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Title: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 16, 2011, 02:03:14 am
Hi there !

After coming back from my old site where i was killing some nostalgia, i realized that in this forum there's is still not
a way of finding fast (even if it's just a name for googling) the creators of some chars.

I noticed that there is a creators list here, but does not indicate the creations.
And so an ideia was born in my head of bringing the old mugen guild model to a simple subforum here...

It would something like one subforum with a topic for every game that is(was) released with a list of all chars of the game
followed by a list of creators (with link) for each char...

It could be one stickied main thread that i would update and then several threads,
one per game where people can post links, discuss and suggest additions or removals.

What do you guys think ?




Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Lucina on September 16, 2011, 02:10:40 am
That actually would be helpful in fulfilling the many requests filling up the Request board.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Just No Point on September 16, 2011, 02:20:13 am
We actually tried this once long ago.

The problem is finding dedicated people to keep it updated.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Lucina on September 16, 2011, 02:23:28 am
I'll volunteer if I'm actually able to keep up with the updates. :P
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 16, 2011, 02:26:18 am
Altough i've been away, i actually proposed this because i "feel" dedicated enough to make it work  8)
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Lucina on September 16, 2011, 02:27:54 am
Hey, it's better than not feeling dedicated anyway.  ;D
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Just No Point on September 16, 2011, 02:35:37 am
Altough i've been away, i actually proposed this because i "feel" dedicated enough to make it work  8)
Oh, that's different then.  Go for it =D
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 16, 2011, 02:42:15 am
And about the organization thing ? Any toughts ?
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Iced on September 16, 2011, 02:58:58 am
Game series:
Game name:
editor:
year of release:
character name:
character description
author
link
sprite source: original/edited/rip
sprite style: cvs/snk kof/guilty gear
code style edited: custom/original

Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Just No Point on September 16, 2011, 02:59:08 am
The old way was done like this.

Category
WTF was this named anyway?

Board 1 Capcom
sub forum 1 Street Fighter
sub forum 2 Darkstalkers

Board 2 SNK


Well you get the idea.

Don't remember if it was devided by specific games. If so I'd say sprite style only
Like SFA, SF2, SF3, CvsS, etc
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: The Aboriginal One on September 16, 2011, 03:02:02 am
I'll start with company name, then game name, finally, even character can have their respective thread in that hierarchy.

I also suggest an original and edited characters subgroup. the original characters are grouped by the full game they were introduced or misc, and from the misc section, further classified by their author's name.

The edited characters subgroup has the same hierarchy as the licensed character one.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Iced on September 16, 2011, 03:08:04 am
I'll start with company name, then game name, finally, even character can have their respective thread in that hierarchy.

I also suggest an original and edited characters subgroup. the original characters are grouped by the full game they were introduced or misc, and from the misc section, further classified by their author's name.

The edited characters subgroup has the same hierarchy as the licensed character one.
There is one flaw in your plan.
What decides if a character is edited or not that it deserves to fit under the "real" category or the edited one? is it an added move? is it gameplay?
it would be better to leave that variable as a set of the object instead of a separate object alltogether, since the rest of the properties are shared.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 16, 2011, 03:08:58 am
Well i agree with the game company separation, but my ideia would be to kiss it as simple as possible
so it could be easily and fast to update...

So it could be something like :

Game Company Board
  one Topic for each game

and the on each topic

a list of chars and creators like:

Marco Rodriguez : MMR
Hotaru Futaba : Jin Kazama, Adamskie
...
...

would also have a edited and original section like mentioned too...
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 16, 2011, 03:17:53 am
I'll start with company name, then game name, finally, even character can have their respective thread in that hierarchy.

I also suggest an original and edited characters subgroup. the original characters are grouped by the full game they were introduced or misc, and from the misc section, further classified by their author's name.

The edited characters subgroup has the same hierarchy as the licensed character one.
There is one flaw in your plan.
What decides if a character is edited or not that it deserves to fit under the "real" category or the edited one? is it an added move? is it gameplay?
it would be better to leave that variable as a set of the object instead of a separate object alltogether, since the rest of the properties are shared.

I guess the degree of edition can be difficult to find, but most chars have additions to original gameplay, one way or another,
so i guess is that a good rule would be it kept most it's orignal gameplay, moves and appearance...

i know it could be tough to decide sometimes but without organizing it by game would be rather confusing...
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Iced on September 16, 2011, 03:27:57 am
thus my suggestion, instead of separating "edited" chars into a separate thing, just have a variable that states how close or how far from the original it is.
code style or whatever. that way you can note which chars are , lets say, mvc styled kings.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 16, 2011, 03:31:11 am
But still included in the "original" game topic, it that it ?
Yes, i think it's a very good idea.  They could then be also group by style for example...

The edited section would have only the original ones then maybe...
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Aldo on September 16, 2011, 03:31:31 am
Seems like an interesting idea :) if you're in the need of people for keeping this organized I'll volunteer as well, I think I have the dedication
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Iced on September 16, 2011, 03:33:03 am
I would still put them under the name of the game, because whoever is searching for a king, would look in AOF ( or kof i guess) and then they could select one of the several kings there including the mvc styled one.
For original I would leave those characters that werent really from fighting games.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 16, 2011, 03:36:10 am
 :thumbsup:

Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Iced on September 16, 2011, 05:55:07 am
all in all, your idea reminds me a lot of a mugen wiki, wouldnt it be a better effort to strenghten one of the already existing ones instead of starting one anew?
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 16, 2011, 12:33:58 pm
all in all, your idea reminds me a lot of a mugen wiki, wouldnt it be a better effort to strenghten one of the already existing ones instead of starting one anew?

