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M.U.G.E.N Central => FullGame development => SNK Gals Fighters => Topic started by: Koop on October 12, 2011, 10:55:19 pm

Title: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on October 12, 2011, 10:55:19 pm
This will be game with KOF Style gameplay with an all female cast. Most of the cast is from KOF, but there will be a few others as well.

Gameplay:

-KOF 2002 gameplay system with MAX Cancel system
-Single vs Single rounds
-5 power bars
-Juggles will be more like the later KOF games (more time to juggle) with some characters having anywhere juggle specials/desperation moves
-Attack cancel rolls will be added (something I haven't done before)
-Power Charge will NOT be included
-Some characters will have EX modes by holding start when you select them

Roster:

Final Roster will have around 20 characters. I reveal more as the game progresses (Updated 10/24/2011):

-Mai Shiranui
-Akari Ichijo
-Shiki
-Leona Heidern
-Shermie

Feel free to ask questions and make suggestions.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Jmorphman on October 13, 2011, 12:08:04 am
Miss X better be the final boss.

I don't care if it's only a single sprite either!!!!
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: CCIronmugen on October 13, 2011, 12:18:52 am
When you say 2002 system with MAX, are you including MAX2/HSDM ?
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on October 13, 2011, 11:45:20 am
Yes. Every character will have a HSDM.

Miss X better be the final boss.

I don't care if it's only a single sprite either!!!!

I've been talking to one or two people about this....
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Segatron on October 13, 2011, 12:05:46 pm
Hey  tell me if boss character is other than miss x
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: ecthelionv2 on October 13, 2011, 02:19:30 pm
Vice and Mature?

Malin?

I'm assuming you want girls from the other series as well, yes?

*Is very curious as well*
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Magma MK-II on October 18, 2011, 02:47:57 pm
Will you use edites sprites, or just existing characters from KoF and NGBC?
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on October 18, 2011, 03:13:32 pm
Hey  tell me if boss character is other than miss x

Depends on if I can get Miss X sprites or not. There will be another boss character though.

Will you use edites sprites, or just existing characters from KoF and NGBC?

Similar to the 1st quote. This will be dependant on the availability and quality of custom sprites, coupled with how quickly those sprites are completed.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: walt on October 18, 2011, 08:36:56 pm
yo yo yo KK!

What about the stages, anything special that you might have in mind? :D

Character specific stages? Game specific? Any edited to make it look Girlier? :P

Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on October 18, 2011, 10:20:05 pm
Stages will be existing stages that fit in with the style.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: AerosMugen on October 19, 2011, 01:41:53 am
Edited characters like Lien, Luise, or that female Goenitz?
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on October 19, 2011, 11:52:17 am
Probably not. But if "someone" (nudge nudge wink wink) could sprite Miss X, than that would be a definate.  ;)
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: walt on October 19, 2011, 04:36:26 pm
So, I just went ahead and informed myself a little bit. So Miss X is IORI YAGAMI dressed as a woman?
Exact same moveset, no changes?
IS THAT A HAKAMA or a long skirt?
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 19, 2011, 05:05:13 pm
long skirt as used by yankee girls it has a fuckton of pleads to differentiate form a hakama at first sight.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on October 19, 2011, 05:19:06 pm
@ Walt

-Yes Miss X is Yagami dressed as a woman
-Same moveset
-It's a long skirt and not a hakama.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: walt on October 19, 2011, 05:37:35 pm
LOL
(http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt305/cci_walt/Sprites/LOL.png)

Actually, it's a lot easier to sprite than I thought. I can post a small tutorial on how to tackle this one, if anyone offers their time.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on October 19, 2011, 05:58:08 pm
Please make a tutorial. With pictures.  :)
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Magma MK-II on October 19, 2011, 06:36:44 pm
You could use that SvC Crazy Iori Midnight Blissed sprite for reference.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Lord Drak-kof on October 20, 2011, 04:11:35 pm
How about about Blue Blood's Kushinada Yuki?
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on October 20, 2011, 04:44:50 pm
 ;)
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: ZeroInNothingness on October 24, 2011, 02:25:21 am
=D If this was FB, I'd make 900 accounts and like this. This means that the Max Mode system's gonna be like 2002 instead of XIII though, right?
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on October 24, 2011, 11:51:00 pm
Thanks.

1st Post was updated 10/24/2011

http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=134946.msg1445521#msg1445521
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: blue_blood on October 26, 2011, 12:06:29 am
Mm...
What about this one?

