I get why there's a public staff section. But at this point it's kind of useless. In terms of notifying members of things that can be done through warnings and what not. So a public staff talk section is less than needed -- alternatively discussing warnings in private might be a better idea.
The public staff section is public for transparency purposes. We post there more often than any other staff section that may or may not exist so that you can see the thought process in our decision making. There's no need for a private section with the exception for when people who told us things in confidence did so with the understanding that it would be kept private, which is rare.So for the most part, the public staff section is the only staff section we really use. It's NOT for "notifying members of things that can be done through warnings and what not", it's public, like I said, for transparency purposes.
As Caddie said it's all for transparency purposes.We actually discourage keeping issues and discussions private, in order to keep members in the loop, and to keep staff members accountable and in check.
Rajaa said, August 02, 2011, 10:01:21 amI was going to take this thread seriously, but then I saw that Momo! made it, so I changed my mind.I was being serious assman ...or should I say JACKASSman!My main point here was that in recent times it was becoming more used by people who were banned or warned to feel attacked because they were mentioned in the public staff forum...not realizing that there was a reason for that. Surely there's a way to stay transparent/keep the public staff but keep warnings private? Like it's not like it needs to be out there, y'all PM individuals breaking the rules anyway...
Caddie said, August 02, 2011, 05:24:53 amit's public for transparency purposes. Sorry, but that made me lol a bit.
Although my point's not important, I found that sort of contradictory.As soon as I read that I immediately thought the same thing as Cybaster.Cybaster said, August 02, 2011, 06:54:23 amFor the sake of transparency, make the hidden private staff section public !!! But either way, I'm perfectly fine with the public staff section. It does its job imo.
Transparency means that anyone can see what its being discussed, so its open to read, this thread was requesting it to be removed the ability to read from everyone that wasnt a staff member.,The private section only deals with stuff from pms
Iced said, August 02, 2011, 12:57:29 pmTransparency means that anyone can see what its being discussed, so its open to read, this thread was requesting it to be removed the ability to read from everyone that wasnt a staff member.,I know what it means, thanks. I was suggesting that if its purpose is to assure transparency, then everything should be transparent... But if the private section deals with PMs then my issue is even less important.
i'm don't want to fully debate all this other than say i support momo's stance and offer a statement to compliment it.transparency is one thing if you are being transparent to the subject at hand. they are the only ones that really require transparency. whatever can be discussed in private, and then sent to the subject. how it works now with everything in public, it opens said subject up to ridicule from others (a few mocking posts by shoshingo come to mind but i'm sure a few other things have happened too which momo referred to)
The public staff section is nothing but condescending trolling on the part of the people who post there. It's nothing but another "we are more important than everyone else" power trip the staff likes to indulge in. But that's OK too.
Iced said, August 02, 2011, 12:57:29 pmTransparency means that anyone can see what its being discussed, so its open to read, this thread was requesting it to be removed the ability to read from everyone that wasnt a staff member.,The private section only deals with stuff from pmsand porn.
Volzzilla said, August 02, 2011, 04:25:37 pmit opens said subject up to ridicule from othersif you make stupid posts you're going to be ridiculed regardless of staff forums being public or not
Volzzilla said, August 02, 2011, 04:25:37 pmi'm don't want to fully debate all this other than say i support momo's stance and offer a statement to compliment it.transparency is one thing if you are being transparent to the subject at hand. they are the only ones that really require transparency. whatever can be discussed in private, and then sent to the subject. how it works now with everything in public, it opens said subject up to ridicule from others (a few mocking posts by shoshingo come to mind but i'm sure a few other things have happened too which momo referred to)You just don't want people to see the threads that are about you. You don't support Momo because you genuinely agree with him, you support Momo because you want to protect your already tarnished image. Look at you bringing personal examples into it. Stop being self centered, nobody cares about you.And no, you're not sure that a few other things happened, how can you be sure while not being sure? Stop being ridiculous.The transparency of the staff board also gives people an idea of how not to act. If your name shows up there in a bad way, then it's because you've been bad and you should stop whatever it is you're doing. It's not to publicly humiliate people, it's to prevent people from publicly humiliating themselves.Saying, "It's useless," doesn't prove anything, I can prove it's not useless. Saying it messes up people's images in the community doesn't work, either; if you're being talked about, then you most likely brought it upon yourself.We move some threads from private to public sometimes because most of us think it's a good idea, nothing bad has happened because of it. Tell us some bad things that happened because of the transparency and maybe we can improve ourselves. Don't just bring in stupid, nonfactual, opinionated, personal bullshit to justify it not being needed.