Where is that mugenwiki ? in this forum ? or another site ?
I'm really not interested in doing this for another site...
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Just No Point on September 16, 2011, 01:20:47 pm
all in all, your idea reminds me a lot of a mugen wiki, wouldnt it be a better effort to strenghten one of the already existing ones instead of starting one anew?

Keep in mind that Guild once had this when it started under Nunor. In fact that was the main focus. Not the forums. In Nunor's "I'm back" topic he said he 50% likes the way things are now and 50% doesn't. Maybe he 100% loves the new forum but misses the other half he created all those years ago. The original vision for Guild if you will.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 16, 2011, 01:37:24 pm
Actually, that sentence about the 50% was about my life :P

But it true that i missed my old site :)
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Onju on September 16, 2011, 06:01:17 pm
PoTS Style should get a subforum in the Original's section.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: GOH on September 16, 2011, 06:02:44 pm
No.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Onju on September 16, 2011, 06:34:33 pm
No.

Why?
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: GOH on September 16, 2011, 06:36:32 pm
First, because there is no such thing as POTS's style.

Second, because if we were to do it for POTS then we would have to do it for every other author who made their own custom gameplay mechanics.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Onju on September 16, 2011, 06:44:15 pm
First, because there is no such thing as POTS's style.

Second, because if we were to do it for POTS then we would have to do it for every other author who made their own custom gameplay mechanics.

But "pots style" characters are pretty popular and many people try to find them, (including me) maybe "Custom CVS" style?. I think warusaki style subforum would be cool too (CVS Chars with the warusaki style groove bar)
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: GOH on September 16, 2011, 06:50:06 pm
It shouldn't be named custom CVS because that doesn't exist.

There's edited/custom characters and non-edited/custom characters, just straight conversions.

And why would Warusaki need his sub-forum that doesn't make sense.

"Warusaki style groove bar?" That doesn't exist okay? Stop saying that.

There's CVS2 characters and custom/edited characters.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Titiln on September 16, 2011, 06:54:56 pm
tbh i think this would be terrible in a forum and should only be done through a wiki
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 16, 2011, 07:49:41 pm
i think it should be done through a database; a wiki is close enought to that.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Werewood on September 16, 2011, 10:11:48 pm
Can MFG facebook do this kind of thing???
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 16, 2011, 10:51:12 pm
Facebook is too limited.

This was my idea for each game stickie topic :

(http://membres.multimania.fr/mugenguild/images/motw.gif)
                                1999
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Titiln on September 16, 2011, 11:41:10 pm
yeah it's not practical at all compared to a wiki or a database. keeping this up through threads makes it more of a hassle to search and update
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Cyanide on September 17, 2011, 01:46:14 am
I recommend contacting Claws if his is still going. He's got a good format.

Shamrocks has gone down, dunno if it's getting renewed. There is too much coming out now and keeping track of it via threads will not be easy or that accurate. Especially as if someone updates a character by creating a new thread you have to find the new one, delete the old one (which could be pages back) and then add the new.

Wiki is absolutely the way to go. People have tried them, but it does tend to get on top of you without some decent help.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: MirageAtoli on September 17, 2011, 08:36:23 am
I'm really not interested in doing this for another site...

What do you mean by another site? Not this forum or another domain?

I'd love to see the forum have an OpenID provider and the seperate wiki to accept OpenID.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 17, 2011, 05:27:50 pm
Another domain...
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Basara Suede Goo on September 18, 2011, 06:56:57 am
I see Claws' wiki and even help with update when I could. And this idea gonna fail if it's made in a wiki, just like Claws'.

Unless here in the forum there're moderators that could care about make that database up-to-date, and it's way easy to manage than a wiki, IMO. I support Nunor's idea, and I offer to be a mod for that subforum in the case this idea goes green light :)
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Titiln on September 18, 2011, 04:48:20 pm
And this idea gonna fail if it's made in a wiki, just like Claws'.
claws' wiki fell apart due to technical issues and not because people didn't care
Quote
Unless here in the forum there're moderators that could care about make that database up-to-date
you can assign moderators in a wiki too
Quote
and it's way easy to manage than a wiki, IMO.
no it's not. you can't keep track of who updated what. you can't use categories. wikis have much better search than forums. this is a stupid idea
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Mog on September 18, 2011, 06:20:46 pm
Would this replace anything currently on the forum?  Would this be a resource only or would people be able to comment? and is there a way to make it sorted by fields?

:bow:
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Iced on September 18, 2011, 09:56:13 pm
I think , until we manage to get val back ( and he implements a wiki into the main page, cuz that would be the better solution) the best solution is to setup two threads, where work for this would start, one stickied, the other with discussion and comments, both on mugen discussion. Then, whenever we get val back, we could implement a wiki into the main page and get something going on with more substance.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: The Aboriginal One on September 19, 2011, 12:39:17 am
Quote
and it's way easy to manage than a wiki, IMO.
no it's not. you can't keep track of who updated what. you can't use categories. wikis have much better search than forums. this is a stupid idea

This, plus the fact that the option to have the user choose between author, game, system, character, and many more are easier than on a forum, depending on the software, but not much, wikis can add categories just by a typing it in brackets, while you have to do the process of adding categories, threads, and such.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Foobs on September 19, 2011, 12:42:55 am
I think , until we manage to get val back ( and he implements a wiki into the main page, cuz that would be the better solution) the best solution is to setup two threads, where work for this would start, one stickied, the other with discussion and comments...

