I think if they add Jinbe and Carrot (as helmsman and lookout) they'd be fine, since at that point they'd have filled all the positions of your typical romanticized pirate crew.
Side note: Do we really not have a One Piece thread for these discussions?
I really like Jinbe, and think Oda could do a lot with a permanent fishman on the crew, but...the core nine Straw Hats + the dozens of support characters introduced on every arc are getting unwieldy. When was the last last time half of the crew wasn't either irrelevant or completely gone for an entire arc? Fishman island? 'sides, what do Jinbe and Carrot do for the crew other than fighting?
Also, I hope Pedro doesn't miraculously survive that explosion. Oda has pulled that bullshit too many times and it feels cheap as fuck. I've liked Whole Cake Island/the wedding arc so far, but I'm not sure how Oda can wrap it up. Is Big Mom really gonna let the crew go if she has cake? how can Luffy fight her when her underlings are too much for him?
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on September 04, 2017, 06:40:06 pm
alright im gonna reply to person man here i guess
i don't think carrot is gonna be a part of the straw hat, mainly because there seems to be a formula to picking crew members that oda has followed for pretty much every crew member and carrot has showed none of those things. im gonna list them along side how carrot compares to them
1) they have to their own dream that they would want to acomplish by joining the SH. carrot mentioned nothing about having a goal or dream. 2) the story arc they join in is mostly focused on them and how they overcome their problems. carrot was never the focus of either the zou arc nor the big mom one. 3) they have to have some sort of depressing tragic backstory that involves the death of loved one in it. again, nothing. 4) luffy should get attracted to them somehow. luffy had paid no attention to carrot whatsoever. 5) they should have a unique ability that is important to either the story or to luffy. she has some vaguely weird electric powers and speed? im not sure about the last one.
yeah yeah im a one piece fan boy. eat me.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Infinite Daze on September 04, 2017, 07:20:47 pm
If Pedro somehow is still alive after that kamikaze attack, I'm going to be angry. But Carrot for Straw Hat all day, don't know if it will be permanent or just till after Wano.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on September 04, 2017, 07:56:36 pm
Carrot's kind of a special case in that she doesn't have a backstory as much as she's currently experiencing her origin story. All the stuff that the rest of the crew had prior to joining is what Carrot's currently going through right now. In response to your points:
Spoiler: last chapter spoilers(click to see content)
1) Carrot's dream appears to be to explore the world outside Zou. She's repeatedly shown fascination with the "wonderland" of the sea and expressed a desire to know and see more. Plus what with Pedro's speech at the end of the last chapter, now she has a reason to specifically do so with the Straw Hats. 2) I'll admit that's a good point, although she did have the whole Mirror World mini-arc to herself along with Chopper. It's worth pointing out that Brook did next to nothing himself during the Thriller Bark arc before he joined. 3) Again, Pedro. Happening right now. 4) More than likely she'll stow away and insist on joining the crew afterward, like Robin did. 5) Besides her electro powers, she's faster than Zoro with a unique acrobatic fighting style. Plus, her ability to jump like a mile into the air and her greatly enhanced sight mark her as a candidate to be a capable lookout, a traditional pirate role they've been sorely missing.
She's already building up strong relationships with the rest of the crew, especially Chopper, she more or less already acts like she's part of the crew (http://pm1.narvii.com/6395/1af946eee48bb538fdc02f03b7899813f15cc7d9_hq.jpg), and there was even one point in the anime where she flat out asked to join them (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIlL_QXoKYQ) (although that was just filler so it's canonicity is dubious at best.).
I don't know. I've just been getting some seriously heavy vibes that Carrot's being groomed as the next crewmate from the last two arcs. Maybe I'm way off base, but that's how I'm seeing it.
I really like Jinbe, and think Oda could do a lot with a permanent fishman on the crew, but...the core nine Straw Hats + the dozens of support characters introduced on every arc are getting unwieldy. When was the last last time half of the crew wasn't either irrelevant or completely gone for an entire arc? Fishman island? 'sides, what do Jinbe and Carrot do for the crew other than fighting?
Well, Jinbe's already announced his intention to join the crew once they escape big mom so unless he ends up dying before pffffhahaha yeah right.
As for what Jinbe can do, I'm betting he'll be made the helmsman. It's one of the few roles they don't have a dedicated crewman for, and he's shown skill in handling ships.
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Also, I hope Pedro doesn't miraculously survive that explosion. Oda has pulled that bullshit too many times and it feels cheap as fuck.
Lol expecting permadeath in One Piece. I'm still halfway expecting Ace and Whitebeard to make a big "surprise" return somewhere down the line.
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I've liked Whole Cake Island/the wedding arc so far, but I'm not sure how Oda can wrap it up. Is Big Mom really gonna let the crew go if she has cake? how can Luffy fight her when her underlings are too much for him?
My guess is that Big Mom's going to wreck her own crew and operations while she's still in her frenzy state, Sanji will show up with the cake, and they'll make their escape while she's distracted. By the time they're gone and Big Mom's back to her senses, she won't have any means to chase after them.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on September 04, 2017, 08:39:10 pm
am i the only one who got the impression that pudding is gonna poison big mom with her cake? or maybe sedate her to give the strawhats a chance to escape. kinda meaningless to make her a cake otherwise. because she's gonna regain consciousness and attack the strawhats again.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Infinite Daze on September 04, 2017, 10:17:01 pm
am i the only one who got the impression that pudding is gonna poison big mom with her cake? or maybe sedate her to give the strawhats a chance to escape. kinda meaningless to make her a cake otherwise. because she's gonna regain consciousness and attack the strawhats again.
judging by the look of Sanji in the last chapter, I think he might be one to do something to the cake maybe 99 recipes. IMO, Pudding trying to poison Big Mom doesn't seem likely because of how much stuff we have seen Big Mom tank so far this arc, unless Pudding has some Super Duper Ceaser Clown poison hiding somewhere. I think pudding will be used as a plot device for maybe a Ichiji kidnapping. Which most likely lead up to a Sanji vs Ichiji fight in Chocolate Town. Sanji has had fights with all his siblings except Reiju, and Ichiji. Ichiji has seemed to be the coldest/evil of all his siblings. Plus this could give him a battle feat this arc, maybe...
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on September 04, 2017, 10:44:57 pm
I honestly have no idea what Oda is trying to do with Pudding because he keeps completely changing her character every time she shows up. Right now her personality seems to be "tsundere to the point of manic schizophrenia," but who knows how long that will last. She's been doing consecutive heel/face turns so fast you could use her to drill for oil.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: lui on September 05, 2017, 02:34:49 am
i really wanna get into one piece. I really do, but theres just sooooooooooooooooooo much chapters it would take literally a couple months for me to catch up if I read everything, where can I start aside from the prologue? what should I skip that's not relevant?
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on September 05, 2017, 02:56:32 am
Pretty much everything becomes important somewhere down the line (Oda loves foreshadowing and bringing back characters once a decade). The truly meaningless chapters are far and in-between (like...uh, Gaimon's island maybe?) and the only arc everyone will tell you to skip is the Davy fight (it's basically filler in manga form).
I started reading OP 3 years ago. There were like 750 chapters back then. It took me like three months to catch up, binging on two or three volumes on every sit.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on September 05, 2017, 03:03:51 am
The only story arc I can think of that doesn't advance the overall plot in any significant way is the Sky Island saga, but I wouldn't really recommend skipping it because it's still a really good read. But yeah, if you have to skip something you can skip the Davy Back fight arc since there's nothing of value in there.
I'd say just start from the beginning and read it all at your own pace.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on September 05, 2017, 03:26:24 am
Ehhhhhhh, no. That's an excellent example of why you should NOT skip anything. A reader skipping Skypea wouldn't understand the following:
- Why is the Going Merry all messed up? - ...and why the fuck did she start talking at the end of Ennies Lobby? - Where did that gold the Straw Hats are talking about come from? - Why does Ussop have magic seashells now?
Later down the line the same reader wouldn't understand why Silvers Rayleigh knows about the poneglyphs, how observation haki/mantra works or what sky islands are.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on September 05, 2017, 03:38:52 am
Yeah, you've got a good point there. I was thinking in much broader strokes along the lines of introductions of major characters, backstories and origins, and the ongoing story threads with the Shichibukai/World Government/Yonko. Apart from the details like those, Skypiea more or less ends with all of the characters back where they began.
But either way, I agree that skipping that arc isn't recommended.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: President Devon on September 05, 2017, 06:50:05 am
Skypeia is one of the best adventure arcs imo. Also I don't really recommend the anime much, but there is merit to watching the G8 Arc after you read Skypeia. Just pretend every time they mention "Akainu" they're actually saying "Aokiji".
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on September 05, 2017, 07:12:18 am
the anime was good up until the enies lobby arc then it started to kill its pacing by adopting one chapter per episode. the shitty animation didn't help either. walruslui if you're keen, you can find fully colored scans online, those are actually official and they make reading one piece alot more fun. i've gone back and reread most of one piece with them.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on September 13, 2017, 08:49:02 pm
Bummer, I was hoping this arc would end with Katakuri fighting Sanji, not Luffy. Guess it can't be helped since Luffy isn't fighting Big Mom any time soon, and Cracker is still out cold.
Huh, fortuitous Gol D. Rogers flashback. Been a while since we had one of those.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on September 13, 2017, 11:45:59 pm
Seeing as how the Thousand Sunny took off without him, I'm betting that Luffy and Sanji are going to meet up for the last big fight. This whole arc was about getting him back to the crew anyway.
Also, LOL @ Brulee getting the shit beat out of her again. I don't know what kind of mad genius it takes to make a running gag out of an old woman getting her ass kicked over and over again, but I love it.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: President Devon on September 14, 2017, 06:53:30 am
Great chapter, I'm really digging the arc. I've never been a big fan of rescue arcs but putting this many twists and turns on the formula has made it really entertaining.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on September 22, 2017, 11:31:17 pm
New chapter's out. Jinbe is a badass. I'm starting to realize why he's joining the crew now of all times; They need someone who's been around the Yonko long enough to keep the Straw Hats grounded in how serious things are becoming. They aren't going to be able to just happy-go-lucky their way through things anymore.
Spoiler: Smug self-satisfaction(click to see content)
her ability to jump like a mile into the air and her greatly enhanced sight mark her as a candidate to be a capable lookout
We now return to One Piece, already in progress.
(https://i.imgur.com/IhudQ97.png)
The Wabbit Waifu Wagon rolls on!
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on September 23, 2017, 06:38:15 am
luffy finally met his physical match in new world, katakuri is a badass and seems much more stronger than luffy in both devil fruit abilities and haki. he basically copied one of luffy's strongest attack right on the spot only his was much stronger. i really hope we get a decent fight out of this arc. so far luffy and the SH hadn't had any good fights in new world at all.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on September 23, 2017, 06:10:13 pm
???
Doflamingo wasn't a challenging fight? The guy so tough they had to recruit an actual, literal army just to have a chance against him?