(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/9311/missx.gif)

Made by EFEX long time ago.
Looks good for me.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: walt on October 26, 2011, 12:17:33 am
Actually, I made that sprite edit in just a few minutes. I see eFeX did the same I did -  just sprite easy clothes over Iori ... where as people around here seemingly expect an ACTUAL FEMALE Character, which would pretty much defeat the purpose of Miss X's existence.

If I were to make some edits for this character, which I'm not saying I will, I'd sprite over Iori, to keep the nonsensical comedic effect of a badass in drag
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: blue_blood on October 26, 2011, 03:08:09 am
A little gift for your project:

(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/286/b/7/miss_x_color_portrait_by_blueblood2-d4cqbcd.gif)

I made it for Yuki's story board, but I guess it could be useful here too.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: NiO ErZeBeTh on October 26, 2011, 04:24:07 am
Mm...
What about this one?

(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/9311/missx.gif)

Made by EFEX long time ago.
Looks good for me.

well, he should ask Misamu about his Iori XIII... I got permission from it, and seem easier to edit than the classic Iori, except for a few missing moves... that makes me remember I have things to do there
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: walt on October 27, 2011, 07:12:39 am
Well, ASK HIM THEN! THE WORLD MUST KNOW FOR SURE!!
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: carcamiiwiis on October 30, 2011, 06:05:44 am
You can use a Yuki kushinada made by blue and Fervicante
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: blue_blood on October 31, 2011, 12:51:20 am
"Awesome" proposal, guy :omg:
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: carcamiiwiis on October 31, 2011, 05:17:11 am
"Awesome" proposal, guy :omg:

I forgot with your permission sorry :(
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: blue_blood on October 31, 2011, 09:24:02 pm
Now is better.
Thanks.
And of course he has my permission but should ask to Fervicante.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Magma MK-II on November 01, 2011, 02:22:11 pm
I believe this would be a permission only for the sprites, since Koopakoot is doing his own coding.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 01, 2011, 05:17:13 pm
The animation file and maybe other stuff to might be heavily salvageable, if nto the code by itself, the timingn and velocity parameters, especially when one is used to making ripped stuff because it's not that simple to come up with stuff that works.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: blue_blood on November 03, 2011, 03:24:10 am
(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7333/efex.gif)  (http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/904/walt.gif)

Forgetting the fact that I can't even see WALT in picture... I'd like to have a third oppinion, because I have serious doubts about the Efex Sprite. I suggested to use it, alright, but I'm not sure why he chose those "folds" on the skirt. I think there are wrong. Misplaced.
On the other hand Walt's one it's awfully sprited, even when I admit that the general shading of the skirt is correct (Always taking Athena XI skirt as base, or Junko's skirt, but this last one it's a little different just like old Athena 97 intro school outfits)

Here, SVC Miss X, just to see a LONG skirt after KOF 2003:

(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8900/missxbase.gif)

I'd take this for reproduce the "boards" (Tables?):
(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/8349/athenaxi.gif)

Let me explain myself before having an "argument" or something... I'm interested in this project. One of my sprited chars will be here (maybe 2), so I'd like to give a hand if I can. And I'm not interested on having a trouble with no one, alright?
I'd like to do a little attemp to animate the stand sprite to build the first animation of this potencial new char (I'm not taking the job, but just like someone here, I'd like to do some "tests" with others's work)
So... I don't know, Thedge, or any other VERY GOOD spriter who could give us a hand just to decide how to start? I'm not asking for píxels or spriting work, just for an opinion. Feedback if you wanna use the word.
Thanks in advance...
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: blue_blood on November 03, 2011, 04:57:12 am
(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4011/pruebax.gif)

Well, I couldn't wait, sorry.
I'd have liked to add more "darkness" or "shadows" between the legs... But this kind of skirt is pretty rigid, so I considered better to don't add it. (Also, if you take female miss X or Junto Sendo you don't find the dark color there)
Also, I added 4 or 5 white píxels in order to complete the "scarf" (next to the neck)
I don't know if nail polish is well applied. It takes the last píxel of the fingers, but I think that make fingers look shorter. We should prolong the fingers one píxel more?
I still take advices, so feel free of commenting... Kindly!
Good night.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: NiO ErZeBeTh on November 03, 2011, 10:52:51 am
looks cool, but it loos like a rounded shadow, like a u and it should be more like a n line taking in consideration the leg positions...

it seems like that between the legs is air or something like that, mmmh kinda hard to explain, not sure if I could give a hand and show you what I mean later