Eh, sounds an awful lot like certain overly ambitious "Let's rescue something guild had years ago" project that didn't go anywhere.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on September 19, 2011, 12:50:37 am
You should aim for English creators first. That's easier than aiming for Japanese creators IMO. If you see you're doing good with these ones, aim for the others then.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Just No Point on September 19, 2011, 01:04:31 am
I think , until we manage to get val back ( and he implements a wiki into the main page, cuz that would be the better solution) the best solution is to setup two threads, where work for this would start, one stickied, the other with discussion and comments...

Eh, sounds an awful lot like certain overly ambitious "Let's rescue something guild had years" project that didn't go anywhere.
I think it's a little different if the original person that did that to begin with wants to attempt and bring it back though.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Iced on September 19, 2011, 01:10:00 am
Eh, sounds an awful lot like certain overly ambitious "Let's rescue something guild had years" project that didn't go anywhere.

=D hey rajaa ended up reviving the awards right, even if my first project to revive them fell on its butt.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 19, 2011, 04:56:12 am
Guess i'll have to revive the Mugen Fighters Guild...
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Shamrock on September 19, 2011, 05:16:41 am
Nunor My mugen wiki just went down and I can't afford to keep it going. I can bring it here and it will serve your purpose. Also if it is here, people might update it more.

There was an alphabetical list of creators and the search worked very well.

I wish I can show what I was talking about, but creator even had there own pages. Ask the others about it. It was fun.

It was updateable by anyone with really lax rules. If it became the guild's instead of mine then people could post here and update their characters there, which was the original idea but only few did it.

So if you have server space, then it might be good.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: MirageAtoli on September 19, 2011, 07:49:51 am
The database should be able to do intersections when searching.

for example 'source_game:MvC1 and character:Ryu'.

I'm not sure if MediaWiki etc. can do that, and haven't spent to much time try to search that way.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Iced on September 19, 2011, 01:38:47 pm
Guess i'll have to revive the Mugen Fighters Guild...
ive already contacted val, do you want to start with the two threads thing where one is stickied and the other is normal and people comment there?
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 19, 2011, 03:15:35 pm
Iced, for now don't create the threads, since there's not an agreement that it's the best choice...
I will however probably will ask you again later if you can create a thread for it for people to comment but in another context.

Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Iced on September 19, 2011, 03:26:07 pm
I wish I could give you a more definite answer.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: volzzilla on September 19, 2011, 08:09:06 pm
i loved what shamrock did with his wiki. if that could be taken over by the guild, that'd be great.

and can integrate it into the forum for the database portion by creating subsections that redirect right into the links of the wiki DB.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 19, 2011, 10:18:08 pm
something like the booru pages seems better,you can add tags to character's pages to make it more flexible, the image could be just a screenshot collage of the specific character, since most of the info will come from the tags anyway.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 19, 2011, 11:34:22 pm
Nunor My mugen wiki just went down and I can't afford to keep it going. I can bring it here and it will serve your purpose. Also if it is here, people might update it more.

There was an alphabetical list of creators and the search worked very well.

I wish I can show what I was talking about, but creator even had there own pages. Ask the others about it. It was fun.

It was updateable by anyone with really lax rules. If it became the guild's instead of mine then people could post here and update their characters there, which was the original idea but only few did it.

So if you have server space, then it might be good.

I only have my multimania account. I think i can't install a wiki there...
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Titiln on September 19, 2011, 11:56:31 pm
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Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Just No Point on September 20, 2011, 12:18:37 am
I have no idea how to set up a wiki. I assume you need a database though :P

Until Val gets back and can hopefully put the wiki on the front of Guild I can offer you web space and a database to get it started. Then It can be transferred to Guild.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Iced on September 20, 2011, 12:22:41 am
Without val around we dont have the keys to do anything out of the board. If anyone sees val around, tell him to get here. =p

Also, it would be a good idea to consider using the work shamrock already has avaliable, he should have it saved .
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 20, 2011, 12:26:41 am
use this: http://code.shishnet.org/shimmie2/ fuck wikis
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: The Aboriginal One on September 21, 2011, 02:11:20 am
Imageboards sound intriguing.... too intriguing.

I don't think it would be wise to do so, gut instinct.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 22, 2011, 12:43:00 am
I've reopend the Guild, with a new format, similar to the one i've presented here...
Will try to keep it updated and add more sections soon...

Admins, can i create a thread for people to comment and share links and corrections ?


http://mugenguild.atspace.eu/ (http://mugenguild.atspace.eu/)
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Just No Point on September 22, 2011, 05:54:07 am
I don't know if I want to say "Holy crap it's a blast from the past!" or "Holy crap it's Random Select!"