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on September 23, 2017, 07:25:14 pm
doflamingo's fight may have been quite challenging to luffy but it was not a very entertaining fight to watch. it felt like it was choreographed by michael bay. they kept on slamming each other around dressrosa, dofa used his long range df awakening way too much and the fight ended with luffy destroying dofa with a deus ex machina transformation. it doesn't hold a candle to rob lucci's fight, arlong's or even croccodile's. don't even get me started on ceasor clown's fight.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on October 03, 2017, 01:21:59 pm
So who wants to take bets on how they're getting out of this? Even money on Jinbe waterbending that tidal wave out of the way or the Sun Pirates pulling some kind of underwater save. Payout doubles for a Deus ex Machina appearance by Marco or Kuzan.
Although, considering how this fight is going so far it'll likely run with a fakeout acting like they all died for a few chapters, giving Luffy the motivation to awaken his Devil Fruit and beat Katakuri.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Infinite Daze on October 03, 2017, 03:29:34 pm
I think the straw hats are good. Like you said, Jimbe can pretty much control water. I doubt Big Mom is going to come crashing down on the Sunny if she thinks the wedding cake on the ship but she could. If she does, maybe the fishman that Chopper saw early has something to do with Aladdin? If that is the case, maybe the tsunami will mess the ship up. I don't know if Luffy will get his awakening this soon, we just found out about it awakening a few arcs ago but it could happen. I do think we could possibly see a new form of gear 4, that could possibly have some effect on Katakuri. I think Katakuri could maybe even have some kind of counter form for gear 4 though.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on October 03, 2017, 04:42:49 pm
I still don't know how this arc can end without some major bullshitting. All of Checkhov's guns have been fired already (BM's vivre card, the tama-thing from Fishman Island and Caesar's chemical weapons) and they've only had enough impact for the SH to run away.
Oda has made it clear the crew can't brute-force their way out of this conundrum...and even if Luffy goes SSJ and beats Katakuri to a pulp he just shouldn't be taking on BM herself so soon. The wedding cake has to solve this mess somehow.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on October 03, 2017, 09:12:45 pm
It does feel like the stakes have been raised impossibly high in this arc, but part of that might be due to the fact that they've only had the weakest fighters on the crew to work with for most of it.
I still say it's going to wind up with Big Mom being distracted by the cake long enough for the them to get away, and when she comes back to her senses enough damage will have been done that there's no way for her to pursue them.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on October 04, 2017, 10:52:21 am
im sticking to what i said earlier, they're either gonna poison the cake or put some magical concoction that will sedate big mom.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on October 04, 2017, 12:28:55 pm
I feel like Sanji has too much pride as a chef to treat food as a weapon like that, though.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on October 05, 2017, 05:03:45 pm
Jinbe uses Surf! It's super effective!
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on October 05, 2017, 08:49:57 pm
Not how I was expecting that to go, but that was an awesome move. Also Katakuri is now Joseph Joestar, apparently.
Spoiler: Further smug self-satisfaction(click to see content)
As for what Jinbe can do, I'm betting he'll be made the helmsman. It's one of the few roles they don't have a dedicated crewman for, and he's shown skill in handling ships.
Hmm...
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Hmmmmmm.....
(https://i.imgur.com/m0prSd3.png)
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: R565 on October 06, 2017, 02:19:10 am
Person Man, I love that your guess might be right. It would be cool to see if Jinbe becomes part of the crew at the end of this, because that was pure badass.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on October 06, 2017, 01:23:36 pm
not trying to shut you down or anything but jinbe taking the helmsman role in the strawhats has been a (very) common guess ever since we saw him steer a marine ship from impel down.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on October 06, 2017, 04:36:59 pm
I'm still comfortable taking the win. I never said I was the first to guess that.
:EDIT: Copypasting this from a Reddit post because it's fucking gold.
Spoiler: 882 'prediction'(click to see content)
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"A resounding success!" says a familiar voice. Sentomaru steps out of the shadows. "You?!" Luffy exclaims, a look of shock adorning his face. Katakuri begins another advance on Luffy, but stops as Sentomaru raises his hand, "Enough... PZ-1. Disengage." Katakuri's eyes turn dark and his limbs contort slightly, as if attempting to separate from his torso. "NANI?!" shouts Luffy, confused as fuck. "Behold, Mugiwara, the latest line of Pacifista. Those capable of absorbing devil fruits themselves! Even your Haki can not overpower these perfect entities..." Sentomaru looks proud of himself, and waits as if welcoming a question from the heavily beaten Luffy, but it never comes. Sentomaru scowls and pushes his axe forwards, "Finish it!" Katakuri awakens again, his eyes burning red as he rushes towards Luffy. Our hero attempts to stand but finds himself incapable. Suddenly, a flash of light, Katakuri is sent sprawling. "NANI?!" exclaims Sentomaru. A double page spread is shown, of Carrot standing ahead of Luffy in an epic pose, her glove crackling with Haki infused Electro. "You... what is an upper tier Revolutionary doing here?" asks Sentomaru, stepping back slightly, gritting his teeth to hide the absolute fear he's feeling. A full-body shot of Carrot is shown, a new name box appears for her, that reads: CARROT "THE LOOKOUT" BOUNTY: 800,000,000 THIRD IN COMMAND OF THE REVOLUTIONARY ARMY She shoots Sentomaru a sharp glare, "If the second generation Pacifista are here, then so must be their creator." "B-but how-" Sentomaru stutters. "COME OUT... VEGAPUNK!" Carrot cries, her voice reverberating throughout the Mirror World. A moment of silence. Then clapping can be heard, "Well done, Lookout. You really have it all sorted out, don't you. I would expect no less from a daughter of Roger himself. Ace would be proud..." A short man with a dark green afro appears. On his back is the jacket worn by an Admiral... and a treasure chest covers his body from our view. "G-GAIMON?!" Luffy cries, confused to no fucking end right now, like seriously you should see his face. Gaimon's expression changes to one of annoyance as he directs his sight to the crippled Luffy, "That's Admiral Gaimon to you, boy". The page is a double spread again, with a detailed view of Gaimon and another intro box that says: "GREEN BULL" VEGAPUNK GAIMON ADMIRAL OF THE MARINES HEAD OF THE WORLD GOVERNMENT SCIENCE DIVISION SMARTEST MAN IN THE WORLD "Your journey ends here, Mugiwara." he says, as Katakuri and Sentomaru cover his flanks, ready to finish off Luffy. But Carrot is quick to step between them, "I will be your opponent." she says. Through one of the mirrors, we see clouds clearing back in the overworld. A full moon takes form and shines in to the mirror world, bathing Carrot in its light. Her eyes turn red. The last two panels feature detailed faces of an enraged Carrot and a grinning Gaimon. One speech bubble sits atop these panels. Carrot says simply, "I won't let you hurt... MY CAPTAIN!!" End. 3 month hiatus.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on October 27, 2017, 01:32:48 pm
So much for the chances of there being even one character in this series who isn't a total clownshoes weirdo.
RIP, serious Katakuri. You're a real One Piece character now.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on October 27, 2017, 03:21:40 pm
one piece actually subverts that trope, and it generally never really took itself seriously (which i like alot about it btw). you know what took itself seriously? bleach. with all of its macho edgy characters with big ass swords and mean mugs, it comes off as try hard.
besides, you still have quite a few serious character like law, rob lucci, jinbe, and most of the marine commanders.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on October 27, 2017, 04:01:20 pm
YUMMY YUMMY DONUTS! NOM NOM ♥
The first people that come to mind when I think of serious OP characters are Crocodile, Silvers, Hawkeye and Smoker. There's plenty of serious characters if you stop to think about it for a while, but they're mostly minor, underdeveloped or "mysterious" characters who don't get under the spotlight often (e.g. Dragon, Fujitora, Kuma).
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on October 27, 2017, 05:06:53 pm
Oh, I know there’s plenty of serious characters. Law is basically what the main protagonist of the series would be if took itself at all seriously.
I just find it hilarious that Oda would spend all this time building Katakuri up as this noble, dignified badass all for the sake of a gag where he gets caught rolling around on the ground shoveling donuts into his giant stupid mouth going “yum yum yum.” It’s so quintessentially ‘One Piece,’ you know?
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on November 02, 2017, 05:53:57 pm
damn, luffy is getting destroyed. just when you thought he had a chance to win, katakuri snuffs it.
oh yeah we also got a possible explanation on why akainu wasn't effected by haki attacks back in the marineford battle. he predicted them, and dodged them by changing shape.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on November 02, 2017, 11:24:58 pm
I thought Oda had retconned Katakuri's DF to a paramecia in the tankobons or something. Or is it just Luffy assuming he's a logia?
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on November 03, 2017, 12:16:09 am
Ah, there's the Sun Pirates asspull I was waiting on. I forgot that Praline had defected to the 'Anti-Big Mom' side. And I had also forgotten that Pekoms was still a member of Big Mom's crew, so his reactions here keep catching me off guard.
Oda's introduced so many Big Mom crew members and keeps making them switch sides so much I'm genuinely having trouble remembering who is and isn't one of the enemies.
I thought Oda had retconned Katakuri's DF to a paramecia in the tankobons or something. Or is it just Luffy assuming he's a logia?
Apparently it's a "special paramecia" which I guess means it works like a logia too.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on November 03, 2017, 07:33:07 am
thats unnecessarily confusing. i thought he was a logia, he submerged a huge spear into his body and he can liquefy it at will.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on November 03, 2017, 03:04:31 pm
^ Welcome to One Piece, where everything’s made up and the rules don’t matter.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on November 03, 2017, 03:32:16 pm
Is it really breaking the rules, though?.
Awakened paramecias can turn their surroundings into strings/mochi/whatever, why couldn't they do the same to weaponry?
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on November 03, 2017, 05:04:22 pm
I mean, it’s he’s using it to transform his entire body into something else, regenerate body parts, and shapeshift at will, which has always been classified as a logia-type ability until now.
:EDIT: So looked into it a little bit more and it looks like logia specifically refers to powers relating to intangible elements or natural substances like fire, smoke, light, etc. So I guess it's not technically breaking the rules since mochi doesn't fit that criteria.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on November 24, 2017, 07:50:07 pm
This last chapter is giving me a theory about what's about to go down in the battle on Cacao Island. Specifically, that one panel where it cuts away from all the action to Carrot and Chopper the Sunny just to have her remark about it being a full moon. Back in the Zou arc the full moon was mentioned a couple of times in relation to the Mink tribe - Wanda remarked that they were 'lucky' that the full moon was covered by clouds at one point, and Inurashi implied that if Jack and his army had shown up during a full moon that they'd have been completely wiped out.
I think Carrot's about to get some kind of insane power-up going into the final battle. Most likely, she's going to finish what Pedro started and take down Perospero.
