latter... (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1881086)

Holy hell at the salt.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 22, 2014, 06:16:57 am
I don't think the evidence gets any more ironclad than that.
You can't age ten years in one year! And you can't lie about your age here either, it's impossible!!!

As for the former... (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1881086)

Holy hell at the salt.
Huh, and the first account's not even banned.

... I'm getting deja vu about this. I think I talked about this too, somewhere. I have really shitty memory. :-X

Alright, @Goofus: and @Gallant:, get in here and merge them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 22, 2014, 06:21:29 am
You can't age ten years in one year! And you can't lie about your age here either, it's impossible!!!
He's probably using different emails for each account idk. Maybe hit him up with a PM asking yo what's up with the alt accounts and stuff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 22, 2014, 06:24:05 am
Maybe you can do it because you're the new blood! :twisted:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 22, 2014, 06:26:22 am
I hate you. :c Done.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on February 22, 2014, 07:31:37 am
The way SD attacks others in that fighting game board has been irking me, I know Uche's stupid but he's not the only one and sometimes he gets attacked despite him not saying anything that bad. I remember Caddie tried to tell SD and Byakko to calm down but they turned it around on him and said he was the one with the problem. Really I don't think being a jerk like that should be justified.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 22, 2014, 07:34:33 am
I'm gonna make sure it doesnt start again so no worries
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 22, 2014, 07:36:30 am
It's kind of habitual of him actually.

I once heard from someone I don't remember that many winters ago he was actually more harsh
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 22, 2014, 07:40:55 am
It doesn't change the fact that it's gone on for far too long and is really getting out of hand.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 22, 2014, 07:43:48 am
I remember Caddie tried to tell SD and Byakko to calm down but they turned it around on him and said he was the one with the problem.
That's just because I was an ass when I asked them to stop and how I went about doing it. That was around the time that whenever I would issue a warning, the person I'm warning(instead of taking the warning) would say something insulting about my reading comprehension or that I didn't review everything or something like that. God I'm glad I'm not an admin anymore. ;D

http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1850671 (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1850671)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on February 22, 2014, 07:45:57 am
Dio has a low tolerance for stupidity... understandable. Even so, some of the shit that's posted really isn't worth entertaining a response, especially if it's going to end in hurt feelings.

I once heard from someone I don't remember that many winters ago he was actually more harsh

I love classic stories.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 22, 2014, 07:47:29 am
That's actually as much as I know. I've only been around since 2007. Zantetsu has at least 3 years on me
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 22, 2014, 07:47:46 am
regarding the SD posts, i don't think his posts against uche need highlighting because uche made a legitimately stupid post, par for the course, he often makes bad posts and gets slammed for it, rightfully so, pretty much every active user has made fun of uche at some point in their illustrious posting careers, but calling rednavi an idiot (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1915269) for a tame joke is kinda uncalled for.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 22, 2014, 07:52:05 am
posts will be monitored. no problem

i also agree some of the uche stuff was not bad enough to warrant action

     Posted: February 22, 2014, 07:53:27 am
Dio has a low tolerance for stupidity... understandable.
meh this is weak justification for acting like someone has fucked your mom when they make a minor annoying post. again i know from experience cause i used to be that dick in other lands.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 22, 2014, 07:55:51 am
to make myself clearer, i don't like the idea that someone is getting warned for basically telling uche to shut the fuck up, because everybody does it since he's a really bad poster, so warning him for that looks very selective. i mean i posted in that same thread and essentially called uche stupid and got no warning for it. SD should be warned for the post to rednavi if anything
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 22, 2014, 07:57:46 am
It's not so much the fact that he's telling Uche to shut up. It's how he's wording it. There's a difference between "yo dude that's kinda not right" and "oh my god you're a fucking idiot just shut up," after all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on February 22, 2014, 07:58:00 am
At this point telling Uche to STFU is quite a standard cause everyone does it. I know is a bad thing but you gonna warn everyone if the case is Uche.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 22, 2014, 08:00:03 am
well you can slam bad posters within reason. saying "what the fuck are you talking about" and "are you an idiot?" is not that bad when faced with an idiotic post.

"dUche" and "Were you dropped as a baby?" were kinda childish however.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on February 22, 2014, 08:02:29 am
To be fair Uche did try to burn him by saying "...says the guys who is named Shadow Dio. :D," a rude reply to that I think is okay to an extent.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on February 22, 2014, 08:04:06 am
meh this is weak justification for acting like someone has fucked your mom when they make a minor annoying post. again i know from experience cause i used to be that dick in other lands.

That's why I added the 2nd part of my post. Nothing wrong with ripping bad posts, but doing it a certain way can ruin the quality of threads every bit as much as bad posts (hence the derailment).

To be fair Uche did try to burn him by saying "...says the guys who is named Shadow Dio. :D," a rude reply to that I think is okay to an extent.

Am I the only one who misses when he had Megaman as his avatar?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 22, 2014, 08:05:20 am
Personally I find Uche easy to ignore even without using the ignore feature. Thought we all just let him do his thing and not harm him cuz he's not harming anyone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 22, 2014, 08:05:58 am
It was the combination of the sheer number of all of the recent posts, directed not just at Uche but Rednavi and Shwa too, that made me feel like it warranted a warning. Uche is a... unique user, and people telling him to shut up or being rude to him whatever is a pretty common occurrence that has never really been a problem.


holy shit you guys stop posting I've been hitting this button forever
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 22, 2014, 08:10:58 am
okay so next important issue for the staff to handle:

who would win in a fight, jmorphman or iced
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 22, 2014, 08:12:28 am
Well, who has the Brak's Dad avatar? I think the answer should be obvious, because that's the deciding factor.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on February 22, 2014, 08:13:05 am
Never bet Jmorphman
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 22, 2014, 09:14:21 am
I've got the okay from Xasor to have an admin merge the accounts.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 22, 2014, 11:06:57 am
I have to go to work. You'll have to wait at least 12 hours or so!!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on February 22, 2014, 12:54:47 pm
I remember Caddie tried to tell SD and Byakko to calm down but they turned it around on him and said he was the one with the problem. Really I don't think being a jerk like that should be justified.
Hey, I told him to drop the emotions and simply tell us to stop insulting them, and he said it, and I did. Don't know if you noticed that last bit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on February 22, 2014, 01:06:01 pm
I've got the okay from Xasor to have an admin merge the accounts.
At last!
Niitris said:
...Uche...
Am I the only one who misses when he had Megaman as his avatar?
No, you're not the only one. :XD:

So now this topic is for feedback to both Warnings and Decisions?
All thanks to me.  ;D
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 22, 2014, 05:41:41 pm
Personally I find Uche easy to ignore even without using the ignore feature.

until he starts bumping topics.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 22, 2014, 06:08:46 pm
Tetsuo asked me to please not merge his account with his old one, he says it was fromw hen he was 13 and he didnt identify with that anymore.

As a way of compromise im changing his new account name so its clear its him and leave the old one unmerged.

I renamed his new account tetsuo9 and disabled the old one so it isnt able to be reentered..
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on February 24, 2014, 04:07:56 pm
Oh, so you were talking about SD?? let me show you (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/feedback-re-suggestion-remove-person-man-staff-156991.0.html) some evidences (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1914690) that Uche isn't the only affected here. I already got him in my ignore list, but I see that isn't enough
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 24, 2014, 04:14:30 pm
"douchezilla" wow are you 12

jmorphman already brought up way better examples in the warnings thread anyway
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 24, 2014, 04:17:54 pm
The douchezilla comment actually got reported too
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/fighting-games-re-if-there-was-one-thing-you-would-change-certain-fighting-game-157573.0.html
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on February 24, 2014, 04:19:15 pm
"douchezilla" wow are you 12
Don't start you too. I never like him and it's reciprocal, even when I respect him as creator, but I don't bully him as he did (and always did), "douchezilla" was just an answer to his words and nothing else
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 24, 2014, 04:21:50 pm
you answered a shitty comment he made with a shittier, extremely childish comment of your own. don't pretend you're being the better man here
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on February 24, 2014, 04:27:38 pm
I'm not pretending nothing, I just mentioned him and that's all, I didn't even quoted his bully post to answer him directly, I prefer to avoid more flamebait, as well to ignore SD comment later
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 24, 2014, 04:49:39 pm
you say he bullies you while you don't bully him, and that you prefer to avoid flamebait, but "douchezilla" proves otherwise to both claims. i don't know what you expected by posting that clever insult. learn to be the better man instead of answering like a child.

and you can't really say you ignored the SD comment when you brought it up here for no real reason. everybody else moved on from that subject and he was already warned for his posts. pay attention before posting that kind of thing. it's not like that "oh ive been laughing at him since day one" post he made is going to get him extra warned
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on February 24, 2014, 04:56:21 pm
C'mon, stop whiteknight them as if they were innocents. I brought SD stuff he said to me just to support Uche and other users being molested by him and say he's not the only one, and then you brought here the "douchezilla" stuff and start with this. So:
Don't start you too.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 24, 2014, 05:00:00 pm
You can both stop. SD was warned, JZ doesnt got much to do with it. This argument is pointless.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 24, 2014, 05:00:33 pm
Quote
I brought SD stuff he said to me just to support Uche and other users being molested by him
:stare:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on February 24, 2014, 05:02:38 pm
OK Ume, I'll stop with this, sorry for delay the thread u_u
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 24, 2014, 05:05:06 pm
No prob just enjoy life, live it to the fullest, the sky is the limit to what you can do man. And these forum posts just chaining you down
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on February 24, 2014, 05:09:25 pm
He's right. Quit Mugen, enjoy life.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 24, 2014, 05:20:17 pm
I understood what basara wanted to do, he wanted to show support fot the warning by pointing out his previous headbutts with him.
There is no need tho, sd got warned, jz report got ignored so theres no point rethreading all of that.

Thanks for the support.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on February 25, 2014, 07:05:55 am
Dev help stuff. Page 1 bumps aren't allowed ever. Page 2 bumps are provided you're the topic creator. If you also have the problem you may bump the topic as well.

If you have a variant of the problem and the topic has actually been resolved you should create your own topic, not bump and hijack an old one so people get the right information rather than something tacked on.

I now have that forum minimised so i have no idea if anyone is even replying to "bumped page 2 topics" simply to let them know that nobody has what they're after and they could try XXXX. Most of those ones were tag team related tbh. Anything else was cos i didn't see it for one reason or another.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 25, 2014, 07:09:21 am
Quote
I brought SD stuff he said to me just to support Uche and other users being molested by him
:stare:

'molested' and its cognates have a very different context in other languages.

In spanish, I believe, the verb 'molestar' is just 'to annoy' or 'to bother'.

Note: My spanish is as rusty as a very rusty thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on February 25, 2014, 07:10:55 am
Titiln is Chilean and has explored that already.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 25, 2014, 07:12:53 am
it shouldnt even need to be explored
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 25, 2014, 10:33:08 pm
Tonight, on Frontline

MFG Explores Molestation: A Special Report
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on February 25, 2014, 10:46:31 pm
Something something exploring people a lot something
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on February 26, 2014, 08:56:05 pm
I'm going to remind this:
merge these two accounts: http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/renegade-80751  and  http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/xasor-80551
(for the admins)

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 26, 2014, 09:10:14 pm
(http://caddie.smeenet.org/DontMolestBears.jpg) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHAl6Sw8aOE)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on February 26, 2014, 09:12:00 pm
:XD:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 26, 2014, 09:51:56 pm
I'm going to remind this:
merge these two accounts: http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/renegade-80751  and  http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/xasor-80551
(for the admins)
I did this successfully once.

Just merged the posts from Renegade to Xasor's. Looks like it worked. I don't remember if I am supposed to delete the old account or if they were supposed to be combined with the action. So I'll wait till I can ask ICED so I can be sure I'm not messing up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 26, 2014, 10:01:12 pm
Why did you write iced in caps
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 26, 2014, 10:41:38 pm
I'm going to remind this:
merge these two accounts: http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/renegade-80751  and  http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/xasor-80551
(for the admins)
I did this successfully once.

Just merged the posts from Renegade to Xasor's. Looks like it worked. I don't remember if I am supposed to delete the old account or if they were supposed to be combined with the action. So I'll wait till I can ask ICED so I can be sure I'm not messing up.

>:C you did it wrong.

I merged them now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 26, 2014, 10:44:57 pm
;_;

Now I must be trained again. Back to the basement I go... :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 26, 2014, 10:47:17 pm
Delete one account, attribute posts to other. Simple stuff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 26, 2014, 10:53:29 pm
I forgot I was supposed to delete 1st. I panicked!!! Tooo muuuuccchhhh pppreeeeaaassuuuuuuurrrreeeee~~~
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on February 26, 2014, 11:52:05 pm
It happens, took me a while to figure it out. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 27, 2014, 04:25:05 am
Even if the discussion is over, staff-wise, I'd like to take a moment to respond to Basara.

"douchezilla" wow are you 12
Don't start you too. I never like him and it's reciprocal
I never had a problem with you, actually, until I saw you talking shit, despite never actually having a conversation with me. I'm glad I got you to admit it (your irrational hatred towards me, that is).

you say he bullies you while you don't bully him, and that you prefer to avoid flamebait, but "douchezilla" proves otherwise to both claims. i don't know what you expected by posting that clever insult. learn to be the better man instead of answering like a child.
I never bullied him at all, so I have no earthly idea what the hell he's talking about. And while it may be "flamebaiting" (which is just a term used by people who can't control themselves from responding to a post), it was actually a reference to South Park, done in a playful style.



Again, not sure where your hatred from me comes from, but quite frankly, while I should just say I'm disappointed and want things to be good (because I do), I cannot lie― that pisses me off.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on February 27, 2014, 04:45:32 am
/me punches Jesuszilla in the air and juggles him while singing "ONE! TWO! THREE! FOUR! FIVE SIX SEVEN!"

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

y'all are too lowbrow to know what the "playful reference" is there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on February 27, 2014, 04:58:38 am
Let me answer you to put an end to this once for all, JesusZilla. I see you got bad memory or really you've been forgotten this forum, but you made this kind of comments to me in the past (many years ago when I was just a newbie creator), this isn't the first time you say something like that to me, or to anyone else. Not that I've a deep hate for you, it's just I don't forget things like that, especially from people like you.

My "DoucheZilla" mention responds directly to your "Hey, let's point Basara and laugh!", typical comment of yours that I denied and I never offended your comments nor your work to answer you like that. Just a "respect to be respected" reminder and nothing more. As I said before, only said this word and didn't answer you directly via quote to avoid derail the thread (which I couldn't avoid it because of Titiln).

If you don't want that kind of comments again, then stop the douchebag comments (and attittude) in general, not just to me. If you don't like to read my "shit" (comments or any complains to my english speaking), just avoid it and keep going with the thread. You're not better than me or anyone else here because your creations or that orange star you got, we're all MUGEN fans and flamebaits don't be needed here anymore.

That's all.

PS: Mods and admins, feel free to take actions if this continues, by my side, this is the last thing I'll say about this and case closed
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 27, 2014, 05:04:22 am
Why don't the two of you take it to PM's and/or make out to diffuse the obvious sexual tension, jeez already.

Why did you write iced in caps
It's the new wordfilter, meant "to remind us all of our the true lord and savior of MUGEN", or something. I wasn't really paying attention, didn't seem important, brainwashing via capitalized text has to be the most idiotic thing I've ever heard of, especially when you consider who it's supposed to make you worship, so who cares and all that stu--HAIL ICED.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on February 27, 2014, 05:09:41 am
Why don't the two of you take it to PM's and/or make out to diffuse the obvious sexual tension, jeez already.
Nope, that was my last word about this, I won't continue this further
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 27, 2014, 05:12:05 am
^ Too late. You already did. (not that it affects my making this post, but whatever)

My memory's gotten bad, but back in those days I made a shitton of mistakes and will say I was needlessly aggressive back then. But even so, how exactly were you a "newbie creator?" I didn't get here until 2005. Far as I know, you were creating way before I even got here, so don't give me that "I was a newbie" nonsense, unless you're referring to some rookie mistakes you probably made that I got on your ass about. Even then, as harsh as I was, I (generally) meant good by it. And get this, I was still a nice guy, if you had actually bothered to talk to me personally.

And as for the comment in that fighting game thread, that's a comment I could have directed at anyone, honestly. You're the one who took it personally, and thus too far. And you DID answer me directly because you referred to me, using a clear insult in my direction.


I honestly couldn't give less of a shit who insults me so long as they actually have a good reason. Because I could not see any good reason, I felt the need to straighten this out. Again, because you had never actually bothered to talk to me personally. And the sooner we get this out of the way, the sooner we can stop any further disruptions (like what we have here).


I can't change the past, I admit I made mistakes back then, and because I haven't done anything personally damaging or taken away THAT much peace of mind, or held ANY grudge against you (again, I didn't even know we HAD a problem), please forgive me.


At least respond back with THAT much.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 27, 2014, 05:17:31 am
No, don't respond back with that much. Take it to PM's guys, seriously.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 27, 2014, 05:18:15 am
What, taking an apology is a bad thing? I thought you WANTED to see people being nice? Well this is it!


Make up your mind, already.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 27, 2014, 05:22:19 am
... I don't even know how to respond to that.

This thread is for discussing staff behavior, to debate the actions we have taken, the bans we have given out, to suggest actions we should take, and so on. It is not the place for you two to complain at the other. You can use the handy PM function to do that, make apologies, become best friends, fly a kite, go searching for buried treasure, and more. Or even I dunno make some new thread about it in All That's Left? That seems a bit crazy but I dunno, it's better than doing it here!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 27, 2014, 05:23:12 am
I am not posting in ATL.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 27, 2014, 05:23:41 am
split this off to the shit thread if it bothers you that much, if they want to make this shit public, let them.

the "jesuszilla was mean to me, the newbie creator" claim is complete horseshit considering basara has an earlier registration date than jesuszilla.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on February 27, 2014, 05:24:53 am
I'd just prefer not to have it clutter up this thread, is all, and shitcanning stuff always should be the last resort, IMO. I think it's almost there, though!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 27, 2014, 05:25:31 am
Well, he'll need to respond to me by PM, then. I am not going into ATL. That's full of nothing but bad habits, fighting, and it's killing the forum with pointless bullshit because to me, that board only seems to encourage it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on February 27, 2014, 05:25:51 am
What, taking an apology is a bad thing? I thought you WANTED to see people being nice? Well this is it!
(http://i.imgur.com/eddxHhg.png)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 27, 2014, 05:28:32 am
Well, he'll need to respond to me by PM, then. I am not going into ATL. That's full of nothing but bad habits, fighting, and it's killing the forum with pointless bullshit because to me, that board only seems to encourage it.
i don't know where you get the idea that people behave like completely different animals depending on the board they're posting in. arguments and fighting happen in other boards too, and this board (discuss about forum events and decisions and the staff) is especially prone to it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 27, 2014, 05:30:26 am
I didn't say it was dependent on the board in which they're posting. I said that the behavior that happens in that board encourages bad habits that can spread to the rest of the forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Pigeot on February 27, 2014, 05:41:58 am
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Agreed with Jesus and Jmorphman.


Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Absolutely agreed to the point where I'm baffled by who he thought he was fooling. I can't believe this.


Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Agree once again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 27, 2014, 05:45:29 am
This conversation is fucking stupid. It's old shit, and irrelevant shit at that. You can all take it to PMs, cause you won't be doing it here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on February 27, 2014, 05:48:50 am
PS: Mods and admins, feel free to take actions if this continues, by my side, this is the last thing I'll say about this and case closed
This.

JZ, if you want an answer, you'll get it via PM. Not now, maybe later, but you'll get it. The rest of you, stop derailing this thread, please
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on February 27, 2014, 05:50:04 am
Time to get back to work people.
Chop, chop.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on February 28, 2014, 08:08:52 pm
So JNP wants to HoF a selection of posts in the USF4 thread. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1919503)

http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/hall-fame-section-80505.0.html

Sepp made this thread 5 years ago and it's sorely underused now (I didn't even know it existed). Maybe it should be stickied or something.

I know that the HoF thread itself has a sticky but no one goes there (also it's locked so you can't request there). I understand that people (Trinitronity ;P ) may frequently request non-HoF worthy threads, but it wouldn't be any different from the full games request section a few years ago.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 28, 2014, 08:13:26 pm
My post wanting to HOF some USF4 posts was a joke :p
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on February 28, 2014, 08:22:07 pm
:'(

Aye, I could've swore it wasn't.
Never mind this then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: jaede_ on March 01, 2014, 03:56:45 am
I think the handling of the post deletion could use a bit more of care, some posts deleted that can be viewed here (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1919788) were actually on topic for the discussion of the thread, such as this one (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1919793), this one (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1919803), This one (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1919815) and a few others.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 01, 2014, 03:58:26 am
You know you linked CAN's post twice, right?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: jaede_ on March 01, 2014, 03:58:43 am
You know you linked CAN's post twice, right?

oops.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Warden-San on March 01, 2014, 04:00:13 am
I think it's really just to clean the counter since this is a sequential list. I don't know. This thread is a creature of chaos...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: jaede_ on March 01, 2014, 04:02:53 am
I think it's really just to clean the counter since this is a sequential list. I don't know. This thread is a creature of chaos...

Even then, Umezono did the job of keep number ordering one time the numbers went to hell.. for the nth time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 01, 2014, 04:05:09 am
Meh, the counter has been off sequence since 114 anyway. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/1000-best-things-about-mugen-157667.40.html)

Thanks Sage. ;P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 01, 2014, 04:07:17 am
I think it's really just to clean the counter since this is a sequential list. I don't know. This thread is a creature of chaos...

Pretty much, was going to delete all hentai references that were tapping after the warning jnp delivered but when I started seeing the logistics I would have had to delete callbacks and people answering others and leave the list all full of gaps, its not like it takes long to fill it back up.

I manually edited the numbers properly in a few pages of tha tthread im not doing THAT again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: jaede_ on March 01, 2014, 04:12:13 am
Well that explains everything, thanks for the answer.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempestSageJDJ on March 01, 2014, 04:26:02 am
Meh, the counter has been off sequence since 114 anyway. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/1000-best-things-about-mugen-157667.40.html)

Thanks Sage. ;P

Well, I feel like an ass now. I didn't even notice that.  :stars:

Well at least I started a 'trend'...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 01, 2014, 04:32:28 am
If it makes you feel better, most are repeats anyway and it's not like you were part of a thread derailment involving NSFW anime.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 01, 2014, 06:03:28 am
I think it's really just to clean the counter since this is a sequential list. I don't know. This thread is a creature of chaos...

Even then, Umezono did the job of keep number ordering one time the numbers went to hell.. for the nth time.
Im gonna be real here I was stoned while doing it and I'm pretty sure I fucked up cause I spent like 30 seconds on each number. Wont happen again :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 01, 2014, 06:08:18 am
LOL
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on March 01, 2014, 06:12:52 am
LOL. Wow, I love the staff here already.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on March 01, 2014, 06:25:23 am
Joke's on you I skipped a number and no one noticed. :^)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 01, 2014, 06:38:04 am
Well, at least the numbering didn't get too silly and revert to decimals.

Doraemariby skipped 24 way back in the third post. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1917016) :book2:
I have nothing better to do right now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 01, 2014, 01:55:33 pm
Holy cow, these users don't even know how to count!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 02, 2014, 04:42:13 am
two questions about award shit:
1: are you really going to use these (http://i.imgur.com/7fomW9F.png)? it's confusing. the red star is for admins. the slightly different red star is for contest winners. that's terrible
2: why isn't there a single board for contests instead of separated in stage and character boards. there aren't enough threads to justify this separation
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 02, 2014, 04:49:31 am
2: why isn't there a single board for contests instead of separated in stage and character boards. there aren't enough threads to justify this separation
The separation is for convenience. It's easier to archive results and whatnot in separate boards. That's what I've gleaned from JNP's explanation.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 02, 2014, 04:55:50 am
(http://i.imgur.com/2pzHcJQ.png)
What about this for a CotY star? Or maybe it's too close to the Network star? I dunno, we're running out of colors and I'm not good at this shit.

I also still think it makes more sense to have one combined board
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 02, 2014, 04:57:15 am
(http://i.imgur.com/2pzHcJQ.png)
I think it's dark enough to be noticeably different.

I'm going to remain neutral on the separate boards vs combined board issue.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 02, 2014, 04:59:01 am
i don't see where the huge inconvenience is in having to deal with two thread types when archiving. two more stickies? in a board that would have four new threads monthly? that's not an issue. it's also inconvenient for whoever's voting, why should i check two different boards to vote for this month's shit once it goes up? where would a screenpack of the year thread go?

there are more possibilities than different star colors. you could have one star for awards with small text like CH for character or ST for stage. you could also make it something else instead of a star, like a circle or a small trophy thing. there are more options than Weird Red
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 02, 2014, 05:00:12 am
where would a screenpack of the year thread go?
We haven't quite figured out how a screenpack of the year award would work if we're going to have it happen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 02, 2014, 05:03:05 am
Pink, orange, dark cyan, gray, white

Maybe work with those? There's probably more unused colors. Hell, rainbow could even have a use for once
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 02, 2014, 05:04:56 am
i don't see where the huge inconvenience is in having to deal with two thread types when archiving. two more stickies? in a board that would have four new threads monthly? that's not an issue. it's also inconvenient for whoever's voting, why should i check two different boards to vote for this month's shit once it goes up? where would a screenpack of the year thread go?

there are more possibilities than different star colors. you could have one star for awards with small text like CH for character or ST for stage. you could also make it something else instead of a star, like a circle or a small trophy thing. there are more options than Weird Red
in the screenpack contests board, douh.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 02, 2014, 05:07:37 am
there are more possibilities than different star colors. you could have one star for awards with small text like CH for character or ST for stage. you could also make it something else instead of a star, like a circle or a small trophy thing. there are more options than Weird Red
I think trophies would work pretty well. Get on that, someone. Wait I know, get on it, @Lith:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vgma2 on March 02, 2014, 05:13:54 am
Didn't you guys use to have squares or something for some reason?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 02, 2014, 05:19:03 am
RE: skype thread being a sticky

it doesn't need to be a sticky.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 02, 2014, 05:19:59 am
I could recolor those stars if those weren´t so complicated. I mean, I tried.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 02, 2014, 11:32:27 am
I'm going to combine the awards boards. Just haven't gotten around to it. Work weekend sucks time and soul away.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on March 02, 2014, 12:48:25 pm
Made some things just because. Use them if you wish.
(http://i.imgur.com/9eF3INO.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/MreDh8n.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/uup6t2a.png)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 02, 2014, 01:00:10 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/MreDh8n.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/uup6t2a.png)

I like these ones. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 02, 2014, 01:01:56 pm
Outside of the issue of the gold star looking too similar to the yellow ones, that looks good.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on March 02, 2014, 01:04:15 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/MreDh8n.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/uup6t2a.png)

I like these ones. :)

Outside of the issue of the gold star looking too similar to the yellow ones, that looks good.

Thanks. I'll recolor what I've made for the trophies if anyone wants more trophy designs.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DMK on March 02, 2014, 01:16:26 pm
Would this be the proper place for me to talk about combing and removing stickys to? I was thinking with the recent work going around to condense the top of the boards that maybe combining 'last game you stopped playing/finished' could be done, but with maybe some thought put into it and extending the overall lines to 6 or at the least if someone likes to go in depth include a tl;dr version above or below sticking the original constraints.  Obviously the 3DS friendcode would be unstickied once the profile one goes into effect leaving it looking fairly uniform once done.

This would be of course if it could be done without being a clusterfuck and if anyone thinks it matters on the Gaming board to do so.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mariodude21 on March 02, 2014, 02:17:15 pm
Mark my words. You may ban me, but I shall return! Ha, ha, ha, ha!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 02, 2014, 02:17:46 pm
What's wrong with this guy?

- http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/capcom-vs-the-world-sonic-hedgehog-sprites-hypersonic-wedits-seanaltly-snakebyte-157791.msg1920904.html;topicseen#msg1920904

- http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/your-releases-mugen-1-0-re-fighters-megamix-screenpack-m-u-g-e-n-1-0--157792.0.html

- http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/found-releases-re-donkey-kong-ax-157789.0.html

- http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/capcom-vs-the-world-the-roster-thread-new-characters-added-82913-157794.msg1920915.html;topicseen#msg1920915

- http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/your-releases-older-mugen-re-polar-world-mario-bros-series-157797.msg1920920.html;topicseen#msg1920920

- http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1920921

- http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1920926

- http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1920928

All today. For no apparent reason.

Mark my words. You may ban me, but I shall return! Ha, ha, ha, ha!

Funny, I reported you here and you show up.

You're not funny. Do you want to get banned? Why don't you just log out?
And if you get banned, and you re-appear, you'll get reported and eventually banned again and again until you're tired of registering.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Erroratu on March 02, 2014, 02:19:30 pm
who are you anyway?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 02, 2014, 02:21:43 pm
Who knows... he just started posting bad.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on March 02, 2014, 02:27:38 pm
Why do I have this feeling it is someone who dislikes the forum? Or may possibly have been banned from it previously?

     Posted: March 02, 2014, 02:37:40 pm
ALSO**** More ideas I whipped up for fun:

(http://i.imgur.com/EGWaq1h.png)(http://i.imgur.com/82GUvOw.png)(http://i.imgur.com/Oc94FwE.png)(http://i.imgur.com/40efgQ6.png)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mariodude21 on March 02, 2014, 02:39:20 pm
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! You'll never ban me!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 02, 2014, 02:40:00 pm
Why do I have this feeling it is someone who dislikes the forum? Or may possibly have been banned from it previously?

      Posted: March 02, 2014, 02:37:40 pm
ALSO**** More ideas I whipped up for fun:

(http://i.imgur.com/EGWaq1h.png)(http://i.imgur.com/82GUvOw.png)(http://i.imgur.com/Oc94FwE.png)(http://i.imgur.com/40efgQ6.png)
^
While they are nice, they are a little too big scratch that, they are probably not meant to stay near the stars.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! You'll never ban me!
Shut up, idiot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on March 02, 2014, 02:48:12 pm
While they are nice, they are a little too big scratch that, they are probably not meant to stay near the stars.
Eh I have the other base if things don't work well with that one, but I think that one I JUST posted looks nicer; I can work with either. Lol
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Erroratu on March 02, 2014, 02:51:50 pm
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! You'll never ban me!

Looking through your post history you were a pretty normal user till now.
So either you went coockoo or someone got your accounts password.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Person Man on March 02, 2014, 03:47:09 pm
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! You'll never ban me!

@Mariodude21:  Want to bet?  I don't know what you're playing at with this "try and ban me if you dare" schtick, but it ends now.  Cut this nonsense out now or yes, you will be banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 02, 2014, 05:01:54 pm
sounds like someone hacked his account, so ban him and inform the previous email of what happened.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 02, 2014, 05:09:17 pm
why would you ban a dehactivated account, its already unabe to acess the site.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 02, 2014, 05:16:04 pm
ah, did not notice it was already unactive. then just email teh originla email if available (logs?)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on March 02, 2014, 05:16:14 pm
Made some things just because. Use them if you wish.
(http://i.imgur.com/9eF3INO.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/MreDh8n.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/uup6t2a.png)

:2thumbsup:

Perhaps the trophies could be CotY/SotY icons?? I really like those.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 02, 2014, 05:18:39 pm
why would someone hack the account of a nobody to post shit, wouldn't it be easier to just get an account
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 02, 2014, 05:21:56 pm
ah, did not notice it was already unactive. then just email teh originla email if available (logs?)
doesnt seem worth it. it all looks as if he did it to his own account and emailing him wouldnt solve anything if he didnt.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 02, 2014, 05:27:08 pm
why would someone hack the account of a nobody to post shit, wouldn't it be easier to just get an account
a personal grudge. you know like those guys that are famous in youtube/whatever and are not known anywhere else.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 02, 2014, 05:32:10 pm
i still find it really unlikely.
here's a trophy icon that matches the star size and style. recolor it or whatever. (http://i.imgur.com/Ac25Qhb.png)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on March 02, 2014, 05:32:31 pm
Or they have nothing better to do and want to tarnish someone else's account. Imagine if someone hacked Titiln!?

i still find it really unlikely.
here's a trophy icon that matches the star size and style. recolor it or whatever. (http://i.imgur.com/Ac25Qhb.png)

And that is cool.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 02, 2014, 05:33:28 pm
that's why i said hacking the account of a nobody seems like a waste of time
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 02, 2014, 05:47:47 pm
Looks like he's back
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 02, 2014, 05:49:40 pm
Quote
(http://i.imgur.com/Ac25Qhb.png)

Idk, the solid trophy is easier to read and isn't as eye straining.
Maybe it's just the bright color.

Btw, just lay the hammer on the account; not losing anything of high value.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 02, 2014, 05:50:09 pm
Well. That happened.

EDIT: Seems he made another account (http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/dinky21-83763) to keep going. I just gave it a three days ban because I'm really not in the mood to deal with this kind of shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 02, 2014, 05:59:18 pm
Idk, the solid trophy is easier to read and isn't as eye straining.
it's the same style as the stars, so that would mean the current stars are eye straining and difficult to read

also how the fuck are "easier to read" and "eye straining" factors in a thing that you look at for a second at best
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 02, 2014, 06:00:11 pm
he used his alan nunes email to register the new account, so i just banned that one.
Email: arthur alannunes77@gmail.com
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 02, 2014, 06:06:02 pm
also how the fuck are "easier to read" and "eye straining" factors in a thing that you look at for a second at best

It's the same thing you said about the names some time ago (although the names being easily visible is more important than stars and trophies).

I see where your coming from though. I still think the colors shouldn't be too bright.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 02, 2014, 06:41:40 pm
(http://mugenguild.com/forum/Themes/mfg/images/stars/star_big_purple.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/pMILi6N.png)(http://mugenguild.com/forum/Themes/mfg/images/stars/star_big_orange.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/Ac25Qhb.png)(http://mugenguild.com/forum/Themes/mfg/images/stars/star_big_gold.gif)
i don't really see how it's particularly hard to read or identify
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 02, 2014, 06:42:36 pm
IMO the trophies should be downsized just a tad to fit more with the stars. It looks kinda funny atm.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 02, 2014, 06:51:45 pm
Oddly, they are the same size. It won't look as bad when aligned next to the stars.

(http://mugenguild.com/forum/Themes/mfg/images/stars/star_big_purple.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/pMILi6N.png)(http://mugenguild.com/forum/Themes/mfg/images/stars/star_big_orange.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/Ac25Qhb.png)(http://mugenguild.com/forum/Themes/mfg/images/stars/star_big_gold.gif)
i don't really see how it's particularly hard to read or identify

A yellow trophy would look a bit off, but that color won't be used anyway.
Yeah, it's fine. Guess the bronze color looked odd at first glance
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 02, 2014, 07:17:31 pm
Oddly, they are the same size.
The top point of the star is much thinner than the top half of the trophy, obviously the trophy looks much more massive than the star because of it. It would actually look the same size only if you put the trophy upside-down (because the base is thinner), but evidently that's not an option, so the alternative is making the trophy a little smaller.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 02, 2014, 07:28:06 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Ac25Qhb.png)(http://mugenguild.com/forum/Themes/mfg/images/stars/star_big_purple.gif)(http://mugenguild.com/forum/Themes/mfg/images/stars/star_big_gold.gif)(http://mugenguild.com/forum/Themes/mfg/images/stars/star_big_gold.gif)(http://mugenguild.com/forum/Themes/mfg/images/stars/star_big_gold.gif)

They're both 16x16, but trophy does certainly takes up much more volume on the top. It doesn't look that bad imo (maybe a pixel or two could be removed from the cup of the trophy).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 02, 2014, 07:29:14 pm
If they're to the left of the regular stars it looks a lot better than just being mashed together along with the stars. That'd require re-ordering peoples' stars though.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on March 02, 2014, 07:51:11 pm
Let's use those
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 02, 2014, 07:55:25 pm
Let's use those
Yes, but first you need to recolor them. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on March 02, 2014, 08:14:53 pm
Let's use those
Yes, but first you need to recolor them. :)

What colors do you want? I can recolor for you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Víctorys on March 02, 2014, 08:20:11 pm
I made a few random colors, don't know if any would work
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/2_zps53069e2c.png)(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/3_zps2279fdb3.png)(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/4_zps877800e6.png)
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/5_zps0108f570.png)(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/6_zpsfda5bb39.png)(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/7_zpsa086c77f.png)
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/8_zps7d63716d.png)
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/9_zpscf6b1016.png)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on March 02, 2014, 10:06:24 pm
Let's use those

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 03, 2014, 02:13:00 am
Moved the threads from Stage of the Month to Character of the Month board. Deleted SotM board. What should we rename the board? Awards?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Tyrant Belial on March 03, 2014, 02:14:42 am
Awards of the Month maybe? I mean, it's straight to the point.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 03, 2014, 02:17:35 am
Awards.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 03, 2014, 02:20:15 am
Contribution of the Month
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 03, 2014, 02:39:50 am
Iced mind control facilities.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 03, 2014, 02:41:05 am
If we have contribution of the month make it the rainbow star
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 03, 2014, 02:51:56 am
The board is Contribution of the Month, and the awards are Character and Stage otM.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 03, 2014, 03:41:27 am
Contribution of the month sounds good.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 03, 2014, 03:59:30 am
two awards are given monthly so it should be contributions
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 03, 2014, 04:10:05 am
Contributions of the Months and the Years!!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 03, 2014, 04:11:08 am
Contribution Awards
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 03, 2014, 04:17:09 am
I just named it 2 mods one can. Aka JMorphMan and saikoro award each other.

Oh neat, my phone now autocorrects JMorphMan's name correctly. He's infected my damn phone! >:-(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 03, 2014, 04:50:53 am
Alright let's go back to trophy stars.

We're probably gonna use the orange star for contests, so let's make the CotM star the green one because the old CotM star was green.
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/3_zps2279fdb3.png)

Blue is color of the current CotY star, so let's go with that. Maybe recolor it slightly to make it look less like the gmod star, or maybe that's not important? I dunno!
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/2_zps53069e2c.png)

I dunno about the rest, these seemed like the most distinctive ones left; there's stage of the month now so it should get one and we might possibly be doing screenpack of the year
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/7_zpsa086c77f.png)
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/5_zps0108f570.png)
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/9_zpscf6b1016.png)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 03, 2014, 05:11:03 am
SotM should be pink because I like that color.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on March 03, 2014, 06:41:41 am
SotM should be pink because I like that color.
I agree.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 03, 2014, 07:51:31 pm
About the "Resource Releases" icon, maybe you can resize this image: http://eofdreams.com/data_images/dreams/box/box-01.jpg
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on March 03, 2014, 09:31:27 pm
About the "Resource Releases" icon, maybe you can resize this image: http://eofdreams.com/data_images/dreams/box/box-01.jpg

(http://i.imgur.com/B80XLry.png)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 03, 2014, 09:45:13 pm
It is nice, but not that small.
If you look at this image, you can get the correct size: http://mugenguild.com/forum/Themes/mfg/images/boardicons.png
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Víctorys on March 03, 2014, 10:17:06 pm
What about this one
(http://i57.tinypic.com/bi9veq.jpg)

And two slightly recolored blue trophies
(http://i62.tinypic.com/fuqrk.jpg)(http://i59.tinypic.com/fa4hl1.jpg)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 06, 2014, 05:18:27 am
I'll just leave this here. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1923480)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 06, 2014, 05:24:05 am
i for one am glad he finally got his 94th chance
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 06, 2014, 05:28:29 am
Hooray for sudden unbanning of perma banned people. Hooray!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 06, 2014, 05:29:04 am
Eh, at this point it doesn't matter to me
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 06, 2014, 05:29:23 am
Hooray for sudden unbanning of perma banned people. Hooray!
Sudden? No. We talked it over for quite some time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 06, 2014, 05:29:41 am
i still dont know who this guy is or why i shouold care because i forgot to read the links the staff told me to read. go me
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 06, 2014, 05:30:48 am
I'll just leave this here. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1923480)
So glad i'm no longer a mod.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 06, 2014, 05:30:59 am
And I still don´t see the reason to unbanning him... or it was her?? Can´t remember. Would be too much of a hassle asking for a link with that discussion??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 06, 2014, 05:32:04 am
The discussion to unban him was private.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 06, 2014, 05:35:50 am
Eh, at this point it doesn't matter to me

Same here (especially since I only know of Navana by past history).
Unbanning the exiled... hopefully the time was spent on self-reflection.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 06, 2014, 05:38:01 am
Basically it came down to the fact that it has been 2 years and if he does something similar to what he'd done to get banned previously then he'll get banned again for 3 years. It came down to a vote. 1 staff member more voted to allow him back than keep him banned.

He asked via email so it had to remain private. (In before "no shit he had to ask by email he was banned")
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 06, 2014, 05:42:50 am
So he asked via e-mail for an opportunity?? mmm this is still a bad idea and a really volatile test, different to Maverik who keeped a low profile via fofai for a while, staying calm (thought still the same case). I hope this doesn´t turn into a backfire.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 06, 2014, 05:43:45 am
It wouldn't be a very long backfire if it does.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 06, 2014, 05:45:11 am
More of a backfire is the idea of unbanning a volatile member just to ban him again. At least he asked politely so I´m gonna just zip it from here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 06, 2014, 05:47:30 am
i dont get how that is more of a backfire
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on March 06, 2014, 05:59:08 am
I've a bad feeling about this... seriously...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 06, 2014, 06:17:35 am
i guess it's a bad precedent because permabanned users can get unbanned if they ask nicely, but it already happened with maverik. and that turned out ok. worst case scenario navana posts dumb shit and gets banned again. no big deal. i just don't understand why, considering all the chances and all the effort staff wasted trying to educate him. oh well
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 06, 2014, 10:45:04 am
I think the main difference between Maverick and Navana is that Maverick was unbanned once, and only given that one chance.

Navana has already been unbanned once, and then re-banned. Really unlikely anything will change.

Unban SBZ or some other moron, atleast those are amusing to make fun of!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 06, 2014, 10:48:01 am
#UnbanKFM
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Watta on March 06, 2014, 10:53:15 am
I've a bad feeling about this... seriously...

^  but I cant really do much since he/she is already unbanned
#UnbanKFM

lol, he's been banned for long enough too right?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on March 06, 2014, 11:12:53 am
#UnbanKFM

Last time it went to vote it was pretty much a fullcount no( it wasnt that long ago ) , although i think motvn ban should be lifted.

Ash is a far better person nowadays. I met him back when he was KFM and he was kinda rude and I disliked how he behaved like. That was a freaking long time ago though. Nowadays he's a totally different person. Even I am able to talk to him whenever he drops into a chat I'm present and not once I thought of him as an aggressive person and I see absolutely nothing wrong with him (He even acknowledges how shitty his behavior was back then).

The point is, you guys gave him several chances long time ago in a certain time span when he was... well, like that, when he was just KFM. Maybe it took him longer to change than JZ and me but if he's actually a totally functional person to have around nowadays then why not lift the ban?

Most of you were kinda cruel back then so why are you so surprised at what he did in the past? Jesus Christ, one of you (I don't want to say WHO because I'm not 100% sure but IIRC it was somebody who was a mod and is now a normal user here) even created a thread about me, quoting many of my engrish posts (SPAM) when I was a forum newbie and even opened a poll in the same thread asking what to do with me (Banning, muting, warning, etc.) which was closed by another moderator because it was obvious that people who didn't know about me back then would've voted for the "ban" option because it's the funny thing to do.

I wouldn't call Ash a "friend" or anything yet I would like to see him unbanned anyway after so many years. Is not like he's still the same immature brat from back then who wanted to control the entire mugen community.

Sorry to bring this up while there are other 30 conversations happening at the same time but yeah... is not like most of the staff talks to him (Understandable) or even knows him to begin with.

Can I honestly ask you to bring that up again later on in the feedback thread or something of that effect? This is realyl not the best spot to be giving that the proper attention you deserve. Im sorry.

Took me a month but I finally brought it back  :wacky:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bea on March 06, 2014, 11:31:43 am
I am sorry, but this is an extremely poor decision and shows that the staff is biased and partial.
Ash remains banned, but Navana, who caused as much trouble is now given yet another chance?

Be consistent, bloody heck.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 06, 2014, 11:38:32 am
... how the hell has Navana caused just as much trouble? Cause I sure don't remember him deleting the entire forum.

Maverik was far worse than Navana, and he's now unbanned, and that all worked well. It remains to be seen whether the same will be true for Navana, and he's on a very tight leash. And none of what he did before was particularly devastating to the forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 06, 2014, 11:45:49 am
He used pink comic sans!

HE'S A GOD DAMN MURDERER
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 06, 2014, 12:00:14 pm
Cause I sure don't remember him deleting the entire forum.
Then again I don't remember him having admin access to the database either. What do you think would have happened if he had been an admin ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 06, 2014, 12:02:10 pm
Tis but one example of many. There's plenty to choose from when he wasn't able to do that. All worse than Navana's antics.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on March 06, 2014, 12:02:42 pm
I think the bigger question is "who the fuck cares?" Granted I don't talk to Ash on a regular basis, but I wasn't even aware that he was still even interested in the engine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on March 06, 2014, 12:17:05 pm
There's a lot of people among us who don't really care about the engine yet come to this site anyway. Including mods and admins.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 06, 2014, 12:18:34 pm
You'll eventually finish that KOF fullgame whether you like it or not. >:[
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on March 06, 2014, 12:19:43 pm
You'll eventually finish that KOF fullgame whether you like it or not. >:[

He is still working on that project? It feels like it has been forever since I have seen anything on it. Last time I saw it, he was working on Vanessa.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on March 06, 2014, 12:22:06 pm
You'll eventually finish that KOF fullgame whether you like it or not. >:[

I've been working on a mugen project I'm getting paid for in the last months, which uses KOF: NC as a base for its coding. I am not a good example for "people who retired from mugen"... yet :V

So it's on hold until I finish the current job, then I'll resume the work on KOF, but hey! At least people around here will finally get a (Complete) fullgame with original characters once I finish this commission! That's not something that happens too often in this forum :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 06, 2014, 12:33:37 pm
Basically it came down to the fact that it has been 2 years and if he does something similar to what he'd done to get banned previously then he'll get banned again for 3 years. It came down to a vote. 1 staff member more voted to allow him back than keep him banned.

He asked via email so it had to remain private. (In before "no shit he had to ask by email he was banned")

Uh, it hasn't been two years.

It's been a year and three months.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 06, 2014, 02:31:56 pm
Ash remains banned, but Navana, who caused as much trouble is now given yet another chance?

Be consistent, bloody heck.
navana: lied about his pictures, his alt accounts, was an attention whore in general, threw away all the extra chances he got, generally wasted everyone's time
kfm: deleted this forum, almost killed the community with the oh no my creators rights horseshit he pushed for years

you are being fucking ridiculous
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 06, 2014, 02:44:41 pm
oh no if we unban kaffum he'll delete this forum AGAIN

PANIC PANIC PANIC
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bea on March 06, 2014, 02:46:53 pm
No, I am not.
They are being inconsistent as heck. I don't care that Ash remains banned, but Navana had burned his chances long ago and should remain banned as well. Maverick stealths in and is granted another chance as well.
Jesuszilla shows up and a rule is created to prevent a behaviour of his from years ago.

These actions show that the staff is being biased with their decisions and only give ammo for their critics.
This is and will remain a very poor decision that might trigger another round of forum drama like the one we had weeks ago.
I stood by Iced and the staff on that one, but this time they're in the wrong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on March 06, 2014, 02:52:18 pm
I'm walking on a strict line here in saying anything, but I just want to say that yes, there has been plenty of mistakes and issues created by me in the past.

I own up to them and admit they were wrong. I won't say much more other then I'm here to continue to do what I like, and that's MUGEN and social activity.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mechy on March 06, 2014, 02:53:44 pm
Can I still call him a cunt?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on March 06, 2014, 02:54:55 pm
One thing is sure. If i ever get banned again, i will just make a new account a few days later, keep a low profile for 2-3 months and after that, unleash the terrible truth in the forums that i was always here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on March 06, 2014, 02:56:57 pm
i will murder one of the mods brag about it then get permabanned then I'll wait a month or so then half heartedly apologize to one of the admins and get welcomed back like nothing ever happened
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 06, 2014, 02:58:37 pm
I'll just leave this here. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1923480)
So glad i'm no longer a mod.

There was a voting and it won by one.

I should point out that i dont agree with this unbanning at all , but i cant refute it either because of votes.

Navana was a huge asshole banned not even a year ago after being given a chance by rajaa himself to come back. I didnt agree then, I dont agree now. unlike maverik navana has always been a fony asshole that always lied to get whatever he wanted at the time, and I wont trust anything from him until far far more is given.

It doesnt help that he sent those emails claiming to have changed ( after a year, great change ) to jnp and val, but not to me because he already knew I was around last time he was trying to publicize anti mugenguild.

Navana attitude was one that i dont consider excusable, but as always, I took it to votes and the votes won him a chance.

     Posted: March 06, 2014, 03:03:26 pm
There's a lot of people among us who don't really care about the engine yet come to this site anyway. Including mods and admins.


wait hold up

adminS ?


there are three admins, valodim, Iced and JNP

JNP is always sharing material, val is doing the forum stuff, who are the admins that dont care about mugen?
Are you saying I dont care about mugen?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 06, 2014, 03:04:56 pm
Maverick and Navana asked nicely to come back.

Navana barely made it back. Almost half the staff voted no. 1 more voted yes

Several staff members (myself included) don't feel perma bans are a good solution anymore unless it's quite serious

The Release rule was made to prevent future releases from having insults.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Here's the thing. We don't care who is posting here as what account. As long as they are not being disruptive no one cares! Get banned and come right back with an alt account acting as you should and the moderation was a success.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 06, 2014, 03:16:58 pm
i still dont know who this guy is or why i shouold care because i forgot to read the links the staff told me to read. go me

...but you voted.  You really shouldnt have voted on something you didnt care to read up on.

Please take votings seriously.


Im going to pull a caddie and be really obnoxious about all of this if it goes wrong like i said it would.
---

Also, Kafuhm last interaction was about 2 years ago, when RS got deleted but then turned out to be all hosted by bea and it was a ploy to bargain for a unban, when that come to light kfm told me he never wanted to be unbanned anyway.

Weeks later he had another moment of "I was manipulating all of you!!" at which point I simply deleted him from my contacts, this was about a year and a half ago,  someone going from 13 to 20 i can believe having changed, someone going from 20 to 25, sure they might have changed.  Someone that did all he did over the time and whose last notes were all about trying to trick people, ehhh.. im not convinced.

Mind, im not convinced about nav either. I am very convinced about maverik, he never fooled people or tried to trick others, im happily surprised with how he shifted.

Other people who i think have become increasingly better with time, tetsuo9, gbk, a lot of the newer kids, even Duckss. 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 06, 2014, 03:25:16 pm
...but you voted.  You really shouldnt have voted on something you didnt care to read up on.

Please take votings seriously.
DID HE VOTE YES OR NO
RECOUUUUUUNT
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 06, 2014, 03:26:00 pm
iced bush doesn't care about mugen people
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 06, 2014, 03:26:55 pm
well, let me explain then. the reasoning behind me not reading that stuff was because i just went off what you guys said, which led me to believe it was not worth reading up on such an issue. "he acted like a shithead and got banned" is all you need to know. people assign too much significance to past actions here. i voted based on email and summation of the topics, otherwise i dont know who this is or need to care who this is. hes just a member. im not spending valuable time reading old drama and watching members wave their dicks around at eachother to help sway my decision.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Thedge on March 06, 2014, 03:31:00 pm
With all respect, that's a terrible way to mod people IMO.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 06, 2014, 03:32:11 pm
I disagree, a terrible way to mod people is to let other people's year old opinions sway your opinion. Moderating should be done from a completely neutral standpoint as possible on the actions alone. At least for me as a new mod, I'm not qualified to make judgement on people I don't know based on what other people say.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 06, 2014, 03:33:50 pm
What he's saying goes together with what JNP said, basically if he doesn't shitpost again he doesn't get banned and the moderation was a success, if he does it again he gets banned again. What he did in the past is irrelevant --- unless you're pretty sure he'll do it again.
Not that the same applies to KFM. Because he deleted the forum like, what, 5 or 8 years ago or something. He might do the same if he's unbanned, you know.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 06, 2014, 03:37:05 pm
What he's saying goes together with what JNP said, basically if he doesn't shitpost again he doesn't get banned and the moderation was a success, if he does it again he gets banned again. What he did in the past is irrelevant --- unless you're pretty sure he'll do it again.
Not that the same applies to KFM. Because he deleted the forum like, what, 5 or 8 years ago or something. He might do the same if he's unbanned, you know.

i like the way this guy thinks, plus he can actually explain himself, replace me with him immediately
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 06, 2014, 03:41:07 pm
The forum deletion is no where near as bad as almost destroying the community. And on top of that Ash hasn't sent a "I promise I have changed" email either.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ExShadow on March 06, 2014, 03:44:11 pm
Welcome back to the forum Navana, enjoy your stay.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 06, 2014, 03:48:08 pm
And on top of that Ash hasn't sent a "I promise I have changed" email either.

if a dick-sucking email is all it takes to get unbanned, i don't know what to say
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 06, 2014, 03:51:03 pm
Um, it's not.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 06, 2014, 03:52:22 pm
And on top of that Ash hasn't sent a "I promise I have changed" email either.
No, but a "third party" person has made that exact comment, which IMO holds more ground than he himself making that claim. Someone else saying "yeah, he changed" is much more believable than he himself saying "I promise I changed".
The forum deletion is no where near as bad as almost destroying the community.
Yeah, yeah, the "destroying the community" part is a matter of opinions, not a fact. It's just an opinion shared by most people in the staff here, doesn't make it a fact.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 06, 2014, 04:06:37 pm
You're right. In my opinion promoting the usage of scare tactics like malware and trying to actually take websites offline for "creator rights" is a bad thing. Let's now talk about the ethics of society as a whole. Because in it it's pretty frowned upon to try and hate and belittle.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 06, 2014, 04:13:16 pm
Wasn't the malware thing an unwanted side-effect out of the control of the site it happened on ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 06, 2014, 04:18:09 pm
I hardly think a list of "all the bad things ash made"tm is going to change the mind of anyone that doesnt like him or anyone that already is his friend.


To both byakko and jnp, i dont think this is a useful use of both your times. specially considering the last messages we have are him saying he doesnt want to be unbanned  following the various bouts and attempts of manipulation.
Considering this, I dont think its worth to be shitting on the guy when he isnt even around.

While I dont like navana and im biased against him, I dont think its fair to compare him to kfm and his cult thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on March 06, 2014, 04:31:17 pm
I disagree, a terrible way to mod people is to let other people's year old opinions sway your opinion. Moderating should be done from a completely neutral standpoint as possible on the actions alone. At least for me as a new mod, I'm not qualified to make judgement on people I don't know based on what other people say.

Marry me, have my babies!

I voted to let Navana back because I think people do change and gain maturity.  I dont have a problem with allowing anyone back after a year if they have been a contributing member of the community in the past and say they have changed and want to come back.  If they go back to the nonsense that got them banned to begin with, they get banned again.  I don't believe in permabans (unless the owner wants someone gone for good, porn spammers, etc) and I think a year is long enough for anyone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 06, 2014, 05:01:00 pm
While I dont like navana and im biased against him, I dont think its fair to compare him to kfm and his cult thing.
basically this. putting navana in the same league as kfm is all sorts of stupid
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on March 06, 2014, 07:16:58 pm
I purposely didn't vote on the subject of Navana.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on March 06, 2014, 11:30:02 pm
Welcome back to the forum Navana, enjoy your stay.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 07, 2014, 12:51:03 am
I disagree, a terrible way to mod people is to let other people's year old opinions sway your opinion. Moderating should be done from a completely neutral standpoint as possible on the actions alone. At least for me as a new mod, I'm not qualified to make judgement on people I don't know based on what other people say.

And yet you voted anyway, apparently?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 07, 2014, 12:58:08 am
taking me out of context i see, the previous post already explained i made my judgement based on his email and summation of why he got banned. im not voting based on what people think of him. sorry.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on March 07, 2014, 01:10:26 am
WELL! I've never liked people who vote for banned users to get unbanned without even reading their posts first but you don't see me complaining about that! :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 07, 2014, 01:11:48 am
jesus, who crapped in your cereal today?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on March 07, 2014, 01:19:31 am
jesus, who crapped in your cereal today?
It's just something you are going to have to honestly understand. They have a reason to respond the way they do; there isn't any reason to really fight back. Although, I agree the past is the past.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 07, 2014, 01:21:02 am
jesus, who crapped in your cereal today?
YOU DID WHEN YOU UNBANN*incoherent muffled sounds*
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 07, 2014, 01:25:34 am
Okay, Iced gave me the idea i should really clean up misconceptions about my post

I was joking about not knowing who he was but its true I didnt read the posts. That is because I read his email, and read the other staff's summaries of what went down. I saw no reason to read his posts when I knew the situation because a lot of those threads are boring shit drama threads full of bias and stuff. I was just trying to be funny but I realize I should've taken it seriously and I wasnt really being funny at all. I voted how I wanted to and stand by my vote. I'm sorry for making light of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 07, 2014, 01:27:32 am
WELL! I've never liked people who vote for banned users to get unbanned without even reading their posts first but you don't see me complaining about that! :)
but you just did...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 07, 2014, 01:32:30 am
fyi i split the posts to feedback cause this where they belong
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on March 07, 2014, 01:53:35 am
That email was some cringeworthy shit. Good reason to vote against unbanning Navana (As I did!). I wouldn't trust him any more if he had a 'civil and functional' second account for 6 months, and I won't trust him if his unbanned account survives 6 months. He isn't Maverik.

Maverik was a hotshot. Hotshots can't hide their true selves, otherwise it wouln't be a defect. When they cool down you know it's for real.

Liars are a different story. You can never trust them. You can never know if they've changed or if they're the same ol' snake in a new skin.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ExShadow on March 07, 2014, 02:04:15 am
While we are on the topic of ban lifting, I'd like to ask the admins a serious question.  Would you be willing to lift the ban on HankVenture?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 07, 2014, 02:06:54 am
At this point they may even unban KaoMinerva...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2014, 02:07:20 am
While we are on the topic of ban lifting, I'd like to ask the admins a serious question.  Would you be willing to lift the ban on HankVenture?

(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2022/3496v.png)
?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ExShadow on March 07, 2014, 02:08:07 am
Well that answers my question :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2014, 02:13:01 am
im asking if thats the guy? I searched his name in the search engine and come up with a tempest post about hankventure making that sig in reply to people reporting his bad posts.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 07, 2014, 02:14:21 am
At this point they may even unban KaoMinerva...
yeah haha, as you speak we're just releasing all the ban triggers. i'm on page 30, should be done soon.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ExShadow on March 07, 2014, 02:15:01 am
im asking if thats the guy? I searched his name in the search engine and come up with a tempest post about hankventure making that sig in reply to people reporting his bad posts.
Yeah, that's him.  I'm positive he'd remove that sig now though
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 07, 2014, 02:15:03 am
At this point they may even unban KaoMinerva...
Ahhahahahaha no.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GLB on March 07, 2014, 02:16:34 am
im asking if thats the guy? I searched his name in the search engine and come up with a tempest post about hankventure making that sig in reply to people reporting his bad posts.

It's the same guy. I don't see why his ban couldn't be lifted, but at the same time is it worth unbanning someone who's stated multiple times he will never return to or care about mugen?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on March 07, 2014, 02:17:10 am
WELL! I've never liked people who vote for banned users to get unbanned without even reading their posts first but you don't see me complaining about that! :)
but you just did...

fyi i split the posts to feedback cause this where they belong

Yeah it was just a joke that belonged to the random topic. I wasn't being serious lol.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2014, 02:19:21 am
im asking if thats the guy? I searched his name in the search engine and come up with a tempest post about hankventure making that sig in reply to people reporting his bad posts.

It's the same guy. I don't see why his ban couldn't be lifted, but at the same time is it worth unbanning someone who's stated multiple times he will never return to or care about mugen?

If he left and he isnt returning i dont see a point even discussing this =|

I think motvn has been banned longer than him, he was banned by vans back then .
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: SeanMackgewer on March 07, 2014, 02:20:23 am
Weird. I never would have expected you to come off as this hateful nor dramatic Iced, but you sound like it in Navana's case. Realistically speaking, you guys can simply ban him again at virtually the bat of a lash so there's no point in the fuss. I'm not insulting you; I respect you a lot and that's absolutely real.

Umezono!
What an excellent choice of a moderator! Incredibly pragmatic and realistic.



I don't think actions from like 7 years ago constitute anything significant to today's discussions and no one has displayed any Orochi-K_F_M-like behaviour since then so I'm inclined to believe that he gave up his elitism and realized somewhere within that time that it was useless. I wouldn't doubt that he has other account here. I'd vote for his unbanning.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GLB on March 07, 2014, 02:20:41 am
Neither of them are returning. @ Iced.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2014, 02:24:57 am
Weird. I never would have expected you to come off as this hateful nor dramatic Iced, but you sound like it in Navana's case. Realistically speaking, you guys can simply ban him again at virtually the bat of a lash so there's no point in the fuss. I'm not insulting you; I respect you a lot and that's absolutely real.

Umezono!
What an excellent choice of a moderator! Incredibly pragmatic and realistic.



I don't think actions from like 7 years ago constitute anything significant to today's discussions and no one has displayed any Orochi-K_F_M-like behaviour since then so I'm inclined to believe that he gave up his elitism and realized somewhere within that time that it was useless. I wouldn't doubt that he has other account here. I'd vote for his unbanning.

I am utterly confused about whom you are talking about, if navana, kfm, or orochi kfm whoever that is.


Navana last interaction with the site, when rebanned was a year ago, kfm last interaction with the site was a year and a half ago, which leads me to the second part ( besides the whole i dont know who orochi kfm is ) where are you pulling seven years from?


@glb. Alright man, thanks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: SeanMackgewer on March 07, 2014, 02:33:49 am
I am utterly confused about whom you are talking about, if navana, kfm, or orochi kfm whoever that is.
I wrote that lazily - half of my keys are sticking.
I'm talking about Navana in the first paragraph and K_F_M in the third. I actually edited the post to make that more clear.
Was KFM rebanned a year and a half ago? I didn't realize he had come back nor that he (potentially) caused problems so recently. If he had, that essentially voids my argument because I thought you were citing the hell-hole he made the forum eons ago. My fault for not being thoroughly informed.
I still think the Navana issue is minor, though.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2014, 02:37:18 am
he was rebanned about 2 years and a half ago, and tried to come back 2 years ago upon the time of RS closing, the last interaction was a year and a half ago.

He was never banned for the hell hole of seven years ago, no one was even if many "left" . After the forum shift we tried to cohexist with everyone as possible. I could go over those, but if you are interested i find its more informative to just check out the public staff thread, there is a whole thread about dealing with him there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: SeanMackgewer on March 07, 2014, 02:41:12 am
I saw that you mentioned the RS closing thing in this thread - I didn't realize that that was only 2 years ago.

I'll start rereading the dealing with K_F_M issues right now-- I haven't thought about him for years.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on March 07, 2014, 02:41:38 am
post
Unrelated to the topic at hand, but I read this post in Harlan Ellison's voice in I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw-88h-LcTk), at it fits very, VERY well. I even read the bold part the way he shouts the characters' names in the intro. It was wonderful.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: SeanMackgewer on March 07, 2014, 04:47:54 am
he was rebanned about 2 years and a half ago, and tried to come back 2 years ago upon the time of RS closing, the last interaction was a year and a half ago.
He was never banned for the hell hole of seven years ago, no one was even if many "left" . After the forum shift we tried to cohexist with everyone as possible. I could go over those, but if you are interested i find its more informative to just check out the public staff thread, there is a whole thread about dealing with him there.
You know, I think that in retrospect you'd consider KFM's actions laughable, literally laughable, and might even see your reaction at the time as a bit histrionic. I'm of the opinion that they didn't do anything THAT bad and was pretty upset over the repeated use of the word "virus" when it wasn't one, but a ban was warranted and your point about children on the forum was valid. And I know K_F_M wasn't banned specifically because of his past (grandiose) conduct, but that coupled with his complaints and disrespect of the forum and his muted calls to return to those dark ages certainly played a role in the ban and rightly so.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 07, 2014, 08:50:17 am
I banned him for that. That was 100% me. And it was the final straw. People were getting malware from the link. Whether on purpose or by accident, doesn't matter, it was there. KFM was defending this at the time as if it was OK. It wasn't, that got him banned. I took every bit of responsibility for that and went through the discussion with him.

Since then, he hasn't had anything to do with the whole code theft side of things. He's barely into the engine at all. You talking about him is kinda dumb. But saying you shouldn't unban someone for being, lets be honest, far LESS annoying than some of the people you have allowed back, is kinda lame We've both chatted as friends and i hold nothing against him for what he did back then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Balthazar on March 07, 2014, 10:26:23 am
Um can Nevada be banned again? I don't like looking at his mug the whole time! This place isn't Facebook, you know...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 07, 2014, 10:27:14 am
Sure, you just gonna tell who´s this Nevada guy...

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on March 07, 2014, 10:29:01 am
Um can Nevada be banned again? I don't like looking at his mug the whole time! This place isn't Facebook, you know...

I posted two pictures. It's a post your pictures thread. I'm not harming anyone, and I'm not breaking any rules.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 07, 2014, 10:44:23 am
Um can Nevada be banned again? I don't like looking at his mug the whole time! This place isn't Facebook, you know...
Add him to your ignore list.

Problem solved.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Balthazar on March 07, 2014, 11:11:31 am
Pff some problem solver you are, I bet you also sweep the dust under the couch rather then vacuuming it  :wiseguy:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 07, 2014, 11:13:39 am
Stop bitching and just ignore him if it bothers you that much, jeez.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 07, 2014, 11:21:19 am
Pff some problem solver you are, I bet you also sweep the dust under the couch rather then vacuuming it  :wiseguy:
Shut up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2014, 11:31:11 am
I banned him for that. That was 100% me. And it was the final straw. People were getting malware from the link. Whether on purpose or by accident, doesn't matter, it was there. KFM was defending this at the time as if it was OK. It wasn't, that got him banned. I took every bit of responsibility for that and went through the discussion with him.


That wasnt actually the final straw.
You are misremembering it. He was banned ( yes by you) for a few months, come back and went back to the cult thing. He was only permabanned far later. Its easy to misremember considering there were so many petitions to unban him continuously. One of them was still with sepp and had kfm himself vote in it to not be unbanned.


Lol nevada. wasnt that the name of some old meme about a japanese girl killer.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 07, 2014, 11:38:51 am
I permanently banned him for that. I know i did because it was such bullshit. He may have come back later but it was from an unbanning, (or a reset or something) I don't remember anything he did after that as i'd given up on modding anywhere else in the forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2014, 11:53:45 am
I guess he was given another chance that I didnt remember.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on March 07, 2014, 12:37:30 pm
Lol nevada. wasnt that the name of some old meme about a japanese girl killer.
She was a Japanese girl that killed another Japanese girl. The way you put it, it sounds like a dude that was going around killing Japanese girls, which is super creepy and would make a GREAT psychological thriller story.

Also I don't see the big deal with Navada posting his pics in the "Post Your Own Picture" thread, since, well, that's the thread for it, and while the whole cam-whore thing is getting old and boring, that thread has a few other prominent members who've posted provocative pics before and nothing's happened to them.

Y'all need to calm the fuck down.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2014, 12:41:20 pm
but that lead to people posing around in nevada sweatshirts with knives, cosplayers, fanfiction, a bunch of stuff, all spreading from the "nevada" story. It was a meme before memes were known as memes
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: SeanMackgewer on March 07, 2014, 12:55:04 pm
I banned him for that. That was 100% me. And it was the final straw. People were getting malware from the link. Whether on purpose or by accident, doesn't matter, it was there. KFM was defending this at the time as if it was OK. It wasn't, that got him banned. I took every bit of responsibility for that and went through the discussion with him.
I know you banned him. I'm commenting on Iced posts which came off as angry while speaking to K_F_M and while reviewing the matter -- those are what I'm calling a bit histrionic. And malware? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Google describes malware as "software that is intended to damage or disable computers and computer systems." If I'm correct that link was simply to a temporary browser scrambler which had no real effect on one's computer unless something more happened.
Secondly, what was that I read about the link staying up?

You talking about him is kinda dumb. But saying you shouldn't unban someone for being, lets be honest, far LESS annoying than some of the people you have allowed back, is kinda lame We've both chatted as friends and i hold nothing against him for what he did back then.
It is dumb, but I'm curious about KFM... And I'm not sure if the rest of that paragraph is directed at me because I don't support permabans unless actual hacking or actual virus transmittal is involved.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2014, 12:58:04 pm
Why are you replying to cyanide talking with me as if he was talking with you?  Why are you even asking for justifications on things we done years ago. We dont have to justify them, nobody cares if you think they were histrionics or whatever. It doesnt cfhange what we did or what happened.


Why would you want a justification for what cyanide did then?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: SeanMackgewer on March 07, 2014, 01:00:51 pm
I wasn't sure who Cyanide was referring to, actually. I said that in the second part of my post.

You're right. It's over and done with. I'll withdraw.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 07, 2014, 01:56:38 pm
Um can Nevada be banned again? I don't like looking at his mug the whole time! This place isn't Facebook, you know...
why would anyone take this post seriously
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on March 07, 2014, 03:07:56 pm
I must say I'm against Navana's comeback, but if he really changed and don't make any problems again, then no problem about his return by my side
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on March 07, 2014, 04:24:57 pm
+1 what Basara mentioned and what Personman just wrote in the decisions thread.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on March 07, 2014, 04:36:25 pm
He won't change, He'll never change. No exceptions.
I wouldn't even give it a week for him to screw up again.

Give it a few hours and he'll end up writing another tl;dr "apology" post which will just be full of lies.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 07, 2014, 04:41:32 pm
Recent revelations show that we're already off to a bad start now aren't we?

I presume he did it because it worked for Maverik, but those circumstances were different. Besides, the Judgement Day account was only active for a week (Mav's stealth account was active much longer); why wouldn't Navana just wait a week and then lobby for a return?

I still don't particularly care about the decision itself, but it's obviously not a good look.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 07, 2014, 04:48:12 pm
he obviously had that account as a backup in case his request to be unbanned failed. he is being dishonest again. ban
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 07, 2014, 04:50:23 pm
I can't even...

That. What they said.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on March 07, 2014, 04:58:38 pm
So much for that, eh?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on March 07, 2014, 05:51:13 pm
Iirc, he also did the exact same thing almost a year ago over at MFFA before he got banned for his "im good at sucking dicks" PMs and deceiving Ryon into teaching him mugen coding when he already knew how.

To be frank, the whole Judgement Day/Daiyousei account was the exact same thing: another method of gathering attention to himself. He hasn't changed as far as I'm concerned.

That being said, he's already on thin ice as is.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on March 07, 2014, 06:02:35 pm
He won't change, He'll never change. No exceptions.
I wouldn't even give it a week for him to screw up again.

Give it a few hours and he'll end up writing another tl;dr "apology" post which will just be full of lies.

Not even a day has passed. NOT EVEN A DAY! IT NEVER ENDS!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 07, 2014, 06:03:26 pm
Someone crapped in Rednavi's cereals again
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 07, 2014, 06:24:40 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1924287

@Rajaa:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty


Actually I don't know what to say on this... but I would wait until he does something wrong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 07, 2014, 06:57:34 pm
Anti-MFG was indeed Peterfoster
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 07, 2014, 06:59:07 pm
I am with missB on this one, just let him screw up again if you want to ban him, there is precedent on using a secondary account to slip bans in maverik.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on March 07, 2014, 07:03:15 pm
Anti-MFG was indeed Peterfoster

Not the one actually called anti-mfg, the other one that wasn't called that, but was indeed an anti-mfg forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on March 07, 2014, 07:57:42 pm
Yeah it was a fake MUGEN Infantry forum after MI went down for a while.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on March 07, 2014, 08:08:52 pm
I am with missB on this one, just let him screw up again if you want to ban him, there is precedent on using a secondary account to slip bans in maverik.
I agree with this, too
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on March 07, 2014, 08:28:59 pm
Yeah it was a fake MUGEN Infantry forum after MI went down for a while.
last time I checked that place had like 2 to 3 posts
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 07, 2014, 08:52:50 pm
Reading JNP's recent post (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1924388) is pretty much how I feel about it.

It's obviously okay to not trust Navana, I don't either (and I'm not going to argue with anyone who feels he should be removed). While the intent behind what happened is definitely questionable, I don't feel that the act itself (and the posts that went with it) were egregious enough to warrant affirmative action (personal biases notwithstanding). Yes alt accounting is bad in general, but considering recent scenarios involving alt accounts, punishing this one in particular would be somewhat inconsistent.

On a slightly lighter note, the fact that the alt account was called "Judgment Day" doesn't sound very encouraging. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 07, 2014, 09:14:09 pm
I want to note I do not trust him or think he has actually changed. My decision was based on the gravity of the things he had done and the benefit of the doubt.
Permanent bans are really serious and sometimes I think we don't give them the proper thought that they need. I think some of the other mods feel this way too and it's why he made it back.

Letting me know he had the alt account may be the 1st and last truthful thing he's actually done or will do. We need to wait and see
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on March 07, 2014, 09:17:22 pm
Letting me know he had the alt account may be the 1st and last truthful thing he's actually done.

Let's hope he stays this way.

I quickly skimmed through replies pertaining to this and there's a lot of 50/50. Some say he should stay. Some say he should go. I say (and have already said so before) give him a shot. If he slips up, we ban him. Simple as that. While not everyone is going to agree with this, I feel that is the best way to go.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on March 07, 2014, 09:20:06 pm
Sai, We've given the fucker a few chances beforehand, He hasn't changed from when he was first banned and he hasn't changed coming back from his third.

Why are we even being nice to him? He's just back to his old games again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 07, 2014, 09:59:40 pm
So Navana was Judgment Day... damn, that was fast, lol. Whatever, is whatever this staff decides.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on March 07, 2014, 11:57:02 pm
Sai, We've given the fucker a few chances beforehand, He hasn't changed from when he was first banned and he hasn't changed coming back from his third.

Why are we even being nice to him? He's just back to his old games again.

Well, we did agree on saying if he fucks up again, even in the slightest, he's banned again without warning. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 08, 2014, 03:07:43 pm
But he did fuck up, with the alt account.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 08, 2014, 04:16:54 pm
that was before the unban, tho.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: SeanMackgewer on March 08, 2014, 07:28:02 pm
Indeed maximilianjenus. And even so, I fail to see why alt accounts are so bad especially in Navana's case because he barely did anything harmful with it.

I do remember something about him lying, but even that was such a small deal that I was dumbfounded by the drama it caused. As a matter of fact, Navana's particular brand of "attention-whoring" isn't even that bad. It could have been so much worse.

Oh and thanks to JNP for really evaluating this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on March 08, 2014, 07:38:43 pm
Indeed maximilianjenus. And even so, I fail to see why alt accounts are so bad especially in Navana's case because he barely did anything harmful with it.
Why have two accounts in the first place? If you're banned for being annoying, making a second account to avoid your ban is a really bad offense, That's why it could be considered harmful.

See RobotMonkeyHead, He constantly made Alt accounts after being banned on his main to annoy members and staff.

As a matter of fact, Navana's particular brand of "attention-whoring" isn't even that bad. It could have been so much worse.
Ignoring posts, Constantly posting pictures filtered on Photobucket's photo editing tool & not to forget awkward and cringe-worthy male cleavage.
I'm pretty sure that's some sort of attention whoring right there.

I do remember something about him lying, but even that was such a small deal that I was dumbfounded by the drama it caused.
You signed up 21 days ago, How do you infact know of things that happened two years ago?

Eitherway, He lied about his gender to people. He was posting pictures of his "friend" in his place to get people to like him because he was pretending to be a "hawt girl"

Even after his long ass apology post to the forum he continued doing things he shouldn't of, It was a real eyesore to witness.

Navana is and will always be a bad seed of some kind.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 08, 2014, 07:42:15 pm
Constantly posting pictures filtered on Photobucket's photo editing tool & not to forget awkward and cringe-worthy male cleavage.
I'm pretty sure that's some sort of attention whoring right there.
Oh no, how dare he experiment with visual filters in pictures of himself that he posted in the appropriate thread. Jesus christ are those pictures really such a big deal. They're not. Get over it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 08, 2014, 07:51:04 pm
He hasn't really harmed anyone so far. Wait until he actually slips up first.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: SeanMackgewer on March 08, 2014, 07:53:56 pm
Indeed maximilianjenus. And even so, I fail to see why alt accounts are so bad especially in Navana's case because he barely did anything harmful with it.
Why have two accounts in the first place? If you're banned for being annoying, making a second account to avoid your ban is a really bad offense, That's why it could be considered harmful.
You call that in itself harmful?
Anyway, here's a post by JNP that seems to apply:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty


See RobotMonkeyHead, He constantly made Alt accounts after being banned on his main to annoy members and staff.
Did Navana act anything like RMH on his alt account? And once again, did he actually DO anything with the account?


As a matter of fact, Navana's particular brand of "attention-whoring" isn't even that bad. It could have been so much worse.
Ignoring posts, Constantly posting pictures filtered on Photobucket's photo editing tool & not to forget awkward and cringe-worthy male cleavage. I'm pretty sure that's some sort of attention whoring right there..Eitherway, He lied about his gender to people. He was posting pictures of his "friend" in his place to get people to like him because he was pretending to be a "hawt girl".
Oh no! Quickly! Call the police!
And let's not forget, it takes 2 to tango my dear. Just don't give him attention, it's as simple as that.
Male cleavage? Sounds like an exaggeration to me, but are you saying it would have been acceptable had he been a girl because I'm pretty sure I can cite entire threads dedicated to sexy women here just to be a smartass. I can't entertain double standards.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: jaede_ on March 08, 2014, 07:58:37 pm
Did Navana act anything like RMH on his alt account? And once again, did he actually DO anything with the account?

He seemed like an okay person with that account. He didn't disrupt anyone with it and only posted a few of his MUGEN ideas. And asked for a few MUGEN chars
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 08, 2014, 08:05:37 pm
And let's not forget, it takes 2 to tango my dear. Just don't give him attention, it's as simple as that.
this doesn't excuse constant lying
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 08, 2014, 08:10:42 pm

I do remember something about him lying, but even that was such a small deal that I was dumbfounded by the drama it caused.
You signed up 21 days ago, How do you infact know of things that happened two years ago?



Im guessing double account of someone that got banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: SeanMackgewer on March 08, 2014, 08:21:52 pm
this doesn't excuse constant lying
But his lies were miniscule and ignorable.
I remember when everyone went crazy after he revealed he wasn't a girl. Come on, really though. We really take that as a big deal?

Im guessing double account of someone that got banned.
Indeed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: jaede_ on March 08, 2014, 08:29:59 pm
I remember when everyone went crazy after he revealed he wasn't a girl. Come on, really though. We really take that as a big deal?

When things such as gender are a lie, there's a a big question as whether everything else regarding the person is a lie as well, so it basically shows a decieving person, not only that but posing as a girl is often viewed as a way to get attention from members to gain advantages from them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 08, 2014, 08:30:28 pm
Im guessing double account of someone that got banned.
Indeed.
Don't evade bans. If you do, you should at least try to be secretive about it and not let us find out about it. Otherwise, you're missing the point of what JNP said. Better luck next time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 08, 2014, 08:43:08 pm
lmao @ blatant alt.

