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Title: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on October 22, 2017, 03:12:39 am
Something like father and dawther, at the style of Takuma and Yuri
but with other kind of moves
 

a attempt to learn a way to do a full char in XII/XIII style based on SNK PLAYMORE method

1- Work on a blender scene with the light configuration for the project
2- Render the model with the defalt pal
3- aply the "pal1" him first palete and base
4- rework with pixel art, fixing and changing pixels and lines to fit the style


Atual Process:

step1= idea of animations
(https://s8.postimg.org/h0zqpyb11/walk_fwd.gif)
step2= Render the model on the pose
(https://s17.postimg.org/bhex70qrz/0.5.png)
step3= manual work
(https://s17.postimg.org/c6xpjdz1b/image.png)
step4 = manual fixing minor issues
(https://s1.postimg.org/9sasiktp67/STAND3.gif)






ps: if you going to sugest moves, do like xiao xiao sketchs
like i do
step 1 the xiao xiao sketch
(https://s28.postimg.org/bb3j4a2yl/base_upper.gif)
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII BOXER CHARACTER (Developing the model)
Post by: Mastertkof on October 24, 2017, 07:48:38 pm
Changes in the model
(https://s1.postimg.org/7xunwvrx6n/PAL1.png)
New Concept
(https://s1.postimg.org/6yekjpoyb3/CONCEPT.png)
New size
(https://s1.postimg.org/5yyh6jn20f/REF.png)
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII BOXER CHARACTER (Developing the model)
Post by: E.M.3 on October 24, 2017, 09:08:37 pm
Your project looks very promising. :D
Good luck!
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII BOXER CHARACTER (Developing the model)
Post by: Mastertkof on October 25, 2017, 01:11:50 am
Your project looks very promising. :D
Good luck!
thanks bro

a taunt test (something i made to test the shadows of the hands on the legas and body)
(https://s1.postimg.org/52kidsdpgf/TAUNT.gif)
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII BOXER CHARACTER (Developing the model)
Post by: Helios. on October 25, 2017, 01:29:21 am
These renders will need a lot of cleaning to look like passable KOFXII sprites.

From the top of my head you're dealing with too many stray pixels due to topology issues, your shadows aren't ray-traced (a massively important part of the XII look), and the shadows/ineffectual palette make your colours bleed into palette entries of the wrong shades.

I can't help you much in regards to topology versus stylized end-products, so you have to find the closest 3D match to whatever 2D style you'd like to reduce the amount of editing you have to do.

To help with the last two entries maybe switch to ray-traced shadows and/or make the palette you use to catch your colours three-fold.  The first pass is a larger palette that ensures no colour bleeding happens, second pass is running that through a program with the reduced colours placed properly in an identically sized palette to sort things, then third is loading those sprites through the final palette.  Do your edits after the final pass.
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII BOXER CHARACTER (Developing the model)
Post by: Graphicus on October 25, 2017, 04:11:04 am
Actually, the main thing is that you're letting the 3D software pick out the midtones.

If you look at SNK's 3D models, you'll see they're flat shaded with really hard outlines. There's only one color for lit areas and only one color for areas in shadow. See below:

(http://i.imgur.com/elQLoCf.gif)

The midtones as well as the adjustment to the outlines are all done manually by an artist. You're going to have a hard time matching that automatically because the software will go for realism and what you really want is to go for aesthetics, which is tough to teach the software to do.

I like your model, but I would probably give him even a bit MORE muscle. He's a boxer after all, so his arms and torso should be bigger than those of Ryo (perhaps something in between Ryo and Ralf?). Another thing you need to work on is your posing. The movements are stiff and a bit robotic. You have to consider things like windup, follow-through, inertia, etc...

I promise this is all constructive stuff. Your work is very promising!
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII BOXER CHARACTER (Developing the model)
Post by: Helios. on October 25, 2017, 01:43:50 pm
We're both right on this, to be fair.  SNK did go 2-tone, yes, but we have more control over midtones now since those games were made.

If you're rendering midtones you have either a lot more (or a lot less) editing based on how you went about setting up your material/smoothing groups to force the renderer to draw lines for certain details.  That and change your lights to render ray-traced shadows to lose the blurry drop shadow edges.