Also: Someone really should start keeping a "Brulee owned count" like TFS does for Krillin.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on November 24, 2017, 08:35:10 pm
i sure hope that doesn't happen. i would be bummed to see a crazy powerful villain who restrained germa 66 all by himself to be done in by a bland character.
but things are getting interesting with luffy, he seems to be getting the hang of the observation haki. still tho, i don't how he's gonna defeat someone with both an awakened df and stronger armament haki.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on November 24, 2017, 09:07:56 pm
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on November 25, 2017, 03:02:39 am
Knowing Oda, it'll probably be something completely stupid instead of a straight power up.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on November 25, 2017, 03:32:29 am
It will absolutely be both of those things. Some kinda feral beast mink rage mode, I'm guessing. And then Bropper has to go into Monster Point to snap her out of it because she's going to kill everyone.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on November 25, 2017, 04:46:44 am
Here's how I think it'll play out:
1. Carrot seemingly transforms into a bestial form. 2. Chapter ends abruptly. 3. Next chapter shows Carrot with extra fluffy hair, nobody takes her seriously. 4. The fluffy hair actually strengthens her electro.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on November 25, 2017, 09:34:08 am
i mean its possible she'll become stronger... but its probably won't be a berserker mode like Person man is describing it (i hate that trope btw). she'll probably assist nami in defeating perospero, although i would like to see nami defeat him by herself. she deserves a bit of spotlight after an underwhelming post time skip presence.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on November 25, 2017, 01:56:52 pm
Whatever it is, we can make a few educated guesses based on what has been said so far (which admittedly isn't much):
Carrot's comment tells us that it's something that affects Minks and not just Zou in general, since she brings it up when she's nowhere near Zunisha. Inurashi's comment tells us that whatever happens grants them immense strength. Like, "easily wipe out Kaido's first mate" strength. Wanda's comment tells us that despite this, the Minks don't like what the full moon does to them, and will avoid it whenever possible.
With all that in mind, some kind of feral transformation that gives them huge power and a loss of self-control seems to fit the bill. Admittedly, I'd like to see something else too since it's not exactly the most clever or original trope, but it does fit with what we know so far.
1. Carrot seemingly transforms into a bestial form. 2. Chapter ends abruptly. 3. Next chapter shows Carrot with extra fluffy hair, nobody takes her seriously. 4. The fluffy hair actually strengthens her electro.
It's all just static electricity stored in their fur. You thought that was just a fluffy bunny tail, but it's actually an Electro power pack.
Oh gods, I was just joking but now that I write it out that is definitely something Oda would come up with...
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on November 27, 2017, 02:15:06 pm
i wish i care enough. the minks are the most uninteresting race oda has introduced in one piece imo. almost every piece of media has anthropomorphic characters, its a very unoriginal gimmick, especially if it isn't used to explore something more interesting (much like how fishmen were used for a racism theme). i don't know about you guys but to me they seem like an attempt at fan service solely.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: StevenB on November 27, 2017, 05:36:08 pm
Oda just really likes drawing animals
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on November 27, 2017, 05:41:38 pm
Don’t know what to tell you, I guess. This series already has mermaids, robots, angels, zombies, giants, people who are 20 feet tall but somehow don’t count as giants, an entire country populated by transvestites, and magic fruit that makes you shoot confetti out of your butt. Seems weird to suddenly draw the line at furries.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Mgbenz on November 27, 2017, 05:56:50 pm
i wish i care enough. the minks are the most uninteresting race oda has introduced in one piece imo. almost every piece of media has anthropomorphic characters, its a very unoriginal gimmick, especially if it isn't used to explore something more interesting (much like how fishmen were used for a racism theme). i don't know about you guys but to me they seem like an attempt at fan service solely.
So the amazons and mermaids aren't unoriginal and fanservice now? And anthro animals have been a thing in the series since the zoans were introduced with Chopper but it's now suddenly an idea only made for fanservice because they made an entire race of them? That statement also implies that the entire race is made up of sexy men and women but unless you are a furry then none of the male minks come even close to being shown as fanservice. Also only two female minks were prominent characters (there's that nurse Chopper had a crush on but who cares).
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on November 27, 2017, 06:31:59 pm
i wish i care enough. the minks are the most uninteresting race oda has introduced in one piece imo. almost every piece of media has anthropomorphic characters, its a very unoriginal gimmick, especially if it isn't used to explore something more interesting (much like how fishmen were used for a racism theme). i don't know about you guys but to me they seem like an attempt at fan service solely.
Fishmen were pretty underdeveloped for years. Before Fishman Island explained their society, their biology and their relationship with mermen and humans, fishmen were just a handful of weirdos whose only extraordinary qualities were having gills and being 10x stronger than humans.
I'm pretty sure Oda has something interesting planned for the Minks. Specially since they're apparently connected to everything plot-relevant on the long run (poneglyphs, the voice of all things, Roger pirates).
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on December 02, 2017, 03:07:43 am
Dammit Bege, stop being so badass! This whole arc is your fault in the first place! You're not supposed to be the cool guy!
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RIP in peace until Oda decides you survived that attack, Pound. You the real MVP.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on December 02, 2017, 04:17:43 am
Back when the supernovas were introduced, I didn't care for any of them. Okay, Drake having a t-rex zoan was pretty cool, but still.
Seeing how Oda fleshed out Bege and Law, I'm really pumped for the eventual Kidd-Hawkins-Heart Pirates-Fire Tank Pirates (maybe)-SH alliance versus X-Drake, Apoo and Kaido's crew. It'd also be cool if Oda finally showed why Bonney was so important for the WG. I mean, it's been years and we still haven't heard jack shit about why she's so valuable. Please tell me I'm not the only one who fucking loves that scene were both Pudding and Vito fangasm over Sanji lifting the cake with his leg.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on December 03, 2017, 12:55:39 am
Yeah, the general fanboying over Sanji was pretty great all around.
According to Oda, before they make it to Wano the next arc after WCI is going to be the Reverie. Meaning we're not going to see Zoro again for another year and a half. I'm hoping that whatever's going on with Bonney will be brought up then.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on December 08, 2017, 05:51:52 pm
so carrot transformed, that was... something. given how oda treats his female characters, i honestly never expected her to be this powerful.
anyways, i really don't like how oda tries to cover multiple subplots in one chapter, it makes for a really frustrating weekly read. i would really prefer to have more focused chapters.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on December 08, 2017, 06:35:44 pm
t'was a bit disappointing. I expected Oda to do a bit more than just make Carrot go SSJ3.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Infinite Daze on December 08, 2017, 07:17:37 pm
I Don't mind the SSJ3 Carrot that much because I am looking forward to seeing more of the minks moon lion transformations that we could possibly see further down the line in maybe Wano. We could possibly get to see a Nekomamushi, Inuarashi, Wanda, Pekoms or Sicilian transformation down the line. After this chapter, I am just wondering what is exactly going on with Big Mom slimming down right now, and Perospero looking a bit disturbed because of this. Maybe Big Mom kills Perospero next because he did lie about the Strawhats had the cake and she said he would pay with his life if they didn't.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on December 08, 2017, 11:25:32 pm
WE RABBIT NOW, BOYS!
Seriously, that chapter was crazy amounts of hype. I've never been so glad to be wrong on a prediction, because Carrot's ceylon form is so much cooler than the feral were-rabbit transformation I was expecting. And she was so badass! She didn't even use her gauntlets! She took down an entire ship full of Big Mom's crew members and snapped their freaking helm off in a split second with her bare hands! I know I'm geeking out right now but that was just so cool. I can't wait for the next chapter. Daifuku's gonna get his shit pushed in by Carrot and it's going to be amazing.
Also, for me this pretty much cements my expectations that Carrot's going to be the 11th Straw Hat. Oda's never given this level of focus and detail on any character who wasn't sticking around for the long haul.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on December 22, 2017, 11:45:21 pm
damn that last panel is gonna give me nightmares, big mom looked more like a zombie than anything. also, kudos to sanji for being an honorable motherfucker, we all know how well that ended up the last time he was like that (http://s3.narvii.com/image/icofo6dtd2khj3gc7f7cz22inlkgblbj_hq.jpg).
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on December 23, 2017, 12:01:07 am
Okay. So.
I know this whole arc is focusing on Sanji primarily, and Luffy vs Katakuri has been taking a lot of hype, and everyone's excited to see what the new crew members will do. But can we just take a minute to appreciate how fucking godlike Brook has been in this arc?
- He managed to steal the poneglyphs right out from under the BM crew's nose. - He faced Big Mom herself one-on-one, with no hesitation, and lived to talk about it. - He was the one who smashed the picture of Mother Carmel. - And now he's helped Carrot take out Daifuku's fleet and get back to the Sunny before her sulong form killed her.
For real, this arc is the best that Brook has ever been. I've always loved his design and his character, but up until now he's always kind of seemed like dead weight. (YOHOHOHOO)
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(https://i.imgur.com/gfiYmnT.png)
Carrot 4 nakama 10,000,000,000% confirmed.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on December 23, 2017, 12:28:33 am
Oda didn't really know what to do with Brook before this arc, but he's really nailing it now. His hodgepog of weird powers finally has some use!
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Infinite Daze on December 23, 2017, 01:03:07 am
So far, Brook definitely looks like he will be the mvp of the whole cake arc. I would most likely give Jimbei a second place.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: StevenB on December 23, 2017, 11:44:30 am
I know this whole arc is focusing on Sanji primarily, and Luffy vs Katakuri has been taking a lot of hype, and everyone's excited to see what the new crew members will do. But can we just take a minute to appreciate how fucking godlike Brook has been in this arc?
- He managed to steal the poneglyphs right out from under the BM crew's nose. - He faced Big Mom herself one-on-one, with no hesitation, and lived to talk about it. - He was the one who smashed the picture of Mother Carmel. - And now he's helped Carrot take out Daifuku's fleet and get back to the Sunny before her sulong form killed her.
For real, this arc is the best that Brook has ever been. I've always loved his design and his character, but up until now he's always kind of seemed like dead weight. (YOHOHOHOO)
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Carrot 4 nakama 10,000,000,000% confirmed.
I've really been enjoying this too. The Straw Hats have always been made up of direct fighters like Luffy and Sanji and support members like Robin, Nami and Brook. I'm glad the support roels are no longer being underplayed.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on December 29, 2017, 02:40:51 am
Brook once again being a strong contender for GOAT. I never want to get off Mr. Bones' Wild Ride.
This is the kind of fight scene I love to see. All the main characters teaming up, using their unique abilities in tandem to wreck shit. I don't think there's been a fight like this since Oars back in Thriller Bark.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on December 29, 2017, 05:41:39 pm
And Brooke keeps pulling new powers out of thin air. If Enel ever comes back from the moon he'll be useless against two SH.
Jinbe continues to be a badass. Ridiculously skilled helmsman/surfer, extremely useful at sea and against DF users and now we know he has the haki to block a Yonko's attack and his fishman karate is strong enough to blow Big Mom away.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on December 29, 2017, 11:18:37 pm
The electricity thing? That's not exactly new. They've been using Brook as a lightning rod since Thriller Bark.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on January 12, 2018, 12:56:43 pm
Yet another Charlotte sibling gets introduced in the eleventh hour. This one does bring some unfortunate implications with her, though.
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(https://i.imgur.com/2QON1IK.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/edVKLVC.jpg)
So if Flambe is the 33rd daughter and Pudding is the 35th, that means she has to be older than Pudding, right? And if Flambe is only 15 years old...
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on January 12, 2018, 01:18:39 pm
we can atleast rationalize it as a political marriage that was forced on them lol
i really don't like how the luffy vs katakuri fight is getting dragged with barely any progress on luffy's part. just zone out like you did with enel and beat the shit out of him damn it!
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: President Devon on January 12, 2018, 01:31:16 pm
The only implication I see is that Oda made an error.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on January 12, 2018, 01:50:15 pm
Yeah, this sounds like the kind of thing that gets retconned in the tankobons. Specially when you consider male and female children have separate tallies, so Pudding could be much younger than her.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on January 12, 2018, 03:26:17 pm
The only implication I see is that Oda made an error.