Oh wait...
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 22, 2011, 03:51:09 pm
In case you don't know the pages in Random Select site that are equal to mine were hosted there with my permission...
But they came from the Guild in the first place...
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Just No Point on September 22, 2011, 03:53:40 pm
Oh I remember. Me and Ash were responsible for updating Guild for a time. But let's not go into that crazy bit of history :P
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 22, 2011, 06:12:49 pm
Forgot that was you :P
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Werewood on September 22, 2011, 09:16:39 pm
I've reopend the Guild, with a new format, similar to the one i've presented here...
Will try to keep it updated and add more sections soon...

Admins, can i create a thread for people to comment and share links and corrections ?


http://mugenguild.atspace.eu/ (http://mugenguild.atspace.eu/)

yay! the "long time no see" MFG database is back!   :o

well, it needs some serious update though, keep it up man!  :sugoi:
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 22, 2011, 10:51:48 pm
When you say serious update is of the sections already there or the missing ones ?
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Basara Suede Goo on September 25, 2011, 06:11:48 am
Ow wow, what a memories with that page :tearsofjoy: can I suggest some stuff in the page??

-Big Bang Beat is a doujin-game and not made by SNK, so I don't think it's a good idea put it in Neo Geo section
-Capuchino's SS chars (Haohmaru, Genjuro and Shizumaru) are hosted to their last versions on my website :)
-You could create a section called "Doujin Games" where you can add someof them like Melty Blood, EFZ, BBB and others, as a separate section

I wanted to help with the page... also, why not to ask about a subdomain in mugenguild.com?? something like "http://mugenguild.com/database/"
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: tehdevil on September 25, 2011, 09:50:33 am
Nice to see you back ;D It is my second or third Mugen website that I visited your Mugen Fighters Guild website ever since I know Mugen where I remember browsing your database to download many characters at that time together with my friend back in Dos era which gives me some good old memories and nostalgia :ninja: and also I like the way you add the Fighters of the week in your website where you describe about the creations that is the fighters of the week. I can still remember you wrote a comment about Zero by Iccha "I'm happy. My favorite fighter has been finally converted to Mugen......For those you never played with Zero like me, this is a great opportunity to play with one of the best fighters ever created. Just get him and enjoy. " something like this, I can't remember much :P and that is the first character that I download in my dos Mugen to try out this great character 8)

- I got some comment to make about your new website database:
- In the character section where you link the creator's website, I prefer the link when I click on it and it opens into a new window
- There are some characters' links that are need to fixed:
 - In Neogeo Battle Coliseum section:
  - Ainotenshi also made a Nakoruru
  - There is a typo: Hotaru Futaba : Juke Kisaragi">Juke Kisaragi
  - Moriya, Jin Chonrei and Jin Chonshu by Ryo2005 should be in Special Version since their gameplay is based on Rage of Dragon Series
  - Rock by Vyn is Capcom vs SNK's version not Neogeo Battle Coliseum's version
  - Ahuron and Jin made a Mr.Karate other than Duende Macabro
  - Yuki by Basara-Kun should be placed in special version since he have other moves which doesn't appear in Neogeo battle Coliseum

 - In Garou Mark of the Wolves section:
  - Freeman and Jae Hoon by K.O.D should placed in Special version as they play more like they are in KoF games
  - Gato by K.O.D is from KoF Games
  - Gato by Tin should be placed in Special Version as well
  - Tizoc by Crosscat is from KoF Games

 - In The Last Blade Section:
  - Hibiki Takane is not made by Abuhachi
  - For Mukuro, you should separate Ahuron and Hal's website
  - Shinnosuke Kagami is also done by Ohgaki as well

 - In Samurai Shodown Section:
  - Andrew is missing and it is made by Montana and Ohgaki (Last Blade gameplay which should be put in Special Version Section)
  - Amakusa, Basara, Iroha, and Zankuro are also made by Montana
  - Earthquake by mouser should be placed in SvC Chaos Section
  - Galford by Seiryu & Mugeni's website: http://mugen.shijyou.com/
  - Haohmaru by K.O.D should be placed in Neogeo Battle Coliseum Section
  - Nakoruru are also made by Warusaki3: http://www.geocities.jp/jun_tamayochan/menu
  - Poppy, Sankuro and Yumeiji by Taruse: http://www42.tok2.com/home/nyankiryuold/
  - Ahuron did not make a Rasyouzin Miduki
  - Intense_Mc also made a Tachibana Ukyo which is offline
  - Misao also made a Yoshitora Tokugawa

 - In SvC:Chaos Section
  - Demitri by Ex-Inferis should be placed in Special Version
  - Gouken by Aragan should be placed in Special version since he did not appear in SvC:Chaos and is an edited character
  - Raposo made a Vega(Claw)
  - Crosscat also made a Zero

 - In Fatal Fury Section
  - Alfred by Taruse is hosted in http://randomselect.piiym.net/
  - Bob Wilson by crosscat should be place in Special Version since he is made into Kof style
  - NHK's website is not link to Rick and Li Xiang Fei: http://nhkxx.web.fc2.com/

I guess that is all for now, thanks for your Mugen database for the past and future, will appreciate it
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Shining Zio on September 25, 2011, 10:01:48 am
Rajaa never made Sion Tatari, He only made the normal Sion.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Palette Jesus on September 25, 2011, 12:55:35 pm
The first version of Sion was a two in one character; Vampire Sion was selectable by holding start while selecting Sion. I'm confused as to why you brought this up, though.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on September 25, 2011, 01:45:46 pm
Posting a link:

http://page.freett.com/mugen_m3/

In Products, you can find:

- 3 Melty Blood characters with custom gameplay (Kohaku, Ryougi and White Len).
- 1 Len edit that fights similar to Rachel Alucard in Blazblue.
- Yuri and Tamara from Million Knights Vermillion
- Hotaru from KoFXI (don't know if it truly uses that gameplay or not)
- Senna from Big Bang Beat with custom gameplay.
- 2 characters that I don't know where they are from.