There's no true shortcut for any of this if you're going to be dropping big names like KOFXII as your inspiration, sadly.
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII BOXER CHARACTER (Developing the model)
Post by: Mastertkof on October 25, 2017, 03:02:26 pm
These renders will need a lot of cleaning to look like passable KOFXII sprites.

From the top of my head you're dealing with too many stray pixels due to topology issues, your shadows aren't ray-traced (a massively important part of the XII look), and the shadows/ineffectual palette make your colours bleed into palette entries of the wrong shades.

I can't help you much in regards to topology versus stylized end-products, so you have to find the closest 3D match to whatever 2D style you'd like to reduce the amount of editing you have to do.

To help with the last two entries maybe switch to ray-traced shadows and/or make the palette you use to catch your colours three-fold.  The first pass is a larger palette that ensures no colour bleeding happens, second pass is running that through a program with the reduced colours placed properly in an identically sized palette to sort things, then third is loading those sprites through the final palette.  Do your edits after the final pass.

Thanks by the feedback and, agreed! i will test the shadows with raytraced method, about the char and animations, this is not finished, so, i can change alot of things or, everything, idk.

Actually, the main thing is that you're letting the 3D software pick out the midtones.

If you look at SNK's 3D models, you'll see they're flat shaded with really hard outlines. There's only one color for lit areas and only one color for areas in shadow. See below:

(http://i.imgur.com/elQLoCf.gif)

The midtones as well as the adjustment to the outlines are all done manually by an artist. You're going to have a hard time matching that automatically because the software will go for realism and what you really want is to go for aesthetics, which is tough to teach the software to do.

I like your model, but I would probably give him even a bit MORE muscle. He's a boxer after all, so his arms and torso should be bigger than those of Ryo (perhaps something in between Ryo and Ralf?). Another thing you need to work on is your posing. The movements are stiff and a bit robotic. You have to consider things like windup, follow-through, inertia, etc...

I promise this is all constructive stuff. Your work is very promising!

Thanks! and agreed about the model muscles,  about the snk classic method, we have alot of good shaders now, and i'll try to configure someone to gimme more than 3 colors, but if it keep going on wrong, i can try to remake all in the same old style. about posing and animations, this is not the focus now, i will finishh first the model, and the concepts. anyway thank you very much!


We're both right on this, to be fair.  SNK did go 2-tone, yes, but we have more control over midtones now since those games were made.

If you're rendering midtones you have either a lot more (or a lot less) editing based on how you went about setting up your material/smoothing groups to force the renderer to draw lines for certain details.  That and change your lights to render ray-traced shadows to lose the blurry drop shadow edges.

There's no true shortcut for any of this if you're going to be dropping big names like KOFXII as your inspiration, sadly.

this will really have alot of sprite editing, something like 30~80% of each sprite, so, we can try to do the scene, so close as possible of the XII, XIII original sprites, i can handly with one or two sprites, but, this is a char, no way to do all from sketch, without lose the body proportions and shadings areas, the 3d model is really necessary, and i will try to make it so usefull as possible, i will edit the model and lights, and post it here back for more feedback before think about posing or animations.



new tests
(https://s1.postimg.org/1fm937qunj/image.png)
(https://s1.postimg.org/6vzt6c0qvj/REF2.png)





Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII BOXER CHARACTER (Developing the model)
Post by: Helios. on October 25, 2017, 11:52:26 pm
Ah, I see.  So you're going for a realistic material/shader and just breaking up the tones of each colour using a palette.

You start with something like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/QAt09Cg.png)
Then apply your palette(s) and clean it up.

Using 3 blended non-photorealistic materials in Max I can start with:
(https://i.imgur.com/8jYuRYN.png)
And have to do far less editing.

