If you want to answer to something in warnings, in the staff section or the like .Post it here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 05, 2012, 06:47:28 pm
So you guys are discussing [E] right now.
He's been a bit of a douchebag lately (well more douchebaggy then usual), I think he needs a time-out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 05, 2012, 08:33:27 pm
I'd also like to point that this post (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=118940.msg1529204#msg1529204) should be looked at as well.
Not to mention the fact that when I sent a PM to [E] asking how Diepod was being rude and asking what the fuck his problem was, his response was basically him telling me to fuck off.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on March 05, 2012, 08:40:32 pm
"You got mad at me, I'm not talking to you again"
Do you honestly think we should step in that discussion? C'mon guys, let it slide.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 05, 2012, 08:41:24 pm
Do you honestly think we should step in that discussion? C'mon guys, let it slide.
But nobody besides [E] reacted like that. :|
and he's the only person who seemed to be making this a big deal, Diepod seemed like he just wanted to drop it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on March 05, 2012, 08:53:21 pm
If all Diepod was making it much more of a deal just one page before that, and even then it wasn't anywhere near mod action 'worthy'.
Nothing worth nothing from the staff's perspective there, imo.
About E's earlier post:
I was gone most of february. Did he do anything wrong then?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 05, 2012, 08:59:21 pm
Diepod wasn't making a big deal out of it and his explanation on the first post of the last page explains why.
And yet [E] comes in and just says he's being rude, playing like somehow HE's the victim. Like, seriously, dude? It's Diepod's thread, he doesn't want it cluttered.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 05, 2012, 09:03:27 pm
Nothing worth nothing from the staff's perspective there, imo.
It's not really just that thread, it's a combination of stuff; [E] likes pissing people off, getting a reaction of them in order to troll them. His typos, the pedo jokes, the pokes he made to Maverik, it goes beyond normal joking behavior into something worse.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Luis Alejandro on March 05, 2012, 09:13:36 pm
You guys are overreacting
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on March 05, 2012, 09:14:59 pm
^^ not that my opinion might count anything
but yes [E] can be very annoying sometimes and with that i mean more annoying than myself, except when it comes to ranting about nintendo and dlc of course..but at least i am not attacking people today with something they wrote months ago.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on March 05, 2012, 09:28:08 pm
And that's why I asked if he had done anything remarkably bad in the last weeks, besides your passive-aggressive exchange with him (which kinda was your fault as much as his). After checking his latest post:
People taking [E] seriously? Why is this happening now?
How is "oh it's just [E]" an excuse? Why does he get special treatment?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 05, 2012, 10:55:18 pm
LEAVE [E] ALONE!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on March 06, 2012, 12:16:51 am
I do agree that giving him a warning to calm down should work, I have to say he's been a little aggresive in some posts (examples the ones posted in the Warnings thread). Still, he hasn't done anything ban worthy, only warn worthy. If he starts ignoring mods or admins telling him to calm down, then perhaps a time-out would work.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 06, 2012, 12:19:07 am
I do agree that giving him a warning to calm down should work, I have to say he's been a little aggresive in some posts. Still, he still hasn't done anything ban worthy, only warn worthy. If he starts ignoring mods or admins telling him to calm down, then perhaps a time-out would work.
Oh, I didn't really mean time out as in ban, I meant it as warning; I don't think a ban is warranted. I shouldn't have said time out, cause it does sound like a ban instead of a warning but I thought it was funny. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on March 06, 2012, 12:20:42 am
Oh, I see. I thought you meant that, as time-out is usually referred to ban someone for a small period of time when it's used here.
But really, the best solution for [E]'s case is not to take him seriously and ignore any attempt of trolling he does if it's really offensive.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on March 06, 2012, 12:43:43 am
How is "oh it's just [E]" an excuse? Why does he get special treatment?
I know [E] long time ago, since the beginning of Mugen Hispania (also he was one of the first people I meet in Guild), and always make that kind of jokes (especially pedo jokes) and sarcastic comments, that's why didn't surprise me. Maybe the problem is there're more sensitive people lately... or he really is getting out of hand with jokes, the reason this thread was created, huh?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 06, 2012, 01:02:42 am
He has always been like that, the problem is it was previously split between sensible and stupid quite reasonably. Now there are almost no sensible and it's all shitposting.
I actually respect E a lot and seeing him act like this is pretty shitty.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 06, 2012, 01:40:39 am
How is "oh it's just [E]" an excuse? Why does he get special treatment?
Because it's always been mere humor ? Often on the limit of tastelessness, but as long as you're not being oversensitive, it's still humor, and the most you can say about him is that it's bad humor but that's it. It never even changed, it was possible to ignore it back then, it's still possible to shrug it off today. If you take offense at it, it's really just you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on March 06, 2012, 01:44:30 am
People taking [E] seriously? Why is this happening now?
How is "oh it's just [E]" an excuse? Why does he get special treatment?
Why do MOST of you guys get special treatment as well then? There are several guys who were, are and will still be assholes in the entire forum all the time yet I see people complaining about [E] because he had something that's not even close to an argument with Diepod. So what if other people got offended by it?
Diepod took it like a man and did what most of the people were supposed to, to just let it slide. Yes it really looked like Diepod was being serious and all that but I know (From previous events) that it's just the way he writes, he's not mad or anything at all. It's like that time when you guys were discussing the way Orochi Gill posts and why people may feel offended by it.
Honestly I don't feel like he's getting THAT dense to warrant all this conversation. Some people around here are far more annoying, aggressive, insult far more, are more direct, don't do funny jokes, are way too serious, have huge egos, etc. All of this exploded just because he posted at Diepod's thread or what?
I'll like to see the list of people who complained about his posting, I bet you'll have your answer right there :P
Heck, truth be told, I have a far easier time chatting with him at the TM channel than with most of the guys over there, I don't see how he's considered that disruptive considering the kind of stuff I see here every week (And wont mention names to not to trigger another 2 days long thread with hundreds of arguments in vain).
That's pretty much what can I say about this, I'm no one around here nor I care and I definitely don't expect to change anything but some people seem to take this more seriously than it should and it's damn stupid. Not like we are in IMT or anything right?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 06, 2012, 02:45:39 am
He has always been like that, the problem is it was previously split between sensible and stupid quite reasonably. Now there are almost no sensible and it's all shitposting.
I actually respect E a lot and seeing him act like this is pretty shitty.
That's the thing, I can (and do) respect him otherwise, but he's just doing it too much lately and crossing lines.
I don't want another enemy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 06, 2012, 03:47:25 am
I don't take any offense to it, I don't even dislike [E], I think he's pretty cool most of the time. I just think he needs to cut out the stupid jokes and the deliberate provoking of people; it makes him seem like an idiot.
I see people complaining about [E] because he had something that's not even close to an argument with Diepod. So what if other people got offended by it?
I posted in this thread because Titiln posted about it in the Warnings thread; he felt like as of late, [E]'s posts were getting more and more inflamatory. It's not just a couple of posts in Diepod's thread, it's all the previously mentioned stuff.
We're talking about someone who just months ago had the word nigger in like half of his posts, does he get a free pass on that because he's been doing it for 10 years? If a brand new user did the same, everyone would be against it, but because he's been in the community for so long it's OK? That's not what we should aspire to, we need to have a community that welcomes people and not be one that drives people away because they might get offended by one of [E]'s posts and not know he's kidding because there is no reason to assume he is unless you already knew him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 06, 2012, 03:53:23 am
jmorphman you've been acting real uptight and high-and-mighty lately
cut it out and calm down
That's weird; no one accused me of acting uptight and high-and-mighty before I left Trinity.
Who knows what's changed???
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on March 06, 2012, 07:28:11 pm
that is one hell of a strawman you've got there bro
like i said, you need to calm down and stop taking things so seriously.
btw valodim made the same observation quite a while ago http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=139179.msg1525523#msg1525523 (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=139179.msg1525523#msg1525523)
valodim secret trinitymugen gangbanger confirmed
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 06, 2012, 07:48:35 pm
Valodim and I hugged it out. If you want to hug it out too then I'm game. :)
Also I don't think I'm being uptight, I just posted in this thread with my reaction to [E]'s posting style. If that somehow makes me uptight then so be it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 06, 2012, 07:54:06 pm
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT wait a second...
You're hugging people...
OTHER THAN ME?!
FORGET YOUUUUUUUUUUU.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 06, 2012, 07:54:58 pm
You never put out. >:[
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 06, 2012, 07:57:40 pm
What's the magic word.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 06, 2012, 07:59:32 pm
Show me your penis???
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 06, 2012, 08:01:36 pm
I'm not a goddamn museum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 06, 2012, 08:11:18 pm
Portuguese museums must be really weird if "show me your penis" makes you think of them. D:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lucina on March 06, 2012, 08:13:23 pm
He was my "Gay Nigga" at one point. :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 06, 2012, 08:13:43 pm
Yes we are weird. But that's beside the point.
We can continue this conversation on MSN. ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 06, 2012, 08:15:42 pm
But how would we see it then ? Oh wait... Nevermind, we still can. Pay no attention to the man behind the computer.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 06, 2012, 08:23:28 pm
hi don't use this thread to be wacky
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on March 06, 2012, 09:58:35 pm
I don't see what's the big deal. [e] is the way he is all the time, the only thing that changed is that Shiny Golden Diepod got mad at him, which in turn he denied, saying it was cool.
If we were to complain everytime someone posts disruptively, I'd complain three times as much as I already do. Don't be stupid bitches, he's just being silly for the most part. He isn't attacking or outright and blatantly offending anyone as much as Byakko, or Dio, or Titiln, or Rajaa, or DA_MAV, or even Iced, and none of the aforementioned has been banned, so neither should E.
How about you guys take a time out from reading his posts. There's always the ignore function, which I learned thanks to [E] himself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 06, 2012, 10:27:05 pm
far as i am concerned, E was overdoing it way back into http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=136623.0
But at that time , jz thought it was awesome. I dont think jmorphman concern is unjustified, and no, no one is discussing banning E, he was warned back then and asked to cut out his "trolling", which he pulls often on people he considers dumb.
Far as I can tell he has reduced it a lot, but im not always around.
Like if we can propose people we wanna take down because they're gimmicky , I guess I would propose Mao whose gimmick is "never having a pronounceable display name", or Tsukasa because of her mecha-fetish, or Navets because he can't draw women with clothes and all his threads are NSFW, or Mulambo because of his dickery and irritating pot addiction and promotion, or [e] for saying the most inappropriate and racist things on purpose and with horrible grammar, or Caddie being narcissistic and drawing in Paint like a 5 year old, or even yourself for your too cool for school attitude. And the list could go on ... But in a sense we're all different, and in here we're all like characters in each other's life sitcom, and I like Big Sally's character, always hungrily craving for the cock, it makes me giggle.
Keep Big Sally, let's see what this "Straight" plot twist can bring in episodes to come.
The previous quote is why you have no legs to stand on when talking about offensive stuff. You thought big gay sally was a funny thing. When anyone from outside would be offended.
Diepod didnt seem that phased, nor do I think that would justify this alone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on March 06, 2012, 11:32:12 pm
I agree with [E] in that thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 06, 2012, 11:37:12 pm
thats cool and all since talking with E back then he agreed he was wrong and deleted the thread himself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on March 06, 2012, 11:47:52 pm
While you can have the last word all you want, I still believe he's pretty harmless.
Also, while someone could argue that the incident with Diepod was the straw that broke the camel's back, I fell it was exactly because he messed with almighty spriting god Diepod that he got so much shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 06, 2012, 11:52:11 pm
What is this almighty spriting god bullshit about?
And [E] wasn't the only person prodding Diepod.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 07, 2012, 12:23:47 am
It's pretty obvious what this is about. We have banned
Tetsuo9999 Anjel BigSally Peterfoster Other people whose names elude me
For similar things to what E has been doing, and they've done it for less time. Yeah sure, we know this is how E is, but if we ban other people for it why is it acceptable for him to do it? We all know he's intelligent and can post sensibly (and does so) but why should he get to post things that would get other users banned?
I don't want to see him banned. But i would like him to cut down on the shitposting. I do have to read them, i'm a mod, if it goes over the line it needs to be dealt with. I can't simply ignore them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on March 07, 2012, 12:28:10 am
It's pretty obvious what this is about. We have banned
Anjel
:shocked:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on March 07, 2012, 12:50:35 am
Peterfoster was not a good example IMO. At least I'm glad he's gone since everytime he posted in Gaming he was just shitposting.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 07, 2012, 01:05:55 am
They're people who have done the same thing is my point. Fine, they make you rage, E has made people rage. Shitposting is the underlying thing here, not whether you personally hated that person.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2012, 01:17:00 am
We have determined there was an issue with E posting, he was warned, some people are complaining now, this is more about if he is still only provoking people or not.
he was shit posting and that is defenceless the point arguing is if he is still doing it walt being amused over his racist posts is completely irrelevant to the argument.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 07, 2012, 01:17:06 am
Anjel was banned sometime? o_O
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on March 07, 2012, 01:37:34 am
walt being amused over his racist posts is completely irrelevant to the argument.
No, actually the nigger things I find annoying, but then again he's not serious so I don't think he shouldn't be banned for being racist.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on March 07, 2012, 01:46:50 am
* in before Iced search for a post where I laugh about a racist joke
Edit: Did your homework for ya, 33 nigga and 11 niggers in my post history. 44/17701 ... 0.2% take your pick.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on March 07, 2012, 01:48:35 am
Kinda funny how equality is mentioned when it will never happen anywhere. Get your facts straight people, members get banned for a different amount of things and just because both people did the same amount of shitposting doesn't mean both should get the same punishment.
We treat people in a different way depending of how much we know about them and that's why they get different consequences of their acts when it comes to banning or warnings. You may think it sets a precedence or sounds unfair but lots of unfair things already happened so whatever.
All the people walt mentioned were more disruptive than [E] in the last months, heck even I am more disruptive than him :P. We can't possibly have in mind every single user type around here when it comes to this things. I didn't know [E] was that silly when I registered yet I wasn't informed or anything, you just LEARN about this kind of things eventually, let the new users do the same.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 07, 2012, 02:54:57 am
we should ban users that make threads to mock christians
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2012, 03:00:50 am
im glad to see that everyone is more worried about their friends being chastized than to inform me if E behaviour lately has improved.
Specially when again, no one spoke about banning E.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 07, 2012, 03:03:31 am
who the fuck is E?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 07, 2012, 03:05:01 am
clever
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on March 07, 2012, 03:05:27 am
YES
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 07, 2012, 03:07:26 am
I'd also like to point that this post (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=118940.msg1529204#msg1529204) should be looked at as well.
Not to mention the fact that when I sent a PM to [E] asking how Diepod was being rude and asking what the fuck his problem was, his response was basically him telling me to fuck off.
Spare me. You and I both know that Diepod can't take a joke. Its become such common knowledge that even Walt pointed it out in the thread.
I don't know if anyone has noticed it, but Diepod has always been a hard ass, even from just users giving positive criticism and feedback. The only reason most people haven't addressed it is because we know that his type is the one to up and leave a forum just because the userbase "is telling me what to do."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on March 07, 2012, 04:49:27 am
Not to mention it would be a positively great loss. Nobody would benefit from that at all.
If any, when people see creativity around, it inspires them to make things themselves. He's part of the virtuous creative circle that has got things going well around here these days.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 07, 2012, 04:52:58 am
I'd also like to point that this post (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=118940.msg1529204#msg1529204) should be looked at as well.
Not to mention the fact that when I sent a PM to [E] asking how Diepod was being rude and asking what the fuck his problem was, his response was basically him telling me to fuck off.
Spare me. You and I both know that Diepod can't take a joke. Its become such common knowledge that even Walt pointed it out in the thread.
I don't know if anyone has noticed it, but Diepod has always been a hard ass, even from just users giving positive criticism and feedback. The only reason most people haven't addressed it is because we know that his type is the one to up and leave a forum just because the userbase "is telling me what to do."
You don't know him. At all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on March 07, 2012, 04:56:33 am
^Im a fan of his work. Im not a fan of his attitude.
Not to mention it would be a positively great loss. Nobody would benefit from that at all.
If any, when people see creativity around, it inspires them to make things themselves. He's part of the virtuous creative circle that has got things going well around here these days.
Which is why I think people are hesitant to address the problem. Die, Sean, and Balth have brought a lot to this community and I think we would lose visitors and interest if we were to see them leave over some 'drama'.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 07, 2012, 04:57:09 am
He's just blunt. Nothing wrong with that.
At any rate he doesn't flip his shit and start dropping f-bombs on something he perceives as a negative comment despite being legit criticism.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on March 07, 2012, 04:59:38 am
For the record, unless anybody has anything else to say, I think this thread has run its course.
People bitching about people to other people, and discussing people if they were topics to be discussed over coffee is unnecessary at this point. I know for a fact that [E] has read this thread and is already acting on it, so if nobody is getting banned, we could leave this be for now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on March 07, 2012, 05:22:04 am
it was supposed to be a place to discuss points made in the staff thread
i'm guessing iced didn't originally anticipate people focusing so heavily on single issues as such
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2012, 05:34:07 am
when the question was "has E improved since the last talk" and it goes on tangents about how he shouldnt be banned because this or that? yeah, i didnt anticipate it.People are treating it as if someone made a thread just to bitch about E.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on March 07, 2012, 05:47:47 am
You offered your opinion on banning E, I offered mine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 07, 2012, 05:49:10 am
NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT BANNING [E]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on March 07, 2012, 06:09:38 am
WELL THAY SHOUDL!wait
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on March 07, 2012, 06:47:01 am
you should (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NJAG4Lgk48#t=00m25s)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on March 07, 2012, 07:39:18 am
Valodim and I hugged it out. If you want to hug it out too then I'm game. :)
you should know i was only saying what i said as a concerned friend to prevent you from becoming a MONSTER
*hug*
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 07, 2012, 07:40:45 am
*stabs KOD in the back*
I WAS A MONSTER ALL ALONG
(sorry titiln for turning this into wacky funtimes)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 12, 2012, 03:47:47 pm
ok, I normally don't do this because it sounds like just making excuses, but there have been several misunderstanding lately, both from me and from some members of the staff so I feel likie clarifying some things, when I feel like going tl;dr i will just put the extra stuff between the spoilers.
I was checking the warnings posts and noticed that http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=112184.msg1534077#msg1534077 thought I was going to quit mugen/the forums which is wrong ( and Iced reinforced that , which again is wrong, I think it's not on purpose but is part of the misunderstandings too), I am going to keep visiting and I am going to keep working on my game, just yesterday I spent a few hours working on my game actually.
Lately, I have been on a short fuse the reasons are there, if you don't care why or don't want to break the flow just skip the spoiler.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
While I normally have to put up with regular adult problems I usually deal well with them without being too affected (service people doing bad their job, relatives askign for money just because I make mroe than them, etc...) but lately there have been two things that have put me on the edge stress wise.
1. as some of you know i take care of my parents as my sister moved to another country, my father is 80, very overweight has an injured leg and has diabetes which is something I have learned to cope with in the past year as he can't even walk outside his home anymore so I have to buy his groceries and medicine. he got some eruptions on his back so I have been taking him to the doctor to check on his progress as well as apying the nurse that takes care of him, plus he is kind of a sissy so he gets on my nerves. My mother is 70 and while she is normally fit for her age she's got a case of bronchitis for over a week now and I have also been taking care of her.
2. the other matter is work related, I was promised a raise but I have not gotten it, it has been a few months since I was supossed to get it so i was already rpetty angry and planning to get another job as per mid january but then late january came and stuff becamse worse as I was told that the reason I did not get the raise is because the business is doing bad (that managed to calm me down as Ic an't really be that angry if that's the reason they did not give me the raise), now management has cut a few people and even vut the wages of some workers, it's a bit more stressful for me because the company I worked at 3 years ago went thru something similar and it actually went bankrupt; I hope this one does not go down, as the owners of this are actually hardworkers unlike my previous company.
so, i decided to take a break from posting, hence the change to "vacations" in my nickname (no, it was not gone or quit) and the reason why I decided to stop posting/diminish it for a bi, since using that nick name I only posted twice, one was in vans' prewip topic and the other was in the random topic.
In the vans topic I added the "I might sound like an asshole part" because the post was not so much as to give vans a new wip but to talk about a wip vans, me and another creator share so we could decide who was gonna finish/make it and i continued that post privately via messenger.
In the random topic it was a psot about driving there I just posted on how corruption is what runs on my city (if not country), and here is where the misunderstanding comes. valodim posted something about flags mods, he was talking about country flags as I learned later, but as I, again have been on a shortfuse and he posted right after me I understood it as a "flag users posts as negative" mod since those are used in a few other forums I frequent, so i tought valodim joined the "hate E" bandwagon hence why I started deleting my posts, later I learned that valodim was talking about something different so I think I will try asking about restoring the postts, if not possible I can always repost, sicne i had already saved the posts that were of interest to me in that subforum anyway.
Reading the previous discussion in this topic, yeah, lately I have not been enjoying the forums as much as I used to before, and for some reason poking the ocasional user has always been mildly amusing and I admit i have been doing so too often lately ( which might explain why some peopel reacted like they did to the diepod incident and made it a bigger deal than me and diepod did) and as walt said I plan to cut down on/ avoid poking other users and try to enjoy the forums like I used to do before, probably posting a bit more on the development parts of the forum and use a similar posting style to the one I use in as.
some extra info about the incidents on me mentioned (probably only useful to zilla, the people involved and some mods)
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
about the diepod incident, I simply wanted to joke a bit around with him like all the other guys were doing before I got a bit annoyed because he told me to stop even though he seemed to eb joking nice with the other guys before, hence why I took it personal as if he did not want to joke around with me and hence why I called him rude and told him I was not gonna talk to him if he was really against me. then jesuszilla tried to get in between which just made things worse because he used a vocabulary befitting of a drunked byakko and I was already pretty angry so taht's why I told him to fuck off.
I decided to block Iced and zilla of messenger until I (and them) calmed down as I tought that talking about that stuff while being angry would be counter productive.
about the maverik incident, I remember two posts the firwst one was in all that's left, iirc and maverik specifically asked to be insulted, that's the post in which I called him fat, retard, said his work was shit and that he fapped to anime porn (but then again he specifically asked to get insulted), the later came the other topic in which he insulted red navi for not liking his stuff, which was in another guy's topic and rednavi was not the person who brought maverik's stuff in the topic, it was other guy. after that I don't remember posting to maverik ( and actually agree with a lot of the points he tried to make in most of the discussions he got in, but the stance he takes on things does not really make me feel like supporting him).
about the nigger and racist stuff, I have not posted those for months (iirc) and even the nigger stuff was playfully and I stopped doing so when I noticed people started getting genuinely offended by it, which still means I pissed off some people because I did not notice right away that they got offended since i ahve been doing it for a while.
about the loli stuff, well this one confuses me a bit for I don't remember doing loli jokes and even less of the type that should piss off anybody; and I bet most people have forgotten but the whole "me liking loli" deal was/is not even real it's actually an inner joke of sort that got started years ago, when ngbc was jut released at the arcades and I complained about how the intro was filled with lolis and it made me mad that they did not give the women in the game more coverage.
tl;dr version of the whole post I am not quitting mugen or the forums, I just took a one week break to think on how I can go back to enjoy posting without pissing off other people, I am not making excuses as I acted like an asshole to some guys and I will try to avoid that in the future.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on March 12, 2012, 04:09:24 pm
That's bad, I know what it feels (especially about family stuff and "sensitive" people on forums), I hope you can recovery of all of that soon and all this misunderstanding can be solved, too, so you can get back with your projects and stuff.
You get my total support, [E] ;) if you want, we can talk via messenger (I've to reuse that)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: LM_MAVERIK on March 12, 2012, 04:20:07 pm
speaking for myself only.....I personally didnt need an explanation about your close encounters with me since i honestly had no problem with you "poking or insulting me" or anyone else who may have been, because the truth be told; it gave me a excuse to tear into someone in a heated debated for the sake of a good laugh. Up until recently I have actually been searching for fights and was willing to instigate it with snide comments.... which is a problem i need to fix about myself both here and in reality. I was a massive dick too.
as for the agreeing with what I say and not wanting to support my stance. again that is cool there were many who supported my view but few who supprted my approach. I could have named dropped them into the arguments but I chose to leave them out. I'm not really the kind of guy that wants support unless its wip feedback. I've never really been that type of guy
thats my view on the whole heel maverik vs [E] vs the world saga.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 12, 2012, 04:51:47 pm
speaking for myself only.....I personally didnt need an explanation about your close encounters with me since i honestly had no problem with you "poking or insulting me" or anyone else who may have been, because the truth be told; it gave me a excuse to tear into someone in a heated debated for the sake of a good laugh. Up until recently I have actually been searching for fights and was willing to instigate it with snide comments.... which is a problem i need to fix about myself both here and in reality. I was a massive dick too.
as for the agreeing with what I say and not wanting to support my stance. again that is cool there were many who supported my view but few who supprted my approach. I could have named dropped them into the arguments but I chose to leave them out. I'm not really the kind of guy that wants support unless its wip feedback. I've never really been that type of guy
thats my view on the whole heel maverik vs [E] vs the world saga.
yeah, don't worry about it maverik I also am not a person who keeps grudges, I have gotten into huger fights in the past and have don't have any bad feelings remaining form them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 12, 2012, 05:07:10 pm
Sad to hear about your personal life problems, I google translated your nick to see what it meant and it gave me "gone" so I thought that was what you were going for.
Do you want your posts undeleted ? Thats easy to do and will probably only take me( or someone else) a while.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 12, 2012, 05:54:26 pm
yeah, thanks; already asked valodim via pm, too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 12, 2012, 05:59:22 pm
I dont think i missed anything, but check it out and tell me later on.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 12, 2012, 06:11:10 pm
i am glad you didn't leave us e!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 12, 2012, 07:01:47 pm
Sorry to hear about your difficulties; I hope things get better real soon! :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 12, 2012, 07:02:22 pm
I have to admit, that was very mature of you, [E], and I gained a lot of respect back.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 12, 2012, 07:03:37 pm
Same. I'm sorry for some of the things I said; that weekend was rough for me altogether, and I can see why you'd be quick to react as well after gaining some insight.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 12, 2012, 07:28:51 pm
It happens to the best of us [E]
I am glad you are going to stick around and hope things can balance out a bit for you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 13, 2012, 03:43:46 pm
thanks for the words of support y'all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 13, 2012, 04:32:36 pm
Nice to see you back.
I would give you my sister's number but she is a little old for yuo.
Welcome back man. ;D
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on March 13, 2012, 04:41:33 pm
Do you even know what's going on? I don't think you know what's going on.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 13, 2012, 04:49:35 pm
Nope! I mean there isn't threads one could read and shit. No I got word on chat because you know how us girls love to gossip. Not that I really know no... But it is easy to know because it is the same thing that always happens.
First a known user does something someone doesn't like. Second his friends chime in and there is a debate. Then someone gets a wild hair up their ass and decides that it is time to make an example. Said user was being a jerk but no more than usual so other jump in and sides of debate switch up support back in forth for awhile. Someone quits or leaves for awhile and then comes back then everything is right in the world. The usual chain of events.
Then the person who was accused of being an ass goes back to doing what they always did before but at first is nicer but in a few months they return to their usual self and then maybe we start all over.
Meanwhile, less liked people pull the same shit and they get the hammer.
In this case though, you guys were barking up the wrong tree. [E] is harmless usually and I would have jumped in but there were plenty of others that made that point and did a good job.
That and I couldn't resist misspelling and making a pedo joke at the end
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 13, 2012, 04:51:32 pm
Nice to see you're not leaving [E]. Good luck with all your IRL stuff. It's tough, but hopefully all will get fine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 13, 2012, 04:53:59 pm
Let's debate about Shamrock then make him an example! ;P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 13, 2012, 04:56:06 pm
You need to go back in time man lol, been done to death already lol.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on March 13, 2012, 06:31:53 pm
Doesn't hurt to do it some more.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 14, 2012, 10:50:13 am
You need to go back in time man lol, been done to death already lol.
Yeah Shamrocking isn't fun anymore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 23, 2012, 07:03:41 am
I don't agree with Maverik being permabanned. Even though he had an annoying holier than thou attitude, he was actually tolerable when people weren't trying to get a reaction out of him or trying to make him react more during a battle (I'm looking at people like Rednavi right now). Would a shorter, say 2 week to one month ban be a little better? Sure. He does need time to calm down a bit. However, since a lot of this came from antagonization from others (or worsening in some cases), I feel that a permaban is more than what needs to be done here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on March 23, 2012, 07:09:55 am
Come on man, you and I are friends but Maverik no longer had any respect for anyone in this community, from the leechers to the palette makers to the spriters and coders all the way to the mods and administrators. He was given a chance by Iced to stop acting that way after a 10-day ban, he said he would stop and then after a little bit he went right back to it. He was given plenty of chances. Maybe I'm somewhat biased, although I think I was doing a pretty good job of ignoring him. Frankly, I hope it sticks so that I won't have to anymore, and because he's not going to change. He shit all over every hard-working person on this site and in this community as a whole.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 23, 2012, 07:13:24 am
From what I've read he's temporarily quitting for an indefinite amount of time until things "die down". I know of all of the chances he got. I know about what led up to this. However it could have been a 3 month or so ban before it was actually permanent. I hate to bring this example up, but look at the volzzilla thing. He never received a permaban when he and I were feuding, but in the end it all turned out OK and we set aside our issues. Am I expecting the same thing to happen here? No. However, I feel I'm quite opinionated on this subject and I think that something could change down the line, but not with how things are going right now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on March 23, 2012, 07:20:49 am
No one antagonized him. He blew things out of proportion because he couldn't accept that his Sub Zero has a snake body and some crab legs.
He's twisted legitimate feedback countless times and he's an overall problematic person with a lot of ego problems. He's presented insults that children don't even use nowadays. He's conducted himself with childish motives and behaviors by making it his objective to cause problems in other people's threads who he thought were against him.
What did Seanaltly and CVSBN do to him? Nothing at all.
You think that all of sudden, after about a month or so, everyone decided it was pick on Maverik Day? I don't think so, he decided it was be an asshole day and he got the inevitable response from people.
He said he didn't respect anyone on this site and that he didn't care about what anyone says, yet he still posted his work on this site where people of this site post. How much sense does that make? He thought that because he didn't care about this place that he could be a jerk to the people here, which is flawed logic. If you don't like a place of which you don't have to be, then the most rational thing to do is leave. He stayed. So now he's been forcibly kicked out.
There's really no debating this. He's not going to change. He said he would not do this anymore and he gave his word. What good is a person without their word? He's a lying troublemaker with a ridiculous amount of mental and ego problems. Again, there is no debating his banishment.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Wargame-Kun on March 23, 2012, 07:27:09 am
why Perma banned Maverik?! Man that aint fair at all...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on March 23, 2012, 07:29:08 am
Yes, it is fair.
Look how good my argument is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on March 23, 2012, 08:07:26 am
keep him banned
christ it's like some of you have a hard-on for that retard
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 09:17:37 am
Too bad Maverik went ape shit again. :( I had seen improvement over the past few weeks, and he had responded positively and in a civil manner to critics and feedback to his work... Oh well.
At least there's improvement, he went from :
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me and bleed have different styles But I could easily emulate that style too.
bleed is fucking awesome.......he is like a super saiyan compared to me. no problem their. bleed is better then me period
Maybe in a few years he'll be able to acknowledge that Balthazar, Diepod, Chamat, Steamboy, Rolento, Rikard, Silencer, walt and many others are better than him.
But hey, guess we'll never know since he's permabanned lolol.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on March 23, 2012, 09:22:04 am
It's because those people apparently believe there was "some good left in him" or whatever dramatic movie/anime stuff they were going on about when it happened the last time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 09:25:30 am
He's like the Vegeta of MugenGuild. He wants to show he's strong and badass, that he's the Prince of Mugen, but he always ends up getting his ass kicked by Carot and all the vilains. But Carot and the others know there's good in him, somewhere.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 23, 2012, 11:10:58 am
Damn.
I was hoping to ban Maverick and get the action sequence with gun blasts and explosions that I always wanted. :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on March 23, 2012, 11:15:46 am
He's like the Vegeta of MugenGuild. He wants to show he's strong and badass, that he's the Prince of Mugen, but he always ends up getting his ass kicked by Carot and all the vilains. But Carot and the others know there's good in him, somewhere.
And this is what happens to people who work on one particular character for too long. ;P
And somewhat related yet pertaining to a different person, Super Dragon Blade is downright annoying. I had to lay down some wordage due to him spiraling out of rambling control. Check out his "Which Soul Calibur characters do you want to be made for Mugen" poll. The dude/kid is an idiot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 23, 2012, 12:05:46 pm
OG: There is a massive difference between respecting people and being civil to them. You do not have to respect someone to be civil. There are tons of people in this community i don't respect, but i won't be a COCK to them either.
Maverik was free to not respect anyone as much as he liked. But he decided "I do not respect you" was the same as "Fuck you assholes" and it's not. And this is where a good batch of the problem lay. If he wants to hate peoples work, fine. If he wants to believe he's better than everyone else, he's entitled to do so. What he's not entitled to do is wander round the forum espousing this fact in other peoples threads while stating he doesn't care about anyone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 23, 2012, 12:29:04 pm
Well in short, I agree with Rajaa. I agree with a permaban. Especially if this was not the first time that his arrogance, easily-bruised ego, and lack of respect for the community got the better of him.
Out of curiosity, did he even made a SINGLE character and release it to the community? Because I do not recall him doing that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 23, 2012, 12:32:49 pm
He did. And when people voted for his character in COTM, another sad episode ensued.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 23, 2012, 12:37:27 pm
Interesting, where is his character?
On another note, releasing a few characters does not mean that you are better than everyone. Heck, I still think people like POTS, SeanAlty, and others still do more for the community.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 12:40:16 pm
His character was seized by the FBI.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 01:55:43 pm
I already relieved the contents of my bowels on you. Now i'd just be beating on a paralytic in a wheel chair if this continue.
you are currently experiencing a condition called anus inflamatus. sometimes referred to as "arse hurt" feels like you got a knife up your shitter titlin dont it lol... dont worry its a common virus that normally follows after trying to fuck around with maverik
no titlin i said you had contracted queerus faggotus its a condition that anyone can get. if they kiss arse too to a member of the same sex.... much like you are doing with cvsb and sean
at least I "seem like an idiot" you are a fucking idiot. I have diagnosed you with a condition called imbecilus Retardus. My left testicle has a bigger brain then you.
If I cared WOULD I SAY THE THINGS I DO?. and truth be told what I say isnt a lie either its true.
i can literally pick someones work at random to compare with mine and the results would be laughable. honestly this too easy for me. I dont even want to do this right now.
hose are as good as your getting. not happy? then go back to something far worse then what I produce should I provide examples again? I could literally pick one at random.
and still they looks better then anything created by the best part of this community..........
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Person man and Jmorphman werent hazing him, neither was gbk. Any reaction he had to criticism tended to escalate until he was pulling off comparisons with others and claiming he shat on them. I dont think how some of you think this is a reasonable professional behaviour. Anyone acting like that in a studio would have had that person sacked.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 02:24:16 pm
While you're at it, don't forget to make it so he can't modify his profile nor delete or modify any of his posts, in case he still has the ability to do that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 23, 2012, 02:36:40 pm
whatever he released. doesnt justify at all his behaviour. Even if he was the best of the best that kind of attitude would be shitty.
That is a given.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on March 23, 2012, 03:09:37 pm
The worst part was how you could switch "then" with "than" in his posts and round-robin "they're" "there" and "their", and that would yield at least a 20% increase in grammar correctness :_blank::goi:
and no, I don't have anything of value to say on the subject.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 03:38:11 pm
I don't agree with Maverik being permabanned. Even though he had an annoying holier than thou attitude, he was actually tolerable when people weren't trying to get a reaction out of him or trying to make him react more during a battle (I'm looking at people like Rednavi right now). Would a shorter, say 2 week to one month ban be a little better? Sure. He does need time to calm down a bit. However, since a lot of this came from antagonization from others (or worsening in some cases), I feel that a permaban is more than what needs to be done here.
No one was doing that this time. I certainly wasn't. I gave him some feedback that he was free to ignore, but he instead turned it into a personal issue. Saying that I was only doing this cause I "had a nasty run in with [me] before and [he was] certain that [I was] still sore after that. who wouldnt be". I didn't even know what he was talking about at first, it was something to do with only white people fucking horses and commiting genocide or something that really wasn't that big of a deal but apparently I held a HUGE GRUDGE on Maverik over it. (hint: no I didn't). So then he goes into my wip thread and tries to get back at me by insulting my sprites. The only problem with that strategy was I didn't go apeshit about it and instead accepted his criticism politely, and promised to work on it. He left the thread alone after that. But while he was doing that, he was also going into other people's threads and insulting their work. And that's not someone who should stay in the community. He's already been banned before over stuff like this and he's proven he won't change because he doesn't think he did anything wrong (how could he? HE IS A GOD). So he's gone for good.
good riddance
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 23, 2012, 04:18:23 pm
Allow me to clear my stance up a bit: - No, I am not saying "Free Maverik" or anything of the sort. I do agree that he needs time in the cooler. - What I *am* saying is that 3 months would've worked. He has stated on MI that he's going on "indefinite hiatus" until he feels that things have died down a bit.
Maybe it's the fact that I deal with Skulltag's moderation system more than here, I dunno. I didn't want people to think I'm trying to free him or saying he's done nothing wrong. I do agree that it was his fault here. I'm not saying this whole saga was caused by everyone else; he did bring a lot of this on himself. However, for one example, check the Recycle Bin; there's at least one post by Anjel and one by KOD (AFAIK) both trying to further it.
Spoiler: The system there is,(click to see content)
if you get 3 warnings on your account, your group is changed to "Purgatory", and in that rank you can only see a special board; all normal boards are hidden for you, and your sig and av are overridden by the one the rank uses. You're there until you can convince the staff you're fit to return to the main boards - plenty have come and gone there, this kid (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?action=profile;u=75893) came here after being sent to said rank. The only time you're truly banned is if you evade, hack ingame, are completely intolerable, or post warez. We've actually not banned people there that have been far worse than Maverik has been here.
For the case of attention whores, they go to "Solitude" instead, which is a custom-crafted Purgatory where the only people there are that person and the staff (they can see and post in both Purgatory and any Solitude).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2012, 04:24:17 pm
The only time you're truly banned is if you [...] are completely intolerable
Seems like it's the case, to most people anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 04:25:04 pm
that system sounds fucking stupid
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 23, 2012, 04:34:23 pm
Is he ip banned or just his account ?
Because when a popular site bans an ip it gets sent to a worldwide black list, when using programs like outlook to send an email it immedaitely gets classified as spam, file sharing sites such as mediafire and megaupload also throtle their bandwidth to a minimum and disconnect often because they also have joined the anti spam crusade. Even facebook and twitter add several minutes of delay to the publications made by those banned ips because they have to be approved first by their indian moderators.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zero-Sennin on March 23, 2012, 04:38:48 pm
I personally feel, after having watched some of what Mav was saying, that in three months he probably would have just come back to pull the same old crap.
I know people were messing with him before, and that was wrong on their part, but there are plenty of times where he was just reacting to innocuous things the wrong way, and it wasn't something he appeared to be actively working on changing.
In this particular case, he was pretty much asking for what he got, and three months wouldn't have done anything to improve his disposition unless he seriously reconsidered his behavior. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 23, 2012, 04:52:01 pm
Let's unban Maverick after 3 months. If he cools down he stays. If he doesn't we ban him and Gill forever. :ball:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on March 23, 2012, 04:55:05 pm
ok I think we established at this point that his ban was well deserved. let's talk about this again in a few months or something :)
I stand corrected!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 23, 2012, 06:37:57 pm
Wow this thread is much better than everyone PMing the mods and then going on IRC to bitch about the one mod that someone talked to in a PM.
Should have done this a long time ago.
2 cents =
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
I don't know what the guy did or whatever, but you guys have not permabanned people that did far worse. I base that on the fact that whatever he did, it didn't spill over into enough threads for me to notice, I didn't see a porn bomb explode, and nobody deleted the site.
As much of a "my friend was banned and I don't like it", suck pump that Gill is, in this case, he might slightly have a point. Not that I care, I just like pointing out hypocrisy because you guys seem to forget or not notice it from time to time. ;P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 06:48:49 pm
then please tell me who these horrible criminals that should've been permabanned yet are still posting are
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 23, 2012, 06:53:53 pm
Wow this thread is much better than everyone PMing the mods and then going on IRC to bitch about the one mod that someone talked to in a PM.
Should have done this a long time ago.
2 cents =
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
I don't know what the guy did or whatever, but you guys have not permabanned people that did far worse. I base that on the fact that whatever he did, it didn't spill over into enough threads for me to notice, I didn't see a porn bomb explode, and nobody deleted the site.
As much of a "my friend was banned and I don't like it", suck pump that Gill is, in this case, he might slightly have a point. Not that I care, I just like pointing out hypocrisy because you guys seem to forget or not notice it from time to time. ;P
Most importantly, this guy attacked creators and creations directly, instead of the usual fuck orochi gill stuff that happens in the all that's left.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on March 23, 2012, 07:06:02 pm
Here I was thinking I piss people off.
I just feel I should set the record straight an apologise for that Ingrid character I insulted.
I think it was created by Crazy Koopa so I owe him the apology.
It isn't fair to insult characters simply based on their original source.
In retrospect I was just insulting the creator in a roundabout way and I don't feel good about doing such a thing to the guy.
Just wanted to get out their and I feel this is as good a place as any.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on March 23, 2012, 07:19:41 pm
then please tell me who these horrible criminals that should've been permabanned yet are still posting are
I am! :twisted:
Anyways I heard from somewhere that Maverick wants all of his post history and threads to be deleted from this forum and that he is quiting from mugen and that he won't continue or share his creations...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 23, 2012, 07:37:39 pm
then please tell me who these horrible criminals that should've been permabanned yet are still posting are
Well a number of people on the spilling over thing. I remember porn bombs not being permaban worthy, JZ did that abortion thing to my profile when I was using his image at an avatar, Ash got how many chances?
Those are just off the top of my head.
I mean Titlin do you honestly think that the mods and especially you are consistent in handing out bans? It is subjective as fuck and that is why I say Gill may have a point. You guys have given others chance after chance, and Val's (Paraphrasing), "well he can always beg to come back after time has passed" is something that happens sometimes, but really it shouldn't be the norm.
Again, simply based on the fact that I don't see 10 to 12 fight threads happening and spilling out, should give one a pause about permaban.
I know you don't want to admit to the subjectivity and bias that mods have, but we all did it and is why many don't ban people you have argued with or have a bias against. What I am talking about is the fairness of standards in the bans themselves. Others have more chances and again that is why Gill has a point. He isn't saying the guy didn't fuck up and that something should be done, he is saying that what was done is to0 harsh, and I tend to agree with him because others in the past have been given less for more.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 23, 2012, 07:48:33 pm
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It is subjective as fuck and that is why I say Gill may have a point.
Assuming there have indeed been inconsistencies, no, Gill doesn't have a point. Yes, the rules are different for everyone. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Maverik doesn't deserve as many chances as he got, there's no way you could question his ban. Gill's main point is that he thinks 3 months should be enough ; as far as I'm concerned I'm 100% convinced it's not, it wouldn't make any difference until Maverik grows capable of reconsidering his entire life.
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I don't see 10 to 12 fight threads happening and spilling out
You're clearly not looking hard enough. I stick to the gaming sections and on far between occasions the WIP and Mugen discussion sections, and I've easily seen big fights with him that were happening in completely different sections. The reason those fights stick to some release, WIP and Graphic sections is simply that Maverik himself seldom goes to any other section, and he targets people he gets pissed at, so of course he doesn't go in completely unrelated sections to drag fights with people that aren't there. The reason you don't see those fights is only that it just so happens that you go to the sections he doesn't go to, and vice-versa. But it doesn't make it any better.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 23, 2012, 07:50:09 pm
Well a number of people on the spilling over thing. I remember porn bombs not being permaban worthy, JZ did that abortion thing to my profile when I was using his image at an avatar, Ash got how many chances?
Those are just off the top of my head.
I mean Titlin do you honestly think that the mods and especially you are consistent in handing out bans? It is subjective as fuck and that is why I say Gill may have a point. You guys have given others chance after chance, and Val's (Paraphrasing), "well he can always beg to come back after time has passed" is something that happens sometimes, but really it shouldn't be the norm.
Again, simply based on the fact that I don't see 10 to 12 fight threads happening and spilling out, should give one a pause about permaban.
I know you don't want to admit to the subjectivity and bias that mods have, but we all did it and is why many don't ban people you have argued with or have a bias against. What I am talking about is the fairness of standards in the bans themselves. Others have more chances and again that is why Gill has a point. He isn't saying the guy didn't fuck up and that something should be done, he is saying that what was done is to0 harsh, and I tend to agree with him because others in the past have been given less for more.
The guys you mentioned were probably banned only once.
Maverick was banned for a few days, and said he would chill, only to do the same shit again. That's the only reason he's permabanned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 07:51:15 pm
JZ did that abortion thing to my profile when I was using his image at an avatar
i don't know what this is about either but i figure he stopped when we asked him to??
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Ash got how many chances?
several, but he wasn't being as big of a shithead as maverik was being. and he's still permabanned
maverik is someone that got several warnings without being banned, staff spent plenty of time trying to show him what he was doing wrong, eventually got banned, his ban expired and now he started doing the same shit again. he displayed that everything we tried to talk to him about was a waste of time. his venomous YALL IS SHIT! IM DA BES attitude regarding the community is far worse in the long run than someone posting goatse or jesuszilla doing that profile thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 23, 2012, 07:56:27 pm
So the difference between him and many other users is that when you banned him and told him to change he didn't wait a month to start doing it again.
But I understand. He sucked, but now no opportunity to change. Byakko has a point thought, some are hopeless, the question to you guys is.... Is he truly hopeless or did you lose patience?
At GOH, many were not banned at all... They know when to back off for how long before repeats.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on March 23, 2012, 08:00:31 pm
I don't think Maverick should be banned forever. I think he should be banned just for a little amount of time until he has a better behavior. I say like 10 or 20 years :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on March 23, 2012, 08:01:30 pm
I agree guys, make a compromise and ban him for 20 years only.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 23, 2012, 08:06:01 pm
some are hopeless, the question to you guys is.... Is he truly hopeless or did you lose patience?
Those fights have happened over the course of several months (and that's just what I've seen), with several people, with bans inbetween, over petty shit of various nature (the quality of his work, his opinion on random stuff, his attitude, his knowledge on facts of life, his attempts to "help" people...) (they all pointed back to his view on life that goes like this : "I'm a god") As several staff members have said, a lot of different people have tried in several ways to explain to him that he was doing something very wrong. Everybody ended up with the same conclusion - fuck it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 23, 2012, 08:10:11 pm
Meh good bye then, but I just look at the months spent on everyone who has Sonic in their name before they were like fuck it!
But I yield my point. Gill your friend "is shitty and he knows it! wiggle wiggle wiggle yeah."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 08:14:32 pm
the sonic39262-type bad poster isn't anywhere as harmful to the community as someone like da maverik is. they're just dumb.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on March 23, 2012, 08:22:39 pm
then please tell me who these horrible criminals that should've been permabanned yet are still posting are
Well a number of people on the spilling over thing. I remember porn bombs not being permaban worthy, JZ did that abortion thing to my profile when I was using his image at an avatar, Ash got how many chances?
Those are just off the top of my head.
Jz i remember, several people mimicked his avatar and sig, oz deleted jango thread because he looked at it and it looked like a bunch of jzs just posting stuff one after the other. Jz started accusing him of being personist. Shamrock mimicked the avatar like all the others did, jz had them all remove the avatars and then replaced it with an abortion picture. Got banned for a while.
The porn bomb was sion and kfm doing, someone announced a castlevania full game here, they replaced it with a porn bomb, kfm in his usually classyness claimed it was well deserved. It also helped in kfm getting perma eventually.
Shamrock, I believe you havent really followed any of the threads involving mav.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 23, 2012, 10:08:24 pm
The word "personist" is literally the dumbest thing I've heard of all day.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 23, 2012, 10:15:46 pm
No Iced I have only paid mild attention to his posts and I have been absent for a while, but from what I saw, he one of those jerks that was using gimmick in this case, "i am the baddest" and an ass.
I mean even Drunk Ryu wasn't permabanned at first? But like I said, I yield.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 23, 2012, 10:18:07 pm
The porn bomb was sion and kfm doing, someone announced a castlevania full game here, they replaced it with a porn bomb, kfm in his usually classyness claimed it was well deserved.
Uh, that's not what I remember. The link was picked up by a few particular people, so they redirected that link to a random place. Someone here posted that link, and it just happened to end up on a porn bomb site (freezing the computer with porn-related popups). Not exactly what you're implying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 10:20:59 pm
yeah it wasn't a porn bomb, it was a site with a bunch of popups or something. it was a bad thing either way
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 10:22:39 pm
And I know what happened, they demanded that it wasnt linked by people in the guild, it got linked so they replaced the link with a popup porn bomb on purpose. That was the term used back then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 23, 2012, 10:39:47 pm
Wrong, again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 10:43:57 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=86957.0;all serio didn't want it announced in the mugen community. the game was announced in guild, serio made it so any clicks to the site coming from mugen guild would redirect to last measure. last measure is a bad thing. i don't see how iced is wrong unless you're nitpicking on the term "porn bomb"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 10:47:47 pm
maybe he prefers the term they used "Last measure".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 23, 2012, 10:50:27 pm
The topic you link to clearly states the redirection was supposed to be to one single "gross out pic". This is still not anything like what you guys are saying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 23, 2012, 10:54:03 pm
Byakko, I only brought this one up because it pissed me off.
I clicked the link to see what the report was about and within seconds my browser opened 50 porn sites and kept doing it. I had to shut down the browser with task manger. = Porn bomb.
Who cares, I only brought up some extreme examples and this was a particular one that pissed me off, because for a moment I thought I just gave myself one hell of a fucking virus.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 23, 2012, 10:55:08 pm
I'm not talking about how you're calling the result "porn bomb", I'm talking about what Iced is saying - that it was deliberate, that they went "let's make a porn bomb and spread a virus" and such. Again, they planned to redirect to one site with a single image. It did end up in a "porn bomb" and it did give people like you a pretty bad scare, but Iced is (not a surprise) transforming facts. Anyway, that example did end up in a ban :P On another note, generally speaking (not talking about that particular example but in response to the point you were making), a single action that follows a series of events may not be judged the same way as a slightly smaller but persistent behavior (except in the case of a virus or hacking, of course).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 10:59:20 pm
A virus has been detected, niggers.pln. etc, detected as malware, worm, installed on the site recently, jango called my attention to click it.
Whilst redirecting to a series of gross images from PAIN/LM.
Good going there, extremely mature and conscious. BRAVO , BRAVO.
What it was supposed to be and what it actually was is pretty irrelevant, it was picked up as malware, it was justified by the rs crew ( and jz) as being the way to go and it was a really stupid thing to do.
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Uh, that's not what I remember. The link was picked up by a few particular people, so they redirected that link to a random place. Someone here posted that link, and it just happened to end up on a porn bomb site (freezing the computer with porn-related popups). Not exactly what you're implying.
It wasnt an accident where the page was redirected to a random place and it JUST SO HAPPENED to go into a porn bomb site.
It ended up with bans anyway so what example shamrock wanted to give was valid. Maverik behaviour was a more persistent repeating one. Although not as gross.
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Iced is, not a surprise, transforming facts.
You are a riot, also a riot, the stupidest crew that ever tried to dominate and destroy communities you used to be part of.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 23, 2012, 11:01:25 pm
What it was supposed to be and what it actually was is pretty irrelevant
No, it's exactly what I'm talking about. I'm specifically responding to your post where you acted like it was planned out this way. I'm saying you're wrong, it wasn't. I'm not denying what happened as a result. Don't be stupid and holding grudges.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 11:03:54 pm
The whole purpose of using last measure is making that kind of stuff, Last measure IS malware. How can you say it wasnt intended to be malware when using malware.Maybe serio didnt know it was malware? Then why was he laughing it up and claiming it was easy to troll "us fags"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 23, 2012, 11:11:40 pm
You're looking at the end result and drawing assumptions on the cause. Stop that. You want to know the answer ? Ask them instead of curling up here and holding it in the back of your mind for years. I promise I'll back off if you do and they confirm what you say.
Then why was he laughing it up and claiming it was easy to troll "us fags"
Maybe simply because it was a redirection triggered by the referrer ? I'm not saying that's what it was, but you're making assumptions, and I only need to prove the possibility of the opposite.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 23, 2012, 11:13:03 pm
How do you defend an incident like that so stoically
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 23, 2012, 11:14:19 pm
What are you talking about ? What am I defending, according to you ? And what makes you think, from what I said, that I'm defending the action of spreading malwares and virii to dozens of people who have nothing to do with the matter ? Because I'm not.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 11:21:33 pm
you are doing it byakko, your way of adressing it is ridiculously stoic. all the posts on that thread have the info people assume to be reality, their OWN declarations about it, while you go like "YOu better ask them otherwise you are just assuming!!"
I dont have to do shit for horrid tiny people that spent the last five years being horrible to each other. They dont deserve the benefit of even a polite hi from anyone here, that "TROLL U FAGS" post is enough to know that no one there deserved said benefit when they wouldnt do the same for others.
You are looking at an incident where someone released a popup porn bomb because they didnt want their stuff released , then taunted the boards they released it on and you aregoing like "you guys acting as if you know everything going on! Iced is transforming facts again! Just because they were talking about trolling you guys at the same time it doesnt mean really what it means!" You are being ignorant on purpose, and for some reason im even letting you try to redraw the whole thing over a somewhat heroic perspective. Stupid me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 23, 2012, 11:24:28 pm
Argh.
The original intent was to have people go to a junk site, suggested in chat by Jango. The fact that it turned into something else (porn, malware etc), and is probably worse now than it was then was not their intent.
Ok, that's the only bit Byakko is talking about. Them coming in defending the mistake is not the issue here and does this REALLY need to be argued about in this thread?
I wasn't even visiting their chat at this point but that was the story as i heard it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 23, 2012, 11:27:10 pm
you are doing it byakko, your way of adressing it is ridiculously stoic.
What ? Are you stupid or something ? I'm asking where I'm defending the spreading of malwares and such, and you answer to me is "you're being stoic" ? Are you serious ?? (edit - and you get mad at me when I'm not stoic anyway, so make up your mind about it, bro :P)
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their OWN declarations about it
I am reading their own declaration about it in that link above and I read it was supposed to be "a gross pic". This is completely different from what you are saying. So yeah, you are lying.
I am NOT defending people who knowingly spread malwares to people who have nothing to do with anything. I DO NOT condone that. Stop saying that. I despise the act of harming innocent bystanders.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2012, 11:39:56 pm
they used last measure , they admit to it, they then claim its easy trolling US FAGS This is last measure http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Nigger_Association_of_America
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The GNAA uses several methods of trolling. One method involves flooding weblogs with a massive amount of repeated words and phrases, referred to as "crapflooding".[8][9] They have also produced shock sites containing malware.[9] One such site, "Last Measure", contains malware that opens up pop-up windows containing shocking pictures.[10] On Wikipedia, members of the group created a page about themselves, while adhering to every rule of Wikipedia, essentially using the system against itself.[7]
So they used last measure, a malware program. that delivers shocking images of sex and gore.
JEEZ its almost like you are being a dumbass on purpose. They intended to use last measure and used it , then taunted people, I havent said a lie, but you can continue living in your fantasy world where somehow this means im stupid because i cant tell the difference between "intending to use a junk site " and "using a shock gore site and taunting people about it"
well seeya! you can keep trying to defend it all you want, or "not defend it but upholding the truth" as you would call it. Dont bother answering Jesus h christ , cant see something about years ago without running to try to defend it, no matter how wrong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on March 23, 2012, 11:44:29 pm
Oh my God J.C. a PORN BOMB!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 23, 2012, 11:47:19 pm
You keeping naming Last Measure, please explain why. I can't find any mention of it except in Jango's post who talks about a mistaken amalgam (FROM YOU). I'm STILL not defending the usage of a site that spreads malware. You're STILL saying that I do. I've already told you several times right here to stop doing that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2012, 11:57:29 pm
iced said "A virus has been detected, niggers.pln. etc, detected as malware, worm, installed on the site recently" and jesuszilla corrected him saying "last measure is none of that". what shamrock described was last measure. last measure is detected by antivirus software which is why iced posted that virus warning. it was more than likely last measure or something similar. serio probably said "i just wanted them to see a gross pic" when the reports about viruses (people assuming it was a virus because their antivirus blocked the site) started to appear. anybody using last measure knows what it does and it's absolutely not just a gross picture.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 24, 2012, 12:09:03 am
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serio probably said "i just wanted them to see a gross pic
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anybody using last measure knows what it does and it's absolutely not just a gross picture.
Okay. Don't mix up the end result and the original redirection. The process you just described still adds up to a redirection of a redirection that ended up with Last Measure. The end result, Last Measure, was bad. The only thing I'm saying since the beginning is that it might not have originally been that, and that fits with what I heard at the time (this is also comforted by Cyanide's post above). Again, the only one I've seen saying "they intended it to be that from the beginning" is Iced, with a confusion around comments from Jesuszilla and Jango.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 24, 2012, 12:14:50 am
Yeah, sorry about that, i remembered a J.
Anyway. What got them banned was the reaction afterwards. Not the redirect itself. And that was piled onto loads of other stuff beforehand which is all OLD NOW AND NOT EVEN WORTH THIS TEXT.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 24, 2012, 12:17:05 am
im taking more issue with you claiming im lying and manufacturing facts when what im saying is what happened, and what you are saying is "well they didnt intended for that to fully happen" and im going "but still when they made it happen they still acted like terrible dicks, and whoever uses last measure knows this shit happens"
also what cyanide said.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on March 24, 2012, 12:22:43 am
Jesus Christ I take back saying this thread was a good idea.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on March 24, 2012, 12:33:16 am
Yeah, this is completely irrelevant to this thread. Split this tangential conversation into its own thread or just delete.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on March 24, 2012, 12:37:28 am
It's just people reacting to Byakko doing his thing...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 04, 2012, 12:45:53 am
As insufferable as GBK can be, I don't think banning him was necessary. He was contributing to a thread, contributing content that he obviously has a lot of. Should we ban Girard for posting hella gaming news in every thread?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 【RTC】MelvanaInChains on April 04, 2012, 12:47:25 am
yeah, i don't think gbk is that great of a poster (and he could've handled it a lot better) but banning him for three months for being on-topic is uh
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on April 04, 2012, 12:48:01 am
I think Iced reasons are correct. GBK really post a cosplay pic after anyone posted one, and when iced tried to keep him cool in good manners, he only said "fuck you"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 04, 2012, 12:52:57 am
I think he was banned more for his repeated STFU posts when Iced (mostly) politely reminded him of a thing that upset people and was discussed before.
While I'm talking about this: titiln, I'm a bit annoyed by your constant insulting of people. It makes bans like this which feel justified otherwise weird in the same way posting gimmicks did after you banned navana for it. this is not a new thing, but you really are doing it a lot lately.
Either way three months is too much since it's a wrist slap thing. Make it three days or something...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 【RTC】MelvanaInChains on April 04, 2012, 12:54:33 am
i didn't see him 'constantly' posting 'stfu' but i guess i wasn't paying attention, that and a lot of other people can get away with telling people to shut the fuck up. again yeah he could've handled it better but i don't see how it was a big deal to begin with. if you banned him for his spamming of his own little 'advice gbk' meme bullshit that's understandable but
ahhh fuck
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 04, 2012, 12:58:23 am
four fuck you to an admin politely reminding him of something, I was going with two months but he said three was the perfect measurement. I will make it 30 days then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 04, 2012, 12:59:20 am
I dunno I thought it was pretty rude of you to continue insinuating him posting cosplay in a cosplay thread was wrong (???) to begin with.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Luis Alejandro on April 04, 2012, 01:01:15 am
While I'm talking about this: titiln, I'm a bit annoyed by your constant insulting of people. It makes bans like this which feel justified otherwise weird in the same way posting gimmicks did after you banned navana for it. this is not a new thing, but you really are doing it a lot lately.
Yea Chris you're doing to much lately. I didnt want to say anything because we are bronies but you are starting to become more like you were when Walt called you out acouple years ago
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 01:02:59 am
I dunno I thought it was pretty rude of you to continue insinuating him posting cosplay in a cosplay thread was wrong (???) to begin with.
i've never really gotten the point of that whole debate myself
though gbk's response was admittedly negative
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 04, 2012, 01:05:10 am
As long as he isn't double, triple, quadra, penta, MONSTER posting, I don't see the problem with it. Which is what I'm getting at.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 04, 2012, 01:09:04 am
he had been warned before about it ( soft warned, not like, banned or anything) when people complained and at those times he stopped.
Now it was just a reminder for him to not start doing that thing again, his reaction is what netted his ban, had he just told me that he thought i was wrong, its not like i wouldve banned him.
Years ago teling a admin to go fuck himself would have them permabanned.I dont think giving him a time out over this is in anyway unjustified.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on April 04, 2012, 01:12:27 am
30 days is still too much :P
hey Iced are you going to ban tempest for all the BS that happened at the screenshots thread as well? :)
Or titiln for constantly insulting every single possible person around here? :)
Or yourself for changing my profile??? >:(
Then stfu >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 【RTC】MelvanaInChains on April 04, 2012, 01:13:01 am
yeah a lot of other people have told others to go fuck themselves and got off scot-free from what i remember so
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 01:13:20 am
point me to the posts in which i'm insulting people for no apparent reason and it's completely uncalled for
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 01:14:37 am
he was by far the main contributor to the thread (i don't really see this as a problem) and occasionally mocked other users' contributions but the whole argument always seemed awkward and contrived
it was never really a black/white issue it was always kind of muddled/stupid
i can see how he would have been insulted i can also see that telling an admin to FUCK OFF a couple dozen times is probably not the right course of action
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 04, 2012, 01:19:49 am
point me to the posts in which i'm insulting people for no apparent reason and it's completely uncalled for
that's not a justification. not everyone can judge situations and people as well as you, and when people see it's apparently ok to insult when they feel like it (which is what you are converging to), they will do just that. called for or not, you are making it more socially acceptable to insult people bit by bit.
just tone it down a little.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 01:27:21 am
this may be irrelevant, but i don't think titiln's behavior had to do with gbk's outburst
while i may see more users calling other users, 'idiot, moron, etc.', i would hardly blame titiln for it
of course 'staff should set an example' or what not, and i think everyone understands that
all i'm saying is that, at least in my mind, these two issues are completely unrelated
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Luis Alejandro on April 04, 2012, 01:32:25 am
point me to the posts in which i'm insulting people for no apparent reason and it's completely uncalled for
You are doing that to often.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 04, 2012, 01:34:43 am
I agree on Iced's decision of a slap on the wrist. Iced already made his point on why the banning ( ), I am one of the persons who complained about gbk's habit before because it really makes the topic worse. comparing his posting to girard's news is not apropiate, his ebhaviour is more like having a "X fighting game" thread , someone posts news on the game, the gbk tells him to shut up and posts a video of his youtube match, one day later someone posts trying to talk about the game's plot, then gbk call teh game's plto stupid and posts one of his friend's youtube matches... etc.. repeat at infinite until the topic is only about gbk posting youtube videos of his friends playing the game.
[EDIT] He also started camping in the fanart topic doing the same thing and even complainign to people about fanart credits.
[EDIT] I am ok with titiln.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on April 04, 2012, 01:39:29 am
point me to the posts in which i'm insulting people for no apparent reason and it's completely uncalled for
that's not what I said >:C
While it is indeed called for most of the times (Well, I wouldn't bet my soul on that honestly) you gotta admit that sometimes you go over the top or the post just doesn't deserve that much attention (Let alone insults and sarcasm).
It's kinda useless when instead of pointing out a flaw in the post all you do is use sarcasm and insult the guys, which depending of the person's experience he either fixes his behavior or just goes into a random flamewar. Heck many times is just you pissing off on other people's likings, we already know your humor sense is "superior japan", we don't need you to remind us about that every time somebody posts something.
And Val beat me to it. To be honest it's the vibe I'm getting from this place since a year or two. I'm pretty sure I'm guilty of this as well (Well, don't remember but I'm sure I get mad a time or two a month? Or just behave like an ass like one of the times where the forum became Da_Maverik vs the world briefly).
And hate wagons don't help the forum's experience. It came to a point where I can totally predict who's going to post after X user bashes somebody else. Makes you "rolleyes" IRL every time that happens.
but whatever, who the hell am I after all? The site wouldn't be that known if it was about all roses and flowers would be?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 01:42:00 am
people complained that titiln was acting too nice about a month or two ago
true story
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 01:42:40 am
i hate that nobody's even trying to bring up any examples. the only recent instances i see are me calling sky a fucking idiot because he was evidently trying to start shit (like he usually does), navana because he was disregarding what several staff members said to him and was being an attention whore in general. i also made fun of alexlexus and his videos because he's been repeatedly told to not post them and his threads end up deleted. told darkflare to stop being a shithead and to shut the fuck up because he was being pedantic about other people's feedback. i'm sorry but i think you're being ridiculous. set up a wordfilter against bad words if it bothers you that much.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 04, 2012, 01:44:52 am
And those are people who the userbase already has a pretty solidified opinion of. No one but themselves are going to make people change their mind's about them.
all i'm saying is that, at least in my mind, these two issues are completely unrelated
They are.
I had wanted to bring this up for a while. I'm not blaming titiln for anything, sorry if it came out that way. He's doing a great job, I don't think I have disagreed with any of his decisions since my absence.
I just wish he'd be more polite about it sometimes, and i don't want to call him out in one of these situations (which only distracts from the problematic person he's probably insulting at that point) so I'm doing it here.
\\ damn it stop posting so fast I can't get my posts in! >:(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 01:52:40 am
titiln, I'm a bit annoyed by your constant insulting of people. It makes bans like this which feel justified otherwise weird
ಠ_ಠ
all i'm saying is that titiln's sailor talk doesn't really make gbk's outburst any more justified in my mind
yeah that makes sense i suppose. then again all i got is 'wow that was kind of silly' about the gbk situation so
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 04, 2012, 02:10:44 am
ok searched for a random example where I found the amount of swearing excessive. wasn't hard to find: https://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=115031.msg1540505#msg1540505
maybe I'm being conservative about this kinda stuff. it's not about the words themselves, it's about the lack of respect they convey. you can not agree with people or not respect them, but that doesn't make it ok to throw a general level of politeness out of the window.
\\ edit
<- please ignore the pony on the left, not doing a gimmick thing here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 02:17:29 am
i'm sorry that i was being impolite to the character that basically told someone to stop posting their sprites, tried to drive out another poster from that thread by basically making a thread for them (https://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=139547.msg1534300#msg1534300) and is still very rude about other people's works (https://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=115030.msg1548197#msg1548197). i find that kind of behavior far more disruptive than someone saying fuck
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 04, 2012, 02:26:18 am
Read up on the guy I linked, he's kind of a cunt.
Doesn't mean calling him one is going to help the situation.
It's not /that/ big a deal to me either, but just big enough to bring it up while talking about something similar.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 03:12:25 am
i now get the feeling you keep trying to undermine my decisions without having full knowledge of what's going on, as seen in your post in this thread bringing attention to how i'm a terrible swearing monster against every poster or how i'm possibly failing at democracy by abusing my status (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=137290.msg1547338#msg1547338). i don't think this is going to work
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 04, 2012, 04:26:44 am
When I said failed at diplomacy, I meant just that. Diplomacy failed, might be time for less diplomatic measures. I had told navana his gimmick was annoying right before that post. I can see how the added ambiguity could have sounded accusing though, I tend to qualify strong statements (like "fail at diplomacy") when I'm not entirely sure. Wasn't meant that way, and I'm not even sure how you are getting from that to "abusing your status".
I'm pretty sure I never said you were a terrible swearing monster against everyone, and I didn't demand you never use a bad word again. I just wanted to direct your attention at your choice of words for a minute, because I feel you are sometimes provoking people with it, which makes it harder for them to follow good advice because they need to swallow their pride even more.
Said it before, saying it again, it's been a long time since I really disagreed with any of your decisions. You're doing a great job here, and I'm glad to have you. Doesn't help the fact that my mom was a fan of swear jars, so that's the constructive feedback you're going to get from me once in a while, nothing personal about it.
Can I use smileys again now?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 04:58:04 am
please find someone less aggressive
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 05:00:11 am
let's not do this again
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 04, 2012, 05:08:15 am
I dont think anyone less aggressive is needed, titiln is fine at what he does, if anything you could pace yourself more into arguments so that for outside readers it doesnt seem like you go from zero to fuck this shit in one post. Dont take val observation so strongly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on April 04, 2012, 06:14:41 am
Oh wow, that was a huge overreaction.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 04, 2012, 06:25:44 am
Sean, I think it's best we let this one play itself out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on April 04, 2012, 06:39:50 am
I'll throw my cent and a half (Again) and say that when I was an insufferable n00b several years ago I had to deal with several people who were in charge back then with similar behavior (And of course others who weren't mods) and while I did have problems with many people, be it via pms, on a thread, because I was stupid or oblivious to what's going on or not informed enough, etc. (This was the first internet site I've ever started to post on, my first internet forum, and in a language I wasn't very good at) I really don't think any of this kind of stuff helped me to get to know how to properly behave on the internet at all (Well in retrospective is not a surprise at all, when 90% of the feedback I got was just empty insults and really silly stuff from the mods like locking my profile, making me invisible to anybody except mods, modifying my posts, etc.) but in fact totally the opposite.
If anything I gotta thank Valodim for a REALLY LONG PM he sent me back then (He told me it took him like 40 minutes to write it XD) giving me tips and whatnot to be a better member of the site (And this was AFTER making me a ghost and all that :P) so feel free to make the obvious "you're still a shitty poster haha!" jokes but credit where's due, Val helped me a lot back then (Even if, mentioning it for the third time, he and messatsu made me a fucking ghost for quite some time >_>). So thanks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 04, 2012, 08:48:36 am
That has little to do with people who are actively trying to be shitheads. Ultimately, you're going to go through that treatment from someone, mod or not, so while it's a nice story it's kind of irrelevant, especially since Titiln hasn't really done(Insulting someone with prejudice) that to an actual newbie of that caliber.
Honestly, it seemed like Val was talking to him like he was a child and I would've got upset too. That's my opinion anyways.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 09:03:03 am
déjà vu
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 04, 2012, 09:06:32 am
I know what you're talking about and don't worry. I'm done ^__^
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on April 04, 2012, 10:43:14 am
this situation is regrettable, really. titiln only ever acts that way to members with problematic histories... its not like its hard to tell when he is serious about warnings. oh well. wish you the best in future endeavors if you dont decide to come back
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on April 04, 2012, 10:59:43 am
As a user (one with many mistakes cause I'm not perfect), I have many things I could say about Titiln that I don't agree with but again I won't say it cause I'm afraid I could get banned (by him), I recently learned to keep a low profile so that I can enjoy this forum without posting much... yeah... to enjoy a forum I like I have to keep a low profile without making much posts... ain't that sad? Anyways I just wanted to let my thoughts be heard as a regular user here, other than that I think the other admins and mods are doing a great job here, goodnight guys...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on April 04, 2012, 02:59:54 pm
...
well fuck
amazing what one innocuous MSN message can do :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on April 04, 2012, 03:10:36 pm
GBK should not be banned for more than a week, if not at all
Titiln is mean as fuck, but only to people who are as stupid as fuck. Does either one justify the other? Not necessarily. Is one more damaging than the other? That depends. A stupid person can derail threads by inviting people to bash them; a mean administrator could make people think it's okay to bash stupid people. And sometimes it is okay to bash stupid people, but it's never okay to be stupid.
All-in-all, Titiln obviously didn't want to moderate a forum for someone who didn't necessarily understand or approve of some of his methods. Although, Valdoim did mention that has been gone for a while and isn't really up to date on forum affairs.
Either way, Titiln made people afraid to be stupid. That is a good thing. I don't want the forum to be invaded by tons of stupid users who now think it's okay to be stupid.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on April 04, 2012, 03:33:00 pm
Overreactions all around.
- Unban GBK or make his ban shorter.
- Restate Titiln as admin. WTF somebody tells you to tone it down a notch, and you go all Fred Durst "M<y way or the highway"? Grow the fuck up, learn to consider assimilate feedback. Questioning yourself isn't a bad thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 04, 2012, 05:01:36 pm
As a user (one with many mistakes cause I'm not perfect), I have many things I could say about Titiln that I don't agree with but again I won't say it cause I'm afraid I could get banned (by him), I recently learned to keep a low profile so that I can enjoy this forum without posting much... yeah... to enjoy a forum I like I have to keep a low profile without making much posts... ain't that sad? Anyways I just wanted to let my thoughts be heard as a regular user here, other than that I think the other admins and mods are doing a great job here, goodnight guys...
considering the way you were posting before, downright hassling new people, you learning to keep a low profile was not a bad thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 04, 2012, 05:14:13 pm
I've been (attempting) to do it given that I've been a dick to some people that didn't really deserve it (I feel as if I should apologize for how I was in 2009, I really was dickish to a lot of people that didn't really deserve it).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rote Zaungast on April 04, 2012, 05:39:31 pm
Quote
mean as fuck, but only to people who are as stupid as fuck
they also were mean as fuck, so win win
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 07:43:30 pm
i'm aware that a previous thread (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=105786.0) gives the impression that i'll just ask to be admin in 6 months and is also a great source for comedy material in this context, but that post did say "for the time being" which could be read as me coming back at some point. this is not the case here. please find someone else, i'm done.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 07:47:31 pm
i'm aware that a previous thread (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=105786.0) gives the impression that i'll just ask to be admin in 6 months and is also a great source for comedy material in this context, but that post did say "for the time being" which could be read as me coming back at some point. this is not the case here. please find someone else, i'm done.
:(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on April 04, 2012, 08:11:50 pm
especially if the reason you're leaving is suspected mistrust or the previously mentioned accusations
you work as an admin, you're regularly active, and you've been able to keep order around here no one can contest that
having you resign would be to the detriment of the staff and the forum
of course this is your decision, but do think it through we'd really rather you not leave
This.
I know it's sometimes easy to forget that people volunteer time for this forum. A lot of hours go into keeping things more or less smooth, making graphics, making decisions about everything from bans to adding staff. And it's easy to forget to thank people who put in all those hours and to show appreciation. I only agree with you about 20% of the time, but I appreciate you 100% of the time. (ok thats a lie, make it 90%).
:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 04, 2012, 09:01:35 pm
I only agree with you about 20% of the time, but I appreciate you 100% of the time. (ok thats a lie, make it 90%).
i don't know if you're joking here or if it's a figure of speech or what, but if you really disagreed with me 80% of the time then it absolutely didn't show. please be more vocal on forum decisions from now on
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 04, 2012, 09:11:04 pm
i really do not see a viable replacement and cyanide always says no
it's not just a matter of hours, you brought a certain viewpoint and style to the position a certain je ne sais quoi
you're not exactly replaceable
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on April 04, 2012, 09:37:33 pm
i don't know if you're joking here or if it's a figure of speech or what, but if you really disagreed with me 80% of the time then it absolutely didn't show. please be more vocal on forum decisions from now on
Because I pick my battles. If I don't agree with you, that doesn't mean I think you are being unfair. We all have different personalities; yours is more "in your face and abrasive" than mine. You use vulgar language; I don't. I don't agree with the way you do things doesn't mean you aren't effective... it only means that's not the way I would do it. If I thought you were wrong, unfair and making a big mistake (like now) you better believe I'd be vocal about it.
:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on April 04, 2012, 09:52:11 pm
dattebayo
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rote Zaungast on April 04, 2012, 09:55:02 pm
I never asked for mod status all those years, so I'm very eligible for adminship
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on April 04, 2012, 11:18:53 pm
If, Titiln, you're really not coming back, are you still going to be active on the forum? Your activity on the forum is better than no Titiln at all. If you completely leave, then "they" have won.
Either way, I'm not going to insist that you come back like everyone else, you're a big boy who can make his own decisions. So if you're gone from the staff for good, perhaps you should, as your last endeavor, recommend what we should do to replace your efficiency. Instead of just saying that we should find someone else.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on April 04, 2012, 11:29:30 pm
Sorry, I don't get it yet... Titiln was dismissed as admin or he just quitted to his charge??
And I agree with various of here, he can be strict and even mean, but also he can't be replaced
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on April 04, 2012, 11:36:20 pm
The point in this thread at which he resigned is obvious.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on April 05, 2012, 12:10:04 am
Basara is too boss-like to read threads or be informed. He has secretaries (like Rugal) who inform him of everything relevant he needs to know.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on April 05, 2012, 12:17:23 am
Thanks for the boss-like stuff 8) but I don't have enough time in my office to see all the stuff you posted in the forum (also, I don't have inet in my house)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 05, 2012, 12:23:40 am
If, Titiln, you're really not coming back, are you still going to be active on the forum? Your activity on the forum is better than no Titiln at all.
i don't think i'll post very often
Quote
Either way, I'm not going to insist that you come back like everyone else, you're a big boy who can make his own decisions.
thanks for respecting that.
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So if you're gone from the staff for good, perhaps you should, as your last endeavor, recommend what we should do to replace your efficiency. Instead of just saying that we should find someone else.
i really don't have much to say on this subject other than "find someone else". pick a gmod to bump into administrator. i'd be fine with any of the current gmods being administrator, if i had a problem with one of them being administrator then they shouldn't be a gmod in the first place. afterwards pick someone to fill that gmod spot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on April 05, 2012, 04:29:39 am
I guess that is fair enough. Good luck in whatever you invest your time in in the future.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 05, 2012, 07:54:03 pm
That was Mugen drama fo the highest order.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on April 05, 2012, 11:32:28 pm
You got a (minor) scolding and you react like this, yet you have scolded many of us much more harshly, and it's 'well-intended feedback to grow as forumites, just in a tough tone'?
Quit now and it just means you've been a hypocritical bully all along. Please stay and prove that you actually believe in what you did. You've earned the respect of some of us though we don't agree with you or your style at all.
Don't throw that away that in a childish tantrum. I don't want to have to learn how to tolerate another admin's dickish 'bad cop' style. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 12:23:09 am
there's more to it than a "minor scolding" and there's a difference between the closest thing to a site owner this site has disagreeing with my methods and a one trick pony (you) disagreeing with my methods
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on April 06, 2012, 12:35:26 am
But he's never actually disagreed with your overall methods... He's just asked you to tone down a bit some of your wording. And you have actually spent some time without being that aggressive. Sometimes even slightly civilized, so it's not like it's all that alien to you.
You yourself, on the other hand, have repeatedly called some of us unredeemable shitposters all over the place. And instead of ragequitting, we've chosen to try to learn, lurk more, and be a bit more patient instead of throwing a tantrum to then invariably return in less than a month.
Yeah, I said try. :P
Maybe it's time for you to try and learn, for once?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 12:39:00 am
You yourself, on the other hand, have repeatedly called some of us unredeemable shitposters all over the place. And instead of ragequitting, we've chosen to try to learn, lurk more, and be a bit more patient
i suppose you're talking about other users considering you're still shitting up threads by posting about how america is not a country (you learned nothing)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on April 06, 2012, 12:42:47 am
Maybe it's time for you to try and learn, for once?
You don't have to reply now- you've made me learn to not post when mad, frustrated, or under pressure.
Why don't you take some time off the forum and think it over? Don't you think all this is a bit rushed?
Yeah, take your usual smart jab comeback at me so you can have the last word (god knows you never ever let anyone have it), but anyway, just give it some thought, plz?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 01:11:03 am
i disregarded the rest of your post because you're a hypocrite that talks about learning or trying to learn when you've done none of it. your posting is still mostly intended on starting shit
take your usual smart jab comeback at me so you can have the last word (god knows you never ever let anyone have it), but anyway, just give it some thought, plz?
and you still try to derail threads with the american argument despite countless people telling you how stale it got. you are a hypocrite. don't fucking tell me to learn when you're not even trying
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 01:18:52 am
anyway it would be super amazing if the staff would stop playing grabass in the staff forum and decide another administrator already
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 06, 2012, 01:21:38 am
you know we all pick cyanide and you know cyanide says no
there's no grabass involved
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 06, 2012, 01:24:17 am
A lot of the recent posts are :]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 06, 2012, 01:39:11 am
I think that's because titiln's new avatar is awesome. Imagine it reading his posts aloud
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on April 06, 2012, 03:20:34 am
Also, saying at least occasionally why my posts are so bad might help, y' know.
Yeah, I'm not getting into a debate about this. Besides, people have said why they're so bad so many times over the years that there's no point.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on April 06, 2012, 05:51:21 am
Yeah, he's been told before.
Do not fall for his "explain to me; what do yo think; what does it mean to you" posts. If he acts up again with that stupid American nonsense, then he's getting banned.
This is a reminder that that warning is still in effect.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on April 06, 2012, 06:15:19 am
Yeah, I can understand why you want Jmorph to not fall for my 'plz explain yourself' posts, since you yourself haven't even tried giving an explanation on pretty much anything, and the last time you didn't even wanna bother looking through my post history to back up anything of what you said. Can't you see that acting so arbitrarily will just make it harder for us to get along in the long run?
I already stopped regarding the 'America' subject seriously some time ago (since Shamrock times?) and have regarded it as a joke as of late. If anything, some other people seem to be the ones with a fixation on it. But whatever. ::)
Oh, I'm also gonna totally disregard what you are saying as a real warning- I'm not breaking any rules AFAIK nor derailing the topic at hand more significantly than any other forumite. Being banned over this? Pffft, don't make me laugh. Even you aren't that shortsighted and emotionally immature as to not notice that such a course of action would be plainly unfair.
EDIT: Replied here to the below post to actually not derail the topic anymore. I'm dropping it but not out of your petty threats and intimidation but because this is actually derailing the topic (and heck, I didn't start it). Feel free to start discussing the issue of my deserved? ban @ the staff thread whenever you want. Maybe you'll care to give your peers some explanations and arguments as to why I should be banned, since you can't give them to me? I'm quite certain some of them don't like me, but it's a long distance to a deserved ban, buddy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on April 06, 2012, 06:17:57 am
except for the part in which you just did. it's funny because in this same thread you were shitting on me for always trying to get the last word. hypocrite
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on April 06, 2012, 06:37:39 am
And did I not let YOU have the last word? I said YOU. Not every other user who hates me around here. :P
Iced, I dunno, thought it would help people move along, and if Rajaa actually wanted to do something useful (i.e. contacting you to discuss my possible ban) instead of just keep throwing empty threats, he'd know I had posted it because I told him via PM.
Seemed more reasonable than dragging this even more?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 06, 2012, 06:39:01 am
o_O
It just dragged it even more as people now are asking you why would you even do that and you come off as not caring about said warnings and trying to find loops around them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 06, 2012, 06:39:19 am
cut your losses lasombra this has turned into a clusterfuck
for everyone's sake end this conversation now
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on April 06, 2012, 06:43:53 am
Lasombra Demon. A simple hi turns into a rant
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 06, 2012, 07:04:15 am
Lasombra man this isn't worth it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 06, 2012, 07:28:08 am
Brief answer to the hugeass pm you sent me.
People replying to stuff you post that they find weird or strange arent persecuting you or harassing you. People talking to you about the stuff you post dont have it in for you, its not really related or as clear as that.
You are repeating the same stuff you were doing not even 15 days ago. http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=63101.msg1537106#msg1537106 down to the bluff stuff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on April 06, 2012, 07:34:44 am
Uh, I'm not trying to persecute you. o_O
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 06, 2012, 07:41:03 am
you replied to him, that's all it takes
you have to remain silent while slowly walking away and never turn your back to him
you could also play dead until he walks away to find a new target
//edit: i would like to take this change to welcome our new global mods: j-pots, brony man and... that other guy. may death come to their enemies soon!
ugh, why is my... chest... hurting so much.....GAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 01:43:35 pm
So he quit as admin because he was abusing his authority and someone called him on it.
It's about time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on April 06, 2012, 01:53:32 pm
:stare:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on April 06, 2012, 01:54:15 pm
Can we please not have Round 5?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 01:59:15 pm
Sorry, I'm done with it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on April 06, 2012, 02:00:45 pm
So I saw Jmorphman is following the path of his master and became Gmod too. Welcome to him and ponny guy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: kakkoii superhero on April 06, 2012, 02:31:51 pm
maybe I'm from different generation and different culture, but I do think calling someone as "idiot" or other similar insulting manner is inappropriate unless it is used jokingly.
totally different from calling a post to be idiotic, because it means the post is the subject, and not the person.
while someone who is an idiot would be expected to always post idiotic posts no matter what he posts
it will make a biased perspective to someone who you already labeled as "idiot" and it also means you don't want this person to be better.
I don't point this to anyone in particular.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 06, 2012, 04:00:06 pm
it's been 3 days already, why are you guys still talking about titiln?!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on April 06, 2012, 04:18:56 pm
Possibly because he's done a lot for this place. I wish I could think of something amusing regarding 3 days, titiln and the fact today is good Friday, but I have too many distractions to be clever.
:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 04:24:32 pm
Possibly because he's done a lot for this place. I wish I could think of something amusing regarding 3 days, titiln and the fact today is good Friday, but I have too many distractions to be clever.
:bow:
I can't think of one good thing he's done for this place.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 04:32:49 pm
i banned you although i made a mistake in not making it permanent. i made the mistake of thinking you'd somehow improve and stop posting dumb bullshit and derailing people's threads, but i was wrong. maybe you're right i haven't done anything good
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mgbenz on April 06, 2012, 04:35:48 pm
Possibly because he's done a lot for this place. I wish I could think of something amusing regarding 3 days, titiln and the fact today is good Friday, but I have too many distractions to be clever.
:bow:
I can't think of one good thing he's done for this place.
Can you PLEASE stop replying to this topic. You're not contributing to the discussion.
AT ALL.
And you even showed how your clueless about what happened judging by your previous post.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 04:38:04 pm
i banned you although i made a mistake in not making it permanent. i made the mistake of thinking you'd somehow improve and stop posting dumb bullshit and derailing people's threads, but i was wrong. maybe you're right i haven't done anything good
I am, you haven't done anything good.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on April 06, 2012, 04:45:36 pm
What horrible thing did you do to get banned?
:(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 04:48:48 pm
I lose track to be honest.
White-Knighting in PTan Mai's thread when it was getting bashed.
Saying I thought Ingrid was a worthless addition to the Streetfighter roster in an Ingrid release thread.
Though I do kind of regret the Ingrid thing, that was kind of unfair to the creator.
Crazykoopa I think but I could never find the guy to apologise.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on April 06, 2012, 04:54:14 pm
Don't forget ignoring Iced's, Rajaa's, and everyone else's advisement and still continuing to insinuate unnecessary tension in threads that were otherwise free of it.
Are you going to stop, man? We get it, you don't like Titiln. Like I told you before, if you don't like him, then it's probably best if you don't post in threads that have "Titiln" in their names and were made by Titiln himself. If he hurt your feelings, then that's too bad. I'm sure time will heal your wounds, as this isn't that serious. You don't need to keep posting about how much you don't like Titiln. WE GET IT.
You're looking for trouble, as it is now. You not liking Titiln and Titiln resigning does not give you an excuse to go around in a couple of threads and post provocative comments.
Please stop. For the fifth time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 05:09:51 pm
That's fine then, I'll leave it.
Any comments I've ever said that could be accused of 'flame-baiting' are only viewed as such because the community on the whole is far too sensitive.
They need to lighten up because to be honest I can't even remember what I said offensive other than what I just posted and I'm not trudging through my post history to find anything offensive.
I'll apologise if it puts your soul at rest.
I'm sorry.
Their you go, I think I've covered everything right their and if I haven't then you'll have to let me know. I also apologise for the cheap shots at Titlin, I'll admit they are childish so I'm sorry about that too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 06, 2012, 05:12:10 pm
Any comments I've ever said that could be accused of 'flame-baiting' are only viewed as such because the community on the whole is far too sensitive.
And here you go again, insulting the community, I don't know how does your mind works but why did it tell you it was a good idea to insult the community while backing off on insulting one of it's members.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 06, 2012, 05:15:15 pm
it's ok if he's the one insulting others. because as he has proven before he is better than all of us
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on April 06, 2012, 05:19:26 pm
Any comments I've ever said that could be accused of 'flame-baiting' are only viewed as such because the community on the whole is far too sensitive.
No. Your comments are flame-baiting because you're flaming baiting. Stop it. You can't justify your behavior. In fact, you seem the most sensitive because your wounds from Titiln are bleeding all over this forum and you can't shut up about him.
They need to lighten up because to be honest I can't even remember what I said offensive other than what I just posted and I'm not trudging through my post history to find anything offensive.
This is your problem. You don't know when you're being offensive. If you can't even control or understand your own self, then I don't think any other person can do much for you and I think I'm wasting my effort trying to get through to you. We don't enjoy banning people, give us other options, please.
Sepp is rolling in his grave (even though he isn't dead). This isn't an apology because you first told us that we are wrong (which we aren't), and then you gave the apology because you thought it'd make things better and only because you thought it'd make things better, not because you're actually sorry.
Their you go, I think I've covered everything right their and if I haven't then you'll have to let me know. I also apologise for the cheap shots at Titlin, I'll admit they are childish so I'm sorry about that too.
Yeah, this goes against your second line, but whatever, man. Please stop doing this forever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 05:20:51 pm
Any comments I've ever said that could be accused of 'flame-baiting' are only viewed as such because the community on the whole is far too sensitive.
And here you go again, insulting the community, I don't know how does your mind works but why did it tell you it was a good idea to insult the community while backing off on insulting one of it's members.
I think you just proved my statement to be pretty accurate their.
I'm not insulting the community.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 05:23:59 pm
this thread's been a parade of stupidity lately. who's next? can the staff unban da maverik to get his thoughts on the issue?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 06, 2012, 05:26:33 pm
Any comments I've ever said that could be accused of 'flame-baiting' are only viewed as such because the community on the whole is far too sensitive.
And here you go again, insulting the community, I don't know how does your mind works but why did it tell you it was a good idea to insult the community while backing off on insulting one of it's members.
I think you just proved my statement to be pretty accurate their.
I'm not insulting the community.
You are stupid.
I am not insulting you.
I will stop this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 06, 2012, 05:28:47 pm
I think you just proved my statement to be pretty accurate their.
I'm not insulting the community.
if i were an asshole, i'd insult your terrible grammar but i'm not, so i'll simply, once again, point out that you apparently don't know what the phrase 'drop it' means
do not respond to this post simply stop posting
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 06, 2012, 05:29:02 pm
can we ban Zantetsuken already?
he clearly doesn't like this place and uses every opportunity he can to express it. he has not improved even after pretty much the whole staff has already told him what he is doing wrong and has been banned several times for the same behavior he continues to have.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 06, 2012, 05:35:15 pm
he clearly doesn't like this place and uses every opportunity he can to express it. he has not improved even after pretty much the whole staff has already told him what he is doing wrong and has been banned several times for the same behavior he continues to have.
I don't dislike anyone.
I just don't feel I should be answerable to people I don't know.
Your just names on a computer screen to me.
I would treat people as people if they weren't acting like opinionated pricks.
To be honest that only really goes out to a few people. Some guys on here are friendly and outgoing but quite a lot are angry at the world.
Has Mugen always been this way?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 06, 2012, 05:56:22 pm
On the subject of Titlin. He doesn't like me and I don't like him, simple really.
well ok then
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on April 06, 2012, 05:56:38 pm
Hey, Zantetsuken, since you keep claiming you're gonna stop and then slinging insults and then claiming you're going to stop again, you're gone forever since this is the fourth time we've addressed this issue with you since last year. And you've also been given dozens of chances this time.
You ignored my last post and my last personal message.
Future endeavors; etc.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 06, 2012, 05:57:12 pm
I gues that you phone call someone they are just voices in a plastic box, when you people on television they are just images in a tv set and when you met someone in person they are just lumps of meat.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 06, 2012, 05:57:30 pm
Thank you Rajaa. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zantetsuken on April 06, 2012, 05:57:56 pm
Same to you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ciao on April 06, 2012, 06:20:12 pm
why did you ban DA_Maverik ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 06, 2012, 06:22:11 pm
Read the thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 06, 2012, 08:28:12 pm
well, you are talking about him in the warnings thread so.... does that means we can talk about him now?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: OZ on April 06, 2012, 10:37:17 pm
discuss if you think rajaa was justified in banning him
do not take jabs at him now that he's gone
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on April 07, 2012, 12:22:02 am
He was justified to give him a ban but not a permaban... I don't think he is much of a retard to be banned forever... a 4 month ban sounds fair I think, the guy is willing to learn from his mistakes and wants to take some time off from here anyways (he told me so), Ill say give him another chance Mr. Rajaa
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 07, 2012, 12:32:16 am
Well, he kept on dragging the argument, I think it was pretty justified. However, if it really was a permaban seems a bit severe. What's the criteria for such a serious measure, anyway?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 07, 2012, 01:04:42 am
he was previously banned on similar grounds several times and has shown no signs of improvement whatsoever. at this point a permaban is appropriate
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 07, 2012, 01:09:09 am
He was justified to give him a ban but not a permaban...
well he's been banned several times before for basically the same reasons and has not changed at all. he has also been explained the reasons by most of the staff but he is keeping his mentalilty that everyone else is who's wrong and now him
well he can be annoying but is barely active and is not the kind of user you'll call the mods immediately if you run into him. could become a regular user if he just decided to just OPEN HIS HEART and stop bringing bak pointless arguments he can't even back up
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on April 07, 2012, 03:23:00 pm
He also stated he disliked this community, so I don't think he will miss us that much. And as people said, he hasn't changed since day 1, and IMO someone unable to change (read Peterfoster here) isn't worth keeping around if he just brings problems.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: momo! on April 08, 2012, 03:59:54 am
titiln did the right thing in stepping down. For too long everything's been focused on people getting into arguments with him(including me!) and now that he's stepped down there's no basis for any such attacks because he's not an admin anymore and no longer reflects MFG staff.
Now we can all get along and be friends again AND WATCH COMMUNITY :sweetheart:
also, wasn't surprised to see zantetsuken go. kind of looked like he wanted it a bit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 08, 2012, 04:03:37 am
yeah i was the only staff member people got into arguments with
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: momo! on April 08, 2012, 04:05:05 am
no but they got into arguments with you a lot more than others D:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 08, 2012, 04:13:41 am
yes stupid people that want to get into arguments with you just because of your position instead of what you do or say are the most important thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 08, 2012, 04:37:48 am
I'm going to punch anyone who posts anything that continues this discussion.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on April 08, 2012, 05:00:58 am
what is your favorite cake flavor
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: momo! on April 08, 2012, 05:03:23 am
I'm going to punch anyone who posts anything that continues this discussion.
AIM FOR THE BALLS. okay I'll stop now
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on April 08, 2012, 05:05:28 am
God fucking dammit. Not random shit. This isn't a thread for random shit. It is MEANT to be serious. If you feel someone is in trouble for unjustified reasons, or we haven't punished them correctly, bring it up.
Don't talk about really old shit if you can help it. You've had ages in feedback to do that regardless if it actually offended you.
Below post deleted. Stay on topic properly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on April 09, 2012, 02:38:25 pm
About Luigi's alternative account comment, I'm sure he created it to answer questions/reports/feedback about his character in this thread:
Wait a minute... why do you delete that post?? >:( I said Matt that he can post about it in my WIP thread to avoid the offtopic in the Gai release thread
GOH, if you were a waitress you'd be whisking away my plate before I finished my sammich!
;P
You don't get to eat the sammiches you make!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 10, 2012, 01:24:16 am
but I do :smartass:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on April 12, 2012, 02:50:47 am
Good job Missbe for being the first staff member to create a system or rule on the bannings. Kudos.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on April 12, 2012, 12:51:20 pm
So far no agreement has been reached on that Shamrock. I guess it's no big secret I think the current system is unfair, biased, inconsistent and so on.
:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on April 12, 2012, 01:07:03 pm
You think any system that doesn't only ban someone when they post pictures of themselves in the White House with a bomb strapped to their chest is unfair, biased, and inconsistent.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on April 12, 2012, 01:12:54 pm
^ thats true, but I'm also willing to compromise. Too bad you see anyone who disagrees with you as some sort of personal insult to your authority and "power". Banning someone "forever" just because you can and with no discussion at all is unfair.
:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on April 12, 2012, 01:16:53 pm
I've never been personally insulted about my "power" and the only time I'm personally insulted here is when someone says my work is P.o.t.S styled. So you're banned forever. Feel free to reduce it if you think it's too much.
;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 12, 2012, 03:58:36 pm
pots work is rajaa styled.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on April 13, 2012, 04:55:27 pm
I am personally insulted, not pushed to the brink of insanity. :ninja:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 18, 2012, 12:27:38 am
Iced said:
forgot to mention but i did shave a week off gbk ban.
what a pussy
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on June 27, 2012, 04:25:39 pm
Wow, did Volzilla even go as far as manipulating other users? I thought he calmed down after that incident in which he tried to manipulate Caddie when he joined as a staff member. Apart from ahrimanes, how many people suffered the same? Not asking for names, unless there's no problem saying this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on June 27, 2012, 04:39:02 pm
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on June 27, 2012, 04:41:57 pm
Oh, thx. I missed it.
---
So in the end, was Volzilla banned forever from MFG because of this?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 27, 2012, 05:58:32 pm
I wish he had learned to take a step back. I've stayed out of this since the two of us set our differences aside.
However I think I owe the community an apology for setting that two year feud off, that caused at least two of his bans. If I hadn't, then it wouldn't have come to this, and he would've been a much friendlier guy. That whole feud caused a lot of problems, and had I not have been a dick like that in 2009 then we wouldn't be here. Yes, I am taking account for my own actions. I may not have been involved in this particular issue (I was at work), but if I hadn't sparked that feud off then Volzzilla would not be the person he is now (no offense). I know it's late, but I figured I should do it at some point.
tl;dr: The feud was my fault, and I'm apologizing for that now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on June 27, 2012, 06:10:48 pm
I wish he had learned to take a step back. I've stayed out of this since the two of us set our differences aside.
However I think I owe the community an apology for setting that two year feud off, that caused at least two of his bans. If I hadn't, then it wouldn't have come to this, and he would've been a much friendlier guy. That whole feud caused a lot of problems, and had I not have been a dick like that in 2009 then we wouldn't be here. Yes, I am taking account for my own actions. I may not have been involved in this particular issue (I was at work), but if I hadn't sparked that feud off then Volzzilla would not be the person he is now (no offense). I know it's late, but I figured I should do it at some point.
tl;dr: The feud was my fault, and I'm apologizing for that now.
Even if you never got into arguments with volzilla, I still think he'd still behave the same way. His friendliness or lack thereof wasn't really an issue; he could've been really friendly and still tried to force people to adhere to his own MUGEN rules.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 27, 2012, 06:32:52 pm
Can't really tell at this point though.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on June 28, 2012, 10:35:01 am
You didn't turn him into the "evil monster" he is and you're in no way responsible for his horrible, manipulative personality.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 28, 2012, 03:27:12 pm
From what I'm hearing (the person who told me does not want me to share the details), you are correct.
I did feel like a jackass for causing all that though.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lasombra Demon on July 01, 2012, 06:11:13 am
You needn't. The sheer amount of effort you put into getting along and eventually trusting him actually says you acted more than properly. You are judging yourself too harshly on this one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shamrock on July 01, 2012, 09:06:00 pm
You are wrong. Fuck Orochi Gill ;D
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 06, 2012, 02:59:25 pm
not much, just one crazy egytian kid some where between the age of 5 to 8 years old venting his anger and trying to enforce his law that anime sucks, which then spiralled into a racial slagging off match rated "PG". you didnt miss much at all. it was like a handicapped kid in a circle of bullies.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on July 06, 2012, 07:22:07 pm
DC is shit, except for Batman and sometimes Superman.
ur a dump french >:[
But it's true. I LOVE the Batman universe. I bought many comics, played video games from Genesis to today. He's my favourite Comic book character far in front any Marvel character. Then, Superman is tolerable, sometimes. But the rest, Green Lantern, Wonderwoman and the others ... I couldn't care less about them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on July 07, 2012, 12:54:56 am
So I get brought up into decisions over a Font. What's the big idea? Lol. I'm not doing anything.
You know exactly what the big idea is, "dear." This princess shtick of yours has caused more than its fair share of problems before.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on July 07, 2012, 03:59:38 am
You've been asked several times by the staff to knock off the Princess roleplaying bullcrap you keep doing. And no matter how many times you stop for some reason you're apparently compelled to go back and keep doing it again. I have no idea why doing that is worth risking being banned for.
Navana, you are fine being Navana. You were just fine making stages, your stages were good and improving. You don't need to filter your photos, you look fine without it. And you don't need to post under some gimmick that is intentionally meant to be obnoxious. Trust me, I've been there. Just be you.
Please listen to me because I think you could contribute a lot to Mugen and I really don't want you banned from here. But you're heading into that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on July 07, 2012, 06:04:09 am
I don't see any problem with that font. I can read the posts just fine and it's not distracting at all.
Don't give the attention seeker undeserved attention, guys. Let him play his own self out. Come back when he makes all his posts invisible.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on July 07, 2012, 06:32:22 am
DC is shit, except for Batman and sometimes Superman.
HOW 'BOUT I SLAP YOUR SHIT AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT?!
... want to see me do it again? [avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/avatars/flashBIG.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 07, 2012, 10:23:46 am
I made a Batman, thus you are inferior.
@MC2 : completely forgot Watchment were DC. Yeah, they're cool too, I'll give you that. At least they're not included in the DC Clusterfuck Wars (I think/hope).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 2OS on July 07, 2012, 10:53:41 am
Quote
Held out longer than I thought he would. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on July 07, 2012, 11:35:39 am
The font isn't the main thing people have a problem with.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 07, 2012, 05:15:19 pm
the use of font combined with ohohoho im a princess means this is another attempt to grab attention, which is a bad thing that hundreds of people have calmly explained to him. navana has learned absolutely fucking nothing
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on July 07, 2012, 07:11:58 pm
oh noooooo that guy is being an attention whore and we're giving him attention, what ever shall we dooooooooo?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 07, 2012, 07:25:28 pm
Someone else uses the exact same font as well. Lol.
I also didn't know agreeing with someones post was a way to try and grab attention. If you don't want anyone using the fonts, what's the point of them being here? I'm not mad at anyone, it's just I can't do anything different here without one of you guys jumping me. I like the font style, that's all. I haven't done anything bad.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on July 07, 2012, 07:37:46 pm
Thats a point.
If its not allowed to use the fonts..why are they avaiable :-)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on July 07, 2012, 07:39:02 pm
You're also allowed to post, but that doesn't mean post shit. Invalid point.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on July 07, 2012, 07:43:56 pm
Thats a point. If its not allowed to use the fonts..why are they avaiable :-)
Default board settings :P
I still think that using a different font is a bad way to stand out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 07, 2012, 07:45:42 pm
I shouldn't get in trouble for using a font though. I was still posting respectfully. Lol. I wasn't doing anything wrong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 07, 2012, 07:48:58 pm
The thing is you've done it before in connection to attention whoring, and they don't want to see it again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 07, 2012, 07:50:12 pm
Guys, unless navana is posting in gimmicks of being a princess or if gbk is posting in gimmicks of being a art director or if jmorphman is pretending to be an aien troll that cant type right or koakuma is posting in gimmicks of being a /v/tard I dont see much of a reason to be bothered by any of them.
Dont knee jerk reaction into them, although i know its hard.
Navana their reaction was due to how you escalated before, although you werent doing it yet, theyve seen you start it up a few times before.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on July 07, 2012, 07:51:53 pm
your words wound me, sir
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 07, 2012, 07:52:29 pm
Navana their reaction was due to how you escalated before, although you werent doing it yet, theyve seen you start it up a few times before.
I completely understand. And I am not trying to cause any issues. There will be no gimmick. Just the font. Nothing more. I never intended to have the gimmick anymore. Just the font. I apologize for anyones misconceptions. It will only be the font, nothing else
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on July 07, 2012, 07:53:26 pm
But of course. Those are the only other three I can think of. Do not forget about NANCY however, dear.
So who do you all think, basing it on who is left, will be in? ~ And if I may also add this, the viewers on YouTube are a bit upset that Gon has not been added. Yet it appears they do not know he has already been deconfirmed. Haha!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 07, 2012, 07:54:26 pm
Then there was a reason to react, I hadnt noticed that post, people were just linking to the others where only the font was being used.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 07, 2012, 07:54:34 pm
But of course. Those are the only other three I can think of. Do not forget about NANCY however, dear.
So who do you all think, basing it on who is left, will be in? ~ And if I may also add this, the viewers on YouTube are a bit upset that Gon has not been added. Yet it appears they do not know he has already been deconfirmed. Haha!
ONE POST. And I stopped myself very early because I remember what you guys said and what happened.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 07, 2012, 07:56:19 pm
Alright then. Please dont derail into that again, okay?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 07, 2012, 07:58:22 pm
I won't do the gimmick anymore Iced. Just the font. I promise.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on July 11, 2012, 04:07:54 pm
The font IS part of the gimmick. Stop that, dammit.
Fucking Comic Sans is an insult to humanity
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 11, 2012, 04:10:24 pm
why? are you having trouble reading it properly? :hugoi:
hey ,did you know you could delete fonts on your system?[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/sceptical.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 11, 2012, 04:13:14 pm
Comic Sans an insult to humanity? Holy shit it's just a font, calm down.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 11, 2012, 04:14:19 pm
Good thing they are only going to blow up the pyramids, not replace them by Comic Sans or worse :uhoh:[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/puhleez.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 11, 2012, 04:34:56 pm
PYRAMID
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on July 11, 2012, 04:38:35 pm
The whole font gimmick/thing Navana's done could have been worse. He could have appended a gigantic second avatar to the left side of each of his posts, (http://sleepywood.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1683901) nothing screams "LOOK AT ME" more than that.
But I don't want to give anyone any ideas.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 11, 2012, 04:40:17 pm
Haha, wow. That forum is completely unreadable. :lugoi:[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/eh.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on July 11, 2012, 05:29:22 pm
Whats so wrong with comic sans anyway?
Speaking about fonts, some videogame fonts would be cool!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 11, 2012, 05:33:52 pm
why would you need that at all
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on July 11, 2012, 05:37:02 pm
i dont know
maybe for the first posts in threads of big games or game series like the big Resident Evil one
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 11, 2012, 05:37:20 pm
images
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on July 12, 2012, 04:54:59 pm
Spoiler: more about comic sans(click to see content)
Being purposefully ignorant of the negative implications to Graphic Design Theory (yes, part of a valid profession) is as bad as supporting Intelligent Design.
http://www.comicsanscriminal.com/
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 12, 2012, 05:05:01 pm
Why are we stilll going on about Comic Sans? ~
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 12, 2012, 05:05:32 pm
Being purposefully ignorant of the negative implications to Graphic Design Theory (yes, part of a valid profession) is as bad as supporting Intelligent Design.
that's not what I get from that link you posted, at all. and no, it's not.[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/nosir.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on July 12, 2012, 05:08:52 pm
I TOLD YOU MAN
I TOLD YOU ABOUT COMIC SANS
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 12, 2012, 05:09:06 pm
that's an exagerated reaction.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 12, 2012, 05:11:25 pm
i dont really care anymore, i put navana on ignore
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 12, 2012, 05:13:05 pm
Being purposefully ignorant of the negative implications to Graphic Design Theory (yes, part of a valid profession) is as bad as supporting Intelligent Design.
that's not what I get from that link you posted, at all. and no, it's not.
Quoted for the truth.
What the fudge. Insult to humanity? Comparable to intelligent design? No. Just no.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on July 12, 2012, 08:22:15 pm
its a shitty font which speaks volumes about someones character and intelligence
the end
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on July 12, 2012, 08:24:17 pm
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos on July 12, 2012, 08:44:12 pm
Of all the things you could be bitching about, you choose a font. A minor, insignificant, unimportant detail. Not even a visually intrusive or eye rape font either. Holy shit, what is wrong with you all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on July 12, 2012, 08:45:09 pm
Font in correlation with intelligence? KOD is obviously trolling!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 12, 2012, 10:11:29 pm
That would be the most sinister thing I'd ever see you do if it was done.
Cyanide is awakening to the dark side, next thing you know, he will be raping tifa.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on July 13, 2012, 10:48:27 am
(http://i.imgur.com/ixVNG.gif)
as a fan of typography this discussion affects me a great deal :( (stop derailing, you idiots. jeepers)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Chasenuva1 on July 18, 2012, 02:41:42 am
I have been instructed as follows:
"Since MUGEN Infantry is down, that forum is the only place I can think of to get feedback on Scarlet.
Tell them this:
"Luigi1632 is asking for his account ban to be lifted, so he can release his characters. He says this is the only decent place he can think of to get decent feedback, since MUGEN Infantry is down.""
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on July 18, 2012, 02:54:24 am
Or if you'd like to admit your Luigi1632, that'd be fine too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 18, 2012, 05:50:49 am
There's way too much negative stigmata from how he was in 2009. Bringing him back would be like sending a wounded, bleeding seal into a pool of starving sharks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 18, 2012, 06:34:58 am
That is a fantastic analogy. lol
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Chasenuva1 on July 18, 2012, 06:55:22 am
I am not him, but other than linking you to a different forum, I have no idea how to prove it.
From Luigi: "simply reply with this: "Luigi says he doesn't care, since he only cares about releasing Scarlet himself, without having other people,because he feels like it's a burden to them.""
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on July 18, 2012, 10:25:00 am
He already got his character announced by someone else on the forum, and didn't get much feedback either way, so lifting his ban won't change anything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Djoulz on July 18, 2012, 12:00:52 pm
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From Luigi: "simply reply with this: "Luigi says he doesn't care, since he only cares about releasing Scarlet himself, without having other people,because he feels like it's a burden to them.""
how can you quote him, telling you to quote him, while HE's quoting himself using the third person o_O that is awesome
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on July 18, 2012, 12:07:31 pm
^Lmao. Great observation.