no, i agree with momo. plz do not put words in my mouth. there have been times when whatever specifically talked about in staff section is brought up outside the forum (beyond someone making peterfoster like posts and them being made fun of for that post) in a way by whoever to ridicule.
Volzzilla said, August 02, 2011, 05:55:12 pmno, i agree with momo. plz do not put words in my mouth. For selfish reasons, not productive reasons. I didn't put any words in your mouth, what are you talking about? Volzzilla said, August 02, 2011, 05:55:12 pmthere have been times when whatever specifically talked about in staff section is brought up outside the forum (beyond someone making peterfoster like posts and them being made fun of for that post) in a way by whoever to ridicule. So? If people want to talk about what goes on in the staff area, they should be able to, that is not bad in any way. You're still not making any valid points. And maybe said people wouldn't be talked about if they didn't do stupid shit. Stupid shit like, I don't know, requesting IP addresses? Maybe we should move that other ridiculous request of yours to the public, it'd be a shame if people were to see you asking to make locked threads so you don't get bashed for the stupidity within them.All you care about is your image. Face it. You don't care about anything else. Every action you have made has proven this.Stop shitting out of your mouth. We already know your game.P.S.: What goes on on other forums is none of our concern, so that's yet another stupid reason -- no, stupid excuse -- you made up so you can protect your image.
i'll say this again. plz do not tell people why you think i agree with momo (including putting words in my mouth in the first post)until you have some certification or whatever that proves you to be able to mind read over the internet what people are thinking beyond what they are posting, i would like you to plz cease and desist from doing that regarding my posts.i agree with momo based on the merit of his idea and agreeing with it. do i think that anything will change? no, but i can agree with him if i'd like.
Volzzilla said, August 02, 2011, 06:44:58 pmi'll say this again. plz do not tell people why you think i agree with momo (including putting words in my mouth in the first post)Why, because you can't handle the truth? That actually sounds like a threat. I don't know how I feel about internet threats.Volzzilla said, August 02, 2011, 06:44:58 pmuntil you have some certification or whatever that proves you to be able to mind read over the internet what people are thinking beyond what they are posting, i would like you to plz cease and desist from doing that regarding my posts.I can't prove it, the proof is in the private threads. I'm not reading your mind, I'm using my induction abilities, nice try, though. And you're actually making me laugh with all this "cease and desist" shit. Are you high or something?
then double check your induction abilities at the door as you are wrong regarding my thoughts on the merit of momo's topic. they were also wrong when you used them to deduce whatever as a threat. so for the third time i'm asking you to plz quit with that behavior regarding me and this topic.
Volzzilla said, August 02, 2011, 06:57:25 pmthen double check your induction abilities at the door as you are wrong regarding my thoughts on the merit of momo's topic. they were also wrong when you used them to deduce whatever as a threat. so for the third time i'm asking you to plz quit with that behavior regarding me and this topic.Oh plz.
please don't let another feedback thread devolve into arguing.Iced said, August 02, 2011, 12:57:29 pmThe private section only deals with stuff from pmsThe Warnings thread does feature several PMs from different users that were posted in the open. So having it out in the open automatically goes against that. And PMs would be more effective, and wouldn't feature the PMS accompanied with posting about people in public. Perhaps moving the Warnings thread specifically to private and leaving everything else public would be okay? here are examples of PMs:http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=112183.msg1380786#msg1380786http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=112183.msg1305532#msg1305532Second one's really bad, tho a bit old. I see where I wasn't correct in asking for the closure of the public staff section, but specifically moving the warning thread might be something that would benefit everybody.