I'm not sure about the limitations of Blender (if any), but maybe do some research on non-photorealistic materials/shaders to save yourself a headache.
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII BOXER CHARACTER (Developing the model)
Post by: Mastertkof on October 26, 2017, 12:31:40 am
I understand your point, and i've use it on some tests, but i'm searching for a configuration like guilty gear xrd now


this method (older test)
works fine on stand and alot of moves, but is not cool for rotating or horizontal kicks frames
pure render (no edits)
(https://s1.postimg.org/8zgx2cdqvj/KOF_XII_BOXER_GIRL_0-0.png)starting to fixing lines and shades(https://s1.postimg.org/1i2lvv0fvz/KOF_XII_BOXER_GIRL_0-1.png)with some changes in pal(https://s1.postimg.org/6bfzbn6jhr/PAL.png)


maybe soon i post my new changes (still working in the scene and models, lights, and alot of minor details)
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII BOXER CHARACTER (Developing the model)
Post by: AlexSin on October 26, 2017, 12:48:48 am
I understand your point, and i've use it on some tests, but i'm searching for a configuration like guilty gear xrd now

Make up your mind, first it was Blazblue, then KOFXIII and now Guilty Gear Xrd; which is it? They're all completely different from each other in terms of shading and proportions.
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII BOXER CHARACTER (Developing the model)
Post by: Mastertkof on October 26, 2017, 12:56:20 am
I understand your point, and i've use it on some tests, but i'm searching for a configuration like guilty gear xrd now

Make up your mind, first it was Blazblue, then KOFXIII and now Guilty Gear Xrd; which is it? They're all completely different from each other in terms of shading and proportions.
i'm talking about shader configuration (outline color, in draw color, oclusion, difuse and specular) no about rendering in the same atyle at all, just trying to mimic the tool, not the style
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII BOXER CHARACTER (Developing the model)
Post by: Helios. on October 26, 2017, 03:35:10 am
If you're working in Blender you can't do something they did in a totally different engine.  The two environments aren't alike at all.  The method you're using now requires that you pick a style, get it as close to the source of said style as possible (if not completely original), and do something.
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII BOXER CHARACTER (Developing the model)
Post by: Mastertkof on October 26, 2017, 07:44:00 pm
If you're working in Blender you can't do something they did in a totally different engine.  The two environments aren't alike at all.  The method you're using now requires that you pick a style, get it as close to the source of said style as possible (if not completely original), and do something.

is almost the same tools, but the environments really change alot, but i no need to use blender, maybe 3ds or any other
i will do more tests before start the 2d part of project, at now... i'm on this

Concept:
(https://s1.postimg.org/12mkrr9xm7/CONCEPT.png)

3D Base:
(https://s1.postimg.org/8k0vy8o3gv/showcase_test.gif)

Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII BOXER CHARACTER (Developing the model)
Post by: Mastertkof on October 27, 2017, 06:54:57 pm
girl poser finished
(https://s1.postimg.org/7yrrmjjekv/SHOWCASE.gif)
 

back to man poser now.
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII BOXER CHARACTER (Developing the model)
Post by: Mastertkof on October 27, 2017, 11:55:20 pm
Boxer man model and scene finished

i'm actually pretty happy with this result, is this that i have in mind, and is this that i will use.
it gimme:
proportions, anatomy, shadow, highlight, midtones...

some showcase:
the stand posed render 1
(https://s1.postimg.org/64a2kapllb/demo_0-0.png)
in other pose to check the size of model
(https://s1.postimg.org/8ofwwxprxb/demo_0-1.png)
trying some dynamic move to test shadows
(https://s1.postimg.org/1ornf1dmsv/demo_0-2.png)

a new comparison:
in left and in right of Robert, is the same model, with the same camera, changing only the position of the model
(https://s1.postimg.org/9kcecdzvsv/REF.png)

the "3d" work is almost finished
now is pose bones, render, and manual finish sprite by sprite (the char will have something like 500~800 sprites)
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII BOXER CHARACTER (Developing the model)
Post by: Mastertkof on October 28, 2017, 02:56:32 am
first move (or no)
just a first test with stand

(https://s1.postimg.org/8eiqhiczen/STAND.gif)
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII Boxer Char (ANIMATIONS NOW) Need moves sugestions!!!
Post by: Mastertkof on October 28, 2017, 04:14:11 pm
Boxer Man concept finished (it really need a name) :shocked3:
first post actualized
(https://s1.postimg.org/7l1sygg3m7/image.png)
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII Boxer Char (ANIMATIONS NOW) Need moves sugestions!!!
Post by: AlexSin on October 28, 2017, 05:07:30 pm
(https://s1.postimg.org/8eiqhiczen/STAND.gif)

