Amazing work, as always! Also, big ups to Garuda for shelling out his hard-earned money for this great contribution! :D
That doesn't seem very fair to the guy who paid if thats the case.
Amazing work, as always! Also, big ups to Garuda for shelling out his hard-earned money for this great contribution! :D
So let me see if I've got this right. Garuda pays to have these sprites made and then it is uploaded so everyone can get them?
That doesn't seem very fair to the guy who paid if thats the case.
Amazing work, as always! Also, big ups to Garuda for shelling out his hard-earned money for this great contribution! :D
So let me see if I've got this right. Garuda pays to have these sprites made and then it is uploaded so everyone can get them?
That doesn't seem very fair to the guy who paid if thats the case.
It's exactly has you said: I paid for the sprites to be free for everyone.
And I hope to see 100 different kind of Gouken made for Mugen.
What's the meaning to have the sprites and keep them all for me?
This is a community: we have to share if we want to grow!
That only applies if it's a full game or digital code. These are sprites, which are around the same area as fan artwork, which Capcom acknowledges and even puts in official games. Should be alright.
I don't call it reporting. I just wanted a straight answer and wasn't getting one from here.
I had no problem until I found out Capcom's work was being sold.
You are still ignoring mine and iced posts...Did Iced post in this topic? ???
You are still ignoring mine and iced posts...Did Iced post in this topic? ???
This is why I asked Capcom direct because I've never got a straight answer from here.
I only did this due to getting straight answers instead of everyone telling me I'm right.
I only did this due to getting insults instead of answers.
But I'll try explaining this to you without any insults.
So yeah, nothing bad is going on, calm down and stop being dumb.
Well, I had to split this off from the actual sprite release topic because of idiocy.Thank you very much for proving my point Jmorph.
@Zantetsuken: do not post in the Gouken sprite thread again. You're already on thin ice.
Also, your question was answered multiple times. You've been getting insulted too BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT LISTENING. But I'll try explaining this to you without any insults.
Gouken's sprites are a kind of commission, which fans and artists have been doing regardless of medium, fandom, or what have you. Go to any comic convention with artists and you can pay them to sketch any character you want. You can go on DeviantArt and commision an artist to do the same thing. And there are countless other sites and places and even mediums artists can work in when doing commissions.
And nobody, outside of a few overzealous people (like Tim Buckley of Ctrl+Alt+Del but who cares about that guy he sucks), really cares about it. Fan art commissions generally are protected under Fair Use but not always. But in this case, it would be.
So yeah, nothing bad is going on, calm down and stop being dumb.
The sprites were never sold. Garuda paid CVSNB as a commission for making fanart. The sprites are free to use.
You know absolutely nothing of fanart and what it is to be an artist in general. Go on Deviantart and look at all the commissions that are done there. If you like an artist, you go ask him to draw Goku from Dragon Ball VS Luffy from One Piece, you give him 10$, he makes the art and puts it on Deviantart. There's no problem with this. There is no "copyright infringement". This is what's been done for years now. Artists are just asking for some money for the time they spend, it's not making money on the back of the copyright owner.
lol capcom work?This argument is terrible and you are only fueling Zantetsuken's bullshit with it. Just so you know. You should avoid those irrelevant responses if you want him to drop the crap he's saying.
How many time capcoms steal idea's from acter's,actress,wrestlers,material artists n Other company gaming characters, try in use their base n make their own characters outta of it, aint that stealing idea from capcom side? where the copy right their Zan?
lol capcom work?This is pretty much the worst possible argument one could make to defend fan art commissions.
How many time capcoms steal idea's from acter's,actress,wrestlers,material artists n Other company gaming characters, try in use their base n make their own characters outta of it, aint that stealing idea from capcom side? where the copy right their Zan?
Copyrighted material capcom claim they have while they steal other's idea's from taht are so called copy righted aswell. im off topic just to let u know.Capcom doesn't steal ideas, because that's illegal. Sure, they've based characters on other companies' characters, but they make them different enough to avoid legal problems. And that situation is completely unrelated to the fan art thing!
The point here is that they would have no reason to sue anyone.
The sprites were never sold. Garuda paid CVSNB as a commission for making fanart. The sprites are free to use.