So I made the mistake of endorsing one of PeterFoster's earlier threads without really knowing him. I know little about Volzilla, but from what I've read, I think he may have a genuine point.Some posters may genuinely be slow or may simply have posted things that have been interpreted incorrectly. For them to see those posts being discussed or even mocked publicly can be quite embarassing. I think that Vol is saying (based on his own personal experiences) that for the sake of other posters' fragile feelings, matters like that should be kept from the community.Then again, Rajaa tends to be a good judge of character. Obviously he's dealt with Vol more closely than I have, so my point can't be set in stone.
Two ideas:1) Have a place where the userbase posts about the staff and staff can't post, to balance things out. 2) Give the subject whose fate is being currently discussed a chance to post @ the thread (once or twice) in his defense/ask questions.I DO like to see how the staff thinks, but current things also allow to develop a sort of public linching without a chance for any kind of defense. Public humillation might end up being worse to some users than just getting a warning. It might get solved if the discussion was done in a respectful manner. I also understand staff not being able to always express themselves calmly when regarding some of the more annoying, exasperating users.
Lasombra Demon said, August 02, 2011, 08:12:10 pm1) Have a place where the userbase posts about the staff and staff can't post, to balance things out. You do realize that you submitted that idea for staff approval? Kind of defeats the purpose and speaks to our powerlessness.I'd encourage you to start that thread yourself without permission . Do it in either Feedback or All That's Left.Title it:No Staff Allowed
Heh, the staff is talking about Lasombra Demon in the public forum. This is the perfect time for me to troll them all.
lansman said, August 02, 2011, 07:39:43 pmplease don't let another feedback thread devolve into arguing.Iced said, August 02, 2011, 12:57:29 pmThe private section only deals with stuff from pmsThe Warnings thread does feature several PMs from different users that were posted in the open. So having it out in the open automatically goes against that. And PMs would be more effective, and wouldn't feature the PMS accompanied with posting about people in public. Perhaps moving the Warnings thread specifically to private and leaving everything else public would be okay? here are examples of PMs:http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=112183.msg1380786#msg1380786http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=112183.msg1305532#msg1305532Second one's really bad, tho a bit old. The private section only dealing with stuff from pms is not equal to "all pms go to the private section".Context follows it obviously, right now we have a open letter from vozilla , some pms of users asking for some stuff changed here and there and other sensitive material where it was decided it was best to deal with the pms without others seeing them. Someone calling you out on talking about them and threatening you? Not sensitive AT ALL , they are being dicks and thus fuck that.People will organically act or react at members that have odd attitudes, people were complaining about lasombra and blue blood months before the staff even knew who they were, people complain about stormex but he is rarely if ever in the staff section. People sometimes complain about gbk, but the same applies.That's because interrelationships in a forum are organic and cant be excised into stone. Staff can only handle things when others start being dicks about it, if a staff member feels the need to discuss someone it doesnt mean "oh lets all gang up on this person!" that would be the fastest way to get to be the one discussed. Just like Ghousi got to be discussed for continuously posting shit, or Osky, or even vyx. I dont feel the need of change something that has always worked, why dont you show me situations where people actually changed their behaviour towards someone only because of staff talking about them?
I changed my av once in 2009 when you brought it up when you were talking about Ilu's av at the time.
well but that would be a positive reinforcement example, the opposite of what momo was talking about, where someone would jump ilu over him being talked about in the staff section.
I don't like the public staff section but it's not because of humiliation. It gives users a false sense of control over their relations with the staff. Yes you can see what the staff is think but there is no opportunity to participate in the discussion. It's like watching a lynch mob organize. you can see it coming you can even read their rational but you can't do anything about it.To make an analogy, an inescapably death is better when you can't see it coming.