EDIT: a bit more like this

(http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae215/nioexe/SPRAC%20STUFF/pruebax2.gif)
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: blue_blood on November 03, 2011, 03:28:16 pm
I understand you well, Emo.
Was a nice try to play with the "n" form, because you are trying to pronounce the "empty space" between the legs (just as I proposed in my last post) but you destroyed the "folds" of the Skirt in the process :P
Also It looks like you took the Junko's skirt shading (Add one color to the bottom of skirt, giving more light to the folds) It's not bad, but I still prefer Athena XI model. (With just 2 colors, not 3) It's a little basic, but easier and doesn't blur the form of the folds.
However, even if i wouldn't take the "n" form we still could make a less pronounced "U" form. I can see your point, Nio and I guess I'll try to use it. Don't worry about "later", I'll take your advice right now, fixing the missing "folds".
Thank you very much for your little hand!  ;D

PD: Hey, check it out!, Look what I've found!

(http://www.cospa.com/images/items/pc/20355.jpg)  :P
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: NiO ErZeBeTh on November 04, 2011, 01:46:20 am
yeah that was I was talking about with the "n" shadow in there...
about the spriting process, I just did it without watching anything, I was thinking on Geese (could be helpful)
but I just did it by myself to see if it works, I like your version, just the bottom shadow botters me, seems like if he had something between the legs, and it shouln't, it needs to look like the skirt is loose

anyways, just a suggestion, like I told you already, your sprite looks good, but that thing could be improved  :sugoi:
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: eldarion on November 04, 2011, 10:04:39 am
mmm... the roster is part of the original Gals F. from NGP.
After Mai, Akari, Shiki, Leona & Shermie, will Yuri, Athena, Nakoruru and Whip be revealed? and Yuki??
Can't wait for "original" cast.
I hope one from Garou (B.J or Hotaru)
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on November 07, 2011, 05:47:38 pm
More details on the roster will come soon.

Also, none of the characters will be released separately for your normal mugen. If you ask, I'll probably just delete your post to prevent derailment.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Segatron on November 07, 2011, 08:08:20 pm
Miss X is still is W.I.P but hey i was thinking what if increase the pitch of Iori's Voice.....
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 07, 2011, 10:45:48 pm
it depends, if it sounds like he is faking the voice, it coudl work; if he sounds like a chipmunk, no.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Segatron on November 08, 2011, 03:58:29 pm
Yeah I am thinking of something lately ......KOD (this is your short form of your name right)
Look at these photos
(http://www.fightersgeneration.com/games/gals-s5.png)
(http://www.fightersgeneration.com/games/gals-s6.png)
(http://www.fightersgeneration.com/games/gals-s8.png)

Note the Next two photos below
Quote
the funny cut-scenes and all of the "little" extra details they fit into the game
Can you do something like that in those photos.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: blue_blood on November 08, 2011, 04:11:33 pm
Look at these photos
(http://www.fightersgeneration.com/games/gals-s6.png)

WHY??? WHY???? If he wanna dress like a girl, it's ok, but WHY involving so many people in the process? You're a killer, YAGAMI!!! Kyo doesn't deserve that!!! >< (I knew about this picture already, I took one of them to make the portrait, but I had to say it _._)

(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/5013/missxgifsportraits32.gif)

(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/286/b/7/miss_x_color_portrait_by_blueblood2-d4cqbcd.gif)

I almost forget it! THE ORIGINAL ONE:

(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/20/ioriartwork05.jpg)

It's not a bad idea, but I guess the quality of the photos should be the better because the game will not has a "pocket" style. (I mean, Yumekobo took some original art to make the cute scenes but for obvious reasons the quality is poor)

Example:

(http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/5027/kyoportraits254gals.gif)

(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7442/kyoartwork10.jpg)

(http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/862/kyoportraits253gals.gif)

(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3753/kyoanimestyle22.jpg)

(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/9707/kyoportraits252gals.gif)

(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/179/kyoanimestyle19.jpg)

JUST SWEET? n_n
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Segatron on November 08, 2011, 05:03:52 pm
Hey !!! After They (Chizuru, Kyo & Iori) were done with orochi  Iori found himself a hard rival and ften they have Frenemy Bond ( Frenemy means someone you hate the most but pretend to like it)
Besides SNK Gals was only Comedy like game ......
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Segatron on November 08, 2011, 05:10:09 pm
BLUEBLOOD !YOU JUST GAVE ME AN IDEA WHEN I POSTED THOSE PICTURE UP THERE I HAD THE SAME IDEA BUT FORGOT IN THE MIDDLE DO YOU HAVE REMINDED ME THANKS...