Oh, I know. But until it gets fixed I’m gonna have a good laugh at the fact that Oda accidentally made one of his main characters try to marry an uncomfortably curvaceous 12 year old. :P
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Infinite Daze on January 12, 2018, 04:56:15 pm
The only implication I see is that Oda made an error.
Oh, I know. But until it gets fixed I’m gonna have a good laugh at the fact that Oda accidentally made one of his main characters try to marry an uncomfortably curvaceous 12 year old. :P
I hope it's a typo, didn't they have a typo a few weeks ago on Bavarois?
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on January 15, 2018, 11:12:39 pm
And they fixed it. (https://twitter.com/Eiichiro_Staff/status/952769448112357376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.rawgit.com%2Fs9e%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fmaster%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23952769448112357376) Flambe is the 36th daughter, which would put Pudding somewhere in the 16 - 19 age range. No more pedo Sanji jokes.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on January 27, 2018, 02:36:22 am
New chapter's out
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Smoothie is finally going to do something. Is Sanji sitting this one out?
Not telling Sanji about Pedro's """death""" looks like a convenient set up for his return.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on January 27, 2018, 03:21:17 am
I feel like Brook lying about Pedro's death was so that Sanji didn't lose his focus while they're still being attacked. If he found out Pedro died during the rescue attempt, he'd probably lose it.
There is actually a good reason why Smoothie hasn't done anything yet: Because she's beautiful. (http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire3/08c562ce4b64bdd8395874657a2fabfc1227731341_full.jpg) Oda won't ever let any of his male good guy characters attack a pretty woman. It's why Zoro couldn't finish off Monet but Tashigi could, or how Usopp can beat the stuffing out of Miss Merry Christmas but he had to scare Perona into submission without actually hurting her. Whatever his reasons are, Oda will only let pretty girls fight other pretty girls. Since Nami and Carrot are nowhere near Sweet Commander level yet, Smoothie hasn't had anyone that could fight her.
That being said, it's pretty easy to guess what's going to happen next. Smoothie's fleet will start to catch up to the Sunny, and then Germa shows up at the last second. While Judge and the bros take out the fodder, Smoothie will get her big fight scene against the only character who's both strong enough and beautiful enough to fight her: Reiju.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on February 02, 2018, 02:44:08 pm
i liked this chapter alot. it doesn't split itself apart trying to cover multiple subplot and instead just focuses on moving the luffy vs katakuri one. although i do find flambe's 180 turn on her brother to be completely ridiculous and stupid. oda couldn't have chosen a faster way to make me completely hate a character.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on February 02, 2018, 10:10:48 pm
IDC about Flambe herself, but having Katakuri maim himself 'cause honor seems like a pretty shitty way to level the field between Luffy and him and sell us the unavoidable Luffy victory.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on February 03, 2018, 12:02:43 am
Yeah, not a fan of Flambe at all. The last thing this arc needed was a stuck-up ojousama type character.
I really don't know what to think about this turn of events. Katakuri's entire schtick was his huge, unbreakable pride, wasn't it? He killed 3 people just because they saw him look a little bit uncool. And now all of the sudden he's debasing and humiliating himself in front of his sister and subordinates and throwing everything away because... why? Because he might kill the guy he's been trying to kill for the last 24 hours? I'm sure it's supposed to be some nonsense about honor or respect but I don't really think it fits with his character.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on February 03, 2018, 07:21:49 am
im fine with his sudden samurai shtick. he's a prideful and strong character. when he saw someone who can go toe to toe with him, he respected him and wanted to fight him on equal terms.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Infinite Daze on February 08, 2018, 02:21:38 pm
I read 894 this morning... and all I can say is wow... This might be the best WCI chapter. I love how Oda seems to be wrapping things up a little.Can't wait to see snake man. Big mom is looking like Brulee... Why the hell did Smoothie turn into a giant? I'm just really looking forward to the next chapter.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gladiacloud on February 08, 2018, 02:23:26 pm
Why the hell did Smoothie turn into a giant? I'm just really looking forward to the next chapter.
My theory is that one of Big Mom's sons could have the power to increase or reduce people's size.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on February 08, 2018, 08:00:57 pm
Word has it her DF allows her suck up juice and not just drain it from others.
I like how this chapter finally addresses that whole "observation haki lets the user understand others' emotions" that is brought up from time to time, but never really explained.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on February 08, 2018, 08:43:18 pm
oh jeez another transformation form... as if gear forth wasn't bad enough. please oda don't turn this into dragon ball z.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: President Devon on February 08, 2018, 09:57:03 pm
It's just different applications of the same thing, it's not like the new transformation is going to be "stronger" than the original Boundman, it's just that it's going to be better suited to this style of fight.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on February 08, 2018, 11:19:38 pm
It might have something to do with the Snake Shot he used on Hody Jones back on Fishman Island:
Letting his rubber body wobble back and forth at random to counter Katakuri's predictive abilities. Kinda like the Gum Gum Octopus move he used on Enel back on the day, just souped up with haki.
Luffy and Katakuri's conversation at the end was a little hard to follow. It seemed like they've started predicting each other so much that now they're guessing what the other's going to say and replying before they finish talking. Sounds like everything's finally about to wrap up, though.
:EDIT: Something just occurred to me about the cover story. If the Tontatta Corps are going to be King Riku's escorts to the Reverie, isn't that going to be a huge problem? They're going to have a crew flying the Straw Hat's jolly roger sailing into the single biggest World Government meeting as representatives of Dressrosa. I wonder if that's going to come up in the next arc.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on February 16, 2018, 12:51:45 pm
New chapter's out.
Snakeman was...disappointing.
otoh
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MOCHI DONUT
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on February 16, 2018, 01:43:25 pm
IDK, I thought it was cool enough. No idea why it gave him fabulous Super Saiyan hair, but I like how the design incorporated the Gear 2nd steam as a nod to it being a speed-based power up rather than strength-based like Bounce Man.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Infinite Daze on February 16, 2018, 02:24:29 pm
Katakuri might be the Coolest character EVER... That is all.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on March 02, 2018, 01:33:23 pm
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And that's a wrap on mochi boi. That was probably the best way this fight could have possibly ended. Luffy scores the last hit, and they both go down for the count. Katakuri is the first to get up, but no longer has the stamina to keep fighting and goes down again. For a fight against someone so vastly superior to Luffy, ending in a draw was the best he could hope for.
And hey, now we know why Oda insisted on making Luffy wear two hats for the entire time. What a fucking bro move.
The Mysterious Savior Nazoms is so cool and enigmatic. I wonder if he knows Sogeking.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on March 10, 2018, 01:49:38 am
New chapter's out!
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The Germa 66 finally does something.
Also Pekom's transformation was so fucking pointless, but I kinda liked that. This guy can't catch a break, can't he?
And that's a wrap on mochi boi. That was probably the best way this fight could have possibly ended. Luffy scores the last hit, and they both go down for the count. Katakuri is the first to get up, but no longer has the stamina to keep fighting and goes down again. For a fight against someone so vastly superior to Luffy, ending in a draw was the best he could hope for.
That was dumb, imo. Oda tried too hard to sell this as a draw with noth characters standing up and going down, but no matter how you look at it Luffy won, and did so with an asspull transformation at the last second. I'd much rather have Luffy run away from Katakuri or have his ass saved by third party if Oda was so hellbent on keeping Katakuri as an otherwordly badass.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on March 10, 2018, 03:31:11 am
Also Pekom's transformation was so fucking pointless, but I kinda liked that. This guy can't catch a break, can't he?
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Makes you wonder how he got a bounty as high as 330,000,000, doesn't it? Although he might not be down for the count yet. One thing I did notice is that during the scene when all those attacks hit him off-panel was that there wasn't any blood splatter shown. He might be using his turtle devil fruit powers to tank those hits.
Either way, it makes Carrot's transformation way more impressive if Pekoms is the typical level for a sulong.
:EDIT: GO GO GERMA RANGERS!
Not to belabor a point or anything, but check out who's in the crow's nest again. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on March 24, 2018, 12:24:28 am
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WADATSUMI
Out of fucking NOWHERE.
Big Mom's been pretty much crushed after this arc's over, right? Her main crew (her children) are being decimated left and right, she's losing fodder soldiers by the hundreds of thousands, she's lost hundreds of ships, her main base of operations and several surrounding islands in her territory have been completely destroyed, and now the civilians of Totto Land are all evacuating and likely never to return, meaning she's now also lost her means of producing new homies. And to top it all off, Morgans escaped so he's going to tell the entire world what happened.
Damn. Luffy decimated a Yonko and her entire crew all for the sake of just one of his friends.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on March 24, 2018, 02:14:48 am
I think they've lost more street cred than real resources. Territory can be reclaimed, more fodder can be enlisted (not that it matters in the world of OP) and the backbone of her organization is still alive and well, except for Perospero who wasn't that much of a fighter to begin with (props for taking the loss of his arm like a champ, tho).
Even if Perospero's mooks can't stop the spread of the news of the SH and Firetank Pirates playing BM's crew like a fiddle and living to tell the tale, Big Mom won't stop being a Yonko.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on March 24, 2018, 02:38:54 am
But it could tip the scales for her to get run over by the Marines, or even Blackbeard. Since power scaling in this series runs off of perceived threat levels more than actual displays of strength, once the news breaks that Straw Hat Luffy rolled in with only half of his crew and completely upended her whole operation it's going to make Big Mom appear weak, at least for the time being. Someone more inclined to actually take her out could easily roll in before the dust finishes settling now.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on March 24, 2018, 03:38:32 am
When you get to Yonko level, individual strength does seem to matter a lot. Shanks is a one-armed bum who is more interested in getting drunk with his buddies and slacking off than conquering territory or amassing military power, and yet when the marines were giving the choice between fighting him (and his core crew members) or backing the fuck off, they wisely choose to back the fuck off.
The only Yonko who apparently owes most of his power to his crew and leadership skills rather brute force is Blackbeard, and we don't know just how strong he is now, considering he's been absorbing fruit powers during the timeskip.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on March 24, 2018, 12:06:38 pm
Even so, no matter how strong or even invincible Big Mom is by herself it's going to take some time before she can get things up and running again. I mean, between the Straw Hats and Germa she's lost literally hundreds of thousands of soldiers. Even if fodder doesn't mean anything in One Piece, that kind of manpower can't just be replaced overnight. Same goes for rebuilding all those ships and islands. The loss of the civilians, and therefore the loss of the means to make more homies, also seems huge to me. Big Mom uses those things for everything from soldiers to weapons to ships. Her whole operation is so centralized around the homies that not having them could slow recovery to a crawl.
Plus, Blackbeard is highly opportunistic. If word gets out that Big Mom's crew and territories are in disarray, and that all but one of her commanders have been taken out of action, what's to stop him from swooping in to steal all of the powerful devil fruits she's got under her control?