Yes, alt accounts are a big deal (and bad in general), but of course it's best to treat each circumstance uniquely.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 08, 2014, 08:51:15 pm
this alt account bullshit is confusing as hell

maverik admits to having an alt account, asks for unban: maverik is unbanned and can normally post.
navana asks for an unban, is unbanned, admits he has an alt account after the fact: navana can normally post
this guy admits he's using an alt account: instantly permabanned

can't he at least get a chance to explain his actions like the other two
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 08, 2014, 08:53:03 pm
its hjk.

He seems to have made like ten or so accounts, i already deleted a bunch of them.


For those that dont remember Hjk was given a chance to go back to his original account and be "unbanned" a while ago. So he already went over that routine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 08, 2014, 08:54:13 pm
this alt account bullshit is confusing as hell

maverik admits to having an alt account, asks for unban: maverik is unbanned and can normally post.
navana asks for an unban, is unbanned, admits he has an alt account after the fact: navana can normally post
this guy admits he's using an alt account: instantly permabanned

can't he at least get a chance to explain his actions like the other two

^ I actually agree. This is some subpar decision process. He admitted using an alt account and he got banned?? Talk about bias.

On another point, the problem with Navana wasn´t lying, was constant lying to the point it was unbearable.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 08, 2014, 09:04:33 pm
Quote
Talk about bias.

.I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 08, 2014, 09:07:37 pm
this alt account bullshit is confusing as hell

maverik admits to having an alt account, asks for unban: maverik is unbanned and can normally post.
navana asks for an unban, is unbanned, admits he has an alt account after the fact: navana can normally post
this guy admits he's using an alt account: instantly permabanned

can't he at least get a chance to explain his actions like the other two

no, he can just make another alt account, problem solved.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 08, 2014, 09:11:55 pm
.I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Exactly. My brain failed me for 1 second. I wanted to use another word. Still this decision requires a different analysis.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 08, 2014, 09:12:28 pm
I'm actually not surprised Sean was someone under alias, TBH.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 08, 2014, 09:16:57 pm
.I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Exactly. My brain failed me for 1 second. I wanted to use another word. Still this decision requires a different analysis.
While I disagree with your use of bias and your attempts to make this seem like the staff is incompetent or corrupt or whatever, I think I agree when you say that the whole situation is confusing and makes no sense. There appears to be no blanket rule or precedent for how alt accounts should be handled past the fact they're not allowed. Instead its been a case by case thing and its worked to a varying degree in which we review circumstances of the alt and make decision on punishment or whatever. I hope this sheds some light on the process.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 08, 2014, 09:17:54 pm
Quote
Talk about bias.

.I don't think that word means what you think it means.

C'mon Iced. Clearly he's changed. His behavior was absolutely nothing like anything ever seen from him in the past.

You should have given him a chance to explain, then spam that explanation over and over again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 08, 2014, 09:26:00 pm
Quote
Talk about bias.

.I don't think that word means what you think it means.

C'mon Iced. Clearly he's changed. His behavior was absolutely nothing like anything ever seen from him in the past.

You should have given him a chance to explain, then spam that explanation over and over again.
I like you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 08, 2014, 09:29:54 pm
Wait a second, we are talking about hjk?? ok then, problem solved lol. He made 6+ alt accounts in the past. Having one alt account could be tolerable considering past events but 6+ and to cause problems?? Definitely not.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 08, 2014, 09:31:12 pm
I like you.
"... I ban you last."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 08, 2014, 09:32:05 pm
in before "iced likes speedpreacher, that means he is bias!" while clutching pearls.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 08, 2014, 09:32:59 pm
Just shows how conflicting the alt-account situation can be.

The Pigeot account went by rather smoothly; there was very little suspicion that it was hjk. Of course the other accounts didn't work as well. But let's hypothetically say that hjk (for anybody who doesn't know, he's pretty much past the point of no return) continued the Pigeot account, became an effective member of the community and then months/years down the road he revealed his true identity. Then what? :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 08, 2014, 09:34:42 pm
My recommendation would be a short ban for breaking an important rule, but thats only if we went the hard-line route
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 08, 2014, 09:35:22 pm
Just one thing I wanted to say.
The thing with Navana having an alt account is slightly different (from all the other "admitting to having an alt account" cases like Mav or hjk) in the sense that the first time (and the second and third etc.) he was banned because of lying and deceiving people and everything, eventually "slipping up" and admitting his lies. so Navana admitting to having a secret alt account is actually the same thing he was doing before, which is in direct contradiction with his claims that he changed.
Whether the staff is willing to wait until he does something bad again is a different matter, because they're judging on whether he actually does some damage or not. That has no connection to whether he was already doing his "lying and then admitting" antics, as long as the staff doesn't consider it harmful.
The real point of divergence of opinion is that in the first place, he was unbanned because he said he didn't lie and deceive people anymore, that he changed. That in itself was already a lie as seen with the double account.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 08, 2014, 09:39:03 pm
hey, you got an avatar, this is jarring
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 08, 2014, 09:39:14 pm
Insane solution: Visible IP addresses, no more alt accounts!!!

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 08, 2014, 09:40:31 pm
we already have visible ip addresses. its how we find alts in the first place...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 08, 2014, 09:40:41 pm
The IPs are already visible to the staff, just not to everyone else. But the staff can't recognize IPs by vaguely looking at a list of posts, they have to use the search tool they have to see "how many accounts have an IP too close for coincidence to this one".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 08, 2014, 09:40:49 pm
The difference with Navana is that he admitted having an alt after he was unbanned. It was obviously a safeguard incase his ban was not lifted. Had he disclosed it up front that would be rather different. But he didn't. The lying continues. Kick him the fuck out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 08, 2014, 09:44:15 pm
This alt account is really getting out of hand. At this point anyone could be an alt of a previous banned member. (No, I´m not KaoMinerva)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on March 08, 2014, 09:44:36 pm
I dunno guys I might be KFM
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 08, 2014, 09:44:51 pm
Yeah you're obviously MC2.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 08, 2014, 09:45:34 pm
Insane solution: Visible IP addresses, no more alt accounts!!!
cross-checking ip addresses isn't as reliable as it used to be because of how easy it is to get internet from other sources in this day and age. i think i've explained this already. it's not as easy as you think.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 08, 2014, 09:46:44 pm
^ mmm I see. Alright.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 08, 2014, 09:49:49 pm
I knew the thread would eventually get to joking about alts.

The difference with Navana is that he admitted having an alt after he was unbanned. It was obviously a safeguard incase his ban was not lifted. Had he disclosed it up front that would be rather different. But he didn't. The lying continues. Kick him the fuck out.

Had he disclosed it up front, he would've been further exiled for ban evasion. Lose-lose situation (except that the second situation was better and somehow was able to return).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 08, 2014, 09:56:19 pm
I knew the thread would eventually get to joking about alts.
You're claiming you knew what would happen, after it has happened ? hjk, leave this alt.
Quote
Had he disclosed it up front, he would've been further exiled for ban evasion. Lose-lose situation (except that the second situation was better and somehow was able to return).
It went well for Maverik so no.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 09, 2014, 01:20:53 am
I dunno guys I might be KFM
not just you, we are all KFM

the whole mugen community died years ago leaving KFM as the only one still interested on it. in a desperate attempt to keep the community alive he opted to create a new community and repopulate it with replicas of old users accounts as well as new users (to keep things fresh) all impersonated by him

this place is nothing more than a one man puppet show. however controlling so many fake personas resulted to be too much for him to handle and the "real KFM" was aventually lost in the endless sea of multiple personalities.

is not that the staff refuses to "unban" him but is that his other personalities are keeping him in the void because they know if he ever takes control of his body again we will all dissapear. the people pretedning to lift the ban are nothing but bits of his subconscious trying to bring the original host back

don't you get it? none of this is real we are all just part of a madman's dream and when the dream ends we will all dissapear!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 01:27:50 am
You should write a book. Or make an anime or something.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Person Man on March 09, 2014, 01:35:25 am
none of this is real we are all just part of a madman's dream and when the dream ends we will all dissapear!

I am Calypso, and I thank you for playing Twisted Mugen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on March 09, 2014, 01:56:46 am
I am Calypso, and I thank you for playing Twisted Mugen.

Goddamnit that was awesome. ::looks up all Twisted Metal 2 Endings on Youtube::
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on March 09, 2014, 02:07:40 am
(http://caddie.smeenet.org/Justiceguild.jpg)

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on March 09, 2014, 02:11:37 am
:cawg:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on March 09, 2014, 02:37:57 am
hey, you got an avatar, this is jarring

(http://point-b.webatu.com/img/Aiolia_LoS_avatar-25p.png)

I'll have to get used to that. Now is Cazaki's turn.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 02:52:46 am
Seriously if this is drawing so much attention I'll just remove it guys
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on March 09, 2014, 02:59:56 am
It's like a forum software change, it sticks out too much to ignore for a few days and then we just get used to it. I've forgotten how the forum looked 2 years ago. I don't even know if it looked any different 4 years ago.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on March 09, 2014, 03:21:42 am
Yeah, like when Cyanide changed his avatar after 10 years or something like that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Japanese Jesus on March 09, 2014, 03:23:58 am
I will always picture Byakko as Kyosuke of Rival Schools.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 03:30:24 am
I had a Daigo avatar but I don't remember having a Kyosuke one...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on March 09, 2014, 04:55:35 am
So is Navana still banned or not?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on March 09, 2014, 05:20:15 am
So is Navana still banned or not?

Not banned. He is currently free to move around like the rest of us. :mmhmm:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 09, 2014, 10:57:15 am
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1925173
Well not anymore. He decided one "no" wasn't good enough. So he started jumping from mod to mod trying to get a "yes" about removing the limits put on his avatar/sig.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zemilia on March 09, 2014, 11:28:14 am
Not going on anyone's side on this, since I'm still neutral to this whole thing, but:

Again? Really? ..*sigh* Should've been patient to wait till he earns his sig/avvie thing back.

I mean I know he waited a day, but it still sounds like he's impatient... right?

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 09, 2014, 11:31:20 am
Maverik has an avatar. Why Navana can´t have one again?? This alt account stuff has turned into a really big mess. Instead of discussing who will be forgiven for his sins this should the point of discussion. Set a criteria for this or something.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 02:09:30 pm
Set a criteria for this or something.
No because the whole point is that they did different stuff to get those punishments. You don't set the same restrictions on someone who punched a bunch of guys a few times and someone who used looks and displays to trick and deceive a bunch of other people to the point it became harmful.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 09, 2014, 02:34:41 pm
Navana had his account cursed (couldn't edit sig/av) before he was banned. Maverick didn't have that happen because he wasn't abusing his sig/av.

Navana was unbanned. But his account still had the cursed status. I wouldn't have minded uncursing him. But it would have taken some months of good behavior. When JMorphMan told him "No, not right now" he should have accepted that and not go ask me and MissB the next day. That's like a kid getting a "no" from momma and turning around to try and get a 'yes" from daddy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 09, 2014, 03:08:33 pm
You're claiming you knew what would happen, after it has happened ? hjk, leave this alt.

I was going to run with doing an RMH impression, and how this is all some experiment I'm conducting, and how not banning me is a clear indication that the mods want to argue because it's in their nature to do so... but I had to work, ah well.

As for Navana, that sure ended quick. Ava/sigs are serious business.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 09, 2014, 03:20:37 pm
well that was a waste of time
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on March 09, 2014, 03:23:58 pm
good job
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 03:43:07 pm
I was going to run with doing an RMH impression
Yeah, I couldn't remember right who that was that did that. My bad for screwing the joke :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 09, 2014, 03:45:11 pm
Up next on the Guild Show: Is Iced really who he says he is
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 03:53:17 pm
He's ShinShadowH's alt.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Person Man on March 09, 2014, 04:11:53 pm
Okay, I confess:  I'm really just an alt account of Jmorphman.  But Jmorphman is really just an alt account of me, so it's fine.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 09, 2014, 04:12:36 pm
/me shrugs

oh well
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 09, 2014, 06:25:04 pm
So with that out of the way, can we finally unban KFM? I'm sure he'd last longer and contribute far more.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa Retired on March 09, 2014, 06:41:26 pm
Why are you even asking.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 09, 2014, 06:43:08 pm
KFM's better
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 09, 2014, 07:09:00 pm
Well. That happened.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zemilia on March 09, 2014, 07:12:50 pm
That's like a kid getting a "no" from momma and turning around to try and get a 'yes" from daddy.

..Took the words right outta mah mouth and mind. :doom:

In other news, what's so great about KFM for him to get an unban? :P

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 07:17:16 pm
what's so great about KFM for him to get an unban?
It's not about great or not great. He's currently banned, and everyone currently banned is getting a free unban to see how well it's going. I myself am mostly just nagging at the staff because I know several of them hate him with a passion and flip their shit at the first mention of his name (I was among his friends back then, but I've lost contact with him the day I stopped using MSN).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on March 09, 2014, 07:20:31 pm
People who want Ash back are like people who vote for Ron Paul on election day: it's just to make a statement, whether or not it actually happens isn't important (and it's not going to happen ever).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 09, 2014, 07:23:06 pm
Personally I'm waiting on Peter Foster. Although I suspect he's already here, has been for a while, and the revelation will surprise absolutely no one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zemilia on March 09, 2014, 07:24:45 pm
Personally I'm waiting on Peter Foster. Although I suspect he's already here, has been for a while, and the revelation will surprise absolutely no one.

?? Anyone inform me on who he is? (And what did he do?)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 07:27:31 pm
It's not about great or not great. He's currently banned, and everyone currently banned is getting a free unban to see how well it's going. I myself am mostly just nagging at the staff because I know several of them hate him with a passion and flip their shit at the first mention of his name (I was among his friends back then, but I've lost contact with him the day I stopped using MSN).

He was even unbanned before several times and got rebanned.
Whats the point of repeatedly asking for his unban after being told no and being explained why and even pointed out he didnt want to be unbanned?  It just ends up being a list of everything shitty he done over and over again.
Whats the statement? "we want to be reminded of what kfm did"?


Me Im waiting on Warner to stop being blacklisted so we can have him back.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 07:28:51 pm
Point in case
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 09, 2014, 07:29:01 pm
And Navana was banned and unbanned several times too. Didn't stop you idiots from unbanning him the moment he came crying back and wrote up an insincere email.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 07:32:42 pm
And Navana was banned and unbanned several times too. Didn't stop you idiots from unbanning him the moment he came crying back and wrote up an insincere email.

first, fuck off with the "YOU IDIOTS". You are not being treated with disrespect to be treating others like that.

Everytime kfm asked to be unbanned he was put up for voting, it was always unanimously denied.
You cant have it both ways, you cant be crying your butts off about we being a dictatorship and then crying when the votings we actually have give you results that are not the ones you personally wished for.

I voted against navana. I knew his return wouldnt last at all. but that doesnt mean i think that everyone else are stupid doody heads for voting for his freedom.  Should I abolish voting because they dont vote like I do?

Navana is an insignificant problem. He was a minor nuisance you guys continue to blow out of proportion. Not that his bans were unwarranted, they were. But let's remember who we're talking about here. There are reasonable limits to the kinds of behavior we will forgive and let the offender back in. Even on more extreme cases like kfm we gave him 2 or 3 chances before.

Point in case

I answered you, now I want an answer. Answer the question byakkolakko, why are you insisting after getting an answer?Whats the point?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 07:36:29 pm
I answered you, now I want an answer. Answer the question byakkolakko, why are you insisting after getting an answer?Whats the point?
Uh.... What's going on here ? I'm pretty sure I said everything relevant in my previous post, the one at which you once again flipped your shit about why you hate him. Let me quote myself :
I myself am mostly just nagging at the staff because I know several of them hate him with a passion and flip their shit at the first mention of his name
You keep flipping your shit even when I explain that I do it precisely because you flip your shit, I figure that's reason enough. I mean, I just told you the reason, and you go and do it again.
(hint : the answer to the question "why" is the part that comes right after I say "because")
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 09, 2014, 07:39:17 pm
And Navana was banned and unbanned several times too. Didn't stop you idiots from unbanning him the moment he came crying back and wrote up an insincere email.
i really admire your resolve. how do i be more like you
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 07:41:16 pm
I answered you, now I want an answer. Answer the question byakkolakko, why are you insisting after getting an answer?Whats the point?
Uh.... What's going on here ? I'm pretty sure I said everything relevant in my previous post, the one at which you once again flipped your shit about why you hate him. Let me quote myself :
I myself am mostly just nagging at the staff because I know several of them hate him with a passion and flip their shit at the first mention of his name
You keep flipping your shit even when I explain that I do it precisely because you flip your shit, I figure that's reason enough. I mean, I just told you the reason.


Why do you think im "flipping my shit" by just straight up answering you? Do you think this is some kind of trick where you are tricking me into answering your questions?

And

Quote
you once again flipped your shit about why you hate him.

Here, let me quote myself:
Quote
He was even unbanned before several times and got rebanned.
Whats the point of repeatedly asking for his unban after being told no and being explained why and even pointed out he didnt want to be unbanned?  It just ends up being a list of everything shitty he done over and over again.
Whats the statement? "we want to be reminded of what kfm did"?


Im asking you why you keep doing it, you are saying its to see hate, and claim Im hating on him. Do you see any form of hate in that post? I just see me asking you why you keep doing it again and again.


Part of being moderator of these foruns is that i try to answer people that i believe think have a real thing to complain about. Im answering you and addressing you on these because I think you are legitimately trying to make a point. Its no major big league trick to get me to answer to you when you keep whining.

This has got to be your weakest argument ever.
Im disappointed 3/10
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 07:41:53 pm
.... Are you drunk or something ? What the hell ?


It's because of my avatar, isn't it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 07:43:28 pm
I have avatars disabled, I have no idea if you have an avatar.


Why the heck would I be drunk for pointing out my post has none of the hate you claim it has?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 09, 2014, 07:43:50 pm
Hahaha whatever. If you guys unban KFM THE MOOJIN ANTICHRIST, Mugen Fighters Guild will be torn asunder and KFM will kill the forum again. Clearly.

You guys can go ahead and proceed on your queue of users to unban: Sol Badguy Z and then WildTengu.

      Posted: March 09, 2014, 07:46:09 pm
i really admire your resolve. how do i be more like you

be a cool dude that someone would like to have a beer with

and have a totes large penis
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 07:46:35 pm
Quote
Why do you think im "flipping my shit" by just straight up answering you?
But I wasn't asking any question, I was simply saying "eh, I do it for the reaction" (that's not even trolling when I straight up say what I'm doing) and then you go and give the exact reaction I just mentioned. You're the one shooting off with a long post for no reason, don't tell me you're not flipping your shit at the mere mention of his name.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on March 09, 2014, 07:49:58 pm
Me Im waiting on Warner to stop being blacklisted so we can have him back.
Same here :P

Also, who was that SeanAltlyMackgewer alt anyway?? It was really hjk or that was just assumption??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 09, 2014, 07:50:24 pm
i really admire your resolve. how do i be more like you

be a cool dude that someone would like to have a beer with

and have a totes large penis
i already have  those two covered there has to be something im missing

is it the lack of anime
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 07:51:44 pm
Hahaha whatever. If you guys unban KFM THE MOOJIN ANTICHRIST, Mugen Fighters Guild will be torn asunder and KFM will kill the forum again. Clearly.

You guys can go ahead and proceed on the your queue of users to unban: Sol Badguy Z and then WildTengu.

I see you dont have anything to really complain about .

Two previously permabanned users were given a chance after making requests, they were put to vote and allowed back in. One worked out fine, the other didnt.

This is obviously the end of the world and we should all stockpile anime and poptarts for the upcoming apocalypse.


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Why do you think im "flipping my shit" by just straight up answering you?
But I wasn't asking any question, I was simply saying "eh, I do it for the reaction" and then you go and give the exact reaction I just mentioned. You're the one shooting off with a long post for no reason, don't tell me you're not flipping your shit at the mere mention of his name.

I guess the one asking was do not even ask. I kinda bulked you two together up there!  No one is making " a mere mention of his name"
The staff is being asked why he isnt unbanned and im answering.
Still not seeing any hate , im answering you guys because you keep talking about it.
"Iced has answered someone asking a question that means he flipped his shit" .

I guess i was flipping my shit by making an even larger point about navana in the same post? Is this what flipping your shit means now? Answering people?

This is truly the weakest argument 1/10.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 09, 2014, 07:52:33 pm
Wow this discussion is still happening. It's definitely worthwhile and needs to happen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 09, 2014, 07:53:03 pm
warner isn't banned or on The Blacklist - Mondays at 10/9c on NBC unless that's a joke about warner being on forbidden release lists back in the day
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 07:53:54 pm
Me Im waiting on Warner to stop being blacklisted so we can have him back.
Same here :P

Also, who was that SeanAltlyMackgewer alt anyway?? It was really hjk or that was just assumption??

It was hjk, dude keeps registering new accounts even when he isnt banned, that day i deleted about seven.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 07:55:47 pm
"Iced has answered someone asking a question that means he flipped his shit" .
No, neither I nor Do Not Even Ask asked you this. You quoted me and got extremely aggressive, trying to defend yourself answering a question no one asked, and you keep insisting and making longer posts each time and growing increasingly aggressive. You ARE flipping your shit right now. I didn't trick you into it or anything, I specifically said right from the start that I was only joking, and you go and do this.
The only question that was asked was Zemilia asking why people wanted him unbanned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 09, 2014, 07:57:53 pm
warner isn't banned or on The Blacklist - Mondays at 10/9c on NBC unless that's a joke about warner being on forbidden release lists back in the day
a shame he isn't on The Blacklist - Mondays at 10/9c on NBC, it's a critically acclaimed show.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 09, 2014, 07:58:36 pm
The staff is being asked why he isnt unbanned and im answering.

Your answers are clearly unsatisfactory. When was the last vote held for unbanning KFM? What was the informed consensus over why he shouldn't be unbanned?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 08:00:51 pm
The staff is being asked why he isnt unbanned and im answering.

Your answers are clearly unsatisfactory. When was the last vote held for unbanning KFM? What was the informed consensus over why he shouldn't be unbanned?
oh dear, oh lordy, i would answer you again but then byakko would accuse me of flipping my shit because i answered to you and him claiming he wanted to see hate.

Guess you will never know now, we wouldnt want anyone flipping their shits.
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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 08:01:50 pm
warner isn't banned or on The Blacklist - Mondays at 10/9c on NBC unless that's a joke about warner being on forbidden release lists back in the day
a shame he isn't on The Blacklist - Mondays at 10/9c on NBC, it's a critically acclaimed show.
I enjoy you both.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 09, 2014, 08:03:23 pm
(or you could read the staff and this very thread where that was answered tons of times already)

I have read this thread and Public Staff Discussion, what has been discussed has not answered anything beyond "I'm Iced and KFM is the moojin antichrist and we fell for Navana's predictable bullshit"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 08:04:43 pm
Did you miss the part where i promise to rub all their faces in when navana tricks them  and then bathe in the blood of virgins.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 09, 2014, 08:08:26 pm
Yes, because I don't read Iced posts that don't contain the terms "KFM" "unbanned" and "buttplug"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 09, 2014, 08:09:12 pm
yeah to be fair, iced was heavily against navana being unbanned and was complaining about it

a lot

like a lot
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 09, 2014, 08:10:05 pm
Him and quite a few others.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on March 09, 2014, 08:11:02 pm
It's because of my avatar, isn't it.

Yes it is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 08:11:22 pm
Ofc that means im the biggest navana supporter and am destroying the mugens.

hum,

 buttplugs in unbanned do not even ask pony kfm,du fromage.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 08:11:51 pm
but then byakko would accuse me of flipping my shit because i answered to you and him claiming he wanted to see hate.
Hey, fuck off now. I said I was poking fun at the staff because of their reaction and then you went and did exactly that - you did not answer any question, you completely lashed out at me, called me out and insulted me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on March 09, 2014, 08:12:27 pm
Did you miss the part where i promise to rub all their faces in when navana tricks them  and then bathe in the blood of virgins.
Gone I may be, but my influence remains strong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 09, 2014, 08:16:16 pm
is it because he made a threat that involved your blood
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on March 09, 2014, 08:17:23 pm
I had sex once unlike you 8)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 09, 2014, 08:20:39 pm
Oh shit time to rename this topic to The Burn Ward
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 08:21:45 pm
but then byakko would accuse me of flipping my shit because i answered to you and him claiming he wanted to see hate.
Hey, fuck off now. I said I was poking fun at the staff because of their reaction and then you went and did exactly that - you did not answer any question, you completely lashed out at me, called me out and insulted me.

cmon now, i didnt insult you at all.

you are failing at properly strawmanning me.

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So with that out of the way, can we finally unban KFM? I'm sure he'd last longer and contribute far more.

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It's not about great or not great. He's currently banned, and everyone currently banned is getting a free unban to see how well it's going. I myself am mostly just nagging at the staff because I know several of them hate him with a passion and flip their shit at the first mention of his name (I was among his friends back then, but I've lost contact with him the day I stopped using MSN).

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He was even unbanned before several times and got rebanned.
Whats the point of repeatedly asking for his unban after being told no and being explained why and even pointed out he didnt want to be unbanned?  It just ends up being a list of everything shitty he done over and over again.
Whats the statement? "we want to be reminded of what kfm did"?

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    Point in case
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I answered you, now I want an answer. Answer the question byakkolakko, why are you insisting after getting an answer?Whats the point?


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completely lashed out at me, called me out and insulted me.
I called you byakkolakko but if you took that as an insult you are being too thin skinned.

Questions were posed about the guy, they were answered, and you tried to pass them off as me flipping my shit, completely ignoring that my posts about navana  were far longer and "aggressive" than those you claim to be lashing out. You are even trying to pretend that do not even ask wasnt posing a question that i answered.

This is kinda weaksauce.

Anyway gg everyone, it ended exactly as I predicted, navana lasted  less than three days before trying to trick someone.


virgins.
Gone I may be, but my influence remains strong.

 :smitten:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zemilia on March 09, 2014, 08:24:15 pm
And game is set. *Snaps finger*

So... What's on for movie night? :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GDM on March 09, 2014, 08:28:47 pm
oldboy or pulp fiction?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 08:32:12 pm
I keep seeing references to Slither lately, I think im going to have to bite the bullet.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TrinitroRoy on March 09, 2014, 08:46:08 pm
Okay, guys. I have an suggestion:
We could bring this discussion to an end by listining the most-memorable perma-banned users and why they don't get a second chance.
We already heard about Navana, and I'm not very familiar with KFM/Ash/whatever, so I guess that would be a good start...
That would also be a good way for "younger" MFG members to know why all that happened, and how the MFG became what it is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 09, 2014, 08:46:46 pm
Nah.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 08:47:08 pm
Yeah no. Your first comment here
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Whats the point of repeatedly asking for his unban after being told no and being explained why and even pointed out he didnt want to be unbanned?  It just ends up being a list of everything shitty he done over and over again.
Whats the statement? "we want to be reminded of what kfm did"?
is not "just responding to Do Not Even Ask", whose question was a joke about how fast Navana got rebanned. He didn't ask you to "remind you of what KFM did", and I didn't ask anything. You WERE hastily trying to justify yourself, and your "Whats the statement? we want to be reminded of what kfm did? " IS aggressive, whether you admit it or not.
The lengthier and lengthier posts you made after that, and all of these comments here
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"I answered you, now I want an answer. Answer the question byakkolakko, why are you insisting after getting an answer?Whats the point?"
"Do you think this is some kind of trick where you are tricking me into answering your questions?"
"Im asking you why you keep doing it, you are saying its to see hate, and claim Im hating on him. Do you see any form of hate in that post? I just see me asking you why you keep doing it again and again."
"This has got to be your weakest argument ever. Im disappointed 3/10"
and so on are getting increasingly aggressive, when I was repeatedly going "what is this even about" and pointing out I already said I was mocking this very reaction - and that I had already answered your question from the very beginning. You keep claiming I want to see hate but I never even said that. I said I was making fun of you for your reactions, this has nothing to do with WANTING to see hate.

My very first comment about "the staff flips their shit" was merely poking fun, you're the one who can't let it go and keeps trying to twist my words, claiming I "want to see hate".

What the fuck.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zemilia on March 09, 2014, 08:51:39 pm
Okay, guys. I have an suggestion:
We could bring this discussion to an end by listining the most-memorable perma-banned users and why they don't get a second chance.
We already heard about Navana, and I'm not very familiar with KFM/Ash/whatever, so I guess that would be a good start...
That would also be a good way for "younger" MFG members to know why all that happened, and how the MFG became what it is.

Not up for it, thank you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 09, 2014, 09:05:33 pm
arguments between byakko and iced is like watching two brick walls
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 09, 2014, 09:08:54 pm
Why does iced get to argue with Byakko but when he and I tried we got told by iced it was a waste of time??? Bias!!!

Me and iced looked at the perma ban list last night to see who all could potentially ask to come back that was less disruptive. Seems everyone left are pretty heavy hitters.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 09:11:09 pm
What the fuck.
Nah.
do not even ask posed his thing as a question, i answered him and what i assumed was you following him up. Turns out you didnt want an answer like I assumed, but that doesnt mean i wasnt answering him. You cant recode those into being insane rage at questions that wasnt posed.
"it was a joke" doesnt matter, it wasnt posed as one. Still no insults towards you were made, like you were claiming. 

The whole "Iced is flipping his shit if he answers" is dumb. It assumes that everytime I answer something it means i must be going insane with anger.

I actually think you are way better than those  five six years ago when we would argue about everything for pages on end, but this whole thing is dumb.  I mean we are arguing semantics about flipping shit, what a waste of time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Person Man on March 09, 2014, 09:11:47 pm
arguments between byakko and iced is like watching two brick walls

Nah, it's more like a head on collision where both drivers keep hammering the gas pedal because neither one wants to be the first to admit they've crashed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on March 09, 2014, 09:12:16 pm
Sorry to say this but this is seriously getting fucking idiotic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on March 09, 2014, 09:12:25 pm
This is all Iced's fault, Caddie should take over the site already.

      Posted: March 09, 2014, 09:13:21 pm
Sorry to say this but this is seriously getting fucking idiotic.

This all started because of YOU and your post at JZ's thread! It's all linked! YOU'RE RUINING THE SITE! It all went downhill from there to ahead!

Also your steam link doesn't work here, FIX IT!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 09:15:44 pm
Sorry to say this but this is seriously getting fucking idiotic.



I dunno guys I might be KFM

ofcourse YOU would say that!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on March 09, 2014, 09:16:15 pm
well okay there is that i guess
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 09:16:57 pm
The whole "Iced is flipping his shit if he answers" is dumb. It assumes that everytime I answer something it means i must be going insane with anger.
Interestingly enough I never said that either. I have no idea how you came up with that, you're just taking this way too personally.
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what i assumed was you following him up.
Even though I wasn't talking to you at all ? I was responding to something Zemilia said.
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Still no insults towards you were made, like you were claiming.
Those comments from you are insulting :
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"Do you think this is some kind of trick where you are tricking me into answering your questions?"
"This has got to be your weakest argument ever. Im disappointed 3/10"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 09:20:42 pm
you used to call people long lists of expletives,and you are offended by me saying you are having a weak argument?

That seems like an exageration
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 09:21:45 pm
Yes. I'm pretty sure even back in the days I kept telling you that words don't need to be an insulting word to be insulting in context. Just because you're not saying asshole and sack of shit doesn't mean you're not being insulting. Aggressivity is an example of such context.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 09, 2014, 09:26:10 pm
I really hope another permabanned user doesn´t get a chance for whatever reason, they were permabanned for something. At this point Maverik´s case will end in a really special case in the book.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 09:35:40 pm
I really hope another permabanned user doesn´t get a chance for whatever reason, they were permabanned for something. At this point Maverik´s case will end in a really special case in the book.
If they approach us through normal means and make a decent case, they will be considered for a discussion that might end up in voting. But thats pretty rare.



@Byakko, you are assuming way too much aggressivity, if you want to read me telling you that your argument is weak  as an insult there's little i can do about that.
Im answering you and that still doesnt mean im flipping my shit.  Dont strawman me, bro.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on March 09, 2014, 09:36:16 pm
Yes. I'm pretty sure even back in the days I kept telling you that words don't need to be an insulting word to be insulting in context. Just because you're not saying asshole and sack of shit doesn't mean you're not being insulting. Aggressivity is an example of such context.
jegus chris shut thef fuck up

Maybe it's a French thing but profanity as you have used it (AND STILL DO) is way more offensive than saying that someone's argument was bad.

You didn't prove anything. That's just weak posting. You made a bad post, Byakko.

/me throws a cigarette butt at Byakko then rejoins Jmorphman and GOH in waiting by Fantastic Mr. Navana's foxhole.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 09:38:49 pm
you are assuming way too much aggressivity
Says the guy who keeps claiming I want to see hate and thinks I want him to justify himself every time someone makes a joke. You can't be serious. This isn't about me, don't make it about me, this is about you. Insults or not, you lashed out because you can't let things go when I was only making fun of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 09, 2014, 09:41:46 pm
Wow this discussion is still happening. It's definitely worthwhile and needs to happen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on March 09, 2014, 09:43:25 pm
To be fair, every single post you (Byakko) make sounds super fucking agressive and serious, so if you make a joke it looks like it's not a joke.

Just sayin'
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 09:44:33 pm
Just take of your hate-bias goggles. I make jokes all the time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on March 09, 2014, 09:48:57 pm
Then you must do a really shitty job of it because I honestly can't tell when you're joking except instances where it backfires and you have to come out and say "I WAS JOKING YOU GUYS, JEEZ."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 09:50:24 pm
You sounded extremely serious and telling someone that they have a weak argument isnt lashing out. you are over reacting.

It's not about great or not great. He's currently banned, and everyone currently banned is getting a free unban to see how well it's going. I myself am mostly just nagging at the staff because I know several of them hate him with a passion and flip their shit at the first mention of his name (I was among his friends back then, but I've lost contact with him the day I stopped using MSN).

Oh byakko you can be so silly with those things.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 09:59:34 pm
Then you must do a really shitty job of it because I honestly can't tell when you're joking except instances where it backfires and you have to come out and say "I WAS JOKING YOU GUYS, JEEZ."
Right ! Let's look at my post history, beside this topic, my release/wip topics, and the serious posts that actually contribute to discussions in gaming topics.
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And so on and many more in-context jokes. All the time. Or does my aggressivity makes you believe my comment about Jesus Christ was an insult ?

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You sounded extremely serious and telling someone that they have a weak argument isnt lashing out.
It totally is when I wasn't making an argument in the first place and you're jumping at me repeatedly after I tell you several times it was poking fun. You didn't just say "hey, you've got a weak argument there, man". You kept attacking me about how I wanted to see hate and when I told you it was humor, you called it a weak argument.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 09, 2014, 10:04:01 pm
can you morons stop it, you guys are veterans in the community and it reflects on mfg badly that'd you'd have such petty fucking arguments for 4 pages
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 09, 2014, 10:06:25 pm
oh look it's Iced vs. Byakko XVI: Tables, Ladders and Semantics Match at wrestlemania 30
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on March 09, 2014, 10:07:00 pm
okay, but one more post from me before I go.

@Byakko: if those are jokes, I beg of you, don't quit your day job.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 10:08:49 pm
The point is they're not insults, there's no aggressivity, and even if you don't find them funny, it's blindingly obvious they're random jokes, and you and Iced need to drop the ad hominem attacks trying to make it about me all the time just because you don't like me since ten years ago or something.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 10:11:10 pm
Byakkolakko, wanting to see someone flip their shit is wanting to see someone hate on something.
I was commenting on that, that me answering you wasnt me hating as you were apparently so fond of claiming.  That is a weak argument, thinking that someone answering questions is someone flipping their shit.

At some point you started arguing semantics, which I find completely useless. If you dont have any issue with the current moderation and you dont need anything answered, then theres no reason to keep arguing .

If your argument is that you are offended because i told you that you had a weak argument, theres little anyone can do about that.

I dunno where you are thinking I dont like you. If I didnt at least respect your opinion i wouldnt be answering you.


can you morons stop it, you guys are veterans in the community and it reflects on mfg badly that'd you'd have such petty fucking arguments for 4 pages

You dont have enough badges to tell me what to do! "trashes"



One thing Ive been pondering.

Would there be enough pull for an "indie projects" section of the board?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 09, 2014, 10:13:21 pm
do you have an off button oh my god lol

you guys have restated the same arguments like 6 times with minor changes
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 10:14:57 pm
Byakkolakko, wanting to see someone flip their shit is wanting to see someone hate on something.
No it's not. I don't know how to tell you that without destroying your entire view on the world, but it just isn't. You're taking it way too personally. You HAVE to not take obvious bait jokes like that, ESPECIALLY when I explicitly tell you I'm poking fun at you. Even if you say you thought I was serious, you should have stopped the minute I told you I wasn't. If you still take it to heart after that, then it's nothing but your fault.

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If you dont have any issue with the current moderation and you dont need anything answered, then theres no reason to keep arguing .
I wasn't arguing in the first place, I kept telling you I was making jokes on your reaction and you kept getting more aggressive. You're the one who keeps trying to belittle me and all that shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on March 09, 2014, 10:16:38 pm
Should have stayed as Judgement Day ._.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 09, 2014, 10:17:06 pm
One thing Ive been pondering.

Would there be enough pull for an "indie projects" section of the board?
It depends on what the criteria is. The idea of indie projects for Mugen of all things is kinda silly given how it usually works.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 10:18:32 pm
Byakkolakko, wanting to see someone flip their shit is wanting to see someone hate on something.
No it's not. I don't know how to tell you that without destroying your entire view on the world, but it just isn't. You're taking it way too personally. you HAVE to not take obvious bait jokes like that, ESPECIALLY when I explicitly tell you I'm poking fun at you. If you still take it to heart after that, then it's nothing but your fault.

lol ok, have your weak argument.



One thing Ive been pondering.

Would there be enough pull for an "indie projects" section of the board?
It depends on what the criteria is. The idea of indie projects for Mugen of all things is kinda silly given how it usually works.

indie projects that are not mugen? You have people that used to do mugen that then started doing bor, some started doing flash games, some went on to do full games ( thinking of rikard ) . all of those are indie projects I think.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 09, 2014, 10:18:45 pm
the story for anyone confused by last 4 pages:

byakko: iced hates kfm, watch him respond and be mad
iced: were not gonna unban kfm why do you want him unbanned, also im not mad
byakko: why are you mad
iced: im not mad, why do you want kfm unbanned
byakko: i dont want kfm unbanned, why are you mad
iced: im not mad, why do you want kfm unbanned
byakko: i dont want kfm unbanned, why are you mad
iced: im not mad, why do you want kfm unbanned
byakko: i dont want kfm unbanned, why are you mad
jango: im just trolling

the end
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 09, 2014, 10:20:00 pm
indie projects that are not mugen? You have people that used to do mugen that then started doing bor, some started doing flash games, some went on to do full games ( thinking of rikard ) . all of those are indie projects I think.
Oh I see now. I think it'd be nice to have that section even if just in case. The threads there would get more attention than if they'd been stuck in the Gaming section or whatever since those boards are usually dominated by official stuff. I say try it out and see what happens.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 10:23:18 pm
byakko: iced hates kfm, watch him respond and be mad
No. Sorry, but I didn't bait his answer. All I said is "they blow up so I make fun of them for that", this isn't baiting.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 10:25:49 pm
indie projects that are not mugen? You have people that used to do mugen that then started doing bor, some started doing flash games, some went on to do full games ( thinking of rikard ) . all of those are indie projects I think.
Oh I see now. I think it'd be nice to have that section even if just in case. The threads there would get more attention than if they'd been stuck in the Gaming section or whatever since those boards are usually dominated by official stuff. I say try it out and see what happens.

My only question is if there is enough material.

I can only think of like, four five threads that would fit the criteria right now, and I think it might end up underused?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 09, 2014, 10:28:09 pm
It's better to have them there for future reference and easier access than letting them be buried under all the other threads. There's not much to lose from trying it out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 09, 2014, 10:28:48 pm
i don't think there's enough nonmugen activity to justify a board
see http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/other-engines-154736.0.html;all
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 09, 2014, 10:44:49 pm
The only way to solve this conflict is to unban KFM, clearly. It's win-win.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 09, 2014, 10:48:04 pm
Let´s permaban DNEA for KFM. Sounds like a fair trade! Willing to do that, boy??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 09, 2014, 10:50:26 pm
this is unrelated, but DAN_HIBIKI's ban expires in 2 days! are you all excited??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 09, 2014, 10:50:39 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on March 09, 2014, 10:51:43 pm
im gonna screencap the last few pages and send it to mc2 is that alright
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 09, 2014, 10:53:35 pm
Why, he was KFM's alt all this time ?

HEY, LOOK HERE, THIS IS A JOKE
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on March 09, 2014, 10:55:16 pm
Kinda not funny when it's forced, Kinda disrespectful actually.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 09, 2014, 11:00:11 pm
this is unrelated, but DAN_HIBIKI's ban expires in 2 days! are you all excited??

No.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 09, 2014, 11:00:26 pm
im gonna screencap the last few pages and send it to mc2 is that alright
why do you need permission. why did you even tell us. why would it matter if he saw this. why does anything matter
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 09, 2014, 11:07:20 pm
He and MC2 have lost the spark in their relationship and now the only way MC2 can get hard is by imagining MFG going up in smoke.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on March 09, 2014, 11:08:42 pm
well you unmasked me i am part of a secret mission by the mc2 agency to document the various goings on in mfg and use them as part of a trojan horse plot to destroy the place from within and re-establish mrev
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 09, 2014, 11:20:25 pm
when you reestablish mrev, make sure to revive doki doki mugen reviews along with it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on March 09, 2014, 11:40:22 pm
thats a bonus too im aiming for an s rank
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Erroratu on March 10, 2014, 12:13:54 am
He lost interest in the guild and is warring with some other forum now
At least thats what Anti MFG forum says
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on March 10, 2014, 12:20:46 am
That's still going? I wanna see how Peter's doing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 10, 2014, 01:17:39 am

My only question is if there is enough material.

I can only think of like, four five threads that would fit the criteria right now, and I think it might end up underused?

fucking music forum
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 10, 2014, 01:22:04 am
That board's entire existence is justified by this thread. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/what-r-u-listening-right-now-62705.0.html)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on March 10, 2014, 01:29:08 am
We should merge that board with entertainment...one of these days.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 10, 2014, 01:30:54 am
^ I agree.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 10, 2014, 03:38:52 am
but if the music board dissapears where will we post the porn ?

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Tyrant Belial on March 10, 2014, 04:34:04 am
Make it a subsection of entertainment.

If only cus it's slightly more complex.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 11, 2014, 06:52:34 pm
Is it ok to make lots of topics for every single stage you made?
This guy is an example: http://mugenguild.com/forum/your-releases-older-mugen.309  and  http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/arachnoman-83095

Wouldn't be better to make a topic with all stages?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 11, 2014, 06:54:19 pm
most often we merge them if we have too many at once.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 11, 2014, 08:17:35 pm
Arachno-Man ould use a merging of his threads then (he has like 10 threads on the first page here: http://mugenguild.com/forum/your-releases-older-mugen.309 )
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 11, 2014, 08:22:01 pm
Oh yeah, jeez, that's a lot. I don't think we should set a hard and fast limit on this kind of thing, but when your topics make up the majority of the threads on a page, it's gotta be done.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 11, 2014, 08:29:40 pm
I merged all the carnage there before it became MAXIMUM
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 11, 2014, 08:59:01 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1926628
Make it a sub board. That way it won't make a mess of the entertainment board.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 11, 2014, 11:06:58 pm
it won't regardless, page 2 has topics that are already over 1 year old.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 11, 2014, 11:20:33 pm
Already merged it. You can't even tell. I think there is like 1 music thread on the front page of Entertainment not counting the 1 sticky we kept. 1 Sticky was removed from Entertainment as well, can anyone remember what it was?!

Music Resources sticky was moved to the Dev Resources board.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 11, 2014, 11:39:41 pm
as long as the boobs sticky is in there I am happy (as far as I am concerned that's the only sticky I want ).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on March 12, 2014, 12:47:03 am
I think you mean books sticky?  Or is there a boobs sticky I can't see.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 12, 2014, 12:47:32 am
Probably both, knowing [E].
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 12, 2014, 12:50:55 am
do you like change your entire profile every week?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 12, 2014, 12:52:01 am
It's mostly my avatar and personal text. That's a big profile amirite.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 12, 2014, 01:20:03 am
I think you mean books sticky?  Or is there a boobs sticky I can't see.
this is the boobs sticky

http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/books-31042.0.html

now I wonder wha't the section of the forum that has less action so that we can keep on posting porn in there (or editing it in the posts so they don't get updated, like we did in the music forum).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 12, 2014, 01:28:56 am
^ Project EF-12 section?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Japanese Jesus on March 13, 2014, 11:32:57 pm
In light of this recent merging, I've got a question regarding the Gaming and Fighting Games sections. Is there a reason that they are separate from one another? I am going to assume that it is because some people do not want fighters flooding the gaming section, but this is a guild of fighting so they should learn to deal with it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 13, 2014, 11:37:36 pm
Both of these sections are very active, if they got merged, topics would skip a page very fast. They both have their first page (almost) filled with topics that have been active this week, meaning that in case of a merge, a topic not updated for a week would be flushed to the next page already. It's not like the Mugen release sections, but it's very often some topics that keep going over a long period of time, from the announcement to the release, and beyond that in certain cases.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 14, 2014, 03:27:36 pm
Hey, who deleted this?
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/melty-kof-kyo-brunestud-update-20140314-158102.msg1927965.html#new

This was the new update, and I reported it because there were two topics. You could have merged it like I suggested instead of deleting the new topic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 15, 2014, 12:06:19 am
They were merged, but since both OP were literally identical to the other, I deleted the one that came after. End result is that the first topic is the only one that exists, with the reply that came from the second topic from lijide2004 merged there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 16, 2014, 01:00:45 pm
Can you change the colour of the donators to a darker yellow?
Melcore is an example: http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/kof-2003-portrait-project-158029.0.html
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 16, 2014, 11:53:29 pm
Alternate accounts:
http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/toonar12-83046
http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/toonar12x-83426
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 16, 2014, 11:57:22 pm
Can you change the colour of the donators to a darker yellow?
Melcore is an example: http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/kof-2003-portrait-project-158029.0.html
give me a colour value and i will do it


Alternate accounts:
http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/toonar12-83046
http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/toonar12x-83426
lol the ages.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 17, 2014, 12:17:15 am
give me a colour value and i will do it

Is the HTML value okay? I choose this: 706f33 .
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 17, 2014, 12:22:04 am
Done
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 17, 2014, 12:28:13 am
Ahhh, it looks much better now. Thanks for your time!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on March 17, 2014, 12:40:12 am
Oooooooooooooooh.... The star looks really nice. :mmhmm:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 17, 2014, 12:41:49 am
Ahhh, it looks much better now. Thanks for your time!
Thank YOU for the feedback. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 18, 2014, 01:00:37 pm
I was reporting this topic to be moved in the right section:
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1929146

The author logged in just to move it in Found Releases 1.0+, but since he made the stage...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 21, 2014, 12:45:32 am
There's really no chance anyone was gonna see that, because it was already marked as solved.

Best way to handle these types of things is to PM a mod directly about it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 21, 2014, 10:17:20 am
OK, I'll remember that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 21, 2014, 06:14:00 pm
Super Dragon Blade (CVS Artist) has the star "No edit no delete":
Spoiler: image (click to see content)

What's that?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 21, 2014, 06:36:12 pm
Something that was set to invisible so I'm not sure why it's still displaying it. It's given to users that abuse their ability to move or edit threads.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TrinitroRoy on March 23, 2014, 03:16:08 pm
Sorry to interupt, but there is one post of C.A.N at the Warnings thread, that I cannot accept:
Quote
EDIT: He derailed another topic and kept on dragging the argument up after the topic had clearly changed. A time-out might be at hand.
Could someone please explain, how it is even possible to derail the Random Topic, if nothing is off-topic there? I would like to know...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2014, 03:52:13 pm
probably the fact that you made yet another thread about yourself and your general stupidity despite being told not to. the thread being the random topic is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 23, 2014, 04:11:32 pm
there is one post of C.A.N at the Warnings thread, that I cannot accept:
So this is one more time where you're told to stop and you just keep going and say "I disagree", once again not listening to the countless people who tell you to stop every time. And this time it's about the warning topic.
Are you just physically incapable of learning and listening or something ?
See, you think you're right this one time and it's okay for you to say I disagree. But you keep doing that, to the point that every single time, it happens because you treat it as an exception, you always think "okay for the previous times, but for this one, I'm right". So when is it not an exception ? When do you finally understand the general rule of "stop doing this" ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: jaede_ on March 23, 2014, 05:50:17 pm
So when is Trinitrony banned, seriously? Not only because he doesn't get the hint by this point, but also because the constant ridicule only clogs up every thread he posts in instead of a possibility of actual discussion, which gets really annoying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 23, 2014, 05:51:39 pm
Could someone please explain, how it is even possible to derail the Random Topic, if nothing is off-topic there? I would like to know...
I'll say this again: you brought up a dead discussion, one that hadn't even a single whisper of anything for over a page and shouldn't have gone any farther, and redirected the thread towards yourself. That is derailing. That is not knowing when to stop replying. That is not thinking before replying. If people hadn't even talked about you for over a page, the discussion was dead. You could have avoided so much ridicule had you just stopped and thought to yourself: "Hey, you know what? Maybe replying after people have already posted an entire page that doesn't involve me isn't such a good idea!" Replying even after that isn't exactly the most logical conclusion to come to.

tl;dr stop making every topic about you and control your posts. I'm tempted to just give you a time-out right now. Don't push it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on March 23, 2014, 06:21:18 pm
Mocking autism is low class.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 24, 2014, 09:25:44 pm
the "food for thought" thread started out as a trolling thread, but it turned into a legitimate thread. trinitronity derailed it when it was a legitimate thread with a legitimate discussion about fish going on. trinitronity should be banned for derailing yet another fucking thread, said thread's quality notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 24, 2014, 10:03:37 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1933665

MissB, Jape comes here once or twice a year. He doesn't make any problems.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on March 24, 2014, 10:35:18 pm
Good to know that being absent for 6 months gives you a free card for a day of trolling. Gonna use that next time I'm away for a long time :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 24, 2014, 10:56:02 pm
well, it kidna does, if trini' derailment happened also tice a year nobody would be bothered by it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 24, 2014, 11:09:48 pm
also if mbh had a problem with jape's threads maybe she should have brought them up in timely fashion to the staff instead of waiting to make a handful of passive aggressive posts. trying to compare a bunch of dumb threads jape made (which nobody really had a problem with if the lack of reports and "shut up, stop posting dumb shit" replies is any indication) with trinitronity's posts (someone who has been actively derailing threads by being stupid, has his posts reported often, has most users telling him to shut the fuck up, has repeatedly been warned about it) is just stupid.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on March 24, 2014, 11:22:23 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1933665

MissB, Jape comes here once or twice a year. He doesn't make any problems.


 I guess the staff agrees with you considering Bias report on Saturday of his thread and general shitposting is still ignored.

also if mbh had a problem with jape's threads maybe she should have brought them up in timely fashion to the staff instead of waiting to make a handful of passive aggressive posts. trying to compare a bunch of dumb threads jape made (which nobody really had a problem with if the lack of reports and "shut up, stop posting dumb shit" replies is any indication) with trinitronity's posts (someone who has been actively derailing threads by being stupid, has his posts reported often, has most users telling him to shut the fuck up, has repeatedly been warned about it) is just stupid.

I don't have a problem with his threads, trolling doesnt bother me.  Double standards for friends of the staff (or former staff) DOES. 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 24, 2014, 11:28:21 pm
i guess jape was friends with most posters here if the lack of reports or complaining in general about his posts are any indication. they're all biased

also iced just said he should be banned for a week with no warnings whatsoever. how's that for a double standard when trinitronityrniynrty gets banned for 3 days after being warned 10 times but my superfriend jape gets banned for a week with zero verbal warnings.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 24, 2014, 11:51:27 pm
Dont feel the need to warn someone who is around "just for le loltrolling kek", considering he had been banned ages ago over the same thing he was doing  This is not "page for le top kek shitposting" .

still think that if people want someone dealt with should speak up instead of just coming after and acting as if there are "Preferences" being given.  soapboxing goes nowhere.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 24, 2014, 11:57:57 pm
You should warn before ban regardless. Shit, even I do it. It's proper protocol basically.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 24, 2014, 11:59:08 pm
i'm all for people that are making bad posts getting banned, but when it takes so long for trinitronity to get a 3 day ban and when navana can return after his 12th chance i don't think it's exactly fair that someone gets banned for a week with zero attempt at verbal communication before the ban
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on March 25, 2014, 12:04:22 am
It's not fair. 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 25, 2014, 12:08:07 am
i'm all for people that are making bad posts getting banned, but when it takes so long for trinitronity to get a 3 day ban and when navana can return after his 12th chance i don't think it's exactly fair that someone gets banned for a week with zero attempt at verbal communication before the ban

hes here to troll

http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1932548

and make fun of dead people and those that care about those dead people.

He has no need for warnings.

I could go on and quote his posts to justify this, but he doesnt care, like you said "hes here just to troll" and his idea of having fun is making those kind of posts, so I stand by my suggestion. That im even bringing this up to voting its because of procedure, in ye olde guild I would have just banned him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 25, 2014, 12:11:49 am
I think we should make every effort to warn people and try to help them avoid being banned the first time, especially when it's over things that aren't meant to be malicious. For repeat offenders one is really all that's needed, and in certain cases I think it can be skipped. I guess it's only fair to warn this Jape guy first but looking over his post history isn't exactly inspiring me with a lot of sympathy. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 25, 2014, 12:13:18 am
yeah, the venezuela thing kinda made the warning worth skipping. about trini he's too lazy/self centered for his own good in this forum

http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1933655

dorae soemthign has got a similar behaviour but he keeps it in check in the request board (plus it's a request oard what can you be if not egoistic) so it's nothing wrong with him, but trini's request behaviour rubs off in the rest to the rest fo the forum.

what's wrong with me?
what do you mean I look autistic?
what can I do so peopel accept me?
how do I do that?
how do I think before I post?
etc...

we have had recently our sare of poster that started bad and a bunch of them improved, bu it's very difficult for trini to improve dunno why, it would be cool if he did.

     Posted: March 25, 2014, 12:13:55 am
for how long did jape get banned anyway?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 25, 2014, 12:14:46 am
i'm all for people that are making bad posts getting banned, but when it takes so long for trinitronity to get a 3 day ban and when navana can return after his 12th chance i don't think it's exactly fair that someone gets banned for a week with zero attempt at verbal communication before the ban

hes here to troll

http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1932548

and make fun of dead people and those that care about those dead people.

He has no need for warnings.

I could go on and quote his posts to justify this, but he doesnt care, like you said "hes here just to troll" and his idea of having fun is making those kind of posts, so I stand by my suggestion. That im even bringing this up to voting its because of procedure, in ye olde guild I would have just banned him.
no he needs a warning, titiln has a point here. what jape did rn is just regular shitposting while trini has been hardcore derailing for weeks. its a matter of proportionality.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 25, 2014, 12:16:00 am
for how long did jape get banned anyway?
He's not banned.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on March 25, 2014, 12:17:43 am
Jape's post in the Venezuela thread really pissed me off, I'm glad something's been done about him, and I've seen his other recent posts, just a freaking troll, and of the bad kind
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on March 25, 2014, 12:22:11 am
At least Trinitronity had a few normal posts but this guy came back straight up acting somewhat like a spammer, also posting in threats with 0 idea of what the hell its going on, people posting on his unnecessary food thread was pure luck IMO
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 25, 2014, 12:26:00 am
But he doesn´t derail threads every freaking time... we could go on. The post in the Venezuela Conflict thread deserves a warning at least.

Troll vs derailing. I just don´t know.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on March 25, 2014, 12:30:04 am
Meh, get rid of both. It's not like we need a daily fix of bad posts.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 25, 2014, 12:38:45 am
Jape is a gimmick poster and this forum would lose nothing if he was banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 25, 2014, 12:43:58 am
Yeah, let´s get rid of both. Jape is a harmless troll on its habitat, Trinitronity just keep derailing topics to no end.

Nothing of value will be lost but just let it escalate.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bea on March 25, 2014, 12:48:33 am
Okay, I hadn't seen that post on the Venezuela conflict thread. Should I have seen it, I'd have reported it, strongly suggesting a ban.
That post alone makes him deserve the ban that is coming his way.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 25, 2014, 12:50:28 am
Sorry for suggesting that but trolls like that guy deserves a full ban[Forever out of forum], right? One Year ban, 2 years, etc will not change trolls minds '-'
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 25, 2014, 12:51:30 am
hes here to troll

http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1932548
Uh ? Trolling or not, we've seen far worse in the department of oblivious stupidity, both from people who were and people who weren't trolling. A single "I hope no one got hurt" in an discussion about a civil war seems pretty tame to me.

Edit - I should point out I haven't seen much of his other posts. I'm just talking about that one. Other posts from him might be more aggressive, I don't know.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 25, 2014, 12:52:26 am
Sorry for suggesting that but trolls like that guy deserves a full ban[Forever out of forum], right? One Year ban, 2 years, etc will not change trolls minds '-'
glad youre not a mod then cause thats excessive
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 25, 2014, 02:03:10 am
after the events that just transpired i can only hope shitposters like trinitronityman get less warnings in the future
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 25, 2014, 02:10:20 am
if said shitposters ignore all warnings and skip right to mock what is being said about them and are only around to troll , i sure hope so.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 25, 2014, 02:11:13 am
yeah, not only malicious users shoudl get bans, if an user is too lazy/obtuse to teh point he becomes detrimental to the forum a ba should be awarded too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 25, 2014, 02:19:48 am
if said shitposters ignore all warnings and skip right to mock what is being said about them and are only around to troll , i sure hope so.
theyre not going to get any warnings if what happened is any indication
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 25, 2014, 02:40:52 am
recheck your definition of baiting, I guess giving a user a helping hand is considered baiting if you know before hand said user is too lazy/dumb to actually do as normal and fix his problem with said help and instead will keep on finding ways to ask for more help.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 25, 2014, 02:42:22 am
yes, this topic should never die.
...

Yep. Totally helping.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on March 25, 2014, 02:59:50 am
I think at least SD's way of threating people like crap and acting as he's superior to everyone need some discussion
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 25, 2014, 03:00:15 am
While I'm not going to defend the posts directed at Trin, he was repeatedly told to stop posting by multiple people (myself included) because we wasn't posting anything constructive. Cyan clearly told him about continuing to reply when no one wanted him to (and even explained why) (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1925446), and failed to do so anyway. Hate to be an asshole about the matter (and I'm not defending what was said to him) but he was asking for it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on March 25, 2014, 03:07:45 am
SD's thing it's not only with Trin, but also with users like Omega or Teitan (As far as I've seen)
EDIT: I like Cyan Paul's idea of post limit
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 25, 2014, 03:16:24 am
yes, this topic should never die.
...

Yep. Totally helping.
yeah, those were given when he did not even do the little step he was given.

     Posted: March 25, 2014, 03:17:42 am
post limit for trini sounds nice, I still have not completely given up on the guy. I mean, even at teh end of the topic he finally figured it out so it was not a  waste of time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 25, 2014, 03:18:19 am
I knew I wasn't the only one thinking about posting limits. The reason I didn't bring it up was because iirc it was something that only Valodim could do (I read this in an older part of the Warnings thread). Trin obviously isn't bad enough to warrant banning him for say, 3 months (since he isn't a malicious problem). Obviously he's be less of a problem if his posting frequency was fixed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on March 25, 2014, 03:20:28 am
Exactly, he isn't a malicious user, he's just a moron
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on March 25, 2014, 03:33:18 am
An actual forum mod is out of the question, 'cause Val is inactive and all, but we can still check him manually, with a clear warning that stepping out of bonds (overposting, multiple editing or whatever quicky workaround he thinks of) equals immediate ban.

I don't think Trini's hopeless either (I like to think he's still too young), but he must learn the most painful lesson of social interaction: how to survive in a place where isn't appreciated.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on March 25, 2014, 03:47:05 am
He seems to know the difference between "your" and "you're". That alone gives me some hope.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on March 25, 2014, 03:53:52 am
Not between 'then' and 'than', though :/
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on March 25, 2014, 03:58:14 am
He also overuses commas, in places where they are unnecessary.
While it's already common knowledge, he lacks the ability to have an open mind and his argumentative skills need polish as well.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on March 25, 2014, 04:04:12 am
Eh, you..you're not done learning yourself, Luigi1632.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on March 25, 2014, 04:06:53 am
Eh, you..you're not done learning yourself, Luigi1632.
Just about forgetting the past.  Not much else.
Unless coding AI counts.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 25, 2014, 10:48:35 am
Banning Trin will not fix him, but what it will fix is his constant derailing of threads, it will allow threads to go on without his intervention and forceful insertion of his personal issue.
Even if he won't suddenly be cured, if you tell him "you do that, you get banned, because, believe it or not, it's not right of you to do that, even if you think you're entitled, you're wrong", it might still happen a couple more time, but it might end up with him getting fed up of being banned for it with the same message each time, and that's what can teach him to lay low. It'll make him broody and disillusioned that "he can't say a thing or defend himself from evil people insulting his sickness" but at least it will make him stop. And if he's incapable of stopping after all that, it's quite simply tht he's incapable of functioning in society and flat out can't stay at all.
Hey, when you're a kid, the only thing that stops you from doing dumb shit thing is the shame of getting punished over and again if you're unable to figure out on your own that you're causing damage, even if you get a feeling of unfairness. A feeling that is of course unwarranted if parents do regularly insist on why it goes this way, but that's going to happen anyway, and it's still the best course of action to protect everyone else. And then one day you finally grow up and realize "wow, that was dickish of me to do that". That's when you learn that you're a grown-up. And when that happens it's better that someone was there to stop you from burying yourself even deeper, because that's what you'll be ashamed of.
(of course it's fine to let kids do it and figure it out by themselves, but when it starts shitting up other people, that has to stop)

Also, when discussing banning, you should remember that banning here is a slap on the wrist, three day timeout. As long as there isn't any other option for a timeout, like just a mute status. We had those before on the old forum software.

edit - by the way, I'm talking about punishing regularly so he someday gets the message, but in this case I don't think increasing the ban length each time is necessary, the recurring ban (timeout) itself is the main effect, so it doesn't have to reach six weeks, three months etc. If there was a timeout mute status, this is the one I'd suggest instead of the ban to get the effect I'm mentioning. Actually slapping him is the main point, not making him a complete outcast kicked out of the community.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on March 25, 2014, 02:18:20 pm
Let me tell you something about this case: I've dealt with Trinitronity not just in the general forum as most of you as normal user, also (and especially) I've to deal with him in Requests as moderator, and VERY especially in "does this thing exist?" thread, which I had to moderate him not just in derails like many of you did (since users to admins), but in annoying stuff for the thread as his constant bumps (at least one per page) and huges pyramid quotes (which most of them are also bumps).

I said in good manners, in bad manners, even I edited his posts, and nothing of that works since he got back with the same shit everytime, he got a warning in the morning and in the night he's again doing the same thing. 3 days, 1 month, 6 months, a year, a century, a millenium... it doesn't matter since a temporary ban won't work, he'll never understand and will go back to do the same things over and over again, and we'll see the same complains in few more weeks (if not next week). So yeah, ban him, and I hope this time is permanent.

And about Jape, there's no need even to talk about him, just permaban. Unless you want him to troll again next year as he did with Venezuela's thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 25, 2014, 02:32:38 pm
um, do you have any standards for permabanning at all lol
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 25, 2014, 03:13:44 pm
You guys need to realize, permabans are only in extreme cases. Last guy I permabanned was because he was about 5x worse than Jape and was doing it for 2 years, after coming back from a previous formerly permanent ban.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 25, 2014, 03:56:08 pm
i'm so glad basara and shinzakuro aren't staff members

A single "I hope no one got hurt" in an discussion about a civil war seems pretty tame to me.

Edit - I should point out I haven't seen much of his other posts. I'm just talking about that one. Other posts from him might be more aggressive, I don't know.
from his recent posts that was his most "offensive" one

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 25, 2014, 06:09:12 pm
why are you all tripping over yourselves on what should be done about trinitronity, even suggesting wasting valodim's scarce guild time on a mod to limit his posting when there are much more important matters he could attend to first. just keep banning him for longer time periods, jesus.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 25, 2014, 06:16:39 pm
Installing a pre existing mod should take less than 5 minutes. It's something we've needed back in our arsenal for a while anyway. If Val is too busy, or simply never responds to my question then we'll just go the ban longer route.

I'd already messaged him before you said anything so might as well see if he even responds to it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 25, 2014, 06:21:50 pm
If I remember correctly, those mods we had back then, with various warning levels (verbal and visual warning with no effect, probation mode with limited posting, mute, ban, something like that), were for the old software and they weren't compatible when Val switched, that's why they never came back in the first place. I might be mistaken of course.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 25, 2014, 06:31:14 pm
He replied back saying there is one he could implement. Said he was headed home so he'd have to do it tomorrow at Uni. So we'll see :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 25, 2014, 07:15:38 pm
unsolved threads being on top in the help forums is a far more pressing issue than needing a mod because trinitronity's posts need to be limited because this is the staff's plan to turn him into the best poster. this is a waste of time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 25, 2014, 07:24:08 pm
You're a waste of time!!! >:-[
I've already talked to Val about the solved topics issue and he had said he'd have to manually fix that. So that means it probably won't happen anytime soon.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on March 25, 2014, 07:31:02 pm
I'm sure the mod to limit posts would be useful for more than just one person.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 25, 2014, 07:35:44 pm
here are other wastes of valodim's time that would be better than a mod for one user (and statistically speaking one more user during the rest of the year)
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/skype-id-anyone-151532.0.html replace the msn field with skype field
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1910510 3ds friend code implementation seems botched
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1910552 deviantart and steam fields don't like dashes or underscores
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1904383 this thread list botch is still possible as far as i know
the smiley list is still mostly unusable. this doesn't even need a thread link.

priorities
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 25, 2014, 07:40:48 pm
And I have talked to Valodim about all of those things. (well not the deviantart thing, I hadn't seen it but yeah)

Installing a pre existing mod is quicker and easier than doing any of those other things.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 26, 2014, 06:40:26 pm
i'm so glad basara and shinzakuro aren't staff members

A single "I hope no one got hurt" in an discussion about a civil war seems pretty tame to me.

Edit - I should point out I haven't seen much of his other posts. I'm just talking about that one. Other posts from him might be more aggressive, I don't know.
from his recent posts that was his most "offensive" one
gimme a break.


trying to racism bait
Uganda Uganda? (You going to Uganda?) heehe. i wont be because im
scared of black ppl

about ugandans killing and jailing gays. when his first "IM RETARDED" post didnt bait anyone
theyre a pretty reasonable people

and after people complained about him joking about dead venezuelans:

I don't think it's right to make light of international civil war, could something be done about this thread, please?

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 26, 2014, 07:05:20 pm
i didn't see those LOL

And I have talked to Valodim about all of those things. (well not the deviantart thing, I hadn't seen it but yeah)

Installing a pre existing mod is quicker and easier than doing any of those other things.
how much time can the msn thing take. seriously
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 27, 2014, 02:14:33 pm
Alternate accounts:
http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/toonar12-83046
http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/toonar12x-83426

No merge?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 27, 2014, 03:40:26 pm
I missed that post. Done
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 29, 2014, 01:27:05 am
http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/-cvs-artist--83899
http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/cvs-artist-77070

Merge these two please.

(he will still be Super Dragon Blade in my eyes)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 29, 2014, 01:48:58 am
Was waiting to see which one he wanted to keep. Done
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 29, 2014, 02:54:30 am
i just checked trinitronity's post history and pulled some numbers. he had 12 posts on sunday, 28 on saturday, 32 on friday, 18 on thursday, 4 on wednesday and 3 on tuesday. limiting his posts to 20 is laughable
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 29, 2014, 04:31:07 am
It´s like an invitation for continue derailing topics. 20 is too much, I think 10 posts should be a good limitation.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 29, 2014, 04:39:53 am
Little late to the party, Aldo.
That was Iced's number! I was suggesting 8-10! Which I guess would still be a bit much :P

Will drop it down to 6.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 29, 2014, 06:21:34 am
this is kinda weird and unneeded when we can just ban him again when he derails. but whatever works
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on March 29, 2014, 09:29:51 am
I think the point is more of a "long-term goal" than just banning. You can keep banning him, but most likely he won't learn anything and he'll still derail whenever he gets back. If you give him limited posts, he'll learn pretty quickly that he has to make every post count.

Either that or he'll telegraph his arguments and resume them the next day, BUT I WANT TO BE OPTIMISTIC, DAMMIT
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 29, 2014, 06:40:03 pm
the idea was to give him a lifebar that he could know how well he was doing instead of just banning him, the 20 would quickly drop to 10 next time he did something bad, dunno why the rush  with lowering his lifebar if the next derail would have lowered it .
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 29, 2014, 06:47:48 pm
The idea of a limiter is to limit. By limiting to 20 you're not really limiting him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 29, 2014, 06:50:11 pm
yeah he had already been banned before so i figured he would be in his best behaviour at first, if he kept acting up then he would be further limited
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 30, 2014, 03:24:50 am
@ Cyan's comment on making the most out of the new mod tool :
Dorothymon is clumsy and oblivious but he's never close to disruptive, and unlike Trynitro, he doesn't hold on to being wrong like a pitbull to an old lady's hip and doesn't end up getting aggressive about it by being overly defensive, he's mostly just a one liner of being oblivious and then moves on to something else, I wouldn't say it warrants a posting limit. It's just a matter of education, the kind a forum can't bring at all, so he's just going to be one of those weird little children that don't do much but stay around.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on March 30, 2014, 04:33:43 am
Ok, Ume is becoming one of my fav mods now
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 30, 2014, 04:53:07 am
basically,if you bring dora into it, then peopel are going to suggest to use it on segatron, uche, videoman and a few other guys who also tend to make those kind of posts and who end up being disruptive because of bumping topics or being told off by other users. I say we leave them out of the post limit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 30, 2014, 04:59:39 am
Yeah. Post limit is just an alternative to banning. Those users have not been warned. And Dor wasn't on the table for a ban due to his posts. Trin wasn't actively trying to be disruptive. I don't believe so anyway. He just didn't get it. Post limit is to help those that can't seem to hold themselves back do so. The hope is that if they risk wasting a post they will not be able to talk about real mugen related issues.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 30, 2014, 05:10:04 am
trin already improved from the times when he tried telling jokes an got angry at people not laughing at them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on March 30, 2014, 05:12:15 am
Yeah but in IMT he says he's quitting here, so I guess he rather quits than learning how to be a better user
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 30, 2014, 05:20:09 am
He can deal with this in whatever way he wants. Let´s not antagonize him for whatever decision he takes.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 30, 2014, 05:24:46 am
Ok, Ume is becoming one of my fav mods now
thanks, i try my best lol
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 30, 2014, 05:28:11 am
Yeah but in IMT he says he's quitting here
Link please.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 30, 2014, 05:29:43 am
How about we not do that, and respect his decisions and not try and scrutinize him over it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 30, 2014, 05:30:31 am
I'm just curious what he said. I wasn't going to berate him. :U
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 30, 2014, 05:31:27 am
Yeah but in IMT he says he's quitting here
Link please.
uh cmon man. find it yourself instead of having it broadcasted here. do you really care that much?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 30, 2014, 05:32:26 am
I couldn't find it when I checked IMT. Seriously dude, no need to bite my head off.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 30, 2014, 05:33:18 am
Who would have thought Trinitronity would be the one to turn us all against each other!!!

     Posted: March 30, 2014, 05:38:40 am
I found Navana there. I couldn't find Trin either. Oh well.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on March 30, 2014, 05:49:34 am
He said it in the chatbox, I can copy/paste it here, but IDK, I don't see the point
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 30, 2014, 05:59:06 am
IMT confirmed as the new Infantry? :shocked3:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 30, 2014, 06:00:15 am
He said it in the chatbox, I can copy/paste it here, but IDK, I don't see the point

You have been cursed to post something since you brought it up so I don´t know...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 30, 2014, 06:03:21 am
No, Jesus Christ guys, just drop all this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 30, 2014, 06:10:59 am
i say we give a post limit to that guy iced becasue everytime he posts hell breaks loose.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 30, 2014, 06:27:04 am
Edward should be limited to 100 posts perday.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on March 30, 2014, 08:34:16 am
the real lesson here is that self limiting your posts is a good way of staying out of trouble
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TrinitroRoy on March 30, 2014, 08:35:10 am
W-wait, I didn't expect my post at IMT to hit THAT hard.
It's not like I want to quit MFG forever. I just want to take a break of it, that's all.
Which, of course, I will do after my video problems are solved, and during that time, I will still post release threads.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 30, 2014, 08:37:07 am
it didnt hit hard at all. in the end nobody cares whether you leave or stay. its up to you to earn that respect.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on March 31, 2014, 02:52:11 am
Can something be done about SD already?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 31, 2014, 02:58:43 am
He didn't really step out of line from what I saw. Not really any need for mod intervention, especially since it seems like it's dying down.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 31, 2014, 02:59:52 am
I know what this is about (and I know it's been more than just recent situation), but this one's not on him tbh (at least this time). There was no reason for Xhom to respond to him considering S.D. didn't even say anything that could be interpreted as bait.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on March 31, 2014, 03:16:58 am
What's with the blind crusade against Dio anyways? The one who is out of line in that thread is Xhominid.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 31, 2014, 03:18:49 am
i have to agree here, dio barely said anything out of line, the xhominid guy is the one being overbearing
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 31, 2014, 03:21:58 am
Here I thought SD did something in a different thread. Yeah this was all on Xhominid. (assuming we are talking about the SF4 thread)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 31, 2014, 03:24:00 am
What's with the blind crusade against Dio anyways? The one who is out of line in that thread is Xhominid.

I guess not many people like how he´s quite rough in its comments at times. In the thread the one that was derailing the topic was Xhominid.

He can be a little over the top at times (especially with Uche, videoman, etc) but that´s his way of saying things.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 31, 2014, 03:26:14 am
^ This pretty much.

He does give off an intimidating & antagonizing impression, but he's actually quite reasonable when people aren't posting dumb shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 31, 2014, 05:39:07 am
there are times when sd is a bit excessive on people that are posting dumb shit, but this isn't one of those times. the last time a moderator yelled at him was because he called someone dumb. hopefully the next time he's brought up it's because of something legitimate and not because "Well he called me silly"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on March 31, 2014, 06:21:29 am
A bit?? Seriously?? He treats almost everyone (but his friends) as shit for saying less, I still don't get why some of you are still defending him (friends, I suppose). Luckily for me, I got him in ignore list, so I don't worried anymore.

But yeah, all of you are right this time, he's not the target now... Xhominid derailed the thead in this time, I hope the message JNP gave him in that thread were enough to stop his behavior
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 31, 2014, 06:29:31 am
i'd say report the sd posts you find excessively offensive but you're not even seeing his latest posts. is there any point to your post other than to say "im ignoring him LOL"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 31, 2014, 06:29:37 am
Iced
._.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on March 31, 2014, 06:36:38 am
My bad, fixed :P

i'd say report the sd posts you find excessively offensive but you're not even seeing his latest posts. is there any point to your post other than to say "im ignoring him LOL"
Why should I see his posts anyway?? There's a reason why he's in my ignore list, you know
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 31, 2014, 06:39:02 am
it's pointless for you to come here saying He is a shits!! I have him posts on ignored! when we're discussing his current posts (something you're not seeing)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: S.D. on March 31, 2014, 06:40:09 am
All I did was call him out on how he was being extremely unreasonable and aggressive (Also repeating himself over and over through a handful of pages), DKDC and Jmorphman's points went over his head too and it irked me how he replies to DKDC's posts (DKDC had no reason whatsoever to be polite, not after Xhominid's terrible replies)

So what's your main problem, concern or point you were trying to make, QuickFist?
Are you talking about a recent post in particular?

He can be a little over the top at times (especially with Uche, videoman, etc) but that´s his way of saying things.
I don't think "way of saying things" is quite right (It makes it sound like because of that it should be acceptable or a standard) but I do tend to have a very low tolerance for people being unreasonable/self-entitled ("Capcom Co., Ltd. OWES ME this character in USF4, they're so lazy!") or overly oblivious to a point where you can't honestly tell if they're sarcastic or they (seriously) have a mental condition (Yeah, those guys). I do understand it can be sometimes disruptive and it derails threads (That also irks me and again, that's why I called Xhomid out in the USF4 thread because hey, if people call me out when I'm being disruptive why can't I do the same when other people are being disruptive?) so I assure you I've been thinking twice before hitting the reply button though!

I don't see how can Basara agree with the situation if he hasn't read said posts other than, as titiln said, post a "im ignoring him LOL" but hey, whatever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 31, 2014, 06:45:13 am
So what's your main problem, concern or point you were trying to make, @QuickFist
Are you talking about a recent post in particular?
From what I understand, he's getting sick and tired of how you post and suffer fools poorly. Not really much else.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 31, 2014, 06:47:47 am
people being abrasive to stupid things is something you need to get used to if youre gonna use the internet.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: S.D. on March 31, 2014, 07:23:24 am
From what I understand, he's getting sick and tired of how you post and suffer fools poorly. Not really much else.
I think I'd rather hear what he has to say, he brought this up (He's been bringing up a lot of stuff lately) so I expect him to take full responsibility of his post and write an elaborate reason as to why he came up with this other than "Can we do something about X member"?Don't help him, that's cheating, now he'll just say "Yeah uh.. what he said."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 31, 2014, 07:24:19 am
Whatever works. He's brought you up to me behind closed doors at least once, so I felt I was in a reasonable position to speak up.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on March 31, 2014, 07:29:10 am
@S.D.: Ok, as CAN said, it really gets on my nerves how you (not always) treat people like shit, ok they may be posting stupid things or being disruptive, whatever, but that doesn't mean you can treat them like shit and as you were superior to them.
And I believe that's not how someone should behave in a forum, a community.

But after reading your post, I see that you realize and admit that you are indeed aggresive sometimes and have low tolerance against (shit/dumb) posters, so I apologize for being kind of a jerk with you, I take it back, but I'd really like if you handled dumb posters in another way.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on March 31, 2014, 07:31:55 am
Well, Dio has been warned about his behavior already and as far as I can tell has not had another incident regarding it, you bringing up that he treated users like shit before and something should be done about him is really out of place since he was doing nothing of the sort.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 31, 2014, 07:35:35 am
when people post dumb shit they're called out on it. if it's not by dio it's by 100 other people. just report the instances in which the replies are completely disproportionate (like a You should kill your family and yourself, you're a waste of space and a moronic shithead reply to someone saying Where is Goku in Smash Brother's) when they come up instead of bringing them up vaguely here
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on March 31, 2014, 07:36:52 am
Allright, will do, lesson learned.
Sorry again SD
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: S.D. on March 31, 2014, 07:38:30 am
I'd rather read your reason for bringing this up over someone else's interpretation. I was just confused since, as some other people mentioned before, Xhominid was the one going over the line and I only posted two messages that weren't disrupting at all so it really seemed out of place.