KOD OR KOOPAKOOT ! What if you use these picture ans  the Cancel Effect for the game ......
I will discuss on the thread related to the game in post i will make
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on November 08, 2011, 05:19:05 pm
Yeah I am thinking of something lately ......KOD (this is your short form of your name right)

KOD

I never asked for this.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: blue_blood on November 08, 2011, 05:20:57 pm
BLUEBLOOD !YOU JUST GAVE ME AN IDEA WHEN I POSTED THOSE PICTURE UP THERE I HAD THE SAME IDEA BUT FORGOT IN THE MIDDLE DO YOU HAVE REMINDED ME THANKS...
ok...   :wtfgoi: :help:

Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Segatron on November 08, 2011, 05:30:40 pm
@ BluueBlood and Koopakoot  I am very Extremely Sorry Koopakoot  for calling you KOD and BlueBlood for the over sized message
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on November 08, 2011, 05:32:19 pm
No problem.  8)
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: blue_blood on November 08, 2011, 05:35:49 pm
It's ok, don't worry. I found that very funny XD  ;P
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: K.O.D on November 08, 2011, 05:39:03 pm
lol
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Segatron on November 08, 2011, 05:49:09 pm
WOAH man Youre KOD and i thought That ........Oh man.
How are you then
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Segatron on November 08, 2011, 05:54:51 pm
KoopaKoot So how was the Idea i shared
Quote
What if you use these picture ans  the Cancel Effect for the game ......
Well What do you think
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: "Bad News" Hoffmann on November 08, 2011, 08:30:01 pm
Dunno if it was suggested already or you plan it anyway, but maybe a female character from Metal Slug would be cool?
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on November 08, 2011, 08:33:25 pm
I don't think there are any fully sprited characters from Metal Slug (a shame, I really like Fiolina).
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: blue_blood on November 08, 2011, 08:46:42 pm
There is just one way to get it well... You should talk to ALPHA from Mugen China. He gave me some very good LUISE 3D resized sprites. With that is easier to sprite new chars! Fio is in KOF MI2.
Sadly, it was Leandro who talked to him last time. But if you got a better relationship with the mugen china guys and you agree with "negociate" to share the creation with the KOF Z project maybe they could rip good stuff for you (Alpha never teaches no one to rip from PS2, I asked for it but it was a waste of time. Like the most of the chinese people it's pretty jealous of his ripping methods)
Do your best! I made MANY animations for Luise using that rips...
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Loona on November 08, 2011, 10:16:32 pm
Interesting project.

One little detail I liked about the NGPC game was how Athena changed clothes for almost every move, generalizing what she does for some intros or supers - no idea if she'll make the cut, considering the work ahead and all this talk of Miss X, but if she dos, it would be nice to bring over this feature.


As for Miss X's moves, I do recall hir having a move involving riding (and crashing?) a Vespa - I don't really recall if it was a different look for a classic Iori move, but it didn't resemble anything I can think of...
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on November 08, 2011, 10:41:24 pm
Thanks for taking interest in the project. Athena is definitely going to be included. The costume changes may make it in. I think I had this discussion of giving her the best versions of her specials. Though it is a bit extravagant and I would have loved to do something like that out side of a full game. Athena is about no 7 on my to do list. I think now would be a good time to set in stone how she should play.

-I was thinking of using the custom Athena sprites made by EI (the clean version of course). It would be nice to use those as it's something she doesn't have in the standard KOFs, yet similar to her 99 outfit which she has in the original SGF (complete with short hair).

(http://www.koopakoot.trinitymugen.net/RareThingsOnSale/AthenaEI.png)

This is a palette I had a friend made to be more Athena like (and fit the palette style I'm using for this game), however I have colour separated these sprites since this was made.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: -Red- on November 09, 2011, 07:03:50 am
Ugh, I ALWAYS HATED that design clusterfuck. I'd rather just use her KOF 99 sprites if I were you. Can't stand seeing that thing in another KOF fullgame.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Duos.act on November 09, 2011, 07:04:59 am
I dunno, I kinda like that design.  It's like a definitive "best of" for Athena.  It has bits and pieces of all the things she's known for.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: -Red- on November 09, 2011, 07:15:35 am
worst shoes she ever had + stocks and tighs at the same time. I always hated her lower part the most in that design (and KOF 97's one aswell for that matter).

