Art & Entertainment => Fighting Games => Topic started by: SNT on July 17, 2013, 06:59:46 am
Title: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on July 17, 2013, 06:59:46 am
Probably should get around to a new thread.
Early 2014, $15 for update patch, $40 for full version on disc which includes every SF4 costume DLC ever.
Five New Characters (Poison, Hugo, Elena, Rolento, Decapre)
Six New Stages (Half Pipe, Cosmic Elevator, Mad Gear Hideout, Jurassic Era Research Facility, Blast Furnace and Pitstop 109) All from SFxT. Will probably get changed to remove all Tekken references, no idea what they're going to do with transitions.
There will be new modes, no one knows what they are yet.
Gameplay Balancing Overall going to narrow the gap between tiers, rather than flat out burying characters.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Balrog:
Turn Punch charges faster Headbutt is less punishable on recovery Ultra 2 (Dirty Bull) has greater range
Cammy:
Cannon Strike usable lower to the ground Damage and stun reduced on HP and HK attacks Changes intended to negate the "two combos and you're dead" effect
Chun Li:
Health increase (900 -> 950) EX Kikouken now knocks down on hit EX Hazan Shu now breaks armor Overall damage increase df+LK as an anti-air is back
Cody
Knife Throw now breaks armor
Dhalsim
st.MK now hits twice, making it an anti-Focus Attack tool
Dudley:
Short Swing Blow is now throw-invincible Kidney Blow and other normal attacks have better hitboxes Damage increase to all Target Combos
E. Honda:
Ultimate Killer Head Ram (Ultra 1) has a faster startup Orochi Breaker (Ultra 2) has greater range fj.MK has a smaller hurtbox
Fei Long:
Rekka Ken forward range decreased
Guy
MP->HP Target Combo's HP has greater range
Ibuki:
Neckbreaker is now soft knockdown; only EX is still hard knockdown EX Kazakiri now has greater invincibility Tsumuji hitbox is now larger and lower to the ground Changes are intended to reduce Ibuki's reliance on the vortex and give her defensive tools to use as an alternative.
Ken:
Faster walk speed cr.HK sweep start up shortened st.LP > cr.HK now combos Shinryuken (Ultra 1) non-full animation version damage increase
Makoto:
Not much is known about her changes, but reportedly she'll be buffed, not nerfed
Oni:
Tenchi Sokiagen (Ultra 2) motion changed: hcf+3P -> qcf+3K EX Rakan Dantojin to become safer on block
Rose:
EX Soul Spiral now completely invincible Overall damage increase
Rufus
EX Messiah Kick no longer jumps over crouching opponents
T. Hawk:
Faster walk speed cr.MK now cancelable into special moves Raging Slash (Ultra 2) improved
Vega:
cr.LP hit stun increased Both Ultras (Bloody High Claw and Splendid Claw) have a faster start up
Yang
Faster walk speed st.LK startup shortened j.MK hit box improved for crossup use
Zangief
EX Banishing Flat now knocks down regular Banishing Flat now faster
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 地獄の花 on July 17, 2013, 07:06:48 am
haggar? or maybe a character from rival schools?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on July 17, 2013, 07:21:04 am
Or Darkstalkers. Ono's trying to get that greenlit, and I don't think too many people would complain about the likes of Morrigan.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on July 17, 2013, 07:27:04 am
2d morrigan with ds1 sprites
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on July 17, 2013, 07:30:55 am
I half expected that for Marvel 3.
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Post by: Dʀᴏ on July 17, 2013, 08:16:03 am
Was hoping for Charlie.
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Post by: Erroratu on July 17, 2013, 08:19:47 am
Since Sakura appeared in rival schools once,im expecting a RS in SF....maybe
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Post by: The Fisher King on July 17, 2013, 08:20:09 am
Shadow would be the Charlie variant that never appeared in any SF game title ever... Marvel titles doesn´t count.
Hoping for this one. I´ll love it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: A$AP Buckus on July 17, 2013, 08:47:08 am
Just bought AE for $10, so update patch it is. Hoping the char is someone totally unexpected, like Carlos from Final Fight 2.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on July 17, 2013, 09:30:46 am
Full version is 30 bucks, not 40.
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Post by: Bad News GBK on July 17, 2013, 10:33:30 am
Nice..just sold ssfivAE for 14 euro.
Was anything revealed about Hugo etc. getting the really same treatment than the others including own stories / movies?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on July 17, 2013, 10:56:08 am
If you solid for 14 euros you just cheated yourself out of like 20 some dollars.
Where did you read this? Everywhere I see has the disc version priced at $40.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on July 17, 2013, 11:00:20 am
I've seen conflicting prices too, so I'd like to be sure.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on July 17, 2013, 11:03:51 am
Nah..i got it for 29€ last summer and i rather have a disc version..dlc is something i don't like and avoid it if possible.
+ the additional costumes. Got 14 euro, paid 30. Paying 30 euro next year for the bigger game.
Loss = 1 euro + i can't play SFIV for 6-9 months while i rarely played it anyway in the last months thanks to TTT2 and Borderlands 2 and omg..Dynasty Warriors 8 is out!
And if its 40 euro..whatever. 11 euro are still better than paying 15 for the dlc or buying the update while never using ssfivae and see it catching dust
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on July 17, 2013, 11:11:24 am
That last message was not supposed to go through because I wrote it before checking the most up to date video but seems like I failed to delete it lol (Site kinda went down while I was deleting it, no idea what happened).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on July 17, 2013, 05:47:50 pm
Is this an attempt by [glow=blue,2,300]Capcom[/glow] to make Street Fighter X Tekken irrelevant?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: GOH on July 17, 2013, 06:31:56 pm
I dunno man but your posts fit better in that category.