And there's no reason to lie. If you want to make a alternate account to plead for another chance, that's okay to any extent, but don't lie about it. Lying about it is ignominious and certainly not the way to be readmitted.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on July 18, 2012, 12:15:36 pm
Question. What's so bad about him that a second chance isn't even considered by most users?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 18, 2012, 12:46:58 pm
Indeed, I don't even recall he exists, apart from other users saying how shitty he is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on July 18, 2012, 12:53:04 pm
To be honest, I don't know what he did either. Usually when I don't know why a person was banned forever, that person was banned by Titiln.
But he said he had autism and that that was an excuse for him to be a shitty poster. He literally made a post that said that. He claims nobody loves him and that's he's an antisocial psychopath who doesn't need attention from anyone, especially girls.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Djoulz on July 18, 2012, 12:57:24 pm
since when is autism an acceptable excuse for a shitty forum post anyway? what's next: "your post sucked" "hey sorry i'm french"?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on July 18, 2012, 12:59:14 pm
He also released a character before but did a poor work with him, for the whole reason of getting views in his website, which lead to his website being censored. So whoever bothered to give him feedback wasted his time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Veanko on July 18, 2012, 01:48:26 pm
But he said he had autism and that that was an excuse for him to be a shitty poster. He literally made a post that said that. He claims nobody loves him and that's he's an antisocial psychopath who doesn't need attention from anyone, especially girls.
what kind of fucking excuse is that? i have autism(though its kind of mild) and i don't act like a complete shithead.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on July 18, 2012, 01:58:09 pm
Can he even prove that he has autism? For all we know, he could be lying as an excuse for his bad posting.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 【RTC】MelvanaInChains on July 18, 2012, 02:05:56 pm
But he said he had autism and that that was an excuse for him to be a shitty poster. He literally made a post that said that. He claims nobody loves him and that's he's an antisocial psychopath who doesn't need attention from anyone, especially girls.
what kind of fucking excuse is that? i have autism(though its kind of mild) and i don't act like a complete shithead.
Veanko you behave like a normal person. There have been people that act like anti social douche nozzles while claiming to have aspergers or autism and how that justifies their behaviour . One even went as far as telling me that a forum post made him cry and that we needed to act upon it. People that far off arent usually apt to post in public forums, and its not the staff job to babysit people with mental problems. I dont care if someone is actually a vampire, or if they are married to inuyasha, or if they have a deep believe in odin that prevents them from posting like a normal person and forces them to persecute others, they are not welcome.About
Drewsky got banned over repeated instances, but if there are enough people thinking he deserves another chance we could give him another go, suggestions, ask Dshiznet about him nowadays, since dshiz was dealing with him a lot in MI.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Chasenuva1 on July 18, 2012, 02:22:52 pm
From Luigi: "simply reply with this: "Luigi says he doesn't care, since he only cares about releasing Scarlet himself, without having other people,because he feels like it's a burden to them.""
how can you quote him, telling you to quote him, while HE's quoting himself using the third person o_O that is awesome
Exactly like this. --> http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z373/chasenuva1/Capture-21.png
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on July 18, 2012, 03:35:06 pm
He also released a character before but did a poor work with him, for the whole reason of getting views in his website, which lead to his website being censored. So whoever bothered to give him feedback wasted his time.
Wait wait wait... you're not talking about LucasX3(Dark) are you?
Can he even prove that he has autism? For all we know, he could be lying as an excuse for his bad posting.
IMO, that's kind of the stigma behind it. So many people have claimed autism as justification for their bad posting that autism has more or less become synonymous with bad posting, and any claim of such disabilities simply can't be taken as seriously as they should be. It's even become sort of an in-joke in certain places *cough4chancough*.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 18, 2012, 03:44:13 pm
"I'm not doing any ban evasion, and do not make shitty posts! The shitty posts made by a user who has the same IP as me come from my brother, who has autism! He wrote them, I'm innocent! True story."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 18, 2012, 04:08:21 pm
He's done some pretty....undesireable posting at MI, like IIRC he said he wasn't sad at all that his mom died or something. http://forum.mugen-infantry.net/index.php?topic=147801.msg1477860#msg1477860 Found it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 18, 2012, 04:20:13 pm
ugh... i wish i didn't read that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on July 18, 2012, 04:21:55 pm
"I'm not doing any ban evasion, and do not make shitty posts! The shitty posts made by a user who has the same IP as me come from my brother, who has autism! He wrote them, I'm innocent! True story."
Oh yeah, the brother excuse too. Forgot all about that one. Didn't Peter Foster try that one (and fail) already?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 18, 2012, 04:36:01 pm
I kinda feel bad for him now :([avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/crying.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 18, 2012, 04:57:20 pm
"I'm not doing any ban evasion, and do not make shitty posts! The shitty posts made by a user who has the same IP as me come from my brother, who has autism! He wrote them, I'm innocent! True story."
Oh yeah, the brother excuse too. Forgot all about that one. Didn't Peter Foster try that one (and fail) already?
What didn't he try?
Hell I still remember the originator of the brother story; MKREQUIEM/badmannomore back in 2008.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 18, 2012, 06:11:35 pm
I think everyone has tried it. Even I did it, but I actually used my brother.
No, seriously! Seriously, guys! Guys, c'mon!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on July 18, 2012, 06:15:06 pm
the longer you stay here the more blurred the distinction between shitposters are
(luigi does not deserve another chance. imo.)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on July 18, 2012, 07:59:57 pm
I don't see any harm in unbanning Luigi.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Veanko on July 18, 2012, 08:04:32 pm
i agree. the only reason Luigi was banned is because Mario keeps stealing the spotlight from him! Luigi only had a few games of his own(most of them being shit)while Mario has a bunch.
.....why was Luigi banned anyway?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 18, 2012, 08:06:37 pm
From what I remember, he was very emo, very drama bait, and he resorted to spamming releases with godawful creations and palettes to advertise his forum which was filtered.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on July 18, 2012, 08:08:06 pm
Hey did you guys ever notice that this thread is named "Feedback to Warnings.", and the "." gets shortened to "..." in the forum index? :blank:
He pretends to be a psychopath because he thinks it makes him cool, enigmatic, and unique. No need to feel sorry for him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on July 18, 2012, 09:43:40 pm
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I don't really care if I act stupid on the internet, in fact I don't even care that I'm a autistic hikkimori who does nothing but read books and work on MUGEN stuff, along with writing a novel about 9/11,Chernobyl and revival of the Axis(and the allies).
:stare::stare::stare::stare::stare:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on July 18, 2012, 09:48:50 pm
He's done some pretty....undesireable posting at MI, like IIRC he said he wasn't sad at all that his mom died or something. http://forum.mugen-infantry.net/index.php?topic=147801.msg1477860#msg1477860 Found it
Hmm can't believe I didn't see that before considering I followed the topic closely.
Hmm I want to use the whole "People change" excuse to support him but looking at his MI stuff, it doesn't seem like he's changed from the way you guys mention his past events, seems like he's become worse... =/
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on July 18, 2012, 09:53:42 pm
If he is worse then he'll be banned again.
Also, he seems to have been banned because he kept spamming his website, which I personally don't think requires a permaban.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on July 18, 2012, 09:57:16 pm
I say give him what he wants: feedback for his Scarlet char and nothing more, that doesn't mean he has to be unbanned. If he took that feedback or not shouldn't be important, you don't need to care about him since he's already banned and Chasenuva seems to be his representant instead Luigi with another account (as it seems in his pics, a typical anime forum out there)
I mean, do you want to revive all that shitty episode with him just for a character?? c'mon guys :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos on July 18, 2012, 09:59:41 pm
If questionable mental health was cause for banning then half the memberbase would be inactive, what with the way people like to play keyboard psychologist on the internet and all.
I don't see any harm in unbanning him. Besides he can always get banned again if he fucks up. I don't see why spamming his website was a big deal since members do it on here anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on July 18, 2012, 10:01:16 pm
I say give him what he wants: feedback for his Scarlet char and nothing more, that doesn't mean he has to be unbanned.
He's probably gonna get the same amount of feedback he got when he had someone else post his character. I'm not really concerned about that. I just think his ban should be reevaluated because it's been like 2 years, he was banned over something that didn't really require him to be permabanned, and he's asking to come back.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on July 18, 2012, 10:04:26 pm
Hmm the forum has given other chances to other users before...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on July 18, 2012, 10:07:40 pm
unban him, and ban all the people who still goes to MI. Fair trade.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on July 18, 2012, 10:09:02 pm
^
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 18, 2012, 10:14:10 pm
Goes to show that time heals all.
Im all for unbanning him for the time being.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on July 18, 2012, 10:17:26 pm
Now, the defense rises for the unbanning of Kung_Fu_Man.
*crickets*
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on July 18, 2012, 10:22:10 pm
he was kinda doing this hitler thing...[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/ohshutup.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 18, 2012, 11:16:52 pm
Did he try to ban all the Jews?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 18, 2012, 11:17:23 pm
you were here duo, look into your heart, you know the tale. its a tale as old as mugen.
Basically he was hitting on jmorphman and caddie got jealous.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on July 18, 2012, 11:18:07 pm
Ah that explains it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 18, 2012, 11:40:18 pm
Go to Encyclopedia Dramatica for Mugen, you'll see.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on July 18, 2012, 11:41:49 pm
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M.U.G.E.N. is the gaming phenomenon in which Marvel fanboys, Hentai lovers, and exiled Shoryuken posters attempt to put gaming companies out of business by ripping off their characters and using them to make their own fighting games.
.-.
dang the butthurt in this article is ridiculous...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on July 18, 2012, 11:44:33 pm
Ignore the article itself and just look at the quotes or screenshots of forum posts.
And be glad we're no longer in that dark era.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on July 18, 2012, 11:53:29 pm
Dinosaur creator... yeah, dark times :ninja:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on July 19, 2012, 12:13:12 am
So is Luigi unbanned or not, in the end?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on July 19, 2012, 12:18:22 am
No. He did it wrong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on July 19, 2012, 12:29:45 am
M.U.G.E.N. is the gaming phenomenon in which Marvel fanboys, Hentai lovers, and exiled Shoryuken posters attempt to put gaming companies out of business by ripping off their characters and using them to make their own fighting games.
.-.
dang the butthurt in this article is ridiculous...
I couldn't agree more. Who is responsible for this one?
Quote
Crazed catgirl fanboys getting pissy because their subject of obsession, like a Darkstalkers' Felicia or a Samurai Shodown's Cham Cham, is being degraded and violated through various means
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on July 19, 2012, 12:37:15 am
The MUGEN article on ED was (and probably still is) upkept by one single person. I think their name was EVIL or something.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on July 19, 2012, 12:39:38 am
It was obviously me. I have issues with the entire community.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on July 19, 2012, 12:43:54 am
This is why you don't get nice things GOH
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Chasenuva1 on July 19, 2012, 01:53:05 am
I don't really see why he wants me to post this.... but whatever. (http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z373/chasenuva1/Capture-23.png)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on July 19, 2012, 01:54:28 am
Back on the topic of Luigi/Saohc:
Whats the worst that could happen by unbanning him? If he fucks up, just ban him again, and things will be back to the way they are now. No difference. The fact he's asking to come back, maybe he's grown up and knows not to post the same kind of shit he has over at MI about his mother and stuff. As I said, if he does, just ban him again and nothing of value will be lost.
However, reviewing his recent posts on MI seems to indicate that he'll simply be banned again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on July 19, 2012, 01:57:57 am
Whats the worst that could happen by unbanning him? If he fucks up, just ban him again, and things will be back to the way they are now. No difference. The fact he's asking to come back, maybe he's grown up and knows not to post the same kind of shit he has over at MI about his mother and stuff. As I said, if he does, just ban him again and nothing of value will be lost.
However, reviewing his recent posts on MI seems to indicate that he'll simply be banned again.
the problem is with that logic, everyone could potentially be unbanned on the ground that "they could always be ban again at first signs of trouble": imagine the mods (and the rest of the community) having to deal with the likes of Vyx and other rejects like that, having to monitor them etc..., on a daily basis? a true nightmare
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on July 19, 2012, 02:24:20 am
Well, like I was saying, Luigi hasn't done anything bad on the level of vyx or KFM level.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Chasenuva1 on July 19, 2012, 02:32:41 am
"Luigi says that he strayed away from his original objective on MI, which was to just release Scarlet, because he felt like trying to seek revenge on Zeroz, like a dumbass. While it's true that he didn't care about his mother's death, partially it's because he knows she's in a better place and the other half relates a slight cynical nature. He eventually ignored Zeroz and the Random Insanity board altogether, to get back to the original goal:Release Scarlet and get feedback. He wants to be un-banned, even if it's just restricting permissions to only MUGEN-related boards and disallowing him access to posting in the off-topic boards."
@Luigi: Make your own account to argue this stuff. I'm not being your messenger anymore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on July 19, 2012, 02:58:08 am
He hasn't changed at all and the reason he wants to be unbanned is weak. Wargame already announces his characters here and Luigi making the threads himself won't gain him anymore feedback than he's already gotten.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 19, 2012, 04:39:35 am
this discussion about motherfucking luigi#### has gone on way longer than it should have
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on July 19, 2012, 06:47:46 am
He's not getting unbanned because:
1. He's still a bad person.
2. He's pretending to be someone else.
3. He's not apologizing, he's making excuses.
4. His excuse for wanting to be unbanned is really bad; nobody cares if he wants feedback.
It's too soon to do the opposite of the above and get unbanned (not that it's guaranteed). No unban for you! Come back -- one year!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on July 19, 2012, 04:40:13 pm
The MUGEN article on ED was (and probably still is) upkept by one single person. I think their name was EVIL or something.
It is. He goes by PUNGIEPUNGIEPUNGIEPUNGIE now IIRC.
He had a penchant for stalking me and adding me to the article too.
but enough about that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 21, 2012, 09:29:27 pm
jmorphman fyi whenever iced does some stupid thing to someone else's profile i yell at him about it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 26, 2012, 02:57:15 pm
Rajaa said:
And posting the dude's address? Are we supposed to build a task force and debouch to arrest Hombrewking?
Of course. It's the moderators' duty to act as the Mugenguild Internet Police and go arrest all the people selling Mugen stuff out there. You should also hire people who'll act as the "Mugenguild quality control task", who'll send to jail anybody releasing bad quality Mugen content.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 21, 2012, 11:19:27 am
http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/goku6-79618
I suggest that you send him a PM to tell him to stop spamming questions without trying. Since I guess this was done already, I suggest a week ban each time he asks a question about his stupid hitsparks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on August 21, 2012, 11:32:21 am
Holy shit @ the amount of "I suggest that you should read up on those Mugen docs." quotes.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on August 22, 2012, 01:05:09 pm
Even if he's banned from the Config and Development MUGEN section, he most likely will start spamming in other sections such as MUGEN Discussion, or start spamming to other people questions, seeing as how he behaved in the past.
Really, if you don't want to ban him for a year so he grows up, you could limit his posts, or make his posts invisible to everyone else. Isn't it possible for Val to make this available?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on August 22, 2012, 10:14:31 pm
No. We can only lock him from the section. Putting a "limit per day" on him which is also possible won't achieve anything because he rarely posts more than once a day. Forced timeouts have done nothing and nothing he's doing warrants a perma ban.
The solution is that the REST of you stop replying to him at all. Then i can mark his topics solved and let them die the way they should.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 23, 2012, 04:23:48 pm
Dunno where to ask this. Did Vans delete his account from MFG or something ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on August 23, 2012, 04:29:32 pm
Apparently so. He did leave his posts though (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/adv-math-help-some-linear-algebra-problems-139725.msg1538575.html).[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/perplex.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 23, 2012, 04:31:19 pm
Yeah, I saw that. It's the lack of stars and admin status that hit me, and I searched the staff section to see if a he left a message to say "bye" or something, but didn't find one. Oh well ...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 23, 2012, 04:41:38 pm
Why the fuck would he delete himself. I know he was really busy, we all knew that, but why deleting himself when he himself knew that was usually frowned upon? If he just wanted to leave he could have just cleaned up his profile and demoded himself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 23, 2012, 04:42:48 pm
Looks like his site is gone too. He had some good stuff I was wanting to read ;_;
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on August 23, 2012, 04:48:19 pm
Looks like his site is gone too. He had some good stuff I was wanting to read ;_;
Me too, I was actually going to read his tutorials in his website as I only read it once when I am in busy state, now I had a little time and want to try out some of his good kof velocity extraction stuff there. If he aren't coming back, then I will go back to learn the kof velocity tutorial from Sander 71113 and [E]dgar's website
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on August 24, 2012, 01:59:27 pm
Vans is now a legend
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 24, 2012, 11:11:15 pm
I'm not playing cute because that's not at all how it sounded, unless you're taking crazy pills I guess. Which maybe you are, but I'm not gonna leap to unfounded assumptions! I was just using a metaphor: Vans is like a farmer who produced many wonderful crops (MUGEN characters), but then, for some unknown reason, decided to burn all those crops and prevent anyone from using his field (his website with all the guides). It's very upsetting and nobody knows what's going on and we're all worried about Vans and stuff. Don't be a dick and try and start shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 25, 2012, 02:10:15 am
The posts still exist and it's not like he broke into all the computers on the Internet to delete all copies of his creations. You don't start shit to prove I twist your words.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MaxBeta on August 25, 2012, 02:11:08 am
^ I'm sorry guys but I have to agree with Jmorph on all that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 25, 2012, 02:11:16 am
The posts still exist and it's not like he broke into all the computers on the Internet to delete all copies of his creations. You don't start shit.
omg shut the fuck up and leave now. this is the most inane shit ever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MaxBeta on August 25, 2012, 02:11:55 am
^ Ditto.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on August 25, 2012, 02:23:29 am
I restored the account because normal members can't delete their accounts either since that kinda thing greatly reduces data consistency and searchability.
As far as we know, he didn't leave in a huff, to me it looks like he wrapped up his stuff and left. That kinda sucks for us because we lost a bro, but we shouldn't be selfish about it, it's his right to take down his downloads and stuff. If he has real life matters to sort out, reducing his online presence sounds like a reasonable first step to me.[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/sadsit.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 25, 2012, 02:33:16 am
Thank you Val. Carry on.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 25, 2012, 03:12:59 am
It is pretty selfish to remove his tutorials as those had less likely hood of being downloaded/archived.
Whatever he's doing IRL he could have at the least given the tutorials and blogs to someone so they could stay online.
And yes, THANKS VAL! :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 25, 2012, 05:21:34 am
Apparently he has implied it in the past but none of us figured he was just going to outright quit with no warning and do this. Not even Trinity.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Vans on August 27, 2012, 02:55:34 am
I didn't expect my account to be resurrected like this...
These past few weeks have been incredibly difficult for me, I snapped and deleted everything. Account lost or not, it was a decision I had thought of many times and had no regrets.
Very few people actually know the type of lifestyle that I'm living right now. I study 14 hours a day, 5 days a week. Have tests that last for as long as 6 hours during my weekends, and I'm shoving in practicing fighting games, learning a new language and whatever's left of my hobby time in. Every single day of my semester is both physically and emotionally tiring for me.
The type of environment I'm studying in is one of the most taxing I've ever had to work in. I try my best, I study every single day almost every chance I get but it's a place where failing changes the perception other people have of you. If you fail too much your opinion starts to become worthless, you become isolated until you can "step your game up", people just stop taking you seriously if you lag behind. School has not been kind to me lately, and I sometimes wonder if I even have the talent for it. Keeping up with people that are already professionals is really damn hard for me, and the feeling of having a worthless opinion only makes it worse for me every single day that passes.
In my home I have the peer pressure of doing everything right. I used to be scolded very harshly if I got anything short of a perfect grade. I have some conflicting views regarding my future and what I plan to do with my life after college, and the closer I get to my goal the more stressed I become as I feel like doing what I want to do will upset my family.
I'm a person that feels an incredible amount of shame and sadness with failure. This is how I feel regarding my MUGEN work.
I had two dreams when I started programming for MUGEN:
1. Coding a KOF character good enough to be used in KOF Zillion. 2. Finishing a complete game. The reason I coded 1 thing of everything was so I had enough experience.
And a recent one:
3. To help new coders through the many difficulties I had when I was first coding.
During this time I feel like I couldn't complete any of these things. And not only this, I also feel like I have failed at being a good member of this community.
I've read and discussed many different points of view about MUGEN. I was staff in 3 almost radically different places at once (Here, Mugenguild, TrinityMUGEN and Randomselect) and have had the opportunity to understand situations from these 3 sides at once. It has been very difficult for me keeping up with everyone and everything at once, especially when there's conflict between any of those 3.
I've been worried and sad for this community because I sometimes feel like there's unbreakable walls separating very passionate people from working with each other. It breaks my heart and is really hard on me when I feel like I'm the only one that can see the situation from both sides. This has been a difficult position for me for a very long time, and sometimes feel incredibly impotent by not being able to help this situation.
Abandoning my admin/moderator duties has only made it worse for me as I feel like I'm slacking off. It might not look like it, but I do worry, and I do check things from time to time, and I feel incredibly guilty for making the staff look bad in all sides by not being active.
I deleted my things because I felt like a failure. I can never shake the feeling of my work being completely worthless in many fronts, I don't even know what kind of work I'm demanding from myself anymore but I may have set absolutely impossible standards for myself.
I honestly don't even know what type of footing I'm on right now. I rarely received comments about my articles when I wrote them, and I had the feeling they weren't that useful, so I got rid of those as well.
I feel like something hit me and finally made me broken as a person. I don't really want to argue anymore, I just wanted to leave quietly and be done with everything. I'm not in a position where I want to discuss the morality of me taking down my own work, if I have to be banned or whatever due to my actions that's okay as well, I don't mind.
If this account has to be kept alive as well that's okay, I'm sorry for deleting it. I'm sorry.
I put my articles back and I will try to reupload my work if I have the time.
I'm sorry for everything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hurricane2s on August 27, 2012, 04:49:12 am
Hope stuff gets better for you, best of luck.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 27, 2012, 06:02:23 am
I forgive you, Vans. I hope everything works out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vgma2 on August 27, 2012, 06:14:29 am
Real life is indeed quite stressful at times. I wish you luck in your future endeavors.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on August 27, 2012, 06:24:26 am
Nobody will ever think less of anyone for taking their real life commitments seriously. Or leaving behind this little hobby for said commitments. Your desire to leave is perfectly understandable and nobody will think less of you for it. You have made one hell of a difference in one corner of the community and that's KoF. You've taken it further than sander did and even if people enjoy other characters more they'll hold yours up as the example.
In an interesting thing, once Val re-upped your account, one of the first responses was in one of your tutorial threads asking where the stuff had gone. You have made a difference. But the way the community works very very rarely will you see that difference or even realise you're making it. This has no effect on your decision to take time off/leave but try to remember that when you're feeling shitty about your time here. You personally made a difference, even if you never noticed it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on August 27, 2012, 06:43:50 am
well said Cyanide
and Vans, things always get better :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 27, 2012, 09:08:03 am
Don't think of yourself badly or as a failure Vans. Setting high standards is something very good and I wish more people would have in today's life, but setting a goal and trying to reach it shouldn't make you feel bad about yourself if the goal you set is impossible to reach. Try your best, and see what comes out of it.
Very few people actually know the type of lifestyle that I'm living right now. I study 14 hours a day, 5 days a week. Have tests that last for as long as 6 hours during my weekends, and I'm shoving in practicing fighting games, learning a new language and whatever's left of my hobby time in. Every single day of my semester is both physically and emotionally tiring for me.
The type of environment I'm studying in is one of the most taxing I've ever had to work in. I try my best, I study every single day almost every chance I get but it's a place where failing changes the perception other people have of you. If you fail too much your opinion starts to become worthless, you become isolated until you can "step your game up", people just stop taking you seriously if you lag behind. School has not been kind to me lately, and I sometimes wonder if I even have the talent for it. Keeping up with people that are already professionals is really damn hard for me, and the feeling of having a worthless opinion only makes it worse for me every single day that passes.
I get your feelings with this, since I had more or less the same life for 3 years. I always was 1st or 2nd of my class up to Baccalaureate, with average grades of 19/20 in Maths and Physics, without ever studying. And from one day to the other, in preparatory classes for Engineering schools, my grades fell down to 6/20 when working 4 hours minimum per evening after a 8/10 hours class day.
This can break your moral at first and you can think of yourself quite badly. "I'm a shitty person, I don't have the level or necessary knowledge, damn I have no future". It also doesn't help when you have some teachers telling you how bad you are, and asking you if you're studying instead of playing cards (even though you went to bed a 1am to study his freaking lesson).
But from this, you have to take the positive output. - You can compare your level to other brilliant students (because never forget that : if you reached this point, it's because you are brilliant, in this field at least). - You probably have some strong friends you can count on in difficult moments. Rely on them, they're here for you if you need them. - This will make you stronger. The pressure you have now and the way they make you strive for perfection and work hard is a very good way to strengthen your soul and will. You learn how to work fast, well and efficiently. You learn how to think instead of applying stupidly some cooking recipes. And you're strong enough to fight the difficulties of life. What others consider difficult you'll think of as easy after studying in this school.
Anyway, good luck with all your endeavours, study hard, but don't put too much weight on your back. Do your best and push your limits, but never to the point of feeling bad about yourself. You've made a difference, in Mugen or not. Really. So don't be ashamed of yourself. ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on August 27, 2012, 03:57:57 pm
Vans, you don't owe anyone anything, especially concerning a hobby. Take it easy.
That's the best advice I can give, take it easy. It's not the end of the world.
If your studies are getting too stressful then take a break, you can always try again. I failed a year of school because I was studying shit I had no interest in and it stressed the hell out of me. So I just said fuck it and failed it to get myself a 1 year break. I feel refreshed and more determined than before to pass this time to get on with my life. Did I give a fuck what anyone else thought of me? Hell no. I only cared about myself and you should too.
We're always here for you, good luck man.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: tehdevil on August 27, 2012, 05:39:23 pm
I honestly don't even know what type of footing I'm on right now. I rarely received comments about my articles when I wrote them, and I had the feeling they weren't that useful, so I got rid of those as well.
What a bad timing for me, actually I was very busy this year and have no time to read your tutorials daily which I plan to :P. I actually read your article once, about the art money tutorial and find it interesting but a pity that I am very busy this year and have no time to learn so I plan to read and learn it after my exams are finished in end of this year, never know that you will remove them :'( but it is alright, doesn't matter, career comes first before Mugen :) you are already one of the best people that I encounter for Mugen as you put in effort in your creations, tutorials etc and even help me with that troublesome Real Bout Fatal Fury 2's Yamazaki's Level 4 Drill, I haven't forget that ;) all the best in your studies, glad to see you replying your reason of sudden deletion :)
Edit: I went to your site and your tutorials are back again :D thanks a lots man will appreciate it :) I better go save them in my drive before it is gone again :laugh4:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on August 27, 2012, 07:02:34 pm
Hey, life happens Vans. Nobody is going to think less of you (especially here) because your putting your life ahead of MUGEN.
Handle your business, and hopefully you start feeling better.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 27, 2012, 10:51:22 pm
Life can be a bundle of work, it can take you out for a big spin and drive you mad for hours as you try to do whatever you feel is the right thing to do. And yeah shit can get hard. We might need to put our hobbies aside, or focus more on this or that, and even then things might fuck up, because things fuck up. There are plenty of people here that when things got tougher in real life had to take time for their own shit, and thats alright.
Now, a failure? Thats the biggest load of shit. Anyone that even hints that someone else should delete their presence and remain deleted because they are a failure are the biggest jerks ever. You are not a failure, look around you,everyone was worried about you, and how you even deleted yourself. I know you had been having troubles with school, we talked a while about it, and I even suggested taking time off, and thats okay, you should focus on fixing your stuff, but dont think that throwing away all your hobbies will somehow make you better, human beings cant live only out of working. You do your stuff man, whenever you want , there will be people around. You know that we support you. Dont let depression win you over.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Djoulz on August 31, 2012, 03:47:45 am
Vans, you don't owe anyone anything, especially concerning a hobby. Take it easy.
this!
in the end, it's YOUR life, your decisions and nobody else should pressure you to succeed, but you!
as far as mugen goes: you are, always were and will remain a true inspiration, someone who has set the quality bar SO high when it comes to creating & someone who has left an unforgettable trace in the community.
take it easy & good luck
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on August 31, 2012, 04:16:51 am
Wow, I never thought this would happen. I even put out a request for Krizalid's sprites so Vans could work on the character, but I'm not so sure I want him to have to deal with that. Really, Vans. You made a difference and people were worried. I myself freaked when I saw your downloads were gone. Just remember that this is indeed a hobby. I'm not trying to pressure you or anything, but is it at all possible for you to put your stuff back on Trinitymugen? If not, I could host your characters that I have on my Mediafire so people can still get their hands on them. They are great characters and deserve to be used. Best o' luck to ya, Vans!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 31, 2012, 04:39:24 am
He put his stuff back. And thank you for doing so. What you shared is very valuable to the rest of us in this community. You made a huge difference here to many people and I personally am very fortunate you made the tutorials and artmoney tables that you made! They are being most helpful!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on August 31, 2012, 04:53:46 am
Are you referring to his stuff on Trinitymugen? Because it's not popping up for me. Well, if nothing comes up within the next week I'll probably host some of his stuff. Can't let it go to waste, hm?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 31, 2012, 08:55:47 am
GBK stuff ... blablabla ... including this :
Quote
I reread the whole thing and i dont get what he was trying to do. I said several times what I meant by that, he kept claiming to not understand it even when others explained, and then went on posting. People called his attention again and he started going "cry more". What was even the point?
I give up.
So, even though we have GBK being a blatant asshole here, not following admin/Mods instructions, playing martyr and dumb at the same time, etc. I still think 6 months is a bit harsh in this case. Two or three months seems more reasonable IMHO. Heh, I'm not staff, so it's not my decision. Just wanted to say the ban seems disproportionated compared to what he did.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 31, 2012, 11:37:16 am
Are you referring to his stuff on Trinitymugen? Because it's not popping up for me. Well, if nothing comes up within the next week I'll probably host some of his stuff. Can't let it go to waste, hm?
I didn't check to see if his characters were back. But this is back. http://www.vans.trinitymugen.net/
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on August 31, 2012, 12:05:53 pm
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 31, 2012, 03:45:00 pm
yah, punishment has to be increased because he keeps on pulling the same stunts all the time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 31, 2012, 04:21:58 pm
If this was the case Iced should've known that a "soft ban" like that wasn't going to work
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 31, 2012, 04:24:11 pm
the softban was not the reason of the big ban, the soft ban was just a measure to get him to calm down, but instead of calming down he decided to do his martyr routine which lead to bancalibur being unleashed on him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on September 01, 2012, 12:06:51 am
When you have someone already with a vendetta against you it's not the best idea to say "Please don't post here."
Iced you know better.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on September 01, 2012, 12:09:37 am
So, even though we have GBK being a blatant asshole here, not following admin/Mods instructions, playing martyr and dumb at the same time, etc. I still think 6 months is a bit harsh in this case. Two or three months seems more reasonable IMHO. Heh, I'm not staff, so it's not my decision. Just wanted to say the ban seems disproportionated compared to what he did.
I can help you better in this case. I post regularily in Cosplay thread in Off-Topic (also I'm cosplayer if some of you didn't know) and GBK is known for being those guys who only posted pro cosplays only, and when a pic isn't in his "standards" he mocks and don't give importance to them, not to mention he has a strange fetish with Poison cosplayers. I mean, I like Poison but I don't post everytime I get a Poison cosplay there
Iced was one of the posters there who dislike that soberv attitude GBK has in the thread and that's the reason why he was banned many times from the forum, like 2-3 months, and until this day he shouldn't learn anything since passed a few time after that he get back with his attitude. Something like Da_Maverick and MC2 did before in the forum, but in a little scale. So I'm with Iced and I support that 6-month ban, and I say it could be even for more time, since the guy just don't learn and even get as a victim/martyr everytime before and after his ban
In my personal case, I'm cosplayer as I said before and I usually show my last cosplays in that thread, but GBK just ignore it and post other cosplay pics to get his point, many of them are more Photoshop than cosplay (remember that 3D-like images??), that's the reason I didn't post for a time until I get back recently. If I was a mod/admin, probably I should ban him, too
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 03, 2012, 10:50:22 pm
heh, i remember posting an actual 3d render of chunli in that topic, there was a lot if damage controls/tests done in that thread that only people who actualyl posted there knew were happening, like when GBK continued sniping the thread by posting "his" cosplay pictures right after someone else psoted something, some people started counter sniping him by waiting until gbk posted so they could post feedback on non gbk cosplay adn push gbk's behind.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on September 03, 2012, 11:41:42 pm
Okay, gotcha guys. I agree I'm not following the cosplay topic so much, so I was not aware of everything happening in there apart from GBK posting photoshopped cosplayers every single day.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on September 04, 2012, 01:16:28 am
@Cybaster: completely unrelated but i think you should update your quote signatures because the color doesn't match the forum layout anymore
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on September 15, 2012, 12:42:23 pm
Have you checked if LordryuTJ is actually Wild Tengu in an alternative account? I mean, they both seem to have the same fetish. But one with ponies and the other with humans.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on September 15, 2012, 01:49:27 pm
He is not Wild Tengu.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on September 15, 2012, 04:02:39 pm
was that guy still active or just suddenly decided to post fat ponies?.... OH CELESTIA! PLEASE KEEP HIM AWAY FROM THE PONY THREAD!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on September 15, 2012, 04:23:13 pm
his posting is outrageous and i believe we should preemptively ban all pony likers to prevent something like this happening again
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on September 15, 2012, 05:39:29 pm
i think we should forbid people from discussing things they like to prevent any more disturbances [avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/other/nofun.jpg[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on September 15, 2012, 06:55:50 pm
I hope everybody hates Mugen here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on September 15, 2012, 11:38:21 pm
Have you checked if LordryuTJ is actually Wild Tengu in an alternative account? I mean, they both seem to have the same fetish. But one with ponies and the other with humans.
Tengu is smarter and far more subtle than that (and Tengu is as subtle as a sack of hammers).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mgbenz on October 05, 2012, 01:42:43 pm
So apparently trolling is acceptable in the forum because it's not against the specifically written rules?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on October 05, 2012, 01:47:21 pm
The problem is that the rules are not specific. They're very vague when it comes to empty posts and such.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on October 05, 2012, 02:20:40 pm
I guess it's not in the rules because it's expected to be common sense. But the problem is that people want to know why they get banned if they're not breaking rules, and they don't want to admit that not trolling is common sense. Maybe a rule that only says "respect common sense" would be enough.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on October 05, 2012, 02:27:07 pm
Most newcomers aren't aware of forum etiquette so I think it's best if it's explained thoroughly like for eg:
- Don't post for the sake of posting only. Take a few seconds to think if your post contributes to the thread in question. Forum posting has a different theme, it's not like posting in a chat discussion and such.
Something like that, similar to the necrobump rules I guess, basically explaining that they should reflect on what they are posting before they do it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 05, 2012, 02:50:38 pm
@Cyanide: this are teh rules iced was talking about in the warnings thread:
i'm going to add more rules since people are complaining that some "obvious" things are not so obvious
- Do not make secondary accounts - Do not try to circumvent your bans - The report button is for reports. Do not use it for anything else. - Do not get account names with offensive names (i.e. Nigger Faggot Fucker or LATINO COCK CUMS IN MY VAGINA) - If you're a bot your account will be deleted. - Do not use giant font sizes for all of your posts. Use giant font size wisely. - Do not claim to not care about celebrity death. Or death in general. This is rude. - Do not call people shitheads. - Do not ignore points mid-discussion - Do not make the same thread several times - Do not post with missing vowels. - Do not use this forum as a chatroom. If you want quick direct communication with another user use MSN or AIM or some other messaging service. - Do not post with numbers instead of letters. - Posts in all caps might be deleted depending on several factors, such as post length, the poster/post being funny or not and the moderator that noticed the post. Staff works under the assumption that something funny "makes you laugh or chuckle a bit". - Racism will not be tolerated unless it's funny - Do not make threads of bullet points of suggestions enormously large where all the suggestions are really obvious stuff, you are not a developer, development doesn't work that way. - Do not reply to threads without reading the whole posts before that one, in case you do post without reading, include a line stating the same. - Do not post a lot of images that are unrelated to the thread. Your post will be deleted unless the images are funny. They usually are not. - Moderators shall use context and relevance on decision of necrobumps permanence, if a thread has under five posts , it might be allowed even with few content, if it has more than five, then the necrobump will only be allowed in case the person is the original op. - Homophobic behavior will not be tolerated unless it comes from gay people. - Do not be an asshole, definition of asshole inclludes questioning someone sexuality, posting their face on porn pictures, reply to threads where you have no actual interest to publicize your own endeavours, post torrents, question the taste in music of the other persons, question the taste in games of the other person, questioning the superiority of the American race. - Posts about Mortal Kombat will be ridiculed. - Nazi symbolism should be avoided. Unless it's really funny. KKK symbolism is always allowed. - Drug addicts should refrain from mentioning their drugs unless they brought enough for everyone. - Do not post pictures of your penis. - Do not post pictures of your vaginahahaha there are no girls here anyway - Do not talk about bad anime (definition of bad anime in addendum section 42-1) - Do not troll other users unless you use sophisticated humor, have attention to detail and use no more than thirty percent sarcasm.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 08, 2012, 01:01:30 am
Since holocaust related threads are banned there I suggest we bring back the idea of baning any other religion bashing threads.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 08, 2012, 01:02:05 am
I suggest banning E from making trolling posts.
If you cant see the difference between holocaust denying threads and other "race x is inferior to race y" threads to other themes, then you have a problem related to the ones I was talking about in said thread. Do you not see anything wrong with those themes?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos on October 08, 2012, 01:03:59 am
I do question why it was dumped though. What makes holocaust threads any worse than the other things discussed in that forum? We've had religion threads, political threads, threads calling users out for stuff they did in their personal life, threads about suicide and drugs, what makes this one so special? You don't want a racist flame war? When has that ever mattered before?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bea on October 08, 2012, 01:20:13 am
Well, several million people died at the holocaust and there is extensive documentation in forms of files, videos, pictures about that. It was extremely ugly, shocking, disgusting. Denying it's existence is not only dumb, as there is proof that it happened, but also very offending. Among Guild user base it is quite likely that there are people whose families suffered through it, or worse, people whose families took part on it.
Such kind of threads are only for baiting people and spread angry feelings among the user base. Nothing productive would EVER come out of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 08, 2012, 01:30:40 am
MC. None of those is as important as people doing racially charged threads, holocaust denying is one of said themes, in the same way that I have banned people claiming support for nazism before. And have banned homophobes. That thread was just bait.
Comparing holocaust denying to any thread that involves religion as a theme is balls to the wall retarded. E isnt completely idiotic, so he knows this and is doing this because he is a bored person that wants to amuse himself with those he considers dumber than him or something. Asking me to justify why holocaust denying is wrong is ridiculous, but if you really need it, sure i will give it a go.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on October 08, 2012, 01:32:45 am
Since holocaust related threads are banned there I suggest we bring back the idea of baning any other religion bashing threads.
What religion bashing threads?
If you think there have been any religion bashing threads, grow the fuck up. There is way way way worse things people say about religion on the internet.
Be an adult and get a thicker skin, Jesus Christ. And if someone does make one solely dedicated to calling us religious guys idiots, the staff would delete it too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on October 08, 2012, 01:42:22 am
Since holocaust related threads are banned there I suggest we bring back the idea of baning any other religion bashing threads.
What religion bashing threads?
If you think there have been any religion bashing threads, grow the fuck up. There is way way way worse things people say about religion on the internet.
Be an adult and get a thicker skin, Jesus Christ. And if someone does make one solely dedicated to calling us religious guys idiots, the staff would delete it too.
It's not a matter of being offended, it's a matter of double standards of acceptability. Why should it be okay to talk shit on Christians or Athiests but not to make a topic about the possibility of the holocaust being fabricated? They're both "hostile" so what's the problem?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on October 08, 2012, 01:57:30 am
I did watch the video, and it doesn't deny the holocaust, the mass murder of Jews, Gipsies, homosexuals and mentally disabled. It only says the facilities were ridiculously unequipped for the task described. Now, sure, the topic itself was extremely badly presented - it just barged in and claimed "hey, that thing didn't exist and you're all sheep for believing what the Government tells you. ... Oh yeah, to see why, watch this obscure hour-and-a-half video that was buried and rejected for a quarter of a century". Or in other words "I just found a new obscure video and I saw the light, now I must spread it to you ignorant sheep like I know better than everyone else". But I would see a topic discussing how exactly it happened, and if the descriptions that are in everyone's mind actually matches the reality of those particular facilities. I would see a topic presenting scientific evidence rather than only the commonly accepted bullet points of the holocaust (which I agree with). Why would I see a topic like that ? Because we've had far worse here. The video itself had heavy flaws of course, but it was actually interestingly presented - and it doesn't try to make you think the holocaust didn't happen, contrary to the topic it was posted in. I'd think a topic opposing this video to other proofs contradicting it would be perfectly legit. We do see very often topics about religion that turn to shit for sillier reasons than this, so I don't see the difference as long as it's handled the same way. Racist and negationist people can be dealt with the same way as people who insist that people who commit the slightest crime deserve death, or people who keep claiming to be the only enlightened person on the planet and everyone is blind.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on October 08, 2012, 02:05:50 am
Why should it be okay to talk shit on Christians or Athiests
Oh that's easy. Neither one is okay.
There has not been anything flagrantly offensive to either groups, on the level of creating a Holocaust denial thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on October 08, 2012, 02:11:47 am
But we have had threads that start out one way and wind up bashing either side. This thread started out with a ridiculous comment but it wasn't what it was actually about. As per Byakko's comment
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I did watch the video, and it doesn't deny the holocaust, the mass murder of Jews, Gipsies, homosexuals and mentally disabled. It only says the facilities were ridiculously unequipped for the task described.
Only the topic makes that claim and fails to back it up.
And to some extent this is what i've been arguing about. Titiln's list is far too tongue in cheek, but there were a couple of points in there we could stand to put in place without having to change how we do things around here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 08, 2012, 02:17:37 am
I dont disagree with you. A proper thread would be a proper thread, as it was it was just racist bait. Hence being, like i called it, holocaut denying thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos on October 08, 2012, 02:21:34 am
So you're saying it was Jean's wording and not the topic and video itself that started a problem? In that case why not just edit his post?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on October 08, 2012, 02:22:57 am
Wouldn't be much better, if someone wants to honestly discuss it they can repost it better. Editing people's post to make them look less obnoxious than they intended to be is not a habit around here, not changing the way people talk for the sake of keeping a subject of discussion.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on October 08, 2012, 02:27:01 am
I've already come up with an alternate title: "I just found this video that says the gas chambers didn't exist"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 02:31:17 am
well, iced could have told jean to edit his post or pm him.... then again aside for a few fail attemps of comedy by his part i don't really know the guy so i'm not sure if he is the type to make a thread as "hurr durr the holocaust didn't happen durr" causing iced to decide to remove th thread before it got worse
still, this could have been discussed with tehr est of teh staff before deleting the thread. but our evil emperor is not the kind to wait (and when he does peple get mad at him for not taking action fast enough)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 08, 2012, 02:37:51 am
So you're saying it was Jean's wording and not the topic and video itself that started a problem? In that case why not just edit his post?
You dont edit the racism out of people. You dont go around trying to take care of people so others dont ridicule them and make fun of them. But when what they post can only lead to racist bait? I would rather delete them than having axkeeper repeats. ( best case scenario, people ridicule him, worse case scenario racists reveal themselves) Im astonished that you cant tell the difference between a thread where people might get hurt feelings and someone making a thread denying the holocaust.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on October 08, 2012, 02:59:16 am
Having read said thread, doesn't come across like that at all. He leaves a lot of question marks in place and the whole thing has a questioning inflection. You'd get to the point where someone would have pointed out that the video says nothing of the sort (if what byakko says is accurate)
A comment stating expectations of the thread would have been first step i think. Deletion if racism kicked in.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on October 08, 2012, 03:03:35 am
Well, if it had been anyone other than Jean using the same words, it would have been on the limit and I myself wouldn't have seen it too badly. But it was Jean, and he has a history of making similar posts with a purpose. Essentially, he just straight out calls it a myth and names a random dude nobody knows as proof, expecting people to actually read that and watch this hour long video. Yeah, stopping here, that's bait. The "you decide what you want to believe" is ridiculous and doesn't actually let you decide anything, it's the kind of "you decide" that says "conspiracy theory".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on October 08, 2012, 03:36:27 am
That's true, i had kinda forgotten we'd seen something similar from him before. Still, you can get a productive thread out of a terrible first post.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 08, 2012, 05:20:30 am
You know, it would have been interesting to have a thread that talks about the holocaust, what with most of us being born after it all hapenned, several of us even living outside of europe/the usa and having no realtion to the holocaust at all, I did not even watch the video.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 05:25:35 am
but then people who had wouldn't have liked it and that would be bad [avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/avatars/suzuBIG.png[/avatar] instead let's have another "dumb christians/americans do dumb shit" thread
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on October 08, 2012, 05:29:08 am
well, i don't see you complaining when iced makes one
Because they're just about dumb individuals.
also I was joking
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 06:03:52 am
yeah, the way i see it iced just happened to find news about dumb people doing dumb shit who in their majority happen to be eitehr christians or americans
either way he got walt pretty upset about it :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 08, 2012, 06:04:47 am
Stop flattering yourself, I am gonig to fuck Edward not you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 06:55:20 am
that doesn't make me happy at all [avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/avatars/mioBIG3.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 08, 2012, 07:02:12 am
waru warui, love is not always about happinness
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 07:14:11 am
wha-whatever, j-just do what you want. [avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/avatars/tomokoBIG3.png[/avatar] i-i'm not go-gonna like it anyway
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on October 08, 2012, 07:21:18 am
OK you two, take your fake flirting (worst kind BTW) to PM's, this is supposed to be a serious thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 07:30:02 am
i still think deleting the thread should have been discussed with the staff before doing it. i mean, one of the good things about guild is that discussions don't get censored before they even start like other forums do.
then again, i don't know if jean is the kind of guy who makes troll-bait threads or something (well, accoring to what was mentioned above that seems to be the case)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on October 08, 2012, 07:34:23 am
then again, i don't know if jean is the kind of guy who makes troll-bait threads or something (well, accoring to what was mentioned above that seems to be the case)
I don't think he intends to. He's just ends up doing so.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on October 08, 2012, 07:38:43 am
I remember reading the thread before Iced got to it and thinking to myself: "Wow. What a horrible first post." I literally thought that.
And I agree with Byakko; since it's Jean and not someone else, and he has a history, etc.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 07:41:44 am
so about this masao guy:
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people like him feed on your attention, just ignore him and he'll die eventually
either peolpe are really that stupid to reply to such an obvious troll who is not here to do anything else besides being "hurr random durr" like otehrs before him (who follow the same pattern) or they just like to play along with them while pretending to be all mad
he is doing teh exact same thing at mi but since the forum is dead nobody pays attention to him and decided to move here. just ban him he is not going to change. but most likely he'll just return with an alternate account so in order to make him realy leave people need to stop giving him the kind of attention he wants (an easily gets) [avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/avatars/ikamusumeBIG12.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on October 08, 2012, 08:43:33 am
people like him feed on your attention, just ignore him and he'll die eventually
either peolpe are really that stupid to reply to such an obvious troll who is not here to do anything else besides being "hurr random durr" like otehrs before him (who follow the same pattern) or they just like to play along with them while pretending to be all mad
he is doing teh exact same thing at mi but since the forum is dead nobody pays attention to him and decided to move here. just ban him he is not going to change. but most likely he'll just return with an alternate account so in order to make him realy leave people need to stop giving him the kind of attention he wants (an easily gets)
Both. People are stupid enough to play along. Without realising they're really just doing what he wants. You're not making him look dumb you know, he only looks dumb if he gets no visible response to his "stupidity"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on October 08, 2012, 09:33:23 am
But hey, if you want to make ridiculously moronic statements about how much you hate America or whatever, make a thread in All That's Left so that people can rightly mock you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on October 08, 2012, 10:20:51 am
i really hope cy is joking with that. but I think he is. If not then theres a problem.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos on October 08, 2012, 10:45:41 am
I certainly hope he is, otherwise the irony of someone butchering the English language with the phrase "writing 3 times the same word" and calling other people dumb would be overwhelming. He's not that stupid.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on October 08, 2012, 11:01:10 am
If you want to mock Cybaster, please make a thread called "Feedback to feeback to warnings" or something, just stop derailing this thread!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 08, 2012, 11:19:44 am
Jean pmed me asking why I deleted the thread, I directed him to this one thread. He claims that it wasnt a holocaust denying thread and that I made some poor shortcuts in decisions.
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Iced, why did you delete my topic without letting people, not even believe, but just at least have a different perspective on the matter ?
(..)
What are you afraid of ?
I rather this be public. Jean you can read the explanation on the last posts.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on October 08, 2012, 01:25:39 pm
To get back on-topic (yes, I can). After reading the topic, I agree with Cyanide's 1st statement :
Having read said thread, doesn't come across like that at all. He leaves a lot of question marks in place and the whole thing has a questioning inflection.
About Jean : yes, he does make this kind of posts on purpose. He wants to shock to get attention. It's the way tabloids do their stuff. Is it always a good thing ? Certainly not. However, in this case, I don't think it was some sort of trolling. He wasn't questionning the existence of gas chambers, just linking to the video while asking questions.
So yes, the 1st post may have been badly worded. Yes, the subject at hand is disturbing and not the kind people like. Yes, Jean sort of has a history with "shocking topics". it doesn't mean this topic was a gas chamber denying one nor that it should have been deleted so fast.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on October 08, 2012, 01:47:33 pm
He wasn't questionning the existence of gas chambers
He kind of was.
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Gas chambers ... is a myth ? Robert Faurisson prooves it.
The rest of his "questions" are written in such a way that he might as well have said "History is lying to you, school is manipulating you, the truth is out there, let me enlighten you". Especially the "you decide what you want to believe" and "i just could not resist posting this" at the end which are the same as a rhetorical question after saying "this nobody proves it".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on October 08, 2012, 01:53:33 pm
Yeah, the problem may be that I am biased. I didn't watch the video, but the subject of the video is so absurd I read the part "Robert Faurisson prooves it" as some sort of ironic post. A bit like "1+1 = ... 3 ? A 5 year old proves it".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on October 08, 2012, 01:57:18 pm
Oh no, it's totally serious, and the fact that it's Jean posting it "proves" that this is what he meant. "I have proof ! But you decide what to believe." Oh really.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 08, 2012, 02:55:44 pm
i think that was a really fucking stupid thread but i would've at least let it up for a longer time until more people said "this thread is ridiculous" or whatever
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 08, 2012, 03:26:45 pm
or at least until pikachu-guy and c.a.n stat posting on it and ruin the thread for everyone
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on October 10, 2012, 05:51:29 pm
Masao was getting really annoying; I'm glad he is gone forever!
Thank you for your continued service!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: K.O.D on October 10, 2012, 05:58:02 pm
no problem
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on October 10, 2012, 05:59:01 pm
for continued service I'm gonna merge this into the feedback to warnings thread ;)[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/reg6.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on October 10, 2012, 06:07:36 pm
Masao was a horrible gimmick poster. Please don't take so long to take care of folks like that next time :sadgoi:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on October 10, 2012, 06:11:49 pm
Masao was a horrible gimmick poster. Please don't take so long to take care of folks like that next time :sadgoi:
Masao didn't take a long time. He lasted exactly as long as he should've; a low level shitposter and or troll who was given opportunities to prove he could improve and he failed to take advantage of those.
If he was spamming threads all over the place he'd have been gone much sooner, but he wasn't. If it really bothers you so much to see someone make a few posts everyday you should find someplace less stressful.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 10, 2012, 06:22:34 pm
orochi gill your self-righteous bullshit is getting really annoying
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on October 10, 2012, 06:46:03 pm
+1
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on October 10, 2012, 09:13:06 pm
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on October 14, 2012, 07:56:59 pm
By the way, I think someone is taking his place, I might be wrong though. Be careful. :nink:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on October 16, 2012, 02:06:43 pm
I don't merge my post this time. I would post this in Warnings or Decisions but since I'm not one of the staff, I'll post it here. I would have reported it but they're PMs.
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Go To http://zatchbell.wikia.com/wiki/Laila_and_Albert To Get 2 Moves With Albert And I Wrote Moonlight Kick In Special Crated And Download Tommorow.
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Okay G.O.D You Ready
Guess who he is, he is the same person. And he is requesting something to be made. To me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on October 16, 2012, 02:43:32 pm
There's a button in the PM, bottom left corner, nearly invisible, that serves to report the PM to the admins.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on October 16, 2012, 02:44:39 pm
Sorry about that, I'll do it now. Thanks for telling me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on October 16, 2012, 07:47:33 pm
This may sound rude but... does this guy have some sort of mental illness? by the way he types and the way he sounds on his video, lives in New York, thought he was a little kid but apparently he is 21 and is definitely not a foreigner, just wanna clarify if people with such conditions could be considered as trolls? I noticed the problem he has communicating with others or perhaps not able to explain something correctly, if this was the case, would it be unfair for this guy to be banned?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 16, 2012, 10:01:26 pm
He will be treated as any other kid that registers on the guild, if he starts spamming or whatever, people will have patience with him and explain him what is wrong with it once, but not repeatedly. Hes not getting banned over his mental issues, thats for sure
Ive banned people that were claiming to be crying over orochi gill not making characters for them and how mods should intervene. If someone isnt able to deal with others in a socially acceptable manner then their place is not interacting with others in a forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on October 20, 2012, 04:59:38 pm
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on October 20, 2012, 05:25:59 pm
It's not hard, you just have to keep poking at him, telling him just the right things so he actually replies (without sounding like you're provoking him yourself, but like you're the good guy), then he goes mad and starts throwing shit all over the place and you guys ban him. Pretty normal strategy :mmiley:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 20, 2012, 06:05:37 pm
Yeah, it's kinda boring that it still works, Dumbass.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on October 20, 2012, 07:03:30 pm
Good strategy! ;D
I told Shafty that no one will make something for him here that day I reported the PM, the result is that he stopped posting.
About PMs, which Admin do I have to report them to? All of the admins or only Iced?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on October 20, 2012, 07:53:59 pm
Since Iced is the admin that is more active in this forum, it's better you send it to him. You can also send it to GMods too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on October 20, 2012, 08:22:54 pm
It's not hard, you just have to keep poking at him, telling him just the right things so he actually replies (without sounding like you're provoking him yourself, but like you're the good guy), then he goes mad and starts throwing shit all over the place and you guys ban him. Pretty normal strategy :mmiley:
Or maybe we could try and help him become a productive member of the community by explaining what he is doing and why it's wrong. And if he doesn't listen, then ban him.
or I guess we could go with your way of acting like a douche to every newcomer
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on October 21, 2012, 12:49:32 am
Yeah, way to overreact, clearly I'm saying this should be done to everyone and not just complete assholes who have already displayed total disregard for all kind of open discussion and reasonable behavior. I'm also being very serious and not obviously joking. This is obviously "my way" even though I haven't had any interaction in several years with a newcomer that didn't know what he was doing (and even though I've never done that to begin with). Stop being an idiot. You're making shit up in your head about me for no reason other than you don't like me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on October 21, 2012, 01:01:14 am
First, fuck you, and second, don't take everything as an aggression.
;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on October 21, 2012, 01:16:01 am
Right, saying for no reason that I'm a douche to all newcomers is not an aggression. (if you look closely at the strategy I posted above, you'll see that you're supposed to look like you're not attacking the other out of nowhere ;) otherwise it's just you who are the douche)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on October 21, 2012, 02:27:37 am
Let's drop the tension between the both of you and come to the agreement that if someone is not doing something that they are not supposed to, that it should be dealt with in a mature manner. It can be strict, but not in a way that we are calling someone out in a derogatory way. I believe you two can both agree that doing this for the better of a newcomer in the community is far more better than just getting someone upset on purpose and getting themselves banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on October 21, 2012, 02:33:14 am
I've never said anything against that - I haven't even said anything about newcomers and I'm not arguing about how mods should handle anyone. I was just humoring Cybaster's fake and hypothetical threat and Rajaa calling him out on bluff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on October 21, 2012, 03:34:17 am
To be fair, some mods have at times used that strategy. Poke poke poke OOH broke rules bye bye. It happens/happened.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on October 21, 2012, 05:24:50 am
I don't think anyone has literally sat down at their computer, looked at their computer's screen, and told themselves that they're going to heckle a person until that person is banned/ban-able. I think it just happens to turn out that way sometimes. Consciously making an effort to force someone into a corner is much worse.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 22, 2012, 09:11:56 pm
well, iced does. with that passive aggresiveness of his (or at least that's what everyone else says) [avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/avatars/applejackBIG2.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on October 22, 2012, 09:15:25 pm
"Quit being a fucking idiot" is all we have to go on.
LOL.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 30, 2012, 02:42:21 pm
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I don't think Navana should be banned because he didn't answer a question in a thread. He was ignoring you, if he's capable of doing that, then we should all be capable of ignoring him.
that's not how forum moderation works at all
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on November 30, 2012, 03:00:27 pm
Honestly, I agree with Rajaa. It was an obvious attempt at gaining attention that ended up in some people talking about Yugioh and MI, which was possibly the best result as we stopped paying attention to whatever he said. We should do that each time he pulls that stunt, either that or ignoring him. Banning him for three days does nothing at all, in fact he may think he's getting more attention, enough to be banned, and attempt again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on November 30, 2012, 03:16:12 pm
Good luck getting everyone to go along with the "let's just ignore him and he'll go away" plan, that always works. As long as he's pulling crap, there will be people to pay attention to him, and it will turn into something like this that spans several days of wondering if he needs to be banned or not. And the fact is, he's causing that knowingly and on purpose.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on December 01, 2012, 12:45:02 am
MissBHaven said:
Ignoring a moderator is only a serious problem if the moderator is directing someone to stop breaking rules. As far as I know making a fake MI, linking to a fake MI, lying (if in fact it is a lie) about making a fake MI or anything to do with a fake MI is not against any rules.
But... pissing off users, mods and admins IS against any rules?? I mean, I've nothing against Navana, but he's clearly making trouble and bothering with his attitude, and this isn't new. And there's a lot of people that has been banned before because of this, why he could make a difference??
Now, about getting permabanned or just banned for a time, I washed my hands... there's a lot of people who want Navana permabanned (since admins to normal users), but that's not my case
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 01, 2012, 01:37:04 am
You all have an ignore option. It's in your profile. Apply it to him if he annoys you. That way you have to actively be annoyed by him. Feel free to use it.
We would prefer that than banning because is this truly and honestly worth a perma ban? Really? He's annoying a few people so permaban?
Use your ignore option please. It's far simpler than us doing an unjustified permanent ban to solve a problem that is mostly other people who can't ignore someone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 01, 2012, 01:42:26 am
why ban anyone under that logic?
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As far as I know making a fake MI, linking to a fake MI, lying (if in fact it is a lie) about making a fake MI or anything to do with a fake MI is not against any rules.
this instance isolated is not worth action. this instance, taking into account everything that previously happened, is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on December 01, 2012, 01:58:49 am
I don't think Navana should be banned because he didn't answer a question in a thread. He was ignoring you, if he's capable of doing that, then we should all be capable of ignoring him.
that's not how forum moderation works at all
Given the question that he was being asked, he wasn't being moderated, he was being picked on.
Also, my statement was more along the lines of EVERYONE ignoring him when he's not breaking any rules, not how to moderate him. But we all know that's not going to happen in reality.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 01, 2012, 02:04:49 am
As far as I know making a fake MI, linking to a fake MI, lying (if in fact it is a lie) about making a fake MI or anything to do with a fake MI is not against any rules.
this instance isolated is not worth action. this instance, taking into account everything that previously happened, is.
People being annoyed by him is totally different to someone posting porn, or shock images, or being a complete asshole. He makes posts that don't annoy me at all. Not even slightly. He's only annoying if you engage with him. He posts the same way regardless of your interaction. This is kind of self inflicted. You get annoyed by him because you let him annoy you.
If you want that to stop, ignore him. Maybe it'll stop altogether and we don't need to spend time fucking with fake accounts of him coming back over and over.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 01, 2012, 02:10:03 am
If he were that annoying in something regarding actual mugen works, I would support the ban, but he seems to get annoying in unrelated sections so a permaban is too much, still a 3 days ban might be too short, a week or month long ban should be deserved now if only because he has been banned too often.
(personally he hardly ever annoys me, as attention whoring seems to be his bigger fault is nto as bad as ruining topic or being too rude to people)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 01, 2012, 06:29:14 am
People being annoyed by him is totally different to someone posting porn, or shock images, or being a complete asshole.
the amount of people that get banned over porn or shock images is minimal compared to the amount of people banned for being annoying or assholes, so that's not exactly relevant. plus if someone's being a complete asshole, put them on ignore. it's just words, right. it's not anything illegal. why ban anyone for that.
what counts as annoying or being an asshole are clearly subjective things. while he might not annoy you, he has annoyed other users to the point some staff members believe navana deserves a ban.
attention whoring seems to be his bigger fault is nto as bad as ruining topic
his attention whoring ruins threads. http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1671044 http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1669682 it also creates shit threads by proxy http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/reacting-146186.0.html
Given the question that he was being asked, he wasn't being moderated, he was being picked on.
he was being moderated on grounds of dishonesty
the rules said:
Do not lie, be honest
a rule he disregarded several times. you might as well remove that line from the rules. while i can easily put him on ignore (just like i could with any offensive user), i don't believe the rest of the userbase should be subject to his constant horseshit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 01, 2012, 08:01:33 am
good points, I guess it's similar to the gbk case, where the people (including staff ) that he managed to piss off all wanted him bnned, while the people uninvolved did not even want him banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on December 01, 2012, 08:13:13 am
good points, I guess it's similar to the gbk case, where the people (including staff ) that he managed to piss off all wanted him bnned, while the people uninvolved did not even want him banned.
(http://caddie.smeenet.org/gbkkeanu2.png)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on December 01, 2012, 08:40:06 am
Lol, I miss that guy
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 01, 2012, 08:59:25 am
So he made stupid posts and everyone responded to them. His post didn't ruin the thread. It was just a load of shit that happens any time someone people think is stupid posts and they feel this need to correct them and prove how dumb they are. Every single time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on December 01, 2012, 01:00:30 pm
a rule he disregarded several times. you might as well remove that line from the rules. while i can easily put him on ignore (just like i could with any offensive user), i don't believe the rest of the userbase should be subject to his constant horseshit.
Thanks for reminding me of that rule. It's been so long since someone had to be be banned purely for lying that I forgot that part existed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on December 01, 2012, 01:14:28 pm
As long as he posts, someone will respond. You will never find a time where everyone suddenly gets enlightened and actually ignores him. As long as he posts, there will be a clash, one way or another. One day with this person, an other day with that person. And he's causing those clashes. "Just ignore him" is a shit response. If he's doing something bad, he should know the consequences. If he's doing it repeatedly, on purpose and everything, it's his fault. Not the fault of those who respond. Well, a bit, but from a broader point of view, it's not.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on December 01, 2012, 01:18:21 pm
a rule he disregarded several times. you might as well remove that line from the rules. while i can easily put him on ignore (just like i could with any offensive user), i don't believe the rest of the userbase should be subject to his constant horseshit.
Thanks for reminding me of that rule. It's been so long since someone had to be be banned purely for lying that I forgot that part existed.
Says the guy who set up a fake MI a few years back and the other guy who pretended to be female. Except that was all fun and games, right? It was different when Titiln and Rajaa did it. It occurred to me about 4 am that Navana is acting like one of the gaggle of 14 year old girls I see at the mall. Obnoxious, attention seeking, DRAMA, everything that most mature people don't like to be around, but ignore or tolerate.
I dont think any of you want to start forcing the "be honest" rule and it's not fair for you to cherry pick who has to follow which rules ALL of the time. If we start banning people because we can't stand their obnoxious posting, I have a growing list I'd like to submit. I know I can't isolate myself from crude, intolerant, loudmouthed, nasty, hateful people (here or out there in the real world) so I chose to ignore them.
:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on December 01, 2012, 01:20:00 pm
I know I can't isolate myself from crude, intolerant, loudmouthed, nasty, hateful people (here or out there in the real world) so I chose to ignore them.
Good for you, except you're the government who is supposed to protect those who can't be as clever as you. Why are you a gmod, anyway ? What does it mean to you, and what actions do you take for it ? You only talk about things not to do.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on December 01, 2012, 01:33:48 pm
As long as he posts, someone will respond. You will never find a time where everyone suddenly gets enlightened and actually ignores him.
We already know that and we have expressed multiple times that that's just wishful thinking. It is, however, possible to create a culture in which attention whores are simply ignored once they're discovered to be, in fact, attention whores. It doesn't hurt to implant the idea into people's heads.
Says the guy who set up a fake MI a few years back and the other guy who pretended to be female. Except that was all fun and games, right? It was different when Titiln and Rajaa did it. It occurred to me about 4 am that Navana is acting like one of the gaggle of 14 year old girls I see at the mall. Obnoxious, attention seeking, DRAMA, everything that most mature people don't like to be around, but ignore or tolerate.
I had no contribution to the creating of that fake MI board and the difference between now and then is that everyone knew it was fake and nobody lied about who created it.
I dont think any of you want to start forcing the "be honest" rule and it's not fair for you to cherry pick who has to follow which rules ALL of the time. If we start banning people because we can't stand their obnoxious posting, I have a growing list I'd like to submit. I know I can't isolate myself from crude, intolerant, loudmouthed, nasty, hateful people (here or out there in the real world) so I chose to ignore them.
:bow:
That rule was there when we became moderators, and it has remained there ever since. And enforcing rules for certain people who continuously break certain rules is exactly why certain rules exist, I don't see your point. Plus, even if you do personally think that certain people are being obnoxious, not every obnoxious person ruins threads, etc, so the rules don't necessarily need to be enforced on them. Discretion is a wonderful thing, isn't it? Just because one person needs to be banned for breaking a certain rule, doesn't everybody needs to be banned. Depends on intention, history, etc.
This goes back to: Do basic social skills need to be in the rules?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on December 01, 2012, 02:23:05 pm
Why are you a gmod, anyway ? What does it mean to you, and what actions do you take for it ?
I was asked to help and I agreed. I've never made it a secret that I'm a terrible moderator and that I wont change my stance that banning should be avoided (except for something illegal), moderation should be behind the scenes and hands off for the most part and that most people are reasonable and can work out differences.
I had no contribution to the creating of that fake MI board and the difference between now and then is that everyone knew it was fake.
Not exactly... Kratos (for one) was deceived into thinking it was real. Using the exact same skin, boards, etc is an attempt to trick people, not announcing it's fake. I thought it was a clever prank myself.
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That rule was there when we became moderators, and it has remained there ever since. And enforcing rules for certain people who continuously break certain rules is exactly why certain rules exist, I don't see your point. Plus, even if you do personally think that certain people are being obnoxious, not every obnoxious person ruins threads, etc, so the rules don't necessarily need to be enforced on them. Discretion is a wonderful thing, isn't it? Just because one person needs to be banned for breaking a certain rule, doesn't everybody needs to be banned. Depends on intention, history, etc.
This goes back to: Do basic social skills need to be in the rules?
I think we agree that Navana doesnt ruin every thread he posts in by being obnoxious. And I dont believe any of us knows a persons intention 100% of the time.
What kind of basic social skills? Because you are getting into an area of discrimination there.
:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: hjk on December 01, 2012, 02:25:16 pm
As long as he posts, someone will respond. You will never find a time where everyone suddenly gets enlightened and actually ignores him. As long as he posts, there will be a clash, one way or another. One day with this person, an other day with that person. And he's causing those clashes. "Just ignore him" is a shit response. If he's doing something bad, he should know the consequences. If he's doing it repeatedly, on purpose and everything, it's his fault. Not the fault of those who respond. Well, a bit, but from a broader point of view, it's not.
'I can't grow up and ignore him,' is a shit response. No matter how many people feel compelled to reply, they're just being stupid and it's their own faults.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on December 01, 2012, 02:51:35 pm
I just said that, you're quoting me saying that. I'm also saying it's their fault on the scale of one happening, but overall, it's not. If one person is constantly making it so people react this way, and on a regular basis, he's the cause of it. It's a question of judging the gun or the shooter.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on December 01, 2012, 03:02:18 pm
I had no contribution to the creating of that fake MI board and the difference between now and then is that everyone knew it was fake.
Not exactly... Kratos (for one) was deceived into thinking it was real. Using the exact same skin, boards, etc is an attempt to trick people, not announcing it's fake. I thought it was a clever prank myself.
As long as he posts, someone will respond. You will never find a time where everyone suddenly gets enlightened and actually ignores him. As long as he posts, there will be a clash, one way or another. One day with this person, an other day with that person. And he's causing those clashes. "Just ignore him" is a shit response. If he's doing something bad, he should know the consequences. If he's doing it repeatedly, on purpose and everything, it's his fault. Not the fault of those who respond. Well, a bit, but from a broader point of view, it's not.
Not to draw this out, but I bolded the parts of your post that I'm reacting to. I'm saying that the reactor holds the most blame, not Navana.
But I see what you're saying. I thought you were targeting him, which you weren't, so I'll withdraw.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on December 01, 2012, 03:15:18 pm
I'm saying that the reactor holds the most blame, not Navana.
I thought you were targeting him, which you weren't
In the part you bold, when I say "Not the fault of those who respond. Well, a bit, but from a broader point of view, it's not" by opposition it means the one reacting are responsible for it only on a small scale. On a bigger scale, when it happens repeatedly, the ones reacting are not the cause, they're the effect. The cause is still Navana. I am targeting him. When you say the one responsible are the ones who react, you're looking at a too small scale, you're looking at one particular event and judging the whole situation for it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on December 01, 2012, 03:15:55 pm
What kind of basic social skills? Because you are getting into an area of discrimination there.
:bow:
What other kind of basic social skills? Don't be Navana; don't be named John Bilski; don't be gay; don't exist.
Those are basic social skills. Keep up.
This comment is totally uncalled for in this thread.
I'm sure I'm splitting hairs, but saying someone has to have social skills to post here is a bit different than saying someone most post here in a socially acceptable way.
:bow: <- yes I use a smilie at the end of my posts to irritate people, should I be banned for it?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on December 01, 2012, 03:17:37 pm
In the part you bold, when I say "Not the fault of those who respond. Well, a bit, but from a broader point of view, it's not" by opposition it means the one reacting are responsible for it only on a small scale. On a bigger scale, when it happens repeatedly, the ones reacting are not the cause, they're the effect. The cause is still Navana. I am targeting him. When you say the one responsible are the ones who react, you're looking at a too small scale, you're looking at one particular event and judging the whole situation for it.
That's how I interpreted it, but we'll just agree to disagree.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 01, 2012, 03:48:04 pm
fake mugen infantry was made on or around april fools, was not associated to a mystery bullshit name and was quickly revealed to be a joke (even though it was fairly obvious and most people didn't fall for it). from the ridiculous angle (i bought it from aztec) to the date (april fools or very near it) to the forum itself having joke descriptions for some of the boards it should've been obvious that it was a joke and i was surprised anyone at all fell for it. none of that applies to navana who attempted to cash in for the lack of a forum to make his own and get some activity. nice try though
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So he made stupid posts and everyone responded to them. His post didn't ruin the thread. It was just a load of shit that happens any time someone people think is stupid posts and they feel this need to correct them and prove how dumb they are. Every single time.
unban peterfoster. i didn't mind his posts. i hella liked his posts. anyone that doesn't like him can just put him on ignore. it's not his fault that people respond to the stupid posts he makes. this goes for everybody that got banned for just being a shitty poster.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on December 01, 2012, 04:21:26 pm
good points, I guess it's similar to the gbk case, where the people (including staff ) that he managed to piss off all wanted him bnned, while the people uninvolved did not even want him banned.
Nobody is pissed off by Navana. And nobody was pissed off by GBK.
Pay attention cupcake, I already said I support banning someone who's done something illegal.
My point was that people don't get convicted on 100% certainty. Of course, this isn't a criminal trial, but this example is not a wild comparison considering it points out that no one can be 100% sure of something unless they actually witnessed it with their own senses. And even senses aren't 100% accurate. That's why relying on past events and behaviors to make a decision on someone is useful, because it helps us determine what the intent of someone might be. Navana, in this case, has various examples of lying and conniving.
I'm sure I'm splitting hairs, but saying someone has to have social skills to post here is a bit different than saying someone most post here in a socially acceptable way.
Nobody said someone should be banned for not having social skills, I just said that the sub discussion that we were having comes down to us having basic social interactions in the rules so we don't have to hear you complain about banning someone for something that's not in the rules. I thought that was clear, apparently it wasn't, so I hope you understand now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on December 01, 2012, 05:45:04 pm
Why are you a gmod, anyway ? What does it mean to you, and what actions do you take for it ? You only talk about things not to do.
It's good to have a dissenting voice in things.
This topic. Of course it depends if, in your mind, discussions here have the same weigh as a discussion in the staff section. I really mean in your mind, the discussions are mostly going well here, you treat this topic seriously enough, but does it weigh as much ? If MBH was not staff but saying the same things here than she says in the staff section, would it be the same in your head ?
I'm not trying to imply you treat staff differently than you treat the plebe, I'm saying that if you don't, then the real difference between being a gmod and not being one is actually having the power to do things, not being the voice of opposition, since this topic works just fine for that. And if someone doesn't use those powers (as long as they're being used rightfully etc. of course), what worth does it have to have them ? (again, this is assuming an equal value in the words of different people, the above would be terribly bad in the opposite situation)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on December 01, 2012, 07:14:47 pm
If MBH was not staff but saying the same things here than she says in the staff section, would it be the same in your head ?
Personally, I don't think it would be. For a whole bunch of reasons.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 01, 2012, 10:05:46 pm
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unban peterfoster. i didn't mind his posts. i hella liked his posts. anyone that doesn't like him can just put him on ignore. it's not his fault that people respond to the stupid posts he makes. this goes for everybody that got banned for just being a shitty poster.
Peterfoster posted about 3 times as much as navana and made threads at a much greater rate than him as well. He was ACTIVELY disruptive. And "don't be a shitty poster" was never in the rules and we shouldn't have banned anyone for it as it makes us look like massive hypocrits. We have the option now, but when peter and a variety of other people were banned, we did not.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on December 01, 2012, 10:16:54 pm
"Don't be a shitty poster" is in the rules though. It's the summation of the entire rules thread, in fact.
p.s. not banning someone unless they do something "illegal" is not just a dissenting opinion, it's a fucking ridiculous standard that should be held by a failed cop that got kicked off the force, not some global mod on a mugen forum. Get real imo
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on December 01, 2012, 10:35:39 pm
Find myself agreeing with tempest.
Also comparing pranks to someone that repeatedly lies, gets caught, denies, comes back and begs forgiveness, lies again, gets caught,denies, comes back and begs forgiveness over and over again is literalist and dumb as nails. Navana wasnt banned over pretending to be a woman, same way that mbh wasnt banned over joking about being a man, EVEN THO everyone knows that mbh was joking and Navana was stealing photos from a real girl to do it and try to manipulate people. Someone doing a prank on someone else is not the same as someone THAT LITERALLY PRETENDS TO HAVE NO MUGEN SKILLS SO THEY CAN GET CODERS TO TEACH HIM CODING(even after caddie trained him ) . Holy shit. Its someone that preys on people that dont know them in order to get them to waste their time. If you had someone coming to your neighbourhood pretending to be homeless and begging money off people when they didnt even need the money you would want to get rid of the person.
I dont care if navana gets banned or not, i already permabanned him once for being manipulative and lying constantly. But having a discussion about his behaviour turn into literalism and detail bickering is dumb, weigh in what he is doing and what effects it could have, and decide if its worth ignoring or not, dont go around acting like pseudo lawyers.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 01, 2012, 10:55:18 pm
Everyones definition of "shitty poster" is different and making a post many users see as dumb is not the same as doing something wrong. If you're stupid, don't join this forum. Yep, excellent mentality.
It is not our job to "fix" people. A moderator is a janitor. Badgering someone to obey some forum mentality isn't something we should be doing.
I'm with MBH, i think we permaban too much for little things. And this is little. Very little.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on December 01, 2012, 10:56:41 pm
man, this guy navana sure got exaclty what he wanted becasue you fuckers can't stop talking about him
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on December 01, 2012, 11:44:53 pm
Why are so many of you defending Navana?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cazaki on December 01, 2012, 11:55:09 pm
I think Navana isn't a such a problem if you cool your jets.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on December 01, 2012, 11:59:12 pm
Been trying to but he's derailed so much of the forum, really if the moderators are supposed to be "Janitors" then could you at least clean the source of the filth? Also if said person isn't going to obey forum rules then why not do something about him?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 01, 2012, 11:59:37 pm
the ones that haven't dealt with navana don't see it as a big deal and isolate the issue, the ones that have dealt with him for longer and are aware of how many times he has pulled similar shit, however, do. if he was previously banned (permanently somehow, but he came back so i guess he was forgiven?) on grounds of lying then he clearly should be banned again, because he's lying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cazaki on December 02, 2012, 12:02:53 am
I guess you're right, I don't think I'll understand why it's a big deal
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on December 02, 2012, 12:08:03 am
He lies, he uses people, (Such as Ryon for example), and then he whines about it asking for sympathy. Not only that but his smug attitude and constant ignoring of the rules. He contributes nothing to the forum at all, his releases are shit or often cries of attention.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on December 02, 2012, 12:11:25 am
Just the way he made a stage that people liked and then said he'd make it private because they liked it irked me. Add that on top of the rest of his crap and I have to go with banning too. I don't care about the stage at all, it's just further proof of what he is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Djoulz on December 02, 2012, 01:38:11 am
Honestly I've dealt with him and even I think a permaban is overkill
Said the guy who takes a piss on a topic whenever ponies are brought up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on December 02, 2012, 02:18:44 pm
rarity trixie is best pony, quote this post if you agree
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on December 04, 2012, 02:04:50 pm
So I tried the ignore feature for the first time today, what with all the "GUYS STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT NAVANA, USE THE IGNORE FEATURE" and...
1) The post is spoilered. I've never seen a spoiler I didn't click on, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
2) So let's say I supress the urge to click on the post. I still get to read it when I hit "Reply."
So in short, telling someone to put a bothersome user on the Ignore List is dumb because it does jack crap (except maybe for PM's, I dunno), and people who talk about how they can't see the offending posts are lying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on December 04, 2012, 02:08:08 pm
Well unless they would like to edit the features, in the mean time you just have to resist the urge to press the spoiler....~
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on December 04, 2012, 02:59:00 pm
So I tried the ignore feature for the first time today, what with all the "GUYS STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT NAVANA, USE THE IGNORE FEATURE" and...
1) The post is spoilered. I've never seen a spoiler I didn't click on, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
2) So let's say I supress the urge to click on the post. I still get to read it when I hit "Reply."
3) You can still see the thread the ignored person created (I ignored Wlanmaniax and I still see his ugly threads in Releases). You forgot that one, Jango, and I agree with you, too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on December 04, 2012, 09:03:18 pm
If you want an example of how to handle the Ignore function:
1) I see that the person I have on Ignore has posted something. 2) I check the message, if I want to post in that thread, so it doesn't feel completely disconnected from the current discussion, or just to make sure if it's something really relevant that I need to know. 3) I refresh so the spoiler returns and I don't have to watch his/her comments in case they prove it was a good reason to put the user on Ignore.
It's more like helping you to control yourself from paying attention to him/her, rather than just making you unable to see any comment from him/her. And if you think about this, it's rather pointless to make you completely unable to read all of his/her posts, because if someone quotes the user, then you will be able to watch its comments, and maaaaaybe it doesn't post stupid things all the time. Honestly, the way it works right now is fine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on December 06, 2012, 08:38:54 am
And here I was, thinking that the "ignore feature" made the one you put on your list completely disappear from Guild, with his posts not existing at all on your end.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on December 06, 2012, 08:41:21 am
Please make the ignore feature delete the account of the users I choose to ignore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on December 06, 2012, 09:10:01 am
I didn't say that. ::)
Remember when some staff members were talking about a punishment for some guy who kept posting too much crap, and they wanted his posts to be invisible to all users except for himself, so he'd be wondering why nobody answers his posts, making him feel lonely and possibly lead him to suicide make him leave. Well, I thought this was finally implemented, but in a more global way. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on December 06, 2012, 09:48:33 am
Ninja ban. Good time it would be.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 06, 2012, 09:50:11 am
Still disappointed that's too hard to implement. That would be far more useful than a normal ban.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 06, 2012, 01:24:02 pm
"ninja bans" are just cruel and not worth the effort of implementing
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on December 06, 2012, 01:30:08 pm
Remember when some staff members were talking about a punishment for some guy who kept posting too much crap, and they wanted his posts to be invisible to all users except for himself, so he'd be wondering why nobody answers his posts, making him feel lonely and possibly lead him to suicide make him leave. Well, I thought this was finally implemented, but in a more global way. :P
Oh, I was just going along with you and exaggerating even further. Since you're like the king of exaggerating and stuff, I thought you'd get it. =p
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on December 06, 2012, 03:49:55 pm
Well Jango since we can't get what we want, we might as well ignore him and not give him the attention he desires, I know it's hard but at least try dude.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 06, 2012, 03:54:10 pm
i find it ridiculous that someone that was previously permabanned for lying and being an attention whore in general can come back, do literally the same thing and go unpunished
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on December 06, 2012, 03:57:59 pm
So I tried the ignore feature for the first time today, what with all the "GUYS STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT NAVANA, USE THE IGNORE FEATURE" and...
1) The post is spoilered. I've never seen a spoiler I didn't click on, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
2) So let's say I supress the urge to click on the post. I still get to read it when I hit "Reply."
So in short, telling someone to put a bothersome user on the Ignore List is dumb because it does jack crap (except maybe for PM's, I dunno), and people who talk about how they can't see the offending posts are lying.
Just FYI, before the overhaul ... the interactions of the ignored poster would still be shown like a regular post, except a spoiler INSIDE the post would appear sating something like "Spoiler: You're ignoring this user"
Now it appears as Collapsed in a completely ignorable yellow, same as the "Last edited by" which you should train your mind to ignore anyway. So you have it a lot better now, you just need to control your urge to click the damn collapsed ignorable yellow spoiler.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 06, 2012, 05:51:55 pm
i find it ridiculous that someone that was previously permabanned for lying and being an attention whore in general can come back, do literally the same thing and go unpunished
I thought he was banned for pretending to be another person the first time, and the second was for ignoring moderator's orders. Lying about a forum isn't really on the same level, IMO.
I dunno, I'm just not that worked up about it. And most people aren't replying to Navana anyway (despite his every effort), so it's not like he's being very distrustful. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on December 06, 2012, 10:33:53 pm
After he was exposed he made another account to trap, it was quickly seen and both his normal and new account were banned. He made a third one but that got banned as we didn't want him. Also it's not just lying, he's horribly disruptive to the forum, honestly, would it hurt if he got banned? Would anyone honestly give a flying fuck?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 06, 2012, 11:00:15 pm
I've never seen someone so eager to get someone else banned.
>:|
That's kinda a ridiculous statement, isn't it?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on December 07, 2012, 12:03:23 am
No, it's not, it's ridiculous that we're still talking about something that has already passed. We have already passed all of the issues that have been brought up and we have taken action for all of them, including you hastily banning Navana because he didn't answer a question to which you already knew the answer.
He hasn't disrupted anyone since he's gotten back for the umpteenth time, so what are we supposed to do? Punish him twice for the incidents of the past? I fail to see how him not being banned affects the continuance of this forum to the point of there actually being a rally for his banishment.
If he acts up again, he will get punished again; next time do it right so we don't have to have these ban-rallies.
And bringing up evidence for something that was already been handled (no matter how inefficiently) is moot.
Let this go already. Navana is not that serious.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on December 07, 2012, 12:08:51 am
Prevent him from doing it again ? No ? Okay, maybe not take so long to react to something so obvious next time ? ... Anyone ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on December 07, 2012, 12:16:38 am
He was already punished once for one thing, punishing him again for that same issue after his first punishment for that issue is over is not something that I support.
Take long to react to what? Some kid lying about a irrelevant free-forum in a thread related to the irrelevant free-forum? I'm not seeing the big deal and the need for immediate, crucial action.
He's not a serious threat.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on December 07, 2012, 12:19:22 am
including you hastily banning Navana because he didn't answer a question to which you already knew the answer.
How was that hasty? I gave him three chances to answer a pretty basic question, and he refused to do that. And after that banning, people are ignoring him. I'd say it was a success.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on December 07, 2012, 12:45:41 am
Okay, I am up to date:
He's seeking attention by placing the link to that forum in his signature.
Perma-ban him, or shut up about it (not in a rude way). I regret giving him the attention he was seeking by noticing his avatar, but it wasn't that obvious at that point, now it is. There is no need for a debate, nobody needs to make a case, either you are going to ban him forever or you aren't.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on December 07, 2012, 12:50:12 am
He hasn't disrupted anyone since he's gotten back for the umpteenth time, so what are we supposed to do? Punish him twice for the incidents of the past? I fail to see how him not being banned affects the continuance of this forum to the point of there actually being a rally for his banishment.
It's not about having a good reason to ban him, it's about sending a message
Edit: Ninja'd .-.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on December 07, 2012, 04:22:58 pm
Just ignore me and go on with your lives. The world doesn't revolve around me. K', Thanks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on December 07, 2012, 05:54:15 pm
Just ignore me and go on with your lives. The world doesn't revolve around me. K', Thanks.
I am one of the few people on staff here who has argued against banning you for your immaturity. This is obviously an attempt to get people to start talking about you again because you lost the spotlight for a few hours. The NEXT time you come into this thread attempting to stir things up, I'll ban you myself if someone else doesn't beat me to it. It really has come down to grow up or get out. And do not reply to this Navana/Sniper... the rest of you let it alone too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: momo! on December 28, 2012, 06:41:44 am
I love you and your wisdom MBH
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on January 05, 2013, 07:25:08 pm
I know this is not regarding the warnings or other stuff, but why Chamat has only ten posts in his post count? :stare:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Froz on January 05, 2013, 07:27:22 pm
That would probably go to the "my little overhaul" thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on January 05, 2013, 07:33:33 pm
No, it has nothing to do with the forum overhaul.
Chamat woke up one day after new year and decided to delete almost all of his posts. Not a forum bug. Not a staff decision. Nothing to see here people, move on.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 06, 2013, 08:24:52 pm
who the fuck was chamat?
wasn't he a spriter or something?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on January 06, 2013, 08:29:18 pm
It is him (http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/-ட-ந-க-ற-க-ţ--44115).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on January 06, 2013, 10:45:53 pm
Are you unable to recover any of his posts?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on January 06, 2013, 10:55:09 pm
Chamat woke up one day after new year and decided to delete almost all of his posts. Not a forum bug. Not a staff decision. Nothing to see here people, move on.
Maybe it was his decision, but it still sounds strange to me. Well...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on January 07, 2013, 12:15:48 pm
I didn't mean that I couldn't find them, I know they're in the Recycle Bin. What I mean is, all of his posts have been edited into a '.', so you basically can't read anything he has posted.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 07, 2013, 12:18:24 pm
yeah that makes it impossible to return them without rolling back the server, which isnt impossible ( we did it for vans after all ) but which implies getitng val to work on it. Its an odd situation, i would have preferred chamat hadnt done that. I would rather have given him a new account than that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on January 07, 2013, 12:21:58 pm
You may want to restrict him from editing his own posts, so he doesn't '.' the remaining ones, as there's still like 4-5 pages that he hasn't '.' yet.
But wow, he spent 2 days editing all of his 30+ pages of history.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 07, 2013, 12:22:46 pm
you cant edit in the recycle bin afaik
he edited over 200 posts, one by one, dont ask me the reasoning, i dont get it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on January 07, 2013, 12:24:07 pm
But you can before throwing it into the Recycle Bin, which is probably what he did.
And I'm not asking the reasoning, just wondering if it was possible to recover. His reason may be related to his private life, similar to what happened with Vans. Who knows.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on January 07, 2013, 07:39:13 pm
But wow, he spent 2 days editing all of his 30+ pages of history.
Who does this, seriously. :|
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 07, 2013, 08:08:12 pm
someone who is pissed off. still does not seem to apply to chamat's case.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Djoulz on January 07, 2013, 09:44:21 pm
or someone who tries to erase his shitty posts count to start over like it never happened (in the hope that maybe people will forget and stop toying with him)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on January 07, 2013, 10:01:38 pm
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Djoulz on January 08, 2013, 04:37:10 am
nice DP guys
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on January 08, 2013, 05:07:02 am
This thread is doomed to derail isn't it?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on January 08, 2013, 05:08:42 am
Your right, lets get it back on track.
So how about that Celest guy eh? Reminds me of my 08' self
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on January 08, 2013, 06:01:54 am
I say give him a quick banning if he starts crap up again. Has he been banned once or twice?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on January 08, 2013, 06:04:14 am
He's a kid so I don't expect much from him, however he's still too young to even be registered here. Unfortunately the kid doesn't listen to what people tell him and instead continues to do what got him in trouble in the first place.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on January 08, 2013, 06:05:58 am
Not to mention he knows people tell him to grow up and actually contribute, but he refuses to listen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on January 08, 2013, 06:41:48 am
He's on his last warning. We're watching him carefully.
highlight-> OBEY
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on January 08, 2013, 07:53:50 am
In regard to Chamat's thing :
Quote
I wanted to clean everything up because I painted my house and did several changes to it, it looks so bright and new, I wanted to do the same with my profile, also because the new year. I did so in my other forums but here I couldnt convince the staff to clean my stuff from the recycle bin, is an annoying task i know.
And because I want to really focus in MY wips, so I wont be helping nobody like I used to, nothing against the forum, but I realize that Im wasting time doing so.
Anyway I let all the useful things I said: my Freezer concept, tutorials, and my gallery. Everything else had images with broken links so it wasnt useful at all and was old or simply useless.
Oh well. At least he's not angry or something.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on January 08, 2013, 08:03:30 am
Yeah, it's really weird and pretty dumb. There was no need to delete your post history just because you want to focus on WIPs. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DMK on January 08, 2013, 08:04:22 am
Always good to hear. Still kinda overboard to wipe them out or flat out delete things, just sounds like a lot more work then it would ever be worth, especially if they were dead links to things. :hugoi:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on January 08, 2013, 10:49:33 am
Was he the one who helped CVSNB with a bunch of Asuka animations? Or was that someone else? No offense to CVSNB, but that may be one of the things he's referring to, since he never finished it. Just throwing that out there. Unless I'm wrong, in which case ignore this message. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on January 08, 2013, 10:58:47 am
If he wanted to start fresh a new account would have been a better answer. All this is going to do is make everyone remember that he's the guy who went and deleted his post history for no apparent reason.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on January 08, 2013, 11:04:28 am
Was he the one who helped CVSNB with a bunch of Asuka animations? Or was that someone else? No offense to CVSNB, but that may be one of the things he's referring to, since he never finished it. Just throwing that out there. Unless I'm wrong, in which case ignore this message. :P
Yes, it was him, he corrected a bit of CvSNB's animations.
I wanted to clean everything up because I painted my house and did several changes to it, it looks so bright and new, I wanted to do the same with my profile, also because the new year. I did so in my other forums but here I couldnt convince the staff to clean my stuff from the recycle bin, is an annoying task i know.
And because I want to really focus in MY wips, so I wont be helping nobody like I used to, nothing against the forum, but I realize that Im wasting time doing so.
Anyway I let all the useful things I said: my Freezer concept, tutorials, and my gallery. Everything else had images with broken links so it wasnt useful at all and was old or simply useless.
Oh well. At least he's not angry or something.
Well, at least he's fine. Good for him then. :) Okay, I'll leave you now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 08, 2013, 04:20:50 pm
unless you are suggesting people get prohibited from mentioning it, which i dont really think you are.
Damn, some threads like the rogue thread are now full of holes and rajaa talking to himself. And chamat posts are missing too.
you just noticed ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 08, 2013, 07:12:14 pm
so you're saying rajaa is not crazy and talks to himself on his own wip threads?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on January 08, 2013, 07:17:22 pm
Yes, but only because some posts were deleted. If you look at the last posts, you can see him talking with Chamat (that deleted his posts), and a non-intentional double post.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 10, 2013, 06:28:09 am
see also: http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/sophitia-alpha-released-123112-146953.20.html
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on January 10, 2013, 06:39:15 am
Can we just keep him until early April? I was kind of thinking of something involving that time period, since you know, it's a very serious time of the year.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on January 10, 2013, 07:26:09 pm
see also: http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/sophitia-alpha-released-123112-146953.20.html
Considering he's permabanned from MFFA for acting more or less the same way he is now, I wonder about that myself. Besides, didn't Jmorph say he was already on his last warning? Seems like he just blew it.
Can we just keep him until early April? I was kind of thinking of something involving that time period, since you know, it's a very serious time of the year.
I find it hilarious because it would be fucked up on so many levels, but do you really want his crappy attitude for the next 2-3 months? I mean he's already cussing people out for using the report button on necroposts (and I'm not talking about the Brownsville comment he made months ago, I'm talking about during the past week or so) Posted: January 10, 2013, 07:35:30 pm http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/re-hloader-mugen-3-custom-portraits-118150.0.html
Found the post I was talking about.
On a side note, I have to admit I found his post comparing Cyanide to Obama pretty hilarious
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Watta on January 10, 2013, 09:47:58 pm
Considering he's permabanned from MFFA for acting more or less the same way he is now, I wonder about that myself. Besides, didn't Jmorph say he was already on his last warning? Seems like he just blew it.
and Newage mugen too...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on January 11, 2013, 01:20:07 am
Besides, didn't Jmorph say he was already on his last warning? Seems like he just blew it.
He's blown that warning at least three times since I told him it. He's not getting better, but I dunno if his behavior is ban-worthy right now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on January 11, 2013, 01:21:48 am
Perhaps another strongly-worded PM? If he disregards that, he's closer to a banning.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 11, 2013, 01:35:19 am
He's been 100% terrible since he came here. Drop the guillotine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Froz on January 11, 2013, 01:37:57 am
I don't want to sound like an ass, but why do you cling on this particular troll? he's done nothing but ignore every mod's warning and bash people who opposes his opinion with horribly worded posts that start with : "Le, Trololol, fuck off" etc.
I know that at that point it's still not ban worthy, but he should at least read/consider your warnings once in a while...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on January 11, 2013, 01:50:20 am
I'm pretty sure it's a combo of not listening to anybody, not improving when people give him good advice, spamming the report section at one point, and horribly attempting trolling at every opportunity. Responding to two separate posts with "(Le) suck it (bitch)" is definitely not how you should act in a forum.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
That and there's nobody else really worth talking about. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 11, 2013, 02:19:48 am
well... at least he stopped replying with image macros
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on January 11, 2013, 02:21:55 am
Don't forget awful YouTube videos~
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on January 11, 2013, 03:08:20 am
Seems too much like you guys are deciding who gets banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on January 11, 2013, 03:19:09 am
We all know we're not, but we can dream, right?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on January 11, 2013, 05:07:18 am
I guess in this case it's just common sense :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on January 11, 2013, 05:16:32 am
What's just commonsense?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on January 11, 2013, 05:20:37 am
Discussing Celest's further antics as they pop up?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: dark_light on January 11, 2013, 07:04:52 am
i just want to ask since its been said a few times about necrobump if you have feedback on a character or stage would the rules still apply?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 11, 2013, 07:06:45 am
I'd say it's better to PM it to the person if they're active on the site. Outside of that I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on January 11, 2013, 07:07:22 am
If it's 1 or 2-months-old, sure, post your feedback, but if it's 1 or 4-years-old, you should send a personal message or forget about it because the character has probably been updated and the programmer moved-on.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: dark_light on January 11, 2013, 07:08:44 am
thanks for the info
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 14, 2013, 06:20:43 pm
Agreed on the ost prohibition as per jmoprhman's argument, as ost are not very useful for mugen creations and it always seemed weird to have psoted those there, even artbooks are more useful because people rip portraits from them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on January 14, 2013, 08:10:39 pm
Regarding the ost prohibition, would that cover including said tracks in a character's snd file for characters that use their own BGM (aka the "jukebox" helper) or including said BGM in a stage release? I know for the stages people will most likely find the BGM elsewhere or simply replace it altogether, so I guess this mostly for the aforementionted built-in custom bgm. Or even fullgames for that matter.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on January 14, 2013, 08:19:21 pm
We haven't decided anything yet but if we did prohibit soundtrack releases I seriously doubt that would include in-character stuff. That would be going way too far.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on January 14, 2013, 08:39:19 pm
Agreed with the soundtrack thing. (though tbh, I don't think it should be a problem with ones that aren't commercially available, like say one for Battle Monsters......But hey your call)
Though I'd rather this hopefully doesn't extend to music that comes with stages/characters since that could limit a lot of releases (especially found ones).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on January 14, 2013, 08:40:03 pm
No one was suggesting that it would. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on January 14, 2013, 09:19:45 pm
If you want to be safe, it's better not to allow it. I mean, it's no big loss, if someone really needs it just say "Google X" and that's it. I don't think people is unable to use Google to search for Soundtracks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on January 14, 2013, 09:21:08 pm
If you want to be safe, it's better not to allow it. I mean, it's no big loss, if someone really needs it just say "Google X" and that's it. I don't think people is unable to use Google to search for Soundtracks.
This pretty much, commercially distributed soundtracks are really easy to find with a search.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on January 14, 2013, 10:20:20 pm
But it shouldn't be supported. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 15, 2013, 12:46:25 am
If you can buy it than said OST is warez, pretty much.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on January 15, 2013, 01:22:27 am
If we're going forward with this, shouldn't something be done about the reports about the OST release topic? The download link is still visible there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on January 15, 2013, 01:38:32 am
CENSORING COMPLETE
RETURN TO YOUR HOMES
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 23, 2013, 06:40:07 pm
This isn't probably the place to put it, but didn't want to create a new topic for it in case this has been answered before, and this topic seems to have decent staff traffic.
What is the status of compilations? I know a ton of people say they are not creations - so should we report them if we see them in release threads?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 23, 2013, 06:49:05 pm
They should at least be identified as such. so people know what they are downloading. And whoever makes them should be aware that most people wont be that interested. Everyone can make a "this is my mugen game" thing. I dont think they are somekind of crime tho, most people start by doing silly little things like that, and its a normal step towards trying to create something .
Its a good question. lets see what others think.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on January 23, 2013, 06:52:39 pm
Adding a message icon for compilations should be a good idea.
Strike that for reasons below, which I agree with. They're a waste of time and space.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on January 23, 2013, 06:53:24 pm
How often does it happen?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 23, 2013, 06:54:31 pm
rarely its the kind of thing that no one really releases. most people keep them to themselves.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 23, 2013, 06:56:23 pm
compilations do not harm anyway, if anything it is when people try to pass them off as project when they might get in the way/steal attention from real projects, btu that's better left ot the user base.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on January 23, 2013, 06:59:46 pm
We usually delete them, but reporting is probably the only way it would get our attention. On the other hand, it doesn't exactly hurt anyone, but... I dunno. As [E] said they do take up space and take attention away from other projects. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 23, 2013, 07:08:43 pm
this is true, but i would rather that people werent demonizing them to the point where the replies to someone new posting something he worked in is "UH OH!!" "YOU BETTER WATCH OUT HOMIE" etc
its not really productive nor does it tells someone new that their efforts might be better invested somewhere else. They just see that they are doing a kindness ( or what they think is one ) and people are being mean to them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 23, 2013, 07:24:26 pm
Maybe the compilation icon is the way to go? Yes they take up space and seem useless to many, but having an icon next to them that clearly states they are a compilation will allow users to simply pass over the topic. No reason to barge in and start posting angrily when the user clearly sees it labeled as a compilation. I think one of the main reasons why they get a ton of heat now is because people enter the "full game" topics looking for just that only to find a compilation.
Or maybe a compilation icon but move them into the edits and addons sections. Since it is not technically a new material besides a few occasional tweaks. I kind of like this idea better actually.
Either of these solutions would lead to more reporting, though, for compilations to be moved or the icon changed. At least until everyone gets with the new system.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on January 23, 2013, 07:51:46 pm
But if someone tries to claim it his own work? Hmmm... I don't know.
And maybe some compilations aren't bad and, if done correctly, maybe it goes for full game. Nah, difficult for me to decide.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 23, 2013, 07:59:02 pm
I don't think compilations can ever be considered a full game. Full game to me means that the characters all have the same fighting mechanics/style, same look stylistically with sprites and hitsparks, and have been balanced. Most, if not all, compilations don't have these features.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on January 23, 2013, 08:00:18 pm
I was just telling somebody this some months ago. "Don't download compilations they are bad! You will get a virus!" No, compilations are not that serious, just because we don't necessarily allow them in the release area, doesn't mean they're evil or anything. That mentality is kinda stretched to the extreme -- it's almost worst than the "being new is no excuse" mentality; a mentality in which a newbie is relentlessly bashed for making "bad" stuff because they need to learn how tough it is on the battle field, like they're in boot camp, training to become soldiers.
This is a hobby, people, no one needs to know how tough it is out there on the streets and nobody needs to be bashed for making a compilation or releasing their first character below popular standards.
But if someone tries to claim it his own work? Hmmm... I don't know.
Releasing a compilation and claiming credit for everything is the same thing as releasing stand alone content and taking credit for everything. You can't make compilations inherently bad, stop trying to make compilations inherently bad.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on January 23, 2013, 08:05:31 pm
Releasing a compilation and claiming credit for everything is the same thing as releasing stand alone content and taking credit for everything. You can't make compilations inherently bad, stop trying to make compilations inherently bad.
They're inherently bad in the sense that there's a far higher chance of a compilation being worthless than there is of a stand alone creation being worthless, there's no added value, it's literally something anyone can collect on the Internet and repack. It's not even good to get a bunch of characters all at once because there's usually very little chance that the pack contains stuff that may interest the guy who downloads it (unless it's a "collector"). There is nearly no situation where a compilation would be called a "good thing", and by extension, that makes them inherently bad, or at the very least, valueless.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on January 23, 2013, 08:06:38 pm
You can't make compilations inherently bad, stop trying to make compilations inherently bad.
Excuse me, were you talking to me? Or was it in general? No, you were talking in general. I would never release something without giving credit, but that's another subject.
And compilations have a lot of different characters that usually have different gameplays, thus resulting in unbalanceness of the game. Also that is an example of laziness, like Byakko said above. That's why I hate them. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on January 23, 2013, 08:09:26 pm
There is nearly no situation where a compilation would be called a "good thing", and by extension, that makes them inherently bad, or at the very least, valueless.
So, because it's not good, it's inherently bad? According to you? Nobody is talking about the quality of content.
I'm not even gonna argue with you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on January 23, 2013, 08:16:17 pm
If it doesnt happen very often then it's not really much of a problem is it?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 23, 2013, 08:36:20 pm
It does happen semi-regularly, which is the only reason I brought it up. There's one on the front page of both Mugen release sections right now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on January 23, 2013, 09:38:52 pm
There is nearly no situation where a compilation would be called a "good thing", and by extension, that makes them inherently bad, or at the very least, valueless.
P.S. you don't have to quote me and then say essentially nothing to "make a point".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos on January 23, 2013, 09:47:49 pm
In my opinion compilations should be frowned upon because they discourage creativity. You have the cool ones where people will take a bunch of similar characters and edit them to have full game functionality, those are awesome. But just slapping a bunch of stuff together doesn't really do much for anyone. The guy doing it doesn't learn anything and the community doesn't get anything they couldn't do themselves. Worse yet, if compilations are encouraged people who make them will continue doing so and will never actually learn or use their creativity to produce anything, and worst case scenario they take their compilation to a community that is less liberal about "community ethics" than MFG and they get blasted.
TL;DR It's not a moral/ethic thing so much as it is a "cmon, you can do better than that!" thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on January 23, 2013, 10:18:48 pm
If it doesnt happen very often then it's not really much of a problem is it?
It's fairly rare AFAIK but we should have some sort of policy on what to do for compilations.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on January 23, 2013, 10:25:03 pm
Make a thread for people to post them and put in Mugen Discussion for merging whenever it happens.
Continue to delete them like we've already been doing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on January 24, 2013, 01:04:58 am
As i see it with compilations. When one comes up, if you're the first person on the scene, notify the user, impartially that what they're doing is a compilation and anyone could have done this. Ask them to remove the topic. If it's not removed after 24 hours, do it yourself.
If there are users exercising the idiocy of "must bash cos dumb" trash their posts.
I would accept anyone who was speaking in a level manner about why a compilation has no purpose to it. Just not "OMG this is a compilation, compilations suck, make better your gay"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 24, 2013, 01:06:03 am
I kinda like rajaa idea of a single thread of "share your compilation here!" with an explanation that if you are editing stuff together or doing anything deeper it should be a normal release.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on January 24, 2013, 01:08:53 am
People won't bother, we'll have to merge them ourselves anyway. I prefer the delete method. You can properly educate that way too rather than what will be a rather pointless topic (or possibly one filled with shittalking)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 24, 2013, 01:10:21 am
I think raja's method is the best method, I remembered that when users ignore a compilation, thentypical compilation creator is the knid of guy who bumps and would start complaining in other topics about how his compilation is not getting attention.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on January 24, 2013, 12:22:47 pm
So if I understand we're discussing two methods, right?
- Keep the compilations in a single thread. Merge any compilation posted outside of it inside that thread. - Report/Delete any compilation thread, making sure to properly tell the creator as to why it's not a good idea.
IMO both seem okay. It just goes as to which method is less bothersome to deal with for admin/gmods/mods. I mean, for normal users, it's not a problem at all. We can either ignore it or not. Experienced users know it's not a good idea to make your MUGEN using a compilation, and those that aren't really experienced or doesn't care may want those compilations.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 24, 2013, 02:48:47 pm
Single thread idea seems the less messy of the bunch. But is MUGEN discussion the right place for it? What about in the edits and addons section? either way, that seems to be the best way to deal with them presented so far.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 24, 2013, 04:13:35 pm
Since anyone can do them, they're a waste of space even when isolated to their own thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on January 24, 2013, 04:21:03 pm
It kinda turns people away when they spend 5 days uploading 5 gigs to a free uploading service, only to have them get the boot when trying to share. Instead of deleting and completely making the person feel assaulted, we can move their thread to something that isn't the recycle bin and explain to them why the topic can't be its own topic and why compilations aren't exactly necessary.
Or we could just delete the topics and forget about people's feelings.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 24, 2013, 04:24:40 pm
If the thread is stickied you dont even have to see it being bumped up and down. With a proper first post explaining that most people can do that and the forum is more geared towards creation, you can probably have them feel like they did something small and perhaps later on trying out more stuff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on January 24, 2013, 04:41:32 pm
I like the thread idea as well. But not in MUGEN Discussion. There are too many stickies there already.
It should be in the found releases board. Um, the 1.0 one or the Old Mugen one? There shouldn't be 2 stickies for this. Also wasn't the 1.0 board supposed to be moved above the old mugen board?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 24, 2013, 04:44:36 pm
I like the thread idea as well. But not in MUGEN Discussion. There are too many stickies there already. It should be in the found releases board. Um, the 1.0 one or the Old Mugen one? There shouldn't be 2 stickies for this.
idea engineering?
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Also wasn't the 1.0 board supposed to be moved above the old mugen board?
I dunno what you are talking about.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on January 24, 2013, 04:53:50 pm
On the board index, the Win boards are above the 1.0 ones. Since 1.0 is the official, stable release, it should go on top.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos on January 24, 2013, 04:56:53 pm
I'd say just put a sticky in both release threads with whatever you decide on for compilations. Title it "About compilations and collections" or something. Would catch most peoples' attention.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on January 24, 2013, 04:58:21 pm
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on January 24, 2013, 05:04:30 pm
I agree on the single topic idea, but gonna have to agree with JNP that Mugen Discussion isn't the proper place for it.
I was thinking more along the lines of edits & addons, to be honest, just going by the definition of "edit" I think a compilation falls under that description. Besides, compilations are going to be either winmugen or 1.0 so I think it's only fair to have them relegated to the proper section instead of bunching Win and 1.0 together in Idea Engineering.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 24, 2013, 05:36:19 pm
On the board index, the Win boards are above the 1.0 ones. Since 1.0 is the official, stable release, it should go on top.
nothing, nothing, i only see air.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on January 24, 2013, 05:46:39 pm
Abusing power to make people look delirious.
Demod.
So, um, yeah, where to put the thread? Both release sections? Sounds a bit much, but I guess it doesn't matter. Idea Engineering is not the best place for it, either. Hm.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 24, 2013, 05:55:47 pm
both release sections, I guess the winmugen one will be the most used one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 24, 2013, 05:57:27 pm
My vote's for Edits and Add-ons in the individual release sections.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on January 24, 2013, 07:35:21 pm
Don't be silly, I love you very much... [avatar]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101128205743/dexterslaboratory/images/8/81/3183210043_d52c030ba0.jpg[/avatar] Wait no I don't >:[
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on January 25, 2013, 01:11:47 am
I liked the idea of an icon for compilations, but the thread idea is better (in Edits & Add-ons), as well an explanation in rules about this. Yeah, I like it ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Memo on January 25, 2013, 03:22:58 am
damn please dont delete my compilation i spent alot of time on it, i think its a good idea to make a section for them or be allowed to put them in the edits section if its content that was edited so it is atleast a balanced game instead of random stuff put together and someone taking credit for others work, and let it be know in the first sentence its a compilation too so people know, and dont say "yeah i did this myself" it sounds better if you say hey this mugen i put together is fun and i felt like sharing it with everybody, and please give credit where its due and mention the creators whos content u are useing because in the end THEY made your complation possible right?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 25, 2013, 04:16:18 am
but you're just posting something that anyone could do, that takes no work, and saying it's a full game. I don't see why compilations should be given space.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on January 25, 2013, 04:19:53 am
but you're just posting something that anyone could do, that takes no work, and saying it's a full game. I don't see why compilations should be given space.
It does take some work. And if we can easily provide a small space for people to show off their compilations, why not do it? There's no harm in doing it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 25, 2013, 04:28:17 am
There's not much work in editing a select.def, packing it up, and uploading it.