Rip, thats what the feedback section is for.Its not the first time threads were made about moderator x or y in the feedback section, or people plead with their reasonings on bans they thought unjust and were given second chances. Sometimes third chances.in some peculiar cases tenth chances.
Riptide: The people's Knight said, August 02, 2011, 10:29:02 pmI don't like the public staff section but it's not because of humiliation. It gives users a false sense of control over their relations with the staff.
If you see the staff discussing about your behavior then the best defense you have is to stop doing whatever brought your name there in the first place.I can say from personal experience that when I saw my name brought to in the staff section I decided to simply stop posting and lower my assholish behavior from a 9 to at least a 4.They never talked about me after that.... ;_;
Iced said, August 02, 2011, 10:30:35 pmRip, thats what the feedback section is for.Its not the first time threads were made about moderator x or y in the feedback section, or people plead with their reasonings on bans they thought unjust and were given second chances. Sometimes third chances.in some peculiar cases tenth chances.I think it would be smoother if the pleading was done in the same topic the mods were discussing the member in.Plus to some degree arguing is pointless as this place is not democratic. I mean this place is more representative democracy where mods speak for the majority of the members on the forum. And I mean this very loosely.If the mods were the tool of the majority of members on the forum then arguing would be more useful.
If you can see it coming. You can avoid it. It's not like a lynch mob that's made up it's mind. It's more like a car on the road. You see it coming you get out of the way and stop whatever it is you're doing. Then you avoid being hit. If someone is up for discussion it's a borderline case. We discuss whether it's actually worth it, or if someone is just overly pissed off at that user and there is no reason for the ban. This is still a clue that if you've annoyed one person, you're possibly annoying more and many people would be happy to see you leave.Justified bans for which there is no discussion just happen. Someone has done something that blatantly disrespects the rules and the forum. You really won't notice these because you'll know that they're reasonable as soon as they happen.
Also if the staff would just follow what the majority wants then users like Lasombra would be banned without a second thought because nobody likes them.Kinda like the Romans but without gladiators and lions so it wouldn't be as fun.
Riptide: The people's Knight said, August 02, 2011, 10:38:08 pmI think it would be smoother if the pleading was done in the same topic the mods were discussing the member in.Plus to some degree arguing is pointless as this place is not democratic. I mean this place is more representative democracy where mods speak for the majority of the members on the forum. And I mean this very loosely.If the mods were the tool of the majority of members on the forum then arguing would be more useful.When you have a legitimate concern you can pm a mod, it takes someone being really annoying or insistent for most mods to not even want to talk to that person.I think you are basing your views on me not wanting to answer your pms anymore, but think about it.How many pms did I answer of yours before I quit?Six huge pms of paranoid behaviour, asking to be proven stuff and making claims about the past of the forum that you did not have any knowledge about but were to you, fact. Its only normal if people stop taking your pms seriously when they hold that kind of content, that is not however, what happens with most people.how many here can say they sent me a pm and had me reply to them to stop bothering me? Not insults or requesting the mods to code stuff for them, obviously. And when I say me, the same holds for the rest of the staff, when something isnt working out with one mod they will pass it onto another or try to at least give some advice.
Bastard Wolf said, August 02, 2011, 10:37:12 pmIf you see the staff discussing about your behavior then the best defense you have is to stop doing whatever brought your name there in the first place.I can say from personal experience that when I saw my name brought to in the staff section I decided to simply stop posting and lower my assholish behavior from a 9 to at least a 4.They never talked about me after that.... ;_;hi5Riptide: The people's Knight said, August 02, 2011, 10:38:08 pmIced said, August 02, 2011, 10:30:35 pmRip, thats what the feedback section is for.Its not the first time threads were made about moderator x or y in the feedback section, or people plead with their reasonings on bans they thought unjust and were given second chances. Sometimes third chances.in some peculiar cases tenth chances.I think it would be smoother if the pleading was done in the same topic the mods were discussing the member in.Plus to some degree arguing is pointless as this place is not democratic. I mean this place is more representative democracy where mods speak for the majority of the members on the forum. And I mean this very loosely.If the mods were the tool of the majority of members on the forum then arguing would be more useful.it would also be better if we could travel to their houses and kick their asses, but whatevr works is ok.