There's also two AI patches and other add-ons.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 25, 2011, 04:09:50 pm
Ow wow, what a memories with that page :tearsofjoy: can I suggest some stuff in the page??

-Big Bang Beat is a doujin-game and not made by SNK, so I don't think it's a good idea put it in Neo Geo section
-Capuchino's SS chars (Haohmaru, Genjuro and Shizumaru) are hosted to their last versions on my website :)
-You could create a section called "Doujin Games" where you can add someof them like Melty Blood, EFZ, BBB and others, as a separate section

I wanted to help with the page... also, why not to ask about a subdomain in mugenguild.com?? something like "http://mugenguild.com/database/"

Thank for pointing out that BBB mistake. Will correct right away. As well as Capuchino's chars link ;)

I was already thinking in creating a Doujin or a Touhou Section (Is it the same?) but i need to get hands on a more complete list first. You already gave me 3 :P

As for the subdomain guess i've to ask Valodim if there's a room for me...


- corrected Sion Eltnam Atlasia for Rajaa ??? Is this correct now ?
- M3 Link added

and finaly a big thanks devilgenemugen for pointing out that many corrections ( --;)

All are now corrected and online.
Thank you all for the feedback...

Next section coming up Capcom vs SNK  ;)


EDIT : KoopaKoot Shiki should be on SVC or NGBC ? (my classification is by sprite rip first)
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: tehdevil on September 25, 2011, 06:34:22 pm
and finaly a big thanks devilgenemugen for pointing out that many corrections ( --;)
No problem man, I am a big fan of your Mugen page and I am glad I could help  ;D oh and also don't forget to update your wiki section as well  ;)

EDIT : KoopaKoot Shiki should be on SVC or NGBC ? (my classification is by sprite rip first)
I think you can link it to these two section. Both SVC and NGBC
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 25, 2011, 08:18:14 pm
Thanks. I've found a way to get some old links back too with Internet Archive WayBack,
so many old link will be "online" again soon like :

Nana :
http://web.archive.org/web/20060428054525/http://taiyakiugh.hp.infoseek.co.jp/

Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Iced on September 25, 2011, 08:27:24 pm
nunor, check the request area,there is a thread there with author pages
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 25, 2011, 08:49:07 pm
Cool  :D That's gonna be a big help.

I'll try to post some updates there whenever i found them. Or they can get them at the Guild too.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: tehdevil on September 26, 2011, 04:29:20 am
There are some more typo I forgot to point out  --;

In Neogeo Battle Coliseum Section:
- Rock Howard by Ryo2005 should be placed in Special Version since his gameplay is based on Rage of Dragon Series

In Last Blade Section:
- Setsuna and Hibiki by HSR new website link should be this: http://wakusei2.web.fc2.com/

In Samurai Shodown Section:
- EKen55's Haohmaru should be in Capcom vs SNK's Special version section since the creator is using Capcom vs SNK sprites
- Yoshitora Tokugawa by Misao's link is not linked: http://ux.getuploader.com/umana_mugen/
- Shin Gaoh by Montana should not be in Special version as he appear in the original Samurai Shodown 6 game

In Power Instinct Matrimelee Section:
- There is a typo in this line: Keith Wayne : <Mouser
- Billy Lee does not appear in Power Instinct Matrimelee

In Waku Waku 7 Section:
- There is a typo in the top page where you forgot to add the title Waku Waku 7 Sunsoft - 1996
- Arina, Tesse, Dandy J and PoliTank-Z by NHK is not linked: http://nhkxx.web.fc2.com/

In Fatal Fury Section:
- Geese Howard by Ahuron should not be placed in Special version since this version appear in Real Bout Fatal Fury Special

In Galaxy Fight Section:
- Roomi by Ali should be placed in Special Version since she is in Kof Style

In kabuki Klash Section:
- Manjimaru Sengoku by Iccha's link is here: http://www.geocities.jp/onndoxuru/index.html

In Kizuna Encounter Section:
- Shin Shishioh by Nobun and Tin's link should be separated
- Ahuron also made a Shin Shishioh
- Kage Shishioh by Tin Should be placed in Special Version since his gameplay is mixed from other game

In Art of Fighting Section:
- Fred's Link is here: http://mugen-aof.chez-alice.fr/
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 27, 2011, 12:11:20 am
You got a good eye  :P

All corrections made.
As for Billy i saw in a site that he was a hidden character of the game. That's why i put it in PIM too.
Is it wrong ? And the others i put there as hidden chars ?

Also, most links now open in a new page.
Some are not but no need to point them out yet as i'm correcting as i go...

