MissBHaven said, July 21, 2012, 11:12:15 pmThe point is someone that evil determined to kill a bunch of people will find a way to do it. Indeed. You people are excessively naive if you think any law can stop a pyscopath. If he couldn't buy a gun from a store, he'd buy it from a ratty looking guy in the slums of the city.PS: Explosives are illegal as well and that didn't stop him from getting some, did it?
QuoteIf i wanted to purchase even a air gun over here I'd have to do the following.buy it online, since you can no longer get them directly from shops.fill out a formget a air gun licensepick up the air pistol from the location sent via email in the shop.fill out more papers show passport/ convictionsyou are then automatically registered on the gun owners system and local police station.when you get your gun it will be in some whacky fluorescent stupid colour unless you specifically order a realistic replica in which you will need another kind of license not to mention you will get interrogated like fuck--------In USA, you go to walmart and you're done No wonder they have so many idiot / unconscious / uneducated / unstable / paranoid / etc THUS dangerous in the streets which creates even more idiocy around because their existence triggers such reaction"oh streets are danegrous with these armed psychos - I NEED A GUN AS WELL to protect myself" -------QuoteMaking it harder for people like me to buy a gun isn't going to prevent any crimeQuoteMaking it harder for people like me to buy a gun isn't going to prevent ANY crimeThat statement is ridiculous- What is the probability of having firearms related incident in a country where you buy a gun at the supermarket and the legislation is favorable to such behavior ? - What is the probability of having firearms related incident in a country where to get a gun you have to go through a whole bunch of shit like MAVERIK described for UK ?Are you actually trying to cinvince anybody here that this major difference will not affect "ANY" crime ? Be reasonable.
Jean Bureau said, July 22, 2012, 12:28:13 amNo wonder they have so many idiot / unconscious / uneducated / unstable / paranoid / etcUm. Guns don't make people any of those things except for maybe paranoid. "Unconscious" doesn't even fit in that list. What.Cyanide said, July 22, 2012, 12:21:56 amBasically, gun rules over there are lax, and have fostered a society that normalises them and what they can do. State by state. City by city. In New York City, it's nearly impossible for people (except law enforcement agents) to get guns legally. Many of the guns crimes here are with illegal guns.
Quote"Unconscious" doesn't even fit in that last.He means irresponsible, unaware of the consequences of one's acts.Just because a psychopath wouldn't be bothered by laws to obtain weapons to perform some mass killing, doesn't make it right for everybody to own a killing weapon.
Guns don't make people unaware of their actions. Psychopaths aren't the only people who use illegal guns to kill people. They're the very small minority.
MissBHaven said, July 21, 2012, 11:12:15 pmMost Americans, such as myself, buy their weapons legally and use them for sport or protection or bothWhat possible use could one have for a gun that is fully automatic with a 100 round clip for either hunting or protection?
I am not saying guns make people bad.I am saying bad people can do WORST things when they have easy access to the most extreme tools.Imagine a guy who is not a psycho but is emotionally fragile or a bit excessive, he could have a up and downs without ening up in jail in a weapon restricted country like Australia. Maybe the worst he will do is break a few bones of the guy who his girlfriend cheated on him with, with a baseball bat or his own fists. Now the same scenario in USA, the guy gets pissed, go to walmart, buy a gun, and kills the other guy... He didn't mean to after calming down but under the emotion he just shooted him. Didn't wanted to kill him but he made a bad shoot. Ended up in a vital area instead of a benine one.common scenario for me.There are many more like that and they do not involve psychos or proper criminals (whi are like Rajaa said, a minority).There is a difference between making a living of crimes and an average person who is not very clever, or has a few issues that are not extreme (like a psychopath) but can lead to very tragic results if put in a favorable environment.USA is such environment in my opinionCarpe Diem said, July 22, 2012, 12:36:23 amQuote"Unconscious" doesn't even fit in that last.He means irresponsible, unaware of the consequences of one's acts.Just because a psychopath wouldn't be bothered by laws to obtain weapons to perform some mass killing, doesn't make it right for everybody to own a killing weapon.You got that perfectly right.Jmorphman said, July 22, 2012, 12:38:51 amMissBHaven said, July 21, 2012, 11:12:15 pmMost Americans, such as myself, buy their weapons legally and use them for sport or protection or bothWhat possible use could one have for a gun that is fully automatic with a 100 round clip for either hunting or protection?LoL . I applaude the level of sarcasm in your post 8)
Having guns as a normal part of society DOES normalise them. You see someone with a gun over here, you want to know why he's got it, you especially want to know why he's walking around town with it. You see a gun in the US "oh he has a gun". I'm safer, i'm seeing something abnormal and have the option to avoid it. You see something normal/common and don't alter your behaviour.http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearmsThere are places worse, but number #4 isn't great is it?