Cyanide said, August 02, 2011, 10:39:36 pmIf you can see it coming. You can avoid it. It's not like a lynch mob that's made up it's mind. It's more like a car on the road. You see it coming you get out of the way and stop whatever it is you're doing. Then you avoid being hit. If someone is up for discussion it's a borderline case. We discuss whether it's actually worth it, or if someone is just overly pissed off at that user and there is no reason for the ban. This is still a clue that if you've annoyed one person, you're possibly annoying more and many people would be happy to see you leave.Justified bans for which there is no discussion just happen. Someone has done something that blatantly disrespects the rules and the forum. You really won't notice these because you'll know that they're reasonable as soon as they happen.Those are the only type of bans I'm used to seeing.
We took almost 2 years to ban one specific user, were in discussions to ban others for ages, we try to work out things with most users before getting there and yet you talk about that as if it was fact.to you, the peculiar is fact.
Yeah, and you don't see that many here. We ban for ban evasion, continuous rule breaking after being told no (warez and hacks mostly) and porn. And bots. Those are the insta bans. Beyond that, you'll be discussed first.After the big switch (4-5 years ago) it was meant to be about self moderation. Users are supposed to hold themselves to a high standard and not break rules. This is why they can lock their own topics. We trust you to be mature. This is why if you have generally toed the line we're not just going to slap you down because you did something naughty. Unless it's for porn warez etc.
Iced said, August 02, 2011, 10:58:10 pmWe took almost 2 years to ban one specific user, were in discussions to ban others for ages, we try to work out things with most users before getting there and yet you talk about that as if it was fact.to you, the peculiar is fact.I'm not used to the slow bans there's not a place I've visited that operated like that. I can't see taking that long to decide to ban some one or not. it's it's not decided in one week I would say that it would be just dropped.I'm not going to bite my tongue here, it just sounds lame as a hell.
Cyanide said, August 02, 2011, 11:00:09 pmThis is why they can lock their own topics.The main problem we're currently having is that some users abuse that option, when there's no reason to lock it. Personally, if you removed that option from users, I wouldn't notice the difference. If I'm not interested in a thread I created, I just simply ignore it.
Why would you want to take away a members right to lock a topic. I only saw a few problems, isn't that a little extreme?
Riptide: The people's Knight said, August 02, 2011, 11:03:04 pmI'm not going to bite my tongue here, it just sounds lame as a hell.You got to bite your tongue, or we gunna ban you!Why did you even feel the need to snipe that bit about biting your tongue? Its situations where someone isnt doing anything forbidden but its acting negatively, we pm them try to correct them, things go well for a while, he relapses or he does something else against someone, a temporary ban could be given, we wait to see how he acts when he comes back, he relapses, we talk to him again, maybe ban him a bit longer and on and on. Real bans take time and wont happen like that.Riptide: The people's Knight said, August 02, 2011, 11:07:37 pmWhy would you want to take away a members right to lock a topic. I only saw a few problems, isn't that a little extreme?Why would a person want to take away a members right to see the staff operating, when we havent even seen one problem?
I really don't get it. The staff here is very reasonable, very open to talk to, almost completely transparent with their actions, very lenient when it comes to banning, and yet people STILL try to stereotype this staff with the old "evil and power hungry" stereotype that comes with moderating a forum. And making silly demands like "you should be able to post on the staff board to argue with them about their decisions".The subjects we talk about are open to be brought up through PMs or by starting a topic. There's no reason for this, you all are being very silly about something that benefits you.
Riptide: The people's Knight said, August 02, 2011, 11:07:37 pmWhy would you want to take away a members right to lock a topic. I only saw a few problems, isn't that a little extreme?What do you mean extreme? People normally doesn't lock their threads, as there's no point. I only saw few cases of some people being forced to do that to stop a complete off-topic situation when the thread already fulfilled its purpose. The other cases are like WlanmaniaX, who abused that right in order not to deal with problems in their characters. Personally, we don't really use it that much, so in my opinion, we wouldn't miss it.