I also remember how the sprites looked like and... you'll have to do tons of fixes for that thing to look decent. Mixing KOF 02 and pre 02 sprites in the same char (And with that kind of frankenspriting) is never a good idea :P. And the costume doesn't even look different enough as her upper body is still way too similar to her KOF 99 costume.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Duos.act on November 09, 2011, 07:17:25 am
But but but....she has long hair!  In KOF 99 she had short hair!
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on November 09, 2011, 08:12:26 am
You don't like Rednavi? I want to hear your suggestion. HERE.  ;)
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: -Red- on November 09, 2011, 08:22:29 am
Use KOFXIII Athena and get over it
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on November 09, 2011, 08:31:23 am
That would be extremely inconsistent.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Duos.act on November 09, 2011, 08:34:56 am
Well, unless it was her XI sprites edited to have the sleeves.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: -Red- on November 09, 2011, 08:38:11 am
KOF99, just like the real deal :P (I mean she does change to different outfits during her moves right?).
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: ZeroInNothingness on November 09, 2011, 09:09:56 am
I liked KoF 97 Athena design =/
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on November 09, 2011, 09:37:50 am
Seems like I messed up a bit. Athena E isn't going to be used. Also, due to some other circumstances, XI Athena will not be used either. SO. What to do?
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: NiO ErZeBeTh on November 09, 2011, 10:35:50 am
there is a guy working in Athena color-separation process here on the guild (in projects I think) is you want to use XI Athena that can be helpful...

if not... mmhh... Athena Heidern? :P
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Loona on November 09, 2011, 12:56:21 pm
Athena is definitely going to be included. The costume changes may make it in.

Nice - Athena may not be a personal favorite, but she's certainly got a lot of interesting features and background to work with.

The trickier part to get the transformations to work would be establishing a palette that would cover most, if not all, of her looks throughout the 96 to XI age of KoF sprites (there are samples of the 94 and 95 looks in her 98 intro and Psychic 8/9 moves) - if that's done, it should be fairly simple to add more alternatives for any given move.

For example:

* since some version of her give her different outfits during Shining Crystal Bit, that principle could be applied to other moves, using different sprite looks for any given special attack provided their clsns match

* her taunt could change the outfit she's using in her stance (her stances change quite a bit between games though, I guess this could be narrowed down to a small subset - off the top of my head, KoF2000 had her in one of her most practical stances, but her hair wasn't as iconic in that one; XI went with a "plain" schoolgirl look that matched what she wore in SvC MotM, where she was intended to look as iconic as possible, so that could work well - even if only for the idle stance)

* a pet idea for the concept was having each move match the outfit where that move debuted, but her base specials haven't really changed all that much since 95 (and IIRC she only got Psycho Sword added compared to 95, and the aesthetics difference consisted on shorter sleeves) - plenty of variations on her reflector though, I wonder which will make the cut - might be worth considering applying the concept to which version of which move is used

* silly idea that involves more editing than anyone's likely to bother with, but might as well toss it in: in some games Asamiya seems to channel the other Athena (the demi-goddess version which eventually made it to SvC and NGBC) during some high-end supers, as if she had some "higher self" thing going on, so that could be an alternate look to consider for some brief transformations if she had a power bar full, using EX version of moves (probably not applicable), or if she were to have some temporary transformation mode like Leona. Not necessarily a good idea, but one in the back of my mind and there's no harm in putting it out there.

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I think I had this discussion of giving her the best versions of her specials.

What do you figure those are? I haven't used her that consistently throughout the series, although I recall people mentioning she was quite strong in 2002.

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Though it is a bit extravagant and I would have loved to do something like that out side of a full game. Athena is about no 7 on my to do list. I think now would be a good time to set in stone how she should play.

Her specials don't see to change much, but later games had some variety in her supers, there's a move she only ever had in SvC MotM (that sword super you had to unlock), and her crouching D seems to have a lot more range in recent games than it did in the earlier ones.
I could be wrong, but I think the NGPC Gals  Fighter let her use her teleport mid-air - the game took some fun liberties with everyone, but I'm not sure how much some of them might mess with balance in another game...

Anything you're considering prioritizing? In the very least she should feel a bit distinct from the other characters play-wise, but from the current roster that doesn't seem like a major problem.

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-I was thinking of using the custom Athena sprites made by EI (the clean version of course). It would be nice to use those as it's something she doesn't have in the standard KOFs, yet similar to her 99 outfit which she has in the original SGF (complete with short hair).

(http://www.koopakoot.trinitymugen.net/RareThingsOnSale/AthenaEI.png)


Doesn't feel quite as classic Athena to me, even if it succeeed at being a new alternate look for here - the NGPC game was a bit bound by a time when SNK was trying to promote 99 and new characters, so it went with that look, but at least to me an iconic Athena has long hair, and maybe that purple bead nacklace she had in the earlier games.