Also, in most compilation threads, they just turn to crap because someone calls them out on it (I know, I used to do this), or the OP reacts with hostility to someone saying it's a compilation. This will be no different.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 25, 2013, 04:32:04 am
yes, the person calling someone else out about releasing a compilation on the compilations thread will be the one reprimended.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Memo on January 25, 2013, 04:36:30 am
but you're just posting something that anyone could do, that takes no work, and saying it's a full game. I don't see why compilations should be given space.
im with u on that one thats why i put some work into mine but in the end im not saying its my fullgame or anything because i dont want to take anybodys credit and look like a douchebag to the community, i appreciate everybodys work hear and wouldnt take nobodys work as my own
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on January 25, 2013, 04:55:09 am
Personally I think doing this for compilations isn't promoting creation but rather lazyness.
Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Memo on January 25, 2013, 05:08:16 am
i bet thats how everybody here got started nobody just jumped into character creation without first making a compilation, now if you gonna make one try to learn some coding also, if all your chars dont super jump figure out how to add it to the rest, figure out how to add something to it to make it feel like it belongs together it will motivate you more to learn something besides trowing shit together and saying yeah this is mine i spent a whole day downloading and editing a select.def
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on January 25, 2013, 05:34:18 am
I don't think yours is that bad as you edited the characters to have a similar system.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Memo on January 25, 2013, 05:45:50 am
thanks for the compliment i tried hard, ive been working on it since last april , what took me the longest was figuring out how to tweak the a.i., i recomend everybody to dive into the character files and figure out how stuff works trust me in the long run it will be worth it especially when you start seeing results and that shin god ryu that was destroying that ass is now balanced
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on January 25, 2013, 05:47:40 am
If you edit the characters to have sort of the same system then it can be labeled a full game in the edits and add ons board. http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/street-fighter-zero-v2-demo-6-146799.0.html This thread is a good example of that. The person is constantly tweaking all the characters to play more alike system wise.
I guess go ahead and go with 2 compilation stickies. One for old MUGEN and one for 1.0 and higher. Might as well go the whole nine yards for this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Memo on January 25, 2013, 06:03:50 am
oh thats EM20XX sfa game hes doing good job on that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on January 25, 2013, 10:32:10 am
I am in favour of putting it in Idea Engineering. Then, people should just put what kind of MUGEN they're using. Two threads with the same thing is just too much.
Also, wouldn't it be better to separate this and put it into a separate thread? I mean, it's already become a big discussion about it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 27, 2013, 09:04:06 pm
yes, the person calling someone else out about releasing a compilation on the compilations thread will be the one reprimended.
This is the reason why I brought this up. Because in just about every compilation thread, it devolves into shit due to whining about it not being a full game and compilation being looked at as a negative word. If they received their own label/thread/icon/whatever, then no one would be able to whine about a compilation being posted in the compilation section or whatever is decided. And if a user does not want to see a compilation, well then they can just avoid the one. No more opening up "full game" releases to then be disappointed when they aren't.
As for the details, I can see there is still a debate going on about where to put them. Interested to see where this all ends up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on January 28, 2013, 05:12:03 pm
It's kinda distasteful, definitely needs an NSFW tag so people know what they're getting into right off. It's not truly CP because it's basically a cartoon character, you can make a claim that it's over 18 regardless of what it looks like.
Can I suggest a special icon about it?? like NSFW/+18 Character icon or something for this kind of "releases" (well, this is more an edit BTW). I mean, if this kind of releases would be allowed in this forum. And not just about hentai-edited chars, some doujin games chars should be added, too (Vanguard Princess, Queen's Blade, Strip Fighter series and so)
What do you think, people??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 28, 2013, 05:15:18 pm
too much work for less than one character per month.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 28, 2013, 05:24:57 pm
indeed how many of this characters are released per month year? or most importanlty are announced here?
even if this kind of characters are released weekly the people who post found released would ignore them and would only post them ignoring said character has mature content
plus in most cases the nude content is only available when facing specific characters or can be turned on/off via config file
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on January 28, 2013, 05:42:50 pm
Indeed, they're a lot of NSFW stuff (chars, stages, etc) released for MUGEN, but very few are announced here in the forum. I mean, here isn't allowed adult content, but that rule is implicit to these kind of releases, so that's mean NSFW stuff shouldn't be announced here?? And those ones already announced (also I remind about that Nude Joe) should be deleted or something??
Sorry, I got a lot of doubts in this aspect, since looks like a blank space for rules in this forum. Maybe just a "NSFW" in the title and that's enough, I don't know
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 28, 2013, 05:46:39 pm
anything nsfw should be tagged as so, it says so in the rules. we had strip fighter chars released here before and even projects of adult nature. The guy that sprited queen blade characters also put one of them here, cattleya.
This is not really that new of an occurance. If anything the description should be clearer as to what kind of adult char it is , and anything involving adult content should be spoiled.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on January 28, 2013, 05:58:30 pm
It's kinda distasteful, definitely needs an NSFW tag so people know what they're getting into right off. It's not truly CP because it's basically a cartoon character, you can make a claim that it's over 18 regardless of what it looks like.
Can I suggest a special icon about it?? like NSFW/+18 Character icon or something for this kind of "releases" (well, this is more an edit BTW). I mean, if this kind of releases would be allowed in this forum. And not just about hentai-edited chars, some doujin games chars should be added, too (Vanguard Princess, Queen's Blade, Strip Fighter series and so)
What do you think, people??
I didn't post that. You mixed something up somehow.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on January 28, 2013, 06:08:28 pm
My bad, it was Cyanide, not you. Sorry u_u
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on January 28, 2013, 06:12:07 pm
Rajaa your warning was kind of "overkill". "NSFW, nudity (or brief nudity whatever is the case)" would work.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos on January 28, 2013, 06:15:04 pm
I suggest an alternate version of the character/stage/whatever tag with an NSFW indicator on it. If that doesn't work, just a warning in the title should do.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 28, 2013, 06:18:08 pm
well that's what basara suggested but as we mentioned before this character are not released that frequently and even if they are the releases is not announced here
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 28, 2013, 06:29:10 pm
warning on the title is better anyway, jumps out more to the eye than an icon.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on January 28, 2013, 06:41:39 pm
well that's what basara suggested but as we mentioned before this character are not released that frequently and even if they are the releases is not announced here
I would like to see a pink icon, but yeah, you're right, people. I guess a NSFW in the title can be enough :) thanks for the aclaration
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on January 28, 2013, 07:34:18 pm
making nsfw version of all release icons would take up way too much space and it'd be a massive waste of time overall
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on January 28, 2013, 07:42:06 pm
My idea (in case of being implemented) it was just one icon labeled as NSFW, but well...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on January 28, 2013, 11:15:41 pm
i meant mc2's post, although having a nsfw icon isn't as practical as just putting NSFW on the thread title
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Froz on January 29, 2013, 12:20:47 am
Spoilers+Warning sounds good, although i think editing the Forum Rule about should be edited to have more specific detail of what's right/funny and explicit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 29, 2013, 12:28:33 am
just use common sense, is not like we get a lot of cases like those.
for the record, I am with jmorphman on the dr doom image, since the girl's head is obviously de-implying the fellatio.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on January 29, 2013, 01:22:21 am
Regarding Celes, I don't feel like the kid should be banned, he isn't harmful or toxic. I want to compare him to two previous 12-13 year olds we had before. Mahboi and Peterfoster. Mahboi derailed threads and horribly used dead fads, his later posts were bashing and trying to look good, he sought out more attention in the end of his history. Titiln finally banned him as his posts were nothing but purposefully bad at that point, even when he returned he still sought attention. Peterfoster often did similar things to mahboi and challenged the forum at some points (like the review of it), not only that but he kept making accounts and was banned more times than I can remember. Let's not forget that Anti MFG thread and forum he made to get us to care.
Celes just doesn't get along with anyone and the worse he does is insult you as means of defending himself or if he tries to look cool by attacking someone else. Yes his posts are bad but I don't think the kid is an attention seeking one like mahboi nor does he mean harm like Peterfoster did, he's just a horrible poster. If you do ban him, I ask that you don't permaban him and just give him some time off. We all make stupid decisions when we're that age and it would be a shame if that affected his Mugen learning as every other place is dead and that would mean he wouldn't be able to improve in the future as he would be unable to return here. If banned just give him some cool off time and see what happens from there. Just showing my concern.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on January 29, 2013, 01:28:58 am
That and he's making a char. If he's banned, how's he going to get people to test it? (Bad point, I know)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Astral-kun on January 29, 2013, 01:31:52 am
I'm Stupid I'm Not Gonna Hide that but atleast give me some time to think about what I did over the Past Few Days so for the next few hours imma log off for ur enjoyment
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on January 29, 2013, 01:39:17 am
Well, there's proof that he seems at least willing to learn from his mistakes. That's a good sign.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 29, 2013, 01:43:30 am
yah, I am also against banning him atm, though I understand that its tiring for the admins.
and regarding the report it was/is a sincere one; the one I set up a trap for was for erroratu in the kira/choiyer topic, so I guess that's why it got misunderstood as it happened at about the same timeframe.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TRUEMicah on January 29, 2013, 02:59:10 am
yah, I am also against banning him atm, though I understand that its tiring for the admins.
Same here, I'm against banning him. In a beginning admit I said yes, but in the past weeks I saw a change on him, apart of he's creating a character (as CAN said), so I think he's worth to stay here after all :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hurricane2s on January 29, 2013, 04:28:34 pm
I agree too. He's changing a bit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on January 29, 2013, 09:21:17 pm
There's a pretty easy way to determine if something is NSFW : given that it means (spoiler alert !) Not Safe For Work, if you think it's something you wouldn't want to be seen looking at when at work, then it's NSFW and it goes in a spoiler. It's magic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 29, 2013, 09:24:55 pm
well obvioulsy jmm is a muggle and doesn't belive in magic
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on January 29, 2013, 09:26:11 pm
Not just work but pretty much any public place. The last thing I want is some librarian unfamiliar with mugen or fighting games throwing me out of the library just because she caught a 1 second glimpse of what appears to be someone shoving a pole up Hanzo's vag. Its called Not Safe For Work for a reason, I dont get why JMM fails to see this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on January 29, 2013, 09:29:32 pm
My "rule" has always been is this something I'd want my mom to see.
:dozey:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on January 29, 2013, 09:32:08 pm
There's a pretty easy way to determine if something is NSFW : given that it means (spoiler alert !) Not Safe For Work, if you think it's something you wouldn't want to be seen looking at when at work, then it's NSFW and it goes in a spoiler. It's magic.
Oh my goodness? Really???? I never thought of it like that!
Believe it or not, people can have different opinions on what's safe for work and what's not.
I don't get why everyone's throwing a hissy fit over my opinions of what is and isn't NSFW.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on January 29, 2013, 09:33:58 pm
I don't think it's an issue that you don't see NSFW completely the same as others. That's why I said to just spoiler something if it's reported and you can maybe sorta see someone else's view point of it. And if not then leave it for another staff member to deal with the report :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on January 29, 2013, 09:59:01 pm
Believe it or not, people can have different opinions on what's safe for work and what's not. ... I don't get why everyone's throwing a hissy fit over my opinions of what is and isn't NSFW.
Yyyeah no, it's not about opinions, and it's not about your specific workplace, don't take it personally again. If you can talk blowjobs with your boss and have softcore porn for a wallpaper in plain sight, good for you, but, believe it or not, not everyone has the chance to have an understanding and humane boss or even workmates. MBH's short version is pretty good actually (provided you don't start telling us you watch porn with your mom in the same room as you).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on January 29, 2013, 10:03:49 pm
I'm pretty sure his mom and him are not interested in the same type of porn. ;D [/off-topic]
I'm out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on January 29, 2013, 10:06:16 pm
Yyyeah no, it's not about opinions, and it's not about your specific workplace, don't take it personally again.
Why do you think I'm taking any of this personally.
Actually, on second thought, don't answer. So yeah, I don't think either of those images are remotely near softcore porn, but the majority of you guys do, and that's fine. I don't know why this discussion is still ongoing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on January 29, 2013, 10:09:27 pm
Probably because for some reason you made it about your opinion and not what is best for the forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on January 29, 2013, 10:10:17 pm
You have a strange definition of taking it personally.
inb4 well you have a strange definition of NSFW
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on January 29, 2013, 10:21:25 pm
What kind of NSFW stuff are you people talking about here ? I thought this was about Choiyer's edit of Kira, then I read something about a Dr Doom or something. Link please ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on January 29, 2013, 10:24:11 pm
What kind of NSFW stuff are you people talking about here ? I thought this was about Choiyer's edit of Kira, then I read something about a Dr Doom or something. Link please ?
I see what you did here ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Makurayami on January 30, 2013, 06:48:55 pm
I guess go ahead and go with 2 compilation stickies. One for old MUGEN and one for 1.0 and higher. Might as well go the whole nine yards for this.
Not to derailing the current NSFW discussion, but what happened to this? We all seem to get sidetracked easily haha.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Balthazar on February 09, 2013, 06:19:15 pm
I keep getting malware warnings in Releases 1.0...moreso when browsing for Screenpacks Troublemaker seems to be usuarios.lycos.es
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on February 10, 2013, 03:44:59 pm
Wrong "warnings" mate. You should post that in Val's thread and such.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Balthazar on February 10, 2013, 07:40:20 pm
Oh yes I realised that :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mgbenz on February 15, 2013, 03:49:33 am
I'm on Rajaa's side here. I've only ever seen her arguing with the rest of the staff with banning anyone. It's like she opposed to banning anyone in general.
How did she get modship anyway? I've been wondering that ever since she got it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 15, 2013, 03:52:40 am
I'm pretty sure Sepp suggested her for the position when he retired.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 15, 2013, 04:28:43 am
I'm on Rajaa's side here. I've only ever seen her arguing with the rest of the staff with banning anyone. It's like she opposed to banning anyone in general.
How did she get modship anyway? I've been wondering that ever since she got it.
+1
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on February 15, 2013, 04:30:00 am
Decision making has been horridly slow lately.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on February 15, 2013, 04:39:06 am
As I know, MissB made some stages in the past or contribuited with various other projects, so the purple star is well gained and she's not an "useless MUGEN maker" as Rajaa intended to say. But I also agree about she only opposed to general decisions, especially the ones that involved bans. I read all discussed about her effectivity a mod, but nobody (but Rajaa) wants to be delayed of her job there
As for hjk, yeah, bosses here were way too late for the ban (he should be muted since months, but noooo... "let's be patient with that guy, he'll change"), but luckily it was done now and it's a permaban. He won't be missed, that's for sure...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 15, 2013, 04:40:07 am
She doesn't even have a Contributor star. Dunno what you're talking about. ._.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on February 15, 2013, 04:46:47 am
I'm on Rajaa's side here. I've only ever seen her arguing with the rest of the staff with banning anyone. It's like she opposed to banning anyone in general.
How did she get modship anyway? I've been wondering that ever since she got it.
I was asked to help by Iced and Titiln. I've owned and staffed 5 forums over the past 11 years, including 2 that are still very active. I've been on staff (including admin) on 4 other mugen forums.
I don't like banning for the most part and I think it should only be done as a last resort, so yeah you will probably see me question them. Just because I don't like bannings doesnt mean I'm going to have a tantrum every time someone gets it. I've agreed with some bannings (even if I would like to see some of them shorter) and I banned Navana when enough was enough with him.
Just because I have a differing style of moderation doesnt make me right and it doesnt make me wrong, it makes me different. Posted: February 15, 2013, 04:50:55 am
As I know, MissB made some stages in the past or contribuited with various other projects, so the purple star is well gained and she's not an "useless MUGEN maker" as Rajaa intended to say. But I also agree about she only opposed to general decisions, especially the ones that involved bans. I read all discussed about her effectivity a mod, but nobody (but Rajaa) wants to be delayed of her job there
As for hjk, yeah, bosses here were way too late for the ban (he should be muted since months, but noooo... "let's be patient with that guy, he'll change"), but luckily it was done now and it's a permaban. He won't be missed, that's for sure...
I've helped in some projects in the past (including several stages and Leech who still isnt finished), but I'm not talented enough to be a contributor. That doesnt stop me from admiring others talent.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 15, 2013, 04:55:05 am
hjk was banned for 13 months before the permaban was put in place, so it's not like we had to rush. Besides, we were talking about other, more important things, like Naked Crazy Joe!
As for hjk, yeah, bosses here were way too late for the ban (he should be muted since months, but noooo... "let's be patient with that guy, he'll change"), but luckily it was done now and it's a permaban. He won't be missed, that's for sure...
But he has been banned before. A lot. The only reason they weren't permanent was because his obnoxious and baiting posts never really warranted a permaban. But they slowed aggregated into one.
Regarding MissB, it's good to have someone who doesn't always agree with everyone. It helps let everyone reexamine their positions and reasoning.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on February 15, 2013, 04:56:36 am
Wow, even with a year long ban he won't learn his lesson?
Well, good riddance for him then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on February 15, 2013, 05:22:26 am
Regarding MissB, it's good to have someone who doesn't always agree with everyone. It helps let everyone reexamine their positions and reasoning.
But she often comes off as a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian. I agree with Rajaa as well. Her comments about the forum becoming "mean and nasty" come off as disingenuous (seeing as she's the one who puts up popcorn smileys whenever a big argument breaks out) and lack any sort of factual basis. I honestly just think she likes arguing, whether she's spectating or participating (up until the point she starts ignoring people, like she has been doing with Rajaa). Nothing personal, just how I (and several others) see it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on February 15, 2013, 05:43:40 am
Regarding MissB, it's good to have someone who doesn't always agree with everyone. It helps let everyone reexamine their positions and reasoning.
But she often comes off as a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian. I agree with Rajaa as well. Her comments about the forum becoming "mean and nasty" come off as disingenuous (seeing as she's the one who puts up popcorn smileys whenever a big argument breaks out) and lack any sort of factual basis. I honestly just think she likes arguing, whether she's spectating or participating (up until the point she starts ignoring people, like she has been doing with Rajaa). Nothing personal, just how I (and several others) see it.
Good points and sometimes I have to stop and ask myself if I'm being contrary for no reason and maybe sometimes I do. I dont mind being called on it. As for ignoring Rajaa, I think his posts to me in that thread come across as bullying, badgering, aggressive and insulting and I dont respond to that. Rajaa has an aggressive posting style anyway, thats just his way and I'm not going to spend a lot of time on a snarling dogfight with Rajaa.
The shift towards mean and nasty I talked about has nothing to do with in your face arguments. Those are to be expected when you have personality clashes. It has to do with the passive/aggressive remarks that dont really break rules, the tendency to form cliques and some other subtle stuff. It's not really a staff issue apart from trying to be fair to people we dont like,
I'm pretty sure the popcorn smiley is an RI thing,
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 15, 2013, 06:07:15 am
As for ignoring Rajaa, I think his posts to me in that thread come across as bullying, badgering, aggressive and insulting and I dont respond to that.
it is unfortunate that it took you so long to clearly say this, because you flat-out ignored several of rajaa's posts in the staff thread. i don't expect staff to agree on everything all the time, i don't expect all staff members to completely get along, but you should at least have the decency to say "i'm ignoring you because such and such, please don't bother" after each of rajaa's long ass posts.
that is, of course, in the scenario that staff members completely ignoring eachother is acceptable, which is not. one of you is clearly malfunctioning.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on February 15, 2013, 06:12:20 am
I'm pretty sure the popcorn smiley is an RI thing,
It is an RI thing, but you mentioned the other Mugen forums where you're a staff member, so I figured it was a valid point. Your response was very reasonable, though I still don't see what you're seeing as far as the forum goes.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on February 15, 2013, 06:36:46 am
As for ignoring Rajaa, I think his posts to me in that thread come across as bullying, badgering, aggressive and insulting and I dont respond to that.
it is unfortunate that it took you so long to clearly say this, because you flat-out ignored several of rajaa's posts in the staff thread. i don't expect staff to agree on everything all the time, i don't expect all staff members to completely get along, but you should at least have the decency to say "i'm ignoring you because such and such, please don't bother" after each of rajaa's long ass posts.
that is, of course, in the scenario that staff members completely ignoring eachother is acceptable, which is not. one of you is clearly malfunctioning.
I probably should have been more clear, but saying this after every post seems to be provoking more than just ignoring
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1715585
Maybe I am malfunctioning, I dont mind being called on stuff because I'm not perfect. I do mind insults and bullying and I won't respond to those.
though I still don't see what you're seeing as far as the forum goes.
It's something I started to notice a few months ago, just a shift, not like everyone suddenly grew fangs and claws. Of course now that I think of it, it's not just here, it's all over the place.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on February 15, 2013, 06:37:10 am
How did she get modship anyway? I've been wondering that ever since she got it.
You know.. I have been asking myself the same question for quite a while now.... how about instead of the "Global Moderator" star she should have the "Global Troll" star?
yeah... I was following that warnings thread and she pretty much evaded every comment Rajaa made towards her... that to me looked more like one of those ignorant users that ignore every post a mod would ask them which it was pretty immature specially when you are a "MOD"...
Just so you know: Rajaa wasn't or never insulted you at all during all those arguments you immaturely ignored...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on February 15, 2013, 06:53:53 am
I do like that she questions most everything in a way. Especially bans. I feel the same about banning. It's just when every person in staff agrees on a course of action she should only push a different direction about once or so. If no one else sees it that way she shouldn't continue to go against the grain.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on February 15, 2013, 08:06:37 am
Devils advocate is necessary.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 15, 2013, 08:17:35 am
Exactly. Simply questioning something can lead to complete reexaminations of one's position. I've seen it happen and it's pretty dang useful for things like this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on February 15, 2013, 01:34:02 pm
She doesn't even have a Contributor star. Dunno what you're talking about. ._.
Well, she had it some weeks (or months??) ago, recently I noticed she only has the blue star of mods :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duo Solo on February 15, 2013, 08:10:08 pm
Are stars that big of a deal?
I also believe where MissB comes from when she says the guild can be very vulgar and rude. You look back on users like Navana (who was annoying), I do remember users would go out of their way and stalk the him. They would even go as far as his Mugen Help threads, which was unrelated to the drama, and go ham. When I pointed this out, I was called a white knight, a trap lover, and a pedophile.
Navana was the worst but it still happens from time to time. The only thing that changed is the username, and these same people are going out of their way to follow their posts for a chance to make fun of them. Now Im not saying these users did nothing to deserve it. All of them have done something to garner that negative attention. But where do you draw that line where enough is enough? If their the antagonist, why do users go out of your way to give them attention? Why can't you just be the bigger person and ignore them? People want attention, why give them what they want?
I believe that that is what MissB is getting at.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on February 15, 2013, 08:20:20 pm
Just so you know: Rajaa wasn't or never insulted you at all during all those arguments you immaturely ignored...
Hi. I'm here to tell you that you suck and you're useless.
No offense, of course. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 15, 2013, 08:28:01 pm
People who disagree with you because they hold and present an opposing viewpoint are useful. People who disagree with you for the sake of disagreeing with you are useless noise.
All I've seen MissB do is slow down discussions without contributing anything of merit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on February 15, 2013, 08:57:58 pm
You don't ignore a complaint that is perfectly valid and touches a quite important subject just because you don't like the way it's worded as if you were the queen of England or a sleazy politician. If the problem is important, the packaging is irrelevant. Get the point, solve the problem.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zero-Sennin on February 15, 2013, 11:33:14 pm
There are ways to express yourself clearly that don't involve sounding like a jerk. Yes, a complaint can be completely valid, even if it's written with ten million swearwords and another ten million insults about how someone is stupid and slack-jawed, but it's not going to make it any better received.
It's the principle of common decency and a vital part of knowing how to actually communicate with people instead of shouting at them all the time. The "packaging" is far from irrelevant.
That said, I see where Rajaa is coming from about some decisions being obfuscated sometimes, and I see where MissB is coming from with her concerns about rudeness, cliqueishness, etc. But if anyone is doing something that's counterproductive to the staff making decisions, then they should be called on it without being insulted. Not that difficult to do.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on February 15, 2013, 11:47:19 pm
There are ways to express yourself clearly that don't involve sounding like a jerk. Yes, a complaint can be completely valid, even if it's written with ten million swearwords and another ten million insults about how someone is stupid and slack-jawed, but it's not going to make it any better received.
It's the principle of common decency and a vital part of knowing how to actually communicate with people instead of shouting at them all the time. The "packaging" is far from irrelevant.
Yeah cool that changes nothing. We're not discussing Rajaa's attitude, we're discussing MBH's. Arguing about the way Rajaa said it is nothing more than arguing in circle about nothing while discarding the actual concern, which is what I was just saying when you went back to how it was said.
Oh by the way, there are tons of people who know how to play devil's advocate and point out things most of the others on the staff miss.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on February 16, 2013, 12:23:12 am
Someone please point out the insults in my posts. I'll make it easy:
Shift toward nasty? Let me give you an example of how you're wrong:
Take this topic for example: http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/leaving-so-soon-148069.0.html
Two years ago, if that topic was made, especially with a user with that history, the topic starter would get a bunch of sarcastic replies about how no one cares and how it's better to leave in the shadows. Instead, we have people being courteous and acknowledging. Shift toward nasty?
I remember when someone would get bashed until oblivion for warehouses (I slightly remember), but here people are even posting their warehouses so others can use them and help each other. http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/mugen-websites-2013-147009.0.html
We have new users like can and C.A.N, G.o.D, Erroratu,a dn CVSBN who are trying their best to be helpful for no other reason than just to be helpful (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1714969). People being encouraging. People caring (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1712948). People contributing and getting recognized by their peers (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/contributor-suggestion-thread-63986.msg1715315.html#new). What else do you want?
Because a few users like HJK come along once in a while and nest for a few days or months, act horrible, and then get banned MONTHS later, things are shifting toward nasty? Staff is being too quick to ban? Are you serious? HJK had 5 years to change, got more than his share of chances. What else do you think is gonna happen that will make him change? That will make anyone change after that amount of time with not even a little change?
Sure, a couple of us staff members, including I, have acted out recently, but those are mostly one time things and the general user base knows it's wrong because they called us out on our shit. Iced stopped editing people profiles for humor, GOH stopped telling people to die, Jmorphman won't post porn anymore, and I won't go too far with my jokes. Users are not following us because they are also the ones that recognized our faults.
People will always say that a user should be banned -- this has never affected staff decisions on banning someone, and I can't think of any examples of when it did. I doubt that you can.
You can't excuse your annoying, obnoxious gimmicks by saying, "You are all becoming nasty, I'm trying to save the community." You aren't doing anything, actually. What exactly are you doing to contribute to the community? Nagging staff? Making posts in the All That's Left Section? You're pointing fingers at everyone else becoming nasty and not doing anything to help, and you haven't done anything even remotely significant - at all - ever. So what's your deal? You're basically just a needle in a lion's paw.
I dont think the staff is causing the cliquishness, but I dont think we are helping move away from it either. Some people are always going to see "us vs them" when it comes to staff and if we always follow the same procedure of 3 day ban and discuss it will cut down on us giving the appearance of being biased. Nothing will make us all think the same way or do away with our biases, but following procedure IS important.
Yeah, continue to ignore my points
I have gotten two messages from two different users who agree that all you do is nag about things -- every single time we make a decision -- and you contribute absolutely nothing to the forum, and thus, nothing to Mugen, in any way whatsoever. I don't know if they want me to quote them yet or if they're speak for themselves, but I'll wait on it. For the time being:
You don't participate in Mugen projects (not the section, actual projects) You don't participate in the Mugen sections You don't participate in Mugen contests or artwork regarding Mugen You don't participate in helping people learn Mugen You have NEVER participated in ANY of those things outside of some measly commentary about once or twice a month, and if it's more than that, then it's still not often enough because I can't see it happening.
What you actually do is:
Oppose every decision made by staff as if you have the golden rule book of how things should be run. Oppose every action made by staff as a gimmick because you enjoy being the opponent. Act oblivious to situations when you know absolutely well what's going on. Make posts in the all that's left section that are either you acting oblivious or you actually being oblivious. Oppose staff some more on completely legitimate actions like banning members who have offended the forum for what seems to be a decade. Tells us the community is becoming mean, while the community is actually becoming better and provides no examples to support your claim. Tell us that you're pointing out our meanness shift so the forum won't get mean while contributing nothing but nag, nag, nag and no action or participation in Mugen or actually making the forum better.
I mean this with all due respect, you are quite useless in a Mugen community. I can't think of any reason why you would even want to BE in a Mugen community, and I should be able to think of a legitimate reason that involves something even remotely related to Mugen.
Stop trying to wiggle your way out of the discussion by labeling me immature. Actually, I am very mature, and you can't sit there and actually believe that I am being immature right now while you're on some grand pedestal. The fact is that you're not better than anyone here, and you don't get to just label somebody wrong or childish while maintaining some false sense of respect and leverage over who even knows what.
Quite frankly, I actually don't want you to be a staff member anymore. You don't represent anything. No one can go to your for any type of help related to anything that is related to the point of this forum. I don't know how this makes me look, but it's pretty much what I think and it has nothing to do with power or whatever else youbor anyone else wants to make it about. It's simply, just, like, why? Why?
Was it because I said she's being annoying and obnoxious? Well, I could have called her a bunch of other words, but those are the words that describe her behavior. Was it because I said I don't see any point in her being here? Well, how else is that supposed to be said? My intent wasn't to be insulting, it was to respectfully tell her that she's being annoying and obnoxious -- and she proved it by ignoring my posts and telling me I'm being immature and personally insulting her. There's a difference between a personal insult and a discussion about personal behavior.
The fact is that she completely blew off even my first post which was simply explaining to her that we're not becoming mean and we don't need someone to just oppose for the sake of opposing.
A devil advocate may be necessary, but MBH is not a devil's advocate, she's just an advocate of opposition for the sake of opposition.
Nobody cares how many forums you moderate or have moderated in the past. I moderate people in real life in a more serious manner, what does that have to with your behavior on this site? Nothing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 16, 2013, 12:30:08 am
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I see where MissB is coming from with her concerns about rudeness, cliqueishness, etc.
This is what seems to happen.
- MissB makes an unsubstantiated claim about 'rudeness, cliqueishness, etc.' - The claim is refuted, and MissB is asked to substantiate it. - MissB ignores the post because of 'bullying'.
All this does is make her seem aloof and superior without having anything of actual substance to say, and allow her to avoid response whenever she's called out on it. It's empty and accomplishes nothing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on February 16, 2013, 12:55:42 am
I can't say much about MissB but I can share some views from what I've seen.
- I really think she is trying to make herself more Superior than she is with always neglecting bans (Even when they're for really good reasons) - Never seems to contribute or barely post outside of the "All that's left" section, might say "Nice char +1" at rare occasions. - Is really Ignorant when it comes to stuff like this, it's sometimes nice to be different but not in this case! - I recall her being somewhat of a "Troll" back when she was a regular user on here and an Admin/Whatever on Mugen Infantry and from what I saw, she liked to annoy people. - Animal Fetish
Most of those points are from what other people have mentioned but it shouldn't hurt to say them again.
I really hope MissB considers changing a little, if not. Then I think she should be removed from the Moderator team and let someone more Contributing and less softhearted on there instead.
Well, she had it some weeks (or months??) ago, recently I noticed she only has the blue star of mods :P
In all my years here, I have never seen MissB with a Contributor Star, heck I don't even know why I have one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on February 16, 2013, 01:09:33 am
Wait, hold on, since when did a contributor star become a requirement for moderator status?
From the Warnings thread:
Iced said:
Someone not making stuff for mugen doesnt mean they are "useless" or "worthless". Sepp, valodim,titiln, even oz or person man are good examples of people that either gave up on mugen fast, or never "Made" stuff for mugen. That didnt made them any less of staff members whose opinions should be taken in consideration.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on February 16, 2013, 01:16:36 am
It's not a requirement. My comments about her contributions to Mugen were coupled with my comments about her contributions to this forum to ask her what reason she had in being here in the first place if she's not interested in Mugen and only wants to stir up arguments about staff decisions.
I don't know why Basara brought up stars.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on February 16, 2013, 01:31:04 am
So what you guys are saying is that MissB's claims have no merit. You're suggesting that there is never a clique behavior, where members of this forum gang up on someone who, say, doesn't listen to their feedback for releases. Or breaks either an unwritten rule or says something dumb a few times. No one has ever been driven out of this forum by a mob mentality. There aren't people on this forum, hell on this staff even, that provoke people either at the start of an argument or after one has died down into an completely unnecessary fight and it hasn't even been happening recently. Either you're suggesting that this doesn't happen, or that it doesn't need to be addressed, and in any case I'd disagree with the whole lot of you.
Rajaa, are you saying that MissB HASN'T contributed anything as a member of the staff? That she doesn't give her opinion, especially when it comes to trying to set a standard procedure set up for banning people? Or maybe you don't think her ideas seem reasonable in any way and they're not worth listening to? And do you think a majority of the staff feel that way? I know how I feel about it. Everything she has brought up, even when I disagree with her, has been worth discussing even for a tiny bit. Even with HJK it's worth questioning, though I agree with what happened in the end to him. In the end you've suggested the harm that she's done, as a member of the staff, is waste time discussing whether or not people should be banned instead of acting first and asking questions later. Her crime is 'wasting time'. I think it's important to everyone on this forum that we spend at least some time discussing long term or permanent actions by any member of our staff. Hell how long did we spend discussing what is or isn't porn in comparison to HJK's ban? Did MissB really cause any of us any harm with that, other than you who will not drop this subject at all?
This is ridiculous. Compared to some of the complaints on our staff for things that really have harmed the forum, including for example what I did to Shamrock, MissB 'crimes' of 'wasting time' are negligible.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 16, 2013, 01:33:17 am
No, I'm pretty sure the claim was that this behaviour has decreased, rather than increased, over time, and that the forum is in a much better state than it had been in the past. Let's avoid straw men here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on February 16, 2013, 01:36:05 am
That's good that it's decreased. It doesn't mean that it doesn't still happen, and it doesn't hurt to suggest ways to curve it from happening in the future. Unless you're suggesting that it does hurt to do that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 16, 2013, 01:38:19 am
No, not at all. What I'm trying to say is that MissB claimed that it was recent/increasing/a new problem, and that was what people have rebutted, so your exaggerated sarcastic statement about that never ever possibly happening is unnecessary and missing the point.
No one's denying that some people are dicks. People are denying that we're suddenly more dickish than ever before and that the forum is headed in a bad direction.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on February 16, 2013, 01:39:20 am
It's not a requirement. My comments about her contributions to Mugen were coupled with my comments about her contributions to this forum to ask her what reason she had in being here in the first place if she's not interested in Mugen and only wants to stir up arguments about staff decisions.
I don't know why Basara brought up stars.
Well the fact that I just quoted a piece of a post that was indeed directed at you, and the fact that I felt the need to show this just goes to show you that maybe the things you're saying are not properly elaborated by you, simply because they come off as something else.
That's not the reason she's useless. She's useless because...
Rajaa said:
I wasn't belittling her
...in what parallel universe is saying someone is useless at something, in real life, in a forum or anywhere else, not to be considered belittling? That's like telling someone they suck straight in their face and expecting a handshake in return.
I'm not saying it was your intention to do so, I'm just saying it's pretty silly not to expect reactions like the ones she had. Such as ignoring.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 16, 2013, 01:43:27 am
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...in what parallel universe is saying someone is useless at something, in real life, in a forum or anywhere else, not to be considered belittling?
When it's true, and a problem that needs to be addressed. If someone at my job told me I was useless, and they had a good enough argument to express that it was true, I wouldn't hide and ignore it, I'd do something about it.
Statements of fact are never insults. If those are not statements of fact, the appropriate response is to contest them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on February 16, 2013, 01:43:44 am
No, not at all. What I'm trying to say is that MissB claimed that it was recent/increasing/a new problem, and that was what people have rebutted, so your exaggerated sarcastic statement about that never ever possibly happening is unnecessary and missing the point.
No one's denying that some people are dicks. People are denying that we're suddenly more dickish than ever before and that the forum is headed in a bad direction.
When she's brought this up, including recently and in the past, there's always a string of behavior to go along with it. Not just isolated incidents. Yes, the forum is a better place than it was several years ago. Also, there are times where over the span of a few weeks or months it seems like things are getting worse again because of several instances. I think it's fair to bring up when that is happening, try to find out what's causing it, and discourage it in the future. This includes very recently where because it was brought up we've agreed to deal with several situations in a different manner from now on. Which means it was useful to bring it up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 16, 2013, 01:47:49 am
Sure. I don't pay enough attention (and don't have enough arrogance) to feel like I have a good enough grasp on this forum to tell you how to run it or anything like that. You just made a huge sweeping sarcastic statement that I felt was based on a false assumption, so I tried to address that. I'm not causing issues or anything and I'm fine to bow out of the discussion here.
(Also, psst, it's manner. A manor is a fancy house.)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 16, 2013, 01:50:43 am
I do remember users would go out of their way and stalk the him. They would even go as far as his Mugen Help threads, which was unrelated to the drama, and go ham. When I pointed this out, I was called a white knight, a trap lover, and a pedophile.
Wait, what? I don't recall this ever happening? Link, plz.
Also, in the future, if you see that kind of harassment, report it. That's the only way we'll know about that kind of stuff, and, more importantly, the only way it will stop.
We're not discussing Rajaa's attitude, we're discussing MBH's.
ZS is free to discuss whatever he wants in this thread... well I mean, if it's on topic. And what he posted is. You don't get to dictate the terms of the discussion.
Either you're suggesting that this doesn't happen, or that it doesn't need to be addressed, and in any case I'd disagree with the whole lot of you.
I would also disagree with the notion that there isn't any cliquishness, or people ganging up on others, or whatever. To deny that happening is to deny basic human nature. We may have emerged from the ultra-insular pre-rule change era, but it's not like we're some perfectly welcome and open community. It's something everyone, from mods to users, needs to work on; sure, it's striving towards an admittedly impossible goal, but it improves everyone's experience here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on February 16, 2013, 01:51:52 am
When it's true, and a problem that needs to be addressed. If someone at my job told me I was useless, and they had a good enough argument to express that it was true, I wouldn't hide and ignore it, I'd do something about it.
Statements of fact are never insults. If those are not statements of fact, the appropriate response is to contest them.
Because you wanna get paid. We all have to eat shit and like the taste of it at certain points in life to move up, I get that. But this is not real life and she's not getting paid to endure crap as a moderator on a freaking gaming forum. And I never said ignoring was the proper reaction, I agree it should've been handled better. I just said it's amongst the things that could've happened and did happen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 16, 2013, 01:58:09 am
When it's true, and a problem that needs to be addressed. If someone at my job told me I was useless, and they had a good enough argument to express that it was true, I wouldn't hide and ignore it, I'd do something about it.
Statements of fact are never insults. If those are not statements of fact, the appropriate response is to contest them.
Because you wanna get paid. We all have to eat shit and like the taste of it at certain points in life to move up, I get that. But this is not real life and she's not getting paid to endure crap as a moderator on a freaking gaming forum. And I never said ignoring was the proper reaction, I agree it should've been handled better. I just said it's amongst the things that could've happened and did happen.
I was coming at that more from 'because I want to do a good job at things', I just said 'job' because obviously I'm useless here because I'm not a contributor or mod or anything so the comparison wouldn't work. Regardless of context, if someone has a problem with my behaviour that I judge has merit, I'll try to fix it. That's who I am. I guess that isn't who everyone is?
Getting tangential now though, so whatever. XD
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on February 16, 2013, 02:06:45 am
I do remember users would go out of their way and stalk the him. They would even go as far as his Mugen Help threads, which was unrelated to the drama, and go ham. When I pointed this out, I was called a white knight, a trap lover, and a pedophile.
Wait, what? I don't recall this ever happening? Link, plz.
Late 2011 or early 2012 I think, can't find it as it was a small period of time, but yes there was an issue with Duo befriending Navana a bit. Lately the forum has gotten a lot kinder but I remember the place did have a lot of issues in 2011 with users and arguments all over the place, I remember the drone thing wasn't dropped for months after Bomber, Cap'n, Belial, and I stopped posting much in random topic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on February 16, 2013, 02:12:26 am
It's not a requirement. My comments about her contributions to Mugen were coupled with my comments about her contributions to this forum to ask her what reason she had in being here in the first place if she's not interested in Mugen and only wants to stir up arguments about staff decisions.
I don't know why Basara brought up stars.
Well the fact that I just quoted a piece of a post that was indeed directed at you, and the fact that I felt the need to show this just goes to show you that maybe the things you're saying are not properly elaborated by you, simply because they come off as something else.
That's not the reason she's useless. She's useless because...
Rajaa said:
I wasn't belittling her
...in what parallel universe is saying someone is useless at something, in real life, in a forum or anywhere else, not to be considered belittling? That's like telling someone they suck straight in their face and expecting a handshake in return.
I'm not saying it was your intention to do so, I'm just saying it's pretty silly not to expect reactions like the ones she had. Such as ignoring.
I didn't say she was useless before she began ignoring me, nor did I insult her, so your point is moot, just like hers.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on February 16, 2013, 02:21:47 am
So what you guys are saying is that MissB's claims have no merit. You're suggesting that there is never a clique behavior, where members of this forum gang up on someone who, say, doesn't listen to their feedback for releases. Or breaks either an unwritten rule or says something dumb a few times. No one has ever been driven out of this forum by a mob mentality. There aren't people on this forum, hell on this staff even, that provoke people either at the start of an argument or after one has died down into an completely unnecessary fight and it hasn't even been happening recently. Either you're suggesting that this doesn't happen, or that it doesn't need to be addressed, and in any case I'd disagree with the whole lot of you.
Did someone suggest it never happened ? As far as I could follow the discussion, things blew up because MBH said very vague things, and when asked to elaborate, didn't. It didn't blow up over those things happening or not, it blew up over the refusal to explain something.
We're not discussing Rajaa's attitude, we're discussing MBH's.
ZS is free to discuss whatever he wants in this thread... well I mean, if it's on topic. And what he posted is. You don't get to dictate the terms of the discussion.
Completely not the point and not what I said, AGAIN. I'm not dictating what SHOULD be discussed, I'm underlining what WAS being discussed, so kindly get the fuck off my back instead of misreading me, again. Bringing up "how this was said" and "which wording was used" is irrelevant. It may be on the topic of the argument, but it's a different discussion altogether. I'm saying it's not an adequate answer to the issue that was raised, it's a tangential remark on the overall discussion, which answers nothing of the original problem.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on February 16, 2013, 02:25:51 am
So what you guys are saying is that MissB's claims have no merit. You're suggesting that there is never a clique behavior, where members of this forum gang up on someone who, say, doesn't listen to their feedback for releases. Or breaks either an unwritten rule or says something dumb a few times. No one has ever been driven out of this forum by a mob mentality. There aren't people on this forum, hell on this staff even, that provoke people either at the start of an argument or after one has died down into an completely unnecessary fight and it hasn't even been happening recently. Either you're suggesting that this doesn't happen, or that it doesn't need to be addressed, and in any case I'd disagree with the whole lot of you.
I find this completely irrelevant to the forum BECOMING meaner. Becoming meaner means moving toward meanness, which I don't think is happening. Those things will exist in any community and sub community, and it's not that rampant here to the point at which I don't think there's a mob mentality here, as opposed to some places that claim their forum is an actual team -- and people literally get outcasted more often than not.
Rajaa, are you saying that MissB HASN'T contributed anything as a member of the staff? That she doesn't give her opinion, especially when it comes to trying to set a standard procedure set up for banning people? Or maybe you don't think her ideas seem reasonable in any way and they're not worth listening to? And do you think a majority of the staff feel that way? I know how I feel about it. Everything she has brought up, even when I disagree with her, has been worth discussing even for a tiny bit. Even with HJK it's worth questioning, though I agree with what happened in the end to him. In the end you've suggested the harm that she's done, as a member of the staff, is waste time discussing whether or not people should be banned instead of acting first and asking questions later. Her crime is 'wasting time'. I think it's important to everyone on this forum that we spend at least some time discussing long term or permanent actions by any member of our staff. Hell how long did we spend discussing what is or isn't porn in comparison to HJK's ban? Did MissB really cause any of us any harm with that, other than you who will not drop this subject at all?
This is ridiculous. Compared to some of the complaints on our staff for things that really have harmed the forum, including for example what I did to Shamrock, MissB 'crimes' of 'wasting time' are negligible.
If you read my post, you would understand exactly what I'm saying, I don't really feel like repeating myself. I don't know what the majority of the staff thinks because the majority of the staff hasn't really said anything, but a lot of other people have said things. HJK's ban was not worth questioning. He is only a troll -- he has been a troll for his whole history on this forum; from the alternate accounts to the subliminal and direct messages imbedded in his profile to the spammy (and actual spam), inciting posts out of the blue. Opposing that because of some nonexistent constitution is ridiculous.
Sure, oppose some things, disagree with some things, but don't make that your whole GIMMICK. That porn discussion was even more ridiculous, but Jmorphman doesn't do that EVERY single time as some sort of gimmick or out of some sense of superiority.
Yes, she causes harm because she represents an ongoing gimmick that I have grown to dislike. And apparently I'm not the only one.
Also, to add, she completely snubbed my post because she claimed I was insulting her, when I wasn't, and she was being coy and still is being coy to this very moment, and not only to me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 16, 2013, 02:39:04 am
I'm saying it's not an adequate answer to the issue that was raised, it's a tangential remark on the overall discussion, which answers nothing of the original problem.
And I'm saying that it doesn't matter whether it's tangential or not.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on February 16, 2013, 02:43:02 am
You don't get to dictate the terms of the discussion.
You're saying I'm trying to force people into discussing what I want and not what they want. That's what "dictating the terms of the discussion" means. Stop trying to make me look like a close-minded bully who stomps on anyone who disagrees with me when I'm explaining problems and solutions. Is anyone even interested in FIXING stuff or just arguing about words with more words ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 16, 2013, 02:47:34 am
I think you're reading too deeply into things, and producing readings that have no basis on reality. You did in fact tell ZS that his post was irrelevant ("arguing in circles"), and that's why I said that you should dictate the terms of the discussion.
Now let's get back on topic, shall we? (because this actually is off-topic :P)
Did someone suggest it never happened? As far as I could follow the discussion, things blew up because MBH said very vague things, and when asked to elaborate, didn't. It didn't blow up over those things happening or not, it blew up over the refusal to explain something.
If it is happening, then isn't it useful to have someone on the staff who brings it up? Also it was a lot more complicated than that.
I find this completely irrelevant to the forum BECOMING meaner. Becoming meaner means moving toward meanness, which I don't think is happening. Those things will exist in any community and sub community, and it's not that rampant here to the point at which I don't think there's a mob mentality here, as opposed to some places that claim their forum is an actual team -- and people literally get outcasted more often than not.
While you don't believe the forum is getting meaner, apparently there are times MissB believes it is and feels the need to discuss it. There have been times where I've felt the same way as her, too.
HJK's ban was not worth questioning. He is only a troll -- he has been a troll for his whole history on this forum; from the alternate accounts to the subliminal and direct messages imbedded in his profile to the spammy (and actual spam), inciting posts out of the blue. Opposing that because of some nonexistent constitution is ridiculous.
His ban was initially presented as being for spamming posts in the 'shit thread', and the staff member who banned him circumvented the policy we had been trying out when he did it(preliminary ban, discussion, long term ban. He skipped right to the long term ban). MissB questioned both of these, and I believe it was appropriate for her to do so. I even initially questioned it because of how the ban was carried out. In the end she even agreed that HJK's other behavior combined with his past was a good justification for a long term ban.
Unprovoked attacks and multiple fake accounts are acceptable reasons for a lengthy ban, I have a differing opinion about what you see as "starting fights" though. And I will admit I'm defensive about this ban because it didn't follow procedure....so I will stop claiming it was because what happened in the shit thread.
Sure, oppose some things, disagree with some things, but don't make that your whole GIMMICK. That porn discussion was even more ridiculous, but Jmorphman doesn't do that EVERY single time as some sort of gimmick or out of some sense of superiority.
I believe she's been fairly consistent on what she opposes. It probably seems like she does it more than what she really does because she speaks out more for issues she believes in. I know why you believe it's a gimmick but that doesn't mean that it is. I haven't seen it that way because I have found the issues she brings up to be useful and necessary.
Yes, she causes harm because she represents an ongoing gimmick that I have grown to dislike. And apparently I'm not the only one.
Also, to add, she completely snubbed my post because she claimed I was insulting her, when I wasn't, and she was being coy and still is being coy to this very moment, and not only to me.
Look at it from this point of view. If she sees your message as being inflammatory and does not want to continue the conversation or discuss the issue until it's at least presented in a way that doesn't make, with or without a base, claims about her usefulness and intentions, and questioning her character, that's how she feels about it. In the same way that you feel that her speaking out on bans and rude behavior so often makes you feel like she's being a gimmick that you personally dislike, and how you want to put an end to that. I'm not gonna speak for the way she handled it but I understand. I understand how all of you have handled this and why this has come about.
I like this staff. Having both of you on this staff has and will continue to make this forum a better place. I'd like to work through this and end this issue instead of dragging it on. I tried to stay out of it but it just wouldn't drop so I'll say that I believe what MissB does is useful. I believe what you all do is useful.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on February 16, 2013, 03:17:23 am
My telling her about her faults is not a fault of my own -- that's a horrible way to look at things.
Not to be dismissive, but I'm over it, just so long as she takes this as feedback and thinks about it the next time she wants to oppose just for the sake of opposition. Otherwise, I will bring it up again, because it's not a good attitude, no matter how much the "devil's advocate" is needed.
And also as long as she stops being ridiculously coy and self entitled.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on February 16, 2013, 03:40:50 am
I didn't say she was useless before she began ignoring me, nor did I insult her, so your point is moot, just like hers.
I know this topic is getting old, Rajaa, but I'm having trouble understanding you here. It seems to me like you're saying that her actions, or rather, in your point of view, lack thereof wasn't what made her "useless", but the fact that she ignored you? Or would the case be that you somewhat "snapped" at her silent reactions and then came clean about what you really felt like saying to her? I don't see a third possibility here.
But anywho, just so people know, I'm not trying to white-knight anyone here. I'm just saying things the way I see them, no more, no less. I can safely say I have indeed experienced a situation where a person tried to force their opinion in a clan I used to be a part of. It was quite worse than this, but I can still see why some people react the way they do. I do, however, know for a fact that if this person just sat down and made suggestions to the more experienced portion of the team and learned from the answers instead of insisting to flick off people he could learn from, I would still be in that clan.
I'm not sure how many people feel that this is the kind of situation the staff's in, though, since I'm not a member of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on February 16, 2013, 03:44:43 am
If you can't understand that in relation to all the other posts I and others have made on this subject, then any further clarification would be futile because the problem is clearly your own.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ESFAndy011 on February 16, 2013, 06:20:54 am
Hm... I guess you're right, I might've misinterpreted some things. I still believe both of you could've solved this thing a lot better, though. I'm not against either one of you, to be quite honest.
Just trying to see things correctly here, because if this staff collapsed somehow because of silly things and arguments, just when things have improved considerably in the forum, that would suck.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on February 16, 2013, 06:33:54 am
Staff is not collapsing over this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 16, 2013, 01:43:59 pm
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It's a gimmick that she rarely agrees with the rest of us? That's ridiculous.
It really, really isn't, and it's not the first time I've seen someone be contrarian for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on February 16, 2013, 03:21:27 pm
It's a gimmick that she rarely agrees with the rest of us? That's ridiculous.
It really, really isn't, and it's not the first time I've seen someone be contrarian for the sake of it.
Oh trust me, I will question my motives before I start objecting like a cheap lawyer. Rajaa, I apologize for ignoring you. I still think you were aggressive, insulting and bullying but I could have handled it better.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on February 16, 2013, 03:46:16 pm
Stop that bullshit. Thinking you do a terrible job and have a terrible attitude and telling you so isn't bullying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 16, 2013, 04:01:15 pm
like I said in the staff thread, I believe missb was way too vague, lack of communication is what brings conflict , not too much communication. Im expecting things to not be as vague next time there is something to discuss.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 17, 2013, 10:33:03 pm
The general staff is doing a good job with duckass, he is young as has trouble with english, but he is interested in making mugen stuff (if he was not it would really be better to get rid of him), he is like a young warner so maybe he grows into one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 18, 2013, 03:33:24 pm
there's no need to bother valodim with low priority issues like making it so reports can't be used by banned users. it barely happens. just tell dncelestin that if he reports anything during his ban he'll have his reading permissions revoked too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on February 18, 2013, 03:44:38 pm
I think it's been used twice by banned users in the last 8 hours. Revoking reading permissions for people using the report feature to communicate sounds like a good idea.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 18, 2013, 03:58:22 pm
celestin kept using it because nobody told him to stop until now and zeroz used it because he's an idiot. it's an issue that can be fixed through simple posts and actions.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on February 18, 2013, 04:16:06 pm
It's happened enough in the past that I feel it's worth addressing. Banned users are not supposed to be able to report posts and every time I've seen it done they've used it to continue drama that caused them to be banned in the first place.
Why should we continue to have to tell everyone that does it not to do it when it could be fixed so that it doesn't happen? Assuming it can be. It's been a problem for years.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 18, 2013, 04:19:05 pm
here is an idea, ban them more. like, revoke their reading access if they do that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on February 18, 2013, 04:22:55 pm
We could do that but I'd rather it not come to that. Bans are usually supposed to be strictly from posting. What you're suggesting [E] is what we can already do, I don't think we've ever needed to do it though(at least recently).
Removing reports for banned users just makes things easier, not having to tell every banned person not to report posts or else they'll be BANNED MORE.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on February 18, 2013, 05:32:34 pm
We could do that but I'd rather it not come to that. Bans are usually supposed to be strictly from posting. What you're suggesting [E] is what we can already do, I don't think we've ever needed to do it though(at least recently).
Removing reports for banned users just makes things easier, not having to tell every banned person not to report posts or else they'll be BANNED MORE.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 18, 2013, 08:56:46 pm
Oh. Well, I dunno then. :|
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on February 18, 2013, 09:10:57 pm
As a request, I was wondering if I could get my old account un-banned? I have to go through a bit of trouble to somehow get the updated versions of Scarlet on here and with this talk of "banned users can't report posts",just makes things a bit harder for me to get the new links on here. I mean, I want to be able to get constructive criticism on Scarlet and this is the best to get some. But whenever wargame10 or someone else posts a thread about her release, it isn't met with any feedback.
I mean, I'm having to rely on the knowledge I have as of now. Plus there's a lot of discussion threads that I'd like to put my input in. Look, I'm not the jerk I was before.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on February 18, 2013, 09:12:47 pm
Jmorph: We could always switch to doing it that way. If it's not an IP ban, banned users should be able to still read the forum without logging in.
Reporting posts when you're banned is a forum bug though. You aren't supposed to be able to do it. Hmm...I have this nagging feeling that this has been brought up to Val in the past and that it would be a pain in the ass to fix. Hey if any of you get banned and you keep reporting posts you won't be able to login anymore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on February 18, 2013, 09:25:09 pm
But whenever wargame10 or someone else posts a thread about her release, it isn't met with any feedback.
I don't think you posting it will make any difference
Because of my reputation in the past or because she's a edit of Len?
Had to do with your past and the part that you're begging for an unban. It's not gonna help.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on February 18, 2013, 09:34:43 pm
So, the amount of work I put into improving her everyday is pointless?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 18, 2013, 09:35:48 pm
If you think it is, then yes.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on February 18, 2013, 09:37:01 pm
I wouldn't say pointless, it's good to put in work but last time people didn't want to unban you dude, I don't assume that'll change. But who knows.. just wait for some more staff input. You made stupid decisions before, it'd be a shame if those past actions affected you now that a long time has passed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hurricane2s on February 18, 2013, 09:38:37 pm
I'm curious, but is that Luigi1632 I see here?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on February 18, 2013, 09:39:03 pm
If I don't get un-banned... then it's like I'm only improving Scarlet for myself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 18, 2013, 09:39:54 pm
If you're only improving her for yourself, why are you releasing her? Good grief, no feedback does not equal no downloads.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on February 18, 2013, 09:42:15 pm
I release her, so I can get feedback and learn more. Heck, some feedback on I received on that least-favored site, IMT, got to pay attention to pausetime and such.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on February 18, 2013, 09:50:15 pm
I guess yes (http://www.infinitymugenteam.com/Forum_345/index.php?topic=39593.0)
Wait a minute... if you made an alternate account here to post and complain about being unbanned your original account, why don't you use this "Kurai" account you made and post it by yourself??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on February 18, 2013, 09:52:23 pm
I guess yes (http://www.infinitymugenteam.com/Forum_345/index.php?topic=39593.0)
Wait a minute... if you made an alternate account here to post and complain about being unbanned your original account, why don't you use this "Kurai" account you made and post it by yourself??
But it probably wouldn't last too long.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on February 18, 2013, 09:58:32 pm
Depends, if you haven't change a bit from the time you were banned, I say you're right.
But I hope that's not happens and you demostrate a better attitude to stay here in the forum. As I read in the IMT release thread, you want real feedback and here there're a lot of new people who makes good feedback apart of the known ones. Also, I agree about what O Ilusionista said in that thread:
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Nice attitude. This is how the big ones does.
I doubt they will laugh at you by this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on February 18, 2013, 10:02:43 pm
Well I'll just go back to revising my novel and working on Scarlet for a while.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
I would mention the novel progress stuff, but would go off-topic
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 18, 2013, 11:09:50 pm
You might reach an agreement in which you only post in the release threads adn if you behave well you get allowed to post in the wip threads; I think it has been done before.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on February 19, 2013, 12:32:53 am
Hey Kurai, we decided to give you another chance so I'm unbanning your old account and merging the new one with it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 19, 2013, 12:33:29 am
Why not just merge them (after unbanning the old one)?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on February 19, 2013, 12:34:19 am
I might do that, haven't decided yet. It's a pain, alright!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on February 19, 2013, 12:38:39 am
Caddie es numero uno
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 19, 2013, 12:39:18 am
Caddie for Gmo-oh wait. Caddie for Admi-oh wait. Umm, Caddie for super Admin!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 19, 2013, 12:50:07 am
Caddie for forum programmer, as a start he should start fixing the "banned users can report posts" bug
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 27, 2013, 03:24:05 am
>AxKing's ban expires. >AxKing keeps on preaching. I don't think the three days ban worked as intended.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 27, 2013, 03:27:33 am
>Le meme arrow
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 27, 2013, 03:34:34 am
>AxKing's ban expires. >AxKing keeps on preaching. I don't think the three days ban worked as intended.
He wasn't banned for preaching, he was banned for spamming his preaching in a bunch of topics. And now he's restricted to the shit thread.
So yes, the ban did work.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on February 27, 2013, 03:05:05 pm
I wonder what's happenning to him. I mean, he got cool projects and a good behavior, and from nothing he become the "Jehovah's Witness" of Guild. Is he looking to be banned with a purpose?? Or he just lied about his personality all this time until now??
Also, as I read in Warnings, I agree about a ban after his recent comeback is too early. Apart of direct warnings, I say delete his posts when he derails and spams with his God speech, and mention him with the warning message, no matter if it's in the shit thread Forget what I said, he was banned again... if Ax wanted that, he achieved it now...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on February 27, 2013, 05:43:31 pm
Considering Ax's new post on his alt account:
I'm not condoning breaking protocol here but is a 2 year ban really going to do anything? He already stated his intentions of not coming back here again, so is a ban of that length really going to accomplish anything?
On the other hand, if you are going to ban him for an extended period of time, you may as well make it permanent. Force him to eat his words in the event he ever decides to change his mind and start preaching lynching minorities and other pro-KKK propaganda in 3 years.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on February 27, 2013, 06:38:42 pm
The point is that he can't be himself anymore. If he comes back as someone else and we don't know, tough shit for us, however, it would mean that we officially got rid of hate speech and flame baiting, so our duties are done, nonetheless. Unless his new account starts up something stupid, he won't be noticed. I'm 100% sure dozens of users have changed their information and came back as different people, if we don't know who they are or what accounts they are using, then our bans worked, one way or another. They're the ones that have to be in disguise and hold back comments they would usually be able to post if they were their normal selves.
We are aware of the flaws of banning someone online. And just because someone said they won't come back, doesn't mean they won't come back.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 27, 2013, 06:44:56 pm
Tons of people use that as an excuse for things like backing down from a battle or even to try to plead out of a ban. Nine times out of ten people don't seem to hold themselves to it on the internet.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 27, 2013, 06:55:08 pm
two years is pretty much forever on the internet, the worse that can happen is what just happened with the guy titiln banned, who came back asking to post his mugen works to get feedback and the staff had already forgotten why he got banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on February 27, 2013, 07:02:09 pm
Points taken. I wasn't advocating not banning him, I just felt 2 years was too short in comparison. iirc, wasnt his first account banned almost 2 years ago? If he couldnt change in those 2 years then odds are he wont change.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on February 28, 2013, 04:23:14 am
Just a general thing for those of you who may feel like you want to start anew. Trashing your topics or requesting that you can swap accounts to leave the other stuff behind you doesn't work.
If you slip in your quest for a fresh start and someone recognises you, or alternatively someone outs you. All you get is flack and you are actually just as badly off as before because everyone sees you trying to hide.
Embrace your past, accept it, and then try to improve. Show people you aren't who you were. Don't hide behind a new name and a new account. If people are going to bring up your past they will do it regardless of your new name/account. What should be important is who you are trying to be. If that means your past has some crap in it, that's something you have to live with because that crap will always be there.
Also it means we don't need to do any obnoxious work.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on March 01, 2013, 05:41:36 pm
Well said Cyanide, I agree with your post! :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Astral-kun on March 03, 2013, 09:37:44 pm
about GrayIce why dont you just delete the alternate account and give the original a 6 Hour or 1-Day Ban or Just a Warning in a PM asking not to do it again or a Ban is next on his list
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 03, 2013, 09:38:28 pm
make this man gmod
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on March 03, 2013, 09:45:12 pm
You're not a mod/gmod/admin dnceles, you don't get to decide what to do for a user that goes against the rules.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Astral-kun on March 03, 2013, 09:48:28 pm
about GrayIce why dont you just delete the alternate account and give the original a 6 Hour or 1-Day Ban or Just a Warning in a PM asking not to do it again or a Ban is next on his list
Uh, we're fine? We can handle this stuff. :|
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 03, 2013, 10:18:06 pm
Well I'm Sorry Everyone if that Sounded Offensive to u I Really Am
you werent offensive to anyone. dont worry that much.
Is that what dncelestinx96 told you to say ?
I swear upon my Right Hand I didn't
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 04, 2013, 02:28:12 am
* C.A.N takes out a cleaver *
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Nah, just kidding.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on March 04, 2013, 04:42:13 am
This thread is for stuff in the Warnings Thread., it's not a place where users come to suggest bans.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 04, 2013, 05:29:24 am
Nor is it the place for you all to have a fun little discussion and make jokes. We have plenty of threads for that, we would like to keep this one understandable rather than full of wise cracks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 08, 2013, 11:47:07 pm
regarding wild tengu, ,maybe he lost access to his old email, has happened to me before.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 09, 2013, 12:02:08 am
Doubt it. He used his other account a few days ago. Anal Arts Ryu or whatever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 20, 2013, 11:48:41 pm
mbh said:
There's nothing in the rules about posting links to porn sites
the rules said:
Anything "hardcore" is obviously out of bounds.
i know you often play devil's advocate for the sake of playing devil's advocate, but come on
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on March 20, 2013, 11:53:09 pm
I thought thats referring to images posted.
I didnt see the links Duck posted, so I guess I shouldnt be commenting on it. I'm sure not arguing that people should be allowed to post porn links all over.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 21, 2013, 12:23:46 am
Porn really is off limits. We kinda accept nsfw which is straight nudity if tagged correctly. Genuine porn is a no-no.
Characters can bypass this slightly as we can't control the contents of a release so well.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 21, 2013, 12:45:52 am
characters are relevant to mugen creation, even if they have porn, whereas a pure porn site is not; similar to how video game background music has been handled.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 21, 2013, 12:48:50 am
the idea that "I havent seen the links so I dont know" is pretty bogus too. its a porn site, you shouldnt be linking to a porn site from guild. Its not "maybe if they do only vanilla porn it can be linked mid discussion about politics" .
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on March 21, 2013, 01:04:38 am
As I explained, I thought that section of the rules was about images posted, not things linked to. Now I know it isnt.
It is NOT bogus that I didn't see Duck's links. I didn't see them, so I have no idea what they were. If other staff say they were porn, then I believe they were porn.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 21, 2013, 01:13:08 am
Someone brought up the link expressly noting it was porn, and then you responded later on by saying you didn't see the porn, while accepting that there was a link. It totally sounds like you're doubting that said link was in fact porn.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 21, 2013, 03:17:39 am
As I explained, I thought that section of the rules was about images posted, not things linked to. Now I know it isnt.
It is NOT bogus that I didn't see Duck's links. I didn't see them, so I have no idea what they were. If other staff say they were porn, then I believe they were porn.
i wasnt talking about you not seeing them. I was referring to you reacting to someone telling you that there was porn posted with "The rules dont disallow it" even if there wasnt a line in the rules referring to posting hardcore porn , would it be needed to be written down for it to be an staff interventing issue? It really makes no difference that you didnt see them, you were posting on the assumption that they were there, you dont need to see a porn link to have a decision on either its okay or not to post it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on March 21, 2013, 09:23:28 am
I already admitted I was wrong, what do you guys want? Blood?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on March 21, 2013, 09:31:25 am
Since you, we..everyone knows there are a ton of dumb people on this planet..in the internet and yeah..they make their way to MFG as well, GBK thought he has to add something to the convo.
So maybe it would be useful to update the rules thread and make it one big..easy to overview post instead of a thread with over 10 posts which add one or another rule or change something.
Write in clear words, make it obvious that linking to porn is not allowed.
Make it also clear that multiple accounts are not allowed if those are a problem
MFG is a wonderful organized place, you the staff are doing a good job, and i say that as someone who got banned 1 time as you know. Just the rules could be a bit clearer for the dummies maybe. Write up there whats important even if you believe its something obvious like not trolling, flaming, posting racist stuff or pretending to be someone else.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on March 21, 2013, 09:44:59 am
I guarantee if any one person read the rules in their current state, they would understand what is allowed and what isn't. People who want to break the rules or don't care about forum rules will break them regardless of how clear the rules are.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 21, 2013, 02:22:18 pm
when these kind of things happen it's because the rules aren't clear enough or because the culprit is a fucking idiot and in the case of duckss it's the latter. people that make alt accounts are still going to make alt accounts even if a long paragraph about that is added to the rules. it's probably not needed.
I already admitted I was wrong, what do you guys want? Blood?
at this point i'm just trying to understand your thought process regarding these things.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on March 21, 2013, 02:44:53 pm
I Obviously misread and/or misunderstood the rules.
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Mild nudity ("boobs + butt") and more aesthetic stuff is ok clearly marked as NSFW, preferably put into a
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
tag.
I thought this was images posted, I understand now it's links.
Quote
Anything "hardcore" is obviously out of bounds.
I thought this was images posted, I understand now it's links as well.
I do understand the difference between mild and hardcore since I debated jmorphman's obscene image was against the rules. It was changed to a link the last I saw, and marked NSFW, which I thought was within the rules. I dont have a clue where that is now (I looked for it briefly last night) and it's possible the link has since been removed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 21, 2013, 02:49:46 pm
It is NOT bogus that I didn't see Duck's links. I didn't see them, so I have no idea what they were. If other staff say they were porn, then I believe they were porn.
Someone brought up the link expressly noting it was porn, and then you responded later on by saying you didn't see the porn, while accepting that there was a link. It totally sounds like you're doubting that said link was in fact porn.
Specifically, you think not actually seeing DuckSS' link is relevant.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on March 21, 2013, 08:00:43 pm
Guys and gurls, the only allowed porn links (images, videos, sites, etc) in a forum... is in a porn forum. In every other non-porn forum that isn't allowed, this is something implicit everyone should know, especially with the mod status on it (being normal one or global one). About ASSDuck, when someone said "serbian porn? that exists?" and he answers "yeah, there it is", I didn't have to see those link to assume it was porn (and amateur porn what I saw there), so there's no excuse about "not to see it".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 21, 2013, 09:00:53 pm
I Obviously misread and/or misunderstood the rules.
Quote
Mild nudity ("boobs + butt") and more aesthetic stuff is ok clearly marked as NSFW, preferably put into a
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
tag.
I thought this was images posted, I understand now it's links.
Quote
Anything "hardcore" is obviously out of bounds.
I thought this was images posted, I understand now it's links as well.
I do understand the difference between mild and hardcore since I debated jmorphman's obscene image was against the rules. It was changed to a link the last I saw, and marked NSFW, which I thought was within the rules. I dont have a clue where that is now (I looked for it briefly last night) and it's possible the link has since been removed.
Its global, its not just pics or just links either. Some discernment of whoever is modding might apply but its never as wide as the case where not beng specifically said in the rules that something like that isnt allowed makes it okay.
There is a lot of things that are assumed good behaviour on the internet, it includes spamming, using racist epithefs, using other pages to just post publicity to your page, homophobic comments, photoshopping the face of the person you are arguing with into bestiality pic and even posting porn. You dont have to have a rule specifically telling people not to photoshop others into bestiality pics for it to be frowned upon, there is no way anyone can think that would be needed. You dont need to have a rule telling people not to get alternate accounts either, or to not circuvent bans.
i'm going to add more rules since people are complaining that some "obvious" things are not so obvious
- Do not make secondary accounts - Do not try to circumvent your bans - The report button is for reports. Do not use it for anything else. - Do not get account names with offensive names (i.e. Nigger Faggot Fucker or LATINO COCK CUMS IN MY VAGINA) - If you're a bot your account will be deleted. - Do not use giant font sizes for all of your posts. Use giant font size wisely. - Do not claim to not care about celebrity death. Or death in general. This is rude. - Do not call people shitheads. - Do not ignore points mid-discussion - Do not make the same thread several times - Do not post with missing vowels. - Do not use this forum as a chatroom. If you want quick direct communication with another user use MSN or AIM or some other messaging service. - Do not post with numbers instead of letters. - Posts in all caps might be deleted depending on several factors, such as post length, the poster/post being funny or not and the moderator that noticed the post. Staff works under the assumption that something funny "makes you laugh or chuckle a bit". - Racism will not be tolerated unless it's funny - Do not make threads of bullet points of suggestions enormously large where all the suggestions are really obvious stuff, you are not a developer, development doesn't work that way. - Do not reply to threads without reading the whole posts before that one, in case you do post without reading, include a line stating the same. - Do not post a lot of images that are unrelated to the thread. Your post will be deleted unless the images are funny. They usually are not. - Moderators shall use context and relevance on decision of necrobumps permanence, if a thread has under five posts , it might be allowed even with few content, if it has more than five, then the necrobump will only be allowed in case the person is the original op. - Homophobic behavior will not be tolerated unless it comes from gay people. - Do not be an asshole, definition of asshole inclludes questioning someone sexuality, posting their face on porn pictures, reply to threads where you have no actual interest to publicize your own endeavours, post torrents, question the taste in music of the other persons, question the taste in games of the other person, questioning the superiority of the American race. - Posts about Mortal Kombat will be ridiculed. - Nazi symbolism should be avoided. Unless it's really funny. KKK symbolism is always allowed. - Drug addicts should refrain from mentioning their drugs unless they brought enough for everyone. - Do not post pictures of your penis. - Do not post pictures of your vaginahahaha there are no girls here anyway - Do not talk about bad anime (definition of bad anime in addendum section 42-1) - Do not troll other users unless you use sophisticated humor, have attention to detail and use no more than thirty percent sarcasm.
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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 21, 2013, 09:48:07 pm
There is a lot of things that are assumed good behaviour on the internet, it includes spamming, using racist epithefs, using other pages to just post publicity to your page, homophobic comments, photoshopping the face of the person you are arguing with into bestiality pic and even posting porn. You dont have to have a rule specifically telling people not to photoshop others into bestiality pics for it to be frowned upon,
you said you wre nto going to talk about jango anymore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on March 22, 2013, 02:02:23 pm
Cyanide said:
I don't think new accounts should be merged unless the person in question really really wants their username changed. Like if MBH wanted it to say MissBHaven instead. Or Rajaa wanted RajaaBoy back. Simply changing for the fuck of it, no.
There's an option to do that in the user profile, no? So why should creating a second account be considered for that purpose? It just seems redundant.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Dragon-Kid on March 22, 2013, 06:29:47 pm
How about putting the Youtube button for replies?
It seems that most users doesn't put the youtube code to post videos, unless some YouTube users restrict showing in it:
Code:
[youtube]video code[/youtube]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 22, 2013, 11:05:10 pm
When you hover you get the original name of the account, not the current one, i meant that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2013, 10:03:33 am
I can edit that if someone really wants to change it, so making a new alt account because they want to change the name is unnecessary
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on March 23, 2013, 07:04:03 pm
Please don't, some people change their name so much around here I lose track of who they are and have to hover just to make sure.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on March 23, 2013, 09:26:31 pm
Agreed. If people can also switch this, then there's no way to tell who's who anymore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 23, 2013, 09:53:39 pm
Speaking of which, who was that Medicine Melancholy fellow?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 23, 2013, 09:55:01 pm
Navana.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 23, 2013, 10:30:47 pm
Oh. Well whatever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 24, 2013, 06:22:45 am
remind me again, was he banned forever as in FOREVER! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLkc1huIBCo) or forever as in "i quit the mugen forever"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on March 24, 2013, 06:31:44 am
The former
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on March 24, 2013, 10:18:17 am
Keep like it is now, it's better (in regard to the name - username thing), I support Sean Altly point of view.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 24, 2013, 11:41:02 am
remind me again, was he banned forever as in FOREVER! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLkc1huIBCo) or forever as in "i quit the mugen forever"
He got banned FOREVER! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLkc1huIBCo), after repeatedly lying to people, getting caught and straight up denying it ( like that new infantry site thing, denying it was him even tho both profiles were halves of the same magic the gathering card ) then turning around and changing his guild profile to be all about "join my new infantry site", as a punishment his profile got blanked. After that he started attempting to provoke people to respond to him, was told not to, and when forbidden to do it created a new account to troll people with. At that point Bhaven banned him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on March 24, 2013, 11:45:23 am
It was a Yu Gi Oh card. :P And about the merging accounts discussion, hmmm... isn't there another way to keep all of the alternate accounts post histories separated but for the same profile? Like linking a profile to the other (done by a moderator) or something like that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 24, 2013, 11:59:09 am
too much work for what is worth and supposed to be forbidden =P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Astral-kun on March 28, 2013, 12:54:39 am
I was banned? for some reason I couldnt get access to the forum and Iced u was banning me for Trolling not wasting people's time
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 28, 2013, 12:56:44 am
is that a way of saying "ban me again for I dont think what I did was wrong"?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Astral-kun on March 28, 2013, 12:59:13 am
u was banning me for Trolling not wasting people's time
the point of trolling is wasting people's time
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on March 28, 2013, 04:32:23 pm
Dncelestinx, just don't make that kind of things again and get a good behavior with other users, that's all. You don't want to piss off (again) Iced and the rest of the mods/admins...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 28, 2013, 05:27:16 pm
you shouldn't be concerned about pissing off staff members as you should be concerned about pissing off users that are doing nothing harmful
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on April 06, 2013, 09:09:44 pm
Just saw that Cyanide asked to no longer be a Mod. Not sure what the reason is for the abrupt departure, but I just wanted to say that I personally appreciate all that you've done for the forum and for Mugen, especially in the Development Help section. You've been here a long time, so I understand that can take its toll, as can rude or unappreciative people. I hope everything works out and that you can come back one day. Good luck, sir.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on April 06, 2013, 09:21:28 pm
It's not as abrupt as it might seem to you, Cyande told us he had lost most interest in his mod position and the forum as a whole two weeks ago.
His wishes to spend his remaining years lurking quietly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on April 06, 2013, 09:35:14 pm
It's not as abrupt as it might seem to you, Cyande told us he had lost most interest in his mod position and the forum as a whole two weeks ago.
His wishes to spend his remaining years lurking quietly.
he's been feeling that way for far longer.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jotaro K. on April 06, 2013, 11:00:58 pm
This may not be important to the mods on MFG, but I just wanted to let you guys know that guy name Zeroz was also causing a problem on MFFA. Again, probably not that important to you guys but I just wanted to make you aware that his trolling extends elsewhere..
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 07, 2013, 12:54:14 am
He does it everywhere. GLB can back me up on that, as well as what I dealt with during my time as a CSX admin speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 07, 2013, 02:00:16 am
He does it everywhere. GLB can back me up on that, as well as what I dealt with during my time as a CSX admin speaks for itself.
Do you know when he first started doing this and why?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 07, 2013, 02:56:15 am
I've seen him do it as early as 2009 but that was when there was a battle between a group of users and staff at MI. 2011 or so he really let loose on CSX. That's all I remember.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jotaro K. on April 07, 2013, 03:01:14 am
I've seen him do it as early as 2009 but that was when there was a battle between a group of users and staff at MI. 2011 or so he really let loose on CSX. That's all I remember.
Wow, that's sad. I can't believe people are that devoted to spreading hatred.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on April 08, 2013, 06:23:22 am
Zeroz said:
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o let me get this straight, I'm gonna get perma banned for making fun of something Sean said? I haven't had an altercation with him since I got banned so I dunno what in the hell is so wrong to make a joke out of something about Wrestling, because he's not the only person who's told me the exact same thing about calling wrestlers by their real names
I wanted to address this since I saw it in the Warnings thread. If he admits that I'm not the first person to point this out to him, why did he feel the need to not only "piss on my thread" (his words) but accuse me of using "any chance" to bring up that I used to be a wrestler? If more than one person has said this to him, why call me out personally, derail my thread, attack me and accuse of me of attention whoring? If I wasn't the first person to say this, shouldn't he assume that the notion does have some merit and that I'm not bringing it up just to bring it up?
He also seems to lean on the fact that his new profile "offended no one" and that no one complained. Well, in the original altercation, the person I was addressing didn't argue at all, apologized, and edited his previous comment. Yet Zeroz felt the need to jump in and fuck up my thread way after the fact. Seems pretty hypocritical to me. Dude is a troll, his new profile was trolling me, and he's not going to convince me it wasn't. If he didn't "care" about me, he wouldn't still be bitter about the whole thing. He wouldn't feel the need to alter his entire profile because of it. He wouldn't refer to me as "almighty god Seanalty" if he didn't care.
When I saw his new profile, I put him on Ignore. I didn't call him out on it publicly, I didn't PM him or derail any threads. I talked to a GMod about it because I felt like it was meant to provoke me. I handled this in the best way I possibly could outside of flat-out ignoring it, which is hard to do when 90% of his post history is in a thread that I'm fairly active in.
Whatever you guys decide to do, I respect it. I'm just letting you know how I feel about it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on April 08, 2013, 08:25:12 am
He seems to have an obsession with you, Sean. He can't live without trying to offend you in any way.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on April 08, 2013, 03:24:34 pm
He seems to have an obsession with you, Sean. He can't live without trying to offend you in any way.
Just remember that if he ever sends a hitman halfway across the country or some stupid shit, nothing will change the fact that he still idolizes that SeanAltly face tattooed on his leg.
And yeah, that was a reference to that foiled Justin Beiber murder plot a few months back.
Anyway, I just saw Zeroz's altercation with a few people on MFFA. I didnt see what originally happened in the chat, but I'll just leave this here:
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Zeroz Glisp prays death upon me and threatened violence, gets' sympathy, I retaliate and I get banned from the chat, got these mods are fucken stupid. Apr 05 2013 05:20 PM · Unlock · Lock · Approve
ClassicSuperSonic You do know most of those things were said out of anger. I honestly hate your guts zeroz. Technically, you provoked most of the crap I said. Apr 05 2013 07:36 PM
Zeroz Actually, You started making death threats to me around the time me and dissidia were feuding..something you should have never tried getting involved with in the first place. Apr 05 2013 07:39 PM
ClassicSuperSonic Well just fucking drop it Zeroz. There's a reason I used to defend Diss. I thought he was my fucking friend but even that was false. So you know what, the fact you're continuing the bullshit is a moot point. I just fucking want to move on and forget about it but that won't work because you have to bring it up every five fucking minutes. There's a reason I hate you Zeroz and it's because you don't know when enough is enough. I've had it with your smug attitude and d... Apr 05 2013 07:45 PM
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Zeroz Poor Glisp, no matter how much shit you talk, I still win. Apr 03 2013 08:05 PM · Unlock · Lock · Approve
From what I can tell, it was something insignificant yet he refuses to drop it. Yeah, he's not changing. Here or on MFFA.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zeroz on April 08, 2013, 09:36:28 pm
In MFFA, eh, I asked for it, dude making death threats to me for something that happened years ago, and I wasn't the only one taking jabs at him during that altercation, I suggest to whomever mentioned this to put the rest of the story that you seemingly forgot to mention.
Gill also forgot that I already fixed my problems with CSX and even Syn, you can ask if you want.
GLB can also verify that I don't "troll" most of the time, as I was usually helping him and his team with the Newage Forum.
Spreading hatred, oh you kids these days.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GLB on April 08, 2013, 10:58:31 pm
This may not be important to the mods on MFG, but I just wanted to let you guys know that guy name Zeroz was also causing a problem on MFFA. Again, probably not that important to you guys but I just wanted to make you aware that his trolling extends elsewhere..
Why is MFFA relevant to MFG? Nobody cares what happens there that attends here. Sure it could help with the "trolling" not being an exclusive thing here, but other than that it's not even worth mentioning publicly because nobody cares.
He does it everywhere. GLB can back me up on that, as well as what I dealt with during my time as a CSX admin speaks for itself.
I'd prefer not to be a party to the situation, as I am neutral.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Anti-11 on April 08, 2013, 11:04:23 pm
so let me get this straight you guys bring a problem here from MFFA to MFG thinking they going to pity you for what zeroz did man to me it sounds like you just want nothing but attention grow up and learn how to ignore petty crap such as these
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Dissidia on April 08, 2013, 11:10:50 pm
Why is MFFA relevant to MFG? Nobody cares what happens there that attends here. Sure it could help with the "trolling" not being an exclusive thing here, but other than that it's not even worth mentioning publicly because nobody cares.
This. What occurred with MFFA should handle their situation on their own, not pile up the mess on here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ryon on April 08, 2013, 11:14:01 pm
Why is MFFA relevant to MFG? Nobody cares what happens there that attends here. Sure it could help with the "trolling" not being an exclusive thing here, but other than that it's not even worth mentioning publicly because nobody cares.
This. What occurred with MFFA should handle their situation on their own, not pile up the mess on here.
This. What ever happens there stays there, I dont know why its here. in anycase these guys have been arguing with each other for a long time, so if i may intervene, both of you shut the hell up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zeroz on April 08, 2013, 11:15:01 pm
Pay me 500 bucks and I will say sorry.
But in all honesty, I would of hoped how the staff was handling my bans would stay in the staff discussion instead of being in here. You see what you did?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on April 08, 2013, 11:22:58 pm
This thread is just to get an opinion of what happens in Staff subforum, they only decide there and here it's just a cortesy thread where normal users can express about their decisions. If they don't want to share what decide about your case, any of us can't do anything about that, so just deal with it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zeroz on April 08, 2013, 11:38:59 pm
My problem with MFFA had nothing to do with this forum. and nobody cared about me being banned until that fool decided to mention something I did..SOMEWHERE ELSE.
Your post is now irrelevant as Wanderer's.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on April 08, 2013, 11:44:08 pm
Nope, you're wrong. I wasn't talking about MFFA stuff, I don't post there and I don't know a shit about your past there, so it's irrelevant to me too. I was answering you to this especifically:
But in all honesty, I would of hoped how the staff was handling my bans would stay in the staff discussion instead of being in here. You see what you did?
The staff subforum can be seen for anyone with account here (or at least for the ones with one special star, like contribuitors). Like this thread, this is a transparency decision of Guild staff to all of us. You can be banned for the actual drama you made against Sean, it's nothing about your past on MFFA
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on April 08, 2013, 11:54:02 pm
Staff is visible to everyone, as I don't have a star and can see it just fine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on April 09, 2013, 12:03:18 am
Hi Guys
I want to be GMod again. I don't want to be "part of the staff" per se, as the socio-political arguments going on in the staff section have very little relevance to the sections I read, but I'd still like to provide some feedback to some of the comments that happen in the Staff Section.
Moreover, my main goal being a GMod, is the position of Senior Janitorship of being able to move, edit posts, titles, quoted images and so on that bother me so much, and I used to do when I had the position, and I resent not having anymore. I know you already have a semi-mexican GMod in Cyan Paul, but I offer you 100% the real deal, and I won't abuse my power or ban absolutely anyone.
What do you guys say?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on April 09, 2013, 12:05:10 am
That MFFA thing seems like it was brought up to show your behavior elsewhere, it does seem hateful but that's what I get from it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Anti-11 on April 09, 2013, 12:12:50 am
one does simply not ask to be a gmod
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 09, 2013, 12:32:02 am
walt's going to delete my posts don't make him gmod
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on April 09, 2013, 12:34:44 am
I want to be GMod again. I don't want to be "part of the staff" per se, as the socio-political arguments going on in the staff section have very little relevance to the sections I read, but I'd still like to provide some feedback to some of the comments that happen in the Staff Section.
Moreover, my main goal being a GMod, is the position of Senior Janitorship of being able to move, edit posts, titles, quoted images and so on that bother me so much, and I used to do when I had the position, and I resent not having anymore. I know you already have a semi-mexican GMod in Cyan Paul, but I offer you 100% the real deal, and I won't abuse my power or ban absolutely anyone.
What do you guys say?
Let me log into my Caddie account and I'll set you up!
:bow:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on April 09, 2013, 12:54:06 am
This may not be important to the mods on MFG, but I just wanted to let you guys know that guy name Zeroz was also causing a problem on MFFA. Again, probably not that important to you guys but I just wanted to make you aware that his trolling extends elsewhere..
Why is MFFA relevant to MFG? Nobody cares what happens there that attends here. Sure it could help with the "trolling" not being an exclusive thing here, but other than that it's not even worth mentioning publicly because nobody cares.
Well, that's kind of why that first sentence is there. And if you don't care about the situation, you even quoting me is even less relevant, so is your appearance in this thread other then Gill bringing you up. I'm allowed to make a statement or state my opinion whether you think it's relevant to ANYTHING or not.
My problem with MFFA had nothing to do with this forum. and nobody cared about me being banned until that fool decided to mention something I did..SOMEWHERE ELSE.
Your post is now irrelevant as Wanderer's.
This "fool" was just pointing out that fact you're just a troublemaker. Nice to see insults aren't below you, by the way. Anyway, I think this guy has the right idea
My problem with MFFA had nothing to do with this forum
I kind of find this untrue. I mean, I honestly kinda find it hard to believe you getting banned from an argument on one forum, and then the next day there's drama started from you on MFG isn't even remotely related, even in the slightest way. You may not start everything, but that doesn't mean you can't end what somebody else started with you. If you get in an argument, is it that hard to walk away? no, it's not. You just want to keep arguing. So like you said,
Well, that's kind of why that first sentence is there. And if you don't care about the situation, you even quoting me is even less relevant, so is your appearance in this thread other then Gill bringing you up. I'm allowed to make a statement or state my opinion whether you think it's relevant to ANYTHING or not.
I was stating my opinion on the subject as this section is dedicated to (people explaining their opinion on certain warning topics.) My opinion still stands, and you don't have to get defensive over it. I only say it's not relevant because it involves a completely different forum that has nothing to do with Mugen Guild. Zeroz has already been a problem on Mugen Guild and what happens at your forum shouldn't influence the staff's decision one iota. Regardless of whatever happens with it, you should read the last sentence in your post, and realize that everyone else is allowed to do the same.
I kind of find this untrue. I mean, I honestly kinda find it hard to believe you getting banned from an argument on one forum, and then the next day there's drama started from you on MFG isn't even remotely related, even in the slightest way. You may not start everything, but that doesn't mean you can't end what somebody else started with you. If you get in an argument, is it that hard to walk away? no, it's not. You just want to keep arguing. So like you said,
How does that prove it has anything to do with this forum? O_o And you obviously didn't read any of the prior arguments taking place on MFG. it had nothing to do with MFFA, you just think it did.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on April 09, 2013, 03:06:43 am
I have to agree MFFA's issues with him are totally different than the ones here period. keep mffa drama on mffa and not guild k? Decade stop trying to start shit i know that might be hard for you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jotaro K. on April 09, 2013, 03:39:02 am
I have to agree MFFA's issues with him are totally different than the ones here period. keep mffa drama on mffa and not guild k? Decade Stop trying to start shit you do it all the damn time even on mffa.
I don't know you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zeroz on April 09, 2013, 03:41:52 am
Do us all a favor and stop bringing shit up from somewhere else, you're just instigating.
Why don't you do me a solid and stop being an asshole first, then we talk. For now, until you grow a pair and stop acting like a child, I'm not doing anything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zeroz on April 09, 2013, 03:51:39 am
Do us all a favor and stop bringing shit up from somewhere else, you're just instigating.
Why don't you do me a solid and stop being an asshole first, then we talk. For now, until you grow a pair and stop acting like a child, I'm not doing anything.
So you are still going to continue to bring unrelated shit into this forum? who's the child here?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ryon on April 09, 2013, 03:56:16 am
So you are still going to continue to bring unrelated shit into this forum? who's the child here?
Personally I think you both are. Both of you should just leave it be, ignore each other and stop with the nonsense stuff.
your better off going into a parking lot and duking it out. mano e mano.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Zeroz on April 09, 2013, 03:58:57 am
That's a shame, I'm not taking jabs at him, I just told him to stop, Nobody asked him about anything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 09, 2013, 04:09:09 am
guys get your own forum already!
.... OH WAIT!
great job stealing walt's thunder. I BELIEVE IN WALTER FAST!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on April 09, 2013, 04:09:39 am
EDIT: I can't read.
Walt for president!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on April 09, 2013, 08:29:21 am
This is super silly. Zeroz, you were a jerk and you know it. 'Fess up to your wrongs and move on. Nobody needs to to convince you that you are a troublemaker, because you know you are. Stop it or get banned forever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TRUEMicah on April 09, 2013, 08:33:03 am
This is super silly. Zeroz, you were a jerk and you know it. 'Fess up to your wrongs and move on. Nobody needs to to convince you that you are a troublemaker, because you know you are. Stop it or get banned forever.
I cant believe someone is actually trying to prove they are not a jerk by being extremely offended at people pointing out how much of a jerk they are off site.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on April 09, 2013, 03:48:22 pm
Walt's a former mod, I don't see the problem with it. :ninja:
And AFAIK I left in amicable terms (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/staff-positions-68116.80.html)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on April 12, 2013, 03:38:42 pm
So, after a 5 day, dead silence both here and in the Public Staff section, as well as Iced maneuvering around my post in this very thread, I assume the final answer is a no?
Not that it would surprise me, but I'm amazed about either the utter ignorance OR secrecy about the matter at hand (not even really an issue, now is it?)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 12, 2013, 03:42:25 pm
With the way you conduct yourself I assumed you had to be joking. There was some discussion about new staff, we rather have actual new people if we ever need some. We arent even sure we need some right now.
edit: and as you know, people asking to be staff and being accepted arent really that common.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on April 12, 2013, 03:46:55 pm
What exactly about a direct question made you feel I was joking?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 12, 2013, 03:50:59 pm
You basically said you wanted to be staff because someone didnt change a thread title fast enough for your taste, and considering both your behaviour arguing with people and that you know people that ask to be staffed usually arent. it looked like a joke.
Also, considering said behaviour you will now spend weeks hating me forever for having replied with a negative answer.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on April 12, 2013, 03:53:31 pm
Seeing two positive or vaguely positive answers from Caddie and TDS, and knowing our history (let's not fool ourselves here) I'm assuming the main driving force for the "No" is probably you ... and it wouldn't surprise me one bit.
I asked though, I was prepared for a no. Thanks anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 12, 2013, 03:59:28 pm
Hardly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on April 12, 2013, 04:22:12 pm
What exactly about a direct question made you feel I was joking?
I thought you were joking too or I never would have made the comment about logging into my Caddie account. Now that I've read your post over a few more times, I guess it could be taken either way.
It's true it was discussed and decided no new staff was needed at this time and if/when the need came up, it should be someone new.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on April 12, 2013, 04:30:31 pm
This is the funniest thing posted in this thread yet. You're not entitled to be a staff member, only Titiln is because he's part of the Super Elite and the Illuminati.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 13, 2013, 01:11:17 am
Actually at some point soon-ish I planned to propose you back into staff too. Guild kinda needs your nazi iron fist IMO
thanks, i appreciate it coming from you. however i said i would not hold majestic staff power here ever again and i plan on sticking to my word
on the other hand, the way discussions about bans are dragging out so much in the staff forum is bad. the fact that this guy (http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/area.showposts;u=81754)'s ban had to be discussed at length (even though users under 13 are not allowed and this has been known for years), or that dragon-kid is still shitposting. well, they're not good facts. the forum needs someone to take the iron nazi asshole fist role. someone else do it. thanks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on April 13, 2013, 01:42:30 am
I feel the 3 day system slows us down badly. Most of the things that would've been accepted with a silent nod now require for general approvation, which can take days.
I know Iced feels the same way, but Caddie, MissB and JMorphman think it's a gold standard. Posted: April 13, 2013, 01:48:04 am Also
Goddammit people, don't leave MOVED threads up. They're a wate of space.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on April 13, 2013, 01:51:23 am
Goddammit people, don't leave MOVED threads up. They're a wate of space.
I'm getting better about that; it's annoying to have to uncheck that box every time I don't want to leave a redirection topic there. Somebody nag Valodim about that box, have him make it unchecked by default. [avatar]http://i.imgur.com/SDjWcpG.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on April 13, 2013, 03:36:07 am
oh fuck I deleted Rajaa's post fuck fuck fuck stupid fucking phone
Sorry rajaa :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on April 13, 2013, 03:53:19 am
I never had any qualms with longer initial ban times, i simply thought there should be some structure to how long you ban people for.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on April 13, 2013, 03:54:24 am
The 3 day ban can work when there's clearly a problem going on that needs to be cut down fast, but the mod doing the banning doesn't know what to do with it and requires advice. On cases that feel obvious enough to the mod, there's no reason for a "wait for everyone to chime in" buffer ban. And anyway, even then there's no reason someone who disagrees couldn't bring it up to discuss it still, and bring new information for a possible change in the ban. It should be here to help and still react fast enough, not to hinder. If the opposite happens, get rid of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on April 13, 2013, 05:32:58 am
Outlier cases like Zeroz's don't mean we should drop the system. It just needs a few tweaks. Like, if nobody talks about a 3 day ban-ee then whoever banned the guy should decide what to do, since nobody cares either way. For split cases the same thing could work, or maybe an admin could decide. I'm just spitballing here but I think these are minor issues that can easily be remedied.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on April 13, 2013, 06:46:26 am
I think there's A LOT of discussion about 3-day bans for certain people, it should be shorter and more focused on guys who're trolling, making drama or bothering other users. I don't mean it wasn't done, but sometimes it takes a lot of time, like months, especially with problematic users
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on April 13, 2013, 10:47:57 am
Outlier cases like Zeroz's don't mean we should drop the system. It just needs a few tweaks. Like, if nobody talks about a 3 day ban-ee then whoever banned the guy should decide what to do, since nobody cares either way. For split cases the same thing could work, or maybe an admin could decide. I'm just spitballing here but I think these are minor issues that can easily be remedied.
Yeah, what he said.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on April 13, 2013, 10:52:15 am
the forum needs someone to take the iron nazi asshole fist role. someone else do it. thanks.
i would do it..but that would be too cliché :dunce2:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cazaki on April 13, 2013, 02:38:27 pm
From what I can gather is that the 3 day ban isn't the problem as much as the bans that follow it. I feel like the member that was initially banned was never a normal, functional member of the forum from the first place and show no signs of getting their act together the second time you should just skip ahead to 1 month+ bans. I don't follow the thread that much, however.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on April 13, 2013, 03:49:09 pm
The 3 day ban can work when there's clearly a problem going on that needs to be cut down fast, but the mod doing the banning doesn't know what to do with it and requires advice.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 14, 2013, 12:09:25 am
someone already posted this in the warnings thread, apply the 3 day ban instantly, the one applying the ban should suggest what will teh real ban be like, if nobody objects ban him for the amount of time the one who applied the ban suggested.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on April 15, 2013, 09:39:10 pm
Don't full ban Helder Santos, please, maybe his/her intentions are good ones.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on April 15, 2013, 09:42:00 pm
A full ban only means he won't be able to log in and report posts any more. It doesn't mean a permanent ban or anything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on April 16, 2013, 08:59:19 am
We're not going to not ban someone just because you asked nicely. Come back when one of us is being a tyrant. And no, that tyrant part isn't a joke, so don't make an Iced joke.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on April 20, 2013, 09:00:37 pm
Since I can't quote it directly...
Re; Jmorphman's post in Decisions v2 about fixing little things after the April Fool's joke, additionally, the 'found releases' and 'edits and add-ons' links for Winmugen on the front page are no longer on the same line.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 21, 2013, 01:25:10 am
Your Releases, Mugen 1.0 + Found releases 1.0+ Edits and Addons 1.0+
Your releases, older Mugen Found Releases Edits & Add-ons
lots of inconsistency in the typing of these
also FullGame development looks weird
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on April 21, 2013, 05:52:25 pm
I think there should be an option for local moderators to be able to solve reported posts from their board (like a request board moderator solving reports from the request section). I keep finding reports of multiple request topics and I can't solve the reports so a GMod has to do it. [avatar]http://i.imgur.com/TXd1Qjh.png?1[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on April 21, 2013, 06:11:16 pm
The page title is back to "The Mugen Fighters Guild - [Topic title]" in full, wasn't it shortened to "MFG - [Whatever]" at some point ? And it came back after the April's Fool was reverted ? It's a bit of a pain when all your tabs start with a long prefix and you can't tell them apart at a glance.
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1751634 said:
someone needs to fix this, so get off your lazy butts, admins >:[
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1751673 said:
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These settings cannot be changed because settings is read only.
Val will have to do it.
But Val has come and gone once in the meantime, and apparently he didn't notice because no one notified him I suppose.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 25, 2013, 10:54:43 pm
i left him a message about it, lets see if he notices.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 26, 2013, 12:13:21 am
I did that during the software change because I didn't think it through, and I reverted it recently because it's a bad idea. The reason is simple: the <title> tag of a website is the most significant piece of data web crawlers use to index sites, having a nondescript acronym like "MFG" as page title noticably reduces search engine visiblity and is a SEO no-go.
I might be able to do something about this with some js, but don't get your hopes up. also, I don't really follow this thread, so it's not a very good place to report this kind of thing[avatar]//mugenguild.com/~valodim/twi/hugsno.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on April 26, 2013, 12:16:39 am
Is it really that important for Guild to be that accessible to web crawlers at the expense of it's users' accessibility? If MFG was a small site I might see that logic. But I don't see it being an issue with how huge it is and that it's still going to be listed on the 1st page of search engines.
Nevermind. Seems you fixed it :p
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Valodim on April 26, 2013, 12:25:47 am
I don't really follow this thread, so it's not a very good place to report this kind of thing
our bad, we should have brought this issue to twilight's library (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/valodims-thread-103273.0.html) (then again you were missing lately). are you still having problems getting used to your new pair of wings?
thanks for teh hard work as usual
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on April 26, 2013, 04:13:10 am
Is it really that important for Guild to be that accessible to web crawlers
Yes. Absolutely.
I added a js thing now, I hope it's an acceptable compromise.
thanksies
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on April 26, 2013, 02:22:17 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1754618 said:
theres something about the shitthread that makes idiots want to take a crack at pushing their luck. cant put a finger on why
RMH didn't do that because it was the shit thread, he was only continuing something that was started in (and split from) another topic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on April 26, 2013, 10:00:01 pm
Indeed. If I recall correctly, the split came from the Feminist thread in Gaming.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on April 26, 2013, 10:01:15 pm
Yes, Feminist study of games, where she gained money etc. ... and then the argument started (mostly by RMH).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on April 26, 2013, 10:20:57 pm
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He's delusional. Like, I'm legitimately questioning his mental state. He's fabricated some sort of reality for himself wherein he's some unparalleled intellectual conducting social experiments by "pretending" to start arguments and watching everyone else react. And anything anyone tells him to the contrary only serves to strengthen his delusion. To put it less politely: Dude's head is crammed so far up his ass he's gargling his own tonsils.
I'd say the best course of action would be to ignore him and let this particular instance wither and die with a warning, and the next time he decides to start another "case study" we drop the banhammer on him.
Funny, his flame war with me a few months ago was because I said the same thing...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on April 26, 2013, 10:22:32 pm
And I really hope we can do what the quote says and ignore this whole event. Let's not bring it again, please.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DuckSS Farm on May 04, 2013, 03:46:08 pm
geting maleware on cenobite's 8 stages release in old mugen releases...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on May 20, 2013, 01:24:39 pm
MBH, if a guy gets banned 3 times for the same thing but is let go every time with a slap on the wrist (even though you know it keeps escalating), you know he's going to do the same thing again. And if he's going to do the same thing again, you DO take his past history into account. It's what you guys do when you say "we give him a short ban this time, and if he does it again we increase it and double it each time". It's exactly taking his past history into account, so you saying what you just said in the warning thread about Zeroz is pretty much denying and going against everything else you've done so far. And no, he hasn't "already paid for his past crime".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on May 20, 2013, 02:59:21 pm
I also think the only time we should be taking a persons past post history and bans into consideration is when deciding the length of a current ban or punishment. If someone has been banned before, they paid for the crime so to speak. Making them pay again by saying it's ok for others to break the rules and insult them isnt fair.
What this means is if I am banned for derailing your threads and insulting you and I serve my ban, that does not give you free rein to break the rules at a later date and use the reasoning that I derailed your threads and insulted you in the past. Yes I did, but I was punished for that once. Staff should use my posting and ban history to decide how long to ban me for now. But it is not fair if they use the reasoning "it's ok for DKDC to break the rules and insult MBH over and over because after all she was banned in the past for insulting him and derailing his threads."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on May 20, 2013, 04:19:20 pm
You're getting it all wrong. You're acting like Zeroz came back and stayed out of trouble and is still getting insulted and punished for something he did in the past. You know he didn't stay out of trouble, and he's getting punished for something he did right now. You did something, you got banned for it, and then you come back and do the same, this is the situation that's going on here. This isn't "he did something bad in the past, got punished, came back, now a while later he's doing another thing that's also bad or he's getting insulted for something that's in the past". No, it's "he did something bad, got banned, came back and DID IT AGAIN, and he's getting insulted for that". There is exactly a need to look into his post history, to know that it's the same thing and he's not learning. When Zeroz was going after Sean the last three times, he got banned for a short time and it was like "let's just hope he doesn't do that again, if he does he gets banned some more". Guess what, he did do it again. When you're letting Zeroz come within 20 feet of Sean, you already know what's going to happen, you know how bad it was the last few times (it wasn't just random insults, Zeroz literally stalked him and mocked him in his profile and everything). You know this guy is going to provoke that guy one way or another, and that guy will react badly to it. And when it does actually happen, that makes it your fault, because you knew it, you could have prevented it, and you did nothing.
Sean didn't come after Zeroz, and you're acting like he did. Sure he overreacted (and even then that's debatable because everyone knows where Zeroz was going ANYWAY), and he needs to learn to keep his calm because he too should know what's going to happen. But you can't say "he should know better", because, hell, YOU should know better. To begin with, the only reason Sean got mad is that you guys let Zeroz come back and stalk Sean some more. You say "just report it" but why would he do that if you keep letting Zeroz go ? That just makes it your fault.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on May 20, 2013, 04:30:00 pm
Nevermind, misread one of Sean's posts. Still for permabanning Zeroz.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on May 20, 2013, 04:44:36 pm
Sean didn't come after Zeroz, and you're acting like he did. Sure he overreacted (and even then that's debatable because everyone knows where Zeroz was going ANYWAY), and he needs to learn to keep his calm because he too should know what's going to happen. But you can't say "he should know better", because, hell, YOU should know better. To begin with, the only reason Sean got mad is that you guys let Zeroz come back and stalk Sean some more. You say "just report it" but why would he do that if you keep letting Zeroz go ? That just makes it your fault.
there is also he posibility of sean reporting and mbh just going "oh, so if you are calm enough to report/ignore it I guess I don't need to take action".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 20, 2013, 05:11:30 pm
i was gonna say something on the subject but it was pretty much
You're getting it all wrong. You're acting like Zeroz came back and stayed out of trouble and is still getting insulted and punished for something he did in the past. You know he didn't stay out of trouble, and he's getting punished for something he did right now. You did something, you got banned for it, and then you come back and do the same, this is the situation that's going on here. This isn't "he did something bad in the past, got punished, came back, now a while later he's doing another thing that's also bad or he's getting insulted for something that's in the past". No, it's "he did something bad, got banned, came back and DID IT AGAIN, and he's getting insulted for that". There is exactly a need to look into his post history, to know that it's the same thing and he's not learning. When Zeroz was going after Sean the last three times, he got banned for a short time and it was like "let's just hope he doesn't do that again, if he does he gets banned some more". Guess what, he did do it again. When you're letting Zeroz come within 20 feet of Sean, you already know what's going to happen, you know how bad it was the last few times (it wasn't just random insults, Zeroz literally stalked him and mocked him in his profile and everything). You know this guy is going to provoke that guy one way or another, and that guy will react badly to it. And when it does actually happen, that makes it your fault, because you knew it, you could have prevented it, and you did nothing.
Sean didn't come after Zeroz, and you're acting like he did. Sure he overreacted (and even then that's debatable because everyone knows where Zeroz was going ANYWAY), and he needs to learn to keep his calm because he too should know what's going to happen. But you can't say "he should know better", because, hell, YOU should know better. To begin with, the only reason Sean got mad is that you guys let Zeroz come back and stalk Sean some more. You say "just report it" but why would he do that if you keep letting Zeroz go ? That just makes it your fault.
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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on May 20, 2013, 07:35:04 pm
Sean didn't come after Zeroz, and you're acting like he did. Sure he overreacted (and even then that's debatable because everyone knows where Zeroz was going ANYWAY), and he needs to learn to keep his calm because he too should know what's going to happen. But you can't say "he should know better", because, hell, YOU should know better. To begin with, the only reason Sean got mad is that you guys let Zeroz come back and stalk Sean some more. You say "just report it" but why would he do that if you keep letting Zeroz go ? That just makes it your fault.
I Haven't said "he should know better" that was Rajaa. Nor have I suggested Zeroz get a slap on the wrist (3 day ban) that was jmorph. I'm suggesting Sean get a verbal warning, others are calling for him to get banned. Caddie was the one analyzing the posts (at Sean's request) that showed Sean losing his cool and so on. Maybe you better take all that up with them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on May 20, 2013, 07:45:04 pm
I was responding to your comment that Zeroz's post history shouldn't be looked into when deciding whether Sean had a right to lash out and insult him. You said that because you acted like Sean came after Zeroz out of nowhere. I'm explaining that there was a reason he did that, everyone saw his reaction coming and everyone knew what direction Zeroz was heading to. I'm also including your earlier attitude that Sean should have just reported Zeroz. The whole of my post was a summary of the entire situation, and yes, it included things that you yourself didn't say, but that were just as important. Don't go and deflect those parts like "oh I'm not the one who said this bit and that bit" because it's not the point. The point is that the handling of this whole thing was terrible, that it started with you and then Caddie, that it's just plain stupid that you guys are even considering punishing Sean for this crap, and that you yourself have almost been actively protecting Zeroz, acting like he didn't do shit and he didn't deserve to be yelled at because we shouldn't look into his post history and it shouldn't excuse Sean's behavior. And quite frankly that's just fucking terrible. Should Sean watch his temper, yes. Do we know that's not happening, yes. Do we know Zeroz shouldn't have been allowed there in the first place because we already knew what he was going to do, hell yes.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on May 20, 2013, 07:51:04 pm
maybe shes putting personal feelings into this she did after all KNOW zeroz from infantry? if thats the case that is in no way shape or form something a mod should do.
idk for sure if she is or not just putting that out there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on May 20, 2013, 08:08:21 pm
maybe shes putting personal feelings into this she did after all KNOW zeroz from infantry? if thats the case that is in no way shape or form something a mod should do.
idk for sure if she is or not just putting that out there.
I am putting personal feelings into this. I think he's a detestable wannabe troll that I've had major issues with elsewhere. If it were any other two people, I'd probably say what one got as ban, they should both get. I sure wouldnt be "voting" for a 3 month ban and may change my vote to 6.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on May 20, 2013, 08:32:55 pm
You're getting it all wrong. You're acting like Zeroz came back and stayed out of trouble and is still getting insulted and punished for something he did in the past. You know he didn't stay out of trouble, and he's getting punished for something he did right now. You did something, you got banned for it, and then you come back and do the same, this is the situation that's going on here. This isn't "he did something bad in the past, got punished, came back, now a while later he's doing another thing that's also bad or he's getting insulted for something that's in the past". No, it's "he did something bad, got banned, came back and DID IT AGAIN, and he's getting insulted for that". There is exactly a need to look into his post history, to know that it's the same thing and he's not learning. When Zeroz was going after Sean the last three times, he got banned for a short time and it was like "let's just hope he doesn't do that again, if he does he gets banned some more". Guess what, he did do it again. When you're letting Zeroz come within 20 feet of Sean, you already know what's going to happen, you know how bad it was the last few times (it wasn't just random insults, Zeroz literally stalked him and mocked him in his profile and everything). You know this guy is going to provoke that guy one way or another, and that guy will react badly to it. And when it does actually happen, that makes it your fault, because you knew it, you could have prevented it, and you did nothing.
Sean didn't come after Zeroz, and you're acting like he did. Sure he overreacted (and even then that's debatable because everyone knows where Zeroz was going ANYWAY), and he needs to learn to keep his calm because he too should know what's going to happen. But you can't say "he should know better", because, hell, YOU should know better. To begin with, the only reason Sean got mad is that you guys let Zeroz come back and stalk Sean some more. You say "just report it" but why would he do that if you keep letting Zeroz go ? That just makes it your fault.