I guess I'm just looking at this from an extra-narrative level to think how Big Mom could be taken out of the picture after WCI, since after all of this I can't really imagine Oda doing a second arc for her once this is all over.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on March 24, 2018, 03:47:39 pm
i think big mom is gonna forgive the strawhats and let them leave because of how tasty the cake is. there is no other way oda can make the strawhats get away with what they did to her. this is the same woman who kills the relatives of the people who don't show up to her tea parties, the strawhats did much much worse than that.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Infinite Daze on March 24, 2018, 04:53:19 pm
Big Mom is enraged right now but she also seems weakened from what we saw of her directly after the wedding. Oda made Perospero give 3 examples of what would happen once Big Mom eats the cake but most likely these are all misdirects. I think he will give some kind of mixture of the 3 options. (Ex) Big Mom eats the cake and maybe her guard is down from the bliss of the cake she has been chasing for hours. Then Capone could possibly come in and deliver the some kind of final blow. Maybe her strength is regained and she kills Capone. She might eat the cake and it turns her into a peaceful pacifist ever. The Cake has been getting chased since 873, I just look forward to getting a conclusion to it.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on March 24, 2018, 06:31:24 pm
My theory is that Big Mom will pass out once she eats the cake, which her underlings will mistake for her dying from poisoning, causing mass panic. Combine that with the Sun Pirate's intervention and the SH have a clean exit.
Then Oda can use her remaining children trying hold a funeral as a cover mini-series culminating on Big Mom waking up pissed off and swearing revenge against the SH.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on March 24, 2018, 07:00:47 pm
That... is actually a really good idea. Totally plausible, too. I can already picture the panel with Big Mom bursting out of the ground with Perospero and Mont-d'Or doing the Enel face.
Another thing that just occurred to me: Sanji has been strangely unconcerned about Pudding's well-being since she made that "last request." It's probably safe to assume she erased all of his memories of her, yeah? Or at the very least altered them. I wonder how that'll play out when she inevitably gets brought up by the rest of the crew after they escape.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: President Devon on March 30, 2018, 10:08:26 am
New chapter is out on JaiminisBox.
Break next week.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on March 30, 2018, 04:32:46 pm
Oh, Big Mom didn't pass out. So much for my theory.
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the Germa effective bullets is a complete asspull. If they had these plot convenient bullets all along why didn't BM's pirates use them in the first place? You'd think the teambin charge of taking over their shit wouldn't have been curbstomped so bad if they used them.
Why can't the Germa 66 do anything right on-screen?
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on March 30, 2018, 06:08:38 pm
Wow, I can’t believe that this is how One Piece ends. Bold move on Oda’s Part.
the Germa effective bullets is a complete asspull. If they had these plot convenient bullets all along why didn't BM's pirates use them in the first place? You'd think the teambin charge of taking over their shit wouldn't have been curbstomped so bad if they used them.
Why can't the Germa 66 do anything right on-screen?
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They have had those bullets all along. That’s how Pudding managed to subdue Reiju before the wedding. The reason they didn’t have them ready for this fight was because as far as they knew Germa had already been destroyed by Nusstorte’s fleet. As for why he didn’t use them in the first place, it’s probably because the BM pirates had been assuming all along that they could just overwhelm Germa with sheer manpower.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on March 31, 2018, 05:10:59 am
Really? I assumed it was a common gun, and the reason why it worked on Reiju is because she doesn't have the same superhuman skin as Ichiji, Niji and the other sibling. So, for how long do you think Oda will keep the facade? Will Luffy's crew be sound and safe in two weeks or will Oda really jump to the Wano Strawhats for a while before bringing Luffy "back to life"?
If he's serious about this, I could see him bringing the MIA SH back at the turn of the 1,000th chapter.
(Didn't Ace die around the 500th chapter?)
Oh and Franky's dream is dead now. RIP.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: President Devon on March 31, 2018, 06:39:06 am
Really? I assumed it was a common gun, and the reason why it worked on Reiju is because she doesn't have the same superhuman skin as Ichiji, Niji and the other sibling.
I don't see why she wouldn't have, the skin is the basis of their superhuman strength, and Reiju was bending steel bars when she was just a kid.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on March 31, 2018, 11:15:40 am
it seems like big mom is gonna go into the same fit that made her eat her friends and that priestess when she was a kid. she'll probably start eating her crew members and whatever ships that are next to her, which will hopefully allow the strawhats to regroup...
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on March 31, 2018, 01:06:11 pm
Really? I assumed it was a common gun, and the reason why it worked on Reiju is because she doesn't have the same superhuman skin as Ichiji, Niji and the other sibling.
Yeah. Something about "candy-jacketed bullets" that are basically ultra armor-piercing rounds, IIRC.
:EDIT: Yup, found it. Chapter 851:
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So, for how long do you think Oda will keep the facade? Will Luffy's crew be sound and safe in two weeks or will Oda really jump to the Wano Strawhats for a while before bringing Luffy "back to life"?
If he's serious about this, I could see him bringing the MIA SH back at the turn of the 1,000th chapter.
(Didn't Ace die around the 500th chapter?)
Oh and Franky's dream is dead now. RIP.
It's unclear how much of what we're seeing in this chapter is actually happening. Big Mom is clearly hallucinating right now, and it keeps cutting between whatever she's seeing and vague shots of the actual battle. I'm not saying that none of it is actually happening, but I think this chapter was designed to be misleading about what's going on. I don't feel like Oda's going to cut away from the arc after this.
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Post by: Foobs on April 13, 2018, 04:18:46 pm
New chapter's out
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I preferred the "Big Mom is trippin' balls" theory over what we got.
So Wadatsuki pulled the Thousand Sunny and replaced it with Fisher Tiger's boat...so fast the SH and the boat didn't suffer any meaningful damage? sounds like bullshit.
And jfc Oda, you teased Jinbe joining the SH for so long and now that he's finally in he has to go back to his crew, probably disappearing from the story for years?
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Post by: R565 on April 13, 2018, 05:52:01 pm
Man, out all the ways to pull that off, he picked the bullshittiest way...and now it's just bleh.
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Post by: Infinite Daze on April 13, 2018, 06:09:58 pm
I figured that Oda would pull a bait and switch. I'm just so damn tired of him prolonging Jimbei joining the straw hats...And the cake pay off was so weak, it just literally made big mom calm down back to her normal mode and on the chase...
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Post by: Person Man on April 13, 2018, 11:59:49 pm
So... that certainly was a chapter.
I'm fine with the Wadatsumi switcheroo that we got. IMO, it's way better than the Big Mom hallucination/Pudding memory wipe/Future vision haki theories that were running around because there is no bigger copout than the lazy "it was all a dream" ending.
What really bugs me is the fact that the cake appears to have done literally nothing. They spent, what, the last 30 chapters or so frantically trying to make the damn thing and get it to her, and now after all this time it had almost 0 actual effect on Big Mom or the situation in general. This was built up as Sanji's big shining moment and all it amounted to was a mild distraction at best.
About Jinbe staying behind to protect his former crew and that whole exchange with Luffy, as infinitely frustrating as it is, I have to admit that it's totally in character for both of them so I can't really complain too much. Best case scenario, the next chapter will be Jinbe and the fishboys clearing house while the Sunny gets away and then he either catches up with the Sunny or makes it to Wano before them. At least he's been officially recognized as a member of the crew, so now Oda will never let him die.
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Praline trolling her big brother was low-key the best moment in the whole chapter, tho.
(https://i.imgur.com/qTUKhrg.png)
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Post by: R565 on April 14, 2018, 12:44:23 am
Agreed. Low-Key the best.
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Post by: Person Man on April 21, 2018, 12:12:44 am
I guess we can officially call it a wrap on Whole Cake Island. That was a really nice chapter to tie things up while leaving just enough loose threads for the Big Mom Pirate's inevitable return in Elbaf.
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Oh man, that part where Carrot's trying to comfort Sanji over Pedro's death even though it's hurting her the most and she's petting his head because that's what makes her feel better and SWEET RABBIT CHILD TOO PURE FOR THIS FALLEN WORLD :qq:
That scene at the very end with Zeff actually helped me to re-contextualize what made the cake so important. Even if it didn't actually stop Big Mom, that's not what it was really about. She was hungry and Sanji fed her, consequences be damned, just like with Don Krieg. It was about Sanji sticking to his principles as a chef of never allowing someone in front of him to go hungry.
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Post by: Foobs on April 21, 2018, 01:13:41 am
It was a nice ending.
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I find it a bit odd how Sanji's chosen to mourn Pedro along Carrot when they never really had much interaction, Brook or Chopper seem more appropriate. I guess Oda really wanted to focus on Sanji in this chapter.
Katakuri's and Brulee's conversation was sweet too. I wish we had seen more of the BM pirates in their childhood.
BTW when was it mentioned that Katakuri, Oven and Daifuku are triplets? I only found out just now while checking their ages in the wiki.
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Post by: Person Man on April 21, 2018, 02:03:38 pm
It was probably in an SBS or something. That's where most of the trivial info about the Charlotte family seems to have come from.
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About the Sanji/Pedro thing, it's sort of implied that they interacted more on Zou than what was actually shown, but I think the idea was that Sanji felt guilty that Pedro died while trying to save him, even if he didn't know him that well.
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Post by: Gennos on April 22, 2018, 01:17:39 pm
nice chapter. i hope zeff is safe from big mom tho, i'd really hate it if she went after him for what the strawhats did to her. seeing them juxtaposed together like that made my eyes tears, reminded me of the barate arc.
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Post by: President Devon on April 28, 2018, 01:31:32 am
We got an early release of 903, so expect 904 to be delayed a week. Then I'd say Oda will take his break after that.
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The Whole Cake arc tripled Luffy's bounty, Nami now owns Zeus and Sanji has a raid suit. It looks like the fate of the Fishmen is ambiguous so Jinbe can make a big return at Wano.
Also looks like we'll have the Reverie arc next.
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Post by: Foobs on April 28, 2018, 02:22:51 am
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Cool, we finally see Coby and what's-his-name again. And they're STRONK now. Vivi, Shirahoshi & King Neptune,the Drum Kingdom folk, Croco and everyone else getting a little bit of the spotlight was nice too. Most other arcs' epilogue just show a handful of characters but offer little to no dialogue so you don't really feel how absurdly huge the world of OP really is, nor how the SH have changed it.
I think Oda jumped the shark by calling Luffy the Fifth Yonko. It feels like he isn't quite there yet, considering he only defeated BM's commanders by the skin of his teeth.
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Post by: Person Man on April 28, 2018, 03:48:26 am
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Couple of thoughts:
My boys Coby and Helmeppo are all grown up, and they're wrecking shit. Crazy how Oda can take these two chumps from the very first story arc twenty years ago and turn them into badasses now.
Can't wait for when Sanji inevitably puts on that raid suit and takes his rightful place as the Yellow Germa Ranger.
So Nami actually did keep Zeus after all, and he lives in her Clima-Tact now. Holy LOL, the weakest Straw Hat just got the most insane power-up.
Interesting that Oda chose to include Crocodile's reaction to the news. With Alabasta about to jump back into the spotlight, I wonder if he'll be showing up again soon. Always good to see Bartolomeo make an appearance too, because Bartolomeo is the raddest motherfucker.
I think Oda jumped the shark by calling Luffy the Fifth Yonko. It feels like he isn't quite there yet, considering he only defeated BM's commanders by the skin of his teeth.
I don't think that's actually Oda himself declaring Luffy a Yonko. It's more likely it's a bit of embellishment in the newspaper. After all:
(http://i.imgur.com/3bmdLwG.png)
Big Bird over here was fanboying Luffy pretty hard at the tail end of the escape. He's clearly exaggerating what actually happened for the sake of his story.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on April 28, 2018, 04:12:58 am
TBF he's reporting to the best of his knowledge. He didn't know Luffy had assistance while fighting Cracker (and a stupidly unfair match-up against him), or how Katakuri only lost because he crippled himself, or how the SH joining the Fire Tank Pirates was a last minute decision and the Germa 66 jumping in was even more serendipitous.