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Post by: dawsonlam on July 17, 2013, 07:03:37 pm
i was hoping asura would be in their oh well back to mugen.
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Post by: Bastard Mami on July 17, 2013, 07:17:30 pm
in their what ?
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Post by: City_Hunter on July 17, 2013, 08:00:47 pm
i hope it is someone from final fight like Carlos, Dean or HAGGAR
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Post by: Duos on July 17, 2013, 08:20:00 pm
Hoping the char is someone totally unexpected, like Carlos from Final Fight 2.
Same here, or Dean/Lucia from Final Fight 3. Also, I would like to see Charlie here. I mean, if there's Evil Ryu and Oni Akuma, who're supposed to be alternate versions of Ryu and Akuma, why not a variation about Charlie not been dead or something?? (or Shadow as a Shadaloo weapon). Oh, and Haggar is fine too :P
Good to know I'm about to get a XBOX360 soon and I don't have any of previous SFIV versions yet :smug:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Karasai on July 17, 2013, 09:43:47 pm
Dahlgren tells us not only has “this character…never been featured in a Street Fighter game up until now” but that this “will be the first time he (or she) makes their fighting game debut.”
Not Haggar
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Basara Dandy on July 17, 2013, 09:46:18 pm
(http://network.mugenguild.com/basara/img/dean-new.gif) F*ck yeah, it's my turn to shine now
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on July 17, 2013, 09:49:03 pm
its gonna be chairperson, and her story is she wants to beat up dan because she realized his instruction videos are ass and she didnt actually learn anything from them. feeling gypped
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ArmorGon on July 17, 2013, 09:55:10 pm
It's gonna be Ono. ;)
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Post by: Just No Point on July 17, 2013, 10:00:43 pm
Oh god... Goutetsu will now be alive all along too!
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Post by: drewski90 on July 17, 2013, 10:04:03 pm
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Ricepigeon on July 17, 2013, 10:57:24 pm
I see what you did there.
Worst case scenario it could always be this guy (http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Karate_Clown)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on July 17, 2013, 10:58:59 pm
Its gonna be Escher, the Street Fighter's CO from the cartoon.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on July 17, 2013, 11:00:10 pm
I actually really hope for Karate Clown.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [Judas] on July 17, 2013, 11:17:10 pm
Honestly, I'm not picky about who it is. My only real request is someone from the SF universe. Street Fighter, Final Fight (and by extension, Saturday Night Slam Masters), and maaaaaaybe Rival Schools. One of the dolls, a protagonist from Final Fight 3, even friggin' Gunloc. If it's an entirely new character, I just hope it's a good design. Prototype Rufus, a new member of the illuminati, a member of the CAPCOM WRESTLING ASSOCIATION (fake Muta student of Oni/Budo plz).... so long as he/she looks, sounds, and plays like a Street Fighter character without being either god-tier broken or totally useless. Secretly hoping they pull what they did with Ingrid and remember the other two new designs from CFAS, but yeah right.
I just don't want a guest character from another franchise. If that's what they go with, whatever. It's not going to affect my purchase one way or the other.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on July 17, 2013, 11:18:41 pm
Dahlgren tells us not only has “this character…never been featured in a Street Fighter game up until now” but that this “will be the first time he (or she) makes their fighting game debut.”
Talbain won't be making his fighting game debut, so it's not him.
You know who hasn't yet, though? This guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09RoRIezR-I). Won't get my hopes up though.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on July 18, 2013, 12:33:47 am
b-b-but human talbain was never fighting anywhere and and... Yeah I know its unlikely, sadly just as unlikely as Gene.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on July 18, 2013, 02:28:40 am
I dont know,someone from Star Gladiator accidentally got ported to the past?
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Post by: Titiln on July 18, 2013, 04:06:45 am
a resident evil character wouldn't be as out of place as a goddamn star gladiators character
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Erroratu on July 18, 2013, 04:16:12 am
Well its easier for the storyline to say that Star Gladiator is actually Street Fighter in 500 years or so,then for it to explain what do Seth and Bison how to do with Umbrella
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Post by: S.D. on July 18, 2013, 04:17:13 am
Are you fucking serious?
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Post by: Erroratu on July 18, 2013, 04:18:50 am
Its 4 in the morning,i dont know what i am
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Post by: UrbaneVirtuoso on July 18, 2013, 04:41:41 am
Hakan's Wife with pretty little daughter strikers. Gogogogo.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on July 18, 2013, 05:32:02 am
I'm going to say it's a new character on account that every SF4 update had at least one completely new character
Not AE, oh. Well. I guess you are right, but Evil Ryu and Oni I wouldn't say are COMPLETELY new.
Oni was technically new.....so yea.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on July 18, 2013, 09:55:11 am
One more hint : http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/jul/17/ultra-street-fighter-4s-fifth-character-very-much-related-street-fighter/ Either it's just circumstantial that they're talking about it like that (everyone's dropping hints one after the other) or they're really milking out that reveal. I hope they don't consider Nilin to be "very much related to Street Fighter". A character that has been in a background / backstory until now ? Goutetsu or Gou Hibiki or someone like that seem the most likely at this point.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: GOH on July 18, 2013, 10:42:30 am
One more hint : http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/jul/17/ultra-street-fighter-4s-fifth-character-very-much-related-street-fighter/ Either it's just circumstantial that they're talking about it like that (everyone's dropping hints one after the other) or they're really milking out that reveal. I hope they don't consider Nilin to be "very much related to Street Fighter". A character that has been in a background / backstory until now ? Goutetsu or Gou Hibiki or someone like that seem the most likely at this point.