The XI look could work well as a base/idle stance, and you could probably pick and choose from each and every move in her history then use the sprites from that for that specific attack, and Athena being Athena it wouldn't look out of place, just use the little glitter effect she uses in her transforming 98 intro or something.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Magma MK-II on November 09, 2011, 04:10:46 pm
If anything, you could use Athena's classic outfit from 94/95. In my opinion it's her best one.

I don't think there are any fully sprited characters from Metal Slug (a shame, I really like Fiolina).

There are half-assed ones. And I'm sure you wouldn't ever use them.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 09, 2011, 04:36:11 pm
98 athena, 2k2 is decent too; I prefer goddess athena but that requires heavy editing, I remember I was editing like 3 athena sprites per week to that outfit but stopped after one month.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Duos.act on November 09, 2011, 06:53:42 pm
02 Athena is the best.  03 is up there too.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Jesuszilla on November 09, 2011, 06:55:26 pm
2k2 Athena, bouncy :3
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Loona on November 09, 2011, 09:17:05 pm
If anything, you could use Athena's classic outfit from 94/95. In my opinion it's her best one.

It's not really an option, as the 94 and 95 sprites are smaller - there are a few usable ones in later games, such as the 98 intro and the Psychic 8/9/10 supers, but it's not possible to get a lot of use out of those.

02 and 03 Athena are kinda too frilly for my tastes, I tend to prefer the outfits that don't emphasize skirts like the 96 one - if edits end up being needed, I getss skirts make it harder too...
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Retro Respecter on November 10, 2011, 01:58:09 am
I prefer the look that came with the original Gals Fighter or the one below me:
(http://www.koopakoot.trinitymugen.net/RareThingsOnSale/AthenaEI.png)
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: blue_blood on November 10, 2011, 02:08:50 am
The original look is based on KOF99 outfit with little variants in special moves like the air teleport.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Segatron on November 10, 2011, 01:29:57 pm
KoopaKoot In the original Story (later I will tell something of my own). She fought in the tournament to get her long hair back by winning in it so either her 99 incarnation or other depending a a story i thought for sometime
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Segatron on November 10, 2011, 02:35:00 pm
Hey everyone I am about to give a story about SNK Gal Fighters

First Read the Original below
Story: The final year of the millennium, 2000 A.D. A mysterious invitation makes its way to female fighters all over the world. Written therein...  "2000 A.D. The Q.O.F. Tournament opens! This competition's victor shall receive the totally awesome "Reward of K': one wish that is to be granted."

Yours Truly, The Enigmatic "X" P.S. "You can only get one wish, so make it count!"
P.S.S. "All who receive this invitation must attend. Or else! (No guys allowed!)"

What's Q.O.F.? And what is the true identity of "X", sender of the mysterious invitations? At any rate, the excitement is rising! Here now unrolls the greatest (at least scheduled), bare-all (well, not everything) battle of self-interest this country will see!!!


In other words ......
(I first played when i was in fourth grade)

Here's What I thought First

 Sample 1 : When Kyo got kidnapped by the Nests Iori Spent 1 year in agony trying to find him , one day he met his former teammates (From 95 KOF Tournament)  who wanted to get revenge from leaving them injured and beaten aftermath. Iori fought with them and before He was about to End them His other Teammates from 96 tournament arrived, Yagami (Iori) then thought to do something else for a while......So He patched up with them  an Theres QOF.

This was the only idea at first then When i unlocked Kushinada Yuki ( i never  knew back then) i played and ended then i got confused two years later I played KOF 97 with the Three sacred Treasure Team I finally Found out that she was Kyo's Girlfriend.

so I made up a new Story afterward

Sample 2 : Kyo had been in a countless (presumably) bouts with Yagami, One Day He asked Yagami (in one fight) That if he has other thing besides going after him. Yagami Hesitated and continued to fight . After Kyo beat him..... As usual --; Kyo told to Do something else for a while and he will fight him, Iori had thought for a while but as he was about to neglect it Kyo told him That he was having a crash course or he needs break for a while but promiused him that they will fight in an alley after that (You know KOF 98 UM PS2 Intro where Kyo and Iori Fight in an alley).

Well thins is the current thing i thought of why iori ended up like this

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What's Q.O.F.? And what is the true identity of "X", sender of the mysterious invitations? At any rate, the excitement is rising! Here now unrolls the greatest (at least scheduled), bare-all (well, not everything) battle of self-interest this country will see!!!