Jean Bureau said, July 22, 2012, 12:52:50 amLoL . I applaude the level of sarcasm in your post 8)i don't think that was sarcastic
LoL France is not even in the statistics.Titiln said, July 22, 2012, 01:00:54 amJean Bureau said, July 22, 2012, 12:52:50 amLoL . I applaude the level of sarcasm in your post 8)i don't think that was sarcasticoh... well... that's quite sad then
Cyanide said, July 22, 2012, 12:54:49 amhttp://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearmsInb4 pikachu tells us that if you divide by the number of inhabitants, US has quite a good ranking. Jmorphman said, July 22, 2012, 12:38:51 amWhat possible use could one have for a gun that is fully automatic with a 100 round clip for either hunting or protection?More efficient hunting and 100% rate protection (if you shoot first). And yeah, what Cyanide said.
There is nothing sad about A straightforward questionthere is something sad about THIS question IF it is straightforward indeed.Because if it is, it communicates "well i don't see what else you could do with a gun than to protect yourself or shoot in a shooting club"You don't have to be a genius to know that you can do much more things with a gun. And those other things are not good.
Jean Bureau said, July 22, 2012, 01:10:05 amthere is nothing sad about A starightforward questionthere is something sad about THIS question IF it is straightforward indeed.Because if it is, it communicates "well i don't see what else you could do with a gun than to protect yourself or shoot in a shooting club"You don't have to be a genius to know that you can do much more things with a gun. And those other things are not good.Wha...?I asked that question because those types of guns are NOT needed for either hunting or protection.
Not sure, but Jmorphman rather looks like the anti-gun type of guy, so he's asking "why in hell do you buy such weapons if you're only going to use them for sports or hunting ?"EDIT : beat to it by the guy himself...
that site's iffy. the stats are old and some countries are left out (there's no way chile has more murders by gun than brazil). although america must be high on the list either way.http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/francehttp://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/brazilthere was also a school shooting in france this year http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/21/world/europe/jewish-school-shooting-in-france.html?pagewanted=all clearly the country is full of crazy idiots.it's a straightforward question. he wants to know what possible use there is for such a powerful gun when it comes to hunting or protection. there's no sarcasm involved.Doppelganger said, July 22, 2012, 01:09:04 amInb4 pikachu tells us that if you divide by the number of inhabitants, US has quite a good ranking. what's wrong with that?
Titiln said, July 22, 2012, 01:16:02 amwhat's wrong with that?Because then it's harder to feel superior to those dumb Americans.
Referring to this :DNZRX768 said, July 20, 2012, 02:59:14 pmAnd remember that the United States has a much bigger population than most of the gun-free-nations like UK and parts of Europe. We will bound to have our fair share of crazy people here.Jmorphman said, July 22, 2012, 01:21:25 amBecause then it's harder to feel superior to those dumb Americans.I was actually not attacking/mocking the US for once. Titiln said, July 22, 2012, 01:16:02 amthere was also a school shooting in france this year http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/21/world/europe/jewish-school-shooting-in-france.html?pagewanted=all clearly the country is full of crazy idiots.Yeah, that's what I was talking about earlier when citing "Toulouse, France".I blame Vyx.