From an outsider's perspective Luffy is a fearless but cold and calculating motherfucker who controls the Fire Tank Pirates, has the Germa 66's military strength at his beck and call, arranged Sanji's wedding as a complex set-up to assassinate Big Mom, defeated two of her strongest men (two of the strongest men in the world) with his bare hands and lived to tell the tale; on top of being the "leader" of the Straw Hat Grand Fleet and all his previous feats. Nobody in-universe, other than his own allies and the upper echelon of BM's pirates, knows how much of his success is due to dumb luck.
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Post by: Person Man on May 11, 2018, 01:32:59 pm
Something about the fact that the ultra-serious, grim faced Dragon had to relocate his base to Flaming Transvestite Island is really funny to me. Now to see whether he actually does anything for once.
The revolutionary commanders are cool and all, but after Dressrosa and Whole Cake Island I was really looking forward to Reverie being an arc that wasn't 80% new characters that need to be developed.
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Post by: President Devon on May 11, 2018, 01:48:57 pm
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Betty being a buffer is fucking awesome, I really like that power.
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Post by: Foobs on May 11, 2018, 05:38:42 pm
I'm not crazy about these new character designs and I really don't want them to take the spotlight away from the revolutionaries we already know, considering we've seen so little from Sabo and Ivankov and pretty much nothing from Koala and Dragon.
Betty being a buffer is fucking awesome, I really like that power.
That'd be a pretty cool power in a different setting, but large armies are almost completely useless in One Piece.
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Post by: Person Man on May 12, 2018, 12:15:30 am
^ You have to admit that the power to rally people to rise up and fight against their oppressors is thematically pretty damn spot-on for a group of revolutionaries, though.
I just hope these new commanders don't steal too much page time away from the major players. For Reverie to live up to what it's been made out to be, it really needs to focus on Vivi and Dragon as the sole main characters. Vivi's big comeback at the Reverie has been hyped up for a while now, so she really should be the focal point of the political discussion parts of it, and if the RA is finally making a move, Dragon needs to actually do something besides glower ominously.
Also, I just realized that the village girl from this chapter is the milk seller girl from Ace's cover story. Oda sure does love his 15 year callbacks.
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Post by: Foobs on May 12, 2018, 05:13:09 am
It IS a pretty clever way to tie the main thematical concepts of the character as revolutionary and flag bearer with her Devil Fruit, no doubt.
I just don't see Oda doing much with it since his army fights are either glossed over (like every single time the Germa did something) or just work as background noise to the main characters' fights.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on May 15, 2018, 12:11:29 am
Some insane genius went through the entire canon of One Piece and put together a definitive timeline (https://thelibraryofohara.com/2018/05/14/one-piece-timeline/) of the story's world, from the creation of the world and the founding of the oldest civilizations all they way up to the current chapters. It details every major character's births and deaths, significant historical moments, and even breaks down the order of simultaneous events for extremely eventful single days, like in Alabasta and Whole Cake Island.
It's actually really cool. There's so much history and backstory baked into One Piece that it's super interesting to look at it as a whole and see the kind of major things that were coincidentally going on at the same time.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on May 15, 2018, 01:03:30 am
The craziest thing is that he's done all that work three times.
I read that guy's blog from time to time. His analysis go balls deep into all the nitty-gritty details and small throwbacks. I think he's predicted some pretty accurately, but can't think of a concrete example.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: President Devon on May 17, 2018, 07:55:09 am
According to Yonkou there is no OP chapter this week (https://twitter.com/YonkouProd/status/996943400740864000)/
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Post by: Bastard Mami on May 17, 2018, 04:33:15 pm
So, it looks like I choose i really good time to catch up. Still missing zoro, tho.
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Post by: Person Man on May 17, 2018, 11:22:16 pm
I'm almost hoping that the joke becomes real and Zoro somehow crashes into the Reverie because he got lost on the way to Wano.
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Post by: Bastard Mami on May 18, 2018, 04:10:43 pm
I love that ranma two part ova, where akane and ranma travel to a forest in the middle of nowhere to solve an orochi related problem. Then tehf irst half ends with ryouga joining them because he got fucking lost and endedup there too.
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Post by: Person Man on May 25, 2018, 01:07:09 pm
Oda why would you draw a character in a huge goofy sombrero and a serape and name him King Tacos. You can't just do that, Oda.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on May 25, 2018, 04:43:23 pm
Mexicans aren't anywhere as thin skinned as you gringos think them to be (actually, pretty much nobody is as thin skinned as you...think them to be).
(https://imgur.com/GUfhnew.jpg)
This guy still is a beloved cultural icon in Mexico and Latin America.
King Tacos fucking owns. I hope his anime debut includes mariachi music.
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Post by: Gennos on May 25, 2018, 08:59:39 pm
pretty much most of the royals and their kingdoms are stereotypes. the russwan king dressed his daughters like stacking dolls (lol), the ballywood king is obviously based on abraham lincoln, and albasta has middle eastern setting. oda is just introducing young japanese readers to other cultures in a fun cartoony way.
also lets not forget how orlumbus is folding his pajamas like a boss lol
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Post by: Bastard Mami on May 25, 2018, 09:50:36 pm
I hope King Tacos sells tacos because otherwise Don Sarape would have been a better name.
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Post by: Person Man on May 25, 2018, 11:50:34 pm
Mexicans aren't anywhere as thin skinned as you gringos think them to be (actually, pretty much nobody is as thin skinned as you...think them to be).
It's not that, I just can't help but facepalm at how ham-fisted it is. Same goes for the American king being literally Abe Lincoln dressed as Uncle Sam, surrounded by a posse of fat, gun-toting cowboys. Oda's usually a bit more clever than that when he incorporates cultural stuff into One Piece.
Is anyone else confused as to the timeline of events here? Last chapter, Sabo was at the Kamabakka kingdom, waiting for the four commanders to show up, and Reverie was two days away. Now suddenly he's at Mariejois, along with Karasu and Morley, and now Betty's in Kamabakka seeming like she's waiting on him.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on June 01, 2018, 08:57:17 pm
sooo the treasure is a giant hat??? what does that imply? that the monkey d bloodline hails from giants?
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Post by: Person Man on June 02, 2018, 03:21:17 am
Man, you put Rebecca and Shirahoshi in the same room and it really underlines how they are the exact same character, doesn't it?
This chapter had everything I wanted to see in the Reverie: all these old characters coming back into the spotlight, some reuniting and others meeting for the first time. Dalton and Wapol's confrontation, Luffy's ever-growing princess harem finally meeting up, Sai and Leo meeting back up as "brothers," even seeing Charloss creeping on Shirahoshi. It's so cool.
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So the big national treasure of Mariejois, the one that could destroy the entire world, the one so important that Doflamingo is just chilling in jail waiting to be assassinated over it is... a straw hat. A straw hat that looks just like Luffy's, only a lot bigger. And they're keeping in cryostasis for some reason. TBH, I have no idea what this could mean. Is Luffy's hat actually more than just a promise to Shanks? There's so many different things this could mean, I have no idea where to begin.
Gonna call it right now, though: I'm betting that the hat in Mariejois belonged to Joy Boy.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on June 02, 2018, 04:31:12 am
Maybe the hat is a redherring and the real treasure lies underneath it?
Maybe the hat is Uranus?
Maybe the hat is the spaceship the people from the moon used to come back to earth?
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on June 02, 2018, 01:13:20 pm
Luffy's hat is the One Piece. He was Raftel all along.
The only serious guess I can think of is that the hat in Mariejois isn't the "real" one, whatever that means, and Luffy's is. Like, they've kept this hat under lock and key for centuries because of whatever power or symbolism it has, but now that Luffy's being built up as the next emperor they're somehow only just now realizing that there's an incredibly strong and influential pirate running around calling himself "Straw Hat."
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Post by: Foobs on June 02, 2018, 04:47:37 pm
Remember that flashback of Ace gifting Oars Jr. a straw hat? Ace mentioned he learned about it on Wano. What if the straw hat is somehow related to the poneglyphs?
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Post by: Person Man on June 02, 2018, 05:44:28 pm
Maybe that's how Luffy and Roger were able to hear the Voice of All Things?
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Post by: Gennos on June 02, 2018, 09:28:36 pm
i don't think the hat has any magical abilities but i guess it symbolizes something significant to the D bloodline.
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Post by: Foobs on June 03, 2018, 03:34:55 am
If the hat has no supernatural properties whatsoever, why bother going to such ridiculous lengths to preserve it in perfect condition?
Something that has symbolic value for your enemies but no practical use is the kind of stuff you destroy when given the chance, you don't keep it stored in a strongroom below zero degrees in your holiest of holy land.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on June 03, 2018, 06:59:47 am
I know this thread is more or less only about the manga, but the anime just caught up with the tea party and...
You went full sentai. Never go full sentai.
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Post by: Foobs on June 03, 2018, 03:29:29 pm
So over the top, such a great animation. I can't believe it's Toei!
Oh wait it's still using the same SFX from DBZ's original run. Yeah, it's Toei.
(https://i.imgur.com/0HO1LAk.jpg)
The maniac grin really makes Yonji look a lot like Crocodile.
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Post by: GTOAkira on June 08, 2018, 09:25:54 pm
Man that last chapter was so good Nice to see so many old faces
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on June 08, 2018, 11:02:40 pm
New chapter's out!
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- If Big Mom and Kaidou used to hang out a long time ago, could he be the father of any of her children. - The World Noble Queen Otohime saved was related to Doflamingo and Rosinante all along kinda feels like an asspull. Well, I guess it's not that hard to believe considering real life nobles are all related to each other... - What keeps the World Nobles from killing or stealing each others' shit? Lucci and the rest of Aigis 0 didn't step in when Donquixote Mjosgard beat the living shit out of Charloss.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on June 08, 2018, 11:56:21 pm
Geez, is every single chapter of the Reverie going to end with some insane revelation or cliffhanger. Damn, Oda.
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Why is Shanks meeting with the Five Elders? Moreover, why are the Five Elders agreeing to meet with Shanks? What the actual hell is happening right now?
That aside, it's great to see Lucci and Kaku again. CP9 were always some of my favorite villains.
- If Big Mom and Kaidou used to hang out a long time ago, could he be the father of any of her children.
It's not impossible... (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZwEmMkWkAAiJwT.jpg)
I'm also interested in this "Rocks" thing. Garp says "they lost their captain." Maybe Big Mom and Kaidou were on the same crew back in their rookie days?
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What keeps the World Nobles from killing or stealing each others' shit? Lucci and the rest of Aigis 0 didn't step in when Donquixote Mjosgard beat the living shit out of Charloss.
I think Lucci is only deferential to authority to the point of following orders. Back in Enies Lobby, there were at least one or two times he actually made things worse for Spandam by not taking action or giving up information simply because he wasn't ordered to. Nobody ordered him to stop Mjosgard, so he didn't bother.