Thanks again for the precious feedback :)


Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: tehdevil on September 27, 2011, 03:30:16 am
As for Billy i saw in a site that he was a hidden character of the game. That's why i put it in PIM too.
Is it wrong ? And the others i put there as hidden chars ?
Yeah, it is wrong, Billy doesn't appear in Power Instinct Matrimelee, only Jimmy, Lynn, Elias and Jones are hidden characters in that game
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 27, 2011, 04:06:19 am
Ok.

Have another question. I'm compiling the CVS section ( o_O) and already have update some sections with
chars like Hotaru(Warusaki3) in the Garou section since her sprites come from that game and then has a CVS gameplay and system...

Still i have doubts she should stay there or go to the CVS special versions...
And she's one of many...

What's your (you and everyone else that would like to answer) tought about this ?
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: tehdevil on September 27, 2011, 04:18:12 am
I would think that add her in both section, Garou Mark of the wolves and Capcom vs SNK under Special version
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 27, 2011, 06:52:09 pm
Ok.

Have another question. I'm compiling the CVS section ( o_O) and already have update some sections with
chars like Hotaru(Warusaki3) in the Garou section since her sprites come from that game and then has a CVS gameplay and system...

Still i have doubts she should stay there or go to the CVS special versions...
And she's one of many...

What's your (you and everyone else that would like to answer) tought about this ?

That's why some people suggested to use a different way to sort info as trees are very limited for this.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Basara Suede Goo on September 27, 2011, 10:35:46 pm
I was already thinking in creating a Doujin or a Touhou Section (Is it the same?) but i need to get hands on a more complete list first. You already gave me 3 :P

EDIT : KoopaKoot Shiki should be on SVC or NGBC ? (my classification is by sprite rip first)
Sure, no prob ;) glad to help you. Here's a list about some Doujin games that deseves a list:
-Melty Blood
-Eternal Fighters Zero
-Fate series
-Big Bang Beat
-Touhou series
-Akatsuki Blitzkampf
-Various (those ones that aren't enough for a sole section)

About Koop's Shiki, I say both, since it's a megamix of SVC and NGBC

Ok.

Have another question. I'm compiling the CVS section ( o_O) and already have update some sections with
chars like Hotaru(Warusaki3) in the Garou section since her sprites come from that game and then has a CVS gameplay and system...

Still i have doubts she should stay there or go to the CVS special versions...
And she's one of many...

What's your (you and everyone else that would like to answer) tought about this ?
I say just put the chars that are from that game only (CVS1-2), the ones with special gameplay (a.k.a. CVS gameplay), should be in the sections of their origin games as special versions. As you said about CVS Hotaru, she should be in Garou's special section instead CVS
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 27, 2011, 10:43:52 pm
EDIT : KoopaKoot Shiki should be on SVC or NGBC ? (my classification is by sprite rip first)

you forgot kof.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: tehdevil on September 28, 2011, 03:07:01 am
Some creations from their respective games such as Neogeo Battle Coliseum and SvC Chaos have Kof gameplay like Haohmaru by K.O.D, Washizuka by Raposo, Mr.Karate by Ahuron and Jin, Rock Howard by Jin, Tung by Raposo, Earthquake by Mouser, Vega by Raposo but I think maybe putting them in special version as well in KOF section :-\ and also how about some characters that does not appear in cvs2 but are converted to cvs2's gameplay like Warusaki3's Juni, Captain Commando, Kuroko, Sieger, Guy etc just to name a few? But I suggest maybe putting them in both section like Hotaru, you can add her in both Garou Mark of the Wolves's special version as well as Capcom vs SNK's Special version and also for Kuroko and Sieger, you can add them in both Samurai Shodown Special Version and Capcom vs SNk's Special Version, I would feel it makes much sense to me...
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 28, 2011, 05:00:14 am
I think also that Warusaki creations not in CVS should be in both sections (game of origin and Cvs),
altough i would like to avoid many link duplication...

For now i'm only putting them in one section, but as soon as i have a more efficient link system i can put
some in more than one section...

BTW, Capcom vs SNK is now online...
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: tehdevil on September 28, 2011, 04:49:14 pm
For your Capcom vs Snk section,
- You forgot to add Warusaki3's links to Cammy, Chun-Li, Dan, Evil Ryu, Guile, Shin Gouki, God Rugal, Violent Ken
- Mature and Choi is not in Capcom vs SNK games
- For Mature by Tjun, you can add her in Special Version if you want since she did not appear in Capcom vs SNK games
- Zsaber also made a Haohmaru which is hosted here: http://randomselect.piiym.net/
- Zemial is an edited character of Kaede from Last Blade and is not from Capcom vs SNK game
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Shining Zio on September 28, 2011, 05:01:33 pm
Ahuron made a Kim Sueil if you must know.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 28, 2011, 05:19:17 pm
this is why tags  are better. can't you somehow incorporate them in the way your menu works or are you using pure html ?
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on September 28, 2011, 10:56:43 pm
I'm old school.. It's all pure html.
Still i will think of a way of putting tags in the char...

I Will upload corrections in a while, but have a question.
I have Violent  Ken in the special section, but he is a char of the game or are they edits of Ken ?