The feet should stand on the ground, not move like that.
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII Boxer Char (ANIMATIONS NOW) Need moves sugestions!!!
Post by: Mastertkof on October 29, 2017, 10:26:39 pm
some more retouches and fixes
and we will have a stand
(https://s1.postimg.org/1uzdi9qacv/STAND2.gif)
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII Boxer Char (ANIMATIONS NOW) Need moves sugestions!!!
Post by: Helios. on October 30, 2017, 01:41:57 am
Feet still moving around too much.  Remember IK when animating as it can force your feet to remain stationary during animation.  Maybe research animation in general.
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII Boxer Char (ANIMATIONS NOW) Need moves sugestions!!!
Post by: Mastertkof on October 30, 2017, 04:03:07 pm
Feet still moving around too much.  Remember IK when animating as it can force your feet to remain stationary during animation.  Maybe research animation in general.
i'm really letting some edits for the 2d part of work, this is not 100% intentional, but will work (i think)
(https://s1.postimg.org/9sasiktp67/STAND3.gif)



Edit (not so "new" for do other post)
editing the model to get more inlines
(https://s1.postimg.org/42cxzleaqn/new_model.png)
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII Boxer Char (ANIMATIONS NOW) Need moves sugestions!!!
Post by: Mastertkof on November 02, 2017, 10:35:11 pm
updating model

(https://s1.postimg.org/33xs5jjw8f/image.png)
(https://s1.postimg.org/8168zdx8lr/image.png)
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII Boxer Char (ANIMATIONS NOW) Need moves sugestions!!!
Post by: Mastertkof on November 07, 2017, 10:52:42 pm
after some days working on the shader, i made my choice, this char will be female

cause is pretty more easy to draw a arm like Yuri than all the muscles of Ryo or Terry
(but i will save the bone positions)

this is the actual stage of the shader
(https://s1.postimg.org/3f43ghgnq7/alphasprite.png)
i think the shader is almost on her maximum, i explore all the options, adjusts, shadow types, and all the scripts and i no think this will get more better than this, only more adjusts on some colors and i will start to studing her animations
and this is the firsts adjusts to make a concept
(https://s1.postimg.org/2qatwgtzkv/sprite.png)


actualized
this one below is pure blender render without manual edits
(https://s1.postimg.org/2m33plz85b/image.png)
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII Boxer Char (ANIMATIONS NOW) Need moves sugestions!!!
Post by: Mastertkof on November 08, 2017, 11:16:45 pm
method for alpha sprites finished
(https://s1.postimg.org/8f8ksyl91b/image.gif)
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII Boxer Char (ANIMATIONS NOW) Need moves sugestions!!!
Post by: Revanto on November 09, 2017, 05:01:56 am
If you really, really want to make a good character then go onto Youtube and watching videos about boxers. Read up on them and study how they move.

Oh, and did you know that boxers have different styles?
https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Boxing_styles_and_technique.html

This might help you bet a better idea of moves and how your boxer could fight.

Good luck.

Cheers,
Revanto  ;P
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII Boxer Char (ANIMATIONS NOW) Need moves sugestions!!!
Post by: Mastertkof on November 11, 2017, 02:15:11 am
If you really, really want to make a good character then go onto Youtube and watching videos about boxers. Read up on them and study how they move.

Oh, and did you know that boxers have different styles?
https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Boxing_styles_and_technique.html

This might help you bet a better idea of moves and how your boxer could fight.

Good luck.