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Post by: Gennos on June 09, 2018, 08:50:24 am
What keeps the World Nobles from killing or stealing each others' shit? Lucci and the rest of Aigis 0 didn't step in when Donquixote Mjosgard beat the living shit out of Charloss.
the five elders maybe.
it was nice seeing charles getting his face smashed again. saving mjosgard didn't turn out to be such a bad move like i initially thought. although i doubt the fishmen king will ever come to the surface again.
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Post by: Gennos on June 15, 2018, 11:15:17 am
calling it now, that cloaked figure is luffy's mother.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on June 15, 2018, 01:05:39 pm
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Again with the massive revelations left on a cliffhanger. Kuma is there now? And he's being rented out as a slave by the WG, but somehow still considered a Shichibukai? And he used to be a king of a WG allied nation? And there's a connection between him and Bonney? The more Kuma appears the less we know about him.
Anyone else a little bit disappointed that the Five Elders were reduced to henchman status before we actually got to see them do anything?
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Post by: Foobs on June 15, 2018, 07:38:19 pm
Again with the massive revelations left on a cliffhanger. Kuma is there now? And he's being rented out as a slave by the WG, but somehow still considered a Shichibukai? And he used to be a king of a WG allied nation? And there's a connection between him and Bonney? The more Kuma appears the less we know about him.
Anyone else a little bit disappointed that the Five Elders were reduced to henchman status before we actually got to see them do anything?
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To add to the whole Kuma situation, is this something the WN planned to do all along because he used to be a revolutionary, or is it punishment for protecting the Straw Hat's ship? Bonney was captured by the WG, then somehow ran away, and now she's sneaking back on Mary Geoise on her own? That woman must really love pushing her luck. So, the Gorosei is considering killing King Cobra...and Im has a picture of Vivi for some reason...the future doesn't seem bright for Alabasta.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on June 15, 2018, 11:28:04 pm
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Here's another thought: What if the huge secret of Mariejois that Doflamingo keeps talking about isn't the straw hat, but this Im-sama? That throne was just introduced as a symbol of equality that tells all the member nations that there is no one true king who rules the entire world, and then Im just cold strolls up and sits on it and starts bossing around the guys we thought were the highest authority.
Doflamingo said that if the secret he knows gets out, the very knowledge of it would throw the entire world into war. What would happen if the member nations of the WG found out about this "one true king" who's been manipulating and controlling them all for who knows how long?
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on June 16, 2018, 12:44:33 am
If both of you are right then Doflamingo was getting orders from the man himself, and is the only person outside of Mary Geoise who really knows how the world works.
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Post by: Foobs on June 30, 2018, 12:08:09 am
New chapter out.
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Marco being the crews doctor surprised me. I always assumed he was the Zoro to Whitebeard's Luffy, not his Chopper (probably should've seen that one coming since they're both Zoans). For a character that inspires so much fanwank from the fanbase we really didn't know much about him.
I'm digging the feudal redesigns for the crew, specially Robin. Geisha O-Robi was something I didn't know I needed in my life:
(https://imgur.com/onrGUIG.png)
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on June 30, 2018, 12:17:50 am
The Reverie is about to begin. Bonney has infiltrated Mariejois. Kuma is being held as a slave. The World Government might be putting a hit on King Cobra. Shanks is meeting with the Five Elders. Fujitora and Ryokugyu are planning something that will abolish the Warlord system permanently. The National Treasure of Mariejois and the secret ruler of the entire world have just been revealed. Sabo and the revolutionary army are just about to stage their attack on the Celestial Dragons.
YEAH THIS SEEMS LIKE AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO SMASH CUT TO WANO, ODA.
I mean, it is nice to finally see the other half of the crew again after literally two years without them, but JEEZ. Way to leave us hanging.
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^ Ditto on O-Robi. It's a great design. Also nice to see Robin getting to do some infiltration and espionage, since that was always supposed to be her specialty after all.
I kind of like the anti-climax of the whole "Nekomamushi is going to seek out Marco" story angle. It's just a few pages where Neko sails directly to where he already knew Marco was, and Marco just says no. At least one thread gets tied up.
Marco being the crews doctor surprised me. I always assumed he was the Zoro to Whitebeard's Luffy, not his Chopper (probably should've seen that one coming since they're both Zoans). For a character that inspires so much fanwank from the fanbase we really didn't know much about him.
Well, considering how incredibly sick and unhealthy Whitebeard was at the end of his life (remember, in his first appearance he was hooked up to oxygen and multiple IVs) it does make a sort of sense that the doctor of his ship would become the closest to him.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on July 12, 2018, 03:30:42 pm
Chapter 9/11 was an inside job is out
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Oda has pulled the same trick ("crew separates at the beginning of the arc so I can cram a shitton of secondary characters") one too many times, I just want to see the SH reunited at last.
Also, his latest attempt at an emotional gut punch isn't working out. So the little girl is so poor she can't even afford rice (what the fuck), she's somehow connected to Ace and she just so happens to fall ill from poisoned water, all at once? biting more than you can chew there Oda.
On the bright side I like how Luffy acts a bit more considerate than usual. I'd expect him to chomp down on all the food without even saying thank you.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on July 12, 2018, 04:08:24 pm
Everyone: I can’t wait for Wano to start so the whole crew can finally be together again!
Oda: *separates crew even further the first chapter in.*
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Gennos on July 13, 2018, 08:34:30 am
it was cool seeing luffy's observation haki skills improving, punching that guy before he shot him. i was expecting a dodge, but luffy seemed to have somewhat reached katakuri level of future prediction. yeah, that was about the only interesting thing about this chapter.
oda should really stop using depressingly tragic and incompetent characters to tug at our heartstrings. there's other ways to make us care about them. do you mean to tell me that girl couldn't build a fishing rod or hunt small animals with her giant dog?
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on July 13, 2018, 01:04:36 pm
It's not the heavy handed "pity this poor child" schtick that bugs me about her, it's that dango thing. After Whole Cake Island, I am 1000% done with food-based devil fruits.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on July 24, 2018, 12:49:02 am
I present to you: Shokugeki no Sanji (https://readms.net/r/one_shot/Shokugeki%20no%20Sanji/5230/1?t=1&f=0&e=1). A one-shot written and drawn by the mangaka of Shokugeki no Soma to celebrate One Piece's 21st anniversary.
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No Nami or Robin foodgasm 0/10
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Post by: GTOAkira on September 29, 2018, 08:32:47 am
So new chapter is out and...
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Time travel lmao I did not think OP could be even more crazy
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on September 29, 2018, 12:59:08 pm
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Introducing time travel did certainly seem to come out of left field at first, but then I remembered this:
Back on Zou, Momonosuke claimed to have met Gol D. Roger. At the time it seemed like a throwaway gag about Momo lying to appear more important by agreeing with the grown-ups. But if he came from twenty years in the past, maybe he actually did know Roger. Oda with the stealth foreshadowing again.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on September 29, 2018, 06:29:47 pm
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The fan interpretation for the longest times has been that Momonosuke actually met Ace back when he visited Wano, and got him and Rogers mixed up. Honest mistake a kid could easily make.
Now I'm not sure we should jump on the time traveling bandwagon just yet, considering the last chapter ended on a fake out about Momo and his crew being ghosts. Maybe Kinemon is speaking figuratively? Maybe they didn't travel forward in time but were frozen or something?
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on September 29, 2018, 09:19:56 pm
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Maybe not full blown time travel, but they are for sure time-displaced. From their perspective it's only been a few months since Oden died, but that schoolteacher was teaching the children about how Oden and his retainers all died 20 years ago. Oden Castle and their "graves" are heavily dilapidated; they couldn't get that way so quickly.
Side note, but is anyone else finding the all these SMILE users to be ugly as shit? Not like poorly drawn or designed, but more like they're deformed. Seems like a pretty raw deal for the users; instead of a fully controlled animal transformation like a proper zoan, they just get random animal parts growing out of their body that they may or may not even be able to control.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on October 20, 2018, 12:54:48 am
Couple of thoughts on this week's chapter:
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O-Tsuru was actually Kin'emon's wife? Didn't see that one coming.
I'm liking the new Wano outfits everyone got this chapter. Brook's is great, but I can't help but wonder what he's supposed to be doing dressed like that.
Carrot and Chopper are being sent to meet up with Inuarashi. I'm guessing that she'll have to report to him about Pedro's death. I'm interested to see where that goes, because her interactions with the rest of the Minks will probably be what leads up to her officially joining the crew after this arc.
Lastly, what is with Oda's post-timeskip trend of making every villain pointlessly huge? First all of Doflamingo's cronies were at least 10 feet tall, then Big Mom and Katakuri right after that, and now Kaido turns into a dragon the size of a freaking mountain. There's gotta be other ways of making an opponent seem imposing without just making them gigantic. They're gonna get to the One Piece and it'll just be a guy named Raftel who's the size of an entire country and Luffy's gonna have to punch him.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on October 20, 2018, 02:02:03 am
^
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The writing was on the wall. I don't have a link at hand, but O-Tsuru and Kinemon are both based on characters from a famous Edo period painting (or maybe woodblock?).
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on October 27, 2018, 12:10:33 am
Fucking Leeroy D. Jenkins over here. Everyone's trying to make plans and strategies and Luffy goes and aggros the boss all by himself.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on October 27, 2018, 05:16:31 am
I'm surprised Oda skipped the usual 50+ chapter build up and jumped almost immediately to action...which means Luffy is gonna get bodied badly.
Two things about Kaido 1) how long before we get confirmation on whether he's a dragon who ate a giant/oni zoan fruit or a giant/oni who ate a dragon zoan and 2) what's with his title? Jaimini's translated it as "Governor-General" and Mangastream as "Viceroy", both implying he isn't top dog. Is it just a facade or is he really an underling to Orochi?
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on October 27, 2018, 04:16:37 pm
According to Ohara Library the original text uses the word soutoku, which literally translates to governor-general. That means someone who is appointed to rule over a territory on behalf of a monarchy. Given Kaido's status as a pirate first and foremost, my assumption would be that as part of their partnership Orochi granted him that title so he would have full authority in Wano without making it look like he just turned control of the country over to a bunch of pirates.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on November 04, 2018, 04:04:13 am
Chapter 923
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Luffy got bodied badly.
I was expecting a curbstomp battle, but I didn't expect him to fall from a single hit. One single hit. And Kaido doesn't even look like he's trying.
Oda usually avoids ridiculous power gaps in his fights, and I think it pays off, because it adds more impact to moments like this.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: LIL B (The Based God) on November 09, 2018, 03:02:34 am
I was expecting a curbstomp battle, but I didn't expect him to fall from a single hit. One single hit. And Kaido doesn't even look like he's trying.
Oda usually avoids ridiculous power gaps in his fights, and I think it pays off, because it adds more impact to moments like this.
I'm way behind on reading the manga. Last I remember Luffy and crew were on the candy island trying to get Sanji back.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on November 09, 2018, 01:07:13 pm
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Luffy got his ass kicked by a box of donuts, and an old lady almost ate the rest of the crew until they were saved by a rabbit and a fish.
Spoiler: Chapter 924(click to see content)
Kid finally makes his grand reappearance. Last time he showed up was, what, Punk Hazard? When Hawkins, Apoo, and him were forming an alliance to take down Shanks, I think. Has he just been sitting in Kaido's prison since then? Hopefully he actually does something this arc to justify all the hype he always gets.
Also holy shit, when did Oda start letting Robin do face gags?