Kim Sueil was added to the Kizuna section.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 29, 2011, 12:36:54 am
the tag engine can be done using simple javascript code.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: tehdevil on September 29, 2011, 03:34:03 am
I Will upload corrections in a while, but have a question.
I have Violent  Ken in the special section, but he is a char of the game or are they edits of Ken ?
He only appear in SNK vs Capcom Chaos
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on October 01, 2011, 07:29:22 pm
New sections online :

Guilty Gear
Sengoku 3
Vampire Savior
CyberBots FM Madness

as always feedback, additions or removals are appreciated...

http://mugenguild.atspace.eu/start.html (http://mugenguild.atspace.eu/start.html)
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: tehdevil on October 03, 2011, 02:02:27 pm
Guilty Gear section:
- Typo: Robo-Ky Mk. II : Ukege in special version section, should be Robo-Ky Mk. III : Ukege
- Old Robo-Ky by Ukege should be put in non-special version since he appear in Guilty Gear X and XX in the original fighting game

Vampire Saviour Section:
- Bishamon is made by 3ha and it is not Oboro-Bishamon
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Basara Suede Goo on October 04, 2011, 12:42:22 am
Here's some feedback about Vampire section:
-Vampire Savior is one of the games of the saga, the name of the section should be Darkstalkers (also known as Vampire in Japan)
-3ha's Bishamon (not Oboro one) should be in special section since it has elements of various games and the gameplay is custom
-O Ilusionista made an Anita, too. But her gameplay is custom, so she should be in special section
-Kung Fu Man made Dee
-R@ce45 made Lord Raptor/Zabel
-Morrigan and Felicia already appeared in Marvel vs. games, so I think the MVC versions of them should be better in (a future) Marvel vs. section instead special section, IMO
-Kong made Jedah, also like Cray's Gallon, it has MVC gameplay
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Sima Shi on October 04, 2011, 06:10:48 am
hmm can you add this section

these game made by capcom & arc system (the maker of GG series) is this labed on capcom?

Sengoku Basara X Section

Date Masamune - Neat Unsou
Katakura Kojuro - Neat Unsou
Mouri Motonari - Neat Unsou
Sanada Yukimura - Syouga
Uesugi Kenshin - Syouga
Maeda Keiji - Rei , Ahuron (offline) , tukisuna , Syouga
Toyotomi Hideyoshi - Kuri , Rei
Takenaka Hanbei - Tukisuna ,
Oda Nobunaga - Rei ,
Chousokabe Motochika - Gal129 ,
Honda Tadakatsu - Rei
Oichi -

Also add this to MB section on these len edits

Lian - Marktwo
S-len - pprn
Lenja - 3ha
Nero Len (N-Len) - Ouchi 
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on October 04, 2011, 06:29:52 am
Basara-X section is already completed although not yet online... ;D
I put it in the Capcom section. Will upload it as well others sections and corrections indicated here really soon...

Did Rei really made a Maeda Keiji ? Can't find it in his site...
As for the Len Edits wil added them except 3ha one that i tested and did not work in the latest mugen version....

Thanks for the input  guys ;)


Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Sima Shi on October 04, 2011, 06:35:31 am
3ha's lenja (she works on 1.0 if you put silvan ai patch)

well yes rei made maeda keiji (original char from ahuron he just  added a striker and some stuffs)
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on October 04, 2011, 05:56:38 pm
I've uploaded the corrections and addtions, except for some Len Edits Wargame-Kun mentioned that i still have to add later today...

Also new sections online :

Marvel Super Heroes
Sengoku Basara-X
Red Earth
Akatsuki Blitzkampf

Marvel Super Heroes section is not complete yet...
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Basara Suede Goo on October 04, 2011, 10:08:15 pm
I've some additions for Samurai Shodown section:
-Some misspelling in char names:
   -Genan Siranui -> Gen-an Shiranui
   -Rasyouzin Miduki -> Rashoujin Mizuki
-Lord Sinistro made Amakusa, Haohmaru and Tam-Tam, all of them from SS1
-3ha made a custom SS char: Gen Kiba, an edit of Genjuro
-Ali made a Zankuro edit for April's Joke (actually offline): Super Japanese
-Pinko made Iroha
-P-Tan made Mina in KOF version
-Ainotenshi made an edits of Rimururu: Rimusin Ruruki and Shino Kamui Rimuhime
-Yaten made Nicotine Caffeine
-Also, there're Cerenas' SS creations, all of them cutoms. Later I'll tell you the names of their chars

EDIT: Some chars from Sengoku 3:
-Byakki was made by Ryon and another one by Grunge&Jersy (https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=f2e67526a36140cc&sc=documents&id=F2E67526A36140CC%21173#cid=F2E67526A36140CC&id=F2E67526A36140CC%21114&sc=documents)
-Kongoh and Okuni were made by Actarus (http://fanaticmugen.free.fr/index.php?section=chars#sengoku3)
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on October 07, 2011, 11:09:19 pm
Upload some more corrections and additions as well 3 new sections :

Blazblue
Fist of the North Star
and Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.

In Jojo is The World a character of the game  ?

I've introduced a section status for mentioning updates in every section and moved all offline links to the left...

I've separated also the Fatal Fury section in two subsections (Fatal Fury + Real Bout) since the sprite are different.
This separation will also be in others sections like the upcoming Stree Fighter section where the sprites change in every Series(SF, SF2, SFA,SFIII...)