The point Momo was trying to make was that the public staff discussion section was being used as a way for users to ridicule other users. And that's not a problem. Titiln already answered that in his response to Volzilla.People are accountable for their own actions. If they don't want to be ridiculed, then don't give a reason for people to ridicule them.That's it.
Riptide: The people's Knight said, August 02, 2011, 11:03:04 pmIced said, August 02, 2011, 10:58:10 pmWe took almost 2 years to ban one specific user, were in discussions to ban others for ages, we try to work out things with most users before getting there and yet you talk about that as if it was fact.to you, the peculiar is fact.I'm not used to the slow bans there's not a place I've visited that operated like that. I can't see taking that long to decide to ban some one or not. it's it's not decided in one week I would say that it would be just dropped.I'm not going to bite my tongue here, it just sounds lame as a hell.I bet in your old forums users were just spam fest and would not contribute to the comunity at all; in the mugen forums an user with an apparent asshole attitude can be helping people a lot in the help related forums or release good stuff so the staff still want them in.
Poison~ said, August 02, 2011, 11:52:11 pmRiptide: The people's Knight said, August 02, 2011, 11:03:04 pmIced said, August 02, 2011, 10:58:10 pmWe took almost 2 years to ban one specific user, were in discussions to ban others for ages, we try to work out things with most users before getting there and yet you talk about that as if it was fact.to you, the peculiar is fact.I'm not used to the slow bans there's not a place I've visited that operated like that. I can't see taking that long to decide to ban some one or not. it's it's not decided in one week I would say that it would be just dropped.I'm not going to bite my tongue here, it just sounds lame as a hell.I bet in your old forums users were just spam fest and would not contribute to the comunity at all; in the mugen forums an user with an apparent asshole attitude can be helping people a lot in the help related forums or release good stuff so the staff still want them in.Um...uh...let me think a bit. Some places operate like here, yeah. But some places don't need to tolerate asshole helpers because there are enough people who can contribute to the forum. Which is probably more common in a large community.My old forum didn't...wasn't holding to either idea.But in both situations I mentioned it was a different type of community (not mugen).Different communities will have different policies as a final fantasy forum, computer hardware, and comic book forum will not be the same. I guess I was expecting the guild to be more similar to other forums I've been on.Which is because I've been on forums for a wide variety of topics MFG is the odd man out in some of their policies.
Ya you and Volzilla should stop having expectations about what the "Guild forum experience" is supposed to be like.
That and stop quoting the post just above and coloring posts.QuoteI think that Vol is saying (based on his own personal experiences) that for the sake of other posters' fragile feelings, matters like that should be kept from the community.Sorry, we're not going to do any change based on that kind of posters.
So you saying that on this message board I'm supposed to forget everything I ever hear or knew of in a message board and act like this is some new invention.
Why must you treat this so negatively? Were all your other forums a clusterfuck of posts with no real maturity or rules?
for the 6th or 7th time ( i lost count ), all i said in this topic was i agree with the merit of momo's premise. that is it, nothing else. i also said i expected nothing to change regarding it.
No some of them were very orderly. I went out of my way to say that my last forum wasn't close to the standard that most forums are like. I'm saying the guild is also out away from the standard. I didn't say that they are similar. They are very different.
Riptide: The people's Knight said, August 03, 2011, 12:35:05 amMy old forum...OH BOY HERE WE GO!Why don't we just name riptide admin since she is clearly an expert on how a forum should be (or so she claims) based on her vast experience visiting several forums all over the internet!
I do not understand this. If I visit like 5 forums and one is much different than the rest why is my claim that it's different invalidated.Why, why, why? It makes no sense.
hum...didn't I say that they were different but then come back and say that they had similarities.If you took the time to understand what you were reading you wouldn't need to be sarcastic or even if you were sarcastic you would have been more accurate.