The quote up is auxilary. The Story continues.... (Look everyone You Can think Of How Iori Ended Up as Miss X?)
Yagami meets up with his former teammates Billy and Eiji were angry with him . Then He meets Up Mature and Vice . All Argue with Each other and Yagami gets an Idea of hosting a KOf tournament for Girls only. He then wore his miss x outfit and he wanted others to wear  (Only Mature and vice) While billy and Eiji would help him in inviting Iori gets a talisman from somewhere (Unknown)
So He Asks Who to select after 4-5 hours they selected the girls. Now Iori made the invitation up
there and Eiji sent this to those girls....(The Spirits of Mature and vice went back in time to get
Akari, Nakoruru and Shiki) ...And That is how I sum up any question.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: blue_blood on November 10, 2011, 11:09:30 pm
Interesting, there's no doubt...
All this wonderful story assuming that Miss X is the final boss...
The last word has not been said, Segatron...  :ninja:
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: NiO ErZeBeTh on November 11, 2011, 05:08:28 am
I said if anyone has question related to my story up there i mean I want to see who hates it likes it or...whatever better story  they can think off. Thanks Blue blood for your remark  :D

well, do another thread, this is about the game mechanicas and related stuff (from the staff working on it)
not to be rude, but you are spaming  :-X
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Segatron on November 11, 2011, 05:15:07 am
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well, do another thread, this is about the game mechanicas and related stuff (from the staff working on it)
I know KODkoot is working on it And I did make another thread here, But Koopakoot told me to write 
stuff related lik story BGM or stages....
 I am not Spamming Ok I just Wrote something Here I asked KoopaKoot (KODKoot) if i can Write a Story related to this so I did Besides he said I can a Write stuff related to this in this thread So I wrote   a story and thats all OK.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Segatron on November 12, 2011, 04:35:50 pm
Well What I just posted up there is my what I had  Stored in my mind.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: ARCoolguy on December 07, 2011, 05:01:54 pm
So why not make Unknown the boss
anyways good luck with the project  :sugoi:
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Lord Drak-kof on December 07, 2011, 05:23:42 pm
why would mature and vice even go back to the past for that, oh wait, why would they even do anything for iori, i mean wasnt he the one that killed them in the first place? and why would iori invite yuki? she isnt known as a fighter.
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Post by: Segatron on December 07, 2011, 06:23:25 pm
IT is a spin-off Riccochet ! --;
I am still thinking a story for Yuki you can help. if you like But as for Mature & Vice Well I played the game with Mai when she founds Iori as a Miss X you could see at the last picture of that cutscene .
Billy, Eiji, Mature and Vice wearing sunglasses ans bandannas.
Well I will show a photo.
(http://www.fightersgeneration.com/games/gals-s6.png)
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: FeLo_Llop on December 10, 2011, 07:42:58 pm
So why not make Unknown the boss
anyways good luck with the project  :sugoi:
The Tekken bitch or the dark-skinned Ryuhaku Todo?


If you forgot: Tekken is Namco's, so...
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on December 13, 2011, 01:47:14 pm
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l28/koopakoot/penguin.gif)
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on December 15, 2011, 12:42:24 pm
His midsection could be a bit more even. Seems like his legs are more forward than his torso. But I'm liking the progress.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: walt on December 15, 2011, 03:26:48 pm
Fuckin Chamat working his magic. YEAH!
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Segatron on December 15, 2011, 05:20:29 pm
Goodluck with Miss X or Iori ?
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on December 15, 2011, 06:39:53 pm
ehh btw did you see the pm?

Gave it a good read now. We can talk more on msn.

Walt Y U No msn me?

Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Segatron on December 16, 2011, 08:00:39 pm
Miss X is gonna be a long project since all of Iori's sprites need to edited.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on December 30, 2011, 10:04:56 pm
Looking great. I've been expecting you on msn, but you never log in.  :(
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: walt on January 03, 2012, 10:15:08 pm
this is what i got so far from Miss X
(http://i.imgur.com/oDE7U.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/WeXBl.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/1iGSe.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/KhTWt.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/DFCqs.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/BvbmD.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/Not7z.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/FYgQO.gif)
Wow, this is actually happening O_O    cooooooool
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Segatron on January 04, 2012, 09:53:09 am
I wonder who would do the voice for miss x
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Magma MK-II on January 04, 2012, 02:39:47 pm
Just put Iori's 98 voice!
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Post by: Koop on January 04, 2012, 02:54:04 pm
 :stupid:
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Post by: Retro Respecter on February 12, 2012, 03:29:48 am
Are those original by any chance?
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on February 12, 2012, 08:24:46 am
Yes they are.  Chamat you are awesome. :D
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on February 12, 2012, 08:59:36 am
Let me see if I can contact Blue first.  :)
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Segatron on March 06, 2012, 09:27:04 am
How much you have progressed Koopakoot
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on March 06, 2012, 09:36:30 am
Thanks for asking, I was gonna show some stuff later today. Watch this space.  :)
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Cybaster on March 14, 2012, 06:00:49 pm
Still watching the space ! :ninja:
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on March 14, 2012, 06:23:23 pm
Got sidetracked. Haven't been feeling too well. I thought I would be able to show some lifebars, but they're not ready (guy working on them isn't working on them or something).  :(
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 14, 2012, 06:34:21 pm
that's a paradox, thanks for destroying our universe koopa.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: blue_blood on May 08, 2012, 05:44:52 am
What's new, guys?
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on May 25, 2012, 09:10:10 am
(http://www.koopakoot.trinitymugen.net/Screens/mugen046.png)