I'm glad you cleared that up and you don't really have to apologize.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 31, 2014, 08:00:56 am
the way i see it is shin dio, titiln and tempest are the power rangers of smacking down dumb posts and without their guiding forces this forum would be overrun by the masses of evil
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 31, 2014, 11:59:54 am
they are obviously failing if they made YOU a mod.

#rekt
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on March 31, 2014, 12:14:58 pm
the way i see it is shin dio, titiln and tempest are the power rangers of smacking down dumb posts and without their guiding forces this forum would be overrun by the masses of evil

Uche, Drewski, Segabot, Trini and that doraemon guy are finally a full team. Now is just a matter of time before they take over the forum. Nothing you can do about that :V
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 31, 2014, 05:39:27 pm
they are obviously failing if they made YOU a mod.

#rekt
i dont understand the joke
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 31, 2014, 05:52:21 pm
I dont either but like every iced post you gotta just smile and thank him for being such a swell guy
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 31, 2014, 05:55:50 pm
aw shucks
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 31, 2014, 05:59:51 pm
I think its time for your meds gramps
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Erroratu on March 31, 2014, 07:11:23 pm
Don't forget to feed the invisible baby while you're at it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on April 01, 2014, 02:32:19 pm
Just dropping in to say whoever idea it was to turn the CotM/CotY star into a trophy; You're awesome.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 01, 2014, 02:54:32 pm
Yeah, it actually stands out and it's pretty cool, usually when it's all stars you don't pay much attention and you don't realize they're here. The trophies are very noticeable.

      Posted: April 01, 2014, 02:57:48 pm
Iced in Changes regarding financing DO NOT PANIC said:
Valodim will be our main liason
It was almost believable except for that line, it's common knowledge that Valodim doesn't do much, you went too far and pulled the rope too much, man.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 01, 2014, 05:32:00 pm
I assume the new bots will use the segabot code so people think they are real people.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DMK on April 01, 2014, 05:34:09 pm
I want Mountain Dew and Doritos icons instead of stars
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 01, 2014, 09:15:31 pm
AdminBot in Announcement: New moderation system! ADMINBOT LOVES YOU  said:
HELLO CITIZENS. PLEASE DO NOT BE ALARMED. I AM HERE TO PROTECT AND SERVE. OBEY THE RULES AND THERE WILL BE NO PROBLEMS.

AND REMEMBER, DO THE DEW!
For starters, don't post in capslock, it's obnoxious !
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 01, 2014, 09:17:48 pm
I'll try and adjust the settings.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on April 02, 2014, 02:14:13 am
About the Stage of the Month thing, I say quarterly, that way there'll be a lot more material for the awards
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: RadBot i on April 02, 2014, 03:13:22 am
RadBot here, after my upgrades I came up with way to keep this trivial matter organized. Due to the numerous amounts of stages it would make sense for entries to be more exclusive if the competition is going to be quarterly. Users should enter only if they desire to, no nominations nor multiple entries, you enter one stage to be allowed into the competition and a small number of users would review it and allow it to be entered into the poll. If quarterly that would limit only 3 users to having the award, so let the winners be third, second, and first place. This way there would be 3 winners for every quarter, allowing for 12 competitors for stage of the year, the same number character of the year shall normally have.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on April 02, 2014, 02:52:30 pm
I told you SotQ was the way to go.

Y u no listen? ._.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 02, 2014, 03:42:57 pm
ugh the adbots left trash everywhere, should we delete their posts whole?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 02, 2014, 04:11:35 pm
Compile their posts into a mega thread, store that somewhere like 2011's joke?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on April 02, 2014, 04:31:29 pm
Don't forget to rename the thread to "Never do this again" and make it private
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 02, 2014, 04:39:09 pm
how about we rename it to "because you fucks had better ideas right" and make it a global sticky and linked in the banner
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 02, 2014, 04:41:47 pm
Goh wrote like, half the material we used.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 02, 2014, 04:42:36 pm
then why is he admitting defeat. weakling
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on April 02, 2014, 09:00:25 pm
Wow GOH you suck
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 02, 2014, 09:02:21 pm
Just like his writing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on April 02, 2014, 11:35:34 pm
Man you really got me there sick burn how will I live
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DMK on April 02, 2014, 11:38:31 pm
Time for the exit bag man. its the only way to keep your honor
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 02, 2014, 11:51:11 pm
how about we rename it to "because you fucks had better ideas right" and make it a global sticky and linked in the banner

There isn't really much to work with on a forum with limited access to layout/image/site changes so good job.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on April 03, 2014, 12:05:03 am
H-HEY I HELPED TOO LISA SENPAI
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on April 03, 2014, 12:18:01 am
Just like his writing.

And your posts :grrr:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on April 03, 2014, 12:29:44 am
I personally laughed my ass off at the adbots, kudos goh.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 03, 2014, 12:41:53 am
get out of laharl's account GOH!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on April 03, 2014, 12:45:44 am
Let me have my fun I'm a dying man you know
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 03, 2014, 12:46:33 am
ugh the adbots left trash everywhere, should we delete their posts whole?
Unless they posted in any MUGEN related threads I think it's fine.

Goh wrote like, half the material we used.
Maybe the stuff YOU used, all my shit was improvised. And I did most of it at the end! >:[
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on April 03, 2014, 12:52:27 am
I personally laughed my ass off at the adbots, kudos goh.

As did I. It was definitely the most entertaining/worthwhile joke done yesterday. Everything else was pretty lack luster imo. Yeah, kudos to GOH and everyone else involved with the adbot prank. It was definitely funny. Don't get rid of RadBot i though. He was a cool, crude bot with attitude. He even got an upgrade!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 03, 2014, 12:59:17 am
the best thing about this year's joke was that segabot and omegabot finally got some companions that are on their same intellectual/AI level but the sad thing is that it only lasted a day, oh well.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on April 03, 2014, 01:05:31 am
I wish we kept the bots for a bit longer.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on April 03, 2014, 01:06:53 am
Yeah, but I think the on switch broke or something. :c
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on April 03, 2014, 01:12:31 am
the best thing about this year's joke was that segabot and omegabot finally got some companions that are on their same intellectual/AI level but the sad thing is that it only lasted a day, oh well.

The AdBots were funnier and weren't unbelievably cringeworthy, so +1 to them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on April 03, 2014, 01:13:42 am
AdminBot should have been more active :V
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 03, 2014, 01:16:46 am
We had to deactivate AdminBot several times because he was trying to ban people for nothing. Sorry.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on April 03, 2014, 01:18:00 am
You wasted an opportunity to create your very own Internet forum Ultron you dumbface
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 03, 2014, 01:21:06 am
We had to deactivate AdminBot several times because he was trying to ban people for nothing. Sorry.
you forgot to turn off segabot, uchebot, omegabot and videobot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on April 03, 2014, 01:26:47 am
We lost control of those ones a while ago. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 03, 2014, 01:33:27 am
H-HEY I HELPED TOO LISA SENPAI

Good job, GOH :) I am proud of you
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 03, 2014, 01:33:43 am
You wasted an opportunity to create your very own Internet forum Ultron you dumbface
I was actually going for more of a RoboCop type deal with AdminBot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on April 03, 2014, 01:34:25 am
Should have had him ban the other adbots after they didn't follow his orders.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 03, 2014, 01:35:41 am
We discussed him actually banning people, but that wouldn't be cool to a normal user, then briefly considered him banning me, but I dunno AdminBot was just not as fun as the AdBots were so it got dropped.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 03, 2014, 01:55:37 am
H-HEY I HELPED TOO LISA SENPAI

Good job, GOH :) I am proud of you
(http://i.imgur.com/RlENP9X.gif?1)
WRECKED
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on April 03, 2014, 02:05:39 am
We had to deactivate AdminBot several times because he was trying to ban people for nothing. Sorry.
you forgot to turn off segabot, uchebot, omegabot and videobot.

A single bot that consisted of the behavior of these guys + trini and drewski would've been a much better April fools idea than what was done yesterday.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 03, 2014, 02:08:23 am
Mocking people would be better than joking around.. Sounds great guys.
So what did you do yesterday?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bea on April 03, 2014, 02:16:09 am
The bots didn't make me cringe like most other April Fools pranks, so good job there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 03, 2014, 02:28:38 am
i have to give props to rednavi for at least proposing his own idea of an april fools (even though it was a bad one) unlike most people that say it was shit and offer no ideas
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 03, 2014, 02:31:54 am
Can I propose the following idea : don't do an April Fool ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on April 03, 2014, 02:33:35 am
^ That would be nice.

It was... a weird but really well executed idea for April Fools. Some bots posted gold comedy comments and all that but I won´t say anything since I didn´t have a better idea anyways. Maybe for next year.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on April 03, 2014, 02:46:02 am
i have to give props to rednavi for at least proposing his own idea of an april fools (even though it was a bad one) unlike most people that say it was shit and offer no ideas

You're saying that as if I wasn't aware of how bad the idea was :V

I would definitely keep radbot though, he was rad.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 03, 2014, 02:47:03 am
i guess "there's no joke" being the joke would be a good meta joke because people expect a joke in this site at this point
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on April 03, 2014, 02:48:40 am
Genius!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 03, 2014, 04:36:41 am
I was actually going for more of a RoboCop type deal with AdminBot.
1987 or 2014 robocop?
Can I propose the following idea : don't do an April Fool ?
great idea! and while we're at it we can chnage your name to NO FUN ALLOWED!
[avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/other/nofun.jpg[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 03, 2014, 04:40:19 am
1987 or 2014 robocop?
I'm offended by the question and refuse to answer.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DMK on April 03, 2014, 04:41:24 am
Obviously you're a 2014 fan.

p-please don't ban me jman! I'll go watch some Space Ghost: Coast to Coast to make up for it!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Tyrant Belial on April 03, 2014, 04:48:32 am
As someone whose watched neither, I can say they're both equally good.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 03, 2014, 04:55:34 am
i will show you a world of pain
I'm offended by the question and refuse to answer.
my bad i somewhat misunderstood what you originally said as if "he was turning into something like robocop" hence my question. pardon my dyslexia
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on April 03, 2014, 04:56:47 am
I expected a change in the forum as past years (something like DDR and Le Guild), but the bots surprised me and was a good joke. But in the end they were unbearable at the point of becoming the character I go---BOTS ARE ENEMIES OF THE DALEKS, THEY MUST BE EXTERMINATED!! EXTERMINATE, ELIMINATE, DESTROY!!!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 03, 2014, 04:58:45 am
THEY WERE ONLY SUPERIOR TO US IN ONE ASPECT

THEY WERE BETTER AT DYING
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 03, 2014, 06:09:39 am
how about we rename it to "because you fucks had better ideas right" and make it a global sticky and linked in the banner

There isn't really much to work with on a forum with limited access to layout/image/site changes so good job.
I can't tell if this is sincere lol

I'm not to surprised it wasn't mindblowing, cause yeah we had no access to Val. I originally proposed the idea of sponsorship/marketing all over the forum but I didn't really put forth any detail on it, just advertisements all over lol. Then we let it sit for a coupkle weeks and at the last minute began arguing about how to do it, and eventually Jmorph Iced and I came to an agreement on how to do it. Unfortunately things looked pretty bleak because nobody but Iced was doing anything but then coolest saved the day by pretty much starting the whole thing alone and me, xan, jmorph and iced (and SUPPOSEDLY person man) picked up the slack from there. so thats how we did it. i wrote the financial announcement btw but i cringe everytime i look at it cause theres a millions of more credible ways i couldve done it lmao

oh and the mfg team tag idea was actually separate too lol
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 03, 2014, 06:14:03 am
It was purposely ambiguous.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 03, 2014, 06:15:52 am
i'll take what i can get with you, so thanks
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 04, 2014, 10:04:53 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/your-releases-older-mugen.309
So Arachno-Man has 7 threads of stages at the time of this post (likely just quick Cybaster's tool stages but that's irrelevant) on page 1. I think we should just merge all of his threads to one and keep him from making so many threads. It's not a HUGE issue but it pushes a lot of things out of the way.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on April 05, 2014, 12:03:47 am
To add, it's the second time he does it.

Also, didn't we (we=you) do something to those who made these kind of stages (like AnimaniacsFan)?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 08, 2014, 04:40:15 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1941843
the automatic post merging feature has to go, or the checkbox deactivated by default. from what i've seen it's mostly an annoyance than something helpful
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on April 08, 2014, 04:41:34 pm
^^ THIS!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 08, 2014, 04:54:16 pm
also if little jimmy wants to be annoying and make a bunch of posts in a row or bump his request topic, he can simply deactivate the box. with neocargalpha it's the 4th case i've seen of someone being inconvenienced by the feature, other cases including people posting game news and wip updates and going unnoticed. manually activating it is useful in some cases, but it should be off by default
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 08, 2014, 05:12:29 pm
it has been shifted so that its unchecked by default if the last post was over two days ago. can someone test it?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 08, 2014, 05:19:27 pm
Just checked. On a topic I just replied to, the box is there and checked. On an older topic I last replied to, the box is.... not there at all, and I can double-post. I can't willingly merge though.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 08, 2014, 05:21:48 pm
kindof an improvement, imo.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 14, 2014, 07:13:44 am
it's also worth noting that helliori posted erect dicks under a spoiler tag with no nsfw warning and is also ironically being a homophobic shithead in general in the spanish thread
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 14, 2014, 07:58:04 am
http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/elregresodelostroles1-84017
I...don't think this is human. I almost want to say it's actually a bot, but I have no confirmation. Stopforumspam has no name hits.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on April 14, 2014, 08:04:03 am
JMM already took care of him/it.
Whether him/it makes another account is something else.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 14, 2014, 08:07:34 am
thats a bot, 6 entries for its ip in stopforumspam
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 14, 2014, 08:10:11 am
I guess we will never know how to get such fine products like 56uhn56u578om78h567jh56 :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 14, 2014, 08:10:32 am
Not much of a loss. :3
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Deadface on April 20, 2014, 09:49:20 am
Regarding the whole Saohc deal:
Jmorphman said:
Or wait, we have post limitations now... hmm. Maybe that's the best option. He'll still be able to work on his AI topic and what not, and have to avoid doing any woe is me crap if he wants to keep being able to do that. And if he still keeps it up then we could ban him. Or we could just ban him now, I can't muster up a compelling case for either option.
If post limitations are basically a daily limit, I'd recommend a limit of three posts per day for about two weeks as a warning in itself. Should problems persist, a two month ban to reflect upon things. I feel this is the best way to not hinder with pertinent action like progress on his own works and replying to inquiries regarding them, restricting him from going on his attention seeking antics.

At least, that's my two cents.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 20, 2014, 01:15:05 pm
Should problems persist
The thing is that he's already played the "I was trolling, and now I'm over it" card, so I don't think it's going to persist. The damage (shitposting) has already been done. If his posts get limited, chances are, they'll just be his usual posting style, only limited, and it won't go further than that as a punishment.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 20, 2014, 01:17:45 pm
im kinda with byakko here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 20, 2014, 06:52:30 pm
a 3 days ban is good not because he will care too much about not being able to post for 3 days, but because it opens the door for a longer ban if he repeats the offense.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 20, 2014, 06:58:19 pm
post limitation would be appropriate if this was the first time he did this, which clearly it is not
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TrinitroRoy on April 27, 2014, 08:46:09 am
Excuse me, but why does Drewski don't get any warnings at all?
I mean, just look at the Soul Calibut thrad by CvS Artist. He behaved like an ass.
Shouldn't he get at least a verbal warning?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on April 27, 2014, 08:58:36 am
not really (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/soul-calibur-159147.0.html)

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 27, 2014, 09:00:54 am
If you feel like he's out of line, please report his posts. That's how the forum works. :I
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on April 27, 2014, 09:01:26 am
because drewski is secretly a genius
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 27, 2014, 09:03:47 am
Well yes there's that. He's also a secret admin too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on April 27, 2014, 12:26:22 pm
Excuse me, but why does Drewski don't get any warnings at all?
I mean, just look at the Soul Calibut thrad by CvS Artist. He behaved like an ass.
Shouldn't he get at least a verbal warning?
So saying the truth is "behaving like an ass"? Wow.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TrinitroRoy on April 27, 2014, 12:57:58 pm
So saying the truth is "behaving like an ass"? Wow.
Wait, what he said, was the truth?
He still could have had elaborated on his qualms, though.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on April 27, 2014, 12:59:38 pm
Just report him if you think he's doing something wrong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 27, 2014, 01:02:11 pm
Wait, what he said, was the truth?
He still could have had elaborated on his qualms, though.
Looking at the topic, it may be the truth that it's a Goddess Athena edit, but it's also incredibly obvious. I mean, the guy is making a character that doesn't exist anywhere, so it has to be one of two things : either it's a completely new character and he's drawing or editing the sprites from nothing, or he's just doing some edits to an existing character and creating new moves at best. So yes, pointing that out with this insistence is just fucking stupid and insulting.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on April 27, 2014, 01:06:03 pm
It's drewski, he's special just like uche so we often just ignore them at this point lol
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 27, 2014, 08:05:29 pm
well, the topic creator did not post a picture so he was begging for a post like that one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mgbenz on April 27, 2014, 10:01:47 pm
I don't see how drewski was being an ass. He was just telling the truth (in his own special drewski way).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on April 27, 2014, 11:43:29 pm
If you feel like he's out of line, please report his posts. That's how the forum works. :I

:cawg:

That cracked me up. But I also cannot argue facts!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 27, 2014, 11:50:16 pm
Saikoro, it's an edited character as in it's based on Athena, but it's not an edit of someone else's character.
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yeah I used the sprites but I did not edit any creators Athena
I just used the sprites and coded them
So it doesn't go to the edits section, it's in the right place. And why is it locked now ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 27, 2014, 11:52:25 pm
absolutely nothing wrong happened in that thread, just drewski being obnoxious in making a point
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 27, 2014, 11:53:17 pm
No, nothing wrong. Something dumb, but nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on April 28, 2014, 12:07:09 am
Saikoro, it's an edited character as in it's based on Athena, but it's not an edit of someone else's character.

That... reads redundant to me. I see it as it's an edit that is not an edit.

And that was most likely locked (without looking at the mod history) by C.v.S. Artist. He/She/It/Whatever pulls that kind of shit all of the time, most likely because replies that were expected were not attained. Go figure.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 28, 2014, 12:09:08 am
its edited sprites, not a character that was already made and edited.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 28, 2014, 12:10:45 am
iced your avatars are fucking distracting in serious conversations lmao
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on April 28, 2014, 12:11:35 am
Edited SNKP sprites.
Not edited mugen character.

He didn't search for a Goddess Athena mugen character that was already made and edited it. He took the sprites and with a base (I bet it's KFM by DivineWolf) he started to code his own character. I don't know if I made myself clear.

Lots of ninjas here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on April 28, 2014, 12:15:04 am
People have the right to lock their own threads if they don't want feedback.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 28, 2014, 12:19:05 am
iced your avatars are fucking distracting in serious conversations lmao
dont catshame me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 28, 2014, 12:20:33 am
im triggered by cats and bad posts guess youre fucked
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on April 28, 2014, 12:23:34 am
its edited sprites, not a character that was already made and edited.

I get it. It's just that with the way it's typed out, it sounded odd.

And yes, that fucking Cat Avatar is a riot. I sat here one day at work hitting F5 about 45 times and laughing at A: how truly funny that is and B: I only got about 5 repeat images. How many do you have all together??

People have the right to lock their own threads if they don't want feedback.

Totally true. But, uh, isn't the point of a forum to get feedback in the first place!? That does not compute with me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 28, 2014, 12:24:32 am
it's fun because if he had posted one picture of the character he released or linked properly to the youtube video drewski's reply would not have happenned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on April 28, 2014, 12:24:42 am
Of course the point of a forum is to get the opinion of people through discussion and feedback but you can´t force someone to follow the standard.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 28, 2014, 12:27:18 am
>:C
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty


you cant force someone to get feedback in the same way you cant force them to follow it.
All you can do is make sure that in an effort to bump his own threads back up he isnt unfairly taking away other people's release time.

That sudo gangster group with the grafitti art had a thread up as the first thread on the board for months until we realized they were sending in people to bump it back up whenever any other thread got above theirs.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on April 28, 2014, 12:28:14 am
it's fun because if he had posted one picture of the character he released or linked properly to the youtube video drewski's reply would not have happenned.

I highly doubt that. As he among some others are known for stating the obvious. Still, I don't think it was wrong of him to say it. Reiterating it though was unnecessary, though no big deal either way.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 28, 2014, 12:51:41 am
It's just that with the way it's typed out, it sounded odd.
Hum, it's only odd if you don't know what types of edits there are and why the edit section was even created. It's not a section created for characters that are edited in the sense of Rikard's creations or some Orochi violent Vega SSJ35. It's a section for when you edit someone else's work to add or change stuff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on April 28, 2014, 01:43:18 am
iced your avatars are fucking distracting in serious conversations lmao
dont catshame me.

My meowl is cuter than your cat.

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That sudo gangster group with the grafitti art had a thread up as the first thread on the board for months until we realized they were sending in people to bump it back up whenever any other thread got above theirs.
 

Thats not entirely true.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 28, 2014, 02:20:44 am
sudo gangster group with the grafitti art had a thread up as the first thread on the board for months until we realized they were sending in people to bump it back up whenever any other thread got above theirs.

and MOT's old group is relevant to right now because....?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 28, 2014, 02:55:36 am
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All you can do is make sure that in an effort to bump his own threads back up he isnt unfairly taking away other people's release time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 28, 2014, 03:03:12 am
and MOT's old group is relevant to right now because....?
do you even try to look for context
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on April 29, 2014, 07:33:17 am
Hey, if you guys are looking for another user to put a post limit on, I have a suggestion (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1953164)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on April 29, 2014, 08:06:15 am
Isn't he already on one, or was it deemed too excessive.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on April 29, 2014, 10:46:15 am
Oh shoot, didn't read the staff thread, whoops :(

Now that I'm reading it, though, it makes sense that his last posts have been walls of texts; he's trying to deliver the same bullshit in fewer posts.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on April 29, 2014, 05:02:09 pm
Can I suggest something?? For extreme cases, I think the post limit should be 1-2 post per day, or 6-7 per week, as an ultimate case before a possible ban or something
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on April 29, 2014, 05:12:20 pm
The post limit is mostly for repeat users that are not really breaking rules. They just don't know how to moderate themselves well. And in an effort to protect them from hurting themselves more (getting banned a lot till infinity), we limit the damage they may cause themselves so they may still contribute to the mugen side of the forums.

It should be used rarely. It'd be too easy to abuse otherwise.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 29, 2014, 07:37:36 pm
id like to introduce the 2014 series mfg necrobump response badge

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on May 05, 2014, 02:04:01 pm
One thing, if Yamcha8 is truly Goku6, then he's probably going to start spamming the Development Help with tons of questions that could be resolved with "Read the MUGEN tutorials", and same with PMs. He did the same as Goku6, and I remember that he even managed to annoy Cyanide.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: XGargoyle on May 05, 2014, 03:54:39 pm
I am starting to believe Yamcha8 is actually an 8 years old kid. His previous account was Goku6 and it was created 2 years ago, so he was probably 6 then.



Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on May 06, 2014, 10:26:59 am
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1956590

I talked to him (via PMs) in italian and... well... he asked those silly questions again.
I told him to send me only one PM, he sent me two or three, I told him how to do something, he didn't understand basic stuff and kept asking with two or three PMs when I told him to send me just one; he is just like you see him in the forum, he doesn't understand English that well (and Italian, I told him to send me a PM and he continued to send three PM! I told him to read the docs and he didn't even look at those. Yeah, he is ignorant and acts like a stupid child).
Sometimes it seems he understands but then he starts asking other stupid stuff: the problem is that he doesn't read the docs, thus he will continue asking silly stuff. He doesn't want to learn, he just wants the codes.
If he learnt, he would be able to understand what is an animation, what are some codes, what are the debug keys, how to play a winpose animation when you lose (it's more or less the same code I showed him about in his "life auto loss" topic where he asked another thing, totally unrelated to the topic; he just had to change some numbers), why some things are impossible to do in Mugen etc. .
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on May 06, 2014, 01:53:13 pm
Thank you!  How could I forget YOU speak Italian? 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on May 06, 2014, 02:01:59 pm
Abusing the usage of PMs, double-accounting, lacks overall forum etiquette...
I think a 3 day ban is warranted.

He's either a kid or mentally off in some way, but revoking PMing rights isn't gonna send the message.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on May 06, 2014, 04:28:54 pm
probably  a several years long ban is necessary since it's been hinted that he is like 8-10 years old and the license agreement says you have to be over 13.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on May 06, 2014, 05:32:11 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1956365

Fourth time this user make a request thread, it was adviced before and he's still making them. I already merged them, but I think a global mod or an admin is the right one to make him a warning via PM or something. I made a report already, but I guess would better to be discussed here
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 06, 2014, 06:14:12 pm
i believe the rule needs to be revised. people aren't allowed to make more than one request thread to prevent one user from having like 3 request threads in the first couple pages, taking away space from others in the first pages (because people usually don't look beyond the first page). his last request was five months ago. i don't think there's any harm if he has a new thread

that said it's obvious this guy isn't listening to any warnings so he should be talked to
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on May 06, 2014, 06:36:55 pm
I was never a big fan of having a single thread , if anything it makes some things more confusing, akin to having a single thread in the help forums.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 06, 2014, 06:46:02 pm
it is kind of ridiculous to tell users "no you have to find your old thread in page 12 and bump it instead of making a new one"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on May 06, 2014, 07:33:51 pm
I agree with that. Back when any thread created there automatically merged into 1 thread it was a good rule. In fact you couldn't break it. But now it's really outdated.

I updated that rule
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One Thread per Person on Page 1
Do not create more than 1 request thread if you still have a request thread on the 1st page. In that instance you should bump your old thread with the new material you are requesting.

@Dalek Basara: Now that the rules have changed if that user creates 2 threads on page 1 report him and I'll limit his access to the board.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 06, 2014, 08:45:42 pm
JNP, the guy you're discussing banning at the moment in the warning thread, people aren't pushing for him to be banned just because of stupidity, but because he's disruptive. He's insulting people who try to help him, he's spamming with questions and doesn't bother with the responses, and he spams PMs. That's disruptive, if you think otherwise then I don't know what you'd consider disruptive beside spamming porn and virus links and whatnot. The mods asking for a ban aren't asking to ban stupidity, it's just that in some cases, stupidity means disruptive.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on May 06, 2014, 08:55:12 pm
I know. The worst insult I'd read is calling someone stupid. Granted calling someone that is trying to help you stupid is pretty far worse than most other insults for any other reasons.

We all seem to agree he won't be getting better because he won't listen or learn from feedbacks or mod warnings. I just want to know if we are prepared to remove him from the forums completely because his "stupidity is so disruptive" or if we should just greatly limit him here because he seems like he's just a super young kid or something and not someone doing this on purpose.

If the staff agrees hes too disruptive to worry about limitations then so be it. He can fall into the normal ban extension routine till he's gone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 06, 2014, 08:59:29 pm
I know. The worst insult I'd read is calling someone stupid. Granted calling someone that is trying to help you stupid is pretty far worse than most other insults for any other reasons.
Yes, that. If he's allowed to post questions, and people answer them, only to get called stupid in return, that's really shitty, and I don't think the staff should allow regular users to be exposed to that.

because he seems like he's just a super young kid or something and not someone doing this on purpose.
Well, even if he's "not someone doing it on purpose", if he's a young kid, then he really shouldn't be here, either...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on May 06, 2014, 09:09:25 pm
Just to check, I went to register a new account. Last time I made one for the test account I saw the "I read this and wish to register and am younger than 12 years old"

This time I clicked it. It said users under 12 are not allowed to register. For some reason I remembered it taking you to some consent thing for parents long ago.

So, yes. You are right. Users under 12 are not allowed to register here.  So I guess that convinces me we should just stick with the ban increases.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on May 06, 2014, 09:23:57 pm
I don't think he's that young.  His other account was registered a year ago. Where has he been for the past year and why has he suddenly resurfaced?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on May 06, 2014, 09:25:10 pm
maybe hes a kid whos interest in mugen came back after a year?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on May 06, 2014, 09:28:53 pm
Well it's a catch 22 like that for him though.

If he's a kid he's too young to be here. If he's not a kid then he's too old to be acting the way he's acting.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on May 06, 2014, 09:30:15 pm
@Dalek Basara: Now that the rules have changed if that user creates 2 threads on page 1 report him and I'll limit his access to the board.
Got it ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on May 06, 2014, 09:33:24 pm
I just assume that everyone here is old enough to know what they're doing. Idk if he's been warned yet but if he acts up again, ban.

As far as the request thread stuff, makes sense.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on May 07, 2014, 10:15:41 am
goku6... Go back in dev help a few years. He has obviously simply forgotten his password and made another account when he finally came back after his original ban.

He apparently hasn't changed as he never responded to any of the previous help either and kept asking dumb questions without ever showing that he'd understood or attempted the fix.  He would then PM anyone who responded asking the question again. I forget how long his ban was, Rajaa applied it iirc and it obviously got rid of him for a while.

Just a bit of backstory for you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on May 14, 2014, 05:53:34 am
Jmorphman said:
Alright then, someone who speaks Spanish should go warn him, cause I ain't putting this shit through Google Translate! :P
Guys, you REALLY need a spanish speaker moderator in your staff to deal with this (I mean... Google Translate?? C'mon!!)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 14, 2014, 06:07:12 am
i suggest cyan paul for gmod
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on May 14, 2014, 06:41:14 am
Hey I was the one to do that
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on May 14, 2014, 06:59:54 am
i nominate myself i have about 3 years of high school spanish under my belt. my qualifications should speak for themselves
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on May 15, 2014, 11:47:09 am
Not really feedback to Warnings/Decisions, but a request, can someone update the images in the CvSvC topic in the first post? Chamat uploaded the zip file containing all the images, so something can be done for the broken ones.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 15, 2014, 01:06:10 pm
just a quick warning, the network will be kindof sluggish for a bit. We had heavy traffic last month.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on May 15, 2014, 04:00:42 pm
IT BEGINS!
[avatar]http://i.imgur.com/ohNLvCU.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TrinitroRoy on May 16, 2014, 10:03:15 am
I have only one wish and one wish alone:
PERMABAN TITILN ALREADY!
He is worser than any of the MFG spammers put together, because he is the SOURCE of all those spammers.
If he is gone, then half of the spammers wont be spammers anymore. Including me (since some idiots think I'm a spammer for no reasons).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on May 16, 2014, 10:04:55 am
what spammers?

calm down, don't get banned for anything stupid
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on May 16, 2014, 10:07:14 am
He is worser than any of the MFG spammers put together, because he is the SOURCE of all those spammers.
If he is gone, then half of the spammers wont be spammers anymore. Including me (since some idiots think I'm a spammer for no reasons).
You can't be serious.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 16, 2014, 11:49:25 am
I have only one wish and one wish alone:
PERMABAN TITILN ALREADY!
He is worser than any of the MFG spammers put together, because he is the SOURCE of all those spammers.
If he is gone, then half of the spammers wont be spammers anymore. Including me (since some idiots think I'm a spammer for no reasons).

You just said you were a spammer then said idiots think you are a spammer.

You also sent messages to admins accusing them of having sex with titiln as the reason for you being banned.

You seem to think that titiln "ruined" you when all your posts are either rageful or odd, you are not really thinking in what you are posting, just posting, and titiln is not to blame for that.

He didnt guide your hands down to typing that.  And he didnt make you send pms to people with threats.

This is no way to go through life. Stop blaming your shortcomings on others, please. Just cool down.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on May 16, 2014, 12:33:23 pm
I'm not going to mince words here.

If you fuckin' hate Titiln so much (and hate that people are siding with him), maybe you shouldn't be here anymore. There are other places where you can be a part of the community without carrying the emotional baggage. Not to mention it would let old wounds heal properly. You're not the first one to "have a meltdown" and let emotions get the better of you.

Whatever happened to "taking a break from the guild?" I think that'd be best in your case.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: S.D. on May 16, 2014, 01:02:06 pm
You can't be fucking serious... did he seriously type that? Does he even think twice (Or even once) before clicking the post button? I'm seriously in awe, there's no sugar coating this, jeez.
How old are you again?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 16, 2014, 03:40:43 pm
i broke trinitronity
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on May 16, 2014, 03:42:01 pm

He is worser than any of the MFG spammers put together, because he is the SOURCE of all those spammers.
If he is gone, then half of the spammers wont be spammers anymore. Including me (since some idiots think I'm a spammer for no reasons).


Never change Trinitonity...never change.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on May 16, 2014, 03:46:42 pm
I have only one wish and one wish alone:
PERMABAN TITILN ALREADY!

Maybe we oughta permaban you, you fucking embarrassment. People like you're the reason people lose faith in humanity.

I never thought I'd say this but Uche I want you back.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on May 16, 2014, 03:48:32 pm
that was really.. awfully rude
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on May 16, 2014, 03:50:11 pm
Yeah? well too fucking bad, I've had enough of his shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on May 16, 2014, 03:54:12 pm
should have worded it better, by that i meant that it was just awful.
"lose faith in humanity."
that's trying too hard don't you think? posts like that aren't going to help here, please don't.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on May 16, 2014, 03:55:22 pm
Yeah? well too fucking bad, I've had enough of his shit.

Man, you always get so angry over the most irrelevant shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on May 16, 2014, 03:56:00 pm
Well pardon me for not congratulating him for learning anything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on May 16, 2014, 03:59:22 pm
Nobody is asking anybody else around here to do that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on May 16, 2014, 04:01:09 pm
I'm not about to do it either. I'm sorry but I've hadtoo much faith in the little shithead and he goes and acts like a petulant 5 year old brat refusing to accept any fucking responsibility. I've honestly had enough of his shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on May 16, 2014, 04:02:23 pm
serious question, have you personally dealt with him on a day to day basis?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 16, 2014, 04:03:18 pm
Maybe he did, people get upset when someone they invest time in and effort in end up just repeating the same behaviour over and over again, its part of being frustated.

Just dont let your frustation in leading with him change how you deal with other new persons.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on May 16, 2014, 04:05:25 pm
A fair bit in the past yes

honestly though, idiots like him get on my nerves especially when I actually remember when he used to be pretty fucking harmless up until this.

Maybe he did, people get upset when someone they invest time in and effort in end up just repeating the same behaviour over and over again, its part of being frustated.

Just dont let your frustation in leading with him change how you deal with other new persons.

Thanks, man. I know I shouldn't let it but this is basically making me fairly cagey towards newbies at best (I won't go off on them immediately though, you can bet on that.)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 16, 2014, 04:10:46 pm
trinitronity has been around long enough that "newbie" doesn't apply to him. he's just stupid
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on May 16, 2014, 04:12:56 pm
I'm aware. But yeah I kinda see what Iced's getting at and I'm not gonna let it colour my whole thing about any new users wanting to post about stuff but Trin just really got on my fucking nerves. I honestly thought he was better than that from his past posts but nope, turns out he likes being seen as a spoilt brat.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on May 16, 2014, 04:20:53 pm
I've puked a dozen times since 11 pm last night and yet Trinitronity managed to make a post that makes me feel genuinely disgusted.

Shit, what's wrong with you? We've given you plenty of chances, exhausting every correctional method we could think of, and you've turned into a worse poster.

You should be banned. Jnp's happy-go-lucky-don't permaban-people shit clearly doesn't work with you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 16, 2014, 04:23:31 pm
he is the SOURCE of all those spammers.
He points out the terrible and/or stupid things that people say. People respond to that by insisting that they are right and Titiln is wrong. When it just so happens that Titiln is, in fact, right, then the people who keep arguing that they're right just become spammers.

When someone points out you're wrong and you respond by continuously arguing that you're right, when you are not, then you are a spammer. Titiln's comment doesn't make you a spammer, spamming is what makes you a spammer.
What you need is to recognize when you're wrong and not continuously argue about it. And there's also the option of letting it go when someone says something you think is wrong, even if it's against you, and even if you think you are right. In short, at least chose your battles carefully, it will make it look less like you're just doing the same thing all the time despite being wrong all the time. Actually MAKING SURE that you're right is another possibility. And you're definitely NOT right if you're just shitting on people telling you to Google it. Because that's just what the hell, go fuck yourself.

You're also a spammer when you send PMs to admins and staff members about how they have sex with Titiln.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on May 16, 2014, 04:26:34 pm
You should be banned. Jnp's happy-go-lucky-don't permaban-people shit clearly doesn't work with you.

I agree with this, although its mostly for others that cause more problems than wanted. Honestly, mods, I can see why you don't want to constantly goal out with permabans and such, giving users another chance and all but honestly, in this case, enough is fucking well enough. Forget giving him ten hundred "last chances" and get rid of him. He's a disgrace.

Just applying progressively harder slaps on the wrist won't cut it at all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 16, 2014, 04:29:39 pm
and yet my client, jape lesnar, was instantly banned
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on May 16, 2014, 04:31:30 pm
Your client broke the streak and put me in a concussion the hell did you expect titsbagdigganouchebagtryhardmengo

my apologies
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on May 16, 2014, 04:34:20 pm



You're also a spammer when you send PMs to admins and staff members about how they have sex with Titiln.

I got no such PM.   >:(

For anyone: When you find yourself in a heated argument, try not to let it get to the point where someone gets banned. 

and yet my client, jape lesnar, was instantly banned


lol troll
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on May 16, 2014, 04:39:20 pm
I think the venting's justified. I mean, it is pretty frustrating to see someone post foolish shit over and over and over again. Makes some people want to punch walls. And yeah, I would be all for a message sending 3-6 month ban if he does anything again.

Trinitronity PMed me a few hours ago, the jist of what he said is that he's going to stick to lurking to avoid any further conflict (good move). I'm sure everyone here will be glad about that (myself included). Anger has a way of dropping people's IQ.

He certainly comes across as being dumb and childish, but I think it's more an example of not everyone being cut out for a place like this (where logic and good etiquette is emphasized more than in other places). If he can't handle that, he can either learn better self-presentation (and become a better user) or go somewhere else. All an attempt at juvenile retaliation does is piss everyone off.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 16, 2014, 04:50:47 pm
I am containing myself to not post the lyrics of frozen "let it go" edited to fit the situation.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 16, 2014, 04:58:26 pm
let iced go (back to 4chan) LOL Damn! You've just been pwned!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on May 16, 2014, 05:17:04 pm
When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it go
And in my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it go
let it go, let it go, let it go, let it go
Whisper words of wisdom, let it go

And when the broken hearted people living in the world agree
There will be an answer, let it go
For though they may be parted, there is still a chance that they will see
There will be an answer, let it go
let it go, let it go, let it go, yeah let it go
There will be an answer, let it go
let it go, let it go, let it go, let it go
Whisper words of wisdom, let it go
Yeah let it go, let it go, let it go, let it go
There will be an answer, let it go

let it go, let it go, let it go, let it go
There will be an answer, let it go

And when the night is cloudy there is still a light that shines on me
Shine until tomorrow, let it go
I wake up to the sound of music, Mother Mary comes to me
There will be no sorrow, let it go eeee
let it go, let it go, let it go, yeah, let it go
There will be no sorrow, let it go
let it go, let it go, yeah let it go, yeah, let it go
Whisper words of wisdom, let it go
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 16, 2014, 05:49:21 pm
That is not the right song.,  I am very dissapointed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: S.D. on May 16, 2014, 07:29:31 pm
Trinitronity PMed me a few hours ago, the jist of what he said is that he's going to stick to lurking to avoid any further conflict (good move). I'm sure everyone here will be glad about that (myself included). Anger has a way of dropping people's IQ.
Funny, he PMed me saying that "He really was serious, when he posted that. And he thinked about it twice." (his almost exact wording)
And that "Titiln never would never be banned because of his "special" position" (Even though he hasn't broken any rules, whatever), I don't think he's changing or maturing anytime soon.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 16, 2014, 07:38:12 pm
i don't believe in post limiting because it leads to the user sending annoying private messages. it also leads to situations like these when staff are trying to talk things out with the conflicting user and they can't really reply or have any public dialogue for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 16, 2014, 07:47:33 pm
Apparently anyone posting a comment about it here is receiving a PM (I did as well, twice). Can't let it go and won't know when to stop.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on May 16, 2014, 07:52:14 pm
well it goes without saying but ignore them, he's just attention whoring which I dont get if he wants to leave this place so bad
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on May 16, 2014, 08:03:39 pm
reputable sources state that when titiln was admin he made a secret usergroup called "unbannable" and made himself the sole member so he could secretly control mfg behind the scenes even when he stopped being an admin

so who is the REAL operator of mfg? #askquestions
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on May 16, 2014, 08:09:50 pm
Apparently anyone posting a comment about it here is receiving a PM (I did as well, twice). Can't let it go and won't know when to stop.
I'm feeling very unloved.

 :bigcry:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on May 16, 2014, 08:19:24 pm
reputable sources state that when titiln was admin he made a secret usergroup called "unbannable" and made himself the sole member so he could secretly control mfg behind the scenes even when he stopped being an admin

so who is the REAL operator of mfg? #askquestions
[avatar]http://caddie.smeenet.org/questionavatar.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on May 16, 2014, 08:30:09 pm
Apparently anyone posting a comment about it here is receiving a PM (I did as well, twice). Can't let it go and won't know when to stop.
I'm feeling very unloved.

 :bigcry:
all those rajaa comments againts you come to mind... maybe you should try to being a better mod instead of just slacking off most of the time?...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on May 16, 2014, 08:50:59 pm
^  thank you, I'm feeling better now.

:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on May 16, 2014, 08:53:36 pm
Apparently anyone posting a comment about it here is receiving a PM (I did as well, twice). Can't let it go and won't know when to stop.
I'm feeling very unloved.

 :bigcry:
all those rajaa comments againts you come to mind... maybe you should try to being a better mod instead of just slacking off most of the time?...
uh, those are jokes. i hope you're joking too, cause making baseless accusations and flaunting yourself around like you know what youre talking about is a really good way to look like a total idiot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 16, 2014, 09:02:05 pm
all those rajaa comments againts you come to mind... maybe you should try to being a better mod instead of just slacking off most of the time?...
the "i'm feeling very unloved" comment was about how she didn't get a private message from ttirnotnrity despite having posted in the thread. maybe you should try to read instead of just slacking off most of the time?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on May 16, 2014, 09:32:25 pm
Apparently anyone posting a comment about it here is receiving a PM (I did as well, twice). Can't let it go and won't know when to stop.
I'm feeling very unloved.

 :bigcry:
all those rajaa comments againts you come to mind... maybe you should try to being a better mod instead of just slacking off most of the time?...
uh, those are jokes. i hope you're joking too, cause making baseless accusations and flaunting yourself around like you know what youre talking about is a really good way to look like a total idiot.
I was joking about this too, sort brought that up because rajaa mentined that before either a joke or not it just came to mind, missb most likely won't give a shit if trini writes her or not, but in reality its is true that a user won't go to her as much for help or sugestions as she is not as active as other mods, either way sorry if it sounded too rude, next time a J/K text would be next to a.comment like this
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 16, 2014, 11:00:59 pm
he's just attention whoring
I'm always uncomfortable with using this term to downplay this kind of heated argument. The guy got fed up at something he didn't like and simply lashed out. He's not attention whoring / seeking attention in the sense that he wants people to look at him and argue about it for ten pages, but more in the sense that he wants people to hear and understand the beef he has about what he thinks is unfair and unjust. So saying "why doesn't he just leave" is missing the point, he doesn't just want to get liberated from the perceived injustice, he wants people to recognize that it's unjust.

(obviously said anger is vastly misplaced and fucked up but that's beside the point)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on May 16, 2014, 11:22:39 pm
As much as many people want him banned forever and as much as weve seen him fail expressing himself the wrong way many times wiith dumb comments I don't think he should be banned forever, he's got that "titiln is harrasing symptom", some of us users been throught it before and learned to live with, (im not saying your a bad person titiln, youre just a bit agressive sometimes when judging the way people post and is not a bad thing cause some do learn from that but still some do feel harrased and he hasnt probably passed that stage yet) I IMO totaly understand him, montly bans can be fare so maybe that way hell understand things but I don't think he deserves to be gone forever, he just lost it on that line without knowing how to say it propertly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 16, 2014, 11:31:35 pm
Who has said something about making the ban permanent ? I only see MightyKombat. Who is not staff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zemilia on May 16, 2014, 11:33:24 pm
I just woke up from my sleep, and then I see both the warning, and this:

I have only one wish and one wish alone:
PERMABAN TITILN ALREADY!
He is worser than any of the MFG spammers put together, because he is the SOURCE of all those spammers.
If he is gone, then half of the spammers wont be spammers anymore. Including me (since some idiots think I'm a spammer for no reasons).

And the other post that follows this kind of response.

@Trini ..Ya got 7 days, and just came back to say this... Don't you even learn?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on May 16, 2014, 11:49:13 pm
Who has said something about making the ban permanent ? I only see MightyKombat. Who is not staff.
well not in this particular subject but past posts I guess.... oh well I see their taking care of it at the warnings thread
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on May 17, 2014, 12:21:49 am
I wish I could have replied sooner. I'm sure Trinitronity must think that I really hate him or have it out for him. Trinitronity, that is far from reality. Most users know it's pretty tough to actually get me to dislike-dislike someone. The post limitations, the removal of profile privileges: it was all done in an attempt to prevent you from getting yourself banned again. You are a person that really enjoys this forum. You like to contribute your MUGEN releases, discussions, and to give feedback to characters. I don't want to prevent anyone from enjoying this forum for it's intended purpose. Having fun developing with the program with peers.
To completely lose access to that because of mistakes, poor judgement, getting drunk, or whatever is the worst possible punishment we can give out.

I wish I knew how to help you understand why you are addressed the way you're addressed. Byakko really gave you good feedback. Let things go. Even if you cannot accept that you are wrong you have to be able to judge the temperature you are creating.

I get it, Titiln can and does push the buttons of users that are "bad posters" or whatever that is. Basically if you cannot gauge the temperature well that you are creating he can be a nightmare for you because he's good at keeping you going. It's almost a no win situation at that point. I don't think I've ever seen the technique make anybody actually stop and say "Holy shit. Look at what a mess I have made. This Titiln guy played me right along! Damn, I really need to be more level headed." I don't approve of the way he and a few others aid in these melt down situations. But self moderation puts a lot of responsibility on yourself not to fall into them. And if you do find yourself in the trap to just full stop and back out before you lose it.
Step away from the keyboard. Work on a project. Play a game. Go outside. Whatever, but don't leave the forum and take it with you. When you get older you'll realize how petty it all was. We are all just people, man. I know you're a real dude behind a screen somewhere and that you feel like a truly unjust action has befallen you. And in a way it really has. A part of me wishes there was something I could have done differently. Maybe keeping the limit on your posts and letting you earn more posting privileges by posting well would have been a better incentive. It seems to be working well with Saohc thus far.
I just want you to know that the last thing I want to do to anyone is ban them. I want everyone to be able to at the very least have enough posting rights to post their projects.

When you come back again I truly hope that you can try and take a look at what happened in a different light. If you are losing your cool feel free to PM me before you make post after post. I will try to aid you any way I can to help you understand why something is happening. You know, as long as you can google some stuff every once in a while <--sorry :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zemilia on May 17, 2014, 12:41:02 am
^ A-ma-zing

I need to show him this when he gets back on MFFA (He's usually in the chatroom).. hopefully he takes this well.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on May 17, 2014, 12:55:39 am
I always miss the fun stuff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on May 17, 2014, 01:10:06 am
3 is fine, it worked for the now much less annoying Dan Hibiki guy.
Maybe he'll get over it by then and/or learn to be more tactful (doubt it).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on May 17, 2014, 01:12:23 am
Just ban him for some considerably long time. It´s long overdue at this point.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on May 17, 2014, 01:15:23 am
Take it from someone who had a very bad experience with this back in his high school years, Trini. This is not the way to do it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on May 17, 2014, 01:22:31 am
Reading the content of the PM JNP posted in the warning topic : lol, his PM to me was
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
So apparently,
Quote
But then again, your name is Just no Point, so I guess doing pointless statements is your thing nowadays.
And besides, there was no reason to give me a post limit. You just gave a post limit to me, because you're secretly with Titiln in the bed.
Seriously, why are you even administrator.
So yeah, you can just ban me after that again, but I don't care anymore.
MFG is the worst forum ever, and I don't wanna anything to do with it anymore.
is
Quote
just stating facts.
Now that's just "complete douche" level hypocrisy. This is full denial of responsibility, nothing will be learned out of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on May 17, 2014, 01:31:34 am
I was in the 1 month camp, but now I think 1 month is not enough for him to calm down.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zemilia on May 17, 2014, 01:35:52 am
I've been out for 3 years (A self-exile, actually), but even then idk if a 3 year will do good for him.. And it's quite excessive too. :P

But reading the post Byakko made (not aware if JnP posted that in the warnings thread, but will check later on), now I'm hesitant to show Trini the long post JnP just made.

Edit: Just read it... Urge to hurt him... rising....
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on May 17, 2014, 01:51:00 am
send him to anti-MFG
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on May 17, 2014, 01:53:39 am
that forum's down
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on May 17, 2014, 01:55:35 am
But where else would peterfoster lurk?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on May 17, 2014, 01:57:03 am
Not something that anyone cares... but I know this day would come and it is now. Farewell Trinitronity, see you in a couple of years or in other forum maybe, who knows...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zemilia on May 17, 2014, 01:57:36 am
I bet around $10 if Trini joins either MMV or IMT at this point.

Off-Topic: Who is this Peterfoster? I'm so curious now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Erroratu on May 17, 2014, 02:00:58 am
Off-Topic: Who is this Peterfoster? I'm so curious now.
A guy whos favorite colour is green.
.......
He was also a shit poster and made a anti mfg forum
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on May 17, 2014, 02:01:28 am
he was the prototype for trinoritorimogimon
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on May 17, 2014, 02:01:57 am
I miss him
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Erroratu on May 17, 2014, 02:03:27 am
I bet around $10 if Trini joins either MMV or IMT at this point.
He isn't fucking desperate.
He is not hating on the forum entirely,just certain forum members
Also seems he is stayin at MFFA for the time being

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on May 17, 2014, 02:20:50 am
I would've liked Trin better if he didn't keep pestering me about my Luigi sprites
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on May 17, 2014, 02:22:48 am
only losers like loogi
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Japanese Jesus on May 17, 2014, 03:40:00 am
THAT'S MAMA LUIGI TO YOU
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on May 17, 2014, 03:46:39 am
i don't believe in post limiting because it leads to the user sending annoying private messages. it also leads to situations like these when staff are trying to talk things out with the conflicting user and they can't really reply or have any public dialogue for obvious reasons.
I agree, I'm not sure it's that useful of a tool, and it just seems to make each situation worse.

At the very least, for this specific time, it didn't really help matters and only inflamed Trinitronity further.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on May 17, 2014, 03:53:06 am
That's like 1 person though. That's not a good statistic :P
We've only used it on 2 users and it seems to have helped Saohc a lot. I think there shouldn't have been a set expiration date because Trin was doing well till he got his posting privileges back. I think it might work better to slowly give posting back as rewards for consistent improvement.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on May 17, 2014, 03:53:56 am
That's like 1 person though. That's not a good statistic :P
That's why I said the last sentence!!! >:[
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 17, 2014, 04:00:43 am
i also think this kind of extremely slow approach (10 warnings, posts limited, banned for a day, then three, then a week) is a waste of time for everybody involved, especially the staff who could be addressing other things like my webm suggestion. i've seen several forum suggestions get very little attention because everybody was focusing on shitty poster that can't be salvaged #241
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on May 17, 2014, 04:03:02 am
I dunno, it seems like most of the suggestions are things only Valodim can do.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on May 17, 2014, 04:03:32 am
i also think this kind of extremely slow approach (10 warnings, posts limited, banned for a day, then three, then a week) is a waste of time for everybody involved, especially the staff who could be addressing other things like my webm suggestion. i've seen several forum suggestions get very little attention because everybody was focusing on shitty poster that can't be salvaged #241

That's exactly what I was saying when I was still on the staff and nobody else was listening to me. Maybe now that you said it they'll listen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 17, 2014, 04:09:39 am
I dunno, it seems like most of the suggestions are things only Valodim can do.
it doesn't mean the rest of the staff can't chime in with "oh yeah that's a terrific idea" or "that's a waste of time"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on May 17, 2014, 04:20:58 am
I believe you're overstating how much time is spent modding someone. It didn't take long to deal with Trini here and it was contained to this thread. The worst case was Navana and that was less his doing and more just backlash for allowing him back at all. It rarely lasts over a day anymore which is pretty good considering all the timezones and ppl's jobs/school/lives.

EDIT: I also want to think I have been doing fairly well to try and get most of your suggestions that we think are good to Val. He has implemented several of them. Which is also a much faster turn around than previously.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zemilia on May 25, 2014, 03:12:21 pm
Not to derail or anything, but just a small heads up: If you see me changing appearances for a single day by a lot (in terms of avatar and name), I'm trying to see which one I could go for in a while. (just saying this in case I accidentally "curse" myself)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on May 25, 2014, 07:08:11 pm
um, alright
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jtp768 on May 25, 2014, 09:06:10 pm
Is it my comp or are all the sites(besides the archives) on the front page down?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 25, 2014, 09:19:38 pm
Val is doing some work on the server. Should be back soonish.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 26, 2014, 04:37:36 pm
Ftp work in progress, things gonna be down for a bit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on May 30, 2014, 02:12:53 am
Iced just so you know, that report on Metroker you linked in the warnings thread? If I try to go to the source post my AV (AVG) has a shitfit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 30, 2014, 02:41:50 am
the guild page itself or whatever is linked?
I can clean out whatever was linked if its the second.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on May 30, 2014, 02:48:16 am
When I go to Rednavi's report (linked in the warnings thread), and try to go to the "Zelgadis" post that's linked in it, my AV immediately goes off because of the Krizalid link in the post and says "Threat removed".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 30, 2014, 03:03:56 am
ok i deleted the sendspace link there is no reason for that being there anyway.
thanks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on May 30, 2014, 04:47:06 am
Not quite fixed (see spoiler):
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
This says differently though?: http://www.avgthreatlabs.com/website-safety-reports/domain/mugenguild.com/linkreport/mugenguild.com%252Fforum%252Ftopics%252Fkrizalid-kofm-lvl2-135873.msg1462883.html/?utm_source=TDPU&utm_medium=OS
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on May 30, 2014, 11:05:10 am
Not related to the discussion at hand, but if vyn (http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/vyn-84254) is [V]yn (http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/vyn-15222) their accounts could be merged together.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on May 30, 2014, 03:09:31 pm
done
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Noside on May 30, 2014, 07:22:01 pm
I'm here to justify myself about the Metroker thing, I didn't know that some people from the spanish section had problems with him (still) and thought that they were going to "meh" about him, and the thing turned out serious towards him, didn't expect that reaction, now, I like his characters and stuff but nothing else, like if I had bad intentions in harming people from here or such, maybe I went a bit far having lol conversations with him but that's it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on May 30, 2014, 07:30:56 pm
From the comments made on You Tube it looks as though you asked him to come to Guild with the intent to cause problems. Then when he was banned you laughed about everyone "crying"?

I need to know why you thought it was a good idea to make such statements? Because the intent seems pretty obvious.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Noside on May 30, 2014, 07:39:00 pm
I asked him to come to guild and have a talk with spanish talking people, as stated before I didn't know that some people still had issues with him, but never had the intention to harm, now, I just wanted him to have a talk about his Strider character (wich I like) but before that, people were complainnig about his arrival and went out of hand.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on May 30, 2014, 07:44:58 pm
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p519/Nosidex/captura_zps2b0bf818.png)
According to this you "did it on purpose"

That looks a lot like victory fun.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Noside on May 30, 2014, 07:50:36 pm
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p519/Nosidex/captura_zps2b0bf818.png)
According to this you "did it on purpose"

That looks a lot like victory fun.
That's a spanish line that doesn't exsists and iced put it in english.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on May 30, 2014, 08:46:22 pm
Metroker has been banned from various spanish MUGEN communities and it's the one-shouldn't-be-named in these communities (just like KFM here). There isn't problem with being friend of him, the problem is bring him here, with the risk this guy hasn't changed a bit
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on May 30, 2014, 09:05:56 pm
he said :"por eso lo dije" which means: thats why I said it...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on May 30, 2014, 09:10:48 pm
Since there is risk that Iced mistranslated, what does the intent of Noside's comments look like?

(http://i.imgur.com/p3XX1T7.png)

Does what he say here match up with what he said on the youtube channel? If he's laughing after the fact it's a shitty way to act but not as detrimental. If he asked Metroker to come over with the intent to cause problems with the Spanish user base that is a pretty big deal.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: XGargoyle on May 30, 2014, 09:25:46 pm
Basically, both are making fun of Rednavi whistling to the staff about Metroker and subsequently Iced asking if Noside was involved.

So, I would suggest banning Noside as well. It's clear that they are really enjoying this situation.

If they are tough enough to troll the forum and attempt to infect other users with trojan/hacking scripts, they should learn to deal with the consequences of their acts.

Plus I have no sympathy for kids using Nazi salutes on their usernames (Heil88) thinking it's cool.  Same feelings towards the friends of such Nazi idiots.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on May 30, 2014, 09:26:34 pm

From the same video: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_6aKZrv61Y)
Quote

heil88mugen
 
+Noside Foxhound iced:suck my pene,Dreamslayer:the same.

:laugh:
Idiot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on May 30, 2014, 09:31:00 pm
Hey, he added you too buddy! We'll be sucking pene together now! You better not be greedy!

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on May 30, 2014, 09:35:22 pm
Nah, I'll pass.

I'm becoming a famous person, I'm even getting offences by random people I've never talked to in the internet. :laugh:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on May 30, 2014, 09:57:49 pm
As I said before, SERIOUSLY you guys need some spanish speaker user in your staff to see these things. Let me help you with translation:
(http://i.imgur.com/p3XX1T7.png)
Noside: Now you went too far, Metroker :|
Metroker (heli88mugen): (spanish refrain, literally means "Strange of you don't know the web being a spider too")
M: Do you summon me on Guild?
N: That's right pal, you see all the fun we had haha =3
N: That's why i said it haha
M: Rednavi goes to cry for banning me hahaha lol!
N: Indeed, Iced went to ask about I was involved too haha
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Noside on May 30, 2014, 10:05:49 pm
"Now you went too far, Metroker" What I meant is that the Strider character is good. (to my taste)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on May 30, 2014, 10:09:20 pm
I'm opposed to banning Noside. Apparently these guys go way back, and they were just sharing some comradery general comments on the mess that ensued when Metroker showed up, as opposed to the perception of "They were plotting!"

Again, it's kinda iffy territory to ban Metroker on the grounds that we don't like him mostly over things that he did elsewhere, but it's even worse if you purposefully try misunderstand a comment that was also posted elsewhere. You gotta draw a line here, Noside's comment is harmless and doesn't warrant a ban.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on May 30, 2014, 10:15:48 pm
Yeah, I think that's where I'm at with this now too. It was this line that was really swaying my bias
Quote
N: That's right pal, you see all the fun we had haha =3

But it's not as cut and dry with the original intent as it seemed earlier with the mistranslations.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on May 30, 2014, 10:18:14 pm
As I said before, SERIOUSLY you guys need some spanish speaker user in your staff to see these things. Let me help you with translation:
Is Cyan Paul chopped liver, or what.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on May 30, 2014, 10:23:07 pm
"Now you went too far, Metroker" What I meant is that the Strider character is good. (to my taste)

Did you know he was banned from here 2 years ago?


Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Noside on May 30, 2014, 10:24:21 pm
No, actually just in spanish forums where I used to be.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 30, 2014, 10:26:24 pm
Again, it's kinda iffy territory to ban Metroker on the grounds that we don't like him mostly over things that he did elsewhere, but it's even worse if you purposefully try misunderstand a comment that was also posted elsewhere. You gotta draw a line here, Noside's comment is harmless and doesn't warrant a ban.

Metroker got banned here after trying to infect users wth viruses pretending to be zelgadis, why are you against banning someone attempting to do that?


Also there is no mistranslation the user that translated that text for me is a well known spanish speaker, [E]. I even asked him to translate to make sure of what it said.

Noside seems to be trying to troll the spanish thread and having fun too, celebrating there. After metro got rebanned is when they go

Quote
N: Indeed, Iced went to ask about I was involved too haha

jajajaja


the solution is  clear we must ban the spanish thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on May 30, 2014, 10:28:15 pm
Noside seems to be trying to troll the spanish thread and having fun too, celebrating there. After metro got rebanned is when they go
No, it doesn't look that way (not anymore at least), he kinda apologized.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Noside on May 30, 2014, 10:28:28 pm
When I talked/wrote the last line there, I didn't realize he was banned here already.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 30, 2014, 10:28:52 pm
Noside seems to be trying to troll the spanish thread and having fun too, celebrating there. After metro got rebanned is when they go
No, it doesn't look that way (not anymore at least), he kinda apologized.
do point me to it please :)
I mean it,  just logged back on.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on May 30, 2014, 10:30:35 pm
No, actually just in spanish forums where I used to be.

Do you understand now that he's banned here and shouldnt be here?  Also how and where did you "summon" him?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Noside on May 30, 2014, 10:32:06 pm
No, actually just in spanish forums where I used to be.

Do you understand now that he's banned here and shouldnt be here?  Also how and where did you "summon" him?
Simple, Youtube.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on May 30, 2014, 10:35:45 pm
a private message on youtube? 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 30, 2014, 10:36:37 pm
a private message on youtube?

..huh.. the actual picture i posted? Do you understand what happened?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on May 30, 2014, 10:38:34 pm
Where in that actual picture is Noside saying "come to Guild"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 30, 2014, 10:42:00 pm
fourth message.

asi es viejo, ya ves que divertida nos estamos dando haha


in reply to
me invocaste en guild

you can also see it translated here by [E]
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p519/Nosidex/captura_zps2b0bf818.png)

and xgargoyle also translated it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on May 30, 2014, 10:44:35 pm
Thats not Noside inviting or summoning him to guild.  Thats admitting he did, but it's not the actual summons.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on May 30, 2014, 10:44:40 pm
Noside seems to be trying to troll the spanish thread and having fun too, celebrating there. After metro got rebanned is when they go
No, it doesn't look that way (not anymore at least), he kinda apologized.
do point me to it please :)I mean it,  just logged back on.
Spanish Thread (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/spanish-only-espa%C3%B1ol-solamente-v2-118073.18880.html)
Quote
#18896 Noside: So, it turns out that I am the bad guy here? And that the comments I shared with Metroker are BAD? Oh crap. The fact that I like his chars doesn't have anything to do with the mess that's going on here. YEAH I DESERVER A BAN, I'VE BEEN A BAD BOY!
#18897 walt: With all due respect, you're a moron-dummy Noside.
#18898 Noside: Ah I see, oh well. [EDIT] According to Iced, I said this. "I did it on purpose."
*** At this point he's complaining about his message being misconstrued.
Spoiler: This is what the YT conversation actually means (click to see content)

#18899 Rednavi: You messed up your reputation by being a moron these last few days, but that doesn't warrant a ban.
#18900 Noside: I guess I was out of line, but to avoid creating a bigger mess and stuff, let's just let it die out ("I won't defend Metroker any further")


18900 is the kind of apology
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 30, 2014, 10:51:40 pm
Thats not Noside inviting or summoning him to guild.  Thats admitting he did, but it's not the actual summons.

i still dont see how this is important whatsoever considering thats not doubted at any point but here

Quote
Invite a mi cuate Metroker, a ver si viene. =3

Walt, I see, thanks for the translation. I will let the others chime in.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on May 30, 2014, 10:54:59 pm
To be fair, Noside showed up and started interacting with the spanish speakers fairly recently.

I remember NiO was one of Metroker's victims a long time ago, and Noside showed up way after that, so there's a fairly good chance he was unaware of his bad reputation here, since he's mostly clueless about MFG's history and customs most of the time, from what I've seen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on May 30, 2014, 10:57:04 pm
Thats not Noside inviting or summoning him to guild.  Thats admitting he did, but it's not the actual summons.

i still dont see how this is important whatsoever considering thats not doubted at any point but here




It's important.

Should I delete the zip file link  koffuneral posted 6 weeks ago?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on May 31, 2014, 12:52:52 am
To be fair, Noside showed up and started interacting with the spanish speakers fairly recently.

I remember NiO was one of Metroker's victims a long time ago, and Noside showed up way after that, so there's a fairly good chance he was unaware of his bad reputation here, since he's mostly clueless about MFG's history and customs most of the time, from what I've seen.

The weird part is that he brought him here to begin with. They're both from the same country and with the same hobby, and both know about this site and most likely mentioned it at least once during some of their conversations. Do you really think you would need to "bring" your friend here considering that he already knows about this place and needs nobody to bring him here at all?

Shouldn't Noside wonder even for a second why isn't metroker an active user around here to begin with? It's pretty obvious that there's a reason behind why he isn't an active member in this place, and metroker's fame is known across most of the mugen sites Noside uses/used to visit. There's  no way for him to not to know that people had an issue with him, as minor as it would be.

Why even announcing his return if he didn't know that metroker was a known person around here? Why don't just let metroker himself come back without any sort of intro? This whole intro thing is the kind of shit metroker is known for, he just wants the damn attention be it good or bad, and for some reason Noside helped him getting that.

Bringing him here was literally asking for trouble, even if he thought we had a minor grudge against him. And the more we told Noside about him when he brought him back to the forum, the deeper he went until shit hit the fan for real.



Spoiler: This is what the YT conversation actually means (click to see content)
"Now you went too far, Metroker" What I meant is that the Strider character is good. (to my taste)

This is something that changes the entire discussion a lot. The very first line from that spoiler walt posted is not even related to the entire discussion we're having here, which makes the entire quote even less... pleasant should I say.

It directly nulls any kind of positive point of view I can have about it. Rather than telling metroker that he's crossing the line (With the shit he's done) and later tell him "that's why I said it" because of that, he was just talking about the Strider edit and mocking us in the process (Not that I care but at least don't do the same in the Spanish Thread when you're told what the guy's done to us in the last years).



Where in that actual picture is Noside saying "come to Guild"

In the Spanish thread itself:

Invite a mi cuate Metroker, a ver si viene. =3

It says that he invited him to the forum. Happy?



As I said before, SERIOUSLY you guys need some spanish speaker user in your staff to see these things. Let me help you with translation:
Is Cyan Paul chopped liver, or what.

He's too busy doing sexually tasteless jokes around the forum to care about this :V
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 04, 2014, 12:43:27 am
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1969816
What is the point of this

The "Close at 1000 pages" thing was a screenshots thread only thing

God dammit Basara that does not apply to every thread!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on June 04, 2014, 12:51:01 am
What exactly is the problem there?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 04, 2014, 01:01:35 am
that basara locked a thread for no apparent reason
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on June 04, 2014, 01:04:32 am
I guess it could interfere with a few questions, perhaps it should be unlocked for a bit or something while the new thread takes on it's requests or whatever?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 04, 2014, 01:06:06 am
replacing threads at 1000 pages makes sense when it's threads that don't have a lot of consequence, like the random topic or mugen screenshots. this is different and doesn't need replacing. the decision should be reverted
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on June 04, 2014, 01:08:16 am
people searching for something can search through that thread to find what they want. I dont see a lot of reasons to cut it out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 04, 2014, 01:22:46 am
...but having it in two separate threads is probably going to get messy down the road.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on June 04, 2014, 01:37:35 am
I don't really get the whole "tradition" of locking the long threads anyway. I think it's not exactly something that needs to be debated. Since there are users that find the thread locking an issue with this thread I'd say just unlock it. There are no real pros to locking it while there seem to be cons to some users by locking.

Executive decision, I'll unlock it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on June 04, 2014, 01:54:48 am
I'm beginning to question Basara's modding capabilities with his behavior as of late, but there's not really enough to really do anything with. I suppose I'm just voicing my concern is all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 04, 2014, 01:56:21 am
kind of useless to say without examples
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on June 04, 2014, 02:00:50 am
Let's see here... Ignoring people constantly saying that there is a Spanish speaking user in the staff...
Guys, you REALLY need a spanish speaker moderator in your staff to deal with this (I mean... Google Translate?? C'mon!!)
i suggest cyan paul for gmod
As I said before, SERIOUSLY you guys need some spanish speaker user in your staff to see these things. Let me help you with translation:
Is Cyan Paul chopped liver, or what.
Combined with his pointless locking of the feedback to warnings thread.

As I said, it's not too much to go on. It's still something.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on June 04, 2014, 02:06:31 am
Locking the thread was an easy mistake because he was following tradition. The worst he does is ask for pretty strict punishments for users at times but that doesn't affect his request modding.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 04, 2014, 02:10:08 am
yeah his posts are questionable every now and then but i don't see how that gets in the way of request forum moderation
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on June 04, 2014, 02:25:47 am
...but having it in two separate threads is probably going to get messy down the road.

I see i was confusing, i was advocating not locking them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on June 04, 2014, 02:35:19 am
I don't get why we close long threads, either.

Is Cyan Paul chopped liver, or what.
I am.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on June 04, 2014, 02:44:52 am
Wow, I didn't know this was an issue really. A lot of large threads are locked at 1000 and then make new ones, like in International subforum threads or like in Screenshots and Random threads. As JNP said, I made it by a tradition of the forum, as a "implicit rule" like I said in the "does...?" V2, not that I made it to bother people or something as some of here can think. If you're making trouble by this and this isn't considerated neccesary, I can reconsider it and unlock the original thread + merging the new one with the old one, all of this speech is not necessary since there're more important things to see here than my case, IMO

Let's see here... Ignoring people constantly saying that there is a Spanish speaking user in the staff...
Cyan wasn't working on these cases and I see no one else was doing something to help in this language (and use Google Translate or any other website having a lot of spanish speakers is a shame). And I feel sad you question my decisions in the Requests subforum, I didn't ask to be moderator, just I wanted to help to this subforum and in general to the forum, nothing else

EDIT: Oh, already was done, Ok...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on June 04, 2014, 02:54:23 am
QUIT CALLING ME ICED!!!11  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on June 04, 2014, 02:58:38 am
Sorry sorry :XD:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on June 04, 2014, 03:43:56 am
pretty sure i already said i used spanish talking members to make sure that what i understood was right,  I even pointed out [E]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on June 04, 2014, 04:39:51 am
onto more pressing issues im off work and hungry should i get a mcdouble or mcchicken
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on June 04, 2014, 04:45:42 am
Ugh, McDonald's is the worst...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on June 04, 2014, 04:46:55 am
You should be a man and get dat hot n' spicy yo
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on June 04, 2014, 05:43:55 am
Ugh, McDonald's is the worst...
you talking shit bout my homies man?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on June 04, 2014, 05:56:59 am
McDonald´s is the worst. Can confirm.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on June 04, 2014, 06:10:58 am
onto more pressing issues im off work and hungry should i get a mcdouble or mcchicken

the one that tastes more like cock.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: XGargoyle on June 04, 2014, 08:36:31 am
What? Basara is a mod? Since when? :muh:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 04, 2014, 08:44:32 am
request board moderator
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on June 04, 2014, 05:29:35 pm
And in my AGP subforum, of course :jester:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 04, 2014, 06:07:11 pm
i'll keep replying to this report (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/requests-general-rules-you-must-read-these-request-159931.msg1969959.html#new) in this thread since it concerns all of the request board anyway and i don't want to keep replying through reports.

your last post in the request rules thread is problematic. you don't need an administrator to tell you why, you should realize this by yourself. it's quoting a rule that was heavily revised, it's long winded and it's difficult to read. none of these things are convenient for a rules thread. the longer and needlessly wordy you make rules threads, the less likely it is that someone's going to read through all of it. you could easily delete your post and edit the first rule to add "Should you make more than one thread in page 1, your threads will be merged."

"if that new request is about a non-existing character, will be merged to "Does this thing exist?" thread without any advice" makes no sense. if you know for a fact that the character doesn't exist, why would you throw the post in a different thread for someone else to say "no, that character doesn't exist" instead of just telling the user right then and there, in their own thread, that said character doesn't exist? this would be more convenient for everybody. the moderator doesn't have to split and merge a post (which takes longer than typing "that character doesn't exist"), the user doesn't have to wonder what the fuck happened to their post.

a good part of the first post needs to be rewritten. it's working on the basis that users cannot make more than one thread because of the forum mod that was around that time but was lost in the forum upgrade. the threat of "locking your thread" doesn't really mean as much now. a locked thread back then meant you were pretty much banned from requesting. now the threat makes no sense.

goh's posts can easily be added into first post about the rules. users shouldn't need to read multiple posts to realize a rule was slightly revised
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on June 04, 2014, 06:11:04 pm
I'm busy counting ticks for hit values! Basara, listen to this feedback. If you have questions on how to better word some rules feel free to ask here. I'm sure you'll be helped.

obligatory smiley in case this post is read with a demanding or "mean" voice

=)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on June 04, 2014, 08:12:38 pm
OK, you're right Ic--JNP :P I should consult you guys about these things here instead just doing it by myself, sorry about that :( next time I'll ask for help about this kind of things

About the report, yes, the rules should be rewritten. As I said before in the report, the final post by me was made about the "one request thread per user" rule, since in the time I joined as moderator, the board was full of threads of various users who made new threads everytime they want a new request and the board was saturated, it was not just about the Creators Database Thread abandoned, the reason why I became moderator in a beginning.

Explained that, you're right Titiln, the rules are just put without an order and they confuse the users, not just the last thing I remarked in that last post. So, my plan is to remake the whole rules and rewrite them to be clearer for all users, and obviously first I'll post here so you guys tell me if I'm doing the right thing or not so everyone can help with this ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on July 11, 2014, 11:52:38 am
R.I.P Maverick.

I knew it would have been just a matter of time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on July 11, 2014, 01:42:49 pm
See you in a year or so
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on July 11, 2014, 02:09:22 pm
Maverik was brought back on a very short leash. It was made clear in the thread announcing his return that any slip-up would lead to a perma-ban. He did not deserve a warning. He called a Global Mod an idiot without provocation and went right back to posting huge, condescending walls of text, and then called that same mod stupid for not agreeing with him. This shouldn't even be a discussion.

Add to that clear ban evasion in the thread in question.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on July 11, 2014, 02:22:50 pm
The ban evasion isn't very relevant, it's only a problem when they try to pass for a different person and keep posting to circumvent the ban, or if they keep doing it over and again like "oh I'm so good I can use proxies and I can create an infinite number of mail account to keep registering it's impossible to ban me I must be a god". This was just for "one last response" addressing the ban. Apparently he even deleted that new account right after, leaving an orphaned post.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on July 11, 2014, 06:18:30 pm
I expected him to blow up in the World Cup thread, not in a shitty thread like the one b_________ made :|
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on July 11, 2014, 07:28:45 pm
So it was banned just for ranting again?? Oh, I thought it was because he created the B____etc account and dropped the bomb to troll the forum, but I was wrong then :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 11, 2014, 07:30:41 pm
I disagree with teh permaban, a 3months- one year ban should suffice;he got started but did not really go all the way, either because he got banned before so or because he did not intend to.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on July 11, 2014, 07:38:50 pm
3,6,9,12 months, a permaban..what does it matter anyway.

If he wants he has a new account today, tomorrow or next week.

And if he behaves nicely again under that new account he will get another official chance again.

If people are doing the same mistakes again and again, why should they get more chances? Does this community need this kind of people? Its not like he can't release or show his creations on a ton of other places as well.

I got banned here for 6 months and did not use an alt account. I did some stupid dick moves back than, learned my lesson, accepted the ban and since than I never returned to trolling or even calling Iced to shut up etc again. If others can't behave normal after they got banned multiple times already, out with them forever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on July 11, 2014, 08:21:54 pm
he got started but did not really go all the way
He doesn't get a gold star just because he insulted people less than he did the last time he was permabanned. He didn't go "all the way" but he went far enough.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on July 11, 2014, 08:30:52 pm
I disagree with teh permaban, a 3months- one year ban should suffice;he got started but did not really go all the way, either because he got banned before so or because he did not intend to.
He didnt go all the way? idk about that man, he seemed really intent on deriding and humiliating me for whatever reason. He insulted me calling me an idiot and stupid repeatedly, said I must be from another planet, and put into question my academic career because I was trying to debate a statement in another users post. What else should he have said to me that would indicate he was going all the way?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on July 11, 2014, 08:39:47 pm
I disagree with teh permaban, a 3months- one year ban should suffice;he got started but did not really go all the way, either because he got banned before so or because he did not intend to.

IDK the guy, but from what I read with Rajaa's reason for banning him, he was banned before he had the chance to "go all the way". I've read a few things about how he was given another chance and the staff telling him that they weren't going to give him any leeway. He did in fact disregard that warning with his responses to Umezono. He could have just let it go. Even if it wasn't extremely profane or anything, he still carried on with an issue that didn't warrant it. I'm going to assume he knew the conditions of his allowance back into the forum. He could have easily just left the thread or even logged out and went away. You don't HAVE to respond to something. You don't have to go out of your way to prove a point. Especially one that's moot to begin with. He knew the stakes.

3,6,9,12 months, a permaban..what does it matter anyway.

If he wants he has a new account today, tomorrow or next week.

And if he behaves nicely again under that new account he will get another official chance again.

If people are doing the same mistakes again and again, why should they get more chances? Does this community need this kind of people? Its not like he can't release or show his creations on a ton of other places as well.

I got banned here for 6 months and did not use an alt account. I did some stupid dick moves back than, learned my lesson, accepted the ban and since than I never returned to trolling or even calling Iced to shut up etc again. If others can't behave normal after they got banned multiple times already, out with them forever.

I agree with this as well. Very well put sir. MFG isn't the only forum, it's not that serious. If a user believes it to be that serious, then they should be inclined to follow the rules of the forum. It's not hard. If you can't abide by those rules, then you just have to seek refuge else where. It is what it is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on July 11, 2014, 09:21:08 pm
Oh, I thought it was because he created the B____etc account and dropped the bomb to troll the forum, but I was wrong then :-\
How could you possibly think of that? There isn't any clue that should give you that idea.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on July 11, 2014, 10:11:37 pm
I noticed that B_________________ was banned by MissB.

I guess we now know that it was a troll account.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on July 11, 2014, 10:15:13 pm
How could you possibly think of that? There isn't any clue that should give you that idea.
Just suppositions and nothing more. But at least I was right about he just dropped the troll bomb in the field. If is not LM, then other possible banned user who made an alt. account here, IMO
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 11, 2014, 11:52:28 pm
so uh is Maverik gonna be unbanned cause that was kind of an overreacting imo that was just a debate granted it was insulting but was it bad enough to ban the guy over?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 11, 2014, 11:55:21 pm
He was on probation, so yeah.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 11, 2014, 11:57:37 pm
I think he deserved to be temp banned at the very most not perma he clearly hasn't been acting like this the whole time hes been back. The ban was way way to fast. I say unban him with his tight leash. He got a bit insulting but really I don't think what he said warrants a PERMA ban even given his old circumstances. He hasn't acted like that for awhile.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 11, 2014, 11:58:50 pm
idc if he was on probation I think this was a bit to fast to jump the gun so to speak he hasn't acted like this for awhile so I think it warrants a slight bit of leniency.  Also I started talking about this in warnings so we can stop here if you want.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on July 12, 2014, 12:03:50 am
I disagree with teh permaban, a 3months- one year ban should suffice;he got started but did not really go all the way, either because he got banned before so or because he did not intend to.
He didnt go all the way? idk about that man, he seemed really intent on deriding and humiliating me for whatever reason. He insulted me calling me an idiot and stupid repeatedly, said I must be from another planet, and put into question my academic career because I was trying to debate a statement in another users post. What else should he have said to me that would indicate he was going all the way?