So its a secondary character, either as backstory or as direct appearance it fits: Goutetsu -the only one master of ansatsuken that hasnt been shown, he could be a decrepit corpse reusing gouken design that had a hole in his chest. Eliza-does she even fight? Gou hibiki-could work, it would be almost a serious dan thing Guy's Master- it would be pretty much a guy swap considering how guy is already at master's level Haggar-he was literally in backgrounds Little kid in Rog ending- with balrog training him Mel Masters- everytime the fight ends in favour of the opponent social services show up to take the kid and arrest you Chunli dad-it turns out he was alive the whole time, he just forgot to go home Guile wife-she's there to take him home so he can be a family man.
Or it might be a reference to those observer bots ( always in the backdrop ) and its going to be an android that you can program moves into.
!! Its going to be the syn guy that jumped around taking photos!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on July 18, 2013, 11:17:02 am
Haggar has already appeared in a fighting game so he's out. Eliza and Guile's wife -- yeah right. There's no girl that's likely to be the one, it seems, maybe Gouken's daughter.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on July 18, 2013, 11:17:37 am
Alex's friend Tom, duh.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on July 18, 2013, 11:19:31 am
I dunno, doing Tom but not Alex would be very weird, especially considering that Alex has had an awful lot of requests, it'd be a bit of a bitch move for no reason. Unless they make Tom like Alex but with more emphasize on strikes, and an Alex alt costume (edit - I just pictured Jean Reno with long blond hair), just to avoid adding yet another grappler ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on July 18, 2013, 11:22:59 am
Haggar has already appeared in a fighting game so he's out. Eliza and Guile's wife -- yeah right.
they would make eliza like silentripper's and have her just use bison and seth's moves for no reason
But seriously, the most likely candidate for this is Goutetsu since he only got a small cameo in Akuma's SFA1 ending.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on July 18, 2013, 11:24:04 am
I can't decide if I want Goutetsu, Tom, or Gou Hibiki. They all sound awesome. :-\
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on July 18, 2013, 11:49:25 am
Ibuki's friend Sarai. if we're going to really plumb the depth of disappointing possibilities. Frankly I would've been more excited for a guest character than any of these B-listers.
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Post by: FeLo_Llop on July 18, 2013, 11:50:45 am
Or...they could be putting the cyborg from SF2 the movie. He hasn't appeared in a (canon) game, and it could fill the "mimic" character pretty well.
EDIT: Or Effie(Necro's girlfriend). She's a girl mutated by the illuminati, so she could be a tie between SF2 and SF3.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [SX] on July 18, 2013, 11:52:04 am
I dunno, doing Tom but not Alex would be very weird, especially considering that Alex has had an awful lot of requests, it'd be a bit of a bitch move for no reason. Unless they make Tom like Alex but with more emphasize on strikes, and an Alex alt costume (edit - I just pictured Jean Reno with long blond hair), just to avoid adding yet another grappler ?
hummm yes ! I like this theory !
#1 Tom (Alex's trainer) #2 Harmageddon Yoko (Rainbow Mika's trainer) (Twitter : Ono never give up for Mika) #3 Goutetsu (Akuma and Gouken's Sensei)
or madness of capcom like Daigo or Ono !
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on July 18, 2013, 11:58:17 am
its the tagger that goes around painting the word "street fighter" on brick walls. He and Cody have a feud.
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Post by: Bastard Mami on July 18, 2013, 04:34:55 pm
it could still be someone else from final fight.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [Judas] on July 18, 2013, 04:47:09 pm
If Capcom wanted to be kinda clever about bringing in someone both related to SF and making a fighting game debut, they could put one of the anime-exclusive douchebags in.
If Capcom wanted to be kinda clever about bringing in someone both related to SF and making a fighting game debut, they could put one of the anime-exclusive douchebags in.
While that would be an interesting approach, it's also highly unlikely. And really dumb.
Fingers crossed for Lucia from FF3.
I agree, Metal Sonic would be a very interesting character in this game.
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Post by: [Judas] on July 18, 2013, 06:28:04 pm
Ha. Well played, hotlinking. Let's try that again.
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Post by: Nero D. on July 18, 2013, 06:58:12 pm
its gonna be damnd from final fight, he has beef with deejay because deejay both forgot about his jamaican roots and invented reggaeton, which damnd hates
he's also gonna be voiced by phil lamarr and is also gonna sound like hermes from futurama, with extra verbal touches like "bumbaclot" and "ras"
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Negi Springfield on July 18, 2013, 08:01:13 pm
Y'know if we had to go with a Lower-level story character the Cyborgs from the SF2 movie honestly wouldn't be the worse thing ever, he'd have a nice mix up of Different Street Fighter moves, kind of like Seth. (Or they could make a Cyborg Skin for Seth..I guess? iunno)
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
I can dream for Gene, damnit. DAMNIT!