Cheers,
Revanto  ;P

thanks bro! i really not think on it yet, but agree with you, i will do some tests before a choice
boxer man style of production actualized:
at here only "shaders and tricks"
(https://s17.postimg.org/bhex70qrz/0.5.png)
and there my manual finish
(https://s17.postimg.org/c6xpjdz1b/image.png)
still no is what i really wanted, but, is going on
Title: Re: KOF XII/XIII Boxer Char (ANIMATIONS NOW) Need moves sugestions!!!
Post by: Mastertkof on November 11, 2017, 05:24:28 pm
2D -> 3D ->2D

Stanting to learn walk!

all animations will use 2d techniques to simulate an full manually done sprite
this is the first steps for animations, the 2D idea (key frames)
(https://s8.postimg.org/h0zqpyb11/walk_fwd.gif)
(https://s8.postimg.org/unnffbe6d/walk.gif)
(https://s8.postimg.org/c2c8bezid/walk_back.gif)

after this step i will go to 3d software and pose and add more frames to be more smooth

than, 2d software again to retouch and finish sprite by sprite!


feedback about the animations will be very apreciated, and if you going to suggest a move, do like those animations, don't need to be beutiful on the this step, just need to work fine and be smooth
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Graphicus on November 12, 2017, 03:05:09 am
She's raising her knee a bit too much. Also, when we walk, we usually raise our heel first, then as we move our leg forward, we lower our heel and raise our toes, then step down heel first, then toes right after.

In your version, her feet are mostly flat throughout the entire motion and the left leg seems to be stepping down toes first.

I know it seems like nitpicking, but all those things are things that even if you don't notice directly, they leave you with this sense of "I can't put my finger on it, but something doesn't seem right".
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on November 12, 2017, 11:39:43 pm
She's raising her knee a bit too much. Also, when we walk, we usually raise our heel first, then as we move our leg forward, we lower our heel and raise our toes, then step down heel first, then toes right after.

In your version, her feet are mostly flat throughout the entire motion and the left leg seems to be stepping down toes first.

I know it seems like nitpicking, but all those things are things that even if you don't notice directly, they leave you with this sense of "I can't put my finger on it, but something doesn't seem right".

thanks dude!
i really like your points
new walk wip:
(https://s1.postimg.org/6xt9ygruy7/test2.gif)
some changes
(https://s17.postimg.org/ynsvqnp2n/walk_final.gif)


Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on November 13, 2017, 06:44:22 pm
walk back wip
(https://s17.postimg.org/50d27vzwf/walkback.gif)
(https://s17.postimg.org/5av54ed3z/walkback.gif)
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on November 16, 2017, 01:58:10 am
Maxy changes on the model and on the finish method
render without manual edit:
(https://s18.postimg.org/db7x2kc3t/image.png)
manual finish:(https://s18.postimg.org/wt2kiigrd/dasdas.png)
first try to jab, still need 2d work and more frames, just testing a new way animate bones
(https://s18.postimg.org/kr76odf8p/JAB.gif)
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on November 18, 2017, 12:32:15 am
(https://s7.postimg.org/g9qioc8rf/WALK_BACK.gif)
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Momotaro on November 18, 2017, 05:37:23 pm
the last walks are far better.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on November 19, 2017, 12:50:59 am
the last walks are far better.
thanks bro!
finishing the last details on model
at now changed the hair, to give her more light on face
after this, just finish the skirt to seems like athena's skirt (line between pleats)
(https://s17.postimg.org/6htifgrwf/new_hair.gif)
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on November 21, 2017, 12:13:44 am
final model for Maxy
(https://s17.postimg.org/x1sj0zirj/image.png)
Showcase
(https://s17.postimg.org/plt9f6ncf/image.gif)
ps: shirt will be closed in game, and skirt will be adjusted to never show panties (like athena to keep the style)
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: lui on November 21, 2017, 12:34:23 am
i think you're focusing too much on the "kof conversion" process gimmick and not enough on actually animating fluidly. the actual devs didnt start off with the shading, they started with animating the models well with rough shading and then they clean up and then add it in afterwards.

focusing more on the other things than actually animating well enough will only slow you down and hinder your progress much more down the road
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on November 22, 2017, 11:58:37 pm
i think you're focusing too much on the "kof conversion" process gimmick and not enough on actually animating fluidly. the actual devs didnt start off with the shading, they started with animating the models well with rough shading and then they clean up and then add it in afterwards.