He didn't say you were jacked into the matrix.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 12, 2014, 12:04:54 am
@ume You didn't get his point he was trying to make I could even see what he was talking about he went overboard on how he handled it but I got his point you completely missed what he was saying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on July 12, 2014, 12:07:03 am
I don't think you understand the concept of probation.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 12, 2014, 12:08:37 am
I do I just think its been long enough that hes shown hes not here just to cause problems.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on July 12, 2014, 12:08:52 am
The point he was making is not the point. His point is irrelevant, it doesn't matter what he was trying to say (not to mention that he was wrong).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 12, 2014, 12:11:55 am
it was his opinion and yes I know I just don't think this was handled correctly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on July 12, 2014, 12:12:14 am
I do I just think its been long enough that hes shown hes not here just to cause problems.
But he still flies off the handle for stupid shit like this and he starts insulting people who disagree with him. It doesn't matter how long it took before he did that. Do understand the big idea behind "one false step and you're out". He made a false step, he's out, regardless of time. Insulting people just because they disagree is a false step.
Do understand the context and stop looking at this individual occurrence like it's a one time thing.

The REAL point of this is that this is still the kind of things he does. Insulting people who disagree. In the same way he did in the past, the first time he got permabanned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on July 12, 2014, 12:14:23 am
It may not have been handled the best possible way, but it would have ended the exact same way no matter how you try to sugarcoat it or play devil's advocate because you understand what he meant this one time. He already did disregard a couple of mods telling him to calm down and he was already insulting people for disagreeing. He wouldn't have stopped just by being asked to. And that thread didn't need to go on for 10 more pages of insults.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 12, 2014, 12:16:52 am
it does matter cause anyone can fuck up at times I was there for his past and this was nothing like that I Don't think he should of been banned just for this not perma at least give him a temp ban like a week or something hell even a month would be preferable but not a permanent ban.  its ridiculous how this particular instance was handled even in the staff area no discussion was made or anything which I think should always be done. PS can a mod merge this with warnings plz up to the part I mentioned the ban. I should of never made this  topic here that was my bad.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 12, 2014, 12:19:07 am
I don't think it would of. I do think hes changed to a point. he wasn't being "jack the shitter" he was just arguing cause he was annoyed. Sure ban him but not permanently. also we dont need to have this same discussion in 2 places that  was my bad posting in the first place over there about this -_-.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 12, 2014, 12:21:34 am
Yeah, he was told to calm down and kept going on with it even worse after that. The only thing that was handled off was the surprise ban that none of the staff knew about.
My knee jerk reaction was that it shouldn't have happened either. Had I not told him to calm down  I would probably be fighting for him to have another chance a lot more.

Most of the staff seem to agree the only thing really handled improperly was the instant shock ban. But it probably would have ended up the same during discussion anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 12, 2014, 12:24:05 am
I am put off about how the whole thing was handled and believe he should be allowed with a very tight leash after a temp ban of some kind. Dunno about you but the fact remains he has not done this in a long time and i think we hit a nerve or something with that topic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on July 12, 2014, 12:28:27 am
he should be allowed with a very tight leash
You mean the exact same tight leash he already was on at the time he started pissing insults at someone for just disagreeing with him ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on July 12, 2014, 12:29:45 am
No you see we need to pretend the last few years didn't happen to get into peeps good books because hey why not i mean it snot like we'll be doomed to repeat that shit again if we ignore it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Handmaiden of the Seascape on July 12, 2014, 12:33:28 am
My two cents.

I won't deny Maverik was insulting Umezono (whichever didn't understand the other person's points now goes to the toilet because Maverik was pretty much trolled by siding with a blatant troll unwillingly), but the sudden insta ban was uncalled for.

Warning or a short term ban would have been more proper here. That insta ban seems too excessive for me and uncalled for.

I'm seriously questioning Rajaa's decision for this perma ban, regardless Maverik did deserve a warning or a short term ban at worst. Maverik became a scapegoat for a troll's own fun, and you guys fell for it.

If you can't use your own judgment to research first and judge later, then, don't take such sudden actions. It questions your ability to mod a forum badly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on July 12, 2014, 12:39:55 am
he should be allowed with a very tight leash
You mean the exact same tight leash he already was on at the time he started pissing insults at someone for just disagreeing with him ?

Yes. You seem to be missing the point that he was already in the "red" zone. Just because he didn't start cursing and typing in all caps, or w/e it is he's known for doing, doesn't make what he did do not warrant his ban. He KNEW what the conditions and stakes were. 5-7 months isn't a long time at all imo. I have nothing against or for the guy. Same with Umezono. My take on the matter is completely unbiased and from a outside look on the endeavor. Umezono said/did nothing to warrant him being insulted. Aside from disagreeing with what LM had said. That's the bottom line. Maybe it did come on suddenly, but those were the conditions he came back under.

If anything, I see it as Rajaa handled the situation before it escalated to a point where profanity and hollering would have ensued. If someone was already permabanned, though managed to get back in somehow, the last thing they should be doing is starting petty arguments and insulting people for disagreeing with them. You're looking at it as he didn't say as much as you'd might expect him to. Regardless, whether he called Umezono worst or not doesn't matter. What matters is that he stepped out of bounds either way it goes. If things don't get enforced, no one will respect the rules laid out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 12, 2014, 12:45:29 am
Laharl and Kyoudou Senna, let me quote what probation implies.
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WHAT HAPPENS IF I DON’T FOLLOW THE RULES OF MY PROBATION?

Not taking probation seriously is a huge mistake. The point of probation is making sure that the public is safe – if someone disregards an aspect of their probation, then the public may not be as safe as possible. When somebody breaks the rules of their probation, they have to go in front of the judge again. Ultimately, the person can be sent to prison or jail for breaking probation.

The point of probation is taking the past into account. No warning was needed for the permaban. Maverik was well aware of the rules, but chose not to follow them, it's his fault.
Umezono was kind enough not to ban him after he was called an idiot for the first time. If anything, I would have banned him after his second post containing an insult.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 12, 2014, 12:47:06 am
that "Jail" isnt permanent though most of the time now is it? assuming its not murder related.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on July 12, 2014, 12:47:49 am
That insta ban seems too excessive for me and uncalled for.
Just because you think it is, doesn't mean it actually is, and it doesn't put a bad light on whoever took the decision. And you're wrong.

It was going to happen, and anything else would only have resulted in the exact same thing happening again later down the line. You wanted a shorter ban ? Congratulation, this is happening again 7 months from now. He gets yet another tight leash to add to his collection ? 5 more months and we're all right back on the exact same spot.

It's positively terrible that people go in circles so much, so often, so easily. When does it just not happen and when does everyone else get a chance to go 7 months without this happening again ? Is it okay as long as we can still just ban him knowing he's on a tight leash ? Then that's just never going to be okay for everyone else.

that "Jail" isnt permanent though most of the time now is it? assuming its not murder related.
This isn't jail. He's free to go elsewhere. We don't HAVE to put up with the same thing every few months just because he can't stop showering people with insults for no good reason. Just let him go somewhere else.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 12, 2014, 12:53:50 am
Why is everyone saying he wasn't warned? I specifically told him to calm down and he escalated as soon as Umezono posted again.

He disregarded what I told him. I specifically told him that because he was getting out of line. He kept on going with it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on July 12, 2014, 12:55:53 am
Because, to be honest, its as if we've almost gotten used to the "idea" of problem users getting a lot of "last chances" and doing this sort of thing. Bit of a circle really.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 12, 2014, 12:56:31 am
@ume You didn't get his point he was trying to make I could even see what he was talking about he went overboard on how he handled it but I got his point you completely missed what he was saying.
We all understood the point MAVERIK was making. Most of us just happened to disagree with it, because it is a pretty big stretch. No one deserves to get insulted so much simply for disagreeing on something, especially for something as inconsequential as the meaning of someone else's post.

I won't deny Maverik was insulting Umezono (whichever didn't understand the other person's points now goes to the toilet because Maverik was pretty much trolled by siding with a blatant troll unwillingly), but the sudden insta ban was uncalled for.

Warning or a short term ban would have been more proper here. That insta ban seems too excessive for me and uncalled for.

I'm seriously questioning Rajaa's decision for this perma ban, regardless Maverik did deserve a warning or a short term ban at worst. Maverik became a scapegoat for a troll's own fun, and you guys fell for it.

If you can't use your own judgment to research first and judge later, then, don't take such sudden actions. It questions your ability to mod a forum badly.
Again, MAVERIK is a special case. He was on probation, and he failed the terms of that.

I noticed that B_________________ was banned by MissB.

I guess we now know that it was a troll account.
Boy, if you keep saying it, I'm sure it will become true!!!

Because, to be honest, its as if we've almost gotten used to the "idea" of problem users getting a lot of "last chances" and doing this sort of thing. Bit of a circle really.
So what if they do? It hasn't really become a giant issue. People like MAVERIK and Navana were given chances and they were watched closely. Even if they eventually failed, that shouldn't mean we should never give anyone another chance ever, otherwise why not just use permabans for everything?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Handmaiden of the Seascape on July 12, 2014, 01:00:08 am
I'm aware of the fact he was put onto probation, and yes, he did deserve some sort of punishment, Cybaster.

What I don't agree here with, and that's what irks me, its using the past card for the perma ban (a short term ban would have been more fitting here) when all the people who posted in the topic, including Umezono and Maverik were all FOOLED by the op, and Maverik ended being the scapegoat (again, I won't deny Maverik was stupid for insulting Umezono, but Umezono who had more valid reasons to punish Maverik didn't do it and instead had a better judgment (I want to believe he decided to discuss this with the rest of the staff before taking sudden actions)).

Understand I'm not justifying his past. But being permanently banned because of the past and for being a scapegoat for a troll's own fun, that seems unnecessary and kinda abusive from Rajaa.

Sorry, Cybaster, but I can't agree with choice taken here. He's not innocent, but, he was fooled by a troll who got what he wanted in the end.


That insta ban seems too excessive for me and uncalled for.
Just because you think it is, doesn't mean it actually is, and it doesn't put a bad light on whoever took the decision. And you're wrong.

It was going to happen, and anything else would only have resulted in the exact same thing happening again later down the line. You wanted a shorter ban ? Congratulation, this is happening again 7 months from now. He gets yet another tight leash to add to his collection ? 5 more months and we're all right back on the exact same spot.

It's positively terrible that people go in circles so much, so often, so easily. When does it just not happen and when does everyone else get a chance to go 7 months without this happening again ? Is it okay as long as we can still just ban him knowing he's on a tight leash ? Then that's just never going to be okay for everyone else.

What he does after that and what he did in the past is not of my interest. I'm only focused on what's happening NOW.

So, if someone's fool for falling to a troll's tactic deserves to be banned permanently for that? That's a flawed logic, you know?

Besides, from what I see you just quoted for me, you didn't seem to bother to read the rest of my statement on why I consider this permaban undeserving.

Again, MAVERIK is a special case. He was on probation, and he failed the terms of that.

I'm not denying he deserved some punishment for insulting Umezono. But I believe this could have been handled better due to the circumstances.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on July 12, 2014, 01:01:27 am
Why is everyone saying he wasn't warned? I specifically told him to calm down and he escalated as soon as Umezono posted again.

He disregarded what I told him. I specifically told him that because he was getting out of line. He kept on going with it.

Because they see it as he ONLY called Umezono an idiot. They also overlooked your post saying that you had warned him. Despite his already "red" zone condition. They see it as him calling Umezono that harmless, as he could have done much worst. Yes, he could have said worst. Though why give him the chance to do so? Also, if you're wrong, you're wrong. Whether it was in a "blaze of glory", or just a seemingly "harmless" insult, it's still wrong.

This isn't jail. He's free to go elsewhere. We don't HAVE to put up with the same thing every few months just because he can't stop showering people with insults for no good reason. Just let him go somewhere else.

^Couldn't have said it better myself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on July 12, 2014, 01:06:01 am
So, if someone's fool for falling to a troll's tactic deserves to be banned permanently for that? That's a flawed logic, you know?
... What you say has absolutely nothing to do with anything that happened. He didn't fall for a troll, and he didn't get banned for siding with a troll. Don't say he's a victim of someone else, don't say he was fooled, and don't say it's why he was banned.

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Besides, from what I see you just quoted for me, you didn't seem to bother to read the rest of my statement on why I consider this permaban undeserving.
That's a baseless thing to say. Just because I quote only one sentence of your post, doesn't mean I didn't read the rest. It means I'm summing it up and I don't want to quote the entirety of your post. Not to mention that the rest of your post didn't actually shed any light on that particular line I quoted, you're just questioning Rajaa's judgement and his position as a mod. Well, aside from your belief that Maverik fell for a troll, but that's just plain wrong. So like I said, just because it's what you think, doesn't mean it's true, and also, you're wrong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Handmaiden of the Seascape on July 12, 2014, 01:19:48 am
So, if someone's fool for falling to a troll's tactic deserves to be banned permanently for that? That's a flawed logic, you know?
... What you say has absolutely nothing to do with anything that happened. He didn't fall for a troll, and he didn't get banned for siding with a troll. Don't say he's a victim of someone else, don't say he was fooled, and don't say it's why he was banned.

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Besides, from what I see you just quoted for me, you didn't seem to bother to read the rest of my statement on why I consider this permaban undeserving.
That's a baseless thing to say. Just because I quote only one sentence of your post, doesn't mean I didn't read the rest. It means I'm summing it up and I don't want to quote the entirety of your post. Not to mention that the rest of your post didn't actually shed any light on that particular line I quoted, you're just questioning Rajaa's judgement and his position as a mod. Well, aside from your belief that Maverik fell for a troll, but that's just plain wrong. So like I said, just because it's what you think, doesn't mean it's true, and also, you're wrong.

Then, if he didn't fall for a troll, why did he agree with the op? For me this was mostly blame of the op for starting with the topic under the blanket of making it an innocent question. He was a troll since the beginning. Period.

I understand he deserved some punishment for insulting Umezono just because he didn't agree with his decision, but I'm seeing this going too far because of you guys using the past excuse. I'll say it again, since you don't seem to get it. I'm not interested on what happened in the past. I'm interested on what happened now, and I still feel he was an unwitting scapegoat for a troll's own fun. If you don't want to understand and keep yourself being close minded and stick to the fact he deserves to be banned for life, then, by all means.

However, don't get me wrong, I don't intend for him to be unbanned just like that (he has his own blame for insulting to begin with), but I think the ban should be of shorter length.

I'm questioning Rajaa's decision for banning him THIS TIME. Whatever he did in the past might be worth of being banned, but here, outside the fact he was warned already for insulting Umezono and getting insta ban, seems going too far.

For me, Maverik deserved a lesser punishment.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on July 12, 2014, 01:28:35 am
Then, if he didn't fall for a troll, why did he agree with the op?
His ban has nothing to do with who he was agreeing with. He was banned because he gushed insults at someone just because he didn't agree. It's completely irrelevant that this happened in a particular topic, which may or may not happen to be a troll. It doesn't matter if it was a troll, and it doesn't matter that LM was agreeing with him or not. He was banned for the insults.
You're starting from calling the topic a troll, you say Mav "fell for it", and you act like it's relevant. But it's not. It has nothing to do with the fact that Mav started insulting someone for disagreeing with him, and it has nothing to do with the ban that followed those insults. It just happens to be the particular topic where it took place. But the insults are not related to the troll, and the ban is not related to the troll either, or to Mav agreeing with a potential troll. He didn't need to throw insults like that. Mav didn't get banned because of the troll. No one even cares if the topic was a troll or not.
I'm not interested on what happened in the past.
Then you're the one who don't get it, because you're completely ignoring the entire fact that he was on probation.
You say you don't care about the past, but the fact is that no one cares that you're not interested in the past because it's exactly the past that matters. And it matters a lot. If you say you're not interested in it, then you're the one who's missing the entire point of the probation. Everyone else IS interested in the past, and they're completely right to be interested in the past. If you're not, then you're wrong. Because it was the very condition for which he was allowed to come back in the first place. He broke that condition, so his right to come back is revoked, which means he's back to a permaban. If you're not interested in that, then you're just plain wrong, there's just no other way to put it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on July 12, 2014, 01:34:19 am
Because, to be honest, its as if we've almost gotten used to the "idea" of problem users getting a lot of "last chances" and doing this sort of thing. Bit of a circle really.
So what if they do? It hasn't really become a giant issue. People like MAVERIK and Navana were given chances and they were watched closely. Even if they eventually failed, that shouldn't mean we should never give anyone another chance ever, otherwise why not just use permabans for everything?

Navana was kinda funny though how he immediately got shitcanned almost like half a week ro so after getting let back in. But I guess that wasn't really th ebest thing I could have said. Sorry bout that.

What I am gonna say tho is pretty much repeating myself. (Not at you Jmorph or the mods I've spoken with some of them and they are alright guys)

"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it."

"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it."

"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 12, 2014, 01:34:41 am
but I'm seeing this going too far because of you guys using the past excuse. I'll say it again, since you don't seem to get it. I'm not interested on what happened in the past. I'm interested on what happened now, and I still feel he was an unwitting scapegoat for a troll's own fun
Let's sum it up :
- The whole point of the probation is that all of Maverik's actions and posts are judged based on his past actions. You can say all you want you're not interested in the past, it doesn't change the fact that everybody is judging him on his past actions, because that's how criminal justice works. You usually don't go to jail for stealing a bike. However, you can go to jail for stealing a bike if it's the 50th time you've been caught and are on probation. You can't judge someone for stealing a bike and say "I don't care that he already stole 500 other bikes ! I will only judge his present crime aka he just stole a bike, this doesn't warrant jail !!!"
- The troll thing has nothing to do with the ban. The reason Maverik is banned is because he started insulting Umezono. All the rest is secondary.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Handmaiden of the Seascape on July 12, 2014, 02:03:04 am
Then, if he didn't fall for a troll, why did he agree with the op?
His ban has nothing to do with who he was agreeing with. He was banned because he gushed insults at someone just because he didn't agree. It's completely irrelevant that this happened in a particular topic, which may or may not happen to be a troll. It doesn't matter if it was a troll, and it doesn't matter that LM was agreeing with him or not. He was banned for the insults.
You're starting from calling the topic a troll, you say Mav "fell for it", and you act like it's relevant. But it's not. It has nothing to do with the fact that Mav started insulting someone for disagreeing with him, and it has nothing to do with the ban that followed those insults. It just happens to be the particular topic where it took place. But the insults are not related to the troll, and the ban is not related to the troll either, or to Mav agreeing with a potential troll. He didn't need to throw insults like that. Mav didn't get banned because of the troll. No one even cares if the topic was a troll or not.
I'm not interested on what happened in the past.
Then you're the one who don't get it, because you're completely ignoring the entire fact that he was on probation.
You say you don't care about the past, but the fact is that no one cares that you're not interested in the past because it's exactly the past that matters. And it matters a lot. If you say you're not interested in it, then you're the one who's missing the entire point of the probation. Everyone else IS interested in the past, and they're completely right to be interested in the past. If you're not, then you're wrong. Because it was the very condition for which he was allowed to come back in the first place. He broke that condition, so his right to come back is revoked, which means he's back to a permaban. If you're not interested in that, then you're just plain wrong, there's just no other way to put it.

The fact I'm not interested in his past actions that warranted him a probation doesn't mean I'm ignorant about it (don't confuse lack of interest for ignorance). Whatever he would have done after if he was unbanned wouldn't be of my interest either, if he would break his probation if he was spared after this, it's his problem. Again. I agree with him being punished, but I'm still against the idea to have turned this into a permanent ban.

I can't change the fact you believe he deserves to be perma banned for insulting Umezono. But at the same time, you can't change the fact I believe he was, at least, this time, a scapegoat and the perma ban seems too far. And I'll say it one more time. While the permanent ban is still an excessive decision, he did deserve a punishment for his actions (I still believe a short term ban would have been enough). Insulting Umezono wasn't necessary from his side.

but I'm seeing this going too far because of you guys using the past excuse. I'll say it again, since you don't seem to get it. I'm not interested on what happened in the past. I'm interested on what happened now, and I still feel he was an unwitting scapegoat for a troll's own fun
Let's sum it up :
- The whole point of the probation is that all of Maverik's actions and posts are judged based on his past actions. You can say all you want you're not interested in the past, it doesn't change the fact that everybody is judging him on his past actions, because that's how criminal justice works. You usually don't go to jail for stealing a bike. However, you can go to jail for stealing a bike if it's the 50th time you've been caught and are on probation. You can't judge someone for stealing a bike and say "I don't care that he already stole 500 other bikes ! I will only judge his present crime aka he just stole a bike, this doesn't warrant jail !!!"
- The troll thing has nothing to do with the ban. The reason Maverik is banned is because he started insulting Umezono. All the rest is secondary.

Honestly, I'm still in disagreement for how things were handled on this situation. But if that's the final word, then, I can't do anything else about it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 12, 2014, 02:09:44 am
Also note it's not the 1st time he was banned. The difference between the time he was allowed back last time and this time is that you wasn't around (active?) the last time.

It's exceptionally hard to get perma banned here. And he even came back from that!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Handmaiden of the Seascape on July 12, 2014, 02:19:56 am
Also note it's not the 1st time he was banned. The difference between the time he was allowed back last time and this time is that you wasn't around (active?) the last time.

It's exceptionally hard to get perma banned here. And he even came back from that!

More like minding my own business, but this went widespread, and I was feeling something suspicious about that topic from my POV since early in the night.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on July 12, 2014, 02:20:54 am
Maverik was given a chance, he was well aware of the provisions set fourth for him. If he fucked up, he was gone. He fucked up, so he's gone. Kind of anti-climatic, but based on past history I don't think anyone would've wanted to see it get that far.

I guess one can argue it was unfair, but we're grownups here, I think we can take an unfair life. Maverik only has himself to blame for the position he put himself in, sorry.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 12, 2014, 02:28:30 am
nobody should get a pass because they said really dumb shit in a thread started by a troll or bad poster. makes no difference
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on July 12, 2014, 06:57:06 am
@ume You didn't get his point he was trying to make I could even see what he was talking about he went overboard on how he handled it but I got his point you completely missed what he was saying.
I completely understood his point, I was trying to tell him that his point had nothing to do with that troll account's stupid post. And he started ranting at me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on July 12, 2014, 07:08:31 am
well, the nickname B___________________ quite implies someone with a lot of time on its hands for nothing...

Guys, everything is beautiful and the support and all that but he always should´ve been aware of his probation. He fucked up, he is banned. End of story. Justified or not?? There are better ways to present an argument instead of insulting.

Quite sad his rant was for nothing... that´s really sad.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on July 12, 2014, 07:10:27 am
Also I was a fan of Maverik's work so yeah it is a shame
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 12, 2014, 08:09:49 am
me too I have attempted to explain my points as well in the other chat but I can see I won't win this one so I give up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 13, 2014, 12:38:50 am
People like Laharl and Kyoudou Senna who have no idea what they're talking about need to ask inquire before making baseless posts and saying irrational things like, "I don't care about the past, it doesn't matter."
i thought the same as i read the thread
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on July 13, 2014, 06:58:19 am
"The past" is the entire issue here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 13, 2014, 02:42:18 pm
once I saw pieces of the insulting posting style that he swore to abandon make its ugly debut against one of the agents related to the entity that gave him so much mercy, I took it upon myself to ban him
I love your posting style.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on July 13, 2014, 02:44:35 pm
Rajaa's the hero Guild deserves
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 15, 2014, 10:45:03 am
but not the one it needs. (wait does that make sense)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 15, 2014, 01:30:15 pm
You're implying Christopher Nolan doesn't make sense, you heretic !!! >:(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on July 15, 2014, 03:04:42 pm
I know I sound like a broken record here but I gotta say again, those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it and as much as I wanted to believe he got better and that this was just a misstep we gotta take his history into account.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 15, 2014, 03:09:49 pm
You're implying Christopher Nolan doesn't make sense, you heretic !!! >:(
never knew any christopher that made sense.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 15, 2014, 08:16:05 pm
christopher robin
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 15, 2014, 08:20:37 pm
He makes the least sense. Who can fathom the mind of a god?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 15, 2014, 09:07:44 pm
never knew any christopher that made sense.
ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthugha Fomalhaut n'gha-ghaa naf'lthagn. mglw'nafh fhthagn-ngah cf'ayak 'vulgtmm vugtlag'n
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 15, 2014, 10:40:43 pm
No, it doesn't make sense, much like the rest of your posts on this subject.

I was attempting to Lighten up the subject but ok yeah I alredy dropped this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 16, 2014, 12:01:04 am
never knew any christopher that made sense.
ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthugha Fomalhaut n'gha-ghaa naf'lthagn. mglw'nafh fhthagn-ngah cf'ayak 'vulgtmm vugtlag'n

To the Vale of Pnath with thee!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ryūku Tsukuyomi on July 16, 2014, 12:05:53 am
but not the one it needs. (wait does that make sense)

Thats because people forget the second part of this line which "but not one the it needs RIGHT NOW"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 16, 2014, 12:08:49 am
THATS IT thanks for fixing it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on July 19, 2014, 06:38:36 pm
I have noticed that Zthunder got a permaban.

One thing for certain, I completely forgot the guy existed many years ago.

Why he continues to shit up the place even after so many years is beyond me.

Anyway, keep up the good work, staff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on July 24, 2014, 12:03:54 am
Thank you Jmorphman for all your help in Mugen and helping people with stuff I guess. Hurrah for Jmorphman... and stuff

:l
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on July 24, 2014, 12:11:08 am
Yeah, we're gonna miss you Jmorph. :bigcry:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 24, 2014, 12:47:33 am
But....he's still a mod.

:huh2:

EDIT: Yeah, I'm dumb, I can tell :<
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 24, 2014, 01:16:20 am
I will just say it even if it makes me sound dumb wth happened to Jman? I don't get it?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 24, 2014, 01:17:56 am
wth happened to Jman?
Voluntary coma.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 24, 2014, 01:19:22 am
But....he's still a mod.
I will just say it even if it makes me sound dumb wth happened to Jman? I don't get it?
(http://i.imgur.com/0jJVFAk.png)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on August 07, 2014, 05:31:21 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/divine-w-i-p-s-141161.1320.html

My browser says there's malware in this page. From "s2.subirimagenes.com" . It must be because of yaret. Yep, it's definitely because of him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on August 07, 2014, 09:11:49 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/divine-w-i-p-s-141161.1320.html

My browser says there's malware in this page. From "s2.subirimagenes.com" . It must be because of yaret. Yep, it's definitely because of him.
I pmed him asking him to rehost it, which he did.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on August 09, 2014, 01:15:27 am
Excuse me:
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/very-early-wip-z2-android-17-161344.msg2004561.html#new

Move this to Graphics. Someone marked my report as solved without even saying a word. And that topic belong to the Graphics because:
[Sprite projects] is for "larger" spriting projects.
...
If you just wish to show off your sprites that are not part of a larger project please post them in Graphic Arts.
...
- Please do not post custom sprites unless you have at least 3 full animations completed. For smaller projects where you are still figuring out the how and why post in Graphic Arts. Once your project is large enough you can move your thread to this board or make a new thread here...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 09, 2014, 01:39:36 am
Moved it.

On the subject of the thread I didn't move in reports right now: we also allow credible authors to make wip threads without the need for screenshots, etc. So there is precedence for allowing certain users more allowances in those kinds of boards.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 09, 2014, 01:49:02 am
ink's thread should be moved back.
http://mugenguild.com/forum/boardseen./topics/sprite-projects-next-cps3-conversion-project--161448.msg1998663.html#new

sprite projects should not be treated like the other boards, for now at least. ink already has a reputation and it's not like the board is flooding with new threads that need attention (the oldest last post in page 1 for sprite projects is from five weeks, compared to just days ago for projects). there was absolutely nothing bad from having it there
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on August 19, 2014, 02:52:29 pm
This guy:
http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/tzu-82763

What should be done to him? A three days ban? He disregarded Iced's warning.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Tzu on August 19, 2014, 02:57:12 pm
Some people will forever be insects.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on August 19, 2014, 02:57:55 pm
With that story you were talking about yourself then. Okay.
You deserve a ban.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Tzu on August 19, 2014, 02:58:49 pm
Dont worry bro i see.the fact that you put your self instantly as a giant,Implies the oposite.Insect will forever be insects.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on August 19, 2014, 02:59:39 pm
Dont worry bro i see.the fact that you put your self instantly as a giant,Implies the oposite.Insect will forever be insects.
Hey, you're implying you're pretending to be the giant then, but that demonstrates you're the opposite. Insect will forever be insects. :XD:
Come on, continue.

Actually I was thinking about being a spectator of that story, not the giant. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Tzu on August 19, 2014, 03:02:45 pm
I always find it amusing when ants threaten to bite me.gl with that
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on August 19, 2014, 03:03:27 pm
I always find it amusing when ants threaten to bite me.gl with that
Continue, continue, I want to see the end of your story.
Why does the spectator have to be an ant? Again you're pretending to be better than me, and that implies "you know what".

@Person Man: you have some work to do here. You could move this in the Shit Thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Tzu on August 19, 2014, 03:12:50 pm
Yes i may be banned,but you know what, that stage will appear on net one day and I will have no problem using a replace till then.I barely use forums any ways . Now look at where you are this moment . Condoning a  troll, which you got your own self into.I may be banned .Yess but you be in similar trouble for encouraging it by just principle.Look @ where you ego has got you.Me being the giant i am a custom doing the tango with other giants .This is not my first time getting in trouble on internet. Unfortunately for you flies never survive stray bullets.

You jumped in the line of fire  with no bullet proof vest, for  someone who doesn't even know or care that you are taking a bullet for them.You and me wil be gone and guess what he is just fine.Just the publicity alone will speed up the process in  which the stage will appear on the net.You must love wasting  your own time and time of people excluding me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on August 19, 2014, 03:15:37 pm
Yeah yeah, whatever. Keep thinking about your story about giants, insects and ants and new characters: "stray bullets".

Oh wow, you're a genius. I partook in your evil plan without realizing, now you will get the stage immediately. What did I do?:bigcry:
I have wasted your time too if you continuously replied to me. :smug:

And none of this would have happened if you used common sense in the first place.
But no, when people tell you you did something wrong you have to act all mighty and think you're superior, huh?
And then you use the "you're wasting your time" card.

This is not my first time getting in trouble on internet.
Oh, I wonder why that happened... ::)

...I will have no problem using a replace till then.
need dis asap
Why do you need it as soon as possible? Reading your post, it seems you have no problem waiting.

Also, cool, you're ban evading. Great.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 19, 2014, 03:19:35 pm
thats ridiculous, go out and have a stroll you are trying to build a storylline with you as the hero over requesting a file on the internet.
use the request area following the rules as provided. have a good day.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 19, 2014, 06:13:03 pm
Is he banned yet ?

Don't worry Tzu, everything's gonna be alright. You're just a worthless piece of shit who forgot to take his pills. Many mods and admins are here to give them to you. Everything will be fine. ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 19, 2014, 06:13:21 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on August 19, 2014, 06:34:57 pm
some guy i'll forget a week from now said:
Me being the giant i am a custom doing the tango with other giants .

Who is he?
protip: i don't care
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 19, 2014, 07:58:59 pm
Given that one of his posts was linking one of my videos I'm expecting to be PM bombed by him on YT for it  ::)

Anyway, nothing lost by getting rid of him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on August 19, 2014, 08:04:56 pm
You're just a worthless piece of shit who forgot to take his pills.
Hey, just in the future, cool it. This stuff justifies people acting like idiots
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on August 19, 2014, 10:51:25 pm
Also the goading by Alex Sinigaglia.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 19, 2014, 10:54:32 pm
Yeah don't make him up as the victim either, his behavior justifies Cyb's and Alex's comments all the same.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on August 19, 2014, 11:13:17 pm
Calling someone a worthless piece of shut is going a bit far to be justified
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 19, 2014, 11:18:06 pm
Yeah, I know. I went a little too far. Sorry.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on August 20, 2014, 12:14:44 am
Yeah don't make him up as the victim either, his behavior justifies Cyb's and Alex's comments all the same.

Except the next person who does that might get warned or banned for it and that will only confirm that we like them (and you too ) better and therefore are biased.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 20, 2014, 12:28:10 am
Oh wow, you're a genious.
did you mean: genius
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 20, 2014, 12:57:21 am
Calling someone a worthless piece of shut is going a bit far to be justified
Yeah, but that's the same with calling people ants and the weird shit this guy pulled. I'm not saying the responses were right (Alex got carried away too easily) but this guy's behavior is no more excusable than the responses he got. Especially if those responses were... responses. Had Alex and Cyb started off with those comments for some reason, then the ants trip would have looked different. But he's the one who goaded people and asked for the responses he got. He's not the victim, he's the cause.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on August 20, 2014, 01:05:24 am
It doesnt matter who caused it there are standards to posting here. Goaded or not I exepct users to behave themselves. Two wrongs dont make a right, its not as bad since its in response to a crazy person being crazy, but its still not acceptable to.make baseless ad hominems just cause another person is being stupid.

Im not treating this guy as a victim, just telling people to cool it. It reflects badly on a community when.one bad poster causes even more bad posting by normally great members. You can tell people theyre stupid for being stupid but this guy ddnt say anything to warrant a response like "worthless piece of shit"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on August 20, 2014, 01:14:32 am
Man, I miss the old times back in 2007 when hosting somebody else's char without his permission was enough to warrant a reply like "worthless piece of shit". What does one have to do around here nowadays to get that kind of replies??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on August 20, 2014, 01:15:49 am
Oh wow, you're a genious.
did you mean: genius

Thanks. I knew there was something wrong with that word. I'm going to fix my post.

Even if I think he deserved my words (later he even admitted he was trolling), I come here to apologize and I'll try to refrain from doing this again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 20, 2014, 01:21:04 am
Man, I miss the old times back in 2007 when hosting somebody else's char without his permission was enough to warrant a reply like "worthless piece of shit". What does one have to do around here nowadays to get that kind of replies??
Maybe being Vyx and doing Vyx stuff applies ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on August 20, 2014, 01:21:37 am
Man, I miss the old times back in 2007 when hosting somebody else's char without his permission was enough to warrant a reply like "worthless piece of shit". What does one have to do around here nowadays to get that kind of replies??

Something illegal, borderline illegal, blatantly racist, sexist, homophobic, or just downright unethical.

And in many of those cases, I'd say it's well-deserved. Like that one guy who said, "I'm in jamaica... we kill gay here," or something to that effect, like what the fuck?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on August 20, 2014, 01:23:51 am
Man, I miss the old times back in 2007 when hosting somebody else's char without his permission was enough to warrant a reply like "worthless piece of shit". What does one have to do around here nowadays to get that kind of replies??
they have to be you.............
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 20, 2014, 01:29:14 am
Like I said, I wasn't being apologetic to the responses. Just saying the guy was just as bad and let's not lose track of that. I don't think those responses "justify" comments like what that guy said, that's what I'm saying. How the responses are received is a different matter.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mog on August 20, 2014, 01:33:01 am
Man, I miss the old times back in 2007 when hosting somebody else's char without his permission was enough to warrant a reply like "worthless piece of shit". What does one have to do around here nowadays to get that kind of replies??
Maybe being Vyx and doing Vyx stuff applies ?

I miss Vyx, I wonder whatever happened to him
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on August 20, 2014, 01:34:09 am
Gouki shungokusatsu'd him because he wasn't a true warrior.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 20, 2014, 01:35:26 am
Or maybe Byakko punched him in the face for real, even though the Hall of Fame topic says otherwise ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 20, 2014, 01:36:30 am
Maybe being Vyx and doing Vyx stuff applies ?

i read that as vyx and vyx appliances.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on August 20, 2014, 01:37:33 am
I sell vyx and vyx accessories
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on August 20, 2014, 01:59:30 am
Man, I miss the old times back in 2007 when hosting somebody else's char without his permission was enough to warrant a reply like "worthless piece of shit". What does one have to do around here nowadays to get that kind of replies??
Maybe being Vyx and doing Vyx stuff applies ?

Time to create a website to sell Z2 "fullgames"  :idea:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 20, 2014, 10:59:31 am
I'll probably have to ask Helder Santos to convert them to HD beforehand. We can't sell a fullgame if it isn't HD.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on August 21, 2014, 05:02:17 am
I'll probably have to ask Helder Santos to convert them to HD beforehand. We can't sell a fullgame if it isn't HD.



 :disappointed: aw damn
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on August 22, 2014, 03:50:28 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2011194
Quote
Is this a straight up form of mocking that we should ask JZ/anyone not to do? Or is it a direct exaggerated form of what Chuchoryu does to be shown as a more in your face manner of feedback?

It mocks him a little, but it's more of the latter in my opinion. No need for the slap-on-the-wrist ban.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on August 22, 2014, 03:59:40 pm
ARE YOU SERIOUS?

That edit is many years old. And it is by no means about Chuchoryu at all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 22, 2014, 04:00:05 pm
Serious about what?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on August 22, 2014, 04:00:57 pm
I know, it was made by Vegeta20XX. I agree with what JNP did in the topic, that image would have needed more informations.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 22, 2014, 04:06:38 pm
To note a slap on the wrist isn't a ban either :P A ban is getting much more serious. And then it gets easier to be banned for longer after that. That wasn't on the table for this "incident".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 22, 2014, 04:14:48 pm
walt, Chu made an animation of Kuma, and JZ posted that sprite because it was animated the same way - and looked just as terrible. JZ posted it as a comparison to tell how bad it is.
JZ posting that image is no different from anyone else saying "that animation is terrible". Unless you start slapping everyone else the same way, there's no reason to react to JZ's post.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 22, 2014, 04:18:52 pm
Everyone else posts information with it. It just looks kinda bad by itself. In the feedback thread you can see I had the same thought as you at 1st.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 22, 2014, 04:21:44 pm
Do people posting "wow, that looks terrible" with nothing else get slapped ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 22, 2014, 04:22:29 pm
I think so. I mean they should be. I've slapped them for it before. I can't say they all do. If I see it I say something because that doesn't help anything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 22, 2014, 04:24:03 pm
They should get slapped if they do that all day long and don't do anything else, not if they do it once. People are allowed to have an opinion and not justify themselves as long as they're not being obvious assholes 24/7.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 22, 2014, 04:27:46 pm
That's fair enough too. But I don't think it hurts to say something on the 1st offense or the 5th.

Just saying something is terrible without feedback is pretty much the same as "I expected x character" instead.
But I tend to view these things more casually. I'm not trying to scare these people. I just want to let them know that those kinds of posts can be harmful.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 22, 2014, 04:30:47 pm
i can't really tell if the post is 100% mean spirited or not. i don't think posting an image like that without context helps. not everybody's going to get what you mean, even if you think it's fairly obvious. like this other post (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2007853) which isn't mean spirited, it's just saying you're comparing apples to oranges, but as felo demonstrated it can be confusing
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 22, 2014, 04:36:42 pm
The actual problem here is the mob mentality in the particular case of Chu. It's just that this is a hot subject because it's been going on for years.

Take the same event but change one variable at a time, see if and when it bothers you.
Change the topic : if a comment like that happened once in a completely random topic, it wouldn't be a big issue. Anyone SHOULD be able to take this kind of comment *once* without the topic imploding and melting. It's when the topic is flooded by it that it goes to hell.
Change the poster : see my previous post. Even if it was meant as an attack, it wasn't really THAT insulting. It wasn't a torrent of fuckyous or anything.
So the only real problem here is that it happens repeatedly in the particular topics that involve Chu. This kind of comments can be harmful, sure, but only if they're repeated, by the same person, or to the same person. If you take this particular instance and say it happened just once or twice, it's really not a problem. So really, the only thing to say in this case is that Chu's is a dangerous subject, and JZ himself isn't really at fault, it's just the same warning Chu's topics always get.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 22, 2014, 04:46:59 pm
I used the same logic when I was talking to Iced on google talk once it came up in warnings. I decided that I may be allowing it more because it is Chu and his history. Which is why I asked someone that isn't in the community here. Taking the history out of it and looking at face value from an outsider looking at the forum.

After that I still felt it wasn't worth anything even as strict as deleting. I  figured it'd be best just to explain how a post like that would be more acceptable with a bit more info. It offsets the "mocking" aspect more so even those that are easier to cry fowl can accept the post better. Call it a compromise. If my post seemed threatening or hostile and not polite then that was not my intent and I will apologize right away.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 22, 2014, 04:55:24 pm
Long story short, when you asked "am I being biased against Chu for allowing it", I was more thinking along the lines of "you're biased against JZ for thinking of slapping that post". (except that was when I did mistake your "slap on the wrist" comment for the 3-day ban before you clarified that, since the 3-day ban is often considered as a slap on the wrist :P)

It's not that your post was hostile, it's that it's a hot topic and you're overthinking it. It's like every time something happens, you have to rethink the whole affair "should I or should I not allow it". And sometimes, you (not you specifically I mean, I'm generally speaking here) confuse the backlog of how many times it happened for an increased gravity of this particular instance.
Make a decision on what is acceptable and what isn't on the Chu subject, and stick to it. Don't focus on a specific post by a specific poster, otherwise it does look like you're unloading the accumulated stress on that particular person. I don't have anything against your call for order and description of what "good feedback" would be, mind you, but it came about in a kind of targeted way.


(by the way, after you clarified what you meant by slap on the wrist, what I'm saying here is probably much less relevant ; it's just a general comment on how this kind of subject is handled)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 22, 2014, 05:14:19 pm
I see what you're saying. But there are still 2 small issues that elevate this particular post more than a normal post simply saying "This is terrible"

It's an image. Images "can speak a thousand words" if you will. And it was brought to my attention by someone else in chat that didn't want to use the report button. That elevates it a bit more as well. If a post is or is not reported that increases the need for intervention just a bit.

After it was said and done I felt it wouldn't hurt just to casually say something in the thread. And here we are. If I hadn't been overthinking it then the post may have gotten deleted or maybe nothing would have happened at all. Not sure really.
I'd just rather be too critical so people don't think we're just reacting on 1st sight. Also why I posted everything in public.

EDIT to your edit:
I'll be sure to be more clear when I say "slap on wrist." I forget some mods use that as ban. I feel a ban is very extreme so I can see how it may be worrying for me to say that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 22, 2014, 05:59:30 pm
chuchoryu is well known for not listening the feedback so giving him more detailed feedback than"the sprite looks bad, just like this other one" is a stupid waste of time. those posts just tell him, that the animation looks bad, if he ever showsn any intent on listenning to any feedback rest assured people would give it that.

basically our options are:
ignore chucho's topics, so he only will get the "positive feedback" nice char +1 posts, which means he will continue doing what he does, people outside of the comunity (lurkers, etc...) will think that a majority of the comunity aprobes that kind of work, and chucho will keep on pissing off spriters; I don't want to hurt sensibilities so I won't say names but I know a few hadnful projects that have already been cancelled/gone ´private because they got pissed at the treatment chucho gives to their resources.

give chucho detailed feedback, again a waste of time as he won't listen to any.

once in a while post some stuff that tells people that hcucho's work is generally considered bad, so other guy's who make stuff don't feel like following chucho's examples (if you consider the amount of stuff chucho posts, the ocurrences of this are actually very sparse).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 22, 2014, 06:02:05 pm
If you got nothing worth saying, theres no point posting.

If you are going to give someone feedback give it, if they arent "worth" proper feedback then dont post . If you are posting you should at least be making full posts, otherwise might as well just be posting memes in project threads that go "mfw bad sprites"

the idea that you have to shit on chuchoryu to somehow save the community from people that decide to create like he does is ridiculous and isnt worth even commenting.

Not really rocket science.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 22, 2014, 06:03:59 pm
If you got nothing worth saying, theres no point posting.
It's useful for other people who come and see it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 22, 2014, 06:04:38 pm
if what you posted wasnt worth saying then its not worth being read.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 22, 2014, 06:05:24 pm
Define what's not worth saying
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 22, 2014, 06:07:54 pm
The post i was replying to summed it.
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chuchoryu is well known for not listening the feedback so giving him more detailed feedback than"the sprite looks bad, just like this other one" is a stupid waste of time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 22, 2014, 06:09:15 pm
Make a rule that no one should give feedback to Chuchoryu, then. I mean all feedback, not just those you don't like.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 22, 2014, 06:14:53 pm
The post i was replying to summed it.
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chuchoryu is well known for not listening the feedback so giving him more detailed feedback than"the sprite looks bad, just like this other one" is a stupid waste of time.
should not you be busy then, deleting most post from his releases thread, while leaving only the nice char+a ones ? I mean just take a look at his joe thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 22, 2014, 06:27:09 pm
I dont even know what you are going on about, wip threads have always been parsed for stuff like that. Posts that are memetic or do not contain feedback are discouraged in projects.

if you dont think a user deserves more detailed feedback than a picture of a bad animation done by a newbie 5 years ago when he was trying to learn to sprite without any context, then you are probably not helping anyone and should consider if you should post at all.


should not you be busy then, deleting most post from his releases thread, while leaving only the nice char+a ones ? I mean just take a look at his joe thread.

there has been several cleanups of posts insulting him on his release threads , thats a thing that happens commonly due to the ammount of people trying to insult him. No one is saying that everyone should just leave behind "Nice char plus one" posts, just to avoid posting without any feedback at all if you have something to tell him. Its not more worth posting a random post just because you dont want to leave feasible feedback. You are not going to start discussing trainsets on his project threads just because you dont like his characters.
I myself have gone into long posts feedbacking his bad choices.


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If you hate the extra changes by Varo_Hades that much...copy the sff onto the original PotS Cammy and shut up. Problem solved. Just enjoy what you've got, guys.

Criticizing something is not the same thing as hating something .
The whole point of the criticism was that the sprites arent done wonderfully.
in that stance her body rocks left and right a bunch of pixels without animation to them while her legs animate normally.



Delta has supposedly a different hat, the scar she a lready has in alpha.
just google cammy alpha.
Pretty dang sure that this here is misanimated
(http://s22.postimg.org/3ps0s2dhp/SF4.gif)
Its jumping pixels left and right instead of animating them or having any transitions fromt he waist up shes a rushed job.

you can see the same here for one of his other characters:
(http://r28.imgfast.net/users/2816/38/42/92/avatars/709-22.gif)


Not to mention how there are sprite count loss every now and then on those animations.

I dont know why you would assume I wanted bouncing boobs.

If he isnt worth your feedback dont feedback. But you and all of you can give better feedback than that and make better posts than posts with content like that.  You taught me to moderate like that and if its true for "good" feedback receivers its also true for "bad" feedback receivers . I learnt it from ya, boss. =P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 22, 2014, 06:33:13 pm
there is this thing of context, mien and jesuszilla's post were pretty much one post split it two, now I see that B-hatter's post got between them, I posted saying that the animation looked like someone used the skew tool as jesuszilla posted the skewed animation, as we both were talkign about it in irc.

to TDS:
the comic people that made you doubt yoruself lakc a lot of info being external, part of their argument is based on that he does some nice looking sprites, while in fact the nice looking bits are the stuff he usually takes/steals from other people; it's like having a comic guy who makes ocasionally good panels, so people tell you you treat him too harshly, except that you know that his good looking panels are actually traced from you friend's  panels.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 22, 2014, 06:43:34 pm
I dont even know what you are going on about, wip threads have always been parsed for stuff like that. Posts that are memetic or do not contain feedback are discouraged in projects.

if you dont think a user deserves more detailed feedback than a picture of a bad animation done by a newbie 5 years ago when he was trying to learn to sprite without any context, then you are probably not helping anyone and should consider if you should post at all.
I think you misunderstood something :
The post i was replying to summed it.
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chuchoryu is well known for not listening the feedback so giving him more detailed feedback than"the sprite looks bad, just like this other one" is a stupid waste of time.
What you're quoting here is saying that it's pointless to give detailed feedback - since he won't listen to them. that's what he called a waste of time. With what you're saying here, it's like you want people to NOT give detailed feedbacks - because they're pointless, which means, according to you, that it's not worth posting them.

Not to mention that one person who thinks a post is worthless doesn't mean another person will think it is too, so the whole "if it's not worth saying, then don't say it" thing has always been bogus talk for authoritarian parents who just want their kids to shut up because they said so. It's parent-talk for "If I think it's worthless, then don't say it".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 22, 2014, 06:47:39 pm
E:
I understood that part :)
Many users are more casual. There seems to be more of a push to make sure that people that are not deeper into the community like us don't just come in and see things like that and think this is how it should be or is here.

As long as something like that doesn't alienate the actual community still here I don't mind that sort of push and will be mindful to attempt the bridge.
I don't think my post regarding that simple sprite is something that would alienate the regulars. Obviously I hope not =p

Considering the action I took I still don't get what we're talking about. I guess it's the "badge" that comes with admin makes my post rub a bit deeper but I honestly only meant to aid no one being upset on either side. I hope this makes sense. I wasn't trying to be all "OBAY ATHORITAI" I was casually addressing it.


Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 22, 2014, 06:56:40 pm
Considering the action I took I still don't get what we're talking about. I guess it's the "badge" that comes with admin makes my post rub a bit deeper but I honestly only meant to aid no one being upset on either side. I hope this makes sense. I wasn't trying to be all "OBAY ATHORITAI" I was casually addressing it.
Overthinking, don't worry, no one's still arguing about what you did.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 22, 2014, 06:58:45 pm
What you're quoting here is saying that it's pointless to give detailed feedback - since he won't listen to them. that's what he called a waste of time. With what you're saying here, it's like you want people to NOT give detailed feedbacks - because they're pointless, which means, according to you, that it's not worth posting them.

Not to mention that one person who thinks a post is worthless doesn't mean another person will think it is too, so the whole "if it's not worth saying, then don't say it" thing has always been bogus talk for authoritarian parents who just want their kids to shut up because they said so. It's parent-talk for "If I think it's worthless, then don't say it".

no no, i mean what i said where if you think its worthless going into detail and would rather not post then dont post at all.
I too do that.
E uses a technique similar ot mine, offering feedback on glaring defects, if user reacts well i go into more detail. if they dont I make a mental note and probably wont waste much time next time they release something.

TDS post in thread is how i think people should post, adding more context and feedback and not just posting the bare minimum or a picture or whatever. That stance by itself doesnt tell me much, but adding some explanation like tds did i think it turns out as a decent feedback on what not to do when animating.

Talking with E on chat he suggested that maybe tds should have just dropped the request to add more context in future posts and not bring it up on warnings since people seem to be mostly reacting to the post in warnings itself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Akito on August 22, 2014, 07:09:56 pm
except that chuchoryu is well known for not listening the feedback so giving him more detailed feedback than"the sprite looks bad, just like this other one" is stupid.

It's just that, opinions Chuchoryu unable to listen and accept them as something constructive, so I agree with Jesuszilla with that image.

PS: And it's not the first time that the feedbacks Chuchoryu were made, but he does not listen, and also promotes the chars he does so as if they were the best chars in the world (and we know they are not, I'm sorry to say it's more sprites are ugly), saying things like "I'm Mugenmanker." Anyway, so when people do not listen to others who want to help, they are "rewarded" that way.

Sorry for the sincerity of my words.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 22, 2014, 07:14:49 pm
I thought about making the post in decisions instead but it always gets moved to warnings anyway. :p
Also thought about reporting it myself to ask for feedback but wanted to be sure I could get more staff looking.

Next time in a situation like that I'll post in decisions anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on August 22, 2014, 09:03:14 pm
except that chuchoryu is well known for not listening the feedback so giving him more detailed feedback than"the sprite looks bad, just like this other one" is stupid.

It's just that, opinions Chuchoryu unable to listen and accept them as something constructive, so I agree with Jesuszilla with that image.

i dont agree with that image, if your willing to help or remind the guy he is still doing something wrong just write it textually even if he ignores it just write it, he does read it im sure, and for those that hate it or dislike it then ignore it,dont post a shitty image insulting the sprite work, which think thats basicaly what it is "your sprites looks just as shitty as this, it even moves shitty like yours", imo thats  considered desrupting or derrailing a creators thread and it totally wasnt meant for helping at all, not whitenighting the guy just pointing out his rights
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nexus Games on August 22, 2014, 09:21:07 pm
he is doing this for him but people like what he is doing he is not really doing this to be accepted by people this is what he want's not for people but for him
and if people like it then that's fine

if he does not ever want to get or use feedback he is doing what he wants and doing it on purpose there is no reason to keep talking about what a bad job some of you guys think he is doing

as long as some people like his works he is fine to continue
we can't do anything about this but make our version if we care about the fighting community

mocking him is not worth it
not even solving anything but wasting time

we can only wait for a version some of you will like

this has been going on for a while if you know the result then why care about his stuff but as long as some people like his stuff
he will continue

this is his way of being a creator
not making perfect or done characters

but making them because he can (I think)?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on August 22, 2014, 09:59:07 pm
if you dont like the guys shit and your feedback doesnt work leave him alone cause theres nothing else you can do

if you try to be an asshole about it you just look like a dick and it might win you points with other people laughing at him but in the grand scheme of things it means jack squat. thats my opinion

on the sprite itself, there was no context to it so it couldve been taken anyway, i definitely dont think it was needed but you cant say it was objectively malicious. he could just be posting that sprote cause his animation work reminds him of that. frankly theres no problem with that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on August 23, 2014, 03:35:55 am
There's a simplest solution: if you don't want to see more Chu posts, there's an option called "Ignore user" ;) sadly that doesn't work with created posts in boards, you should be add that option, too, admins.

By my side, I'm tired of this in all cases: making constructive feedback, saying "this is shit" and even mocking him. In all cases, it's waste of time and words and a lot of you already should know this, why still complaining about him and his works?? I just prefer to ignore his threads, being WIPS or releases, and you should make the same (or use the "Ignore User" feature). Even those pages dedicated to him are a waste of space here, move on people
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on August 23, 2014, 03:44:47 am
The situation's been resolved and I already said why I didn't ignore him in that thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 23, 2014, 04:57:36 pm
Unless you've sent him a PM or two explaining why what he was doing was wrong, I think you were a little fast in soft-banning crazymike.

The guy was indeed spamming, but with a project that used the same sprites as blackscale's project.
Maybe he's new to Mugen forums, just wanted to show off the project somehow, and thought this was a good place to do so.
I told him to create a topic in the WIP section if he wanted to promote this project (but then realized you already banned him).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on August 23, 2014, 05:09:44 pm
I sent him a pm after deleting his first 2 posts explaining him why were they deleted. His reply was an empty quote (no questions, no insults, no nothin'). "Huh,  at least he got the message through, I guess" I said. Then a few minutes later he did the exact same thing again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TrinitroRoy on August 23, 2014, 07:49:18 pm
Sorry, if I'm posting in the wrong thread, but why cannot I change my avatar anymore?
Is it because of that Titiln accident? If yes, then I can tell you that I will use the avatar changing more wisely from now, but please let me change my avatar again, so I can go back to square one again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 23, 2014, 07:56:19 pm
Yes at the moment you are still in cursed status and cannot change your profile.

This is something you'll have to earn back as well. I can't in good judgement remove any restrictions made before a ban right as soon as you get back from the ban.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on September 07, 2014, 10:02:28 am
I saw you're checking if eliott and ralfab are the same guy, but check ZORRO671 too, he posts like them/him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on September 07, 2014, 12:08:14 pm
Iced mentioned that zorro's ip didn't match those two (not that it means a whole lot but based on that it can't be said that they're the same). Doesn't say it now but that was what was posted originally.

I also believe multi-accounting should be at least a week (if not 2wks to a month). Knowingly doing it involves purposely being deceptive (unlike someone losing their cool which can happen to the best of us).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on September 07, 2014, 04:11:32 pm
I've been saying the same thing for years.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 10, 2014, 06:36:42 pm
you could also make the hel iori ban permanent, remember that one of the reasons he only got reported once is because the rest of the people who read the topic got him on ignore (plus some of the few ones who don't asked how to put him there). he also does not speak/read english so the only topic in which he can kidn fo post is the topic in which all the users ignore him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 11, 2014, 12:24:46 am
He also manged to eran the dislike of the few people willing to help him.

And tokdiscos (the only person who thinks helliori wasright) is already telling us to "eat dicks".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 11, 2014, 01:18:13 am
No, he said "penne" which is a type of pasta = he wanted to offend me in a "racial"/xenophobic way. What an idiot!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on October 11, 2014, 01:21:06 am
Seems they don't learn, do they? ::)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 11, 2014, 01:26:41 am
racist or homophobic, you decide.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 11, 2014, 01:35:50 am
I'm sorry, instead of racist I meant xenophobe.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on October 24, 2014, 11:52:34 pm
Yamcha8 is obviously Goku6 who i believe is permabanned for doing almost exactly what he's doing now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Looney Tooney on October 25, 2014, 12:10:40 am
Yamcha8 is obviously Goku6 who i believe is permabanned for doing almost exactly what he's doing now.

you mean by being ignorant?

How can I disable KO ?

How can I do automatic KO without pressing F1 and not soon but during the match ?


Edit: still sounds a little ignorant to me, but I still agree with you on the matter.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on October 25, 2014, 12:11:43 am
No, by continuously making the same exact topic over and over in spite of various warnings, bannings, etc. Ignorance is not a ban-worthy offense.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on October 25, 2014, 12:14:00 am
Has anyone asked him why he's doing that, though?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on October 25, 2014, 01:32:08 am
You wouldn't get a response. If the answer did not directly relate (and i mean, you didn't give him the code he wanted) he simply wouldn't respond, or would respond with the equivalent of "how do i shot web" over and over.

If you gave him an answer like "this is in KFM and you can copy from there, have a look at state X" he would come back with "can you post the code" it drove me nuts after 3 months or so.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 25, 2014, 01:38:21 am
ah, it's that guy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on November 08, 2014, 01:30:51 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/zordon-85048

It could be Memo's alternate account. Memo explained how they know each other but I'm not buying it.
They also write in the same style:

Long sentence etc. etc. etc. etc.
Another long sentence etc. etc. etc.
Another one yadda yadda yadda

Another paragraph etc. etc.
With another sentence etc. etc.
Etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

(notice the capital letter every time he goes one line down)

do you see what I mean?

Also this: http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2044375 and http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2044378
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opps,  that reply i deleted was done on the wrong profile, im chillen with my
boy zordon at the moment excuse the mix-up.
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I never learned how that was done,  and that ryu is outdated I cant just copy
What he did.  I would love to have it that way but I would need some help
With that.  If some one would help me do it I would but right now im going tru
All his attacks and balancing thema little better so hes not too OP

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on November 08, 2014, 09:09:01 pm
Damn I keep posting with the wrong profile!
:-\

the IPs match, also
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Looney Tooney on November 08, 2014, 09:42:52 pm
:-\

the IPs match, also
if they do match then it can considerably be an alt.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on November 08, 2014, 09:49:10 pm
I hope you're not saying this because you think people here don't already know that
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on November 08, 2014, 09:50:43 pm
Now that you have this information you may proceed JMorphMan. God speed
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on November 08, 2014, 09:54:48 pm
If I don't make it back tell my wife I
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: S.D. on November 30, 2014, 12:03:25 am
It's understandable the stance about this guy's post not breaking any rules and I'm in no way saying that users should resort to backseat moderation. I'm just saying that clearly I'm not the only one bothered by this, and I'm in my right to complain as long as I'm not breaking any rules. As Byakko said, the disruptive posting behavior and the lack of understanding on how a board's discussion works gives a bad impression (He had this thread where he was the only one posting in it, why? Because because know the guy doesn't know how to discuss about a topic, it's pointless)
The things you share arent always interesting too.
Guess what? They're about things I'M ACTUALLY WATCHING, idiot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Neocide on November 30, 2014, 12:13:23 am
It's understandable the stance about this guy's post not breaking any rules and I'm in no way saying that users should resort to backseat moderation. I'm just saying that clearly I'm not the only one bothered by this, and I'm in my right to complain as long as I'm not breaking any rules. As Byakko said, the disruptive posting behavior and the lack of understanding on how a board's discussion works gives a bad impression (He had this thread where he was the only one posting in it, why? Because because know the guy doesn't know how to discuss about a topic, it's pointless)

again if it's bothering you, and it's not breaking the rules, why not just ignore him? you know what he says is just pissing you off and all it's doing is derailing the thread even more.(much like my own posts) So instead of getting a headache and arguing with a brick wall You can simply choose to remove the wall in general.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 12:21:48 am
It's understandable the stance about this guy's post not breaking any rules and I'm in no way saying that users should resort to backseat moderation. I'm just saying that clearly I'm not the only one bothered by this, and I'm in my right to complain as long as I'm not breaking any rules. As Byakko said, the disruptive posting behavior and the lack of understanding on how a board's discussion works gives a bad impression (He had this thread where he was the only one posting in it, why? Because because know the guy doesn't know how to discuss about a topic, it's pointless)
The things you share arent always interesting too.
Guess what? They're about things I'M ACTUALLY WATCHING, idiot.
You are in the wrong to complain when you deliberately derail to attack/antagonize a user. Personal problems with a user should not be addressed in an unrelated public forum.

According to Omega (who has some trouble with English by his own admission) this has been a recurring  that some of you have been warned to stop in the past. Considering how innocuous his actions are (some miscommunication, hit and run news posts) they are not overly disruptive to the forum in general. Whether or not they leave a bad impression is subjective (I for one see those posts as completely harmless and sometimes informative)

Either way, since hes not breaking the rules and is not deliberately trying to start fights, there is no justification for the level of harassment he gets for posting a link or a comment
. Considering there have been warnings before, I am going to treat this as a serious issue. If this stuff happens again, I won't hesitate to recommend staff action. It leave a worse impression to people when we constantly get into drama over something so stupid.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on November 30, 2014, 12:58:20 am
Just a heads up : you're never going to convince anyone (among those who already disagree) that his posting is acceptable for a discussion-oriented forum. No one involved will ever take threats of staff action into consideration when thinking that Omega's posts are killing discussions. Have you SEEN those topics where he ends up being the only one posting, with posts that are only a string of links ? Do you think it's a good thing ? How do you think that gives a better impression ?

And... no, the posts are not harmless. If he ignores the people who actually give him answers (and not even insulting him !), if, after a while, that ends up pissing off those people who get ignored for no reason when they're actually trying to talk normally to him, by definition this isn't harmless. Or what, when do you say it's harmful ? When people piss him off ? when people piss you off ? But if he's the one pissing off people for no reason, suddenly it's harmless ? How come ? Do you have a list of people that can get pissed off by someone and you'll still consider it harmless ? What's the criteria ?
(oh, and don't even try to say "well it's your fault for getting pissed off at silly things like that", I'll just yell back at you for getting pissed off by curse words, different people get pissed off by different things, that's socially terrible to disregard it and you're a terrible person if you do that sort of things)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 02:26:14 am
Cmon man, thats not right. You cant have such an elitist mentality that everyone has to post exactly like you and your buddies to have a discussion. Posting links for information in a thread meant around posting information is okay. He has no obligation to continue a discussion, but he's certainly encouraged to start them which is what the point of posting links in. People who have done this to him in the past have indeed been instructed by staff not to do so. So you are in the wrong here. You 're entitled to get pissed off but you are NOT entitled to derail a thread to smack your dick in his face about how bad a poster you think he is. All this criteria stuff you're pushing in my face, its irrelevant. and he is most certainly allowed to ignore people if he wants. Thats just a right everyone has.

SO guess what? I'll take action if I see you guys act like unnecessary dicks. You can hold your pride and conviction about how destructive a guy simply posting his links/opinions to the grave, thats your issue. But I cant tolerate that thread getting derailed for the 50th time so you can shit all over him.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on November 30, 2014, 02:29:42 am
Umezono, no one attacked him over not knowing something. People attacked him because they were mad because of how he treated the discussion, and because he always does that. He asked a question, he got perfectly legitimate and polite answers, and he acted like those answers didn't exist. He does that all the time, he's not just ignoring the people who insult him, he's rejecting all attempt at a discussion (and then he complains about those who get irritated).

This is not an elitist mentality. Fuck off with that term already, it's not automatically elitism when someone doesn't like something. Saying we want him to post exactly like us is a massive overstatement, it's completely ridiculous. There are a lot of people who post with wildly different styles, they get accepted just fine.
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Posting links for information in a thread meant around posting information is okay.
This is not what happened, and this is not what people got mad about. Stop denying everything when people tell you the reason they got mad.
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People who have done this to him in the past have indeed been instructed by staff not to do so. So you are in the wrong here.
The STAFF is in the wrong. Just because the staff says something doesn't automatically make it right.
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and he is most certainly allowed to ignore people if he wants. Thats just a right everyone has.
No, this isn't what happened, in this case that's antisocial behavior.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ryūku Tsukuyomi on November 30, 2014, 02:36:37 am
I think we should make a "Manga Anime" News topic, this would avoid such problems imo.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 02:38:49 am
we dont moderate antisocial behavior and we dont tolerate bullying. him "acting like the answers dont exist" is not wrong.

i will not repeat myself on this.

him asking if anyone watched a show, getting responses that it sucked, and then saying "well i saw some comments ,im gonna watch it, thanks anyway" does NOT justify your behavior. your behavior is or at least can be seen as elitist; you are grouping up with other people and attacking someone because he doesnt cooperate and align himself with you. you cant frame this in any other way. by your own admission, its because it "irritates" you that he doesnt want to have a  discussion with you or listen to you.

you want to say staff is wrong for telling someone not to attack someone he/she doesnt like, i simply cant work with you on this byakko.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: S.D. on November 30, 2014, 02:40:42 am
Oh my post was moved here.
I don't care anymore, as I said in my PM, the reply you moved (Which I thought you deleted until now) was a bit guaranteed after he lashed out at me for my question, but you also explained your point and the language barrier issue so bleh, Cyan Paul also has some good points at the staff section (One being his terrible skills at dealing with interaction and conversations, for one good reason he just pissed off people who actually replies to his recommendation so there's that) so I'll just agree to disagree, I'm hiding his posts anyways.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 30, 2014, 02:41:17 am
I think we should make a "Manga Anime" News topic, this would avoid such problems imo.

Wouldn't that fall under "the generic entertainment news thread"? (which I think is already getting cluttered with news that can fall under other threads, personally)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 02:43:20 am
btw, i will reiterate the reason he barely responds now is that he was told by upper staff to ignore users who antagonize him over his posting. so he was specifically instructed it was okay for him to ignore you, because nothing good has come of it thus far.

i will agree his lashing out was unwarranted, but up until now he has been ignoring you all to avoid conflict (as he was told)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on November 30, 2014, 02:43:56 am
Omega again, huh?

So, he said he wanted to get opinions on a particular series, which would require being open to people he may not be on good terms with. He gets opinions, and makes a statement that shows he either misunderstood (in which he could've asked again) or failed to acknowledge the comments he got in that very thread. Chances are, the response won't be very kind (especially with his history).

And not seeing where any rules was broken in regards to what triggered everything (the news link thing). No one retorted with outright insults or disparaging of character. If Omega was that annoyed with what anyone posted, he would've used the report function (which he has used before) or said something in response. He eventually did the latter, but not before intervention took place. I recognize his history and whatnot, but the reaction he got was reasonable and none of the reactions were disproportionate.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on November 30, 2014, 02:45:25 am
You're treating this as if it was a one time incident. You don't understand that this is all he ever does.
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you are grouping up with other people and attacking someone who bullies you because he doesnt cooperate and align himself with you.
That's just complete bullshit. No one asked him to do everything like us, you're going to a massive extreme. We're getting mad because he doesn't even understand the common courtesy of acknowledging other people's existence since always (still not talking about an isolated incident here).
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by your own admission, its because it "irritates" you that he doesnt want to have a  discussion with you or listen to you.
You're going in the completely wrong direction. First, people are talking to him like a normal person, then his lack of response is what annoys people. He doesn't ignore people because him talking annoys, them, people get annoyed BECAUSE he won't react when they're trying to talk to him.

And if you told him to ignore everyone, then that was some fucking terrible advice when people are NOT antagonizing him. How do social connections even work when you do that ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Neocide on November 30, 2014, 02:45:41 am
SD has the right idea on the matter, ignoring him is the best way to go. I can understand the initial response, but you keep on going in on it and he obviously isn't changing how he's acting towards it and you just come out looking like a bully. When putting him on ignore could save everyone a headache.

 I mean you guys EVEN KNOW it's not a one time thing, you know what you're getting from him, but you still insist on responding to him and not ignoring. It's like walking by a dog you know will bite you, but you keep going by it every time and telling it to stop, when all it does is keep biting you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: LurkerSupreme on November 30, 2014, 02:46:58 am
I think we should make a "Manga Anime" News topic, this would avoid such problems imo.



It already performs as a "doesn't deserve it's own thread" thread that just has more peppered discussions than usual. That isn't really the problem here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on November 30, 2014, 02:49:17 am
but you keep on going in on it
There's been, like, three or five replies to him in the thread this started in (oh, and they weren't even attacking him, they were making fun of him for one post each until Umezono jumped in). Everything after that was staff trying to tell people to back off after the conversation was finished, just because Omega complained. Don't mix up what's happening here with people "keeping going at it".

Oh yeah, that was a nice one too. Came out of freaking nowhere, talk about aggressive behavior.
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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ryūku Tsukuyomi on November 30, 2014, 02:49:39 am
we dont moderate antisocial behavior and we dont tolerate bullying. him "acting like the answers dont exist" is not wrong.

i will not repeat myself on this.

him asking if anyone watched a show, getting responses that it sucked, and then saying "well i saw some comments ,im gonna watch it, thanks anyway" does NOT justify your behavior. your behavior is or at least can be seen as elitist; you are grouping up with other people and attacking someone because he doesnt cooperate and align himself with you. you cant frame this in any other way. by your own admission, its because it "irritates" you that he doesnt want to have a  discussion with you or listen to you.

Don't put everyone in the same bag, what I was trying to make him understand is why his behavior is a problem. I was not bullying him I was just trying to make him understand why he should think twice before posting and thats what I get:

I said I ignore 3 of them. Go away and sprite your Recoome.

I won't post here anymore.



Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: S.D. on November 30, 2014, 02:50:58 am
btw, i will reiterate the reason he barely responds now is that he was told by upper staff to ignore users who antagonize him over his posting. so he was specifically instructed it was okay for him to ignore you, because nothing good has come of it thus far.
I don't see why you're mentioning this since my point wasn't about him ignoring me (It was pretty clear he was doing that already, and I don't honestly care) but ignoring other users who reply to his recommendation posts and how he also just lashed out at some if them today.
Again whatever, I'm already ignoring him and I'm not losing much (Other than the flow of some conversations) since I check all the sites he tends to repost links from.

I don't think a thread just for anime news is even worth it, the existing thread suffices.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 30, 2014, 02:53:42 am
SD has the right idea on the matter, ignoring him is the best way to go.

You're right, clearly the answer is just to ignore any questions from him. It's either not an earnest question at all or he's already made up his mind anyway. Who wants to risk moderation over the possible appearance of impropriety?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 02:54:24 am
for the last time, he did not specifically ask for opinions, he aske dif anyone had watched it. and if he was referring to the comments or not when he said he wanted to watch it is really of no issue. the responses derailed the thread yet again with the purpose of antagonizing him for his decisions.

considering the fact that nobody owns him or his opinions, and he didnt even specifically ask for opinions, the reaction was indeed disproportionate.
You're treating this as if it was a one time incident. You don't understand that this is all he ever does.
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you are grouping up with other people and attacking someone who bullies you because he doesnt cooperate and align himself with you.
That's just complete bullshit. No one asked him to do everything like us, you're going to a massive extreme. We're getting mad because he doesn't even understand the common courtesy of acknowledging other people's existence since always (still not talking about an isolated incident here).
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by your own admission, its because it "irritates" you that he doesnt want to have a  discussion with you or listen to you.
You're going in the completely wrong direction. First, people are talking to him like a normal person, then his lack of response is what annoys people. He doesn't ignore people because him talking annoys, them, people get annoyed BECAUSE he won't react when they're trying to talk to him.

And if you told him to ignore everyone, then that was some fucking terrible advice when people are NOT antagonizing him. How do social connections even work when you do that ?
And again, the behavior doesnt justify yours, regardless of whether or not he does it a lot.

And again, he is not doing anything wrong by not acknowledging you, especially since staff told him it was okay as people treat him maliciously

He is indeed being antagonized. People continually go 0 to 100 over his harmless posts (like you are doing) as if he is trying to murder someone. Its disproportionate.

we dont moderate antisocial behavior and we dont tolerate bullying. him "acting like the answers dont exist" is not wrong.

i will not repeat myself on this.

him asking if anyone watched a show, getting responses that it sucked, and then saying "well i saw some comments ,im gonna watch it, thanks anyway" does NOT justify your behavior. your behavior is or at least can be seen as elitist; you are grouping up with other people and attacking someone because he doesnt cooperate and align himself with you. you cant frame this in any other way. by your own admission, its because it "irritates" you that he doesnt want to have a  discussion with you or listen to you.

Don't put everyone in the same bag, what I was trying to make him understand is why his behavior is a problem. I was not bullying him I was just trying to make him understand why he should think twice before posting and thats what I get:

I said I ignore 3 of them. Go away and sprite your Recoome.

I won't post here anymore.
You called him a shithead for ignoring people and you are wondering why he was hostile?

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 02:58:36 am
@S.D.: I apologize, I wasnt addressing you, its just a lot of posts are coming in and my responses are getting mixed up
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on November 30, 2014, 03:01:04 am
Dog Days 3rd Season Commercial Features Kuberu, Rebecca.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-11-28/dog-days-3rd-season-commercial-features-kuberu-rebecca/.81557

Did anyone watch the first 2 seasons? I want to follow this once I finish some of the current shows I'm watching.
Oh sweet Jesus, not another season of Dog Days...
It keeps grossing lots of money so they aren't gonna let it go anytime soon.
the staff is talented, tho they are doing that.  and then araki has only directed like 5 series I guess that explains this, he'd rather only direct 5 series than work on stuff like dog days.
I am reading Great comments about the series. That's why I asked about it. I'll definitly check it out. Thanks guys. I appreciate it alot.
I am reading Great comments about the series. That's why I asked about it. I'll definitly check it out. Thanks guys. I appreciate it alot.
So you just keep posting random news about shows you don't know about? Uhh, I thought you were going to stop this.
I am reading Great comments about the series.

I love that you took those comments as a ringing endorsement.
Especially considering that only 3 people answered him and they all basically told him it was worthless. And yet he says "great comments, I'll definitely check it out". Clearly he didn't even read those comments.
he didnt say it was these comments hes reffering to, and theres nothing wrong with his post, kindly get off his back.

edit: woops my phone quoted for me. didnt mean to quote one person, this is for all of you.
he didnt say it was these comments hes reffering to
In other words, he asks questions and then completely ignores all the responses, acting like they didn't even exist. This is all he ever does, that's what's wrong with his posts : he's a bot, posting links, raising false questions, and ignoring all discussions.
(although he tries a bit harder than someone like Segatron, I'll give him that)
Oh I'm quite serious, I absolutely love it. I hope he never changes.
So you just keep posting random news about shows you don't know about? Uhh, I thought you were going to stop this.

Read my previous post. I said I was researching it and that's why I shared it to know more about it. You are not the one to tell me how to post. The things you share arent always interesting too. Do you see me bothering you? Go away man. You have no life as you are always complaining about people.

he didnt say it was these comments hes reffering to, and theres nothing wrong with his post, kindly get off his back.

edit: woops my phone quoted for me. didnt mean to quote one person, this is for all of you.

yes indeed. I did read some articles about the series and asked you guys about it after. I did some research about it but guess what. People write their own stories about posters here. Just let them. I ignore and will keep ignoring such people (3 of them).

In other words, he asks questions and then completely ignores all the responses, acting like they didn't even exist. This is all he ever does, that's what's wrong with his posts : he's a bot, posting links, raising false questions, and ignoring all discussions.
(although he tries a bit harder than someone like Segatron, I'll give him that)

where do you see me ignoring posts buddy? how do you know i ask false questions. Don't talk about me anymore. I ignore "some" of you guys as you guys keep bothering me and a few more people. You guys make fun of people telling them what to do all the way. Stop acting like a king. You guys are telling me about useless posts but you guys are actually the ones with bothering and attacking people.  Who is the bot now?
i dont care what any of you think of his.posting quality, thats your opinion and not fact. theres no rule against any of what he does and his posts are completely harmless. the only issue is you all derailing to attack them. please stop.

for the record, posting about stuff he doesnt know breaks.no rules
rules, ignoring responses breaks no rules, and the raising false questions shit is not an excuse to start derailing and attacking him.

omega please do.not respond. this conversation is over.


You, Umezono, are absolutely the one who jumped the gun. No one attacked him, everyone barely made fun of him. He's the one who got mad, and you joined and defended him when he was the one who was lashing out for absolutely no reason (again, no one attacked him). And you're talking about bullying ? Where exactly was that ? Was it after Omega got pissed at everyone ? Because it certainly isn't in what I quoted. And I quoted everything.

You are in the wrong, Umezono. Don't try too hard to jump in with your staff badge.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Looney Tooney on November 30, 2014, 03:03:44 am
byakko, calm your tits. none is in the wrong here. Omega is just ignorant of you people.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 03:04:50 am
thanks for quoting the whole thread, but i can read. i told you intially to get off his back as the post was harmless and you were all derailing once again to discuss him rather than the thread's focus. then you thought you were so smart as to try and justify why its okay to act like a humungous douchebag, and thats why i started defending the content of his posts.


dont try and backseat moderate too hard byakko, we already have 8 mods and 2 admins. i know its hard to get told what to do but it happens. dont tell me how to do my job just because i told you to stop derailing a thread. and yes, ill happily mod you again if you do it again in that thread, so go ahead and try me if you want.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on November 30, 2014, 03:08:00 am
byakko, calm your tits. none is in the wrong here. Omega is just ignorant of you people.
Lol. I'm pretty sure we're all aware of that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on November 30, 2014, 03:08:45 am
thanks for quoting the whole thread, but i can read. i told you intially to get off his back as the post was harmless and you were all derailing once again to discuss him rather than the thread's focus.
We were talking to YOU. Because YOU jumped in. This still isn't anyone bullying him. But because you jumped in, everyone had to go back and explain what they felt was wrong. So obviously there's going to be a lot of tension all of a sudden !
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dont try and backseat moderate too hard
Again, massive difference between a bunch of people getting irritated at the same thing and backseat moderation. And disagreeing with your moderation is not backseat moderation either, unless you just go and say that no one is allowed to disagree with the staff ever. Which is just plain terrible.


the staff thread said:
Also, isnt he basically srepping aside when he doesnt respond anyway?
You're still flipping around the cause and the effect of the problem.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 03:13:21 am
Yes, I never disputed that. However, I did reiterate several times this was not the place to discuss Omega and it will never be. Which you continually ignored me to continue making your point. And if you posted further quotes, I told Omega not to post either. Not like I was allowing him a soapbox. I told everyone to stop posting and everyone said their piece. I stopped discussion form there to avoid further derailment as is my job and my intention.