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Post by: Basara Dandy on July 18, 2013, 08:29:28 pm
I would like to appear too, but I don't think Cyborg from SFIIM should be in the list, considering he already appeared in the PSX game, so he'll be discarted as a character been already in a fighting game
Still agree with this, considering Final Fight saga is "very much related to Street Fighter". I bet for Dean, Lucia, Carlos... or even Kyle from Streetwise (considering one of alternate Cody outfits is the one from FFSW)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 地獄の花 on July 18, 2013, 09:22:54 pm
so if timeline is the issue here most of capcom's original game is out, except for wolf of the battlefield,muscle bomber or that guy from adventure quiz. that or they'll be making a complete new character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on July 18, 2013, 09:35:01 pm
wolf of the battlefield,muscle bomber or that guy from adventure quiz
Okay why are all of you guys even going so far to look for the darkest games you can think of and somehow imagine that Capcom is going to pull a character from there out of nowhere to insert in Street Fighter ? Minor characters from Final Fight are already pushing it past the believable limits.
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Post by: UrbaneVirtuoso on July 18, 2013, 09:49:32 pm
Because M.O.D.O.K. and Rocket Raccoon. :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on July 18, 2013, 09:50:20 pm
You mean the ones in the crossover that specializes in odd and unique characters, with known obscure characters who normally don't fight, as opposed to the core game of the franchise with the main storyline ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on July 18, 2013, 10:05:02 pm
Minor characters from Final Fight are already pushing it past the believable limits.
Uhm, Hugo and Poison? Two characters that were just random mooks in Final Fight.
Hugo was in SF3 (and wasn't hyped like that), and they were both in SFxTK, another crossover. And Poison was a surprise out of left field when she was announced (except not really since Ono had been discussing about her a lot). Plus, she already had a huge fanbase. We're talking about a completely new character here (as in without an existing model and movelist).
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Post by: Jango Hakamichi on July 18, 2013, 10:46:32 pm
Hoping for Zombie Belger.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Mgbenz on July 18, 2013, 10:59:41 pm
Minor characters from Final Fight are already pushing it past the believable limits.
Uhm, Hugo and Poison? Two characters that were just random mooks in Final Fight.
Hugo was in SF3 (and wasn't hyped like that), and they were both in SFxTK, another crossover. And Poison was a surprise out of left field when she was announced (except not really since Ono had been discussing about her a lot). Plus, she already had a huge fanbase. We're talking about a completely new character here (as in without an existing model and movelist).
I'm only asking why the characters that everyone mentioned here are supposedly pushing past that limit.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on July 18, 2013, 11:04:08 pm
Because they don't have a fanbase as big as Poison, and Capcom isn't redoing an entire cast and need to get as many ideas as possible to replace existing archetypes. They're literally no ones. So yeah, it's very heavily doubtful. I'm not saying it's completely impossible, but before we get to them, there's a lot more other options, and that makes them bottom of the barrel. Posted: July 19, 2013, 01:00:15 am http://www.siliconera.com/2013/07/18/ultra-street-fighter-ivs-fifth-character-isnt-on-anyones-radar/ Welp, commercial speak for "someone not even the darkest corner of the Internet gives a shit about and who should never be a fighter". That rules out the clever guesses and the wishlists of all kinds.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on July 19, 2013, 01:11:21 am
link said:
isnt on anyones radar
the irony/mystery of this statement is that if people think the character is not well known, people are just gonna get more and more obscure with their guesses
thus leaving open characters that are actually NOT obscure, which would mean that someone well known will actually be the character (considering theyre off the radar)
layman: the only reason the char isnt on our radar is because the char may be someone obvious and all speculation is heading torwards more obscue characters....fucking ono
i may be absolutely wrong tho heh
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on July 19, 2013, 01:28:23 am
At this point, I'd be shooting not for something obscure (because wishful thinking, it would piss me off if it was some older than dirt obscure shit or some recent game that no one cared about when it came out) but for some series like Ace Attorney, Breath of Fire or Strider. But none of them is "very related to SF" and a guest hero like that would be completely out of the blue. Or... D.D. from Capcom Fighting All Stars, technically he hasn't made his debut yet, and they can re-use the Mishima style. Yeah, I'll just go and hope it's D.D.
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Post by: Iced on July 19, 2013, 01:53:49 am
Hrm. find something that they want to promote, it will likely be that. What are their next games? Anything there is remotely sf related?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Erroratu on July 19, 2013, 02:04:08 am
Well since new Strider Hien game is announced.........Which has nothing to do with the Street Fighter universe :(
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Post by: Laharl on July 19, 2013, 02:06:32 am
hien? I think you have the name wrong.
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Post by: Erroratu on July 19, 2013, 02:24:48 am
Uhhhh Its Strider Hiryu i was thinking about,Hien is the other one
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Post by: The Aboriginal One on July 19, 2013, 03:58:37 am
Ooh, a new strider game is coming?
And to make an obscure jump, I say Tom is the newest character in USF4. (http://venturebeat.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/sf3-tom.jpg?w=536)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on July 19, 2013, 04:09:17 am
They won't add Tom while people are still asking for Alex. I don't think even Capcom are that mean.
And have they backpedaled a bit? From "already part of the SF universe" to "would fit well in the SF universe"?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on July 19, 2013, 04:17:10 am
storyline(haha)-wise this would actually be a nice starting ground for tom since he did teach alex how to fight prior to sf3 and he is supposed to be a bamf, also jean fucking reno
and alex had a fairly recent appearance in tvc so its not like he's been super missed, not as much as SOME sf charas
then again, he did appear in tvc so he has ground to work with 3d-wise if they did decide to go with a previous sf fighter
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on July 19, 2013, 09:42:15 am
And have they backpedaled a bit? From "already part of the SF universe" to "would fit well in the SF universe"?