You know absolutely nothing of fanart and what it is to be an artist in general. Go on Deviantart and look at all the commissions that are done there. If you like an artist, you go ask him to draw Goku from Dragon Ball VS Luffy from One Piece, you give him 10$, he makes the art and puts it on Deviantart. There's no problem with this. There is no "copyright infringement". This is what's been done for years now. Artists are just asking for some money for the time they spend, it's not making money on the back of the copyright owner.
Capcom owns Gouken, Capcom can charge for Gouken.No one is charging for Gouken. Cvsnb was charging for his time and effort spent spriting. He just happened to be spriting a character Capcom owns. That's it.
Nobody else can because Capcom owns the copyright.
I feel like I'm talking in a foreign launguage here.Oh trust me, we all know the feeling.
The sprites were never sold. Garuda paid CVSNB as a commission for making fanart. The sprites are free to use.
You know absolutely nothing of fanart and what it is to be an artist in general. Go on Deviantart and look at all the commissions that are done there. If you like an artist, you go ask him to draw Goku from Dragon Ball VS Luffy from One Piece, you give him 10$, he makes the art and puts it on Deviantart. There's no problem with this. There is no "copyright infringement". This is what's been done for years now. Artists are just asking for some money for the time they spend, it's not making money on the back of the copyright owner.
Zantetsuken Vs. Every Gouken Depiction On The Internet
No Vs People who claim money for works that don't belong to them.This is why I love the Internet :I
The sprites were never sold. Garuda paid CVSNB as a commission for making fanart. The sprites are free to use.
You know absolutely nothing of fanart and what it is to be an artist in general. Go on Deviantart and look at all the commissions that are done there. If you like an artist, you go ask him to draw Goku from Dragon Ball VS Luffy from One Piece, you give him 10$, he makes the art and puts it on Deviantart. There's no problem with this. There is no "copyright infringement". This is what's been done for years now. Artists are just asking for some money for the time they spend, it's not making money on the back of the copyright owner.
Yep, Cvsnb's sprites don't belong to him, he didn't do any work on them at all!
The copyright belongs to Capcom hence they are the only ones who can legally charge for them.Nobody is selling Capcom's intellectual property. Nobody is selling something that belongs to Capcom. What do you find hard to understand here ? What are the words that you don't understand ?
Why is it so difficult to grasp that simple concept?
*sigh* At this point I would normally think that you're the greatest troll ever. But I know you since you joined, and you've been both a terrible poster and a White Knight. So most likely we will keep talking from different planes of existance. Just do whatever you want, really. I'm 100% sure you won't achieve anything.Uhh, you're replying to Zantetsuken, right? Then why do you keep quoting Cybaster?
The sprites were never sold. Garuda paid CVSNB as a commission for making fanart. The sprites are free to use.
You know absolutely nothing of fanart and what it is to be an artist in general. Go on Deviantart and look at all the commissions that are done there. If you like an artist, you go ask him to draw Goku from Dragon Ball VS Luffy from One Piece, you give him 10$, he makes the art and puts it on Deviantart. There's no problem with this. There is no "copyright infringement". This is what's been done for years now. Artists are just asking for some money for the time they spend, it's not making money on the back of the copyright owner.
Never said that. The copyright belongs to Capcom hence they are the only ones who can legally charge for them.Cvsnb isn't charging for the copyright, he's charging for HIS OWN WORK.
Why is it so difficult to grasp that simple concept?
He said earlier that everytime Zantetsuken would say something ignoring Cyb's reply, he would post Cyb's reply again and again, until Zan reads it.Ah, I see.
Ok, at this point I have to tell everybody the truth:
I didn't pay CvS for Gouken.
It was all set up so people would follow my example and commission him some art/sprites.
Now please stop this nonsense: since no money is involved there isn't problem, right Zan?
Ok, at this point I have to tell everybody the truth:
I didn't pay CvS for Gouken.
It was all set up so people would follow my example and commission him some art/sprites.
Now please stop this nonsense: since no money is involved there isn't problem, right Zan?
Zantetsuken is just being a dumbass who changed his argument after everyone yelled at him to stop being dumb when he first posted. Remember? He originally didn't give a shit about poor, innocent Capcom; instead, he thought that the sprites being released was unfair to whoever paid for them. It was only after he was humiliated that he rephrased his argument.