(https://i.imgur.com/grrqwvG.png)
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on November 09, 2018, 02:55:49 pm
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Well, where else would Kidd be?
He came across as more prideful than Apoo and Hawkins, so it makes sense he wouldn't bend the knee to Kaido. Plus, it was foreshadowed he'd form an alliance with Luffy and Law back in Sabaody.
It's gonna be interesting how Luffy reacts in some...300-400 chapters to the news of Kidd trying (or succeeding) to kill Shanks.
You think Drake will show up in this arc? Oda gave him a bit more of screen time than the other novas (at least those who haven't had a proper arc like Capone) but we still haven't seen him do anything that actually matters nor interact with the Straw Hats.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on November 09, 2018, 04:43:16 pm
Drake has a good chance of showing up, I think. Last time he was seen was in that cover story where he captured Caribou leading that attack on one of Kaido’s weapon factories. Since Caribou knows about Shirahoshi, and she’s come to the surface now, that could wind up being a major plot point in this arc.
:EDIT: SWEET RABBIT CHILD
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Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on November 23, 2018, 02:47:39 pm
Spoiler: So there's a lot going on with this chapter(click to see content)
- RIP Absalom, you lion-faced pervert. :'( With how much Oda usually hates permanently killing people off, and how much he loves bringing characters back after 400 chapters, it's really surprising that he just unceremoniously killed Absalom off-panel like that.
- And speaking of off-panel, how in the hell is Oda going to leave the Reverie on a cliffhanger and then just have someone else casually mention what happened later without even showing it? Sabo and the Revolutionaries fought against Fujitora and Ryokugyu? Would've been nice to actually see that happen after all the buildup he gave it.
- Perona, Moria, and possibly Mihawk are on the move now. I wonder if any of them are actually going to make it to Wano or if that's setup for the next arc.
- We finally get a full look at post-timeskip Blackbeard and his bounty. I feel like this is Oda trying to remind everyone who the real threat in all of this is. Everyone's going nuts because Luffy's bounty went up to $1.5 billion, and then oh yeah by the way Teach is worth $2.3 billion nbd. His crew's getting a lot scarier, too. Not only did Shiryu take Abasalom's invisibility fruit, but now Devon has a mythical zoan.
- And of course, we get introduced to the other 2 calamities on Kaido's crew by having them talk down to Jack like a weak, bumbling little brother. A little bit tropey, but again it seems like this whole chapter is about highlighting how high the stakes are getting.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on November 23, 2018, 07:33:02 pm
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Fuck, why do all the cool fights have to happen offscreen? I really want to see the revolutionary commanders fight the marines. What was even the point of introducing them in the reverie if we weren't going to see the them do anything?
Has Blackbeard always been this HUGE? I remember him being about 1.5 times Luffy's height, and he's so big his shoes are about the size of a woman.
Edit: I think I know why he looks so big now
(http://i.imgur.com/WU3AZBH.jpg?1)
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on December 01, 2018, 12:08:50 am
This chapter got me thinking: Has it ever been said whether seastone has any effect on Haki? With the level of strength Luffy and Kid are showing off even with the seastone handcuffs on, I feel like Luffy should be able to just Conqueror his way on out the door whenever he wanted.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on January 19, 2019, 12:57:42 am
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Okay, so I know that the old "make the new bad guy seem strong by having them wipe the floor with the old bad guy" routine is a pretty well-worn trope, but after everything that just happened on Whole Cake Island, having just one of Kaido's underlings one shot Big Mom and all of her kids in one single attack feels like a bit much. Fuck's sake, Oda.
Sanji seemed to turn around on the idea of using that raid suit pretty quickly though, eh? Go Go Germa Rangers.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on January 19, 2019, 03:26:04 am
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To be fair King only knocked their ship off from the waterfall, it's not like he personally defeated them all. The fact that Kaido himself is unwilling to clash with the Big Mom pirates implies he knows his own army isn't *that* much stronger than hers, if at all..
But yeah, that was kind of a bummer. Hopefully they Big Mom pirates will get a second wind before the arc ends, and their fight with Kaido won't happen offscreen.
Also yes, that was a quick turnaround. I expected Sangoro to only use the Germa suit as an absolute last ditch effort, not as a simple disguise
...and how's that even supposed to work ? his siblings' Germa suits don't come with masks or helmets./spoiler]
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on January 19, 2019, 03:35:53 am
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Could be some kind of speed boost. He was fast enough to prevent Oven from seeing him moving the cake on his own; Maybe the suit will give him enough speed to take out Page One before he can be seen or recognized.
Kinda hoping his brothers gave him a woman's suit to fuck with him and he busts out that Okama kenpo he's obviously been keeping secret since the timeskip.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on February 16, 2019, 02:00:57 pm
Poor Law is going to have a freaking heart attack once they all finally have a chance to regroup and go over the situation. Luffy picked a fight with the Big Mom pirates and brought them all to Wano, Zoro and Sanji are out there fighting with Kaido's subordinates already, Nami, Robin, and Brook just blew up the shogun's freaking castle, and Chopper's about to roll up with Big Mom herself in tow. His plan could not possibly have gone more wrong because of these idiots.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: GTOAkira on February 22, 2019, 06:55:39 pm
new chapter is out
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Seems like Zoro might actually be from Kuri also Alpaca-San is in One Piece
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 25, 2019, 04:07:42 pm
Could be some kind of speed boost. He was fast enough to prevent Oven from seeing him moving the cake on his own; Maybe the suit will give him enough speed to take out Page One before he can be seen or recognized.
Kinda hoping his brothers gave him a woman's suit to fuck with him and he busts out that Okama kenpo he's obviously been keeping secret since the timeskip.
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I need to reread because I was under the impression that it has both speed bost and invincibility (as in can't be seen); I am wondering if the later was because of sanji's sister being nice to him.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on March 09, 2019, 04:00:08 am
Nami and Robin are in a bathhouse. Naked. Being massaged by tentacles.
Oda, the fuck kinda bath salts are you on this chapter? XD
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: R565 on March 09, 2019, 04:31:19 am
Nami and Robin are in a bathhouse. Naked. Being massaged by tentacles.
Oda, the fuck kinda bath salts are you on this chapter? XD
Did you say tentacles!? . . Holy shit, it's true.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on March 15, 2019, 07:08:00 pm
Interesting chapter
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- The Nami happiness punch makes it glorious return. - Sanji's character journey is finally complete (what is "all blue")
Shouldn't Luffy having conqueror's haki be public knowledge at this point? pretty sure he used it on large crowds on Fishman Ssland and Dressrosa
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on March 30, 2019, 12:17:57 am
All the Zoro fanboys are throwing a shit fit at this chapter because apparently getting impaled all the way through the godsdamn chest with a godsdamn scythe is too minor of an injury for Zoro to react to. Also, please don't tell me that freaking Tonoyasu is one of the Kozuki retainers they're looking for. That guy skeeves me out for some reason.
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So Komurasaki is pretty much 100% confirmed to be Momo's sister Hiyori now, right?
(https://i.imgur.com/BciDiGU.png)
Which means that Kyoshiro didn't really cut her down when he said he did, which means that he's not actually loyal to Orochi.
Guh, all these new characters and political intrigue and we still haven't gotten even one scene where the whole crew's back together again. It'd be really great to see the main characters be a little more involved in this arc.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on June 01, 2019, 12:34:55 am
Well that last comment sure aged nicely considering everything we know about Tonoyasu now. >_>
Spoiler: Big bombshell in this chapter(click to see content)
Kamazo was actually Killer all along. I guess the double scythes should've been clued us in, but it's been goddamn forever since we've actually seen Killer doing anything. Last time was, what, Sabaody? That's kind of huge news when you remember he was supposed to be one of the worst generation on par with Luffy, Zoro, and Law. The hell did Orochi do to him to break him like that? And now Kid's actually got motivation to participate in the story for once, so that's cool too.
Now that Big Mom and Chopper have finally made it to the prison, and everyone else has regrouped together, maybe Luffy will finally break out and we can finally have the whole crew back together again. They've been separated for something like 25% of the series' entire run at this point.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Foobs on June 01, 2019, 04:04:41 am
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Did Killer ever do anything ? I don't remember him doing much besides fighting fodder marines on Sabaody and then lose (offscreen) to Kaido along with Kid, Apoo and Hawkins. I didn't even remember he existed until yesterday.
I'd say he's probably still in full use of his faculties, just the pirate captains, just laughing uncontrollably because of the SMILE (he'd shaking in fear or fury otherwise, I imagine). Wonder what kind of animal is he.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on June 01, 2019, 03:57:05 pm
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Besides the fodder marine fight on Sabaody, the only other significant thing I remember him doing was stopping Kid from walking out on the alliance meeting and convincing him to work together with Apoo and Hawkins, which in retrospect was a pretty bad move.
Although in looking it up to verify I was reminded that he was still in control of himself as recently as the end of Dressrosa, so whatever happened to him in Wano must have happened pretty recently. Kind of hard to remember with how long it's taking to tell the story, but in-universe it's only been a couple of weeks since then. Maybe not even a month.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on July 07, 2019, 06:01:20 pm
Dropping this in this thread because I doubt people would give a shit elsehwere.
Pirate Warriors 4, which will cover up through Whole Cake Island. Historically they've added about 10-15 new characters with each PW iteration, so we can probably expect Carrot and a handful of other no-name jobbers who are less important than Carrot.
:EDIT: For the 22nd anniversary of One Piece WJS ran a one-shot drawn by Boichi, artist of Dr. Stone, that recreates the Zoro vs Mihawk fight from chapter 51-52.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: GTOAkira on September 28, 2019, 05:08:51 am
Holy shit that last chapter was amazing. Its crazy how Oda was able to create such a big and interesting world.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: Person Man on October 05, 2019, 08:18:07 pm
Now this is an interesting turn of events. A very slight timeskip one day to right before the big fight, and everything's gone to shit. The Straw Hats, the Heart Pirates, the minks, and Hyogorou's men are all AWOL. Obviously the raid's still going to happen (what with the mention of the full moon there's no way Oda's not going to have all the minks go sulong) but it does raise the question of what the hell happened.
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Since the anime's new OP more or less spoiled the reveal that Kyoshiro is actually Denjiro, maybe he's doing some kind of double agent thing? Maybe he fed Orochi the information about the changed meeting place, and then went through Hyori to warn the rest of the alliance to change their plans.
Title: Re: One Piece
Post by: TempestSageJDJ on October 06, 2019, 06:57:05 pm
Going back to last few chapters...
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-I don't think that Sabo was killed while trying to rescue Kuma, then again I don't know who would try to protect him during that time. It would really blow if he was killed off screen. -Seeing all of the bounties of the Emperors was awesome. It's kinda funny how minor of a threat Blackbeard is when compared to other Emperors. It's was also cool to get some origin of how all of the Emperors knew each other. Can't wait to learn more about Rocks. -I'm glad that Issho got his wish and the Warlord system was yeeted. Maybe we'll get more insight on how Mihawk became so powerful to the point that he was originally thought to have Devil Fruit Powers. -Koby's really starting to go up in the world! -I kinda hope since Koby's the one going after Hancock that they come to some sort of understanding, since IIRC one of Hancock's reasons for becoming a Warlord was to make her people's lives easier, also to spite the Government since she was enslaved by the Celestial Dragons. -I need to more about Drake. He's a chad.