I doesn't seem like a backpedalling. http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/jul/17/ultra-street-fighter-4s-fifth-character-very-much-related-street-fighter/ "Very much related" and http://www.siliconera.com/2013/07/18/ultra-street-fighter-ivs-fifth-character-isnt-on-anyones-radar/ "perfect fit".
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on July 19, 2013, 10:29:24 am
I was sure they'd gone further with that, saying it was a straight up Street Fighter character. Doesn't matter now, seeing as they've gone back to fitting in.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on July 19, 2013, 10:50:25 am
theres going to be a parental switch, when you throw it from japan to america, it replaces poison with Sid.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on July 19, 2013, 10:28:13 pm
IT'S ASURA! (Not the amalgamation of Akuma & Rugal)
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JK
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Post by: Staubhold on July 19, 2013, 11:07:45 pm
Nope...
(http://i42.tinypic.com/j9t5yg.png)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on July 19, 2013, 11:11:12 pm
Somebody didn't read the spoiler. :P
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Post by: Titiln on July 19, 2013, 11:14:47 pm
what a good fucking joke i almost died from not being able to breathe due to the unstoppable laughter
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CyberWolfJV on July 20, 2013, 12:56:34 am
I was thinking... the 5th char, if isn't a original char, could be Kevin from Street Fighter 2010? (not that I want) he fits, like, in all the hints and implications given until now:
- Never was in a Street Fighter cast - Never was in a fighting game - Is very related with Street Fighter series (somehow, he's quite related).
...besides the horrible game that he come from, he could be a nice addition.. something close of Captain Commando (in story and gameplay)... just would be weird justify that his "high-tec from hell" is 2010. XD XD XD.
so, I'm waiting c:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: C.v.s The Abstract on July 20, 2013, 01:11:01 am
THEY SERIOUSLY NEED TO ADD D.D
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on July 20, 2013, 01:52:59 am
If that's not just a joke, then it's either Roxy or someone who doesn't have a definitive design (or at least not with a definitive gender). Like a character from a canned game. Like D.D. I still hope. edit - or some robot shit.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [Judas] on July 20, 2013, 02:00:34 am
I've wanted them to do something with D.D. and Rook since Ingrid made her first appearance outside of her cancelled game. Now I kinda want Roxy, just to see the saltiness. Recolor Poison and slap one of the SFxT characters' moves on her and call it a day? Hell yes. Lili's swap costume model is also an option for that route.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on July 20, 2013, 02:04:37 am
My money is on Prototype Abel (http://media.eventhubs.com/images/news_teasers/20092/091013_conceptabel.jpg) but that design's been outright stolen for Strip Fighter 4 soooooo...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on July 20, 2013, 02:18:10 am
Info from the SDCC panel
Quote
>5th character isn't revealed >new trailer, with much more footage of the four new characters >Zangief's green hand is faster on regular, knockdown on EX >new character is not Strider or Asura >"you will be exceptionally hype when the announcement's made"
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 地獄の花 on July 20, 2013, 03:05:19 am
so basically the 5th character is someone well known by capcom fans.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on July 20, 2013, 03:17:57 am
so basically the 5th character is someone well known by capcom fans.
If that's true then it could be Chuck Greene from DR2 or Leon from RE4... Or maybe even a popular Megaman character like Bass/Forte
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on July 20, 2013, 03:19:18 am
Not sure any of them are a real good fit for Street Fighter.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Darkflare on July 20, 2013, 03:35:48 am
Someone explain to me why Capcom had to announce that Strider wasn't the 5th character...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on July 20, 2013, 03:38:58 am
Because of the new Strider game that was just announcer that may have raised suspicion? Gee I dunno.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Darkflare on July 20, 2013, 03:39:28 am
I like to pretend that people are not that stupid.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on July 20, 2013, 03:46:05 am
Still shouldn't have needed to be said. They already deconfirmed him when they said the new character hadn't been in a fighting game before. And let's face it, he's close to being more popular from Marvel vs Capcom than from his own games.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: D'Evil on July 20, 2013, 03:54:49 am
I'm starting to think that maybe the character is someone who can take other forms/can manipulate their body freely. Given that it could be a women "if we wanted it to be".
Or maybe I'm just hoping it isn't Roxy too much.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on July 20, 2013, 03:55:52 am
SOMEONE IN THE G-PROJECT LIKE TWELVE PLS PLSSSSSS [/twelvefangasm]
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Darkflare on July 20, 2013, 04:28:50 am
Twelve was in a fighting game, remember?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on July 20, 2013, 04:33:30 am
That doesn't mean Twelve. Remember, Necro was the original in a line of prototypes, but they may have been some experiments before him. There could be more that were released in testing grounds or were let go to be put down.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 地獄の花 on July 20, 2013, 04:39:42 am
it's terry bogard mystery end.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on July 20, 2013, 05:01:12 am
darkflare's not doing a good job in this thread
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Darkflare on July 20, 2013, 05:03:10 am
That doesn't mean Twelve. Remember, Necro was the original in a line of prototypes, but they may have been some experiments before him. There could be more that were released in testing grounds or were let go to be put down.
True, but you were fangasming about Twelve.
It's not Twelve, dammit.