This is like the fourth or fifth time he's horridly derailed a thread for whiteknighting and he's been banned for it before.I can only find three previous bans but the last ban says it was the fourth time, so who knows.
I have no problem with the commission just charging for the commission.Well, CvS did the work... Are you suggesting Garuda pay Capcom...?
Capcom owns Gouken, Capcom can charge for Gouken.CVS owns his spritework, sooo it makes sense for him to charge for his sprites, correct...?
Nobody else can because Capcom owns the copyright.Actually...
Whatever the case may be, it's really sad that you lack basic comprehension.... You should eat more fish. I hear it increases brain functionality.epic this! lol!...
So Garuda paid for CVSAbstract's time when it came to spriting Gouken?No, he paid him 0.001$ per mouse click. Each click produced a pixel of a certain colour on Paint, which happened to look like Gouken in the end.
So Garuda paid for CVSAbstract's time when it came to spriting Gouken?
That just sounds like a cop out to cover their own backs.
Ok, at this point I have to tell everybody the truth:
I didn't pay CvS for Gouken.
It was all set up so people would follow my example and commission him some art/sprites.
Now please stop this nonsense: since no money is involved there isn't problem, right Zan?
force me to ask Capcom straight out.Stop being stupid, nobody forced you to do anything. Everybody explained everything to you several times right from the start. You have ignored them all for no reason at all.
when I knew I was right.You weren't.
I was fucking right.No, you're still not. Everyone has explained everything that can be said about the matter of the IP of Gouken belonging to Capcom. You know it, we know it. You have ignored every single reply about it. Go fuck yourself.
If you want I can copy the fucking Capcom Email across here to show I was fucking right.As if you had written to them and received an answer about their stance on commissioned fanart. ::)
As if you had written to them and received an answer about their stance on commissioned fanart. ::)He's still talking about the one from five years ago. He acts like he doesn't realize it's completely unrelated. He acts like he doesn't understand the difference between selling sprites like you were selling oranges, and selling your time to work. (even though he acknowledged it earlier but called it a cop-out even though it's perfectly legal, he just went back to acting like the first mail was enough proof)
capcom cracking down on what boils down to fanart would be a massive PR disasterYeah, when the first emails were sent to Capcom and SNK, SNK started to say no (because the guy responding didn't know what Mugen was apparently) and something went, eh, "wrong". They backtracked after that :P
Well, he was complaining that the Mugen community was dying, and everybody told him he was wrong.
Now he wants to prove he was right by killing the community himself, so he'll be able to say "see, the community is dying, it doesn't even create Capcom based characters anymore HAHAHA !!!"
It's all part of a conspiracy and very elaborate plan.
I don't even think he gives a rat's ass about that possibility (not that I consider it plausible). He just wants to feel like he's doing the right thing by abiding law and pointing out imaginary contradictions, just because he doesn't understand the difference. And because he hates the place and thinks it's full of those contradictions.
Well, he was complaining that the Mugen community was dying, and everybody told him he was wrong.
Now he wants to prove he was right by killing the community himself, so he'll be able to say "see, the community is dying, it doesn't even create Capcom based characters anymore HAHAHA !!!"
It's all part of a conspiracy and very elaborate plan.
The only thing I could see Capcom doing is pulling a Nintendo or Square Enix and pulling an already made and playable Gouken off the net because it takes away from their sales or whatever reasons Nintendo gave for the Zelda game.
They why make all that shit up and force me to ask Capcom straight out.
I was not putting up with made to look stupid when I knew I was right.
4 pages of insults forced my hand to go above the supposed 'Know It All's' on this site and ask the copyright owners.
This is proof that the staff should stop being a bunch of pussies with their permabans.
Except with KFM. Unban KFM for a free and just America.
After googling some more it looks like the cease and desist was a hoax. Also I couldn't find anything about Square Enix doing this either. I thought I remembered them shutting down a Final Fantasy game.The only thing I could see Capcom doing is pulling a Nintendo or Square Enix and pulling an already made and playable Gouken off the net because it takes away from their sales or whatever reasons Nintendo gave for the Zelda game.
You mean Ocarina of Time 2D? I thought that thing only made it out as an alpha?
Everything's racist. Should we bring in some Black Knights? Maybe that's racist, too. Maybe we should rename them to Knights in Sour Armor and be done with it.