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that it's just plain stupid that you guys are even considering punishing Sean for this crap, and that you yourself have almost been actively protecting Zeroz
But Zeroz was staying out of trouble. And Sean did come after Zeroz. Sean started insulting Zeroz because Zeroz said negative things about John Cena, which Sean took as a personal offense. You are completely wrong about the order of events and what happened. :-\ It took Sean calling Zeroz an asshole and a dickhead before Zeroz made a personal attack on Sean back. And that was after a huge list of other personal attacks that Sean was throwing at Zeroz.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on May 20, 2013, 08:55:52 pm
I saw your summary and I already know you're missing the point.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on May 20, 2013, 08:56:54 pm
But what you're saying happened didn't happen the way you said it happened...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on May 20, 2013, 09:03:01 pm
Except maybe the part where everyone knew where Zeroz was headed no matter what and we all knew from past events that why the hell are you even letting Zeroz get within 20 feet of Sean and why is he still around at all and if you haven't done anything up to now why would you expect Sean to bother with the report section and in what magical land did you just expect Sean to keep calm after everything that's happened. I read your summary, did you read mine at all ? What part of my post didn't happen ? The part where Zeroz did the same thing 3 times and was let go with a slap on the wrist ? The part where everyone knew what he was looking for anyway ? The part where everyone knew Sean would blow up like that anyway ? The part where you wouldn't have done anything anyway ? The part where everyone knew it and no one bothered to do anything before it ? The part where you're blaming Sean for something you knew would happen and did nothing ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on May 20, 2013, 09:09:06 pm
He didn't "head there" though. What you're saying is basically "Zeroz should know better than to say negative things about John Cena because he knows that really ticks SeanAltly off". That's crazy. Once again, Zeroz was not saying anything negative to SeanAltly. He was not addressing SeanAltly at all. He was making posts about why he dislikes a wrestling character in the wrestling thread. Sean started it with him and said "I just can't keep ignoring this idiot saying those things when he doesn't know what he's talking about!" and started the insults. And Zeroz stayed away from fighting back with him, but Sean persisted. How are you not seeing that as what happened? I showed that's exactly what happened.
You're either saying that Zeroz shouldn't be allowed to reply to SeanAltly, which he didn't because Sean was the one that replied to one of his posts to start this(something he did several times), or that Zeroz shouldn't be allowed to either post in the wrestling thread or talk about John Cena, both are things I disagree with and would think would be ridiculous if someone suggested it. If that's not what you're saying, what are you saying?
Edit: Oh, if what you're saying was he should have been banned already then I don't know, maybe. He wasn't though and he didn't provoke Sean in any other way than saying bad things about John Cena that Sean didn't think was true. Maybe we could have stopped it earlier.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on May 20, 2013, 09:15:27 pm
Maybe you haven't paid any attention to the various past stuff that happened between those two and how they always started out and how Zeroz posed as a victim each time and yet everyone saw through him. You don't see it here because Sean went nuts faster, but again, he was doing the same thing as he has done 3 times in the past. It always went the same way, it always ended the same way, with everyone clearly aware that Zeroz WAS looking for it all along. He starts with something small, and HE escalates by calling Sean out on whatever. Sean simply broke out faster this time, and you're dumping it on him for it. Zeroz was banned 3 times for doing that. You say that in this case, Zeroz was staying out of it, have you never seen a troll in action or something ??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on May 20, 2013, 09:25:24 pm
I did pay attention and I'm tried of people suggesting that I don't know their past. Yes, I was there for all the bans in the past. I saw the profile. I'm not seeing Zeroz as a victim, I'm seeing Sean as the provocateur. Which he was unless you seriously think John Cena bashing is grounds for what happened. Zeroz really didn't fight back. Yeah you can say "that's just how he trolls" but it still was what happened. Zeroz was banned 3 times for how far he went when fighting with Sean, he wasn't banned 3 times for attacking John Cena. That's all he was doing until Sean started it with him.
Btw Sean I wanna make it clear that what Zeroz said about you being a moocher or talentless or whatever was completely baseless and of course not true. You're a very talented contributor to both this site and Mugen in general and I'm sorry if you got the impression that just because I believe you were responsible for this mess taking place that any of that crap is true. It's not.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on May 20, 2013, 09:29:38 pm
So how come you're the only one who's not seeing that this is what Zeroz was going for anyway ? Again, he did the exact same thing in the past, start with something small and seemingly unrelated, and then escalate and specifically call out Sean on something. This time it was John Cena, last time it was something else, the time before that it was something else again. John Cena, Sean's own wrestling, Sean's detailed knowledge of wrestlers, what have you. The only thing that changed this time is that Sean snapped right from the start, because he, like everyone else, knew what Zeroz was going to do anyway. Your claim that Zeroz wasn't doing anything THIS time and didn't respond is exactly the kind of things he wants.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on May 20, 2013, 09:44:49 pm
Again, he did the exact same thing in the past, start with something small and seemingly unrelated, and then escalate and specifically call out Sean on something. This time it was John Cena, last time it was something else, the time before that it was something else again. John Cena, Sean's own wrestling, Sean's detailed knowledge of wrestlers, what have you. The only thing that changed this time is that Sean snapped right from the start, because he, like everyone else, knew what Zeroz was going to do anyway. Your claim that Zeroz wasn't doing anything THIS time and didn't respond is exactly the kind of things he wants.
But that's not what happened. Sean escalated it, and Sean called out Zeroz on "being an idiot who doesn't know anything". What literally started this was this post:
I don't have to be a Dirt Sheet reading smark to know that Cena does pull strings backstage, Ryback was feuding with a rising team, and what a coincidence that Cena magically got involved with this feud when it was originally for Ryback, They destroyed Ryback, this monster machine, but all of a sudden they couldn't get the job done last night?
That Belt has no Value anymore, Punk did nothing for it, he could reign for two straight years and it still wouldn't matter because they paid more attention to Cena more than anything...the only time they let his reign shine was when he was feuding with The Rock.
They did turn Ryback heel to keep him down, they didn't want him to be more over than Cena, since he's getting more boos than ever. They could of gone the Tweener route, but nah, let's put Ryback's year plus push to rest instead so Cena can continue to pretend that people like him now that he won the belt from Dwayne. Posted: May 14, 2013, 09:38:32 pm P.S Download the WWE APP.
Do you see anything in there that justifies Sean starting the fight by replying like this:
All of the shit you spew is crazy, baseless accusations from someone who hates Cena just as blindly as kids love him. Be sure to kick back and call me a butthurt fanboy or some shit, too, even though I agreed that Cena's booked too strong and he doesn't need the title. I guess you can't not like Cena's booking without also thinking he's an evil, selfish backstage politician. I just get tired of all the pessimistic whining and bullshit where there should be reasonable discussion of something we all claim to be fans of. I'm apparently just not going to get that here.
Please tell me, are what you suggesting is that Zeroz should not have either 1. been allowed to post in the wrestling thread or 2. make that post about Cena?
And if you're thinking Zeroz should have been banned in the first place, please say that. That's way more reasonable than either of those.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on May 20, 2013, 09:51:56 pm
Zeroz should have been banned in the first place. Not just because of what he did in the past, but because we knew what he was going to do. This includes get anywhere close to Sean and start shit talking about stuff that WILL get Sean to respond. Sean responded with what you quote BECAUSE he already knew where Zeroz was headed. It's not a single occurrence of something new as you see it, it's a continuation of everything before that. Sean isn't just going to a random guy with his own opinion about Cena and just starting to trash talk him out for having his different opinion about Cena, Sean is saying that Zeroz is always doing that and this is one more example of it. The "all the shit you spew is crazy" is not referring to this one happenstance, it's referring to everything Zeroz has done in the past. Have you seen Sean go up to someone ELSE with a different opinion and say "you spew crazy shit" ? Because even though I never touch the wrestling thread, I'm pretty sure I saw Sean defend himself by listing all the times he was capable of talking with someone with a different opinion. Which shows that Zeroz is the exception. And we know why, and we saw it coming. Sean did not start anything. You can quote that topic all you want, you can quote him throwing the first insults in this particular discussion all you want, you have to stop seeing it as one single event and understand that this is the whole package of everything that happened before. Sean didn't throw the first insult because it didn't start just on Tuesday, it started all the way back.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on May 20, 2013, 10:14:16 pm
I understand feeling that way but you're saying here that SeanAltly was justified in a preemptive strike because he thought Zeroz wrestling posts was going to lead to a personal attack on him because SeanAltly is a fan of a wrestler that Zeroz hates.
Also, Zeroz didn't even go there 'this time'. He even started talking about something else with a different user about a different wrestling company, having not insulted Sean or even continuing about his dislike for that wrestler, until SeanAltly persisted. It wasn't going to go there. The topic was changed. Until Sean insisted on bringing it back. I get your claim that this was all part of some kind of master plan but it really doesn't look that way to me. If Sean would have left it alone, it would have stopped with Sean having called Zeroz a know nothing idiot several times and Zeroz having barely even said anything back. Especially nothing insulting.
Sean did not start anything. You can quote that topic all you want, you can quote him throwing the first insults in this particular discussion all you want, you have to stop seeing it as one single event and understand that this is the whole package of everything that happened before. Sean didn't throw the first insult because it didn't start just on Tuesday, it started all the way back.
Ridiculous. That's just not true. Sean factually started this argument. Them having disagreements in the past over wrestling before does not mean that Sean didn't throw the first(couple of) punch(es) in this fight.
What you're saying is the same as someone just randomly insulting someone out of nowhere and justifying it as "well he was banned in the past for fighting with me so I can insult him all I want! I didn't start it!" No. Not how things work.
Sean's a great asset to this forum and I like him for that. Zeroz has crossed the line several times with his behavior and is always walking a thin line because of that. That does not exempt Sean from being the catalyst in this, something that I feel like I've proven and saying "no but the past" isn't going to change that. Your suggestions are that Sean is not responsible at all for his behavior, or that it is completely excusable, or hell maybe you think he didn't do anything wrong. I disagree with you and I think we've debated this to a dead-end in that regard.
You say that I should look at the whole picture, what I suggest to you and to anyone who is looking at it like that is to at least try and think smaller and consider it as an isolated incident for a change and ask yourselves these questions: Who was the catalyst, who continued to persist with it, how could this have easily have been avoided, who was trying to prevent it from continuing but the other party would have no part in that, and how many posts contained personal insults on each side?
By the way, I could have handled this better. I'm not even confident that these posts are the best way for me to continue to be handling the situation.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on May 20, 2013, 10:22:15 pm
I'm really glad someone is bringing this up. The argument that happened over the last few days absolutely was an extension of every argument we've had before, and I was still admittedly bitter that so little was done about Zeroz in the past that I flew off the handle and let him have it. Despite the tone of shock and surprise in some of my recent posts, I kind of knew I'd be painted as the bad guy this time, I just didn't care because I knew that if nothing was going to be done about Zeroz, I was going to get my shots in. Simple as that. I threw the first insult this time, but it was because I know Zeroz and I know his MO.
Also, I see that the topic having changed to TNA for 12 hours is still being used in this discussion but everyone seems to ignore the fact I made this post:
Are you done playing the victim card? I wanna bitch and moan about the evil John Cena without anyone proving me wrong or expecting me to back up my stupid, baseless claims.
Yeah, sure, have at it.
@GLB
All of what you said is true. I wish I had a little more self control. I wish assholes didn't know to push my buttons so well. You see the post he made right after yours. He isn't interested in doing anything but whining about Cena and being a general dickhead. I just have a hard time ignoring people like him.
In this post I admitted I lost control and that Zeroz knew how to push my buttons, which is what he was doing. I told Zeroz he could go back to doing his thing and had no intention of continuing this argument. Then almost three days later, Zeroz posted his response. How is that not way worse than my 12 hour gap where I responded to Zeroz? Because someone made a few posts about TNA during that?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on May 20, 2013, 10:29:34 pm
Ridiculous. That's just not true. Sean factually started this argument.
Okay now there's a limit to how fucking dense you can be.
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What you're saying is the same as someone just randomly insulting someone out of nowhere and justifying it as "well he was banned in the past for fighting with me so I can insult him all I want! I didn't start it!" No. Not how things work.
MBH was making the same argument earlier and we already went over that. This is exactly how it fucking works, and no one EVER SAID "he did something bad in the past, that means I can insult him freely". Stop fucking saying that. He's getting insulted BECAUSE HE'S DOING THE EXACT SAME FUCKING THING AS BEFORE.
This argument wasn't something that started just here. This argument is the same as everything that came before. It's not something new, it's a continuation of everything.
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hat I suggest to you and to anyone who is looking at it like that is to at least try and think smaller and consider it as an isolated incident for a change
How about no and stop fucking saying that. There's literally no justification to seeing this as an isolated incident. Just telling everyone else to disregard everything that happened in the past is what's ridiculous. This is happening BECAUSE of how it went in the past, you can't just throw away the reason this is happening and then claim "look, this is happening without a reason, so he's the one who started it". And stop claiming that Zeroz was trying to get away from it. Again, have you never seen a troll ? Because it sure fucking looks like you have no idea how people like him act, even though he acted the exact same way in the past and you claim to have seen him do it.
I also think that this is getting ridiculous, and you are getting really fucking dense. That's all there is to it. There's no way you can convince me otherwise, and this isn't going to move any further.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on May 20, 2013, 10:43:31 pm
In this post I admitted I lost control and that Zeroz knew how to push my buttons, which is what he was doing. I told Zeroz he could go back to doing his thing and had no intention of continuing this argument. Then almost three days later, Zeroz posted his response. How is that not way worse than my 12 hour gap where I responded to Zeroz? Because someone made a few posts about TNA during that?
I'm glad you brought that up. Here's why. You made your post, the one that was 12 hours after the subject change, responding to Zeroz for saying this:
Then stop responding, You're not going to change my views on John Cena, I hate him and will continue to do so until he has the balls to tweak his character..or just go away forever.
Still Main eventing - Check Buries Ziggler - Check Buries Ryback - Find out this Sunday at Extreme Rules! Ruined CM Punk's Title Reign - Check Ruined The Shield - Check
You replied to that after him and other users began talking about a TNA. The post that he didn't respond to for 3 days was this:
Are you done playing the victim card? I wanna bitch and moan about the evil John Cena without anyone proving me wrong or expecting me to back up my stupid, baseless claims.
Yeah, sure, have at it.
@GLB
All of what you said is true. I wish I had a little more self control. I wish assholes didn't know to push my buttons so well. You see the post he made right after yours. He isn't interested in doing anything but whining about Cena and being a general dickhead. I just have a hard time ignoring people like him.
Where you called him an asshole and a dickhead and changed his quote to say that he bitches and moans and what he says is stupid and baseless. The subject had not changed, that post was the last post in the thread before he replied to you two days later. That's why what you did was worse.
In my opinion.
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This is happening BECAUSE of how it went in the past, you can't just throw away the reason this is happening and then claim "look, this is happening without a reason, so he's the one who started it".
No, this is the justification that you're giving SeanAltly for insulting Zeroz. Yes, it's why SeanAltly did it. It's not why it happened, it's not what actually happened. I'm tired of going over what happened because you're plugging your ears.
So yeah you and I are never going to agree on this Byakko. At least we understand eachother, I hope. Unlike you though, I don't think you're dense. I just think you have a different opinion on what happened. That you're making a lot of assumptions and drawing a bunch of conclusions without looking at what happened. Like you wanted to take a side(SeanAltly) and place blame(Zeroz) without actually caring about what went down. And you have a good reason doing that, btw. If I wasn't trying to look at this objectively I would feel the same way as you and Zeroz would probably have gotten a permanent ban and SeanAltly wouldn't have gotten any kind of talking to about this.
Edit: Removed a dumb edit, I apologize for it's contents. I don't stand by what I said.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on May 20, 2013, 10:56:47 pm
So, just because no one made a few posts about some other thing after me means that the huge gap in responses is going to be ignored? I just don't understand that, apparently, and you're not going to convince me of it either. Agree to disagree, I suppose.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on May 20, 2013, 11:05:04 pm
It was because it was the last post in the thread AND because it was a direct insult to him. His post that you replied to was neither. The fact that he waited 2 days before he replied to you means nothing if he was replying to the last post in the thread, and that post was an attack on him that he was responding to. If it was longer than that it'd be different. Posted: May 20, 2013, 11:23:38 pm Btw I still like the both of you and am sorry if this effected your opinion of me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 21, 2013, 02:02:14 am
Edit: Removed a dumb edit, I apologize for it's contents. I don't stand by what I said.
you need to stop doing this man, maybe make a post after pointing out that you changed your mind or whatever, but when you remove it I can only imagine the worse possible things that you could have posted.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 21, 2013, 02:51:50 am
EDIT: there was a long post here about caddie's latest decisions as administrator but it was mostly hurtful so i have removed it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on May 21, 2013, 03:50:09 am
EDIT: there was a long post here about caddie's latest decisions as administrator but it was mostly hurtful so i have removed it
was it the one where you said he was better when he was drunk ? or was it the one where you tell him to make himself taller?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on May 21, 2013, 05:07:01 am
@Just No Point: I don't think anybody has warned Watson about his MAKE IT PAWTS STAHL posts. He's annoyed plenty of people, but no real warnings have been issued IIRC.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on May 21, 2013, 05:17:26 am
Hmmm, I feel it should be up to the author. If he wishes for posts of that nature to be removed he may ask to do so.
It's not as bad as "I was expecting X character"
I'll leave it unsolved till tomorrow in case this has been discussed before. I seem to recall a discussion over it. If nothing else stems from it I'll just let it slide and solve it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on May 21, 2013, 06:25:52 am
Edit: Removed a dumb edit, I apologize for it's contents. I don't stand by what I said.
you need to stop doing this man, maybe make a post after pointing out that you changed your mind or whatever, but when you remove it I can only imagine the worse possible things that you could have posted.
@Just No Point: I don't think anybody has warned Watson about his MAKE IT PAWTS STAHL posts. He's annoyed plenty of people, but no real warnings have been issued IIRC.
I did warn him via personal message to stop his rudeness.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on May 21, 2013, 04:12:10 pm
I dunno what's worse, the way this topic is going, or that I actually get the reference in your post.
ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 【RTC】MelvanaInChains on June 18, 2013, 09:29:48 pm
@ those two posts in the warnings thread
yeah, sorry about all that, lol. that just irritated me a lot more than it should've, but i forgot i was posting all that in the release thread too, just fuckin silly to get upset over shit like that. my apologies
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 18, 2013, 10:35:25 pm
on the other hand why should anyone expect feedback in a found release thread where it's assumed the creator is not reading any of it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on June 18, 2013, 10:48:50 pm
Authors of found releases should be afforded the same respect that normal release should get. Especially in this case, when the author can read English and was a member of this forum. Feedback doesn't necessarily need to be a requirement, but the thread should be about the character, and not what people think of the author.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on June 18, 2013, 10:50:31 pm
Was that why was the thread locked?
The guy even responded to the feedback (http://mugenfreeforall.com/index.php?/topic/13310-mutant-dna-boss-diba-bug-fix-2013-06-14/?p=132281) (granted it's not a very good response).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on June 18, 2013, 10:56:53 pm
It was locked because a majority of you who replied in the topic did it while attacking Werewood. I'd appreciate it if everyone who participated in that this time not make it a habit. Not in any release thread. Werewood didn't even provoke any of you, he wasn't even here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 18, 2013, 11:00:23 pm
jmorphman's last post said that he would delete any replies not about the character from now on, which is a much better solution than thread locking
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on June 18, 2013, 11:05:51 pm
@Jmorphman
Concerning your post about not being able too see the thread on MFFA, yeah you have to register.
Don't ask why.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on June 18, 2013, 11:08:47 pm
There was a grand total of one post in a thread with 25 replies that had feedback greater than "I don't like this" or "this is bad". No one that was replying wanted to talk about the character. The thread is a mess. A complete failure for what a release thread should be. I didn't want to see any more attacks on Werewood and frankly I don't trust the users on this forum to put an end to it. There's always "I know you said to stop BUT" posts. ALWAYS.
I do trust Jmorph to keep the thread clean if he decides to reopen it, though. Sorry I'm a bit upset about what I read in that thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 18, 2013, 11:11:29 pm
let said awful, horribly damaging posts happen and keep those users in mind for the future
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on June 18, 2013, 11:15:58 pm
That's what I would have done if some of the posts in the thread had feedback, or even something positive, in them. Anyway, I left what happens in that thread up to Jmorph. I would like to have the thread be open and have something worthwhile in it but I'm not optimistic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on June 18, 2013, 11:44:46 pm
If I can help with this case, I talked with Werewood in MFFA and he said he can still view the forum, but he doesn't (and won't) sign up, so probably is aware of all the bashing still get for his creations. I just compiled all the feedback in that thread (like 2-3 posts of all the 20+ of "this shit sux" and "OHNO, it's Werewood again" posts) and posted in his MFFA release thread. He answers me about he couldn't run the game nor find gameplay videos of the character, but he thanked me for giving him feedback.
As I said to JM in that thread, how do you expect he would come back again if there's still bashing against him?? That's the main reason why he retired from MUGEN (luckily he came back recently, but after years) and probably won't come back here again. I mean, I wouldn't come back here if I were treated like Werewood (or any of here).
Resuming, I'm with Caddie this time. Period.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on June 19, 2013, 12:05:54 am
i have no idea what is happening in full, but i can get an idea from this page.
Why are people even reacting to werewood negatively? Werewood was never rude to anyone ever, what kind of jerk would be on his back for getting weird and quitting a few years back? The only person he could have "injured" to begin with was himself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Pal on June 19, 2013, 04:10:23 am
My memory is hazy but I recall Werewood getting angry at most feedback because he thought it was bashing against his creations, and something about the philosophy of MUGEN being about creativity and freedom and some bullshit about "the best in the west".
However, I do recall him updating his characters way often based on feedback he got, although he had some sort of tendency of "Me first" (releasing rushed versions of characters just because they were unconverted).
His MUGEN work I do not care about so much, but I do recall him making amazingly big walls of text for nothing that was way too annoying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on June 19, 2013, 05:17:02 am
As I said to JM in that thread, how do you expect he would come back again if there's still bashing against him?? That's the main reason why he retired from MUGEN
I don't expect anything. I extended an olive branch, and tried to clear up any possible misconceptions. Werewood... well, dude was intense. I got the sense that he might have felt that he was barred from returning in some way, so I wanted to make clear that that was not the case.
And as far as I can recall, the person hardest on Werewood was Werewood himself. Dude took his MUGEN stuff far too seriously and It was obviously stressing him out. I suspect it played a large role in his decision to leave, although all the negative attention he got clearly played either a major or majority role in that decision. So hopefully he's worked that stuff out, because if he does return, you can be sure that there will be lots of moderator eyes on any of his threads.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alpaca-San on June 19, 2013, 08:58:39 am
It was locked because a majority of you who replied in the topic did it while attacking Werewood. I'd appreciate it if everyone who participated in that this time not make it a habit. Not in any release thread. Werewood didn't even provoke any of you, he wasn't even here.
Why are people even reacting to werewood negatively? Werewood was never rude to anyone ever, what kind of jerk would be on his back for getting weird and quitting a few years back? The only person he could have "injured" to begin with was himself.
For the record I was not on his back for what he did in the past at all and I have no problems with Werewood whatsoever. What did bother me was that his MUGEN files contain a LOT of obnoxious self-deprecation within them and I was being critical of that attitude.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on June 19, 2013, 11:51:09 am
Yeah, and I also read some of his posts in MFFA that had some of that self-deprecation and it irritated me that he has gained that attitude, because I was expecting him to improve his personality a little after the ban. But I know that was completely off-topic in that thread, so I apologize.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on June 19, 2013, 02:33:22 pm
hes been like that since joining our forum it annoys me to believe me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on June 19, 2013, 03:20:10 pm
To be completely honest, I don't even recall Werewood ever being banned from here. Yes, his mugen works needed to be polished, and yes I'll admit that his self-depricative attitude was annoying after a while (though I'll admit that I do sympathize with him abit since I myself went through a similar phase before realizing how I was starting to sound), but I never really had a problem with him personally. The worst I've ever done was the tongue-in-cheek jab at a comment in that thread where someone said not to say the word "sucks", where I then posted a clip of a scene from Caddyshack (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyW-lckVtm8) to satirically illustrate the typical post response if that were to occur.
Though looking at his MFFA posts I can see his overall attitude hasn't changed, and still lacks the appropriate knowledge of the source games to create a solid character.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on June 19, 2013, 04:03:32 pm
I don't even know who this guy is. The obnoxious self-deprecation thing as mentioned as well as some of the things he's said (like, he has no access to the game because he can't run DOS yet there are emulators for that) just tick me off.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on June 19, 2013, 04:16:07 pm
I don't even know who this guy is. The obnoxious self-deprecation thing as mentioned as well as some of the things he's said (like, he has no access to the game because he can't run DOS yet there are emulators for that) just tick me off.
Its not just that one character, I believe he's stated previously with his other characters that he doesnt play the source games either.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on June 19, 2013, 04:28:10 pm
That's silly reasoning to get ticked off. If you don't like the work he makes simply ignore his existence.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TRUEMicah on June 19, 2013, 04:40:21 pm
He wasn't THAT bad. He was just really obnoxious. Werewood had great ideas but never expanded on them. He'd start a project, reach beta phase and move on. We urged him to expand his betas, research character specs and put more effort into his works but he took it all as slander. :S
He snapped when a user said a character he was creating was completely astray from it's source and Werewood should start from scratch. He was so mad that he pretty much rage quit Mugen. :/
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on June 19, 2013, 04:40:41 pm
To be completely honest, I don't even recall Werewood ever being banned from here.
No, he just left the forum, no one had banned him since he didn't do nothing, and he retired from MUGEN because of the bashing here. Also, he's open to work with other creators to get better things from his works, you can see his Juri Han made with Orbinaut and his KOFXIII Saiki with BoyBoyz as examples. As RP, I don't have anything against him, I like his grain of sand he make for his works for originality as well converting chars that no one else do before (like the 2 already mentioned and Takumi Hattori, the first PIM3 char for MUGEN) and the statement of open source in all of them, which is good for those ones who want to improve his works.
And well, he just released yesterday Vigilante from old game (and spiritual sequel of Kung Fu Master/Spartan X), even adviced in Mugenchara blog (http://mugenchara.blog.shinobi.jp/Entry/3094/). I would post the news in Found Releases... but well, it eventually would be a new Diba thread, so I won't do it (maybe some of you want to light the fire posting there, it's not my problem now)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 19, 2013, 09:31:43 pm
he left after being banned if this thread is any indication http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/my-final-words-134481.msg1436682.html#msg1436682
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on June 19, 2013, 09:33:47 pm
You may post his releases in the Found Releases board without worry of starting anything. At this point anyone attempting to go off topic in those threads would have their posts deleted and be warned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on June 19, 2013, 09:43:14 pm
You may post his releases in the Found Releases board without worry of starting anything. At this point anyone attempting to go off topic in those threads would have their posts deleted and be warned.
Done, thanks for assure this ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on June 20, 2013, 08:58:59 pm
He was a person who took MUGEN way too seriously and had a weak spirit and faulty understanding of how things work. I'm not sure if he changed, but whatever he did is no reason to make a topic named "Borewood/Werewood" to announce his releases. Just announce it, post your opinion, and move on with your life. None of the release areas is a bashing arena.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 20, 2013, 11:25:39 pm
rmh seemed like a nice guy a few months ago, so 6 months ban as a final chance to see if that calms him down ?
Probably yes, probably not. It really depends if his current attitude keeps giving him problems in other places. In that case he may change.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on July 04, 2013, 03:18:52 pm
JNP, the "don't take as moderator those who ask to be moderator" saying is not a rule, just a saying. And it's because you often get people who come in out of nowhere and ask to be moderator, it's that those who ask for it usually have no idea what it really is. It's more "if you ask to be mod, you probably won't become one" rather than "don't accept those who ask". Obviously it was always about those already in power being able to see who is capable of doing it and those who can be trouble, which is done only by knowing each other. Exactly like when you say "hey, XXX would be a good choice if he's willing". And of course, if there's someone who asks for it when you already think he might be a good choice, there's no rule that says you suddenly have to refuse him just because he asked. I don't think it's ever been a rule for moderators to reject someone who asks. At the very most, some "how to be a good poster" guide will be saying "if you ask for power, you probably won't get it" but it's not a binding order for you and people who actually are mature enough for the board will know it on their own.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on July 04, 2013, 03:37:10 pm
It's cool. I get the gist of it. I just kinda wish we opened up and asked on occasions to see who would be willing. Then moderators can discuss whom they think might be better out of those.
I think it's actually good to let a few "noobs" in on the moderation if they are nice and have a lot of drive to help out. I think a lot of it comes from wanting to prove something to their peers here. I won't deny when Nunor 1st asked for mods I had no idea what it was either. Once I saw what it was I tried hard to help the forum grow largely to gain rep points and be accepted.
Probably much easier to do when the site is smaller like it was then. Just a thought. And it helps keep them less jaded for a while. At least that's my theory :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on July 04, 2013, 06:44:45 pm
There is also the chance someone who asks may have an ulterior motive. They want the "power" to warn, ban, move, merge, because they don't like someone else, or they don't like a posting style.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on July 05, 2013, 07:59:14 am
People who ask generally don't want it for the job. They want it because they see it as special in some way.
Being a mod is not special. Nor does it contain any glory. If you do it correctly, people should not even really recognise you're a mod. Being a mod means leading by example at all times and not bringing yourself down to petty argument levels about someone perception of the rules of the forum.
Oh and it sucks rather a lot. So does admin. Admin probably sucks worse.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on July 05, 2013, 02:26:41 pm
It also means no one wants to update stickies :P
That's all I'm wishing Guild had. Someone excited to help keep certain threads updated and maintained. If they feel special for it because they have it who cares if they try to prove they can do a good job too.
When I look at some other smaller forums I see mods that are doing things to build their community up. MFFA has all kinds of mods that go crazy updating their warehouse stickies for their users.
Most stickies here hadn't been updated since 2006 or earlier when I came back. Important stickies like tools, FAQs, Shared Sprites, Sounds, etc
I thought I would come back, look at the stickies, and know exactly what new things to do to start creation. But nope, most everything was exactly like I left it. That's the 1 spot that mods should stick out from users at. Keeping important/useful information and links updated for its users.
I would like to acknowledge that JMM is doing a fantastic job with the Optional Animation Standards though. :2thumbsup:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on July 05, 2013, 02:35:28 pm
Oh and it sucks rather a lot. So does admin. Admin probably sucks worse.
Being the Admin of a big community can turn into a full time job even, if an admin is very involved with the community.
@Just No Poin
When i were building up another community (not gahq) some years ago i was the only admin (dictator ftw) but used forum threads and news articles on the website to organize whole groups/teams of people who worked as some kind of moderators on specific sections. Including updating threads as example and helping to build up whole databases while they had no special "powers" beside to edit the sticky or closed threads.
Maybe something like that could be helpful here@ old faqs etc. I am sure there are users here with the motivation to update threads releated to available spritesheets etc.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on July 05, 2013, 02:53:31 pm
Well, currently that's all I'm suggesting. Adding local mods to a few sections to help update stickies and such.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on July 05, 2013, 04:54:31 pm
Cyanide: well, that's why generally there're the same guys for mods everytime and the lack of them. I mean, in Request subforum, the Creator Website Database Thread is abandoned, there're a lot of new websites reported (new, offline, replaced, hosted on Web Archive, etc) and no one is in charge of it... not mentioning same JNP saying he can't be enough time to mod Developement Resources forum and asks for help as we read.
I think a good idea should be making something like Contributor Suggestion Thread, but for those ones who wanted to be a mod in some of subforums, and then being choosed by popular choice (being users, mods or admins), so the thing would be more democratic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on July 05, 2013, 10:58:30 pm
Well, currently that's all I'm suggesting. Adding local mods to a few sections to help update stickies and such.
that's a good idea: it would probably help remove some of the load off the Gmods, like tasks that are necessary but kind of time consuming for nothing. there are a few users here that could be trustworthy & solid candidates IMO
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on July 06, 2013, 06:04:17 am
Added a poll
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on July 06, 2013, 06:38:15 am
Great suggestion. All we need is the who.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on July 06, 2013, 07:44:21 am
If i may make a suggestion, its not the usual MFG Staff Style, but a mass PM to everyone, or maybe to all Contributors could solve that question easily.
I can only speak for my own experiences, but thats just the easiest way to reach a lot people ...a simple forum post or thread will reach only a few percent of possible volunteers.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 21, 2013, 04:17:18 pm
why was tempest demodded
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on July 21, 2013, 04:35:59 pm
Because she had run-ins with the majority of the active staff, except Rajaa, so they decided to punish her in some kind of way since they have a vendetta against her.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 21, 2013, 04:51:16 pm
well yes i guess caddie announcing it is weird after this http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1761810
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on July 21, 2013, 05:46:18 pm
Because I deleted a useless, condescending post after I called a dumb person dumb. If you "step out of your boundaries" even one time as a local mod you are demoted without being talked to first. I don't really care though, I only really stickied and moved topics anyway every other month. Not much moderating to be done.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 21, 2013, 06:12:51 pm
you would think that, in a forum where shitposters get 10 verbal warnings before any action is taken on them, a local mod would also get talked to after stepping out of line, but alas
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on July 21, 2013, 06:51:37 pm
Because she had run-ins with the majority of the active staff, except Rajaa, so they decided to punish her in some kind of way since they have a vendetta against her.
You voted to remove her too, that isn't helping. :grrr:
We got some complaints about this post. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1801487) Pretty much everyone on the staff thought it was uncalled for so we were going to give TempesT a message about it until it was pointed out that she used her mod position to delete this post. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1801522) That's not mods are for, deleting non-aggressive replies to you over an argument you started by calling the person "dumb and annoying". We talked it over some more and thought she should be removed.
Yes it's a little weird for me to do the announcing because I've had issues with her over personal attacks before but I'm an admin so sometimes I gotta do things like this. Thankfully, like I suspected:
I don't really care though, I only really stickied and moved topics anyway every other month. Not much moderating to be done.
I'm guessing some of you really don't like the job I'm doing as admin right now. If it helps, Titiln, I've been wanting to be a little stricter on..."shitposters" but have pretty much been overruled every time I suggest banning or permabanning someone. If yall think that things need to be a bit stricter around here, or hell if you think things are too strict, please let us know. God knows I can use some more feedback about my actions. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on July 21, 2013, 07:06:21 pm
Condescending is still passive-aggressive. I don't like C.A.N. and he knows I don't so why would he provoke me further by saying "HUR DUR I LOVE U 2 TEMPEST". It was flamebait and he's an ignorant fucking cunt for doing it. The post is still trashed though, so it must be agreed upon that it was a useless and shitty post. Go figure.
I fucking hate forums because you can't call people who are annoying you dumb and annoying. The only thing worth talking to me about was the deletion of the post not calling him dumb and annoying.
Go call out every mod that's ever called someone stupid/annoying/ignorant if you're going to do this shit to me. Stepping out of bounds has never been calling someone dumb and annoying, look at 90% of staff posts after someone like drewski, pokemonguy or duckss post. It's ridiculous that I was held to a standard that I can't call someone dumb and annoying when they're being dumb and annoying, like really? that is something that I need to be talked to about? Why are the two instances compounded? Why isn't the misuse of my moderation the only thing I needed to be talked to about? Flawless logic, boys.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 21, 2013, 07:16:57 pm
If it helps, Titiln, I've been wanting to be a little stricter on..."shitposters"
not the point. i think people should get verbal warnings before getting banned. at the same time i would expect that the people putting some amount of their free time moderating a part of the forum would get a verbal warning about what they fucked up about instead of instantly being removed like garbage
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on July 21, 2013, 07:21:36 pm
Also for the record, Caddie used his moderating powers to edit/remove posts in the past and was never demodded, actually he got talked to by Iced. The bias is so thick, I'm drowning in it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on July 21, 2013, 07:49:54 pm
MFG Staff is a NO GURLS ALOUD club. You should've known that TempesT, so this is allllllll your fault.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on July 21, 2013, 07:52:32 pm
not the point. i think people should get verbal warnings before getting banned
Absolutely, I'm talking about people who are getting their 3rd or 4th warning about something instead of their first ban. Or people who are getting 2-6 month bans instead of permabans when they are going to wait out their time and come back doing the exact same stuff.
I fucking hate forums because you can't call people who are annoying you dumb and annoying. The only thing worth talking to me about was the deletion of the post not calling him dumb and annoying.
Go call out every mod that's ever called someone stupid/annoying/ignorant if you're going to do this shit to me. Stepping out of bounds has never been calling someone dumb and annoying, look at 90% of staff posts after someone like drewski, pokemonguy or duckss post. It's ridiculous that I was held to a standard that I can't call someone dumb and annoying when they're being dumb and annoying, like really? that is something that I need to be talked to about? Why are the two instances compounded? Why isn't the misuse of my moderation the only thing I needed to be talked to about? Flawless logic, boys.
Fair enough, this forum does have plenty of instances of people being called names, even by staff, but what CANs said really didn't warrant it. If you didn't go along with deleting his reply to you, the kind of warning you would have gotten would have been along the lines of "this isn't really necessary in this situation". You picked a fight with CANs for no real good reason and he didn't fight back. You continued with it even though he showed that it wasn't bugging him and you used your mod power to silence even that. You clearly took it personally as you've shown by this:
Condescending is still passive-aggressive. I don't like C.A.N. and he knows I don't so why would he provoke me further by saying "HUR DUR I LOVE U 2 TEMPEST". It was flamebait and he's an ignorant fucking cunt for doing it. The post is still trashed though, so it must be agreed upon that it was a useless and shitty post. Go figure.
"Why would he provoke me with that? Gonna delete his posts" this isn't something a mod should be doing. How mad would you have been if when you and I had that argument a few months ago, I would have started deleting your posts and continued talking about you? People would have thought I was abusing my power and probably would have wanted me gone if I did that. That's what you did and you've been mod long enough where you know better than to do stuff like that. He wasn't even arguing back with you. And it's not like I can even say "well we removed her because TempesT has a past of that kind of behavior to go along with this" because it would be just like every single other time that someone brings that up. "Oh yeah prove it!" "Well here's some stuff from a few months ago..." "You're so desperate you have to bring up things that happened that long ago!" Over and over again.
And please, even though I'm the one that is here having to defend this, don't think this was all me. If there was a single person on the staff who argued to keep you on I would have had second thoughts and we wouldn't be at this point yet. I thought you weren't angry about this, I didn't think I'd have to type out long boring posts that aren't going to help anything anyway. :-\
Also for the record, Caddie used his moderating powers to edit/remove posts in the past and was never demodded, actually he got talked to by Iced. The bias is so thick, I'm drowning in it.
You mean when I had just gotten my mod position and I edited out a part of Shamrock's post where he was insulting you? Before I even knew what being part of the mod staff was? And I apologized and shown regret for making a mistake like that to this day? That's a completely different situation.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 21, 2013, 08:02:27 pm
Absolutely, I'm talking about people who are getting their 3rd or 4th warning about something instead of their first ban. Or people who are getting 2-6 month bans instead of permabans when they are going to wait out their time and come back doing the exact same stuff.
way to leave out the rest of the quote which had the main point of my post
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You mean when I had just gotten my mod position and I edited out a part of Shamrock's post where he was insulting you? Before I even knew what being part of the mod staff was? And I apologized and shown regret for making a mistake like that to this day? That's a completely different situation.
a completely different situation because you had the chance to make a half assed apology instead of getting instantly removed
the main issues here are: - nobody in staff had the decency to tell tempest hi you're getting removed because reasons - nobody considered telling tempest hi you did a bad thing, don't do it again, thanks - no reason was given for tempest's removal in the staff board, it was only made apparent in this thread
staff is exercising very poor communication. good luck getting other local moderators
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos on July 21, 2013, 08:07:01 pm
To be honest I agree with her and Titiln.
In my opinion there's a lot of hostility on MFG in general, PRIMARILY from the staff, and we have a double standard concerning it. We should either embrace ALL of it or reject ALL of it. Either encourage people to get thick skin or make everyone stick to the cuddlebox status quo. JMM and Rajaa say way worse stuff than Tempest did on a daily basis and nobody cares, and maybe nobody SHOULD care, so why is this different? And for that matter, why is it WRONG to call somebody annoying? It's not even like she was bombarding CAN's inbox with hateful PMs and saying fuck you and shit.
And even if you disagree with my prior point, it's really unfair to demod somebody without a warning. As mentioned by both earlier, you guys let shit posters and people like Doraemirby and Drewski and whothefuckever run rampant flooding the forum with useless, garbage posts and nobody cares at all, they keep getting slaps on the wrist.
I apologize if my post comes across as hostile, I'm just trying to emphasize the point I believe.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on July 21, 2013, 08:22:07 pm
It's pretty obvious the MFG staff has been waiting a while for an excuse to axe TempesT's mod status and now they finally have one.
The real question here is whether or not this is all a conspiracy hatched by Shamrock for everyone to turn on Caddie and then regain power in MFG.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Killer Kong on July 21, 2013, 08:28:54 pm
[avatar]http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk256/FrankieGuarini/Waluigi.png[/avatar]This falls under my idea of what's going on right now, and it's something I've been hush about, but I suppose now's as good a time as any.
I understand that a staff full of opinionated people of strong belief are going to want to make a decision based not just on factual information, but personal opinion, but that's the root of most of the problems. I believe that, as of right now, there's a general spectrum here. It's almost like a faux importance gauge, where punishment is not given based on what someone does, but rather who it effects and the perceived relevance of the person or people it effects. In other words, did someone do something bad to someone important or someone valued by the community?
If the answer is no, what usually happens is a slap on the wrist if the problem is basic, but if it's yes, the judgement is different. Also falling in line with this, staff opinions on other moderators. I think two things happened here, TempesT went at CAN, someone who the community regularly talks to and goes to advice for, as opposed to someone like Drewski, who is usually ridiculed by the general public, and not behind closed doors either.
To be blunt, I think there's a bit of bias, and it's not like I don't understand it. It's an issue but it's not something that isn't normal or isn't human. But looking at it objectively, it's there. Also the whole not warning TempesT or anything is definitely a large problem, no matter how you look at it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on July 21, 2013, 08:32:45 pm
a completely different situation because you had the chance to make a half assed apology instead of getting instantly removed
Well there was more to it than that. I was brand new as a mod(and had just come back to the "new" forum with the new rules), TempesT is not. I didn't know what I was doing was wrong because I thought we weren't supposed to let stuff like calling people "retarded dog fuckers" slide on this forum. And what I did wasn't personal, unlike what TempesT did which was completely personal. And I'll have you know my apology and regret for it is completely sincere. >:(
- nobody considered telling tempest hi you did a bad thing, don't do it again, thanks
Everyone wanted her removed and felt like this was both inappropriate and not the first time. That wasn't explained in public but I didn't think we needed to go into details about it...well I'll explain that next.
- no reason was given for tempest's removal in the staff board, it was only made apparent in this thread
I could have said something about it but I was trying my best not to start problems like this. I didn't say why because I publicly didn't want make it look like she was being punished for something. I figured it would have been worse if I explained it but apparently I made another wrong decision, since she came in here and brought it up herself.
That never really works out. In fact because it's all me here I don't think there was any way to avoid it coming to posts like this. To be fair I tried to get someone else to do it so it wouldn't seem like this is something personal. I saw what TempesT said several days ago and even though I thought that it was uncalled for I didn't say anything about it until we got some complaints about it from other users on this forum, and it was brought to a discussion by another member of this staff.
In my opinion there's a lot of hostility on MFG in general, PRIMARILY from the staff, and we have a double standard concerning it. We should either embrace ALL of it or reject ALL of it. Either encourage people to get thick skin or make everyone stick to the cuddlebox status quo. JMM and Rajaa say way worse stuff than Tempest did on a daily basis and nobody cares, and maybe nobody SHOULD care, so why is this different? And for that matter, why is it WRONG to call somebody annoying? It's not even like she was bombarding CAN's inbox with hateful PMs and saying fuck you and shit.
And even if you disagree with my prior point, it's really unfair to demod somebody without a warning. As mentioned by both earlier, you guys let shit posters and people like Doraemirby and Drewski and whothefuckever run rampant flooding the forum with useless, garbage posts and nobody cares at all, they keep getting slaps on the wrist.
I apologize if my post comes across as hostile, I'm just trying to emphasize the point I believe.
You don't have to worry about coming off as hostile or expressing your opinions to me. Please share your opinion. Jmorph and Rajaa, as they can tell you, have gotten 'talks' before by the rest of the staff when it feels like they instigated something. When that has happened before, however, they haven't started deleting peoples replies to them yet. I disagree about two points you've made at the top of that. One "PRIMARILY from the staff" suggesting that the staff is the cause of majority of the hostility on the board. Two, rejecting or embracing all hostility. It has to be in context. If someone is arguing with someone and it leads to hostility, it is a different situation than someone creating a one side hostility from seemingly nothing. The difference is a heated argument versus starting arguments from nothing through insults. I think the first one should be allowed, to a degree, while the second one should be called out on.
I think two things happened here, TempesT went at CAN, someone who the community regularly talks to and goes to advice for, as opposed to someone like Drewski, who is usually ridiculed by the general public, and not behind closed doors either.
This is completely untrue as it would not have effected my opinions on this in any way whatsoever, assuming Drewski would have replied the same exact way CAN did.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Killer Kong on July 21, 2013, 08:35:01 pm
[avatar]http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk256/FrankieGuarini/Waluigi.png[/avatar]When speaking of the staff, I do not isolate the problem to a single person, let alone point fingers. It's just a normal error, and as I said, it's human and hard to completely avoid. It will never not be present, the idea is quantity. It's not a single person, and it's not anyone currently, but it usually happens, and it's been in increased frequency as of late.
If I may cite a case study, a conflict arose between a moderator and I, and we got in a bit of a spat, but it was resolved. This is identical in principle, but much smaller and a lot less insulting, yet the results of this are far more severe.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on July 21, 2013, 08:39:59 pm
I was under the impression that Tempest was messaged and she responded "OK." I guess Caddie forged that message.
All of this staff is "hostile and bias" stuff is silly, especially considering the former is outright false and the latter is false because Duckass is not banned yet. Why is Duckass not banned yet.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on July 21, 2013, 08:44:39 pm
Kong: I see the point you're trying to make. I don't think it had any effect on this situation or would have. I do see situations where it does though. Usually it has more to do with discipline in regards to people who contribute more to the forum. I'm not like that usually but I do understand where staff that feel that way are, caring about the future contributions to this forum over handing out spankings.
I prefer to hand out spankings.
Rajaa: Nah the messaging stuff was legit but Titiln probably didn't know about that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 21, 2013, 08:46:38 pm
sorry i wasn't aware of the private message exchange, i'll make sure to hack into the involved accounts and check their inboxes before making assumptions again. jesus fucking christ
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Everyone wanted her removed and felt like this was both inappropriate and not the first time.
what previous times, did anyone tell her to not do that after those previous times
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Killer Kong on July 21, 2013, 08:48:43 pm
[avatar]http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk256/FrankieGuarini/Waluigi.png[/avatar]I completely understand. I just felt the need to bring it up at some point and I guess now was as good a time as any. It's not of extremely large importance. This is a forum staff, not a government, and as I am not paying you to do your jobs, I can't really concretely demand anything more than what I already do.
I just wish the the idea of contribution weighting was ditched altogether for most circumstances(not counting spammers or people like DuckAss, that's a given.)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on July 21, 2013, 09:17:50 pm
Titiln: Well you did assume that no one told her and you based that on nothing. I explained that though a few posts back so I assume you're replying to Rajaa. You know I wouldn't blame you for not knowing or anything.
And it's not like I can even say "well we removed her because TempesT has a past of that kind of behavior to go along with this" because it would be just like every single other time that someone brings that up. "Oh yeah prove it!" "Well here's some stuff from a few months ago..." "You're so desperate you have to bring up things that happened that long ago!" Over and over again..
Please don't pretend TempesT has never had behavior like this before, and has never been talked about it before, because I really don't wanna go digging through old shit just to prove a point that you know is true. And no I'm not referring to anything that happened with me. I'm reading a thread in private, right now, about her being warned for the same exact kind of behavior, including deleting peoples posts. The same exact shit. It took me 20 seconds to find it. Oh but it's old so I'm grasping for straws.
That's not to say that I'm going to hold someone accountable forever for stuff they did years ago. Where would I be if people did that to me? What I'm saying is I have evidence that she's done this before and has been warned about it without even trying to look through more recent stuff. If you think that's ridiculous I'm sorry but I didn't think I'd need more than having the rest of the staff agree that she has, and has had, aggressive behavior in the past. And also that she should be removed. I didn't think I'd need to provide anything more than that.
Edit: I could always word it like this. "She's been warned about this kind of stuff for yeeeeaaars".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 21, 2013, 09:38:20 pm
ok with the removal, just so you know not everybody is against it.
I just wish the the idea of contribution weighting was ditched altogether for most circumstances(not counting spammers or people like DuckAss, that's a given.)
that would be bad for the comunity, since the focus of this comunity is not to hang around and have fun times, but to create and enjoy mugen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on July 21, 2013, 09:41:32 pm
I don't know what to say about any of this. I really didn't think I'd wind up instigating something like this.
* C.A.N goes back into hiding *
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on July 21, 2013, 10:16:52 pm
Now I remember about that when I read it again, and I found it out of place, especially because wasn't the intention of CAN being rude, sarcastic or something. And now I wonder why she never deleted my "hey, you used to be nice before" catchphrases before, considering I'm not Tempest's favourite user either...
So yeah, Guild staff in general (admins, golbal mods, local mods) should be an example for the rest of the users and don't abuse of the powers they got just because someone post something out of place answering rude and deleting post doesn't like the mod/admin at issue. Resuming, what [E] said:
ok with the removal, just so you know not everybody is against it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on July 21, 2013, 10:35:15 pm
Wasn't the "you used to be nice" post in the off topic board?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos on July 21, 2013, 10:43:59 pm
Also I think her behavior is irrelevant as long as she's not abusing her power. Staff aren't here to be nice, they're here to do their jobs. We've had much harsher staff styles before with Titiln and Rajaa and JMM who were always pretty blunt and rough but never got their status taken from them. I don't think this should be an exception. As long as said staff member isn't going out of their way to disrespect users and is good at their job, what's the problem?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on July 21, 2013, 11:03:07 pm
I know all of that better, I should be banned by KFM years ago when I insulted him back (after he abused of his power, dark times) with the "MUGEN dinosaur" stuff (may some of here can remember that, I don't know) in the times he was a Guild admin. The catchphrase I used was is because when I know her in my first years here she was nice (seriously, not joking) like other girl users as Maria Azul, nothing compared as how she is now
Wasn't the "you used to be nice" post in the off topic board?
Yeah, but I think I use that in other parts apart of Off-Topic subforum, I'm not sure. But I did it just to soft the things, not in a sarcastic way or for bother her. Probably CAN do the same thing with his "I love U 2" post, which it was deleted without a reason... that's why I asked why she didn't do the same with my posts :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 22, 2013, 01:39:20 am
yes i meant rajaa's snarky post that assumed i should've been aware of a private message exchange
"Well here's some stuff from a few months ago..." "You're so desperate you have to bring up things that happened that long ago!" Over and over again..
you're being dense and equating me asking for previous instances of someone deleting posts to you bringing up tempest saying you look like a crack addict over a year ago and getting ridiculed for bringing up something so petty. they're extremely different things
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Please don't pretend TempesT has never had behavior like this before, and has never been talked about it before
why the fuck should i remember any of that. i don't have a spreadsheet keeping track of every moderator fuckup. you're not being very helpful or linking to any relevant posts in staff for people to look at and say Yeah she's a bad mod!! Good job removing her she's atrocious!!! but don't worry because my care level for this issue has decreased considerably i think this issue goes to show that local moderators are a bad idea since their options are decidedly crippled compared to a global moderator. a gmod tempest would've been able to split off CAN's cutesy horseshit to the shit thread, but to keep a thread clean from stupid posts there's not much of a choice there. a gmod tempest would've been able to easily bring this up in the staff board and ask for advice. a gmod tempest could have restored the post from the recycle bin if need be. a gmod tempest would be able to address fighting game board reports. i could go on. local moderators have too many downsides.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on July 22, 2013, 01:50:48 am
I can't link you to them because it's in a section of the site you don't have access to. I can give you a quote though.
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Titiln, vans, you two need to keep her under check, because since my last dealing with her I rather not deal with her, im afraid I would be biased since we did not part well.
You've directly dealt with her doing the same thing before, when you were an admin, and just today you asked me if she's ever been warned for it before. I don't blame you for not remembering though, it was a while back and probably pretty obscure.
you're being dense and equating me asking for previous instances of someone deleting posts to you bringing up tempest saying you look like a crack addict over a year ago and getting ridiculed for bringing up something so petty. they're extremely different things
That's not what I was referring to. Anytime TempesT(and a few others) having an "aggressive" past is brought up, that conversation happens. It happens every few months. I wasn't going to fall for it again. That because I don't keep a txt file with all the times something happens handy now I gotta go shifting through posts. And when I find one "oh that's from a long time ago it doesn't count". And everyone pretends that they don't remember it happening over and over again. That has happened multiple times and I'm not doing it this time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 22, 2013, 02:04:01 am
i don't remember what the issue with her was at that point, the last time i was administrator was well over a year ago (april 2012). if that's the last time she was warned i would think that's a pretty significant gap from current day and it would warrant another verbal warning instead of outright removal. it's not exactly recent. i would hope there's a more recent instance of tempest's horrible power abuse than this. i mean you did say you wouldn't hold someone accountable for shit that happened years ago and yet the example you bring up is at least over a year old. sorry.
feel free to address the other half of my post since it's very relevant to the forum
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on July 22, 2013, 02:06:14 am
TempesT lost her GModship because of her attitude. Because it's not uncommon and pops up again every few months/years. It's not like she was instantly demoded and banned like some forum staff in the past. Everyone that replied in the staff section agreed to just remove her mod status.
And yes, getting into arguments with fellow staff can lead to no one wanting to step up and defend her in that section. It's called burning bridges.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on July 22, 2013, 02:18:05 am
i don't remember what the issue with her was at that point, the last time i was administrator was well over a year ago (april 2012). if that's the last time she was warned i would think that's a pretty significant gap from current day and it would warrant another verbal warning instead of outright removal. it's not exactly recent. i would hope there's a more recent instance of tempest's horrible power abuse than this. i mean you did say you wouldn't hold someone accountable for shit that happened years ago and yet the example you bring up is at least over a year old. sorry.
feel free to address the other half of my post since it's very relevant to the forum
Ughhhhhhhhhhhhh there it is. I said that this is exactly what was going to happen, with you pretending this hasn't been a problem for years and now wanting me to shift through posts for examples. Even though you've dealt with these exact issues that TempesT was removed from personally before. Since you don't remember it, she was insulting people, calling them names and saying they don't know what they're talking about, and deleting their posts when they replied to her.
I'm sorry, I'm not going to do it. Because nothing I could show you would even be good enough for you. Why should I even bother, the rest of the staff agrees with what's been done. Just like JNP said. I've explained myself, I've pointed out stuff you've been misinformed about, and I've shown examples supporting my reasons for doing this and that's all you're getting from me. Not me wasting my time looking for examples that you won't even accept.
I'll deal with the staff stuff in a different topic at a different time, with the rest of the staff. I was going to set up the new staff today but I didn't account for having to deal with this stuff all day.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 22, 2013, 04:30:23 am
i think this issue goes to show that local moderators are a bad idea since their options are decidedly crippled compared to a global moderator. a gmod tempest would've been able to split off CAN's cutesy horseshit to the shit thread, but to keep a thread clean from stupid posts there's not much of a choice there. a gmod tempest would've been able to easily bring this up in the staff board and ask for advice. a gmod tempest could have restored the post from the recycle bin if need be. a gmod tempest would be able to address fighting game board reports. i could go on. local moderators have too many downsides.
yeah, back then it was agreed that local moderators was a bad idea and they should only be used to test people if they were up to the job of moderating so either they became gmods after 3-6 months or just got demoded.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on July 22, 2013, 04:57:00 am
like other girl users as Maria Azul, nothing compared as how she is now
please don't compare gas station nachos with filet mignon
also: - caddies does nothing: get's called useless - caddie goes and do something: gets called incompetent and stupid
being caddie is suffering :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DMK on July 22, 2013, 06:03:03 am
Not to stir shit, but seeing as something about local mods are messed up, any chance we can see reported post in our unread replies? Its been years since I was a Gmod, but I'm sure reports showed up like that. I've asked before a few times, but rarely does anything bad get posted or bad post themselves show up in Gaming anyways so I've not repeated it much. Just asking for the heck of it. :_blank:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 22, 2013, 06:56:31 am
Ughhhhhhhhhhhhh there it is. I said that this is exactly what was going to happen, with you pretending this hasn't been a problem for years and now wanting me to shift through posts for examples. Even though you've dealt with these exact issues that TempesT was removed from personally before. Since you don't remember it, she was insulting people, calling them names and saying they don't know what they're talking about, and deleting their posts when they replied to her.
I'm sorry, I'm not going to do it. Because nothing I could show you would even be good enough for you. Why should I even bother, the rest of the staff agrees with what's been done. Just like JNP said. I've explained myself, I've pointed out stuff you've been misinformed about, and I've shown examples supporting my reasons for doing this and that's all you're getting from me. Not me wasting my time looking for examples that you won't even accept.
dude, i don't remember the exact dates or events offhand. i'm not saying it never happened, it very well could have. the example you brought up (conveniently with no timestamps) is from the times in which i was administrator, which is clearly over a year ago. there's a conversation in my inbox involving iced, me, vans and seanaltly complaining about tempest and that's from august 2010. it's obvious i remember all the details of what happened, but i'm pretending i don't for the sake of my argument. right. you got me.
i'd consider, i don't know, something from less than six months ago valid, but using an example that far off is fucking ridiculous, just like expecting me to clearly remember a minor event in an internet forum from 2010. i'll just assume something more recent happened, but the fact that you think something from fucking 2010 should account for current day at all is absurd and makes me hope you won't reach that far back when it comes to future decisions
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on July 22, 2013, 07:29:10 am
Titiln do you think we, that being I and the rest of the staff the unanimously agrees with me on this issue as far as I know, made the wrong decision? If so, where did it happen, at the actual decision or the procedural process? And on what level? Should we have gathered more evidence to support what we all pretty much agreed on?
Also, do you believe behavior warnings should have a time lapse, and no consequence after that time lapse other than another warning? Even if it's a repeating behavior? I take it that if you do you think it's 6 months or so. Getting your direct opinion on these issues is, in my opinion, a way better way to go forward on this. If you're willing to give your opinion on this, please also address what you think of a mod who has in the past started arguments and deleted the replies, and what to do if they do it again after some time passes. What would you have done in this situation, knowing everything that I've said so far.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on July 26, 2013, 01:16:52 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1804495 I think he is Custom Soul.
1. The first post of "A Ghost of Dan" mentioned Soul Calibur -> Custom Soul, before he changed his attitude to Dan Hibiki roleplaying, had written "my heart belongs to Soul Calibur" or something among those lines. 2. He comments on others grammar while his is not always correct -> Custom Soul did the same thing with DuckSS. 3. The already mentioned "knowledge" of fighting games, together with the "my character will have this and that" comments, common in the two accounts' posts. 4. Dan, again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on July 26, 2013, 08:05:46 pm
I agree, the reference is too obvious to be passed. Also, he could can post since another PC to avoid get the same IP and then don't be confused with his previous alter-ego
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on July 27, 2013, 05:46:06 pm
He is abusing the report section for unknown reasons.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on July 27, 2013, 06:13:47 pm
You double posted, though I wouldn't know if that's what he wanted to point out. ... Oh wait, that's from 3 months ago.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on July 27, 2013, 06:39:17 pm
I really don't remember about that, I thought I posted that only once. I'll delete it now.
No way! I deleted it and it deleted the other too! Anyway, I edited one of the posts there with the same content.
...
It wasn't a double post! :( I knew it. If you check my post history at page 35, you'll see there aren't two post but just one. http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1749504 -> deleted post
Can someone please move the trashed post in the topic it comes from? I don't want to delete one of my posts without a reason (I tested a thing but "both" went deleted) and there was definitely no reason for the post to be reported.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 11, 2013, 06:32:16 am
Since nobody else has replied to jmorphman's , yeah, guy shoudl get temp banned. the last thing we want to do in this forum is discourage people from creating mugen stuff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on August 11, 2013, 08:09:06 am
More on that front overall would be good. Putting someone down for a dumb post is unecessary.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on August 11, 2013, 08:39:25 am
He hardly posts so I'm not sure like he'll continue to post here again, hopefully he learned his lesson. He's been having a complex lately so he might be a dick again tomorrow for no reason other than to try and prove a point. People have said worse things here, I don't think a ban is in need just yet.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on August 11, 2013, 09:21:41 am
If it were anything else besides discouraging a new user, it wouldn't warrant a ban. But it was, and it does.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 11, 2013, 05:13:19 pm
what makes him worse than the usual shithead is that he actually thinks he's being nice and polite
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 12, 2013, 12:18:22 am
yah, he's too edgy, implying he is holding back, seen a lot of those overtime, they either get banned, dissapear by themselves or
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become orochigill
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 13, 2013, 12:47:32 am
Do me a favor and stop doing that please, [e]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Anti-11 on August 14, 2013, 02:21:01 pm
I will admit that I was in the wrong for what I did and try to be more positive in feedbacks
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 14, 2013, 03:16:43 pm
Thank you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on August 16, 2013, 03:01:32 pm
So a tongue-in-cheek joke about how I was "harassing" someone with feedback is a bannable offense now, even when the video had nothing to do with what was going on prior aside from providing feedback, which I did?
Besides, I've already changed the title but 3 days just for that? No warning or anything, just straight up ban?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on August 16, 2013, 04:20:50 pm
I think this should have been discussed further by PM or openly. Previous warning saying "this is considered harrassment, please change avy and attitude in one/two days, or face the consequences".
Looks like very little attempts were tried to sort things out before taking action.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 16, 2013, 05:14:25 pm
Looks like there were no attempts to actually. :disappointed:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on August 16, 2013, 05:24:55 pm
Looks like there were no attempts to actually. :disappointed:
Exactly. And quite honestly, people have done the exact same thing as the original title, and even worse than that, and gotten away with just warnings. Hell, even the staff themselves do it from time to time whenever the shit thread gets renamed (specifically referring to doraemariby, even though that issue has been resolved). Heck, even the situation with Zeroz and SeanAltly was worse than this, and even after the staff decided Sean was the one responsible, he too got away with a ban. Nowhere did I ever try to actively get Seravy to quit mugen. Hell I even stated that I thought he had potential, and that he just needed to be steered in the right direction so he could fully utilize said potential, but he somehow got insulted by that. So how exactly am I suddenly this poison to the community that warrants an exemption from the "lets be less trigger-happy" attitude the staff were discussing a few months back?
Had one of the staff intervened, as I know they're capable of doing because I've been Jmorph do it before in other threads where situations started to get out of hand, and told me to stop I would have easily complied and this situation could have been avoided. But jumping straight to discussing a ban is just unprofessional imo.
Edit: For the record, Seravy gloating about his "victory" that hasnt even happened yet on his site is also pretty childish:
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-Anyone from Guild can still provide feedback by posting a comment here, or sending a mail. -Anyone else can also do so, and now that RicePigeon probably won’t do it anymore, I hope more people will.
Not that anything of effect can be done since he decided to leave this place (which I probably will too depending on how this whole thing turns out) but I thought it should be worth mentioning that he's not exactly innocent either.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Answer on August 16, 2013, 05:38:28 pm
With what happened regarding Tomo's Videl and Seravy with feedback I feel as if giving feedback to some authors is now completely pointless.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 16, 2013, 05:47:34 pm
This is why I feel we should allow users to delete replies to their release threads. I've mentioned this before but I just get the whole "They should toughen up and use it or ignore it!"
And when they don't then it puts all the responsibility on the person giving feedback to walk on eggshells or not reply at all. In a perfect world one of these 2 users would understand this.
There's no reason to force topic starters to accept feedback. And if they delete feedback they don't like then it will help the snowball effect of harassment. Granted some won't always delete said feedback and will allow the drama to escalate. But at that point it would be their choice.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Answer on August 16, 2013, 05:52:40 pm
JNP I can see that going so wrong though.
"wow X deleted my feedback what a baby" and would only increase the drama. Btw isn't there a blocking system for this forum maybe that can help.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on August 16, 2013, 05:54:11 pm
There is a blocking system. It just doesn't work well whatsoever since when I've used it I could still see their posts.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 16, 2013, 06:09:28 pm
If someone persists after having their posts deleted by the topic starter then they would need to be moderated. That's a lot easier to see and moderate than for this snowball effect where certain users get punished while others do not.
Would be even better if we could implement a mod that allowed users in the release board to ban users from their threads. (posting only)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on August 16, 2013, 06:13:50 pm
That just opens up a can of worms though....
I get how it could be a good thing, but with the petty squabbles that happen on occasion it could just lead to some unwanted consequences.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Answer on August 16, 2013, 06:19:22 pm
Plus it can discourage users from giving feedback I mean whats the point of giving feedback if it will just be deleted.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 16, 2013, 06:24:36 pm
So does the current method where we just wait for issues to be reported. I think the can of worms would be much smaller than the one we have now where it's no holds barred till it's too late then someone leaves and people get banned for contributing to something they see everyone else doing.
If you are suggesting that someone that is banned from a thread would harass that user everywhere else because of it then said harasser would be easy pickings for a warning/banning and it shouldn't get as far as this did.
@The Answer: That's the point. Eventually the releaser wouldn't get much feedback anymore because people would figure their feedback would just get deleted. I figure very few people would use this. Just the ones that don't take feedback well.
I just say this because it tends to work well in the comic communities I've been a part of. It's the same difference. And a lot of comic artists are a LOT more delete happy than most MUGEN developers.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Anti-11 on August 16, 2013, 06:26:50 pm
regardless deleting feedback comments is just arrogant
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 16, 2013, 06:29:06 pm
But it's fine to keep agitating the releaser?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on August 16, 2013, 06:31:33 pm
regardless deleting feedback comments is just arrogant
Its more like cleaning the room after someone shit in it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Answer on August 16, 2013, 06:36:36 pm
I know that's the point its just that the feedback giver will end up not wanting to give feedback to anyone at all because he/she may think "wow they deleted my feedback I guess I just won't give feedback at all then".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 16, 2013, 06:41:45 pm
I don't think most people would react that way. That would be a bit silly to react like that to one person deleting your feedback. Most people would just ignore that person.
Deviant Art and comic communities are done the same way and people still give lots of feedback in those communities.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mgbenz on August 16, 2013, 06:47:39 pm
Honestly, that idea is all kinds of stupid. There are people who hate getting feedback and they will delete everything in their topics and leave all the cool chars. +1 posts.
Why not just leave the deletion of harassing comments to the mods? That's their job.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 16, 2013, 06:51:24 pm
Because no one reports the posts so the mods think they must be ok with it or they don't see the thread because they don't read every post on the board.
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There are people who hate getting feedback and they will delete everything in their topics and leave all the cool chars. +1 posts.
:woeh:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Anti-11 on August 16, 2013, 07:28:39 pm
With what happened regarding Tomo's Videl and Seravy with feedback I feel as if giving feedback to some authors is now completely pointless.
I thought people learned that about Seravy a long time ago. Dude admitted to never playing non-Touhou fighting games and his lack of interest in them a year or two ago. He has no interest in making a "fair" fighting game character and never will. I'd understand if new users or the old shitposting crew didn't know about it, but RicePigeon? I thought he'd know better.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 16, 2013, 09:04:48 pm
Ricepigeon, after all that crap making a video named harassment avi was for what purpose? Are you going to tell me that it wasnt to bait him? What other objective could you have expected man? "OH LOOK AT ME IM HARASSING YOU" after posting this:
The way you treated Seravy in that video, you must think you're tough shit huh? Just because you decided to quit mugen, Seravy did you a favor and updated the character, and you repay him by shitting all over his efforts you ungrateful little prick? This Mima was an awesome character, as usual. Best Mima I’ve played, despite what you and the rest of the haters on mugen guild are saying. I'd like to see you try to make something of quality compared to what Seravy can do.
Ah, the white knights...
In reference to This Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pcc9H13-eQ), btw.
What other reason was there to bait him like that?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos on August 16, 2013, 09:06:11 pm
Maybe I'm just paranoid, but most of the times whenever he (RP) posts a found release topic it's usually of a certain....class of character. Again I might just be paranoid but it comes across as trying to bait flaming or wtfever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on August 16, 2013, 09:20:58 pm
The way you treated Seravy in that video, you must think you're tough shit huh? Just because you decided to quit mugen, Seravy did you a favor and updated the character, and you repay him by shitting all over his efforts you ungrateful little prick? This Mima was an awesome character, as usual. Best Mima I’ve played, despite what you and the rest of the haters on mugen guild are saying. I'd like to see you try to make something of quality compared to what Seravy can do.
Ah, the white knights...
In reference to This Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pcc9H13-eQ), btw.
What other reason was there to bait him like that?
Not sure how this quote was bait exactly since it wasn't aimed at him directly unless it's the title of the video (like Harassment.avi), but then again there's been worse than said video titles.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Anti-11 on August 16, 2013, 09:25:02 pm
people tend to overreact over such simple matters or take it the wrong way it can have a bad effect towards people
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on August 16, 2013, 09:27:52 pm
I can't understand you people, RP made this kind of videos since he has a YT account (and I say years ago), just like Orochi Gill, Shwa, Arpa and other Guild users to show the flaws of the characters they test, and in much cases creators can improve of see the flaws, no matter the text they use for them. But in this case, he was banned for 3 days without a reason or a PM (not all users can read Staff Discussion forum as you can think).
I mean, if these videos are offensive to creators in the forum, why recently now are you people banning users (even for 3 days) for the videos instead doing this years ago?? Why now and not in the past?? Should I be banned for make a video about Seravy's cheapness or Wlanmaniax's wannabe chars and post them in the forum??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 16, 2013, 09:41:17 pm
Basara, the issue wasn't the video. It was the name of the video titled "Harassment".
That's not something decent ppl do to give feedback to someone that is clearly agitated.
However it isn't worthy of a ban either. Just a warning. After this crapstorm he more than likely learned his lesson.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on August 16, 2013, 09:47:26 pm
Ricepigeon, after all that crap making a video named harassment avi was for what purpose? Are you going to tell me that it wasnt to bait him? What other objective could you have expected man? "OH LOOK AT ME IM HARASSING YOU" after posting this:
What other reason was there to bait him like that?
If you're referring to the quote, how is that baiting Seravy? It was an email that I got relating to the incident from a 3rd party, all I did was make it public. I'm not holding Seravy responsible for something that an overzealous fan of his did, most likely without his knowledge or consent, if that's what you were thinking.
As for the second video I've already gave my reasons behind it and I still think it was something that was blown out of proportion. But in case I didn't make it clear:
The video's original title was in reference to one of Seravy's rants on his site where he was equating my feedback to his characters as harassment, specifically the one about the fullscreen super. The video's purpose was feedback on another of his character showing off an infinite, with the title referencing his little blurb on his site, something that numerous people on guild have gotten away with before. I thought it was something relatively harmless given that context, but apparently you don't seem to think so regardless of what I say.
Maybe I'm just paranoid, but most of the times whenever he (RP) posts a found release topic it's usually of a certain....class of character. Again I might just be paranoid but it comes across as trying to bait flaming or wtfever.
Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I get the feeling that you brought up something irrelevant and twisted/misinterpreted it into something to be used against my case. I see a release on another board that's not yet posted in the found releases here. That's not against the rules last time I checked.
MAYBE I'm being baited into losing my cool so my ban could be extended like others before me. But needless to say I'm disappointed you'd try something like this.
Basara, the issue wasn't the video. It was the name of the video titled "Harassment".
That's not something decent ppl do to give feedback to someone that is clearly agitated.
However it isn't worthy of a ban either. Just a warning. After this crapstorm he more than likely learned his lesson.
Pretty much this. I'll admit maybe I did go a bit overboard with the title but I still think it was something that was relatively harmless. I have to be frank but this gives off the impression that Guild's staff is going to start policing people's videos and shit now, which is something I would expect from someone like volzilla. Yes, I did post it here but the impression still stands.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Darkflare on August 16, 2013, 09:51:29 pm
Honestly, only reason Rice used that title in the first place was due to Seravy taking a potshot at him first.
I'm going to agree with the guys here, people have been left off with worse. I could understand if someone is particularly known to be a troublemaker, but I don't recall Rice being lumped in with that kind of people before until now, so why go straight to the ban then?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on August 16, 2013, 09:54:25 pm
I could understand if someone is particularly known to be a troublemaker, but I don't recall Rice being lumped in with that kind of people before until now, so why go straight to the ban then?
This. This is mostly why I'm pissed off at the situation right now. The fact that 3 members of the staff are in favor of the ban, including an admin, seem to be giving off the impression that I'm being singled out for some reason.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 16, 2013, 10:05:53 pm
It's called a banter. It's not baiting, it's mocking. Lighten up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on August 16, 2013, 10:10:28 pm
Even with the video called "harassment" isn´t that big of a problem IMO. Of course it caused Seravy to leave the forum (along with the other comments & stuff) we know Seravy is quite... delicate regarding feedback. I think this just deserves an arm twist (aka a good warning) but not a ban. I´ve seen way worse.
Ok, how Volzilla managed to hijack Iced´s profile?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on August 16, 2013, 10:11:58 pm
Ya'll are gonna ban someone over a video? For fuck's sake seriously?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Anti-11 on August 16, 2013, 10:13:14 pm
This. This is mostly why I'm pissed off at the situation right now. The fact that 3 members of the staff are in favor of the ban, including an admin, seem to be giving off the impression that I'm being singled out for some reason.
they did the same thing to me when they banned me a few days ago but its not being singled out its all in your head just let the storm pass
Ya'll are gonna ban someone over a video? For fuck's sake seriously?
banworthy no overreacting yes
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on August 16, 2013, 10:18:43 pm
is there a reason guild is slowly turning into mmv? Since when are we not allowed to "mock" people when its an inside joke to the person ect? it's not rices fault seravy left seravy always was kind of a jerk when it came to taking feedback when he said he wanted it. The idea of guild is supposed to be freedom of speech we are allowed to state whats wrong with something and not fear being banned for it. We are allowed to post our opinion and not fear ect. Why is guild now trying to take that away, rice did like nothing wrong you are freaking out over a title of a video a 1 word title!
I think you guys need to seriously think about how you are deciding to handle things if you seriously want to ban rice for this.
this also applies to the feedback thing regarding hyogo. everything done for the past couple of days mostly has seemed like mmv bullshit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on August 16, 2013, 10:21:37 pm
is there a reason guild is slowly turning into mmv? Since when are we not allowed to "mock" people when its an inside joke to the person ect? it's not rices fault seravy left seravy always was kind of a jerk when it came to taking feedback when he said he wanted it. The idea of guild is supposed to be freedom of speech we are allowed to state whats wrong with something and not fear being banned for it. We are allowed to post our opinion and not fear ect. Why is guild now trying to take that away, rice did like nothing wrong you are freaking out over a title of a video a 1 word title!
You´re paranoid with MMV & stuff. Doubt it will reach that level of "dictatorship".
Now, why do I have the feeling this banning situation is happening just because the video is called "harassment"?? With no investigation in the case beforehand.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on August 16, 2013, 10:29:11 pm
oh its not THAT bad yet but its getting there hence why I said "slowly turning into mmv"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Anti-11 on August 16, 2013, 10:34:10 pm
whatever happens happens bottom line is this small problem is getting way out of hand
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Darkflare on August 16, 2013, 10:36:15 pm
Ok, I seriously doubt guild will turn into another MMV. You have to be quite...."special" to reach that kind of level.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on August 16, 2013, 10:37:32 pm
I doubt it to but they are starting to think in that direction... which is bad.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 16, 2013, 10:37:55 pm
"slowly turning into mmv" is a fucking ridiculous claim. you have a thread here in which people can air their grievances about the forum and staff decisions. anyone that dared question mmv staff would be instantly banned
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on August 16, 2013, 10:39:24 pm
yeah true but the actions are starting to reach that point I don't understand. Why are the mods removing things and punishing ppl for not doing anything wrong? For the most part mfg staff has been well fair and actually made mostly good decisions on this, lately its not seeming the case.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Darkflare on August 16, 2013, 10:42:08 pm
You're getting too paranoid.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on August 16, 2013, 10:43:47 pm
perhaps I am but some of the stuff done lately was definitely not the right course of action. Also if rice is banned for this, that is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 16, 2013, 11:22:53 pm
Ricepigeon, after all that crap making a video named harassment avi was for what purpose? Are you going to tell me that it wasnt to bait him? What other objective could you have expected man? "OH LOOK AT ME IM HARASSING YOU" after posting this:
What other reason was there to bait him like that?
If you're referring to the quote, how is that baiting Seravy? It was an email that I got relating to the incident from a 3rd party, all I did was make it public. I'm not holding Seravy responsible for something that an overzealous fan of his did, most likely without his knowledge or consent, if that's what you were thinking.
As for the second video I've already gave my reasons behind it and I still think it was something that was blown out of proportion. But in case I didn't make it clear:
The video's original title was in reference to one of Seravy's rants on his site where he was equating my feedback to his characters as harassment, specifically the one about the fullscreen super. The video's purpose was feedback on another of his character showing off an infinite, with the title referencing his little blurb on his site, something that numerous people on guild have gotten away with before. I thought it was something relatively harmless given that context, but apparently you don't seem to think so regardless of what I say.
Maybe I'm just paranoid, but most of the times whenever he (RP) posts a found release topic it's usually of a certain....class of character. Again I might just be paranoid but it comes across as trying to bait flaming or wtfever.
Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I get the feeling that you brought up something irrelevant and twisted/misinterpreted it into something to be used against my case. I see a release on another board that's not yet posted in the found releases here. That's not against the rules last time I checked.
MAYBE I'm being baited into losing my cool so my ban could be extended like others before me. But needless to say I'm disappointed you'd try something like this.
Basara, the issue wasn't the video. It was the name of the video titled "Harassment".
That's not something decent ppl do to give feedback to someone that is clearly agitated.
However it isn't worthy of a ban either. Just a warning. After this crapstorm he more than likely learned his lesson.
Pretty much this. I'll admit maybe I did go a bit overboard with the title but I still think it was something that was relatively harmless. I have to be frank but this gives off the impression that Guild's staff is going to start policing people's videos and shit now, which is something I would expect from someone like volzilla. Yes, I did post it here but the impression still stands.
you are throwing yourself up at the walls instead of simply telling me what purpose could you expect of calling a feedback video harassment.avi when replying to someone that complained about being harassed.
Explain me how that wasnt a poke trying to get on his nerves when you yourself admitted it was based on a complaint he had about your feedback.
or you could keep overreacting and trying to claim you are being policed just because you are being asked that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on August 16, 2013, 11:28:09 pm
No one has been banned yet. (besides that dude who is almost certainly Custom Soul, but that doesn't count!) Everyone is still discussing things. I myself am still wavering back and forth on the issue! Discussion is good!
Comparing this whole brouhaha to MMV is absolutely ludicrous.
Had one of the staff intervened, as I know they're capable of doing because I've been Jmorph do it before in other threads where situations started to get out of hand, and told me to stop I would have easily complied and this situation could have been avoided. But jumping straight to discussing a ban is just unprofessional imo.
By the time any of us noticed it (and it was due only to the fact that the thread was locked), it was too late.
Edit: For the record, Seravy gloating about his "victory" that hasnt even happened yet on his site is also pretty childish:
It is pretty dang childish, but who cares? Let him be childish and silly about fullscreen moves. As long as he isn't hurting anyone, it doesn't really matter.
With what happened regarding Tomo's Videl and Seravy with feedback I feel as if giving feedback to some authors is now completely pointless.
You can't be serious.
Videl has ONE, ONE piece of valid feedback. The rest was just whinging about how Tomo never listened to feedback. Seravy's thread had very useful feedback, and everything was pretty fine until that video.
There is no need to walk on eggshells or lament the death of feedback. It is so, so simple to leave feedback without being a douche; it's very easy to support why you think move x should behave like y as opposed to it currently behaving like z without being obnoxious. Leaving feedback doesn't give you carte blanche to act like a damn fool.
Since when are we not allowed to "mock" people when its an inside joke to the person ect? it's not rices fault seravy left seravy always was kind of a jerk when it came to taking feedback when he said he wanted it.
Since always, at least in the release section. There is a very clear and distinct line between what is reasonable and what is not. Joking around with an author is good. Titling a video "harassment" is not. This is exceedingly obvious. Whether Seravy was being a jerk or not is completely irrelevant.
This is why I feel we should allow users to delete replies to their release threads. I've mentioned this before but I just get the whole "They should toughen up and use it or ignore it!"
Nah that wouldn't go well. We have the report posts button for a reason.
As for the other stuff, I've finally got around to catching up with it. Ricepigeon I don't think you should get a ban for your behavior, even if you did I promise it would be a slap on the wrist. And just a reminded to everyone he hasn't been banned yet obviously, since he still posting here. :P
The reason why any action has even been considered for a thread like that over stuff like what that happens in All That's Left is because release threads have a higher standard for replies. We want to keep down harassment of authors in their release threads in order to encouraged a positive environment for continued releases. This is because of how important contributions are to Mugen. So in the future, when helping with feedback like I saw that you did in that thread(and you were providing some excellent feedback), please be a bit more respectful with it. That goes for everyone.
If someone doesn't want to take your feedback, that's ok and they don't have to. Just like you don't have to continue helping with your feedback. There's nothing wrong, either, with a counterargument as to why you insist on your feedback but it doesn't need to progress to the point of hostility. Please don't let any of this discourage anyone from giving feedback, feedback is important towards helping creators improve themselves. I know that I'm personally as well versed in Mugen as I am thanks to feedback and help from other users of this forum.
Edit: Just to be clear, RicePigeon it is not ok to provoke authors in a release thread the way you did with the title of the videos so please don't do that in the future. That's why I meant by "try to be a bit more respectful with it."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Anti-11 on August 16, 2013, 11:42:44 pm
Shame things can't be that simple all the time
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on August 16, 2013, 11:43:38 pm
Hyogo's first post in that thread consisted entirely of "you're a jerk because you don't listen to my feedback, so this character probably sux"
Wow, I just love how you took it the wrong way. But that's you so I'm not really surprised since you're rather "Trigger-Happy" in these situations.
Tomo has asked for feedback on his characters, I gave him some valid points where he needed on some areas to improve from Sprite quality to some gameplay mechanics to be changed to fit for the style he's aiming for, you clearly didn't read the feedback I gave him before and clearly didn't read my reasons deep enough.
But as I said, that doesn't matter anymore so kindly shut up about it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on August 16, 2013, 11:47:19 pm
Tomo has asked for feedback on his characters, I gave him some valid points where he needed on some areas to improve from Sprite quality to some gameplay mechanics to be changed to fit for the style he's aiming for, you clearly didn't read the feedback I gave him before and clearly didn't read my post deep enough.
And he obviously didn't implement it, or respond. Your first post in a new release consisted entirely of prissy outrage. That ain't cool. Doesn't matter what the circumstances are.
But as I said, that doesn't matter anymore so kindly shut up about it.
Dude, c'mon. Stop being childish.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on August 16, 2013, 11:52:07 pm
The only childish thing I've done today is made my contributions private from now on.
Otherwise, This "Prissy" event is going to end right now, Do your role as a Moderator and support that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on August 16, 2013, 11:53:58 pm
The only reason I brought it up was because someone said that that thread was a sign that giving feedback was pointless. It is my role as a moderator to make it clear that that is not the case. :|
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 16, 2013, 11:56:33 pm
Videl has ONE, ONE piece of valid feedback. The rest was just whinging about how Tomo never listened to feedback. Seravy's thread had very useful feedback, and everything was pretty fine until that video.
There is no need to walk on eggshells or lament the death of feedback. It is so, so simple to leave feedback without being a douche; it's very easy to support why you think move x should behave like y as opposed to it currently behaving like z without being obnoxious. Leaving feedback doesn't give you carte blanche to act like a damn fool.
Hmmm I may have misunderstood the situation when I posted that, I understand what you mean.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on August 17, 2013, 12:05:13 am
The only reason I brought it up was because someone said that that thread was a sign that giving feedback was pointless. It is my role as a moderator to make it clear that that is not the case. :|
I honestly have no doubts of his opinion, It might as-well be pointless if it's going to turn out into such a mess like this. But...uggh, I hate it when stuff like this happens, always hate getting into a mess with people I've respected so long.
You made your contributions private over what? I wasnt following before.
I made my contributions private, I made them private because there's no reason to carry on making content for the pure reason of Ignorance, barely anyone liked my content to begin with so in all respect, I'm doing them a favor.
It might sound childish, but it's my choice at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 12:08:40 am
Reason of ignorance? you make it sound as if you thought your work was ignorant? I dont get exactly where you are going with that.
I think you can agree that needling and poking someone until they quit to be undesirable on the long term, yes? That release threads need feedback, but that what some are doing is not feedback , but just using it as a outlet to insult people.
As far as ricepigeon, his feedback was great , its the whole harassment avi that I dont get, why needle the guy, thats what I want to know. What was the "good" outcome to come of that? Cuz I can only see two outcomes of poking someone repeatedly, and its that they either snap back at you or they leave. And he left.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Daniel9999999 on August 17, 2013, 12:10:38 am
As far as ricepigeon, his feedback was great , its the whole harassment avi that I dont get, why needle the guy, thats what I want to know. What was the "good" outcome to come of that? Cuz I can only see two outcomes of poking someone repeatedly, and its that they either snap back at you or they leave. And he left.
It's a joke reffering to how Seravy saw some feedback as "harrassment" and "trolling". (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1814905)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on August 17, 2013, 12:11:15 am
you make it sound as if you thought your work was ignored?
Sorry to say this, but... Fixed. I think he meant that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on August 17, 2013, 12:13:14 am
I think the topic of possibly banning RicePigeon came up too quickly, even if said ban was intended as a slap on the wrist. Even if he "flamebaited" Seravy (which wasn't the case, he's told me so himself iirc), the staff still skipped simply telling RicePigeon to stop.
From what I understand, banning and whatnot are supposed to be fallbacks, not the first course of action. What I see out of this is Jmorphman just immediately suggesting a ban for a video title that he and the others misinterpreted, rather than discussing it with RP via a PM first.
I don't want to sound like MC2, but I feel like the staff has just been off the ball lately. Either they're not doing anything until it's too late, or they're jumping the gun and suggesting bans when they should warn a user first because they didn't read deep enough into things.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on August 17, 2013, 12:14:39 am
I think you can agree that needling and poking someone until they quit to be undesirable on the long term, yes? That release threads need feedback, but that what some are doing is not feedback , but just using it as a outlet to insult people.
As far as ricepigeon, his feedback was great , its the whole harassment avi that I dont get, why needle the guy, thats what I want to know. What was the "good" outcome to come of that? Cuz I can only see two outcomes of poking someone repeatedly, and its that they either snap back at you or they leave. And he left.
I agree with Iced on this in conjunction to what I posted earlier.
As far as ricepigeon, his feedback was great , its the whole harassment avi that I dont get, why needle the guy, thats what I want to know. What was the "good" outcome to come of that? Cuz I can only see two outcomes of poking someone repeatedly, and its that they either snap back at you or they leave. And he left.
It's a joke reffering to how Seravy saw some feedback as "harrassment" and "trolling". (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1814905)
Knowing he felt that way, dont you all think there should have been a better way to give him feedback than to mock his ass in his own thread? Seriously? What reactions was he left with?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Daniel9999999 on August 17, 2013, 12:20:44 am
Knowing he felt that way, dont you all think there should have been a better way to give him feedback than to mock his ass in his own thread? Seriously? What reactions was he left with?
There was a better way, a while ago before the thing began to spiral and he began to act childishly. We wouldn't have acted like this to him if he didn't act in such a way.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 12:24:05 am
so he either complied or he deserved what he had coming to him? What if he didnt want to comply?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on August 17, 2013, 12:25:15 am
What I see out of this is Jmorphman just immediately suggesting a ban for a video title that he and the others misinterpreted, rather than discussing it with RP via a PM first.
I suggested that we discuss what to do about it, and brought up a ban as a possibility.
I don't see why we would need to PM RP? The only thing that matters is that Seravy felt that he was being harassed, not whether RP felt he was doing any harassment. Intent is moot here.
I don't want to sound like MC2, but I feel like the staff has just been off the ball lately. Either they're not doing anything until it's too late, or they're jumping the gun and suggesting bans when they should warn a user first because they didn't read deep enough into things.
Believe it or not, but we are not omniscient. We don't scour the forums to look for every possible injustice. We rely on you guys to report things. This whole situation only occurred because of luck, no one had reported it before it was already over.
And we have, in fact, read deeply into things. The fact that we do not agree with the same conclusions you have made does not make that fact untrue.
There was a better way, a while ago before the thing began to spiral and he began to act childishly. We wouldn't have acted like this to him if he didn't act in such a way.
"He started it" is not a valid excuse. Act better than him, then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Daniel9999999 on August 17, 2013, 12:28:24 am
so he either complied or he deserved what he had coming to him? What if he didnt want to comply?
You forget he could have not complied, but with a better attitude. There's a difference between saying "no" and saying "no you trolls stop harrassing me"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 17, 2013, 12:34:47 am
It was still provocation, and doing that in release threads to authors isn't ok. Ok? :)
Yeah okay no, this has to stop. The problem is people getting offended over obvious jokes. Seravy and some others claimed feedbacks were harassment, RP named his video like that to mock that, and Seravy felt offended - but feeling offended doesn't mean he's right. He's always been like that, and he deserved it, because calling those things harassment was just plain stupid. There may be a fine line between a mob of people trying to force a different guy to fit in and a nutso fighting back loads of people talking common sense, but that line is obvious. We are clever people and we can tell the difference. Seravy is crazy, always been, always will be. Sure RP didn't HAVE to do it and it wasn't very nice, but you're trying to pass it off as bullying or some shit and that's just terrible. You can't just declare that certain people are immune to criticism and mockery when they say something stupid, just because it's their thread. No, it's not fucking okay if I make a shitty topic and piss on all the guys who come and tell me my topic is shitty, and then make a scene and quit, expecting to be defended just because I made the topic. You do not defend people like that. You have common sense, you have to draw a line somewhere.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on August 17, 2013, 12:35:54 am
I suggested that we discuss what to do about it, and brought up a ban as a possibility.
I don't see why we would need to PM RP? The only thing that matters is that Seravy felt that he was being harassed, not whether RP felt he was doing any harassment. Intent is moot here.
I suppose I misinterpreted what you said in your first post in Warnings. My bad.
The PM would be to warn RP to cut things like this out in the future. You've done things like this before, yes? I don't see why such a course of action would be out of place in this situation.
Believe it or not, but we are not omniscient. We don't scour the forums to look for every possible injustice. We rely on you guys to report things. This whole situation only occurred because of luck, no one had reported it before it was already over.
And we have, in fact read deeply into things. The fact that we do not agree with the same conclusions you have made does not make that fact untrue.
I never attempted to imply that. What I'm saying is that even with reports, a lot of things were moving slowly. I wasn't just referring to the Seravy thing when I said that.
The way you and the others were going about this made me think otherwise. Thinking that "harassment.avi" was flamebaiting when it was a simple poke gave off that impression. Besides, Seravy reacted to that video a lot more gracefully in the comments than before, given its content. He may have denounced its title when he posted about it on MFG, but he said in the comments of said video that it was indeed a bug worth pointing out. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.
so he either complied or he deserved what he had coming to him? What if he didnt want to comply?
You forget he could have not complied, but with a better attitude. There's a difference between saying "no" and saying "no you trolls stop harrassing me"
And thats the point where he is obviously not receptive and there's no point in needling him further until he either leaves or accepts that he is dumb or whatever the intention was. this isnt that hard. people dont react well to being insulted and will leave over that. Its attitudes like that , that created the dark era of mugen where everyone would rush to jump into and insult creators that did things they didnt enjoy until they left. Not everyone is going to do things you enjoy or accept your criticism well, it doesnt become a point of honour to try to bash him until he leaves. Unless you like empty forums.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 17, 2013, 12:50:35 am
Like I said, you're trying to pass off a single video with a mocking title for mob bullying. That's bullshit. Seravy leaving was all himself, it wasn't a gang bashing, it was one guy mocking him with the title of one video, and it was a very obvious joke in the context of Seravy's followers claiming harassment. You don't threaten a guy with a ban for something so simple that's happened only once (or at least that you've gotten mad about only once). You tell him to back off, you can even tell him to back the fuck off if you think it was this bad, but threatening with a ban is just you pushing for empty forums over some PTSD shit you think you're experiencing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on August 17, 2013, 12:51:59 am
Yeah okay no, this has to stop. The problem is people getting offended over obvious jokes. Seravy and some others claimed feedbacks were harassment, RP named his video like that to mock that, and Seravy felt offended - but feeling offended doesn't mean he's right. He's always been like that, and he deserved it, because calling those things harassment was just plain stupid. There may be a fine line between a mob of people trying to force a different guy to fit in and a nutso fighting back loads of people talking common sense, but that line is obvious. We are clever people and we can tell the difference. Seravy is crazy, always been, always will be. Sure RP didn't HAVE to do it and it wasn't very nice, but you're trying to pass it off as bullying or some shit and that's just terrible. You can't just declare that certain people are immune to criticism and mockery when they say something stupid, just because it's their thread. No, it's not fucking okay if I make a shitty topic and piss on all the guys who come and tell me my topic is shitty, and then make a scene and quit, expecting to be defended just because I made the topic. You have common sense, you have to draw a line somewhere.
The line is mocking people and their releases in a release thread. Which isn't ok to do, sorry. Sevary wasn't saying anything that warranted mockery when Ricepigeon posted that first video that was titled "Fullscreen Attack Tutorial by Seravy". Sevary didn't make a shitty topic and piss all over guys who said it was shitty. He made a release topic, read feedback and updated the character to address it, and said why he wasn't going to adjust others. He wasn't saying anything about harassment until Rice posted the first video. You do know that there was two videos, right?
Oh and like I said earlier, Ricepigeon shouldn't be banned, I don't think. Just stuff like needless provocation doesn't need to happen in release threads, from him or anyone. I'm sorry if you disagree with that but the rest of the staff and I aren't going to bend on that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 12:58:14 am
Like I said, you're trying to pass off a single video with a mocking title for mob bullying. That's bullshit. Seravy leaving was all himself, it wasn't a gang bashing, it was one guy mocking him with the title of one video, and it was a very obvious joke in the context of Seravy's followers claiming harassment. You don't threaten a guy with a ban for something so simple that's happened only once (or at least that you've gotten mad about only once). You tell him to back off, you can even tell him to back the fuck off if you think it was this bad, but threatening with a ban is just you pushing for empty forums over some PTSD shit you think you're experiencing.
Pigeon hasnt been banned. We are discussing what happened, you see who was banned? It wasnt pigeon it was the other guy trying to flamebait on the thread. But for all means keep going on about ptsd and how this is overreacting.
So far no one answered me what was the purpose of naming the video like that when the guy just said he felt harassed , instead I had sanae admit they were jumping on him because he wasnt complying. Why do you think this is the right attitude?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on August 17, 2013, 01:09:43 am
There was a better way, a while ago before the thing began to spiral and he began to act childishly. We wouldn't have acted like this to him if he didn't act in such a way.
We did not jump on him, because that'd mean Seravy did not do a thing, but he did, he misinterpreted obvious jokes and acted in a childish manner towards things.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 17, 2013, 01:13:03 am
Going by how the situation feels, RP sure got the warning, I think that should be left at it, as the course of action does not justify a ban; if he had been warned before the posted the video or something, that might have guaranteed a ban.
there is also a general message to feedback givers, try to be as less as douchey as possible, in an ideal world people would take your feedback while ignoring the way it is presented; in the real world they can easily get pissed off because of that and completely disregard the feedback, let's not forget that most creators haev their own agenda and they have every right to ignore even well presented and valid feedback.
in practice, bad feedback presentation requires more effort than giving neutral feedback and it won't ever have any advantage over it, so it's better to jsut present neutral feedback, or if the creator does not listen at all, just stop giving him feedback.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 17, 2013, 01:15:11 am
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He wasn't saying anything about harassment until Rice posted the first video.
Of course, RP totally made it up, he's the only one who said the word "harassment", it came right out of nowhere in this video, did it ? I didn't follow the topic and I'm not sure when Seravy said it (CAN says he did), but I know from the quote topic that at least his followers made that very claim, and I'm at least assuming that RP named the video in response to that. so it's still mockery of their overreaction. And yes, it's okay, because it's so damn obvious that it's a joke. "Lol look at me, what I'm posting is what they call harassment". The part where it's a joke is that it's obviously not harassment, and the part where it's a mockery is that they call it harassment. And what makes it okay is that it IS very clearly an overreaction on their part. Again, just because Seravy made the topic, doesn't make him immune to criticism and mockery over stupid things that were said. You just don't get to say it's not okay for the sole reason that it's his topic. You don't make absolute rules like that. There are exceptions to everything, and if it's the topic author's fault, then yes, it's okay to mock him. It's not okay to actually HARASS him in his topic, but we're right back to where this very clearly WASN'T really harassment. I agree that you don't ATTACK someone in his own release topic, but this WASN'T anywhere near that.
Pigeon hasnt been banned. We are discussing what happened, you see who was banned?
I didn't say you banned him. It still was the first thing that came up about this, the first word that was said about it was "ban". Are you going to be offended at my shortcut or at my implication that you already banned him somehow even though he's still posting ? Do you think I'm just that much fucking stupid that I didn't see him post in this very topic, or JMM posting the same thing as you ("no one has been banned yet") ? Should I feel offended that you would think I'm this blind or dumb or are you asking a false question to make it sound like I am this blind and dumb ?
So far no one answered me what was the purpose of naming the video like that when the guy just said he felt harassed
Yeah, the two posts I alone have made saying "it was obvious banter and mocking their overreaction" don't count at all or you just want to be blind and claim "no one has been able to explain it". Are you kidding me, saying no one explained it ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on August 17, 2013, 01:16:45 am
I didn't follow the topic and I'm not sure when Seravy said it (CAN says he did)
He said that right about here. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/marisa-kirisame-released-major-update-all-touhou-characters-and-some-others-152716.msg1814905.html#msg1814905)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on August 17, 2013, 01:20:45 am
What I see out of this is Jmorphman just immediately suggesting a ban for a video title that he and the others misinterpreted, rather than discussing it with RP via a PM first.
I suggested that we discuss what to do about it, and brought up a ban as a possibility.
I don't see why we would need to PM RP? The only thing that matters is that Seravy felt that he was being harassed, not whether RP felt he was doing any harassment. Intent is moot here.
Jmorphman I feel that you are harassing me. Please surrender your modship and send me $100 via Paypal to stop this harassment at once. :T
...But seriously no. What a person feels is irrelevant, whether it's justified is what you should concern yourself with, otherwise you cater to everyone's psychoses.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 01:23:07 am
So far no one answered me what was the purpose of naming the video like that when the guy just said he felt harassed
Yeah, the two posts I alone have made saying "it was obvious banter and mocking their overreaction" don't count at all or you just want to be blind and claim "no one has been able to explain it". Are you kidding me, saying no one explained it ?
Are you telling me that i should have said "no one involved" in order for you to understand that I am not expecting YOU specifically to explain the intent? I did not take you as needing to have that explained.
Ive asked again what was the intent and all im getting from them is "IT WAS JUSTIFIED HE WASNT DOING WHAT WE WANTED" I dont see people understanding why this would be a bad idea to begin with.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 17, 2013, 01:25:19 am
What I would expect is you to find that answer yourself, considering I also said it was very fucking obvious. Should I have said "you're clever, you should see it by yourself, why are you even asking this question" ? Wait, I did. And I didn't even read the topic, and even I can see it very clearly just from the shitstorm it has pulled. And just from it being about Seravy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 01:26:58 am
What I would expect is you to find that answer yourself, considering I also said it was very fucking obvious. Should I have said "you're clever, you should see it by yourself, why are you even asking this question" ? Wait, I did.
Hey how about you lay off ? In case you havent understood yet im not asking this because I cant infer the answer, Im asking it because I want them to answer me to see if they understood why it was a bad idea.
Jesus christ byakko you are being so dense right now. Havent you noticed I wasnt directing questions at you AT ALL?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 17, 2013, 01:28:38 am
Havent you noticed I wasnt directing questions at you AT ALL?
I don't know, have you noticed it didn't even matter who you were asking the question to ? As for checking up if the persons involved have figured out it wasn't a good idea, have you noticed them say that exact thing, even if they didn't directly respond to your question ? Here, let me pull a quote where he gives you a response for that :
Had one of the staff intervened, as I know they're capable of doing because I've been Jmorph do it before in other threads where situations started to get out of hand, and told me to stop I would have easily complied and this situation could have been avoided. But jumping straight to discussing a ban is just unprofessional imo.
The part where he says he would have stopped if someone spoke to him. That's not a good enough answer for your question ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 01:34:42 am
Complying just because someone threatens you and then following up with an argument about how it wasnt disrespectful does not mean he understood anything. Every answer you are giving me are making you out to be less aware of what you are talking about.
I was talking to them, not you, you are just trying to insert yourself onto a situation you yourself admit you know nothing about, you werent even aware of where seravy had talked about this.
We get it, you think seravy should be mocked just because of who he is and you dont know anything about what is going on but you want to be listened to. Now scram and let people talk it throught without your white noise. You already showed you had nothing to add to this when you admitted you werent aware of the argument.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on August 17, 2013, 01:37:22 am
We did not jump on him, because that'd mean Seravy did not do a thing, but he did, he misinterpreted obvious jokes and acted in a childish manner towards things.
That's your viewpoint of what happened. His viewpoint is that him and his character were mocked in that first video, that you wouldn't accept "no I'm not gonna do it" as an answer(which he has every right to decline your feedback), continued with it after he asked you to stop, and then posting that second video was the final straw. Do you see now that there are two sides to this coin? Whether or not certain things were meant as a joke or not doesn't mean it wasn't also a mockery. And it was completely unnecessary, none of this had to happen the way it did.
So the whole point of telling you guys that kind of provocation isn't encouraged for releases is so that this stuff doesn't happen in the future. Regardless of whether you think your and Rice's part had you guys doing nothing wrong or not, it shouldn't be happening and shouldn't be encouraged to happen. And since it's not necessary please don't do it anymore.
Of course, RP totally made it up, he's the only one who said the word "harassment", it came right out of nowhere in this video, did it ? I didn't follow the topic and I'm not sure when Seravy said it (CAN says he did), but I know from the quote topic that at least his followers made that very claim, and I'm at least assuming that RP named the video in response to that. so it's still mockery of their overreaction. And yes, it's okay, because it's so damn obvious that it's a joke. "Lol look at me, what I'm posting is what they call harassment". The part where it's a joke is that it's obviously not harassment, and the part where it's a mockery is that they call it harassment. And what makes it okay is that it IS very clearly an overreaction on their part. Again, just because Seravy made the topic, doesn't make him immune to criticism and mockery over stupid things that were said. You just don't get to say it's not okay for the sole reason that it's his topic. You don't make absolute rules like that. There are exceptions to everything, and if it's the topic author's fault, then yes, it's okay to mock him. It's not okay to actually HARASS him in his topic, but we're right back to where this very clearly WASN'T really harassment. I agree that you don't ATTACK someone in his own release topic, but this WASN'T anywhere near that.
First of all, seeing as you admit you didn't follow the topic, I actually did go through and you completely got the order of events wrong. Ricepigeon mocked Sevary first by posting the first video BEFORE Seravy or "his followers" said anything about harassment. Sevary overreacted or not, which I didn't even say anything about, isn't the issue that I'm addressing(Iced addressed that better). Rice's mockery happened BEFORE Sevary said anything that you call stupid. Whether this was a joke or not doesn't matter because even if it is a joke it can just as easily be seen as mockery. Before you make a judgement on things like this, you should probably read up more on what happened because you're really coming off as really biased and misinformed.
You say things like "this is okay" and are giving me commands about what should and shouldn't be allowed on this forum. I'm part of the staff and it's not ok and release threads are no place for mockery, even on this level. It's not your place to judge what is and isn't mockery. Sevary felt is was mockery and not only him but several members of the staff see it that way too. That's why you're wrong on this. You're not helping resolving this issue with your posts on this either.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 01:39:54 am
There weren't any threats going on anywhere in this Seravy situation aside from him threatening to report any further replies. :stare:
im talking about the scenario where he would have been warned brah. He says he would have stopped if warned, that doesnt show he thought the behaviour was wrong or anything like that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 17, 2013, 01:42:47 am
I was talking to them, not you, you are just trying to insert yourself onto a situation you yourself admit you know nothing about, you werent even aware of where seravy had talked about this.
Are you fucking serious ? You guys are brewing this shitstorm, and you're just mad I'm not on your side. You're still talking like banning is an option, and this kind of attitude affects the whole forum because you're running it. Everyone SHOULD have the right to "insert themselves" about matters like that, and this section was supposed to show that. You discussed something in the warning thread, this topic is to get feedbacks over what forum users think of your policies. I'm not trying to insert myself in the RicePigeon/Seravy topic (I'm distancing myself from it), I'm "inserting myself" in the kind of rules the forum is trying to enforce, and I'm doing it because this is what this topic is for. And just fuck off with trying to say I "insert myself" in situations that don't concern me as if I was some kind of attention whore. I know everything I need to know for the things I say here. You just think I'm talking about more than I really am.
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First of all, seeing as you admit you didn't follow the topic, I actually did go through and you completely got the order of events wrong. Ricepigeon mocked Sevary first by posting the first video BEFORE Seravy or "his followers" said anything about harassment.
Sorry no, that first video was legit. That's why I'm disregarding it. The whole matter of the discussion is the video that was titled "harassment", as Seravy himself pointed out.
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It's not your place to judge what is and isn't mockery.
It's everyone's place. It's common sense. that's the point I'm making.
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Sevary felt is was mockery
Now you're getting it backward. Seravy thought it was HARASSMENT, and apparently he left over that. I'm the one saying it was mockery.
By the way, the problem I'm having is that some people were immediately calling for a ban. You're saying a warning is fine, so that means you and I are actually agreeing. Like you, I also think that harassment and attacks are not okay. I'm simply saying RP didn't do any of that. He was mocking him, which deserves a warning, but not a ban. I'm agreeing with you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on August 17, 2013, 01:43:17 am
im talking about the scenario where he would have been warned brah. He says he would have stopped if warned, that doesnt show he thought the behaviour was wrong or anything like that.
What he meant was that he was willing to comply to being warned because he would have known that he went overboard.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 01:51:32 am
im talking about the scenario where he would have been warned brah. He says he would have stopped if warned, that doesnt show he thought the behaviour was wrong or anything like that.
What he meant was that he was willing to comply to being warned because he would have known that he went overboard.
And I wanted him to clarify that, which was why I was asking him what I asked. Ofcourse byakko had to try and make it all about him, someone that even admits he has no clue about what went on. But we all know that he is a contrarian by nature, he just felt it was the right time to jump in and point at himself repeatedly over the situation instead of letting pigeon or any of the others reply about the situation that was created around themselves.
As you can see , I just want rice to tell me things from his perspective, instead of getting byakko telling me what he thinks someone else perspective is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 17, 2013, 01:53:00 am
Ofcourse byakko had to try and make it all about him
That's enough of your bullshit. Nowhere am I making this about myself. I never am and you always make this bullshit claim, maybe because someone doesn't agree with you or something. Is it completely forbidden for anyone to take part in any discussion lest they're making it about themselves ? That's supposed to be called opinions, and in a topic called "feedbacks to how the forum works", it's totally justified.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on August 17, 2013, 01:54:37 am
I know everything I need to know for the things I say here.
Not if you got the order of events completely wrong. You thought Sevary called feedback harassment and he didn't. And said he deserved to be mocked because of things that he didn't say until after he was provoked. If your posts were more informed about what happened and your opinions were based on that they would be more appropriate instead of you making up how things happened and saying "this is wrong and you should do this".
Stepping back and looking at it from all viewpoints though, my opinion is that the videos were meant to be a joke but they also mocked Sevary and his character. The titles were mean-spirited, though mildly so. Sevary over-reacted a bit to it. Everyone should avoid doing stuff like this in the future. Keep it out of release threads. No one should be banned. I hope everyone considers that to be fair and reasonable.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 17, 2013, 01:56:46 am
Not if you got the order of events completely wrong. You thought Sevary called feedback harassment and he didn't.
He DID. CAN posted a link to his post. After the first video. The second video (a full page later) is RP mocking him about it. The first video was legit feedback (the title was another joke because something about Seravy supposedly fixing something but making it broken or whatever). Seravy called it harassment. RP posted a second video, calling it harassment - and again the content was legit feedback, even confirmed by Seravy himself. I didn't get it wrong.
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Stepping back and looking at it from all viewpoints though, my opinion is that the videos were meant to be a joke but they also mocked Sevary and his character. The titles were mean-spirited, though mildly so. Sevary over-reacted a bit to it. Everyone should avoid doing stuff like this in the future. Keep it out of release threads. No one should be banned. I hope everyone considers that to be fair and reasonable.
I agree again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 02:04:29 am
Ofcourse byakko had to try and make it all about him
That's enough of your bullshit. Nowhere am I making this about myself. I never am and you always make this bullshit claim, maybe because someone doesn't agree with you or something. Is it completely forbidden for anyone to take part in any discussion lest they're making it about themselves ? That's supposed to be called opinions, and in a topic called "feedbacks to how the forum works", it's totally justified.
then stop trying to dismiss my questions to rice and let him answer instead of acting as if its obvious or whatever, jesus christ.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on August 17, 2013, 02:05:49 am
He never called any of the other feedback harassment. And in fact, it wasn't him that said that the title was harassment. It was someone else. You said that Sevary deserved criticism and mockery for calling feedback harassment but 1. he didn't say it was harassment 2. what you consider him deserving to be made fun of happened after a video was posted that made fun of him in its title.
