If you see the staff discussing about your behavior then the best defense you have is to stop doing whatever brought your name there in the first place.I can say from personal experience that when I saw my name brought to in the staff section I decided to simply stop posting and lower my assholish behavior from a 9 to at least a 4.They never talked about me after that.... ;_;
Iced said, August 02, 2011, 10:30:35 pmRip, thats what the feedback section is for.Its not the first time threads were made about moderator x or y in the feedback section, or people plead with their reasonings on bans they thought unjust and were given second chances. Sometimes third chances.in some peculiar cases tenth chances.I think it would be smoother if the pleading was done in the same topic the mods were discussing the member in.Plus to some degree arguing is pointless as this place is not democratic. I mean this place is more representative democracy where mods speak for the majority of the members on the forum. And I mean this very loosely.If the mods were the tool of the majority of members on the forum then arguing would be more useful.
If you can see it coming. You can avoid it. It's not like a lynch mob that's made up it's mind. It's more like a car on the road. You see it coming you get out of the way and stop whatever it is you're doing. Then you avoid being hit. If someone is up for discussion it's a borderline case. We discuss whether it's actually worth it, or if someone is just overly pissed off at that user and there is no reason for the ban. This is still a clue that if you've annoyed one person, you're possibly annoying more and many people would be happy to see you leave.Justified bans for which there is no discussion just happen. Someone has done something that blatantly disrespects the rules and the forum. You really won't notice these because you'll know that they're reasonable as soon as they happen.
Also if the staff would just follow what the majority wants then users like Lasombra would be banned without a second thought because nobody likes them.Kinda like the Romans but without gladiators and lions so it wouldn't be as fun.
Riptide: The people's Knight said, August 02, 2011, 10:38:08 pmI think it would be smoother if the pleading was done in the same topic the mods were discussing the member in.Plus to some degree arguing is pointless as this place is not democratic. I mean this place is more representative democracy where mods speak for the majority of the members on the forum. And I mean this very loosely.If the mods were the tool of the majority of members on the forum then arguing would be more useful.When you have a legitimate concern you can pm a mod, it takes someone being really annoying or insistent for most mods to not even want to talk to that person.I think you are basing your views on me not wanting to answer your pms anymore, but think about it.How many pms did I answer of yours before I quit?Six huge pms of paranoid behaviour, asking to be proven stuff and making claims about the past of the forum that you did not have any knowledge about but were to you, fact. Its only normal if people stop taking your pms seriously when they hold that kind of content, that is not however, what happens with most people.how many here can say they sent me a pm and had me reply to them to stop bothering me? Not insults or requesting the mods to code stuff for them, obviously. And when I say me, the same holds for the rest of the staff, when something isnt working out with one mod they will pass it onto another or try to at least give some advice.
Bastard Wolf said, August 02, 2011, 10:37:12 pmIf you see the staff discussing about your behavior then the best defense you have is to stop doing whatever brought your name there in the first place.I can say from personal experience that when I saw my name brought to in the staff section I decided to simply stop posting and lower my assholish behavior from a 9 to at least a 4.They never talked about me after that.... ;_;hi5Riptide: The people's Knight said, August 02, 2011, 10:38:08 pmIced said, August 02, 2011, 10:30:35 pmRip, thats what the feedback section is for.Its not the first time threads were made about moderator x or y in the feedback section, or people plead with their reasonings on bans they thought unjust and were given second chances. Sometimes third chances.in some peculiar cases tenth chances.I think it would be smoother if the pleading was done in the same topic the mods were discussing the member in.Plus to some degree arguing is pointless as this place is not democratic. I mean this place is more representative democracy where mods speak for the majority of the members on the forum. And I mean this very loosely.If the mods were the tool of the majority of members on the forum then arguing would be more useful.it would also be better if we could travel to their houses and kick their asses, but whatevr works is ok.
Cyanide said, August 02, 2011, 10:39:36 pmIf you can see it coming. You can avoid it. It's not like a lynch mob that's made up it's mind. It's more like a car on the road. You see it coming you get out of the way and stop whatever it is you're doing. Then you avoid being hit. If someone is up for discussion it's a borderline case. We discuss whether it's actually worth it, or if someone is just overly pissed off at that user and there is no reason for the ban. This is still a clue that if you've annoyed one person, you're possibly annoying more and many people would be happy to see you leave.Justified bans for which there is no discussion just happen. Someone has done something that blatantly disrespects the rules and the forum. You really won't notice these because you'll know that they're reasonable as soon as they happen.Those are the only type of bans I'm used to seeing.
We took almost 2 years to ban one specific user, were in discussions to ban others for ages, we try to work out things with most users before getting there and yet you talk about that as if it was fact.to you, the peculiar is fact.
Yeah, and you don't see that many here. We ban for ban evasion, continuous rule breaking after being told no (warez and hacks mostly) and porn. And bots. Those are the insta bans. Beyond that, you'll be discussed first.After the big switch (4-5 years ago) it was meant to be about self moderation. Users are supposed to hold themselves to a high standard and not break rules. This is why they can lock their own topics. We trust you to be mature. This is why if you have generally toed the line we're not just going to slap you down because you did something naughty. Unless it's for porn warez etc.