focusing more on the other things than actually animating well enough will only slow you down and hinder your progress much more down the road

we need to explore tools at the maximum, i will do manual edit on every single sprite, but had a good model and shader really helps
restart stand
3d work
(https://s2.postimg.org/h005jbkfd/aasdsad.gif)
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on December 01, 2017, 10:40:01 pm
close light punch
(https://s7.postimg.org/hobnasyiz/cross_punch.gif)
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Graphicus on December 02, 2017, 03:55:25 am
You're getting the inertia of the skirt wrong. As the body moves forward, the skirt will try to remain in its original position. This means that the skirt should be moving backwards in relation to the body, not forwards. (maybe once gravity kicks in and the skirt catches up with the rest of the body, it can overshoot and flap forward a bit).

Right now it looks like there's a puff of air coming out of her you-know-what (sorry for being crude).

I would also recommend giving her at list a tiny bit of windup before throwing her punch. It lacks impact otherwise. She should raise her hand slightly in front of her face and THEN throw her punch. Otherwise it looks like she's pushing something, not punching something. If you don't want to give it windup, at least have her twist her body a bit as well as twist her punching arm.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Nexus Games on December 02, 2017, 04:11:23 am
it would be cool if you look at bi bang beat Burai yamamoto, rick strowd, Franco bash, little mac, balrog, tj combo, Vanessa, Heavy D, Dudley as references for certain animations
to get that boxer feel for the characters

interesting project
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on December 17, 2017, 06:36:20 pm
You're getting the inertia of the skirt wrong. As the body moves forward, the skirt will try to remain in its original position. This means that the skirt should be moving backwards in relation to the body, not forwards. (maybe once gravity kicks in and the skirt catches up with the rest of the body, it can overshoot and flap forward a bit).

Right now it looks like there's a puff of air coming out of her you-know-what (sorry for being crude).

I would also recommend giving her at list a tiny bit of windup before throwing her punch. It lacks impact otherwise. She should raise her hand slightly in front of her face and THEN throw her punch. Otherwise it looks like she's pushing something, not punching something. If you don't want to give it windup, at least have her twist her body a bit as well as twist her punching arm.
i will check some of that points, thank you!


it would be cool if you look at bi bang beat Burai yamamoto, rick strowd, Franco bash, little mac, balrog, tj combo, Vanessa, Heavy D, Dudley as references for certain animations
to get that boxer feel for the characters

interesting project

sure she wil receive alot of "inspired" moves, but something like Dudley and Vanessa, maybe other chars too

Walk Back Beta
(https://s33.postimg.org/tey2krx5b/walk_back.gif)

Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on December 18, 2017, 09:29:21 pm
rolling punch (hadou command)
(in game speed)
(https://s33.postimg.org/q1m5nlesf/roll_punch_in_game.gif)
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Helios. on December 19, 2017, 03:01:21 am
Right now it doesn't look like the punch has enough momentum behind it to make her spin.  Make the wind-up to the actual punch more exaggerated.  Some other minor/major issues include odd foot placement in every animation, her hair moving backwards in her walking back animation, and so on.

Skirt animation starting to look better.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Graphicus on December 19, 2017, 03:03:07 am
(https://s33.postimg.org/tey2krx5b/walk_back.gif)

Make her torso lean back, not forward. She's moving backwards so her weight should be backwards too.

(https://s33.postimg.org/q1m5nlesf/roll_punch_in_game.gif)

There's not enough wind up and her feet are all over the place. The alignment for that animation is going to be a nightmare. (Helios beat me to it)
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on December 20, 2017, 12:09:41 am
Right now it doesn't look like the punch has enough momentum behind it to make her spin.  Make the wind-up to the actual punch more exaggerated.  Some other minor/major issues include odd foot placement in every animation, her hair moving backwards in her walking back animation, and so on.

Skirt animation starting to look better.

i will check about the hair in walk, i really agree with this, thanks...
about the move, this is like Ken's 3rd strike overhead, is a move with "walk" and planed to go foward after the punch, about impact, this will seems better in game (speed and align)
(https://s33.postimg.org/tey2krx5b/walk_back.gif)

Make her torso lean back, not forward. She's moving backwards so her weight should be backwards too.