This is what he posted after the video:
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You are not doing that to provide feedback. You already posted the feedback here. I already answered it, too. You and other people pushed for the change a few more times, and I said I won't do it and it's final, and let's stop this and talk about something else. Then you post a video like that. Why? It's hard not to take your video personal when you label it as "how to code fullscreen attacks tutorial by Seravy". That title is a personal one. Very much so, actually. And it's public. You even posted in the video thread. You intentionally didn't mention the low damage which is balancing the whole move out, despite knowing about it. It gives off the feeling that you are trying to make fun of me, or to make others think I'm a bad creator. This is not the first time it happens, either. You did similar videos about bugs in BETA versions of Kaguya and Marisa. Bugs that were fixed immediately...
If you want to express your opinion about Event Horizon's blockstun, you can do so by voting in the poll like everyone else, if you haven't already. Other than that, I don't want to hear more about it. I already wasted a whole day on being angry over this and doing nothing. A whole day that could have given Sakuya all of her normal attacks. My poor Sakuya, can't even throw a knife yet, and I have to deal with bashing videos and nonsense like someone saying you can spam a level 2 super all the time or that the lowest damage level 2 super move on the character is the only thing worth using.
One very last time, stop asking for Event Horizon to be punishable on block. This is the last warning. The next person doing it is going to be reported. Authors have the right to make their characters in the way they see fit. They have the right to listen to requests or say no to them. I'm quite sure repeatedly asking for something after you have already been told "no" multiple times is against at least some forum rules.
If you want to provide feedback on the remaining 18 characters, feel free to do so. I'll most likely say "thank you" for it if you find actual problems, as usual. But posting bashing videos about my design choices and pushing for changes on things that do not hinder the playability of the character after I already said no multiple times are not welcome here. I consider those offensive/disruptive acts.
Regardless, the video came first.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on August 17, 2013, 02:13:52 am
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You are not doing that to provide feedback. You already posted the feedback here. I already answered it, too. You and other people pushed for the change a few more times, and I said I won't do it and it's final, and let's stop this and talk about something else. Then you post a video like that. Why? It's hard not to take your video personal when you label it as "how to code fullscreen attacks tutorial by Seravy". That title is a personal one. Very much so, actually. And it's public. You even posted in the video thread.
I've posted feedback videos with "personal" titles before and never got any negative reaction before. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71wr4cjqPn8)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 17, 2013, 02:14:14 am
@Iced & Caddie : You're both right in these two posts and I'm stepping down. Just letting you know I'm won't interfere further.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on August 17, 2013, 02:15:13 am
@ Caddie
The "harassment" comment is from the comments on the first video RicePigeon posted (the one titles Full Screen Attack Turorial by Seravy), as in the comments on Youtube.
This came before the video titled "harassment.avi." So indeed Seravy was the first one to start throwing the word harassment around. Just clarifying that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on August 17, 2013, 02:18:14 am
Thanks for pointing that out, Sean. I retract what I said about Sevary never saying that the first video was harassment.
C.A.N: Can you provide some more context to that video? Where was it posted and what was it in reply to?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Anti-11 on August 17, 2013, 02:44:49 am
I love how one title on youtube turn into almost 6 pages of drama, but seriously rice pigeon is not going to get banned so why we still on this topic?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on August 17, 2013, 02:46:52 am
C.A.N: Can you provide some more context to that video? Where was it posted and what was it in reply to?
@Caddie: I posted it in the video thread along with a PM to Kamekaze because of a bug that was supposedly not happening on his end. Now that I think about it, that probably wasn't the best thing for me to bring up. :-\ Also, it seems odd how Rice is being singled out in this thread even with links to the other topic having clear evidence that other people partook in said "harassment," including myself (albeit a minor role compared to the others). I understand that people think Rice was the biggest instigator, but it just feels odd that nobody is discussing the others that were involved.
That's all I have to say until somebody else drags me back in. This is just getting ridiculous and I'm honestly rather sick of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Anti-11 on August 17, 2013, 02:58:18 am
I agree
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on August 17, 2013, 03:01:32 am
It's like this because someone left over it. It shouldn't be happening but usually people don't make a big issue out of it like this. It shouldn't be happening at all though. If someone notices it, it'll be addressed. We don't see everything that happens here.
If you think we're being inconsistent, the consistent view point is supposed to be that fighting and insults aren't supposed to be in release threads. There might be cases where the topic creator starts it but what this usually means is none of stuff like "this character sucks".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on August 17, 2013, 03:19:39 am
Oh come on, you´re all looking at this like the biggest of deals. Seravy claimed some feedback as "harassment", RicePigeon named the video that way as a mock regarding Seravy. Seravy leaves because of this, that´s his problem if he couldn´t take it because it wasn´t meant as an insult but I will make guilty the feedbackers for pushing the situation way too far with the feedback, like "if you don´t this bla bla bla" or "because in fighting games it´s like this bla bla bla".
Some people have to understand that some creators have the choice to ignore the feedback they want to ignore, if you try to convice him once ok, twice cause you´re persistent. Why a 3rd freaking time then?? Geez.
Exactly the same thing when a shitty release appears, he doesn´t listen to feedback, you push the feedback down his/her throat and shitfest happens.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on August 17, 2013, 05:39:43 am
you are throwing yourself up at the walls instead of simply telling me what purpose could you expect of calling a feedback video harassment.avi when replying to someone that complained about being harassed.
Explain me how that wasnt a poke trying to get on his nerves when you yourself admitted it was based on a complaint he had about your feedback.
or you could keep overreacting and trying to claim you are being policed just because you are being asked that.
Now that I think about it, perhaps I did get carried away. But as Byakko said, it was a reference to one of his blog entries on his site, and me satirizing the general reaction of equating feedback as harassment. With regards to the first video, it was mostly me trying to think of a creative title to point out the flaws, but I guess that backfired and I clearly wasn't thinking, as I didn't think anything would come of it.
As for the second video, Seravy's claim of harassment was beginning to irritate me a bit, so my frustration also played a part in it. The fact that one of his followers decided to send me a very colorful email about it (which can be seen in the QOTD thread) didnt help matters either. It was moreso me trying to vent this frustration through satire than any ill intent toward Seravy, while at the same time doing what I had done prior to this incident, which was to provide feedback to him.
I'm not even fully sure anymore if it was just me getting carried away by making a tongue-in-cheek joke and not fully realizing what I was doing or Seravy overreacting that started it, but it should never have reached this level. So I may as well bury the hatchet now and take this opportunity to apologize for my part in the whole situation, especially toward Seravy in particular. If a ban is still on the table after this, then I may as well start serving it now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 17, 2013, 06:30:40 am
I dont think a ban is needed, if it had happened it would have been a slap more than anything else, and this conversation is far more effective than that.
Im sure Rice that you understand that the needling would get him to react somehow eventually, you recognize you got carried away,I just ask you to not get so carried away with things like this. Your feedback was fine, very useful even, and even seravy recognized that but there's no reason to poke someone repeatedly, when people are backed into a corner they can either ignore it, attack back or leave. He felt mocked and had asked you to not do that, you kept pushing and you got a reaction. It wasnt what you expected but in hindsight what were the alternatives, right?
Im sure seravy will calm himself down eventually as well, specially if he reads this thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Daniel9999999 on August 17, 2013, 06:59:50 am
I'll take the chance to apologize to him as well, specially since I also bugged him out here and there. Specially since this stuff in the end of the day is just MUGEN and shouldn't be taken so much, that and I don't hate the guy either. So I wouldn't be able to have anything against him anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Seravy on August 17, 2013, 12:01:24 pm
All right, I'm going to accept both your apologies and we can move on. Not sure if I want to keep posting at Guild, somehow things always end up in drama. It's starting to feel like taking a bath in a lake full of piranhas willingly... I have to think more about that. Lots of thanks to the admins for this discussion, it seems to have helped. Authors come here because they want to talk about their work. Not their personality. People giving feedback need to understand that. However, as I haven't talked about my viewpoint in here yet, the majority of the stuff happened on my site and Youtube, a quick summary of what I feel has happened in the correct order. The two things that made me the most angry are in bold.
-RicePigeon was posting feedback about characters as usual. Nothing wrong there. He posted like 30 or more issues total in the 4 characters he tested. I fixed about 90% of those and explained why I want to keep the rest unchanged. I think I haven't left any single thing unadressed. I was looking forward to what he was going to find in the remaining 18 characters. -There were three discussions where RicePigeon and/or Darkflare was really persistent. For one of those, I eventually went with Darkflare's suggestion. It was something I considered of minor importance, but reducing the block damage of Royal Flush was probably the right choice. The other thing was about a projectile but that already had an open poll about one property of the move so I didn't want to change others. RicePigeon was quite persistent in trying to explain why he thinks the normal and the fast version needs to be doing the same amount of damage, despite the priority of the projectile being up in the poll, which, if changed, could have affected everything else about the move, opening up the way to make it the way he wanted. This already made me feel that he is overly persistent but it hasn't turned into a problem. -The last matter was the blockstun amount of a level 2 fullscreen, invincible super. My version had it at +17 frame advantage (his original version was +30). I agreed that +17 is too much and reduced it to +5. I also mentioned that I consider this somewhat unimportant, as the move doesn't do much block damage making it bad for you if it's blocked even with advantage, as it costs a lot of power to use. -Darkflare started to push the concept "every super move needs to always be punishable" on me. I resisted. -I'm not sure how this went on, but eventually RicePigeon tried to convince me that the move should be punishable on block along with Darkflare. I explained that the idea behind the move is that it does very low damage but it's safe to use. They kept pushing for it and eventually posted the first video. -At this point I got angry. Since the feedback was already given, and I already explained why I intend to not change things (more than once, I believe), I assumed there are certain negative intentions behind the video, because it should have been already obvious that pressing the matter further wouldn't result in a change. I expected the video to escalate the problem and instigate actual harassment, or even more mockery. While I had no way of knowing whether causing drama was his intention or not, I assumed he knows he can expect that. By the way, I'm not sure if "harassment" was the correct word to us there, mockery does seem to fit better. Mockery is a form of harassment, I guess. -I posted a similar video in return (wasn't linked in the thread, only in videos because it was offtopic, as it wasn't showing my character), showing RicePigeon's original of the same move (which was +30 on block), and warned him that I find his behavior offensive. -RicePigeon didn't post much from this point onward, but the other people, especially Sanae started to derail the topic into a discussion about my personality as far as I remember (which people should have already known isn't perfect, I'm not exactly new here.) -Instead, RicePigeon made a post on my site. The contents were pretty much identical to that what his followers said, that I have talent and he thinks he needs to steer me into the right direction. Well, that is very rude. No one ever has the right to force their own decisions and way of thinking on another person. It feels even more wrong when it is said about a trait on a character he himself released with the same trait on steroids (Original was +30 on block). -Then I made a blog post explaining the above. -Sanae posted some sort of a mocking video about my personality and blog post. I didn't want to get even more angry so I only watched the first minute. -I made another blog post, pointing out this has happened already. I tried to make it clear that I'm still unsure of RicePigeon's intentions, while I'm already sure that his followers are bad. I was giving him a chance to redeem himself after reading my posts, because, truth to be told, the majority of insults were coming from the followers. I decided to judge him based on his next action. -At this point, he posted the Harassment.avi. Worst timing ever. I guess everyone knows the rest.
In short, the greatest problem (other than the mockery) was that Team RicePigeon seemed to think they have the right to tell me what to do. I hope that will also change now. Giving advice and steering/forcing people are different things. I have no problem with the first, but I consider the second unacceptable.
I'm going to forgive everyone involved, let's forget about the whole thing. I do expect you to change your ways and keep things to actual feedback and advice, however.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on August 17, 2013, 02:39:46 pm
When you give feedback, be tactful or expect backlash. You don't get to be mean and claim that someone has to take it because they need to be tough. Actually, they can be tough and then just blow your tactlessness out of the water because you should be a decent tactful human being in the first place.
This hobby consists of many children (literally), so don't expect mature responses and reactions; avoid that by being mature and tactful in the first place.
Nobody needs to be bashed in any way.
This is a hobby, not a boot camp.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos on August 17, 2013, 05:05:35 pm
Wait Darkflare seriously said that every super is unsafe on block?
LOL.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Seravy on August 17, 2013, 07:51:48 pm
Wait Darkflare seriously said that every super is unsafe on block?
LOL.
I think he only meant it for fullscreen moves, but yes he did say something like that. Let me find it...oh yes, here :
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Having a fullscreen super be SAFE ON BLOCK or have any super deal RIDICULOUS chip damage does NOT punish you for your careless meter management.
I think he might have realized spending the power and getting no damage is enough punishment regardless of frames later, as his next post was
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Even your precious Touhou fighter that you love so much got that right. Missed that 5 card spellcard attack? Well, you just wasted 5 cards for nothing, good job.
After that, he didn't post anything more about it. At that time I facepalmed because the move we were talking about didn't do noticeable block damage (11 to be specific), so what he posted was what the move actually did.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on August 17, 2013, 11:47:16 pm
Wait Darkflare seriously said that every super is unsafe on block?
LOL.
IIRC it was only a complaint on ONE super that was a fullscreen attack that did massive chip damage. But I wasn't paying too much attention so ignore me maybe?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Darkflare on August 18, 2013, 12:04:23 am
IIRC it was only a complaint on ONE super that was a fullscreen attack that did massive chip damage. But I wasn't paying too much attention so ignore me maybe?
One was a full screen and the other was a level 3 that did the crazy chip damage.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on August 18, 2013, 09:34:22 am
Yeah let's not have Seravy's release thread v2 here. This is for feedback to staff stuff, not frame advantage stuff.
In fact, there's actually something to talk about:
What I'm saying is that even with reports, a lot of things were moving slowly.
Hmm... yes. I have noticed this too; sometimes it feels like I'm the only one solving reports anymore. We have a fair number of mods, so I'm not sure what's going on.
The PM would be to warn RP to cut things like this out in the future. You've done things like this before, yes? I don't see why such a course of action would be out of place in this situation.
We don't typically PM people for these kinds of things. We make it public, so that (hopefully) other people will not repeat the same thing.
...But seriously no. What a person feels is irrelevant, whether it's justified is what you should concern yourself with, otherwise you cater to everyone's psychoses.
We feel like Seravy's complaint was justified, is what I was getting at.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on August 18, 2013, 09:48:44 am
Hmm... yes. I have noticed this too; sometimes it feels like I'm the only one solving reports anymore. We have a fair number of mods, so I'm not sure what's going on.
It seems like a lot of the mods just aren't active in their modding aside from you as of late. I still remember that one time you went responding to all of the reports that had accumulated from the last few days a while back. That's kind of ridiculous to only have one mod out of many do that. I'd have been happy to solve reports from the request section, but I'm limited in my powers even there. :-\
We don't typically PM people for these kinds of things. We make it public, so that (hopefully) other people will not repeat the same thing.
A public warning within the thread, then? I feel like if it had escalated after said warning, going to the Warnings topic would make more sense.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on August 18, 2013, 09:53:23 am
That's basically what happened here. Since it was undecided whether to just go with a ban or a warning at the time, we never got around to posting in Seravy's thread. And then 6 pages of this happened, which made posting in Seravy's thread moot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on August 18, 2013, 09:56:29 am
It's a shame that had to happen, but I feel posting in Seravy's thread and being ignored would be better than not posting in it at all had it been caught sooner. I feel like something needs to change, but I'm not sure what. Getting more than one or two active mods, I guess?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on August 18, 2013, 10:03:56 am
Too many gmods, not enough local mods.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DMK on August 18, 2013, 11:17:25 am
local mods can't solve things, er make them say solved so some stuff like that maybe part of the trouble of some unsolved stuff. Reports don't show up in our updated topics like I think it does/did for Gmods. So if something comes up and its reported I have to check the reports, PM the person or move the topic. Whatever the situation calls for if somebody else of course didn't solve it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 18, 2013, 11:47:24 am
Ya'll are gonna ban someone over a video? For fuck's sake seriously?
I got banned for this (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2SDsbRyvWDA) with no warning beforehand.
What? I'm not bitter or anything!
also you would get banned again without any warning, that is the perfect example of the pig headed idiotic manner in which to approach newcomers and bash them until they leave. How anyone could justify that this is the right way to approach a newcomer in any way is behind me, and to think its okay you must have been dropped in the head one too many times.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on August 18, 2013, 09:19:39 pm
I was just showing the precedent for the banning over a video (and without warning). Looks you're still upset that you can't count; 3 isn't 2, ya silly~
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Djoulz on August 18, 2013, 09:52:22 pm
local mods can't solve things, er make them say solved so some stuff like that maybe part of the trouble of some unsolved stuff. Reports don't show up in our updated topics like I think it does/did for Gmods. So if something comes up and its reported I have to check the reports, PM the person or move the topic. Whatever the situation calls for if somebody else of course didn't solve it.
how about having a local mod whose one of main purpose would be taking care of the reports then? (amongst other common tasks)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 18, 2013, 11:26:44 pm
that sounds way too convoluted + doesn't solve the lack of options local mods have
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on August 21, 2013, 08:17:47 am
I guess it's better than nothing? I dunno.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on August 21, 2013, 08:18:15 am
It might be worth a test run.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 22, 2013, 03:50:52 pm
local mods can't solve things, er make them say solved so some stuff like that maybe part of the trouble of some unsolved stuff. Reports don't show up in our updated topics like I think it does/did for Gmods. So if something comes up and its reported I have to check the reports, PM the person or move the topic. Whatever the situation calls for if somebody else of course didn't solve it.
Local mods are pretty much security guards. They pretty much have to rely on gmods to get anything done.
Probably because their status is ONLY counted in the board they mod, so anywhere else the board treats them as a regular user.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on August 22, 2013, 10:45:54 pm
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on August 23, 2013, 11:27:25 am
Like DMK suggested, it'd be nice if local mods could solve reports (it doesn't even have to be restricted to reports made in their section, we can trust them), and see reports show up in unread replies, like gmods.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on August 23, 2013, 11:37:40 am
That'd solve most of the complaints I have about being a local mod.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on September 06, 2013, 07:28:09 am
A bit of a stretch, but I'd assume giving local mods better access to staff discussions would be a help too. I'm not saying give them access to the private staff forums (those are, well, meant for global staff), but maybe access to the warnings thread you guys have would help; they could more easily give information on someone who would need to be dealt with, or something like that.
Why do I suggest this? Around the parts of Doom where I'm a forum global mod/master server admin, the local mods have access to the global mod/admin areas, and it's worked great there. However, this is a different community, and what you guys think is best may be better than what I think is best.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on September 06, 2013, 02:27:45 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1829256
As long as he doesn't start anything, like the other time, I think he's fine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on September 06, 2013, 03:02:37 pm
A bit of a stretch, but I'd assume giving local mods better access to staff discussions would be a help too. I'm not saying give them access to the private staff forums (those are, well, meant for global staff), but maybe access to the warnings thread you guys have would help; they could more easily give information on someone who would need to be dealt with, or something like that.
Why do I suggest this? Around the parts of Doom where I'm a forum global mod/master server admin, the local mods have access to the global mod/admin areas, and it's worked great there. However, this is a different community, and what you guys think is best may be better than what I think is best.
I actually don't think local mod permissions can be changed for that. I think we would have to have a new membergroup made for them. Which has been discussed a little bit but not to a large enough extend to simply make said group. For the most part local mods are for members that wish to help out more on the board. And probably a good way to see who might become global mods later if they wished to do so and when more are needed.
Access to that board isn't really important. But it might make them feel a bit more special too since they don't really get any thing special aside from the abilities they gain in their boards. I might hound Iced and Caddie about it and see what they think.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Djoulz on September 07, 2013, 01:08:32 am
i don't think it's necessary: it's not like being local mod makes your voice more important compared to "regular users" anyway (they are basically maintenance people), so why would that "position" grant them access to the Warnings thread?
in the end, they can always reach the rest of the staff via PMs if they need the input about a particular matter.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on September 07, 2013, 03:46:27 am
Fair enough. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 07, 2013, 05:13:51 am
i don't think it's necessary: it's not like being local mod makes your voice more important compared to "regular users" anyway (they are basically maintenance people), so why would that "position" grant them access to the Warnings thread?
in the end, they can always reach the rest of the staff via PMs if they need the input about a particular matter.
ther is a reason if you know how guild forums work, but that same reason aso means it is also unnecesary.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on September 23, 2013, 04:34:26 pm
I don't think banning Mechy is necessary. Even though the pics are close to breaking the rules, there's no visible genitalia or really explicit stuff. Banning him would be a bit too much imo specially considering the thread is marked as NSFW.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on September 23, 2013, 04:38:21 pm
As the guy who reported him and these photos, i did not want him to be banned to make that clear, just thought that, even if GoH disagrees, such photos should not be a part of the Cosplay thread.
Maybe a clear mention about what images are okay in the first post of the cosplay thread could be useful.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on September 23, 2013, 04:57:01 pm
I don't see the problem, especially this kind of images were already posted a lot of times in Cosplay thread and all of them in spoilers and marked as NSFW. If the images were posted without these things, yeah, it's for be worried, but Lolmechy always makes the spoilers and advices when he posts those girls cosplays. So yeah, you're exagerating, people (unless you want me to post REAL H-Cosplay in that thread)
Also GBK, you better not see E-Hentai, you can find A LOT of cosplay there you can't see :eaugh:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on September 23, 2013, 05:03:16 pm
Welp. I forgot one of the pics was showing the chick fingering herself (or atleast it looks like it).
Everything else didn't seem that bad really. :/
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on September 23, 2013, 05:19:10 pm
I don't see the problem, especially this kind of images were already posted a lot of times in Cosplay thread and all of them in spoilers and marked as NSFW.
What other images in that thread had a lady straight up fingering herself? (Or more likely pretend-fingering herself but that doesn't actually change anything)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on September 23, 2013, 05:28:19 pm
I think is most the second... hmmmm, I'm not sure if I saw something like that before in that thread... but if maybe just get off that kind of images only and not the whole gallery??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on September 23, 2013, 05:30:10 pm
That's what happened, they only removed that one image (and the almost full nude one), not the tamer ones. And the ones with the girl pointing her ass straight at the camera.
Caddie said:
You couldn't see anything, and it her hand was over her crotch.
I know you removed it, but just to insist a little bit more : if she's explicitly fingering herself, even if it's half covered and you can't actually see the penetration, it's soft-core porn. The nude one is the more borderline one, you could label it art and call it a day as long as you don't see anything. But the context of the one you removed makes it more dubious. Others in the same vein without the fingering may be fine with a NSFW tag (that's for all the other similar ones you're worried about removing through the whole topic). I want to say that defining porn isn't reinventing the wheel but I'm worried it'll be mistaken as aggressive
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on September 23, 2013, 09:00:11 pm
@Caddie: you forgot to edit this post: http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1837578
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on September 24, 2013, 03:48:04 am
Hey JM, about the Decisions thread, what about asking Rajaa for the templates he uses for COTM prizes before he vanishes forever and ever of the forums as POTS?? I saw him posting in some parts these days, you can PM him about the templates and then give them to some admin/mod who can use them for making prizes
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on September 24, 2013, 08:07:07 am
Yeah, those don't seem difficult at all to make.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on September 24, 2013, 11:13:35 pm
Hey JM, about the Decisions thread, what about asking Rajaa for the templates he uses for COTM prizes before he vanishes forever and ever of the forums as POTS??
I'm not putting the cart ahead of the horse; first thing's first is to get someone to make the trophies. And hey, why limit it to mods, cause they sure don't care? Who wants to be in charge of the awards? You can even help me out in CotM probably! Get a fancy star and stuff!
I'm sure they're not. But, I'm not doing it. I do too much shit here. Someone else can do it. We have so many mods, right? I'm sure one of them can do it, and, if not, we'll have to find a normal user who actually gives a shit about the forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on September 25, 2013, 01:07:03 am
Perhaps we could try a different template?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on September 25, 2013, 07:04:43 am
Guys. The template is not the problem. Finding someone to use the template is the problem.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on September 25, 2013, 07:28:05 am
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ArmorGon on September 25, 2013, 07:34:34 am
That is simply amazing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on September 25, 2013, 07:36:29 am
I'm going to take that as an offer to be the new award guy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on September 25, 2013, 07:52:20 am
(http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u432/SomeLanceGuy/Private/Test2.gif) Testing around different fire and stuff.
Are there any size limits I should consider?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on September 25, 2013, 10:29:46 am
Replace Jmorphman with Oxe.
#CHANGE #MUGEN #2013
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on September 25, 2013, 02:18:04 pm
I like the second one, it's perfect :D
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on September 25, 2013, 11:18:42 pm
I've been following the RMH situation in the Shit Thread and in the Warnings section, and I worry that this is exactly the type of thing that leads to a good, active Mod like JMorphman quitting. RMH's crap is ridiculous and impossible to defend, but the ban protocol that you guys set and insist on so slavishly following is what JMM was enforcing. JMM's been posting quite a bit recently about how he is a lot more active than most mods and the Admins, as evidenced in this thread and the CotM threads, and when he steps in and tells someone they've got one chance to not get permabanned and to stop responding, an Admin comes in and just says "No, you're banned forever," it really undermines what JMM was trying to do. That's the kind of thing that leads people to feel unappreciated.
This is all my opinion, but I wanted to throw this out there because I'm getting that kind of vibe from the whole thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on September 25, 2013, 11:25:15 pm
I totally agree with you Sean
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on September 25, 2013, 11:27:05 pm
I'm fine, I just think the gun was jumped. We should stick to the guidelines we have laid out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on September 25, 2013, 11:29:10 pm
But I see the arguement it's still going on, what are you guys gonna do with this guy?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on September 25, 2013, 11:32:05 pm
But I see the arguement it's still going on, what are you guys gonna do with this guy?
They're not gonna do anything, he's already banned. Unless JMM wants to unban him now, but I'm not reading that intention from his posts so far (and by the time I completed this post JMM answered to that himself but I'm leaving this anyway). I don't think guidelines should be strictly applied all the time like a presidential protocol, they're guidelines. We all know what was going to happen, even if it hadn't completely happened yet. The ban was his final warning, he ignored it right when he came back. It was just a shortcut - and I don't think that "letting him get the rope to hang himself" would have been any productive, it would only have pissed off a bunch of people, and degraded the atmosphere with more arguing and insulting. (just look at how many people jumped at him in the shit topic) The only matter right now is toes stepped on, and if feelings were hurt. Hang the code and hang the rules, they're more like guidelines anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on September 25, 2013, 11:36:53 pm
Jmorph I'm sorry that I wronged you on this one, and I do understand what you were trying to do. RMH was warned enough though and does not belong on this forum. I disagree with you on the "gun being jumped" on someone who immediately after a ban expires goes back to what caused the ban in the first place. Especially with someone who has done that specifically multiple times. But I do thank you for doing what you believe was right on this.
And I do appreciate what you've been doing Jmorph. You're a great mod, and have really picked up some of the slack around here. I mean REALLY picked it up. More than your share, easily. And I hope you don't feel under-appreciated because of this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on September 25, 2013, 11:40:58 pm
Dude hung himself on his own rope the moment he demonstrated he didn't (or chose not to) understand why he was banned. He didn't listen to anyone and just seemed to want to incite arguments. Not debate, just pointless ugly arguments.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on September 26, 2013, 12:35:25 am
I would say that someone who was banned 6 months ago, then coming back and inmediately do the same thing is a clear sign that he has no intention to change. I think Caddie's decision to just ban him directly was good, warning would have just amounted to waiting until he shitposted again, which would have probably happened in one more day. As Byakko said, the "Warning, then Ban if it doesn't work" is a guideline to follow, in case it's a new user or just someone who suddenly had an outburst of emotions and posted without thinking. Someone who comes back after that long of a time and inmediately do the same stupid thing again clearly doesn't deserve a chance at all. More time you give him is more time he can just use to disturb the entire forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on September 26, 2013, 12:49:36 am
Yeah, uh, the thing is about one mod doing one thing and another doing something in opposition to the first. That's the only real issue here. Not RMH. He's dumb and would've been banned by the end of the night either way.
I disagree with you on the "gun being jumped" on someone who immediately after a ban expires goes back to what caused the ban in the first place. Especially with someone who has done that specifically multiple times. But I do thank you for doing what you believe was right on this.
Just want us all to work as a well-oiled machine, because this is really non-controversial (seriously is there anyone in this forum who wants RMH unbanned?), and I'd rather this kind of thing not happen when there's a lot of disagreement about whatever. This RMH thing is so trivial so it's a good opportunity to talk about this kind of thing.
And I do appreciate what you've been doing Jmorph. You're a great mod, and have really picked up some of the slack around here. I mean REALLY picked it up. More than your share, easily. And I hope you don't feel under-appreciated because of this.
Oh who cares about that, we're glorified janitors. The only time people should notice us is if something goes wrong. That said, I sure wouldn't mind more help with reports and stuff!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on September 26, 2013, 01:14:49 am
Just want us all to work as a well-oiled machine, because this is really non-controversial (seriously is there anyone in this forum who wants RMH unbanned?), and I'd rather this kind of thing not happen when there's a lot of disagreement about whatever. This RMH thing is so trivial so it's a good opportunity to talk about this kind of thing.
Oh who cares about that, we're glorified janitors. The only time people should notice us is if something goes wrong. That said, I sure wouldn't mind more help with reports and stuff!
I'm personally gonna help you out with that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on September 26, 2013, 05:19:17 am
RMH alt account. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/robotmoneyhead-82793)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on September 26, 2013, 05:29:07 am
Well that didn't take long at all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on September 26, 2013, 05:35:06 am
His sig: "Future alt accounts won't be as obvious, but none the less happy fun will be following for anyone who tried to abuse the monkey, mod or otherwise, for as long as it is entertaining.
The fun will begin when and only when they initiate bullshit with any other member of this forum. Be good, the monkey steps lightly. Just kidding."
And the same name, bold Posted: September 26, 2013, 05:38:59 am JNP just banned him, effective eh?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on September 26, 2013, 05:48:08 am
He can keep trying all he wants..
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on September 26, 2013, 05:58:34 am
YOU SHALL NOT PASS RMH!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on September 26, 2013, 06:17:05 am
RELEASE THE KRAKEN IP BAN!!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on September 26, 2013, 06:20:54 am
IP BAN?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on September 26, 2013, 06:37:05 am
Yep, admins and global mods not just can ban an user, if the guy is problematic and creates alt accounts, they can ban the IP so he can't be in the forum forever and ever after (at least in his PC)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on September 26, 2013, 07:55:21 am
you're assuming he has one ip ever. one account can have hundreds of ips associated to it. it doesn't quite work like you think
he could also create an alt account and: 1: not post ever in which case who cares 2: post normally in which case who cares 3: post like a fucking idiot in which case he'd just get banned again
it's a really shitty threat
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on September 26, 2013, 08:19:44 am
I want him banned for good. No matter how long of a ban he has, he's going to come back, he's going to make the same posts, he's going to try the same things. He's probably gonna ban evade to complain about the ban and the staff, either through posts on the site or through pms. The only reason he seems to post on the site is to do stuff like this. I don't see any reason to not ban him permanently.
Caddie was right. :smug:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on September 26, 2013, 08:49:58 am
His sig: "Future alt accounts won't be as obvious, but none the less happy fun will be following for anyone who tried to abuse the monkey, mod or otherwise, for as long as it is entertaining.
The fun will begin when and only when they initiate bullshit with any other member of this forum. Be good, the monkey steps lightly. Just kidding."
And the same name, bold Posted: September 26, 2013, 05:38:59 am JNP just banned him, effective eh?
thats one huge inferiority complex. "imma gonna personally stalk a whole board and act as a philosophical vigilante of sorts who posts bullshit when I think others are wronged like i think i was" What kind of mind needs that much validation from strangers? Oh right, the kind that gets banned for six months and returns trying to act as if no time has passed.
the ammount of weird mental health cases ive dealth with in the duration of the time I joined here is staggering.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on September 26, 2013, 09:04:21 am
That's why my secret VN project, Love with No Limits, is going to be what critics will call "The Spiritual Sequel to Missing Stars (http://somnovastudios.org/)"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on September 26, 2013, 05:35:59 pm
MissB the 3 day procedure was for when someone DOESN'T KNOW what to do with the offender. There's zero reason to do it when the entire forum already agrees on it, it wasn't supposed to be something that's always put in place systematically (although a bunch of mods did that anyway, but that procedure wasn't suggested this way). It's useful for cases like, when something's going wrong but you're not sure who deserves something or for how long, or when there's a disagreement over it. In every other case it's a hindrance to the forum functioning properly, it's bureaucracy. It's also one reason why some people think the staff is always indecisive.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on September 26, 2013, 05:58:17 pm
I suggested the procedure for 2 reasons: first so that there was consistency and second to prevent someone on staff from banning someone he/she doesn't like just because he/she can.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on September 26, 2013, 06:00:04 pm
Its a good suggestion.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on September 26, 2013, 06:03:15 pm
It would have prevented Caddie from overruling JMM's decision, but ultimately it was already decided, and everyone knew it. The three days would only have been a slow-down. You call it consistency, I say bureaucracy. There's no justification for a delay when the result will be the same. Fail-safes like that are only needed when there's a conflict, not when the entire forum agrees.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on September 26, 2013, 06:21:08 pm
Can't you go terrorize another forum? RMH's Message was removed, thus was aimed at him for being a general douche again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 【RTC】MelvanaInChains on September 26, 2013, 06:22:07 pm
isn't 'terrorize' kind of a strong word for that because it's just somebody ineffectively wasting his time
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on September 26, 2013, 06:23:26 pm
isn't 'terrorize' kind of a strong word for that because it's just somebody ineffectively wasting his time
Well, There's other forums that's more welcome to his behavior, Maybe I was a little too harsh with the wording, But he's generally annoying in such a way that just makes me want to hate him even though I've never had any BS from him.
GameFAQ's would gladly welcome him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on September 26, 2013, 06:26:10 pm
Its really a strong word lol
Terrrorizing a forum means to attack it with hundreds of automated messages, to intrude the backend, hack accounts, posts as different people including mods and cause chaos until the admin(s) find solutions.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on September 26, 2013, 06:27:54 pm
Understood, I was typing without thinking for a minute there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on September 26, 2013, 06:32:11 pm
Except it doesnt mean an automatic 3 day discussion. More than likely in this case everyone would agree in the first 24 hours.
Last couple of times we've done that the 3 days have expired with nothing happened because we were still discussing it. This particular case, this dude didn't deserve it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on September 26, 2013, 06:32:40 pm
More than likely in this case everyone would agree in the first 24 hours.
You mean everyone already agreed (well, JMM was giving him one more free post but it would have been the same) so if you say it would only have taken 24 hours, I say it would only have taken 3 seconds - enough time to set the ban to 3 days, and then immediately set it to permanent.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on September 26, 2013, 09:52:49 pm
The 3-day ban discussion period was absolutely worthless whenever it was put into effect. Almost everytime a 3-day ban was made to discuss the length of the ban, the warning/decision thread would go silent and then the 3-day ban would expire and the banned user would begin shitting up the forums again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on September 26, 2013, 10:11:14 pm
Silence doesn't necessarily mean lack of action, though. For example, if you check the warnings thread it looks like kaominerva wasn't punished, but I actually permabanned him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on September 27, 2013, 03:02:17 am
I don't think he should get the 3 day ban period. I think it should have been the year ban. The forever bans are a bit much. Surely we could handle him doing the same thing in 1 year. Then he'd get banned for 2 years. So it's like perma bans but sometimes users actually outgrow these antics over the years. That's why I'm against perma bans.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on September 27, 2013, 04:08:06 am
3 day bans should not apply for repeat offenders especially after they're getting banned fresh off their previous ban expiring. in rmh's case it's a fucking stupid idea.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on September 28, 2013, 01:50:40 am
Whether RMH deserved a permaban or not, overruling mods who were already dealing with the situation is in really poor taste, Caddie.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on September 28, 2013, 01:51:32 am
That's his discretion as an admin. It's not "poor taste." It could be a "poor decision," though.
Who knows. I know I don't know because I don't even know what's going on here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on September 28, 2013, 01:52:30 am
Then he's doing a poor job of being an admin.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on September 28, 2013, 01:55:47 am
I wouldn't go that far. At worst you could say he made a mistake. As beautiful as Caddie is, he's still human.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on October 04, 2013, 08:51:31 am
Oh just go away. No one cares.
EDIT: This was in response to a post made by a ban-evading RobotMonkeyHead that has now been removed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on October 04, 2013, 08:57:49 am
Wow. I almost forgot people could get this pathetic over petty shit on the internet.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Erroratu on October 04, 2013, 09:15:20 am
This is what's going to happen. I'm going to make an account whenever the hell I feel like it, check in on the 'monkey abusers', including you, and see if they're (you're) starting shit with any other members of the forum, in which case the puppet show will go on, most likely unbeknownst to you.
Monkey Abusers?pfft Yeaaaa i dont think so. Also the fact that you think you are right even thought everyone else says you arent is pretty fuckin dumb What happened to you RMH,you used to be cool :/
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on October 04, 2013, 09:41:12 am
I would suggest you ignore him, and wait for staff to ban him. Don't give him attention, he seeks it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on October 04, 2013, 10:06:53 am
I'm sorry you feel that way. :( I'm sorry that anyone feels that way but I'm not gonna pretend I don't know why.
I don't disagree with banning RMH at all, and I only said the second thing because of the way Rajaa responded; I haven't been paying nearly enough attention to whatever decisions you've made to have an opinion outside of this one event.
What was I trying to say is that overruling another staff member is something that should be done sparingly if at all, and waiting another post to let the hammer fall would have accomplished the same result without completely invalidating how JMM chose to deal with the situation. If you had gotten there before JMM did, banning him right away would have been just fine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on October 08, 2013, 03:53:51 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1845095
It's all a part of his plan, he wants to involve the community in his contest; I don't think it's a bad thing, and besides, after the contest he can delete his posts and topics or something...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on October 08, 2013, 08:52:22 pm
I don't know, didn't they just ban Dan_Hibiki/Custom Soul for similar behavior? Shamelessly promoting his own threads in other people's totally unrelated threads? It's deceptive and I don't see how anyone could click the links and be anything but mad. I think it will actually lead to less people participating in his contest.
EDIT: By the way, I'm not saying a ban is order, just using it for comparison. A warning should be fine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on October 08, 2013, 09:21:08 pm
It's all a part of his plan, he wants to involve the community in his contest; I don't think it's a bad thing[b/]
I agree with this.
Slap on the wrist and derail posts get canned. The contest should stay.
Chamat isn't usually disruptive, and he's very enthusiastic about this. He's a great spriter and he's giving away sprites. The public shouldn't be deprived of free stuff just for a couple of witty effort derail posts.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on October 08, 2013, 10:18:25 pm
yeah i dont think its a big deal either, posts with derails got separated and stuff. if it kept happening everywhere after being cut out then it would be an issue, but till that happens it isnt.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on October 08, 2013, 10:59:52 pm
It's all a part of his plan, he wants to involve the community in his contest; I don't think it's a bad thing, and besides, after the contest he can delete his posts and topics or something...
It's misleading and pretty shameless self-promoting. It shouldn't have been done.
But it's been split off into it's own thread and a warning is all that's needed. It's not that big of a deal, in the long run.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: NotToBeAnnoyed on October 09, 2013, 10:03:18 pm
Hmmm... is it just me, or is MC2 just being sarcastic? I don't think he's trying to flamebait at all more than express his own (annoying) sense of humour without expecting a reply.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on October 09, 2013, 11:20:11 pm
If he truly is being sarcastic, that's where he falls flat. One can't expect no replies to posts like his.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos on October 19, 2013, 10:14:28 am
Can someone please do something about Doraemirby bumping and quote pyramiding himself multiple times in the does this thing exist topic? He doesn't even try to use Google or actually look, he just keeps spamming the same posts until someone spoon feeds him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on October 20, 2013, 03:43:09 am
I'm pretty sure Basara's warned him in the thread at least once. Maybe something more harsh if a second warning doesn't suffice? :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on October 22, 2013, 07:16:38 pm
Please please please, permaban WildTengu. Dude doesn't give a shit about the community and will only shitpost in fighting game threads and release threads.
The only acceptable alternative is his account is restricted to posting only in a Karnov's Revenge thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on October 22, 2013, 07:27:40 pm
Just wanted to applaude your reactivity with the WildTengu thing in the Batsu topic, and discussion in the Mod section. Now ban him already.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on October 24, 2013, 11:28:33 am
I don't know if I'm allowed to post this here but: http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1852039
I think he is offending me. Long story short: - he necrobumped a topic; - the original poster replied to him (and they both were speaking Spanish); - I asked them if the project was resumed or not and told them to speak English; - they deleted their posts and reported me that I necrobumped (when I wasn't necrobumping); - I asked them why did they do that (in PMs); - first Extasis pretended to know nothing, then they started insulting me (in Spanish) in the PMs. And he still continues (in fact he posted again, necrobumping, "El allan es puto" and I think it's an offence) and deleted it.
I have proofs of all that (if one or both of them deny what happened).
Why did I nominate him contributor? I have to be more careful next time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 24, 2013, 04:18:33 pm
nah, it does not that they are talking about you. oen guy asked if the project is dead then they talk about bringing it back and give up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on October 24, 2013, 04:21:56 pm
They did report him for necrobumping after deleting their own post though. http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/projects-re-all-pocket-star-team-random-project-154523.0.html
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 24, 2013, 04:24:34 pm
yeah they bumped the thread and deleted the replies and tried to make it like alex sinigaglia was the one that bumped the thread. that's fucking pathetic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on October 24, 2013, 04:54:11 pm
I'm pretty sure Basara's warned him in the thread at least once. Maybe something more harsh if a second warning doesn't suffice? :-\
That's true, I warned him about that and even edited his posts, MC2. As a new mod on Request I do that and he stopped to do it by now (or at least he doesn't do it as before). About the other subforums apart of request where he does that, I can't tell you, you've to report his post to some global mod or admin can do something about it
Also, I agree with most people about WildTengu, I liked the guy and his posts/videos, but since a time until now wasn't bearable at all, so the ban is fine, IMO
I don't know if I'm allowed to post this here but: http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1852039
I read the posts deleted as well the original thread (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/all-pocket-star-team-random-project-114438.msg1093131.html#msg1093131), and it was a discussion between the members of this game (one of them Meta Gouki, one of Mugen Hispania admins and retired creator), nothing about you or someone else being offended, so don't worry. It was just one of the members wanted to restart the project and jokes between them. The "el allan es puto" ("allan is a bitch") was an inside joke between the members, being allan one of them. Resuming, nothing to be worried about, but necrobump
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 24, 2013, 04:57:40 pm
the part that offended him was when they set him up so he looked like a necrobumper. they also sent offensive private messages. read.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on October 24, 2013, 05:02:14 pm
Oh, I see... I didn't read Byakko's post about reports. What a jerks :-\ Posted: October 24, 2013, 05:06:52 pm
Iced said:
some dudes deleted their necro posts and reported Alex as necroing to try to get him in trouble,i suggest banning both for the minimum time of three days.
I can suggest to permaban both, IMO
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on October 24, 2013, 05:17:49 pm
Uh... that's a bit drastic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on October 24, 2013, 05:34:02 pm
No, don't ban them, but just look at them carefully if they do it again.
Maybe I'm making this worse than it is (and my Spanish understanding (that is not great) could have made me confused). If only I knew Spanish better... Am I allowed to post here the PMs (instead to bother the admins; I don't know how to report the PMs to mods)?
There's the case he was using Spanish dialect and I misunderstood.
"el allan es puto" ("allan is a bitch") was an inside joke between the members, being allan one of them. Resuming, nothing to be worried about, but necrobump
There's no Allan, I checked Mugen Generations. Actually there's one Allan14 but he never posted and was never active so no, I think that was directed at me.
It was more like "The one above me is a bitch" (if my rough translation is correct).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mgbenz on October 24, 2013, 05:43:07 pm
While a permaban is way too much they should really not get away with what they did.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on October 24, 2013, 05:43:30 pm
They got a warning. That's all that's needed right now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on October 24, 2013, 05:46:58 pm
There's no Allan, I checked Mugen Generations. Actually there's one Allan14 but he never posted and was never active so no, I think that was directed at me.
Nope. Allan (or better Alan) is mgmnzx, the creator of the fullgame and companion/friend of -Extasis-, the latter was joking with him in spanish
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 24, 2013, 05:50:12 pm
i'd like to see the private messages, if they're just insulting then there's no real harm in sharing them
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on October 24, 2013, 06:01:25 pm
As I said I could have made a fuss over nothing...
Spoiler: PM to Extasis(click to see content)
me: Why did you report me if you revived the topic and then deleted the posts?
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1851499 http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/projects-re-all-pocket-star-team-random-project-154523.msg1851513.html#new me again (he didn't want to reply to me so I sent him another) I'm waiting for an answer. Extasis: I have not the slightest idea what he's talking, I'm in my room and I have not done anything me: Excuse me?
Are you joking? You necrobumped a topic, he replied to you, I said to both of you to speak English and asked if the project was resumed or not but then I found out that it wasn't, and after that you and the other guy reported me after deleting your posts. Like I necrobumped his topic, when you did.
Is it fair? No, it isn't. him: q wea tai disiendo sapo for me it looked like: "What are you saying toad?"
me: I give up talking to you, I have to rip something.
sapo = toad
Wow, you sure are well-mannered. (this is sarcasm)
Spoiler: PM to mgmnzx(click to see content)
same two initial PMs to him from me since I thought they were acting together to do that mgmnzx: q wea paza perkin qlo marako ^^ note= he PMed me after Extasis
since I was a little bothered I went a bit harsh to him (and because of what I said before):
What do you want?
I don't want to talk with you or Extasis. I have the answer. So I didn't PM them after that. The "I have the answer" part was to close the discussion.
then I saw Extasis deleted post and thought it was against me.
Hmmm... maybe I did a bad thing bringing this up? :thinking:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 24, 2013, 06:08:08 pm
i'm not going to translate what they said but it's just poorly written insults in spanish. they're garbage and should be banned for a period longer than 3 days.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on October 24, 2013, 06:09:31 pm
Wish I could help, but I can't understand their "slang"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 24, 2013, 06:12:24 pm
extasis basically said "what the fuck are you talking about shithead" and mgmnzmxnzmxn basically said "whats wrong you fucking faggot"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on October 24, 2013, 06:14:19 pm
I think they did it on purpose. "I can't understand anything and they are free to do what they want" is what they were thinking (in my opinion). Luckily I can understand some Spanish.
Thanks Titiln for confirming that they indeed throwed insults at me.
I really didn't expect that from them. :( Especially from Extasis, which I never met in the past (in other forums), and I have thanked him for one of his codes. And more importantly I nominated him for contributor status. (That maybe doesn't count, but...) Well, better save that zoom code page before he deletes it in anger (who knows...).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on October 24, 2013, 06:23:14 pm
Also, my apologies for those 2, Alex. Reading their PMs, looks like they're chileans instead mexicans as says their flags on profiles (those slangs are clearly chilean insults, more proper of flaites (chilean thugs)). That kind of people makes look bad to spanish speakers, and as I read, to chilean ones, too
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on October 24, 2013, 06:27:31 pm
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 24, 2013, 08:43:16 pm
I did not know about he pm insults, so yeah go ahead with the short bans.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 24, 2013, 11:11:27 pm
mbh said:
It seems to me if someone is going to be banned for a pm, the pm should be unsolicited and reported to an admin not paraphrased and posted in the forum.
as far as i can tell, the private message conversation was pasted verbatim. it's also unlikely alex sinigaglia paraphrased a language he's not familiar with. and the pm alone is not the reason they're getting banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on October 24, 2013, 11:19:12 pm
I know it isnt, but it's being used to extend a ban. It seems like better procedure to report the PM to an admin. I'm not saying it's wrong to ban them or wrong to extend it. I'm questioning the procedure and that it may be used for a guide in subsequent similar circumstances.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on October 24, 2013, 11:33:54 pm
Yeah, let's not give a shit about the whole part where Alex himself said he was reluctant to post it or even report it because he wasn't actually sure of what it was saying, and we here asked him to post it, specifically to figure out what they actually said. Let's make very generic statements that fit nothing in the current situation. Just for the sake of disagreeing questioning stuff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on October 24, 2013, 11:34:36 pm
This is why you never show your face. You don't have one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on October 24, 2013, 11:48:27 pm
This explain many things... [E], we miss you as global mod!! :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 24, 2013, 11:51:25 pm
what happened here doesn't mean that the same procedure will be used for future decisions involving private messages. if tomorrow i said byakko needs to be permabanned because he sent me some offensive private messages, and then someone asked me to post them, and i did, and
Byakko: You should die you piece of shit. Me: hey man please calm down Byakko: Your mother should calm down for spawning something as pathetic as you
and then byakko was permabanned with no questioning of the legitimacy of the private messages. no, that's not going to happen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on October 24, 2013, 11:55:57 pm
Its kinda easy to look up personal messages in a SMF Forum for admins if they got the options though.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on October 25, 2013, 12:06:01 am
If you want I can report the PMs to the admin/s now. I have no problem with that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on October 25, 2013, 01:00:19 am
i don't think it's needed
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 25, 2013, 01:17:58 am
ugh, this is what happens when we let mexicans into the forum
amirite [E]?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 25, 2013, 02:08:46 am
chileans.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on October 25, 2013, 02:15:40 am
That's right ;) hey wait...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Djoulz on October 25, 2013, 02:36:26 am
That kind of people makes look bad to spanish speakers, and as I read, to chilean ones, too
well let's not get too extreme & quick with the generalization, there: they are not representing Chile worldwide...they just happen to speak spanish, to be Chileans & just no-manners shitheads.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on October 25, 2013, 02:40:14 am
Excuse Djoulz, he's french.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Djoulz on October 25, 2013, 02:46:35 am
there is no excuses for that :wiseguy:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on October 25, 2013, 02:58:14 am
Man those guys are fucktards
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on October 25, 2013, 11:31:13 am
Venga tio venga
burritos speedy gonzalez
arriba arriba
jajajajaja
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos on November 06, 2013, 12:08:21 am
So how long am I going to be stuck with this ugly YOUR SIG IS TOO BIG!!!!! warning in my signature.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 06, 2013, 12:13:22 am
can't you change it yourself
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on November 06, 2013, 12:14:46 am
He's cursed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos on November 06, 2013, 12:49:07 am
No I cannot. Also my display name has been reverted to my account name. Because I guess hiding the truth somehow makes it not evident.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on November 06, 2013, 12:55:44 am
Well, It's gone now
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos on November 06, 2013, 12:58:25 am
It's gone, but my question is not answered. Given I was only told that I would be banned I think I have a right to know the circumstances that were hidden from me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Djoulz on November 06, 2013, 01:35:39 am
that's a nice moving cock in your sig, MC
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on November 06, 2013, 01:54:19 am
[offtopic] Seriously, local mods should be able to respond to/solve reports at least in their own section. [/offtopic] :ninja:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on November 06, 2013, 01:55:45 am
I dunno why you weren't uncursed when whoever removed the SIG IS TOO BIG thing but now you are. And I also gave you an actual, cool-looking sig to boot. ;)
[offtopic] Seriously, local mods should be able to respond to/solve reports at least in their own section. [/offtopic] :ninja:
Put that in Valodim's thread and make sure to sacrifice a few goats and hope he implements it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on November 06, 2013, 02:02:21 am
Done. Now to hope those goats didn't go to waste. I could have bought four chickens with that kind of cash.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on November 06, 2013, 02:23:56 am
I put the warning there because your sig was too big. I removed the warning because you saw the warning but I didn't remove the cursed status because I figured it was there for a reason.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on November 06, 2013, 02:32:00 am
Wait, there's actually a cursed status?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on November 06, 2013, 02:33:54 am
Yep. It locks profile edits.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on November 06, 2013, 02:41:01 am
Iced put it there because he had a name that was too long and didn't change it after a day or so warning to do so.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on November 06, 2013, 02:56:49 am
Given I was only told that I would be banned I think I have a right to know the circumstances that were hidden from me.
You should read the Warning thread to know why, you smart guy... (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1851653)
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
...or at least know why you made your own ban and account lock, Em-zee-two (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/ultra-street-fighter-4-152164.msg1851298.html#msg1851298)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on November 06, 2013, 03:03:45 am
He's asking why he was cursed, not why he was banned. It's already been cleared up by JNP, btw.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 06, 2013, 03:22:31 am
basara's attempt at owning mc2 falls flat once more
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on November 06, 2013, 04:51:17 am
Is the signature a metaphor for the time it takes for you to update your characters?
It's a metaphor for how the staff are like the Greek gods, because I was reading Cryptonomicon yesterday and came across this:
"Now keep in mind that the typical Greek myth goes something like this: innocent shepherd boy is minding his own business, an overflying god spies him and gets a hard-on, swoops down and rapes him silly; while the victim is still staggering around in a daze, that god's wife or lover, in a jealous rage, turns him - the helpless, innocent victim, that is - into let's say an immortal turtle and e.g. power-staples him to a sheet of plywood with a dish of turtle food just out of his reach and leaves him out in the sun forever to be repeatedly disemboweled by army ants and stung by hornets or something."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 07, 2013, 04:17:30 pm
dont really feel like making a thread for this but all reports since monday are marked as unsolved
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on November 07, 2013, 05:00:55 pm
Got 'em.
Boy it sure is fun being the only mod for the forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 07, 2013, 05:03:44 pm
at least you get free chicken.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on November 07, 2013, 08:12:20 pm
Don't know if it matters at all, but I agree that Fire Spectre or whatever his name his should be banned, and the thread locked.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Flamme on November 07, 2013, 09:11:51 pm
[avatar]http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q483/ItsMeDonte758/9c760191-d8b9-47bc-9c83-682d2ba5d164_zpsafbe556b.jpg?t=1383854343[/avatar]Seeing as to how he pretty much ignored JMorphman's warning, I figure he might be on his way to being banned. Also judging by his behavior, the topic should be locked.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on November 07, 2013, 09:16:37 pm
Alrighty so can you guys figure out if his game contains a virus or not, and post about it here (cause he deleted and locked his topic)?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on November 07, 2013, 09:27:47 pm
He made a duplicate topic it seems.
If noone else is able to, I'll probably run the file through virustotal or something when I get the chance later, though I'm not expecting any false positives to show up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on November 07, 2013, 09:29:00 pm
If it does end up being a virus I'll remove the links from the deleted threads. If not, I guess I'll just leave the topics there, cause Fire Spectre wanted it deleted.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on November 07, 2013, 09:29:46 pm
Taybear said it was a decompression bomb. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/locked-to-prevent-spammersy-fireboy-154828.40.html) (post 47)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on November 07, 2013, 09:34:40 pm
DLed it again. My antivirus says the same thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on November 07, 2013, 09:34:53 pm
Not really a virus per se, but definitely a malicious file.
I would recommend others not to check it anymore, two users is enough to trust that the file must not be downloaded.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on November 08, 2013, 01:27:21 am
Memory Processes Detected: 0 (No malicious items detected)
Memory Modules Detected: 0 (No malicious items detected)
Registry Keys Detected: 0 (No malicious items detected)
Registry Values Detected: 0 (No malicious items detected)
Registry Data Items Detected: 0 (No malicious items detected)
Folders Detected: 0 (No malicious items detected)
Files Detected: 0 (No malicious items detected)
(end)
Oddly enough, nothing detected. Same for Avast. Same for Superantispyware. Maybe it was just that one particular link I clicked was safe? For those that were getting antivirus warnings, which AV were you guys using?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Roman55 on November 08, 2013, 04:49:57 am
Norton here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 08, 2013, 04:53:49 am
fireboy is a stupid piece of shit who i remember banning years ago. fuck him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on November 08, 2013, 05:03:00 am
fireboy is a stupid piece of shit who i remember banning years ago. fuck him.
Is that so? And why was he banned previously?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on November 08, 2013, 05:31:32 am
I'm willing to guess it's for this exact same behavior, given I've heard he's like this at other forums.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 08, 2013, 05:39:43 am
i found a post on warnings/decisions by me 5 years ago mentioning that he was harassing users but i don't exactly remember what happened. it's clear he's a shithead currently
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on November 08, 2013, 09:05:58 am
Boy it sure is fun being the only mod for the forum.
Maybe if you didn't complain about the way I helped you when I tried to help you with that I'd still be helping you. 8)
bragging about doing no mod work is no way to go through anything. It might even offend those that are actually solving those.
And his complaint was legitimate you were just solving necros by clicking solve and not changing anything while saying "if anyone else wants to remove the post its ok" , that meant that now if he wanted to remove necros he would have to check both solved and unsolved reports to make sure he read all reports.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on November 08, 2013, 12:59:26 pm
Something I'd been doing for years and nobody complained about until I started helping him clear out reports. I decided that short term necro in a less common section of the forum didn't need to be removed and solved the topic, leaving a message for any mod who wanted to remove it anyway to just go ahead and do it without arguing with me about it.
Oh and right after I posted that post I went and started solving reports again. :P I have the worst sense of humor ever, my apologeez.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 08, 2013, 03:27:47 pm
solving reports is not helping jmorphman, it's helping the forum. replying to a legitimate forums issue with a terrible joke is all sorts of stupid
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on November 08, 2013, 03:38:50 pm
The forum issue is the report of necro, and in those cases, it was posts that Caddie didn't think necessary to remove. That's disputable since people will keep reporting it or think the staff doesn't care about their report, but in the end he's still treating them. The joke isn't about that bit. The thing here is that JMM takes the stance of deleting them, without wondering if they're "harmful" or not - even if they don't hurt anyone, if it's a necro (a real one, unwarranted and all), he deletes them. So it's only a matter of everyone in the staff to agree on deleting all necros no question asked, or leaving those that "don't harm anyone". Once they agree, JMM knows he won't have to go over the solved reports to delete necros that Caddie didn't consider to be harmful, or Caddie knows that he has to delete unwarranted necros, even if he thinks they're harmless.
FTR, Caddie, necros are bad in general even if they're harmless because it bumps an old topic with no news (like "nice car +1" or "this 5 year old link is dead ! Someone fix it now !"), and that pushes away other topics that deserve some attention because they're actually still going on. Of course this is only a real issue on sections like release and wip, but on discussion sections, it's more of an annoyance than a real problem... But it's still an annoyance. It's a bad habit that no one should get used to and take for granted.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 08, 2013, 03:40:49 pm
i mean the forums issue of reports going unsolved for 4 days
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on November 08, 2013, 04:53:48 pm
The necros in question were like 3 months old and that's just too much of a gap to leave up; stuff like 5 week or even 6 week necros are fine.
It's just the solving part; solving means "this issue is done and resolved, no need to check on it". If something is questionable it shouldn't be solved, to give the other mods an opportunity to voice their opinion/take action/whatever. Also it seems like FireBoy's game itself doesn't have any virus warnings, only his site, and that it might be a false positive or something. So... nothing else needs to be done, I guess.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on November 08, 2013, 09:28:50 pm
Also it seems like FireBoy's game itself doesn't have any virus warnings, only his site, and that it might be a false positive or something. So... nothing else needs to be done, I guess.
Thanks for the heads up Jmorph.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on November 08, 2013, 11:25:26 pm
Times change bro
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vgma2 on November 14, 2013, 09:01:32 pm
He's is indeed Ban evading. Combined with his behaviour, I would suggest to extend his ban for quite some time. I don't think I've seen anyone getting off with an easy 5 days for ban evading.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 14, 2013, 09:02:36 pm
He ban evaded like 4 times lol..
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on November 14, 2013, 09:05:43 pm
He's obviously evade the "normal conduit" about being a shitposter, so the ban shouldn't be this way. Permaban him and all his alt. accounts, or at least 1-year as minimum
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hephaistos31 on November 14, 2013, 09:06:17 pm
He's obviously evade the "normal conduit" about being a shitposter, so the ban shouldn't be this way. Permaban him and all his alt. accounts, or at least 1-year as minimum
+1
And we haven't even gotten to the whole "malware on file/website" issue that was never fixed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on November 14, 2013, 11:41:25 pm
Increasing ban time won't make him stop. He will eventually get tired of constantly creating accounts, so you should wait for that. Creating an account takes a lot more time than just deleting it, so the only one wasting his time is this idiot that claims Titiln is a tyrant.
I think it would be better if all staff members that ban him put as reason "I AM THE TYRANT". That way he will stop aiming at a normal user and will aim to the staff, which is the normal thing to do :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 15, 2013, 12:03:01 am
the accounts shoudl still be banned, and banning for 3 days means he can reuse them almost right away, constantly banning them for a few months/one year should do the trick.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on November 15, 2013, 05:09:47 am
All of his accounts are banned. The Firespectre one is banned for 2 months, and the alts are permabanned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on November 15, 2013, 04:54:35 pm
Agreed with Caddie, permaban
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on November 15, 2013, 05:08:54 pm
He wasn't even pleasant when he had no ban. Drop the guillotine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 15, 2013, 09:09:08 pm
if fireboy who registered 5+ alt accounts and was a total shithead in general (including about matters such as his website making antivirus software give alerts) doesn't get permabanned, then who gets permabanned
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on November 15, 2013, 09:11:16 pm
People who cause serious damage to the forum and have no chance of getting any better.
Which likely applies to Fireboy but I don't know if we're there quite yet.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on November 15, 2013, 09:13:20 pm
A permaban is needed, If not, It'll be the same when the ban expires, he'll come back with his crazy shit, and they'll have to ban him again. People like these will not learn, I honestly believe he's mentally unstable, judging by all that MKP wars and parrot crap he was talking about, and the stuff Wild West Shades quoted
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on November 15, 2013, 09:17:10 pm
I'm for a extended/permanent ban.
Besides, if he really does commit to getting better, he can come back as a new IP/user and stop being a dumbass.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 15, 2013, 09:25:19 pm
Dropping the hammer on these people is the only way to go. People like that will not learn. They will just let their anger stew and cause shit once their time is served. It is nice you give this guy the benefit of the doubt, but I don't see what's going to make him think differently of or treat the forum with respect. He does have a ten year old grudge against the forum iirc lol
I'm sure regardless of any amount of time he stays away from here, everytime he will come back he will start shit with people. He's very socially inept and percieves everything as a threat, lacks regard and respect for others' opinions, has a ton of delusions, and seems to revel in the attention.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on November 15, 2013, 09:28:02 pm
The guy is a bit strange.
Maybe give him one last chance and than..byebye forever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on November 16, 2013, 12:13:14 am
if some of those claims are to be believed he is a single person posting with several accounts praising himself , going as far as taking over actual users accounts to make them sock puppet him. He is also a bit... how can I put it.. touched in the head I guess. The whole repetition of words with the ammount of times he repeats things like parrot, is not something someone healthy does. Not wanting to be a psychiatrist on the internet but seriously, a normal person speech does not include thirty variations of parrot in it, some in adjective form and some in verb form.
Me, personally im not entirely sure its him in several accounts or him and his "buddies" in several accounts, but jmorphman is convinced that its the same guy and indeed every one of those makes the same mistakes over and over again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on November 19, 2013, 10:58:34 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1865884 (about Fireboy and his "supporters", more like ... no, I won't say that)
Ban them all, or counter with this: since they get so many downloads why is he complaining about one forum? Or do both. That guy is a waste of time, and reasoning with him is impossible. He believe he is superior. Then let him be in his forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on November 19, 2013, 11:01:40 pm
He's banned; they're banned. They'll keep coming until they get bored or tired. Just ignore them, report them if you see 'em, and don't give them attention.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 20, 2013, 01:57:16 am
He doesnt have a posse, his forum is just him and some guys who dled his game, nobody else there posts like that anyways lol
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on November 20, 2013, 06:30:02 am
From the looks like it the people who downloaded his game post exactly like he does. ::)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 20, 2013, 05:33:34 pm
Oh sure I dont dispute he alts like mad there as well. I meant the peple you could actually confirm as not him are easy to spot lmfao
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos on November 23, 2013, 02:11:14 am
I hope you all realize that by locking me out of changing my profile, you have also locked me out of accessing site settings like display other users' avatar/signature, changing time settings, buddy/ignore list, etc. Great show you guys are running here, keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on November 23, 2013, 02:13:43 am
maybe you should focus on being a better user and gaining those things back then did you even consider talking to who removed your avatar and sig? (or edited it, i dunno i have them disabled)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Luis Alejandro on November 23, 2013, 02:17:50 am
wow such admin
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on November 23, 2013, 02:22:02 am
Much social interaction.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on November 24, 2013, 02:11:58 am
maybe you should focus on being a better user and gaining those things back then did you even consider talking to who removed your avatar and sig? (or edited it, i dunno i have them disabled)
I guess this kind of thing isn't worthy of a response.
Funny how most replies to MC2 seem to be this way.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 27, 2013, 04:15:06 am
RE: CvSvC being a sticky in graphics
it should not be a sticky
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on November 27, 2013, 04:32:36 am
There is talk of stickying it in the thread. It's from Chamat though. The Edge stickied it. I'm not wanting to step on his toes by simply unstickying it In case I missed something. Don't tell me you caved to the Chamat peer pressure Edge!!! o_o
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on November 27, 2013, 05:01:17 am
there's no reason for it to be a sticky. a mention in the [Theme Thread] Master List + Graphic Arts Hall of Fame thread at most. not a sticky
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Thedge on November 27, 2013, 04:29:33 pm
He asked for it before, since it is indeed an encyclopedia of sorts I procede. I'll do what titlin said.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 02, 2013, 01:46:04 pm
EDIT: I posted in one of this "guy's" threads before (look at the account history). I believe this profile was hacked (I highly doubt the account owner just suddenly became a retard).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on December 02, 2013, 02:09:41 pm
No, no, trust me, he is a retard. Hahahah. I just reported Extasis and he comes here insulting me. Laughable. :)
Well, time for a permaban then. He just has dug his grave.
Do you want to know why he did this? Because of this: http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/projects-re-destroyed-namek-v2-1-1-155430.0.html I was just applying the rules.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 02, 2013, 02:15:03 pm
I'll assume your right. What he's doing is definitely worthy of a perma-ban.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on December 02, 2013, 02:20:18 pm
About the "suck my dick" guy, you might want to also clean up the porn images even in the recycle bin.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Extasis- on December 02, 2013, 02:20:21 pm
lol, we do not care in a permanent ban, there is a life outside, apart from the forum, does not affect us in the least
us laughing all the time :D
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on December 02, 2013, 02:22:10 pm
Yeah shit I'm sorry dude, I forgot that reporting makes a thread for everyone to see lol........
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on December 02, 2013, 02:24:19 pm
lol, we do not care in a permanent ban, there is a life outside, apart from the forum, does not affect us in the least
us laughing all the time :D
Dude c'mon, you're a contributor to the forum, the pocket Gouki project is cool and you are capable of so much more than being a petty asshole. The other guy who spammed porn everywhere had some decent spritework as well. Don't ruin it all so you can get your kicks off spamming hardcore porn and le memes like its 2004.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Extasis- on December 02, 2013, 02:27:04 pm
lol, we do not care in a permanent ban, there is a life outside, apart from the forum, does not affect us in the least
us laughing all the time :D
Dude c'mon, you're a contributor to the forum, the pocket Gouki project is cool and you are capable of so much more than being a petty asshole. The other guy who spammed porn everywhere had some decent spritework as well. Don't ruin it all so you can get your kicks off spamming hardcore porn and le memes like its 2004.
I did nothing just mention it, I thank you, what they think of me and my work I'm a friend who did, either I'll give back That is not in my honor
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on December 02, 2013, 02:28:32 pm
Hey dumbass, "buh my friend did it not me lolololel" makes you sound like a goddamn retard. Get a life with the ban im giving you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on December 02, 2013, 02:30:53 pm
So is the justification for that ban that he brought his friend here to do it
Actually nvm that would be obvious
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on December 02, 2013, 02:31:52 pm
I dont need no justification! >:C
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on December 02, 2013, 02:33:16 pm
id daresay you are the justification
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: chanchan on December 02, 2013, 02:48:17 pm
Hey dumbass, "buh my friend did it not me lolololel" makes you sound like a goddamn retard. Get a life with the ban im giving you.
hey xD, You can ban the time you want but I can also go back whenever I want
besides that I must finish the gouki , I will continue posting there asshole xD
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on December 02, 2013, 02:51:43 pm
Then you should tell you bot-friend that finish their incomplete pocket stuff instead of spread love to Alex in the whole forum (his Kratos is very unfinished, for example)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on December 02, 2013, 02:53:02 pm
This whole banning thing never works out
We need to install a rehab facility for shitposting and stop it at the source
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Thedge on December 02, 2013, 02:54:00 pm
I can ban that idiot all day long.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 02, 2013, 02:55:43 pm
Then you should tell you bot-friend that finish their incomplete pocket stuff instead of spread love to Alex in the whole forum (his Kratos is very unfinished, for example)
Could you tell me exactly who are you?, I do not remember seeing before and to me you have to say, what I have and do not have to do with my projects, that is something that does not concern you at all. Also, as I said the kratos from the beginning was an old sheet I made when I was just a beginner, never said I would end because I have no time to mugen and would be a waste not to share, if I was not going to end.
The posting pornography did nothing but to laugh you can see it as an act of immaturity or a moment of mindless fuck, I leave to your judgment. At the end of the day is the internet, nothing happens here affects me in real life, to me is nothing more than a time to fuck senseless to laugh a while.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on December 02, 2013, 03:19:40 pm
Oh, so you're not a bot as I thought, good to know :P Do you see the world globe below the avatar?? That's your website if you post some in your profile. In your first massive forum trolling, I wanted to know who was the guy who did that, then I went to your website and I saw your (very incomplete) stuff for MUGEN. In a beginning I liked your projects, but then after see none of them are advanced nor finished + your behavior here, dissapointed me a lot and I stopped to care about you. At least your friend is making something concrete with his Gouki
At the end of the day is the internet, nothing happens here affects me in real life
ORLY?? Then why do you answer me about your abandoned stuff if this is internet, huh?? I thought you've no interest in this forum more than "a good laugh"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 02, 2013, 03:21:10 pm
Could you tell me exactly who are you?, I do not remember seeing before and to me you have to say, what I have and do not have to do with my projects, that is something that does not concern you at all. Also, as I said the kratos from the beginning was an old sheet I made when I was just a beginner, never said I would end because I have no time to mugen and would be a waste not to share, if I was not going to end.
The posting pornography did nothing but to laugh you can see it as an act of immaturity or a moment of mindless fuck, I leave to your judgment. At the end of the day is the internet, nothing happens here affects me in real life, to me is nothing more than a time to fuck senseless to laugh a while.
You're sure making a big deal about the internet. ::)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on December 02, 2013, 03:26:55 pm
Good that i had some popcorn still
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hephaistos31 on December 02, 2013, 03:39:30 pm
Those kids are awesome. :D People are so stupid, I can't understand what they got in head. Wind, maybe?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on December 02, 2013, 04:26:53 pm
:)
There are better ways to use time. All of this pointless arguing over, what, a report? Come on.
Was there a reason to spam things (a meme and a porn pic) in topics where I never posted? Is that how you cry for attention? I should do the same for my wips then, but you know what? I won't do that because I respect the others and this forum as a whole. And I respect you too. You can change.
If you want to act like that, I think you can do it elsewhere.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on December 02, 2013, 04:47:07 pm
Just ignore him, seriously. GMods and Admins can easily ban his new accounts, and since banning one takes less time than creating it, it's a matter of time of not giving him any attention until he gets bored.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on December 02, 2013, 07:32:04 pm
Agreed with PermaBan
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DAN_HIBIKI on December 02, 2013, 08:09:14 pm
Yeah, checked up Report section. There was a threads called... You seen it, you know it, i don't have to tell it. And a similar post in thread "Ash Crimson released".
It was very, VERY unexpected for me that someone will hating Alex. Because he's AWESOME, and his released are like a born of the star!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 02, 2013, 08:11:00 pm
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Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alpaca-San on December 02, 2013, 08:15:30 pm
Let us all have a moment of silence for the end of Alex's days of being uninsulted.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on December 02, 2013, 08:20:52 pm
Agreed with permaban and plus one to Caddie for having a good head on his shoulders.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on December 02, 2013, 08:24:42 pm
People really should be more tactful while trying to insult someone. *sigh*
The original action deserved a long ban but not permanent, but if he keeps creating accounts mindlessly then permaban. lol, just read the "spamming the whole board with porn" part. Yeah, he is done :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on December 02, 2013, 09:01:41 pm
Why hasen't the "Alex Suck My Dick" Posts been deleted yet?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on December 02, 2013, 09:05:23 pm
... Which one ? If you think the staff missed one, you should post the link. Or report it. Unless you like to say "hey, you missed a spot" and laugh while watching them search the entire board upside-down frantically until they find the one post :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on December 02, 2013, 09:10:10 pm
Man, I missed all the porn!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on December 02, 2013, 09:10:40 pm
cleaned the three you pointed out quickfist
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on December 02, 2013, 09:12:59 pm
I was just about to post the links, good that you Ninja'd it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on December 02, 2013, 09:30:06 pm
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 02, 2013, 10:47:52 pm
how did posts go undeleted, isn't there a "delete all posts" option. isn't it there if you delete the account. what the fuck
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on December 02, 2013, 10:51:51 pm
his account wasnt deleted, it wasnt an alternate account.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 02, 2013, 11:33:07 pm
One of you want to clean the reports out? There's still a lot of links to porn and porn loading as images in there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on December 02, 2013, 11:40:36 pm
i will hit it up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on December 03, 2013, 12:05:55 am
should be fine now. http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/butthurt-r-us-v2-154672.0.html
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Erroratu on December 03, 2013, 12:28:10 am
-ALex suck my dick -No DL link? -Its a project
K (Yes,i know.Still funny to me)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 06:43:55 am
You don't need to go after EVERY POST a spammer makes guys, holy shit.
and to think I liked mgm's stuff in 2010.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 03, 2013, 06:47:39 am
His stuff is/was interesting... that doesn't mean he's immune from being a deranged idiot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 06:48:41 am
By reporting his spam en masse, you are reposting his spam.
This is why you don't report bots too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on December 03, 2013, 06:52:56 am
Not reporting them kinda defeats the purpose and only delays the cleanup process, unless you strictly mean like 200+ posts from the same guy, which hes doing regardless (on multiple accounts within a 10 minute window as well). Not so sure if the hostility from you and Jmorph was warranted but I can understand your positions.
I'm assuming we'll have a separate thread for these kinds of reports like the bot thread? Makes sense imo. Or do we just use this one?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on December 03, 2013, 06:53:25 am
And now another alt account and with more porn
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 06:54:08 am
Just PM the account to jmorph/whoever's there and tell them about it.
You're basically reposting the spam/porn in the reports forum by mass reporting it, which THAT has to be cleaned up on top of the existing mess.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on December 03, 2013, 06:55:36 am
I can see all their posts. I don't need you to report them, or tell me about the accounts. All reporting does is make more work for me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on December 03, 2013, 06:56:58 am
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 03, 2013, 07:02:02 am
He got IP banned already.
This isn't a big deal... just bad timing (more like he chose this time). As soon as Jmorphman has help, this will get cleaned quickly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 07:02:39 am
Probably. Either he's hacked (doubt it) or he's just flipped his mind for some reason. He was an ok stagemaker in 2010 (he was actually one of my preferred ones) but after this? Yeah, fuck no.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on December 03, 2013, 07:06:49 am
Well there was RobotMonkeyHead. It happened once before, whats to stop it from happening again (like right now)?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Luis Alejandro on December 03, 2013, 07:08:34 am
lets not forget glb when he threw that tantrum over motvn
and its funny because his avatar was changed to that crying baby picture hmmm
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 07:09:46 am
RMH and by extension Maverik didn't do their methods in this sort of way. They did them in the more "I'm going to argue with you forever!" way.
Short story, - Alex S. reported -Exasis- - 'Exasis' IQ dropped 1000% - Promises to destroy the Guild.
That's pretty much it, don't forget his buddy Mgmnx
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 07:16:24 am
I think the baby picture is actually a wordfilter taking out most of the porn. It's not a very good filter though since it takes up just as much space.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vgma2 on December 03, 2013, 07:16:29 am
They're throwing a tantrum over what again? Having been caught red-handed for being an attention whore?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on December 03, 2013, 07:16:36 am
It was a 2 idiot combo (-Extasis- and mgnmzz). I don´t know what happened. What triggered this reaction, it´s so stupid.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vgma2 on December 03, 2013, 07:17:28 am
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on December 03, 2013, 07:17:44 am
Jesus christ... well at least its happening late at night in most parts, sorry for reporting the porno...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vgma2 on December 03, 2013, 07:18:29 am
After that, they turned into worthless pieces of shit. This isn't the first time either.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 07:24:17 am
You can't even get his stuff anymore. Oh well, not much of a loss now. Not worth downloading from an idiot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on December 03, 2013, 07:40:24 am
:brood:
fuck these dummies
if somehow we have missed a post please report it here (don't use the report button, just link it here, or PM someone IDK), but I dunno how that could happen. Nevertheless, better safe than sorry.
As soon as we IP ban him? (if thats even possible)
He/they are using proxies.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 03, 2013, 07:40:59 am
Still a post in the EF-12 thread. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/project-ef12-a-free-customizable-3d-fighting-game-engine-153936.msg1872424.html#msg1872424)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vgma2 on December 03, 2013, 07:42:30 am
Dang, you guys are quick.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on December 03, 2013, 11:15:00 am
By the way, for anyone curious, it was his Destroyed Namek v2 revamp of his stage. I was hoping for an update and I see Extasis always said the same thing. So I reported him (also because he did a necro, I didn't report him the other times he did bump the topic for nothing, notice that). ngmngmsx (I don't even care about his name) thought I was against him, so he defended him in a very "clever" way, and the rest is history.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Websta on December 03, 2013, 11:28:09 am
In short. It's all your fault :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Dj Soniic on December 03, 2013, 12:04:30 pm
who are you?, do not know who are trying, DJ SONIC THE FORUM ADMINISTRATOR LARGEST MUGEN with my power, I say retired that ban, or if not die
NOPE
you know what you are facing I will continue uploading videos if they want to watch them on my channel
NOPE
yes movies for all,
NOPE
bye niggas I will return for we confirm that everything has been settled we are in contact
dj sonic retires argentina live
banned to kusanagi
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Watta on December 03, 2013, 12:37:46 pm
Wut.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on December 03, 2013, 12:45:21 pm
What the hell? No, Dj Sonic, you don't know anything of what happpened. They started being against me.
I'll check if it is really you. I'm waiting your PM in Mugen Generations. It will be all clear once I get it.
--- Dj Soniic, you post in the same style as Extasis, how strange. ::) Try to hide better next time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shaquto on December 03, 2013, 12:51:58 pm
:koolyeam:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on December 03, 2013, 12:58:13 pm
Try to make sense.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on December 03, 2013, 12:59:56 pm
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on December 03, 2013, 01:03:24 pm
Dj Sonic, no sorry, Dj Soniic is Argentinian (he says so), like the original Dj Sonic I know from Mugen Generations. I don't think he is waly066 (the one you quoted).
I think he is one of those two guys. I think Dj Sonic would never post like that. --- By the way, it's Extasis. I don't need the PM. Hahah, he made his videos private. :XD:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on December 03, 2013, 01:07:05 pm
Judging by post history, yeah nah I don't think this DJ Sonic is the same as that guy up there ^
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on December 03, 2013, 01:07:49 pm
It's like LordSinistro of here that has nothing to do with the brazilian creator :llama:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 04:41:55 pm
That was 100% not DJ Sonic. That was the same posting style these two Chileans have been using.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on December 03, 2013, 04:49:53 pm
Yep, OG is right (http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/area.showposts;u=32536)
It's another clone of mgnxmxnxmgxxxnmgxhmmm and Crack Extasis. Ban him now
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on December 03, 2013, 04:53:39 pm
he was banned already
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 04:56:04 pm
Yeah, I 'spose I'm just beating a dead horse at this point. Kinda saw the posts not the times. <_<
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on December 03, 2013, 04:58:43 pm
Its okay, vigilance is key
You never know where Chile will strike next
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on December 03, 2013, 05:10:14 pm
:doom:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on December 03, 2013, 05:29:02 pm
I edited my other posts. Extasis did it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Watta on December 03, 2013, 06:02:09 pm
Damn, that guy actually has the time to make multiple accounts and post all this shit ._.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 03, 2013, 06:03:14 pm
That's what we call tryhards.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vgma2 on December 03, 2013, 07:12:32 pm
The guy's falling further down to the level of impersonation now? I'm not sure how to feel anymore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 03, 2013, 07:26:10 pm
Don't... he's only as important as you feel about it.
Which for me, is not at all (I got shit in real life to worry about).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on December 04, 2013, 06:17:59 am
damn it!
i missed all the fun (again)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 04, 2013, 06:28:35 am
It was just pointless spam. Of porn. And quite frankly if you wanted porn there are far better places for it than guild.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on December 05, 2013, 05:18:36 am
yeah now that i had a time to check what happened i realized i didn't missed much
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on December 11, 2013, 08:00:33 pm
Ban the mothafocka!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on December 13, 2013, 06:16:30 pm
Vitor/mugenwip and Hephaistos had a row in Squallsoft's Custom Portrait thread (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/squallsofts-custom-portrait-thread-mugen-1-0-1-1-155797.0.html) he made just for his topics.
After that Vitor changed/added to his signature a flamebait image and offended the french guy with a PM. You can see it in the second page.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hephaistos31 on December 13, 2013, 06:31:16 pm
Thanks, Alex! Just PM'ed Jmorphman for it with details. God.. The thing is that I'm REALLY sorry for squallsoft which is making his best to release portraits. -__-'
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on December 13, 2013, 07:38:04 pm
Just wanted to say I have no idea what happened with that report. Every time I tried sending it through, my page would get hung up and it wouldn't load the confirmation page. I worried that might happen, but I checked the report section each time to make sure it didn't post before trying to resubmit it. After the fifth or so time of trying to submit the report and getting nothing, I just gave up and went to bed. Just wanted to make it clear I didn't mean to report the same thing 5 times.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on December 13, 2013, 07:55:53 pm
There was this weird spike in the forum last night around that time and a bunch of people's posts got posted several times. And it doesn't show up in their post history like that. It was very strange.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on December 13, 2013, 07:57:12 pm
It seems there's a change in the Matrix
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hephaistos31 on December 14, 2013, 10:47:08 am
As I didn't received any answers from Jmorphman, someone can do something? This man continues his stupid game?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on December 14, 2013, 11:01:42 am
There was this weird spike in the forum last night around that time and a bunch of people's posts got posted several times. And it doesn't show up in their post history like that. It was very strange.
I mentioned that problem 8 weeks ago already..happend multiple times. But nobody cares in the valodim thread it seems.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: VHR on December 14, 2013, 11:52:11 am
So ... someone call me a thief, a stupid kid, a worthless trash cuz i dont have teh Big STAR,and i cant defend myself ? Anyway i PM Jmorphan and Person man trying to solve this, not like that user who seems is enjoying this and playing the victim!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hephaistos31 on December 14, 2013, 11:54:44 am
Man you don't understand. We all see here what you are trying to do. Just let them the time to act.
We had last months kids that was acting EXACTLY as you. So you fool nobody here. Be sure of that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on December 14, 2013, 11:54:45 am
i dont care anyway i make good ones for my personal use.
So go with your awesome portraits. :D And don't fucking ask those type of request if you don't care. This is with people like you my work is now private.
You took one line of that long post and made a big deal of it, took the suggestion he had and got the thread derailed, if you had left it alone Vitor would have had no reason to reply back as he knew his suggestion wasn't going to be acknowledged much and he would have stopped.
You two are arguing over the most basic and simple stuff possible in Mugen, don't act like you're superior over another just because one can index better than the other. Also stop trying to belittle others over a stupid star, it really has no real meaning to it.
Vitor, about "defending yourself", just don't, don't waste your time defending your image to a faceless nobody on the internet. You end up looking worse than you did before and you just create pointless "drama". A better man will acknowledge when its right to just stop and cease any further issues and conflicts.
Can someone clean up that thread by the way? It's completely derailed from what the OP wanted to have it for.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on December 14, 2013, 01:04:16 pm
Vitor, about "defending yourself", just don't, don't waste your time defending your image to a faceless nobody on the internet. You end up looking worse than you did before and you just create pointless "drama".
No, that's just wrong. Defending oneself isn't a bad thing. It's the way Vitor did it that was insane. Hephaistos has a responsibility in it, but Vitor did fly off the handle like a lunatic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hephaistos31 on December 14, 2013, 01:16:16 pm
Lithium Flower: So for you, the fact that this man ask for something that is USELESS, and nonsense like opening a new thread regrouping works of other guys which as me DON'T WANT (I don't know about the others but I take my case), and at the end says clearly fuck off my work is better (because he doesn't get whant he wants) but he never released something, you think this is a normal behaviour.
Awesome. Plus, did I insulted him by PM? no. Dis I told he is a thief? no. Did I made a retard sign to say that he his a pussy? no. Did I changed my avatar to put something that clearly demonstrate that he continue his asshole behaviour with his "big nose" stuff? no.
I edited my posts as much as I could to not make it continue. I hope you are not blind at this point.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on December 14, 2013, 01:21:14 pm
Don't put words he didn't say in his mouth. You both were (And are) acting really stupid. You both should just cut it out and move on. Damage is done already so the best thing to do is ignore each other and mind your own business.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hephaistos31 on December 14, 2013, 01:24:15 pm
this shit, acusing me of trying to steal his ports,
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 14, 2013, 01:26:20 pm
Honestly, it would have been better to just leave Vitor alone (after he said that he was leaving). Clearly he wasn't interested anymore, so he likely would've left the thread on his own.
I can understand wanting to speak your mind, but sometimes it's just not worth responding (especially for people who you feel aren't worth it).
And stars are a bunch of shit. I had a red star before. :coolface:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hephaistos31 on December 14, 2013, 01:27:46 pm
It's simple. I'll never come back in MFG anymore. I'm done with kids. If you all like them all, then stay with them. I wish you the best, guys.
Mugen forever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on December 14, 2013, 01:29:49 pm
What he requested isn't useless, he wanted to have the ports in one place so it's easier for less active users to find what they need faster and more efficiently. I never really saw him say "my work is better", he said the ones he does are already good enough for him, I don't know why this offended your macho portrait making skills but okay!
As for the rest of what you said, I mean that first page, those first few posts, not replying to "I make good ones for my own personal use" would have been the better thing to do as he really doesn't seem like he had any real means of continuing. Guy seemed to have just admitted the fact that it wasn't going to happen, I don't see how what he was doing was whining because he "didn't get what he wanted",
Also I'm not taking sides, I'm calling you out because you're the one whom I think can handle the situation better than Vitor can. But as Navi said, let it go, go back to your threads.
Ugh.
Ugghh.
UUGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on December 14, 2013, 01:30:27 pm
sacrebleu! :freak:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on December 14, 2013, 01:34:17 pm
Ragequits by the dozen as of late. Lovely.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on December 14, 2013, 01:36:45 pm
I need someone to hear me bitch.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on December 14, 2013, 01:37:02 pm
Get on Skype then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 14, 2013, 01:47:56 pm
It's simple. I'll never come back in MFG anymore. I'm done with kids...
Not that I'm trying to get you to stay or anything, but you're really letting this one guy get to your head. :P
Shit's over. Ignore him; if he wants to keep dragging it on the mods will get him or something.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DNZRX768 on December 14, 2013, 03:24:08 pm
Woah,
What happened here?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on December 14, 2013, 05:45:09 pm
The dude with the numbers in his name started some shit and the other guy overreacted in replying to him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on December 14, 2013, 06:09:58 pm
And Heph or w/e left because we didn't decide he's 100% right.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: VHR on December 14, 2013, 06:20:58 pm
Well, i'm sorry for this trivial dick mesure took place ...i truly am! I am an adult and i should know better! Thanks for some of you guys that posted here who understood my position, i exagerated a little bit either and i apologize for that!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on December 14, 2013, 06:34:40 pm
I don't know how admins would manage this, but I would make something salomonic with this: I would ban Hephaistos31 and Vitor both for a week and delete all their flamewar posts to clean that thread about portraits. Both are equally guilty for start and continue a flamebait in a post of someone else and derail the original purpose of the thread. And before you stated something about that, this was already did before with another similar case, so I don't think this should be different of the past one
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 14, 2013, 06:38:41 pm
I would ban neither one, they already learned their lesson (I think) and got a very nice full forum scolding.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 14, 2013, 06:47:36 pm
@Vitor No problem... we all lose our lid at times. At least you admitted your mistake (some people can be really stubborn and just can't accept being wrong).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on December 14, 2013, 07:55:27 pm
As I didn't received any answers from Jmorphman, someone can do something? This man continues his stupid game?
Sorry, was pretty busy. I posted in the Warnings thread so another mod could help out, but nothing happened. (Not that I should be surprised that nothing happened. >.>)
But it's a Friday night, people get busy. We all have got stuff to do, and so sometimes these things might take a while. It is now getting solved.
So that whole thead was a mess. You both behaved poorly, Vitor moreso. Vitor will be banned for three days. You won't, but you get an official warning not to do that kind of thing again. There. Problem solved.
It's simple. I'll never come back in MFG anymore. I'm done with kids. If you all like them all, then stay with them. I wish you the best, guys.
Mugen forever.
Why, exactly? Because Vitor wasn't immediately dealt with? See above, people have lives outside of the forums. Is it because people dared to suggest you had some role in the situation? Because that's true. You instigated the whole thing. Oxe and the rest are right. That doesn't mean we "like and want to stay with" kids, or whatever nonsense.
If you're seriously gonna leave simply because people don't agree with you 100%, then I don't think you're gonna find many places that won't invariably end with you leaving for similar reasons.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hephaistos31 on December 14, 2013, 08:26:39 pm
Let me explain my feelings, men. First, Jmorphman, Thanks for moderate this stuff. As I told, you need time to act. Plus I PMed and don't used the Report function. It was my bad, couldn't find this function.
Then about the fact I "instigated". You guys are releasing stuff. In a place you choose. Why someone that you never seen would change it? Because he is too lazy to click on pages? (please let me explain). I think this is not normal that someone ask something like this. Squallsoft reaction was awesome, as he asked for PERMISSION.
Vitor's reaction, that was I don't care, "I can make enough good stuff for my personal use". Coming from a man that released 3 portraits, wich was not fantastic, this is strong. Why he asked it, so?
The fact that someone that I don't know, that barely made portraits, or even participate for MFG will tell me where to put my work. Or even trying to do it without my permission. No. I'm sorry, NO. The "purple" star stuff was only a misunderstanding.
And after all, I admit that I pushed a little at the beginning. Well I'm like that.
But did I insulted him by PM, trolling him personnaly with pictures like that???? Or even my sign??NO. The only think I had in mind is that I was trying to edit my older posts to limit the proliferation in Squallsoft page.
For me, the real problem here is that everyone who posted here was ok with this Troll. In my opinion this is not acceptable.
Come on. How many people I helped with the portrait Making, as Saikoro and Da Hat Man helped me. Yes, this is not chars like Infinite or Ex Shadow stages. I, like some good friends now, have chosen this kind of stuff because WE LIKE IT. If we had spent 50% of the time we spent in portrait making, we could probably release some "better" content in your point of view. This is not what I want, that"s all. Yes, Lithium, "my portraits will never be regreted".
Again, Jmorphman Thank you for the moderation. and if those 3 days you was speaking are for the overhaul insults I took, well. The moderation is perfect for my eyes.
The fact that some people disagree with me is normal, as some of my words could be misunderstood. This is not why I'll leave this place.
The fact that some people here are ok with that troll atitude is just disgusting me to stay here more.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on December 14, 2013, 08:27:50 pm
I think my life exists both inside here (20% of the time) and the Gym (80% of the time).
Well, i'm sorry for this trivial dick mesure took place ...i truly am! I am an adult and i should know better! Thanks for some of you guys that posted here who understood my position, i exagerated a little bit either and i apologize for that!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on December 14, 2013, 08:29:31 pm
Again, Jmorphman Thank you for the moderation. and if those 3 days you was speaking are for the overhaul insults I took, well.
They were. That kind of thing is absolutely unacceptable and we won't tolerate that kind of behavior.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hephaistos31 on December 14, 2013, 08:31:09 pm
Thank you, Jmorphman. A lot. Have a nice day, guys!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on December 14, 2013, 08:37:46 pm
Honestly, Heph didn't do anything wrong in particular... he was just defending his work from someone who was minimizing his efforts (most people here I believe would do the same thing). His words were a bit harsh, but certainly not enough to provoke the reaction afterwards.
Hopefully we're all past this now.
I wish I had money to go to the gym. Ah well... nothing like good old pushups and bike riding.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on December 31, 2013, 10:54:25 am
hey gbk its maverik from ben187 to Reinhold-Hoffmann "for some reason my account was banned from mugenguild? could you inform the admins of this? I'm hoping it was some mistake? any way see whats up.
thanks"
Got that note 3 hours ago on deviantART from ben /maverik's account. Was he banned here again?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on December 31, 2013, 11:12:17 am
My guess is that his alt account was merged to the main one, and the ban on the latter took over. It's removed now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on January 05, 2014, 06:49:24 pm
Congrats JnP, for your promotion Also, what happened Caddie? Why are you leaving?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 05, 2014, 06:59:15 pm
It's been good having you, Caddie. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on January 05, 2014, 07:21:54 pm
He's always had issues whenever he's tried to make any decision, there mostly was a lot of disagreement with the way he went about things. That's my assumption, take care Cad.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on January 05, 2014, 07:33:56 pm
That's dissapointing... that said, does that mean Shamrock will really be back? He's still around afaik. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 05, 2014, 07:48:09 pm
Let's not bring Shamrock back. That guy was exactly what we don't want on staff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 05, 2014, 08:37:09 pm
That's dissapointing... that said, does that mean Shamrock will really be back? He's still around afaik. :P
But he hasn't been a mod for a long time though. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on January 06, 2014, 02:09:28 am
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1872602 this thread is utterly useless. it's a sticky in the reports board. like most users even check that shit. how about putting a "please dont report bots. post them in this thread (link to thread) instead" message on the page that shows up when you're reporting something
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on January 06, 2014, 02:28:49 am
That's a good idea but I looked all over and cannot find the field to edit the message for Reports. @iced: have you seen it?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on January 07, 2014, 04:56:59 am
Looks like that message is hard coded. We would need Val to make a mod so we can edit the message.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on January 08, 2014, 07:11:46 pm
this shouldnt need a warning, but im going to post it anyway. Any fake emails are going to be disabled. We have been doing that for a long while. ( im noticing people registering with fake emails to then finding out that they cant post )
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on January 29, 2014, 07:28:44 pm
Congratulations to Sai for becoming a new G-Mod!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on January 29, 2014, 08:05:58 pm
Saikoro's a good man. Hope he does well. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on January 29, 2014, 08:12:53 pm
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on January 29, 2014, 11:07:07 pm
Wow holy shit a Gmod I'm friends with. Congrats on the position, Sai, something tells me you'll do hella on the job. EDIT: ...And while I typed that up I got the position. Hella.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Daniel9999999 on January 29, 2014, 11:09:19 pm
Congratulations on your new position, Xan!! And hope everything goes well under it!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 29, 2014, 11:10:39 pm
the strongest user becoming a gmod. that would make him the strongest gmod!
congratulations saikoro. now next time we get another internet though guy (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1895756) messing around we'll just call you to deal with him
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nomechy on January 29, 2014, 11:17:11 pm
congratulations saikoro
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on January 29, 2014, 11:32:30 pm
Congrats to Saikoro and the one who name I never keep up with CAN... you guys deserve it. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on January 29, 2014, 11:41:34 pm
Grats C.A.N, Don't harm us too much.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on January 29, 2014, 11:47:10 pm
Congrats guys, you'll make the place more pleasant to be around for more newbies.
So like since we got new mods would we like.. do that deal I suggested with MC2??? I MEAN COME ON IT'S TIME FOR CHANGE GUYS
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: 100_Sad_Pandas on January 30, 2014, 12:09:55 am
Congrats Saikoro.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on January 30, 2014, 12:24:10 am
I know I've pretty much only been coming here to sometimes post my opinion on video games (and you guys are an excellent news aggregator, I don't even look anywhere else anymore) but Saikoro and CAN are two of the most visible and personable people around here and I really can't think of people better to represent the community here.
Great choices, and congratulations to you both.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on January 30, 2014, 12:27:55 am
Thanks for the encouragement. It really helps. :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on January 30, 2014, 12:44:54 am
Eeeeeehhhhhhh yeah, what the hell is going on?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on January 30, 2014, 12:48:52 am
Congrats Xan, and Sai!
Do a good job guys! ^^
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on January 30, 2014, 12:50:23 am
Um... I'm curious. Is there a thread that specifies requirements for becoming a staff member? I'd very much like to read up on that. Or do other staff members just pick who they want/think should be there?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on January 30, 2014, 12:54:04 am
There's no real criteria. It's all suggestion and discussion.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on January 30, 2014, 12:58:04 am
Be honest, you opened one of these and won the gmod position at the guild. It all makes sense now!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on January 30, 2014, 12:59:43 am
Oh shit, my secret's out. I must silence the nonbelievers and go mad with powah~!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on January 30, 2014, 01:01:55 am
Next time I would actually like to make a thread asking who would want to be a mod. I was going to do that this time but we had a certain trait we were looking for and that was very active and community oriented users. We had more names but decided to just add 2 at most. Saik and CAN seemed to be the most active and driven.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on January 30, 2014, 01:02:29 am
Where is it discussed/suggested then? Because I'd really like to read up on what's been going on in said thread recently.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on January 30, 2014, 01:03:38 am
The secret staff lounge with coffee and rocket lawnchairs.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Tyrant Belial on January 30, 2014, 01:05:10 am
Sounds quaint.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on January 30, 2014, 01:06:29 am
This one we kept in private. We can be a bit blunt on why we agree or disagree on users and we don't want to make high expectations for someone not to get it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on January 30, 2014, 01:14:23 am
Wow, awesome news!! Congrats Sai and CAN :D I feel very happy for you, I know you'll do a good job as Gmods ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 30, 2014, 04:08:33 am
sai has this atribute that I have seen mostly in Iced and it is encouraging users, not helping per se, which other staff members do better; but just encourage users to keep on doing mugen stuff. Posted: January 30, 2014, 04:15:36 am while we are still talking about staff. how many staff members from europe are left ? I think we don't have any east asia staff member but we don't have mny east asia users anyway so that's not a bother.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 30, 2014, 05:08:58 am
now, i know how this is going to sound but can anyone remind who the bloody hell can is? (i'm being serious here)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on January 30, 2014, 05:10:48 am
I find Sai as a gmod really appropiate, he is a great guy that encourages people to do stuff. CAN decision was severely circumstancial. But whatever, I don´t care. If they do a good job and don´t abuse their powers while doing bad decisions is alright in my book.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on January 30, 2014, 05:14:17 am
I find Sai as a gmod really appropiate, he is a great guy that encourages people to do stuff. CAN decision was severely circumstancial. But whatever, I don´t care. If they do a good job and don´t abuse their powers while doing bad decisions is alright in my book.
I found CAN a better choice because I know he'll do work and check up on things more...
And hopefully he won't mess up simple things like COTM star :^)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on January 30, 2014, 05:44:20 am
I will murder your entire family.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on January 30, 2014, 05:44:54 am
I´m talking more about attitude rather than activity really. If it was for activity I know many people that could be up to the task. Not saying that CAN lacks it but with Sai it is pretty notorious. I have faith in that guy.
And hopefully he won't mess up simple things like COTM star :^)
Impossible, everyone misses that at least twice :smug:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on January 30, 2014, 05:48:58 am
Both Sai and CAN are good choices and I support them 100%, as Maximillian said, Saikoro has this thing of always encouraging people, hell I get down often and his words has made my day before, and CAN's feedback is very, very valuable and has helped me a lot! And this has been the case for many other users as well, we need a "good cop" kind of mod, which would be Sai, and a smart and (in the good way) cold mod, CAN of course. I'm sure they'll do a good work.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 30, 2014, 07:50:15 am
congratulations saikoro. now next time we get another internet though guy (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1895756) messing around we'll just call you to deal with him
It's funny you mention that because I already *almost* said something but Jmorphman already chimed in a few posts before. I think the presence of one mod was enough.
And thanks for all of your support guys. I really can't put into words how honored I am to be given this responsibility. I'll surely strive to do my best at all times. These cyborg implants formerly known as eyes will keep on the lookout for stray pixels on top of any riffraff.
Both Sai and CAN are good choices and I support them 100%, as Maximillian said, Saikoro has this thing of always encouraging people, hell I get down often and his words has made my day before, and CAN's feedback is very, very valuable and has helped me a lot! And this has been the case for many other users as well, we need a "good cop" kind of mod, which would be Sai, and a smart and (in the good way) cold mod, CAN of course. I'm sure they'll do a good work.
Watching Lethal Weapon, I was always more of a Riggs fan. E.G. The crazy and stern cop. While I am always more of a good cop I do have my moments. ;D
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Watta on January 30, 2014, 11:54:54 am
I hope you get Gmod one day, I need someone to tell me all the MFG staff section secrets... :curtain:
Congrats to Sai and CAN. They should do a great job with Sai and his postiveness and CAN with his stern prowess :freak: Of course, none of your blue stars shall ever compare to my gay super member star :smug:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on January 30, 2014, 12:30:17 pm
now, i know how this is going to sound but can anyone remind who the bloody hell can is? (i'm being serious here)
I only remember him as the guy who used to pretend to be a girl who checked my entire post history when I came back and whose's mugen feedback was pretty... ehhhhh there's no nice way to put that here lol. I hope he's faaaaaar better at the latter nowadays. It's been a year or so since all of that happened.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on January 30, 2014, 08:18:58 pm
There seems to be a mob mentality that Jz is MFG's #1 Public Enemy. These posts reflect a negative pre-disposition by the Staff towards his actions. The original "fags" post comes from the fact that the conversation about Vans' "WLS Contest Winner Star" became a subject of discussion, being irrelevant and arbitraty. Vans is one of Jz's best friends, so in the attacking of his friend, he fired back.
Not cryptic like Saikoro suggested, nothing to do with moving on from the past like Person Man suggested.
He could definitely tone down on the aggression, but it's nowhere nearly as disrupting as it's being made out to be. Specially when the original subject of discussion (The fuck you in the readmes, the triggers) wasn't even brought up by him. He's pretty much entitled to put whatever he wants in the files he uploads into his server, as long as there's no malware in them.
Hell, kinda like what happened with Sean's Paypal account (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/paypal-has-restricted-my-account-because-what-i-do-here-157230.0.html), it would be a non-issue if not by a whistleblower trying to affect negatively the person in question. It had to be dug up, reaching for conflict deep in the barrel's bottom.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 07, 2014, 10:20:42 pm
I didn't really perceive it as an attack. My reply more or less meant "Man, you guys are taking the fun out of this ;_;"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 07, 2014, 10:24:18 pm
I didn't really perceive it as an attack. My reply more or less meant "Man, you guys are taking the fun out of this ;_;"
People don't seem to perceive fun the same way as you do. Not in MFG, not these days anyway.
Things have changed man, nothing is as loose as it used to be back in the day. This isn't the MFG that Sepp imagined or fought for. There's no self moderation, there's no "let it be, it really can't be THAT bad".
These dudes are banning people left and right for the stupidest things these days. They'll find a way if they really want to ban you. It's not worth it, don't give them any more reasons.
I'm pretty sure anybody and everybody has a lot more things to discuss that isn't mugen politics. Mugen Politics are stupid anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on February 07, 2014, 10:24:55 pm
I didn't really perceive it as an attack. My reply more or less meant "Man, you guys are taking the fun out of this ;_;"
Yeah that's how I saw it too...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Killer Kong on February 07, 2014, 10:29:41 pm
I didn't see it as anything really. At least nothing worth turning heads and getting worried about. Maybe I'm just too relaxed or standardized but, pleh.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 07, 2014, 10:33:14 pm
These dudes are banning people left and right for the stupidest things these days. They'll find a way if they really want to ban you. It's not worth it, don't give them any more reasons.
interesting, tell us about the latest bans that were set for stupid reasons, since it's happening left and right these days
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 07, 2014, 10:46:21 pm
Is it a bad thing to call out someone whos being a dick
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 07, 2014, 10:47:45 pm
How was I being a dick? I was being playful, again, casual. It's like you people didn't hang out with others in school.
Which I should have known better to do around here. Just ban me from all boards except the MUGEN and help sections, fighting games, graphic arts, and beyond MUGEN. Because I'm not disrupting anything MUGEN-related (which is the reason this forum was created), and I just want people to have fun with the engine and get the help they deserve.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 07, 2014, 10:50:00 pm
These dudes are banning people left and right for the stupidest things these days. They'll find a way if they really want to ban you. It's not worth it, don't give them any more reasons.
interesting, tell us about the latest bans that were set for stupid reasons, since it's happening left and right these days
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1897228
This was pretty stupid. I don't know if they deleted his post history, but he's being internet tough guy in only his last 2 posts. But yeah, Cyan Paul "wanting him gone", and Person Man calling the user a "shit lord" isn't exactly the level of seriousness I'd expect from a forum's administration. May be just my opinion, but the standards for moderation and staff these days are pretty low, here at MFG.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on February 07, 2014, 10:54:02 pm
I don't know if they deleted his post history, but he's being internet tough guy in only his last 2 posts.
... Uh ? I'm looking at his post history right now and he's being a dick for half of the posts he made that are more recent than 2 years. Judging from that, he was away for 2 years, came back to post a game, and halfway through it he became a complete dick. That's just one topic, but that's all of his activity that is more recent than 2 years. They said that because he completely broke down in the middle of that thread of his, in response to posts that seem pretty reasonable. I don't know about warnings and the length of the ban but he flew out of control there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 07, 2014, 10:56:31 pm
I agree the guy was a dick, but I think what Walt is trying to say is that the shittalking isn't really necessary. Just ban and be done with it. That's how I dealt with alexander4488.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 07, 2014, 11:00:29 pm
I don't know if they deleted his post history, but he's being internet tough guy in only his last 2 posts.
... Uh ? I'm looking at his post history right now and he's being a dick for half of the posts he made that are more recent than 2 years. Judging from that, he was away for 2 years, came back to post a game, and halfway through it he became a complete dick. That's just one topic, but that's all of his activity that is more recent than 2 years. They said that because he completely broke down in the middle of that thread of his, in response to posts that seem pretty reasonable. I don't know about warnings and the length of the ban but he flew out of control there.
You're telling me he posted about a game, people jumped him, he went berserk on the record for 2 posts, and he was banned based on 2 year old actions?
Where's the communication?
Cyan Paul said:
I thought Jmorphman had warned him [...] so I banned him for 3 days (by GONE I meant 'gone for good').
Turns out Jmorphman didn't warn him, I goofed.
... not here ^
This was handled poorly in my opinion. Very poorly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 07, 2014, 11:07:26 pm
I didn't really perceive it as an attack. My reply more or less meant "Man, you guys are taking the fun out of this ;_;"
The word 'fag' has a crapload of stigma that it didn't in the past, it's now something that I try to avoid ever using when before I would throw it around casually. If you'd gone with 'Dicks' or something, I really doubt there would have been the same negative response. I know how you meant it but seriously seriously poor word choice.
And can we just stop the massive drama spiral around anything JZ does? I can't say I know him or half of this he said she said crap but it's beyond irrelevant now. Guy is here, guy wants to make content, drama results. Get on with your lives. If he's the source of future problems deal with said future problems. I don't think I've seen this much butthurt on Guild... ever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 07, 2014, 11:08:49 pm
I didn't really perceive it as an attack. My reply more or less meant "Man, you guys are taking the fun out of this ;_;"
The word 'fag' has a crapload of stigma that it didn't in the past, it's now something that I try to avoid ever using when before I would throw it around casually. If you'd gone with 'Dicks' or something, I really doubt there would have been the same negative response. I know how you meant it but seriously seriously poor word choice.
And can we just stop the massive drama spiral around anything JZ does? I can't say I know him or half of this he said she said crap but it's beyond irrelevant now. Guy is here, guy wants to make content, drama results. Get on with your lives. If he's the source of future problems deal with said future problems. I don't think I've seen this much butthurt on Guild... ever.
:nicepost:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on February 07, 2014, 11:14:45 pm
You're telling me he posted about a game, people jumped him, he went berserk on the record for 2 posts, and he was banned based on 2 year old actions?
... What ? No. I said his recent actions, the ones that are more recent than 2 years, are pretty much all in that thread, and all he did in that thread was go crazy. For more than two posts. Stop saying it's only two posts because it's not. I'm counting 5 out of 11 in those less-than-two-year-old posts, that's half of his activity.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 07, 2014, 11:28:56 pm
I didn't really go further than the 1st page of his posts. It didn't look half as bad as "I don't want him here" "That shitlord"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on February 07, 2014, 11:32:02 pm
I didn't really go further than the 1st page of his posts. It didn't look half as bad as "I don't want him here" "That shitlord"
Beyond that is two years old. No one said anything about his posts older than 2 years (or old than a month, really, since it's the same). And yes, he was an asshole in half the posts he made since his return. Not saying the ban should be permanent or something, but he was pretty damn bad and he got punished for it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 07, 2014, 11:56:42 pm
i would've expected a better example of staff "banning people left and right for the stupidest things these days" than the guy that posted the following gems getting banned two weeks ago
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what you say is useless! Just another aggravated idiot, unloved, depraved, reject venting on anyone who would listen. It would be righteous, that if you have nothing good to say, don't say nothing!
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You got big mouths with clicks, never thinking that this could get real, real quick! History shows that no one is beyond reach, i think you guys should be careful, you don't know me, who i know, or what can happen! Be careful! The hell with this game or compilation or whatever you stuffy punks think it should be called! Idiots like yourselves try to criticize other people for use of other peoples stuff, none of you own any of the characters you ripped off of the company's. Most of you ripp other peoples stuff, so to claim any rights is a joke! I laugh at you! Laugh! Keep on ripping off other peoples stuff, continue making your screenpacks, and oh, i forgot compilations, full games whatever! One thing you won't be is original, so kill yourself and do society a favor,or keep talking!.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 07, 2014, 11:58:26 pm
Yo, did you read that thread (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/guilty-gear-xrd-arc-wars-mugen-edition-version-1-156560.0.html)?
Everything was going well until Felo got into MFG technicisms, discreting the I-don't-know-how-many-hours he'd spent on it, how "anyone can do that", and "you're just using other people's stuff". He was practically calling his work garbage. It may not be the ultimate mugen artwork but it sure as hell wasn't being disruptive or harmful until he got jumped. He reacted to the negativity, which he didn't start.