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090803034356/mtg/images/c/cc/White_Knight_M10.jpg) (http://static.starcitygames.com/sales/cardscans/MAG_M10/BlackKnight.jpg)
What exactly are you trying to achieve here ?
past few years
I'm putting what I've got from this community for the past few years back in.Which is ?
Hello,
Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
I have contacted the legal department and they will contact the person responsible for those sprites.
Regards,
Carlos@
Capcom Tech Support.
Make what you will of that.
I'm putting what I've got from this community for the past few years back in.go fuck yourself you fucking reject.
Dear Capcom,
The evil Mugen community that keeps bullying me sells Capcom copyrighted sprites (namely, Gouken) to guilty buyers at the rate of 100$ per sprite.
You should send CVSNB and Garuda to jail because they're bad people making bad money over bad people.
Your sincerely,
Zantetsuken
I'm putting what I've got from this community for the past few years back in.go fuck yourself , you don't belong here anymore.
Re: Understand, understand, the con...OH SHIT, NOW THE FBI IS INVOLVED, DIVE FOR COVER !!!
I'm Agent Norman Jayden, FBI.
After googling some more it looks like the cease and desist was a hoax. Also I couldn't find anything about Square Enix doing this either. I thought I remembered them shutting down a Final Fantasy game.The only thing I could see Capcom doing is pulling a Nintendo or Square Enix and pulling an already made and playable Gouken off the net because it takes away from their sales or whatever reasons Nintendo gave for the Zelda game.
You mean Ocarina of Time 2D? I thought that thing only made it out as an alpha?
So... I'm guessing there hasn't been any nonprofit fan games shut down either? That's pretty nice to know.
vv Ah that must have been what I was thinking of.
If I wasn't insulted then I'd never have asked Capcom's stance on people selling their property.We know you're lying and you know you're lying, so you really don't have to keep saying that. You've been given a straight answer several times and you ignored it, that makes it obvious you're lying.
(a ROM hack of CT).
- if CvStA just tells them the sprites are not being sold, they're free and fanart, that he was just paid for the commission, this will be dropped faster than [insert random funny comparison]In this regards, I hope CVS can write properly enough to Capcom if this were to occur. His English tends to be "not terribly fantastic".
:cawg: So much awesome in this post. Just too much, Cy!But... I just hacked his account, that's really the mail he sent. :ninja:
I'm pretty sure emulation isn't what I'd call 100% legal to begin with.
The email JNP quoted looks amazingly fake BTW.I was thinking that as well.
But... I just hacked his account, that's really the mail he sent. :ninja:
Your really not doing yourself any favours their. If I wasn't insulted then I'd never have asked Capcom's stance on people selling their property.Awww... They hurt you feelings. :'(
FUCK YOU ZAN LIKE FUCK YOU SERIOUSLY FUCK YOU!, THAT WAS ONE OF EVIL CRUEL SHIT U CAN DO TOO SOMEONE! U TALKING ABOUT COPY RIGHTED SHIT WHILE YOU SPRITE ON STOP OF THEIR MATERIAL U FUCKING HYPROCRITE!, PLEASE BAN IS ASS N HIS IP ADDRESS HE IS REALLY PISSING ME THE FUCK OFF NOW! YOU JUST AMD CAUSE YORU BROKE ASS CAN EVEN GAIN HALF THE TALENT THEN MOST OF THESE SPRITER HAVE! U SIT THEIR N BITCH ABOUT WHAT IM DOING, OBVIOUSLY U ARE A HATER
IDK what a troll/trolling means
If I wasn't insulted then I'd never have asked Capcom's stance on people selling their property.You wasn't insulted until you refused to acknowledge what was said to you though. I clearly answered you without any insulting. After you kept going on with it people started to insult you. Unless you think it's an insult to not have the same mentality and rationale you have.
which I never received a straight answer for and after been insulted I searched for a contact for Capcom to ask them.