Come to think of it, aside from the appearance of the SF3 characters and Dudley mentioning his car, was there any other reference to SF3?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 地獄の花 on July 20, 2013, 05:05:35 am
effie as the final boss or another ff character. that or capcom just going to put a sf non-fighting background character. like dhalsim's wife or makoto's brother.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on July 20, 2013, 05:11:02 am
I am having a hard time believing that some of you actually believe the guesses you are throwing out.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on July 20, 2013, 05:14:35 am
I'm having a hard time believing that you're having a hard time believing that people are "believing" what they guess. :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Basara Dandy on July 20, 2013, 05:38:38 am
on the note of the character, watch it turn out to be fucking ......jessica or some shit
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 【RTC】MelvanaInChains on July 20, 2013, 06:20:01 am
mardia from captain commando. why not
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Takato-kun on July 20, 2013, 06:40:09 am
Is Dudley's car
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on July 20, 2013, 06:42:33 am
The possessed child from Boxer's ending, Rufus' girlfriend Candy, Hoi Mei with AH3-Saki's charge motions (let me dream!)
I'm surprised not one post anywhere (unless I missed a site) mentions any of the three, and there are from SF world.
Hmm....
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on July 20, 2013, 06:50:04 am
the only correct answer is dude in guile's stage with the raging erection (http://i.imgur.com/aLZfgcf.png) he's ready to COME to the battle if you know what i mean hahahahaha
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on July 20, 2013, 06:53:36 am
Yes? Of course? When people are saying the most random fucking shit though, why can't I say it's ridiculous?
No one said you couldn't say it's ridiculous, but his post was harmless in nature and you just shot him down by being overtly demeaning over a discussion which you knew was silly. Being blunt is one thing, but that came out of nowhere. :/
This thread turned to garbage real fast, the serious talk should go back to the original topic at this point.
MEH. There's really nothing to talk about right now until they give us some more information. It'll get back on track eventually, and then when the game is released there won't be any more of this stuff.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on July 20, 2013, 06:29:02 pm
hmm, hmm, agreed. let's talk about THE ACTUAL game for once, scrublets. yang's walk speed has been increased. this will be useful for him in fights and in daily life as well. for instance it will take less time to run errands or shop for groceries.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on July 20, 2013, 06:37:17 pm
Irrelevant, nobody plays Yang anymore.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on July 20, 2013, 06:55:00 pm
the only correct answer is dude in guile's stage with the raging erection (http://i.imgur.com/aLZfgcf.png) he's ready to COME to the battle if you know what i mean hahahahaha
:cawg:
I think it would be awesome if the actual guest character is indeed the "Shotoborg" that was featured in the Anime. I'd love to also see Kurosawa form Ken's SFA2 BG/AvP Arcade, but that is pushing it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on July 20, 2013, 06:56:35 pm
Shotoborg's already been in an SF game though. sorry.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Negi Springfield on July 20, 2013, 07:50:43 pm
Shotoborg's already been in an SF game though. sorry.
I've heard he was in some obscure version of SF2 but i've never actually seen it, ever. Anybody?
was it a game based on street fighter II the animated movie, the one that have two endings?
Something like that? It was like, an interactive version of the movie where you would try to look out for when people used moves in the movie and you'd get...points...or...something then after that you'd play as the Shotoborg and he'd have some of those moves...or something... But i've only heard of it, haven't seen anything about it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: drewski90 on July 20, 2013, 07:57:41 pm
Shotoborg's already been in an SF game though. sorry.
I've heard he was in some obscure version of SF2 but i've never actually seen it, ever. Anybody?
was it a game based on street fighter II the animated movie, the one that have two endings?
Something like that? It was like, an interactive version of the movie where you would try to look out for when people used moves in the movie and you'd get...points...or...something then after that you'd play as the Shotoborg and he'd have some of those moves...or something... But i've only heard of it, haven't seen anything about it.
go search for it on either google or youtube, I've seen the two endings here
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Karasai on July 20, 2013, 07:58:18 pm
Here you go
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: drewski90 on July 20, 2013, 08:00:07 pm
plus the two player in this sucks, it's just two shotoborgs fighting each other, no other street fighter character's in it
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on July 20, 2013, 08:09:51 pm
:pwnonk:
I had no clue that this even existed!! For all of this time, I thought that Mugen's Shotoborg was an original sprite edit. :omg:
plus the two player in this sucks, it's just two shotoborgs fighting each other, no other street fighter character's in it
I'm surprised that Capcom didn't include a version of SF2 with the Shotoborg in it.
Well, back to the topic, I really hope that this extra character isn't a stupid. B-Grade addition. There are so many interesting characters to choose from throughout all of Capcom's lore.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on July 20, 2013, 09:35:18 pm
If I have my info right, the games timeline order goes -SF1 -SFA series -SF2 series -SF4 series -SF3 series Is Ultra supposed to fall into the SF4 series category? or has the timeline changed?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Negi Springfield on July 20, 2013, 09:37:18 pm
If I have my info right, the games timeline order goes -SF1 -SFA series -SF2 series -SF4 series -SF3 series Is Ultra supposed to fall into the SF4 series category? or has the timeline changed?