If any, Trinitronity's post made it even worse, and it just spiralled out of control from there. He reacted poorly, but he was received ultra negatively. That shouldn't be the way that people should be received around here. The way JMM handled it was right, still the guy got banned by the other GMod not involved in cooling things down. My point still stands.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on February 08, 2014, 12:03:26 am
He reacted poorly, but he was received ultra negatively.
And nevertheless, his reaction was unacceptable. The handling was a wreck, which is one thing you can say against the staff, but it's doesn't mean that this guy was blameless. That behavior he had was garbage, that's a fact. A punishment was well deserved, regardless of Person Man's or Cyan's comments about it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 08, 2014, 12:15:20 am
It was only 1 situation, it was defused. He reacted poorly, but doing it so ONCE doesn't automatically warrant a ban in my opinion.
Apparently your opinion is different than mine. And in the end Cyan Paul accepted that he fucked up by banning him. And Cyan Paul's reaction towards the situation, and the way he worded it made him seem petty. Person Man calling him a shitlord wasn't right either. Where do you stand on this? They should have stayed out of it, and leave it 100% to JMM.
Also, what your expectation of the demeanor and handling situations from the Staff? I'm pretty sure they should be impartial, more understanding and conciliating than just calling the users names, and banning because "they want someone gone". Their speech shouldn't be emotionally charged, it's not proper.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on February 08, 2014, 12:21:52 am
Without speaking about specific situations, you can't expect someone to not have emotions. And I'm sure you're just forgetting who you're talking to when you ask me what I think of getting angry at someone, maybe throwing insults, and doing what's needed to take him out. Staff or not - I consider that detail irrelevant. If you want to know what I expect of someone with power, my answer is that I expect the same from someone without power.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 08, 2014, 12:23:33 am
Well you're not staff, I don't expect that from you :P
I see where you're coming from, though. Your opinion, my opinion, etc. I've pointed it out, the staff can do that whatever they want.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on February 08, 2014, 12:26:44 am
I agree with you walt. That event was handled badly. The ban was reduced to 1 day. Cyan Paul accepted he jumped the gun. JMM's way of handling it was more correct.
I do not see Cyan Paul making the same mistake again. If so then it would really be cause for concern. The "shitlord" comment was tasteless and is a sign that we can be a bit too jaded. MissB would have probably been the only person to say something about that had she been active. The rest of us should have. I won't let that happen without calling it out again.
That's still not us banning users left and right.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Pigeot on February 08, 2014, 12:29:27 am
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on February 08, 2014, 12:34:05 am
what
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on February 08, 2014, 12:35:16 am
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He reacted poorly, but he was received ultra negatively
I really beg to disagree. He was received poorly, but his reaction was ultra negative.
Annoying as Felo's post may have been, it didn't justify him acting like a massive prick. Seriously, going on a crazy tirade about how everyone who disagrees with him is an idiot and a pathetic internet nerd whose ass he'd kick irl because he's muslim(!)?
How can you think his behavior could be anything but unacceptable for this forum? They guy has been around for longer than most users here. Even if he wasn't an active use all along he should know forum netiquette by now. He isn't a 12 yo kid who doesn't know how to behave around grown ups and calls people childish names because he can't argue with them. We expect a minimun level of maturity from our userbase because otherwise the forum becomes a fucking dumpster.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 08, 2014, 12:36:20 am
Now that you bring it up, you guys ban gimmicky posters. My memory may fail me, but didn't the Staff ban Navana at the time, or Big Sally just because they were gimmicky? I really don't see that "I don't like the way he posts" as reason enough to ban someone. No goatse, no virus, no fuck Guild, just "don't like the way and/or colors he uses when posts, let's ban him".
You guys are selling the bans pretty cheap.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on February 08, 2014, 12:55:43 am
Big Sally left on his own. Navana was banned over a year ago. Before I came back more actively. I don't remember everything he did, IIRC it was very disruptive. But again, that was well over a year ago. Still outside the bounds of banning left and right.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on February 08, 2014, 12:58:50 am
IINM, Navana got banned for repeated short periods of time, always for the same reason, and he kept getting more chances and kept blowing them up. Navana's one of those guys who just couldn't stay in peace, so he didn't stay at all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 08, 2014, 01:00:35 am
Yo, did you read that thread (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/guilty-gear-xrd-arc-wars-mugen-edition-version-1-156560.0.html)?
yes, i posted in that thread, questioning jmorphman's procedure, which kind of implies i read all of it.
i suggest you use less hyperbole the next time you try to have a serious discussion about how terrible the staff is. it's hard to take your posts seriously that way
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Pigeot on February 08, 2014, 01:07:34 am
His posts were hyperbolic, but he has a point. Our staff tends to mockingly insult users especially ones they're preparing to ban. Secondly, they often cite inflammatory posts as reasons for banning users, but let others who repeatedly do it to pass. Why?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 08, 2014, 01:09:52 am
I suggest you use less hyperbole the next time you try to have a serious discussion about how terrible the staff is. it's hard to take your posts seriously that way
I'll take your suggestion in consideration. I wasn't trying to make a super serious discussion focusing on this. The real matter at hand was letting Jesuszilla know things have changed, he could get banned for using a specific font size, for posting images, for being categorized "a shit lord", etc
Hyperbole or not, the 1 example you provided is good enough to prove my THAT 1 POINT (in bold above) and the staff remains to be pretty terrible regardless.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on February 08, 2014, 02:09:57 am
A few user have gotten away with posting in different font/font color like that guy with gender dysphoria or that other guy who posted in green and then dropped it. It's not about colors, it's about being disruptive and all around terrible poster; and DAN_HIBIKI was both. He derailed threads with his stupid Dan antics and even did this on purpouse shamelessly trying to drag people to his own threads.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 08, 2014, 02:11:22 am
That goes without mentioning his weak justifications for his shameless plugs by saying "but nobody visits my threads just help me out" or something like that. I don't see how that's tolerable.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on February 08, 2014, 02:33:35 am
Zen Master Sepp's views on Blue Font Guy's blue font.
The staff is going downhill.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 08, 2014, 02:39:30 am
He isn't here anymore. He confronted, he communicated.
You would have banned him probably on grounds of "I want him gone" and nobody would bat an eye in the staff section.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on February 08, 2014, 02:48:50 am
I don't recall panzer telling people they were losers for engaging him in an internet discussion or telling them he could punch them irl when he was in the unpopular side of an argument, so I doubt that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 08, 2014, 02:52:45 am
oh walt thinks people really got banned for impractical font style and posting images and there were absolutely no other factors involved
(image of shiny text that says "thats hyperbole")
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 08, 2014, 03:03:38 am
The subject of 'terrible staff' as you politely named it, came up as a warning from me to Jz. http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1906239
It wasn't the main point I was trying to make. And I've made my point. Jmorphman did the right thing to try to cool things down. The way you, titiln, would have handled it would probably be very different, I do believe that Cyan Paul's "goof up" was pretty terrible. Had Jmorphman not been involved in the thread trying to fix things, that's just how things would have turned out without nobody opposing it.
That, in my opinion, is pretty terrible. Maybe not in your opinion. My hyperbolic comment was directed at Jz and he knew what I meant. So, drop it please?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 08, 2014, 03:24:35 am
you say shit has changed, and that's actually right. cyan paul skipped protocol and went straight for the ban on a user that was telling others to kill themselves and that he would beat them up irl. years ago when i was administrator this would've been par for the course and the ban would've been longer. now it's considered a mistake by other staff members. things changed. bans are shorter. there's way more dialogue between staff and users before a ban. people get way more chances now than back then.
so when you tell jesuszilla that staff are banning people left and right, and that you can get banned exclusively for having a different font style or because you post images, that's fucking ridiculous.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 08, 2014, 03:47:32 am
I'm not sure "empty threats, internet tough guy" is the absolute worst. Byakko actually went to beat up a guy IRL and he didn't get banned.
years ago when i was administrator this would've been par for the course and the ban would've been longer. now it's considered a mistake by other staff members. things changed. bans are shorter.
Actually, now that you mention it, yeah you're right. Bans were even more stern in your era, and that's how the Sepp tone started to change to where we are now.
In my defense, hey, at least I'm consistent. Remember how I opposed you at every turn? It wasn't because I disliked you (you're a funny guy) but your views on how to handle staff shit. You haven't changed your mind about that, and I haven't either. I'm allowed my hyperbole for my comment in confidence to Jz. Sure it was public, but still it's my opinion whether you like it or not ... I admit it may be blown out of proportion statistically, but the idea is there. "This isn't TM, or or MFG by Zen Master Sepp, your humor or overall behaviour won't fly here , bans are more common over less tolerant stuff, etc"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 08, 2014, 03:49:53 am
I'm pretty sure Greedo (Vyx) shot first
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 08, 2014, 03:50:21 am
Is that thread HOF'd? CUZ IT SHOULD BE
Edit: It is, never mind.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on February 08, 2014, 01:17:42 pm
oh walt thinks people really got banned for impractical font style and posting images and there were absolutely no other factors involved (http://r69.cooltext.com/rendered/cooltext1418284884.gif)
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Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
I didn't know custom text expired so fast over there, the "hyperbole" gif is gone
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mgbenz on February 08, 2014, 01:31:58 pm
And here I thought that the staff nowadays are way too loose.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 08, 2014, 07:32:47 pm
Here's the solution, we drop all the moderators onto an island together inhabited by super warriors from an alien race dedicated to the hunt (some sort of super... predator) Whoever survives will have def seen some shit and will be able to make decisions more grounded in the cruel reality that is life.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on February 08, 2014, 07:34:32 pm
I think a Hunger Games setting is more fitting for this scenario...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 08, 2014, 07:51:07 pm
battle royale, so we get to randomize the weapons,also that way there will be mroe sex and violence than in the hunger games way.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 08, 2014, 07:51:38 pm
I don't want this to heat up again but I keep seeing these kinds of misconceptions regarding the recent rule change.
Specially when the original subject of discussion (The fuck you in the readmes, the triggers) wasn't even brought up by him. He's pretty much entitled to put whatever he wants in the files he uploads into his server, as long as there's no malware in them.
Everyone is entitled to put whatever they want in a character. But we the staff are entitled to make sure anything posted here follows the rules of this forum, and that now applies to releases. Things that would be objectionable if posted in a post on the forum are now just as objectionable if they're posted in a character. Pretty simple, and it shouldn't be a big deal.
Also: BigSally has never been banned (there was a vote in 2011 that most mods wanted him gone but I can't find a reference to a ban anywhere in the ban list, and he's definitely not currently banned), Navana was never banned for his text formatting, we wouldn't ban Sepp (seriously, what the fuck), you can still have tons of fun without using the word "fag" (BTW, there's not a lot of online communities that let you get away with posting nigger or faggot, so I'm not sure why this is unreasonable), and you won't get banned for "using a specific font size, for posting images, for being categorized "a shit lord"".
And now for some quotes by members of the staff to show how tyrannical they are:
I still maintain that I did the right thing in warning him first. Instantly banning someone without at least attempting to let them know why they're in trouble seems unfair to me. Plus, with my way if someone comes back crying "I didn't do anything, nobody warned me, I would have stopped if you said something" there's evidence we can point at to say "Yes we did warn you, and no you didn't stop."
You always try NOT to ban. Talk, give clear verbal warnings, PM, be civil. If all things fail a ban is issued. In most cases we tend to go with the incrementing time formula.
1st ban is 3 days. Then a month. Then 3 months, 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, etc till they are basically permabanned. MC2 has been banned so often I forget where he's at =p
Yeah, banning should always be a last resort unless it's a really drastic situation. Like a couple of weeks ago when that one guy went nuts and started flooding dozens of threads with hundreds of porn pics, we had to ban him immediately just to get him stop posting long enough to clean up the mess. But stuff like that where someone needs to be banned immediately are very few and far between.
Like JNP said, the best course of action is to always try and resolve things peacefully first. Talk to whoever's causing the offense, let them know what's up. Nine times out of ten, you won't even need to bother with an actual warning if you can talk things out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 08, 2014, 07:54:13 pm
battle royale, so we get to randomize the weapons,also that way there will be mroe sex and violence than in the hunger games way.
While tempting I think a Battle Royale setting would be counterproductive to what we want... the moderators would take 3 days to discuss and argue before they actually killed eachother each time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 08, 2014, 07:57:58 pm
iirc they have to kill at least one moderator per day or all of them will die.
jmorph : the point about the word fag is that it was aceptable once in these forums just like longer ago the word nigger was; now it's not acceptable, just like nigger is not, times change. zilla stopped coming to these forums before the change to fag was made so it caught him offguard, but he understands not that he should not use it like that, just like we stopped using the word nigger.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 08, 2014, 08:13:34 pm
I didn't see many people tossing around the words nigger and faggot much before that all happened. Nothing has really changed since then. They weren't really acceptable back then, and they still aren't now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on February 09, 2014, 02:21:22 pm
Since I wrote this in the wrong place, I'm now putting this here:
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1906926
I suggest to merge the accounts and ban him for three days.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on February 09, 2014, 03:46:54 pm
I didn't see many people tossing around the words nigger and faggot much before that all happened. Nothing has really changed since then. They weren't really acceptable back then, and they still aren't now.
It's still perfectly acceptable to joke about rape and throw the word "cunt" around of course.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 09, 2014, 03:59:06 pm
and yet we banned people before for insulting people in a mysoginistic way, you know this, you even did some of those bans.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on February 09, 2014, 04:05:59 pm
I think we haven't had any instance of that recently. Blood Riot Iori is the only one who comes to mind.
...jokes about rape? Oh, come on. How's that in the same league as slurs?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 09, 2014, 04:14:22 pm
It depends on the situation, but I can't remember anything being out of bounds though.
Though that certainly doesn't mean it can't happen!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 09, 2014, 04:16:45 pm
In my defense, hey, at least I'm consistent. Remember how I opposed you at every turn? It wasn't because I disliked you (you're a funny guy) but your views on how to handle staff shit. You haven't changed your mind about that, and I haven't either. I'm allowed my hyperbole for my comment in confidence to Jz. Sure it was public, but still it's my opinion whether you like it or not ... I admit it may be blown out of proportion statistically, but the idea is there. "This isn't TM, or or MFG by Zen Master Sepp, your humor or overall behaviour won't fly here , bans are more common over less tolerant stuff, etc"
i think that if jesuszilla survived the times in which i was administrator and was a shithead about people's funny posts, the current setting shouldn't be a problem for him. i know you don't like the way i do things, which is why you were a gmod for a long time back in the day. it's good to have someone with a dissenting opinion that voices it properly and often, it makes you think twice about things
MissBHaven said:
It's still perfectly acceptable to joke about rape and throw the word "cunt" around of course.
and then there's you. you're been a gmod for a long time. you keep talking about these issues while doing jack shit about them. where are your posts in warnings where you discuss people using the word cunt? where are your posts about the rampant use of rape jokes in guild?
i'd also like to congratulate c001357, for being a good poster, being a good gmod and keeping it up for years, and doing the unprecedented act of having an alt account with good posts (umezono) and that account also becoming a gmod. this is remarkable. simply remarkable. congratulations.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on February 09, 2014, 04:24:43 pm
...jokes about rape? Oh, come on. How's that in the same league as slurs?
I'm going to assume you didn't think this reply through very carefully.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on February 09, 2014, 04:29:42 pm
I thought about it very carefully, and I'm willing to tell you why I believe slurs are far more damaging for society than tasteless jokes about forced sex.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 09, 2014, 04:47:21 pm
In an effort to avoid a flare up I'd say instead of trying to argue over which is more offensive we should just establish both are pretty sketchy and slimy and should be handled on a case by case basis
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 09, 2014, 04:51:54 pm
context is everything and we have banned people before over being shitheads with that kind of reasoning.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on February 09, 2014, 05:20:06 pm
i'd also like to congratulate c001357, for being a good poster, being a good gmod and keeping it up for years, and doing the unprecedented act of having an alt account with good posts (umezono) and that account also becoming a gmod. this is remarkable. simply remarkable. congratulations.
this was only possible through minna-sans efforts. i will continue to ganbaru(｀･ω･´)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 09, 2014, 05:32:31 pm
RE: locking threads
drama threads usually blow up and take over the recent posts list for a good while, drowning out more useful posts. how about someone codes a mod that lets you mark threads as "don't show replies to this thread in the recent posts lists". boom. problem solved in 2021 when this is actually implemented
another alternative i always liked better than locking was making a "final" post in the vein of "ok this discussion is going nowhere, unless anyone else has anything legitimate to add to this thread, stop posting here. further useless replies will be deleted". it's not very nice but it beats locking imo
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 09, 2014, 05:41:16 pm
drama threads usually blow up and take over the recent posts list for a good while, drowning out more useful posts. how about someone codes a mod that lets you mark threads as "don't show replies to this thread in the recent posts lists". boom. problem solved in 2021 when this is actually implemented
another alternative i always liked better than locking was making a "final" post in the vein of "ok this discussion is going nowhere, unless anyone else has anything legitimate to add to this thread, stop posting here. further useless replies will be deleted". it's not very nice but it beats locking imo
I like this idea too but itd prob fall under the same censorship arguments. It does keep the useful points pf the thread open for discussion tho so its a great idea (to me )
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 09, 2014, 05:56:23 pm
It would encourage people to think their replies through, rather than just reiterate the same shit that fills the thread in the first place. Sounds good to me. EDIT: Or maybe expand on Titiln's first suggestion and make it possible to block an entire board from showing up on your activity feed? Especially since drama can permeate multiple threads, just blocking an entire section of the forum from your feed might do you good.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 09, 2014, 06:38:22 pm
I prefer letting it be contained to that thread. Having it spill is worse as you have more cleanup to do.
Then again, I use a different warning system where I mod so I have a different method than you guys do here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on February 09, 2014, 06:41:34 pm
another alternative i always liked better than locking was making a "final" post in the vein of "ok this discussion is going nowhere, unless anyone else has anything legitimate to add to this thread, stop posting here. further useless replies will be deleted". it's not very nice but it beats locking imo
I like that idea.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 09, 2014, 06:42:07 pm
Samehere. Where I mod its commonplace to lock as a means of moderating drama tho. This will take some restraint haha.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 09, 2014, 06:47:17 pm
Then again, I use a different warning system where I mod so I have a different method than you guys do here.
Interesting. Where do you Mod, if I may??
http://zandronum.com/forum/member.php?action=profile&uid=8 It's kind of hard for me to explain how the system works. See that % by warn (I dunno if guests can)? At about 60% you posts are moderated, 80% you get suspended, and 100% is a ban, but it's also at mod discretion. I do a fair amount of work over there since I mod 3 different areas (forum being one of them).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on February 09, 2014, 06:50:43 pm
http://zandronum.com/forum/member.php?action=profile&uid=8 It's kind of hard for me to explain how the system works. See that % by warn (I dunno if guests can)? At about 60% you posts are moderated, 80% you get suspended, and 100% is a ban, but it's also at mod discretion. I do a fair amount of work over there since I mod 3 different areas (forum being one of them).
Ah, I see. That system sounds pretty interesting and I'll look more into your forum later on for sure. :2thumbsup:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on February 13, 2014, 11:35:58 pm
Why didn't you merge Shift-DS/waly066 alternate accounts and ban him?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 13, 2014, 11:42:47 pm
Only admins can merge accounts.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 13, 2014, 11:50:18 pm
Merged. also banned his original account for six days
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 19, 2014, 07:22:20 pm
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Now solve the issue with comic book forum goers being afraid of posting here.
if the touhou guys got accepted, the comic book ones can.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 19, 2014, 07:25:40 pm
Well honestly I see it as these guys are comic book fans first, mugen coders second so they are far more averse to feedback and more likely to construe it was attacks on the character and their vision for it. Generally there is a lot of potential in many of these characters at least from a spritework standpoint its just the shoddy coding would never hold up to many of the Guild poster's standards. The best way to fix this is to just encourage good coding habits and maybe invite them to post them here with a reminder feedback is not meant to be insulting. And maybe tone it down a bit with "wow this character is awful" even if its coupled with valid feedback. Otherwise it seems like a lost cause to me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 19, 2014, 08:06:35 pm
yeah, if you use chuchoryu as reference, there is no point in bringing the comic guys there yet.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 19, 2014, 10:22:09 pm
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Now solve the issue with comic book forum goers being afraid of posting here.
Um, I'm a comic book guy.
The problem isn't Guild, it's people being content with very poor quality in both sprites and coding, and/or being completely batshit insane, and/or going utterly crazy in response to criticism.
ZVitor and Loganir and O Ilusionista post here and they're kind of the best guys these days. Toni's from here too?
So, I mean, I should still have a good rep on CC/IMT for the most part? And anyone paying attention should certainly be aware I don't think MFG is satans?
So, um, yeah, if you want to have a good posting experience on MFG, don't be shit?
Though, people writing off creations just because they're from a certain forum should probably not happen. I've reported that in found release threads a couple of times.
Unless it's MMV
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 20, 2014, 04:37:54 am
I think the best we can do is make sure people don't get unnecessarily harsh in their feedback. Which seems, to me at least, to be getting more and more common. And since people don't usually report it, it means we have to be extra vigilant in this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 20, 2014, 04:42:01 am
It's kind of annoying that unnecessary harshness isn't reported as often as it should be, especially since mods don't always surf around every single release. I guess it's best to just remind everybody that yes, unnecessarily harsh feedback can indeed be report-worthy. A certain degree of harshness might be required depending on the context, but blatant attacks/insults/whatever never are.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on February 20, 2014, 05:15:22 am
Let´s not confuse harshness with blatant insults. You can be a little harsh avoiding insults. That´s a matter of attitude in general or how OP may take it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 20, 2014, 05:17:04 am
That'll be up to the discretion of the reporter and the mod who subsequently takes action, if any is needed. Most of the people here should have the good sense to know the difference between harsh truth and unnecessary bashing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on February 20, 2014, 05:18:42 am
Let´s hope so.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 20, 2014, 05:20:14 am
Let´s not confuse harshness with blatant insults. You can be a little harsh avoiding insults. That´s a matter of attitude in general or how OP may take it.
The problem is is that harshness is starting to go over the line and become insulting. You don't need to be a dick when giving feedback.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on February 20, 2014, 05:39:38 am
Feedback styles
The Robot - "If you tap forward and light punch repeatedly, you can create an infinite combo."
Neutral - "Infinite: FWD+LP, FWD+LP, FWD+LP, etc"
Funny - "Your char has the WALKING JAB OF DOOM (FWD+LP, FWD+LP over and over)
Harsh - "Your char has the WALKING JAB OF DOOM. How the hell did you miss that?!"
Outright insult - "Your char has the WALKING JAB OF DOOM. Fucking amateur mistake."
DDM - "Your char has the WALKING JAB OF DOOM. Kill yourself."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on February 20, 2014, 08:30:35 am
That was actually quite accurate and insightful. I've experienced every one of those feedback types in my days.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on February 20, 2014, 08:43:41 am
Outright insult is incorrect. They wouldn't name it like that. Just
"has infinite, you suck, this sucks, deleted"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 20, 2014, 12:01:27 pm
you are missing ridiculously disproportionate insulting feedback
This has a infinite he is my vlog about how your chars are a shit, it has ten miuntes of me screaming at a microphone about how much of a shit piece you are, INFINITE JAAAABS OF DOOOM DOOMDOOOM the last five minutes are a alcapella remix of myself screaming about it, I hope you die. Im way better than you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on February 20, 2014, 12:03:18 pm
So if "outright insult" is all of that, what is "Your char has the WALKING JAB OF DOOM. Fucking amateur mistake." ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 20, 2014, 12:41:10 pm
thats uneeded insult, what i said wasnt outright insult it was "ridiculously disproportionate"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on February 20, 2014, 02:50:36 pm
The problem isn't Guild, it's people being content with very poor quality in both sprites and coding, and/or being completely batshit insane, and/or going utterly crazy in response to criticism.
I agree, I'm a comic book guy too, but I'm so bored about shitty versions of comic book characters, where the only saving thing are sprites, and sometimes isn't even that. Apart of the ones you named, Buyog, Erradicator and Unlimited Team, as well some guys from here with sole creations (Cybaster's Batman, SeanAltly's Rorscharch and Rajaa's Supergirl). All the others I don't like it, especially from ex-CVG guys (MMV and CC), which I avoid at all cost (except if I want to edit them)
Let´s not confuse harshness with blatant insults. You can be a little harsh avoiding insults. That´s a matter of attitude in general or how OP may take it.
I think being harsh is sometimes so bad as being insulting, personally I don't see any differences with that. Feedback always should be bold and clear, so the author can improve and don't feel like he's attacking (a good feedback written harsh it's almost like attacking the other person). Also, why are you remind all those insulting stuff?? Those reminds me the dark times of KFM as dictator admin and the "-100000 of 10" ratings of DDR full of hateness. It's just like you're summoning all of that back to now :sick:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 20, 2014, 04:28:24 pm
slightly off topic, but resticky mugen screenshots. it's always on the top of the apge anyway and it's kind of a tradition ahving it stickied.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on February 20, 2014, 04:44:54 pm
Since it is always on top it defeats the need to have it stickied. If for some reason it is tough to find the sticky linking to it is readily available.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on February 20, 2014, 09:41:23 pm
Since it is always on top it defeats the need to have it stickied. If for some reason it is tough to find the sticky linking to it is readily available.
I went ahead and stickied it again. If there's any issue bring it up to me. Its such a popular thread that's constantly updated I feel it should remain a sticky staple in our discussion thread.
I was quickly browsing through reading feedback comments and all I can think of saying is that you're always going to get some type of flack about comments pertaining to a character. E.G. people will either come off too harsh or creators will take basic constructive criticism as an insult. There's a lot of hot and cold posting/reactionary posting going on. As long as both sides are reasonably civil without overreaction on either end, policing all of that shouldn't be a problem. But blatant insulting on any level won't be tolerated.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 21, 2014, 02:26:11 am
I disagree with the hub thread and no stickies. It just makes navigation more annoying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 21, 2014, 02:33:28 am
They were stickies in the first place and clicking a grand total of one or two more times really isn't really that bad. I don't see any reason to revert the change.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 21, 2014, 02:39:39 am
i agree with the idea of hub threads, when they link to a lot of threads. a sticky linking to like three threads seems like a hassle
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 21, 2014, 02:40:45 am
well we can always add up more shit
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 21, 2014, 02:42:18 am
That's why I left it unlocked was so people could suggest more threads.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on February 21, 2014, 02:50:13 am
I don´t like the hub threads at all. I preferred the stickies sincerely.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on February 21, 2014, 02:57:43 am
Everyone is just used to the old way. I resrickied the screenshots thread before realizing that C.A.N made the hub sticky. I didn't like the idea at first, but I quickly grew accustomed to it. It actually works better this way.
And if you think about it, the video and screenshots thread are so popular they will always be up top anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 21, 2014, 03:03:37 am
Generally it's a good idea to sticky the most popular threads (within reason, usually if it's really relevant). However, since you have a thread that directs to it and others, it's not exactly necessary.
I never found it being a sticky to be necessary. It was always on the first page no matter what.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on February 21, 2014, 03:12:07 am
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Tamez on February 21, 2014, 05:28:17 am
Threads like the screenshot and video thread aren't stickied to keep them from falling off the page. They are stickied to make them more convenient to access when jumping from one section of the forum to another.
The hub thread does not make anything more convenient.
Before, I would enter mugen discussion and hit the link at the end of the screenshot thread, which would take me to the newest unviewed post.
With the hub setup, I enter mugen discussion, hit the hub, click the screenshot link and get taken to a new tab (which I don't want) viewing the first page of the screenshot thread. Then I'd have to hit the button to go to the last page of the thread and hope that the newest unviewed post was on the last page. If not then I'd have to go back a page (or more depending on the number of posts) to find the spot where I left off.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 21, 2014, 05:29:43 am
That only really applies if they actually do fall off the page. Otherwise...
Threads like the screenshot and video thread aren't stickied to keep them from falling off the page. They are stickied to make them more convenient to access when jumping from one section of the forum to another.
The hub thread does not make anything more convenient.
Before, I would enter mugen discussion and hit the link at the end of the screenshot thread, which would take me to the newest unviewed post.
With the hub setup, I enter mugen discussion, hit the hub, click the screenshot link and get taken to a new tab (which I don't want) viewing the first page of the screenshot thread. Then I'd have to hit the button to go to the last page of the thread and hope that the newest unviewed post was on the last page. If not then I'd have to go back a page (or more depending on the number of posts) to find the spot where I left off.
This.
The hub setup is just annoying. Why do I need to enter a hub for 3 threads when they could be stickied?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on February 21, 2014, 05:33:29 am
^ Exactly. Is just impractical and being stickied is far more comfortable. I still don´t get how hub threads are better.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 21, 2014, 05:34:09 am
The only time it's useful is in development sections that have a TON of good, timeless topics. This is not one of those cases.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 21, 2014, 05:41:07 am
Dang you people can complain about anything
Maybe I'm not as lazy as you guys, but I don't see how this is so bad or inconvenient. I don't care one way or the other though lol.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 21, 2014, 05:42:08 am
^ That's basically me on this whole situation.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 21, 2014, 05:43:37 am
The problem isn't Guild, it's people being content with very poor quality in both sprites and coding, and/or being completely batshit insane, and/or going utterly crazy in response to criticism.
I agree, I'm a comic book guy too, but I'm so bored about shitty versions of comic book characters, where the only saving thing are sprites, and sometimes isn't even that. Apart of the ones you named, Buyog, Erradicator and Unlimited Team, as well some guys from here with sole creations (Cybaster's Batman, SeanAltly's Rorscharch and Rajaa's Supergirl). All the others I don't like it, especially from ex-CVG guys (MMV and CC), which I avoid at all cost (except if I want to edit them)
Most of those people aren't active anymore. =/
And just FYI, Toni originally made Supergirl before Rajaa took his/her sprites to make his own version.
And MMV/CC can have good characters once in a while. CC's Clayface and Hellboy had promise and Arkady's Havok was really super solid from what I can tell. Ark's hit-or-miss but he does hit sometimes, shouldn't write him off completely.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on February 21, 2014, 05:44:43 am
I dunno. If everyone was comfortable with the way it was and is voicing their opinions about how they don't like it, I say revert back to what it was.
The idea is good and I was all for it (And I could go either way) but the people are speaking and I say we change it back.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on February 21, 2014, 05:49:19 am
^ Thank you.
You all never hear the saying "If ain´t damaged, don´t fix it". Jeez. If you´re going to force that down our throats (exaggerated remark but whatever) implement something new then why don´t ask if it is a good idea to begin with?? You just did it because you and a couple of mods thought it was the best option?? interesting...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 21, 2014, 05:50:29 am
Actually, CAN did it himself lol. No conspiracy here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 21, 2014, 05:52:08 am
It'd be best to let JNP come in when he gets online, since the hub thread was pretty much his idea. The whole "broken" aspect that we saw was how many stickies there were in that section, which was brought up when I stickied the Roster Showcase. I suppose un-stickying those other threads was a good idea since nobody complained about those, but the overall lack of excess stickies is pretty much why I'm sticking to my position. It's cleaner and doesn't interfere as much with letting other threads be on the front page.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 21, 2014, 05:53:33 am
The only "excess stickies" were the ones like that contest that happened god knows how many years ago, and an interview that's been old news for quite a while as well.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 21, 2014, 05:55:02 am
That and the auction alert thread which could just as easily have separate topics for each instance as well.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on February 21, 2014, 05:56:06 am
I saw Just No Point agreeing in the Decisions v2!!!! >:( #toomuchtimeonmyhands
But Mugen discussion isn't even that cluttered with stickies. There will be just like 6 and that doesn't even take that much of space in there. The graphics section hub isn't nice too. The sprite threads should be stickied too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 21, 2014, 05:56:17 am
That and the auction alert thread which could just as easily have separate topics for each instance as well.
No, to have separate topics for that would clutter up the MUGEN discussion with too much trash. Having one thread was good, but I don't see the point in it being stickied. I DO think, however, that users should know about that resource if they come across any illegal auctions, etc.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 21, 2014, 05:59:22 am
Bit of a dilemma in that case. Idk, the auction nonsense didn't really happen all too much, so it wouldn't really clutter that badly, especially since the threads would most likely die out pretty quickly. Maybe it could be mentioned in one of the information board's topics or something similar. EDIT: Just in case somebody wasn't reading the staff section, I was thinking of making a topic pointing to Sepp's auction thread in the Information section. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on February 21, 2014, 07:24:50 am
EDIT: Just in case somebody wasn't reading the staff section, I was thinking of making a topic pointing to Sepp's auction thread in the Information section. Thoughts?
Why do you have to make a new topic in the Informations linking to a topic in the Mugen Discussion when you can just sticky it (the Mugen Discussion topic)? And it doesn't even clutter the board.
But I know how it'll end, no one will listen to what I said.
Ah, while I'm here, I'm going to remind this: merge these two accounts: http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/renegade-80751 and http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/xasor-80551 merge also these two ones: http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/banned-the-bald-fat-virgin-titiln-8160 and http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/japanese-jesus-83251 (for the admins)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 22, 2014, 05:59:08 am
Ah, while I'm here, I'm going to remind this: merge these two accounts: http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/renegade-80751 and http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/xasor-80551 merge also these two ones: http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/banned-the-bald-fat-virgin-titiln-8160 and http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/japanese-jesus-83251 (for the admins)
How do you know these are the same people? The first two definitely don't seem to be the same person. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 22, 2014, 06:09:48 am
One look at this topic's title will tell you. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/savage-hulk-1-0-by-renegade-aka-xasor-150846.0.html)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 22, 2014, 06:11:18 am
Huh, I even posted in the report for that.
But their ages are different also!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 22, 2014, 06:12:07 am
I don't think the evidence gets any more ironclad than that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on February 22, 2014, 06:12:43 am
As for the latter... (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1881086)
Holy hell at the salt.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 22, 2014, 06:16:57 am
You can't age ten years in one year! And you can't lie about your age here either, it's impossible!!!
He's probably using different emails for each account idk. Maybe hit him up with a PM asking yo what's up with the alt accounts and stuff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 22, 2014, 06:24:05 am
Maybe you can do it because you're the new blood! :twisted:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 22, 2014, 06:26:22 am
I hate you. :c Done.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on February 22, 2014, 07:31:37 am
The way SD attacks others in that fighting game board has been irking me, I know Uche's stupid but he's not the only one and sometimes he gets attacked despite him not saying anything that bad. I remember Caddie tried to tell SD and Byakko to calm down but they turned it around on him and said he was the one with the problem. Really I don't think being a jerk like that should be justified.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 22, 2014, 07:34:33 am
I'm gonna make sure it doesnt start again so no worries
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 22, 2014, 07:36:30 am
It's kind of habitual of him actually.
I once heard from someone I don't remember that many winters ago he was actually more harsh
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 22, 2014, 07:40:55 am
It doesn't change the fact that it's gone on for far too long and is really getting out of hand.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on February 22, 2014, 07:43:48 am
I remember Caddie tried to tell SD and Byakko to calm down but they turned it around on him and said he was the one with the problem.
That's just because I was an ass when I asked them to stop and how I went about doing it. That was around the time that whenever I would issue a warning, the person I'm warning(instead of taking the warning) would say something insulting about my reading comprehension or that I didn't review everything or something like that. God I'm glad I'm not an admin anymore. ;D
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on February 22, 2014, 07:45:57 am
Dio has a low tolerance for stupidity... understandable. Even so, some of the shit that's posted really isn't worth entertaining a response, especially if it's going to end in hurt feelings.
I once heard from someone I don't remember that many winters ago he was actually more harsh
I love classic stories.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on February 22, 2014, 07:47:29 am
That's actually as much as I know. I've only been around since 2007. Zantetsu has at least 3 years on me
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 22, 2014, 07:47:46 am
regarding the SD posts, i don't think his posts against uche need highlighting because uche made a legitimately stupid post, par for the course, he often makes bad posts and gets slammed for it, rightfully so, pretty much every active user has made fun of uche at some point in their illustrious posting careers, but calling rednavi an idiot (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1915269) for a tame joke is kinda uncalled for.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 22, 2014, 07:52:05 am
posts will be monitored. no problem
i also agree some of the uche stuff was not bad enough to warrant action Posted: February 22, 2014, 07:53:27 am
Dio has a low tolerance for stupidity... understandable.
meh this is weak justification for acting like someone has fucked your mom when they make a minor annoying post. again i know from experience cause i used to be that dick in other lands.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 22, 2014, 07:55:51 am
to make myself clearer, i don't like the idea that someone is getting warned for basically telling uche to shut the fuck up, because everybody does it since he's a really bad poster, so warning him for that looks very selective. i mean i posted in that same thread and essentially called uche stupid and got no warning for it. SD should be warned for the post to rednavi if anything
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 22, 2014, 07:57:46 am
It's not so much the fact that he's telling Uche to shut up. It's how he's wording it. There's a difference between "yo dude that's kinda not right" and "oh my god you're a fucking idiot just shut up," after all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on February 22, 2014, 07:58:00 am
At this point telling Uche to STFU is quite a standard cause everyone does it. I know is a bad thing but you gonna warn everyone if the case is Uche.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 22, 2014, 08:00:03 am
well you can slam bad posters within reason. saying "what the fuck are you talking about" and "are you an idiot?" is not that bad when faced with an idiotic post.
"dUche" and "Were you dropped as a baby?" were kinda childish however.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on February 22, 2014, 08:02:29 am
To be fair Uche did try to burn him by saying "...says the guys who is named Shadow Dio. :D," a rude reply to that I think is okay to an extent.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on February 22, 2014, 08:04:06 am
meh this is weak justification for acting like someone has fucked your mom when they make a minor annoying post. again i know from experience cause i used to be that dick in other lands.
That's why I added the 2nd part of my post. Nothing wrong with ripping bad posts, but doing it a certain way can ruin the quality of threads every bit as much as bad posts (hence the derailment).
To be fair Uche did try to burn him by saying "...says the guys who is named Shadow Dio. :D," a rude reply to that I think is okay to an extent.
Am I the only one who misses when he had Megaman as his avatar?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 22, 2014, 08:05:20 am
Personally I find Uche easy to ignore even without using the ignore feature. Thought we all just let him do his thing and not harm him cuz he's not harming anyone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 22, 2014, 08:05:58 am
It was the combination of the sheer number of all of the recent posts, directed not just at Uche but Rednavi and Shwa too, that made me feel like it warranted a warning. Uche is a... unique user, and people telling him to shut up or being rude to him whatever is a pretty common occurrence that has never really been a problem.
holy shit you guys stop posting I've been hitting this button forever
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 22, 2014, 08:10:58 am
okay so next important issue for the staff to handle:
who would win in a fight, jmorphman or iced
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 22, 2014, 08:12:28 am
Well, who has the Brak's Dad avatar? I think the answer should be obvious, because that's the deciding factor.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on February 22, 2014, 08:13:05 am
Never bet Jmorphman
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on February 22, 2014, 09:14:21 am
I've got the okay from Xasor to have an admin merge the accounts.
I remember Caddie tried to tell SD and Byakko to calm down but they turned it around on him and said he was the one with the problem. Really I don't think being a jerk like that should be justified.
Hey, I told him to drop the emotions and simply tell us to stop insulting them, and he said it, and I did. Don't know if you noticed that last bit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on February 22, 2014, 01:06:01 pm
Personally I find Uche easy to ignore even without using the ignore feature.
until he starts bumping topics.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 22, 2014, 06:08:46 pm
Tetsuo asked me to please not merge his account with his old one, he says it was fromw hen he was 13 and he didnt identify with that anymore.
As a way of compromise im changing his new account name so its clear its him and leave the old one unmerged.
I renamed his new account tetsuo9 and disabled the old one so it isnt able to be reentered..
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on February 24, 2014, 04:07:56 pm
Oh, so you were talking about SD?? let me show you (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/feedback-re-suggestion-remove-person-man-staff-156991.0.html) some evidences (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1914690) that Uche isn't the only affected here. I already got him in my ignore list, but I see that isn't enough
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 24, 2014, 04:14:30 pm
"douchezilla" wow are you 12
jmorphman already brought up way better examples in the warnings thread anyway
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 24, 2014, 04:17:54 pm
The douchezilla comment actually got reported too http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/fighting-games-re-if-there-was-one-thing-you-would-change-certain-fighting-game-157573.0.html
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on February 24, 2014, 04:19:15 pm
Don't start you too. I never like him and it's reciprocal, even when I respect him as creator, but I don't bully him as he did (and always did), "douchezilla" was just an answer to his words and nothing else
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 24, 2014, 04:21:50 pm
you answered a shitty comment he made with a shittier, extremely childish comment of your own. don't pretend you're being the better man here
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on February 24, 2014, 04:27:38 pm
I'm not pretending nothing, I just mentioned him and that's all, I didn't even quoted his bully post to answer him directly, I prefer to avoid more flamebait, as well to ignore SD comment later
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 24, 2014, 04:49:39 pm
you say he bullies you while you don't bully him, and that you prefer to avoid flamebait, but "douchezilla" proves otherwise to both claims. i don't know what you expected by posting that clever insult. learn to be the better man instead of answering like a child.
and you can't really say you ignored the SD comment when you brought it up here for no real reason. everybody else moved on from that subject and he was already warned for his posts. pay attention before posting that kind of thing. it's not like that "oh ive been laughing at him since day one" post he made is going to get him extra warned
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on February 24, 2014, 04:56:21 pm
C'mon, stop whiteknight them as if they were innocents. I brought SD stuff he said to me just to support Uche and other users being molested by him and say he's not the only one, and then you brought here the "douchezilla" stuff and start with this. So:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 24, 2014, 05:00:00 pm
You can both stop. SD was warned, JZ doesnt got much to do with it. This argument is pointless.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 24, 2014, 05:00:33 pm
Quote
I brought SD stuff he said to me just to support Uche and other users being molested by him
:stare:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on February 24, 2014, 05:02:38 pm
OK Ume, I'll stop with this, sorry for delay the thread u_u
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 24, 2014, 05:05:06 pm
No prob just enjoy life, live it to the fullest, the sky is the limit to what you can do man. And these forum posts just chaining you down
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on February 24, 2014, 05:09:25 pm
He's right. Quit Mugen, enjoy life.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 24, 2014, 05:20:17 pm
I understood what basara wanted to do, he wanted to show support fot the warning by pointing out his previous headbutts with him. There is no need tho, sd got warned, jz report got ignored so theres no point rethreading all of that.
Thanks for the support.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on February 25, 2014, 07:05:55 am
Dev help stuff. Page 1 bumps aren't allowed ever. Page 2 bumps are provided you're the topic creator. If you also have the problem you may bump the topic as well.
If you have a variant of the problem and the topic has actually been resolved you should create your own topic, not bump and hijack an old one so people get the right information rather than something tacked on.
I now have that forum minimised so i have no idea if anyone is even replying to "bumped page 2 topics" simply to let them know that nobody has what they're after and they could try XXXX. Most of those ones were tag team related tbh. Anything else was cos i didn't see it for one reason or another.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on February 25, 2014, 07:09:21 am
I'm going to remind this: merge these two accounts: http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/renegade-80751 and http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/xasor-80551 (for the admins)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on February 26, 2014, 09:10:14 pm
I'm going to remind this: merge these two accounts: http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/renegade-80751 and http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/xasor-80551 (for the admins)
I did this successfully once.
Just merged the posts from Renegade to Xasor's. Looks like it worked. I don't remember if I am supposed to delete the old account or if they were supposed to be combined with the action. So I'll wait till I can ask ICED so I can be sure I'm not messing up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 26, 2014, 10:01:12 pm
Why did you write iced in caps
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on February 26, 2014, 10:41:38 pm
I'm going to remind this: merge these two accounts: http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/renegade-80751 and http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/xasor-80551 (for the admins)
I did this successfully once.
Just merged the posts from Renegade to Xasor's. Looks like it worked. I don't remember if I am supposed to delete the old account or if they were supposed to be combined with the action. So I'll wait till I can ask ICED so I can be sure I'm not messing up.
>:C you did it wrong.
I merged them now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on February 26, 2014, 10:44:57 pm
;_;
Now I must be trained again. Back to the basement I go... :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on February 26, 2014, 10:47:17 pm
Delete one account, attribute posts to other. Simple stuff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on February 26, 2014, 10:53:29 pm
I forgot I was supposed to delete 1st. I panicked!!! Tooo muuuuccchhhh pppreeeeaaassuuuuuuurrrreeeee~~~
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on February 26, 2014, 11:52:05 pm
It happens, took me a while to figure it out. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 27, 2014, 04:25:05 am
Even if the discussion is over, staff-wise, I'd like to take a moment to respond to Basara.
Don't start you too. I never like him and it's reciprocal
I never had a problem with you, actually, until I saw you talking shit, despite never actually having a conversation with me. I'm glad I got you to admit it (your irrational hatred towards me, that is).
you say he bullies you while you don't bully him, and that you prefer to avoid flamebait, but "douchezilla" proves otherwise to both claims. i don't know what you expected by posting that clever insult. learn to be the better man instead of answering like a child.
I never bullied him at all, so I have no earthly idea what the hell he's talking about. And while it may be "flamebaiting" (which is just a term used by people who can't control themselves from responding to a post), it was actually a reference to South Park, done in a playful style.
Again, not sure where your hatred from me comes from, but quite frankly, while I should just say I'm disappointed and want things to be good (because I do), I cannot lie― that pisses me off.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on February 27, 2014, 04:45:32 am
/me punches Jesuszilla in the air and juggles him while singing "ONE! TWO! THREE! FOUR! FIVE SIX SEVEN!"
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
y'all are too lowbrow to know what the "playful reference" is there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on February 27, 2014, 04:58:38 am
Let me answer you to put an end to this once for all, JesusZilla. I see you got bad memory or really you've been forgotten this forum, but you made this kind of comments to me in the past (many years ago when I was just a newbie creator), this isn't the first time you say something like that to me, or to anyone else. Not that I've a deep hate for you, it's just I don't forget things like that, especially from people like you.
My "DoucheZilla" mention responds directly to your "Hey, let's point Basara and laugh!", typical comment of yours that I denied and I never offended your comments nor your work to answer you like that. Just a "respect to be respected" reminder and nothing more. As I said before, only said this word and didn't answer you directly via quote to avoid derail the thread (which I couldn't avoid it because of Titiln).
If you don't want that kind of comments again, then stop the douchebag comments (and attittude) in general, not just to me. If you don't like to read my "shit" (comments or any complains to my english speaking), just avoid it and keep going with the thread. You're not better than me or anyone else here because your creations or that orange star you got, we're all MUGEN fans and flamebaits don't be needed here anymore.
That's all.
PS: Mods and admins, feel free to take actions if this continues, by my side, this is the last thing I'll say about this and case closed
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 27, 2014, 05:04:22 am
Why don't the two of you take it to PM's and/or make out to diffuse the obvious sexual tension, jeez already.
It's the new wordfilter, meant "to remind us all of our the true lord and savior of MUGEN", or something. I wasn't really paying attention, didn't seem important, brainwashing via capitalized text has to be the most idiotic thing I've ever heard of, especially when you consider who it's supposed to make you worship, so who cares and all that stu--HAIL ICED.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on February 27, 2014, 05:09:41 am
Why don't the two of you take it to PM's and/or make out to diffuse the obvious sexual tension, jeez already.
Nope, that was my last word about this, I won't continue this further
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 27, 2014, 05:12:05 am
^ Too late. You already did. (not that it affects my making this post, but whatever)
My memory's gotten bad, but back in those days I made a shitton of mistakes and will say I was needlessly aggressive back then. But even so, how exactly were you a "newbie creator?" I didn't get here until 2005. Far as I know, you were creating way before I even got here, so don't give me that "I was a newbie" nonsense, unless you're referring to some rookie mistakes you probably made that I got on your ass about. Even then, as harsh as I was, I (generally) meant good by it. And get this, I was still a nice guy, if you had actually bothered to talk to me personally.
And as for the comment in that fighting game thread, that's a comment I could have directed at anyone, honestly. You're the one who took it personally, and thus too far. And you DID answer me directly because you referred to me, using a clear insult in my direction.
I honestly couldn't give less of a shit who insults me so long as they actually have a good reason. Because I could not see any good reason, I felt the need to straighten this out. Again, because you had never actually bothered to talk to me personally. And the sooner we get this out of the way, the sooner we can stop any further disruptions (like what we have here).
I can't change the past, I admit I made mistakes back then, and because I haven't done anything personally damaging or taken away THAT much peace of mind, or held ANY grudge against you (again, I didn't even know we HAD a problem), please forgive me.
At least respond back with THAT much.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 27, 2014, 05:17:31 am
No, don't respond back with that much. Take it to PM's guys, seriously.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 27, 2014, 05:18:15 am
What, taking an apology is a bad thing? I thought you WANTED to see people being nice? Well this is it!
Make up your mind, already.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 27, 2014, 05:22:19 am
... I don't even know how to respond to that.
This thread is for discussing staff behavior, to debate the actions we have taken, the bans we have given out, to suggest actions we should take, and so on. It is not the place for you two to complain at the other. You can use the handy PM function to do that, make apologies, become best friends, fly a kite, go searching for buried treasure, and more. Or even I dunno make some new thread about it in All That's Left? That seems a bit crazy but I dunno, it's better than doing it here!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 27, 2014, 05:23:12 am
I am not posting in ATL.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on February 27, 2014, 05:23:41 am
split this off to the shit thread if it bothers you that much, if they want to make this shit public, let them.
the "jesuszilla was mean to me, the newbie creator" claim is complete horseshit considering basara has an earlier registration date than jesuszilla.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on February 27, 2014, 05:24:53 am
I'd just prefer not to have it clutter up this thread, is all, and shitcanning stuff always should be the last resort, IMO. I think it's almost there, though!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 27, 2014, 05:25:31 am
Well, he'll need to respond to me by PM, then. I am not going into ATL. That's full of nothing but bad habits, fighting, and it's killing the forum with pointless bullshit because to me, that board only seems to encourage it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on February 27, 2014, 05:25:51 am
Well, he'll need to respond to me by PM, then. I am not going into ATL. That's full of nothing but bad habits, fighting, and it's killing the forum with pointless bullshit because to me, that board only seems to encourage it.
i don't know where you get the idea that people behave like completely different animals depending on the board they're posting in. arguments and fighting happen in other boards too, and this board (discuss about forum events and decisions and the staff) is especially prone to it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 27, 2014, 05:30:26 am
I didn't say it was dependent on the board in which they're posting. I said that the behavior that happens in that board encourages bad habits that can spread to the rest of the forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Pigeot on February 27, 2014, 05:41:58 am
to make myself clearer, i don't like the idea that someone is getting warned for basically telling uche to shut the fuck up, because everybody does it since he's a really bad poster, so warning him for that looks very selective. i mean i posted in that same thread and essentially called uche stupid and got no warning for it. SD should be warned for the post to rednavi if anything
Personally I find Uche easy to ignore even without using the ignore feature. Thought we all just let him do his thing and not harm him cuz he's not harming anyone.
It was the combination of the sheer number of all of the recent posts, directed not just at Uche but Rednavi and Shwa too, that made me feel like it warranted a warning. Uche is a... unique user, and people telling him to shut up or being rude to him whatever is a pretty common occurrence that has never really been a problem.
you say he bullies you while you don't bully him, and that you prefer to avoid flamebait, but "douchezilla" proves otherwise to both claims. i don't know what you expected by posting that clever insult. learn to be the better man instead of answering like a child. and you can't really say you ignored the SD comment when you brought it up here for no real reason. everybody else moved on from that subject and he was already warned for his posts. pay attention before posting that kind of thing. it's not like that "oh ive been laughing at him since day one" post he made is going to get him extra warned
This thread is for discussing staff behavior, to debate the actions we have taken, the bans we have given out, to suggest actions we should take, and so on. It is not the place for you two to complain at the other. You can use the handy PM function to do that, make apologies, become best friends, fly a kite, go searching for buried treasure, and more. Or even I dunno make some new thread about it in All That's Left? That seems a bit crazy but I dunno, it's better than doing it here!
Agree once again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on February 27, 2014, 05:45:29 am
This conversation is fucking stupid. It's old shit, and irrelevant shit at that. You can all take it to PMs, cause you won't be doing it here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on February 27, 2014, 05:48:50 am
Sepp made this thread 5 years ago and it's sorely underused now (I didn't even know it existed). Maybe it should be stickied or something.
I know that the HoF thread itself has a sticky but no one goes there (also it's locked so you can't request there). I understand that people (Trinitronity ;P ) may frequently request non-HoF worthy threads, but it wouldn't be any different from the full games request section a few years ago.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on February 28, 2014, 08:13:26 pm
My post wanting to HOF some USF4 posts was a joke :p
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on February 28, 2014, 08:22:07 pm
:'(
Aye, I could've swore it wasn't. Never mind this then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Daniel9999999 on March 01, 2014, 03:56:45 am
I think the handling of the post deletion could use a bit more of care, some posts deleted that can be viewed here (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1919788) were actually on topic for the discussion of the thread, such as this one (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1919793), this one (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1919803), This one (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1919815) and a few others.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 01, 2014, 03:58:26 am
You know you linked CAN's post twice, right?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Daniel9999999 on March 01, 2014, 03:58:43 am
I think it's really just to clean the counter since this is a sequential list. I don't know. This thread is a creature of chaos...
Pretty much, was going to delete all hentai references that were tapping after the warning jnp delivered but when I started seeing the logistics I would have had to delete callbacks and people answering others and leave the list all full of gaps, its not like it takes long to fill it back up.
I manually edited the numbers properly in a few pages of tha tthread im not doing THAT again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Daniel9999999 on March 01, 2014, 04:12:13 am
Well that explains everything, thanks for the answer.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on March 01, 2014, 04:26:02 am
I think it's really just to clean the counter since this is a sequential list. I don't know. This thread is a creature of chaos...
Even then, Umezono did the job of keep number ordering one time the numbers went to hell.. for the nth time.
Im gonna be real here I was stoned while doing it and I'm pretty sure I fucked up cause I spent like 30 seconds on each number. Wont happen again :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 01, 2014, 06:08:18 am
LOL
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on March 01, 2014, 06:12:52 am
LOL. Wow, I love the staff here already.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on March 01, 2014, 06:25:23 am
Joke's on you I skipped a number and no one noticed. :^)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 01, 2014, 06:38:04 am
Well, at least the numbering didn't get too silly and revert to decimals.
Doraemariby skipped 24 way back in the third post. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1917016) :book2: I have nothing better to do right now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on March 01, 2014, 01:55:33 pm
Holy cow, these users don't even know how to count!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 02, 2014, 04:42:13 am
two questions about award shit: 1: are you really going to use these (http://i.imgur.com/7fomW9F.png)? it's confusing. the red star is for admins. the slightly different red star is for contest winners. that's terrible 2: why isn't there a single board for contests instead of separated in stage and character boards. there aren't enough threads to justify this separation
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 02, 2014, 04:49:31 am
2: why isn't there a single board for contests instead of separated in stage and character boards. there aren't enough threads to justify this separation
The separation is for convenience. It's easier to archive results and whatnot in separate boards. That's what I've gleaned from JNP's explanation.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 02, 2014, 04:55:50 am
(http://i.imgur.com/2pzHcJQ.png) What about this for a CotY star? Or maybe it's too close to the Network star? I dunno, we're running out of colors and I'm not good at this shit.
I also still think it makes more sense to have one combined board
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 02, 2014, 04:57:15 am
I think it's dark enough to be noticeably different. I'm going to remain neutral on the separate boards vs combined board issue.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 02, 2014, 04:59:01 am
i don't see where the huge inconvenience is in having to deal with two thread types when archiving. two more stickies? in a board that would have four new threads monthly? that's not an issue. it's also inconvenient for whoever's voting, why should i check two different boards to vote for this month's shit once it goes up? where would a screenpack of the year thread go?
there are more possibilities than different star colors. you could have one star for awards with small text like CH for character or ST for stage. you could also make it something else instead of a star, like a circle or a small trophy thing. there are more options than Weird Red
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 02, 2014, 05:00:12 am
i don't see where the huge inconvenience is in having to deal with two thread types when archiving. two more stickies? in a board that would have four new threads monthly? that's not an issue. it's also inconvenient for whoever's voting, why should i check two different boards to vote for this month's shit once it goes up? where would a screenpack of the year thread go?
there are more possibilities than different star colors. you could have one star for awards with small text like CH for character or ST for stage. you could also make it something else instead of a star, like a circle or a small trophy thing. there are more options than Weird Red
in the screenpack contests board, douh.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 02, 2014, 05:07:37 am
there are more possibilities than different star colors. you could have one star for awards with small text like CH for character or ST for stage. you could also make it something else instead of a star, like a circle or a small trophy thing. there are more options than Weird Red
I think trophies would work pretty well. Get on that, someone. Wait I know, get on it, @Lith:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: vgma2 on March 02, 2014, 05:13:54 am
Didn't you guys use to have squares or something for some reason?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 02, 2014, 05:19:03 am
RE: skype thread being a sticky
it doesn't need to be a sticky.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 02, 2014, 05:19:59 am
I could recolor those stars if those weren´t so complicated. I mean, I tried.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 02, 2014, 11:32:27 am
I'm going to combine the awards boards. Just haven't gotten around to it. Work weekend sucks time and soul away.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on March 02, 2014, 12:48:25 pm
Made some things just because. Use them if you wish. (http://i.imgur.com/9eF3INO.png) (http://i.imgur.com/MreDh8n.png) (http://i.imgur.com/uup6t2a.png)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on March 02, 2014, 01:00:10 pm
Outside of the issue of the gold star looking too similar to the yellow ones, that looks good.
Thanks. I'll recolor what I've made for the trophies if anyone wants more trophy designs.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DMK on March 02, 2014, 01:16:26 pm
Would this be the proper place for me to talk about combing and removing stickys to? I was thinking with the recent work going around to condense the top of the boards that maybe combining 'last game you stopped playing/finished' could be done, but with maybe some thought put into it and extending the overall lines to 6 or at the least if someone likes to go in depth include a tl;dr version above or below sticking the original constraints. Obviously the 3DS friendcode would be unstickied once the profile one goes into effect leaving it looking fairly uniform once done.
This would be of course if it could be done without being a clusterfuck and if anyone thinks it matters on the Gaming board to do so.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mariodude21 on March 02, 2014, 02:17:15 pm
Mark my words. You may ban me, but I shall return! Ha, ha, ha, ha!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on March 02, 2014, 02:17:46 pm
Mark my words. You may ban me, but I shall return! Ha, ha, ha, ha!
Funny, I reported you here and you show up.
You're not funny. Do you want to get banned? Why don't you just log out? And if you get banned, and you re-appear, you'll get reported and eventually banned again and again until you're tired of registering.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Erroratu on March 02, 2014, 02:19:30 pm
who are you anyway?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on March 02, 2014, 02:21:43 pm
Who knows... he just started posting bad.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on March 02, 2014, 02:27:38 pm
Why do I have this feeling it is someone who dislikes the forum? Or may possibly have been banned from it previously? Posted: March 02, 2014, 02:37:40 pm ALSO**** More ideas I whipped up for fun:
Why do I have this feeling it is someone who dislikes the forum? Or may possibly have been banned from it previously? Posted: March 02, 2014, 02:37:40 pm ALSO**** More ideas I whipped up for fun:
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! You'll never ban me!
@Mariodude21: Want to bet? I don't know what you're playing at with this "try and ban me if you dare" schtick, but it ends now. Cut this nonsense out now or yes, you will be banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 02, 2014, 05:01:54 pm
sounds like someone hacked his account, so ban him and inform the previous email of what happened.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 02, 2014, 05:09:17 pm
why would you ban a dehactivated account, its already unabe to acess the site.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 02, 2014, 05:16:04 pm
ah, did not notice it was already unactive. then just email teh originla email if available (logs?)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on March 02, 2014, 05:16:14 pm
Made some things just because. Use them if you wish. (http://i.imgur.com/9eF3INO.png) (http://i.imgur.com/MreDh8n.png) (http://i.imgur.com/uup6t2a.png)
:2thumbsup:
Perhaps the trophies could be CotY/SotY icons?? I really like those.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 02, 2014, 05:18:39 pm
why would someone hack the account of a nobody to post shit, wouldn't it be easier to just get an account
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 02, 2014, 05:21:56 pm
i still find it really unlikely. here's a trophy icon that matches the star size and style. recolor it or whatever. (http://i.imgur.com/Ac25Qhb.png)
And that is cool.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 02, 2014, 05:33:28 pm
that's why i said hacking the account of a nobody seems like a waste of time
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 02, 2014, 05:47:47 pm
Looks like he's back
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 02, 2014, 05:49:40 pm
Quote
(http://i.imgur.com/Ac25Qhb.png)
Idk, the solid trophy is easier to read and isn't as eye straining. Maybe it's just the bright color.
Btw, just lay the hammer on the account; not losing anything of high value.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 02, 2014, 05:50:09 pm
Well. That happened. EDIT: Seems he made another account (http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/dinky21-83763) to keep going. I just gave it a three days ban because I'm really not in the mood to deal with this kind of shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 02, 2014, 05:59:18 pm
also how the fuck are "easier to read" and "eye straining" factors in a thing that you look at for a second at best
It's the same thing you said about the names some time ago (although the names being easily visible is more important than stars and trophies).
I see where your coming from though. I still think the colors shouldn't be too bright.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 02, 2014, 06:41:40 pm
(http://mugenguild.com/forum/Themes/mfg/images/stars/star_big_purple.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/pMILi6N.png)(http://mugenguild.com/forum/Themes/mfg/images/stars/star_big_orange.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/Ac25Qhb.png)(http://mugenguild.com/forum/Themes/mfg/images/stars/star_big_gold.gif) i don't really see how it's particularly hard to read or identify
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 02, 2014, 06:42:36 pm
IMO the trophies should be downsized just a tad to fit more with the stars. It looks kinda funny atm.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 02, 2014, 06:51:45 pm
Oddly, they are the same size. It won't look as bad when aligned next to the stars.
(http://mugenguild.com/forum/Themes/mfg/images/stars/star_big_purple.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/pMILi6N.png)(http://mugenguild.com/forum/Themes/mfg/images/stars/star_big_orange.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/Ac25Qhb.png)(http://mugenguild.com/forum/Themes/mfg/images/stars/star_big_gold.gif) i don't really see how it's particularly hard to read or identify
A yellow trophy would look a bit off, but that color won't be used anyway. Yeah, it's fine. Guess the bronze color looked odd at first glance
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 02, 2014, 07:17:31 pm
The top point of the star is much thinner than the top half of the trophy, obviously the trophy looks much more massive than the star because of it. It would actually look the same size only if you put the trophy upside-down (because the base is thinner), but evidently that's not an option, so the alternative is making the trophy a little smaller.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 02, 2014, 07:28:06 pm
They're both 16x16, but trophy does certainly takes up much more volume on the top. It doesn't look that bad imo (maybe a pixel or two could be removed from the cup of the trophy).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 02, 2014, 07:29:14 pm
If they're to the left of the regular stars it looks a lot better than just being mashed together along with the stars. That'd require re-ordering peoples' stars though.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on March 02, 2014, 07:51:11 pm
Let's use those
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 02, 2014, 07:55:25 pm
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Víctorys on March 02, 2014, 08:20:11 pm
I made a few random colors, don't know if any would work (http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/2_zps53069e2c.png)(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/3_zps2279fdb3.png)(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/4_zps877800e6.png) (http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/5_zps0108f570.png)(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/6_zpsfda5bb39.png)(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/7_zpsa086c77f.png) (http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/8_zps7d63716d.png) (http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/9_zpscf6b1016.png)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on March 02, 2014, 10:06:24 pm
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 03, 2014, 02:13:00 am
Moved the threads from Stage of the Month to Character of the Month board. Deleted SotM board. What should we rename the board? Awards?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Tyrant Belial on March 03, 2014, 02:14:42 am
Awards of the Month maybe? I mean, it's straight to the point.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 03, 2014, 02:17:35 am
Awards.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 03, 2014, 02:20:15 am
Contribution of the Month
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 03, 2014, 02:39:50 am
Iced mind control facilities.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 03, 2014, 02:41:05 am
If we have contribution of the month make it the rainbow star
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 03, 2014, 02:51:56 am
The board is Contribution of the Month, and the awards are Character and Stage otM.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 03, 2014, 03:41:27 am
Contribution of the month sounds good.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 03, 2014, 03:59:30 am
two awards are given monthly so it should be contributions
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 03, 2014, 04:10:05 am
Contributions of the Months and the Years!!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 03, 2014, 04:11:08 am
Contribution Awards
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 03, 2014, 04:17:09 am
I just named it 2 mods one can. Aka JMorphMan and saikoro award each other.
Oh neat, my phone now autocorrects JMorphMan's name correctly. He's infected my damn phone! >:-(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 03, 2014, 04:50:53 am
Alright let's go back to trophy stars.
We're probably gonna use the orange star for contests, so let's make the CotM star the green one because the old CotM star was green. (http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/3_zps2279fdb3.png)
Blue is color of the current CotY star, so let's go with that. Maybe recolor it slightly to make it look less like the gmod star, or maybe that's not important? I dunno! (http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/2_zps53069e2c.png)
I dunno about the rest, these seemed like the most distinctive ones left; there's stage of the month now so it should get one and we might possibly be doing screenpack of the year (http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/7_zpsa086c77f.png) (http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/5_zps0108f570.png) (http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/Victorys1996/9_zpscf6b1016.png)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 03, 2014, 05:11:03 am
SotM should be pink because I like that color.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on March 03, 2014, 06:41:41 am
I'll just leave this here. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1923480)
So glad i'm no longer a mod.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 06, 2014, 05:30:59 am
And I still don´t see the reason to unbanning him... or it was her?? Can´t remember. Would be too much of a hassle asking for a link with that discussion??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 06, 2014, 05:32:04 am
The discussion to unban him was private.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 06, 2014, 05:35:50 am
Same here (especially since I only know of Navana by past history). Unbanning the exiled... hopefully the time was spent on self-reflection.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 06, 2014, 05:38:01 am
Basically it came down to the fact that it has been 2 years and if he does something similar to what he'd done to get banned previously then he'll get banned again for 3 years. It came down to a vote. 1 staff member more voted to allow him back than keep him banned.
He asked via email so it had to remain private. (In before "no shit he had to ask by email he was banned")
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 06, 2014, 05:42:50 am
So he asked via e-mail for an opportunity?? mmm this is still a bad idea and a really volatile test, different to Maverik who keeped a low profile via fofai for a while, staying calm (thought still the same case). I hope this doesn´t turn into a backfire.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 06, 2014, 05:43:45 am
It wouldn't be a very long backfire if it does.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 06, 2014, 05:45:11 am
More of a backfire is the idea of unbanning a volatile member just to ban him again. At least he asked politely so I´m gonna just zip it from here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 06, 2014, 05:47:30 am
i dont get how that is more of a backfire
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on March 06, 2014, 05:59:08 am
I've a bad feeling about this... seriously...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 06, 2014, 06:17:35 am
i guess it's a bad precedent because permabanned users can get unbanned if they ask nicely, but it already happened with maverik. and that turned out ok. worst case scenario navana posts dumb shit and gets banned again. no big deal. i just don't understand why, considering all the chances and all the effort staff wasted trying to educate him. oh well
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 06, 2014, 10:45:04 am
I think the main difference between Maverick and Navana is that Maverick was unbanned once, and only given that one chance.
Navana has already been unbanned once, and then re-banned. Really unlikely anything will change.
Unban SBZ or some other moron, atleast those are amusing to make fun of!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 06, 2014, 10:48:01 am
#UnbanKFM
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Watta on March 06, 2014, 10:53:15 am
Last time it went to vote it was pretty much a fullcount no( it wasnt that long ago ) , although i think motvn ban should be lifted.
Ash is a far better person nowadays. I met him back when he was KFM and he was kinda rude and I disliked how he behaved like. That was a freaking long time ago though. Nowadays he's a totally different person. Even I am able to talk to him whenever he drops into a chat I'm present and not once I thought of him as an aggressive person and I see absolutely nothing wrong with him (He even acknowledges how shitty his behavior was back then).
The point is, you guys gave him several chances long time ago in a certain time span when he was... well, like that, when he was just KFM. Maybe it took him longer to change than JZ and me but if he's actually a totally functional person to have around nowadays then why not lift the ban?
Most of you were kinda cruel back then so why are you so surprised at what he did in the past? Jesus Christ, one of you (I don't want to say WHO because I'm not 100% sure but IIRC it was somebody who was a mod and is now a normal user here) even created a thread about me, quoting many of my engrish posts (SPAM) when I was a forum newbie and even opened a poll in the same thread asking what to do with me (Banning, muting, warning, etc.) which was closed by another moderator because it was obvious that people who didn't know about me back then would've voted for the "ban" option because it's the funny thing to do.
I wouldn't call Ash a "friend" or anything yet I would like to see him unbanned anyway after so many years. Is not like he's still the same immature brat from back then who wanted to control the entire mugen community.
Sorry to bring this up while there are other 30 conversations happening at the same time but yeah... is not like most of the staff talks to him (Understandable) or even knows him to begin with.
Can I honestly ask you to bring that up again later on in the feedback thread or something of that effect? This is realyl not the best spot to be giving that the proper attention you deserve. Im sorry.
Took me a month but I finally brought it back :wacky:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bea on March 06, 2014, 11:31:43 am
I am sorry, but this is an extremely poor decision and shows that the staff is biased and partial. Ash remains banned, but Navana, who caused as much trouble is now given yet another chance?
Be consistent, bloody heck.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 06, 2014, 11:38:32 am
... how the hell has Navana caused just as much trouble? Cause I sure don't remember him deleting the entire forum.
Maverik was far worse than Navana, and he's now unbanned, and that all worked well. It remains to be seen whether the same will be true for Navana, and he's on a very tight leash. And none of what he did before was particularly devastating to the forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on March 06, 2014, 11:45:49 am
He used pink comic sans!
HE'S A GOD DAMN MURDERER
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 06, 2014, 12:00:14 pm
Cause I sure don't remember him deleting the entire forum.
Then again I don't remember him having admin access to the database either. What do you think would have happened if he had been an admin ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 06, 2014, 12:02:10 pm
Tis but one example of many. There's plenty to choose from when he wasn't able to do that. All worse than Navana's antics.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on March 06, 2014, 12:02:42 pm
I think the bigger question is "who the fuck cares?" Granted I don't talk to Ash on a regular basis, but I wasn't even aware that he was still even interested in the engine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on March 06, 2014, 12:17:05 pm
There's a lot of people among us who don't really care about the engine yet come to this site anyway. Including mods and admins.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 06, 2014, 12:18:34 pm
You'll eventually finish that KOF fullgame whether you like it or not. >:[
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on March 06, 2014, 12:19:43 pm
You'll eventually finish that KOF fullgame whether you like it or not. >:[
He is still working on that project? It feels like it has been forever since I have seen anything on it. Last time I saw it, he was working on Vanessa.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on March 06, 2014, 12:22:06 pm
You'll eventually finish that KOF fullgame whether you like it or not. >:[
I've been working on a mugen project I'm getting paid for in the last months, which uses KOF: NC as a base for its coding. I am not a good example for "people who retired from mugen"... yet :V
So it's on hold until I finish the current job, then I'll resume the work on KOF, but hey! At least people around here will finally get a (Complete) fullgame with original characters once I finish this commission! That's not something that happens too often in this forum :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 06, 2014, 12:33:37 pm
Basically it came down to the fact that it has been 2 years and if he does something similar to what he'd done to get banned previously then he'll get banned again for 3 years. It came down to a vote. 1 staff member more voted to allow him back than keep him banned.
He asked via email so it had to remain private. (In before "no shit he had to ask by email he was banned")
Uh, it hasn't been two years.
It's been a year and three months.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 06, 2014, 02:31:56 pm
Ash remains banned, but Navana, who caused as much trouble is now given yet another chance?
Be consistent, bloody heck.
navana: lied about his pictures, his alt accounts, was an attention whore in general, threw away all the extra chances he got, generally wasted everyone's time kfm: deleted this forum, almost killed the community with the oh no my creators rights horseshit he pushed for years
you are being fucking ridiculous
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 06, 2014, 02:44:41 pm
oh no if we unban kaffum he'll delete this forum AGAIN
PANIC PANIC PANIC
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bea on March 06, 2014, 02:46:53 pm
No, I am not. They are being inconsistent as heck. I don't care that Ash remains banned, but Navana had burned his chances long ago and should remain banned as well. Maverick stealths in and is granted another chance as well. Jesuszilla shows up and a rule is created to prevent a behaviour of his from years ago.
These actions show that the staff is being biased with their decisions and only give ammo for their critics. This is and will remain a very poor decision that might trigger another round of forum drama like the one we had weeks ago. I stood by Iced and the staff on that one, but this time they're in the wrong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on March 06, 2014, 02:52:18 pm
I'm walking on a strict line here in saying anything, but I just want to say that yes, there has been plenty of mistakes and issues created by me in the past.
I own up to them and admit they were wrong. I won't say much more other then I'm here to continue to do what I like, and that's MUGEN and social activity.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nomechy on March 06, 2014, 02:53:44 pm
Can I still call him a cunt?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on March 06, 2014, 02:54:55 pm
One thing is sure. If i ever get banned again, i will just make a new account a few days later, keep a low profile for 2-3 months and after that, unleash the terrible truth in the forums that i was always here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on March 06, 2014, 02:56:57 pm
i will murder one of the mods brag about it then get permabanned then I'll wait a month or so then half heartedly apologize to one of the admins and get welcomed back like nothing ever happened
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 06, 2014, 02:58:37 pm
I'll just leave this here. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1923480)
So glad i'm no longer a mod.
There was a voting and it won by one.
I should point out that i dont agree with this unbanning at all , but i cant refute it either because of votes.
Navana was a huge asshole banned not even a year ago after being given a chance by rajaa himself to come back. I didnt agree then, I dont agree now. unlike maverik navana has always been a fony asshole that always lied to get whatever he wanted at the time, and I wont trust anything from him until far far more is given.
It doesnt help that he sent those emails claiming to have changed ( after a year, great change ) to jnp and val, but not to me because he already knew I was around last time he was trying to publicize anti mugenguild.
Navana attitude was one that i dont consider excusable, but as always, I took it to votes and the votes won him a chance. Posted: March 06, 2014, 03:03:26 pm
i will murder one of the mods brag about it then get permabanned then I'll wait a month or so then half heartedly apologize to one of the admins and get welcomed back like nothing ever happened
One thing is sure. If i ever get banned again, i will just make a new account a few days later, keep a low profile for 2-3 months and after that, unleash the terrible truth in the forums that i was always here.
Here's the thing. We don't care who is posting here as what account. As long as they are not being disruptive no one cares! Get banned and come right back with an alt account acting as you should and the moderation was a success.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 06, 2014, 03:16:58 pm
i still dont know who this guy is or why i shouold care because i forgot to read the links the staff told me to read. go me
...but you voted. You really shouldnt have voted on something you didnt care to read up on.
Please take votings seriously.
Im going to pull a caddie and be really obnoxious about all of this if it goes wrong like i said it would. ---
Also, Kafuhm last interaction was about 2 years ago, when RS got deleted but then turned out to be all hosted by bea and it was a ploy to bargain for a unban, when that come to light kfm told me he never wanted to be unbanned anyway.
Weeks later he had another moment of "I was manipulating all of you!!" at which point I simply deleted him from my contacts, this was about a year and a half ago, someone going from 13 to 20 i can believe having changed, someone going from 20 to 25, sure they might have changed. Someone that did all he did over the time and whose last notes were all about trying to trick people, ehhh.. im not convinced.
Mind, im not convinced about nav either. I am very convinced about maverik, he never fooled people or tried to trick others, im happily surprised with how he shifted.
Other people who i think have become increasingly better with time, tetsuo9, gbk, a lot of the newer kids, even Duckss.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 06, 2014, 03:25:16 pm
...but you voted. You really shouldnt have voted on something you didnt care to read up on.
Please take votings seriously.
DID HE VOTE YES OR NO RECOUUUUUUNT
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 06, 2014, 03:26:00 pm
iced bush doesn't care about mugen people
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 06, 2014, 03:26:55 pm
well, let me explain then. the reasoning behind me not reading that stuff was because i just went off what you guys said, which led me to believe it was not worth reading up on such an issue. "he acted like a shithead and got banned" is all you need to know. people assign too much significance to past actions here. i voted based on email and summation of the topics, otherwise i dont know who this is or need to care who this is. hes just a member. im not spending valuable time reading old drama and watching members wave their dicks around at eachother to help sway my decision.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Thedge on March 06, 2014, 03:31:00 pm
With all respect, that's a terrible way to mod people IMO.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 06, 2014, 03:32:11 pm
I disagree, a terrible way to mod people is to let other people's year old opinions sway your opinion. Moderating should be done from a completely neutral standpoint as possible on the actions alone. At least for me as a new mod, I'm not qualified to make judgement on people I don't know based on what other people say.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 06, 2014, 03:33:50 pm
What he's saying goes together with what JNP said, basically if he doesn't shitpost again he doesn't get banned and the moderation was a success, if he does it again he gets banned again. What he did in the past is irrelevant --- unless you're pretty sure he'll do it again. Not that the same applies to KFM. Because he deleted the forum like, what, 5 or 8 years ago or something. He might do the same if he's unbanned, you know.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 06, 2014, 03:37:05 pm
What he's saying goes together with what JNP said, basically if he doesn't shitpost again he doesn't get banned and the moderation was a success, if he does it again he gets banned again. What he did in the past is irrelevant --- unless you're pretty sure he'll do it again. Not that the same applies to KFM. Because he deleted the forum like, what, 5 or 8 years ago or something. He might do the same if he's unbanned, you know.
i like the way this guy thinks, plus he can actually explain himself, replace me with him immediately
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 06, 2014, 03:41:07 pm
The forum deletion is no where near as bad as almost destroying the community. And on top of that Ash hasn't sent a "I promise I have changed" email either.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ExShadow on March 06, 2014, 03:44:11 pm
Welcome back to the forum Navana, enjoy your stay.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 06, 2014, 03:48:08 pm
And on top of that Ash hasn't sent a "I promise I have changed" email either.
No, but a "third party" person has made that exact comment, which IMO holds more ground than he himself making that claim. Someone else saying "yeah, he changed" is much more believable than he himself saying "I promise I changed".
The forum deletion is no where near as bad as almost destroying the community.
Yeah, yeah, the "destroying the community" part is a matter of opinions, not a fact. It's just an opinion shared by most people in the staff here, doesn't make it a fact.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 06, 2014, 04:06:37 pm
You're right. In my opinion promoting the usage of scare tactics like malware and trying to actually take websites offline for "creator rights" is a bad thing. Let's now talk about the ethics of society as a whole. Because in it it's pretty frowned upon to try and hate and belittle.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 06, 2014, 04:13:16 pm
Wasn't the malware thing an unwanted side-effect out of the control of the site it happened on ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 06, 2014, 04:18:09 pm
I hardly think a list of "all the bad things ash made"tm is going to change the mind of anyone that doesnt like him or anyone that already is his friend.
To both byakko and jnp, i dont think this is a useful use of both your times. specially considering the last messages we have are him saying he doesnt want to be unbanned following the various bouts and attempts of manipulation. Considering this, I dont think its worth to be shitting on the guy when he isnt even around.
While I dont like navana and im biased against him, I dont think its fair to compare him to kfm and his cult thing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on March 06, 2014, 04:31:17 pm
I disagree, a terrible way to mod people is to let other people's year old opinions sway your opinion. Moderating should be done from a completely neutral standpoint as possible on the actions alone. At least for me as a new mod, I'm not qualified to make judgement on people I don't know based on what other people say.
Marry me, have my babies!
I voted to let Navana back because I think people do change and gain maturity. I dont have a problem with allowing anyone back after a year if they have been a contributing member of the community in the past and say they have changed and want to come back. If they go back to the nonsense that got them banned to begin with, they get banned again. I don't believe in permabans (unless the owner wants someone gone for good, porn spammers, etc) and I think a year is long enough for anyone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 06, 2014, 05:01:00 pm
I disagree, a terrible way to mod people is to let other people's year old opinions sway your opinion. Moderating should be done from a completely neutral standpoint as possible on the actions alone. At least for me as a new mod, I'm not qualified to make judgement on people I don't know based on what other people say.
And yet you voted anyway, apparently?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 07, 2014, 12:58:08 am
taking me out of context i see, the previous post already explained i made my judgement based on his email and summation of why he got banned. im not voting based on what people think of him. sorry.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on March 07, 2014, 01:10:26 am
WELL! I've never liked people who vote for banned users to get unbanned without even reading their posts first but you don't see me complaining about that! :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 07, 2014, 01:11:48 am
jesus, who crapped in your cereal today?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on March 07, 2014, 01:19:31 am
It's just something you are going to have to honestly understand. They have a reason to respond the way they do; there isn't any reason to really fight back. Although, I agree the past is the past.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 07, 2014, 01:21:02 am
YOU DID WHEN YOU UNBANN*incoherent muffled sounds*
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 07, 2014, 01:25:34 am
Okay, Iced gave me the idea i should really clean up misconceptions about my post
I was joking about not knowing who he was but its true I didnt read the posts. That is because I read his email, and read the other staff's summaries of what went down. I saw no reason to read his posts when I knew the situation because a lot of those threads are boring shit drama threads full of bias and stuff. I was just trying to be funny but I realize I should've taken it seriously and I wasnt really being funny at all. I voted how I wanted to and stand by my vote. I'm sorry for making light of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 07, 2014, 01:27:32 am
WELL! I've never liked people who vote for banned users to get unbanned without even reading their posts first but you don't see me complaining about that! :)
but you just did...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 07, 2014, 01:32:30 am
fyi i split the posts to feedback cause this where they belong
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on March 07, 2014, 01:53:35 am
That email was some cringeworthy shit. Good reason to vote against unbanning Navana (As I did!). I wouldn't trust him any more if he had a 'civil and functional' second account for 6 months, and I won't trust him if his unbanned account survives 6 months. He isn't Maverik.
Maverik was a hotshot. Hotshots can't hide their true selves, otherwise it wouln't be a defect. When they cool down you know it's for real.
Liars are a different story. You can never trust them. You can never know if they've changed or if they're the same ol' snake in a new skin.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ExShadow on March 07, 2014, 02:04:15 am
While we are on the topic of ban lifting, I'd like to ask the admins a serious question. Would you be willing to lift the ban on HankVenture?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 07, 2014, 02:06:54 am
At this point they may even unban KaoMinerva...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2014, 02:07:20 am
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ExShadow on March 07, 2014, 02:08:07 am
Well that answers my question :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2014, 02:13:01 am
im asking if thats the guy? I searched his name in the search engine and come up with a tempest post about hankventure making that sig in reply to people reporting his bad posts.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 07, 2014, 02:14:21 am
im asking if thats the guy? I searched his name in the search engine and come up with a tempest post about hankventure making that sig in reply to people reporting his bad posts.
Yeah, that's him. I'm positive he'd remove that sig now though
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 07, 2014, 02:15:03 am
im asking if thats the guy? I searched his name in the search engine and come up with a tempest post about hankventure making that sig in reply to people reporting his bad posts.
It's the same guy. I don't see why his ban couldn't be lifted, but at the same time is it worth unbanning someone who's stated multiple times he will never return to or care about mugen?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on March 07, 2014, 02:17:10 am
WELL! I've never liked people who vote for banned users to get unbanned without even reading their posts first but you don't see me complaining about that! :)
im asking if thats the guy? I searched his name in the search engine and come up with a tempest post about hankventure making that sig in reply to people reporting his bad posts.
It's the same guy. I don't see why his ban couldn't be lifted, but at the same time is it worth unbanning someone who's stated multiple times he will never return to or care about mugen?
If he left and he isnt returning i dont see a point even discussing this =|
I think motvn has been banned longer than him, he was banned by vans back then .
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: SeanMackgewer on March 07, 2014, 02:20:23 am
Weird. I never would have expected you to come off as this hateful nor dramatic Iced, but you sound like it in Navana's case. Realistically speaking, you guys can simply ban him again at virtually the bat of a lash so there's no point in the fuss. I'm not insulting you; I respect you a lot and that's absolutely real.
Umezono! What an excellent choice of a moderator! Incredibly pragmatic and realistic.
I don't think actions from like 7 years ago constitute anything significant to today's discussions and no one has displayed any Orochi-K_F_M-like behaviour since then so I'm inclined to believe that he gave up his elitism and realized somewhere within that time that it was useless. I wouldn't doubt that he has other account here. I'd vote for his unbanning.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GLB on March 07, 2014, 02:20:41 am
Neither of them are returning. @ Iced.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2014, 02:24:57 am
Weird. I never would have expected you to come off as this hateful nor dramatic Iced, but you sound like it in Navana's case. Realistically speaking, you guys can simply ban him again at virtually the bat of a lash so there's no point in the fuss. I'm not insulting you; I respect you a lot and that's absolutely real.
Umezono! What an excellent choice of a moderator! Incredibly pragmatic and realistic.
I don't think actions from like 7 years ago constitute anything significant to today's discussions and no one has displayed any Orochi-K_F_M-like behaviour since then so I'm inclined to believe that he gave up his elitism and realized somewhere within that time that it was useless. I wouldn't doubt that he has other account here. I'd vote for his unbanning.
I am utterly confused about whom you are talking about, if navana, kfm, or orochi kfm whoever that is.
Navana last interaction with the site, when rebanned was a year ago, kfm last interaction with the site was a year and a half ago, which leads me to the second part ( besides the whole i dont know who orochi kfm is ) where are you pulling seven years from?
@glb. Alright man, thanks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: SeanMackgewer on March 07, 2014, 02:33:49 am
I am utterly confused about whom you are talking about, if navana, kfm, or orochi kfm whoever that is.
I wrote that lazily - half of my keys are sticking. I'm talking about Navana in the first paragraph and K_F_M in the third. I actually edited the post to make that more clear. Was KFM rebanned a year and a half ago? I didn't realize he had come back nor that he (potentially) caused problems so recently. If he had, that essentially voids my argument because I thought you were citing the hell-hole he made the forum eons ago. My fault for not being thoroughly informed. I still think the Navana issue is minor, though.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2014, 02:37:18 am
he was rebanned about 2 years and a half ago, and tried to come back 2 years ago upon the time of RS closing, the last interaction was a year and a half ago.
He was never banned for the hell hole of seven years ago, no one was even if many "left" . After the forum shift we tried to cohexist with everyone as possible. I could go over those, but if you are interested i find its more informative to just check out the public staff thread, there is a whole thread about dealing with him there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: SeanMackgewer on March 07, 2014, 02:41:12 am
I saw that you mentioned the RS closing thing in this thread - I didn't realize that that was only 2 years ago.
I'll start rereading the dealing with K_F_M issues right now-- I haven't thought about him for years.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on March 07, 2014, 02:41:38 am
Unrelated to the topic at hand, but I read this post in Harlan Ellison's voice in I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw-88h-LcTk), at it fits very, VERY well. I even read the bold part the way he shouts the characters' names in the intro. It was wonderful.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: SeanMackgewer on March 07, 2014, 04:47:54 am
he was rebanned about 2 years and a half ago, and tried to come back 2 years ago upon the time of RS closing, the last interaction was a year and a half ago. He was never banned for the hell hole of seven years ago, no one was even if many "left" . After the forum shift we tried to cohexist with everyone as possible. I could go over those, but if you are interested i find its more informative to just check out the public staff thread, there is a whole thread about dealing with him there.
You know, I think that in retrospect you'd consider KFM's actions laughable, literally laughable, and might even see your reaction at the time as a bit histrionic. I'm of the opinion that they didn't do anything THAT bad and was pretty upset over the repeated use of the word "virus" when it wasn't one, but a ban was warranted and your point about children on the forum was valid. And I know K_F_M wasn't banned specifically because of his past (grandiose) conduct, but that coupled with his complaints and disrespect of the forum and his muted calls to return to those dark ages certainly played a role in the ban and rightly so.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 07, 2014, 08:50:17 am
I banned him for that. That was 100% me. And it was the final straw. People were getting malware from the link. Whether on purpose or by accident, doesn't matter, it was there. KFM was defending this at the time as if it was OK. It wasn't, that got him banned. I took every bit of responsibility for that and went through the discussion with him.
Since then, he hasn't had anything to do with the whole code theft side of things. He's barely into the engine at all. You talking about him is kinda dumb. But saying you shouldn't unban someone for being, lets be honest, far LESS annoying than some of the people you have allowed back, is kinda lame We've both chatted as friends and i hold nothing against him for what he did back then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Balthazar on March 07, 2014, 10:26:23 am
Um can Nevada be banned again? I don't like looking at his mug the whole time! This place isn't Facebook, you know...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 07, 2014, 10:27:14 am
Sure, you just gonna tell who´s this Nevada guy...
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
I sense something in the horizon...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Navana on March 07, 2014, 10:29:01 am
I banned him for that. That was 100% me. And it was the final straw. People were getting malware from the link. Whether on purpose or by accident, doesn't matter, it was there. KFM was defending this at the time as if it was OK. It wasn't, that got him banned. I took every bit of responsibility for that and went through the discussion with him.
That wasnt actually the final straw. You are misremembering it. He was banned ( yes by you) for a few months, come back and went back to the cult thing. He was only permabanned far later. Its easy to misremember considering there were so many petitions to unban him continuously. One of them was still with sepp and had kfm himself vote in it to not be unbanned.
Lol nevada. wasnt that the name of some old meme about a japanese girl killer.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on March 07, 2014, 11:38:51 am
I permanently banned him for that. I know i did because it was such bullshit. He may have come back later but it was from an unbanning, (or a reset or something) I don't remember anything he did after that as i'd given up on modding anywhere else in the forum.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2014, 11:53:45 am
I guess he was given another chance that I didnt remember.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on March 07, 2014, 12:37:30 pm
Lol nevada. wasnt that the name of some old meme about a japanese girl killer.
She was a Japanese girl that killed another Japanese girl. The way you put it, it sounds like a dude that was going around killing Japanese girls, which is super creepy and would make a GREAT psychological thriller story.
Also I don't see the big deal with Navada posting his pics in the "Post Your Own Picture" thread, since, well, that's the thread for it, and while the whole cam-whore thing is getting old and boring, that thread has a few other prominent members who've posted provocative pics before and nothing's happened to them.
Y'all need to calm the fuck down.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2014, 12:41:20 pm
but that lead to people posing around in nevada sweatshirts with knives, cosplayers, fanfiction, a bunch of stuff, all spreading from the "nevada" story. It was a meme before memes were known as memes
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: SeanMackgewer on March 07, 2014, 12:55:04 pm
I banned him for that. That was 100% me. And it was the final straw. People were getting malware from the link. Whether on purpose or by accident, doesn't matter, it was there. KFM was defending this at the time as if it was OK. It wasn't, that got him banned. I took every bit of responsibility for that and went through the discussion with him.
I know you banned him. I'm commenting on Iced posts which came off as angry while speaking to K_F_M and while reviewing the matter -- those are what I'm calling a bit histrionic. And malware? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Google describes malware as "software that is intended to damage or disable computers and computer systems." If I'm correct that link was simply to a temporary browser scrambler which had no real effect on one's computer unless something more happened. Secondly, what was that I read about the link staying up?
You talking about him is kinda dumb. But saying you shouldn't unban someone for being, lets be honest, far LESS annoying than some of the people you have allowed back, is kinda lame We've both chatted as friends and i hold nothing against him for what he did back then.
It is dumb, but I'm curious about KFM... And I'm not sure if the rest of that paragraph is directed at me because I don't support permabans unless actual hacking or actual virus transmittal is involved.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 07, 2014, 12:58:04 pm
Why are you replying to cyanide talking with me as if he was talking with you? Why are you even asking for justifications on things we done years ago. We dont have to justify them, nobody cares if you think they were histrionics or whatever. It doesnt cfhange what we did or what happened.
Why would you want a justification for what cyanide did then?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: SeanMackgewer on March 07, 2014, 01:00:51 pm
I wasn't sure who Cyanide was referring to, actually. I said that in the second part of my post.
You're right. It's over and done with. I'll withdraw.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 07, 2014, 01:56:38 pm
Um can Nevada be banned again? I don't like looking at his mug the whole time! This place isn't Facebook, you know...
why would anyone take this post seriously
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on March 07, 2014, 03:07:56 pm
I must say I'm against Navana's comeback, but if he really changed and don't make any problems again, then no problem about his return by my side
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on March 07, 2014, 04:24:57 pm
+1 what Basara mentioned and what Personman just wrote in the decisions thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on March 07, 2014, 04:36:25 pm
He won't change, He'll never change. No exceptions. I wouldn't even give it a week for him to screw up again.
Give it a few hours and he'll end up writing another tl;dr "apology" post which will just be full of lies.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 07, 2014, 04:41:32 pm
Recent revelations show that we're already off to a bad start now aren't we?
I presume he did it because it worked for Maverik, but those circumstances were different. Besides, the Judgement Day account was only active for a week (Mav's stealth account was active much longer); why wouldn't Navana just wait a week and then lobby for a return?
I still don't particularly care about the decision itself, but it's obviously not a good look.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 07, 2014, 04:48:12 pm
he obviously had that account as a backup in case his request to be unbanned failed. he is being dishonest again. ban
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 07, 2014, 04:50:23 pm
I can't even...
That. What they said.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on March 07, 2014, 04:58:38 pm
So much for that, eh?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ricepigeon on March 07, 2014, 05:51:13 pm
Iirc, he also did the exact same thing almost a year ago over at MFFA before he got banned for his "im good at sucking dicks" PMs and deceiving Ryon into teaching him mugen coding when he already knew how.
To be frank, the whole Judgement Day/Daiyousei account was the exact same thing: another method of gathering attention to himself. He hasn't changed as far as I'm concerned.
That being said, he's already on thin ice as is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on March 07, 2014, 06:02:35 pm
Wasn't Peter H who made that Anti-MFG forum and Navana the one making a fake new Mugen Infantry forum that no one other than him knew about, lying to everyone that he wasn't the one who ran the forum and then changing his name, to confirm that he was indeed the forum owner? I'm just trying to remember everything in order.
Actually I don't know what to say on this... but I would wait until he does something wrong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 07, 2014, 06:57:34 pm
Anti-MFG was indeed Peterfoster
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 07, 2014, 06:59:07 pm
I am with missB on this one, just let him screw up again if you want to ban him, there is precedent on using a secondary account to slip bans in maverik.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on March 07, 2014, 07:03:15 pm
I am with missB on this one, just let him screw up again if you want to ban him, there is precedent on using a secondary account to slip bans in maverik.
I agree with this, too
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on March 07, 2014, 08:28:59 pm
Yeah it was a fake MUGEN Infantry forum after MI went down for a while.
last time I checked that place had like 2 to 3 posts
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 07, 2014, 08:52:50 pm
Reading JNP's recent post (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1924388) is pretty much how I feel about it.
It's obviously okay to not trust Navana, I don't either (and I'm not going to argue with anyone who feels he should be removed). While the intent behind what happened is definitely questionable, I don't feel that the act itself (and the posts that went with it) were egregious enough to warrant affirmative action (personal biases notwithstanding). Yes alt accounting is bad in general, but considering recent scenarios involving alt accounts, punishing this one in particular would be somewhat inconsistent.
On a slightly lighter note, the fact that the alt account was called "Judgment Day" doesn't sound very encouraging. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 07, 2014, 09:14:09 pm
I want to note I do not trust him or think he has actually changed. My decision was based on the gravity of the things he had done and the benefit of the doubt. Permanent bans are really serious and sometimes I think we don't give them the proper thought that they need. I think some of the other mods feel this way too and it's why he made it back.
Letting me know he had the alt account may be the 1st and last truthful thing he's actually done or will do. We need to wait and see
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on March 07, 2014, 09:17:22 pm
Letting me know he had the alt account may be the 1st and last truthful thing he's actually done.
Let's hope he stays this way.
I quickly skimmed through replies pertaining to this and there's a lot of 50/50. Some say he should stay. Some say he should go. I say (and have already said so before) give him a shot. If he slips up, we ban him. Simple as that. While not everyone is going to agree with this, I feel that is the best way to go.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on March 07, 2014, 09:20:06 pm
Sai, We've given the fucker a few chances beforehand, He hasn't changed from when he was first banned and he hasn't changed coming back from his third.
Why are we even being nice to him? He's just back to his old games again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 07, 2014, 09:59:40 pm
So Navana was Judgment Day... damn, that was fast, lol. Whatever, is whatever this staff decides.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on March 07, 2014, 11:57:02 pm
Sai, We've given the fucker a few chances beforehand, He hasn't changed from when he was first banned and he hasn't changed coming back from his third.
Why are we even being nice to him? He's just back to his old games again.
Well, we did agree on saying if he fucks up again, even in the slightest, he's banned again without warning. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 08, 2014, 03:07:43 pm
But he did fuck up, with the alt account.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 08, 2014, 04:16:54 pm
that was before the unban, tho.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: SeanMackgewer on March 08, 2014, 07:28:02 pm
Indeed maximilianjenus. And even so, I fail to see why alt accounts are so bad especially in Navana's case because he barely did anything harmful with it.
I do remember something about him lying, but even that was such a small deal that I was dumbfounded by the drama it caused. As a matter of fact, Navana's particular brand of "attention-whoring" isn't even that bad. It could have been so much worse.
Oh and thanks to JNP for really evaluating this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on March 08, 2014, 07:38:43 pm
Indeed maximilianjenus. And even so, I fail to see why alt accounts are so bad especially in Navana's case because he barely did anything harmful with it.
Why have two accounts in the first place? If you're banned for being annoying, making a second account to avoid your ban is a really bad offense, That's why it could be considered harmful.
See RobotMonkeyHead, He constantly made Alt accounts after being banned on his main to annoy members and staff.
As a matter of fact, Navana's particular brand of "attention-whoring" isn't even that bad. It could have been so much worse.
Ignoring posts, Constantly posting pictures filtered on Photobucket's photo editing tool & not to forget awkward and cringe-worthy male cleavage. I'm pretty sure that's some sort of attention whoring right there.
I do remember something about him lying, but even that was such a small deal that I was dumbfounded by the drama it caused.
You signed up 21 days ago, How do you infact know of things that happened two years ago?
Eitherway, He lied about his gender to people. He was posting pictures of his "friend" in his place to get people to like him because he was pretending to be a "hawt girl"
Even after his long ass apology post to the forum he continued doing things he shouldn't of, It was a real eyesore to witness.
Navana is and will always be a bad seed of some kind.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 08, 2014, 07:42:15 pm
Constantly posting pictures filtered on Photobucket's photo editing tool & not to forget awkward and cringe-worthy male cleavage. I'm pretty sure that's some sort of attention whoring right there.
Oh no, how dare he experiment with visual filters in pictures of himself that he posted in the appropriate thread. Jesus christ are those pictures really such a big deal. They're not. Get over it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 08, 2014, 07:51:04 pm
He hasn't really harmed anyone so far. Wait until he actually slips up first.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: SeanMackgewer on March 08, 2014, 07:53:56 pm
Indeed maximilianjenus. And even so, I fail to see why alt accounts are so bad especially in Navana's case because he barely did anything harmful with it.
Why have two accounts in the first place? If you're banned for being annoying, making a second account to avoid your ban is a really bad offense, That's why it could be considered harmful.
You call that in itself harmful? Anyway, here's a post by JNP that seems to apply:
Here's the thing. We don't care who is posting here as what account. As long as they are not being disruptive no one cares! Get banned and come right back with an alt account acting as you should and the moderation was a success.
As a matter of fact, Navana's particular brand of "attention-whoring" isn't even that bad. It could have been so much worse.
Ignoring posts, Constantly posting pictures filtered on Photobucket's photo editing tool & not to forget awkward and cringe-worthy male cleavage. I'm pretty sure that's some sort of attention whoring right there..Eitherway, He lied about his gender to people. He was posting pictures of his "friend" in his place to get people to like him because he was pretending to be a "hawt girl".
Oh no! Quickly! Call the police! And let's not forget, it takes 2 to tango my dear. Just don't give him attention, it's as simple as that. Male cleavage? Sounds like an exaggeration to me, but are you saying it would have been acceptable had he been a girl because I'm pretty sure I can cite entire threads dedicated to sexy women here just to be a smartass. I can't entertain double standards.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Daniel9999999 on March 08, 2014, 07:58:37 pm
Did Navana act anything like RMH on his alt account? And once again, did he actually DO anything with the account?
He seemed like an okay person with that account. He didn't disrupt anyone with it and only posted a few of his MUGEN ideas. And asked for a few MUGEN chars
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 08, 2014, 08:05:37 pm
But his lies were miniscule and ignorable. I remember when everyone went crazy after he revealed he wasn't a girl. Come on, really though. We really take that as a big deal?
I remember when everyone went crazy after he revealed he wasn't a girl. Come on, really though. We really take that as a big deal?
When things such as gender are a lie, there's a a big question as whether everything else regarding the person is a lie as well, so it basically shows a decieving person, not only that but posing as a girl is often viewed as a way to get attention from members to gain advantages from them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 08, 2014, 08:30:28 pm
Im guessing double account of someone that got banned.
Indeed.
Don't evade bans. If you do, you should at least try to be secretive about it and not let us find out about it. Otherwise, you're missing the point of what JNP said. Better luck next time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 08, 2014, 08:43:08 pm
lmao @ blatant alt.
Yes, alt accounts are a big deal (and bad in general), but of course it's best to treat each circumstance uniquely.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 08, 2014, 08:51:15 pm
this alt account bullshit is confusing as hell
maverik admits to having an alt account, asks for unban: maverik is unbanned and can normally post. navana asks for an unban, is unbanned, admits he has an alt account after the fact: navana can normally post this guy admits he's using an alt account: instantly permabanned
can't he at least get a chance to explain his actions like the other two
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 08, 2014, 08:53:03 pm
its hjk.
He seems to have made like ten or so accounts, i already deleted a bunch of them.
For those that dont remember Hjk was given a chance to go back to his original account and be "unbanned" a while ago. So he already went over that routine.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 08, 2014, 08:54:13 pm
maverik admits to having an alt account, asks for unban: maverik is unbanned and can normally post. navana asks for an unban, is unbanned, admits he has an alt account after the fact: navana can normally post this guy admits he's using an alt account: instantly permabanned
can't he at least get a chance to explain his actions like the other two
^ I actually agree. This is some subpar decision process. He admitted using an alt account and he got banned?? Talk about bias.
On another point, the problem with Navana wasn´t lying, was constant lying to the point it was unbearable.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 08, 2014, 09:04:33 pm
Quote
Talk about bias.
.I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 08, 2014, 09:07:37 pm
maverik admits to having an alt account, asks for unban: maverik is unbanned and can normally post. navana asks for an unban, is unbanned, admits he has an alt account after the fact: navana can normally post this guy admits he's using an alt account: instantly permabanned
can't he at least get a chance to explain his actions like the other two
no, he can just make another alt account, problem solved.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 08, 2014, 09:11:55 pm
.I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Exactly. My brain failed me for 1 second. I wanted to use another word. Still this decision requires a different analysis.
While I disagree with your use of bias and your attempts to make this seem like the staff is incompetent or corrupt or whatever, I think I agree when you say that the whole situation is confusing and makes no sense. There appears to be no blanket rule or precedent for how alt accounts should be handled past the fact they're not allowed. Instead its been a case by case thing and its worked to a varying degree in which we review circumstances of the alt and make decision on punishment or whatever. I hope this sheds some light on the process.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 08, 2014, 09:17:54 pm
.I don't think that word means what you think it means.
C'mon Iced. Clearly he's changed. His behavior was absolutely nothing like anything ever seen from him in the past.
You should have given him a chance to explain, then spam that explanation over and over again.
I like you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 08, 2014, 09:29:54 pm
Wait a second, we are talking about hjk?? ok then, problem solved lol. He made 6+ alt accounts in the past. Having one alt account could be tolerable considering past events but 6+ and to cause problems?? Definitely not.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 08, 2014, 09:31:12 pm
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 08, 2014, 09:32:05 pm
in before "iced likes speedpreacher, that means he is bias!" while clutching pearls.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 08, 2014, 09:32:59 pm
Just shows how conflicting the alt-account situation can be.
The Pigeot account went by rather smoothly; there was very little suspicion that it was hjk. Of course the other accounts didn't work as well. But let's hypothetically say that hjk (for anybody who doesn't know, he's pretty much past the point of no return) continued the Pigeot account, became an effective member of the community and then months/years down the road he revealed his true identity. Then what? :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 08, 2014, 09:34:42 pm
My recommendation would be a short ban for breaking an important rule, but thats only if we went the hard-line route
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 08, 2014, 09:35:22 pm
Just one thing I wanted to say. The thing with Navana having an alt account is slightly different (from all the other "admitting to having an alt account" cases like Mav or hjk) in the sense that the first time (and the second and third etc.) he was banned because of lying and deceiving people and everything, eventually "slipping up" and admitting his lies. so Navana admitting to having a secret alt account is actually the same thing he was doing before, which is in direct contradiction with his claims that he changed. Whether the staff is willing to wait until he does something bad again is a different matter, because they're judging on whether he actually does some damage or not. That has no connection to whether he was already doing his "lying and then admitting" antics, as long as the staff doesn't consider it harmful. The real point of divergence of opinion is that in the first place, he was unbanned because he said he didn't lie and deceive people anymore, that he changed. That in itself was already a lie as seen with the double account.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 08, 2014, 09:39:03 pm
hey, you got an avatar, this is jarring
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 08, 2014, 09:39:14 pm
Insane solution: Visible IP addresses, no more alt accounts!!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 08, 2014, 09:40:31 pm
we already have visible ip addresses. its how we find alts in the first place...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 08, 2014, 09:40:41 pm
The IPs are already visible to the staff, just not to everyone else. But the staff can't recognize IPs by vaguely looking at a list of posts, they have to use the search tool they have to see "how many accounts have an IP too close for coincidence to this one".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on March 08, 2014, 09:40:49 pm
The difference with Navana is that he admitted having an alt after he was unbanned. It was obviously a safeguard incase his ban was not lifted. Had he disclosed it up front that would be rather different. But he didn't. The lying continues. Kick him the fuck out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 08, 2014, 09:44:15 pm
This alt account is really getting out of hand. At this point anyone could be an alt of a previous banned member. (No, I´m not KaoMinerva)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on March 08, 2014, 09:44:36 pm
I dunno guys I might be KFM
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 08, 2014, 09:44:51 pm
Yeah you're obviously MC2.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 08, 2014, 09:45:34 pm
Insane solution: Visible IP addresses, no more alt accounts!!!
cross-checking ip addresses isn't as reliable as it used to be because of how easy it is to get internet from other sources in this day and age. i think i've explained this already. it's not as easy as you think.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 08, 2014, 09:46:44 pm
^ mmm I see. Alright.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 08, 2014, 09:49:49 pm
I knew the thread would eventually get to joking about alts.
The difference with Navana is that he admitted having an alt after he was unbanned. It was obviously a safeguard incase his ban was not lifted. Had he disclosed it up front that would be rather different. But he didn't. The lying continues. Kick him the fuck out.
Had he disclosed it up front, he would've been further exiled for ban evasion. Lose-lose situation (except that the second situation was better and somehow was able to return).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 08, 2014, 09:56:19 pm
I knew the thread would eventually get to joking about alts.
You're claiming you knew what would happen, after it has happened ? hjk, leave this alt.
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Had he disclosed it up front, he would've been further exiled for ban evasion. Lose-lose situation (except that the second situation was better and somehow was able to return).
It went well for Maverik so no.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 09, 2014, 01:20:53 am
the whole mugen community died years ago leaving KFM as the only one still interested on it. in a desperate attempt to keep the community alive he opted to create a new community and repopulate it with replicas of old users accounts as well as new users (to keep things fresh) all impersonated by him
this place is nothing more than a one man puppet show. however controlling so many fake personas resulted to be too much for him to handle and the "real KFM" was aventually lost in the endless sea of multiple personalities.
is not that the staff refuses to "unban" him but is that his other personalities are keeping him in the void because they know if he ever takes control of his body again we will all dissapear. the people pretedning to lift the ban are nothing but bits of his subconscious trying to bring the original host back
don't you get it? none of this is real we are all just part of a madman's dream and when the dream ends we will all dissapear!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 09, 2014, 01:27:50 am
You should write a book. Or make an anime or something.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Person Man on March 09, 2014, 01:35:25 am
I'll have to get used to that. Now is Cazaki's turn.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 09, 2014, 02:52:46 am
Seriously if this is drawing so much attention I'll just remove it guys
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on March 09, 2014, 02:59:56 am
It's like a forum software change, it sticks out too much to ignore for a few days and then we just get used to it. I've forgotten how the forum looked 2 years ago. I don't even know if it looked any different 4 years ago.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on March 09, 2014, 03:21:42 am
Yeah, like when Cyanide changed his avatar after 10 years or something like that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Japanese Jesus on March 09, 2014, 03:23:58 am
I will always picture Byakko as Kyosuke of Rival Schools.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 09, 2014, 03:30:24 am
I had a Daigo avatar but I don't remember having a Kyosuke one...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on March 09, 2014, 04:55:35 am
So is Navana still banned or not?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on March 09, 2014, 05:20:15 am
Not banned. He is currently free to move around like the rest of us. :mmhmm:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 09, 2014, 10:57:15 am
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1925173 Well not anymore. He decided one "no" wasn't good enough. So he started jumping from mod to mod trying to get a "yes" about removing the limits put on his avatar/sig.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orie on March 09, 2014, 11:28:14 am
Not going on anyone's side on this, since I'm still neutral to this whole thing, but:
Again? Really? ..*sigh* Should've been patient to wait till he earns his sig/avvie thing back.
I mean I know he waited a day, but it still sounds like he's impatient... right?
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
There goes the sig I requested back when he used the alt. account.. and an opportunity to go "Phoenix Wright" mode on him, should he make a stupid mistake.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 09, 2014, 11:31:20 am
Maverik has an avatar. Why Navana can´t have one again?? This alt account stuff has turned into a really big mess. Instead of discussing who will be forgiven for his sins this should the point of discussion. Set a criteria for this or something.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 09, 2014, 02:09:30 pm
No because the whole point is that they did different stuff to get those punishments. You don't set the same restrictions on someone who punched a bunch of guys a few times and someone who used looks and displays to trick and deceive a bunch of other people to the point it became harmful.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 09, 2014, 02:34:41 pm
Navana had his account cursed (couldn't edit sig/av) before he was banned. Maverick didn't have that happen because he wasn't abusing his sig/av.