FUCK YOU ZAN LIKE FUCK YOU SERIOUSLY FUCK YOU!, THAT WAS ONE OF EVIL CRUEL SHIT U CAN DO TOO SOMEONE! U TALKING ABOUT COPY RIGHTED SHIT WHILE YOU SPRITE ON TOP OF THEIR MATERIAL U FUCKING HYPROCRITE!, PLEASE BAN IS ASS N HIS IP ADDRESS HE IS REALLY PISSING ME THE FUCK OFF NOW! YOU JUST mAD CAUSE YOU're BROKE, u CANt EVEN GAIN HALF THE TALENT THEN MOST OF THESE SPRITERs on here! U SIT THEIR N BITCH ABOUT WHAT IM DOING, OBVIOUSLY U ARE A HATER
If nothing comes of it then why worry?
we have all established that he is trying to troll, would you all stop replying to him as if you need to debate him?We Won We Won
Also i just banned him for not answering me.
Hey guys, what did I miss?
we have all established that he is trying to troll, would you all stop replying to him as if you need to debate him?We Won We Won
Also i just banned him for not answering me.
Fixed, sorry for off topic.I'm pretty sure emulation isn't what I'd call 100% legal to begin with.
The emulators themselves I'm sure are legal. The ROMs aren't legal. Kind of odd, now that I think about it...
Fixed, sorry for off topic.You better be sorry. Look at what happened to the last person in this thread that got off topic! >:(
You can own a ROM if you have a legal copy of said ROM. I think. :ninja:Not according to the instruction manuals from Nintendo anymore :P
You can own a ROM if you have a legal copy of said ROM. I think. :ninja:
Fixed, sorry for off topic.You better be sorry. Look at what happened to the last person in this thread that got off topic! >:(
xNO!
Welp
You can own a ROM if you have a legal copy of said ROM. I think. :ninja:
Not according to the instruction manuals from Nintendo anymore :P
Though that doesn't mean they are right legally
http://forum.mugen-infantry.net/censoredbyguildlawyers
Welp
I will never understand how a single person could be this dense.
Gouken by DivineWolf. Coming:yes:2015...?Soon
Nintendo's always been big on antipiracy. They're actually right, at least in the US. Google "Atari v. JS&A" for more info.
Gouken by DivineWolf. Coming:yes:2015...?After Sagat?
No. Do not HoF this.
It won't be anytime soon, sorry TrueMicah...It's cool, I was only joking around dude. :P
Because this was often a point of discussion, I emailed Capcom and SNK Playmore early in 2007 for what their take on the legality of fan-made, non-profit games (like M.U.G.E.N) was with respect to their intellectual properties.
Nintendo's always been big on antipiracy. They're actually right, at least in the US. Google "Atari v. JS&A" for more info.
I've always considered Nintendo vs Tengen to be more prolific (having to do with the Tetris license and all)
JS&A manufactured a "game backup" device that allowed users to dump their Atari ROMs onto a blank cartridge. JS&A argued that the archival rule allowed for this. The court disagreed, noting that ROM media was not subject to the same volatility as magnetic media (for which the law was created). Thus, not being so relatively vulnerable, ROMs were not applicable under section 17 USC 117(a)(2).
Hello,
Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
I have contacted the legal department and they will contact the person responsible for those sprites.
Regards,
Carlos
This is proof that the staff should stop being a bunch of pussies with their permabans.Hey! At least Zantetsuken wasn't trying to cyber with anyone that might possible identify as female around here! Let's not go crazy here!!!
Except with KFM. Unban KFM for a free and just America.
Man, I saw CvS posting a heap in a thread with this title, and I thought he was doing some Jet Set Radio sprites. What a gip.Yay! Somebody got the reference. :)
I think is was all about jealousy ladies and gentleman nothing else...Yep. He's mad that no one paid attention to his shitty head swaps.
Hello,
Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
I have contacted the legal department and they will contact the person responsible for those sprites.
Regards,
Carlos
(http://www.koopakoot.trinitymugen.net/Carlos_ORC.png)
Seems legit.
Well, da maverik threatened to report him for child porn, I think the topic is still alive.That's Cybaster. MAVERIK is JACK_THE_SHITTER, because he's obsessed with feces.
I didn't threaten anything. It has been explained that what he was doing was legit. The only way I was threatening you is if it wasn't.so I guess he's finally accepted what we've spent 10 pages trying to convince him. Too bad it's too late for him.
Well, da maverik threatened to report him for child porn, I think the topic is still alive.That's Cybaster. MAVERIK is JACK_THE_SHITTER, because he's obsessed with feces.
spoon
LM_Maverik is so badass back at MI. He's threatening with child porn. OMG!
He's the new Laxxe!
spoon
What. Spoon. What.