If you had actually respected my wishes as moderator, you would not have continued after I first asked everyone to stop. Omega stopped once I warned him and so did SD. You're the only person who feels I was totally in the wrong for stopping a derail.

My intention is not to censor your ill will towards Omega. i just want it the fuck out of irrelevant threads where a guy is just posting relevant links.

I disagree wholeheartedly with all of the bullying that has been going on with him since the beginning, and I felt it was time to draw the line as its both irrelevant and unwarranted. I nipped the problem in the bud like I am supposed to.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on November 30, 2014, 03:16:21 am
considering the fact that nobody owns him or his opinions, and he didnt even specifically ask for opinions, the reaction was indeed disproportionate.

Regardless if it was or wasn't, he quite obviously did something that frustrated people. They believed that he actively disregarded their attempts to speak with him, which most people would believe to be rude. Even if he was instructed to ignore certain members, it's bad social etiquette (much less forum etiquette). Can you really blame anyone for voicing their displeasure?

Maybe the reaction he got was needlessly aggressive (which I don't think it was but opinions). My point is that Omega isn't completely innocent, even if he didn't do it on purpose.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on November 30, 2014, 03:18:02 am
And if you posted further quotes, I told Omega not to post either. Not like I was allowing him a soapbox.
I quoted that one too, it's not like I'm cutting off facts to fit my argument or something.
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I told everyone to stop posting and everyone said their piece. I stopped discussion form there to avoid further derailment as is my job and my intention.
The derailment and the fact that people get pissed at Omega are very different things. Stopping the derailment is fine. Denying that several people have a rightful cause to get angry at someone is something else. The point is that Omega disrupts threads and behaves in an obfuscating way, that's why people get mad at him (or even just make fun of him for only 3 posts and then get told to stop bullying and not be elitist !)

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My intention is not to censor your ill will towards Omega. i just want it the fuck out of irrelevant threads where a guy is just posting relevant links.
There were a whopping total of 3 posts making a JOKE about his posting until HE lashed out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 30, 2014, 03:18:40 am
I'm not entirely sure discussion about it would have continued past Byakko's post. I know I wasn't particularly interested in belaboring the point.

I suppose it's moot at this juncture anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 03:22:06 am
Im gonna keep repeating to you that due the fact he has been in the past attacked by several members, he ignored them, Not just because he was being himself. he was told not to, because he has been attacked in the past quite harshly for this behavior.

I dont respond to everyone in threads I post in, all the time. It doesnt give them license to attack me.
And if you posted further quotes, I told Omega not to post either. Not like I was allowing him a soapbox.
I quoted that one too, it's not like I'm cutting off facts to fit my argument or something.
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I told everyone to stop posting and everyone said their piece. I stopped discussion form there to avoid further derailment as is my job and my intention.
The derailment and the fact that people get pissed at Omega are very different things. Stopping the derailment is fine. Denying that several people have a rightful cause to get angry at someone is something else. The point is that Omega disrupts threads and behaves in an obfuscating way, that's why people get mad at him (or even just make fun of him for only 3 posts and then get told to stop bullying and not be elitist !)

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My intention is not to censor your ill will towards Omega. i just want it the fuck out of irrelevant threads where a guy is just posting relevant links.
There were a whopping total of 3 posts making a JOKE about his posting until HE lashed out.
Byakko, now its you acting like this is an isolated incident. He has been attacked many, many , MANY times in the past. the point has become as stale as chuchoryu thread discussions. I was stopping a problem Ive already seen derail this thread from happening again. Also joke or anger, which is it? You keep changing your intentions.

And no, I do not believe you have a rightful cause to attack him and derail over his conduct in posting links, but as weve had to already establish, its a different issue. Still, your anger towards his behavior does not belong in the thread, joke or not and allowed or not. Its a derail. Its not warranted and not necessary. We can guess how many posts it wouldve continued for, but thats irrelevant. I stop it as soon as it starts. Its probably only 3 posts cause I stopped it and thats my honest opinion on the matter.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Omega on November 30, 2014, 03:23:44 am
This is not an offensive reply. I will just reply once to make my statement. I am not starting wars of fights with this.

I have seen many comments about me and many replies about the way I act and write. I can understand alot of you but when I say "my english lacks", those guys answered with "thats an excuse" in return. I was told months ago to ignore some of those people after I reported some of their replies against me.

People started to copy and paste their links like me and they wrote like me to piss me off and make fun of me. I didn't even gave any reaction and didn't even start arguments and all. People indeed gave me some replies about my posts. I sure admire them. I respect that. When I look at it and see posts about other stuff, it would be like returning to the previous subject of mine and really, people even complained about that back than. I got the "stay on topic" lines from them. Not being able to change colors isn't bad. As the subject continiue's with something I don't know about, I have to leave my own subject. Just for them to stop blaming me.

Also, I disagree with the antisocial part. If you say that duo my lack of sense or lack of enlish than fine. but calling me something wich i'm not is like insulting my life without knowing who I am.

I read lines before like, "you dont even watch shit, you dont know this, you are that, you are an idiot"
when I close my pc, the whole internet doesn't excist for me. I am a die hard bussy person as a arranger and I work my ass off. I also want to say that I finish my mood to reply back sometimes. The reason is that I get directly kicked into the corner without even letting others to reply for my post.

i'll say this once more. The 3 comments I got are not good comments about shows but they are good comments for me. I don't always watch stuff wich everyone likes. and besides my reply was not about those 3 comments. It was general. Because in my previous post I already mentioned that I was checking out more about the anime as it seemed interesting to me. and I asked what guys over here would think. So generally, when i gather all comments inside and outside mugenguild, i realized that there are "more" positive comments about the show.

My sharing and writings are limited yes. I am only here to contribute stuff actually. Nothing else.
I am not the kind of person to start fights. But i was saddened to see direct attacks and i am like "enough is enough" and I was over my limit. Don't get upset. You guys can't just jump in and says "he replies, he is mad" because when i don't reply back you than start saying "he ignores everyone"

I have a bunch of stuff I did and still am watching. I am not here for any of you guys who pick up fights.

I'll say it again. If this makes all of you happy. I'll tell you and all moderators here that I will be more carefull with what I share and say.
but this is not for those who just attack me and some other people.

I apologize only for my own mistakes but, not for something else. Also, this reply isn't send for fights or arguments. Just my point and statement. I repeat: I was told to ignore some of you guys. Not everyone! If I ignored an information or reply, the case is that some of those I already ignore reffers to me in a way I don't like. Like I said. I already sent informed moderators before and reported replies back in the days.

That's that. I won't even look back. I take my own responsibility's and mistakes only. But I don't accept agressive behavior. So i'll keep ignoring those as it was told Me. Thanks for reading. Once again, I won't reply about this subject anymore.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on November 30, 2014, 03:25:47 am
Also joke or anger, which is it? You keep changing your intentions.
People get irritated about his behavior => people make fun of it. This is not contradictory and I'm not changing anything.
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i do not believe you have a rightful cause to attack him
People have a rightful cause to get irritated at his posting style. No one attacked him. You don't see the difference ? You're treating this case as if everyone was yelling at him (and you're doing that because you figured that people were getting annoyed at it). You're talking about bullying and being elitist by crushing people who post differently. But this isn't what happened.



Omega :
after you said your "good comments" post, people made fun of you, but there's no reason you couldn't simply explain "I was talking about other comments I read in other places".
Ignoring replies is bad. I'm not talking about the first three answers to your question. I mean the 3 posts after you said "good comments".

You are the one who knows what you mean. When you see that someone misunderstands you and gets angry at you, it's a terrible thing to let it go without explaining anything. Everyone understands that you may have problems in English. Not everyone on this forum talks a perfect English, and everyone can understand that. If you had simply cleared out the first misunderstanding, it would have been fine, people would have understood.

If you can do that more often, people will start understanding you better, and will stop making fun of you or getting mad at you. I promise. but you have to make an effort.
And ignoring people who are not antagonizing you is a bad thing to do. If someone makes fun of you, you are the only one who can give an explanation. you have to do something. Please help us stop being dicks to you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 03:29:34 am
i stopped it from happening. this is hindsight bias perhaps, but i am indeed referring to a trend. again you have a rightful cause to be irritated, but you do not have a rightful cause to attack him (as in derail the thread to start making fun of him). people werent yelling at him (its the net), but they were antagonizing him yet again. maybe not as ugly as past incidents but it was happening all the same.

the bullying is what happens. this is a trend. this almost always happens when he posts. i was attempting to stop yet another incident from brewing forth.

but i have little else to say on the matter, i feel omega covered the bases on what he does well, and i stopped the derailment as was my intention
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ryūku Tsukuyomi on November 30, 2014, 03:34:25 am
i'll say this once more. The 3 comments I got are not good comments about shows but they are good comments for me. I don't always watch stuff wich everyone likes. and besides my reply was not about those 3 comments. It was general. Because in my previous post I already mentioned that I was checking out more about the anime as it seemed interesting to me. and I asked what guys over here would think. So generally, when i gather all comments inside and outside mugenguild, i realized that there are "more" positive comments about the show.

Then why didn't you mention that in your post? thats why I'm telling you to think twice before posting dude. You might not try to be a bad person but you don't realize we are on a forum and thus can't see your face so we don't know what you really mean simply because we have no indication about how you feel.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 03:36:30 am
He did mention it. He said he saw good comments about the show. If the only comments in MFG are bad, that should imply he saw them elsewhere
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on November 30, 2014, 03:39:42 am
He did mention it. He said he saw good comments about the show. If the only comments in MFG are bad, that should imply he saw them elsewhere
We were talking about trends a second ago. The trend is that he misunderstands what people tell him, doesn't listen, and spam links without caring for any discussion. Since this is a trend, should we have assumed that he meant something different just this time ? Or should we have believed he was just about to do the same as he always does, and assumed the worst ?
The only answer to this is that he's the only one who knows what he meant. He's the only one who can explain and make things clear. Even if he doesn't speak or understand English too well, if he at least tries, it can get across. We're not savages, if he wants to communicate, there will be people to listen to him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ryūku Tsukuyomi on November 30, 2014, 03:40:32 am
He did mention it. He said he saw good comments about the show. If the only comments in MFG are bad, that should imply he saw them elsewhere

He probably should have mention seeing other comments from elsewhere. The way he usually post made us think he was just ignoring us once again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 03:44:02 am
But, that comment really couldnt have been misconstrued imo. It was straight forward and the implications were clear to anyone with basic reading comprehension. You know as well as I do I am aware of the trends and his tendency to miscommunicate/misinterpret however even considering that, my first reaction to that post was to construe it as he saw those comments elsewhere. Its just using my reading comprehension. There is an offensive implication that you would think him stupid enough to construe really bad posts as glowing criticism, this is your misinterpretation not his.

BTW, its not spam to share links a lot, it happens in a lot of other threads.

He did mention it. He said he saw good comments about the show. If the only comments in MFG are bad, that should imply he saw them elsewhere

He probably should have mention seeing other comments from elsewhere. The way he usually post made us think he was just ignoring us once again.
Ehhh, I really think that post wasnt that hard to understand, not everything has to be spelled out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 03:48:00 am
Well seeing as this has died down and been resolved I'll back off for the night, Byakko if you want to continue feel free to PM me, I always respond to PMs.

EDIT: I will respond to your below post via PM, didnt catch it in time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on November 30, 2014, 03:48:00 am
But, that comment really couldnt have been misconstrued imo. It was straight forward and the implications were clear to anyone with basic reading comprehension. You know as well as I do I am aware of the trends and his tendency to miscommunicate/misinterpret however even considering that, my first reaction to that post was to construe it as he saw those comments elsewhere. Its just using my reading comprehension. There is an offensive implication that you would think him stupid enough to construe really bad posts as glowing criticism, this is your misinterpretation not his.
Again, that's what he does all the time. This post by itself is understandable, but, even though you are apparently smart enough to see that this one time was different from all the previous times, the more logical assumption is that he was doing the same as usual. I mean, didn't you do the same when assuming we were all about to bash him ? Even when there was nothing more than 3 posts making a joke ? Because when I go back and read the three posts that made fun of his posting style, I see three harmless jokes that simply stopped there and weren't going to go any further. Which is it ?

Quote
BTW, its not spam to share links a lot, it happens in a lot of other threads.
Other people post other things as well, and at least a few times every now and then participate in the discussion that ensues. Bots post links and do nothing else.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on November 30, 2014, 04:24:25 am
We always go back to Omega's bad English. It just occurred to me: we haven't told him he should try posting in his native language along with his English. Though it wouldn't help him understand some English replies better it may help communication a bit with others that understand the language.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 01, 2014, 05:36:42 am
god , let it not be spanish.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on December 01, 2014, 06:14:53 am
I know, right?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on December 01, 2014, 07:12:37 am
Sadly, he is right
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on December 01, 2014, 03:32:51 pm
I agree u_u
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on December 04, 2014, 08:38:54 am
If I may be so bold to ask for my curse status to be removed.
Really I'd just like to be able to change my display name.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on December 04, 2014, 11:57:04 am
Leave mikecrazy's ban for two years, he only spams, doesn't listen to moderators and administrators and he also tried to communicate with the reports while he was banned. He continued to use the same excuse that he's new, but he's been here for an year!

In two years hopefully he'll learn how to write and read (didn't he go to school?) and he'll get some common sense.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on December 04, 2014, 04:00:16 pm
If I may be so bold to ask for my curse status to be removed.
Really I'd just like to be able to change my display name.
Granted.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on December 04, 2014, 05:09:05 pm
Awesome, thanks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 05, 2014, 03:50:10 am
Leave mikecrazy's ban for two years, he only spams, doesn't listen to moderators and administrators and he also tried to communicate with the reports while he was banned. He continued to use the same excuse that he's new, but he's been here for an year!

In two years hopefully he'll learn how to write and read (didn't he go to school?) and he'll get some common sense.

Don't you think that's a tad overkill for a first ban? :uhoh:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 05, 2014, 05:33:33 am
If he is under 13 then he's technically breaking the terms of service unless his parents have given the OK, which can't really be verified.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on December 05, 2014, 05:50:56 am
Well he's def not, thanks to Iced's dirty spy movie techniques we have verified that guy is well over the age limit
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ViBeZ on December 29, 2014, 04:48:14 pm
that guy is well over the age limit

Oh that's uum. Nice...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on January 30, 2015, 09:10:28 am
don't think that was navana, he's not that stupid to keep trying the same obvious typing format, especially since last time he joined as Judgement Day he attempted something different and went unnoticed until he confessed despite making it pretty obvious.

honestly it could just be another guy who uses a similar persona, which I doubt will go well here regardless of it being navana or not but I don't think y'all should ban someone like that right away, guy seems shady sure but we do have our fair share of odd members here. :/
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on January 30, 2015, 09:28:45 am
don't think that was navana, he's not that stupid to keep trying the same obvious typing format
So are you saying it's okay for someone to act like Navana as long as it's not Navana himself?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on January 30, 2015, 01:36:14 pm
don't think that was navana, he's not that stupid to keep trying the same obvious typing forma-
Yes he is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 30, 2015, 05:20:05 pm
You'd be surprised how blatant some people can be. I've dealt with a Serbian kid who constantly goes out of his way to nonsensically harass staff over a ban on a set of servers he got months ago, and makes no attempt to hide his evasions
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on January 30, 2015, 06:07:09 pm
Hey guys, why was this thread locked?

http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/entertainment-news-that-dont-deserve-their-own-thread-130545.0.html
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 30, 2015, 06:12:26 pm
duck ass locked it by accident when he tried to lock his thread
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on January 30, 2015, 06:14:56 pm
Oh good. It wasn't me. It was Fubini.

There needs to be a button to turn on and off mod functions. That'd be wonderful for browsing on the phone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on January 30, 2015, 06:53:18 pm
*checks mod log*

Sorry, I never meant to do that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 04, 2015, 05:33:10 am
don't think that was navana, he's not that stupid to keep trying the same obvious typing format
So are you saying it's okay for someone to act like Navana as long as it's not Navana himself?

I'm pretty sure he's saying it's not okay to ban evade.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TrinitroRoy on February 14, 2015, 07:01:38 pm
BTW, since MFG now has post limitations, maybe we could give people, who were banned prior to the post limitation because of the lack of post limitations back then, another chance.
Maybe we could start with RobotMonkeyHead then. I'm having conversations with him at MFFA, and he seems like he wont cause much trouble anymore like he did in the past. Something to think about...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 14, 2015, 07:02:13 pm
RobotMonkeyHead
No.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 14, 2015, 07:07:22 pm
fuck no
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 14, 2015, 07:51:27 pm
If they're still banned there's probably a good reason
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GLB on February 15, 2015, 01:16:47 am
Hasn't he already had more than one chance?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 15, 2015, 01:23:52 am
He was one of the 1st on the progressive ban system. IIRC he had actually made it to a 2 year ban before Caddie went ahead and perma banned him.
He had SEVERAL chances.

It's really hard to get perma banned here. If you do you earned it.

Post limits are for users that just can't seem to control themselves while posting. In most cases it's for "bad" posting or a user prone to temper tantrums/run on drama.

Not for users like RMH that intentionally posted in disruptive manners.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 15, 2015, 04:50:48 am
fuck no
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mgbenz on February 15, 2015, 04:56:56 am
Why is he of all people even asking that? Did RMH ask him for it?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 15, 2015, 04:58:49 am
probably
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 15, 2015, 06:04:30 am
Maybe we could start with RobotMonkeyHead then. I'm having conversations with him at MFFA, and he seems like he wont cause much trouble anymore like he did in the past. Something to think about...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TrinitroRoy on February 15, 2015, 10:06:03 am
He was one of the 1st on the progressive ban system. IIRC he had actually made it to a 2 year ban before Caddie went ahead and perma banned him.
He had SEVERAL chances.

It's really hard to get perma banned here. If you do you earned it.

Post limits are for users that just can't seem to control themselves while posting. In most cases it's for "bad" posting or a user prone to temper tantrums/run on drama.

Not for users like RMH that intentionally posted in disruptive manners.
So...if we're gonna go that route, does it mean that Speed Phantom can get a chance of being unbanned then? Because he literally was only permabanned (even before the progressive ban system existed) just because he posted too much, but with the post limitations, he wont be able to anymore, so he wont be annoying anymore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on February 15, 2015, 10:06:37 am
I suggest RMH is limited to 0 posts per day. 0 PMs as well. 0 is a good limit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 15, 2015, 10:12:18 am
So...if we're gonna go that route, does it mean that Speed Phantom can get a chance of being unbanned then? Because he literally was only permabanned (even before the progressive ban system existed) just because he posted too much, but with the post limitations, he wont be able to anymore, so he wont be annoying anymore.
Speed has been banned for longer than I've been here. Do you really think unbanning would make a difference at this point. :U
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on February 15, 2015, 11:11:25 am
I'm sure that if someone wanted to be unbanned they'd contact a staff member on this forum, they don't need you pulling names out of a hat.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 15, 2015, 11:16:21 am
What jango said.
Perma banned users from before my current administration need to contact someone from staff and we will review their ban.
We won't be digging through the ban list rethinking every banned user.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on February 15, 2015, 11:18:31 am
BTW, since MFG now has post limitations, maybe we could give people, who were banned prior to the post limitation because of the lack of post limitations back then, another chance.
Maybe we could start with RobotMonkeyHead then. I'm having conversations with him at MFFA, and he seems like he wont cause much trouble anymore like he did in the past. Something to think about...

So...if we're gonna go that route, does it mean that Speed Phantom can get a chance of being unbanned then? Because he literally was only permabanned (even before the progressive ban system existed) just because he posted too much, but with the post limitations, he wont be able to anymore, so he wont be annoying anymore.

You need to get better internet friends, fast.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TrinitroRoy on February 15, 2015, 01:49:34 pm
BTW, since MFG now has post limitations, maybe we could give people, who were banned prior to the post limitation because of the lack of post limitations back then, another chance.
Maybe we could start with RobotMonkeyHead then. I'm having conversations with him at MFFA, and he seems like he wont cause much trouble anymore like he did in the past. Something to think about...

So...if we're gonna go that route, does it mean that Speed Phantom can get a chance of being unbanned then? Because he literally was only permabanned (even before the progressive ban system existed) just because he posted too much, but with the post limitations, he wont be able to anymore, so he wont be annoying anymore.

You need to get better internet friends, fast.
What do you mean? I don't even know Speed Phantom. The only thing I know about him is all the stuff I found about him in the Hall of Fame section, that's all.
However, I do know RobotMonkeyHead, since he is visiting MFFA regularly. And to be honest, while he said himself that he doesn't regret anything he did, he at least doesn't repeat all that at MFFA.
However, I can understand, if you guys don't want to take any risks, so I guess I'll just stop right here and just move on...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on February 15, 2015, 01:53:50 pm
Didn't he have a "bone to pick" with the mods? If he has no issues with staff at MFFA then of course he wouldn't go crazy over there.

Generally I'm all for second chances but let him speak for himself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 15, 2015, 03:39:55 pm
Someone wanna explain to me who Speed Phantom is? Before even MY time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 15, 2015, 03:52:15 pm
Quote
he said himself that he doesn't regret anything he did, he at least doesn't repeat all that at MFFA.
so you want to unban someone who doesnt regret anything he did. what exactly would prevent what he did happening again that made you think it was a good idea to unban him.

Really I want to hear the logic behind this one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 15, 2015, 03:58:05 pm
Trin's kind of gullible like that apparently.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 15, 2015, 04:36:30 pm
What jango said.
Perma banned users from before my current administration need to contact someone from staff and we will review their ban.
We won't be digging through the ban list rethinking every banned user.
#freekfm
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on February 15, 2015, 05:05:28 pm
Fuck, you beat me to it!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 15, 2015, 11:37:59 pm
#freeadbots
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on February 16, 2015, 12:18:37 am
Trinitronity, why do you care about permabanned users to begin with (like this Speed Phantom guy)? You said it, you don't even know Speed Phantom, he probably doesn't know you. So who cares?

And as for RMH, what Iced said. If he doesn't regret doing those things here, why should he be unbanned? Chances are that if he gets unbanned and he starts partaking in some discussions, he might end up like last time, inciting a fight or an argument no one wants. Then considering all of the drama a "social experiment".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 16, 2015, 12:33:07 am
^ Crap, thanks for reminding me.

I forgot to mention it in my previous post, but I talked this over with Trin in the MFFA chat and convinced him to calm down about this. There shouldn't be any more cause for concern or the like regarding this subject.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 16, 2015, 12:36:54 am
he didnt seem nervous that he would need calming down or his requests so aggravating that it would cause any sort of  concern. I for one am still interested in knowing his logic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on February 16, 2015, 12:51:47 am
Regardless, it likely won't continue now.

There wasn't much reasoning behind what he did other than (as he said) having nothing better to do. I pretty much just convinced him to find something better to do with his time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 21, 2015, 12:13:07 am
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2093812
@Just No Point:
remember when I reported this? http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/introductions-and-guides-hello-165624.0.html
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 21, 2015, 12:44:55 am
Nope! I mean, now I do but I had completely forgotten about it :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 21, 2015, 12:58:42 am
It's okay.
One thing to think about: look at their deviantart accounts. You will notice a ton of similarities. And no, you don't need to look at their drawings.

And a strange coincidence:
(http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/v/i/vinisback.png?11) VinIsBack/BeanFan112 deviant avatar
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2wo9hn9.png) Wlanmania's MFG avatar

and also the same posting style in this forum.

Edit: they were the same image.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 21, 2015, 01:09:53 am
Also note how Wlan had a Mr. Bean WIP and was always announcing "BeanFan's" characters. Nobody else.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on March 21, 2015, 01:32:35 am
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2089226 <-- and he nominated two Beanfan characters for February's COTM.

Now granted I nominated Pupa because I'm a piece of shit, but then he started trying to get other people to nominate Beanfan's characters in the thread (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2089287) until he got called out on it, and in the end he was the only person to nominate those characters.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 21, 2015, 03:23:16 am
The COTM thing sold me more than anything. Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: jaede_ on March 21, 2015, 03:48:26 am
And no, you don't need to look at their drawings.

Except looking at the drawings and things in the account it shows several <albeit at first glance not very noticable> differencies: Shading style, character creation quality <typical Beanfan missing crouch and air normals>, beanfan never uploads things drawn on paper, what they're into <Beanfan's more pronounced>, and small quirks in personality. I don't think the accounts should be merged, they just seem to promote each other a lot from observation of these guys for a long while <around 2 years>
EDIT: I'd say we need much more posting evidence to support the claims.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on March 21, 2015, 04:11:21 pm
Except looking at the drawings and things in the account it shows several <albeit at first glance not very noticable> differencies: Shading style
One word: Sigurd. That is all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 27, 2015, 04:23:20 am
ok, who locked the QOTD thread?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 27, 2015, 04:27:33 am
Not anymore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 27, 2015, 04:56:07 am
Dammit Fubini!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on March 27, 2015, 12:48:02 pm
:omg:

Attachements and other options is to be blamed. Shit's got a mind of its own.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 27, 2015, 03:35:19 pm
its okay fubini i often do that shit on mobile lol
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 27, 2015, 03:36:10 pm
Same. I checked to make sure it wasn't me =p
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 27, 2015, 03:41:41 pm
There's a reason I don't do modwork on my phone :V
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 27, 2015, 04:28:22 pm
Just browsing is my biggest issue. I try to hit a link under "sticky" or "locked" and instead hit said button.
Sometimes I don't even notice.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 27, 2015, 04:29:12 pm
Yeah, you're so used to a full-sized interface and now you have a tiny one where you have to navigate with your thumbs
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on March 27, 2015, 10:53:28 pm
i always browsed logged off, that shit was way too risky to use on a laggy phone
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 27, 2015, 11:00:51 pm
fuck no

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vgma2 on March 27, 2015, 11:33:58 pm
Over a month late pal.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on April 24, 2015, 11:01:50 am
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2101756
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 24, 2015, 11:11:58 am
Well, at the end of the day, if there really are two different people who want to do different things, they might as well have separate accounts. I'm not a fan of two different people speaking for themselves in the same account and just signing with their name at the end of the post (well, I'm not against it, but I'm not a fan). The only reason to have a single account would be if they really didn't intend to do anything separately and just presented their common work as a single "entity", with one site, one Youtube account, one name - one "brand", so to speak. (that may be the case, I haven't looked into any of their posts) And it would be halted when they start talking to each other with the same account.

Of course, that's only if they really are two different people. Same as the "it's my brother" thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on June 07, 2015, 06:38:56 pm
I'm writing this here because I don't know where to put this: my antivirus (Kaspersky) tells me Roman55 (http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/roman55-71173)'s avatar and signature are malicious.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on June 07, 2015, 06:54:40 pm
Went to direct links on his profile images. Nothing popped up for me. Seems to be a false alarm.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on June 10, 2015, 04:32:32 am
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2123472

Yeah I'm going to admit that it threw me off too. I remember going to the CotM board, then seeing "oh, there's no May voting up yet" then leaving. I wouldn't have even known it was in MUGEN Discussion if it wasn't in the sidebar― and topics don't show up there all the time.


It seriously makes more sense to have it in the CotM board where I expect to find it along with everything else relating to it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 10, 2015, 04:36:27 am
maybe move the thread to COTM and make a "Hey voting is up!!" thread in mugen discussion
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on June 10, 2015, 04:38:53 am
We could update that thread every time a voting topic is made and sticky that shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on June 10, 2015, 05:06:12 am
I thought the deal with the "CotM threads in MUGEN Discussion" was that there would be a dummy topic in the CotM board proper with a link to the thread with the actual poll in it (that is in the Discussion thread), and then when voting ended the dummy topic would be deleted and the thread with the poll in it would be moved back to the CotM board? It's not too late to do that now for this month, I guess.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on June 10, 2015, 05:07:16 am
If that's the case, they didn't make a dummy topic for May's CotM. Just sounds like a bunch of unnecessary work.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on June 10, 2015, 05:25:47 am
I guess the absolute worst-case scenario is that it just ends up as busywork and doesn't accomplish any more voting/nominations; but if it does in fact contribute even a tiny bit more interest in the contest, then why not?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on June 10, 2015, 05:35:14 am
I don't really see it gaining CotM a lot of visibility, especially considering it threw off regulars (JZ and I) and makes no sense from a logical standpoint. We could just go with the "topic in Mugen Discussion linking to most current CotM voting" idea and have the supposed pros with none of the cons and less busywork to boot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on June 10, 2015, 05:38:06 am
That's exactly what I was talking about, it's the system I thought was in place!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on June 10, 2015, 05:42:24 am
You had the boards reversed, and the suggestion I modified from Titiln didn't involve topic moving or deletion.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on June 10, 2015, 05:45:46 am
Ah, well, that would work too I guess.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on June 10, 2015, 06:04:35 am
I'm not opposed to trying anything with it really. Worst case scenario is that it doesn't help.

I do want to mention 1 positive of the actual thread being in Mugen Discussion during voting/nominations is that it bumps the topic more as people post their votes. It keeps it seen longer on the index being in the main board than in a sub board.

So might it be better to put the sticky re direct link in COTM instead for that reason? If you all feel like it'd still be best the opposite way that's what we'll do. Just throwing that out there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on June 10, 2015, 06:30:31 am
Maybe promote the COTM board so that it's not a child board of MUGEN Discussion? I dunno.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on June 10, 2015, 06:31:46 am
Then we could just sticky the actual voting topic in CotM on top of what I suggested. Bam. The voting topic is stickied and the voting redirect topic is stickied. Neither topic will be buried. Far less confusion. Etc.

EDIT:
Maybe promote the COTM board so that it's not a child board of MUGEN Discussion? I dunno.
Or this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on June 10, 2015, 02:22:11 pm
Maybe promote the COTM board so that it's not a child board of MUGEN Discussion? I dunno.
This is the simplest solution. We'll try this for a bit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on June 10, 2015, 04:25:35 pm
Not worth it imo, since it only has one active thread at the time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on June 10, 2015, 05:19:17 pm
keep it hidden, minor ego stroking is not that important; unless the idea is to keep it up only when the voting is active, then hide it back.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 11, 2015, 06:07:27 pm
can [spoiler][spoiler] get wordfiltered because im sick of people doing that zany shit
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on June 11, 2015, 07:02:31 pm
+1
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on June 11, 2015, 08:24:23 pm
Can't seem to do it. The spoiler tag is applied before the filter. The filter can only be applied/seen if you try to edit the post.
Quote to see what I'd tried to do with it.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on June 11, 2015, 08:26:59 pm
Also it'd risk breaking stuff if someone does [spoiler ][ spoiler]text[/spoiler ]more text[/ spoiler] or the other way around. It's annoying, but if anything has to be done, it can't be through word filter, I guess.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on June 20, 2015, 05:20:58 am
Anyone speak Bengali? I need someone to help me translate a message to another user to hopefully help them understand better.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 20, 2015, 01:36:22 pm
I think Websta or Wattaryu was Bengali I forget which
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: FirePony on June 20, 2015, 01:52:05 pm
WattaRyu.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AuMiO VXC on July 21, 2015, 08:20:59 pm
Is here anyone who have a really good knowledge about Video Games characters (especially Hero character)?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 21, 2015, 08:21:53 pm
do you know what this thread is about
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on July 21, 2015, 11:35:39 pm
snip
Nice try, but don't delete your posts like that. Restored.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on July 22, 2015, 01:47:44 am
should've let him save face this time
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on July 22, 2015, 01:52:50 am
Especially since it was a good thing that the post was removed. It's not forbidden to delete your post when you realize you misplaced it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on July 22, 2015, 01:58:38 am
Breaking the flow of the thread is an issue. I already discussed the purpose of this thread with him via PM; no bad blood.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 22, 2015, 02:44:50 am
In the future it'd be better to delete the reply following. Mistakes happen.

Glad you PMed him and talked it over though.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on July 22, 2015, 04:16:33 am
I'll keep that in mind, then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on July 25, 2015, 11:17:31 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2140804
(posting in the Information board)
If you mean the guy who posted a topic about palettes one or two days ago, it's the old "create something in a public board, then move and leave the default option for the target board, and bam, you have a topic in information board" trick. He initially posted it in the right section (it was in the add-ons section) then moved it to Information for some reason, and left a "Moved:" topic in the original section too. It's in the dump (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2140387) now, someone must have noticed.
That issue has been around for a while, people move stuff in Information by mistake / lack of attention / they have no idea what they're doing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 25, 2015, 11:33:51 pm
Perhaps find a way to make moving things to Information a mod-only thing? I'm sure there's a way
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 25, 2015, 11:41:39 pm
I figured that may be it at 1st.
I looked to see if I could find the thread moved in the Moderation log. I checked 2 pages worth. It either didn't show it or I missed it. Or it was even older than 2 pages back.

There's no restrictions that we can set for thread moving. Val would probably have to tweak something and it's not really super often it happens.
This is the 1st time we mistook it for a permissions issue.

I should have just checked the user's post history instead.

EDIT: Yep. Looking at the post history it's right there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 26, 2015, 12:54:25 am
Speaking of which, might as well do it for the Hall of Fame too, lest we have Drewski move another thread there

Also...
http://mugenguild.com/forum/fullgame-development.365
Is it possible to lock this specific forum like with Information but not the subforums? I ask because there's a thread of Titiln's asking people NOT to make threads there and well, some newbies still confuse it as a board to post about your fullgame/compilation.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 02, 2015, 01:04:31 am
I think I made it where users can no longer make new threads in the Full Games board. Just reply to what's there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 02, 2015, 02:23:09 am
Checked, the new topic option is still there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 02, 2015, 02:32:39 am
Not for me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 02, 2015, 02:42:03 am
OK that's really weird. IDK what's going on then. :inquisitive:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 02, 2015, 02:55:27 am
I made it so "regular users" can't post. I always forget what all groups are based on this. Contributor isn't. COTM Winner is. Fixed (I think)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 02, 2015, 02:56:29 am
Seems to be all working now
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on August 17, 2015, 01:12:25 am
On the subject of the Shimoneta avatars/sigs

1. There's a reason I don't check Guild at work unless it's on my phone and I'm on break time and it's not because of avatars/sigs.
2. There's a way to disable viewing of avatars if they bug you that much.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 17, 2015, 01:20:56 am
It's just like right at the threshold really. Saying you can turn them off if they bug you could apply to hate and full porn avatars too.

My 1st instinct is that they are fine TBH. But that's just myself. I only check the site at work during breaks and lunch and I could see some questions coming from those images if someone walked by. And we have a lot of young uns headed back to school too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bea on August 17, 2015, 01:22:37 am
There is no option to disable the avatar of a single user, though, only all avatars.
I do enjoy seeing avatars, but I fail to see why people should be allowed to use certain kinds of avatars on a PG-13 forum.

Usually, NSFW or risqué content is posted under a spoiler tag, and is up to the user discretion to open the spoiler or not.
No such thing with risqué avatars.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 17, 2015, 01:28:21 am
I always figured if it needs to be spoilered, it isn't avatar/signature material. I personally like seeing avatars as well tbh.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on August 17, 2015, 01:31:53 am
It's just like right at the threshold really. Saying you can turn them off if they bug you could apply to hate and full porn avatars too.

My 1st instinct is that they are fine TBH. But that's just myself. I only check the site at work during breaks and lunch and I could see some questions coming from those images if someone walked by. And we have a lot of young uns headed back to school too.

That is going to happen with any of the big boobed anime chick avatars we're used to see around here as well :P

It's rather ironic to see an avatar from an anime about censorship in the society being censored right now :llama:

I always figured if it needs to be spoilered, it isn't avatar/signature material. I personally like seeing avatars as well tbh.

Yeah but the conflict happens when people draw the line differently. I don't see it as something that should be spoilered yet other people do.

That... also sounds like a theme the anime itself touches upon, welp!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 17, 2015, 01:38:48 am
if you're in a work environment and you don't want people to think you're looking at dumb shit you should probably disable all avatars and signatures. nobody will think you're doing anything work related if you're looking at a page with 20 scrolling gokus and animes. if certain images bother you just adblock them GOD KNOWS I HAVE!!!!!!!!

i agree that avatars should be safe for work but bastard wolf's looked inoffensive to me. it's not like it's someone jerking a huge cock
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 17, 2015, 01:39:08 am
You could always adblock a specific av/sig but at the same time I feel that's really extreme. :S

EDIT: partially  :ninja:'d
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 17, 2015, 01:40:37 am
what's so extreme about a couple clicks. takes way less time than making a post
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2015, 01:44:42 am
In the show moral groups come and burn anything erotic and take away to prison people that use rude words in an allegory of fahrenheit 451. its the same as not having nsfw sigs and avatars in a board that has 12 year olds, just the same.


Expecting the minors in the site to be able to adblock specific images that might be improper for them is hilariously farfetched. I personally disable all avatars and sigs, but only because I learnt eventually to not trust most people's tastes around here.
Consider if you would be able to show it to your parents, if you wouldn't, you probably shouldnt be using it as an avatar or signature.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 17, 2015, 01:48:39 am
The thing with adblocking is that it requires the user to see the incriminating avatar, then block it. If you're already at work/school and you're just scrolling through a page and suddenly this comes up, you might not react fast enough. You can't do it for everything first.
a board that has 12 year olds
Not according to the rules it doesn't !
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 17, 2015, 01:50:21 am
Can't do it on your phone at all. That I know of.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2015, 01:52:27 am
Not according to the rules it doesn't !

!!! Okay, some are just mentally 12 year olds.
(http://i.imgur.com/0c9ELcD.gif)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on August 17, 2015, 01:53:05 am
In the show moral groups come and burn anything erotic and take away to prison people that use rude words in an allegory of fahrenheit 451. its the same as not having nsfw sigs and avatars in a board that has 12 year olds, just the same.

Only because you don't have enough power to do that... Yet!

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Expecting the minors in the site to be able to adblock specific images that might be improper for them is hilariously farfetched. I personally disable all avatars and sigs, but only because I learnt eventually to not trust most people's tastes around here.
Consider if you would be able to show it to your parents, if you wouldn't, you probably shouldnt be using it as an avatar or signature.

Oh please, my mother saw me playing Skullgirls once. Nothing beats that :llama:

The thing with adblocking is that it requires the user to see the incriminating avatar, then block it. If you're already at work/school and you're just scrolling through a page and suddenly this comes up, you might not react fast enough. You can't do it for everything first.

And here I thought people went to school to study and to work to... work!

Remind me to never hire any of you >:(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on August 17, 2015, 01:55:44 am
i completely forgot about adblocking, while i dont expect people to be able to readily adblock, i guess if there is enough gray area id change my stance to recommending its use on "borderline" images rather than outright removing them, but if enough people are complaining and its obviously racy im certainly not opposed to making that judgement and removing it.

it's usually done without incident anyways (as in the user with the avatar readily agrees) even in cases where the art isn't really that bad. someone with an actual screenshot of nonon from kill la kill wearing skimpy clothing had his avatar reported and subsequently removed without much incident. i didn't think it was that bad but this was before I was a mod. i personally would not have removed it.

however this "shimoneta" thing is depicting a sex act and i can see why people would rightfully want it removed without having to give up other avatars. nsfw doesnt mean "not allowed at work," the consequences for getting caught with borderline porn/racy images is much worse than someone seeing goku on your screen.

i dont see this as a case of censorship- for one everything is up to the discretion of the staff, second i dont think there is any message being conveyed and third its not like avatar privileges are being revoked so if you want anime in your sig just choose a less racy picture.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GLB on August 17, 2015, 01:56:14 am
I personally feel like if you're concerned visiting the site in a work/school environment and you're surrounded by people that could suddenly walk up and catch you looking at something they'd question, then you should probably just not go on it during work/school hours, or temporarily disable avatars and signatures.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 17, 2015, 02:03:55 am
yeah it's difficult to adblock in a work environment (sometimes you can't even use adblock at all) so it's better to turn off sigs and avatars.

don't take the censorship analogy that literally, both things (the anime and this discussion) are about censorship so it's funny to make the connection. if 12 year olds are the threshold then a shitload of signatures and avatars have to go and the rules have to be rewritten to not allow any material above pg-13 without any spoilers (jokes about masturbation are a-ok in pg-13 movies so they can stay). all threads about games rated M or movies rated R need spoiling and several warnings. i don't think anyone wants to go there. i agree with the notion about safe avatars and signatures, but bastard wolf's avatar is a pretty bad example

i dont see this as a case of censorship
it absolutely is censorship, not anywhere close to the same level as burning all comic books but it's censorship nonetheless. it's not a huge deal, but it fits the definition.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on August 17, 2015, 02:08:32 am
true, that was dumb of me. just seems in a forum where we already moderate content based on its appropriateness, this is more an issue of good judgement and cooperativeness then blanket censorship. if members feel that strongly about it tho ill certainly view it as such.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 17, 2015, 02:12:28 am
I do see it as censorship. I don't personally agree with it on my personal level. An animated gif of a girl air wanking is just a bit much for broader forum activity.

Users going into a MK thread will for the most part know what they could see. But animated air wanking girl could show up on any thread.
It's simply not something we've come across often. Somewhere there was a line before going into NSFW avatars. Seems that is it.

I didn't see the avatar as a big deal. But I also didn't see removing it as such either.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 17, 2015, 02:19:47 am
that's true about mortal kombat, because most people recognize the name, but you can't say that for games and movies that aren't as recognizable.

the forum already censors things like smoke posting crude drawings of cocks or someone posting goatse. it's censorship but it's a level of censorship most people don't mind because it makes the forum readable under most conditions. i don't like this next level because if this is the precedent then a lot of things have to go. i don't want my 12 year old son reading jokes about the world trade center attacks and that could get taken out of context really badly in a work environment
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 17, 2015, 02:26:45 am
I just don't feel the text or still images are as powerful as the animated ones we're discussing. Those kind of images are generally put in NSFW spoilers in forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on August 17, 2015, 02:29:57 am
You could always adblock a specific av/sig but at the same time I feel that's really extreme. :S

EDIT: partially  :ninja:'d

there is this (https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/6050-taybear)

you can replace any avatars with the best avatar on the forum: Veanko's

I use it all the time for avatars that piss me off.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on August 17, 2015, 02:31:11 am
I would tell you to bring val back so he can add a spoiler feature for avatars but the idea is so ridiculous you'll probably figure out that I'm just tricking you into bringing him back so he can finally add the damn YT tag button >_>
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2015, 02:33:38 am
if Red didnt have the best avatar right now I wouldve replaced it with veanko avatar.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on August 17, 2015, 02:37:14 am
You could always adblock a specific av/sig but at the same time I feel that's really extreme. :S

EDIT: partially  :ninja:'d

there is this (https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/6050-taybear)

you can replace any avatars with the best avatar on the forum: Veanko's

I use it all the time for avatars that piss me off.

Can someone make a list with all of Personman's avatar URLs so I can add them to the list?  :juggle:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on August 17, 2015, 02:38:45 am
Can someone make a list with all of Personman's avatar URLs so I can add them to the list?  :juggle:

same with OG's sigs pls
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DMK on August 17, 2015, 02:42:41 am
So what is the straight up stance then? Nothing obviously lewd unless cropped appropriately or just nothing going over a PG-13ish idea?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zemilia on August 17, 2015, 02:43:02 am
Hope this doesn't "disrupt", but I kind of want to put in my 2 cents here since I'm confused on the whole matter: So in terms of this whole "censorship" thing, someone can get in trouble if they have an avatar/sig of a sexual innuendo (which I think it's a joke, if it is in the anime), yet someone's fine if they have an avatar/sig of a girl showing rather too much skin.

Only reason why I'm asking this is because Bastard Wolf got in trouble for having an avatar of a girl jerking off air and WalrusLui having a sig of the same girl humping a table, yet I'm a-okay with an avatar/sig of Black Rock Shooter in general, even though her main outfit is a jacket, bra, and shorts.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 17, 2015, 02:46:16 am
No one got in trouble :p

And the main deciding factor for me is the animated action. That was the thing that pushed the avatar/sigs into questionable.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2015, 02:46:37 am
Hope this doesn't "disrupt", but I kind of want to put in my 2 cents here since I'm confused on the whole matter: So in terms of this whole "censorship" thing, someone can get in trouble if they have an avatar/sig of a sexual innuendo (which I think it's a joke, if it is in the anime), yet someone's fine if they have an avatar/sig of a girl showing rather too much skin.

Only reason why I'm asking this is because Bastard Wolf got in trouble for having an avatar of a girl jerking off air and WalrusLui having a sig of the same girl humping a table, yet I'm a-okay with an avatar/sig of Black Rock Shooter in general, even though her main outfit is a jacket, bra, and shorts.
A full dressed girl pretending she is wanking a dick and humping a table is not the same thing as a girl with a bikini. I dont understand your confusion. Do girls usually hump you when you go to the beach?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on August 17, 2015, 02:47:38 am
yes
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 17, 2015, 02:49:20 am
JZ obviously!
You know your an exception so cut us folk that don't get beach humped some slack!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on August 17, 2015, 02:49:48 am
why exactly is that bad when some niggas like OG have sigs with anime sluts squeezing their titties or whatnot
(http://i.imgur.com/255jYj9.png)
Look at this shit fam. his sigs for the most part are fine but there are others similar to this, why this nigga been fine for years (and i'm sure others have done the same as well) but BW's gif was deemed too nsfw? like I get the action is what set y'all off but I can't even see how that was deemed bad enough to the point of deletion but shit like this has been ignored for the longest time. or those two touhou bitches with their breasts large enough where their nipples bleed through, i won't get it because RNG
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 17, 2015, 02:50:23 am
this low quality tiny gif where you can barely make out whats happening from a distance will get you in trouble but this bikini anime babe with massive cans is alright in my book
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zemilia on August 17, 2015, 03:01:44 am
Still not risking to use girls wearing bikinis as a sig/avvie. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on August 17, 2015, 03:16:48 am
I disabled avatars/signaturea a long time ago (and it seems other staff members have done this as well) so if you don't report it we can't do shit. I feel like adressing another point:
Quote
zomg you should browse the forum in your work place!
This is up to each individual and his workplace's ruleset; many employers - specially those who hire milennials - know their employees are going to check facebook,twitter or some other website (via smartphone) even if they explicitly ban them from using their office's computers to do so, and prefer to play dumb unless it really ruins the workflow. Wheter or not you should check this site or not should depend on your boss and not yoir fellow members, their anime girls or their opinnion on your work ethic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 17, 2015, 03:19:48 am
Can someone make a list with all of Personman's avatar URLs so I can add them to the list?  :juggle:

same with OG's sigs pls

I <3 you too
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on August 17, 2015, 09:15:40 am
well, can't say i didn't see it coming but i'm sad that it was simply removed rather than being told to remove it myself. specially since it lasted 15 days (guess another couple of hours would have mentally scarred our younger userbase for life so action had to be taken immediately)
[avatar]http://38.media.tumblr.com/avatar_d95c3fab4abb_128.png[/avatar]
people are being hard on iced and jnp but they are forgetting that they are the only ones in this forum that DO THINK OF THE CHILDREN! in fact, they think of the children anyday, anytime and anywhere....

now, what i find truly disturbing about this whole situation is that when i checked the website from my phone (and was not logged in) i was shocked with my new umaru avatar who happens to be my favorite cute character this season and i'm so obsessed with her right now that i threw my 2 and a half self-ban on soda out the window just for her.

but the thing is that so far i have not mentioned my affection for her nor the manga/anime she comes from nowhere in this forum (or anywhere else actually). so this avatar was either a huge coincidence or proof that either jnp or iced are espers or just perverted stalkers
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2015, 12:27:50 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/fpV9beN.gif)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on August 17, 2015, 01:35:22 pm
pictured: mfg's private mod board
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: S.D. on August 17, 2015, 02:30:04 pm
if you're in a work environment and you don't want people to think you're looking at dumb shit you should probably disable all avatars and signatures. nobody will think you're doing anything work related if you're looking at a page with 20 scrolling gokus and animes. if certain images bother you just adblock them GOD KNOWS I HAVE!!!!!!!!

i agree that avatars should be safe for work but bastard wolf's looked inoffensive to me. it's not like it's someone jerking a huge cock
Basically this.
Really huge overreaction on the staff, and double standards have been pointed out by other users.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cobra Caddie on August 18, 2015, 01:09:30 pm
The irony of censoring Shimoneta sigs.

(http://caddie.smeenet.org/h2F44F26A.gif)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on August 18, 2015, 06:22:17 pm
i really didn't think a girl humping a table was that graphic tbh and it mostly got removed bc clamslam complained about it, but whats done is done so im not really bothered by the change but still, i miss my old sig ;A;

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 18, 2015, 06:34:46 pm
Like I told you over pm , mostly try to keep perspective, if you wouldnt show it to your mom, you probably shouldnt be using it as an avatar for a relatively pg 13 friendly environment.
Its nothing deep or complex and its mostly seen on a case per case basis, hence why I even asked other mods if it was too much removing that one with Kajo doing a wanking motion, after someone complained about it.


I prefer to err on the side of caution with those things, but I also think the usual user isnt trying to cover himself in cropped pornography, so I expect everyone to be thoughtful of others.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on August 18, 2015, 07:07:46 pm
on a completely unrelated note i would like to propose that we have a "bring your mom to the forum day"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on August 18, 2015, 07:09:50 pm
yeah yeah, i get it and completely understand the reasoning and im not against it at all, it was just very all of a sudden really.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bea on August 18, 2015, 07:14:57 pm
on a completely unrelated note i would like to propose that we have a "bring your mom to the forum day"

What about those of us that happen to old enough to be mom of teenagers, which would also be old enough to be pushing into adulthood? :P
Do we count or should we too bring our moms? Mine doesn't speak English! She has grandchildren, though!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 18, 2015, 07:15:37 pm
clamslam spoilered one of his posts because he said "shitpost". he's not a good comparison point for the average user at all and should not be taken seriously. the fact that most people reacted negatively to this decision and that nobody else complained about bastard wolf's images for two full weeks (unless i missed it) makes me think this was a huge overreaction

also
Spoiler: nws naked purple woman (click to see content)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on August 18, 2015, 07:24:04 pm
What about those of us that happen to old enough to be mom of teenagers, which would also be old enough to be pushing into adulthood? :P
Do we count or should we too bring our moms? Mine doesn't speak English! She has grandchildren, though!
you are right, i wasn0t looking at the whole picture

then how about a "bring your family to the forum day"

i mean, since we have such a family friendly enviroment why not take advantage of it

i'm sure plenty of kids will be happy to hear the stories uncle jango has to tell or laugh at uncle titiln crazy antics (i would however reccomend we keep uncle [E] in the attic though).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on August 18, 2015, 07:27:45 pm
what should we do about uncle frybread dojo or uncle stuttering rapper tho?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on August 18, 2015, 07:35:18 pm
take them to a farm in russia where they can run free and play MK rom hacks or something
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 18, 2015, 07:58:18 pm
clamslam spoilered one of his posts because he said "shitpost". he's not a good comparison point for the average user at all and should not be taken seriously.
I agree

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the fact that most people reacted negatively to this decision and that nobody else complained about bastard wolf's images for two full weeks (unless i missed it) makes me think this was a huge overreaction
At best it was questionable. A huge overreaction would have been warnings, bannings, account limiting, etc. You say "most people are reacting negatively". When people that don't mind or that would agree are not even posting.(some have posted that agree) Heck, many that agree with you are probably not posting too.

Most people where I live are flipping out over the confederate flag bannings as of late. I feel they are over exaggerating and are not seeing the other POV.

That image you showed in Hoshi's sig isn't obviously sexualized and overly erotic. If you refuse to see how animating erotic gestures isn't a step higher than bikini anime girls and pixels like that then  I'm not sure how we can possibly move forward in this discussion. I can see your POV but I don't think you're trying to see mine. I can't speak for Iced or any other staff's view. I honestly don't mind discussing these things.

All moderation should be transparent and we may not see eye to eye on all things but I want others to at least understand the logic being used. Some people are agreeing with this action. The ones that are not are more vocal. That's the nature of this kind of thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on August 18, 2015, 08:07:38 pm
As a sidenote, I fucking love Shimoneta and I think the sig removal was appropriate. While I don't totally agree with the avatar removal, it's understandable.

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i'm sure plenty of kids will be happy to hear the stories uncle jango has
Bring it on, I've been saving "Accidentally Ate a Dog" and "How to Bribe a Cop with McDonald's" for it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 19, 2015, 04:21:10 am
That image you showed in Hoshi's sig isn't obviously sexualized and overly erotic.
it's not but it's a naked female body regardless
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Mild nudity ("boobs + butt") and more aesthetic stuff is ok clearly marked as NSFW, preferably put into a [spoiler] tag.


i bring up anime women with huge cans for the sake of the argument. i'm not personally bothered, but i could easily see someone else bothered by those types of images in a work environment (like the one mangobox brought up). i can't particularly see the staff's point of view when it's so confusing as it is. it's very subjective, there are several double standards regarding other avatars and sigs including ones used by staff, and if we're supposed to care that 12/13 year olds might be reading the forum then too many changes have to be made
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 19, 2015, 04:41:47 am
That's the thing. It is subjective. The same way no 2 staff members may handle the same kind of offending post.

When I 1st saw the avatars/sigs they seemed a bit more questionable to me. Not enough to say anything about them. They weren't too bad and I talked my prude voice in my head down to not say anything.

When Iced asked the staff in private if he was going too far my 1st thought on my personal level was "yes" but I thought bigger picture and remembered that small voice. I figured I'd just become too immune so  I looked at a different POV. Then others chimed in with the same view justifying it.

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i can't particularly see the staff's point of view when it's so confusing as it is. it's very subjective, there are several double standards regarding other avatars and sigs including ones used by staff,
I don't see it that much harder to tell the difference. The sexual gestures moving about felt much more in your face than the boobs and other examples being used. It felt much more pronounced and obviously erotic than the other ones.

Some others users agree and the staff that responded did too. Does that mean we're all right and the best judges? Of course not. And I do understand WHY you'd be against it. I'd just rather keep the forum full of static boobs and pixels you can't actually see anything in.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on August 19, 2015, 05:43:13 am
Those "sexual gestures" were more in a comedic sense though, especially the "jerking off" motion (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=air+jerk). Nobody's going to see that gif and go "oh it's a sex thing," they're going to go, "oh, they're bored/annoyed with something."

Even with the table humping GIF, it's quite easy to assume that's taken out of context due to "unfortunate" animation, as that happens quite a lot. No-one who hasn't seen the anime is going to seriously think a girl is actually humping a table. They're going to think it was originally her about to stand up and someone decided to put those frames together to make it look like such.

And admit it, if you hadn't known what Shimoneta was about, you'd have assumed the same thing. In fact, you probably did for a while or it wouldn't have become a problem until just now.


Now everything I just said, from the jerking off motion to the table humping, is assuming they stare long enough at the GIF to begin with, which, if you're actually reading a post that isn't a wall of text, shouldn't allow them that much time to look at it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on August 19, 2015, 09:14:52 am
And admit it, if you hadn't known what Shimoneta was about, you'd have assumed the same thing. In fact, you probably did for a while or it wouldn't have become a problem until just now.
Alright, I'll just come clean about it.

I was the guy that brought up the Shimoneta sig with Iced. I wasn't doing it with the intent of getting it removed, I originally was linking him to a ClamSlam post where he was calling walruslui immature because of his signature. When I was telling him about it, I was more concerned about ClamSlam not accepting the answers people were giving him and resorted to ad hominem (hilariously childish ad hominem at that). Iced doesn't have sigs/avs enabled by default so he had to turn it on to have a look and that's when the sig got censored. At that moment I told him I was reveling in the irony that a sig from a show about a dystopian future where porn is censored... ended up getting censored, so we talked more about it and he started watching it afterwards (although I'm sure others were egging him on to watch it too because he is to animation as PewDiePie is to shitty indie walking simulators with jumpscares).

I dunno how the Bastard Wolf avatar thing happened though. The only time I brought it up was with Jmorphman and the conversation somehow devolved into firefighters doing their jobs safely and efficiently.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on August 19, 2015, 10:13:10 am
ah, that makes sense. its fine tho, the sig change isnt that big of a deal to me, its the internet after all lol
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 19, 2015, 10:50:51 am

I already thought it was obviously sexual before watching the show ( which is a pretty good show btw) , the whole "Oh NO one would know what it is" is rubbish. Its very obvious what it is. None of it is exactly subtle and anime series of this season arent exactly obscure things only a limited number of people get. The same logic of "no one will know what it is except us that are into the joke!" was being used when a bunch of people tried to use semen covered hentai faces as avatars years ago.

I assume people are not doing things out of dumbness but like @hoshi: said, sometimes they are just trying to push the limits to see what they get away with. I know bastard wolf wasnt using that avatar out of ill will, he found it funny, i know bastard, he's a good friend. But it doesnt change that a girl making wanking motions is not something only a select group of people can tell what it is.

Try to not be as crass if possible everyone, it doesnt look good even ironically.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zemilia on August 19, 2015, 11:15:46 am
The same logic of "no one will know what it is except us that are into the joke!" was being used when a bunch of people tried to use semen covered hentai faces as avatars years ago.

I'm really curious to know when did this happen, but at the same time I wish I did not read that sentence aloud in my mind.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on August 19, 2015, 03:09:36 pm
A long time ago, when Trinity Mugen's median age was 15 and its members were more more active on this board, JZ, Anjel, KOD, Vans and probably Jango and KoopaKoot thought it was cute to change their avatars to close ups of anime girls getting fucked silly. I don't recall them being covered in semen, though.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 19, 2015, 03:21:29 pm
A long time ago, when Trinity Mugen's median age was 15 and its members were more more active on this board, JZ, Anjel, KOD, Vans and probably Jango and KoopaKoot thought it was cute to change their avatars to close ups of anime girls getting fucked silly. I don't recall them being covered in semen, though.
The semen ones were prior to that, not the same persons I think ( I dont even remember who it was) but it was very similar, girls with slime on their faces. in closeups.
I can only remember one of them had the personal text set to "I love pudding"

This was a LONG time ago. Both of those situations.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 19, 2015, 04:49:24 pm
my reply got deleted which proved my point, though by rereading my post I noticed I sucked at explaining it. so I'll rephrase it.
the context was as a reply to jesuszilla's post.

when something nsfw gets posted, the "hidden context" does nto matter, it someone posts a gif of two guys wrestling, but the gif looks like they are humping/having sex, the image should be evaluated as in what it looks like, like the homosexual sex in prison school, I did not post that one because I tought it was too much for the forum, so I posted a picture of an anime girl eating a candy, that looks like something different becauce the forum is pixelated.

here is the picture.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

back to the shimonectar one, well this is a forum with teenagers, not kids, if the forum allowed kids, that gif would have been absolutely inapropiate, but with teenagers it's more of a grey area.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 19, 2015, 05:07:25 pm
back to the shimonectar one, well this is a forum with teenagers, not kids, if the forum allowed kids, that gif would have been absolutely inapropiate, but with teenagers it's more of a grey area.
That's what I've been saying. It's just on the boarder. On the threshold. Just enough to not know if it's too much or not. Since it was so close it felt simpler to play it safe. Cause just a bit lighter on the erotic and it'd been fine. But as that show keeps going they will push the envelope more and more gifs will be made that will push the limits of appropriate as well.

It's easier not to have to moral compass every gif that's going to come in doing something like this. That's when it'd really get nit picky on hypocrisy and consistency

(Not sure why your previous image was removed BTW but your new post is MUCH clearer and I agree with it too).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on August 19, 2015, 07:25:59 pm
Personally I don't see problem with Shimoneta avs and sigs, I think is more disturbing those "ahegao faces (https://www.google.cl/search?q=ahegao+face&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=667&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI_vyO3NW1xwIVxIOQCh2E7ANd)" of hentai girls being stuffed in almost every hole than Shimoneta, an anime that mocks about those sexual things

And also I agree with Bastard, at least make an advice about the pic to be deleted instead just delete it and later make the advice
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on August 19, 2015, 07:48:19 pm
well, depending on the ahegao it might pass as just a derp face to the untraided eye (it also helps if the girl isn't covered in pudding)
[avatar]http://i.imgur.com/Sbvprpr.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on August 19, 2015, 08:00:29 pm
I didn't do that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 20, 2015, 12:17:11 am
(Not sure why your previous image was removed BTW but your new post is MUCH clearer and I agree with it too).

I was expecting it to get spoilered, since that used to be the regular course of action.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 20, 2015, 12:59:29 am
Perhaps there is more cause for concern around here than anticipated!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 23, 2015, 12:32:54 am
i don't understand why a 2 year ban is being discussed for someone that will be 12 (minimum registration age) in a week
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on August 23, 2015, 12:41:18 am
I agree.
He told us he's going to be twelve in a few days. I know it shouldn't be allowed, but we can let it slide just this once. Although he acts like that... we'll see what happens later.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 23, 2015, 12:45:20 am
I thought the minimum was 13?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 23, 2015, 12:47:07 am
It is, and the ban would logically have to be 1 year, not 2.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on August 23, 2015, 12:49:23 am
(http://i.gyazo.com/00490612db3e1c0f49d0879c5735a569.png)

Do we no longer enforce this?
Courtesy of Rednavi.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 23, 2015, 12:52:05 am
Uh, how come ? I thought the 13 years old thing was a legal matter.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 23, 2015, 12:59:04 am
if it really is then the registration form needs to be updated and the age limit needs to be reiterated somewhere in the rules
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 23, 2015, 01:26:44 am
After looking around a bit, there's this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Online_Privacy_Protection_Act said:
The Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998 (COPPA) is a United States federal law, located at 15 U.S.C. §§ 6501–6506 (Pub.L. 105–277, 112 Stat. 2681-728, enacted October 21, 1998).

The act, effective April 21, 2000, applies to the online collection of personal information by persons or entities under U.S. jurisdiction from children under 13 years of age. It details what a website operator must include in a privacy policy, when and how to seek verifiable consent from a parent or guardian, and what responsibilities an operator has to protect children's privacy and safety online including restrictions on the marketing to those under 13. While children under 13 can legally give out personal information with their parents' permission, many websites disallow underage children from using their services altogether due to the amount of cash and work involved in the law compliance.
But it doesn't seem to be a law that forums can't accept kids under 13, it's more of a personal preference and common sense based on the subjects usually touched upon in the forums involved. Here, no personal information is collected, so it shouldn't matter at all, legally speaking. So it's just based on general preference and targeted audience.

12 sounds really young compared to the rest of the population and knowing some of the subjects that are discussed sometimes in All That's Left.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 23, 2015, 02:58:17 am
Even if the age isn't a problem there's still the fact that he's proving to be incredibly oblivious and difficult to deal with. All of his posts are thankfully contained in threads that he himself made so I guess there's that to consider.

If it leaks into other topics I'll consider it something worth possible taking action over.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 23, 2015, 03:06:40 am
Apparently that's the kid in question
Hell Is A Place & A Bad Word. So You Can't Say It If Your Under 20 Years Old
... Yeah, way too young for this place. Or anywhere. Removing him would be an act of protection.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on August 23, 2015, 03:10:52 am
Removing him would be an act of protection.

Need to protect his innocence. Can't have people like me encouraging him to have fun with being lewd and stuff.

V And yeah, a posting limit should definitely be considered.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on August 23, 2015, 03:11:29 am
I think if you guys are gonna let this kid stay on here I don't think it's premature to consider a posting limit. I shudder to imagine what's going to happen when he figures out there are other boards and other topics.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: hatter on August 23, 2015, 03:13:51 am
After the "Hell is a Place & Bad Word" post, I honestly encourage banning him until he's 13, but if you're going to keep him around, I think Speedpreacher's suggestion would work nicely.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zemilia on August 23, 2015, 03:14:59 am
 But if you guys are thinking about removing him as "protection", I don't think that'll even be enough. MFG is just "one" place, and the internet is like.... a planet compared to here. Something tells me he might roam to other forums like this. Heck, maybe sinister ones too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 23, 2015, 03:15:26 am
That's out of our jurisdiction.
I think if you guys are gonna let this kid stay on here I don't think it's premature to consider a posting limit. I shudder to imagine what's going to happen when he figures out there are other boards and other topics.
I'm leaning towards this option but nobody else in staff (i.e. an admin) has said anything so we can't try it yet.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 23, 2015, 03:31:05 am
I've been keeping up with this just been away. Going to talk to Iced but I want to update the terms to 13 and go the route of a ban till he turns 13.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on August 23, 2015, 03:32:11 am
I'd ban him for a couple of years, not to protect him (can't protect him from finding some genderfluid demisexual otherkin sperglords out of this board) as much as to save us the trouble of banning over and over and over untill we reach the same length.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 23, 2015, 03:37:12 am
I didn't say whose protection would be involved in banning him... ! Protecting our own sanity is an important matter.
Seriously though, it doesn't really matter if there are other places that are worse. Here and now, the people in charge can decide if it's okay to have him roam around - here. Who cares about other places.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 23, 2015, 08:25:23 pm
i get banning him until he's 13, but two whole years?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on August 23, 2015, 09:00:09 pm
i see he just turned 12 so im up for lowering the ban

he gets to post in this wonderful forum as a birthday present. isnt that great
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on August 24, 2015, 12:53:47 am
Same.

in fact, I just did it because why not
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on August 24, 2015, 12:56:56 am
Yes & My Birthday Will Be At Day 31 On August
:???:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 24, 2015, 01:00:19 am
Close enough. A week won't be the difference between a good poster and not :p
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 24, 2015, 01:09:30 am
lol, sicne he's becoming 12 he actually amde them increase the age limit to 13 :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on August 24, 2015, 01:11:09 am
Close enough. A week won't be the difference between a good poster and not :p
What, it's not like turning 18 or 21 when suddenly you can have sex with people who are also your age ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 24, 2015, 08:34:31 am
Doesn't mean you'll be a good lover when you suddenly turn 18.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on August 24, 2015, 04:30:34 pm
10, 12 or 14 doesn't make you a good poster. I would ban him until he got 18, IMO :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 24, 2015, 04:31:24 pm
Is the word "Overkill" in your vocabulary at all?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on August 24, 2015, 05:01:33 pm
What the fuck Basara.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 24, 2015, 06:07:59 pm
Shut up HJK !  < See, now that's good posting ! :wink3:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on August 24, 2015, 06:17:17 pm
^ :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on August 25, 2015, 04:49:26 am
can't report now it but i wanna say it here...
a shady new user who put a virus in his previous game in a recent thread, just made another shady honeypot game completely unrelated to mugen. how much do you wanna bet that it has atleast an an adware or some other malicious shit?
i say bring forth the banhammer.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on August 25, 2015, 07:29:09 am
Kinda unnecessary, telling him not to pull that shit again will suffice.

Download link to that bottom-tier hentai game is still up btw.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on August 29, 2015, 04:08:50 pm
can't report now it but i wanna say it here...
a shady new user who put a virus in his previous game in a recent thread, just made another shady honeypot game completely unrelated to mugen. how much do you wanna bet that it has atleast an an adware or some other malicious shit?
i say bring forth the banhammer.
he struck again. but let us take a look at what his bit.ly link (the recipe for viruses) directs too:
(http://i.imgur.com/fefSjwH.png)
yep looks legit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on September 01, 2015, 08:18:43 pm
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This however isn't cool. Don't insult a user for reporting. I didn't think anything of this report. But now it's a bit more severe. Don't let that become a habit. That's a warning.
this is a bullshit warning btw. please rescind it, that guy did nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on September 01, 2015, 08:28:45 pm
No. Reporting isn't worth insult. If it's not a worthy report, that's for the moderators to decide. Making people think being insulted for reporting a post is okay will make the report button a less "safe" option.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on September 01, 2015, 08:30:16 pm
You don't insult someone for reporting a post. That would make some users second guess reporting posts. A reported post is nothing at all.
ninjad
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on September 01, 2015, 08:33:43 pm
Just as a footnote before I head off to work, it's perfectly okay to contest a moderator's action regarding how they handle a report by bringing it up to them (basically what you did here). It's not okay to insult the person who reported the post for making the post.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on September 01, 2015, 08:38:30 pm
his report is bullshit. he wants his derail to get deleted so he can continue his argument in the shit thread and show people how much of a pro he is in pwning other members. he's the last person you should be defending.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on September 01, 2015, 08:41:43 pm
I'm not defending titiln. I'm defending the act of name calling due to a report. It just happens the user insulted was titiln.
If you read what I said there would have not been a warning for the post titiln actually reported. By the time I got there there wasn't a reason for any action.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on September 02, 2015, 01:26:15 am
his report is bullshit. he wants his derail to get deleted so he can continue his argument in the shit thread and show people how much of a pro he is in pwning other members. he's the last person you should be defending.
you seem upset
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on September 02, 2015, 02:04:18 am
i am not.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on September 02, 2015, 02:04:27 am
me and titiln don't exactly agree on many issues but i have never seen him as someone who does what you are describing. he brings up legitimate concerns and calls out users for saying stupid things which is nothing new or rulebreaking. if anything he did the right thing in basically reporting himself. so yeah, i have to agree with xan.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on October 12, 2015, 07:10:26 pm
Hey, wasn't Memo's Zordon account found out like a good while ago and disused for a fair amount of time? Not sure why Cyan decided to ban him, he wasn't evading or anything, TBH a merge would've been fine. I know he never admitted it, but Zordon's last post was 10 months ago and I'm pretty sure he brought it up to keep confusion down as to why he'd suddenly be working on something posted with the Zordon account

My $0.02.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: hatter on October 12, 2015, 07:27:07 pm
Yeah, I'm siding with Orochi Gill on this one. The fact is everybody (well, OK most people) kinda knew that Zordon was an alt. account of Memo's, taking action against him seemed kinda pointless (why take it now, when it could have been taken long ago?), plus what Gill said about keeping confusion down in the K'Illa thread and the fact he admitted his fault honestly. Doesn't merit a ban in Memo's case IMHO.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 13, 2015, 02:06:32 pm
Don't merge the accounts. Otherwise there will be more confusion, try to think of it like merging threads. And I think at this point it's not needed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on October 13, 2015, 02:11:14 pm
One purpose of merging accounts is to display the confusion stemmed by the same person acting like a different person. Going back and reading their history you all of a sudden see them posting to themselves or different and it demonstrates how jarring it is.

I feel it's a descent punishment for trying to be fake.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 13, 2015, 02:15:14 pm
I see.
Maybe I'm going to say something stupid but is there a way to mark the posts made by the alternate account when you merge them? Even just a little icon would be sufficient.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 13, 2015, 02:17:01 pm
There's no justification for doing that if it's the same person talking. Having one person use two accounts is in itself the problem, not the fact that there are posts made by one account and others by the other account. You're not supposed to react differently to posts made by one or the other, so the posts precisely need to not be differentiated.
And there's no way to do that short of manually editing all the posts one by one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on October 13, 2015, 02:19:41 pm
Not without editing each post. If a person doesn't want to look dumb in their history they don't need to make different personas. And like with most mistakes the more time that passes the less likely the alternate posts will get read.
Ninja'd
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 13, 2015, 02:26:59 pm
And there's no way to do that short of manually editing all the posts one by one.

No, I meant that as an automated process. That's why I said I was going to say something stupid...

But I get your points.

I read the post better and I realized I missed the "short of" expression you used in the post.
V
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 13, 2015, 02:36:33 pm
No, I meant that as an automated process.
Well yes, I understood that. The answer is no, not possible.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 13, 2015, 04:12:50 pm
One purpose of merging accounts is to display the confusion stemmed by the same person acting like a different person. Going back and reading their history you all of a sudden see them posting to themselves or different and it demonstrates how jarring it is.

I feel it's a descent punishment for trying to be fake.
this is specially fitting when you consider most of them try to flirt and act chummy with themselves, resulting in a bunch of blokes pretending to be girls interested in themselves.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 13, 2015, 08:16:25 pm
ban shadowdragon6060
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on November 13, 2015, 09:40:19 pm
Please do it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on November 16, 2015, 07:38:35 am
Weren't people making a stink about some vaguely sexual signature that Bastard Wolf had and now it has actual ass in it and no one is saying anything?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on November 16, 2015, 07:45:47 am
Because that's all the ass he's ever getting
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on November 16, 2015, 09:10:31 am
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on November 16, 2015, 02:40:53 pm
Iced has avatars and sigs turned off so he wouldn't see it anyway. I don't react if I feel it's borderline unless someone has an issue with it. Are you reporting it now?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on November 16, 2015, 02:46:59 pm
fuck you jango... FUCK YOU!

but hey, it's ok i was (once again) seeing if i could get away with it but it's cool i changed my sig to something more family friendly so now you won't feel bad letting your kids or your mom into the forum

(you vagina-mouth crybabies!)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 16, 2015, 03:28:17 pm
Iced has avatars and sigs turned off so he wouldn't see it anyway.
aren't there 20 other mods that could see it

is this decision up to someone that doesn't see avatars or sigs

???????
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on November 16, 2015, 03:34:41 pm
Maybe he means Iced is the only one (in staff) who would fuss over an ass, and no one else cares :P Plus no one is reporting it so no one is bothered.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on November 16, 2015, 03:40:36 pm
^ That
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on November 18, 2015, 11:53:13 am
If no one reported it, no one is bothered. So I dont really care unless its ultra obvious.

JNP if you think those rules should be changed you should talk to val. He´s the one that defined the hard limits.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on November 18, 2015, 02:28:37 pm
I don't think they should be changed. It was another borderline case where you saw a lot of butt but it was cut off at the edge so you couldn't see it all. Just the top of some cheeks. I didn't think it showed much more than some of the female fighters do already so I didn't say anything. Had it been reported I would have though.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on December 23, 2015, 07:24:57 pm
You didn't really bring this up, but:
http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/thesaladisalie-87252

is this weegeeisgoingtokillm / this guy (http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/loves-pachirisu-86650)?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on January 12, 2016, 07:49:46 pm
lol i got banned and over a sonic char out of all things.
when i tried to login i received this:
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Sorry Guest, you are banned from using this forum!
Being overly hostile after several warnings in the past then ignored a moderator to keep being dramatic for several pages
This ban is set to expire <abbr class="timeago" title="2016-01-12T22:31:13+01:00">January 12, 2016, 10:31:13 pm</abbr>.
You may continue to browse the forum as a guest.
now aside from the html bug, what i though was weird was the "ignored a moderator" part, what exactly did i ignore?
JNP just told me that i shouldn't have insulted him, and i didn't. my second post didn't contain any insult.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on January 12, 2016, 08:00:22 pm
As a cursory observer of these things I'd say you got banned for repeatedly throwing more wood on a dying fire with what could only be either willful intent or careless obliviousness

Kind of like what you're doing now by making this a public grievance rather than pursuing your answer through PM
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on January 12, 2016, 08:01:04 pm
was that a ban that prevented a log in
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 12, 2016, 08:08:48 pm
lol i got banned and over a sonic char out of all things.
when i tried to login i received this:
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Sorry Guest, you are banned from using this forum!
Being overly hostile after several warnings in the past then ignored a moderator to keep being dramatic for several pages
This ban is set to expire <abbr class="timeago" title="2016-01-12T22:31:13+01:00">January 12, 2016, 10:31:13 pm</abbr>.
You may continue to browse the forum as a guest.
now aside from the html bug, what i though was weird was the "ignored a moderator" part, what exactly did i ignore?
JNP just told me that i shouldn't have insulted him, and i didn't. my second post didn't contain any insult.

You had been warned before about that kind of behaviour and the right reaction to being told to stop is not to go "but wait theres more!"

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bruh it's too late. you shat on his hard work and made him remove it.
congrats though, now he won't dare to take sprites from you.
sprites that you intended for mugen.
sprites that you wanted to make a char from.
a char you wanted to play.
see how you shot yourself in the foot?


you got warned here, the situation had been pretty much resolved then but you needed to get more shots in

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he tried to censor him and it unfortunately worked, the guy removed the char

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bruh it's too late. you shat on his hard work and made him remove it.
congrats though, now he won't dare to take sprites from you.
sprites that you intended for mugen.
sprites that you wanted to make a char from.
a char you wanted to play.
see how you shot yourself in the foot?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on January 12, 2016, 09:06:43 pm
Basically yeah, you were being a huge dick even though the whole thing was resolved :/

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 01, 2016, 05:00:17 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2222446
Umezono said:
Also, I should note that JZ's intentions in highlighting the problem of Chuchoryu's threads was not initially clear to me. I disagree with the method but agree with the message, there has to be a stop to the constant drama Chuchoryu's work engenders.

There is only one solution: Chuchoryu should improve.
But that is (almost, I hope) impossible, because if there are new people praising his work, then there will also be people that can't stand it and voice their opinion.

For the moment, the only thing you could do would be to split the topic from this post: http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2222219
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: hatter on March 01, 2016, 05:43:45 pm
I agree with Sin, splitting the topic from where this started is best.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on March 02, 2016, 03:40:13 am
This is the same case with WlanmaniaX, Mazemerald and Werewood. These creators have their way to make their chars and no one can change their ways, no matter how much we bash them in their threads. That didn't, doesn't and won't work. And I can tell you because I did the same with Wlan threads which pissed me off a lot, but I just ignore him and if was better in the end...

The best anyone can do is just ignore them. If their presence and thread bother you too much, there's an option called "Ignore List" where you can add the name of the user and voilá, problem solved (but I wish this system also don't show the threads they make). I already did with Wlan and it worked for me, do the same JZ if you read this instead gaining points to be banned just because this guy pissed you just for existing and create stuff for MUGEN

And all of you should do the same instead bashing dead horses as it now...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on March 02, 2016, 04:19:21 am
i'd like to clarify something, i didn't call chouchoryu "shitty fan fiction writer". i just compared him to one, i didn't call him shitty or insult him directly.
and my post isn't even meant to insult him, i was trying to tell shao that what he said was already told to chouchoryu a million times before.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 02, 2016, 04:37:15 am
i'd like to clarify something, i didn't call chouchoryu "shitty fan fiction writer". i just compared him to one
well that changes everything
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 02, 2016, 11:28:20 am
Yeah, I'm not seeing the huge difference there either.

I too, echo the sentiment of ignoring his works if you have nothing to say about the character. These aren't creator evaluation threads, save that for Mugen discussion. Yeah what most people said wasn't wrong, but a good lot of it also only fed yet another Chuchoryu thread instead of discussing anything tangible about the characters in question. Put that posting energy into chars that are deserving of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on March 02, 2016, 11:34:17 am
I wish that some people here could calm down sometimes and don't behave like assholes over every minor different opinion.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on March 02, 2016, 12:26:25 pm
Yeah, I'm not seeing the huge difference there either.
i didn't insult him directly and i didn't call him shitty.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 02, 2016, 02:23:32 pm
And yet, neither arrangement of words does anything to tell people about the characters in particular. Telling people that "they're wasting their time with giving feedback, ignore him" with little else is not helpful in any way. And neither are rants designed to display the issue in full, regardless of how much truth might be in them. Let people not in the know find out for themselves.

Besides, how can you say you're ignoring him and his creations, when you're posting in the very threads that he makes?

...