Navana was unbanned. But his account still had the cursed status. I wouldn't have minded uncursing him. But it would have taken some months of good behavior. When JMorphMan told him "No, not right now" he should have accepted that and not go ask me and MissB the next day. That's like a kid getting a "no" from momma and turning around to try and get a 'yes" from daddy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 09, 2014, 03:08:33 pm
You're claiming you knew what would happen, after it has happened ? hjk, leave this alt.
I was going to run with doing an RMH impression, and how this is all some experiment I'm conducting, and how not banning me is a clear indication that the mods want to argue because it's in their nature to do so... but I had to work, ah well.
As for Navana, that sure ended quick. Ava/sigs are serious business.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 09, 2014, 03:20:37 pm
well that was a waste of time
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on March 09, 2014, 03:23:58 pm
good job
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 09, 2014, 03:43:07 pm
what's so great about KFM for him to get an unban?
It's not about great or not great. He's currently banned, and everyone currently banned is getting a free unban to see how well it's going. I myself am mostly just nagging at the staff because I know several of them hate him with a passion and flip their shit at the first mention of his name (I was among his friends back then, but I've lost contact with him the day I stopped using MSN).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on March 09, 2014, 07:20:31 pm
People who want Ash back are like people who vote for Ron Paul on election day: it's just to make a statement, whether or not it actually happens isn't important (and it's not going to happen ever).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 09, 2014, 07:23:06 pm
Personally I'm waiting on Peter Foster. Although I suspect he's already here, has been for a while, and the revelation will surprise absolutely no one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orie on March 09, 2014, 07:24:45 pm
Personally I'm waiting on Peter Foster. Although I suspect he's already here, has been for a while, and the revelation will surprise absolutely no one.
?? Anyone inform me on who he is? (And what did he do?)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 07:27:31 pm
It's not about great or not great. He's currently banned, and everyone currently banned is getting a free unban to see how well it's going. I myself am mostly just nagging at the staff because I know several of them hate him with a passion and flip their shit at the first mention of his name (I was among his friends back then, but I've lost contact with him the day I stopped using MSN).
He was even unbanned before several times and got rebanned. Whats the point of repeatedly asking for his unban after being told no and being explained why and even pointed out he didnt want to be unbanned? It just ends up being a list of everything shitty he done over and over again. Whats the statement? "we want to be reminded of what kfm did"?
Me Im waiting on Warner to stop being blacklisted so we can have him back.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 09, 2014, 07:28:51 pm
Point in case
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 09, 2014, 07:29:01 pm
And Navana was banned and unbanned several times too. Didn't stop you idiots from unbanning him the moment he came crying back and wrote up an insincere email.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 07:32:42 pm
And Navana was banned and unbanned several times too. Didn't stop you idiots from unbanning him the moment he came crying back and wrote up an insincere email.
first, fuck off with the "YOU IDIOTS". You are not being treated with disrespect to be treating others like that.
Everytime kfm asked to be unbanned he was put up for voting, it was always unanimously denied. You cant have it both ways, you cant be crying your butts off about we being a dictatorship and then crying when the votings we actually have give you results that are not the ones you personally wished for.
I voted against navana. I knew his return wouldnt last at all. but that doesnt mean i think that everyone else are stupid doody heads for voting for his freedom. Should I abolish voting because they dont vote like I do?
Navana is an insignificant problem. He was a minor nuisance you guys continue to blow out of proportion. Not that his bans were unwarranted, they were. But let's remember who we're talking about here. There are reasonable limits to the kinds of behavior we will forgive and let the offender back in. Even on more extreme cases like kfm we gave him 2 or 3 chances before.
I answered you, now I want an answer. Answer the question byakkolakko, why are you insisting after getting an answer?Whats the point?
Uh.... What's going on here ? I'm pretty sure I said everything relevant in my previous post, the one at which you once again flipped your shit about why you hate him. Let me quote myself :
I myself am mostly just nagging at the staff because I know several of them hate him with a passion and flip their shit at the first mention of his name
You keep flipping your shit even when I explain that I do it precisely because you flip your shit, I figure that's reason enough. I mean, I just told you the reason, and you go and do it again. (hint : the answer to the question "why" is the part that comes right after I say "because")
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 09, 2014, 07:39:17 pm
And Navana was banned and unbanned several times too. Didn't stop you idiots from unbanning him the moment he came crying back and wrote up an insincere email.
i really admire your resolve. how do i be more like you
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 07:41:16 pm
I answered you, now I want an answer. Answer the question byakkolakko, why are you insisting after getting an answer?Whats the point?
Uh.... What's going on here ? I'm pretty sure I said everything relevant in my previous post, the one at which you once again flipped your shit about why you hate him. Let me quote myself :
I myself am mostly just nagging at the staff because I know several of them hate him with a passion and flip their shit at the first mention of his name
You keep flipping your shit even when I explain that I do it precisely because you flip your shit, I figure that's reason enough. I mean, I just told you the reason.
Why do you think im "flipping my shit" by just straight up answering you? Do you think this is some kind of trick where you are tricking me into answering your questions?
And
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you once again flipped your shit about why you hate him.
Here, let me quote myself:
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He was even unbanned before several times and got rebanned. Whats the point of repeatedly asking for his unban after being told no and being explained why and even pointed out he didnt want to be unbanned? It just ends up being a list of everything shitty he done over and over again. Whats the statement? "we want to be reminded of what kfm did"?
Im asking you why you keep doing it, you are saying its to see hate, and claim Im hating on him. Do you see any form of hate in that post? I just see me asking you why you keep doing it again and again.
Part of being moderator of these foruns is that i try to answer people that i believe think have a real thing to complain about. Im answering you and addressing you on these because I think you are legitimately trying to make a point. Its no major big league trick to get me to answer to you when you keep whining.
This has got to be your weakest argument ever. Im disappointed 3/10
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 09, 2014, 07:41:53 pm
.... Are you drunk or something ? What the hell ?
It's because of my avatar, isn't it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 07:43:28 pm
I have avatars disabled, I have no idea if you have an avatar.
Why the heck would I be drunk for pointing out my post has none of the hate you claim it has?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 09, 2014, 07:43:50 pm
Hahaha whatever. If you guys unban KFM THE MOOJIN ANTICHRIST, Mugen Fighters Guild will be torn asunder and KFM will kill the forum again. Clearly.
You guys can go ahead and proceed on your queue of users to unban: Sol Badguy Z and then WildTengu. Posted: March 09, 2014, 07:46:09 pm
i really admire your resolve. how do i be more like you
be a cool dude that someone would like to have a beer with
and have a totes large penis
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 09, 2014, 07:46:35 pm
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Why do you think im "flipping my shit" by just straight up answering you?
But I wasn't asking any question, I was simply saying "eh, I do it for the reaction" (that's not even trolling when I straight up say what I'm doing) and then you go and give the exact reaction I just mentioned. You're the one shooting off with a long post for no reason, don't tell me you're not flipping your shit at the mere mention of his name.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on March 09, 2014, 07:49:58 pm
Hahaha whatever. If you guys unban KFM THE MOOJIN ANTICHRIST, Mugen Fighters Guild will be torn asunder and KFM will kill the forum again. Clearly.
You guys can go ahead and proceed on the your queue of users to unban: Sol Badguy Z and then WildTengu.
I see you dont have anything to really complain about .
Two previously permabanned users were given a chance after making requests, they were put to vote and allowed back in. One worked out fine, the other didnt.
This is obviously the end of the world and we should all stockpile anime and poptarts for the upcoming apocalypse.
Why do you think im "flipping my shit" by just straight up answering you?
But I wasn't asking any question, I was simply saying "eh, I do it for the reaction" and then you go and give the exact reaction I just mentioned. You're the one shooting off with a long post for no reason, don't tell me you're not flipping your shit at the mere mention of his name.
I guess the one asking was do not even ask. I kinda bulked you two together up there! No one is making " a mere mention of his name" The staff is being asked why he isnt unbanned and im answering. Still not seeing any hate , im answering you guys because you keep talking about it. "Iced has answered someone asking a question that means he flipped his shit" .
I guess i was flipping my shit by making an even larger point about navana in the same post? Is this what flipping your shit means now? Answering people?
This is truly the weakest argument 1/10.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 09, 2014, 07:52:33 pm
Wow this discussion is still happening. It's definitely worthwhile and needs to happen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 09, 2014, 07:53:03 pm
warner isn't banned or on The Blacklist - Mondays at 10/9c on NBC unless that's a joke about warner being on forbidden release lists back in the day
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 07:53:54 pm
"Iced has answered someone asking a question that means he flipped his shit" .
No, neither I nor Do Not Even Ask asked you this. You quoted me and got extremely aggressive, trying to defend yourself answering a question no one asked, and you keep insisting and making longer posts each time and growing increasingly aggressive. You ARE flipping your shit right now. I didn't trick you into it or anything, I specifically said right from the start that I was only joking, and you go and do this. The only question that was asked was Zemilia asking why people wanted him unbanned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 09, 2014, 07:57:53 pm
The staff is being asked why he isnt unbanned and im answering.
Your answers are clearly unsatisfactory. When was the last vote held for unbanning KFM? What was the informed consensus over why he shouldn't be unbanned?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 08:00:51 pm
The staff is being asked why he isnt unbanned and im answering.
Your answers are clearly unsatisfactory. When was the last vote held for unbanning KFM? What was the informed consensus over why he shouldn't be unbanned?
oh dear, oh lordy, i would answer you again but then byakko would accuse me of flipping my shit because i answered to you and him claiming he wanted to see hate.
Guess you will never know now, we wouldnt want anyone flipping their shits.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
(or you could read the staff and this very thread where that was answered tons of times already)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 08:01:50 pm
(or you could read the staff and this very thread where that was answered tons of times already)
I have read this thread and Public Staff Discussion, what has been discussed has not answered anything beyond "I'm Iced and KFM is the moojin antichrist and we fell for Navana's predictable bullshit"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 08:04:43 pm
Did you miss the part where i promise to rub all their faces in when navana tricks them and then bathe in the blood of virgins.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 09, 2014, 08:08:26 pm
Yes, because I don't read Iced posts that don't contain the terms "KFM" "unbanned" and "buttplug"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 09, 2014, 08:09:12 pm
yeah to be fair, iced was heavily against navana being unbanned and was complaining about it
a lot
like a lot
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 09, 2014, 08:10:05 pm
Him and quite a few others.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on March 09, 2014, 08:11:02 pm
but then byakko would accuse me of flipping my shit because i answered to you and him claiming he wanted to see hate.
Hey, fuck off now. I said I was poking fun at the staff because of their reaction and then you went and did exactly that - you did not answer any question, you completely lashed out at me, called me out and insulted me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on March 09, 2014, 08:12:27 pm
but then byakko would accuse me of flipping my shit because i answered to you and him claiming he wanted to see hate.
Hey, fuck off now. I said I was poking fun at the staff because of their reaction and then you went and did exactly that - you did not answer any question, you completely lashed out at me, called me out and insulted me.
cmon now, i didnt insult you at all.
you are failing at properly strawmanning me.
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So with that out of the way, can we finally unban KFM? I'm sure he'd last longer and contribute far more.
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It's not about great or not great. He's currently banned, and everyone currently banned is getting a free unban to see how well it's going. I myself am mostly just nagging at the staff because I know several of them hate him with a passion and flip their shit at the first mention of his name (I was among his friends back then, but I've lost contact with him the day I stopped using MSN).
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He was even unbanned before several times and got rebanned. Whats the point of repeatedly asking for his unban after being told no and being explained why and even pointed out he didnt want to be unbanned? It just ends up being a list of everything shitty he done over and over again. Whats the statement? "we want to be reminded of what kfm did"?
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Point in case
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I answered you, now I want an answer. Answer the question byakkolakko, why are you insisting after getting an answer?Whats the point?
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completely lashed out at me, called me out and insulted me.
I called you byakkolakko but if you took that as an insult you are being too thin skinned.
Questions were posed about the guy, they were answered, and you tried to pass them off as me flipping my shit, completely ignoring that my posts about navana were far longer and "aggressive" than those you claim to be lashing out. You are even trying to pretend that do not even ask wasnt posing a question that i answered.
This is kinda weaksauce.
Anyway gg everyone, it ended exactly as I predicted, navana lasted less than three days before trying to trick someone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orie on March 09, 2014, 08:24:15 pm
And game is set. *Snaps finger*
So... What's on for movie night? :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Anti-11 on March 09, 2014, 08:28:47 pm
oldboy or pulp fiction?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 08:32:12 pm
I keep seeing references to Slither lately, I think im going to have to bite the bullet.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Trinitronity on March 09, 2014, 08:46:08 pm
Okay, guys. I have an suggestion: We could bring this discussion to an end by listining the most-memorable perma-banned users and why they don't get a second chance. We already heard about Navana, and I'm not very familiar with KFM/Ash/whatever, so I guess that would be a good start... That would also be a good way for "younger" MFG members to know why all that happened, and how the MFG became what it is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 09, 2014, 08:46:46 pm
Nah.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 09, 2014, 08:47:08 pm
Whats the point of repeatedly asking for his unban after being told no and being explained why and even pointed out he didnt want to be unbanned? It just ends up being a list of everything shitty he done over and over again. Whats the statement? "we want to be reminded of what kfm did"?
is not "just responding to Do Not Even Ask", whose question was a joke about how fast Navana got rebanned. He didn't ask you to "remind you of what KFM did", and I didn't ask anything. You WERE hastily trying to justify yourself, and your "Whats the statement? we want to be reminded of what kfm did? " IS aggressive, whether you admit it or not. The lengthier and lengthier posts you made after that, and all of these comments here
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"I answered you, now I want an answer. Answer the question byakkolakko, why are you insisting after getting an answer?Whats the point?" "Do you think this is some kind of trick where you are tricking me into answering your questions?" "Im asking you why you keep doing it, you are saying its to see hate, and claim Im hating on him. Do you see any form of hate in that post? I just see me asking you why you keep doing it again and again." "This has got to be your weakest argument ever. Im disappointed 3/10"
and so on are getting increasingly aggressive, when I was repeatedly going "what is this even about" and pointing out I already said I was mocking this very reaction - and that I had already answered your question from the very beginning. You keep claiming I want to see hate but I never even said that. I said I was making fun of you for your reactions, this has nothing to do with WANTING to see hate.
My very first comment about "the staff flips their shit" was merely poking fun, you're the one who can't let it go and keeps trying to twist my words, claiming I "want to see hate".
What the fuck.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orie on March 09, 2014, 08:51:39 pm
Okay, guys. I have an suggestion: We could bring this discussion to an end by listining the most-memorable perma-banned users and why they don't get a second chance. We already heard about Navana, and I'm not very familiar with KFM/Ash/whatever, so I guess that would be a good start... That would also be a good way for "younger" MFG members to know why all that happened, and how the MFG became what it is.
Not up for it, thank you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 09, 2014, 09:05:33 pm
arguments between byakko and iced is like watching two brick walls
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 09, 2014, 09:08:54 pm
Why does iced get to argue with Byakko but when he and I tried we got told by iced it was a waste of time??? Bias!!!
Me and iced looked at the perma ban list last night to see who all could potentially ask to come back that was less disruptive. Seems everyone left are pretty heavy hitters.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 09:11:09 pm
Nah. do not even ask posed his thing as a question, i answered him and what i assumed was you following him up. Turns out you didnt want an answer like I assumed, but that doesnt mean i wasnt answering him. You cant recode those into being insane rage at questions that wasnt posed. "it was a joke" doesnt matter, it wasnt posed as one. Still no insults towards you were made, like you were claiming.
The whole "Iced is flipping his shit if he answers" is dumb. It assumes that everytime I answer something it means i must be going insane with anger.
I actually think you are way better than those five six years ago when we would argue about everything for pages on end, but this whole thing is dumb. I mean we are arguing semantics about flipping shit, what a waste of time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Person Man on March 09, 2014, 09:11:47 pm
arguments between byakko and iced is like watching two brick walls
Nah, it's more like a head on collision where both drivers keep hammering the gas pedal because neither one wants to be the first to admit they've crashed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on March 09, 2014, 09:12:16 pm
Sorry to say this but this is seriously getting fucking idiotic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on March 09, 2014, 09:12:25 pm
This is all Iced's fault, Caddie should take over the site already. Posted: March 09, 2014, 09:13:21 pm
The whole "Iced is flipping his shit if he answers" is dumb. It assumes that everytime I answer something it means i must be going insane with anger.
Interestingly enough I never said that either. I have no idea how you came up with that, you're just taking this way too personally.
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what i assumed was you following him up.
Even though I wasn't talking to you at all ? I was responding to something Zemilia said.
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Still no insults towards you were made, like you were claiming.
Those comments from you are insulting :
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"Do you think this is some kind of trick where you are tricking me into answering your questions?" "This has got to be your weakest argument ever. Im disappointed 3/10"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 09:20:42 pm
you used to call people long lists of expletives,and you are offended by me saying you are having a weak argument?
That seems like an exageration
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 09, 2014, 09:21:45 pm
Yes. I'm pretty sure even back in the days I kept telling you that words don't need to be an insulting word to be insulting in context. Just because you're not saying asshole and sack of shit doesn't mean you're not being insulting. Aggressivity is an example of such context.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 09, 2014, 09:26:10 pm
I really hope another permabanned user doesn´t get a chance for whatever reason, they were permabanned for something. At this point Maverik´s case will end in a really special case in the book.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 09:35:40 pm
I really hope another permabanned user doesn´t get a chance for whatever reason, they were permabanned for something. At this point Maverik´s case will end in a really special case in the book.
If they approach us through normal means and make a decent case, they will be considered for a discussion that might end up in voting. But thats pretty rare.
@Byakko, you are assuming way too much aggressivity, if you want to read me telling you that your argument is weak as an insult there's little i can do about that. Im answering you and that still doesnt mean im flipping my shit. Dont strawman me, bro.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on March 09, 2014, 09:36:16 pm
Yes. I'm pretty sure even back in the days I kept telling you that words don't need to be an insulting word to be insulting in context. Just because you're not saying asshole and sack of shit doesn't mean you're not being insulting. Aggressivity is an example of such context.
jegus chris shut thef fuck up
Maybe it's a French thing but profanity as you have used it (AND STILL DO) is way more offensive than saying that someone's argument was bad.
You didn't prove anything. That's just weak posting. You made a bad post, Byakko.
/me throws a cigarette butt at Byakko then rejoins Jmorphman and GOH in waiting by Fantastic Mr. Navana's foxhole.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 09, 2014, 09:38:49 pm
Says the guy who keeps claiming I want to see hate and thinks I want him to justify himself every time someone makes a joke. You can't be serious. This isn't about me, don't make it about me, this is about you. Insults or not, you lashed out because you can't let things go when I was only making fun of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 09, 2014, 09:41:46 pm
Wow this discussion is still happening. It's definitely worthwhile and needs to happen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on March 09, 2014, 09:43:25 pm
To be fair, every single post you (Byakko) make sounds super fucking agressive and serious, so if you make a joke it looks like it's not a joke.
Just sayin'
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 09, 2014, 09:44:33 pm
Just take of your hate-bias goggles. I make jokes all the time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on March 09, 2014, 09:48:57 pm
Then you must do a really shitty job of it because I honestly can't tell when you're joking except instances where it backfires and you have to come out and say "I WAS JOKING YOU GUYS, JEEZ."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 09:50:24 pm
You sounded extremely serious and telling someone that they have a weak argument isnt lashing out. you are over reacting.
It's not about great or not great. He's currently banned, and everyone currently banned is getting a free unban to see how well it's going. I myself am mostly just nagging at the staff because I know several of them hate him with a passion and flip their shit at the first mention of his name (I was among his friends back then, but I've lost contact with him the day I stopped using MSN).
Oh byakko you can be so silly with those things.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 09, 2014, 09:59:34 pm
Then you must do a really shitty job of it because I honestly can't tell when you're joking except instances where it backfires and you have to come out and say "I WAS JOKING YOU GUYS, JEEZ."
Right ! Let's look at my post history, beside this topic, my release/wip topics, and the serious posts that actually contribute to discussions in gaming topics.
Something something exploring people a lot something
And so on and many more in-context jokes. All the time. Or does my aggressivity makes you believe my comment about Jesus Christ was an insult ?
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You sounded extremely serious and telling someone that they have a weak argument isnt lashing out.
It totally is when I wasn't making an argument in the first place and you're jumping at me repeatedly after I tell you several times it was poking fun. You didn't just say "hey, you've got a weak argument there, man". You kept attacking me about how I wanted to see hate and when I told you it was humor, you called it a weak argument.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 09, 2014, 10:04:01 pm
can you morons stop it, you guys are veterans in the community and it reflects on mfg badly that'd you'd have such petty fucking arguments for 4 pages
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 09, 2014, 10:06:25 pm
oh look it's Iced vs. Byakko XVI: Tables, Ladders and Semantics Match at wrestlemania 30
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on March 09, 2014, 10:07:00 pm
okay, but one more post from me before I go.
@Byakko: if those are jokes, I beg of you, don't quit your day job.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 09, 2014, 10:08:49 pm
The point is they're not insults, there's no aggressivity, and even if you don't find them funny, it's blindingly obvious they're random jokes, and you and Iced need to drop the ad hominem attacks trying to make it about me all the time just because you don't like me since ten years ago or something.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 09, 2014, 10:11:10 pm
Byakkolakko, wanting to see someone flip their shit is wanting to see someone hate on something. I was commenting on that, that me answering you wasnt me hating as you were apparently so fond of claiming. That is a weak argument, thinking that someone answering questions is someone flipping their shit.
At some point you started arguing semantics, which I find completely useless. If you dont have any issue with the current moderation and you dont need anything answered, then theres no reason to keep arguing .
If your argument is that you are offended because i told you that you had a weak argument, theres little anyone can do about that.
I dunno where you are thinking I dont like you. If I didnt at least respect your opinion i wouldnt be answering you.
Byakkolakko, wanting to see someone flip their shit is wanting to see someone hate on something.
No it's not. I don't know how to tell you that without destroying your entire view on the world, but it just isn't. You're taking it way too personally. You HAVE to not take obvious bait jokes like that, ESPECIALLY when I explicitly tell you I'm poking fun at you. Even if you say you thought I was serious, you should have stopped the minute I told you I wasn't. If you still take it to heart after that, then it's nothing but your fault.
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If you dont have any issue with the current moderation and you dont need anything answered, then theres no reason to keep arguing .
I wasn't arguing in the first place, I kept telling you I was making jokes on your reaction and you kept getting more aggressive. You're the one who keeps trying to belittle me and all that shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on March 09, 2014, 10:16:38 pm
Should have stayed as Judgement Day ._.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 09, 2014, 10:17:06 pm
Byakkolakko, wanting to see someone flip their shit is wanting to see someone hate on something.
No it's not. I don't know how to tell you that without destroying your entire view on the world, but it just isn't. You're taking it way too personally. you HAVE to not take obvious bait jokes like that, ESPECIALLY when I explicitly tell you I'm poking fun at you. If you still take it to heart after that, then it's nothing but your fault.
Would there be enough pull for an "indie projects" section of the board?
It depends on what the criteria is. The idea of indie projects for Mugen of all things is kinda silly given how it usually works.
indie projects that are not mugen? You have people that used to do mugen that then started doing bor, some started doing flash games, some went on to do full games ( thinking of rikard ) . all of those are indie projects I think.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 09, 2014, 10:18:45 pm
the story for anyone confused by last 4 pages:
byakko: iced hates kfm, watch him respond and be mad iced: were not gonna unban kfm why do you want him unbanned, also im not mad byakko: why are you mad iced: im not mad, why do you want kfm unbanned byakko: i dont want kfm unbanned, why are you mad iced: im not mad, why do you want kfm unbanned byakko: i dont want kfm unbanned, why are you mad iced: im not mad, why do you want kfm unbanned byakko: i dont want kfm unbanned, why are you mad jango: im just trolling
the end
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 09, 2014, 10:20:00 pm
indie projects that are not mugen? You have people that used to do mugen that then started doing bor, some started doing flash games, some went on to do full games ( thinking of rikard ) . all of those are indie projects I think.
Oh I see now. I think it'd be nice to have that section even if just in case. The threads there would get more attention than if they'd been stuck in the Gaming section or whatever since those boards are usually dominated by official stuff. I say try it out and see what happens.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 09, 2014, 10:23:18 pm
indie projects that are not mugen? You have people that used to do mugen that then started doing bor, some started doing flash games, some went on to do full games ( thinking of rikard ) . all of those are indie projects I think.
Oh I see now. I think it'd be nice to have that section even if just in case. The threads there would get more attention than if they'd been stuck in the Gaming section or whatever since those boards are usually dominated by official stuff. I say try it out and see what happens.
My only question is if there is enough material.
I can only think of like, four five threads that would fit the criteria right now, and I think it might end up underused?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 09, 2014, 10:28:09 pm
It's better to have them there for future reference and easier access than letting them be buried under all the other threads. There's not much to lose from trying it out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 09, 2014, 10:28:48 pm
i don't think there's enough nonmugen activity to justify a board see http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/other-engines-154736.0.html;all
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 09, 2014, 10:44:49 pm
The only way to solve this conflict is to unban KFM, clearly. It's win-win.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 09, 2014, 10:48:04 pm
Let´s permaban DNEA for KFM. Sounds like a fair trade! Willing to do that, boy??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 09, 2014, 10:50:26 pm
this is unrelated, but DAN_HIBIKI's ban expires in 2 days! are you all excited??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 09, 2014, 10:50:39 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on March 09, 2014, 10:51:43 pm
im gonna screencap the last few pages and send it to mc2 is that alright
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 09, 2014, 10:53:35 pm
Why, he was KFM's alt all this time ?
HEY, LOOK HERE, THIS IS A JOKE
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on March 09, 2014, 10:55:16 pm
Kinda not funny when it's forced, Kinda disrespectful actually.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on March 09, 2014, 11:00:11 pm
im gonna screencap the last few pages and send it to mc2 is that alright
why do you need permission. why did you even tell us. why would it matter if he saw this. why does anything matter
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 09, 2014, 11:07:20 pm
He and MC2 have lost the spark in their relationship and now the only way MC2 can get hard is by imagining MFG going up in smoke.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on March 09, 2014, 11:08:42 pm
well you unmasked me i am part of a secret mission by the mc2 agency to document the various goings on in mfg and use them as part of a trojan horse plot to destroy the place from within and re-establish mrev
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on March 09, 2014, 11:20:25 pm
when you reestablish mrev, make sure to revive doki doki mugen reviews along with it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on March 09, 2014, 11:40:22 pm
thats a bonus too im aiming for an s rank
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Erroratu on March 10, 2014, 12:13:54 am
He lost interest in the guild and is warring with some other forum now At least thats what Anti MFG forum says
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on March 10, 2014, 12:20:46 am
That's still going? I wanna see how Peter's doing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 10, 2014, 01:17:39 am
I can only think of like, four five threads that would fit the criteria right now, and I think it might end up underused?
fucking music forum
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 10, 2014, 01:22:04 am
That board's entire existence is justified by this thread. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/what-r-u-listening-right-now-62705.0.html)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on March 10, 2014, 01:29:08 am
We should merge that board with entertainment...one of these days.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 10, 2014, 01:30:54 am
^ I agree.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 10, 2014, 03:38:52 am
but if the music board dissapears where will we post the porn ?
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
you know the prt we post in the threads there that nobody ever bothers to read.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Tyrant Belial on March 10, 2014, 04:34:04 am
Make it a subsection of entertainment.
If only cus it's slightly more complex.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on March 11, 2014, 06:52:34 pm
Is it ok to make lots of topics for every single stage you made? This guy is an example: http://mugenguild.com/forum/your-releases-older-mugen.309 and http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/arachnoman-83095
Wouldn't be better to make a topic with all stages?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 11, 2014, 06:54:19 pm
most often we merge them if we have too many at once.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 11, 2014, 08:17:35 pm
Arachno-Man ould use a merging of his threads then (he has like 10 threads on the first page here: http://mugenguild.com/forum/your-releases-older-mugen.309 )
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 11, 2014, 08:22:01 pm
Oh yeah, jeez, that's a lot. I don't think we should set a hard and fast limit on this kind of thing, but when your topics make up the majority of the threads on a page, it's gotta be done.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 11, 2014, 08:29:40 pm
I merged all the carnage there before it became MAXIMUM
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 11, 2014, 08:59:01 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1926628 Make it a sub board. That way it won't make a mess of the entertainment board.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 11, 2014, 11:06:58 pm
it won't regardless, page 2 has topics that are already over 1 year old.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 11, 2014, 11:20:33 pm
Already merged it. You can't even tell. I think there is like 1 music thread on the front page of Entertainment not counting the 1 sticky we kept. 1 Sticky was removed from Entertainment as well, can anyone remember what it was?!
Music Resources sticky was moved to the Dev Resources board.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 11, 2014, 11:39:41 pm
as long as the boobs sticky is in there I am happy (as far as I am concerned that's the only sticky I want ).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on March 12, 2014, 12:47:03 am
I think you mean books sticky? Or is there a boobs sticky I can't see.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 12, 2014, 12:47:32 am
Probably both, knowing [E].
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 12, 2014, 12:50:55 am
do you like change your entire profile every week?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 12, 2014, 12:52:01 am
It's mostly my avatar and personal text. That's a big profile amirite.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 12, 2014, 01:20:03 am
now I wonder wha't the section of the forum that has less action so that we can keep on posting porn in there (or editing it in the posts so they don't get updated, like we did in the music forum).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 12, 2014, 01:28:56 am
^ Project EF-12 section?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Japanese Jesus on March 13, 2014, 11:32:57 pm
In light of this recent merging, I've got a question regarding the Gaming and Fighting Games sections. Is there a reason that they are separate from one another? I am going to assume that it is because some people do not want fighters flooding the gaming section, but this is a guild of fighting so they should learn to deal with it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 13, 2014, 11:37:36 pm
Both of these sections are very active, if they got merged, topics would skip a page very fast. They both have their first page (almost) filled with topics that have been active this week, meaning that in case of a merge, a topic not updated for a week would be flushed to the next page already. It's not like the Mugen release sections, but it's very often some topics that keep going over a long period of time, from the announcement to the release, and beyond that in certain cases.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on March 14, 2014, 03:27:36 pm
Hey, who deleted this? http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/melty-kof-kyo-brunestud-update-20140314-158102.msg1927965.html#new
This was the new update, and I reported it because there were two topics. You could have merged it like I suggested instead of deleting the new topic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 15, 2014, 12:06:19 am
They were merged, but since both OP were literally identical to the other, I deleted the one that came after. End result is that the first topic is the only one that exists, with the reply that came from the second topic from lijide2004 merged there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on March 16, 2014, 01:00:45 pm
Can you change the colour of the donators to a darker yellow? Melcore is an example: http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/kof-2003-portrait-project-158029.0.html
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on March 16, 2014, 11:53:29 pm
Can you change the colour of the donators to a darker yellow? Melcore is an example: http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/kof-2003-portrait-project-158029.0.html
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 21, 2014, 06:36:12 pm
Something that was set to invisible so I'm not sure why it's still displaying it. It's given to users that abuse their ability to move or edit threads.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Trinitronity on March 23, 2014, 03:16:08 pm
Sorry to interupt, but there is one post of C.A.N at the Warnings thread, that I cannot accept:
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EDIT: He derailed another topic and kept on dragging the argument up after the topic had clearly changed. A time-out might be at hand.
Could someone please explain, how it is even possible to derail the Random Topic, if nothing is off-topic there? I would like to know...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2014, 03:52:13 pm
probably the fact that you made yet another thread about yourself and your general stupidity despite being told not to. the thread being the random topic is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 23, 2014, 04:11:32 pm
there is one post of C.A.N at the Warnings thread, that I cannot accept:
So this is one more time where you're told to stop and you just keep going and say "I disagree", once again not listening to the countless people who tell you to stop every time. And this time it's about the warning topic. Are you just physically incapable of learning and listening or something ? See, you think you're right this one time and it's okay for you to say I disagree. But you keep doing that, to the point that every single time, it happens because you treat it as an exception, you always think "okay for the previous times, but for this one, I'm right". So when is it not an exception ? When do you finally understand the general rule of "stop doing this" ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Daniel9999999 on March 23, 2014, 05:50:17 pm
So when is Trinitrony banned, seriously? Not only because he doesn't get the hint by this point, but also because the constant ridicule only clogs up every thread he posts in instead of a possibility of actual discussion, which gets really annoying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 23, 2014, 05:51:39 pm
Could someone please explain, how it is even possible to derail the Random Topic, if nothing is off-topic there? I would like to know...
I'll say this again: you brought up a dead discussion, one that hadn't even a single whisper of anything for over a page and shouldn't have gone any farther, and redirected the thread towards yourself. That is derailing. That is not knowing when to stop replying. That is not thinking before replying. If people hadn't even talked about you for over a page, the discussion was dead. You could have avoided so much ridicule had you just stopped and thought to yourself: "Hey, you know what? Maybe replying after people have already posted an entire page that doesn't involve me isn't such a good idea!" Replying even after that isn't exactly the most logical conclusion to come to.
tl;dr stop making every topic about you and control your posts. I'm tempted to just give you a time-out right now. Don't push it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on March 23, 2014, 06:21:18 pm
Mocking autism is low class.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 24, 2014, 09:25:44 pm
the "food for thought" thread started out as a trolling thread, but it turned into a legitimate thread. trinitronity derailed it when it was a legitimate thread with a legitimate discussion about fish going on. trinitronity should be banned for derailing yet another fucking thread, said thread's quality notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on March 24, 2014, 10:03:37 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1933665
MissB, Jape comes here once or twice a year. He doesn't make any problems.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on March 24, 2014, 10:35:18 pm
Good to know that being absent for 6 months gives you a free card for a day of trolling. Gonna use that next time I'm away for a long time :)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 24, 2014, 10:56:02 pm
well, it kidna does, if trini' derailment happened also tice a year nobody would be bothered by it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 24, 2014, 11:09:48 pm
also if mbh had a problem with jape's threads maybe she should have brought them up in timely fashion to the staff instead of waiting to make a handful of passive aggressive posts. trying to compare a bunch of dumb threads jape made (which nobody really had a problem with if the lack of reports and "shut up, stop posting dumb shit" replies is any indication) with trinitronity's posts (someone who has been actively derailing threads by being stupid, has his posts reported often, has most users telling him to shut the fuck up, has repeatedly been warned about it) is just stupid.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on March 24, 2014, 11:22:23 pm
also if mbh had a problem with jape's threads maybe she should have brought them up in timely fashion to the staff instead of waiting to make a handful of passive aggressive posts. trying to compare a bunch of dumb threads jape made (which nobody really had a problem with if the lack of reports and "shut up, stop posting dumb shit" replies is any indication) with trinitronity's posts (someone who has been actively derailing threads by being stupid, has his posts reported often, has most users telling him to shut the fuck up, has repeatedly been warned about it) is just stupid.
I don't have a problem with his threads, trolling doesnt bother me. Double standards for friends of the staff (or former staff) DOES.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 24, 2014, 11:28:21 pm
i guess jape was friends with most posters here if the lack of reports or complaining in general about his posts are any indication. they're all biased
also iced just said he should be banned for a week with no warnings whatsoever. how's that for a double standard when trinitronityrniynrty gets banned for 3 days after being warned 10 times but my superfriend jape gets banned for a week with zero verbal warnings.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 24, 2014, 11:51:27 pm
Dont feel the need to warn someone who is around "just for le loltrolling kek", considering he had been banned ages ago over the same thing he was doing This is not "page for le top kek shitposting" .
still think that if people want someone dealt with should speak up instead of just coming after and acting as if there are "Preferences" being given. soapboxing goes nowhere.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 24, 2014, 11:57:57 pm
You should warn before ban regardless. Shit, even I do it. It's proper protocol basically.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 24, 2014, 11:59:08 pm
i'm all for people that are making bad posts getting banned, but when it takes so long for trinitronity to get a 3 day ban and when navana can return after his 12th chance i don't think it's exactly fair that someone gets banned for a week with zero attempt at verbal communication before the ban
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on March 25, 2014, 12:04:22 am
It's not fair.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 25, 2014, 12:08:07 am
i'm all for people that are making bad posts getting banned, but when it takes so long for trinitronity to get a 3 day ban and when navana can return after his 12th chance i don't think it's exactly fair that someone gets banned for a week with zero attempt at verbal communication before the ban
hes here to troll
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1932548
and make fun of dead people and those that care about those dead people.
He has no need for warnings.
I could go on and quote his posts to justify this, but he doesnt care, like you said "hes here just to troll" and his idea of having fun is making those kind of posts, so I stand by my suggestion. That im even bringing this up to voting its because of procedure, in ye olde guild I would have just banned him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 25, 2014, 12:11:49 am
I think we should make every effort to warn people and try to help them avoid being banned the first time, especially when it's over things that aren't meant to be malicious. For repeat offenders one is really all that's needed, and in certain cases I think it can be skipped. I guess it's only fair to warn this Jape guy first but looking over his post history isn't exactly inspiring me with a lot of sympathy. :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 25, 2014, 12:13:18 am
yeah, the venezuela thing kinda made the warning worth skipping. about trini he's too lazy/self centered for his own good in this forum
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1933655
dorae soemthign has got a similar behaviour but he keeps it in check in the request board (plus it's a request oard what can you be if not egoistic) so it's nothing wrong with him, but trini's request behaviour rubs off in the rest to the rest fo the forum.
what's wrong with me? what do you mean I look autistic? what can I do so peopel accept me? how do I do that? how do I think before I post? etc...
we have had recently our sare of poster that started bad and a bunch of them improved, bu it's very difficult for trini to improve dunno why, it would be cool if he did. Posted: March 25, 2014, 12:13:55 am for how long did jape get banned anyway?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 25, 2014, 12:14:46 am
i'm all for people that are making bad posts getting banned, but when it takes so long for trinitronity to get a 3 day ban and when navana can return after his 12th chance i don't think it's exactly fair that someone gets banned for a week with zero attempt at verbal communication before the ban
hes here to troll
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1932548
and make fun of dead people and those that care about those dead people.
He has no need for warnings.
I could go on and quote his posts to justify this, but he doesnt care, like you said "hes here just to troll" and his idea of having fun is making those kind of posts, so I stand by my suggestion. That im even bringing this up to voting its because of procedure, in ye olde guild I would have just banned him.
no he needs a warning, titiln has a point here. what jape did rn is just regular shitposting while trini has been hardcore derailing for weeks. its a matter of proportionality.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 25, 2014, 12:16:00 am
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on March 25, 2014, 12:17:43 am
Jape's post in the Venezuela thread really pissed me off, I'm glad something's been done about him, and I've seen his other recent posts, just a freaking troll, and of the bad kind
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on March 25, 2014, 12:22:11 am
At least Trinitronity had a few normal posts but this guy came back straight up acting somewhat like a spammer, also posting in threats with 0 idea of what the hell its going on, people posting on his unnecessary food thread was pure luck IMO
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 25, 2014, 12:26:00 am
But he doesn´t derail threads every freaking time... we could go on. The post in the Venezuela Conflict thread deserves a warning at least.
Troll vs derailing. I just don´t know.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on March 25, 2014, 12:30:04 am
Meh, get rid of both. It's not like we need a daily fix of bad posts.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 25, 2014, 12:38:45 am
Jape is a gimmick poster and this forum would lose nothing if he was banned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 25, 2014, 12:43:58 am
Yeah, let´s get rid of both. Jape is a harmless troll on its habitat, Trinitronity just keep derailing topics to no end.
Nothing of value will be lost but just let it escalate.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bea on March 25, 2014, 12:48:33 am
Okay, I hadn't seen that post on the Venezuela conflict thread. Should I have seen it, I'd have reported it, strongly suggesting a ban. That post alone makes him deserve the ban that is coming his way.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 25, 2014, 12:50:28 am
Sorry for suggesting that but trolls like that guy deserves a full ban[Forever out of forum], right? One Year ban, 2 years, etc will not change trolls minds '-'
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 25, 2014, 12:51:30 am
Uh ? Trolling or not, we've seen far worse in the department of oblivious stupidity, both from people who were and people who weren't trolling. A single "I hope no one got hurt" in an discussion about a civil war seems pretty tame to me.
Edit - I should point out I haven't seen much of his other posts. I'm just talking about that one. Other posts from him might be more aggressive, I don't know.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 25, 2014, 12:52:26 am
Sorry for suggesting that but trolls like that guy deserves a full ban[Forever out of forum], right? One Year ban, 2 years, etc will not change trolls minds '-'
glad youre not a mod then cause thats excessive
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 25, 2014, 02:03:10 am
after the events that just transpired i can only hope shitposters like trinitronityman get less warnings in the future
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 25, 2014, 02:10:20 am
if said shitposters ignore all warnings and skip right to mock what is being said about them and are only around to troll , i sure hope so.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 25, 2014, 02:11:13 am
yeah, not only malicious users shoudl get bans, if an user is too lazy/obtuse to teh point he becomes detrimental to the forum a ba should be awarded too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 25, 2014, 02:19:48 am
if said shitposters ignore all warnings and skip right to mock what is being said about them and are only around to troll , i sure hope so.
theyre not going to get any warnings if what happened is any indication
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 25, 2014, 02:40:52 am
recheck your definition of baiting, I guess giving a user a helping hand is considered baiting if you know before hand said user is too lazy/dumb to actually do as normal and fix his problem with said help and instead will keep on finding ways to ask for more help.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 25, 2014, 02:42:22 am
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on March 25, 2014, 02:59:50 am
I think at least SD's way of threating people like crap and acting as he's superior to everyone need some discussion
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 25, 2014, 03:00:15 am
While I'm not going to defend the posts directed at Trin, he was repeatedly told to stop posting by multiple people (myself included) because we wasn't posting anything constructive. Cyan clearly told him about continuing to reply when no one wanted him to (and even explained why) (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1925446), and failed to do so anyway. Hate to be an asshole about the matter (and I'm not defending what was said to him) but he was asking for it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on March 25, 2014, 03:07:45 am
SD's thing it's not only with Trin, but also with users like Omega or Teitan (As far as I've seen) EDIT: I like Cyan Paul's idea of post limit
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 25, 2014, 03:16:24 am
yeah, those were given when he did not even do the little step he was given. Posted: March 25, 2014, 03:17:42 am post limit for trini sounds nice, I still have not completely given up on the guy. I mean, even at teh end of the topic he finally figured it out so it was not a waste of time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 25, 2014, 03:18:19 am
I knew I wasn't the only one thinking about posting limits. The reason I didn't bring it up was because iirc it was something that only Valodim could do (I read this in an older part of the Warnings thread). Trin obviously isn't bad enough to warrant banning him for say, 3 months (since he isn't a malicious problem). Obviously he's be less of a problem if his posting frequency was fixed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on March 25, 2014, 03:20:28 am
Exactly, he isn't a malicious user, he's just a moron
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on March 25, 2014, 03:33:18 am
An actual forum mod is out of the question, 'cause Val is inactive and all, but we can still check him manually, with a clear warning that stepping out of bonds (overposting, multiple editing or whatever quicky workaround he thinks of) equals immediate ban.
I don't think Trini's hopeless either (I like to think he's still too young), but he must learn the most painful lesson of social interaction: how to survive in a place where isn't appreciated.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on March 25, 2014, 03:47:05 am
He seems to know the difference between "your" and "you're". That alone gives me some hope.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on March 25, 2014, 03:53:52 am
Not between 'then' and 'than', though :/
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on March 25, 2014, 03:58:14 am
He also overuses commas, in places where they are unnecessary. While it's already common knowledge, he lacks the ability to have an open mind and his argumentative skills need polish as well.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on March 25, 2014, 04:04:12 am
Eh, you..you're not done learning yourself, Luigi1632.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saohc on March 25, 2014, 04:06:53 am
Eh, you..you're not done learning yourself, Luigi1632.
Just about forgetting the past. Not much else. Unless coding AI counts.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 25, 2014, 10:48:35 am
Banning Trin will not fix him, but what it will fix is his constant derailing of threads, it will allow threads to go on without his intervention and forceful insertion of his personal issue. Even if he won't suddenly be cured, if you tell him "you do that, you get banned, because, believe it or not, it's not right of you to do that, even if you think you're entitled, you're wrong", it might still happen a couple more time, but it might end up with him getting fed up of being banned for it with the same message each time, and that's what can teach him to lay low. It'll make him broody and disillusioned that "he can't say a thing or defend himself from evil people insulting his sickness" but at least it will make him stop. And if he's incapable of stopping after all that, it's quite simply tht he's incapable of functioning in society and flat out can't stay at all. Hey, when you're a kid, the only thing that stops you from doing dumb shit thing is the shame of getting punished over and again if you're unable to figure out on your own that you're causing damage, even if you get a feeling of unfairness. A feeling that is of course unwarranted if parents do regularly insist on why it goes this way, but that's going to happen anyway, and it's still the best course of action to protect everyone else. And then one day you finally grow up and realize "wow, that was dickish of me to do that". That's when you learn that you're a grown-up. And when that happens it's better that someone was there to stop you from burying yourself even deeper, because that's what you'll be ashamed of. (of course it's fine to let kids do it and figure it out by themselves, but when it starts shitting up other people, that has to stop)
Also, when discussing banning, you should remember that banning here is a slap on the wrist, three day timeout. As long as there isn't any other option for a timeout, like just a mute status. We had those before on the old forum software.
edit - by the way, I'm talking about punishing regularly so he someday gets the message, but in this case I don't think increasing the ban length each time is necessary, the recurring ban (timeout) itself is the main effect, so it doesn't have to reach six weeks, three months etc. If there was a timeout mute status, this is the one I'd suggest instead of the ban to get the effect I'm mentioning. Actually slapping him is the main point, not making him a complete outcast kicked out of the community.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on March 25, 2014, 02:18:20 pm
Let me tell you something about this case: I've dealt with Trinitronity not just in the general forum as most of you as normal user, also (and especially) I've to deal with him in Requests as moderator, and VERY especially in "does this thing exist?" thread, which I had to moderate him not just in derails like many of you did (since users to admins), but in annoying stuff for the thread as his constant bumps (at least one per page) and huges pyramid quotes (which most of them are also bumps).
I said in good manners, in bad manners, even I edited his posts, and nothing of that works since he got back with the same shit everytime, he got a warning in the morning and in the night he's again doing the same thing. 3 days, 1 month, 6 months, a year, a century, a millenium... it doesn't matter since a temporary ban won't work, he'll never understand and will go back to do the same things over and over again, and we'll see the same complains in few more weeks (if not next week). So yeah, ban him, and I hope this time is permanent.
And about Jape, there's no need even to talk about him, just permaban. Unless you want him to troll again next year as he did with Venezuela's thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 25, 2014, 02:32:38 pm
um, do you have any standards for permabanning at all lol
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 25, 2014, 03:13:44 pm
You guys need to realize, permabans are only in extreme cases. Last guy I permabanned was because he was about 5x worse than Jape and was doing it for 2 years, after coming back from a previous formerly permanent ban.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 25, 2014, 03:56:08 pm
i'm so glad basara and shinzakuro aren't staff members
A single "I hope no one got hurt" in an discussion about a civil war seems pretty tame to me.
Edit - I should point out I haven't seen much of his other posts. I'm just talking about that one. Other posts from him might be more aggressive, I don't know.
from his recent posts that was his most "offensive" one
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 25, 2014, 06:09:12 pm
why are you all tripping over yourselves on what should be done about trinitronity, even suggesting wasting valodim's scarce guild time on a mod to limit his posting when there are much more important matters he could attend to first. just keep banning him for longer time periods, jesus.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 25, 2014, 06:16:39 pm
Installing a pre existing mod should take less than 5 minutes. It's something we've needed back in our arsenal for a while anyway. If Val is too busy, or simply never responds to my question then we'll just go the ban longer route.
I'd already messaged him before you said anything so might as well see if he even responds to it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 25, 2014, 06:21:50 pm
If I remember correctly, those mods we had back then, with various warning levels (verbal and visual warning with no effect, probation mode with limited posting, mute, ban, something like that), were for the old software and they weren't compatible when Val switched, that's why they never came back in the first place. I might be mistaken of course.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 25, 2014, 06:31:14 pm
He replied back saying there is one he could implement. Said he was headed home so he'd have to do it tomorrow at Uni. So we'll see :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 25, 2014, 07:15:38 pm
unsolved threads being on top in the help forums is a far more pressing issue than needing a mod because trinitronity's posts need to be limited because this is the staff's plan to turn him into the best poster. this is a waste of time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 25, 2014, 07:24:08 pm
You're a waste of time!!! >:-[ I've already talked to Val about the solved topics issue and he had said he'd have to manually fix that. So that means it probably won't happen anytime soon.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on March 25, 2014, 07:31:02 pm
I'm sure the mod to limit posts would be useful for more than just one person.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 25, 2014, 07:35:44 pm
here are other wastes of valodim's time that would be better than a mod for one user (and statistically speaking one more user during the rest of the year) http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/skype-id-anyone-151532.0.html replace the msn field with skype field http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1910510 3ds friend code implementation seems botched http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1910552 deviantart and steam fields don't like dashes or underscores http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1904383 this thread list botch is still possible as far as i know the smiley list is still mostly unusable. this doesn't even need a thread link.
priorities
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 25, 2014, 07:40:48 pm
And I have talked to Valodim about all of those things. (well not the deviantart thing, I hadn't seen it but yeah)
Installing a pre existing mod is quicker and easier than doing any of those other things.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 26, 2014, 06:40:26 pm
A single "I hope no one got hurt" in an discussion about a civil war seems pretty tame to me.
Edit - I should point out I haven't seen much of his other posts. I'm just talking about that one. Other posts from him might be more aggressive, I don't know.
from his recent posts that was his most "offensive" one
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 29, 2014, 01:48:58 am
Was waiting to see which one he wanted to keep. Done
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 29, 2014, 02:54:30 am
i just checked trinitronity's post history and pulled some numbers. he had 12 posts on sunday, 28 on saturday, 32 on friday, 18 on thursday, 4 on wednesday and 3 on tuesday. limiting his posts to 20 is laughable
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 29, 2014, 04:31:07 am
It´s like an invitation for continue derailing topics. 20 is too much, I think 10 posts should be a good limitation.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 29, 2014, 04:39:53 am
That was Iced's number! I was suggesting 8-10! Which I guess would still be a bit much :P
Will drop it down to 6.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 29, 2014, 06:21:34 am
this is kinda weird and unneeded when we can just ban him again when he derails. but whatever works
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on March 29, 2014, 09:29:51 am
I think the point is more of a "long-term goal" than just banning. You can keep banning him, but most likely he won't learn anything and he'll still derail whenever he gets back. If you give him limited posts, he'll learn pretty quickly that he has to make every post count.
Either that or he'll telegraph his arguments and resume them the next day, BUT I WANT TO BE OPTIMISTIC, DAMMIT
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 29, 2014, 06:40:03 pm
the idea was to give him a lifebar that he could know how well he was doing instead of just banning him, the 20 would quickly drop to 10 next time he did something bad, dunno why the rush with lowering his lifebar if the next derail would have lowered it .
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on March 29, 2014, 06:47:48 pm
The idea of a limiter is to limit. By limiting to 20 you're not really limiting him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 29, 2014, 06:50:11 pm
yeah he had already been banned before so i figured he would be in his best behaviour at first, if he kept acting up then he would be further limited
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on March 30, 2014, 03:24:50 am
@ Cyan's comment on making the most out of the new mod tool : Dorothymon is clumsy and oblivious but he's never close to disruptive, and unlike Trynitro, he doesn't hold on to being wrong like a pitbull to an old lady's hip and doesn't end up getting aggressive about it by being overly defensive, he's mostly just a one liner of being oblivious and then moves on to something else, I wouldn't say it warrants a posting limit. It's just a matter of education, the kind a forum can't bring at all, so he's just going to be one of those weird little children that don't do much but stay around.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on March 30, 2014, 04:33:43 am
Ok, Ume is becoming one of my fav mods now
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 30, 2014, 04:53:07 am
basically,if you bring dora into it, then peopel are going to suggest to use it on segatron, uche, videoman and a few other guys who also tend to make those kind of posts and who end up being disruptive because of bumping topics or being told off by other users. I say we leave them out of the post limit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 30, 2014, 04:59:39 am
Yeah. Post limit is just an alternative to banning. Those users have not been warned. And Dor wasn't on the table for a ban due to his posts. Trin wasn't actively trying to be disruptive. I don't believe so anyway. He just didn't get it. Post limit is to help those that can't seem to hold themselves back do so. The hope is that if they risk wasting a post they will not be able to talk about real mugen related issues.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 30, 2014, 05:10:04 am
trin already improved from the times when he tried telling jokes an got angry at people not laughing at them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on March 30, 2014, 05:12:15 am
Yeah but in IMT he says he's quitting here, so I guess he rather quits than learning how to be a better user
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 30, 2014, 05:20:09 am
He can deal with this in whatever way he wants. Let´s not antagonize him for whatever decision he takes.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 30, 2014, 05:24:46 am
uh cmon man. find it yourself instead of having it broadcasted here. do you really care that much?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 30, 2014, 05:32:26 am
I couldn't find it when I checked IMT. Seriously dude, no need to bite my head off.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 30, 2014, 05:33:18 am
Who would have thought Trinitronity would be the one to turn us all against each other!!! Posted: March 30, 2014, 05:38:40 am I found Navana there. I couldn't find Trin either. Oh well.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on March 30, 2014, 05:49:34 am
He said it in the chatbox, I can copy/paste it here, but IDK, I don't see the point
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 30, 2014, 05:59:06 am
IMT confirmed as the new Infantry? :shocked3:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 30, 2014, 06:00:15 am
He said it in the chatbox, I can copy/paste it here, but IDK, I don't see the point
You have been cursed to post something since you brought it up so I don´t know...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on March 30, 2014, 06:03:21 am
No, Jesus Christ guys, just drop all this.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on March 30, 2014, 06:10:59 am
i say we give a post limit to that guy iced becasue everytime he posts hell breaks loose.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 30, 2014, 06:27:04 am
Edward should be limited to 100 posts perday.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: c001357 on March 30, 2014, 08:34:16 am
the real lesson here is that self limiting your posts is a good way of staying out of trouble
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Trinitronity on March 30, 2014, 08:35:10 am
W-wait, I didn't expect my post at IMT to hit THAT hard. It's not like I want to quit MFG forever. I just want to take a break of it, that's all. Which, of course, I will do after my video problems are solved, and during that time, I will still post release threads.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 30, 2014, 08:37:07 am
it didnt hit hard at all. in the end nobody cares whether you leave or stay. its up to you to earn that respect.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on March 31, 2014, 02:52:11 am
Can something be done about SD already?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 31, 2014, 02:58:43 am
He didn't really step out of line from what I saw. Not really any need for mod intervention, especially since it seems like it's dying down.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 31, 2014, 02:59:52 am
I know what this is about (and I know it's been more than just recent situation), but this one's not on him tbh (at least this time). There was no reason for Xhom to respond to him considering S.D. didn't even say anything that could be interpreted as bait.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on March 31, 2014, 03:16:58 am
What's with the blind crusade against Dio anyways? The one who is out of line in that thread is Xhominid.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 31, 2014, 03:18:49 am
i have to agree here, dio barely said anything out of line, the xhominid guy is the one being overbearing
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on March 31, 2014, 03:21:58 am
Here I thought SD did something in a different thread. Yeah this was all on Xhominid. (assuming we are talking about the SF4 thread)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on March 31, 2014, 03:24:00 am
What's with the blind crusade against Dio anyways? The one who is out of line in that thread is Xhominid.
I guess not many people like how he´s quite rough in its comments at times. In the thread the one that was derailing the topic was Xhominid.
He can be a little over the top at times (especially with Uche, videoman, etc) but that´s his way of saying things.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on March 31, 2014, 03:26:14 am
^ This pretty much.
He does give off an intimidating & antagonizing impression, but he's actually quite reasonable when people aren't posting dumb shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 31, 2014, 05:39:07 am
there are times when sd is a bit excessive on people that are posting dumb shit, but this isn't one of those times. the last time a moderator yelled at him was because he called someone dumb. hopefully the next time he's brought up it's because of something legitimate and not because "Well he called me silly"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on March 31, 2014, 06:21:29 am
A bit?? Seriously?? He treats almost everyone (but his friends) as shit for saying less, I still don't get why some of you are still defending him (friends, I suppose). Luckily for me, I got him in ignore list, so I don't worried anymore.
But yeah, all of you are right this time, he's not the target now... Xhominid derailed the thead in this time, I hope the message JNP gave him in that thread were enough to stop his behavior
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 31, 2014, 06:29:31 am
i'd say report the sd posts you find excessively offensive but you're not even seeing his latest posts. is there any point to your post other than to say "im ignoring him LOL"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 31, 2014, 06:29:37 am
i'd say report the sd posts you find excessively offensive but you're not even seeing his latest posts. is there any point to your post other than to say "im ignoring him LOL"
Why should I see his posts anyway?? There's a reason why he's in my ignore list, you know
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 31, 2014, 06:39:02 am
it's pointless for you to come here saying He is a shits!! I have him posts on ignored! when we're discussing his current posts (something you're not seeing)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: S.D. on March 31, 2014, 06:40:09 am
All I did was call him out on how he was being extremely unreasonable and aggressive (Also repeating himself over and over through a handful of pages), DKDC and Jmorphman's points went over his head too and it irked me how he replies to DKDC's posts (DKDC had no reason whatsoever to be polite, not after Xhominid's terrible replies)
So what's your main problem, concern or point you were trying to make, QuickFist? Are you talking about a recent post in particular?
He can be a little over the top at times (especially with Uche, videoman, etc) but that´s his way of saying things.
I don't think "way of saying things" is quite right (It makes it sound like because of that it should be acceptable or a standard) but I do tend to have a very low tolerance for people being unreasonable/self-entitled ("Crapcom OWES ME this character in USF4, they're so lazy!") or overly oblivious to a point where you can't honestly tell if they're sarcastic or they (seriously) have a mental condition (Yeah, those guys). I do understand it can be sometimes disruptive and it derails threads (That also irks me and again, that's why I called Xhomid out in the USF4 thread because hey, if people call me out when I'm being disruptive why can't I do the same when other people are being disruptive?) so I assure you I've been thinking twice before hitting the reply button though!
I don't see how can Basara agree with the situation if he hasn't read said posts other than, as titiln said, post a "im ignoring him LOL" but hey, whatever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 31, 2014, 06:45:13 am
From what I understand, he's getting sick and tired of how you post and suffer fools poorly. Not really much else.
I think I'd rather hear what he has to say, he brought this up (He's been bringing up a lot of stuff lately) so I expect him to take full responsibility of his post and write an elaborate reason as to why he came up with this other than "Can we do something about X member"?Don't help him, that's cheating, now he'll just say "Yeah uh.. what he said."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on March 31, 2014, 07:24:19 am
Whatever works. He's brought you up to me behind closed doors at least once, so I felt I was in a reasonable position to speak up.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
I'm a nice guy, helping people like that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on March 31, 2014, 07:29:10 am
@S.D.: Ok, as CAN said, it really gets on my nerves how you (not always) treat people like shit, ok they may be posting stupid things or being disruptive, whatever, but that doesn't mean you can treat them like shit and as you were superior to them. And I believe that's not how someone should behave in a forum, a community.
But after reading your post, I see that you realize and admit that you are indeed aggresive sometimes and have low tolerance against (shit/dumb) posters, so I apologize for being kind of a jerk with you, I take it back, but I'd really like if you handled dumb posters in another way.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on March 31, 2014, 07:31:55 am
Well, Dio has been warned about his behavior already and as far as I can tell has not had another incident regarding it, you bringing up that he treated users like shit before and something should be done about him is really out of place since he was doing nothing of the sort.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 31, 2014, 07:35:35 am
when people post dumb shit they're called out on it. if it's not by dio it's by 100 other people. just report the instances in which the replies are completely disproportionate (like a You should kill your family and yourself, you're a waste of space and a moronic shithead reply to someone saying Where is Goku in Smash Brother's) when they come up instead of bringing them up vaguely here
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on March 31, 2014, 07:36:52 am
Allright, will do, lesson learned. Sorry again SD
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: S.D. on March 31, 2014, 07:38:30 am
I'd rather read your reason for bringing this up over someone else's interpretation. I was just confused since, as some other people mentioned before, Xhominid was the one going over the line and I only posted two messages that weren't disrupting at all so it really seemed out of place.
I'm glad you cleared that up and you don't really have to apologize.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 31, 2014, 08:00:56 am
the way i see it is shin dio, titiln and tempest are the power rangers of smacking down dumb posts and without their guiding forces this forum would be overrun by the masses of evil
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 31, 2014, 11:59:54 am
they are obviously failing if they made YOU a mod.
#rekt
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on March 31, 2014, 12:14:58 pm
the way i see it is shin dio, titiln and tempest are the power rangers of smacking down dumb posts and without their guiding forces this forum would be overrun by the masses of evil
Uche, Drewski, Segabot, Trini and that doraemon guy are finally a full team. Now is just a matter of time before they take over the forum. Nothing you can do about that :V
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on March 31, 2014, 05:39:27 pm
they are obviously failing if they made YOU a mod.
#rekt
i dont understand the joke
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 31, 2014, 05:52:21 pm
I dont either but like every iced post you gotta just smile and thank him for being such a swell guy
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on March 31, 2014, 05:55:50 pm
aw shucks
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on March 31, 2014, 05:59:51 pm
I think its time for your meds gramps
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Erroratu on March 31, 2014, 07:11:23 pm
Don't forget to feed the invisible baby while you're at it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on April 01, 2014, 02:32:19 pm
Just dropping in to say whoever idea it was to turn the CotM/CotY star into a trophy; You're awesome.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on April 01, 2014, 02:54:32 pm
Yeah, it actually stands out and it's pretty cool, usually when it's all stars you don't pay much attention and you don't realize they're here. The trophies are very noticeable. Posted: April 01, 2014, 02:57:48 pm
Iced in Changes regarding financing DO NOT PANIC said:
Valodim will be our main liason
It was almost believable except for that line, it's common knowledge that Valodim doesn't do much, you went too far and pulled the rope too much, man.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 01, 2014, 05:32:00 pm
I assume the new bots will use the segabot code so people think they are real people.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DMK on April 01, 2014, 05:34:09 pm
I want Mountain Dew and Doritos icons instead of stars
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on April 01, 2014, 09:15:31 pm
AdminBot in Announcement: New moderation system! ADMINBOT LOVES YOU said:
HELLO CITIZENS. PLEASE DO NOT BE ALARMED. I AM HERE TO PROTECT AND SERVE. OBEY THE RULES AND THERE WILL BE NO PROBLEMS.
AND REMEMBER, DO THE DEW!
For starters, don't post in capslock, it's obnoxious !
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on April 01, 2014, 09:17:48 pm
I'll try and adjust the settings.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: QuickFist on April 02, 2014, 02:14:13 am
About the Stage of the Month thing, I say quarterly, that way there'll be a lot more material for the awards
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: RadBot i on April 02, 2014, 03:13:22 am
RadBot here, after my upgrades I came up with way to keep this trivial matter organized. Due to the numerous amounts of stages it would make sense for entries to be more exclusive if the competition is going to be quarterly. Users should enter only if they desire to, no nominations nor multiple entries, you enter one stage to be allowed into the competition and a small number of users would review it and allow it to be entered into the poll. If quarterly that would limit only 3 users to having the award, so let the winners be third, second, and first place. This way there would be 3 winners for every quarter, allowing for 12 competitors for stage of the year, the same number character of the year shall normally have.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Snakebyte on April 02, 2014, 02:52:30 pm
I told you SotQ was the way to go.
Y u no listen? ._.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 02, 2014, 03:42:57 pm
ugh the adbots left trash everywhere, should we delete their posts whole?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 02, 2014, 04:11:35 pm
Compile their posts into a mega thread, store that somewhere like 2011's joke?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on April 02, 2014, 04:31:29 pm
Don't forget to rename the thread to "Never do this again" and make it private
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 02, 2014, 04:39:09 pm
how about we rename it to "because you fucks had better ideas right" and make it a global sticky and linked in the banner
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 02, 2014, 04:41:47 pm
Goh wrote like, half the material we used.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 02, 2014, 04:42:36 pm
then why is he admitting defeat. weakling
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on April 02, 2014, 09:00:25 pm
Wow GOH you suck
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 02, 2014, 09:02:21 pm
Just like his writing.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on April 02, 2014, 11:35:34 pm
Man you really got me there sick burn how will I live
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DMK on April 02, 2014, 11:38:31 pm
Time for the exit bag man. its the only way to keep your honor
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 02, 2014, 11:51:11 pm
I personally laughed my ass off at the adbots, kudos goh.
As did I. It was definitely the most entertaining/worthwhile joke done yesterday. Everything else was pretty lack luster imo. Yeah, kudos to GOH and everyone else involved with the adbot prank. It was definitely funny. Don't get rid of RadBot i though. He was a cool, crude bot with attitude. He even got an upgrade!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 03, 2014, 12:59:17 am
the best thing about this year's joke was that segabot and omegabot finally got some companions that are on their same intellectual/AI level but the sad thing is that it only lasted a day, oh well.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on April 03, 2014, 01:05:31 am
I wish we kept the bots for a bit longer.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on April 03, 2014, 01:06:53 am
Yeah, but I think the on switch broke or something. :c
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on April 03, 2014, 01:12:31 am
the best thing about this year's joke was that segabot and omegabot finally got some companions that are on their same intellectual/AI level but the sad thing is that it only lasted a day, oh well.
The AdBots were funnier and weren't unbelievably cringeworthy, so +1 to them.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on April 03, 2014, 01:13:42 am
AdminBot should have been more active :V
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on April 03, 2014, 01:16:46 am
We had to deactivate AdminBot several times because he was trying to ban people for nothing. Sorry.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: GOH on April 03, 2014, 01:18:00 am
You wasted an opportunity to create your very own Internet forum Ultron you dumbface
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 03, 2014, 01:21:06 am
You wasted an opportunity to create your very own Internet forum Ultron you dumbface
I was actually going for more of a RoboCop type deal with AdminBot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on April 03, 2014, 01:34:25 am
Should have had him ban the other adbots after they didn't follow his orders.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on April 03, 2014, 01:35:41 am
We discussed him actually banning people, but that wouldn't be cool to a normal user, then briefly considered him banning me, but I dunno AdminBot was just not as fun as the AdBots were so it got dropped.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 03, 2014, 01:55:37 am
We had to deactivate AdminBot several times because he was trying to ban people for nothing. Sorry.
you forgot to turn off segabot, uchebot, omegabot and videobot.
A single bot that consisted of the behavior of these guys + trini and drewski would've been a much better April fools idea than what was done yesterday.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 03, 2014, 02:08:23 am
Mocking people would be better than joking around.. Sounds great guys. So what did you do yesterday?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bea on April 03, 2014, 02:16:09 am
The bots didn't make me cringe like most other April Fools pranks, so good job there.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 03, 2014, 02:28:38 am
i have to give props to rednavi for at least proposing his own idea of an april fools (even though it was a bad one) unlike most people that say it was shit and offer no ideas
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on April 03, 2014, 02:31:54 am
Can I propose the following idea : don't do an April Fool ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on April 03, 2014, 02:33:35 am
^ That would be nice.
It was... a weird but really well executed idea for April Fools. Some bots posted gold comedy comments and all that but I won´t say anything since I didn´t have a better idea anyways. Maybe for next year.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on April 03, 2014, 02:46:02 am
i have to give props to rednavi for at least proposing his own idea of an april fools (even though it was a bad one) unlike most people that say it was shit and offer no ideas
You're saying that as if I wasn't aware of how bad the idea was :V
I would definitely keep radbot though, he was rad.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 03, 2014, 02:47:03 am
i guess "there's no joke" being the joke would be a good meta joke because people expect a joke in this site at this point
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on April 03, 2014, 02:48:40 am
Genius!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 03, 2014, 04:36:41 am
Can I propose the following idea : don't do an April Fool ?
great idea! and while we're at it we can chnage your name to NO FUN ALLOWED! [avatar]http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb404/Bastard-Wolf/other/nofun.jpg[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on April 03, 2014, 04:40:19 am
I'm offended by the question and refuse to answer.
my bad i somewhat misunderstood what you originally said as if "he was turning into something like robocop" hence my question. pardon my dyslexia
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on April 03, 2014, 04:56:47 am
I expected a change in the forum as past years (something like DDR and Le Guild), but the bots surprised me and was a good joke. But in the end they were unbearable at the point of becoming the character I go---BOTS ARE ENEMIES OF THE DALEKS, THEY MUST BE EXTERMINATED!! EXTERMINATE, ELIMINATE, DESTROY!!!!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on April 03, 2014, 04:58:45 am
THEY WERE ONLY SUPERIOR TO US IN ONE ASPECT
THEY WERE BETTER AT DYING
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 03, 2014, 06:09:39 am
how about we rename it to "because you fucks had better ideas right" and make it a global sticky and linked in the banner
There isn't really much to work with on a forum with limited access to layout/image/site changes so good job.
I can't tell if this is sincere lol
I'm not to surprised it wasn't mindblowing, cause yeah we had no access to Val. I originally proposed the idea of sponsorship/marketing all over the forum but I didn't really put forth any detail on it, just advertisements all over lol. Then we let it sit for a coupkle weeks and at the last minute began arguing about how to do it, and eventually Jmorph Iced and I came to an agreement on how to do it. Unfortunately things looked pretty bleak because nobody but Iced was doing anything but then coolest saved the day by pretty much starting the whole thing alone and me, xan, jmorph and iced (and SUPPOSEDLY person man) picked up the slack from there. so thats how we did it. i wrote the financial announcement btw but i cringe everytime i look at it cause theres a millions of more credible ways i couldve done it lmao
oh and the mfg team tag idea was actually separate too lol
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on April 03, 2014, 06:14:03 am
It was purposely ambiguous.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 03, 2014, 06:15:52 am
i'll take what i can get with you, so thanks
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 04, 2014, 10:04:53 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/your-releases-older-mugen.309 So Arachno-Man has 7 threads of stages at the time of this post (likely just quick Cybaster's tool stages but that's irrelevant) on page 1. I think we should just merge all of his threads to one and keep him from making so many threads. It's not a HUGE issue but it pushes a lot of things out of the way.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on April 05, 2014, 12:03:47 am
To add, it's the second time he does it.
Also, didn't we (we=you) do something to those who made these kind of stages (like AnimaniacsFan)?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 08, 2014, 04:40:15 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1941843 the automatic post merging feature has to go, or the checkbox deactivated by default. from what i've seen it's mostly an annoyance than something helpful
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on April 08, 2014, 04:41:34 pm
^^ THIS!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 08, 2014, 04:54:16 pm
also if little jimmy wants to be annoying and make a bunch of posts in a row or bump his request topic, he can simply deactivate the box. with neocargalpha it's the 4th case i've seen of someone being inconvenienced by the feature, other cases including people posting game news and wip updates and going unnoticed. manually activating it is useful in some cases, but it should be off by default
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 08, 2014, 05:12:29 pm
it has been shifted so that its unchecked by default if the last post was over two days ago. can someone test it?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on April 08, 2014, 05:19:27 pm
Just checked. On a topic I just replied to, the box is there and checked. On an older topic I last replied to, the box is.... not there at all, and I can double-post. I can't willingly merge though.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 08, 2014, 05:21:48 pm
kindof an improvement, imo.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 14, 2014, 07:13:44 am
it's also worth noting that helliori posted erect dicks under a spoiler tag with no nsfw warning and is also ironically being a homophobic shithead in general in the spanish thread
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 14, 2014, 07:58:04 am
http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/elregresodelostroles1-84017 I...don't think this is human. I almost want to say it's actually a bot, but I have no confirmation. Stopforumspam has no name hits.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on April 14, 2014, 08:04:03 am
JMM already took care of him/it. Whether him/it makes another account is something else.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 14, 2014, 08:07:34 am
thats a bot, 6 entries for its ip in stopforumspam
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on April 14, 2014, 08:10:11 am
I guess we will never know how to get such fine products like 56uhn56u578om78h567jh56 :(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 14, 2014, 08:10:32 am
Not much of a loss. :3
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shwa on April 20, 2014, 09:49:20 am
Regarding the whole Saohc deal:
Jmorphman said:
Or wait, we have post limitations now... hmm. Maybe that's the best option. He'll still be able to work on his AI topic and what not, and have to avoid doing any woe is me crap if he wants to keep being able to do that. And if he still keeps it up then we could ban him. Or we could just ban him now, I can't muster up a compelling case for either option.
If post limitations are basically a daily limit, I'd recommend a limit of three posts per day for about two weeks as a warning in itself. Should problems persist, a two month ban to reflect upon things. I feel this is the best way to not hinder with pertinent action like progress on his own works and replying to inquiries regarding them, restricting him from going on his attention seeking antics.
At least, that's my two cents.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on April 20, 2014, 01:15:05 pm
The thing is that he's already played the "I was trolling, and now I'm over it" card, so I don't think it's going to persist. The damage (shitposting) has already been done. If his posts get limited, chances are, they'll just be his usual posting style, only limited, and it won't go further than that as a punishment.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 20, 2014, 01:17:45 pm
im kinda with byakko here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 20, 2014, 06:52:30 pm
a 3 days ban is good not because he will care too much about not being able to post for 3 days, but because it opens the door for a longer ban if he repeats the offense.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 20, 2014, 06:58:19 pm
post limitation would be appropriate if this was the first time he did this, which clearly it is not
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Trinitronity on April 27, 2014, 08:46:09 am
Excuse me, but why does Drewski don't get any warnings at all? I mean, just look at the Soul Calibut thrad by CvS Artist. He behaved like an ass. Shouldn't he get at least a verbal warning?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on April 27, 2014, 08:58:36 am
not really (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/soul-calibur-159147.0.html)
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
If it was so bad, people would have noticed or someone would have reported it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on April 27, 2014, 09:00:54 am
If you feel like he's out of line, please report his posts. That's how the forum works. :I
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on April 27, 2014, 09:01:26 am
because drewski is secretly a genius
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on April 27, 2014, 09:03:47 am
Well yes there's that. He's also a secret admin too.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on April 27, 2014, 12:26:22 pm
Excuse me, but why does Drewski don't get any warnings at all? I mean, just look at the Soul Calibut thrad by CvS Artist. He behaved like an ass. Shouldn't he get at least a verbal warning?
So saying the truth is "behaving like an ass"? Wow.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Trinitronity on April 27, 2014, 12:57:58 pm
Wait, what he said, was the truth? He still could have had elaborated on his qualms, though.
Looking at the topic, it may be the truth that it's a Goddess Athena edit, but it's also incredibly obvious. I mean, the guy is making a character that doesn't exist anywhere, so it has to be one of two things : either it's a completely new character and he's drawing or editing the sprites from nothing, or he's just doing some edits to an existing character and creating new moves at best. So yes, pointing that out with this insistence is just fucking stupid and insulting.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on April 27, 2014, 01:06:03 pm
It's drewski, he's special just like uche so we often just ignore them at this point lol
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 27, 2014, 08:05:29 pm
well, the topic creator did not post a picture so he was begging for a post like that one.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Mgbenz on April 27, 2014, 10:01:47 pm
I don't see how drewski was being an ass. He was just telling the truth (in his own special drewski way).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Saikoro on April 27, 2014, 11:43:29 pm
Saikoro, it's an edited character as in it's based on Athena, but it's not an edit of someone else's character.
That... reads redundant to me. I see it as it's an edit that is not an edit.
And that was most likely locked (without looking at the mod history) by C.v.S. Artist. He/She/It/Whatever pulls that kind of shit all of the time, most likely because replies that were expected were not attained. Go figure.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 28, 2014, 12:09:08 am
its edited sprites, not a character that was already made and edited.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 28, 2014, 12:10:45 am
iced your avatars are fucking distracting in serious conversations lmao
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on April 28, 2014, 12:11:35 am
Edited SNKP sprites. Not edited mugen character.
He didn't search for a Goddess Athena mugen character that was already made and edited it. He took the sprites and with a base (I bet it's KFM by DivineWolf) he started to code his own character. I don't know if I made myself clear.
Lots of ninjas here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on April 28, 2014, 12:15:04 am
People have the right to lock their own threads if they don't want feedback.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 28, 2014, 12:19:05 am
its edited sprites, not a character that was already made and edited.
I get it. It's just that with the way it's typed out, it sounded odd.
And yes, that fucking Cat Avatar is a riot. I sat here one day at work hitting F5 about 45 times and laughing at A: how truly funny that is and B: I only got about 5 repeat images. How many do you have all together??
People have the right to lock their own threads if they don't want feedback.
Totally true. But, uh, isn't the point of a forum to get feedback in the first place!? That does not compute with me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 28, 2014, 12:24:32 am
it's fun because if he had posted one picture of the character he released or linked properly to the youtube video drewski's reply would not have happenned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on April 28, 2014, 12:24:42 am
Of course the point of a forum is to get the opinion of people through discussion and feedback but you can´t force someone to follow the standard.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 28, 2014, 12:27:18 am
>:C
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
(http://i.imgur.com/IuB2PNO.jpg)
you cant force someone to get feedback in the same way you cant force them to follow it. All you can do is make sure that in an effort to bump his own threads back up he isnt unfairly taking away other people's release time.
That sudo gangster group with the grafitti art had a thread up as the first thread on the board for months until we realized they were sending in people to bump it back up whenever any other thread got above theirs.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on April 28, 2014, 12:28:14 am
it's fun because if he had posted one picture of the character he released or linked properly to the youtube video drewski's reply would not have happenned.
I highly doubt that. As he among some others are known for stating the obvious. Still, I don't think it was wrong of him to say it. Reiterating it though was unnecessary, though no big deal either way.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on April 28, 2014, 12:51:41 am
It's just that with the way it's typed out, it sounded odd.
Hum, it's only odd if you don't know what types of edits there are and why the edit section was even created. It's not a section created for characters that are edited in the sense of Rikard's creations or some Orochi violent Vega SSJ35. It's a section for when you edit someone else's work to add or change stuff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on April 28, 2014, 01:43:18 am
iced your avatars are fucking distracting in serious conversations lmao
dont catshame me.
My meowl is cuter than your cat.
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That sudo gangster group with the grafitti art had a thread up as the first thread on the board for months until we realized they were sending in people to bump it back up whenever any other thread got above theirs.
Thats not entirely true.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on April 28, 2014, 02:20:44 am
sudo gangster group with the grafitti art had a thread up as the first thread on the board for months until we realized they were sending in people to bump it back up whenever any other thread got above theirs.
and MOT's old group is relevant to right now because....?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on April 28, 2014, 02:55:36 am
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All you can do is make sure that in an effort to bump his own threads back up he isnt unfairly taking away other people's release time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on April 28, 2014, 03:03:12 am
and MOT's old group is relevant to right now because....?
do you even try to look for context
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on April 29, 2014, 07:33:17 am
Hey, if you guys are looking for another user to put a post limit on, I have a suggestion (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1953164)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on April 29, 2014, 08:06:15 am
Isn't he already on one, or was it deemed too excessive.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on April 29, 2014, 10:46:15 am
Oh shoot, didn't read the staff thread, whoops :(
Now that I'm reading it, though, it makes sense that his last posts have been walls of texts; he's trying to deliver the same bullshit in fewer posts.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on April 29, 2014, 05:02:09 pm
Can I suggest something?? For extreme cases, I think the post limit should be 1-2 post per day, or 6-7 per week, as an ultimate case before a possible ban or something
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on April 29, 2014, 05:12:20 pm
The post limit is mostly for repeat users that are not really breaking rules. They just don't know how to moderate themselves well. And in an effort to protect them from hurting themselves more (getting banned a lot till infinity), we limit the damage they may cause themselves so they may still contribute to the mugen side of the forums.
It should be used rarely. It'd be too easy to abuse otherwise.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on April 29, 2014, 07:37:36 pm
id like to introduce the 2014 series mfg necrobump response badge
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
(http://i.imgur.com/1ylKcnC.png)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Nanashi_1337 on May 05, 2014, 02:04:01 pm
One thing, if Yamcha8 is truly Goku6, then he's probably going to start spamming the Development Help with tons of questions that could be resolved with "Read the MUGEN tutorials", and same with PMs. He did the same as Goku6, and I remember that he even managed to annoy Cyanide.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: XGargoyle on May 05, 2014, 03:54:39 pm
I am starting to believe Yamcha8 is actually an 8 years old kid. His previous account was Goku6 and it was created 2 years ago, so he was probably 6 then.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on May 06, 2014, 10:26:59 am
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1956590
I talked to him (via PMs) in italian and... well... he asked those silly questions again. I told him to send me only one PM, he sent me two or three, I told him how to do something, he didn't understand basic stuff and kept asking with two or three PMs when I told him to send me just one; he is just like you see him in the forum, he doesn't understand English that well (and Italian, I told him to send me a PM and he continued to send three PM! I told him to read the docs and he didn't even look at those. Yeah, he is ignorant and acts like a stupid child). Sometimes it seems he understands but then he starts asking other stupid stuff: the problem is that he doesn't read the docs, thus he will continue asking silly stuff. He doesn't want to learn, he just wants the codes. If he learnt, he would be able to understand what is an animation, what are some codes, what are the debug keys, how to play a winpose animation when you lose (it's more or less the same code I showed him about in his "life auto loss" topic where he asked another thing, totally unrelated to the topic; he just had to change some numbers), why some things are impossible to do in Mugen etc. .
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on May 06, 2014, 01:53:13 pm
Thank you! How could I forget YOU speak Italian?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on May 06, 2014, 02:01:59 pm
Abusing the usage of PMs, double-accounting, lacks overall forum etiquette... I think a 3 day ban is warranted.
He's either a kid or mentally off in some way, but revoking PMing rights isn't gonna send the message.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on May 06, 2014, 04:28:54 pm
probably a several years long ban is necessary since it's been hinted that he is like 8-10 years old and the license agreement says you have to be over 13.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on May 06, 2014, 05:32:11 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1956365
Fourth time this user make a request thread, it was adviced before and he's still making them. I already merged them, but I think a global mod or an admin is the right one to make him a warning via PM or something. I made a report already, but I guess would better to be discussed here
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 06, 2014, 06:14:12 pm
i believe the rule needs to be revised. people aren't allowed to make more than one request thread to prevent one user from having like 3 request threads in the first couple pages, taking away space from others in the first pages (because people usually don't look beyond the first page). his last request was five months ago. i don't think there's any harm if he has a new thread
that said it's obvious this guy isn't listening to any warnings so he should be talked to
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on May 06, 2014, 06:36:55 pm
I was never a big fan of having a single thread , if anything it makes some things more confusing, akin to having a single thread in the help forums.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 06, 2014, 06:46:02 pm
it is kind of ridiculous to tell users "no you have to find your old thread in page 12 and bump it instead of making a new one"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on May 06, 2014, 07:33:51 pm
I agree with that. Back when any thread created there automatically merged into 1 thread it was a good rule. In fact you couldn't break it. But now it's really outdated.
I updated that rule
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One Thread per Person on Page 1 Do not create more than 1 request thread if you still have a request thread on the 1st page. In that instance you should bump your old thread with the new material you are requesting.
@Dalek Basara: Now that the rules have changed if that user creates 2 threads on page 1 report him and I'll limit his access to the board.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on May 06, 2014, 08:45:42 pm
JNP, the guy you're discussing banning at the moment in the warning thread, people aren't pushing for him to be banned just because of stupidity, but because he's disruptive. He's insulting people who try to help him, he's spamming with questions and doesn't bother with the responses, and he spams PMs. That's disruptive, if you think otherwise then I don't know what you'd consider disruptive beside spamming porn and virus links and whatnot. The mods asking for a ban aren't asking to ban stupidity, it's just that in some cases, stupidity means disruptive.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on May 06, 2014, 08:55:12 pm
I know. The worst insult I'd read is calling someone stupid. Granted calling someone that is trying to help you stupid is pretty far worse than most other insults for any other reasons.
We all seem to agree he won't be getting better because he won't listen or learn from feedbacks or mod warnings. I just want to know if we are prepared to remove him from the forums completely because his "stupidity is so disruptive" or if we should just greatly limit him here because he seems like he's just a super young kid or something and not someone doing this on purpose.
If the staff agrees hes too disruptive to worry about limitations then so be it. He can fall into the normal ban extension routine till he's gone.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on May 06, 2014, 08:59:29 pm
I know. The worst insult I'd read is calling someone stupid. Granted calling someone that is trying to help you stupid is pretty far worse than most other insults for any other reasons.
Yes, that. If he's allowed to post questions, and people answer them, only to get called stupid in return, that's really shitty, and I don't think the staff should allow regular users to be exposed to that.
because he seems like he's just a super young kid or something and not someone doing this on purpose.
Well, even if he's "not someone doing it on purpose", if he's a young kid, then he really shouldn't be here, either...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on May 06, 2014, 09:09:25 pm
Just to check, I went to register a new account. Last time I made one for the test account I saw the "I read this and wish to register and am younger than 12 years old"
This time I clicked it. It said users under 12 are not allowed to register. For some reason I remembered it taking you to some consent thing for parents long ago.
So, yes. You are right. Users under 12 are not allowed to register here. So I guess that convinces me we should just stick with the ban increases.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on May 06, 2014, 09:23:57 pm
I don't think he's that young. His other account was registered a year ago. Where has he been for the past year and why has he suddenly resurfaced?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on May 06, 2014, 09:25:10 pm
maybe hes a kid whos interest in mugen came back after a year?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on May 06, 2014, 09:28:53 pm
Well it's a catch 22 like that for him though.
If he's a kid he's too young to be here. If he's not a kid then he's too old to be acting the way he's acting.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on May 06, 2014, 09:30:15 pm
@Dalek Basara: Now that the rules have changed if that user creates 2 threads on page 1 report him and I'll limit his access to the board.
Got it ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on May 06, 2014, 09:33:24 pm
I just assume that everyone here is old enough to know what they're doing. Idk if he's been warned yet but if he acts up again, ban.
As far as the request thread stuff, makes sense.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on May 07, 2014, 10:15:41 am
goku6... Go back in dev help a few years. He has obviously simply forgotten his password and made another account when he finally came back after his original ban.
He apparently hasn't changed as he never responded to any of the previous help either and kept asking dumb questions without ever showing that he'd understood or attempted the fix. He would then PM anyone who responded asking the question again. I forget how long his ban was, Rajaa applied it iirc and it obviously got rid of him for a while.
Just a bit of backstory for you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on May 14, 2014, 05:53:34 am
Jmorphman said:
Alright then, someone who speaks Spanish should go warn him, cause I ain't putting this shit through Google Translate! :P
Guys, you REALLY need a spanish speaker moderator in your staff to deal with this (I mean... Google Translate?? C'mon!!)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 14, 2014, 06:07:12 am
i suggest cyan paul for gmod
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on May 14, 2014, 06:41:14 am
Hey I was the one to do that
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on May 14, 2014, 06:59:54 am
i nominate myself i have about 3 years of high school spanish under my belt. my qualifications should speak for themselves
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on May 15, 2014, 11:47:09 am
Not really feedback to Warnings/Decisions, but a request, can someone update the images in the CvSvC topic in the first post? Chamat uploaded the zip file containing all the images, so something can be done for the broken ones.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 15, 2014, 01:06:10 pm
just a quick warning, the network will be kindof sluggish for a bit. We had heavy traffic last month.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on May 15, 2014, 04:00:42 pm
IT BEGINS! [avatar]http://i.imgur.com/ohNLvCU.png[/avatar]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Trinitronity on May 16, 2014, 10:03:15 am
I have only one wish and one wish alone: PERMABAN TITILN ALREADY! He is worser than any of the MFG spammers put together, because he is the SOURCE of all those spammers. If he is gone, then half of the spammers wont be spammers anymore. Including me (since some idiots think I'm a spammer for no reasons).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on May 16, 2014, 10:04:55 am
what spammers?
calm down, don't get banned for anything stupid
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on May 16, 2014, 10:07:14 am
He is worser than any of the MFG spammers put together, because he is the SOURCE of all those spammers. If he is gone, then half of the spammers wont be spammers anymore. Including me (since some idiots think I'm a spammer for no reasons).
You can't be serious.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 16, 2014, 11:49:25 am
I have only one wish and one wish alone: PERMABAN TITILN ALREADY! He is worser than any of the MFG spammers put together, because he is the SOURCE of all those spammers. If he is gone, then half of the spammers wont be spammers anymore. Including me (since some idiots think I'm a spammer for no reasons).
You just said you were a spammer then said idiots think you are a spammer.
You also sent messages to admins accusing them of having sex with titiln as the reason for you being banned.
You seem to think that titiln "ruined" you when all your posts are either rageful or odd, you are not really thinking in what you are posting, just posting, and titiln is not to blame for that.
He didnt guide your hands down to typing that. And he didnt make you send pms to people with threats.
This is no way to go through life. Stop blaming your shortcomings on others, please. Just cool down.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on May 16, 2014, 12:33:23 pm
I'm not going to mince words here.
If you fuckin' hate Titiln so much (and hate that people are siding with him), maybe you shouldn't be here anymore. There are other places where you can be a part of the community without carrying the emotional baggage. Not to mention it would let old wounds heal properly. You're not the first one to "have a meltdown" and let emotions get the better of you.
Whatever happened to "taking a break from the guild?" I think that'd be best in your case.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: S.D. on May 16, 2014, 01:02:06 pm
You can't be fucking serious... did he seriously type that? Does he even think twice (Or even once) before clicking the post button? I'm seriously in awe, there's no sugar coating this, jeez. How old are you again?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 16, 2014, 03:40:43 pm
i broke trinitronity
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on May 16, 2014, 03:42:01 pm
He is worser than any of the MFG spammers put together, because he is the SOURCE of all those spammers. If he is gone, then half of the spammers wont be spammers anymore. Including me (since some idiots think I'm a spammer for no reasons).
Never change Trinitonity...never change.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on May 16, 2014, 03:46:42 pm
I have only one wish and one wish alone: PERMABAN TITILN ALREADY!
Maybe we oughta permaban you, you fucking embarrassment. People like you're the reason people lose faith in humanity.
I never thought I'd say this but Uche I want you back.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on May 16, 2014, 03:48:32 pm
that was really.. awfully rude
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on May 16, 2014, 03:50:11 pm
Yeah? well too fucking bad, I've had enough of his shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on May 16, 2014, 03:54:12 pm
should have worded it better, by that i meant that it was just awful. "lose faith in humanity." that's trying too hard don't you think? posts like that aren't going to help here, please don't.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on May 16, 2014, 03:55:22 pm
Yeah? well too fucking bad, I've had enough of his shit.
Man, you always get so angry over the most irrelevant shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on May 16, 2014, 03:56:00 pm
Well pardon me for not congratulating him for learning anything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on May 16, 2014, 03:59:22 pm
Nobody is asking anybody else around here to do that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on May 16, 2014, 04:01:09 pm
I'm not about to do it either. I'm sorry but I've hadtoo much faith in the little shithead and he goes and acts like a petulant 5 year old brat refusing to accept any fucking responsibility. I've honestly had enough of his shit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on May 16, 2014, 04:02:23 pm
serious question, have you personally dealt with him on a day to day basis?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 16, 2014, 04:03:18 pm
Maybe he did, people get upset when someone they invest time in and effort in end up just repeating the same behaviour over and over again, its part of being frustated.
Just dont let your frustation in leading with him change how you deal with other new persons.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on May 16, 2014, 04:05:25 pm
A fair bit in the past yes
honestly though, idiots like him get on my nerves especially when I actually remember when he used to be pretty fucking harmless up until this.
Maybe he did, people get upset when someone they invest time in and effort in end up just repeating the same behaviour over and over again, its part of being frustated.
Just dont let your frustation in leading with him change how you deal with other new persons.
Thanks, man. I know I shouldn't let it but this is basically making me fairly cagey towards newbies at best (I won't go off on them immediately though, you can bet on that.)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 16, 2014, 04:10:46 pm
trinitronity has been around long enough that "newbie" doesn't apply to him. he's just stupid
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on May 16, 2014, 04:12:56 pm
I'm aware. But yeah I kinda see what Iced's getting at and I'm not gonna let it colour my whole thing about any new users wanting to post about stuff but Trin just really got on my fucking nerves. I honestly thought he was better than that from his past posts but nope, turns out he likes being seen as a spoilt brat.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on May 16, 2014, 04:20:53 pm
I've puked a dozen times since 11 pm last night and yet Trinitronity managed to make a post that makes me feel genuinely disgusted.
Shit, what's wrong with you? We've given you plenty of chances, exhausting every correctional method we could think of, and you've turned into a worse poster.
You should be banned. Jnp's happy-go-lucky-don't permaban-people shit clearly doesn't work with you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on May 16, 2014, 04:23:31 pm
He points out the terrible and/or stupid things that people say. People respond to that by insisting that they are right and Titiln is wrong. When it just so happens that Titiln is, in fact, right, then the people who keep arguing that they're right just become spammers.
When someone points out you're wrong and you respond by continuously arguing that you're right, when you are not, then you are a spammer. Titiln's comment doesn't make you a spammer, spamming is what makes you a spammer. What you need is to recognize when you're wrong and not continuously argue about it. And there's also the option of letting it go when someone says something you think is wrong, even if it's against you, and even if you think you are right. In short, at least chose your battles carefully, it will make it look less like you're just doing the same thing all the time despite being wrong all the time. Actually MAKING SURE that you're right is another possibility. And you're definitely NOT right if you're just shitting on people telling you to Google it. Because that's just what the hell, go fuck yourself.
You're also a spammer when you send PMs to admins and staff members about how they have sex with Titiln.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on May 16, 2014, 04:26:34 pm
You should be banned. Jnp's happy-go-lucky-don't permaban-people shit clearly doesn't work with you.
I agree with this, although its mostly for others that cause more problems than wanted. Honestly, mods, I can see why you don't want to constantly goal out with permabans and such, giving users another chance and all but honestly, in this case, enough is fucking well enough. Forget giving him ten hundred "last chances" and get rid of him. He's a disgrace.
Just applying progressively harder slaps on the wrist won't cut it at all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 16, 2014, 04:29:39 pm
and yet my client, jape lesnar, was instantly banned
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on May 16, 2014, 04:31:30 pm
Your client broke the streak and put me in a concussion the hell did you expect titsbagdigganouchebagtryhardmengo
my apologies
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on May 16, 2014, 04:34:20 pm
and yet my client, jape lesnar, was instantly banned
lol troll
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on May 16, 2014, 04:39:20 pm
I think the venting's justified. I mean, it is pretty frustrating to see someone post foolish shit over and over and over again. Makes some people want to punch walls. And yeah, I would be all for a message sending 3-6 month ban if he does anything again.
Trinitronity PMed me a few hours ago, the jist of what he said is that he's going to stick to lurking to avoid any further conflict (good move). I'm sure everyone here will be glad about that (myself included). Anger has a way of dropping people's IQ.
He certainly comes across as being dumb and childish, but I think it's more an example of not everyone being cut out for a place like this (where logic and good etiquette is emphasized more than in other places). If he can't handle that, he can either learn better self-presentation (and become a better user) or go somewhere else. All an attempt at juvenile retaliation does is piss everyone off.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 16, 2014, 04:50:47 pm
I am containing myself to not post the lyrics of frozen "let it go" edited to fit the situation.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 16, 2014, 04:58:26 pm
let iced go (back to 4chan) LOL Damn! You've just been pwned!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on May 16, 2014, 05:17:04 pm
When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me Speaking words of wisdom, let it go And in my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me Speaking words of wisdom, let it go let it go, let it go, let it go, let it go Whisper words of wisdom, let it go
And when the broken hearted people living in the world agree There will be an answer, let it go For though they may be parted, there is still a chance that they will see There will be an answer, let it go let it go, let it go, let it go, yeah let it go There will be an answer, let it go let it go, let it go, let it go, let it go Whisper words of wisdom, let it go Yeah let it go, let it go, let it go, let it go There will be an answer, let it go
let it go, let it go, let it go, let it go There will be an answer, let it go
And when the night is cloudy there is still a light that shines on me Shine until tomorrow, let it go I wake up to the sound of music, Mother Mary comes to me There will be no sorrow, let it go eeee let it go, let it go, let it go, yeah, let it go There will be no sorrow, let it go let it go, let it go, yeah let it go, yeah, let it go Whisper words of wisdom, let it go
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 16, 2014, 05:49:21 pm
That is not the right song., I am very dissapointed.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: S.D. on May 16, 2014, 07:29:31 pm
Trinitronity PMed me a few hours ago, the jist of what he said is that he's going to stick to lurking to avoid any further conflict (good move). I'm sure everyone here will be glad about that (myself included). Anger has a way of dropping people's IQ.
Funny, he PMed me saying that "He really was serious, when he posted that. And he thinked about it twice." (his almost exact wording) And that "Titiln never would never be banned because of his "special" position" (Even though he hasn't broken any rules, whatever), I don't think he's changing or maturing anytime soon.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 16, 2014, 07:38:12 pm
i don't believe in post limiting because it leads to the user sending annoying private messages. it also leads to situations like these when staff are trying to talk things out with the conflicting user and they can't really reply or have any public dialogue for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on May 16, 2014, 07:47:33 pm
Apparently anyone posting a comment about it here is receiving a PM (I did as well, twice). Can't let it go and won't know when to stop.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on May 16, 2014, 07:52:14 pm
well it goes without saying but ignore them, he's just attention whoring which I dont get if he wants to leave this place so bad
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Do not even ask on May 16, 2014, 08:03:39 pm
reputable sources state that when titiln was admin he made a secret usergroup called "unbannable" and made himself the sole member so he could secretly control mfg behind the scenes even when he stopped being an admin
so who is the REAL operator of mfg? #askquestions
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on May 16, 2014, 08:09:50 pm
reputable sources state that when titiln was admin he made a secret usergroup called "unbannable" and made himself the sole member so he could secretly control mfg behind the scenes even when he stopped being an admin
Apparently anyone posting a comment about it here is receiving a PM (I did as well, twice). Can't let it go and won't know when to stop.
I'm feeling very unloved.
:bigcry:
all those rajaa comments againts you come to mind... maybe you should try to being a better mod instead of just slacking off most of the time?...
uh, those are jokes. i hope you're joking too, cause making baseless accusations and flaunting yourself around like you know what youre talking about is a really good way to look like a total idiot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 16, 2014, 09:02:05 pm
all those rajaa comments againts you come to mind... maybe you should try to being a better mod instead of just slacking off most of the time?...
the "i'm feeling very unloved" comment was about how she didn't get a private message from ttirnotnrity despite having posted in the thread. maybe you should try to read instead of just slacking off most of the time?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on May 16, 2014, 09:32:25 pm
Apparently anyone posting a comment about it here is receiving a PM (I did as well, twice). Can't let it go and won't know when to stop.
I'm feeling very unloved.
:bigcry:
all those rajaa comments againts you come to mind... maybe you should try to being a better mod instead of just slacking off most of the time?...
uh, those are jokes. i hope you're joking too, cause making baseless accusations and flaunting yourself around like you know what youre talking about is a really good way to look like a total idiot.
I was joking about this too, sort brought that up because rajaa mentined that before either a joke or not it just came to mind, missb most likely won't give a shit if trini writes her or not, but in reality its is true that a user won't go to her as much for help or sugestions as she is not as active as other mods, either way sorry if it sounded too rude, next time a J/K text would be next to a.comment like this
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on May 16, 2014, 11:00:59 pm
I'm always uncomfortable with using this term to downplay this kind of heated argument. The guy got fed up at something he didn't like and simply lashed out. He's not attention whoring / seeking attention in the sense that he wants people to look at him and argue about it for ten pages, but more in the sense that he wants people to hear and understand the beef he has about what he thinks is unfair and unjust. So saying "why doesn't he just leave" is missing the point, he doesn't just want to get liberated from the perceived injustice, he wants people to recognize that it's unjust.
(obviously said anger is vastly misplaced and fucked up but that's beside the point)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on May 16, 2014, 11:22:39 pm
As much as many people want him banned forever and as much as weve seen him fail expressing himself the wrong way many times wiith dumb comments I don't think he should be banned forever, he's got that "titiln is harrasing symptom", some of us users been throught it before and learned to live with, (im not saying your a bad person titiln, youre just a bit agressive sometimes when judging the way people post and is not a bad thing cause some do learn from that but still some do feel harrased and he hasnt probably passed that stage yet) I IMO totaly understand him, montly bans can be fare so maybe that way hell understand things but I don't think he deserves to be gone forever, he just lost it on that line without knowing how to say it propertly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on May 16, 2014, 11:31:35 pm
Who has said something about making the ban permanent ? I only see MightyKombat. Who is not staff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orie on May 16, 2014, 11:33:24 pm
I just woke up from my sleep, and then I see both the warning, and this:
I have only one wish and one wish alone: PERMABAN TITILN ALREADY! He is worser than any of the MFG spammers put together, because he is the SOURCE of all those spammers. If he is gone, then half of the spammers wont be spammers anymore. Including me (since some idiots think I'm a spammer for no reasons).
And the other post that follows this kind of response.
@Trini ..Ya got 7 days, and just came back to say this... Don't you even learn?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on May 16, 2014, 11:49:13 pm
Who has said something about making the ban permanent ? I only see MightyKombat. Who is not staff.
well not in this particular subject but past posts I guess.... oh well I see their taking care of it at the warnings thread
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on May 17, 2014, 12:21:49 am
I wish I could have replied sooner. I'm sure Trinitronity must think that I really hate him or have it out for him. Trinitronity, that is far from reality. Most users know it's pretty tough to actually get me to dislike-dislike someone. The post limitations, the removal of profile privileges: it was all done in an attempt to prevent you from getting yourself banned again. You are a person that really enjoys this forum. You like to contribute your MUGEN releases, discussions, and to give feedback to characters. I don't want to prevent anyone from enjoying this forum for it's intended purpose. Having fun developing with the program with peers. To completely lose access to that because of mistakes, poor judgement, getting drunk, or whatever is the worst possible punishment we can give out.
I wish I knew how to help you understand why you are addressed the way you're addressed. Byakko really gave you good feedback. Let things go. Even if you cannot accept that you are wrong you have to be able to judge the temperature you are creating.
I get it, Titiln can and does push the buttons of users that are "bad posters" or whatever that is. Basically if you cannot gauge the temperature well that you are creating he can be a nightmare for you because he's good at keeping you going. It's almost a no win situation at that point. I don't think I've ever seen the technique make anybody actually stop and say "Holy shit. Look at what a mess I have made. This Titiln guy played me right along! Damn, I really need to be more level headed." I don't approve of the way he and a few others aid in these melt down situations. But self moderation puts a lot of responsibility on yourself not to fall into them. And if you do find yourself in the trap to just full stop and back out before you lose it. Step away from the keyboard. Work on a project. Play a game. Go outside. Whatever, but don't leave the forum and take it with you. When you get older you'll realize how petty it all was. We are all just people, man. I know you're a real dude behind a screen somewhere and that you feel like a truly unjust action has befallen you. And in a way it really has. A part of me wishes there was something I could have done differently. Maybe keeping the limit on your posts and letting you earn more posting privileges by posting well would have been a better incentive. It seems to be working well with Saohc thus far. I just want you to know that the last thing I want to do to anyone is ban them. I want everyone to be able to at the very least have enough posting rights to post their projects.
When you come back again I truly hope that you can try and take a look at what happened in a different light. If you are losing your cool feel free to PM me before you make post after post. I will try to aid you any way I can to help you understand why something is happening. You know, as long as you can google some stuff every once in a while <--sorry :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orie on May 17, 2014, 12:41:02 am
^ A-ma-zing
I need to show him this when he gets back on MFFA (He's usually in the chatroom).. hopefully he takes this well.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on May 17, 2014, 12:55:39 am
I always miss the fun stuff.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on May 17, 2014, 01:10:06 am
3 is fine, it worked for the now much less annoying Dan Hibiki guy. Maybe he'll get over it by then and/or learn to be more tactful (doubt it).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on May 17, 2014, 01:12:23 am
Just ban him for some considerably long time. It´s long overdue at this point.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on May 17, 2014, 01:15:23 am
Take it from someone who had a very bad experience with this back in his high school years, Trini. This is not the way to do it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on May 17, 2014, 01:22:31 am
Reading the content of the PM JNP posted in the warning topic : lol, his PM to me was
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
my comment he responded to said:
You're also a spammer when you send PMs to admins and staff members about how they have sex with Titiln.
What do you mean "my way"? I'm just stating facts. And the fact is that some users became more hostile than needed when I asked, what I should type in Google. By the way, just today I had expierienced another example of how useless Google is. :P -TrinitroMan
And the fact is that some users became more hostile than needed when I asked, what I should type in Google.
You don't understand that this is completely normal, you think it's not and you get angry. But in the first place, it actually IS normal for people to get hostile while telling you to use Google, when your question is extremely easily answered with it. The fact is that you were actually wrong, and the reactions you got were perfectly normal. YOUR reaction was not.
Refusing to use Google when you're told that the answer is the first result in it, and then going through a volley of posts in a heated argument claiming that using Google would mean "falling in Titiln's trap", this is just completely ridiculous, intolerable, and indefensible. You were wrong.
So apparently,
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But then again, your name is Just no Point, so I guess doing pointless statements is your thing nowadays. And besides, there was no reason to give me a post limit. You just gave a post limit to me, because you're secretly with Titiln in the bed. Seriously, why are you even administrator. So yeah, you can just ban me after that again, but I don't care anymore. MFG is the worst forum ever, and I don't wanna anything to do with it anymore.
is
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just stating facts.
Now that's just "complete douche" level hypocrisy. This is full denial of responsibility, nothing will be learned out of it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on May 17, 2014, 01:31:34 am
I was in the 1 month camp, but now I think 1 month is not enough for him to calm down.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orie on May 17, 2014, 01:35:52 am
I've been out for 3 years (A self-exile, actually), but even then idk if a 3 year will do good for him.. And it's quite excessive too. :P
But reading the post Byakko made (not aware if JnP posted that in the warnings thread, but will check later on), now I'm hesitant to show Trini the long post JnP just made.
Edit: Just read it... Urge to hurt him... rising....
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on May 17, 2014, 01:51:00 am
send him to anti-MFG
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on May 17, 2014, 01:53:39 am
that forum's down
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Hyogo on May 17, 2014, 01:55:35 am
But where else would peterfoster lurk?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on May 17, 2014, 01:57:03 am
Not something that anyone cares... but I know this day would come and it is now. Farewell Trinitronity, see you in a couple of years or in other forum maybe, who knows...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orie on May 17, 2014, 01:57:36 am
I bet around $10 if Trini joins either MMV or IMT at this point.
Off-Topic: Who is this Peterfoster? I'm so curious now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Erroratu on May 17, 2014, 02:00:58 am
i don't believe in post limiting because it leads to the user sending annoying private messages. it also leads to situations like these when staff are trying to talk things out with the conflicting user and they can't really reply or have any public dialogue for obvious reasons.
I agree, I'm not sure it's that useful of a tool, and it just seems to make each situation worse.
At the very least, for this specific time, it didn't really help matters and only inflamed Trinitronity further.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on May 17, 2014, 03:53:06 am
That's like 1 person though. That's not a good statistic :P We've only used it on 2 users and it seems to have helped Saohc a lot. I think there shouldn't have been a set expiration date because Trin was doing well till he got his posting privileges back. I think it might work better to slowly give posting back as rewards for consistent improvement.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on May 17, 2014, 03:53:56 am
That's like 1 person though. That's not a good statistic :P
That's why I said the last sentence!!! >:[
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 17, 2014, 04:00:43 am
i also think this kind of extremely slow approach (10 warnings, posts limited, banned for a day, then three, then a week) is a waste of time for everybody involved, especially the staff who could be addressing other things like my webm suggestion. i've seen several forum suggestions get very little attention because everybody was focusing on shitty poster that can't be salvaged #241
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on May 17, 2014, 04:03:02 am
I dunno, it seems like most of the suggestions are things only Valodim can do.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Caddie on May 17, 2014, 04:03:32 am
i also think this kind of extremely slow approach (10 warnings, posts limited, banned for a day, then three, then a week) is a waste of time for everybody involved, especially the staff who could be addressing other things like my webm suggestion. i've seen several forum suggestions get very little attention because everybody was focusing on shitty poster that can't be salvaged #241
That's exactly what I was saying when I was still on the staff and nobody else was listening to me. Maybe now that you said it they'll listen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on May 17, 2014, 04:09:39 am
I dunno, it seems like most of the suggestions are things only Valodim can do.
it doesn't mean the rest of the staff can't chime in with "oh yeah that's a terrific idea" or "that's a waste of time"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on May 17, 2014, 04:20:58 am
I believe you're overstating how much time is spent modding someone. It didn't take long to deal with Trini here and it was contained to this thread. The worst case was Navana and that was less his doing and more just backlash for allowing him back at all. It rarely lasts over a day anymore which is pretty good considering all the timezones and ppl's jobs/school/lives.