Iced said, August 02, 2011, 10:58:10 pmWe took almost 2 years to ban one specific user, were in discussions to ban others for ages, we try to work out things with most users before getting there and yet you talk about that as if it was fact.to you, the peculiar is fact.I'm not used to the slow bans there's not a place I've visited that operated like that. I can't see taking that long to decide to ban some one or not. it's it's not decided in one week I would say that it would be just dropped.I'm not going to bite my tongue here, it just sounds lame as a hell.
Cyanide said, August 02, 2011, 11:00:09 pmThis is why they can lock their own topics.The main problem we're currently having is that some users abuse that option, when there's no reason to lock it. Personally, if you removed that option from users, I wouldn't notice the difference. If I'm not interested in a thread I created, I just simply ignore it.
Why would you want to take away a members right to lock a topic. I only saw a few problems, isn't that a little extreme?
Riptide: The people's Knight said, August 02, 2011, 11:03:04 pmI'm not going to bite my tongue here, it just sounds lame as a hell.You got to bite your tongue, or we gunna ban you!Why did you even feel the need to snipe that bit about biting your tongue? Its situations where someone isnt doing anything forbidden but its acting negatively, we pm them try to correct them, things go well for a while, he relapses or he does something else against someone, a temporary ban could be given, we wait to see how he acts when he comes back, he relapses, we talk to him again, maybe ban him a bit longer and on and on. Real bans take time and wont happen like that.Riptide: The people's Knight said, August 02, 2011, 11:07:37 pmWhy would you want to take away a members right to lock a topic. I only saw a few problems, isn't that a little extreme?Why would a person want to take away a members right to see the staff operating, when we havent even seen one problem?
I really don't get it. The staff here is very reasonable, very open to talk to, almost completely transparent with their actions, very lenient when it comes to banning, and yet people STILL try to stereotype this staff with the old "evil and power hungry" stereotype that comes with moderating a forum. And making silly demands like "you should be able to post on the staff board to argue with them about their decisions".The subjects we talk about are open to be brought up through PMs or by starting a topic. There's no reason for this, you all are being very silly about something that benefits you.
Riptide: The people's Knight said, August 02, 2011, 11:07:37 pmWhy would you want to take away a members right to lock a topic. I only saw a few problems, isn't that a little extreme?What do you mean extreme? People normally doesn't lock their threads, as there's no point. I only saw few cases of some people being forced to do that to stop a complete off-topic situation when the thread already fulfilled its purpose. The other cases are like WlanmaniaX, who abused that right in order not to deal with problems in their characters. Personally, we don't really use it that much, so in my opinion, we wouldn't miss it.
The point Momo was trying to make was that the public staff discussion section was being used as a way for users to ridicule other users. And that's not a problem. Titiln already answered that in his response to Volzilla.People are accountable for their own actions. If they don't want to be ridiculed, then don't give a reason for people to ridicule them.That's it.
Riptide: The people's Knight said, August 02, 2011, 11:03:04 pmIced said, August 02, 2011, 10:58:10 pmWe took almost 2 years to ban one specific user, were in discussions to ban others for ages, we try to work out things with most users before getting there and yet you talk about that as if it was fact.to you, the peculiar is fact.I'm not used to the slow bans there's not a place I've visited that operated like that. I can't see taking that long to decide to ban some one or not. it's it's not decided in one week I would say that it would be just dropped.I'm not going to bite my tongue here, it just sounds lame as a hell.I bet in your old forums users were just spam fest and would not contribute to the comunity at all; in the mugen forums an user with an apparent asshole attitude can be helping people a lot in the help related forums or release good stuff so the staff still want them in.
Poison~ said, August 02, 2011, 11:52:11 pmRiptide: The people's Knight said, August 02, 2011, 11:03:04 pmIced said, August 02, 2011, 10:58:10 pmWe took almost 2 years to ban one specific user, were in discussions to ban others for ages, we try to work out things with most users before getting there and yet you talk about that as if it was fact.to you, the peculiar is fact.I'm not used to the slow bans there's not a place I've visited that operated like that. I can't see taking that long to decide to ban some one or not. it's it's not decided in one week I would say that it would be just dropped.I'm not going to bite my tongue here, it just sounds lame as a hell.I bet in your old forums users were just spam fest and would not contribute to the comunity at all; in the mugen forums an user with an apparent asshole attitude can be helping people a lot in the help related forums or release good stuff so the staff still want them in.Um...uh...let me think a bit. Some places operate like here, yeah. But some places don't need to tolerate asshole helpers because there are enough people who can contribute to the forum. Which is probably more common in a large community.My old forum didn't...wasn't holding to either idea.But in both situations I mentioned it was a different type of community (not mugen).Different communities will have different policies as a final fantasy forum, computer hardware, and comic book forum will not be the same. I guess I was expecting the guild to be more similar to other forums I've been on.Which is because I've been on forums for a wide variety of topics MFG is the odd man out in some of their policies.