If you find any mistake in the Fatal Fury section please report it.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: JudaiZX on October 07, 2011, 11:56:58 pm
I noticed theres one more Jin that isnt listed in the blazblue section

Jin Kisaragi XI by DaNaru250
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=133897.0
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on October 08, 2011, 12:47:14 am
Thanks. I missed that one...
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: tehdevil on October 08, 2011, 03:30:54 am
In Marvel Super Heroes section:
- Abyss should not be in special version since he appear in Marvel vs Capcom 2
- Marrow should not be placed in special version as she also appear in marvel vs Capcom 2
- For hidden characters like Mega Warmachine, U.S Agent, Venom X (I believe is Red Venom), I believe they should not be placed in Special version since they appear in original vs. series game as hidden character and is not edited character

In Jojo section:
- Black Polnareff and Young Joseph Joestar should not be placed in Special version as they appear in original Jojo's game
- For The World, he is an edited character and he doesn't appear in the original game

In Red Earth Section:
- Cray made a Kanji/Mukuro which you did not add a link there

In Fatal Fury section:
- Fatal Fury 3 and Real Bout Fatal Fury should be put together since their sprites are about the same and place under Real Bout Section
- Li Xiangfei should not be there
- In Special version section, I think you forgot to remove those characters there since non of them are from the old Fatal Fury Game

In Real Bout Fatal Fury Section:
- there is a typo: Kim Kap Hwan : Kazuya(RB), Mouser(RB), Brown(FFS),Tora(RB)
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on October 09, 2011, 01:17:58 am
I think i corrected everything  --;

Kenji/Mururo by Cray was already in the special version (correct ?)

I also removed from Fatal Fury subsection Li Xianfei, Bob Wilson, Hon Fu , Ryuji Yamazaki, and Sokaku Mochizuki
which i believe only appeared in FF3. I Hope it's correct.

Will add some more fighters to some sections tonight...

Thanks !!!
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: tehdevil on October 09, 2011, 01:37:43 am
Kenji/Mururo by Cray was already in the special version (correct ?)
Cray made two Kenji/Mukuro, one is with MvC2-EOH gameplay and another is from Red Earth

I also removed from Fatal Fury subsection Li Xianfei, Bob Wilson, Hon Fu , Ryuji Yamazaki, and Sokaku Mochizuki
which i believe only appeared in FF3. I Hope it's correct.
Except Li Xiangfei, she did not appear in FF3 and also one typo which I did not mention:
Andy Bogard : Bad Darkness(RB2), Taruse(RBDM), Tora(RB)
Taruse did not made Andy Bogard
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on October 09, 2011, 05:18:44 am
Yep, don't know where i got that  o_O
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on October 09, 2011, 10:56:30 am
You're missing two Kyko from the Guilty Gear section:

Ky-chan by Zero-Sennin: http://zerosenworkshop.x10hosting.com/

Kyko-Grossese by way-oh & Panda: http://page.freett.com/okotowari/frame.html

Also, it appears you made a mistake and even covered the name of the character with a hyper link. You may want to correct that.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Sima Shi on October 09, 2011, 04:22:05 pm
@nanashi seriouly dont put that kyko-grossese by way-oh and Panda?

 its obviously a NSFW char or +18 char replace it by beppu and panda one instead of that (although its the same as ZS ky-chan
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on October 10, 2011, 01:48:57 pm
Kyko-Grossese doesn't have anything +18. I've checked it, and I didn't see anything (I only checked how she fights). If she's compatible with Kumoraro or whatever that thing is called, then just don't trigger it. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Sima Shi on October 10, 2011, 04:15:40 pm
i see.
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Basara Suede Goo on October 11, 2011, 11:08:59 pm
Some stuff about Hungry Wolf section:
*Fatal Fury:
-Ixnaydk made a custom version for FF1 Terry Bogard (avaliable in PaoDeMugen)
-Blue Mary oficially appeared in Fatal Fury 3, so since you merged that game in RB section, she shouldn't be there, same for Franco Bash
-In Geese Howard, appeared Masa twice
-Falchion22 made Andy Bogard and Mai Shiranui from FFS
-Star Platinum made Terry Bogard from FF3, not from FF1/2/S
*Real Bout:
-O Ilusionista made 2 versions of Bob Wilson, one of them is custom and with a lot of FX called "Bob Wilson EX"
-Alfred first was made with KOF by MugenChina guys (probably Misamu), then Vans used those sprites to make his own version
-Hiram Yagami made a custom version of RB2 Mai Shiranui
-Ironmugen (David Demianoff) made Jin Chonshu from FF3 and RB1, Terry Bogard from RBS, Geese Howard from RBS and the edited characters Eddy Stanley (edited from Kim) and Laurent Demianoff (edited from Yamazaki)
-Cannon Musume's Geese has custom gameplay, should be in special section
-Star Platinum made Franco Bash from RB2, Billy Kane from RB2 and Terry Bogard from FF3. Also, found his old web hosted in Web Archive (http://web.archive.org/web/20070705043311/http://wrestlingarena2.free.fr/star.html) and all downloads worked ;)
-Pneophen made Duck King from RBS
-Bad Darkness made Tung Fu Rue from RBS
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Iced on October 11, 2011, 11:13:02 pm
Guys? Maybe its about time a specific mugen discussion thread is made for this? =P
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Basara Suede Goo on October 11, 2011, 11:26:31 pm
I say yes :D
Title: Re: Idea for SubForum
Post by: Nunor on October 11, 2011, 11:27:02 pm
Any sugestions on where ?

M.U.G.E.N Discussion :P ?