EDIT: I also want to think I have been doing fairly well to try and get most of your suggestions that we think are good to Val. He has implemented several of them. Which is also a much faster turn around than previously.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orie on May 25, 2014, 03:12:21 pm
Not to derail or anything, but just a small heads up: If you see me changing appearances for a single day by a lot (in terms of avatar and name), I'm trying to see which one I could go for in a while. (just saying this in case I accidentally "curse" myself)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on May 25, 2014, 07:08:11 pm
um, alright
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: jt on May 25, 2014, 09:06:10 pm
Is it my comp or are all the sites(besides the archives) on the front page down?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 25, 2014, 09:19:38 pm
Val is doing some work on the server. Should be back soonish.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 26, 2014, 04:37:36 pm
Ftp work in progress, things gonna be down for a bit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on May 30, 2014, 02:12:53 am
Iced just so you know, that report on Metroker you linked in the warnings thread? If I try to go to the source post my AV (AVG) has a shitfit.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 30, 2014, 02:41:50 am
the guild page itself or whatever is linked? I can clean out whatever was linked if its the second.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on May 30, 2014, 02:48:16 am
When I go to Rednavi's report (linked in the warnings thread), and try to go to the "Zelgadis" post that's linked in it, my AV immediately goes off because of the Krizalid link in the post and says "Threat removed".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 30, 2014, 03:03:56 am
ok i deleted the sendspace link there is no reason for that being there anyway. thanks.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on May 30, 2014, 04:47:06 am
This says differently though?: http://www.avgthreatlabs.com/website-safety-reports/domain/mugenguild.com/linkreport/mugenguild.com%252Fforum%252Ftopics%252Fkrizalid-kofm-lvl2-135873.msg1462883.html/?utm_source=TDPU&utm_medium=OS
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on May 30, 2014, 11:05:10 am
Not related to the discussion at hand, but if vyn (http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/vyn-84254) is [V]yn (http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/vyn-15222) their accounts could be merged together.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on May 30, 2014, 03:09:31 pm
done
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Noside on May 30, 2014, 07:22:01 pm
I'm here to justify myself about the Metroker thing, I didn't know that some people from the spanish section had problems with him (still) and thought that they were going to "meh" about him, and the thing turned out serious towards him, didn't expect that reaction, now, I like his characters and stuff but nothing else, like if I had bad intentions in harming people from here or such, maybe I went a bit far having lol conversations with him but that's it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on May 30, 2014, 07:30:56 pm
From the comments made on You Tube it looks as though you asked him to come to Guild with the intent to cause problems. Then when he was banned you laughed about everyone "crying"?
I need to know why you thought it was a good idea to make such statements? Because the intent seems pretty obvious.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Noside on May 30, 2014, 07:39:00 pm
I asked him to come to guild and have a talk with spanish talking people, as stated before I didn't know that some people still had issues with him, but never had the intention to harm, now, I just wanted him to have a talk about his Strider character (wich I like) but before that, people were complainnig about his arrival and went out of hand.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on May 30, 2014, 07:44:58 pm
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p519/Nosidex/captura_zps2b0bf818.png) According to this you "did it on purpose"
That looks a lot like victory fun.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Noside on May 30, 2014, 07:50:36 pm
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p519/Nosidex/captura_zps2b0bf818.png) According to this you "did it on purpose"
That looks a lot like victory fun.
That's a spanish line that doesn't exsists and iced put it in english.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on May 30, 2014, 08:46:22 pm
Metroker has been banned from various spanish MUGEN communities and it's the one-shouldn't-be-named in these communities (just like KFM here). There isn't problem with being friend of him, the problem is bring him here, with the risk this guy hasn't changed a bit
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on May 30, 2014, 09:05:56 pm
he said :"por eso lo dije" which means: thats why I said it...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on May 30, 2014, 09:10:48 pm
Since there is risk that Iced mistranslated, what does the intent of Noside's comments look like?
(http://i.imgur.com/p3XX1T7.png)
Does what he say here match up with what he said on the youtube channel? If he's laughing after the fact it's a shitty way to act but not as detrimental. If he asked Metroker to come over with the intent to cause problems with the Spanish user base that is a pretty big deal.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: XGargoyle on May 30, 2014, 09:25:46 pm
Basically, both are making fun of Rednavi whistling to the staff about Metroker and subsequently Iced asking if Noside was involved.
So, I would suggest banning Noside as well. It's clear that they are really enjoying this situation.
If they are tough enough to troll the forum and attempt to infect other users with trojan/hacking scripts, they should learn to deal with the consequences of their acts.
Plus I have no sympathy for kids using Nazi salutes on their usernames (Heil88) thinking it's cool. Same feelings towards the friends of such Nazi idiots.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on May 30, 2014, 09:26:34 pm
From the same video: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_6aKZrv61Y)
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heil88mugen
+Noside Foxhound iced:suck my pene,Dreamslayer:the same.
:laugh: Idiot.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on May 30, 2014, 09:31:00 pm
Hey, he added you too buddy! We'll be sucking pene together now! You better not be greedy!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on May 30, 2014, 09:35:22 pm
Nah, I'll pass.
I'm becoming a famous person, I'm even getting offences by random people I've never talked to in the internet. :laugh:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on May 30, 2014, 09:57:49 pm
As I said before, SERIOUSLY you guys need some spanish speaker user in your staff to see these things. Let me help you with translation:
Noside: Now you went too far, Metroker :| Metroker (heli88mugen): (spanish refrain, literally means "Strange of you don't know the web being a spider too") M: Do you summon me on Guild? N: That's right pal, you see all the fun we had haha =3 N: That's why i said it haha M: Rednavi goes to cry for banning me hahaha lol! N: Indeed, Iced went to ask about I was involved too haha
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Noside on May 30, 2014, 10:05:49 pm
"Now you went too far, Metroker" What I meant is that the Strider character is good. (to my taste)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on May 30, 2014, 10:09:20 pm
I'm opposed to banning Noside. Apparently these guys go way back, and they were just sharing some comradery general comments on the mess that ensued when Metroker showed up, as opposed to the perception of "They were plotting!"
Again, it's kinda iffy territory to ban Metroker on the grounds that we don't like him mostly over things that he did elsewhere, but it's even worse if you purposefully try misunderstand a comment that was also posted elsewhere. You gotta draw a line here, Noside's comment is harmless and doesn't warrant a ban.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on May 30, 2014, 10:15:48 pm
Yeah, I think that's where I'm at with this now too. It was this line that was really swaying my bias
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N: That's right pal, you see all the fun we had haha =3
But it's not as cut and dry with the original intent as it seemed earlier with the mistranslations.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on May 30, 2014, 10:18:14 pm
Again, it's kinda iffy territory to ban Metroker on the grounds that we don't like him mostly over things that he did elsewhere, but it's even worse if you purposefully try misunderstand a comment that was also posted elsewhere. You gotta draw a line here, Noside's comment is harmless and doesn't warrant a ban.
Metroker got banned here after trying to infect users wth viruses pretending to be zelgadis, why are you against banning someone attempting to do that?
Also there is no mistranslation the user that translated that text for me is a well known spanish speaker, [E]. I even asked him to translate to make sure of what it said.
Noside seems to be trying to troll the spanish thread and having fun too, celebrating there. After metro got rebanned is when they go
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N: Indeed, Iced went to ask about I was involved too haha
jajajaja
the solution is clear we must ban the spanish thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on May 30, 2014, 10:28:15 pm
#18896 Noside: So, it turns out that I am the bad guy here? And that the comments I shared with Metroker are BAD? Oh crap. The fact that I like his chars doesn't have anything to do with the mess that's going on here. YEAH I DESERVER A BAN, I'VE BEEN A BAD BOY! #18897 walt: With all due respect, you're a moron-dummy Noside. #18898 Noside: Ah I see, oh well. [EDIT] According to Iced, I said this. "I did it on purpose." *** At this point he's complaining about his message being misconstrued.
Spoiler: This is what the YT conversation actually means(click to see content)
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noside: Man, now you really crossed the line, Metroker :| metroker: I'm shocked that you, being a spider, don't know the web ("You should have known this would happen") metroker: So you summoned me on Guild? noside: yeah dude, we are having a lot of fun lol ("shit turned into a mess pretty fast") noside: that's why I said it (The "you crossed the line" comment") metroker: rednavi went to cry to the admins to have them ban me, lol ("Old enemies want to fuck me up, wtf lol") noside: yeah, and now Iced is asking if I had anything to do with it, lol ("with it" = the old hacking history/mess)
#18899 Rednavi: You messed up your reputation by being a moron these last few days, but that doesn't warrant a ban. #18900 Noside:I guess I was out of line, but to avoid creating a bigger mess and stuff, let's just let it die out ("I won't defend Metroker any further")
18900 is the kind of apology
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on May 30, 2014, 10:51:40 pm
Walt, I see, thanks for the translation. I will let the others chime in.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on May 30, 2014, 10:54:59 pm
To be fair, Noside showed up and started interacting with the spanish speakers fairly recently.
I remember NiO was one of Metroker's victims a long time ago, and Noside showed up way after that, so there's a fairly good chance he was unaware of his bad reputation here, since he's mostly clueless about MFG's history and customs most of the time, from what I've seen.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on May 30, 2014, 10:57:04 pm
To be fair, Noside showed up and started interacting with the spanish speakers fairly recently.
I remember NiO was one of Metroker's victims a long time ago, and Noside showed up way after that, so there's a fairly good chance he was unaware of his bad reputation here, since he's mostly clueless about MFG's history and customs most of the time, from what I've seen.
The weird part is that he brought him here to begin with. They're both from the same country and with the same hobby, and both know about this site and most likely mentioned it at least once during some of their conversations. Do you really think you would need to "bring" your friend here considering that he already knows about this place and needs nobody to bring him here at all?
Shouldn't Noside wonder even for a second why isn't metroker an active user around here to begin with? It's pretty obvious that there's a reason behind why he isn't an active member in this place, and metroker's fame is known across most of the mugen sites Noside uses/used to visit. There's no way for him to not to know that people had an issue with him, as minor as it would be.
Why even announcing his return if he didn't know that metroker was a known person around here? Why don't just let metroker himself come back without any sort of intro? This whole intro thing is the kind of shit metroker is known for, he just wants the damn attention be it good or bad, and for some reason Noside helped him getting that.
Bringing him here was literally asking for trouble, even if he thought we had a minor grudge against him. And the more we told Noside about him when he brought him back to the forum, the deeper he went until shit hit the fan for real.
Spoiler: This is what the YT conversation actually means(click to see content)
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noside:Man, now you really crossed the line, Metroker :| WRONG metroker: I'm shocked that you, being a spider, don't know the web ("You should have known this would happen") metroker: So you summoned me on Guild? noside: yeah dude, we are having a lot of fun lol ("shit turned into a mess pretty fast") noside: that's why I said it (The "you crossed the line" comment") metroker: rednavi went to cry to the admins to have them ban me, lol ("Old enemies want to fuck me up, wtf lol") noside: yeah, and now Iced is asking if I had anything to do with it, lol ("with it" = the old hacking history/mess)
"Now you went too far, Metroker" What I meant is that the Strider character is good. (to my taste)
This is something that changes the entire discussion a lot. The very first line from that spoiler walt posted is not even related to the entire discussion we're having here, which makes the entire quote even less... pleasant should I say.
It directly nulls any kind of positive point of view I can have about it. Rather than telling metroker that he's crossing the line (With the shit he's done) and later tell him "that's why I said it" because of that, he was just talking about the Strider edit and mocking us in the process (Not that I care but at least don't do the same in the Spanish Thread when you're told what the guy's done to us in the last years).
As I said before, SERIOUSLY you guys need some spanish speaker user in your staff to see these things. Let me help you with translation:
Is Cyan Paul chopped liver, or what.
He's too busy doing sexually tasteless jokes around the forum to care about this :V
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 04, 2014, 12:43:27 am
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1969816 What is the point of this
The "Close at 1000 pages" thing was a screenshots thread only thing
God dammit Basara that does not apply to every thread!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on June 04, 2014, 12:51:01 am
What exactly is the problem there?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 04, 2014, 01:01:35 am
that basara locked a thread for no apparent reason
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on June 04, 2014, 01:04:32 am
I guess it could interfere with a few questions, perhaps it should be unlocked for a bit or something while the new thread takes on it's requests or whatever?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 04, 2014, 01:06:06 am
replacing threads at 1000 pages makes sense when it's threads that don't have a lot of consequence, like the random topic or mugen screenshots. this is different and doesn't need replacing. the decision should be reverted
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on June 04, 2014, 01:08:16 am
people searching for something can search through that thread to find what they want. I dont see a lot of reasons to cut it out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on June 04, 2014, 01:22:46 am
...but having it in two separate threads is probably going to get messy down the road.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on June 04, 2014, 01:37:35 am
I don't really get the whole "tradition" of locking the long threads anyway. I think it's not exactly something that needs to be debated. Since there are users that find the thread locking an issue with this thread I'd say just unlock it. There are no real pros to locking it while there seem to be cons to some users by locking.
Executive decision, I'll unlock it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on June 04, 2014, 01:54:48 am
I'm beginning to question Basara's modding capabilities with his behavior as of late, but there's not really enough to really do anything with. I suppose I'm just voicing my concern is all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 04, 2014, 01:56:21 am
kind of useless to say without examples
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on June 04, 2014, 02:00:50 am
Let's see here... Ignoring people constantly saying that there is a Spanish speaking user in the staff...
Combined with his pointless locking of the feedback to warnings thread. As I said, it's not too much to go on. It's still something.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on June 04, 2014, 02:06:31 am
Locking the thread was an easy mistake because he was following tradition. The worst he does is ask for pretty strict punishments for users at times but that doesn't affect his request modding.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 04, 2014, 02:10:08 am
yeah his posts are questionable every now and then but i don't see how that gets in the way of request forum moderation
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on June 04, 2014, 02:25:47 am
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on June 04, 2014, 02:44:52 am
Wow, I didn't know this was an issue really. A lot of large threads are locked at 1000 and then make new ones, like in International subforum threads or like in Screenshots and Random threads. As JNP said, I made it by a tradition of the forum, as a "implicit rule" like I said in the "does...?" V2, not that I made it to bother people or something as some of here can think. If you're making trouble by this and this isn't considerated neccesary, I can reconsider it and unlock the original thread + merging the new one with the old one, all of this speech is not necessary since there're more important things to see here than my case, IMO
Let's see here... Ignoring people constantly saying that there is a Spanish speaking user in the staff...
Cyan wasn't working on these cases and I see no one else was doing something to help in this language (and use Google Translate or any other website having a lot of spanish speakers is a shame). And I feel sad you question my decisions in the Requests subforum, I didn't ask to be moderator, just I wanted to help to this subforum and in general to the forum, nothing else
EDIT: Oh, already was done, Ok...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on June 04, 2014, 02:54:23 am
QUIT CALLING ME ICED!!!11 >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on June 04, 2014, 02:58:38 am
Sorry sorry :XD:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on June 04, 2014, 03:43:56 am
pretty sure i already said i used spanish talking members to make sure that what i understood was right, I even pointed out [E]
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on June 04, 2014, 04:39:51 am
onto more pressing issues im off work and hungry should i get a mcdouble or mcchicken
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on June 04, 2014, 04:45:42 am
Ugh, McDonald's is the worst...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on June 04, 2014, 04:46:55 am
You should be a man and get dat hot n' spicy yo
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on June 04, 2014, 05:43:55 am
onto more pressing issues im off work and hungry should i get a mcdouble or mcchicken
the one that tastes more like cock.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: XGargoyle on June 04, 2014, 08:36:31 am
What? Basara is a mod? Since when? :muh:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 04, 2014, 08:44:32 am
request board moderator
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on June 04, 2014, 05:29:35 pm
And in my AGP subforum, of course :jester:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on June 04, 2014, 06:07:11 pm
i'll keep replying to this report (http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/requests-general-rules-you-must-read-these-request-159931.msg1969959.html#new) in this thread since it concerns all of the request board anyway and i don't want to keep replying through reports.
your last post in the request rules thread is problematic. you don't need an administrator to tell you why, you should realize this by yourself. it's quoting a rule that was heavily revised, it's long winded and it's difficult to read. none of these things are convenient for a rules thread. the longer and needlessly wordy you make rules threads, the less likely it is that someone's going to read through all of it. you could easily delete your post and edit the first rule to add "Should you make more than one thread in page 1, your threads will be merged."
"if that new request is about a non-existing character, will be merged to "Does this thing exist?" thread without any advice" makes no sense. if you know for a fact that the character doesn't exist, why would you throw the post in a different thread for someone else to say "no, that character doesn't exist" instead of just telling the user right then and there, in their own thread, that said character doesn't exist? this would be more convenient for everybody. the moderator doesn't have to split and merge a post (which takes longer than typing "that character doesn't exist"), the user doesn't have to wonder what the fuck happened to their post.
a good part of the first post needs to be rewritten. it's working on the basis that users cannot make more than one thread because of the forum mod that was around that time but was lost in the forum upgrade. the threat of "locking your thread" doesn't really mean as much now. a locked thread back then meant you were pretty much banned from requesting. now the threat makes no sense.
goh's posts can easily be added into first post about the rules. users shouldn't need to read multiple posts to realize a rule was slightly revised
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on June 04, 2014, 06:11:04 pm
I'm busy counting ticks for hit values! Basara, listen to this feedback. If you have questions on how to better word some rules feel free to ask here. I'm sure you'll be helped.
obligatory smiley in case this post is read with a demanding or "mean" voice
=)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on June 04, 2014, 08:12:38 pm
OK, you're right Ic--JNP :P I should consult you guys about these things here instead just doing it by myself, sorry about that :( next time I'll ask for help about this kind of things
About the report, yes, the rules should be rewritten. As I said before in the report, the final post by me was made about the "one request thread per user" rule, since in the time I joined as moderator, the board was full of threads of various users who made new threads everytime they want a new request and the board was saturated, it was not just about the Creators Database Thread abandoned, the reason why I became moderator in a beginning.
Explained that, you're right Titiln, the rules are just put without an order and they confuse the users, not just the last thing I remarked in that last post. So, my plan is to remake the whole rules and rewrite them to be clearer for all users, and obviously first I'll post here so you guys tell me if I'm doing the right thing or not so everyone can help with this ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on July 11, 2014, 11:52:38 am
R.I.P Maverick.
I knew it would have been just a matter of time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on July 11, 2014, 01:42:49 pm
See you in a year or so
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on July 11, 2014, 02:09:22 pm
Maverik was brought back on a very short leash. It was made clear in the thread announcing his return that any slip-up would lead to a perma-ban. He did not deserve a warning. He called a Global Mod an idiot without provocation and went right back to posting huge, condescending walls of text, and then called that same mod stupid for not agreeing with him. This shouldn't even be a discussion.
Add to that clear ban evasion in the thread in question.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on July 11, 2014, 02:22:50 pm
The ban evasion isn't very relevant, it's only a problem when they try to pass for a different person and keep posting to circumvent the ban, or if they keep doing it over and again like "oh I'm so good I can use proxies and I can create an infinite number of mail account to keep registering it's impossible to ban me I must be a god". This was just for "one last response" addressing the ban. Apparently he even deleted that new account right after, leaving an orphaned post.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on July 11, 2014, 06:18:30 pm
I expected him to blow up in the World Cup thread, not in a shitty thread like the one b_________ made :|
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on July 11, 2014, 07:28:45 pm
So it was banned just for ranting again?? Oh, I thought it was because he created the B____etc account and dropped the bomb to troll the forum, but I was wrong then :-\
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 11, 2014, 07:30:41 pm
I disagree with teh permaban, a 3months- one year ban should suffice;he got started but did not really go all the way, either because he got banned before so or because he did not intend to.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bad News GBK on July 11, 2014, 07:38:50 pm
3,6,9,12 months, a permaban..what does it matter anyway.
If he wants he has a new account today, tomorrow or next week.
And if he behaves nicely again under that new account he will get another official chance again.
If people are doing the same mistakes again and again, why should they get more chances? Does this community need this kind of people? Its not like he can't release or show his creations on a ton of other places as well.
I got banned here for 6 months and did not use an alt account. I did some stupid dick moves back than, learned my lesson, accepted the ban and since than I never returned to trolling or even calling Iced to shut up etc again. If others can't behave normal after they got banned multiple times already, out with them forever.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on July 11, 2014, 08:21:54 pm
He doesn't get a gold star just because he insulted people less than he did the last time he was permabanned. He didn't go "all the way" but he went far enough.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on July 11, 2014, 08:30:52 pm
I disagree with teh permaban, a 3months- one year ban should suffice;he got started but did not really go all the way, either because he got banned before so or because he did not intend to.
He didnt go all the way? idk about that man, he seemed really intent on deriding and humiliating me for whatever reason. He insulted me calling me an idiot and stupid repeatedly, said I must be from another planet, and put into question my academic career because I was trying to debate a statement in another users post. What else should he have said to me that would indicate he was going all the way?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on July 11, 2014, 08:39:47 pm
I disagree with teh permaban, a 3months- one year ban should suffice;he got started but did not really go all the way, either because he got banned before so or because he did not intend to.
IDK the guy, but from what I read with Rajaa's reason for banning him, he was banned before he had the chance to "go all the way". I've read a few things about how he was given another chance and the staff telling him that they weren't going to give him any leeway. He did in fact disregard that warning with his responses to Umezono. He could have just let it go. Even if it wasn't extremely profane or anything, he still carried on with an issue that didn't warrant it. I'm going to assume he knew the conditions of his allowance back into the forum. He could have easily just left the thread or even logged out and went away. You don't HAVE to respond to something. You don't have to go out of your way to prove a point. Especially one that's moot to begin with. He knew the stakes.
3,6,9,12 months, a permaban..what does it matter anyway.
If he wants he has a new account today, tomorrow or next week.
And if he behaves nicely again under that new account he will get another official chance again.
If people are doing the same mistakes again and again, why should they get more chances? Does this community need this kind of people? Its not like he can't release or show his creations on a ton of other places as well.
I got banned here for 6 months and did not use an alt account. I did some stupid dick moves back than, learned my lesson, accepted the ban and since than I never returned to trolling or even calling Iced to shut up etc again. If others can't behave normal after they got banned multiple times already, out with them forever.
I agree with this as well. Very well put sir. MFG isn't the only forum, it's not that serious. If a user believes it to be that serious, then they should be inclined to follow the rules of the forum. It's not hard. If you can't abide by those rules, then you just have to seek refuge else where. It is what it is.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on July 11, 2014, 09:21:08 pm
How could you possibly think of that? There isn't any clue that should give you that idea.
Just suppositions and nothing more. But at least I was right about he just dropped the troll bomb in the field. If is not LM, then other possible banned user who made an alt. account here, IMO
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 11, 2014, 11:52:28 pm
so uh is Maverik gonna be unbanned cause that was kind of an overreacting imo that was just a debate granted it was insulting but was it bad enough to ban the guy over?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 11, 2014, 11:55:21 pm
He was on probation, so yeah.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 11, 2014, 11:57:37 pm
I think he deserved to be temp banned at the very most not perma he clearly hasn't been acting like this the whole time hes been back. The ban was way way to fast. I say unban him with his tight leash. He got a bit insulting but really I don't think what he said warrants a PERMA ban even given his old circumstances. He hasn't acted like that for awhile.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 11, 2014, 11:58:50 pm
idc if he was on probation I think this was a bit to fast to jump the gun so to speak he hasn't acted like this for awhile so I think it warrants a slight bit of leniency. Also I started talking about this in warnings so we can stop here if you want.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: TempesT on July 12, 2014, 12:03:50 am
I disagree with teh permaban, a 3months- one year ban should suffice;he got started but did not really go all the way, either because he got banned before so or because he did not intend to.
He didnt go all the way? idk about that man, he seemed really intent on deriding and humiliating me for whatever reason. He insulted me calling me an idiot and stupid repeatedly, said I must be from another planet, and put into question my academic career because I was trying to debate a statement in another users post. What else should he have said to me that would indicate he was going all the way?
He didn't say you were jacked into the matrix.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 12, 2014, 12:04:54 am
@ume You didn't get his point he was trying to make I could even see what he was talking about he went overboard on how he handled it but I got his point you completely missed what he was saying.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on July 12, 2014, 12:07:03 am
I do I just think its been long enough that hes shown hes not here just to cause problems.
But he still flies off the handle for stupid shit like this and he starts insulting people who disagree with him. It doesn't matter how long it took before he did that. Do understand the big idea behind "one false step and you're out". He made a false step, he's out, regardless of time. Insulting people just because they disagree is a false step. Do understand the context and stop looking at this individual occurrence like it's a one time thing.
The REAL point of this is that this is still the kind of things he does. Insulting people who disagree. In the same way he did in the past, the first time he got permabanned.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on July 12, 2014, 12:14:23 am
It may not have been handled the best possible way, but it would have ended the exact same way no matter how you try to sugarcoat it or play devil's advocate because you understand what he meant this one time. He already did disregard a couple of mods telling him to calm down and he was already insulting people for disagreeing. He wouldn't have stopped just by being asked to. And that thread didn't need to go on for 10 more pages of insults.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 12, 2014, 12:16:52 am
it does matter cause anyone can fuck up at times I was there for his past and this was nothing like that I Don't think he should of been banned just for this not perma at least give him a temp ban like a week or something hell even a month would be preferable but not a permanent ban. its ridiculous how this particular instance was handled even in the staff area no discussion was made or anything which I think should always be done. PS can a mod merge this with warnings plz up to the part I mentioned the ban. I should of never made this topic here that was my bad.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 12, 2014, 12:19:07 am
I don't think it would of. I do think hes changed to a point. he wasn't being "jack the shitter" he was just arguing cause he was annoyed. Sure ban him but not permanently. also we dont need to have this same discussion in 2 places that was my bad posting in the first place over there about this -_-.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on July 12, 2014, 12:21:34 am
Yeah, he was told to calm down and kept going on with it even worse after that. The only thing that was handled off was the surprise ban that none of the staff knew about. My knee jerk reaction was that it shouldn't have happened either. Had I not told him to calm down I would probably be fighting for him to have another chance a lot more.
Most of the staff seem to agree the only thing really handled improperly was the instant shock ban. But it probably would have ended up the same during discussion anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 12, 2014, 12:24:05 am
I am put off about how the whole thing was handled and believe he should be allowed with a very tight leash after a temp ban of some kind. Dunno about you but the fact remains he has not done this in a long time and i think we hit a nerve or something with that topic.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on July 12, 2014, 12:28:27 am
You mean the exact same tight leash he already was on at the time he started pissing insults at someone for just disagreeing with him ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on July 12, 2014, 12:29:45 am
No you see we need to pretend the last few years didn't happen to get into peeps good books because hey why not i mean it snot like we'll be doomed to repeat that shit again if we ignore it
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Kyoudou Senna on July 12, 2014, 12:33:28 am
My two cents.
I won't deny Maverik was insulting Umezono (whichever didn't understand the other person's points now goes to the toilet because Maverik was pretty much trolled by siding with a blatant troll unwillingly), but the sudden insta ban was uncalled for.
Warning or a short term ban would have been more proper here. That insta ban seems too excessive for me and uncalled for.
I'm seriously questioning Rajaa's decision for this perma ban, regardless Maverik did deserve a warning or a short term ban at worst. Maverik became a scapegoat for a troll's own fun, and you guys fell for it.
If you can't use your own judgment to research first and judge later, then, don't take such sudden actions. It questions your ability to mod a forum badly.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DW on July 12, 2014, 12:39:55 am
You mean the exact same tight leash he already was on at the time he started pissing insults at someone for just disagreeing with him ?
Yes. You seem to be missing the point that he was already in the "red" zone. Just because he didn't start cursing and typing in all caps, or w/e it is he's known for doing, doesn't make what he did do not warrant his ban. He KNEW what the conditions and stakes were. 5-7 months isn't a long time at all imo. I have nothing against or for the guy. Same with Umezono. My take on the matter is completely unbiased and from a outside look on the endeavor. Umezono said/did nothing to warrant him being insulted. Aside from disagreeing with what LM had said. That's the bottom line. Maybe it did come on suddenly, but those were the conditions he came back under.
If anything, I see it as Rajaa handled the situation before it escalated to a point where profanity and hollering would have ensued. If someone was already permabanned, though managed to get back in somehow, the last thing they should be doing is starting petty arguments and insulting people for disagreeing with them. You're looking at it as he didn't say as much as you'd might expect him to. Regardless, whether he called Umezono worst or not doesn't matter. What matters is that he stepped out of bounds either way it goes. If things don't get enforced, no one will respect the rules laid out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 12, 2014, 12:45:29 am
Laharl and Kyoudou Senna, let me quote what probation implies.
Quote
WHAT HAPPENS IF I DON’T FOLLOW THE RULES OF MY PROBATION?
Not taking probation seriously is a huge mistake. The point of probation is making sure that the public is safe – if someone disregards an aspect of their probation, then the public may not be as safe as possible. When somebody breaks the rules of their probation, they have to go in front of the judge again. Ultimately, the person can be sent to prison or jail for breaking probation.
The point of probation is taking the past into account. No warning was needed for the permaban. Maverik was well aware of the rules, but chose not to follow them, it's his fault. Umezono was kind enough not to ban him after he was called an idiot for the first time. If anything, I would have banned him after his second post containing an insult.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 12, 2014, 12:47:06 am
that "Jail" isnt permanent though most of the time now is it? assuming its not murder related.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on July 12, 2014, 12:47:49 am
That insta ban seems too excessive for me and uncalled for.
Just because you think it is, doesn't mean it actually is, and it doesn't put a bad light on whoever took the decision. And you're wrong.
It was going to happen, and anything else would only have resulted in the exact same thing happening again later down the line. You wanted a shorter ban ? Congratulation, this is happening again 7 months from now. He gets yet another tight leash to add to his collection ? 5 more months and we're all right back on the exact same spot.
It's positively terrible that people go in circles so much, so often, so easily. When does it just not happen and when does everyone else get a chance to go 7 months without this happening again ? Is it okay as long as we can still just ban him knowing he's on a tight leash ? Then that's just never going to be okay for everyone else.
that "Jail" isnt permanent though most of the time now is it? assuming its not murder related.
This isn't jail. He's free to go elsewhere. We don't HAVE to put up with the same thing every few months just because he can't stop showering people with insults for no good reason. Just let him go somewhere else.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on July 12, 2014, 12:53:50 am
Why is everyone saying he wasn't warned? I specifically told him to calm down and he escalated as soon as Umezono posted again.
He disregarded what I told him. I specifically told him that because he was getting out of line. He kept on going with it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on July 12, 2014, 12:55:53 am
Because, to be honest, its as if we've almost gotten used to the "idea" of problem users getting a lot of "last chances" and doing this sort of thing. Bit of a circle really.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on July 12, 2014, 12:56:31 am
@ume You didn't get his point he was trying to make I could even see what he was talking about he went overboard on how he handled it but I got his point you completely missed what he was saying.
We all understood the point MAVERIK was making. Most of us just happened to disagree with it, because it is a pretty big stretch. No one deserves to get insulted so much simply for disagreeing on something, especially for something as inconsequential as the meaning of someone else's post.
I won't deny Maverik was insulting Umezono (whichever didn't understand the other person's points now goes to the toilet because Maverik was pretty much trolled by siding with a blatant troll unwillingly), but the sudden insta ban was uncalled for.
Warning or a short term ban would have been more proper here. That insta ban seems too excessive for me and uncalled for.
I'm seriously questioning Rajaa's decision for this perma ban, regardless Maverik did deserve a warning or a short term ban at worst. Maverik became a scapegoat for a troll's own fun, and you guys fell for it.
If you can't use your own judgment to research first and judge later, then, don't take such sudden actions. It questions your ability to mod a forum badly.
Again, MAVERIK is a special case. He was on probation, and he failed the terms of that.
Because, to be honest, its as if we've almost gotten used to the "idea" of problem users getting a lot of "last chances" and doing this sort of thing. Bit of a circle really.
So what if they do? It hasn't really become a giant issue. People like MAVERIK and Navana were given chances and they were watched closely. Even if they eventually failed, that shouldn't mean we should never give anyone another chance ever, otherwise why not just use permabans for everything?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Kyoudou Senna on July 12, 2014, 01:00:08 am
I'm aware of the fact he was put onto probation, and yes, he did deserve some sort of punishment, Cybaster.
What I don't agree here with, and that's what irks me, its using the past card for the perma ban (a short term ban would have been more fitting here) when all the people who posted in the topic, including Umezono and Maverik were all FOOLED by the op, and Maverik ended being the scapegoat (again, I won't deny Maverik was stupid for insulting Umezono, but Umezono who had more valid reasons to punish Maverik didn't do it and instead had a better judgment (I want to believe he decided to discuss this with the rest of the staff before taking sudden actions)).
Understand I'm not justifying his past. But being permanently banned because of the past and for being a scapegoat for a troll's own fun, that seems unnecessary and kinda abusive from Rajaa.
Sorry, Cybaster, but I can't agree with choice taken here. He's not innocent, but, he was fooled by a troll who got what he wanted in the end.
That insta ban seems too excessive for me and uncalled for.
Just because you think it is, doesn't mean it actually is, and it doesn't put a bad light on whoever took the decision. And you're wrong.
It was going to happen, and anything else would only have resulted in the exact same thing happening again later down the line. You wanted a shorter ban ? Congratulation, this is happening again 7 months from now. He gets yet another tight leash to add to his collection ? 5 more months and we're all right back on the exact same spot.
It's positively terrible that people go in circles so much, so often, so easily. When does it just not happen and when does everyone else get a chance to go 7 months without this happening again ? Is it okay as long as we can still just ban him knowing he's on a tight leash ? Then that's just never going to be okay for everyone else.
What he does after that and what he did in the past is not of my interest. I'm only focused on what's happening NOW.
So, if someone's fool for falling to a troll's tactic deserves to be banned permanently for that? That's a flawed logic, you know?
Besides, from what I see you just quoted for me, you didn't seem to bother to read the rest of my statement on why I consider this permaban undeserving.
Why is everyone saying he wasn't warned? I specifically told him to calm down and he escalated as soon as Umezono posted again.
He disregarded what I told him. I specifically told him that because he was getting out of line. He kept on going with it.
Because they see it as he ONLY called Umezono an idiot. They also overlooked your post saying that you had warned him. Despite his already "red" zone condition. They see it as him calling Umezono that harmless, as he could have done much worst. Yes, he could have said worst. Though why give him the chance to do so? Also, if you're wrong, you're wrong. Whether it was in a "blaze of glory", or just a seemingly "harmless" insult, it's still wrong.
This isn't jail. He's free to go elsewhere. We don't HAVE to put up with the same thing every few months just because he can't stop showering people with insults for no good reason. Just let him go somewhere else.
^Couldn't have said it better myself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on July 12, 2014, 01:06:01 am
So, if someone's fool for falling to a troll's tactic deserves to be banned permanently for that? That's a flawed logic, you know?
... What you say has absolutely nothing to do with anything that happened. He didn't fall for a troll, and he didn't get banned for siding with a troll. Don't say he's a victim of someone else, don't say he was fooled, and don't say it's why he was banned.
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Besides, from what I see you just quoted for me, you didn't seem to bother to read the rest of my statement on why I consider this permaban undeserving.
That's a baseless thing to say. Just because I quote only one sentence of your post, doesn't mean I didn't read the rest. It means I'm summing it up and I don't want to quote the entirety of your post. Not to mention that the rest of your post didn't actually shed any light on that particular line I quoted, you're just questioning Rajaa's judgement and his position as a mod. Well, aside from your belief that Maverik fell for a troll, but that's just plain wrong. So like I said, just because it's what you think, doesn't mean it's true, and also, you're wrong.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Kyoudou Senna on July 12, 2014, 01:19:48 am
So, if someone's fool for falling to a troll's tactic deserves to be banned permanently for that? That's a flawed logic, you know?
... What you say has absolutely nothing to do with anything that happened. He didn't fall for a troll, and he didn't get banned for siding with a troll. Don't say he's a victim of someone else, don't say he was fooled, and don't say it's why he was banned.
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Besides, from what I see you just quoted for me, you didn't seem to bother to read the rest of my statement on why I consider this permaban undeserving.
That's a baseless thing to say. Just because I quote only one sentence of your post, doesn't mean I didn't read the rest. It means I'm summing it up and I don't want to quote the entirety of your post. Not to mention that the rest of your post didn't actually shed any light on that particular line I quoted, you're just questioning Rajaa's judgement and his position as a mod. Well, aside from your belief that Maverik fell for a troll, but that's just plain wrong. So like I said, just because it's what you think, doesn't mean it's true, and also, you're wrong.
Then, if he didn't fall for a troll, why did he agree with the op? For me this was mostly blame of the op for starting with the topic under the blanket of making it an innocent question. He was a troll since the beginning. Period.
I understand he deserved some punishment for insulting Umezono just because he didn't agree with his decision, but I'm seeing this going too far because of you guys using the past excuse. I'll say it again, since you don't seem to get it. I'm not interested on what happened in the past. I'm interested on what happened now, and I still feel he was an unwitting scapegoat for a troll's own fun. If you don't want to understand and keep yourself being close minded and stick to the fact he deserves to be banned for life, then, by all means.
However, don't get me wrong, I don't intend for him to be unbanned just like that (he has his own blame for insulting to begin with), but I think the ban should be of shorter length.
I'm questioning Rajaa's decision for banning him THIS TIME. Whatever he did in the past might be worth of being banned, but here, outside the fact he was warned already for insulting Umezono and getting insta ban, seems going too far.
For me, Maverik deserved a lesser punishment.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on July 12, 2014, 01:28:35 am
Then, if he didn't fall for a troll, why did he agree with the op?
His ban has nothing to do with who he was agreeing with. He was banned because he gushed insults at someone just because he didn't agree. It's completely irrelevant that this happened in a particular topic, which may or may not happen to be a troll. It doesn't matter if it was a troll, and it doesn't matter that LM was agreeing with him or not. He was banned for the insults. You're starting from calling the topic a troll, you say Mav "fell for it", and you act like it's relevant. But it's not. It has nothing to do with the fact that Mav started insulting someone for disagreeing with him, and it has nothing to do with the ban that followed those insults. It just happens to be the particular topic where it took place. But the insults are not related to the troll, and the ban is not related to the troll either, or to Mav agreeing with a potential troll. He didn't need to throw insults like that. Mav didn't get banned because of the troll. No one even cares if the topic was a troll or not.
Then you're the one who don't get it, because you're completely ignoring the entire fact that he was on probation. You say you don't care about the past, but the fact is that no one cares that you're not interested in the past because it's exactly the past that matters. And it matters a lot. If you say you're not interested in it, then you're the one who's missing the entire point of the probation. Everyone else IS interested in the past, and they're completely right to be interested in the past. If you're not, then you're wrong. Because it was the very condition for which he was allowed to come back in the first place. He broke that condition, so his right to come back is revoked, which means he's back to a permaban. If you're not interested in that, then you're just plain wrong, there's just no other way to put it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on July 12, 2014, 01:34:19 am
Because, to be honest, its as if we've almost gotten used to the "idea" of problem users getting a lot of "last chances" and doing this sort of thing. Bit of a circle really.
So what if they do? It hasn't really become a giant issue. People like MAVERIK and Navana were given chances and they were watched closely. Even if they eventually failed, that shouldn't mean we should never give anyone another chance ever, otherwise why not just use permabans for everything?
Navana was kinda funny though how he immediately got shitcanned almost like half a week ro so after getting let back in. But I guess that wasn't really th ebest thing I could have said. Sorry bout that.
What I am gonna say tho is pretty much repeating myself. (Not at you Jmorph or the mods I've spoken with some of them and they are alright guys)
"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it."
"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it."
"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it."
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 12, 2014, 01:34:41 am
but I'm seeing this going too far because of you guys using the past excuse. I'll say it again, since you don't seem to get it. I'm not interested on what happened in the past. I'm interested on what happened now, and I still feel he was an unwitting scapegoat for a troll's own fun
Let's sum it up : - The whole point of the probation is that all of Maverik's actions and posts are judged based on his past actions. You can say all you want you're not interested in the past, it doesn't change the fact that everybody is judging him on his past actions, because that's how criminal justice works. You usually don't go to jail for stealing a bike. However, you can go to jail for stealing a bike if it's the 50th time you've been caught and are on probation. You can't judge someone for stealing a bike and say "I don't care that he already stole 500 other bikes ! I will only judge his present crime aka he just stole a bike, this doesn't warrant jail !!!" - The troll thing has nothing to do with the ban. The reason Maverik is banned is because he started insulting Umezono. All the rest is secondary.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Kyoudou Senna on July 12, 2014, 02:03:04 am
Then, if he didn't fall for a troll, why did he agree with the op?
His ban has nothing to do with who he was agreeing with. He was banned because he gushed insults at someone just because he didn't agree. It's completely irrelevant that this happened in a particular topic, which may or may not happen to be a troll. It doesn't matter if it was a troll, and it doesn't matter that LM was agreeing with him or not. He was banned for the insults. You're starting from calling the topic a troll, you say Mav "fell for it", and you act like it's relevant. But it's not. It has nothing to do with the fact that Mav started insulting someone for disagreeing with him, and it has nothing to do with the ban that followed those insults. It just happens to be the particular topic where it took place. But the insults are not related to the troll, and the ban is not related to the troll either, or to Mav agreeing with a potential troll. He didn't need to throw insults like that. Mav didn't get banned because of the troll. No one even cares if the topic was a troll or not.
Then you're the one who don't get it, because you're completely ignoring the entire fact that he was on probation. You say you don't care about the past, but the fact is that no one cares that you're not interested in the past because it's exactly the past that matters. And it matters a lot. If you say you're not interested in it, then you're the one who's missing the entire point of the probation. Everyone else IS interested in the past, and they're completely right to be interested in the past. If you're not, then you're wrong. Because it was the very condition for which he was allowed to come back in the first place. He broke that condition, so his right to come back is revoked, which means he's back to a permaban. If you're not interested in that, then you're just plain wrong, there's just no other way to put it.
The fact I'm not interested in his past actions that warranted him a probation doesn't mean I'm ignorant about it (don't confuse lack of interest for ignorance). Whatever he would have done after if he was unbanned wouldn't be of my interest either, if he would break his probation if he was spared after this, it's his problem. Again. I agree with him being punished, but I'm still against the idea to have turned this into a permanent ban.
I can't change the fact you believe he deserves to be perma banned for insulting Umezono. But at the same time, you can't change the fact I believe he was, at least, this time, a scapegoat and the perma ban seems too far. And I'll say it one more time. While the permanent ban is still an excessive decision, he did deserve a punishment for his actions (I still believe a short term ban would have been enough). Insulting Umezono wasn't necessary from his side.
but I'm seeing this going too far because of you guys using the past excuse. I'll say it again, since you don't seem to get it. I'm not interested on what happened in the past. I'm interested on what happened now, and I still feel he was an unwitting scapegoat for a troll's own fun
Let's sum it up : - The whole point of the probation is that all of Maverik's actions and posts are judged based on his past actions. You can say all you want you're not interested in the past, it doesn't change the fact that everybody is judging him on his past actions, because that's how criminal justice works. You usually don't go to jail for stealing a bike. However, you can go to jail for stealing a bike if it's the 50th time you've been caught and are on probation. You can't judge someone for stealing a bike and say "I don't care that he already stole 500 other bikes ! I will only judge his present crime aka he just stole a bike, this doesn't warrant jail !!!" - The troll thing has nothing to do with the ban. The reason Maverik is banned is because he started insulting Umezono. All the rest is secondary.
Honestly, I'm still in disagreement for how things were handled on this situation. But if that's the final word, then, I can't do anything else about it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on July 12, 2014, 02:09:44 am
Also note it's not the 1st time he was banned. The difference between the time he was allowed back last time and this time is that you wasn't around (active?) the last time.
It's exceptionally hard to get perma banned here. And he even came back from that!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Kyoudou Senna on July 12, 2014, 02:19:56 am
Also note it's not the 1st time he was banned. The difference between the time he was allowed back last time and this time is that you wasn't around (active?) the last time.
It's exceptionally hard to get perma banned here. And he even came back from that!
More like minding my own business, but this went widespread, and I was feeling something suspicious about that topic from my POV since early in the night.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on July 12, 2014, 02:20:54 am
Maverik was given a chance, he was well aware of the provisions set fourth for him. If he fucked up, he was gone. He fucked up, so he's gone. Kind of anti-climatic, but based on past history I don't think anyone would've wanted to see it get that far.
I guess one can argue it was unfair, but we're grownups here, I think we can take an unfair life. Maverik only has himself to blame for the position he put himself in, sorry.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 12, 2014, 02:28:30 am
nobody should get a pass because they said really dumb shit in a thread started by a troll or bad poster. makes no difference
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on July 12, 2014, 06:57:06 am
@ume You didn't get his point he was trying to make I could even see what he was talking about he went overboard on how he handled it but I got his point you completely missed what he was saying.
I completely understood his point, I was trying to tell him that his point had nothing to do with that troll account's stupid post. And he started ranting at me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on July 12, 2014, 07:08:31 am
well, the nickname B___________________ quite implies someone with a lot of time on its hands for nothing...
Guys, everything is beautiful and the support and all that but he always should´ve been aware of his probation. He fucked up, he is banned. End of story. Justified or not?? There are better ways to present an argument instead of insulting.
Quite sad his rant was for nothing... that´s really sad.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on July 12, 2014, 07:10:27 am
Also I was a fan of Maverik's work so yeah it is a shame
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 12, 2014, 08:09:49 am
me too I have attempted to explain my points as well in the other chat but I can see I won't win this one so I give up.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on July 13, 2014, 12:33:50 am
I banned Maverik because he ignored warnings, disregarded his probation, and was receding back into his old habits of insulting people in the most irrelevant, unprovoked, and tangential way possible without even understanding why he's doing it.
He was permanently banned twice, not including this time.
The first time was because of the same behavior he exhibited recently, but 10 times worse. I banned him the first time. Incidentally, I personally let him back the first time, on my own accord, because he had given his word via a Mugen Infantry PM to not be difficult as he was before.
He was banned again after that because, like recently, he slowly crept back into his old habits of thinking he's so superior to everyone and that everyone who isn't him should be insulted (he even insulted people who were active fans of his work). Titiln was the one who banned him during this instance.
The only reason he came back this last time was because he created an alternate account and the staff overlooked it because of this giving people 50 chances habit that we have. Upon discovering his alternate account, the condition for him to stay was for him to not act how he acted when he got banned the first couple of times.
He broke those conditions and now he's banned. Warning him is unnecessary and I don't see the need for a discussion when it was already decided what would happen if he went into a recession.
He was also banned a couple of times in between the 3 most prominent bans.
People like Laharl and Kyoudou Senna who have no idea what they're talking about need to ask inquire before making baseless posts and saying irrational things like, "I don't care about the past, it doesn't matter." The past matters and anyone with a brain and two sticks can figure that out. The past matters even more here because the conditions of this user's continued use of this forum under the alias and identity of Maverik was based on the assurance that Maverik himself didn't act how he acted in the past.
This really shouldn't have been a big discussion. Maverik is unchanged and once I saw pieces of the insulting posting style that he swore to abandon make its ugly debut against one of the agents related to the entity that gave him so much mercy, I took it upon myself to ban him to show him that heshouldn't treat people who are nice to himlike shit, and so we wouldn't have a long topic about who actually is a living mass of feces.
Any questions? No? Good.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on July 13, 2014, 12:38:50 am
People like Laharl and Kyoudou Senna who have no idea what they're talking about need to ask inquire before making baseless posts and saying irrational things like, "I don't care about the past, it doesn't matter."
i thought the same as i read the thread
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Sean Altly on July 13, 2014, 06:58:19 am
"The past" is the entire issue here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 13, 2014, 02:42:18 pm
once I saw pieces of the insulting posting style that he swore to abandon make its ugly debut against one of the agents related to the entity that gave him so much mercy, I took it upon myself to ban him
I love your posting style.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lith on July 13, 2014, 02:44:35 pm
Rajaa's the hero Guild deserves
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Laharl on July 15, 2014, 10:45:03 am
but not the one it needs. (wait does that make sense)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Rajaa on July 15, 2014, 12:17:25 pm
No, it doesn't make sense, much like the rest of your posts on this subject.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on July 15, 2014, 01:30:15 pm
You're implying Christopher Nolan doesn't make sense, you heretic !!! >:(
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MightyKombat on July 15, 2014, 03:04:42 pm
I know I sound like a broken record here but I gotta say again, those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it and as much as I wanted to believe he got better and that this was just a misstep we gotta take his history into account.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on July 15, 2014, 03:09:49 pm
[Sprite projects] is for "larger" spriting projects. ... If you just wish to show off your sprites that are not part of a larger project please post them in Graphic Arts. ... - Please do not post custom sprites unless you have at least 3 full animations completed. For smaller projects where you are still figuring out the how and why post in Graphic Arts. Once your project is large enough you can move your thread to this board or make a new thread here...
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 09, 2014, 01:39:36 am
Moved it.
On the subject of the thread I didn't move in reports right now: we also allow credible authors to make wip threads without the need for screenshots, etc. So there is precedence for allowing certain users more allowances in those kinds of boards.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 09, 2014, 01:49:02 am
ink's thread should be moved back. http://mugenguild.com/forum/boardseen./topics/sprite-projects-next-cps3-conversion-project--161448.msg1998663.html#new
sprite projects should not be treated like the other boards, for now at least. ink already has a reputation and it's not like the board is flooding with new threads that need attention (the oldest last post in page 1 for sprite projects is from five weeks, compared to just days ago for projects). there was absolutely nothing bad from having it there
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on August 19, 2014, 02:52:29 pm
This guy: http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/tzu-82763
What should be done to him? A three days ban? He disregarded Iced's warning.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Tzu on August 19, 2014, 02:57:12 pm
Some people will forever be insects.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on August 19, 2014, 02:57:55 pm
With that story you were talking about yourself then. Okay. You deserve a ban.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Tzu on August 19, 2014, 02:58:49 pm
Dont worry bro i see.the fact that you put your self instantly as a giant,Implies the oposite.Insect will forever be insects.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on August 19, 2014, 02:59:39 pm
Dont worry bro i see.the fact that you put your self instantly as a giant,Implies the oposite.Insect will forever be insects.
Hey, you're implying you're pretending to be the giant then, but that demonstrates you're the opposite. Insect will forever be insects. :XD: Come on, continue.
Actually I was thinking about being a spectator of that story, not the giant. :P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Tzu on August 19, 2014, 03:02:45 pm
I always find it amusing when ants threaten to bite me.gl with that
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on August 19, 2014, 03:03:27 pm
I always find it amusing when ants threaten to bite me.gl with that
Continue, continue, I want to see the end of your story. Why does the spectator have to be an ant? Again you're pretending to be better than me, and that implies "you know what".
@Person Man: you have some work to do here. You could move this in the Shit Thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Tzu on August 19, 2014, 03:12:50 pm
Yes i may be banned,but you know what, that stage will appear on net one day and I will have no problem using a replace till then.I barely use forums any ways . Now look at where you are this moment . Condoning a troll, which you got your own self into.I may be banned .Yess but you be in similar trouble for encouraging it by just principle.Look @ where you ego has got you.Me being the giant i am a custom doing the tango with other giants .This is not my first time getting in trouble on internet. Unfortunately for you flies never survive stray bullets.
You jumped in the line of fire with no bullet proof vest, for someone who doesn't even know or care that you are taking a bullet for them.You and me wil be gone and guess what he is just fine.Just the publicity alone will speed up the process in which the stage will appear on the net.You must love wasting your own time and time of people excluding me.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on August 19, 2014, 03:15:37 pm
Yeah yeah, whatever. Keep thinking about your story about giants, insects and ants and new characters: "stray bullets".
Oh wow, you're a genius. I partook in your evil plan without realizing, now you will get the stage immediately. What did I do?:bigcry: I have wasted your time too if you continuously replied to me. :smug:
And none of this would have happened if you used common sense in the first place. But no, when people tell you you did something wrong you have to act all mighty and think you're superior, huh? And then you use the "you're wasting your time" card.
Why do you need it as soon as possible? Reading your post, it seems you have no problem waiting.
Also, cool, you're ban evading. Great.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 19, 2014, 03:19:35 pm
thats ridiculous, go out and have a stroll you are trying to build a storylline with you as the hero over requesting a file on the internet. use the request area following the rules as provided. have a good day.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 19, 2014, 06:13:03 pm
Is he banned yet ?
Don't worry Tzu, everything's gonna be alright. You're just a worthless piece of shit who forgot to take his pills. Many mods and admins are here to give them to you. Everything will be fine. ;)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on August 19, 2014, 06:13:21 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on August 19, 2014, 06:34:57 pm
some guy i'll forget a week from now said:
Me being the giant i am a custom doing the tango with other giants .
Who is he? protip: i don't care
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on August 19, 2014, 07:58:59 pm
Given that one of his posts was linking one of my videos I'm expecting to be PM bombed by him on YT for it ::)
Anyway, nothing lost by getting rid of him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on August 19, 2014, 08:04:56 pm
Yeah don't make him up as the victim either, his behavior justifies Cyb's and Alex's comments all the same.
Except the next person who does that might get warned or banned for it and that will only confirm that we like them (and you too ) better and therefore are biased.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 20, 2014, 12:28:10 am
Calling someone a worthless piece of shut is going a bit far to be justified
Yeah, but that's the same with calling people ants and the weird shit this guy pulled. I'm not saying the responses were right (Alex got carried away too easily) but this guy's behavior is no more excusable than the responses he got. Especially if those responses were... responses. Had Alex and Cyb started off with those comments for some reason, then the ants trip would have looked different. But he's the one who goaded people and asked for the responses he got. He's not the victim, he's the cause.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on August 20, 2014, 01:05:24 am
It doesnt matter who caused it there are standards to posting here. Goaded or not I exepct users to behave themselves. Two wrongs dont make a right, its not as bad since its in response to a crazy person being crazy, but its still not acceptable to.make baseless ad hominems just cause another person is being stupid.
Im not treating this guy as a victim, just telling people to cool it. It reflects badly on a community when.one bad poster causes even more bad posting by normally great members. You can tell people theyre stupid for being stupid but this guy ddnt say anything to warrant a response like "worthless piece of shit"
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: -Red- on August 20, 2014, 01:14:32 am
Man, I miss the old times back in 2007 when hosting somebody else's char without his permission was enough to warrant a reply like "worthless piece of shit". What does one have to do around here nowadays to get that kind of replies??
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on August 20, 2014, 01:15:49 am
Man, I miss the old times back in 2007 when hosting somebody else's char without his permission was enough to warrant a reply like "worthless piece of shit". What does one have to do around here nowadays to get that kind of replies??
Maybe being Vyx and doing Vyx stuff applies ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on August 20, 2014, 01:21:37 am
Man, I miss the old times back in 2007 when hosting somebody else's char without his permission was enough to warrant a reply like "worthless piece of shit". What does one have to do around here nowadays to get that kind of replies??
Something illegal, borderline illegal, blatantly racist, sexist, homophobic, or just downright unethical.
And in many of those cases, I'd say it's well-deserved. Like that one guy who said, "I'm in jamaica... we kill gay here," or something to that effect, like what the fuck?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on August 20, 2014, 01:23:51 am
Man, I miss the old times back in 2007 when hosting somebody else's char without his permission was enough to warrant a reply like "worthless piece of shit". What does one have to do around here nowadays to get that kind of replies??
they have to be you.............
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 20, 2014, 01:29:14 am
Like I said, I wasn't being apologetic to the responses. Just saying the guy was just as bad and let's not lose track of that. I don't think those responses "justify" comments like what that guy said, that's what I'm saying. How the responses are received is a different matter.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: MissB on August 20, 2014, 01:33:01 am
Man, I miss the old times back in 2007 when hosting somebody else's char without his permission was enough to warrant a reply like "worthless piece of shit". What does one have to do around here nowadays to get that kind of replies??
Maybe being Vyx and doing Vyx stuff applies ?
I miss Vyx, I wonder whatever happened to him
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on August 20, 2014, 01:34:09 am
Gouki shungokusatsu'd him because he wasn't a true warrior.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 20, 2014, 01:35:26 am
Or maybe Byakko punched him in the face for real, even though the Hall of Fame topic says otherwise ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 20, 2014, 01:36:30 am
Man, I miss the old times back in 2007 when hosting somebody else's char without his permission was enough to warrant a reply like "worthless piece of shit". What does one have to do around here nowadays to get that kind of replies??
Maybe being Vyx and doing Vyx stuff applies ?
Time to create a website to sell Z2 "fullgames" :idea:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 20, 2014, 10:59:31 am
I'll probably have to ask Helder Santos to convert them to HD beforehand. We can't sell a fullgame if it isn't HD.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on August 21, 2014, 05:02:17 am
I'll probably have to ask Helder Santos to convert them to HD beforehand. We can't sell a fullgame if it isn't HD.
:disappointed: aw damn
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on August 22, 2014, 03:50:28 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2011194
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Is this a straight up form of mocking that we should ask JZ/anyone not to do? Or is it a direct exaggerated form of what Chuchoryu does to be shown as a more in your face manner of feedback?
It mocks him a little, but it's more of the latter in my opinion. No need for the slap-on-the-wrist ban.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Walt on August 22, 2014, 03:59:40 pm
ARE YOU SERIOUS?
That edit is many years old. And it is by no means about Chuchoryu at all.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 22, 2014, 04:00:05 pm
Serious about what?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on August 22, 2014, 04:00:57 pm
I know, it was made by Vegeta20XX. I agree with what JNP did in the topic, that image would have needed more informations.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 22, 2014, 04:06:38 pm
To note a slap on the wrist isn't a ban either :P A ban is getting much more serious. And then it gets easier to be banned for longer after that. That wasn't on the table for this "incident".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 22, 2014, 04:14:48 pm
walt, Chu made an animation of Kuma, and JZ posted that sprite because it was animated the same way - and looked just as terrible. JZ posted it as a comparison to tell how bad it is. JZ posting that image is no different from anyone else saying "that animation is terrible". Unless you start slapping everyone else the same way, there's no reason to react to JZ's post.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 22, 2014, 04:18:52 pm
Everyone else posts information with it. It just looks kinda bad by itself. In the feedback thread you can see I had the same thought as you at 1st.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 22, 2014, 04:21:44 pm
Do people posting "wow, that looks terrible" with nothing else get slapped ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 22, 2014, 04:22:29 pm
I think so. I mean they should be. I've slapped them for it before. I can't say they all do. If I see it I say something because that doesn't help anything.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 22, 2014, 04:24:03 pm
They should get slapped if they do that all day long and don't do anything else, not if they do it once. People are allowed to have an opinion and not justify themselves as long as they're not being obvious assholes 24/7.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 22, 2014, 04:27:46 pm
That's fair enough too. But I don't think it hurts to say something on the 1st offense or the 5th.
Just saying something is terrible without feedback is pretty much the same as "I expected x character" instead. But I tend to view these things more casually. I'm not trying to scare these people. I just want to let them know that those kinds of posts can be harmful.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Titiln on August 22, 2014, 04:30:47 pm
i can't really tell if the post is 100% mean spirited or not. i don't think posting an image like that without context helps. not everybody's going to get what you mean, even if you think it's fairly obvious. like this other post (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2007853) which isn't mean spirited, it's just saying you're comparing apples to oranges, but as felo demonstrated it can be confusing
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 22, 2014, 04:36:42 pm
The actual problem here is the mob mentality in the particular case of Chu. It's just that this is a hot subject because it's been going on for years.
Take the same event but change one variable at a time, see if and when it bothers you. Change the topic : if a comment like that happened once in a completely random topic, it wouldn't be a big issue. Anyone SHOULD be able to take this kind of comment *once* without the topic imploding and melting. It's when the topic is flooded by it that it goes to hell. Change the poster : see my previous post. Even if it was meant as an attack, it wasn't really THAT insulting. It wasn't a torrent of fuckyous or anything. So the only real problem here is that it happens repeatedly in the particular topics that involve Chu. This kind of comments can be harmful, sure, but only if they're repeated, by the same person, or to the same person. If you take this particular instance and say it happened just once or twice, it's really not a problem. So really, the only thing to say in this case is that Chu's is a dangerous subject, and JZ himself isn't really at fault, it's just the same warning Chu's topics always get.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 22, 2014, 04:46:59 pm
I used the same logic when I was talking to Iced on google talk once it came up in warnings. I decided that I may be allowing it more because it is Chu and his history. Which is why I asked someone that isn't in the community here. Taking the history out of it and looking at face value from an outsider looking at the forum.
After that I still felt it wasn't worth anything even as strict as deleting. I figured it'd be best just to explain how a post like that would be more acceptable with a bit more info. It offsets the "mocking" aspect more so even those that are easier to cry fowl can accept the post better. Call it a compromise. If my post seemed threatening or hostile and not polite then that was not my intent and I will apologize right away.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 22, 2014, 04:55:24 pm
Long story short, when you asked "am I being biased against Chu for allowing it", I was more thinking along the lines of "you're biased against JZ for thinking of slapping that post". (except that was when I did mistake your "slap on the wrist" comment for the 3-day ban before you clarified that, since the 3-day ban is often considered as a slap on the wrist :P)
It's not that your post was hostile, it's that it's a hot topic and you're overthinking it. It's like every time something happens, you have to rethink the whole affair "should I or should I not allow it". And sometimes, you (not you specifically I mean, I'm generally speaking here) confuse the backlog of how many times it happened for an increased gravity of this particular instance. Make a decision on what is acceptable and what isn't on the Chu subject, and stick to it. Don't focus on a specific post by a specific poster, otherwise it does look like you're unloading the accumulated stress on that particular person. I don't have anything against your call for order and description of what "good feedback" would be, mind you, but it came about in a kind of targeted way.
(by the way, after you clarified what you meant by slap on the wrist, what I'm saying here is probably much less relevant ; it's just a general comment on how this kind of subject is handled)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 22, 2014, 05:14:19 pm
I see what you're saying. But there are still 2 small issues that elevate this particular post more than a normal post simply saying "This is terrible"
It's an image. Images "can speak a thousand words" if you will. And it was brought to my attention by someone else in chat that didn't want to use the report button. That elevates it a bit more as well. If a post is or is not reported that increases the need for intervention just a bit.
After it was said and done I felt it wouldn't hurt just to casually say something in the thread. And here we are. If I hadn't been overthinking it then the post may have gotten deleted or maybe nothing would have happened at all. Not sure really. I'd just rather be too critical so people don't think we're just reacting on 1st sight. Also why I posted everything in public.
EDIT to your edit: I'll be sure to be more clear when I say "slap on wrist." I forget some mods use that as ban. I feel a ban is very extreme so I can see how it may be worrying for me to say that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 22, 2014, 05:59:30 pm
chuchoryu is well known for not listening the feedback so giving him more detailed feedback than"the sprite looks bad, just like this other one" is a stupid waste of time. those posts just tell him, that the animation looks bad, if he ever showsn any intent on listenning to any feedback rest assured people would give it that.
basically our options are: ignore chucho's topics, so he only will get the "positive feedback" nice char +1 posts, which means he will continue doing what he does, people outside of the comunity (lurkers, etc...) will think that a majority of the comunity aprobes that kind of work, and chucho will keep on pissing off spriters; I don't want to hurt sensibilities so I won't say names but I know a few hadnful projects that have already been cancelled/gone ´private because they got pissed at the treatment chucho gives to their resources.
give chucho detailed feedback, again a waste of time as he won't listen to any.
once in a while post some stuff that tells people that hcucho's work is generally considered bad, so other guy's who make stuff don't feel like following chucho's examples (if you consider the amount of stuff chucho posts, the ocurrences of this are actually very sparse).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 22, 2014, 06:02:05 pm
If you got nothing worth saying, theres no point posting.
If you are going to give someone feedback give it, if they arent "worth" proper feedback then dont post . If you are posting you should at least be making full posts, otherwise might as well just be posting memes in project threads that go "mfw bad sprites"
the idea that you have to shit on chuchoryu to somehow save the community from people that decide to create like he does is ridiculous and isnt worth even commenting.
Not really rocket science.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 22, 2014, 06:03:59 pm
If you got nothing worth saying, theres no point posting.
It's useful for other people who come and see it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 22, 2014, 06:04:38 pm
if what you posted wasnt worth saying then its not worth being read.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 22, 2014, 06:05:24 pm
Define what's not worth saying
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 22, 2014, 06:07:54 pm
The post i was replying to summed it.
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chuchoryu is well known for not listening the feedback so giving him more detailed feedback than"the sprite looks bad, just like this other one" is a stupid waste of time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 22, 2014, 06:09:15 pm
Make a rule that no one should give feedback to Chuchoryu, then. I mean all feedback, not just those you don't like.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 22, 2014, 06:14:53 pm
chuchoryu is well known for not listening the feedback so giving him more detailed feedback than"the sprite looks bad, just like this other one" is a stupid waste of time.
should not you be busy then, deleting most post from his releases thread, while leaving only the nice char+a ones ? I mean just take a look at his joe thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 22, 2014, 06:27:09 pm
I dont even know what you are going on about, wip threads have always been parsed for stuff like that. Posts that are memetic or do not contain feedback are discouraged in projects.
if you dont think a user deserves more detailed feedback than a picture of a bad animation done by a newbie 5 years ago when he was trying to learn to sprite without any context, then you are probably not helping anyone and should consider if you should post at all.
should not you be busy then, deleting most post from his releases thread, while leaving only the nice char+a ones ? I mean just take a look at his joe thread.
there has been several cleanups of posts insulting him on his release threads , thats a thing that happens commonly due to the ammount of people trying to insult him. No one is saying that everyone should just leave behind "Nice char plus one" posts, just to avoid posting without any feedback at all if you have something to tell him. Its not more worth posting a random post just because you dont want to leave feasible feedback. You are not going to start discussing trainsets on his project threads just because you dont like his characters. I myself have gone into long posts feedbacking his bad choices.
If you hate the extra changes by Varo_Hades that much...copy the sff onto the original PotS Cammy and shut up. Problem solved. Just enjoy what you've got, guys.
Criticizing something is not the same thing as hating something . The whole point of the criticism was that the sprites arent done wonderfully. in that stance her body rocks left and right a bunch of pixels without animation to them while her legs animate normally.
Delta has supposedly a different hat, the scar she a lready has in alpha. just google cammy alpha.
Pretty dang sure that this here is misanimated (http://s22.postimg.org/3ps0s2dhp/SF4.gif) Its jumping pixels left and right instead of animating them or having any transitions fromt he waist up shes a rushed job.
you can see the same here for one of his other characters: (http://r28.imgfast.net/users/2816/38/42/92/avatars/709-22.gif)
Not to mention how there are sprite count loss every now and then on those animations.
I dont know why you would assume I wanted bouncing boobs.
If he isnt worth your feedback dont feedback. But you and all of you can give better feedback than that and make better posts than posts with content like that. You taught me to moderate like that and if its true for "good" feedback receivers its also true for "bad" feedback receivers . I learnt it from ya, boss. =P
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 22, 2014, 06:33:13 pm
there is this thing of context, mien and jesuszilla's post were pretty much one post split it two, now I see that B-hatter's post got between them, I posted saying that the animation looked like someone used the skew tool as jesuszilla posted the skewed animation, as we both were talkign about it in irc.
to TDS: the comic people that made you doubt yoruself lakc a lot of info being external, part of their argument is based on that he does some nice looking sprites, while in fact the nice looking bits are the stuff he usually takes/steals from other people; it's like having a comic guy who makes ocasionally good panels, so people tell you you treat him too harshly, except that you know that his good looking panels are actually traced from you friend's panels.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 22, 2014, 06:43:34 pm
I dont even know what you are going on about, wip threads have always been parsed for stuff like that. Posts that are memetic or do not contain feedback are discouraged in projects.
if you dont think a user deserves more detailed feedback than a picture of a bad animation done by a newbie 5 years ago when he was trying to learn to sprite without any context, then you are probably not helping anyone and should consider if you should post at all.
chuchoryu is well known for not listening the feedback so giving him more detailed feedback than"the sprite looks bad, just like this other one" is a stupid waste of time.
What you're quoting here is saying that it's pointless to give detailed feedback - since he won't listen to them. that's what he called a waste of time. With what you're saying here, it's like you want people to NOT give detailed feedbacks - because they're pointless, which means, according to you, that it's not worth posting them.
Not to mention that one person who thinks a post is worthless doesn't mean another person will think it is too, so the whole "if it's not worth saying, then don't say it" thing has always been bogus talk for authoritarian parents who just want their kids to shut up because they said so. It's parent-talk for "If I think it's worthless, then don't say it".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 22, 2014, 06:47:39 pm
E: I understood that part :) Many users are more casual. There seems to be more of a push to make sure that people that are not deeper into the community like us don't just come in and see things like that and think this is how it should be or is here.
As long as something like that doesn't alienate the actual community still here I don't mind that sort of push and will be mindful to attempt the bridge. I don't think my post regarding that simple sprite is something that would alienate the regulars. Obviously I hope not =p
Considering the action I took I still don't get what we're talking about. I guess it's the "badge" that comes with admin makes my post rub a bit deeper but I honestly only meant to aid no one being upset on either side. I hope this makes sense. I wasn't trying to be all "OBAY ATHORITAI" I was casually addressing it.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on August 22, 2014, 06:56:40 pm
Considering the action I took I still don't get what we're talking about. I guess it's the "badge" that comes with admin makes my post rub a bit deeper but I honestly only meant to aid no one being upset on either side. I hope this makes sense. I wasn't trying to be all "OBAY ATHORITAI" I was casually addressing it.
Overthinking, don't worry, no one's still arguing about what you did.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on August 22, 2014, 06:58:45 pm
What you're quoting here is saying that it's pointless to give detailed feedback - since he won't listen to them. that's what he called a waste of time. With what you're saying here, it's like you want people to NOT give detailed feedbacks - because they're pointless, which means, according to you, that it's not worth posting them.
Not to mention that one person who thinks a post is worthless doesn't mean another person will think it is too, so the whole "if it's not worth saying, then don't say it" thing has always been bogus talk for authoritarian parents who just want their kids to shut up because they said so. It's parent-talk for "If I think it's worthless, then don't say it".
no no, i mean what i said where if you think its worthless going into detail and would rather not post then dont post at all. I too do that. E uses a technique similar ot mine, offering feedback on glaring defects, if user reacts well i go into more detail. if they dont I make a mental note and probably wont waste much time next time they release something.
TDS post in thread is how i think people should post, adding more context and feedback and not just posting the bare minimum or a picture or whatever. That stance by itself doesnt tell me much, but adding some explanation like tds did i think it turns out as a decent feedback on what not to do when animating.
Talking with E on chat he suggested that maybe tds should have just dropped the request to add more context in future posts and not bring it up on warnings since people seem to be mostly reacting to the post in warnings itself.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Akito on August 22, 2014, 07:09:56 pm
except that chuchoryu is well known for not listening the feedback so giving him more detailed feedback than"the sprite looks bad, just like this other one" is stupid.
It's just that, opinions Chuchoryu unable to listen and accept them as something constructive, so I agree with Jesuszilla with that image.
PS: And it's not the first time that the feedbacks Chuchoryu were made, but he does not listen, and also promotes the chars he does so as if they were the best chars in the world (and we know they are not, I'm sorry to say it's more sprites are ugly), saying things like "I'm Mugenmanker." Anyway, so when people do not listen to others who want to help, they are "rewarded" that way.
Sorry for the sincerity of my words.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 22, 2014, 07:14:49 pm
I thought about making the post in decisions instead but it always gets moved to warnings anyway. :p Also thought about reporting it myself to ask for feedback but wanted to be sure I could get more staff looking.
Next time in a situation like that I'll post in decisions anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Lord Kain on August 22, 2014, 09:03:14 pm
except that chuchoryu is well known for not listening the feedback so giving him more detailed feedback than"the sprite looks bad, just like this other one" is stupid.
It's just that, opinions Chuchoryu unable to listen and accept them as something constructive, so I agree with Jesuszilla with that image.
i dont agree with that image, if your willing to help or remind the guy he is still doing something wrong just write it textually even if he ignores it just write it, he does read it im sure, and for those that hate it or dislike it then ignore it,dont post a shitty image insulting the sprite work, which think thats basicaly what it is "your sprites looks just as shitty as this, it even moves shitty like yours", imo thats considered desrupting or derrailing a creators thread and it totally wasnt meant for helping at all, not whitenighting the guy just pointing out his rights
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Shin Mako on August 22, 2014, 09:21:07 pm
he is doing this for him but people like what he is doing he is not really doing this to be accepted by people this is what he want's not for people but for him and if people like it then that's fine
if he does not ever want to get or use feedback he is doing what he wants and doing it on purpose there is no reason to keep talking about what a bad job some of you guys think he is doing
as long as some people like his works he is fine to continue we can't do anything about this but make our version if we care about the fighting community
mocking him is not worth it not even solving anything but wasting time
we can only wait for a version some of you will like
this has been going on for a while if you know the result then why care about his stuff but as long as some people like his stuff he will continue
this is his way of being a creator not making perfect or done characters
but making them because he can (I think)?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on August 22, 2014, 09:59:07 pm
if you dont like the guys shit and your feedback doesnt work leave him alone cause theres nothing else you can do
if you try to be an asshole about it you just look like a dick and it might win you points with other people laughing at him but in the grand scheme of things it means jack squat. thats my opinion
on the sprite itself, there was no context to it so it couldve been taken anyway, i definitely dont think it was needed but you cant say it was objectively malicious. he could just be posting that sprote cause his animation work reminds him of that. frankly theres no problem with that.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on August 23, 2014, 03:35:55 am
There's a simplest solution: if you don't want to see more Chu posts, there's an option called "Ignore user" ;) sadly that doesn't work with created posts in boards, you should be add that option, too, admins.
By my side, I'm tired of this in all cases: making constructive feedback, saying "this is shit" and even mocking him. In all cases, it's waste of time and words and a lot of you already should know this, why still complaining about him and his works?? I just prefer to ignore his threads, being WIPS or releases, and you should make the same (or use the "Ignore User" feature). Even those pages dedicated to him are a waste of space here, move on people
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on August 23, 2014, 03:44:47 am
The situation's been resolved and I already said why I didn't ignore him in that thread.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cybaster on August 23, 2014, 04:57:36 pm
Unless you've sent him a PM or two explaining why what he was doing was wrong, I think you were a little fast in soft-banning crazymike.
The guy was indeed spamming, but with a project that used the same sprites as blackscale's project. Maybe he's new to Mugen forums, just wanted to show off the project somehow, and thought this was a good place to do so. I told him to create a topic in the WIP section if he wanted to promote this project (but then realized you already banned him).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on August 23, 2014, 05:09:44 pm
I sent him a pm after deleting his first 2 posts explaining him why were they deleted. His reply was an empty quote (no questions, no insults, no nothin'). "Huh, at least he got the message through, I guess" I said. Then a few minutes later he did the exact same thing again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Trinitronity on August 23, 2014, 07:49:18 pm
Sorry, if I'm posting in the wrong thread, but why cannot I change my avatar anymore? Is it because of that Titiln accident? If yes, then I can tell you that I will use the avatar changing more wisely from now, but please let me change my avatar again, so I can go back to square one again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on August 23, 2014, 07:56:19 pm
Yes at the moment you are still in cursed status and cannot change your profile.
This is something you'll have to earn back as well. I can't in good judgement remove any restrictions made before a ban right as soon as you get back from the ban.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on September 07, 2014, 10:02:28 am
I saw you're checking if eliott and ralfab are the same guy, but check ZORRO671 too, he posts like them/him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on September 07, 2014, 12:08:14 pm
Iced mentioned that zorro's ip didn't match those two (not that it means a whole lot but based on that it can't be said that they're the same). Doesn't say it now but that was what was posted originally.
I also believe multi-accounting should be at least a week (if not 2wks to a month). Knowingly doing it involves purposely being deceptive (unlike someone losing their cool which can happen to the best of us).
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on September 07, 2014, 04:11:32 pm
I've been saying the same thing for years.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 10, 2014, 06:36:42 pm
you could also make the hel iori ban permanent, remember that one of the reasons he only got reported once is because the rest of the people who read the topic got him on ignore (plus some of the few ones who don't asked how to put him there). he also does not speak/read english so the only topic in which he can kidn fo post is the topic in which all the users ignore him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Wolf on October 11, 2014, 12:24:46 am
He also manged to eran the dislike of the few people willing to help him.
And tokdiscos (the only person who thinks helliori wasright) is already telling us to "eat dicks".
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on October 11, 2014, 01:18:13 am
No, he said "penne" which is a type of pasta = he wanted to offend me in a "racial"/xenophobic way. What an idiot!
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Orochi Gill on October 11, 2014, 01:21:06 am
Seems they don't learn, do they? ::)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 11, 2014, 01:26:41 am
racist or homophobic, you decide.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on October 11, 2014, 01:35:50 am
I'm sorry, instead of racist I meant xenophobe.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on October 24, 2014, 11:52:34 pm
Yamcha8 is obviously Goku6 who i believe is permabanned for doing almost exactly what he's doing now.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Toonar12X on October 25, 2014, 12:10:40 am
How can I do automatic KO without pressing F1 and not soon but during the match ?
Edit: still sounds a little ignorant to me, but I still agree with you on the matter.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on October 25, 2014, 12:11:43 am
No, by continuously making the same exact topic over and over in spite of various warnings, bannings, etc. Ignorance is not a ban-worthy offense.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Jesuszilla on October 25, 2014, 12:14:00 am
Has anyone asked him why he's doing that, though?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on October 25, 2014, 01:32:08 am
You wouldn't get a response. If the answer did not directly relate (and i mean, you didn't give him the code he wanted) he simply wouldn't respond, or would respond with the equivalent of "how do i shot web" over and over.
If you gave him an answer like "this is in KFM and you can copy from there, have a look at state X" he would come back with "can you post the code" it drove me nuts after 3 months or so.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 25, 2014, 01:38:21 am
ah, it's that guy.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on November 08, 2014, 01:30:51 pm
http://mugenguild.com/forum/profile/zordon-85048
It could be Memo's alternate account. Memo explained how they know each other but I'm not buying it. They also write in the same style:
Long sentence etc. etc. etc. etc. Another long sentence etc. etc. etc. Another one yadda yadda yadda
Another paragraph etc. etc. With another sentence etc. etc. Etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
(notice the capital letter every time he goes one line down)
do you see what I mean?
Also this: http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2044375 and http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.2044378
----- opps, that reply i deleted was done on the wrong profile, im chillen with my boy zordon at the moment excuse the mix-up. ----- I never learned how that was done, and that ryu is outdated I cant just copy What he did. I would love to have it that way but I would need some help With that. If some one would help me do it I would but right now im going tru All his attacks and balancing thema little better so hes not too OP
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on November 08, 2014, 09:09:01 pm
if they do match then it can considerably be an alt.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on November 08, 2014, 09:49:10 pm
I hope you're not saying this because you think people here don't already know that
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on November 08, 2014, 09:50:43 pm
Now that you have this information you may proceed JMorphMan. God speed
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bizarro Santamorphman on November 08, 2014, 09:54:48 pm
If I don't make it back tell my wife I
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: S.D. on November 30, 2014, 12:03:25 am
It's understandable the stance about this guy's post not breaking any rules and I'm in no way saying that users should resort to backseat moderation. I'm just saying that clearly I'm not the only one bothered by this, and I'm in my right to complain as long as I'm not breaking any rules. As Byakko said, the disruptive posting behavior and the lack of understanding on how a board's discussion works gives a bad impression (He had this thread where he was the only one posting in it, why? Because because know the guy doesn't know how to discuss about a topic, it's pointless)
It's understandable the stance about this guy's post not breaking any rules and I'm in no way saying that users should resort to backseat moderation. I'm just saying that clearly I'm not the only one bothered by this, and I'm in my right to complain as long as I'm not breaking any rules. As Byakko said, the disruptive posting behavior and the lack of understanding on how a board's discussion works gives a bad impression (He had this thread where he was the only one posting in it, why? Because because know the guy doesn't know how to discuss about a topic, it's pointless)
again if it's bothering you, and it's not breaking the rules, why not just ignore him? you know what he says is just pissing you off and all it's doing is derailing the thread even more.(much like my own posts) So instead of getting a headache and arguing with a brick wall You can simply choose to remove the wall in general.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 12:21:48 am
It's understandable the stance about this guy's post not breaking any rules and I'm in no way saying that users should resort to backseat moderation. I'm just saying that clearly I'm not the only one bothered by this, and I'm in my right to complain as long as I'm not breaking any rules. As Byakko said, the disruptive posting behavior and the lack of understanding on how a board's discussion works gives a bad impression (He had this thread where he was the only one posting in it, why? Because because know the guy doesn't know how to discuss about a topic, it's pointless)
The things you share arent always interesting too.
Guess what? They're about things I'M ACTUALLY WATCHING, idiot.
You are in the wrong to complain when you deliberately derail to attack/antagonize a user. Personal problems with a user should not be addressed in an unrelated public forum.
According to Omega (who has some trouble with English by his own admission) this has been a recurring that some of you have been warned to stop in the past. Considering how innocuous his actions are (some miscommunication, hit and run news posts) they are not overly disruptive to the forum in general. Whether or not they leave a bad impression is subjective (I for one see those posts as completely harmless and sometimes informative)
Either way, since hes not breaking the rules and is not deliberately trying to start fights, there is no justification for the level of harassment he gets for posting a link or a comment . Considering there have been warnings before, I am going to treat this as a serious issue. If this stuff happens again, I won't hesitate to recommend staff action. It leave a worse impression to people when we constantly get into drama over something so stupid.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on November 30, 2014, 12:58:20 am
Just a heads up : you're never going to convince anyone (among those who already disagree) that his posting is acceptable for a discussion-oriented forum. No one involved will ever take threats of staff action into consideration when thinking that Omega's posts are killing discussions. Have you SEEN those topics where he ends up being the only one posting, with posts that are only a string of links ? Do you think it's a good thing ? How do you think that gives a better impression ?
And... no, the posts are not harmless. If he ignores the people who actually give him answers (and not even insulting him !), if, after a while, that ends up pissing off those people who get ignored for no reason when they're actually trying to talk normally to him, by definition this isn't harmless. Or what, when do you say it's harmful ? When people piss him off ? when people piss you off ? But if he's the one pissing off people for no reason, suddenly it's harmless ? How come ? Do you have a list of people that can get pissed off by someone and you'll still consider it harmless ? What's the criteria ? (oh, and don't even try to say "well it's your fault for getting pissed off at silly things like that", I'll just yell back at you for getting pissed off by curse words, different people get pissed off by different things, that's socially terrible to disregard it and you're a terrible person if you do that sort of things)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 02:26:14 am
Cmon man, thats not right. You cant have such an elitist mentality that everyone has to post exactly like you and your buddies to have a discussion. Posting links for information in a thread meant around posting information is okay. He has no obligation to continue a discussion, but he's certainly encouraged to start them which is what the point of posting links in. People who have done this to him in the past have indeed been instructed by staff not to do so. So you are in the wrong here. You 're entitled to get pissed off but you are NOT entitled to derail a thread to smack your dick in his face about how bad a poster you think he is. All this criteria stuff you're pushing in my face, its irrelevant. and he is most certainly allowed to ignore people if he wants. Thats just a right everyone has.
SO guess what? I'll take action if I see you guys act like unnecessary dicks. You can hold your pride and conviction about how destructive a guy simply posting his links/opinions to the grave, thats your issue. But I cant tolerate that thread getting derailed for the 50th time so you can shit all over him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on November 30, 2014, 02:29:42 am
Umezono, no one attacked him over not knowing something. People attacked him because they were mad because of how he treated the discussion, and because he always does that. He asked a question, he got perfectly legitimate and polite answers, and he acted like those answers didn't exist. He does that all the time, he's not just ignoring the people who insult him, he's rejecting all attempt at a discussion (and then he complains about those who get irritated).
This is not an elitist mentality. Fuck off with that term already, it's not automatically elitism when someone doesn't like something. Saying we want him to post exactly like us is a massive overstatement, it's completely ridiculous. There are a lot of people who post with wildly different styles, they get accepted just fine.
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Posting links for information in a thread meant around posting information is okay.
This is not what happened, and this is not what people got mad about. Stop denying everything when people tell you the reason they got mad.
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People who have done this to him in the past have indeed been instructed by staff not to do so. So you are in the wrong here.
The STAFF is in the wrong. Just because the staff says something doesn't automatically make it right.
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and he is most certainly allowed to ignore people if he wants. Thats just a right everyone has.
No, this isn't what happened, in this case that's antisocial behavior.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ryūku Tsukuyomi on November 30, 2014, 02:36:37 am
I think we should make a "Manga Anime" News topic, this would avoid such problems imo.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 02:38:49 am
we dont moderate antisocial behavior and we dont tolerate bullying. him "acting like the answers dont exist" is not wrong.
i will not repeat myself on this.
him asking if anyone watched a show, getting responses that it sucked, and then saying "well i saw some comments ,im gonna watch it, thanks anyway" does NOT justify your behavior. your behavior is or at least can be seen as elitist; you are grouping up with other people and attacking someone because he doesnt cooperate and align himself with you. you cant frame this in any other way. by your own admission, its because it "irritates" you that he doesnt want to have a discussion with you or listen to you.
you want to say staff is wrong for telling someone not to attack someone he/she doesnt like, i simply cant work with you on this byakko.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: S.D. on November 30, 2014, 02:40:42 am
Oh my post was moved here. I don't care anymore, as I said in my PM, the reply you moved (Which I thought you deleted until now) was a bit guaranteed after he lashed out at me for my question, but you also explained your point and the language barrier issue so bleh, Cyan Paul also has some good points at the staff section (One being his terrible skills at dealing with interaction and conversations, for one good reason he just pissed off people who actually replies to his recommendation so there's that) so I'll just agree to disagree, I'm hiding his posts anyways.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 30, 2014, 02:41:17 am
I think we should make a "Manga Anime" News topic, this would avoid such problems imo.
Wouldn't that fall under "the generic entertainment news thread"? (which I think is already getting cluttered with news that can fall under other threads, personally)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 02:43:20 am
btw, i will reiterate the reason he barely responds now is that he was told by upper staff to ignore users who antagonize him over his posting. so he was specifically instructed it was okay for him to ignore you, because nothing good has come of it thus far.
i will agree his lashing out was unwarranted, but up until now he has been ignoring you all to avoid conflict (as he was told)
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on November 30, 2014, 02:43:56 am
Omega again, huh?
So, he said he wanted to get opinions on a particular series, which would require being open to people he may not be on good terms with. He gets opinions, and makes a statement that shows he either misunderstood (in which he could've asked again) or failed to acknowledge the comments he got in that very thread. Chances are, the response won't be very kind (especially with his history).
And not seeing where any rules was broken in regards to what triggered everything (the news link thing). No one retorted with outright insults or disparaging of character. If Omega was that annoyed with what anyone posted, he would've used the report function (which he has used before) or said something in response. He eventually did the latter, but not before intervention took place. I recognize his history and whatnot, but the reaction he got was reasonable and none of the reactions were disproportionate.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on November 30, 2014, 02:45:25 am
You're treating this as if it was a one time incident. You don't understand that this is all he ever does.
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you are grouping up with other people and attacking someone who bullies you because he doesnt cooperate and align himself with you.
That's just complete bullshit. No one asked him to do everything like us, you're going to a massive extreme. We're getting mad because he doesn't even understand the common courtesy of acknowledging other people's existence since always (still not talking about an isolated incident here).
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by your own admission, its because it "irritates" you that he doesnt want to have a discussion with you or listen to you.
You're going in the completely wrong direction. First, people are talking to him like a normal person, then his lack of response is what annoys people. He doesn't ignore people because him talking annoys, them, people get annoyed BECAUSE he won't react when they're trying to talk to him.
And if you told him to ignore everyone, then that was some fucking terrible advice when people are NOT antagonizing him. How do social connections even work when you do that ?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Neocide on November 30, 2014, 02:45:41 am
SD has the right idea on the matter, ignoring him is the best way to go. I can understand the initial response, but you keep on going in on it and he obviously isn't changing how he's acting towards it and you just come out looking like a bully. When putting him on ignore could save everyone a headache.
I mean you guys EVEN KNOW it's not a one time thing, you know what you're getting from him, but you still insist on responding to him and not ignoring. It's like walking by a dog you know will bite you, but you keep going by it every time and telling it to stop, when all it does is keep biting you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: LurkerSupreme on November 30, 2014, 02:46:58 am
I think we should make a "Manga Anime" News topic, this would avoid such problems imo.
It already performs as a "doesn't deserve it's own thread" thread that just has more peppered discussions than usual. That isn't really the problem here.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on November 30, 2014, 02:49:17 am
There's been, like, three or five replies to him in the thread this started in (oh, and they weren't even attacking him, they were making fun of him for one post each until Umezono jumped in). Everything after that was staff trying to tell people to back off after the conversation was finished, just because Omega complained. Don't mix up what's happening here with people "keeping going at it".
Oh yeah, that was a nice one too. Came out of freaking nowhere, talk about aggressive behavior. || V
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ryūku Tsukuyomi on November 30, 2014, 02:49:39 am
we dont moderate antisocial behavior and we dont tolerate bullying. him "acting like the answers dont exist" is not wrong.
i will not repeat myself on this.
him asking if anyone watched a show, getting responses that it sucked, and then saying "well i saw some comments ,im gonna watch it, thanks anyway" does NOT justify your behavior. your behavior is or at least can be seen as elitist; you are grouping up with other people and attacking someone because he doesnt cooperate and align himself with you. you cant frame this in any other way. by your own admission, its because it "irritates" you that he doesnt want to have a discussion with you or listen to you.
Don't put everyone in the same bag, what I was trying to make him understand is why his behavior is a problem. I was not bullying him I was just trying to make him understand why he should think twice before posting and thats what I get:
btw, i will reiterate the reason he barely responds now is that he was told by upper staff to ignore users who antagonize him over his posting. so he was specifically instructed it was okay for him to ignore you, because nothing good has come of it thus far.
I don't see why you're mentioning this since my point wasn't about him ignoring me (It was pretty clear he was doing that already, and I don't honestly care) but ignoring other users who reply to his recommendation posts and how he also just lashed out at some if them today. Again whatever, I'm already ignoring him and I'm not losing much (Other than the flow of some conversations) since I check all the sites he tends to repost links from.
I don't think a thread just for anime news is even worth it, the existing thread suffices.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 30, 2014, 02:53:42 am
SD has the right idea on the matter, ignoring him is the best way to go.
You're right, clearly the answer is just to ignore any questions from him. It's either not an earnest question at all or he's already made up his mind anyway. Who wants to risk moderation over the possible appearance of impropriety?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 02:54:24 am
for the last time, he did not specifically ask for opinions, he aske dif anyone had watched it. and if he was referring to the comments or not when he said he wanted to watch it is really of no issue. the responses derailed the thread yet again with the purpose of antagonizing him for his decisions.
considering the fact that nobody owns him or his opinions, and he didnt even specifically ask for opinions, the reaction was indeed disproportionate.
You're treating this as if it was a one time incident. You don't understand that this is all he ever does.
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you are grouping up with other people and attacking someone who bullies you because he doesnt cooperate and align himself with you.
That's just complete bullshit. No one asked him to do everything like us, you're going to a massive extreme. We're getting mad because he doesn't even understand the common courtesy of acknowledging other people's existence since always (still not talking about an isolated incident here).
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by your own admission, its because it "irritates" you that he doesnt want to have a discussion with you or listen to you.
You're going in the completely wrong direction. First, people are talking to him like a normal person, then his lack of response is what annoys people. He doesn't ignore people because him talking annoys, them, people get annoyed BECAUSE he won't react when they're trying to talk to him.
And if you told him to ignore everyone, then that was some fucking terrible advice when people are NOT antagonizing him. How do social connections even work when you do that ?
And again, the behavior doesnt justify yours, regardless of whether or not he does it a lot.
And again, he is not doing anything wrong by not acknowledging you, especially since staff told him it was okay as people treat him maliciously
He is indeed being antagonized. People continually go 0 to 100 over his harmless posts (like you are doing) as if he is trying to murder someone. Its disproportionate.
we dont moderate antisocial behavior and we dont tolerate bullying. him "acting like the answers dont exist" is not wrong.
i will not repeat myself on this.
him asking if anyone watched a show, getting responses that it sucked, and then saying "well i saw some comments ,im gonna watch it, thanks anyway" does NOT justify your behavior. your behavior is or at least can be seen as elitist; you are grouping up with other people and attacking someone because he doesnt cooperate and align himself with you. you cant frame this in any other way. by your own admission, its because it "irritates" you that he doesnt want to have a discussion with you or listen to you.
Don't put everyone in the same bag, what I was trying to make him understand is why his behavior is a problem. I was not bullying him I was just trying to make him understand why he should think twice before posting and thats what I get:
Dog Days 3rd Season Commercial Features Kuberu, Rebecca. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-11-28/dog-days-3rd-season-commercial-features-kuberu-rebecca/.81557
Did anyone watch the first 2 seasons? I want to follow this once I finish some of the current shows I'm watching.
the staff is talented, tho they are doing that. and then araki has only directed like 5 series I guess that explains this, he'd rather only direct 5 series than work on stuff like dog days.
Especially considering that only 3 people answered him and they all basically told him it was worthless. And yet he says "great comments, I'll definitely check it out". Clearly he didn't even read those comments.
he didnt say it was these comments hes reffering to
In other words, he asks questions and then completely ignores all the responses, acting like they didn't even exist. This is all he ever does, that's what's wrong with his posts : he's a bot, posting links, raising false questions, and ignoring all discussions. (although he tries a bit harder than someone like Segatron, I'll give him that)
So you just keep posting random news about shows you don't know about? Uhh, I thought you were going to stop this.
Read my previous post. I said I was researching it and that's why I shared it to know more about it. You are not the one to tell me how to post. The things you share arent always interesting too. Do you see me bothering you? Go away man. You have no life as you are always complaining about people.
he didnt say it was these comments hes reffering to, and theres nothing wrong with his post, kindly get off his back.
edit: woops my phone quoted for me. didnt mean to quote one person, this is for all of you.
yes indeed. I did read some articles about the series and asked you guys about it after. I did some research about it but guess what. People write their own stories about posters here. Just let them. I ignore and will keep ignoring such people (3 of them).
In other words, he asks questions and then completely ignores all the responses, acting like they didn't even exist. This is all he ever does, that's what's wrong with his posts : he's a bot, posting links, raising false questions, and ignoring all discussions. (although he tries a bit harder than someone like Segatron, I'll give him that)
where do you see me ignoring posts buddy? how do you know i ask false questions. Don't talk about me anymore. I ignore "some" of you guys as you guys keep bothering me and a few more people. You guys make fun of people telling them what to do all the way. Stop acting like a king. You guys are telling me about useless posts but you guys are actually the ones with bothering and attacking people. Who is the bot now?
i dont care what any of you think of his.posting quality, thats your opinion and not fact. theres no rule against any of what he does and his posts are completely harmless. the only issue is you all derailing to attack them. please stop.
for the record, posting about stuff he doesnt know breaks.no rules rules, ignoring responses breaks no rules, and the raising false questions shit is not an excuse to start derailing and attacking him.
omega please do.not respond. this conversation is over.
You, Umezono, are absolutely the one who jumped the gun. No one attacked him, everyone barely made fun of him. He's the one who got mad, and you joined and defended him when he was the one who was lashing out for absolutely no reason (again, no one attacked him). And you're talking about bullying ? Where exactly was that ? Was it after Omega got pissed at everyone ? Because it certainly isn't in what I quoted. And I quoted everything.
You are in the wrong, Umezono. Don't try too hard to jump in with your staff badge.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Toonar12X on November 30, 2014, 03:03:44 am
byakko, calm your tits. none is in the wrong here. Omega is just ignorant of you people.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 03:04:50 am
thanks for quoting the whole thread, but i can read. i told you intially to get off his back as the post was harmless and you were all derailing once again to discuss him rather than the thread's focus. then you thought you were so smart as to try and justify why its okay to act like a humungous douchebag, and thats why i started defending the content of his posts.
dont try and backseat moderate too hard byakko, we already have 8 mods and 2 admins. i know its hard to get told what to do but it happens. dont tell me how to do my job just because i told you to stop derailing a thread. and yes, ill happily mod you again if you do it again in that thread, so go ahead and try me if you want.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Xan on November 30, 2014, 03:08:00 am
thanks for quoting the whole thread, but i can read. i told you intially to get off his back as the post was harmless and you were all derailing once again to discuss him rather than the thread's focus.
We were talking to YOU. Because YOU jumped in. This still isn't anyone bullying him. But because you jumped in, everyone had to go back and explain what they felt was wrong. So obviously there's going to be a lot of tension all of a sudden !
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dont try and backseat moderate too hard
Again, massive difference between a bunch of people getting irritated at the same thing and backseat moderation. And disagreeing with your moderation is not backseat moderation either, unless you just go and say that no one is allowed to disagree with the staff ever. Which is just plain terrible.
the staff thread said:
Also, isnt he basically srepping aside when he doesnt respond anyway?
You're still flipping around the cause and the effect of the problem.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 03:13:21 am
Yes, I never disputed that. However, I did reiterate several times this was not the place to discuss Omega and it will never be. Which you continually ignored me to continue making your point. And if you posted further quotes, I told Omega not to post either. Not like I was allowing him a soapbox. I told everyone to stop posting and everyone said their piece. I stopped discussion form there to avoid further derailment as is my job and my intention.
If you had actually respected my wishes as moderator, you would not have continued after I first asked everyone to stop. Omega stopped once I warned him and so did SD. You're the only person who feels I was totally in the wrong for stopping a derail.
My intention is not to censor your ill will towards Omega. i just want it the fuck out of irrelevant threads where a guy is just posting relevant links.
I disagree wholeheartedly with all of the bullying that has been going on with him since the beginning, and I felt it was time to draw the line as its both irrelevant and unwarranted. I nipped the problem in the bud like I am supposed to.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Niitris on November 30, 2014, 03:16:21 am
considering the fact that nobody owns him or his opinions, and he didnt even specifically ask for opinions, the reaction was indeed disproportionate.
Regardless if it was or wasn't, he quite obviously did something that frustrated people. They believed that he actively disregarded their attempts to speak with him, which most people would believe to be rude. Even if he was instructed to ignore certain members, it's bad social etiquette (much less forum etiquette). Can you really blame anyone for voicing their displeasure?
Maybe the reaction he got was needlessly aggressive (which I don't think it was but opinions). My point is that Omega isn't completely innocent, even if he didn't do it on purpose.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on November 30, 2014, 03:18:02 am
And if you posted further quotes, I told Omega not to post either. Not like I was allowing him a soapbox.
I quoted that one too, it's not like I'm cutting off facts to fit my argument or something.
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I told everyone to stop posting and everyone said their piece. I stopped discussion form there to avoid further derailment as is my job and my intention.
The derailment and the fact that people get pissed at Omega are very different things. Stopping the derailment is fine. Denying that several people have a rightful cause to get angry at someone is something else. The point is that Omega disrupts threads and behaves in an obfuscating way, that's why people get mad at him (or even just make fun of him for only 3 posts and then get told to stop bullying and not be elitist !)
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My intention is not to censor your ill will towards Omega. i just want it the fuck out of irrelevant threads where a guy is just posting relevant links.
There were a whopping total of 3 posts making a JOKE about his posting until HE lashed out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 30, 2014, 03:18:40 am
I'm not entirely sure discussion about it would have continued past Byakko's post. I know I wasn't particularly interested in belaboring the point.
I suppose it's moot at this juncture anyway.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 03:22:06 am
Im gonna keep repeating to you that due the fact he has been in the past attacked by several members, he ignored them, Not just because he was being himself. he was told not to, because he has been attacked in the past quite harshly for this behavior.
I dont respond to everyone in threads I post in, all the time. It doesnt give them license to attack me.
And if you posted further quotes, I told Omega not to post either. Not like I was allowing him a soapbox.
I quoted that one too, it's not like I'm cutting off facts to fit my argument or something.
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I told everyone to stop posting and everyone said their piece. I stopped discussion form there to avoid further derailment as is my job and my intention.
The derailment and the fact that people get pissed at Omega are very different things. Stopping the derailment is fine. Denying that several people have a rightful cause to get angry at someone is something else. The point is that Omega disrupts threads and behaves in an obfuscating way, that's why people get mad at him (or even just make fun of him for only 3 posts and then get told to stop bullying and not be elitist !)
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My intention is not to censor your ill will towards Omega. i just want it the fuck out of irrelevant threads where a guy is just posting relevant links.
There were a whopping total of 3 posts making a JOKE about his posting until HE lashed out.
Byakko, now its you acting like this is an isolated incident. He has been attacked many, many , MANY times in the past. the point has become as stale as chuchoryu thread discussions. I was stopping a problem Ive already seen derail this thread from happening again. Also joke or anger, which is it? You keep changing your intentions.
And no, I do not believe you have a rightful cause to attack him and derail over his conduct in posting links, but as weve had to already establish, its a different issue. Still, your anger towards his behavior does not belong in the thread, joke or not and allowed or not. Its a derail. Its not warranted and not necessary. We can guess how many posts it wouldve continued for, but thats irrelevant. I stop it as soon as it starts. Its probably only 3 posts cause I stopped it and thats my honest opinion on the matter.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Omega on November 30, 2014, 03:23:44 am
This is not an offensive reply. I will just reply once to make my statement. I am not starting wars of fights with this.
I have seen many comments about me and many replies about the way I act and write. I can understand alot of you but when I say "my english lacks", those guys answered with "thats an excuse" in return. I was told months ago to ignore some of those people after I reported some of their replies against me.
People started to copy and paste their links like me and they wrote like me to piss me off and make fun of me. I didn't even gave any reaction and didn't even start arguments and all. People indeed gave me some replies about my posts. I sure admire them. I respect that. When I look at it and see posts about other stuff, it would be like returning to the previous subject of mine and really, people even complained about that back than. I got the "stay on topic" lines from them. Not being able to change colors isn't bad. As the subject continiue's with something I don't know about, I have to leave my own subject. Just for them to stop blaming me.
Also, I disagree with the antisocial part. If you say that duo my lack of sense or lack of enlish than fine. but calling me something wich i'm not is like insulting my life without knowing who I am.
I read lines before like, "you dont even watch shit, you dont know this, you are that, you are an idiot" when I close my pc, the whole internet doesn't excist for me. I am a die hard bussy person as a arranger and I work my ass off. I also want to say that I finish my mood to reply back sometimes. The reason is that I get directly kicked into the corner without even letting others to reply for my post.
i'll say this once more. The 3 comments I got are not good comments about shows but they are good comments for me. I don't always watch stuff wich everyone likes. and besides my reply was not about those 3 comments. It was general. Because in my previous post I already mentioned that I was checking out more about the anime as it seemed interesting to me. and I asked what guys over here would think. So generally, when i gather all comments inside and outside mugenguild, i realized that there are "more" positive comments about the show.
My sharing and writings are limited yes. I am only here to contribute stuff actually. Nothing else. I am not the kind of person to start fights. But i was saddened to see direct attacks and i am like "enough is enough" and I was over my limit. Don't get upset. You guys can't just jump in and says "he replies, he is mad" because when i don't reply back you than start saying "he ignores everyone"
I have a bunch of stuff I did and still am watching. I am not here for any of you guys who pick up fights.
I'll say it again. If this makes all of you happy. I'll tell you and all moderators here that I will be more carefull with what I share and say. but this is not for those who just attack me and some other people.
I apologize only for my own mistakes but, not for something else. Also, this reply isn't send for fights or arguments. Just my point and statement. I repeat: I was told to ignore some of you guys. Not everyone! If I ignored an information or reply, the case is that some of those I already ignore reffers to me in a way I don't like. Like I said. I already sent informed moderators before and reported replies back in the days.
That's that. I won't even look back. I take my own responsibility's and mistakes only. But I don't accept agressive behavior. So i'll keep ignoring those as it was told Me. Thanks for reading. Once again, I won't reply about this subject anymore.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on November 30, 2014, 03:25:47 am
Also joke or anger, which is it? You keep changing your intentions.
People get irritated about his behavior => people make fun of it. This is not contradictory and I'm not changing anything.
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i do not believe you have a rightful cause to attack him
People have a rightful cause to get irritated at his posting style. No one attacked him. You don't see the difference ? You're treating this case as if everyone was yelling at him (and you're doing that because you figured that people were getting annoyed at it). You're talking about bullying and being elitist by crushing people who post differently. But this isn't what happened.
Omega : after you said your "good comments" post, people made fun of you, but there's no reason you couldn't simply explain "I was talking about other comments I read in other places". Ignoring replies is bad. I'm not talking about the first three answers to your question. I mean the 3 posts after you said "good comments".
You are the one who knows what you mean. When you see that someone misunderstands you and gets angry at you, it's a terrible thing to let it go without explaining anything. Everyone understands that you may have problems in English. Not everyone on this forum talks a perfect English, and everyone can understand that. If you had simply cleared out the first misunderstanding, it would have been fine, people would have understood.
If you can do that more often, people will start understanding you better, and will stop making fun of you or getting mad at you. I promise. but you have to make an effort. And ignoring people who are not antagonizing you is a bad thing to do. If someone makes fun of you, you are the only one who can give an explanation. you have to do something. Please help us stop being dicks to you.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 03:29:34 am
i stopped it from happening. this is hindsight bias perhaps, but i am indeed referring to a trend. again you have a rightful cause to be irritated, but you do not have a rightful cause to attack him (as in derail the thread to start making fun of him). people werent yelling at him (its the net), but they were antagonizing him yet again. maybe not as ugly as past incidents but it was happening all the same.
the bullying is what happens. this is a trend. this almost always happens when he posts. i was attempting to stop yet another incident from brewing forth.
but i have little else to say on the matter, i feel omega covered the bases on what he does well, and i stopped the derailment as was my intention
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ryūku Tsukuyomi on November 30, 2014, 03:34:25 am
i'll say this once more. The 3 comments I got are not good comments about shows but they are good comments for me. I don't always watch stuff wich everyone likes. and besides my reply was not about those 3 comments. It was general. Because in my previous post I already mentioned that I was checking out more about the anime as it seemed interesting to me. and I asked what guys over here would think. So generally, when i gather all comments inside and outside mugenguild, i realized that there are "more" positive comments about the show.
Then why didn't you mention that in your post? thats why I'm telling you to think twice before posting dude. You might not try to be a bad person but you don't realize we are on a forum and thus can't see your face so we don't know what you really mean simply because we have no indication about how you feel.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 03:36:30 am
He did mention it. He said he saw good comments about the show. If the only comments in MFG are bad, that should imply he saw them elsewhere
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on November 30, 2014, 03:39:42 am
He did mention it. He said he saw good comments about the show. If the only comments in MFG are bad, that should imply he saw them elsewhere
We were talking about trends a second ago. The trend is that he misunderstands what people tell him, doesn't listen, and spam links without caring for any discussion. Since this is a trend, should we have assumed that he meant something different just this time ? Or should we have believed he was just about to do the same as he always does, and assumed the worst ? The only answer to this is that he's the only one who knows what he meant. He's the only one who can explain and make things clear. Even if he doesn't speak or understand English too well, if he at least tries, it can get across. We're not savages, if he wants to communicate, there will be people to listen to him.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Ryūku Tsukuyomi on November 30, 2014, 03:40:32 am
He did mention it. He said he saw good comments about the show. If the only comments in MFG are bad, that should imply he saw them elsewhere
He probably should have mention seeing other comments from elsewhere. The way he usually post made us think he was just ignoring us once again.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 03:44:02 am
But, that comment really couldnt have been misconstrued imo. It was straight forward and the implications were clear to anyone with basic reading comprehension. You know as well as I do I am aware of the trends and his tendency to miscommunicate/misinterpret however even considering that, my first reaction to that post was to construe it as he saw those comments elsewhere. Its just using my reading comprehension. There is an offensive implication that you would think him stupid enough to construe really bad posts as glowing criticism, this is your misinterpretation not his.
BTW, its not spam to share links a lot, it happens in a lot of other threads.
He did mention it. He said he saw good comments about the show. If the only comments in MFG are bad, that should imply he saw them elsewhere
He probably should have mention seeing other comments from elsewhere. The way he usually post made us think he was just ignoring us once again.
Ehhh, I really think that post wasnt that hard to understand, not everything has to be spelled out.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on November 30, 2014, 03:48:00 am
Well seeing as this has died down and been resolved I'll back off for the night, Byakko if you want to continue feel free to PM me, I always respond to PMs.
EDIT: I will respond to your below post via PM, didnt catch it in time.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: DKDC on November 30, 2014, 03:48:00 am
But, that comment really couldnt have been misconstrued imo. It was straight forward and the implications were clear to anyone with basic reading comprehension. You know as well as I do I am aware of the trends and his tendency to miscommunicate/misinterpret however even considering that, my first reaction to that post was to construe it as he saw those comments elsewhere. Its just using my reading comprehension. There is an offensive implication that you would think him stupid enough to construe really bad posts as glowing criticism, this is your misinterpretation not his.
Again, that's what he does all the time. This post by itself is understandable, but, even though you are apparently smart enough to see that this one time was different from all the previous times, the more logical assumption is that he was doing the same as usual. I mean, didn't you do the same when assuming we were all about to bash him ? Even when there was nothing more than 3 posts making a joke ? Because when I go back and read the three posts that made fun of his posting style, I see three harmless jokes that simply stopped there and weren't going to go any further. Which is it ?
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BTW, its not spam to share links a lot, it happens in a lot of other threads.
Other people post other things as well, and at least a few times every now and then participate in the discussion that ensues. Bots post links and do nothing else.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Just No Point on November 30, 2014, 04:24:25 am
We always go back to Omega's bad English. It just occurred to me: we haven't told him he should try posting in his native language along with his English. Though it wouldn't help him understand some English replies better it may help communication a bit with others that understand the language.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 01, 2014, 05:36:42 am
god , let it not be spanish.
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spanish speakers are the worst
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on December 01, 2014, 06:14:53 am
I know, right?
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: The Fisher King on December 01, 2014, 07:12:37 am
Sadly, he is right
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Basara Dandy on December 01, 2014, 03:32:51 pm
I agree u_u
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Duos on December 04, 2014, 08:38:54 am
If I may be so bold to ask for my curse status to be removed. Really I'd just like to be able to change my display name.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on December 04, 2014, 11:57:04 am
Leave mikecrazy's ban for two years, he only spams, doesn't listen to moderators and administrators and he also tried to communicate with the reports while he was banned. He continued to use the same excuse that he's new, but he's been here for an year!
In two years hopefully he'll learn how to write and read (didn't he go to school?) and he'll get some common sense.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Iced on December 04, 2014, 04:00:16 pm
Leave mikecrazy's ban for two years, he only spams, doesn't listen to moderators and administrators and he also tried to communicate with the reports while he was banned. He continued to use the same excuse that he's new, but he's been here for an year!
In two years hopefully he'll learn how to write and read (didn't he go to school?) and he'll get some common sense.
Don't you think that's a tad overkill for a first ban? :uhoh:
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Cyanide on December 05, 2014, 05:33:33 am
If he is under 13 then he's technically breaking the terms of service unless his parents have given the OK, which can't really be verified.
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Umezono on December 05, 2014, 05:50:56 am
Well he's def not, thanks to Iced's dirty spy movie techniques we have verified that guy is well over the age limit
Title: Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
Post by: Astral-kun on December 29, 2014, 04:48:14 pm