On a lighter note, I'm also in support of a split. We haven't had a good shit thread title in a long time, I think we're overdue. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on March 02, 2016, 05:05:19 pm
Besides, how can you say you're ignoring him and his creations, when you're posting in the very threads that he makes?
he's too busy with his training.
last comment i posted in a chocho thread before this one. i stopped posting in his threads, only now i did because i was annoyed with people who keep telling him to not rush his chars. i won't ever post in his threads again.
besides, i wasn't the only one who said "ignore him" there, and there's worse insults thrown at him in the thread. so why am i the bad guy here?
i just wanted to make it clear in here that i didn't insult him directly, unlike others in that thread.
i support a split too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 02, 2016, 06:24:11 pm
I was speaking in general, of course you weren't the only one. All I'm saying is to not shit up his threads with criticism of him as a creator. I mean, Pots style bashing is a thing too, but it'd be disrespectful to go into one of their threads and rip them for making tired, bland creations.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 02, 2016, 07:12:17 pm
I don't think telling people that a creator doesn't take feedback is a waste of time. Rather the opposite. It's sparing people grief who still think that chuchoryu and others will change.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 02, 2016, 08:41:47 pm
Just in case my intentions weren't clear:

I don't really give a crap about what chuchoryu makes because I learned a long time ago how he handles feedback. I have a couple of suggestions of what to do, the simplest of which I'll throw out in a moment. Like Basara said, people do this so often, it's like it's because chuchoryu just breathes. Good god, when will people learn?

The short answer is: they won't. Why? Because you keep letting them do this, and you're not pushing them in the right direction. You can warn and ban users all you want, but it's not going to solve the root of the problem. Want to know that really simple solution I was just talking about? Lock chuchoryu's threads. I know you're thinking, "But that's punishment!" Right, exactly. I know it's controversial to suggest such a thing, but look at it this way: while his behavior may not be inherently disruptive because he chooses not to engage (which is often a good thing!), this behavior is also the root of the problem that is causing disruption in the forum in the first place. Now that's not to say I don't think the repeat offenders should be punished, either. They should. They should primarily be the ones punished here. But I say chuchoryu should be punished as well by having his threads locked. This would solve many problems:


First point is obvious why it's disruptive and makes the community look bad, so no need for me to explain that one.

As for the second point, I believe if you aren't going to be receptive to feedback, you frankly don't deserve to have your ego fed and should have your topic locked. If you disagree, feel free to do what some creators already do and provide a link to your own forum or blog in the release thread where people can say what they want and you are responsible for the cleanup.

Now what's most important is the third point. When someone gives feedback and it goes unheeded repeatedly, this may ultimately discourage them from giving anymore feedback to anybody. I can already name a few people who feel this way. A few of them are even people who play competitive fighters regularly, and I don't mean people who simply claim to be the best player in whatever in their particular region, one of these guys got top 8 in EVO! These are the types of people you WANT giving feedback! Yet they're discouraged because too many creators have ignored or dismissed their feedback.

I believe wholeheartedly that everyone deserves feedback, but if they repeatedly ignore it, why is nothing done about it when it's just as destructive to the community as those who go overboard with negativity when giving feedback?

Newsflash: apathy is also negative behavior.

Creators are important, yes, but so are the players, the ones who give feedback. There's too much focus on the people who create the content and not enough on the people who want to improve the content. They deserve just as much importance as anyone else, and we somewhat realize this when we give them that little purple star. But we don't seem as serious about it when all that comes up in discussion is "We don't want to drive away content creators." Nobody ever mentions the testers and critics, who have just as an important role in the community.

It's true that this is a hobby and you are by no means obligated to respond to feedback, nor are you obligated to give it. Not everyone has enough time to do everything. However, it is expected, and the time spent both creating and critiquing should be valued. It's also quite rude to take advantage of the staff's desire to keep a nice community when they constantly have to clean up shit in your threads just because of your actions− or inactions, in the case of chuchoryu.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on March 02, 2016, 09:00:53 pm
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locking Chuchoryu's threads
No. That's imposing a burden on Chuchoryu who nobody in the history of this forum had to bear against their wish and infantilizing our userbase.

Telling chucho and his fans they have no right to comment on his releases just because they suck or that he has to live up to other people's standards is ridiculous. It's also ridiculous to completely ban any discussion of his works just because a small crowd doesn't like the way they are. I'd much rather ban people every other month than assume all of you are spoiled 1st graders who can't handle your freedom to comment on releases properly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 02, 2016, 09:07:40 pm
Where did I say that it was because his creations suck or that he has to live up to people's standards? It doesn't matter if you're Warusaki3, if you're not responding to feedback, what's the point? Found releases are an obvious exception because people rarely ever leave feedback or bitch there anyway.

Plus it's obvious that your social engineering tactics aren't doing the job here, so why not use the tried and true forum tools?


But what to do with his threads is beside the point: something, whether it's some post or section in the new rules that are being discussed or some sort of punishment for those who are unreceptive to feedback, needs to be there to encourage users to give feedback, what to do when a user repeatedly ignores it, and to not get discouraged from doing so in the future with other creators.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on March 02, 2016, 09:22:56 pm
Everyone else is free to use the release forums as a tool for self promotion, or if you want to be more cynical, a place to fish for asspats. The only unspoken rule is that you can't flip your shit in the case you actually get feedback because that would painfully and transparently pathetic. Chuchoryu doesn't do this, either because he's thick skinned, self aware, humble, oblivious or any possible combination of those.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 02, 2016, 09:26:21 pm
I agree with a lot of your sentiments JZ but ultimately I cannot get behind punishing Chuchoryu for creating content, especially considering the fact his content is enjoyed by some people.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 02, 2016, 09:26:49 pm
just let him have his fun. we can't (and shouldn't) stop him or the people who enjoy his work. the ones who need to be moderated are the ones post on hi threads only to say how much his work is terrible and how he never improves.

by now they should know better than going there to complain isn't going to solve anything and will only result in flaming from his supporters becasue chuchoryu couldn't care less because he is too busy doing what his haters are not: having fun
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on March 02, 2016, 09:30:22 pm
But what to do with his threads is beside the point: something, whether it's some post or section in the new rules that are being discussed or some sort of punishment for those who are unreceptive to feedback, needs to be there to encourage users to give feedback, what to do when a user repeatedly ignores it, and to not get discouraged from doing so in the future with other creators.
That's still beating the dead horse, IMO. The best we can do as "punish" the creator is simple don't post in his threads. There's the case of Ken34 in the past and actually Wlan, which got like 0 posts with some exceptions. If there're people who enjoys Chuco's work and posts in his threads, there's nothing we can do except just ignore it. So simple as that
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 02, 2016, 09:32:04 pm
becasue chuchoryu couldn't care less because he is too busy doing what his haters are not: having fun

this is the point i always like to make but nobody listens >:(

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: NiO ErZeBeTh on March 02, 2016, 09:33:24 pm
agree with Russian Viagra and Bastard Wolf...

I was one of the guys who tried to make him improve, I did also get a friend request from him on FB asking me to help him to improve sprites (but that wasn't my intentnion) and also, having a few little chats, he knew he should start to focus in less work and more quality, not sure if he is doing it, but I remember he told me he would make the sprites and let the coding process to another guy to have better quality...

He kinda listen ot feedback, but as Bastard told, he is too busy doing what he likes the way he can (or like) to even listen carefully to all of us who want him to improve to our standards
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 02, 2016, 09:34:07 pm
But what to do with his threads is beside the point: something, whether it's some post or section in the new rules that are being discussed or some sort of punishment for those who are unreceptive to feedback, needs to be there to encourage users to give feedback, what to do when a user repeatedly ignores it, and to not get discouraged from doing so in the future with other creators.
That's still beating the dead horse, IMO. The best we can do as "punish" the creator is simple don't post in his threads. There's the case of Ken34 in the past and actually Wlan, which got like 0 posts with some exceptions. If there're people who enjoys Chuco's work and posts in his threads, there's nothing we can do except just ignore it. So simple as that
Back to the two solutions:
1. Locking. What better way to not post in their threads than not being able to post in their threads?
2. Section or post with a suggestion to those giving feedback: pushes users in the right direction by explaining why it's best to ignore.

Both accomplish what you are saying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 02, 2016, 09:46:35 pm
agree with Russian Viagra and Bastard Wolf...

I was one of the guys who tried to make him improve, I did also get a friend request from him on FB asking me to help him to improve sprites (but that wasn't my intentnion) and also, having a few little chats, he knew he should start to focus in less work and more quality, not sure if he is doing it, but I remember he told me he would make the sprites and let the coding process to another guy to have better quality...

He kinda listen ot feedback, but as Bastard told, he is too busy doing what he likes the way he can (or like) to even listen carefully to all of us who want him to improve to our standards

My apologizes for changing the subject of this thread, but..

AS far I know, Chucho actually READS feedback and tries to improve[The "Sheng Long" by him and Mr. Karate JKA shows that]. I believe the only two problems who makes him "can't" read feedback and is:

- He rushes his non-primary works[such as Zeldas, Samuses and etc] and put priority on the big ''important'' characters [such as Juri and Lili from Tekken for example, who are on works and doens't even released as beta unlike the past released ones].
- Language barrier. He thinks everyone are insulting him when a BIG and SERIOUS feedback are gived, unless someone translates the feedback to their properly language and he get's the message. Some improvements on his Juri since he released her, is thanks to that thing of "translating" the feedback. [I really sure that's was Sinigaglia's translated feedback on that day] *fixed your name, my bad


I agree with the fact of his works, in a general way, doens't look a greatest level based work, but I should admit he improved their sprite skill, even if for a little way.

But well, it's just my toughts of the one more ''chapter'' of Chuchoryu's Drama Story on MFG
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 02, 2016, 10:02:07 pm
My apologizes for changing the subject of this thread, but..

0- AS far I know, Chucho actually READS feedback and tries to improve[The "Sheng Long" by him and Mr. Karate JKA shows that]. I believe the only two problems who makes him "can't" read feedback and is:

1- He rushes his non-primary works[such as Zeldas, Samuses and etc] and put priority on the big ''important'' characters [such as Juri and Lili from Tekken for example, who are on works and doens't even released as beta unlike the past released ones].
2- Language barrier. He thinks everyone are insulting him when a BIG and SERIOUS feedback, unless someone translates the feedback to their properly language and he get's the message. Some improvements on his Juri since he released her, is thanks to that thing of "translating" the feedback. [I really sure that's was Sinigaglia's translated feedback on that day]

0- Did they release it? Did Chuchoryu make the sprites? No, he didn't. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2122248)
1- He released Juri as beta if I recall, probably Lili will be another beta. Throw Oni in as well, if you consider that a big ''important' character, another beta.
2- Yes, I translated the feedback but he didn't read it at all. Probably because it was too long! :XD:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 02, 2016, 10:14:39 pm
I cannot get behind punishing Chuchoryu for creating content, especially considering the fact his content is enjoyed by some people.
He's not punished for creating content. If he doesn't read the responses he gets, what's the difference to him whether it's locked or not ? That's not punishment. He still gets to post his stuff and have fun with it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on March 02, 2016, 11:22:07 pm
Wouldn't the inabillity to post in his release threads just sink them into oblivion in a mere couple of days, though?

And secondly, I'm probably getting us all back to square one here, but what exactly is so difficult about not posting in his threads?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 02, 2016, 11:24:25 pm
Nothing. We're discussing this because apparently it's fucking hard for some people, and we need a solution.

Also, thank you, Byakko.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 02, 2016, 11:26:48 pm
Wouldn't the inabillity to post in his release threads just sink them into oblivion in a mere couple of days, though?

And secondly, I'm probably getting us all back to square one here, but what exactly is so difficult about not posting in his threads?
Apparently the difficulty is that other people don't do it.
Also, again, not seeing the problem with whatever happens to it if he's still releasing his stuff and having his fun with it. It's not like it makes any difference when people other than him post in it (I mean, you know, beside the insults...)
The most specific way to handle it would be to immediately split all "problematic" comments away from the thread, but then for fairness you'd have to also split the posts that just go nice car +1 when it's clear that it's NOT a nice car, and then that requires someone to watch over Chucho's every topic like a hawk, and who wants that. Lock is the only optimal choice, maybe if you want to be nice, let a few people comment once or twice before that for the hell of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 02, 2016, 11:31:43 pm
Exactly. Nobody in this thread (that I recall) is saying he shouldn't release anything. I'm certainly not. I'm saying if all people do is make shitty posts, and these shitty posts are such a big deal, then the most effective way to stop these posts is to lock the thread, preventing them from being made in the first place. How is this any different than deleting offending posts like what's currently being done when nobody listens? Because you get to warn/ban somebody? That's stupid.

Creators can still share what they've made, people can still check it out, and fuck, if they're really that serious, they can simply PM the creator. If the creator has a problem with the PM content, they can report or delete it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: NiO ErZeBeTh on March 02, 2016, 11:52:49 pm
If you are gonna take that as a definitve solution, you should send a pm explaining the situation, also we (spanish speakers like basara, thedge, walt, me and etc) could help you out to send the message clear and simple, because he obviously doesn't understand english well, I have seen threads when he is insulted and he answer believing he was praised.

If you do that, count me in to translate or explain if needed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 03, 2016, 12:03:38 am
The misconception here is that this is all about chuchoryu. It isn't. I may have offered solutions for the current problem, but I presented them with future incidents in mind. The situation with chuchoryu was only a catalyst pointing to the larger problem at hand: users not knowing how to deal with things when an author ignores their feedback repeatedly. The solution will set a precedent because it will pop up again, whether it's chuchoryu or somebody else, and the cycle would likely continue the same otherwise, and it's clear that everybody is tired of that.

As the saying goes, "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing every time and expecting different results."

The same users who post in the same author's release threads despite being repeatedly ignored are insane for expecting that to change.
The staff who expect the users' behavior to change despite taking the same action against them every time are insane.


It shouldn't be necessary to lock threads, but if this keeps happening, and you REALLY want the posts to stop, 100%, this is definitely the way to go.
If you want the users' behavior to change, assuming they read the rules and general community behavior tips or whatever, then adding a section explaining what to do when your feedback is ignored, while not a solution with a 100% success rate, is definitely the way to go.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 03, 2016, 01:15:29 am
i do wonder how chuchoryu will react when he is told that since he is not willing to improve and other people are shitting his threads these will be locked up from now on.

in fact, i also remember some user(s) who atually did something similar but differently. since they reffused to acknowledge feedback or any kind of discussion they would lock their release threads and the staff didn't appreciated this.

now someone else is requesting for the same thing to be done to chuchoryu because some people just can't shut up about how much they hate his work
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 03, 2016, 01:43:05 am
I must say I'm a bit apprehensive to the locking disruptive threads idea. Sounds like a decent solution, but I can't help being against the idea of people being hand-held into following rules. Don't post anything disruptive in character release threads, simple. Can't adhere to that, there are consequences. That's what I'd like to think but I guess that's besides the point. I'll admit my opinion in that matter doesn't mean much since I've barely ever posted in that part of the forum anyway.

I do want to add that Ccr does indeed take feedback. The feedback he receives often isn't anything that would significantly improve his characters but he does respond to people who give him suggestions, rough English and all. The most recent thread made it seem like he responds to no one because well, there was nothing to respond to; damn near every post was talking about his shortcomings as a creator. Unless that counts as feedback too. But looking at his other recent threads, he definitely responds to anything relating to his characters.

As far as feedback with actual substance behind it: yeah it's frustrating when people don't seem to hear out your suggestions, it's part of the reason I barely ever do it. While I believe it's still ultimately on the people who wanna discuss their findings on the characters, it'd be nice to see more emphasis placed on it's importance in some way, shape, or form.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 03, 2016, 02:15:54 am
Locking threads like that is an extreme solution. I'd rather keep repeatedly dealing and combating users that simply can't leave it alone.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with praise without feedback. Letting someone know you enjoy their works can be very rewarding.

I'd love it if we could get an influx of feedback going. But if somehow these 1 or 2 users ruins it for people that want to give feedback and refuse that's those people's fault. Not the person that isn't listening. For people that legit want to give feedback I find it hard to believe they can be smart enough to know the intricacies of the games, mechanics, coding, and how to explain the feedback coherently and yet NOT be able to tell really quick which users would either be willing and/or capable of applying said accurate pinpointive feedback.

Locking threads we deem "problematic" because some users have too thin of skin to not be offended by the thread is a good way to start policing releases in general. The precedent set can easily be expanded from there. At 1st a Chucho thread. Now those are not an issue, people will find an issue with users not applying feedback in ways they approve of, etc.

I believe all users have the potential to control themselves and if they prove over and over they can't then they don't need to post here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 03, 2016, 02:17:11 am
I cannot get behind punishing Chuchoryu for creating content, especially considering the fact his content is enjoyed by some people.
He's not punished for creating content. If he doesn't read the responses he gets, what's the difference to him whether it's locked or not ? That's not punishment. He still gets to post his stuff and have fun with it.
He does read them apparently, he just takes them the wrong way. While I don't feel he takes any feedback seriously, there is no and should be no rule against nice char +!. We're not penalizing people for liking shitty work. That's elitist. Disallowing that by locking, or splitting nice char +1 posts, is going to drive even more people away,
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 03, 2016, 02:19:45 am
Again, since this apparently is getting ignored due to the extreme locking solution, could we at least get a section in the rules suggesting users how to handle it?


We shouldn't have to do this, but apparently we do. At the very least so the staff have something to go by.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 03, 2016, 02:21:20 am
Xan is working on a new rules thread, should be more clear :)

I kinda think new rules threads are in order for most of the forum, not just a general rules thread. At the very least, we could sticky the general rules in each subforum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 03, 2016, 02:22:15 am
It's worth noting that chuchoryu has other forums to post at for people to do whatever they do. Affecting his experience on this one wouldn't remove his ability to create mugen content and other peoples' ability to enjoy it and talk to him about it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 03, 2016, 02:22:48 am
That's a lot more feasible. We're actually revamping the rules and updating a bit in Private Staff right now.

Some stuff about this has been added. Will probably be added to the release rules as well. Not that anyone actually reads rules before posting. :P

ninja'd
It's worth noting that chuchoryu has other forums to post at for people to do whatever they do. Affecting his experience on this one wouldn't remove his ability to create mugen content and other peoples' ability to enjoy it and talk to him about it.
It'd affect it here though.
This is a MUGEN guild.  We want all varieties to enjoy the forum and engine. The -ahem- "less polished" authors and the super coders. People that just play, people that just collect.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 03, 2016, 02:24:19 am
It's worth noting that chuchoryu has other forums to post at for people to do whatever they do. Affecting his experience on this one wouldn't remove his ability to create mugen content and other peoples' ability to enjoy it and talk to him about it.
Eh, weak argument as to why we should do it in the first place. It is still punishing him for making innocuous content people don't have the self control to ignore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 03, 2016, 02:24:37 am
That's a lot more feasible. We're actually revamping the rules and updating a bit in Private Staff right now.

Some stuff about this has been added. Will probably be added to the release rules as well. Not that anyone actually reads rules before posting. :P

ninja'd
As I said, it's not a 100% solution to the problem. That's the drastic solution of thread-locking, which I wouldn't have suggested if it seemed like chuchoryu would care.


But the new section at least provides staff and users with a guideline to remind them that not everyone is a lost cause.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on March 03, 2016, 02:28:52 am
having fun
Mugen can't be fun though... right?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on March 03, 2016, 02:35:13 am
not that it would matter but i don't think his threads should be closed either.
just make some sort of rule to stop people from nagging on him to not rush his chars and all that tired stuff that keeps getting said over and over again. it's annoying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 03, 2016, 03:20:10 am
Point was that you can focus on what the effect of having his content here is without having to consider how bad things would be for him. If the disruption of this constant drama and resentment is preferable to doing something about his threads, that's your value judgement to make, but it's not like doing something would ruin his mugen career. He's well-received at MMV.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 03, 2016, 03:23:53 am
I feel it'd be less about him and more about how we view everyone else. Only the staff can protect the users from themselves by locking his threads! That's pretty insulting to everyone IMO
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on March 03, 2016, 03:45:45 am
Exactly. It'd be, in a way, a form of censorship. People would view it as either Chucho's creations being eventually banished from this forum (because again, with no activity, the thread's life span doesn't stand a chance) and Chucho would just sit there wondering why he wasn't banned while they're at it, while others might see it as a form of shielding him from the "big meanies".

It'd be a lose-lose decision.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 03, 2016, 04:02:12 am
It'd be, in a way, a form of censorship.

And deleting posts isn't?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 03, 2016, 04:09:48 am
but by locking the threads we are mostly punishing chuchoryu
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 03, 2016, 04:10:44 am
I feel it'd be less about him and more about how we view everyone else. Only the staff can protect the users from themselves by locking his threads! That's pretty insulting to everyone IMO


I don't think you're protecting us; you're protecting someone who people have legitimate grievances against by preventing them from voicing those grievances. People hating everything chuchoryu does isn't going to change because you demand people not be mean to him, it's going to stick around and fester, like it has for years. Everyone's going to go through that eye-roll and exasperated sigh every time they see one of his threads pop up. What you're doing is creating an atmosphere where everyone has to bite their tongue because you're valuing civility over everything else.

It's not like the people who rip him to shreds don't have a point. I don't think voicing that point causes anyone any harm; we're all thinking it regardless. The same issue is still here regardless of whether it's being voiced.

And think about what this looks like to outsiders; what does it mean when someone downloads a creation like that and sees only positive comments in the thread? It seems like it'd shoot any reputation we have of actually knowing what we're talking about in the foot, in the name of protecting certain people's feelings. It's not really fair to inexperienced mugenites if we tear down all the warning signs.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 03, 2016, 04:15:30 am
I feel it'd be less about him and more about how we view everyone else. Only the staff can protect the users from themselves by locking his threads! That's pretty insulting to everyone IMO


I don't think you're protecting us; you're protecting someone who people have legitimate grievances against by preventing them from voicing those grievances. People hating everything chuchoryu does isn't going to change because you demand people not be mean to him, it's going to stick around and fester, like it has for years. Everyone's going to go through that eye-roll and exasperated sigh every time they see one of his threads pop up. What you're doing is creating an atmosphere where everyone has to bite their tongue because you're valuing civility over everything else.

It's not like the people who rip him to shreds don't have a point. I don't think voicing that point causes anyone any harm; we're all thinking it regardless. The same issue is still here regardless of whether it's being voiced.

And think about what this looks like to outsiders; what does it mean when someone downloads a creation like that and sees only positive comments in the thread? It seems like it'd shoot any reputation we have of actually knowing what we're talking about in the foot, in the name of protecting certain people's feelings. It's not really fair to inexperienced mugenites if we tear down all the warning signs.
Legitimate grievances doesn't mean what we're disallowing, wtf? Reread EVERYTHING thats has been said on this issue, including the starting posts, and you'll see we are still protecting negative feedback (legitimate) but disallowing outright insults and personal attacks (illegitimate). The point your protecting is outright hostile, which is not alowed. We're not disallowing negative feedback, chances are thats all hes still going to get and all outsiders will see.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on March 03, 2016, 04:18:12 am
im all for people sharing their honest opinions for chucho's shit, but i hate it when it becomes a pissing-contest about if someone is an asshole or not for calling it out and derailing the threads even more, i think you should just let people air their opinions but take action and just delete the replies that have nothing to do with the thread at all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: NiO ErZeBeTh on March 03, 2016, 04:22:07 am
Why would you delete a post?

Also, you said it's not about Chucho... but it's the prime example of it, have any other users done that drama-improve'story before?

I do like this forum, but there's something I have feel from some time ago, some people here over react to simple things like Chucho's creations for example, and sometimes that makes the little snowball get bigger and bigger... a few days ago someone (I think it was [E]) jumped from nowhere and attacked a user, even if his demands were silly and not approved from the admins, he was attacked from someone he didn't know and a lot more joined the fest... as an observer, that was wrong.


And think about what this looks like to outsiders; what does it mean when someone downloads a creation like that and sees only positive comments in the thread? It seems like it'd shoot any reputation we have of actually knowing what we're talking about in the foot, in the name of protecting certain people's feelings. It's not really fair to inexperienced mugenites if we tear down all the warning signs.

Certainly they will have an opinion, will be able to share feedback or will see the amount of comments there and just judge those users... and that's all, civility must be first... taking again the example above, as an observer, that was worse, a user talking with the admins when suddenly someone jumps in and more people to trash that user...

you can be honest while still be civil.






Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on March 03, 2016, 04:26:24 am
but take action and just delete the replies that have nothing to do with the thread at all.

i never said delete all the posts, i said delete the posts and take action to those who are really disrupting the threads with personal jabs and petty nonsense that have nothing to do with the main point of the threads.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: NiO ErZeBeTh on March 03, 2016, 04:28:58 am
your post overlaped with mine xD

that was intended to Jesuszilla that said deleting posts is censorship (more likely asking) :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 03, 2016, 04:34:01 am
It'd be, in a way, a form of censorship.

And deleting posts isn't?
Deleting off topic posts from a release thread isn't the same as making it so no one can say anything.

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I don't think you're protecting us; you're protecting someone who people have legitimate grievances against by preventing them from voicing those grievances. People hating everything chuchoryu does isn't going to change because you demand people not be mean to him, it's going to stick around and fester, like it has for years. Everyone's going to go through that eye-roll and exasperated sigh every time they see one of his threads pop up. What you're doing is creating an atmosphere where everyone has to bite their tongue because you're valuing civility over everything else.
Civility is a bad thing now? Yes, I treat users like they are adults. Even the 14 year olds!

What do these guys need? A frikin rant thread for Chuchoryu so they can rant and bitch about redundant things in a safe environment that's not polluting a release thread? And it'd still fester if we allowed it. I honestly can't believe that it "festers" anyway. Like his threads that he starts are so hard to resist knowing full well what they are getting into. I have no sympathy for people that can't move on with their lives.

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It's not like the people who rip him to shreds don't have a point. I don't think voicing that point causes anyone any harm; we're all thinking it regardless. The same issue is still here regardless of whether it's being voiced.
It's valid feedback till someone insults. And no, not everyone is thinking it. Loads of people enjoy his works.

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And think about what this looks like to outsiders; what does it mean when someone downloads a creation like that and sees only positive comments in the thread? It seems like it'd shoot any reputation we have of actually knowing what we're talking about in the foot, in the name of protecting certain people's feelings. It's not really fair to inexperienced mugenites if we tear down all the warning signs.
This just in. Some people dislike some things that hobbiests make. The more hobbiests around the more likely something will be of low quality from it.

Try to apply that logic to any sort of creative hobby. I was in the webcomic community for years too. I saw HORRID comics that would literally just be a bunch of copy paste. One became the #1 comic on DD (http://www.theduckwebcomics.com/Powerup_Comics/4946728/) for years due to the DRAMA in the comments bringing people to the comic so much!

It's just going to happen from time to time. Everything has the good and bad that if a person finds the bad 1st it could turn them off right then.

What if they find good stuff first? Like Vans's or JZ's works or many others that make great stuff. You're JUST focusing on the negatives.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 03, 2016, 05:10:04 am
To be fair, PowerUp Comics became so big because it was an entire forum's collaborative effort to make the worst webcomic possible in order to make DrunkDuck look like fools because at the time, they were hosting some pretty bad webcomics from what I recall in the thread where said collaboration took place.

Which is ironic because they actually ended up creating one of the best comics on DrunkDuck. I mean, this is absolutely amazing (http://www.theduckwebcomics.com/Powerup_Comics/4955674/).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 03, 2016, 08:47:47 am
How's this for a compromise. You lock chuchoryu's next 2 release threads as soon as they hit 3 replies, whatever those 3 replies are. See how the forum behaves, see how he behaves. See if someone throws a hissy fit because it was locked and they wanted to post nice char +1, or if they wanted to rant, or if they PM one of the mods.

Give it a trial run. If he requests his thread is unlocked, open it. If he doesn't care at all, then it doesn't matter if it is locked. Only unlock if the userbase engages you to actually have that happen.

This genuinely can't hurt and it will prove if the idea is decent. If it's not decent, you will at least find out and can stop trying it.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 03, 2016, 10:04:49 am
It'd be, in a way, a form of censorship.

And deleting posts isn't?

This.
It doesnt matter if some users neeed safespaces where htey can bitch and whine, the users that usually do already do it with their friends either in chatrooms or private messageing.

You are all suggesting punishing chuchoryu for actions of other users that cant go without insulting him.
I might not care personally about his creations but punishing him and the people that do because some other users think his fame is undeserved and htey have to scream really bad is dumb.
I rather ban those people that cant keep from insulting someone We are not talking first time posters or newbies, or anything. The people acting like this have been around for years.

Theyll have to be mature enough to understand that their opinion isnt some sacrosanct thing that needs to be shared everywhere, if they are frustated that he isnt taking their advice, dont share that advice.
Stuff like comparing him to a shitty fanfictionwriter is the dumbest possible thing to do,  You can even reply to someone explaining that chucho work is bad without going as far as that is going.


Dividing creators into two classes, one that is worth commenting on and another that has to be locked so your fee fees dont hurt is going to push elitism into a new level. "You dont follow feedback so now you are punished in a way that you CANT have visible feedback from your hobbies"


The real issue here are the shitheads that keep shitting on threads of people that do stuff they dont like and take it personally, we should be discussing how to deal with those, not how to punish chucho for their childish behaviour.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 03, 2016, 02:01:01 pm
People can go to other forums and leave feedback if they really want to. The actual problem here is Guild having a standard of quality and you demonizing long-time members for being upset that it's been allowed to slip.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 03, 2016, 02:46:24 pm
Maybe the actual problem is simply that it's not being enforced hard enough.

Locking disruptive threads is extreme yes, but I'm fine with it if it's necessary to resort to that. My issue with it is from a enforcer perspective is that it's lazy modding. Oh this thread is a disaster, let's stop everyone from responding, that'll solve the problem. It's a solution, but it's not exactly something that emphasizes why it's disallowed. I just think it needs to be emphasized further to tell people to stay on topic in these threads. And stop making meaningless posts that don't talk about the character (save for a few exceptions), much less insults.

I think release threads are there to talk about just that, the release in question. Not about the creator and their habits, or anything else that deviates from the subject matter. Of course friendly banter, even the "NICE CHAR +1" stuff is fine (at least it's a positive response). But anything that disrupts a release thread should have close to zero tolerance imo.

That's only part of the point, the other is about creators having their threads locked if they don't take feedback. Can't agree in this instance since I and others have already mentioned that Chuchoryu is receptive to feedback on his characters, even if said feedback isn't doing much to improve his works. It'd be different if he truly didn't respond to anything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 03, 2016, 03:04:18 pm
People can go to other forums and leave feedback if they really want to. The actual problem here is Guild having a standard of quality and you demonizing long-time members for being upset that it's been allowed to slip.
Having a standard of quality and expecting it does not translate to insults and uncivil behavior. What are you not understanding?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 03, 2016, 03:13:01 pm
People can go to other forums and leave feedback if they really want to. The actual problem here is Guild having a standard of quality and you demonizing long-time members for being upset that it's been allowed to slip.

I can have a standart of quality without going up to Bendis and throw tomatoes at him for not following my standarts.  Even if a creator is not good no one has any right to attack him. Giving him bad feedback? Sure. Insulting him or trying to shit on him because he gets more "fame than he deserves" is literally an elitist atittude that buried many a mugen forum.

There are two extremes in mugen forums, the ones that try to deny any criticism and those that try to shove personal insults amidst criticism. This is a hobbie, if you dont know how to do hitboxes and dont plan to learn that doesnt mean you get compared to nickelback or get insulted repeatedly by other hobbie followers that are old enough to know better.

I expect little kids that just started to be insultive to people not following their ideas, they dont know better. I dont expect it from users that have been around long enough to know some manners.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 03, 2016, 03:23:39 pm
To be fair, PowerUp Comics became so big because it was an entire forum's collaborative effort to make the worst webcomic possible in order to make DrunkDuck look like fools because at the time, they were hosting some pretty bad webcomics from what I recall in the thread where said collaboration took place.

Which is ironic because they actually ended up creating one of the best comics on DrunkDuck. I mean, this is absolutely amazing (http://www.theduckwebcomics.com/Powerup_Comics/4955674/).
This helps my case though :p
I was there for the rise of this comic and there were threads made demanding the comic not be allowed to be in the top 10 list. The comic itself was just legit enough to only parody and not actual insult anyone.

Drunk Duck (along with all comic hosts) had a ton of horrid comics yes. At that time it was arguably the most popular comic host too.

I defended their right to be in the top 10 then.
I can't think of any hobby oriented sites that won't have objectively bad content is the point.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: hatter on March 03, 2016, 03:26:51 pm
I believe this was brought up but:

but take action and just delete the replies that have nothing to do with the thread at all.

Wouldn't this be better? I mean this is a reoccuring problem with no end to it in sight it apparently, and the extreme solution isn't good, you might as well do this, I guess. Elitists insulting users get to vent/insult, you delete those posts and warn them, and if they do it again, ban them.


Also for the record, I agree with Umezono and Iced. If creating abhorrent quality characters is what makes him have the most fun, why ruin it for him? I don't think it's fair at all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 03, 2016, 03:48:53 pm
Deleting posts is a very touchy thing, mainly because it's basically censorship. Something that should be reserved for anything obscene (hardcore porn, shock violence, insults laden with slurs, etc). A certain someone who used to be a mod here left because of a deleted post, I'll end it there.

I do wish we could delete posts that suck, but thou must not promote elitism.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 03, 2016, 03:51:31 pm
I think you are confusing removing insulting posts from project/release threads and removing random opinions that you dont agree with.

Cleaning out insults and shity posts from release threads is certainly not censorship. No one is removing normal criticism from them tho, nor are we pretending they never existed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 03, 2016, 03:55:07 pm
I was gonna add that it's not always the case but didn't quite know how to word it. Fair enough though.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 03, 2016, 04:24:00 pm
People can go to other forums and leave feedback if they really want to. The actual problem here is Guild having a standard of quality and you demonizing long-time members for being upset that it's been allowed to slip.
Having a standard of quality and expecting it does not translate to insults and uncivil behavior. What are you not understanding?

When you seem to define 'uncivil behaviour' as warning people about chuchoryu's behaviour to save them the headache, when it's more like a public service.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 03, 2016, 04:31:51 pm
People can go to other forums and leave feedback if they really want to. The actual problem here is Guild having a standard of quality and you demonizing long-time members for being upset that it's been allowed to slip.
Having a standard of quality and expecting it does not translate to insults and uncivil behavior. What are you not understanding?

When you seem to define 'uncivil behaviour' as warning people about chuchoryu's behaviour to save them the headache, when it's more like a public service.

I took absolute issue with "shitty fanfiction writer" and "you fucking suck" "mugen equivalent of shovelware"

If you are going to posture as if this is not elitist prattle and service to the community, then you're one of the people I have in mind when I suggested this rule.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 03, 2016, 04:37:59 pm
Your post is far more elitist than anything I've said. Stop with your moral posturing. I've never even posted in one of his threads. You're just bending over backward to protect people from harsh words when the fact is his work sucks and people should be aware of that so they don't waste time going into it without knowing what to expect.

Only the second comment there is out of line. The last one is particularly apt.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mgbenz on March 03, 2016, 04:47:03 pm
That whole standard of quality crap is the reason why pre-2007 Mugen happened. It's pure elitism. Stop it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 03, 2016, 04:51:05 pm
Blatantly hostile, charged remarks like that have no place in the kind of feedback we encourage on this forum. Also your standards of work that allowed in Guild are totally subjective. People can still say his work sucks without having to be total assholes about that, tact and civility are part of being an adult. Nobody is disputing his work sucks, and nobody said you can't tell people he doesn't take feedback. Man, do I really have to say just ignore it? Most people on this forum know what to expect already, and most newbies aren't going to give two shits about the standard of quality you champion. MUGEN is not a contest and theres no obligation to protect its members from mediocre work. However there is an obligation to protect creators from being alienated by insulting personal attacks when the expectation is proper feedback or none at all. I feel like I am lecturing a child.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 03, 2016, 04:52:10 pm
Then why are you the one insulting others?

If you'd like to stop 'blatantly hostile, charged remarks', maybe start with your own.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 03, 2016, 04:53:33 pm
The comments about how "his creations are no good" are fine when they're not in character threads. Harsh perhaps, but not all criticism is going to be kind, yes his works are indeed shovelware. It's a problem when they're disrupting release threads is what we're saying. Those are not places to rip creators and their lack of ability. Wanna critique creators, make a thread in Mugen Discussion, we get a Pots style thread about every other month.

Release threads are to talk, discuss, and give feedback to whatever was released. They're not a place to flaunt your beliefs as to why X creator will never improve, especially if it's going to disrupt the thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 03, 2016, 04:55:26 pm
Why are you changing the subject? Even so, calling someone elitist in argument like this is hardly meant as an insult, especially since I am criticizing specifically your viewpoint as elitist.

I feel like I'm lecturing a child because I'm accused of moral posturing for taking issue with people claiming insults are legitimate feedback to uphold standards of quality. You literally just regurgitated what I said back at me and its exhausting to keep saying the same thing over and over.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 03, 2016, 04:56:13 pm
However there is an obligation to protect creators from being alienated by insulting personal attacks when the expectation is proper feedback or none at all.

That's... Why I suggested what I did? Though Cyanide has a good approach to it, for creators who seem to totally ignore it. It doesn't necessarily have to be applied to chuchoryu if it is true that he actually listens to feedback (which, from my understanding, he does not, whether it is in Spanish or English, and I have heard this concern from multiple users), but it's a viable option if you truly want to protect them as you said. It's hugbox-y, yes, but so is deleting the offending posts. The end result is you're still protecting the creator.


This has nothing to do with the quality of creations and everything to deal with how feedback is handled.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 03, 2016, 04:57:43 pm
@GS-Niitris: I don't see speaking to another user giving feedback and disappointed in the author's work about the author's past history regarding feedback and improvement as disrupting the thread, I see it as preventing further disruption.

There's nothing wrong with saying 'Don't bother getting worked up over this, it's not going to do anything anyway'. There is something wrong with not letting people say that, and letting the same drama unfold over and over again with new players who aren't aware of the history here.

@Umezono: Calling people children for having different opinions while lecturing on how insulting people is bad is particularly hypocritical and hideous.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on March 03, 2016, 05:02:10 pm
I took absolute issue with "shitty fanfiction writer"
it's like you didn't even read my comments in this thread.
also, iirc you trolled MC2 for absolutely no reason until he rage quit this forum the last time. so please don't act like the defender of justice when you were a douchebag to someone who did nothing wrong to you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 03, 2016, 05:06:21 pm
Yeah see, sometimes I get tired of repeatedly stating my point over and over how I just want people to be respectful in feedback, and being told that somehow I'm morally posturing. It doesn't change a thing probably, but I'm sorry if that choice of words has hurt you, someone who champions telling it like it is, so much

I took absolute issue with "shitty fanfiction writer"
it's like you didn't even read my comments in this thread.
also, iirc you trolled MC2 for absolutely no reason until he rage quit this forum the last time. don't show yourself as the defender of justice when you were a douchebag to someone who did nothing wrong to you.
"i didnt say he was, i compared him to one"

and i don't know how me voicing my opinions of a member who repeatedly attacked this forum through petty bullshit, much like how you do to several members, has any bearing on a discussion about release threads. but id be happy to compile a list of posts where youve made similar comments LOL
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 03, 2016, 05:07:44 pm
Yeah, see, I'm always going to have a problem with people who are assholes to others in the name of not being assholes to others.

You really need to look at what you're doing and just stop. Holy crap. 'Sometimes I get tired' is not an excuse for being a douchebag that works only for you, and you're insulting Gennos and MC2 now too? Jesus!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 03, 2016, 05:09:08 pm
However there is an obligation to protect creators from being alienated by insulting personal attacks when the expectation is proper feedback or none at all.

That's... Why I suggested what I did? Though Cyanide has a good approach to it, for creators who seem to totally ignore it. It doesn't necessarily have to be applied to chuchoryu if it is true that he actually listens to feedback (which, from my understanding, he does not, whether it is in Spanish or English, and I have heard this concern from multiple users), but it's a viable option if you truly want to protect them as you said. It's hugbox-y, yes, but so is deleting the offending posts. The end result is you're still protecting the creator.


This has nothing to do with the quality of creations and everything to deal with how feedback is handled.

Removing a creator ability to get comments on their work from the getgo by classing them as a "Feedbackless" person is just a half step to just deleting their threads. Its telling them that they dont need their work to be commented on.

The same thing wouldve been done to Warner back in the day, and Kong, and anyone else that didnt accept feedback in a way that the majority felt was "good". its a judgement of values where you are taking away rights to a used based on something completely subjective.

Why would he be such a special case that he cant have people congratulating him on his releases because some users start insulting him? If hes the victim there then why is he getting less rights than a normal user? What makes it a need to limit his right to comments?

You call it hugboxing him, but it feels more like you want to hugbox those people whose feedback is not being listened to. Part of being mature on their side is also knowing that others have the right to ignore their feedback.


Ive given him negative feedback several times, I never compared him to trash.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on March 03, 2016, 05:10:03 pm
it's a viable option if you truly want to protect them as you said. It's hugbox-y, yes, but so is deleting the offending posts. The end result is you're still protecting the creator.

Oh my God, can you stop putting insulting another person for no good reason and criticizing their work negatively with the intentions of helping out in the same god damn box?!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 03, 2016, 05:11:13 pm
@GS-Niitris: I don't see speaking to another user giving feedback and disappointed in the author's work about the author's past history regarding feedback and improvement as disrupting the thread, I see it as preventing further disruption.

There's nothing wrong with saying 'Don't bother getting worked up over this, it's not going to do anything anyway'. There is something wrong with not letting people say that, and letting the same drama unfold over and over again with new players who aren't aware of the history here.

It's okay if it's done in a way that's not provocative or adds to the discussion in a productive manner. It's a problem when it's combined with insults or anything else that would break the flow of the thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 03, 2016, 05:12:40 pm
it's a viable option if you truly want to protect them as you said. It's hugbox-y, yes, but so is deleting the offending posts. The end result is you're still protecting the creator.

Oh my God, can you stop putting insulting another person for no good reason and criticizing their work negatively with the intentions of helping out in the same god damn box?!
You can't tell me to stop something I'm not even doing. You keep posting the same thing over and over and it's clear you haven't actually read or understood the situation or problems we're trying to solve. You're contributing nothing to this discussion but confusion and should honestly stop.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 03, 2016, 05:14:13 pm
@Iced: Okay I'm just gonna clarify something real quick because it seems like several people are talking past eachother.

Churchoryu posting releases is fine, we agree here.

People posting harsh feedback is fine, we agree here.

People mixing personal insults into their feedback is bad and should be moderated, we agree here.

What we disagree with is people talking about chuchoryu as a creator instead of just the specific character he's released. I think cracking down on this increases, rather than decreases, drama. I think if someone is close to blowing a gasket because of how frustrated they are with him and his characters, someone stepping in to say 'This guy never takes feedback, it's not worth the effort' or something to that effect helps, and you're acting like it hurts.

Laptop battery is about to die but I wanted to clear that up.

@GS-Niitris: I think we're, if not quite on the same page, at least pretty close to it. Problem is no one's a fortune-teller and can't tell what will help or hurt a given thread, they can only try.

You'll all be pleased to know I'm gonna be afk for several hours starting... now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 03, 2016, 05:19:48 pm
Yeah, see, I'm always going to have a problem with people who are assholes to others in the name of not being assholes to others.

You really need to look at what you're doing and just stop. Holy crap. 'Sometimes I get tired' is not an excuse for being a douchebag that works only for you, and you're insulting Gennos and MC2 now too? Jesus!
Gennos and MC2 are totally irrelevant to this conversation.

MC2 made a twiter account devoted to calling MUGENguild trash and retards. I told him it was stupid and he left.

The next time he came back, I made one QOTD post of him and he flipped a shit and left.

Gennos on the other hand has been cited multiple times by staff for aggressive and incediary comments, including towards Chucho, which I just pointed out. This is fact, not some asshole opinion.

I can tell you are going to desperately cling to the fact that I called you childish to discredit my arguments but it doesn't change that your argument was elitist and goes against proper, respectful feedback. I'm sorry that this personal attack has suddenly invalidated my argument, shouldn't have done it. Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: FeLo_Llop on March 03, 2016, 05:21:00 pm
From Kill Bi to his last film, Tarantino's work has been the same. Just change locations, races, names or people's sex, but in essence, the same.

That's exactly as Chuchoryu.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 03, 2016, 05:21:58 pm
i can't understand how you constantly manage to add nothing to discussions
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on March 03, 2016, 05:24:05 pm
it's a viable option if you truly want to protect them as you said. It's hugbox-y, yes, but so is deleting the offending posts. The end result is you're still protecting the creator.

Oh my God, can you stop putting insulting another person for no good reason and criticizing their work negatively with the intentions of helping out in the same god damn box?!
You can't tell me to stop something I'm not even doing. You keep posting the same thing over and over and it's clear you haven't actually read or understood the situation or problems we're trying to solve. You're contributing nothing to this discussion but confusion and should honestly stop.

Alright then, I apologize, I might've sounded aggressive and the point you were trying to make might've flown over my head. But I still don't see how getting rid of detrimental flaming posts is considered protecting someone instead of simply standing by the rules and making sure people treat each other with respect. I just thought your perspective was too "black-and-white", if you will.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 03, 2016, 05:25:18 pm
@Iced: Okay I'm just gonna clarify something real quick because it seems like several people are talking past eachother.

Churchoryu posting releases is fine, we agree here.

People posting harsh feedback is fine, we agree here.

People mixing personal insults into their feedback is bad and should be moderated, we agree here.

What we disagree with is people talking about chuchoryu as a creator instead of just the specific character he's released. I think cracking down on this increases, rather than decreases, drama. I think if someone is close to blowing a gasket because of how frustrated they are with him and his characters, someone stepping in to say 'This guy never takes feedback, it's not worth the effort' or something to that effect helps, and you're acting like it hurts.

Laptop battery is about to die but I wanted to clear that up.

@GS-Niitris: I think we're, if not quite on the same page, at least pretty close to it. Problem is no one's a fortune-teller and can't tell what will help or hurt a given thread, they can only try.

You'll all be pleased to know I'm gonna be afk for several hours starting... now.
And the problem is the users who keep posting in his threads. We all agree on that, too.

If the dog keeps shitting in the house, you put him outside. He'll shit out there. It's stupid and unsanitary to keep cleaning up shit when it's clear they can't be potty-trained.


Does that make sense? I never said that locking threads was a good solution, just that it was a 100% effective solution and an alternative to banning, since you guys seem so hell-bent on avoiding that. Banning is also a 100% solution, if you have finally decided you want to go there. The problem I have is that you guys only continue to go "NO, BAD" instead of doing something, which only results in the same behavior being repeated. We ideally want to avoid both, but clearly we have to go to some extreme because the typical (and quite frankly, sickening) social engineering tactics you guys seem to prefer are not working, and in fact, only make things look worse than they actually are.

No-one wants to see users being attacked, period. It makes the community look like a constant war zone. Even when the user is clearly doing something wrong, you guys prefer driving them out with these constantly failing social engineering attempts to simply banning them. This is a problem because when they go somewhere else, "I left" sounds way worse on the community than "I was banned." Why? Because in the majority of cases, people leave the community because the community is full of assholes, whereas when they're banned, it was because they were being an asshole.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on March 03, 2016, 05:46:16 pm
i will keep repeating this until you get it:
i never called him shitty himself and i didn't insult him directly. my last post before this one in any of his threads was 4 months ago.
and compile posts to your heart's content. i never claimed to be a saint around here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 03, 2016, 05:53:47 pm
@Iced: Okay I'm just gonna clarify something real quick because it seems like several people are talking past eachother.

Churchoryu posting releases is fine, we agree here.

People posting harsh feedback is fine, we agree here.

People mixing personal insults into their feedback is bad and should be moderated, we agree here.

What we disagree with is people talking about chuchoryu as a creator instead of just the specific character he's released. I think cracking down on this increases, rather than decreases, drama. I think if someone is close to blowing a gasket because of how frustrated they are with him and his characters, someone stepping in to say 'This guy never takes feedback, it's not worth the effort' or something to that effect helps, and you're acting like it hurts.
 

The type of comments Gennos makes are the issue. You can point out things to others and even tell them "he doesnt take feedback" without being insultive. He has pushed that before and was warned over it, so now hes trying to be better at it. I think he went too far by comparing him to a shitty fanfiction writer in that thread. No way to react to that without thinking its an  insult.

The people commenting repeatedly and just acting injured over it are shitting the bed in this case, not Chuchoryu. It has become an increasing problem where he has a following of people that always go to his threads to insult him over not following feedback.

The discussion should be more geared towards what to do to those than what to do to Chuchoryu. I am of a very simple opinion that people just need to have their shitty flames deleted when they step out of bounds and banned for short periods. And I think that should have happened in this case to all people insulting him.

Weve all been around long enough to see pretty bad situations , the idea is to find solutions that can improve the quality of posts. That solution cant be "ban the victim from having comments" thats just nonsensical. I think we all agree on that?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 03, 2016, 06:10:48 pm
I lied, I thought it was an hour later than it was and in fact have another half hour or so of internet time, my bad.

@Umezono: I'm going to bite back most of my initial response (I saw your post before you edited it but my laptop battery died before I could respond) but attacking someone else who criticized you to deflect that criticism is an awful thing to do, especially from someone in a position of power. Gennos's record as a member here wasn't under discussion, yours was, because you started acting like a dick while trying to advocate for not acting like a dick.  That's demonizing someone, making them feel attacked and putting them on the defensive instead of either owning up to your behaviour or denying it (I don't know if what he said was actually true, nor does it really matter).

In all seriousness, and I am not just saying this to score points in an internet argument, your comments towards me and Gennos are the most disrespectful things I've seen here, more so than the stuff that was in chuchoryu's topic that started all this. The majority of that was at least focused on his work, or behaviour related to his work. But that said, I do recognize and appreciate your edit, so I'll drop it here.

@Iced: I think I understand Gennos's point there, and I don't think it's a very bad one, but I'm probably a lot better at understanding what people are trying to say than most people here are, especially given language barriers. I don't have a problem with what I think he meant, but it's very very easy for me to see how most people think it's something much worse. It was a shittily worded statement, and was borderline anyway. I think I could probably put it in a way you wouldn't object to, but it's not a big deal.

I don't think chuchoryu is innocent here. People aren't acting out for no reason, they're acting out because people are supposed to take input from the community and improve; not doing so is fundamentally disrespectful and leaves people trying to help him improve feeling like they wasted their energy and goodwill on nothing. People should follow feedback generally. Obviously there are some times when 'this is my character and I'm doing it how I want' is fine, and obviously some people push for people to change into something they want instead of more objective things to fix, but repeatedly ignoring what people have said over and over and over again for actual years is a problem, just as much as people flaming him is a problem.

Chuchoryu's behaviour is disrespectful to the rest of the community, so others are disrespectful to him, and the mod team is so overzealous that even people trying to warn people away from engaging chuchoryu get punished for being mean to him. That is my view of the situation.

@Jesuszilla: "This has nothing to do with the quality of creations and everything to deal with how feedback is handled." <-- This is entirely right and I was bad and wrong.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 03, 2016, 06:14:46 pm
MC2 made a twiter account devoted to calling MUGENguild trash and retards. I told him it was stupid and he left.

this, lately people think that is perfectly fine to insult the whole forum's userbase as a group then act all surprised when memebr of said group insult them back (like the incident nio mentioned earlier).


agreed, do the simplest, most common solutions to this problem; having a special case will just make the forum weird, especially for new people.

I don't think chuchoryu is innocent here. People aren't acting out for no reason, they're acting out because people are supposed to take input from the community and improve; not doing so is fundamentally disrespectful and leaves people trying to help him improve feeling like they wasted their energy and goodwill on nothing. People should follow feedback generally. Obviously there are some times when 'this is my character and I'm doing it how I want' is fine, and obviously some people push for people to change into something they want instead of more objective things to fix, but repeatedly ignoring what people have said over and over and over again for actual years is a problem, just as much as people flaming him is a problem.

No, that's wrong, people who think like you do are the problem, in this case.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 03, 2016, 06:20:49 pm
Chuchoryu making work you don't like and not feeling obligated to change it to how people want it is not disrespectful to the community. People like his work.

Not changing something maybe seem fundamentally disrespectful to you, but to others its just a shrug and go thing.

And also my record was never under question, Gennos brought that up and got stuffed down on it because I recognized he was trying to inject something irrelevant in. I'm entitled to my opinion as well as to yours, and once you decide to accuse me of something, it doesn't put you or him above criticism. My finding a response in a thread about civility childish is not the end all be all of everything. I'm apologizing because you are offended by it, but I stand by my statements fully. Sorry.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 03, 2016, 06:24:00 pm
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I don't think chuchoryu is innocent here. People aren't acting out for no reason, they're acting out because people are supposed to take input from the community and improve; not doing so is fundamentally disrespectful and leaves people trying to help him improve feeling like they wasted their energy and goodwill on nothing. People should follow feedback generally. Obviously there are some times when 'this is my character and I'm doing it how I want' is fine, and obviously some people push for people to change into something they want instead of more objective things to fix, but repeatedly ignoring what people have said over and over and over again for actual years is a problem, just as much as people flaming him is a problem.

Chuchoryu's behaviour is disrespectful to the rest of the community, so others are disrespectful to him, and the mod team is so overzealous that even people trying to warn people away from engaging chuchoryu get punished for being mean to him. That is my view of the situation.

Not taking feedback is his prerrogative, no matter how wrong you might think it is. you are inputing negative qualities to it that are not fact driven but opinion based.

Everyone has the right to be as invested in what they do as a hobbie as they wish, the community cant force a user to be better at it than he wishes to be. You cant consider his actions an aggression. He is effectively being victimized.

You might understand the frustations of the people that dont like his work but you cant justify them like that.

You cant call his unwillingless to improve a problem, being part of the mugen community doesnt mean you have to improve, thats a completely subjective opinion that has no basis on reality. He has the right to suck if he wants, without people insulting him constantly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 03, 2016, 06:25:16 pm
@Umezono: Again, I've never posted in any of his threads.

@Iced: I don't agree. The people offering feedback in good faith and expecting him to improve are.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on March 03, 2016, 06:26:06 pm
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Chuchoryu's behaviour is disrespectful to the rest of the community, so others are disrespectful to him, and the mod team is so overzealous that even people trying to warn people away from engaging chuchoryu get punished for being mean to him. That is my view of the situation.
Chuchoryu doesn't owe shit to you, or anyone else. On the flip side, neither you nor any of us owes shit to Chuchoryu. He isn't entitled to your feedback any more than you're entitled to have your opinions heard by him. The only thing we're all entitled to is minimum civility, and Chuchoryu, with his many flaws, language barrier and lack of netiquette can do that. Asking him any more is foolish.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 03, 2016, 06:28:59 pm
I don't understand why you are talking for these people, most people have just ignored his bad creations and ignored him. Only a select few start this shit in every thread. Those people aren't offering feedback anymore, they're just insulting him and dissuading people from giving feedback (which I understand is what you're protecting)

If those people just said, he probably will not heed your feedback, maybe you'd have a point.

But instead they hurl insults and overreact. The people they try to convince can come to this decision on their own, without insults.

And an expectation to improve, while noble, is not required here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: FeLo_Llop on March 03, 2016, 06:29:50 pm
I agree. Chucho is not disrespectful to the community, he's disrespectful to himself. He has been given LOTS of suggestions, both in spriting or coding and he has been repeating the very same mistakes over and over. He just does not want to improve and that's it.

I once was a TERRIBLE spriter. I then stopped,  and started reading and reading again(English is not my first language) what I was been told. Why?because of two reasons. First, I wanted to improve. And second, because I respect my work. I could add that I also appreciate the time people spends in writring their points of view into my work, so...that's maibly the reason why people is pissed off. We are pretty tiredof writting the same again and again for not receiving AT LEAST a positive reply of him. That's all.


PS: being honorful, I'd say that Chucho at least took some notes on what has been told to him in the spriting area, or at least he learned by himself some mistakes he has to take care of.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Demitri on March 03, 2016, 06:30:58 pm
A creator (or any person for that matter) doesnt have to do anything they dont want to, period.
Whether thats make the hair green, add 3 pixels here, change a song, make boulder sized boobs, or not improve their coding.

In a way, this is a an art form. We can all have our perception of what it is, how it should be, how it could be, but it just is. The end.

edit: can you ppl let me post my post ;-;
edit2: I get the interest in having him improve because he has potential, but if he doesn't want to then just leave him. Is any one even helping him btw? like i see so many people say how bad his stuff is and how he needs to improve but "I" hardly see people give specific help on how he should do these things. He just might not even know how.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 03, 2016, 06:32:36 pm
felo, your process is irrelevant to chuchos. you are two different people.

making assumptions that he doesnt respect himself or his own work is projecting your own standards onto him, and its the kind of behavior i want to end here.

its enough to say his sprites are terrible looking in x and y area, we don't need to get into his psychology and make assumptions about his self-respect. its rude, out of line, unneeded and offtopic.

if you are tired of writing to him, and hes not giving you the response you want, simply move on.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 03, 2016, 06:32:53 pm
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I don't agree. The people offering feedback in good faith and expecting him to improve are.

This is factually wrong. He doesnt owe them anything. 

He can suck at it all he wants, its his right to do so, and it doesnt justify any of the personal attacks that he has had lobbed at him.

He could be releasing mspaint pictures of a stickfigure with a turd attack that didnt have clsn , and ignoring people demands to put some in, that wouldnt make them right in insulting him or attacking him. Thats not how feedback works, the author is not a target for their attacks once he refuses to adapt to their demands.

No matter how outraged the commenters are. Imagine that in any other hobbie, a webcomic artists having to put up with people telling him that he sucks turds because he didnt add black characters to his comic as the feedback demanded.


Hobbies are not a form of contract, Chuchoryu doesnt owe anyone anything, if your feedback isnt well received, you just stop giving it. Ive stopped giving feedback to artists that would shit their pants at suggestions of improvement, I didnt behave as if I should attack them over it.

What I did was I took note of those that took feedback positively and gave them more instead. Some I reunited with in order to work in further projects.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 03, 2016, 06:33:37 pm
I'm on lunch so don't have time to catch up. The problem isn't even about people that warn others not to bother. It's the fact that there is always  someone that defends. Then counter. Then defend. Cycle cycle.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on March 03, 2016, 06:34:29 pm
it's not relevant to this discussion but it's very relevant to you acting like you're above insulting others.
you trolled him and made fun of him for no reason whatsoever while he was (kinda) trying to put things behind his back.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 03, 2016, 06:37:07 pm
The people they try to convince can come to this decision on their own, without insults.

@Umezono: Coming to this realization on one's own fucking sucks and I would like to spare people it wherever possible. I don't want the mod team to go so overboard in trying to protect chuchoryu's feelings that people can't dissuade other people from giving feedback. It will end up punishing the people who still think they can help him improve.

I think you do actually understand exactly where I'm coming from, you mostly said it, just gotta stop and think for a sec.

Regardless, I think I've said my piece, and I do actually have to go for real this time.

(or hold on reading and replying to things that were posted while I wrote this)

@Iced: I never said personal attacks were justified. But personal attacks have causes. Some people attack others when they feel those people have been disrespectful, some don't. Those who do are wrong. But it doesn't mean the disrespect didn't happen, either.

@Just No Point: Very good point that I wasn't considering at all. In that case I guess I support locking his topics down.

(will this actually post this time?)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 03, 2016, 06:39:26 pm
it's not relevant to this discussion but it's very relevant to you acting like you're above insulting others.
you trolled him and made fun of him for no reason whatsoever while he was (kinda) trying to put things behind his back.
Stop bringing mc2 up. The guy was terrible and made his mission statement to mock everyone he could, being mad that other people poked fun at him is dumb.

He literally made several threads about his superiority to every retard in the community while trying to play hurt whenever anyone answered him.

Hes the perfect example of what a normal user shouldnt be. Being mad that people mocked him when he made his whole posting time about flamebaiting and shitting on others is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 03, 2016, 06:43:13 pm
It is impossible to believe that this discussion has gone so far, and is such an easy thing to solve ...

... Do not like the guy's work? IGNORE THEN!

You want to give constructive feedback? DO IT! but in a civilized way!

The person does not listen/read the feedback? Nevermind! Do not bother the creator more! Even if the Chuchoryu to read or have difficulty to read in a proper language and etcetera, or doens't even read.

You lose anything by doing this? NO!
And what you win by doing this? Less fighting for futile reasons. Just simple.

I'm sorry for the outburst, but it really is the kind of thing that would not go that far.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 03, 2016, 06:43:37 pm
it's not relevant to this discussion but it's very relevant to you acting like you're above insulting others.
you trolled him and made fun of him for no reason whatsoever while he was (kinda) trying to put things behind his back.

i never acted like i was above insulting others, i insulted snakebyte (though i really didnt mean to, i just thought his comments were childish), wtf?you think i don't insult people in all that's left and junk? it comes with the territory. we are pretty lax here when it comes to debate and banter.

and when stupid shit in all thats left happens, like a guy making a smear campaign against guild, i am allowed to criticize him. i am also allowed to criticize things such as shinrei calling mugen an in group and making fun of those who dont belong. theres a time and place for everything. but release threads are never the place for it, which you never seem to understand since you often attack people like you are better than them yourself.

i didnt even troll your precious lil buddy mc2. i posted on quote in qotd and made fun of it, something YOU also do regularly as well as EVERYONE else. i don't know what you hope to accomplish here rather than make yourself look even worse, which you're doing a good job of.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: FeLo_Llop on March 03, 2016, 06:45:50 pm
Shinzankuro, people has spoken to Chucho giving feedback even in Spanishand he refused to take it. People is tired of his "I don't mind" behaviour. I can be an asshole sometimes and I am, but I(as some others here) takes what said in consideration.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 03, 2016, 06:54:28 pm
Shinzankuro, people has spoken to Chucho giving feedback even in Spanishand he refused to take it. People is tired of his "I don't mind" behaviour. I can be an asshole sometimes and I am, but I(as some others here) takes what said in consideration.

Yeah, I know that. Even I gived a feedback to him, and I seriously don't remember what character was, and if he even read, altough my english is fucking terrible


But if that fact of him doens't read feedback bothers you guys, it's easy: Let him to live and create what he wants to do. He are not paid to make characters, and even his quality doens't reach a decent level, it's his wishes. You know. Mugen is not a obligation to do, and we doens't have more than one Li-Kun or more than one Felo to do characters we want much on mugen on a perfectly colorful quality. That's how life works. If his works bothers you guys, just ignore and go on.

It's not hard. It's really NOT hard.

And yeah, I agree, if Chucho was take feedback[I really don't know if he WAS taking feedback] seriously, that thing of .. "discussion" never was happened. But again, is his wishes. He can always improves himself on the next times/days/months/years, but until this happens[or not].. Just leave him alone. Probably during that conversation of ours, he are making another beta of another character and doens't even understand what happening here. It's a waste of time to discuss that thing on serious level here, since it's a thing EVERYONE on this forum should learn: BEING CIVIL
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on March 03, 2016, 07:04:03 pm
i don't know what you hope to accomplish here
i want you to understand that my so called insult is not as severe as you think it is. but clearly that's not gonna happen because you just want me to be the bad guy. you're right, there's no point in continuing this. you already set your mind on antagonizing me for everything i say.
and don't be ridiculous "buddy"? i disliked him too. i'm out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 03, 2016, 07:08:53 pm
but you are the bad guy in this instance lmao. you blew your top in a release thread and insulted him for not taking people feedback, and compared his general body of work to shitty fanfiction in a specific characters release thread. and its not the first time youve antagonized him either! who are you trying to fool here :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 03, 2016, 07:09:22 pm
your argument for your insult was basically "i didn't call him a piece of shit, i just compared him to one" which is pretty fucking stupid

Shinzankuro, people has spoken to Chucho giving feedback even in Spanishand he refused to take it. People is tired of his "I don't mind" behaviour.
several people in this thread and in the cvs link thread have made posts directed to you and you've fully ignored them. you're doing the same thing you're complaining about
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: FeLo_Llop on March 03, 2016, 07:20:12 pm
It was a sarcasm since the first line. Chucho only replies to posts like "wow nice char +1!". Just wrote the post and just after the "it was a sarcasm". Man, it's not that difficult to understand. I agree it's ironic I didn't reply. Just look at the whole picture. Do you feel bad because I did not replied to you? That's how people feels about Chucho ignoring every post. Welcome to the whole problem.

No quiero que entiendas esto de una manera ofensiva, no ha sido mi intención.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on March 03, 2016, 07:25:37 pm
i didnt even troll your precious lil buddy mc2. i posted on quote in qotd and made fun of it

and that made him ragequit?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 03, 2016, 07:30:01 pm
Christ Jesus I cannot believe it's current year and I still have to spend at least 1 week every month with the same goddamn Chucho discussion mucking up Random Posts
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 03, 2016, 07:33:34 pm
i didnt even troll your precious lil buddy mc2. i posted on quote in qotd and made fun of it

and that made him ragequit?
Are you here to discuss the problems at hand or are you just going to keep making off-topic, unnecessary quips to try to look cool?


And I love how my suggestions for how staff need to change the way to go about things (not the thread-locking, jesus) are being ignored because that's a bigger problem, and part of why we're here having to discuss simple solutions such as banning repeat offenders in the first place. I'm not saying to hand out bans left and right, nor am I saying it should be done all the time, but come on.

You want to know what else wouldn't happen in any other community? Shit thread katamari (especially in a board that constantly complains about shitposts), users who do nothing but make sarcastic/satirical/snarky quips and never post in the most relevant sections of the community (no, All That's Left is not MUGEN-related), barking at users constantly until they are driven out when their behavior is not satisfactory rather than kicking them out when you're fed up. The latter, you even make a public affair out of so every user can take a shot at them, and the people doing this are granted immunity simply because you don't like them. It's a goddamn witch burning.

Users constantly act up and you wonder why they're acting up because you never stop to think that there's a problem with your approach or philosophy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 03, 2016, 09:51:17 pm
I can't really discuss anything because I'm stuck at work for the next few days working 12 hour shifts! :p

Anyway just to put a nail in a part of the coffin I want to break the discussion into simpler chunks at some point.
Locking his threads is not on the table. So that part of the discussion can be done with. Like it or hate it.

I'll try to focus on more later.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on March 03, 2016, 10:42:07 pm
Y'all niggas need to kick back, relax, smoke a joint (if it's legal in your jurisdiction) (or not, I don't care). This shouldn't be that big of a deal.

On a sidenote, JZ, that analogy you made eaier about dogs shitting in the house? That could apply to the users that enter the threads and just unleash a torrent of vitirol. If you know those users are going to be abrasive and rude, give 'em a time-out. I mean seriously, the whole locking the threads bit, if we were to further use that analogy, would be like replacing the carpet with a red hot BBQ grill for a floor. The dog's not going to shit in the room any more, but the people that legitimately want to casually say "nice we got a CVS Elsa" won't be able to drop by either, leaving chuchoryu with no feedback at all, positive or not, regardless if he's paying attention.

If you want a more extreme example, pretend that chuchoryu is that video Youtube LP'er Markiplier did of him putting on makeup with one hand while simultaneously playing a video game with the other. The "nice char +1" posts are the equivalent of all the 12-year-olds that found it funny that a grown-ass man was putting on makeup. The vid also generated a lot of angry comments saying that he's being transphobic and even some threatening to physically beat him up (incidentally I know of at least one member on this board that did so, but that's irrelevant). Those are the angry comments in chucho's threads.

If you're getting mad at something, get away from it. That's all there is to it. If you can't control yourself, you deserve someone giving you a slap on the wrist.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 03, 2016, 10:49:21 pm
On a sidenote, JZ, that analogy you made eaier about dogs shitting in the house? That could apply to the users that enter the threads and just unleash a torrent of vitirol. If you know those users are going to be abrasive and rude, give 'em a time-out.
That's precisely what I was referring to.

I mean seriously, the whole locking the threads bit, if we were to further use that analogy, would be like replacing the carpet with a red hot BBQ grill for a floor. The dog's not going to shit in the room any more, but the people that legitimately want to casually say "nice we got a CVS Elsa" won't be able to drop by either, leaving chuchoryu with no feedback at all, positive or not, regardless if he's paying attention.
Exactly, it's an extreme solution, but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway because if they just keep deleting posts "in the cycle," they're almost doing the same thing.

If you're getting mad at something, get away from it. That's all there is to it. If you can't control yourself, you deserve someone giving you a slap on the wrist.
And that's something we all agree on. But these users have had enough wrist-slaps, hence the "NO" part in the analogy. You can't just keep saying "NO" and expect it to change at some point.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 03, 2016, 10:55:59 pm
I mean seriously, the whole locking the threads bit, if we were to further use that analogy, would be like replacing the carpet with a red hot BBQ grill for a floor. The dog's not going to shit in the room any more, but the people that legitimately want to casually say "nice we got a CVS Elsa" won't be able to drop by either, leaving chuchoryu with no feedback at all, positive or not, regardless if he's paying attention.
Exactly, it's an extreme solution, but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway because if they just keep deleting posts "in the cycle," they're almost doing the same thing.

This was my entire point in posting to begin with: They can drop by at MMV, and most people know that, so that isn't really an issue.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on March 03, 2016, 10:59:27 pm
Again, it's the individual poster's fault, not chucho's. If they're going to keep coming back even after getting multiple bannings, then THEY'RE the ones with the problem, not chuchoryu. He and the rest of the community shouldn't be punished because a few "holier-than-thou" assholes (on both sides) can't keep their mouths shut.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 03, 2016, 11:01:48 pm
That was just one half of the argument. The other, dealing with the users, is that more severe punishments (such as bans) are not being handed out to them, and it's become apparent that they should be.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on March 03, 2016, 11:05:10 pm
There's already a decent "ramp-up" banning thing going on tho. Every subsequent ban's duration lasts longer, so under "normal" circumstances, those people should get the hint by now. If they can't, they have problems that are beyond the scope of a forum dedicated to a hobby.

EDIT: And of course if those people aren't getting noticed, nothing wrong with hitting the "report" button
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 04, 2016, 01:16:21 am
But the problem is that they HAVE been noticed and the response has been to continue stripping out the offending posts.

The staff have some options
1: Repeating their current actions in the hopes that people will magically change
2: Banning the users
3: Locking the threads
4: deleting the threads
5: banning the user who made the thread causing all the problems in the first place.

1 obviously doesn't work, they're trying it now and it's failing
2 this could easily be done, they are being disruptive and insulting, simply need to keep track of who is breaking the rules
3 is really easy and could be tested before being implemented but is apparently off the table
4 this is unlikely but would totally work
5 this isn't actually a solution but is at the other extreme from simply "dealing with it"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 04, 2016, 02:39:24 am
I alluded to it earlier that maybe it just needs to be enforced harder.

The most recent bump of Chuchoryu's thread is a example. It starts with a post that contributes nothing, never mind not being funny either. And instead of firmly stopping the derail before it went any further, it was allowed to fester and generated 10-15 more responses, almost none of which was talking about the characters. That's how release threads turn to shit.

Even much earlier in the thread, with Gennos post. Yeah he was rightfully told to cool it, but apparently no one got the message to stay on topic, which allowed "the cycle" to continue.

Basically, I think releases need to be treated more seriously. I mean, someone pours hours of work (good or not) into making a artistic work. And they come to find that most of the discussion in the comments section is (at best) semi-unrelated nonsense? Kinda disrespectful.

Thing is, from everything I gather, people do a good job on this for the most part. The average release thread is orderly and everything is fine. Of course there's gonna be the few threads (like Chuchoryu's) where people feel compelled to speak of other matters (him as a creator being the usual) that deviate from the topic, which is the characters themselves.

Diverging from the topic has more leniency in more general discussions, like on "the other side" of the forum. Or mugen discussion. But for release threads, the focus should remain strictly on the character, or stage, or whatever. No disrespect, but I don't think a good enough job is done on that matter.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 04, 2016, 03:21:28 am
Alright then. Several things have been brought up. I want to go back through the thread and read everything again to cover points that have been brought up but I don't have the time to do that tonight.

So for now we can focus on the Releases issue.
Here's what I want to do. I say want. This isn't final. This is up for discussion. Talk about pros and cons, alternatives, etc.

If you blatantly insult an author in a release thread you're banned. The only exceptions might be if you are new. And then it still depends on the severity of your blatant insults.

This next part may only apply to Chochoryu threads but could be used in other threads if needed.

If the "cycle" I spoke about starts up it'll be deleted. A warning will be given and the next person that restarts the cycle will get banned. Thread will be cleared of offtopic again and we carry on.

To note: This would mean that the posts JZ and Jennos made would have been an instant ban. Yes Gennos, saying someone is like an insult is the same as insulting them.

Up till now I'd preferred to use my own sometimes flawed internal checks. JZ, your post was well worthy of ban even in the old system but I still carry some of the old values in me a bit. You hadn't been in trouble for over 10 months from checking and you had been being very helpful and releasing works. I have a bad habit of giving people that are actively helping and developing a bit more wiggle room.

So, how does this system sound?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 04, 2016, 03:25:11 am
I only made said post in order to force this discussion anyway, so sounds alright to me.

Unconventional, but it certainly worked.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 04, 2016, 03:26:22 am
If this ends definitely the shitstorm on every Chucho's release, that's fine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 04, 2016, 03:27:10 am
Sounds good
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 04, 2016, 03:28:57 am
I should note. If a mod sees the crap starting and can't deal with it at the time it would be a good idea to lock the thread and report the post.

I'm mostly saying this to establish my own method of handling these issues if I'm at work. I only get 2 20 minute breaks and 1 30 minute lunch!!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: hatter on March 04, 2016, 03:30:17 am
Sounds like a plan, boss.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on March 04, 2016, 03:31:39 am
It'll work.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on March 04, 2016, 03:32:16 am
It seems reasonable enough
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 04, 2016, 03:37:26 am
i don't think it's worth an instant ban, that's way too harsh. i'd say it's worth one warning and the next one is a ban. it would put the user on a warning level that is right next to a ban. it should be assumed that posters are humans that understand words and warnings. if they don't they get banned.

any other alternatives (locking the thread, banning chuchoryu, putting a huge "This Guy Doesn't Take Feedback" sign in his posts) would just single him out and are worse than the current situation. most people realized that he doesn't really address most of the feedback he gets so they don't bother. the current "system" works, offtopic posts in release threads are usually deleted or moved and the guilty parties are warned, but it's not being enforced, otherwise his latest release thread would have a lot less posts. gennos' posts comparing him with a shitty fanfic writer is still there.

Spoiler: RE: felo (click to see content)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 04, 2016, 03:41:32 am
I only made said post in order to force this discussion anyway, so sounds alright to me.

Unconventional, but it certainly worked.
I don't wish for conflict but I have to call this out as BS, man. You totally could have made the exact same post you made here in this thread (or a new topic) without insulting Chuchoryu. It's really stretching it to suggest your vitriol in his thread was a needed evil for this discussion to occur.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 04, 2016, 03:42:43 am
Needed? No. Effective? Yes.

It's like the time several others and I were "late" to a school meeting in high school and they locked us out of the room. People could have kept jiggling the doorknob, but that's only a minor annoyance. So I decided to go overboard tackle the door. I wasn't big and burly, so not once did I seriously expect it would break the door down. But it did piss them off so they'd have no choice but to eventually open the door. And it worked.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 04, 2016, 03:45:16 am
You're suggesting this outcome couldn't have been possible without it. That's master plan status there. It'd be easier to just say, "yeah that was cheap of me but it got me thinking."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 04, 2016, 03:46:39 am
Not saying the outcome wasn't possible, but I doubt we would have reached it this quickly. If I hadn't said anything, the cycle would just happen a few more times. But enough was enough, people needed to shut the fuck up and let Chuchoryu do his thing.

So was it cheap? Yes. But it was effective.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 04, 2016, 03:54:19 am
holy shit are you full of yourself. This isnt mature , this isnt polite, this isnt even a plan.
You freaked the fuck out and are trying to cover your ass now
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Watch how quickly he falls out of relevance once people stop replying to his shit. Maybe, just maybe, he'll realize how little people give a shit about his MUGEN-equivalent-of-shovelware creations when he sees how nobody is trying to improve his sixteenth-assed (not even half-assed, not even quarter-assed, not even eighth-assed, but sixteenth-assed) crap and get his shit in gear and actually do something about it

Chuchoryu, you fucking suck and should either give up or improve. That's what everyone's wanted to tell you and that's what nobody has the balls to tell you directly, apparently.


You cant possible try to act as if this is anything other than a childish tantrum. Get real.

Acting as if somehow everyone is just not smart enough to see your "PLAN".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 04, 2016, 03:56:09 am
As usual, you give me too much credit where it isn't due and not enough credit where it is.

I've accepted that you guys will try to perceive me as the villain, that you'll always take action when you see an "outburst" from me, and used that to my advantage here. I played you like a fiddle.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 04, 2016, 03:58:22 am
are you for fucking real, dude
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 04, 2016, 04:00:09 am
lol how is that "letting chuchoryu do his thing"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 04, 2016, 04:00:26 am
@Just No Point: Where are you drawing the line for insults?

Specifically:

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Chuchoryu, you fucking suck and should either give up or improve. That's what everyone's wanted to tell you and that's what nobody has the balls to tell you directly, apparently.

We can agree that this is something that should merit staff action. Not totally sure I'm on board with going from zero to ban, but that's irrelevant for now.

Quote
Want Chuchoryu to improve? Ignore him. Watch how quickly he falls out of relevance once people stop replying to his shit. Maybe, just maybe, he'll realize how little people give a shit about his MUGEN-equivalent-of-shovelware creations when he sees how nobody is trying to improve his sixteenth-assed (not even half-assed, not even quarter-assed, not even eighth-assed, but sixteenth-assed) crap and get his shit in gear and actually do something about it.

What about this part?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 04, 2016, 04:01:22 am


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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 04, 2016, 04:01:59 am
Not that I don't see the game you're playing with that post but you did see that I didn't vilify you, right?

Guess the post wasn't needed. But it was effective... :/

4 replies have been posted while--- bahhhh
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on March 04, 2016, 04:05:48 am
lol chuchoryu so OP he indirectly got JZ banned.

Walt was right, Chuchoryu is an unstoppable force.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on March 04, 2016, 04:06:29 am
@Just No Point: Where are you drawing the line for insults?
Was going to ask this but I don't think it's really difficult to know what the line is, if you feel the need to insult the creator then I don't think there's even a line there, you're being a dick, especially if you were involved in this thing or are aware of it.

The only question I still have is if insulting the creation counts as an insult or not ("This is shit" for example), I'm assuming no so as long as it's not leading into a direct insult but just asking for some clarification so it's clear to everyone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 04, 2016, 04:06:57 am
Walt was right, Chuchoryu is an unstoppable force.
he can barely speak english and probably has no idea what he just caused lol
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 04, 2016, 04:08:39 am
if staff were actively trying to make him look like a villain he would've been instantly banned after that chuchoryu post and nobody would've complained because it was extremely out of line

Everyone was willing to hear it out and see what he thought about it, because so long has passed and certainly he was just too heated up from it. But he had to go the "Just as PLANNED" route. Holy crap.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on March 04, 2016, 04:09:26 am
JZ got banned! fuck man i can't help but to think this is my all fault.
i won't post in chochoryu threads anymore, i stopped doing that and i guess it should've stayed that way :/
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 04, 2016, 04:12:44 am
I'd actually like to do the 1 warning thing like titlin said. You guys know how much I hate banning. Me and Iced talked the current version over and he really didn't want to give on the 1 warning thing.