-Oxe- said, August 03, 2011, 12:48:27 amWhy must you treat this so negatively? Were all your other forums a clusterfuck of posts with no real maturity or rules?you just noticed.Riptide: The people's Knight said, August 03, 2011, 12:59:46 amI do not understand this. If I visit like 5 forums and one is much different than the rest why is my claim that it's different invalidated.Why, why, why? It makes no sense.lol, 5 forums ? you consider that statistically valid data for comparison; you know what, fuck you.
in my old forum we posted tons of bestial porns but now I learn that its banned here?! i feel that this forum is discriminating against me and i will file suit against mfg for this insult to my familyi have only visit one forums but i expert in forum because i made millions of posts at old forums and i have a phd in forumsology
Well...so you don't consider 5 forums worthy of making a generalization. Why why didn't you just fucking say so. Do you know how much time we wasted on this argument?
Riptide: The people's Knight said, August 03, 2011, 01:14:41 amWell...so you don't consider 5 forums worthy of making a generalization. Why why didn't you just fucking say so. Do you know how much time we wasted on this argument?Please tell me you're joking and don't actually mean it.
Oh my dear dear Riptide, perhaps if you feel you've wasted your time on this thread, then I recommend you stop posting in it. The more you try to backup your argument (if you could call it that) the more trapped you get, and the worse your posts become, and eventually you became the ridicule of the day. All I can say is, close the forum, and come back when you're not so angry, because at the moment, you're just not making any sense.
Orochi Gill said, August 03, 2011, 01:16:18 amActually, it's time you wasted.Yes, but you and a few others were posting here too.Not trolling but you were the only one to bring a counter argument that made sense and cleared things up.@ Oxe, I can avoid being trapped be not replying to every post.
Riptide: The people's Knight said, August 03, 2011, 01:14:41 amWell...so you don't consider 5 forums worthy of making a generalization. Why why didn't you just fucking say so. Do you know how much time we wasted on this argument?You really don't know how statistics work, do you ?
Oh riptide, I had already told you this when we were doing the whole pm thing... Quoteyou are again talking about your old forum as if its some example of the guild and whatever. have you ever thought that perhaps you have formatted yourself to search for the same thing everywhere? thats not good, thats actually irritating.You talk as if somehow you know more than everyone here, that have as well been in foruns for decades, that you somehow, are seeing the only truth possible,( . . . )We dont work that way. and you continuously bringing up those experiences( and acting on them ) just make you stand out more and more as someone that isnt good at relating to people. Is rajaa upset there? Yeah he is, but you gave him the buildup for the reaction, you had that coming. If you think you are getting banned over that, you are mistaken, thats not how things work, but you basically have changed neighbourhood to a new town and keep talking about your old town while pointing paranoically at everyone and accusing them of being like X and Y of your old town, and eventually your neighbours will think you are a loonie if you keep that up.
Bastard Wolf said, August 03, 2011, 01:25:43 amShut up Cybaster, I've talked to 5 French people so I have your country all figured out. It depends on what you ask them.
I like this thread, almost every single person I expected to fail on it failed hard so far (Yeah, that includes Volzilla, I knew he was going to come here ). The only one left in my list is StormEX but he didn't post here yet
I know 3 Norwegian people : 2 of them are fat tall alcoholic girls (but they're still very cool), one of them killed 80 people a few days ago.I can conclude :- All Norwegian women are fat, alcoholic, tall yet nice.- All Norwegian men play WoW and kill kids during daytime.I'm a Professional Riptistician now : I can do statistic à la Riptide and infer general knowledge from the observation of 1 to 5 samples.
I think Riptide isn't trying to be judgemental as to how things should work here. She's just used to a specific set of manners and rules, and can't still understand how things are in this place (and how it keeps together). Maybe I'm wrong, but I think she's just asking for an explanation, not an overall forum behaviour change.