(https://s33.postimg.org/q1m5nlesf/roll_punch_in_game.gif)



There's not enough wind up and her feet are all over the place. The alignment for that animation is going to be a nightmare. (Helios beat me to it)
the walk is based on her stand, and she really keep the head foward and down
i don't align it yet, just testing to see the efect of move, about wind up i will check it later and maybe add some more frames




ground punch
(https://s13.postimg.org/h0z3kbdjr/ground_punch.gif)
template
(https://s13.postimg.org/s0kaw2ol3/pal_template.png)
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on December 20, 2017, 11:04:06 pm
Upper Punch
(https://s13.postimg.org/5tde9xvo7/upper2.gif)
Sakura Kusanago (Street Fighter) Pal
(https://s13.postimg.org/mh4wcfipz/sakura.png)
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on December 21, 2017, 06:42:24 pm
stand beta
(https://s13.postimg.org/l40ox6w5z/STAND.gif)
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Graphicus on December 21, 2017, 07:18:12 pm
Here's the same sprite without the feet movement:

(https://i.imgur.com/OjDknuG.gif)
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on December 23, 2017, 12:53:05 am
Here's the same sprite without the feet movement:

(https://i.imgur.com/OjDknuG.gif)

seems cool
i will do it later with the same idea

Nanatsu no Taizai Elizabeth Pal
(https://s9.postimg.org/v13cf67dr/paleli.gif)

Walk Foward beta
(https://s9.postimg.org/9eoby5gj3/walk_fwd.gif)

rolling punch withou realign
(https://s9.postimg.org/8p5jlsvf3/roll_punch.gif)
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Helios. on December 23, 2017, 11:47:19 am
The rolling punch still has like, zero momentum behind it.  There just isn't enough wind-up to cause her to spin around like that.  Seems it may also benefit from a frame or two at the end to make the transition back to her standing state smoother.  So I guess some modification on both ends of the animation would help.

There are a couple of odd things about her walking animation too, but the most notable is her stiff front-facing ankle.  Look up some walk cycles online or even in fighting games (JJBA/VSAV/SF3 are fantastic references for all things walking related) to get a better flow going.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on December 23, 2017, 08:00:39 pm
The rolling punch still has like, zero momentum behind it.  There just isn't enough wind-up to cause her to spin around like that.  Seems it may also benefit from a frame or two at the end to make the transition back to her standing state smoother.  So I guess some modification on both ends of the animation would help.

There are a couple of odd things about her walking animation too, but the most notable is her stiff front-facing ankle.  Look up some walk cycles online or even in fighting games (JJBA/VSAV/SF3 are fantastic references for all things walking related) to get a better flow going.

i'm thinking in change the style of develop.
at now i'm doing "beta char" only doing the renders and doing the automatic convert
and leting the 3rd step (pixel art) to the end, but i think, maybe better going to finish move by move

Reika Kitami Pal
(https://s9.postimg.org/o7gh5grf3/palreika.gif)
Jab updated
(https://s9.postimg.org/ul5k8polb/JAB.gif)
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: inktrebuchet on December 23, 2017, 10:56:15 pm
Your sprites are looking better and better.

The skirt in that jab moves in a unnatural way. It would not blow forward at all; it would blow back and them come back to a resting position.

Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on December 24, 2017, 12:34:28 am
Your sprites are looking better and better.

The skirt in that jab moves in a unnatural way. It would not blow forward at all; it would blow back and them come back to a resting position.

Keep up the good work!

Thanks bro! (only the first sprite"stand" have manual edit, all the others is only "renders" with some tricks)

about the skirt: i'm saving the bones on folders with each single frame, so i can edit later move by move, or just como sprites

rapid punchs
(https://s9.postimg.org/xaelnbckv/abc.gif)


Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on December 24, 2017, 09:00:08 pm
Ami Mizuno (Sailor Mercury) PAL
(https://s9.postimg.org/aceyvlzcv/AMI_MIZUNO_PAL.gif)
Run Beta
(https://s9.postimg.org/k9pzoome7/RUN.gif)
Based on
(https://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters2/larie.gif)
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: sethzel on December 24, 2017, 10:13:57 pm
i think the leg are to long
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on December 25, 2017, 12:34:23 am
i think the leg are to long
i agree with you but this is an effect of the position more erect, on this method is impossible to "broke" anatomy, cause is a render of a 3D model with limits on joints of bones, this is not a stretch like Dhalsin, is only the angle and the pose
all those "sprites" is just renders with some tricks (after finish all the moves i will need to polish one by one in pixel art)
(https://s9.postimg.org/hf4xbnurz/tela.jpg)

Vanessa pal 1
(https://s9.postimg.org/yedvqtitb/vanessa_pal1.gif)
Vanessa pal 2
(https://s9.postimg.org/4mgtbn3pr/vanessa_pal2.gif)
Back Dash Beta
(https://s9.postimg.org/h13lbyfsf/back_dash.gif)
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on December 27, 2017, 11:43:43 pm
Roll Beta
(https://s9.postimg.org/7o76pkp7j/roll.gif)
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on December 31, 2017, 06:54:21 pm
some 2D work


render/manual edit
(https://orig00.deviantart.net/12fd/f/2017/365/f/b/maxy_meyers__kof_xiii_style__stand_sprite_by_mastertkof-dbyg84u.gif)

pure render
(https://s18.postimg.org/gfbigb495/RENDER.png)
manual edit over the render
(https://s18.postimg.org/52ywyjipl/SPRITE.png)

anyone there have a template for kof xiii code?

Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on January 04, 2018, 02:15:53 pm
Method Released on a "Open Source Ryu Shader"
the shader:
(https://s18.postimg.org/5yxa6xdgp/RYU.gif)
the sprite under pixel art:
(https://s18.postimg.org/6kquh6ill/final.png)

the topic:
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/anderson-masters-kof-xii-helper-wip-182437.new.html#new
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Graphicus on January 05, 2018, 01:59:37 am
I was pretty skeptical at first regarding how much progress you could make with nothing but shaders, and I have to admit I'm pretty impressed with the results.

I still think you have a lot of work ahead of you when it comes to the initial render. The shading is impressive, but it's being used on models that don't really match the art style and proportions used by SNK. Your animations are also still kind of wonky-looking and robotic. Still, it's definitely impressive how much farther ahead you end up by following this method rather than drawing from scratch on a flat shaded render.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on January 05, 2018, 10:46:34 pm
I was pretty skeptical at first regarding how much progress you could make with nothing but shaders, and I have to admit I'm pretty impressed with the results.

I still think you have a lot of work ahead of you when it comes to the initial render. The shading is impressive, but it's being used on models that don't really match the art style and proportions used by SNK. Your animations are also still kind of wonky-looking and robotic. Still, it's definitely impressive how much farther ahead you end up by following this method rather than drawing from scratch on a flat shaded render.
:thumbsup:

Cammy White released on the topic of shaders
(https://s13.postimg.org/efp0uantj/CAMMY1.png)
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/anderson-masters-kof-xii-helper-wip-182437.new.html#new
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on January 07, 2018, 10:09:23 pm
Chun-li Shader released
(https://s13.postimg.org/n3zayzpev/chun_li_4.png)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/inw4u5fs8jf1j66/CHUN%20LI%20SHADER.7z
 tomorrow i'll be back to animate Maxy
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Helios. on January 09, 2018, 10:34:09 pm
The shaders do look good, I agree.  It can never be perfectly XIII without exactly the same process, but yours stand up well enough on their own as a similar style.  Your animation needs a quite a bit of work, however.  Consider watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw0h9WmBlsw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw0h9WmBlsw) for some pointers.  She knows her stuff.
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on January 10, 2018, 07:01:21 pm
Stand pixel art wip WIP   WWWWWIIIIPPPPPP (WORK IN PROGRESS)

(https://s14.postimg.org/vn710mzdd/stand_wip.gif)
Title: Re: KOF XIII Maximilian Meyers and Maxy Meyers (Boxers Chars)
Post by: Mastertkof on January 14, 2018, 12:31:54 am
Stand almost finished, just need some fix and minor details
(https://s13.postimg.org/qy2g6z9xj/MAXY_STAND.gif)