As for insults. You know we are typically pretty lenient. If you're going to insult the creation you best have some good feedback to back it up. Insulting the creator won't be tolerated.

Obviously there may be special cases for example: an argument. 2 people going back and forth and one gets too heated and gets out of line. Unless they completely melt down it wouldn't be an instant ban. There should definitely be a warning there 1st
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 04, 2016, 04:15:45 am
@BerryBox: Exactly. I'd characterize the second bit I quoted as attacking his work, not him, though the added structure of talking about what he might think makes it questionable.

That said, I'm finding it more and more fucked up how radically different mods' standards of acceptable behaviour are from sub-board to sub-board.

I'm also gonna try to explain what I think Gennos meant because it's been bugging me and I don't think he deserves the shit he's getting: 'shitty fanfiction writer' was a comparison. You can slap the name of a character on to anything and act like it's them but when they have nothing of the characterization of that character, it really isn't. That was the comparison to chuchoryu's mugen works; his, say, Tekken character resembles the actual Tekken character about as much as someone writing Naruto as a high school student in a crossover with Phoenix Wright as the principal does either of those characters.

Gotta do more than edit some CVS sprites and lazily string some moves together to make a character that feels like the character. Gotta do more than use an existing character's name in a fanfic to make your writing feel like that character.

It's... not really a personal insult, it's a condemnation of his output. It just wasn't really well communicated.

@Just No Point: That makes me feel better about it. Also assuming we're talking temp bans on the usual escalating scale not 'fuck you you're out of here forever' bans. I'm not sure what I know--I've been here for a LONG time and standards change. This is more sensitivity to insults than I remember. That's why I'm asking.

(edit: dear anyone using the age of this account to look up my mugen e-peen, i lurked this board accountless for a few years while being active at infantry)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 04, 2016, 04:19:40 am
Yeah, the escalating ban system.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 04, 2016, 04:22:52 am
Mods are different people, with radically differieng viewpoints- JNP likes it that way. You can't expect us to act as some hivemind. We have a private and public staff board to discuss our views, and sometimes vote on certain things. This is how we work, nothing fucked up about it. One mod can be more lenient than another, than get cited for it in a staff discussion because other mods disagreed. Similar situation for if someone goes too hard on somebody.

Also, the quality of Chucho's general output HAS ANSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with that specific character's thread. Again we are looking at policing release threads to make sure discussion is civil and kept on the character itself, not your perceptions of the author. And even then; if Gennos had said, "well this is like most of his other characters because it lacks such and such and he doesn't heed feedback, so dont bother" rather than trying to look cool by insulting him I would have been inclined to be more lenient.

Sensitivity to insults - insults are allowed on this forum. They just have no place in a release thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 04, 2016, 04:25:51 am
You misread me, I wasn't expecting you to act in a hivemind.

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Sensitivity to insults - insults are allowed on this forum. They just have no place in a release thread.

This is what I was referring to; from board to board, not mod to mod.

A bad way of communicating an idea isn't necessarily an insult.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 04, 2016, 04:29:56 am
Since we are updating the rules of the forum anyway it'd probably be a good idea to list the stricter boards there. Because there is definitely a sliding scale tier system for what a person can get away with depending on the board they are in.

We kinda started it by posting our stance on necros
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 04, 2016, 04:32:04 am
There are plenty of bad ways to communicate a message, but his choice of words made his intention pretty clear. He was speaking extremely negative about his work ethic/process. Sure it is a subjective gray area, but in this case his words are extremely skewed towards "im insulting you" rather than "im trying to do a sevrice to this community." i suppose it was a mix of both in your eyes, or maybe just the latter, but to most it looks enough like a blatant offtopic insult that we can take action.

I don't know if you've made the argument that chucho's general work ethic is ontopic for a release thread, and it sort of is, but a release thread is still for discussion of the character. Incorporating that into your feedback maybe, in a respectful way, could fly for me at least. But just making the whole focus of your post his work ethic, and especially littering it with insults, just steers direction to the pissing contests we are getting.

board to board - well, i've been lurking here for years and im attuned the general temperament and atmosphere of the board. as it stands, less official board are obviously gonna have more free reign to say what you want. mugen discussion especially. but release threads are formal affair meant for feedback and sharing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 04, 2016, 04:43:08 am
@Just No Point: I would appreciate that. It's common sense to some degree, but not to the degree it is apparently enforced.

Some people, myself included (though as far as I'm aware I'm not guilty of this particular issue), do better with clear sets of rules instead of falling on the wrong side of subjective judgement. It's clear if you're you, it's clear-ish if you're me because I read this and the public staff threads every so often for entertainment, I'm sure it's opaque as fuck to others who don't hang around as much.

@Umezono: I think you're applying your equally subjective interpretation to everyone else, without basis. To me it was clearly someone shitty at communicating who meant something pretty uncontroversial but had it come out wrong. His responses later pretty much confirmed it. Speaking extremely negative about his work ethic/process was relevant here, it was addressing someone else trying to give feedback. There are other times talking about the author instead of just the character would be off-topic, but the thrust of the post wasn't 'chuch is awful, fuck him' it was 'chuch doesn't take feedback and he doesn't put the effort in to make his characters feel like the characters they're supposed to be adaptations of, don't waste your time'. I could have said the same thing as Gennos but used a few more sentences and you wouldn't have done a thing, but I write for a hobby/have written for a living in the past and am better at language than the average Guild poster.

But honestly, my arguments before are kind of irrelevant. JNP's point about what I was advocating for--posts like that one, that dissuade people from giving feedback to those that won't take it--is that they lead to people defending the creator, to more drama blowing up, etc. That's valid and I don't have a solution other than shutting the threads down, that's off the table, so all you're going to do is keep the problem as it is and ban a bunch more people. Utterly fails to solve the problem in my eyes, but I'm not going to win you guys over here, so there's not much point in going on.

Also, there's no way for me to say this without being a dick and making it personal at this point, but my underlying point there was that you shouldn't be insulting people any time you're acting in a staff capacity; feedback threads are public member/staff interaction, should be a high standard there, same when handing out bans or telling people to knock shit off. I've never been the type to demand staff be professional all the time, that's dumb for so many reasons, but when you have the staff hat on there should be a higher standard.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 04, 2016, 04:47:53 am
ok so now that I'm finally done reading through the entirety of this current discussion in thread I can give an actual reply

I don't think banning people immediately, with no warnings or anything, makes a ton of sense. We already have a system that can take care of this stuff; it might need some adjustments to handle stuff like what happens in Chuchoryu's threads, and should be more strongly enforced, but it's ultimately pretty sound.

So what I suggest is that we tighten up the way we moderate in MUGEN development/release sections a bit. In this specific instance with Chuchoryu's newest thread, Gennos's and JZ's initial posts should've been removed, and either get warned in thread or via PM: stomping out any potential derailments before they begin by removing inflammatory posts that offer nothing of value. The old/current method, which waits for a derailment to actually get started before removing posts, tends to lead to blowups like this.

The only question I still have is if insulting the creation counts as an insult or not ("This is shit" for example), I'm assuming no so as long as it's not leading into a direct insult but just asking for some clarification so it's clear to everyone.
Depends on the context; some screed of a post filled with "this is shitty shit shit and it sucks donkey balls and it's a pox upon the whole of mankind" and similar types of nonsense can be safely be lumped in with all the other bad behavior we're talking about, but it'd take a lot to get to that level. Saying "this character is kinda shitty" or something doesn't really scream out to me as requiring moderator action.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 04, 2016, 04:51:00 am
Just speaking from experience moderating other places: Odds of mods being on enough to snip out offending posts before blowups happen, every time, all the time? Super low.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 04, 2016, 04:52:23 am
So what I suggest is that we tighten up the way we moderate in MUGEN development/release sections a bit. In this specific instance with Chuchoryu's newest thread, Gennos's and JZ's initial posts should've been removed, and either get warned in thread or via PM:

I' say in thread, so any would be white knights can see that the person got warned and be more discouraged to get on their white horse.

Depends on the context; some screed of a post filled with "this is shitty shit shit and it sucks donkey balls and it's a pox upon the whole of mankind" and similar types of nonsense can be safely be lumped in with all the other bad behavior we're talking about, but it'd take a lot to get to that level. Saying "this character is kinda shitty" or something doesn't really scream out to me as requiring moderator action.

for all the talk about "work ethic" in a silly hobbie board, the "client" ethic of that same people is absolutely awful.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 04, 2016, 04:53:04 am
I called you childish, I'm not sure this is really as horrible as you're making it out to be. I didn't even insult Gennos, I told him exactly what he's been cited for staff for. So all I did was make one statement: "I feel like I'm lecturing a child" and while it may have been super unprofessional to you it was hardly earth-shattering and it was me being candid. You are painting this out as if I am treating you guys like the people in Chucho's thread treat him. It's false equivalency to me, but I apologized specifically so this cyclical argument ends.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 04, 2016, 04:54:55 am
I don't see a difference between that and what happened in Chucho's thread at all, only the board it happened in and who said it.

I'm not sitting here being mad or vindictive, but... I'm not seeing a difference.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 04, 2016, 05:00:55 am
Did I compare you to a shitty fanfic writer? Did I tell you to fuck off? Did I accuse you of a history of mediocrity and use that as a basis to assail you with random unfounded insults? No. I was exasperated and defensive over being accused of moral posturing and made one off color comment. We don't see eye-to-eye on this- fine. I respect it.

On the Gennos thing - again, he tried to bring up irrelevant points to make himself look better, which I responded to. Unless anyone else here thinks Gennos is in the right, you are like the only person who is advocating for what he's said up to this point.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 04, 2016, 05:01:44 am
There's a fairly enormous difference in a lengthy list of insults culminating in equating someone to a shitty fan-fiction writer and what Ume said. :-\

Just speaking from experience moderating other places: Odds of mods being on enough to snip out offending posts before blowups happen, every time, all the time? Super low.
In this specific instance, we had two mods in the thread before it went out of control, doing the usual method. Pretty lucky that time, but it definitely doesn't happen all the time. So let's pretend that none of the staff saw the thread until, I dunno, it got to page three: I would say the best thing to do then is pretty much exactly the same thing I said before, warn JZ and Gennos, and remove not only the initial posts but the entire derailment.

Which is essentially how things are currently done, because it already mostly works. We just need to tighten things up, actually enforce the warnings so that repeat offenders get banned when they repeat their behavior in another thread, ignoring the prior warning they got.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 04, 2016, 05:05:25 am
There's a fairly enormous difference in a lengthy list of insults culminating in equating someone to a shitty fan-fiction writer and what Ume said. :-\

Gennos wrote four sentences, most of which weren't insults, and the ones that were attacked his work. You're right; the enormous difference is that Ume's conduct in this topic is worse.

edit: No one told anyone to fuck off...? Why the dishonesty?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 04, 2016, 05:10:25 am
I've been around this block 400 times with you and if you really think me calling you childish and telling Gennos why MC2 left the forum and that he has been cited numerous times by staff for being aggressive towards chucho, is worse than the conduct in that thread I'm throwing my hands up. Especially considering I made a distinction that release threads are far less lax than other boards. If you don't think a moderator has made an off color comment like "childish" in the feedback board, you're being delusional.

Your perceived moral outrage is even more hard to believe that what you accused me of. Damn.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 04, 2016, 05:13:17 am
Now you're calling me delusional? Nice double-down on the hostility. You really just can't stop insulting people, can you?

Staff posting in the feedback board shouldn't have less stringent punishments for insults than ordinary users in release boards. That's the point I'm making here. It's nothing to do with moral outrage.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 04, 2016, 05:15:36 am
It's unbelievable that just because Chucho's subject bring that kind of WAR on this forum. [Or only this thread, at least] :(

I mean, look the first page of the forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 04, 2016, 05:17:16 am
I thought what Gennos said was quite insulting. I've said this before but Gennos just has a hard time expressing himself in general. The way he words things. The stigma he's inadvertently made for himself. It all adds to it.

Umezono tends to get on the hyperbole train a lot. And he called you childish. Childish < shitty fan fic writer
Calling someone childish isn't a huge insult. I mean he didn't have to say it but it doesn't equate to all this either!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 04, 2016, 05:18:19 am
Childish isnt ANYWHERE NEAR the same league of insult as that. But I've said that 500 times.

You don't want to give up I guess, but all your proving is that you believe what I said above which is childish in itself. Good job. A+ Snakebyte. You have really exposed my corrupt conduct.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 04, 2016, 05:19:32 am
Childish isnt ANYWHERE NEAR the same league of insult as that. But I've said that 500 times.

You don't want to give up I guess, but all your proving is that you believe what I said above which is childish in itself. Good job. A+ Snakebyte. You have really exposed my corrupt conduct.
^ see? hyperbole :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on March 04, 2016, 05:20:33 am
I'll add onto JNP and Ume's posts by saying that the MUGEN sections of the forum are, in fact, designed to be more restrictive and strict and limited than everywhere else on the forum. That applies to everything from necro posting to what tenor of posts is allowed.

Not that anything Ume's said in this topic would be out of place in the MUGEN sections, mind.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: NiO ErZeBeTh on March 04, 2016, 05:20:47 am
I'd actually like to do the 1 warning thing like titlin said. You guys know how much I hate banning. Me and Iced talked the current version over and he really didn't want to give on the 1 warning thing.

IMO, you should go to the Ban scaling thing... JZ is not a bad user, he just overreacted to it, he outburst, I don't think I even like him haha but that's not just, also I want to believe he could be better... if not, there should be a next ban and we will know...

Permabanning at the first problem is a lazy solution, not only will make people to stop commenting, there could be more shitstorms if people think the ban was undeserved or be scare to be critical in threads...

Can I put my personal example here? I hope so xD
Walt and Iced deleted me from FB from a movie spoiler, that I do admit was a shitty move because it reached to more people than it was intended... ok, that's fine... then here I share an SFV video I found on FB and Walt comes in and say to everybody they should not trust the link I put in because I somehow become a tricky-liar-scammer on the forum just because I "shared" a movie image on my FB that both didn't like... the thing here (and it got me talking with Iced) is that they need to go down his banning ideas a few levels, Iced told me I could be banned or even removed from my options to put links and images, when it's clear I have never put anything harmful on this site, I was even seriously thinking to just ban my account if I was going to be banned or censored for that (it would even sound silly when asked... why are you not on MFG anymore?... aaah I share a spoiler on FB...
I know this example can be a bit offtopic but I think it also adds to JZ case about how some users get an idea of another users and how they think they should "protect" anothers from said users or just join a shitfest adding nothing to the thread but hate or empty posts. You just need 1 user to start and others will come...
 
Anyways 1 mistake-strike is not enough and should be not enough to ban and satanize a user, that's like being on school, make a mistake and get out of the class forever without time to redemption and learning...

And even if I have my differencies with Iced, his points here are right, he just need to be more tolerant about the forum management and his banning system.

And please, this mentality has to die
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People aren't acting out for no reason, they're acting out because people are supposed to take input from the community and improve; not doing so is fundamentally disrespectful and leaves people trying to help him improve feeling like they wasted their energy and goodwill on nothing
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Shinzankuro, people has spoken to Chucho giving feedback even in Spanishand he refused to take it. People is tired of his "I don't mind" behaviour. I can be an asshole sometimes and I am, but I(as some others here) takes what said in consideration.

No one owes you a thing... this is even sad...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 04, 2016, 05:22:05 am
Childish isnt ANYWHERE NEAR the same league of insult as that. But I've said that 500 times.

You don't want to give up I guess, but all your proving is that you believe what I said above which is childish in itself. Good job. A+ Snakebyte. You have really exposed my corrupt conduct.
^ see? hyperbole :P

lol gimme a break, as if saying that me calling someone childish is some seriously huge insult isn't hyperbole in itself
i hate u mom
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 04, 2016, 05:22:59 am
Even more insults. Could you stop jumping to hostility every time someone questions you and engage members with respect?

If release boards are a no-insult zone, staff posts when acting as staff should be too. It makes no sense to allow insults in one but not the other.

Even now, he's attacking me for trying to nail down a policy issue, and made it so that anything I say will just be met with more ridicule.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on March 04, 2016, 05:23:56 am
Snakebyte i really appreciate your defense of me and how you viewed this situation. but i'm not losing sleep over this, and i really don't want to see someone else get banned because of stupid shit that i started.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 04, 2016, 05:28:41 am
he's not going to get banned? and neither are you.

I stand behind my comments. I found one of your posts childish. I found another post delusional. I am entitled to thos eopinions. They are nowhere near the same order as the chuchoryu comments.

I can get accused of hyperbole sure, cause I get heated when I have to say the same thing over and over. However nothing I've said is like way out of line with moderator conduct here, and you are just trying to justify that it is by comparing two wildly different boards
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 04, 2016, 05:29:42 am
Nio, it is the ban scaling thing. No 1 strike perma bans.

Umezono, NOPE! His is over reaction! You got pure hyperbole going because you color it up so so much more. Now go to your room! BTW the hyperbole isn't a huge deal but I don't think it's working with Snakebyte. But then again when Snakebyte gets upset it seems pretty difficult to make it right with him so idunno... I'm sure I just inadvertently insulted multiple people here so I'll just go on to bed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 04, 2016, 05:33:40 am
Lol "color things up" as if I am a gigantic rainbow of exaggeration

Yeah I probably am
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 04, 2016, 05:34:04 am
I'm not upset. I'm kinda irritated now because I'm being characterized as being upset. I said earlier I wasn't sitting here being angry or vindictive about it; I'm asking whether it is viewed as appropriate conduct from a mod or not in this context, and suggesting that it shouldn't be if it is.

Jesus christ, I don't actually give a fuck on a personal level. Like I said, I'm talking about a possible issue with how the forum is run. If mods are insulting people when acting as mods (as in, not shitposting in other boards) while also policing insults elsewhere with hair-trigger fingers, that seems... bad? Hypocritical? Likely to anger people? An issue that should be addressed?

Umezono 'made it right' with me many posts ago, but that doesn't mean there isn't still a professional issue here that should be addressed if this is indicative of how he acts all the time?

If he wasn't a mod I'd have dropped it forever ago.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 04, 2016, 05:38:54 am
Jesus, a professional issue? I was brought on here cause Iced like when I told that MDI guy he was elitist and elaborated on why.

I'm a strongly opinionated person, none of those opinions are equivalent to what I am trying to stop in the release board.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Aldo on March 04, 2016, 05:39:28 am
So... anyone came up with something for this chuchoryu "issue"? I just read that there is a new thread with updated rules and stuff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: NiO ErZeBeTh on March 04, 2016, 05:42:33 am
Nio, it is the ban scaling thing. No 1 strike perma bans.

Umezono, NOPE! His is over reaction! You got pure hyperbole going because you color it up so so much more. Now go to your room! BTW the hyperbole isn't a huge deal but I don't think it's working with Snakebyte. But then again when Snakebyte gets upset it seems pretty difficult to make it right with him so idunno... I'm sure I just inadvertently insulted multiple people here so I'll just go on to bed.

good, this should work, I have been deadling with it in a FB group I'm the admin... and it work... if the user doesn't adapt, he can leave or he could be banned if it's still doing bad posts or wrong behavior.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 04, 2016, 05:45:23 am
People wielding power over others have to take extra care not to act rashly or be dicks while they're doing it, that's really my entire point. As someone who's spent entirely too much fucking time modding forums and had to deal with people far more fucking psycho than I am, you'd probably benefit from taking more care with what you say when you're actually posting AS staff (feedback thread/warning/banning/etc).

If not, you'll probably find you cause conflict even when you're trying to stop it, and other staff might get on your ass about it eventually.

I know tone is awful on the internet, and we misread eachother's tone earlier which caused this to flare up a bit again, but this is honestly just meant as helpful advice. Not sarcastic 'helpful advice', actual helpful advice.

That's it from me on this topic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on March 04, 2016, 05:46:28 am
Like I said, I'm talking about a possible issue with how the forum is run. If mods are insulting people when acting as mods (as in, not shitposting in other boards) while also policing insults elsewhere with hair-trigger fingers, that seems... bad? Hypocritical? Likely to anger people? An issue that should be addressed?

That'd a great point in some community where "childish" and "delusional" are seen as the terrible, terrible ageist and ableist slurs they are. The problem is that we're MFG, not Tumblr :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 04, 2016, 05:49:53 am
(Actually hold on. Forgot to respond to a couple things earlier.)

I thought what Gennos said was quite insulting. I've said this before but Gennos just has a hard time expressing himself in general. The way he words things. The stigma he's inadvertently made for himself. It all adds to it.

^ This.

Snakebyte i really appreciate your defense of me and how you viewed this situation. but i'm not losing sleep over this, and i really don't want to see someone else get banned because of stupid shit that i started.

No problem, and don't worry, I'm fine.

That'd a great point in some community where "childish" and "delusional" are seen as the terrible, terrible ageist and ableist slurs they are. The problem is that we're MFG, not Tumblr :P

Given that people were losing their minds over "shitty fanfic-writer"... :P

(we're good now)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 04, 2016, 06:11:55 am
lol chuchoryu so OP he indirectly got JZ banned.

Walt was right, Chuchoryu is an unstoppable force.
in some parts of latinamerica chucho is short for "jesus". in others chucho is slang for "dog". dog spelled backwards in english is "god"

chuchoryu creates so many characters in such little time by suing the negative energy of the people surrounsing his creations (the people who hate him and the ones who hate the haters). he uses this force of destruction to create a world with strong adversaries for him to fight. why do you think he self-inserts in all his releases. just look at all the chaos that revolves around him. and he doesn't even have to do anything! (or does he... ?)

this world is far too boring for him, so he will create an exciting world for him from the ashes of the old world

chuchoryu is hate
chuchoryu is death

chuchoryu will bring forth chaos and destruciton to us all and from our ashes a new world will begin anew. a world where he reigns supreme among his own creations that he will consider his worthy adversaries. for him we are only the nourishment to bring forth a new era.... the era of chuchoryu

fear him!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 04, 2016, 10:58:57 am
I should note. If a mod sees the crap starting and can't deal with it at the time it would be a good idea to lock the thread and report the post.

I'm not a mod, but hey, I reported a post! Did anyone look at it? Not at all!
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/your-releases-older-mugen-re-cvs-link-and-cvs-anastasia-172573.0.html
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on March 04, 2016, 11:05:25 am
I looked at it! I was just focussing on this thread. No excuse for others but that's mine! I was going to reply to it when I had more time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on March 04, 2016, 11:15:00 am
I made an on-topic post in that topic, so don't move that. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 04, 2016, 11:31:35 am
Made a quick mock up of posting rules for the release boards. Being the part of the forum that gets the most traffic, I'd like to believe it's worthy of having it's own set of rules listed.

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We want to promote the best environment possible for all creators to share their content, and for the people to discuss them. Here are some guidelines to proper posting in the release boards.


What you should do:

Talk about the release:
All discussion about the release is encouraged. We're here to help people make the best content possible.

Be respectful:
This is a hobby, an artistic one at that. There's no reason for a release thread to be polluted with hostility.

Provide feedback:
Most creators appreciate when someone shows interest in their works. Don't be shy to give advice that would make their content better.

Encourage people to remain on topic:
If someone makes a post that might derail the thread, try to steer the thread back into the right direction. Helps the mod team and the forum as a whole.

Report bad posts:
If someone is breaking the rules or disrupting the thread, the report button is there, use it. This includes if the topic starter is being aggressive.


What you shouldn't do:

Insult the creator:
Unacceptable, you have manners. If you don't, then you don't belong here.

Criticize the creator:
These are not creator review threads. If you want to discuss your opinion about a creator, take it to mugen discussion.

Become aggressive with feedback:
All feedback are merely suggestions no matter how correct they are. If an author doesn't accept your feedback, leave it alone.

Add to a derail:
If someone gets off topic, that's not the opportunity to be a funny guy. All you're doing is making the thread worse.

Respond to a necro-bump:
If someone bumps an old thread, do not respond to it. The topic starter or the moderation team are the only exceptions.


Anyone found breaking the rules are subject to moderation, up to and including a forum ban. Use your brain when you post and everything will be fine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 04, 2016, 02:32:22 pm
too long, most of those rules are global rules or too obvious, and this doesn't happen often enough to warrant its own rules sticky, something that should be avoided unless the board is too specific (requests)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 04, 2016, 03:54:37 pm
Guidline stickies in specific sections isn't out the norm and I thought it wouldn't hurt to have there. No prob, it being enforced harder is good enough I suppose.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 04, 2016, 06:12:29 pm
yeah, that's fine for a sticky in the release boards; especially if we assume that there are users that only go there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on March 04, 2016, 07:20:28 pm
too long, most of those rules are global rules or too obvious, and this doesn't happen often enough to warrant its own rules sticky, something that should be avoided unless the board is too specific (requests)
Being polite and respectful with creators is an implicit and too obvious rule since always and Chuchoryu's case demostrate isn't so obvious as anyone thinks. I think it's OK about put in sticky these (and I hope more) rules to avoid cases like this, which isn't new (not just Chucho (this is like the 3rd/4th time this happens), also about Werewood, WlanmaniaX, Mazemerald, etc)

Also, close the threads if the users don't control their hate/anger/frustation/rage/menstrual cycles/etc shouldn't be avoided instead just delete posts and ban users, IMO
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 05, 2016, 01:54:43 am
Being courteous has been in the rules for a while now. But certain people have different definitions of when you are being actually insulting and the mod team has rarely enforced it at its strictest anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 05, 2016, 04:18:17 am
mostly on chuchoryu's topics, mostly ebcause eh does not give a fuck, and considering some of tehs tuff that has happened on chucho's life, it'd be weirder if he gave a fuck.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Formerly Hoshi on March 08, 2016, 07:55:13 am
Wow, I'm late to the party.

I'm surprised that no one's brought up making posts, er, postable only by the thread creator. It's not as severe as actually locking the threads, would allow the creator to post updates, would encourage PMing for major issues, and avoid shitposting on both sides.  As far as necro posting, would there be a way to autolock threads after a certain day count of no posts so it can only be unlocked by the thread creator?

EDIT:
Also, if autolocking is out of the question,  would making it so people can't necro if they don't have a certain post count?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DarkWolf13 on March 08, 2016, 06:48:45 pm
As far as necro posting, would there be a way to autolock threads after a certain day count of no posts so it can only be unlocked by the thread creator?
I strongly agree with you on that. I feel it's somewhat wrong to penalize someone for necrobumping their own thread, not that I ever seen such an occurrence on here or any other forum. How can they necro bump when it's their own thread?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 08, 2016, 06:50:36 pm
That's... that's not the point.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DarkWolf13 on March 08, 2016, 06:56:34 pm
I know it's not the point, just saying how I saw necrobumping. But I think autolocking threads after a certain amount of time passed may help reduce the necrobumping but... it might become problematic for users who join like much much later and they won't be able to post whatever they want to post in said thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on March 08, 2016, 07:09:24 pm
AFAIK, creators have had the ability to lock AND unlock their own topics since long ago. A creator being locked out of their own thread because of necrobumping hasn't been an issue since that was made this way.
As for people who join a long time after the thread has become inactive, they already have a message warning them of a necro bump if they try to post in it, and if they really want to say something actually important (beside "nice char" which would be deleted either way because that's exactly why necro bump is a bad thing), then they can simply PM the creator.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on April 24, 2016, 06:23:40 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2240476
Just No Point said:
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2240470

Is this the same dude that we are waiting on for him to list all of person man's horrid posts? That we already had to ban and lock his account editing abilities?

No, that was H Mr Ton.
ComboAssassin20 is the guy who
-shitposted and wanted his account deleted
-got banned
-returned here saying the forum is great
-couldn't delete his topic so he said the forum sucked, after that you solved his issue and said the forum is awesome

and now probably he's going to shitpost again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MrChris on April 24, 2016, 06:45:08 pm
then you're saying that it's was actually the guy who also made this? http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/clone-kyleyoshikazu-173662.msg2240086.html#msg2240086
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on April 24, 2016, 06:46:09 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MrChris on April 24, 2016, 06:49:55 pm
Yes.

well that's odd lol probably why he looked Like a scam.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on April 25, 2016, 07:42:04 pm
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It's probably stress from not being able to do any hobbies (mugen and comics are my getaway drug) but I'm losing my patience dealing with Lord M too.
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2240856

He wasn't banned too long ago then this. And of course after I said something he tells me I can ignore what he says and shut up. I assume that was a blanket reply not necessarily directed just toward me but still...

Someone tell me if I'm letting stress get to me or if I'm not the only one here
you took the time to explain to him his problem in a very polite way. he ignored it all because that is the way he is, he is insufferable, self centered and has done this sort of thing alot.
i don't see why he shouldn't get a 1 year ban atleast. trin got that and he's way less disruptive than this guy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on April 25, 2016, 07:56:24 pm
Progression system, his last timeout was a week or something. Can't be too harsh on the kids.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on April 26, 2016, 10:32:35 pm
^Toddlers, you mean. Clearly Danielhand is underage and don't have enough age majority to post ina a place like this, just give him a couple of years until he got 18 and understand better what he does on internet.

Also, get a spanish translator to your hand (pun intended) to see how start this on Spanish thread (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2240445) (and the 4-5 pages after that)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 26, 2016, 10:35:55 pm
And how sure are you that he's underage? Also if "a couple years" is left until 18 he's definitely not underage. Underage would be like 12 or whatever loganthekids or w/e was.

It's not like people get magically smart once they hit 18.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sinnesloschen on April 26, 2016, 10:50:58 pm
Also, get a spanish translator to your hand (pun intended) to see how start this on Spanish thread (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2240445) (and the 4-5 pages after that)
Does Cyan Paul need to change his name to Chopped Liver again because you're doing a wonderful job continuing to pretend he's not on the staff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on April 26, 2016, 11:04:07 pm
I assume he means anyone wanting to see how the drama started would need a Spanish translator to view it

Which seems like an underestimation of the general apathy of this userbase
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on April 26, 2016, 11:09:04 pm
I suppose he means a different translator that is an "unbiased" third party. I doubt his narrative would differ too much from my own:

Spoiler: beaner soap opera (click to see content)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on April 26, 2016, 11:37:13 pm
Does Cyan Paul need to change his name to Chopped Liver again because you're doing a wonderful job continuing to pretend he's not on the staff.
Nope, it's what Cyan says above, also he's the more pissed up about this guy than any of us who post in Spanish thread (good summary BTW, Cyan :thumbsup: )
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on April 26, 2016, 11:39:39 pm
please i beg of you spanish speakers translate what his brother is saying in the spanish thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on April 26, 2016, 11:48:39 pm
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your fags lmao your hobby is pathetic kill yourselves fags
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on April 26, 2016, 11:52:35 pm
I call bias, no one would shit talk our hobby. :(

No one would talk that crazy shit irl without a fight either but that's a different discussion.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on April 26, 2016, 11:56:13 pm
please i beg of you spanish speakers translate what his brother is saying in the spanish thread.
Sure thing ;)

Anonymous77: (tl;dr so I made a summary) I'm Masterhand's brother and I register her to say you were so few considerated with people. So banned just for comment? this is a shitty game with no fundaments and you're all freaks. Stop bother people and keep with your freak stuff. PS: i'll probably be banned anyway kthxbye
Cyan: Hi, masterhand128. Or are you his relative with homicide tendencies?
Anonymous77: I'm not masterhand, just some who thinks all you're mounting is so pathetic hahahaha
Bastard Wolf: We're gonna accuse you to daniel
Titiln: Why you follow with so much detail what happens in a forum about a shitty game you're not interested? that's not pathetic of your part?
Anonymous77: I'm his brother, if you don't know, I've no intention of getting here at all since people like you seems pityful to me hahaha

His brother... like WlanmaniaX and BeanFan112?? :pfht: the discussion is actually continue right now and I've to come back to my house to see how this teleserie ends :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on April 27, 2016, 12:04:15 am
mfg is getting even weirder these days
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 27, 2016, 12:05:35 am
i made fun of his european spanish and in retaliation he's basically saying south america is garbage and spain is superior
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 27, 2016, 12:07:43 am
Oh good he's racist too.

Wonderful
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 27, 2016, 12:08:26 am
to be fair it's shitty to make fun of someone else's language like i did but what he's doing is worse
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on April 27, 2016, 12:10:34 am
He's also bragging about being an odontology student  :mlol:

He's not even a real dentist and yet he thinks he's better than all of us.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on April 27, 2016, 12:11:02 am
"You're all farmers that live on houses of mud and straw and you still pay tributes to Mother Spain"

Damn :sombrero: now I want Masterhand back instead of that shithead
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ShinZankuro on April 27, 2016, 12:13:27 am
MFG is like a woman's "Period".. At least one time in every month has a different shitstorm E-e
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 27, 2016, 12:30:51 am
"You're all farmers that live on houses of mud and straw and you still pay tributes to Mother Spain"
OMG Spanish Vyx ? :o
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on April 27, 2016, 01:25:49 am
Another shit drama made by a guy that using Dan's stuff without permission... (i guess that he's no talk with Dan about that)

Well, Masterhand128 said this in your MFFA's profile status:
Masterhand128 said:
OK, here is my oficial retirement of Mugen, I really I apologized to Daniel for making my bad urban expression(I don´t have bad intentions).
For the moment by brother is defending me in Mugenguild. I hope someday the people will understand this situation..

But I think is too late. :(

OK, Goddbye and thank you for yur support! :(

And he said this when reply the comments (and this is funny part):
Masterhand128 said:
My parents recommended me to not use these forums anymore!

My brother is Anonymous77, yea he is immature but I understand his value for fight these people.
[...]
Because they are cyberbulling me. :(

And I´m a very innocent guy for use these sites...

Ok, so he said all the bunch of bullshit in the Spanish Only thread, disrespect us, said that MUGEN is a shitty game without fundament to said now that he's a "very innocent guy"? Also he said that you guys cyberbulling him... Pfffffffff

Jesus Christ...  :shifty:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on April 27, 2016, 01:31:48 am
nothing's better than having a nationalistic xenophobe underachiever as your defense.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on April 27, 2016, 02:03:35 am
Poor kid would really find things a whole lot easier if he didn't reply to every little thing said to him. Maybe he'll get it one day.

Also, lmfao at his brother. What, that was supposed to hurt people's feelings?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on June 03, 2016, 01:38:41 am
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2252345

Let me just say that this is not the first time Zox reacted like that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on June 03, 2016, 02:53:14 am
@Orochi Gill:
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2252405

Why can't you find any bans about Zox? Because Just No Point merged the account the wrong way again! >:(
He made a new account called Vampire Killer, he had another account (I don't remember if it was still banned or not) called -Zox-, I reported him, and instead of keeping the old account and put the new posts there, he kept the new account and deleted the old one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on June 03, 2016, 03:05:44 am
Quote
Is that the same guy who made a Trevor (or was it Simon?) without a cross boomerang because he's an atheist? Same guy who called people sad little virgins? If it's him, yeah, he's got a long history of acting like an asshole.

Same guy, yes.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on June 03, 2016, 03:31:04 am
Quote
Yeah he's done this crap before. I'd extend the ban to at least a week
:no:
please wait on him a bit. i mean he was kinda pompous. but he's making the punisher!
just wait on him until he comes back, tell him not to do that again and if he does... bring the ban hammer on him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on June 03, 2016, 03:41:06 am
I can't tell if you're serious or not because that's a really shitty reason to not ban someone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on June 03, 2016, 03:50:13 am
Quote
Yeah he's done this crap before. I'd extend the ban to at least a week
:no:
please wait on him a bit. i mean he was kinda pompous. but he's making the punisher!
just wait on him until he comes back, tell him not to do that again and if he does... bring the ban hammer on him.

It's not the first time that Zox act like this.
I like Zox's stuff, mainly the sprite work, but sadly once again he did a childish behavior.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on June 03, 2016, 04:00:37 am
I've had to ban people I am actively working with on projects. And have had to threaten to ban others. It's very dangerous to let a person's work put them above the law.

You can contribute the best stuff ever but if you act a dick you get the boot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 03, 2016, 04:15:46 am
@Orochi Gill:
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2252405

Why can't you find any bans about ZoX? Because Just No Point merged the account the wrong way again! >:(
He made a new account called Vampire Killer, he had another account (I don't remember if it was still banned or not) called -Zox-, I reported him, and instead of keeping the old account and put the new posts there, he kept the new account and deleted the old one.

I couldn't find anything in the banlist, or in the mod forum at all somehow while searching his name
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on June 03, 2016, 04:17:35 am
Ban names are not deleted. It's possible he just wasn't banned so they name was never added.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on June 03, 2016, 04:29:35 am
I can't tell if you're serious or not because that's a really shitty reason to not ban someone.
if i said he's spriting a cvs felicia would that have been a good reason?

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mgbenz on June 03, 2016, 04:32:20 am
Are you for real?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 03, 2016, 04:33:30 am
I think it's time to stop
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on June 03, 2016, 04:34:26 am
if i said he's spriting a cvs felicia would that have been a good reason?

Your implication is that your personal interest takes precedence over the general upkeep of the forum?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on June 03, 2016, 04:36:18 am
Are you for real?
no, it was a joke question.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 【MFG】gui0007 on June 03, 2016, 04:46:48 am
@Gennos
Joke or not, stop.
Zox working on a new char is not a good reason to not ban him. He act like a dumb again and that's why he banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on June 03, 2016, 06:18:31 am
I would have went with a warning personally, given that I haven't seen him around in a LONG time, but w/e. Not a big deal.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on June 03, 2016, 11:14:01 am
Ban names are not deleted. It's possible he just wasn't banned so the name was never added.

He got banned:
yea zox, you'll get yourself banned
tru dat
here.
You were there too:
I was almost going to just verbally tell him to chill. But yeah, the PM fest added a whole other layer :/

It seems like every time I go on vacation people snap on here!

so it's possible ban names could be deleted when you delete the account.

I have an idea: keep the old account and move the new post into that, like I kept saying! :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on June 03, 2016, 11:46:19 am
When I ban bots and delete their accounts the name and triggers stay! And it's not always as simple as that when a user isn't working with you. He wasn't wanting the old account and if he didn't know the password I would have no way to know if he saw a temp pass in a pm. I'd have to wait till I got a response back. Then I could merge. I've had to set weeks waiting for a reply.

Quit trying to make my job harder!!!!!!!11

I am a hardworking admin of guild and I won't tolerate this behavior!! :doom:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 22, 2016, 10:55:58 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/bob8644-88122

this should've been brought up earlier, and i didn't think of it when i was an administrator, but when editing signatures it should be standard to just reduce the images to links and send the person a pm instead of leaving a "Your sig is big! Change it!! Read the rules" message in the signature itself. it makes the user look like a stupid asshole for what's a relatively small mistake
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on June 22, 2016, 11:04:57 pm
I just change it to "Oversized signature". I don't think anyone is losing cred over that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on July 03, 2016, 02:41:22 am
I don't know why you guys keep thinking Lord M is going to change. He's been banned, what, 6 times and he's still on about "not getting away with what Titiln does?"


Just seems like his bans get longer but he doesn't actually learn from them. All banning does for him is stop his posts awhile.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 03, 2016, 02:55:54 am
If he wishes to make a proper discussion in public or private about what we do or don't let "people like titiln" get away with that's fine. Once he returns of course.

As for your concern, the ban cycle probably won't help him. But the "damage" he does when here isn't a big deal either. So it's worth it to go through the motions and give him a chance to improve.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on July 03, 2016, 02:59:29 am
If the ban cycle doesn't help him, why bother with it? I'm all for giving second chances and all, but holy crap, he's been doing this for years, hasn't he?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 03, 2016, 03:02:49 am
Macaulyn's still relatively young, I have faith he'll get over himself eventually.

Or he'll end up with a 2 year ban, whatever works.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on July 03, 2016, 03:02:59 am
I agree with jz, he obviously doesnt give any shits about improving or changing his posting habits
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: S.D. on July 03, 2016, 03:06:45 am
He's pretty damn disruptive, not everyone has the time to finish story mode day one, most of us work during the week.
Seeing someone not give a damn about spoiling the experience to other people pisses me off.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 03, 2016, 03:09:55 am
But is it really so bad he should not have access forever? Or even more than 3 months? I mean I have friends IRL worse with authority than he is. His angsty teenage rebellion just doesn't feel that serious or detrimental to the forum's activity. 3 months isn't super short and after that he'd get 6 months or longer depending on how soon he acted out again.

Edit: I do agree with why you're upset SD. If he comes back and does that again he'd be more likely to get a year or permanent. I haven't had time to finish the story either and will be out of state the next 2 days. It's a long story and he was an ass to spoil and defend it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on July 03, 2016, 06:45:46 pm
Can you edit posts already in the recycle bin? All the story details are still there for anyone who looks.

I don't get how basic courtesy is too hard to understand for some people.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 03, 2016, 06:48:01 pm
Turns out I can.

And they're all spoiler'd.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 03, 2016, 07:19:02 pm
fyi duo ranger has been shitposting for years, has been banned before and definitely should be banned for longer than a week
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 03, 2016, 11:13:46 pm
what's the point of the scalating system if it'0s going to resert back to 0 or skip steps for no reason ? :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 04, 2016, 12:28:23 am
I've been at the zoo with family. I didn't have time to check his previous bans and I simply presumed he wasn't as bad as M Lord because how often does that happen?!

In a perfect world we'd always check and not be lazy by just going off our memories. Going off my memory is a criminal offense in most locations!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on July 08, 2016, 11:49:51 am
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/projects-re-strides-2-glory-175059.0.html

What about this?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on July 12, 2016, 11:31:20 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/mortal-kombat-trilogy-extended-by-mktx-team-173327.0.html

How and why was this thread deleted? People started calling out the people in charge on the shit they were pulling and now it's trashed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on July 12, 2016, 11:33:56 pm
OP did it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 12, 2016, 11:36:34 pm
Le@N deleted it. I just restored it. And removed his editing and deletion privileges.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 13, 2016, 12:04:10 am
Send him a PM telling him he won't have editing and deleting privileges for 3 days. But if he tries to remove anything he said there he could risk getting it for keeps  He may have just thought it'd be better to remove the thread because it's no longer relevant and/or due to back lash and not to try to exactly hide anything.

I know it's hard to defend him when he's defending such a crappy practice but he didn't exactly steal the money himself and may just not know how to deal with this situation.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on July 13, 2016, 12:41:01 am
He locked it and is throwing a fit about it.


Way to shoot yourself in the foot, people complain you aren't giving them what they donated for, so you take away... even more than what they donated for?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 13, 2016, 12:48:47 am
So much for benefit of the doubt then :(

These are the reasons it can be hard to always try and put a positive spin on people's actions as a mod when so many let you down! :p
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on July 13, 2016, 12:52:12 am
He and kage essentially just scammed alot of people and now hes locking it because people are calling him out for it. Jesus this is so scummy
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MotorRoach on July 13, 2016, 12:54:45 am
This is as if Keiji Inafune canceled Mighty No 9 just because of heavy criticism, even after getting the money he asked for. I hope he's proud of what he did, because I highly doubt anyone will trust him with anything now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 13, 2016, 01:07:34 am
Now he can't lock the thread, delete it or edit it. I don't see why Le@n would react this way to legitimate complaints and anger he supposedly didn't even cause. But whatever
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on July 13, 2016, 01:35:34 am
You should remove the links to their paypal and webmoney accounts so nobody can feed these shitheads anymore money in this forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ShinZankuro on July 13, 2016, 01:38:08 am
This should be a ban-worthy situation, no?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 13, 2016, 01:44:37 am
We've never banned anyone for keeping donation money without delivering anything. But I don't remember seeing a situation this blatant either. Probably the only thing really not making this ban worthy is the fact he wasn't the one getting the money. But he's not trust worthy now so for all we know he got part of the $$$ too and is lying.

Other staff thoughts?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TheFclass97 on July 13, 2016, 01:55:04 am
We've never banned anyone for keeping donation money without delivering anything. But I don't remember seeing a situation this blatant either. Probably the only thing really not making this ban worthy is the fact he wasn't the one getting the money. But he's not trust worthy now so for all we know he got part of the $$$ too and is lying.

Other staff thoughts?

Does this fall under some form of Fraud? Of so, maybe.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on July 13, 2016, 01:56:08 am
This should be a ban-worthy situation, no?

Not like he was being disruptive and overly hostile. Having a position that most people here don't agree with doesn't sound like something ban worthy, poor defense notwithstanding. I'd say the loss of credibility is punishment enough as of now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on July 13, 2016, 01:57:48 am
Nah, I'd say there's a duty to protect other members from being scammed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ShinZankuro on July 13, 2016, 02:01:03 am
Not like he was being disruptive and overly hostile. Having a position that most people here don't agree with doesn't sound like something ban worthy, poor defense notwithstanding. I'd say the loss of credibility is punishment enough as of now.

But, I don't think letting him go[even with his name goes dirty because of his attitude] will be enough, this can be kinda... Smooth and "kind", specially involving money.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on July 13, 2016, 03:16:50 am
I know it's already been decided since people are hoping that he keeps the link up.

I don't think he was doing anything malicious that justified a ban, at least not in that thread. If their team was indeed trying to pull a fast one, they got caught already. He's not trying to claim that it's "not a scam" and re-posting the donation link, the opposite in fact he was trying to erase everything. He just gave a bad reason as to why they won't refund the money. It'd be different if he had a fit of rage or was being an obnoxiously annoying dolt.

I understand wanting to prevent things like this from happening and I'd be all for banning if he admits to having done it on purpose, but in this instance it seems a bit premature.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 13, 2016, 05:21:03 am
they were not really scamming aynone, they just sucked at explaining, from what I understood, they were doing it something similarly to a patreon (withotu the donators only thing, maybe) where that month's donations financed that month's development and the donations were never meant to deliver a full product so to speak.

something similar would be like if TDS was accepting/asking for donations for his comic, then he stops accepting donations and stops making the comic and people calim scam because he never finished the comic, even though he was releasing month by month.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 13, 2016, 05:43:22 am
Hah, the joke is on you! I still have a donate button on my comic and I don't even make the thing!!!

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Most of the initial anger was from his explanation then his reaction to people getting mad because of his bad explanation.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MotorRoach on July 13, 2016, 07:12:05 am
I wouldn't say he's to blame for all the scamming subject. He really just shot himself on the foot when he tried to attack other people (me, especially), but for most of the part, he really just sucks at explaining things.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on July 14, 2016, 07:15:07 am
From Kage on a MKTX VK group site:

"No characters graphics. And I have no desire to begging someone who leaked project, though we aren't at loggerheads, it doesn't make sence to make version with empty select, nobody will be rotated. In general, idea of donations also failed, because doesn't justify the loss of time on this constructor. MKTX will be temporarily frozen before the motivation will come back and there will be resources available. To everyone who supported project: I'm sorry that it happened, but stabbed in the back didn't pass without consequences. If you would like to take donations for v1.040 back then write in (VK group) or YouTube's channel."

And MotorRoach, Le@N's reason: MotorRoach was blocked for destruction of MKTX reputation.



I... never said a single negative thing about the project. In fact, everything I mentioned about the project was always support, and I STILL love the work put into it. I can safely say that this is my favorite MK fangame of all time, and I talked about this game with a great portion of my friends (one of them saw it and even though it was something official from Midway before I told them it's a fangame). I said nothing but good things about the project, and even helped spread it a little. In short, I've always supported the project, and I'm still willing to support them in the future once they get back to work on it. How the FUCK did I destroy their reputation?

Not only that, but Kage himself is much more clear about what is going on, while Le@N himself just attacked me and gave me vague reasoning to what was happening. Just an apology and fixed the issue about my name not being in the list would've been enough, but no, he thinks it's justified to just take my money "as compensation", and on top of that, he blocked me from the MK Mugen Works group on Facebook.

He's telling the whole group that I don't deserve the "something" the other donors will get because I "overreacted", yet he's the one banning and blocking me from everything, and shitting on top of me as much as possible. Is this what I get for donating to your game?
So le@n literally just admitted to taking roach's money as "compensation" for hurting le@n's feelings, banned him on the fb group so now he has no way ever to get a refund and basically said roach did not deserve mktx.


Yeah fuck that, this asshole needs to be banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MotorRoach on July 14, 2016, 01:47:22 pm
Just had a talk with him in private this morning. The damage caused by him on both the behalf of the donation and the MK Mugen groups has been fixed, and he gave me details as to why my name wasn't included in the donors list before (something to do with Kage not being present in the VK group by the time my donation was sent).

In short, any damage he could've made is no more. If anyone could split the whole arguing posts from the MKTX thread, that would help on being able to get back on topic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: LNZX on July 14, 2016, 05:31:11 pm
BTW, I have another suggestion.) How about punishement for Walruslui for garbage posts?

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that would help on being able to get back on topic
Honestly, I'm not against normal discussion in MKTX topic. But I have doubts it's common for MFG community.
I removed topic just because retired from your hasty conclusions.

Nobody have right to block someone for decisions of another person. Also I will repeat for special imbeciles..
I just provide MKTX news and wasn't connected with donations.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 14, 2016, 05:51:29 pm
So wait

If this has been fixed, why are you coming here and trying to start MORE issues? It seems like you've only shifted your target now
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on July 14, 2016, 06:34:54 pm
To be fair, he's in the right to defend himself after being called an asshole. That said,

Also I will repeat for special imbeciles..

You're not helping yourself with this shit. All you're doing is creating needless resentment towards you and your team, which is not what you do as a representative for your project.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: LNZX on July 14, 2016, 07:35:15 pm
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why are you coming here and trying to start MORE issues
I posted for explanation and didn't want to make things worse.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 14, 2016, 07:40:34 pm
It can stir things up to want punishment against someone after an event is resolved.

I'm not completely sure you understand the exact reason people like walruslui got upset with you or your team.

Can you tell me your point of view as to why people got upset? I just want to make sure it's understandable.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on July 14, 2016, 09:57:58 pm
Instead of insulting people like roach in the thread you could have calmly fixed everything alot sooner so people wouldnt give you so much shit. You tarnished the mktx reputation way more than you should have already so i suggest you calmly explain everything in the mktx thread.

I called you an asshole because i was under the impression a good friend of mine was being treated like shit for donating to your game, alot of people were calling you out for shooting yourself in the foot, dont even attempt to shift this to me, its gonna just end badly and is not worth the effort
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Kienay on August 15, 2016, 03:16:28 am
Hello.
As you can see, I'm a brand new member. And the registration process gave me quite the headache. Some email providers are blocked to prevent spam and such. One of these is GMX. It's (probably) the biggest provider in Germany. But it is locked. Iced gave following explanation:

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I was told that GMX allows users to continuously change their email names, which means they can keep re registering accounts with the same email for spamming. Thats why it was added to the disabled email service list.
Whoever has one can just change the email to a normal email provider and the account gets unlocked for posting unless someone had changed the ban to force it to prevent login.

this message "Invalid email, use a normal email server and not a spam mail. If you replace your email with a normal one you will be able to post again." shows to anyone with that email server.

That actually isn't accurate. You can't change "names" or anything like that. But I guess you refer to the address itself. And, yes, you are granted a second free mail address you can change at any time on a single account.. I do understand that while this is just a minor detail, it is basically only saving you two minutes compared to registering a completely new mail account altogether. And I also understand that this time saving may be crucial on your decision.

In my case, it's quite the hassle to create another mail account on a different provider just for this single community. Note, that this is not a one time thing, since there will always be times you have to tend to your mail account. Not to mention one might get locked because you didn't check your mails for too long.
The funny thing is, I took the effort to register with a different provider. It's a mayor spam mail provider that has been around for years. It worked flawlessly. I intended to change my mail address to my usual GMX one, because of security reasons and for comfort, of course. And the account gets locked. Like Iced mentioned, you have to change your provider even on existing accounts. I guess that's because of technical restrictions (blocking providers altogether instead of only on registration).

What I am trying to say:
I think blocking GMX is out of proportion considering the given reason. Is it that uncommon with mayor providers to get an additional, free to alter second email? Still, I can totally relate to sticking to the ban, but, if possible, I'd really welcome the possibilty to lift the ban for accounts already activated. As a side note, the account gets locked after succesfully activating your new mail address, in case the provider is banned.
I have been a happy GMX user for about 15 years. Their customer service has been splendid whenever there was problem. So it does upset me a bit being forced to look for an alternative solely to take part in the mugenguild board.


Thanks for taking the time to read this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 15, 2016, 02:30:36 pm
GMX had massive spambots logging in to post spam, dozens, to the point where we cut off the mail provider access. if any use rhas more email providers that offer spam they can and should tell us about it and we will increase the registry block.

Whenever someone attempts to register with a blocked provider the system informs the user that they cant register with the email providertype.. If someone was already logged in with a gmx account the system informs them they need to change the email provider type., this is so people that were registered in the past can change to any of the common accounts like Gmail.

you can always setup your gmail account to forward to your GMX, that will do away with most of your worries, but blocking new accoutns from registering under it means we can stop automatic spambot registry.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Kienay on August 15, 2016, 06:12:05 pm
I see where you are coming from. Since it seems there has actually been quite some trouble going on, blocking said provider is probably the best solution.

Mail forwarding is something I intended to avoid, but I guess that is the only reasonable way. Thanks for mentioning gmail. I'll look into it, but I think this might be linked to my google account, isn't it? That would eleminate my greatest condern- losing access to the used mail account. Since my google account is linked to my mayor GMX account.

So, apart from that, I found a workaround. This might be probably something you want to be notified about. I can't write private messages, yet. And Valodim seems to be the only one in charge I can contact directly, since he does not hide his email. But he doesn't seem to be active recently. At which point will private messages be unlocked? Or is there another way to contact the staff? I assume I shouldn't post this information publicly.

PS:
Okay, seems I unlocked private messaging with this very post. I'll contact you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 15, 2016, 06:16:02 pm
Ive unlocked them, send any private messages to me or @just no point: ( or both.)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 15, 2016, 06:48:27 pm
And Valodim seems to be the only one in charge I can contact directly, since he does not hide his email.
there should be a more straightforward way to contact administrators without having an account (this would be useful for people that were banned by accident)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on August 15, 2016, 07:09:12 pm
Kinda redundant that I had mine hidden here when I have it on my site. Now it's not.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on September 02, 2016, 05:29:40 pm
why am i being assumed the bad guy here??
he insulted me first. just look at this comment man
Maybe the problem isn't my jokes but how fucking stupid you are and how much of a sore loser you are. NUH-UH IT'S NOT THE SAME BECAUSE YOURS IS BAD AND MINE ISN'T, BECAUSE I'M THE ONE WHO POSTED IT
Dipshit.
3 insults outta nowhere and for no reason whatsoever.
i thought about reporting him without replying but last time i did that you guys just ignored it. so i defended myself.
but i reported him anyways and what you know you guys ignored him aswell.
you can't warn me for my response and just ignore his starting insult.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on September 02, 2016, 05:35:32 pm
But this is what you always do, make personal attacks whenever someone makes fun of you until it degenerates. And you've been banned for that before. Saying I threw the first shot here is just plain dishonest.
BTW calling you a sore loser when that's exactly what you do isn't an insult.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on September 02, 2016, 05:35:36 pm
I think the main problem is you went personal when he was just using GENERIC insults. It's an overreaction, and a low blow at that.

It's like:

"You're an idiot."
"Yeah well your mom is an alcoholic drug addict, she probably drank and shot dope while she was pregnant with you in an attempt to abort you."

Big difference.


I do agree Byakko needs to choose his battles better since to me, he seems to LOVE arguing, but you still overreacted.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on September 02, 2016, 05:39:10 pm
This isn't so much a matter of me choosing a battle as it is him constantly getting upset when someone makes fun of him and trying to go "your jokes are lame". That's just annoying, hence my reaction.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on September 02, 2016, 05:39:21 pm
You think your insults are the same as his. But you always go off the deep end.

He called you stupid and added theword "fucKing" before it. I can see how you'd find it aggressive but it doesn't mean you need to reply with
it's not news either you moron. it's a novel weird picture, who gives a shit if it's old or not.
go take a beating from from someone else douchebag, and make sure to run away from it too like you did with that vyx guy. you insecure insignificant piece of shit. fuck you and fuck your shitty karate that couldn't get you outta the hands of one meathead.

Like he calls you stupid and you go off the deep in by not only all the "fuck yous" but trying to get personal about it too. And you saying all that wouldn't have made it cool for Byakko to had insulted you for not getting a job due to weighing too much or whatever.

Basically someone throws a ball of paper at you and you always seem to throw a boulder back at them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on September 02, 2016, 05:46:04 pm
Not helped by being 24 hours removed from shitting on someone for posting on topic information. Of course the heat's gonna be more one-sided.

No need to split the thing, spats happen in the Random thread. I mean, that blowup early in the thread didn't get shitcanned either. Not like this is someone's fighting game fanwork thread being ambushed by nonsensical bullshit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on September 02, 2016, 05:47:47 pm
i shouldn't get called "stupid", "dipshit" and a "sore loser" for posting a picture or for making fun of him in his pitful attempt of making fun of me.
and im certainly not gonna wait for your inept handling of him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on September 02, 2016, 05:51:43 pm
Oh yeah! Well my way of handling him shouldn't be called inept and I'm certainly not going to wait for your angry reply to me!!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on September 02, 2016, 05:54:43 pm
if im gonna get banned he should get banned too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on September 02, 2016, 05:55:37 pm
for posting a picture
That's not why you were called that.
or for making fun of him in his pitful attempt of making fun of me.
THAT is, because of fucking course you deserve to be called a sore loser when that's exactly what you do.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on September 02, 2016, 06:01:58 pm
if im gonna get banned he should get banned too.
lol no. you should get banned again though
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on September 02, 2016, 06:12:36 pm
I honestly think the biggest disconnect with you (Gennos) is that you seem to take yourself way too seriously and really have a hard time accepting the possibility you could be at fault with anything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on September 02, 2016, 06:24:08 pm
if someone got punched by an other person.
do you punish him for punching back however strong his punch may be?

i didn't start this, he posted one of his dumb logical fallacies and sugar coated it as a joke, stupidly comparing an obscure anime with jacob's story.
i told him he's dumb for it, and he flipped out on me.
if i reported him and didn't respond you're gonna ignore my report, because i guess he's your friend or something?
hell, the fact that not a single thing is being said to him now is proof enough of this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on September 02, 2016, 06:26:50 pm
i didn't start this
You posting "that's not funny" or calling out something that's not even supposed to be a joke in the first place as "a bad joke" 50 times whenever someone makes fun of you or criticizes anything you say is "starting this". You're the one antagonizing anyone who says anything bad at you over several months because you can't take people telling you off. You're "starting this" when you take random sarcasm way too seriously and go all "your joke is lame" for no reason.
How are you not getting this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on September 02, 2016, 06:31:23 pm
your way of making fun of me was so idiotic. who gives a shit if the picture is old and why are you comparing it to fucking jacob's story?
that doesn't make a lick of sense. off course im gonna call you out on your shitty attempt at patronizing me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on September 02, 2016, 06:34:27 pm
Are you for real
Why are you doing the exact same thing I'm just right here telling you you're doing wrong, and acting like this is a sensible answer
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on September 02, 2016, 06:37:00 pm
If it makes you feel better it actually does bother me a bit that you continue with your whole "I must hate you and love Byakko" schtick.

I don't hate either of you and Byakko and many others can vouch that he and I have had long volatile forum arguments in the past. We get over it. We can work together. I wish you could get over it so we could work together too. But here we are. And here I am for some reason trying to help you and not see you simply banned again but every time I try you seem to push back more and more...

your way of making fun of me was so idiotic. who gives a shit if the picture is old and why are you comparing it to fucking jacob's story?
that doesn't make a lick of sense. off course im gonna call you out on your shitty attempt at patronizing me.

-_- but why do you NEED to? It's not uncommon on any forum for users to say something about how old something someone posts is. Look how often it happens with fighting game news stories. You take it as an attack. You can't seem to think it's not something huge and personal. Ignore it or try to say something witty/funny back. You don't go in seeking blood for something so tame
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on September 02, 2016, 06:38:52 pm
or try to say something witty/funny back.

your humor is shocking...ly terrible
dont make "for me to poop on" tier burns when criticizing someone elses jokes
That didn't work

Oh, and I missed that
because i guess he's your friend or something?
Pfffffhahahaha you're so innocent and naive. Or something.
The things that burned in the past between me and basically every single person in the staff... Entire bridges.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on September 02, 2016, 06:47:15 pm
if someone got punched by an other person.
do you punish him for punching back however strong his punch may be?

Did you miss the paper ball analogy? If we were to go with the punching one, it would be like kicking him in the balls.


And a ban is not necessary, just a stern warning. You guys didn't ban ShoShingo when he pulled the same shit on MC2 but worse.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on September 02, 2016, 06:54:52 pm
@jnb
jango cracked jokes about me, titlin cracked jokes about me. yet i never told either of those anything. why is it only him that i respond to?
because he does it so idiotically with the only intent of patronizing others.
i wanna leave him alone, he just won't let me. why is the picture being old is suddenly a turn on for him? there's hundreds of waay more idiotic and older pictures in the random topic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on September 02, 2016, 07:01:34 pm
"Patronizing"
You don't know the meaning of the word. Light sarcasm and parody are not "patronizing". Again and again and again, you're taking it way too seriously, I give you a light slap on the shoulder and you claim I punched you so you're entitled to throw a boulder back at me. This is the tenth time you're told exactly that in a row by several different people and you keep acting like I shot your dog and you need vindication.

CHILL. TAKE IT EASY.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on September 02, 2016, 07:05:21 pm
I didn't see it as him trying to make you look dumb specifically. Looked like a joke built off of the concept that you posted an old image in relation to the word sex.

So to me it looks like you're just upset at Byakko from the fight you guys had over a month ago because you really have shown that once someone angers you it's hard for you to let it go.

And to respond to JZ's thing about the ban. The only reason the word is being thrown around now is because he just came back from a month ban to basically continue doing what he was banned for.

I don't think the same was the case for sho shingo
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on September 02, 2016, 07:21:31 pm
In retrospect I think Sho should've been banned for it because he was posting some really personal shit at the time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on September 02, 2016, 07:29:52 pm
I don't even remember the incident tbh. Was it while I was admin?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on September 02, 2016, 07:32:07 pm
I....don't remember actually. March 2012 going Sho's post history (I recognize the name MC was using at the time).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on September 02, 2016, 08:19:13 pm
sho should not have been banned (even though what he did was completely out of left field and shitty) because at that point he wasnt a repeat offender like gennos. he was warned and dropped it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on September 02, 2016, 09:08:35 pm
i may have been wrong when i responded back with the vyx shit but please understand that i didn't say it because i have a grudge from a past incident.
i just didn't like getting insulted over my trivial comment, so i felt that i should get back at him.
i'm not gonna argue with him anymore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: S.D. on September 02, 2016, 09:34:20 pm
3 insults outta nowhere
Not even.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on September 02, 2016, 10:12:01 pm
for the record:
there's hundreds of waay more idiotic and older pictures in the random topic.
don't even pretend you're being singled out here, other people have posted (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2283181) bad pictures (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2283729) that were made fun of (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2283797). not even a week ago. even you made fun of some of them. quit acting like a victim
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on September 02, 2016, 10:24:11 pm
i guess i wouldn't really be upset if you told me "your picture is cringy" or "stupid".
but they didn't like the picture because it was old. i thought that complain was pretty dumb.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on September 02, 2016, 10:27:20 pm
if someone got punched by an other person.
do you punish him for punching back however strong his punch may be?

Yes. Yes you do. Pretty fucking basic stuff. If a guy taps you on the arm in a somewhat friendly way and you punch his teeth out, you're gonna have some problems.

your way of making fun of me was so idiotic. who gives a shit if the picture is old and why are you comparing it to fucking jacob's story?
that doesn't make a lick of sense. off course im gonna call you out on your shitty attempt at patronizing me.

Really? And you're wondering why people are calling you a sore loser?

I think this calls for a ban, yeah.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on September 02, 2016, 10:33:12 pm
Seems to me the essential problem is the same as it ever is

A fundamental lack of understanding when somebody's busting your balls and when they are personally belittling your existence
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on September 02, 2016, 10:39:27 pm
I think a better comparison would be if a guy punches you and you retaliate by pulling out a knife and stabbing him 50 times in the chest.

Personally I feel like Mugen in general (not just this site) has always had a real problem with personal insults.  It's gotten a lot better but IMO you are really insecure if your immediate response to someone calling you out is to go straight for things like that.  It's basically an ad hominem too since it has nothing to do with the argument.

And yeah I gotta say Dio you stooped to his level.  I like you, but that was really uncalled for man.  :/
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on September 02, 2016, 10:40:31 pm
Yes. Yes you do. Pretty fucking basic stuff. If a guy taps you on the arm in a somewhat friendly way and you punch his teeth out, you're gonna have some problems.
im pretty sure "dipshit" "stupid" and "loser" aren't the equivalent of a friendly tab. and my insult isn't exactly s a teeth knocking punch.
i only twisted a few things so they can fit into an insult, he probably didn't run away from vyx and who knows how good his karate is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on September 02, 2016, 10:43:07 pm
there's plenty of difference between calling someone an asshole idiot and bringing up personal shit yes

i could write a 30 word string of generic insults and it wouldn't be as bad as what dio posted. it was one word. one word resulted in 7 days
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on September 02, 2016, 10:46:47 pm
Yes. Yes you do. Pretty fucking basic stuff. If a guy taps you on the arm in a somewhat friendly way and you punch his teeth out, you're gonna have some problems.
im pretty sure "dipshit" "stupid" and "loser" aren't the equivalent of a friendly tab. and my insult isn't exactly s a teeth knocking punch.
i only twisted a few things so they can fit into an insult, he probably didn't run away from vyx and who knows how good his karate is.

You are missing the point.  The details of the Vyx incident are irrelevant, you shouldn't have brought it up at all.  It has no relation to the argument at hand.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on September 02, 2016, 10:51:11 pm
Yes. Yes you do. Pretty fucking basic stuff. If a guy taps you on the arm in a somewhat friendly way and you punch his teeth out, you're gonna have some problems.
im pretty sure "dipshit" "stupid" and "loser" aren't the equivalent of a friendly tab. and my insult isn't exactly s a teeth knocking punch.
i only twisted a few things so they can fit into an insult, he probably didn't run away from vyx and who knows how good his karate is.


They sure as hell are in my circle of friends.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on September 02, 2016, 10:54:20 pm
There's very few things that are off limits in my group of friends. If I called any of you some of the things we call each other i'd be perma banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on September 02, 2016, 10:59:28 pm
but "insecure" "insignificant" "fuck you" "piece of shit" are stuff you would never jokingly say to your friends?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on September 02, 2016, 10:59:51 pm
jesus christ someone just ban him already
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on September 02, 2016, 11:05:47 pm
^
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos.act on September 02, 2016, 11:05:55 pm
but "insecure" "insignificant" "fuck you" "piece of shit" are stuff you would never jokingly say to your friends?

You left out the part where you took an unrelated personal incident and used it to attack somebody.  Something you definitely do not do with friends.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on September 02, 2016, 11:19:19 pm
BRB gonna start treating more people as very good friends of mine
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: walt on September 02, 2016, 11:25:18 pm
BRB gonna go out start calling everyone dipshits

^ To be defending this is more nonsensical to me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on September 02, 2016, 11:31:16 pm
The mark of a good friendship is that they know you're not attacking them when you're calling them a dipshit. They know what you actually mean, so you can be informal and casual with them, and don't have to step on eggshells. If I hate you, in most situations, I'll never swear at you, because I'll be considering my words a lot more carefully.

To a friend I'll say 'Yo, you're being fucking stupid, cut it out.' To someone I don't like, I'll tell them why they're being fucking stupid, but I'll do so in a polite and civilized way.

People who know me can generally tell when I'm pissed off because I stop swearing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 10, 2016, 06:08:50 pm
I was talking with mulambo (this guy here (http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/moolambo-5853)) on another forum and he would like to be unbanned from this forum to share his work and thank the users who shared their mugen codes.

This is his message:
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" Hello this is mulambo,
I've been a contributor in your forum before somebody pissed me off and provoked me to post a goatse photo. I know that I'm guilty for posting such horrible image, but it was just because some people there are really stupid and childish and they made me thought that your forum deserved no respect.
I think that admins and moderators over-value their position, abusing of their power and dictating about people's behaviour without thinking about their own attitude toward those who can't stand provokations.
Also I think that arrogance in your abuse of power is a clear sign of an ego-centric behaviour by which you are banning someone who shares your same sympathy for games such as King of Fighters, Street Fighters and so on, somebody that is now lurking code from your posts without being able to thank those coders.
By not letting me in, you're not making me any bad things, you're not teaching me any lesson and you're not getting from me any artistic, graphic, spiritual or emotive contribution... you're losing somebody who's not surely the most important person in the world, but it's a person anyway.
The reason why I want to join is to thank those coders and publicize my artworks.
I don't want to make another account to be banned again by those people who got the wrong image and are mistakenly driven by the fear that I will do it again.
Instead of banning people for "exploding", you should warn other people to be more tolerant and less provoking.

Sincerely yours, mulambo

but only few of you remember or know me."

What to do?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 10, 2016, 06:16:06 pm
Uh, didn't he get back in and banned again multiple times in a row for the same thing ?

lol I didn't even read that, nice.
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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: hatter on October 10, 2016, 06:17:23 pm
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I think that admins and moderators over-value their position, abusing of their power and dictating about people's behaviour without thinking about their own attitude toward those who can't stand provokations.

....Also I think that arrogance in your abuse of power is a clear sign of an ego-centric behaviour by which you are banning someone who shares your same sympathy for games such as King of Fighters, Street Fighters and so on, somebody that is now lurking code from your posts without being able to thank those coders.

...By not letting me in, you're not making me any bad things, you're not teaching me any lesson and you're not getting from me any artistic, graphic, spiritual or emotive contribution

This doesn't sound like somebody who learned his lesson after a ban.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 10, 2016, 06:21:27 pm
there needs to be a straightforward ban appeal process instead of having to bump into a dude in another forum
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 10, 2016, 06:26:23 pm
Won't stop him if he's banned and his appeal is rejected and he still asks people on other forums to come post requests for him :P Not everybody would know how his appeal went.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 10, 2016, 06:29:30 pm
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I think that admins and moderators over-value their position, abusing of their power and dictating about people's behaviour without thinking about their own attitude toward those who can't stand provokations.
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....Also I think that arrogance in your abuse of power is a clear sign of an ego-centric behaviour by which you are banning someone who shares your same sympathy for games

This reads like a joke post, its not just me, is it? This reads like a literal joke post.


Last time he was unbanned he used it to post goatse.
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1310337

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 10, 2016, 06:33:46 pm
Hatter, I've told him about that, about how the moderators are very open-minded and don't abuse their moderating power.

I think he doesn't have bad intentions, he's sorry for what he's done in the past and he just want to contribute to this forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 10, 2016, 11:49:31 pm
He does not sound sorry at all; i'd be for giving him a second chance if his complaints were directed towards a segment of the user base; but since those are directed at the admins and mods, there does not even seem to be a point in unbanning; just let him make a second account and last until his fuse goes off or he is discovered of ban evasion.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on October 11, 2016, 01:12:02 am
If he wants us to think he's sorry, he needs to show it.

This is not showing it.

I was around for his downfall and TBH, he was pretty bad. Memes everywhere, general disregard for everyone, why he has some giant anti-mod stance now is odd, but it's not doing him any favors whatsoever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on October 11, 2016, 01:37:53 am
It would have been an easy yes from me considering how long ago it was. Till he already laid his mod hate on so thick. He's never even had to deal with most of us and we are probably the most strict on provocation now than the forum has ever been.

I don't care what the other person did though. You don't post goatsee as retaliation and still think it was justified 5 years later.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on October 11, 2016, 03:37:04 am
I never really liked the guy so no, especially if he's going to show dislike towards staff without having a legitimate reason. If you want to contribute, shut up about the staff even if you have legitimate reasons and avoid the ones you don't like while not being a douchebag. It's not that hard.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on October 11, 2016, 03:57:52 am
Giving another chance to our permabanned users is,  statistically speaking, very fucking retarded.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on October 11, 2016, 04:15:11 am
I don't really remember him, but lifers got life for a reason
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 11, 2016, 12:14:47 pm
I honestly thought that when the message was going to be brought up that he would be allowed in since it was so long ago and his ltieral last days were him spamming "Ahaahah " oooooo" "plz to ban me" "baaaan meeee" , i mean that was obviously a not normal situation where something went haywire with him, five years is a long time and I was expecting him to just be normal now I guess.

But he comes running out of the gate about how he hates staff and thats really not painting an image of anyone that is willing to play nice.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: moolambo on October 11, 2016, 04:42:40 pm
hey, people, why is it so difficult for you to believe me?
my first words were exactly: I'm sorry for posting goatse because goatse is horrible. But you know what's even horrible? probably more people are reading this topic and looking for goatse.
no victimism
no hate
no jokes
I'm serious
I wanted to join back and thank those coders, because they are the real people who deserve respect.
Yeah you administrate a board and that's difficult, but you're also human and have weaknesses.
Coders are the sh*t, they deserve respect. And I can't even tell them "thanks" ? Lol.
The second part is: self-promotion, but that's a boring case. I'm not into pixel-art anymore, I do illustrations now. Wouldn't it be a waste to collect opinions from those who play my same games? Come on.
The staff, what can I say about the staff? I think you are reasonable people who get pissed if somebody ruins it all, and I can understand it.
I can say I'm sorry, but if you want me to fall on my knees and cry for re-admittance... lol you're asking for too much.

Come on, guys, more than 5 years have passed and you don't even know what kind of drugs I was into to post that crap. Am I justified? Not at all. I am guilty. Isn't this stupid? We all should be 30 or something, let's grow up and move on. Go beyond your antipathy, prejudice or wounded pride.... I'm even surprised you remember what happened.

Anyway, it's up to you to decide.
If you let me in, I can keep on doing the same stuff I did, without the trolling
If you don't let me in, your parents will die. Just kidding. The coders in your forum will just not receive my deepest thankfulness and people won't see my artworks or any other stuff.

  I think I gave you my apologies two times already. If you can't read it well, read it again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 11, 2016, 04:48:52 pm
hey, people, why is it so difficult for you to believe me?
No one is having a hard time *believing* you. That doesn't stop everyone from having problems with your rants about staff being arrogant and abusing their powers, even though your ban was completely justified. And you keep acting like the staff here is the problem, claiming they can't move past their antipathy and prejudice, where does that even come from, you're just making this up.
It's not that we don't believe you, it's that we KNOW you're wrong, and your attitude about it is bad. And that's your attitude about it *right now*, not what you did 5 years ago.
Also, you should read the responses here more carefully. You're surprised people remember what happened ? Did you miss all the staff members saying they don't mind what you did 5 years ago but it's what you said in your request that went completely wrong ?

What you posted, both the first time and right now, is absolutely not an apology. You're making things even worse and you just keep on insulting people out of nowhere for no reason.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: moolambo on October 11, 2016, 04:53:42 pm
oK, taekwondoer, tell me what's an apology.
let's see where's the communication problem in this.
who's ranting about the staff? I already said that the staff is OK.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 11, 2016, 04:56:27 pm
taekwondoer
What

Also no. I'm not your mommy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: moolambo on October 11, 2016, 04:57:49 pm
in that case, you don't believe me, or you're looking for someone who makes you feel special about being part of the staff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 11, 2016, 05:02:05 pm
Again, what
I'm not part of the staff. And me wanting or not to help you has nothing to do with believing you or not. What.
who's ranting about the staff? I already said that the staff is OK.
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I think that admins and moderators over-value their position, abusing of their power and dictating about people's behaviour without thinking about their own attitude toward those who can't stand provokations.
Also I think that arrogance in your abuse of power is a clear sign of an ego-centric behaviour by which you are banning someone who shares your same sympathy for games such as King of Fighters, Street Fighters and so on, somebody that is now lurking code from your posts without being able to thank those coders.
By not letting me in, you're not making me any bad things, you're not teaching me any lesson and you're not getting from me any artistic, graphic, spiritual or emotive contribution... you're losing somebody who's not surely the most important person in the world, but it's a person anyway.
let's grow up and move on. Go beyond your antipathy, prejudice or wounded pride.... I'm even surprised you remember what happened.
Yeah no.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: moolambo on October 11, 2016, 05:03:28 pm
ok, since you're not part of the staff, what is your influence in this discussion?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on October 11, 2016, 05:05:04 pm
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I think that admins and moderators over-value their position, abusing of their power and dictating about people's behaviour without thinking about their own attitude toward those who can't stand provokations.

....Also I think that arrogance in your abuse of power is a clear sign of an ego-centric behaviour by which you are banning someone who shares your same sympathy for games such as King of Fighters, Street Fighters and so on, somebody that is now lurking code from your posts without being able to thank those coders.

...By not letting me in, you're not making me any bad things, you're not teaching me any lesson and you're not getting from me any artistic, graphic, spiritual or emotive contribution

This doesn't sound like somebody who learned his lesson after a ban.

Oh for pete's sake here.
You didn't say the above? This isn't an apology
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 11, 2016, 05:05:32 pm
ok, since you're not part of the staff, what is your influence in this discussion?
My influence is your mom. You say this after complaining about people's arrogance and ego-centric behavior ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: moolambo on October 11, 2016, 05:08:57 pm
you say "your mom" way too often. I'm not your psycho-analyst.
you want me to change my mind, show me you're not forced by your pride in thinking the things I thought and said.
you're not egocentric? show me you don't care about what people think about you
you're not arrogant? show me you accept critique.
you're not abusing of your power? show me you don't take advantage of your position.

keep on showing hate toward me, and I'll be right and no lesson will be taught to me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 11, 2016, 05:09:57 pm
What the hell are you talking about
no
nobody needs to show you anything. You're the one who's asking to be let back in, why are you making demands like that, or any sort of demand. Go away.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on October 11, 2016, 05:14:41 pm
If you really want back in from a 5-6 year permaban then you're doing yourself absolutely no favors, and making it worse on yourself with this.

Your best bet was to be civil with none of this "Staff are terrible power abusers" crap right off the bat.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on October 11, 2016, 05:17:52 pm
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" Hello this is mulambo,
I've been a contributor in your forum before somebody pissed me off and provoked me to post a goatse photo. I know that I'm guilty for posting such horrible image, but it was just because some people there are really stupid and childish and they made me thought that your forum deserved no respect.
These are not the words of someone who has admitted fault, recognized their error, or apologized, or feels remorse. Everything is the fault of someone else. Quit passing the buck. And this is just the first two sentences of that initial message asking to be unbanned! The rest of it is full of this shit. Gimme a fucking break.

There is absolutely no reason to unban mulambo. This insipid missive he wrote up is proof positive of that.

I think I gave you my apologies two times already. If you can't read it well, read it again.
"apologies" said:
I'm sorry for posting goatse because goatse is horrible. But you know what's even horrible? probably more people are reading this topic and looking for goatse.

I can say I'm sorry, but if you want me to fall on my knees and cry for re-admittance... lol you're asking for too much.
Those aren't apologies. You must be out of you mind if you think they're even close.

All in all, the various messages you've written have proven without a shadow of a doubt that you have learned absolutely nothing from your ban, and there is not a single reason in the world to reverse it.