Lasombra Demon said, August 03, 2011, 01:48:24 amI think Riptide isn't trying to be judgemental as to how things should work here. She's just used to a specific set of manners and rules, and can't still understand how things are in this place (and how it keeps together). Maybe I'm wrong, but I think she's just asking for an explanation, not an overall forum behaviour change.I'm not even looking for an understanding. I can see clearly how it functions and I'm going to leave it that that.but you are right I'm saying it doesn't follow the rules I've seen before. True there are other places that also are different but I have some idea how they deviated from the norm.You say that 5 forums isn't enough fine that might be true, but five item isn't always too little to make a generalization.@ Cybaster you should know more about you norwegian friends than that
Do you realize that we're talking about forums right? 5 is really a very very very small number in this case.
Well 5 forums is a number where you can start making assumptions from experience. Everyone does. The word 'statistics' is just completely misplaced here..
WHY! should it follow the rules you've seen before. This forum is not those forums. We are different. That's it. If you went to japan would you expect the whole country to speak english because that was your experience visiting US, England Australia and NZ?Argh.
Rednavi said, August 03, 2011, 01:42:19 amI like this thread, almost every single person I expected to fail on it failed hard so far (Yeah, that includes Volzilla, I knew he was going to come here ). The only one left in my list is StormEX but he didn't post here yet StormEX wouldn't fail in this department.
Rednavi said, August 03, 2011, 01:42:19 amI like this thread, almost every single person I expected to fail on it failed hard so far (Yeah, that includes Volzilla, I knew he was going to come here ). The only one left in my list is StormEX but he didn't post here yet I forgot. I'm also waiting for Toshio to come here with his usual "let's not go off topic" comment.God what a boring man! He's literally a square
MissBHaven said, August 02, 2011, 04:33:55 pmThe public staff section is nothing but condescending trolling on the part of the people who post there.How does it feel to know there's a party but you're not invited?Caddie said, August 02, 2011, 11:11:59 pmI really don't get it. The staff here is very reasonable, very open to talk to, almost completely transparent with their actions, very lenient when it comes to banning, and yet people STILL try to stereotype this staff with the old "evil and power hungry" stereotype that comes with moderating a forum.Embrace the inner devil and fill those big evil shoes that have been left for you.
I don't think its a good idea to close the public staff section.That section exists to show how transparent the staff are about make decisions, about people complains, power abuse and etc. Believe me: its way better to see staff talking about the problems and to see what each one is talking, rather then to have a private area, because many people likes to play the to faces rule- they support you, but stab your back at the private area. (I'm not saying that someone here at Guild makes this, I am using another forum as an example)At the end, I think Guild's mods & admins are making a good work with that. Every single issue I had, they supported me and answered my questions promptly.
I think threads like these are perfect evidence that the staff here is pretty lenient.Because they have every right to close this pointless discussion that doesn't get anywhere, yet they don't. They still want to discuss it and explain the reasons behind it to you guys, even though it's probably not going to get through your thick skulls.
The only thing that I've seen so far is people feeling mocked. The truth is like Titiln said, "[If you're making stupid posts, then you're going to get ridiculed regardless of us talking about you in the Warnings thread.]"We're not scoundrels because we're staff, we don't control people's thoughts. If we think you're doing something stupid, other people probably share the same thoughts. A title doesn't make us nonhuman, as some people seem to think.
Not many forums have this level of transparency. For the sake of statistics and archives purposes, don't close the Public Staff section.off-topic:in addition to mottos, idolizations, and meeting goals/quotas; statistics and archives are also among the most important factors in a successful MLM strategy.
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Werewood said, August 08, 2011, 08:24:31 pmin addition to mottos, idolizations, and meeting goals/quotas; statistics and archives are also among the most important factors in a successful MLM strategy.MAN THATS GREAT
He's asian and uses marketing strategies of questionable effectiveness to try to sell us shit we don't really need. He must be.
I personally don't think is a good idea closing it, I usually visit the thread to make sure that I'm not posting something really awful. Instead of being mad with that thread, I suggest other users to be more careful while posting, I'm doing my best to not mess up. I'm very sorry if I did it in the past anyway.