Well since SUPER SF4 takes place like...two weeks after SF4 (not even kidding)
Obviously Ultra SF4 is going to be an alternate universe that takes place at the exact same time as SSF4.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: chuchoryu on July 21, 2013, 11:35:20 pm
Maybe Sawada is comming in this new SF, but I belive the 5 character is a new character for the sereies like C.Viper, Abel, Rufus and el Fuerte in SF4, Juri Han and Hakan in SSF4, Yun, Yang, Oni and Evil Ryu in SSF4AE, now Hugo, Poison, Elena and Rolento in USF4 yes the new character is a very complety new challenger
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Cazaki on July 21, 2013, 11:52:06 pm
What an informative post.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on July 22, 2013, 12:21:23 am
Sawada? Who is Sawada?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on July 22, 2013, 07:25:20 am
Maybe Sawada is comming in this new SF, but I belive the 5 character is a new character for the sereies like C.Viper, Abel, Rufus and el Fuerte in SF4, Juri Han and Hakan in SSF4, Yun, Yang, Oni and Evil Ryu in SSF4AE, now Hugo, Poison, Elena and Rolento in USF4 yes the new character is a very complety new challenger
Yun, Yang weren't new characters they were from SF3
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shin Mako on July 22, 2013, 07:36:45 am
yun and yang were new characters for sf4
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on July 22, 2013, 07:44:21 am
You're correct, but since he didn't mention the other eight returning characters that joined SSF4 with Juri Han & Hakan I assumed he was only mentioning brand new characters that's why I pointed out Yun & Yang weren't "new"...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on July 22, 2013, 11:14:43 am
Comic Con panel.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: readytofight on July 22, 2013, 12:48:39 pm
whatever i will buy it
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Karasai on July 23, 2013, 12:08:50 am
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SlenderMan on July 23, 2013, 01:06:58 am
I think I'd rather have an iteration of SF4 than SFxT. game was blah to me.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DMK on July 23, 2013, 01:42:02 am
For me at a medium to casual level it was really fun. It wasn't to tough to break off from simple ABC combos and gems themselves weren't an issue, but competitively just put people to sleep. Then there is Pandora mode which had some good things, like not being a random xfactor type thing that allowed instant wins with certain characters, but needed nice setups to utilize. Even then though it was rather useless and the risk of dieing before you can finish didn't help either.
I'm 100% with getting a new update to SF4 then it though. they gave it the old college try though.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on July 23, 2013, 02:52:55 pm
itt everyone forgets that once when capcom was announcing a type of technique never seen before, everyone dismissed phoenix because reviving itself would be similar to gill ressurection.
The character is going to turn out to be ingrid or cyborg because somehow they will forget they have been used before.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [Judas] on July 23, 2013, 03:22:00 pm
So there's still a chance for fat Bison? Yessssssssss.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on July 23, 2013, 03:29:10 pm
itt everyone forgets that once when capcom was announcing a type of technique never seen before, everyone dismissed phoenix because reviving itself would be similar to gill ressurection.
The character is going to turn out to be ingrid or cyborg because somehow they will forget they have been used before.
Phoenix wasn't a simple resurrection, it turned her into a new character of sorts.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on July 23, 2013, 03:37:47 pm
I cant recall if character mode transformation had been used before on capcom, i am sure it was used on snk's last blade.
thing is everyone was trying to guess what gimmick was going to be, I remember seeing some theorize about a punisher with ammo in his weaponry and hypers that could refill them and even some with octopus with attacks that changed how you manually had lenghtened or shortened his tentacles., and then it turned out to be the simplest shit ever.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Trinitronity on July 23, 2013, 03:39:40 pm
The character is going to turn out to be ingrid or cyborg because somehow they will forget they have been used before.
No no no, it will be a character who hasn't been used before: Ryu's training bag from SF3. :mmhmm:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on July 23, 2013, 08:57:28 pm
How about Mecha Zangief (not the skin for Zangief)?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Fisher King on July 23, 2013, 09:03:21 pm
^ Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter says hi. Not the same skin, yet the same character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on July 23, 2013, 09:32:28 pm
Doesn't Ken have a sister? Just saying. Also timeline doesnt matter, because Street Fighter IV negates itself in that regard. Could it be Makoto's dad?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on July 23, 2013, 09:39:02 pm
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DMK on July 24, 2013, 01:12:15 am
I thought characters of other franchises were ruled out at the panel and that this would be a whole new character?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on July 24, 2013, 01:37:33 am
I don't think they ruled out characters from other franchises, did they ? The last hints we got were "a Capcom character" that "fits in SF" and "hasn't been in a fighting game before". It can still be a brand new character, yeah, but they claim we'd be super hype, so it's probably someone we know. That said, I see nothing that hints that this tweet has anything to do with USF4. It's just some Remember Me promotional contest.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on July 24, 2013, 03:32:01 am
hat most people ould get is a remixed remember me theme for the game (ie her fighting theme)
and if thats the case FUCK
on a completely (un)related note
is he the 5th man he's the 5th man what the hell is going on
I cant recall if character mode transformation had been used before on capcom, i am sure it was used on snk's last blade.
It was, Kaede, in the first game, had a super that turned him into a super saiyan and gave him a buffed moveset. Even gradually drained his health!
I mean, I guess one could say that Capcom was correct in that a mode change caused by dying with full super had never been done before, technically?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Basara Dandy on July 25, 2013, 12:24:43 am
Wow, Ken Masters with a He-Man alternate outfit?? Shut up and take my money!! (insert Fry meme here)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: rgveda99 on July 25, 2013, 03:11:39 am
What about someone from Darkstalkers for the 5th character?
Makes sense to build up hype and market the Darkstalkers sequel(if its not cancelled). Just hope its Jon Talbain. Demitri was already in SVC and Capcom Fighting Jam. I don't think the game needs another shoto.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on July 25, 2013, 03:16:19 am
...They said that the new character will never have been in a FG before.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: rgveda99 on July 25, 2013, 03:30:00 am
Not from another series, a street fighter related character, and what CAN said. And Chris wasn't fired
I don't believe anything Crapcom says these days anyway especially after that DLC fiasco with SFxT. Their either lying or trolling. It wouldn't surprised me though if its another evil shoto or those cats.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on July 25, 2013, 04:00:14 am
• Akuma has increased recovery on jump back air Hadouken. • Can not FADC Shoryuken on 2nd hit. • Can no longer option select crouching Heavy Kick into Ultra 1.