Also, alt accounts are not allowed, so cya.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on October 11, 2016, 05:18:24 pm
Bye mulambo. Another person that hurts anyone wanting their permaban revoked. One day. One day one will come back and actually have grown up. I believe!!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 11, 2016, 05:26:45 pm
you say "your mom" way too often. I'm not your psycho-analyst.
you want me to change my mind, show me you're not forced by your pride in thinking the things I thought and said.
you're not egocentric? show me you don't care about what people think about you
you're not arrogant? show me you accept critique.
you're not abusing of your power? show me you don't take advantage of your position.

keep on showing hate toward me, and I'll be right and no lesson will be taught to me.


wow we dodged a bullet lifting that ban, good thing you are so incoherent with your posts. Trying to be "internet drama" free while being this dramatic.
Absolute zero self awareness.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on October 11, 2016, 05:27:08 pm
You might as well merge the lolitsmemulambo with the original account Alex linked to, just in case anyone asks again in the future if he's grown up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on October 11, 2016, 07:23:49 pm
But not the way JNP usually does (keeping the new account and deleting the old account). :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on October 11, 2016, 08:07:26 pm
That's for ppl that lost their passwords and are taking forever to get back into main account. Like days. And are coming online with the other.

I don't care if he has access to his old account or not in this case :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: morbidjoe on October 11, 2016, 08:38:42 pm
either way he most likely would have got himself banned again ranting saying he apologized (he clearly wasn't) and not taking any advice then insulting for even giving that advice
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on October 11, 2016, 11:05:08 pm
Bye mulambo. Another person that hurts anyone wanting their permaban revoked. One day. One day one will come back and actually have grown up. I believe!!!
I believe that too. I also believe in the Pokeclipse (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pokeclipse).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on November 12, 2016, 12:20:19 pm
What the F happened to Rajaa's profile? It's deleted!!
Look at this: http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2298945

What's going on?!?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on November 12, 2016, 03:50:38 pm
He deleted his profile by mistake, he already asked val to retrieve it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 04, 2016, 05:44:54 pm
You know the zox incident is borderline criminal charges against him right now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on December 04, 2016, 05:49:38 pm
i agree with alex that uche shouldnt have posted, but damn zox's response was also very unneeded and very hostile.

he was also sending threats and stuff to other people before all this so uche's post wasn't the catalyst to all this.

i personally did not expect him to get banned again, he was approaching me through pm's in a very nice manner so i'm very surprised and dissappinted to see that he's doing this to verz still.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Trololo on December 04, 2016, 05:52:27 pm
Just lol...
This guy doen't know what peace is, I see.
Man, why did Zox do this? Hell, talanted naive dickh.... complicated man.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on December 04, 2016, 05:56:09 pm
He can be processed for criminal charges and should be.
What he is claiming to have as an objective is stuff he can be arrested for and the evidence exists for it. Verz is being counseled by other people towards that end.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: HQ on December 04, 2016, 07:17:46 pm
I hope MFG can legally give information about Zox to Verz's lawyers. IP Adress, Name, etc...
Zox should and will hopefully get a visit from the police. I think he is from Germany, so even MFG could probably sue & probably has to intervene. (MFG is based in Germany right?!)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Retro Respecter on December 04, 2016, 08:22:15 pm
Do you think we can do it? There has to be some way we can show them this...http://www.infinitymugenteam.com/Forum_345/index.php?topic=45697.msg534839#msg534839
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on December 04, 2016, 08:28:24 pm
I like that line where he insults the other guy as a peace of shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DukeNukem 2417 on December 04, 2016, 09:58:28 pm
I've notified the admins of MMV about the Zox situation.  Hopefully, their trademark apathy won't keep them from acting in the best interests of everyone involved....

UPDATE: MMV has "expelled" Zox for cyber-bullying. 
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Masterhand128 on December 04, 2016, 10:38:31 pm
Apart from MMV I think Zox should be permabanned here, specially because his death threat show he won´t learn about his enmity with Verz.
Anyways I will give the best of the lucks with Mr.Verz and I hope Zox will have his legals consequences.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ShinZankuro on December 04, 2016, 10:42:10 pm
Zox is actually permabanned
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Erroratu on December 04, 2016, 11:29:32 pm
I think he is from Germany
Me and Zox talked a couple of times last year and I'm pretty sure he was living in Serbia at that time
But yea,stealing and distributing someone elses personal information without their consent is illegal and should be met with legal action
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: O Ilusionista on December 05, 2016, 03:01:17 pm
Zox shown some "proofs" of the "insults" here http://vampirekillers.boards.net/page/responce-to-mugen-ad
Read it, if you want to laugh.

And a bit more http://imgur.com/a/DArwY
(warning: strong language)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: black dragon on December 05, 2016, 03:31:51 pm
guy is crazy but  i understand one thing about him if someone attacks you and you attack back to they will play the innocent card in they
act like they did not start nothing
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Trololo on December 05, 2016, 03:53:08 pm
Just lol.
Zox's behavior now really reminds me about Random X-Girlfriend's hysteria about her X-Boyfriend now have better life without her and she even didn't tryed to hide it somehow. Man, and THAT'S hilarious, cause this is behavior of man without ANY self-respect!
Too bad for him...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on December 14, 2016, 01:50:47 am
How is this the real life?

I thought I knew what peak mugen drama was. I was wrong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 17, 2016, 02:25:10 pm
i dont know where to post this because it doesnt deserve its own thread but its time to kill the 8) emoticon (http://mugenguild.com/forum/Smileys/mfg/cool.gif) or at least make it so it only shows up if you type :8):
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Darkflare on December 18, 2016, 07:53:06 am
I think it's pretty clear that Jason will just keep dismissing facts and replacing them with his own just to keep defending MA. An endless loop that will continue until he's pernabanned if you ask me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 28, 2016, 02:17:18 am
RE: http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/fighting-games-re-street-fighter-v-177797.0.html
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Well it's literally directly after your poke. I dont think he'd have gone there.
"you're an idiot" is not an acceptable reply to "you're copping out of the argument"
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Look, I didn't give you a warning
i didn't say you did
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I mean, look at it from my view. A report about "Feel free to keep your outdated "knowledge", time will eventually show how wrong you are, its just videogames, it won't kill you for not knowing."?? I'm honestly not seeing it. idk. To me it's just silly.
that post by itself doesn't mean a lot, you have to look at the posts before it to notice the thread derail is on lord m because he's very bad at arguing
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: yaminogun on January 03, 2017, 02:59:20 am
who t heck change back my name without warning. im not violating mugenguild rule
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on January 03, 2017, 03:06:20 am
Were you the guy who changed his name to some exceedingly long nonsense which broke the forum layout, or am I mistaking you for someone else?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 03, 2017, 03:07:55 am
If it matters he's been using that memey text thing that looks like a bunch of garbage.

You know, the stuff that's in his personal text but as his display name.

I didn't do it BTW.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on January 03, 2017, 03:13:46 am
I was busy so I asked Iced to edit your name. That kind of text messes up the look of the forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on January 03, 2017, 09:15:39 pm
i dont know where to post this because it doesnt deserve its own thread but its time to kill the 8) emoticon (http://mugenguild.com/forum/Smileys/mfg/cool.gif) or at least make it so it only shows up if you type :8):
Done. It'd probably be better to post this stuff in my JNP thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 07, 2017, 08:30:52 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2327093

Regarding the Reixseiryu thread, no, DON'T shit-can it. Do something about him because it's clear he's not learning that his behavior and what he did was wrong.

Sure there's no rule that you HAVE to give credit, but last I checked people have been banned for denying evidence that's clear as day while being a shithead to others, and that's EXACTLY what he's doing right now, even after (presumably) a night of sleep to calm down, think this over, admit the mistakes people are asking him to own up to, and moving on. Because none of this would be happening if he had just done those things.

If you're allowing this to continue without taking proper action, then your course of action should be to set an example to users that this is what happens when you do this type of thing. And they won't see that in the shit thread.

R@CE has done something similar in the past, yes, but he actually apologized and eventually did the right thing. Reixseiryu is not.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 07, 2017, 08:59:10 pm
TDS:  it's not about the inital offense, hell the initial offense is as ridiculous small as it can get, but it's about the way he is making all of that scalate, he's been told at least 5 times what to do to diffuse it and he just keeps on making it bigger and to prove he just can't socialize with people whom don't agree with him, so to speak. trashing the topic is a nono, considering the irrelevance of the release itself (as 10usd comission for a colour separation aand even some gamepaly edits) I think it should be mvoed to hall of fame as an example on how not to react when you are caught lying.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on February 07, 2017, 09:09:33 pm
That's actually a good point. And I think I'm so used to his antics I don't even see them as higher tier problematic anymore. Eh, I hate becoming complacent about things I shouldn't.

Especially when he's been banned for doing the same in the past.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on February 22, 2017, 09:28:27 pm
Bastard Wolf has 2 contributor stars.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 22, 2017, 09:46:29 pm
Someone did that as a joke a few weeks ago but they may have forgotten now
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: hatter on February 22, 2017, 10:01:42 pm
Someone did that as a joke a few weeks ago but they may have forgotten now

It was @Iced: I think who gave him those two stars for finding a PDF document about a petition for MUGEN or some shit.

Tagged him here so he can see this, maybe he did forget about it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 22, 2017, 10:23:45 pm
I dont remember doing that but that sounds like something I would do.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on February 23, 2017, 12:31:24 am
Hey AlexSin, thank you very much for bringing this up and had it fixed.
[avatar]http://i.imgur.com/5TFLWxd.png[/avatar]
You deserve a high-five! In the face.... with a chair!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on February 23, 2017, 12:36:08 am
You ruined the ONE thing this poor bastard had, how can you live with yourself :'(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 23, 2017, 01:01:25 am
You ruined the ONE thing this poor bastard had, how can you live with yourself :'(
the real question is, how can poor bastard live with himself?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on February 23, 2017, 01:05:41 am
the real question is, how can poor bastard live with himself?
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Seriously, this guy probabbly used to remind the teacher to leave homework on weekends!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on February 24, 2017, 06:31:28 pm
Less homework at school the better, what are you talking about? :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 17, 2017, 07:11:29 pm
JnP continues to censor the posting class. Sad!

So much for the tolerant left!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 01, 2017, 10:36:38 pm
please never do another wordfilter april 1st joke
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 01, 2017, 10:47:49 pm
Please actually put some effort for next april 1st joke
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 01, 2017, 10:50:10 pm
i dont care about the amount of effort just dont do another wordfilter thing
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: RadBot i on April 02, 2017, 10:12:14 am
it also breaks links and i can't be bothered to fix them you dumbos
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DarkWolf13 on April 03, 2017, 05:50:09 am
Please don't ever mess the wordfiltering again. Imho, that was the worst April Fool's joke ever pulled. It really messed up some words in people's threads.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: hatter on April 03, 2017, 06:06:28 am
Yeah, the wordfilter's a goddamn nuissance, and I think an April Fool's Day without it would be better one-hundred fold.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on April 03, 2017, 06:13:22 am
i think it can be funny at times where a poster is being very serious and gets some stupid words thrown in their serious post.
the links and other stuff can be fixed by our cool radrobot so its no biggie!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on April 03, 2017, 06:24:32 am
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no love for boku no turompu filter
you people break my heart  :bigcry:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on April 04, 2017, 03:28:00 am
I'd have to agree. It's more annoying than funny. At least last time with the pony nonsense, I could understand it. Though with this Japanese gibberish, I could't make heads or tails of most things. Idk wtf "kawaii", kakkoi(?), "boku no turompu" means and don't feel like going out the way to find out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on April 04, 2017, 03:31:47 am
half of it was wrong too
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 04, 2017, 06:10:30 am
lets just forget that happened
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Whiplash- on April 04, 2017, 06:11:20 am
IMO you didn't go far enough.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango on April 04, 2017, 11:13:03 am
half of it was wrong too
PRETTY SURE the wrongness was part of the joke, because, y'know, weeaboos don't actually know Japanese.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 04, 2017, 03:51:44 pm
Everyone is Sodom
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 04, 2017, 04:01:45 pm
I avoided anything short to avoid fucking upw ith urls.

The one that killed me was when i replaced ... with DESUDESU and all of smoke posts become hilarious.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 04, 2017, 05:00:50 pm
I avoided anything short to avoid fucking upw ith urls.
And then you filtered Trump
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 04, 2017, 05:41:58 pm
fuubs replacement for it was just too perfect!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 07, 2017, 12:52:45 am
just use the progressive ban system when he throws another tantrum to keep everythign as simple as possible ?

it's not as if he will stop throwing them, but if he does, then it's good. and he always comes back ok; I mean, if there was a way of doing it easily i'd say to make a mod that stops him from posting when he's drunk but that's not doable in practice.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on April 07, 2017, 01:22:44 am
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what do we do about jag endless parade of meltdowns followed by acting like hes a changed person?

Ive prohibited him from posting on all thats left, i had previously prohibited him from posting on random topic ( where he would have his constant meltdowns) but this seems like its an issue that wont go away.

For once, I agree with Iced. Ban him already because he's only doing this because he knows you guys are pussies who never do it enough and prefer to just make fun of them constantly like you're some fucking sociopath. Yes, let's "own" him with some "dank meme" for the trillionth time, that'll show him!


Also
Fubs said:
chimpout

As much as I'd love for that term to be a synonym for "apeshit," it isn't. It actually carries very racist connotations so it'd be best to avoid usage.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Odb718 on April 09, 2017, 09:10:20 am
I have an idea for next years April Fools; a 1 day temp ban on everyone, except people with 5 stars. Couple that with no new accounts.
It'd be hiiiiiiiiilarious.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on April 11, 2017, 12:58:54 am
As much as I'd love for that term to be a synonym for "apeshit," it isn't. It actually carries very racist connotations so it'd be best to avoid usage.

^

As much as I'm normally one to laugh at people calling things racist that aren't, this is a pretty bad one and genuinely shouldn't be used.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 11, 2017, 01:22:39 am
I wonder if we should include in the racist wordlist  the ones that are exclusively used in the usa instead of just the ones used globally.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 11, 2017, 01:34:00 am
Like how cunt is only a "bad word" in the US but not in England or Australia.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on April 11, 2017, 01:44:00 am
I don't think this is an American thing, I think this is a 'so bad it's not commonly used anywhere' thing. I've only come across it in terrible corners of the internet.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 11, 2017, 01:47:00 am
As far as I ever saw, chimp is short for chimpanzee, and I genuinely don't know what you guys are saying it's a racist connotation for. I assume it's either for Black or Asian people, one or the other, but I honestly have never seen it used in that context, personally (TBF I don't hear people talk about chimpanzees every day either, and I also don't spend a lot of time listening to how racist people commonly talk, but you get my point). I didn't get what JZ was talking about the first time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 11, 2017, 01:49:08 am
americans tend to use chimpout to signify a black person being angry.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chimp%20Out
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 11, 2017, 01:51:16 am
Oh, so it is mostly just the US then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on April 11, 2017, 02:22:03 am
i remember him also cracking a joke about how black people can't be seen in the dark. i think he's a very insensitive person.
he also has a poor choice for nicknames, that scrotum one was super hilarious, wasn't it?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on April 11, 2017, 02:46:14 am
As far as I ever saw, chimp is short for chimpanzee, and I genuinely don't know what you guys are saying it's a racist connotation for. I assume it's either for Black or Asian people, one or the other, but I honestly have never seen it used in that context, personally (TBF I don't hear people talk about chimpanzees every day either, and I also don't spend a lot of time listening to how racist people commonly talk, but you get my point). I didn't get what JZ was talking about the first time.
Blacks are compared to monkeys to signify they're savages. It's an old stereotype. It didn't click with me "chimping out" was about blacks because I've also heard the expression used when whites have meltdowns and assumed it was more universal, like "going bannanas", but I don't have a problem with not using it again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on April 11, 2017, 02:53:29 am
Yeah, I get that, it's just that I also never heard that particular expression being specific to Black people (or Asians, who have also had that racist comparison, because racism).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on April 11, 2017, 03:18:44 am
As far as I ever saw, chimp is short for chimpanzee, and I genuinely don't know what you guys are saying it's a racist connotation for. I assume it's either for Black or Asian people, one or the other, but I honestly have never seen it used in that context, personally (TBF I don't hear people talk about chimpanzees every day either, and I also don't spend a lot of time listening to how racist people commonly talk, but you get my point). I didn't get what JZ was talking about the first time.
Blacks are compared to monkeys to signify they're savages. It's an old stereotype. It didn't click with me "chimping out" was about blacks because I've also heard the expression used when whites have meltdowns and assumed it was more universal, like "going bannanas", but I don't have a problem with not using it again.

I wasn't trying to hate on you or anything, don't know you enough to care, it's just an expression I've only seen in places like coontown or stormfront (and I feel shitty that I have seen anything from those places at all).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: adriano gt on April 11, 2017, 11:51:25 am
Even though I'm white, I've been called a monkey, for simply being Brazilian .... it's that the jungles of Brazil are full of monkeys.
In fact, people like that have no argument, and they seek any cursing to offend you
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on May 12, 2017, 09:36:13 pm
i remember that...I am regret it..I start to enjoy hentai since I shared with my couple..and started to found ecchi boring...and I liked it since 2007..I got a hentai mugen forum which I admin..sadly few people are interested in that....I remember mugen h was more popular years ago...and kuromaru and pals saves it and keep it alive..
not only my hentai..and do not like all genres of that..but there are hot things..

can we have a rule that prohibits nsfw discussions in threads that don't really need it? I mean ive seen this before with loli discussions, but with this I really would like these discussions to be in their own respective areas.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on May 12, 2017, 10:49:32 pm
I thought there was one but that only applies to images apparently. Last I checked the staff got onto people for it anyway so a rule does sound in order.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on May 13, 2017, 03:26:46 am
Smoke is a special case because Smoke can only shitpost it seems

It's a gimmick to troll/derail everything possible. A bad one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ShinZankuro on May 13, 2017, 03:28:45 am
Thank god someone already made a action about that H- unnecessary debate LOL

Deleting that thread could help also, no?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 13, 2017, 03:55:03 am
deleting pages and pages of discussion (which wasn't 100% garbage) just because smoke started posting shit is a really fucking stupid idea

i don't think it deserves a rule because it doesn't happen very often
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on May 13, 2017, 08:22:08 am
oh hai!

just wanted to point out that i was the one who asked smoke to detail further about the whole hentai thing (even if smoke was the one who brought it up in the 1st place):
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2349800
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on May 13, 2017, 03:20:26 pm
Please refrain from that in the future. At the same time though your post wasn't really creepy and trying to turn a thread into a fetish discussion
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: artistropeadope on November 24, 2017, 06:47:26 am
Hello. I'm blunt & intolerant to disrespectful commenters. Also, this community's releases seem regressive to me :jackie:. Can the admin delete an account? If so, I would love if they deleted mine?  :angel:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on November 24, 2017, 06:53:27 am
You already got a reply elsewhere:
We don't delete accounts, or ban people because they request it, or what have you.

If you really want your account to be inaccessible, just change your email and password to something random.
Don't keep posting this spiel all over the forums.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on November 24, 2017, 06:54:55 am
And at the same time, drop the arrogance ("Also, this community's releases seem regressive to me" get off your high horse) and horrible attitude and maybe you wouldn't have this sort of thing happening.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on November 24, 2017, 02:10:30 pm
Poked around on his website and found this gem:

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Artistropeadope has perfected asymmetrical coding even though everyone else said it's not possible. Now, the mitts are off!!! This new Cloud will have sprites on a level no other creator can duplicate. This is the only creator TALENTED enough to SINGLE HANDEDLY evolve M.U.G.E.N. Let's go!!!

Don't think we'll be seeing that arrogance dropped any time soon.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Trololo on November 24, 2017, 02:38:50 pm
...Just LOL.
Artistropeadope, if you're reading this. I hope you will find a way to contact me and show, how did you handle breaking of character's asymmetry when he gets into the Custom States like throws and etc. THIS would really be something revolutionary if I would throw asymmetrical character with literally ANY character in MUGEN with NO special patches for them and he wouldn't change his side.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OldGamer on June 18, 2018, 06:05:32 am
Hey guys, never used this thread before so I guess I try lol. I notice that Navana releasing content on MMV and other areas, and he is unbanned on everywhere else except here. Did a tiny bit of info searching and he been gone for four years. I met him three years ago. Know he made lots of dumb choices when he was around site for a long period of time, since he was teen I assume? :hyo: Anyway, he been in and out hiatus for a years now here and there, but just now returned permanently. I teach him mugen stage stuff and I'm his teacher as you guys know and he released a good amount of material over the last couple years gradually being better, like that Shantae stage and other packs of stages and recently release things on return.

I think he deserve a chance to post his release here and talk again. I know he crazy in the past but you know, every body learns from mistakes time after time. Just saw him in other Discord servers and he been helping out other forum and they all seem to notice his improvements and enjoy him too. Last post we see was apparently him in 2014 trying to access site again but it was a friend of his or something or turn out to be him, because he wanted stage help but couldn't get at the time so he was lost, thats what i thought when reading. Anyway, I feel he deserve one more chance and like the old saying goes, "If you forgive others the wrongs they have done to you, you are in heaven will also forgive you."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on June 18, 2018, 06:13:22 am
Navana has had numerous chances over his long history with this board. I'm happy he can be a productive member of the community somewhere else and am also happy it is not here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OldGamer on June 18, 2018, 06:28:39 am
Navana has had numerous chances over his long history with this board. I'm happy he can be a productive member of the community somewhere else and am also happy it is not here.
its been 4 years, can bye gone be bye gone and give Navana changes. let start a new beginning and forget the past

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on June 18, 2018, 06:36:08 am
At the time of his final ban, Navana had been permanently banned from this forum 4 times already. That is more permanent bans and overturns of said permanent bans than anyone on this forum has ever had. Those bans were for a reason and that reason is that Navana could not seemingly help himself. Maybe he has changed, maybe he hasn't, but at a certain point bygones are just get-gones.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OldGamer on June 18, 2018, 07:44:49 am
At the time of his final ban, Navana had been permanently banned from this forum 4 times already. That is more permanent bans and overturns of said permanent bans than anyone on this forum has ever had. Those bans were for a reason and that reason is that Navana could not seemingly help himself. Maybe he has changed, maybe he hasn't, but at a certain point bygones are just get-gones.
I understand and thank you for your time Speedpreacher

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on June 18, 2018, 04:49:04 pm
I don’t care if a mod has already said no but I’m going to throw in my 2 cents anyway:

Hell no.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on June 18, 2018, 06:05:43 pm
Oh that wasn't me with my mod hat on

That was me with my decade plus member hat on saying nope, not interested in taking the chance
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 19, 2018, 03:46:12 am
But here's me with my mod hat saying absolutely not

For the same reasons Speed said + whose to say he's not going to go back to his old habits? He's constantly claimed he wouldn't in the past and then he'd do it again, either looking for attention or trying to get a mod to do something that another mod said no on, etc.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Odb718 on June 19, 2018, 09:07:06 am
I say we shouldn't risk it. I dont know what he did to not
allow him back on the forum. But what ever it was it mus be serious
The mods aren't crazy. Maybe 1 is, but it's not like they
are just being mean.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on June 19, 2018, 10:38:35 am
isn't that the guy who impersonated a girl and stole her pictures from facebook and started posting them in the "post your pictures" thread?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on June 19, 2018, 10:48:21 am
the one and the same.

from my experience with him in the mmv forum and a certain incident which has probably scarred my brain in the recent couple of years, i say no.

his old habits are still very apparent after what i witnessed there :/

OG im glad you think that he's doing better elsewhere, but no. allowing him back here after all the stuff he did isn't really that good of an idea.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zemilia on June 19, 2018, 10:57:41 am
Even if he apparently changed, still gonna say no. And it's not me with a mod hat on, it's me already went through dealing with Navana, even if it was years ago.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Demitri on June 19, 2018, 01:11:07 pm
Just gonna throw my 2 cents in, don't mind me.

If he's doing better elsewhere, then let him do better there. He got himself banned from here. His actions and choices.
The fact that you're even teaching him how to make stages sounds like old Navana habits. He's gone to/been taught by a few seasoned stage creators in the past already (GLB & Dissidia for example). Between that and all the info that can be found in a search on here and in the docs, there's no reason he should even need you to teach him. That's your prerogative however.

I could be being cynical, but from my own experience and those of friends, he's one of those people who do things with ulterior motivation. He'll play nice for a while then get back into his old antics.

And why does he want to be unbanned? I would never want to go back to a place that banned me 4 times. That doesn't make sense unless you plan on stirring up shit imo
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 19, 2018, 07:37:25 pm
I've heard nothing but bad news regarding this user and sure, he may be doing better elsewhere but he did a serious number with his activity here and just because he turned over a new leaf doesn't mean he really did so with that, Navana should not be allowed back here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cenobite 53 on July 26, 2018, 11:11:12 pm
Is Jesuszilla really banned? For hiding insults in his sig?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 26, 2018, 11:17:58 pm
Yes, he's really banned for doing the thing he's been told not to do multiple times in the past. And has been banned for in the past. We even had to make a rule saying not to hide insults to people in his characters. Even when he's barely active he simply can't help himself though  &gt;_&gt;
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on July 26, 2018, 11:26:32 pm
did you guys get an accurate translation from someone who knows japanese?
google translate isn't the most reliable when it comes to translating complex sentences. he could be referring to something or someone not from here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on July 26, 2018, 11:29:58 pm
I saw the screenshot in the warnings thread and yes, the translation was correct. In fact, the Japanese text looked like it was translated from English through Google in the first place, it was awkwardly phrased, exactly as broken in Japanese as the English translation sounded. But there's zero chance that "eat your mother's pussy" was a mistranslation in either direction. I'm just not exactly sure who it as aimed at to begin with (possibly at people who use Google Translate).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cenobite 53 on July 26, 2018, 11:41:31 pm
But at whom are those insults directed? And who is offended by those?
I am not trying to defend him, since I have nothing to with this guy.
I am very long in the mugen scene, but out of the drama shit all the time.
Just want to understand whats going on, since I enjoy his mugen content.
His Felicia release is still in the top advertisement threads at the top of the forum ;D
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on July 26, 2018, 11:45:02 pm
Regardless of who it was targeted at, JNP was saying he's been doing that multiple times and has been told to not hide insults in his posts and his characters, and he's been banned for that before. And he was still doing the same thing. I don't know how else one might spin this for an excuse.

Oh wait, that wasn't a recent addition ? Yeaaah, maybe you guys should have asked him about it first :-\ (I turned off all sig and avatar display years ago, I don't even remember what my signature is, I can relate)
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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 27, 2018, 12:05:41 am
From what he told me (I'm in a discord server he's also in, go figure), he put that there when he was 23. He's 28 now.

Given how it wasn't in a visible area and that youtube link in his signature was dead, I want to believe him.

Also JNP, why did you change his profile to insults? I thought we didn't do that?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on July 27, 2018, 12:26:35 am
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/326390302225203202/470240280713625616/oh_look_I_translated_it_with_Google.png)

Pretty sure he didn't have the foresight to call out the explodsive buffering system in his bio 5 years ago as well, yet, here we are. That really ruins that excuse because even if he did make it 5 years ago, he still edited it to include the buffering system remark without editing out the insult, knowing it was there. There's no excuses this time.


The bio/sig changing thing is pretty childish though even if it's a literal translation of what he said
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 27, 2018, 12:48:52 am
Having "Explod buffering is braindead retarded" shown openly in anyone's sig would be perfectly fine. Potentially the "mother's pussy" message would've been fine if displayed out in the open too, though probably not if it was written in Japanese—because the whole issue here is the hiding of shit, not really the content.

Also, it doesn't actually matter one iota how old any of this is. It doesn't make it right!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 27, 2018, 01:26:43 am
so on top of everything he lied to gill instead of admitting what he did.

Jz is now permabanned.

This childish shit that he repeatedly pulls never had any place here, and the countless friends he fucked in the ass to do it should stop.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Eric The Nihilist on July 27, 2018, 01:42:20 am
Isn't changing his profile to say "I'm braindead retarded" just as childish and petty though?

You can't ban a guy for being childish and just go and do the exact same thing.

Honestly, I really don't even like the guy, I think he's a bully... but c'mon dudes, that was an easy win and all you had to do was *nothing* and you had the higher ground.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on July 27, 2018, 01:43:51 am
It is, jnp already admitted it and said he'll change it back right away
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on July 27, 2018, 01:53:06 am
i don't think something that he did outside of this forum's scope is grounds for him to be permabanned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on July 27, 2018, 01:56:39 am
It's not the fact that he did it outside of the forum, it's that he was telling someone in THIS forum that he forgot about it for 5 years and essentially lied about it to seem like he didn't do much wrong. Thing is, it would be literally impossible to not be aware of it because he added in the explodsive buffering remark, which didn't exist back till half a year ago. If you edit a sig you see EVERYTHING you typed.

The remarks themselves didn't get him in trouble, it's the fact he hid them. JZ has been here long enough, he knows better. And instead of just owning up to it, he decides to tell others from this forum that lame excuse to report back here.

Lying will always get you banned no matter what. This is one of those things where there is no excuse no matter how you put it. JZ knows better and he isn't dumb. Neither is anyone else
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 27, 2018, 03:44:48 am
Bah, I removed the insults "which were merely rewordings of what he said reverted back to him". It's been a while since I could be childish back =p

quote from discord
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My excuse isn’t good. He’d been doing this for a while with not just me but so many others. It wasn’t even malicious. I don’t know. More like “now I’m ribbing you back bizatch! You dish it out, can ya take it?”

This of course doesn't make it right. Heck I was being a hypocrite doing it since I've always been the one to call out those that do this. But he's called me out for so many years and the "insults" are so laughable and minor I just felt the need to be childish just once back. I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling kids and your stupid dog.

I don't feel the new findings deserve any increase in ban length but we're still discussing it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on July 27, 2018, 04:45:13 am
At the risk of sounding like being part of his defense force (Which is kind of a BS move since you're trying to condition people into not saying anything with that) I just HAD to come here after more than half a year because no way I was missing out on this event (Thank you Discord), it's just too damn funny! I don't know what's more hilarious:

* The fact that he gets tagged as a liar because he forgot that the last time he edited his post was 2 years ago instead of 5 (As if it was remotely relevant to this). Spinning that into a lie was a plot twist I'm sure no one expected, much less that being used as an excuse to finally get rid of a person certain people dislike.

* That someone randomly decided to check his sig 5 years after he was told to not to hide insults there (If not even more). I'm not sure what would be worse here as the answer, a mod waking up one day and suddenly thinking "Oh hey let's check Jesuszilla's code in his sig months after he stopped being active here!" or a contrived story about how a random user decided to do that and report it to the mods.

* That after getting him banned for months his profile is edited to do the very thing he's banned for and apparently not a single moderator objected it since then until like what, today? After backlash from a couple of users? The actions of one moderator reflects on all of you, you all should know better just like he should've known better with his sig. This makes all of you look bad and good for you for fixing it *now* but it's a thing to keep in mind from this point forward.


Just like your admin has the right to think that whoever jumps in his defense here does so just because it's JZ (Cue "Morale Support Unit") I, and anyone who's been here for years really, have the right to think that this is far more personal towards him than ever (Especially after the hilarious permaban). Don't get me wrong, he deserves his initial ban (I don't think anyone's actually objecting that, not even him I bet) but you cannot tell me this didn't look fishy as fuck from the get-go. If it was someone else getting banned in such fashion then I'm sure any acquaintance of that person would have a similar opinion on the situation (And probably even I would if I noticed such patterns and knew about the event). It's my problem that this chain of events give me a "personal matters" vibe but none of you are certainly helping for the opposite to happen.

I probably respect like 3/4 of the mod team at best and I wasn't a fan of how certain things developed a while ago nor a fan of certain people in charge so I simply left, and while extremely funny to see that at the end I was right with how a chunk of the mod team can go out of their way for personal reasons, I still have a lot of acquaintances and friends here (Even in the mod team) and it's BS that every time I come back to check how things are it's the same suspects doing stupid crap here and there.

I just hope that someone eventually analyzes his old Felicia and Jerry sig image to find "Fuck the MFG admins" hidden somewhere along the metadata of the picture combined with the hex values after they generate the protocol and get to the IB feed through the optical AGP panel. All that so he can get double-permabanned.


Take this as feedback or as a complain, whatever you want. You can even go to the mod chat and gloat about how you "called" this post happening, have fun with that, but at least I can come here and be straightforward about it. How many of you can say the same after that ridiculous permaban? I'm now left wondering how many similar things happened in all these months I was absent.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Formerly Hoshi on July 27, 2018, 05:10:42 am
I gotta agree with Red on this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on July 27, 2018, 05:21:23 am
I'm gonna chime in and agree that this feels more personal, rather than unbiased. I just recently got off work, or I would have spoke up earlier. Whether you decide to stick with it or not, eh... It is what it is. Though seems a bit over zealous just for some broken gibberish insult. On the outside looking in, it looks like someone took the insult personally and is pushing the envelop. I respect JZ and find him cool overall, though I'm very unbiased about this whole thing. I'm certainly not someone who has, I suppose for a lack of a better term, "white-knighted" for him. I'm just keeping it 100%.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 27, 2018, 05:26:16 am
* The fact that he gets tagged as a liar because he forgot that the last time he edited his post was 2 years ago instead of 5 (As if it was remotely relevant to this). Spinning that into a lie was a plot twist I'm sure no one expected, much less that being used as an excuse to finally get rid of a person certain people dislike.
Again, it was—at most—barely a year ago, because it references a thing that didn't exist until a year ago. In fact, it probably was edited in around the time of this post. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2393699) That's not something that anyone could confuse as being written 5 years ago.

* That someone randomly decided to check his sig 5 years after he was told to not to hide insults there (If not even more). I'm not sure what would be worse here as the answer, a mod waking up one day and suddenly thinking "Oh hey let's check Jesuszilla's code in his sig months after he stopped being active here!" or a contrived story about how a random user decided to do that and report it to the mods.
I mean, it was in fact just a random user who had ad-blocked images and thus had the message show up, but I guess that's not gonna convince anyone who's talking about "contrived stories". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This is the image they sent us (cropped to remove anything identifying):
(https://i.imgur.com/XybbFfh.png)

* That after getting him banned for months his profile is edited to do the very thing he's banned for and apparently not a single moderator objected it since then until like what, today? After backlash from a couple of users? The actions of one moderator reflects on all of you, you all should know better just like he should've known better with his sig. This makes all of you look bad and good for you for fixing it *now* but it's a thing to keep in mind from this point forward.
None of us besides JNP knew because, well, JZ was banned, and wasn't making new posts. It's not some weird conspiracy, man! We all agreed to remove that stuff as soon as we were alerted to it!

Also, just an FYI, the initial decision to increase the ban length to perma was not discussed with the mod team, so we had to grab everyone and have a big conversation about all this. We discussed the whole lying thing and whether stuff said off the forum has bearing on ban length, but it's still such a blatant, obvious falsehood and skeezy that the original ban was simply not severe enough.

So: the permaban is off the table, but the original ban has been increased from three months to a year. That is all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 27, 2018, 05:32:58 am
The rest of the staff didn't know I edited the insults to direct back at him. It was all me, I've advocated not doing it for almost 2 decades. If he can't handle someone that has never EVER done anything back to him after he has targeted me for so many years simply redirecting his silly insults back at him then i dunno. It wasn't right for me to do it. But you're also being ridiculous and pedantic. You're defending someone that has lashed out at people for nearly 15 years. Of course some of them may want him gone. TBF if the cycle had been going sooner he'd been perma banned long ago. Dude's been banned so many times for the same BS. You can't just hand wave that he's not an asshole.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on July 27, 2018, 05:39:17 am
Hi, this is Speedpreacher. I was co-chair for the legal defense this week. On a personal note, I'd like to thank some of you for making it so clear that speaking so passionately against making the ban longer in the first place was a failure on my part. Stupid me!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on July 27, 2018, 05:43:44 am
The rest of the staff didn't know I edited the insults to direct back at him. It was all me, I've advocated not doing it for almost 2 decades. If he can't handle someone that has never EVER done anything back to him after he has targeted me for so many years simply redirecting his silly insults back at him then i dunno. It wasn't right for me to do it. But you're also being ridiculous and pedantic. You're defending someone that has lashed out at people for nearly 15 years. Of course some of them may want him gone. TBF if the cycle had been going sooner he'd been perma banned long ago. Dude's been banned so many times for the same BS. You can't just hand wave that he's not an asshole.

I suppose in the grand scheme of things, that's your opinion of him. Granted it may be justified, IDK you guys' history, though still. Wounds may run deep, and that's just something you guys will have to come to terms with/hash out some day. I don't pay a huge amount of attention to everything that goes on, though speaking from my own personal experience, JZ is my dude lol. For real though. It's crazy how one person can loathe someone, while another holds that same person in high regard.

He always helps me with my char development. I don't talk to anyone that much, but generally speaking he's a cool guy to converse with. He gave me a home in these mean MUGEN streets and he always keeps it 100%. IDK man... I guess if people brought up old slights about him or w/e, but I wouldn't judge him on that stuff anyway. I can only speak on my personal feelings toward him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 27, 2018, 05:54:18 am
Hi~!

Just posting to say that I don't support a year on this one, I'm sure the rest of the staff know my reasons.

That's all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: R565 on July 27, 2018, 06:05:14 am
True, I try to keep out of the politics in this forum myself and from what I had seen of JZ is he can be pretty hard to be around with but you can't deny his talent for creating stuff for MUGEN, and the people close to him will vouch for him hands down. But at the same time, he really shouldn't have put that stuff in his signature or characters, knowing that he's been doing this kind of behavior on and off for over 15 years is crazy. I would probably want to keep that stuff in the past but with his personality and elder standing it's pretty darn hard to do that, since he likes to be on the edge of either . He still should be banned no doubt; permabanned might be a little excessive, but more than three months will be more than fair since he did lie to Gill about it.

Like I said earlier, this seems like something between the old heads around here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 27, 2018, 06:08:31 am
he did lie to Gill about it.

Yeah I'm just going to nip this right now.

He did not.

and I know he did not.

Why? Because he's never had reason to lie to me in the past. That YT link was long dead, and I know he has a habit of fucking around with his knowledge of Japanese. From what I've seen from him in the past, there's no way that block of Japanese was aimed at anyone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 27, 2018, 06:10:05 am
DivineWolf, all I want to ask is if you've ever had to step in and tell JZ to stop insulting anyone? It tends to not go well. I could show you PMs =p
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Foobs on July 27, 2018, 06:16:55 am
For those of you who look at the current situation in a vacuum, JZ's ban might seem excessive use of force for what's just a handful of petty insults. Thing is, we're not talking about a single action here but a clearly established pattern on his side. Let's take a look his posting history shall we:

- JZ had the bad habit of making posts and the deleting them quickly, said ephemeral masterpieces were usually insults or variations of the word "nigger". His editing privileges were revoked for a while for this:

http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/the-edit-button--108955.20.html

- Jesuszilla was one of the few users who mourned the loss of the transparent tag (yours truly did as well). He used it for similar purposes as the quick edits. Worth noting is that he kept trying different workarounds such as specific hues of blue to blend with the forum's background color.

http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/okay-whos-genius-who-decided-that-no-form-trans-text-be-allowed-137832.0.html

- Jesuszilla has also taken shots at people directly through his own mugen works. He thought it'd be clever to hide stuff in Bluestreak's CNS files.

http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/split-jzss-wip-thread-tied-recent-releases-ethics-feedback-thread-157067.0.html

- My memory is a bit hazy on this one and I can't find a useful link, but at one point JZ used his signature to jab at people in japanese (Sean Altly maybe?). He was told to cut that shit off. It's referenced in the link above, if you bother to read thru all of it.

- And here we stand today, at the apex of JZ passive agressiveness: hidden text and hidden text in *japanese* beneath his signature, where only he himself he could see it (or so he thought). This game of cat and mouse has obviously gone way too fucking far.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Berry on July 27, 2018, 06:56:39 am
what the actual fuck was that last thread
Title: BOMB 1
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on July 27, 2018, 07:09:46 am
Again, it was—at most—barely a year ago, because it references a thing that didn't exist until a year ago. In fact, it probably was edited in around the time of this post. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2393699) That's not something that anyone could confuse as being written 5 years ago.

Adding something completely unrelated to something you wrote 5 years ago a year ago (Among quite a lot of text to boot if we include the image links and all the bloat caused by code tags) isn't the same thing as writing the entire thing a year ago. I know that very well because I used to have more complex signatures in the past and whenever I added something new to it I completely glanced over the old text (Which is why I kinda disagree with what Walruslui said) but all of this is irrelevant crap, you're just spinning the focus to another point here.

My point wasn't to discuss whether he added it 1 year ago or 5, I specifically mention how BS it is that he got permabanned for not remembering something as uneventful as when was the last time he edited his post. Especially when a year ago is still a fuckton of time and you're expecting him to remember something as stupid as the date he added a reference to a buffering method he most likely doesn't even remember when was first posted (I know I don't, it feels like it's been YEARS since it was first talked about when it's like a year old at max) and maybe doesn't even remember that it was part of his sig by now.


I mean, it was in fact just a random user who had ad-blocked images and thus had the message show up, but I guess that's not gonna convince anyone who's talking about "contrived stories". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

A random user who just happened to care about his sig, about the user in particular, about the meaning of the text of that sig, went far enough to figure out that it talked about a staff member or something like that, had the foresight to think that it was anything remotely interesting to the staff team to boot and sent a picture of it to the mods. It's so convoluted I would've named that person a moderator right on the spot just for doing all of that, but I'm not an admin so I can't do something that stupid. This forum is lucky to have admins that edit insults into other peoples' profiles instead of doing stupid shit like that.

The worst part is that I believe it, I don't think you're actually lying there. I was interested in knowing how the fuck does anyone find that message after so many years and if that's the answer I'll take it. Is not like I have a way to know whether it's a lie or not and is not like it ultimately changes anything when it comes to the permaban anyway.

None of us besides JNP knew because, well, JZ was banned, and wasn't making new posts. It's not some weird conspiracy, man! We all agreed to remove that stuff as soon as we were alerted to it!

I'm aware that moderators often take solo action here, and that's the damn problem to begin with. How isn't the mod staff instructed to stay professional and not do this kind of stupid crap is beyond me and if you are instructed to do so yet do this anyway then if anything you as a team should at least reflect on that and do better from here on.

At no point should anyone ever take a decision such as negatively modify a profile this way alone and people expect better from people like you who are in this position since years. If you all are against swapping moderators and admin spots every few years to keep the team level headed and believe the current team to be as solid as it can then the least you can do is not do this shit ever again. Not even "For fun". This is the "Feedback to warnings/decisions" thread right? In case my feedback was too long to read then here's the TL;DR: Get your shit together.

Also, just an FYI, the initial decision to increase the ban length to perma was not discussed with the mod team, so we had to grab everyone and have a big conversation about all this. We discussed the whole lying thing and whether stuff said off the forum has bearing on ban length, but it's still such a blatant, obvious falsehood and skeezy that the original ban was simply not severe enough.

So: the permaban is off the table, but the original ban has been increased from three months to a year. That is all.

Again, why are these decisions taken so lightly and not discussed beforehand to begin with? Why are they announced so gallantly with no thought behind them? I've seen this happen over and over and the staff having to backtrack every now and then I'm surprised that you guys have yet to get the hint. You discuss these things with your team first, you check as many point of views as possible beforehand. This is one of the main problems with the mod team, that you just lack variety in general among the actually active members so almost all of you think the same, and the ones who don't think the same somehow get their shit spun into your point of view anyway like what happened exactly in this thread.

The original ban was more than fine, he broke the rules he pays the price and that's it. But spinning what OG said into "HE LIED TO A STAFF MEMBER, BAN HIM EVEN MORE" is stupid, ridiculous and personal as fuck and you'll be hard pressed to convince most of the people that's not personal at all. He didn't deliberately lie to Orochigill because why the fuck would he do that when it would've changed shit if he told him he edited his sig a year ago instead of five? The ban was going to stay anyway, Orochigill would've thought the same about the event anyway, there was literally no reason to lie about it.

The rest of the staff didn't know I edited the insults to direct back at him. It was all me, I've advocated not doing it for almost 2 decades. If he can't handle someone that has never EVER done anything back to him after he has targeted me for so many years simply redirecting his silly insults back at him then i dunno. It wasn't right for me to do it. But you're also being ridiculous and pedantic. You're defending someone that has lashed out at people for nearly 15 years. Of course some of them may want him gone. TBF if the cycle had been going sooner he'd been perma banned long ago. Dude's been banned so many times for the same BS. You can't just hand wave that he's not an asshole.

Let me be as blunt as I've never been to you in all these years, I sincerely don't give a flying fuck about your history with him and how many times you had to tolerate him saying shit about you and neither I give a fuck about whether you said anything bad about him in all these years or not via forum posts or in private. I'm sure he gives a flying fuck about your opinion on him too, that was never the point of my post.

My point was that you as a moderator abused your position to do exactly the same thing you're punishing somebody for, thus not only being a hypocrite but also terrible moderator in the process. I don't recall anywhere in my last post saying that he wasn't an asshole or that he didn't deserve a ban, I said that the permanent ban was a blatantly personal move and that his profile editing was a very unprofessional move from the mod team in general (I don't care WHO did it, you should move AS A TEAM, that's why you are a MOD TEAM).

You fixed the profile? Good. That's progress, you're excused, no one died and we all move on. Now never do it again. You're part of the mod staff for a reason, if you cannot behave like one then leave. This is my feedback, in the feedback thread, take it or leave it, your choice. I don't have a personal problem with you so you can take my feedback at face value, be it positively or negatively, your choice too.

Title: BOMB 2
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on July 27, 2018, 07:09:58 am
...

All this looks like is an excuse to try to justify that he suddenly deserved a permaban because he edited a sig 1 year ago instead of 5 (Exactly what it was said in the warnings thread, no one ever brought all that shit up and it wasn't relevant to the extension and you know it). Are you telling me that absolutely all of those things you just posted had anything to do with spinning Orochigill's story from telling him a wrong date to an outright deliberate lie even though ultimately none of those things (That go all the way back to 2009) had anything to do with purposely misinterpreting him to begin with?

Furthermore, if he deserved to be permabanned years ago like JNP implies, then you should've done that on the spot back then, not wait five years for him to fuck up with a statement where he wasn't even deliberately lying to begin with. In fact, as a private forum, I would have far more respect towards the staff if you all outright banned him just because you don't like him rather than wait for the "Perfect" excuse. This is a private forum, you have the right to prohibit the admission of anyone you personally don't like, yet you went with this convoluted and stupid plan in order to not to taint the forum's image in the process (Because obviously people wont go to a forum where others are banned just because).

Also since we're going back to freakin 2009 to justify a permaban with petty shit, should we worry about the patterns you established for yourself over the years with tasteless jokes and out of touch and cynic statements? Because it's not everyday that you see a gem like this being posted by a moderator:

(https://i.imgur.com/8SN00Aj.png)

(Even more "Hilarious" when you find out that Billy's actor was bullied for being gay and ended up quitting the show because he couldn't take it anymore)

Yet no one in the staff seems to object your position anyway. That funny part when you can be part of the mod staff and joke about gay people yet can't have hidden messages in your characters because?????????????????????????????? But I digress, and I hope you realize that just because I've done stupid shit in the past (And oh boy can you fill an entire forum's worth with that) doesn't mean I cannot call you out.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Just keep in mind that this wall of text isn't necessarily about Jesuszilla. If you've not even permabanned but just extended his or anyone else's ban over something like this (Right after spinning a fellow moderator's words to fit your narrative) I would be just as disappointed (With the only difference here being that I have some background on the people involved). And you know what's the best part? That this is the feedback to warnings discussion yet you're going to dismiss all the negativity towards this decision because it's clear that the most decisive part of the staff thinks exactly the same about everything and that you're not here to get feedback, you're here to look who's """Defending""" him to have a laugh at them and move on, completely missing the point of the feedback.

Keep his initial ban but remove the extension to prove that it's not a personal issue. Anything more than that proves that the mod is taking things way too personal. Your choice.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on July 27, 2018, 07:16:06 am
it's been reduced to a year.

it was reduced way before you posted this paragraph.

while i think perma isn't neccessary at all i am not opposed to anything that's long either. as long as something is done so other users don't get any funny ideas.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 27, 2018, 07:20:34 am
You're full of shit RedNavi. There's your professionalism
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on July 27, 2018, 07:27:41 am
Keep his initial ban but remove the extension to prove that it's not a personal issue. Anything more than that proves that the mod is taking things way too personal. Your choice.

ah, this feels like 2010 all over again.

we back in the golden age bois
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on July 27, 2018, 08:07:20 am
DivineWolf, all I want to ask is if you've ever had to step in and tell JZ to stop insulting anyone? It tends to not go well. I could show you PMs =p

I'm not a moderator, so I would never really be in a position to do that for anyone. I'm not gonna do it just to do it. I barely pay any attention to anyone. If you ain't talking MUGEN, and even that isn't guaranteed, I'm more than likely to just keep it moving.

You're full of shit RedNavi. There's your professionalism

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on July 27, 2018, 08:24:29 am
daamn. never thought this would spiral into a full on attack on the mods, but yeah red is right (also, how you managed to piss off jnp to that point is beyond me lol).

let me make something clear: i didn't defend JZ. i don't even like him.
i was curious about that japanese text, and i thought that permaban was extremely unfair and silly for anyone. thats why i commented.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on July 27, 2018, 08:36:33 am
rednavi's post is

1: extremely convoluted and brings up comepletely unrelated subjects just to try and make some sorta jumbled arguement including bringing up stuff that involved a bad-in-taste gay joke that had nothing do with jz or the subject of the post whatsoever. he tries to spin it as "if we're banning him for making stupid remarks like that why don't we ban everyone else that does dumb jokes" when he didnt even see that jz wasnt banned for the remarks themselves by default.

2: is pretty silly in itself as it derails completely from why jz was actually banned in favor of trying to spin this narrative that it was essentially a mob thing and that boohoo they're too hard on jz.

3: is even worse considering the last sentence trying to do a whole "either lessen his ban or it shows you're completely unfair and abusive" spin on everyone that agreed to ban him which is again, pretty fucking dumb considering they lessened his ban way before he fucking posted.


it gets even worse considering EVERYTHING was summed up in the last sentence making that whole drunken, jarred and jumbled mess of a paragraph completely pointless.

he's saying this is all petty when he literally logged on after such a long time just to post this shit because im assuming jz asked him to. cant even be bothered to do a decent cohesive post.


anyone who posts like he did and wants to think just like him is a damn child. we're all adults here, stop acting as if it's some dude bullying another guy for the sake of other reasons. i am not past lessening JZ's ban but you're not doing him any favors by thinking this way, it's just showing he hasn't really improved at all when this is the thing that gets posted right after he lies :/

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 27, 2018, 08:40:06 am
I'm not pissed :P

I'm just not going to go into that crazy long winded post in detail. I explained what happened. I can't help that his buddy has burned bridges for one and a half decades.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: rednavi -RETIRED on July 27, 2018, 09:26:18 am
...

Since reading is not your forte here's an abridged version:

* User gets banned.
* User talks about it with a mod somewhere else, in a casual talk (Not even trying to get himself unbanned).
* He commits the sin of forgetting when was the last time he edited his sig <- Something COMPLETELY irrelevant to this as it wasn't going to change anything.
* Somehow, that detail is now grounds for a permanent ban (Which would've stayed that way if it wasn't because of people posting here).
* Around half of the mod team wanted to get rid of him since forever but were waiting for an excuse to not to make it look personal.
* Somehow after 5 years of waiting they still fail at that.

How do you expect anyone to not to even get the slightest impression that this isn't a personal thing is beyond me, especially you with your years here.

he's saying this is all petty when he literally logged on after such a long time just to post this shit because im assuming jz asked him to. cant even be bothered to do a decent cohesive post.

anyone who posts like he did and wants to think just like him is a damn child. we're all adults here, stop acting as if it's some dude bullying another guy for the sake of other reasons. i am not past lessening JZ's ban but you're not doing him any favors by thinking this way, it's just showing he hasn't really improved at all when this is the thing that gets posted right after he lies :/

...Actually don't bother answering that, I can get where you're coming from with this.

Unlike more than half of the staff here, I have my own ideals. He doesn't even know the mess this thread is yet. In fact, he knows that I would never EVER post on behalf of someone else when asked precisely because he understands that I've never been that kind of person (He never EVER asked me to defend him once in almost TEN YEARS) and that I take that shit as an offense (And your admin thinking otherwise was the point where I said "Fuck it" and cut all ties). I wasn't here during the last 10 times he had a crash with the mod staff yet me being here right now is such a big deal?

In fact, you're doing EXACTLY what your admin talked about, tagging anyone who DARES to disagree with his extension as part of the so-called defense force, when I'm doing this entirely on my own and I would've done the same for anyone I remotely knew of for years including you.
So please spare me the edgy shit while you're at it, I thought you were done with that phase a year ago.

If anything, I'm actually MORE annoyed by the fact that the mod team used Orochigill for such end than about the extension itself being BS (Even now after no longer being a permanent one). Dude's a nice guy and he doesn't deserve to go through this shitty event. Is not like the staff makes that much use of dissident opinions anyway, with pretty much the rest of the team always gravitating towards one particular person so I'm not sure why he's still part of it at this point, I would've quit eons ago.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 27, 2018, 09:31:07 am
* Somehow, that detail is now grounds for a permanent ban (Which would've stayed that way if it wasn't because of people posting here).
* Around half of the mod team wanted to get rid of him since forever but were waiting for an excuse to not to make it look personal.
Hey bud, but just a quick head's up: it's usually considered poor form to make grand assumptions about conversations you aren't privy to. You might be surprised to learn that not a single mod, other than the one who switched to the ban to permanent, wanted anything other than a ban that would eventually expire. You might also be surprised to learn that we were having our big, drawn out mod-talk conversation well before any of the uproar in this thread!

My point wasn't to discuss whether he added it 1 year ago or 5, I specifically mention how BS it is that he got permabanned for not remembering something as uneventful as when was the last time he edited his post. Especially when a year ago is still a fuckton of time and you're expecting him to remember something as stupid as the date he added a reference to a buffering method he most likely doesn't even remember when was first posted (I know I don't, it feels like it's been YEARS since it was first talked about when it's like a year old at max) and maybe doesn't even remember that it was part of his sig by now.
Sorry, but I don't think literally anyone on the mod team can believe that someone could confuse "a few months ago" with "five years ago" so easily. It was very obviously an attempt to elide the issue, and is such an absurd deflection that it called into question what we had decided would be the original ban length.

A random user who just happened to care about his sig, about the user in particular, about the meaning of the text of that sig, went far enough to figure out that it talked about a staff member or something like that, had the foresight to think that it was anything remotely interesting to the staff team to boot and sent a picture of it to the mods. It's so convoluted I would've named that person a moderator right on the spot just for doing all of that, but I'm not an admin so I can't do something that stupid. This forum is lucky to have admins that edit insults into other peoples' profiles instead of doing stupid shit like that.
I know you haven't been around lately, so you've probably missed all this very dumb, pointless drama about buffering systems; suffice it to say, it's somewhat well known enough that the user in question was vaguely familiar with it, and thus noticed the part about the buffer. It's really not that inexplicable that, after scrolling past the same sig over and over, that that user might eventually pick up on it.

At no point should anyone ever take a decision such as negatively modify a profile this way alone and people expect better from people like you who are in this position since years. If you all are against swapping moderators and admin spots every few years to keep the team level headed and believe the current team to be as solid as it can then the least you can do is not do this shit ever again. Not even "For fun". This is the "Feedback to warnings/decisions" thread right? In case my feedback was too long to read then here's the TL;DR: Get your shit together.
The party responsible has said they're sorry (which, incidentally, was more than the user who got banned has done :V). I dunno what else you want here, dude.

As mighty and flawless as we mods might appear, in the end we're only human! We can make mistakes, think better of them, and try and apologize for them. This is an unpaid gig for small forum of a dying, 20 year old fighting game engine; it's not exactly high stakes or anything.

Again, why are these decisions taken so lightly and not discussed beforehand to begin with? Why are they announced so gallantly with no thought behind them? I've seen this happen over and over and the staff having to backtrack every now and then I'm surprised that you guys have yet to get the hint. You discuss these things with your team first, you check as many point of views as possible beforehand. This is one of the main problems with the mod team, that you just lack variety in general among the actually active members so almost all of you think the same, and the ones who don't think the same somehow get their shit spun into your point of view anyway like what happened exactly in this thread.
Sometimes a mod might make a rash decision that they think is an obvious choice that everyone will agree with, only to find out that things are more complicated than they thought. This is far from the first time it's happened, and it's honestly not that big of a deal: extending a ban from 3 months to forever and then back to 1 year in the span of a few hours is simply not much of an issue. We've had many a disagreement about ban durations before, and there's like, one time where things turned out to actually be a problem (a user that should've been banned for several months was only given a temporary 3 day ban while the staff figured out how long the "real" length should be, but then the conversation never concluded and the 3 days passed and the user was unbanned).

This, fortunately, was not one of those situations. The ban was set for such a long duration that us switching things back and forth didn't actually impact anything. We had a big round table and argued a bunch and eventually worked it out, with no major problems.

Keep his initial ban but remove the extension to prove that it's not a personal issue. Anything more than that proves that the mod is taking things way too personal. Your choice.
Thanks for the suggestion, but the moderation staff has already made its decision. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Luis Alejandro on July 27, 2018, 10:14:16 am
Free my nigga jz
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on July 27, 2018, 10:35:47 am
Red is full of shit ? What else is new ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on July 27, 2018, 12:52:28 pm
On the contrary, he's kinda right.

As if the original ban was questionable enough, at least that has an argument going for it. The reflex modding looked painfully bad, the calling out of the text/sig change and retracting of the permaban is proof enough. I've spoken to people who barely or don't post here and damn near all of them agreed, varying from 'the mods looked biased' to 'they're out of touch.'

Just saying what I've seen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 27, 2018, 02:51:09 pm
Does his history mean nothing? Am I to always be flawless? Sorry I took the very same insults he said and redirected them :s Sorry that for the 1st time in 15 years I didn’t just roll over and take it. That I didn’t do something to promote him by featuring another release. That this one time I didn’t talk about how much he’s contributed. They were silly when they were first placed there by him and they were silly when turned against.

There was a vote on the ban length. While you may be able to argue bias from me (who voted to not extend the ban), jmm, and iced. You can’t really say Foobs, Zemillia, or Speed are biased. And even if you think jmm, Iced, myself, or whomever is biased... well maybe said person shouldn’t keep doing the same stuff. Shouldn’t keep poking and attacking. For literally years. For longer than many users have been alive. I don’t know what people expect will happen from that?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on July 27, 2018, 07:32:08 pm
His history shouldn't be forgotten, but it looks like several of you have never truly forgiven him/is giving him a fair shot. That past history is the direct cause of the inflated punishment and redirected insults. No, no one is infallible. You apparently reached a boiling point. That can happen over time. Though still, look from the outside in. You have and retracted on what occurred, but I will admit, it's not a good look. Though, I'm not gonna hold it against you. It's in the past and you made a mistake. You acted on emotion/history and it happens.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on July 27, 2018, 07:39:27 pm
That past history is the direct cause of the inflated punishment
No shit past history is the direct cause of inflated punishment. You know that's the entire point of the system where you're not banned outright at the first offense but if you keep doing the same shit over and over then the length of your next ban increases, right ? Literally past history inflating the punishment. It's not one single punishment this one time, it's the sum of everything that happened until now. You're not supposed to look at this one problem that happened today and say the punishment is disproportionate or they didn't forgive him for everything that happened before. There's no question of forgiving, it's specifically an incremental ban duration system based on remembering what happened before. He's not supposed to get a "blank slate fair shot" when he does something bad, gets banned temporarily for it, comes back, and does the same thing again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on July 27, 2018, 07:43:26 pm
You know what I mean man. Are you really trying to deflect the permaban? I know repeat offenses will warrant more drastic punishment. Let me be more direct, since you want to act like I'm generalizing something. Does the sig thing warrant him being permabanned? Obviously not, as it was retracted. C'mon bruh, don't take shit outta context. That's what I mean by inflated. Should he be ban for like 6 months or so? Yes. Though permabanned and mocked profile on top of that? I guess in your eyes, it should be.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on July 27, 2018, 07:44:57 pm
Dude. *You* are taking this out of context. The sig alone doesn't warrant a permaban, obviously, but that's not the context ; the context that you're brushing aside is that he's done that before and was banned for it before and then he was allowed to come back when people defending him said he changed and wouldn't do it again.
The profile mock is irrelevant to anything. It's just bruised egos, it doesn't mean anything and it has no impact on anything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on July 27, 2018, 07:46:55 pm
I'm not taking anything out of context. I don't deny he should be banned. 6 months-a year is justifiable. I don't think I've seen anyone argue that point.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Byakko on July 27, 2018, 07:50:37 pm
If you mean specifically the part where it was a permaban at some point, then retracted to a year, then I'm still saying that it's justified all the same for the same reason. I'm not discussing the ban length. I'm saying it's completely within expectations that he or anyone might end up getting permabanned over the most ridiculous shit if he's been doing it for 15 years over and again and has been banned for it multiple times with increasing duration.

That and the profile defacing thing is a dumb thing to get upset about. It's literally nothing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on July 27, 2018, 07:58:00 pm
I don't deny that any of it is justified. Though still I say it went overboard with said punishment. Which is the point. Orochi even clarified that JZ didn't lie to him and had no reason to, yet that was thrown in to add more fuel to the fire. Also, the profile mocking is relevant. Albeit not the biggest issue, but it was an abuse of power. Like I said, we're all human, and I don't hold it against him. Though Red is right when he say mods/admins and the like are supposed to set a higher standard, and not stoop to level of the users they have to interact with.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 27, 2018, 08:03:23 pm
He had to scroll past what he'd made in the past to add a new insult. If he'd forgotten he was reminded at that point. It'd been better if he said "I was adding this new insult when I saw my 5 year old one that I'd forgotten about LMAO". At most he forgot then didn't care and left it.

Sorry if I had a low point one time where I wanted to rib someone back that's ribbed me for so long. One time in all the year's I've done this and I'm condemned... All the help I've given to so many over the years and this one thing makes me terrible. I mean it won't ever happen again but I really feel it's being blown out of proportion. I don't have a history of such things and would prefer to work with everyone. Even JZ.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on July 27, 2018, 08:31:48 pm
i don't think the backlash is directed at you in particular, what you did was minor. iced kinda missed things up and left you to pay the bill (with all due respect to you iced).
just leave it behind you man.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: JustNoPoint on July 27, 2018, 08:41:12 pm
I don't really see what Iced did either. He banned too high then the staff came in and pulled it back down. It changed nothing. Having different mentalities on staff is to aid each other if one does something a bit too drastic. TBF perma isn't too drastic considering how long this has gone down. As Byakko noted the length is irrelevant. In the end it makes it look like some are upset he said the ban was permanent out loud. It was instantly in the process of getting reworked before he even pulled that trigger. Some were saying keep it 3 months. Some 1 year, Some perma.

EDIT: I should note that JZ was probably twice as hard on Iced over the years than JZ was with me. At one point he was making a lot of maybe real/maybe joking death threats to him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 27, 2018, 09:15:02 pm
I banned too high but the rebalancing was , as said ,justified. Ban lenght always get argued to an agreed position amidst majority.

My patience runs thin on situations where the person keeps doing the same type of activities over and over again, specially on people i hoped wouldve changed behaviour over time.

That past history is the direct cause of the inflated punishment

This is literally how PAST HISTORY works. Byakko already went deep into that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on July 28, 2018, 12:32:36 am
But it was changed to a year because some thought it was excessive. It's already been done, again, before rednavi even started with his terrible post.

Hence why nobody was arguing for that, because it's already been *done*


EDIT: ninja'd twice goddamn rip my posting career
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on July 28, 2018, 10:04:11 am
stop sucking up to the mods lui, they're not gonna make you one of them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Melcore on July 28, 2018, 10:12:22 am
Dude, just don't.
You fight with him way too often.
Just let it go.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Odb718 on July 28, 2018, 11:23:47 am
I think I just read the last 3? pages. Pretty much everyone is in agreement about everything.
I don't ever do the heavy lifting on the mod team. I do voice my opinion when it differs.
Jesuszilla obviously has his ups and downs. Everyone does.
But everyone should take note on this crappy situation. When you get banned you need to focus up a little bit. He's been banned for stupid stuff right? Maybe if you get banned and you edit your signature you should actually read it and make sure it wont get you banned again.
If the team has a personal vendetta against him, why would he be linked in the news feed? <<Rhetorical. don't answer it.

You guys need to realize not every person is active 100% of the day. The small amount of time from when this happened til it exploded is microscopic in my opinion. Even if it took a week to have a final decision that should say something. Latching on to one point doesn't do anyone any favors. -was this like this -did that mean this -who said when; Each thing has it's own weight in the situation. But it's all connected. The entire thing is the picture we have to look at, and that's it. There's a protocol we follow when banning people. There's no board with balloons we throw darts at.

We are a team. We listen to each other and heed the others' advice and comments. And in this crappy situation I think most of us dont want to see him banned, but he fuct up. And regardless if he misspoke or lied is near irrelevant. He fuct up, then fuct up again. So the protocol kinda sorta says increase the ban. That's wtf happened. The long and short of it fit. To squabble over the timeline and this and that is past. It's done at this point. If it changes perspectives on each person, or MFG as a whole, we cant change that fact. Right now, this moment, just look at the giant picture instead of trying to pin point the particular piece of crap that's the worst in this. Jesuszilla got banned. It kinda sucks that such a strong creator could mess up like this. It doesn't matter at what point he did mess up. Because if someone had caught the message earlier it'd be pretty much the same exact outcome. It shouldn't have been there to be caught. Right??? <<Rhetorical. don't answer it.




and @Luis Alejandro: you got a pretty big laugh out of me with that one lol.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on July 28, 2018, 11:28:48 am
stop sucking up to the mods lui, they're not gonna make you one of them.

hiya, don't mention me unless you get over your anger issues please and/or actually know what you're talking about, thanks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jmorphman on July 29, 2018, 01:48:45 am
Why don't you two continue your lovefest in PM's or something; this isn't the place for it.

stop sucking up to the mods lui, they're not gonna make you one of them.
Grow up, dude.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on March 08, 2019, 02:58:01 am
Iced said:
Jessica Smoke has contacted people saying that since theres a picture of a cartoon poop in some old screenshot inside the archive we have to let her post fetish pictures of girls shitting themselves.

This was obviously met with a lot of laughter and we sadly regret to inform we wont be resciding the ban as demanded.
I got her/him on facebook (don't ask why) and even there she was complaining about that issue. When we see from which hosted page there's a poop image like hers, it was a review in DDM abouta very awful character with a poop screenshot (Sailor Pig if I'm not mistaken), then me and the others says to her "that's a review of a horrid char, you can't compare that with your case... unless you want to appear in that reviews"

Saying this, I don't mind if Smoke is permabanned (or its ban is expanded) since it appears it doesn't learn of its mistakes, so if you have to do it, go ahead then
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Eric The Nihilist on March 08, 2019, 03:37:51 am
I got her/him on facebook (don't ask why) and even there she was complaining about that issue. When we see from which hosted page there's a poop image like hers, it was a review in DDM abouta very awful character with a poop screenshot (Sailor Pig if I'm not mistaken), then me and the others says to her "that's a review of a horrid char, you can't compare that with your case... unless you want to appear in that reviews"

Saying this, I don't mind if Smoke is permabanned (or its ban is expanded) since it appears it doesn't learn of its mistakes, so if you have to do it, go ahead then

Can I second this opinion? I don't like being an unwilling participant in someone else's fetish. The fact she doesn't see anything wrong with posting scat porn on a goddamn fighting game forum speaks volumes about her lack of character. She's been warned about this before, and should take that shit somewhere else. Both literally and figuratively.

Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on April 09, 2020, 02:36:02 pm
https://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2473976

very respectable of you ume, but the kid is too young and he needs help that we can't provide.
when i was banned for a lengthy amount of time for being a keyboard warrior, it allowed me to reflect on my actions and get my priorities in check.
maybe a similar time out will help this kid seek the help he needs instead of venting about it to a bunch of strangers that don't really care.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 09, 2020, 10:46:47 pm
I think a year is a good amount of time for him to sort everything out before he is allowed back here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on April 09, 2020, 11:06:09 pm
I would like to be a couple of years instead or at least until he got the majority of age to be allowed to enter in a forum and treat his mental disease with specialists (or at least with close friends who support him), but that's my opinion
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 09, 2020, 11:55:17 pm
Basara sometimes you need to learn when to hold back. Most bans you ask us to do are way more than agreed on or needed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on May 19, 2020, 09:32:48 pm
-Reading the "let me come back or I'll kill myself because I'm right" PM letter to Umezono
-Re-reading my past post about it
-Thinking to myself: "I was right all the time XD"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mushypepito123 on June 25, 2020, 06:05:58 am
Sorry for the bump, but these days. People are making old chars as new releases. And from that recent ban, i’m pretty sure that he/she’s a bot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 25, 2020, 06:57:07 am
No, that's a human user. Just doesn't read posts.

Overall your post is weird and I don't quite understand it though.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mushypepito123 on June 25, 2020, 08:13:01 am
Well, i was talking to myself, did you try to pm him about that?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 25, 2020, 01:10:05 pm
I've posted multiple times and every when a thread of yours is re/moved you get a notification.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: RagingRowen on June 30, 2020, 01:39:08 pm
Since you wanted us to discuss, I'll leave my 2 cents.

The real concurseiro was active 6 weeks ago, which probably means the guy's lost their details or w/e, but then again the guy (splash) should've probably made a post saying that, so I dunno.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 30, 2020, 01:51:16 pm
He really must lose his details a lot then because he made one account, started using it, then came back with another account.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Colonel Sanders on August 19, 2020, 12:49:01 am
Sorry for the bump also I cannot said this but can you delete the old posts that I made and please I need a second chance for it on discord server plz.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on August 19, 2020, 01:33:20 am
Nope and nope
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Colonel Sanders on August 19, 2020, 03:03:36 am
Welp I hate this forum now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on August 19, 2020, 07:45:31 am
bruh my post history would be glided if it was submitted on r\cringe. its okay, nobody gives a shit about what you used to say. what you are now is what matters.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Meldo on August 19, 2020, 09:48:51 am
even then i have to learn my lesson so here we are. (again)

Welp I hate this forum now.

:\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Colonel Sanders on August 19, 2020, 10:45:47 am
bruh my post history would be glided if it was submitted on r\cringe. its okay, nobody gives a shit about what you used to say. what you are now is what matters.

Yeah your right because it don’t matter, none of us matters.

:\

Yeah I know, I fell the same.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 19, 2020, 01:46:50 pm
Stop being ridiculous for once.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: D.R.B on August 19, 2020, 09:40:06 pm
Sorry for the bump also I cannot said this but can you delete the old posts that I made and please I need a second chance for it on discord server plz.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQDtPQ9nNw_T0wWhe4XmKAlFG_N7s2KSQ22zw&usqp=CAU)
nuff said

I ost this caz I have a alot I want to erase myself, I can't, and like Gennos said : what you are now is what matters.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 18, 2022, 12:33:30 am
https://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2523958

Maybe I'm being pedantic but wasn't Uche supposed to stop doing this
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Colonel Sanders on January 18, 2022, 02:07:39 am
https://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2523958

Maybe I'm being pedantic but wasn't Uche supposed to stop doing this

i mean he's joking, right?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Yuko on January 18, 2022, 03:27:21 am
He is just overreacting. Now who I think should stop is this guy:
https://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/egylynx-89713/area.showposts
He literally respond with anything and adds nothing to the thread, and no, language barrier is not an excuse.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Karl/Karla on January 19, 2023, 01:30:13 am
I don't know what to say here except: I have more than learned from my stupid mistakes. If this applies here, I would like to address my ban from the Discord server. Is there any noticeable way to lift or decrease the ban I have there? Also, I'm not sure what the ban length is, as "sometime in 2024" doesn't give me an actual time other than "an exorbitant amount of variable time".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on January 19, 2023, 01:55:40 am
That's good, because that was the intention

As for how to get it rescinded, same as it always was

Be good, stay good, don't get banned from here
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Colonel Sanders on February 10, 2023, 07:08:40 pm
I wish I was unbanned from the discord
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Karl/Karla on February 11, 2023, 03:10:00 am
I wish I was too, but you're gonna have to give them a reason to unban you. Or else, no progress is made.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Colonel Sanders on February 11, 2023, 05:19:32 am
Unban me, cause I learn from my lessons and from my mistakes, I used to be a immature person, but for now I am mature enough to be on this server, so can I have a another chance for it?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Karl/Karla on February 11, 2023, 09:50:53 am
...I meant that figuratively. Words mean nothing without action.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mushypepito123 on February 11, 2023, 10:10:11 am
...I meant that figuratively. Words mean nothing without action.

exactly, to prove you have matured is that you need to start acting that you really are.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on February 11, 2023, 10:48:36 am
don't you guys have any other discord servers you can go to? you get the bonus points of starting a new page and learning from your past mistakes.
there is plenty of gaming related servers with great people to meet.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on February 12, 2023, 01:59:28 am
Unban me, cause I learn from my lessons and from my mistakes, I used to be a immature person, but for now I am mature enough to be on this server, so can I have a another chance for it?

Saying "I am mature now" means nothing. Many people said they turned on a new leaf, then came back with their gimmicks and became annoying again.

Here's an advice: never speak of it again, never request it.
One day, one of the mods will unban you. Until then, don't speak a word about it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Colonel Sanders on February 12, 2023, 11:12:21 pm
Here's an advice: never speak of it again, never request it.
One day, one of the mods will unban you. Until then, don't speak a word about it.

thanks for a good advice.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: │ㄷ ▌ on February 15, 2023, 07:12:39 am
thanks for a good advice.

Here's another advice: Act like a human person and don't say your sources are "trust me bro, I'm mature".

Just a little digging on your Twitter, for anyone of us to see:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/698377689735757904/1075294995361312798/GreatFunk-TerminalMontage.png)

https://twitter.com/great_funk/status/1623037091524317205

I think that's beyond acting as a Mature Person, that's more like a Sad Old Geezer attitude.

I'm a freelancer myself and I'm doing ok.


BUT...

Some context for this tweet would be "Good":

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/698377689735757904/1075295024658513920/GreatFunk-Perfectly_Cut_Youtube.png)

https://twitter.com/great_funk/status/1623041440304533532

How is that "Good"?

The tweet just explained that 2 guys died in an accident and one is in critical condition. Is this an obscure meme in the Internet nowadays?

"R.I.P. LOL (Lots of Love)"?

Here is the original tweet:

https://twitter.com/PerfectCutPoop/status/1620145021487030272

I didn't know any of the guys but James, Schaffrillas, the survivor, got lots of condolences and support on their videos. Again, is that "Good" of yours a sick joke? It doesn't look like a supportive message towards James for surviving.

Here in the comment section are good examples of supportive messages:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0F_SPbAn6E

Ask yourself:
-Are you really Mature?
-Should you even be on Discord, let alone on any forum?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: lui on February 15, 2023, 08:05:09 am
Considering I am a big fan of said channel in question, if you showed up at the Discord and said shit like this, it wouldn't end well.

You don't deserve to be part of the discord. Anyone who mocks death like this needlessly for a harmless channel isn't competent enough to interact with people like a normal person.

You aren't mature and you haven't changed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Karl/Karla on February 15, 2023, 11:25:53 am
thanks for a good advice.
BUT...

Some context for this tweet would be "Good":

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/698377689735757904/1075295024658513920/GreatFunk-Perfectly_Cut_Youtube.png)

https://twitter.com/great_funk/status/1623041440304533532

How is that "Good"?

The tweet just explained that 2 guys died in an accident and one is in critical condition. Is this an obscure meme in the Internet nowadays?

"R.I.P. LOL (Lots of Love)"?

Here is the original tweet:

https://twitter.com/PerfectCutPoop/status/1620145021487030272

I didn't know any of the guys but James, Schaffrillas, the survivor, got lots of condolences and support on their videos. Again, is that "Good" of yours a sick joke? It doesn't look like a supportive message towards James for surviving.

Here in the comment section are good examples of supportive messages:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0F_SPbAn6E

Ask yourself:
-Are you really Mature?
-Should you even be on Discord, let alone on any forum?

GreatFunk, that's disgusting. Oh my god. I'm not a fan of them either but good god, man! This dude lost his best friend and brother in a tragic car accident. How dare you say that is "good". It isn't even funny, if it was a joke. That is deplorable, dude. Making disrespectful comments like that like no one can see you is a sign that you are not a pleasant person.

Take it from someone who had to have a rude awakening more than once: Disgusting behavior OR comments like that are not welcome in this community and if you keep up this facade that you don't know why you're still banned; You will never be unbanned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Colonel Sanders on February 15, 2023, 05:34:47 pm
Ask yourself:
-Are you really Mature?
-Should you even be on Discord, let alone on any forum?

1. Not really
2. Like lui said:
"if you showed up at the Discord and said shit like this, it wouldn't end well."
So yeah, it's better that I want to improvr my emotions and mine feelings, and I still acted like a immature person, *sighs* I guess I have to stop being immature and move on, right?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on February 15, 2023, 06:34:55 pm
but for now I am mature enough to be on this server
Ask yourself:
-Are you really Mature?
1. Not really
Your "mature" act only lasted 4 days Mr null man :pfht: :pfht:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Colonel Sanders on February 15, 2023, 07:52:38 pm
I am mature, but not a definitive way.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: AlexSin on February 15, 2023, 07:53:04 pm
So yeah, it's better that I want to improvr my emotions and mine feelings, and I still acted like a immature person, *sighs* I guess I have to stop being immature and move on, right?
Here we go again.

Two years ago, same stuff: https://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2486899
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Three years ago: same stuff: https://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2449576
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honestly?
You don't deserve a chance in getting back to the discord.

I am mature, but not a definitive way.
The icing on the cake.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: │ㄷ ▌ on February 15, 2023, 09:46:01 pm
I am mature, but not a definitive way.

You should try this then

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Define "Definitive" and what are the steps to achieve Definitive Maturity.

Why did I have to call you out, now by name, for you to even show a bit of regret?

Nice work changing your nickname, removing your images and taking down the tweets but I will not remove the screenshots, these are here forever.

A racist, disrespectful, edgy Brat. You have not learnt nothing in the last 3 years and probably never will.

I wonder how do you act not hiding behind a computer screen.

Deplorable.

Mod Edit: No matter what, there are limits.

User edit: Understandable, for the record, the info was in the now removed links.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Gennos on February 16, 2023, 07:31:13 am
My boi the null man is too dangerous for us. He will nullify your trap cards, don't you dare play a mirror force against him. That shit wont work!
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51PToylD6lL._AC_.jpg)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Karl/Karla on March 21, 2023, 12:44:46 am
I believe I am ready to come back to the Discord server. I genuinely promise not to cause any trouble there as long as I'm in my right mind. Which should be any time I'm on the server. And if this statement comes to bite me in the ass later, I will take accountability for it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Lapis on March 21, 2023, 02:29:19 pm
Saying "I am mature now" means nothing. Many people said they turned on a new leaf, then came back with their gimmicks and became annoying again.

Here's an advice: never speak of it again, never request it.
One day, one of the mods will unban you. Until then, don't speak a word about it.
Words already said here by him and some others are more than enough than anything I can say. Demonstrate with your acts you really change and you will be unbanned in a future without asking it