Lifebars.

Also I'm about to change some info in one of the threads.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Retro Respecter on May 25, 2012, 03:54:09 pm
At least the lifebars are being considered. Those actually look good (if that is the feel you're going for).
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: walt on May 25, 2012, 05:54:40 pm
You're doing everything in low res?!?!?! o_O
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: walt on May 25, 2012, 07:06:22 pm
i want miss x muffuga, where have you beeeeen?
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on May 25, 2012, 07:49:40 pm
You're doing everything in low res?!?!?! o_O

Yes, that's the style I was going for.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: walt on May 25, 2012, 10:21:40 pm
then you're gonna need a helluva lot better fonts :P

The RUSH # HITS looks super pixelated!~
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Post by: Segatron on May 26, 2012, 06:02:33 pm
Nice Koopakoot I read that you were having trouble and lets hope everything is alright

Meanwhile Few months ago i wondered Who'll do Miss X (Yagami Iori) voice and this is what i got
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Just put Iori's 98 voice!
 

I was wonderingg if some can increase his pitch of his voice SLIGHTLY.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on May 29, 2012, 10:24:40 am
Deep voice is better, trust me.

(http://koopakoot.trinitymugen.net/Screens/mugen048.png)

Changed Shiki's poison move a little bit, so the effect is more visible and that it is recoded so it doesn't interfere with combos.
Throws are being changed so they add hits correctly unlike in KOF games.
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Post by: Cybaster on May 29, 2012, 10:36:46 am
The infinity sign looks really pixeled.
Otherwise, the rest is looking very fine. I've grown to like HR lifebars, but this is kind of fresh. :)
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Segatron on May 31, 2012, 07:10:30 pm
Fine Kooopakoot
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Post by: Segatron on June 08, 2012, 10:26:56 pm
You know Each should have a special winpose and intro like
1. Mai vs Yuri
2. Leona vs Whip

They should have somewhat funny quotes
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on September 26, 2012, 02:06:09 pm
About a hundred years ago, I made a post on this thread. AND NOW.



Oh boy is it good to be back. I'm not even sure of how many are still interested in this project. That doesn't mean I won't finish. So what's new? Hmm...not much to be honest. Things are still progressing.

-I was talking to someone about making helper lifebars, but I don't have any experience making bars and the like. Anyone know where I can take a look at a few examples
-Lost place on Whip. I don't like continuing from save points after so long, so I started again. 2 days later and she's at 80% :) Video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z34CELuBRWg&feature=youtu.be
-Not going to use the DM hitsparks (as (not) seen in the above video). They are ugly imo and I'd rather just have 3 levels of hitspark
-REDNAVI IS DELAYING ME. SO IS THEDGE. If you have any power over them, convince them to give up the goods.
-Speaking of goods, wouldn't it be easier if I commissioned people helping me (WHO DON'T LIKE TO WORK FOR FREE(I WANT STUFF TOO, YA KNOW)) by gifting them games on Steam or something. This is how I do business with Rednavi. It's a lot less messy and he almost always (except above) comes through. Coincidently, I've been without accommodation for a little bit, so I'm a bit short on funds atm.   
-Be sure to check the paint shop thread as I'll be adding palettes sheets for you guys to work on. :)
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Retro Respecter on September 26, 2012, 04:05:05 pm
To be honest, I thought that this was canned. Thank you for confirming to me that this isn't.
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Segatron on September 26, 2012, 07:04:31 pm
Cool Everythings gonna be alright with it
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: GOH on September 27, 2012, 03:12:29 pm
I really like Whip. But Rednavi is gonna be super immersed with me on Bordel Lands 2 next week. Sorry Koopa. :twisted:
Title: Re: Information on the game (System, Roster) and discussion.
Post by: Koop on November 09, 2012, 07:03:16 pm
Paint shop thread updated with a new palette sheet. Check it out palette makers.