Dhalsim
• Dhalsim damage increase (reverted back to Super Street Fighter 4 damage output). • EX Yoga Blast does not produce hard knockdown.
C. Viper
• C. Viper's crouching Medium Kick has better hit box. • Burn Kick has increased recovery. • If hit during start up of Burn Kick, C. Viper is considered grounded and is open to full combo.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on July 25, 2013, 05:40:22 am
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on July 25, 2013, 07:38:52 am
Of course there is, I have to actually use my reflexes if I want to make a blocked DP safe now. This is UNFORGIVABLE.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on July 25, 2013, 07:43:14 am
They're trying to make a top tier character less mindless? I'm OK with that.
More Gen buffs please.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on July 25, 2013, 07:54:49 am
I hope you don't seriously think Akuma is mindless. These nerfs won't hurt him at all which is good but he's not mindless. I want to see Hakan and Vega get buffed, so far it seems like they're doing that.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on July 25, 2013, 08:20:54 am
Akuma is kind of a mindless character though. Get a hard knock down and start the vortex. He has so many safe ways to apply pressure too.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on July 25, 2013, 10:49:15 am
And safe ways to get out of pressure (Thus mindless), seriously, everyone was expecting some kind of nerfs to Akuma. Yes, he's supposed to be a boss/overpowered character, but the character is way too good, the super effective (air) fireball pressure mixed with vortex playstyle make him kinda mindless (Same for Fei and his current rekkas)
I'm not saying he's XFLV3 Dark Phoenix/Ouroboros Strider-like mindless, but when it comes to SSFIV he can just do whatever he wants with little to no risk and a HUGE reward.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on July 26, 2013, 01:50:15 am
shame i wasted that 5th man joke on he man and not fucking macho madness
fuck it
is he the 5th man he's the 5th man what the hell is going on
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on July 26, 2013, 02:02:56 am
I was joking earlier with titiln when I realized who its most likely to be. He was never in a capcom game. He is a big part of the canon( or at least a fan favorite thing) He is a fan favorite.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/67429_10151869312836874_1128077576_n.jpg) shame i wasted that 5th man joke on he man and not fucking macho madness
If this turns out to be true, I will purchase a copy for every day of the week.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on July 26, 2013, 08:00:04 pm
There´s no Evil Ken, is Violent Ken (AKA Brainwashed/Manipulated Shadaloo Ken) and if we don´t count SvC... It could be him
It'll probably be Holy Ken or some nonsense.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Zeo on July 26, 2013, 08:52:19 pm
Yep... Holy Ken. The mugen opposite of Evil Ken. For sure, he's definitely the 5th character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 地獄の花 on July 26, 2013, 09:07:04 pm
the 5th man is probably a final fight character like kyle,the sims siblings or maybe dean or it could be that certain ninja girl.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on July 26, 2013, 09:11:52 pm
its gonna be yoko harmageddon...not that i would mind more #thickasians
cuz fuck r. mika right
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on July 26, 2013, 09:51:53 pm
Hell, for all we care, it'll be Kazuya wearing a Shotoboy uniform with a snazzy haircut. Then Capcom will go ahead and release Uber SF4, which will be SFxT with SF4's gameplay system and all of SSF4's characters. :ninja:
Anyone know when Capcom will be making their announcement on this 5th character??
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on July 26, 2013, 09:57:24 pm
Hell, for all we care, it'll be Kazuya wearing a Shotoboy uniform with a snazzy haircut. Then Capcom will go ahead and release Uber SF4, which will be SFxT with SF4's gameplay system and all of SSF4's characters. :ninja:
Anyone know when Capcom will be making their announcement on this 5th character??
(http://www.clubbing9ine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/the-ring-girl.jpg) In 7 days.......
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on July 26, 2013, 10:01:26 pm
It will be ono in a chun li costume =/
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on July 26, 2013, 10:25:08 pm
That's good to hear. I've had a lot of Dudley players tell me they have problems with the mid range poking game against certain characters. As I recall Dudley had some serious weaknesses in AE so I'm glad they are buffing him.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on July 27, 2013, 06:38:06 pm
I hope Vega/Claw is buffed in a good way. I'd love to see projectile invincibility on the first 6 or so frames on his EX Wall Dive or Wall Claw Attack. Or perhaps some less charging time for his moves, like Guile.
One could dream, right??
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Blackmore on July 27, 2013, 08:28:31 pm
All right, awesome to hear that Dudley's getting some love.
Nothing else to say unless I missed anything about Adon.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on July 27, 2013, 08:36:08 pm
I hope Vega/Claw is buffed in a good way. I'd love to see projectile invincibility on the first 6 or so frames on his EX Wall Dive or Wall Claw Attack. Or perhaps some less charging time for his moves, like Guile.
One could dream, right??
I'm waiting on Vega changes myself, I started playing him a few days ago and I can definitely think of some things that would make him better.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on July 27, 2013, 08:42:44 pm
He's awesome. Ever since I dressed up as him at Otakon in 2005, I've never turned back. ;D
I hope there are good changes/buffs. Capcom did state that they intend to make every character a threat. Lets see if that holds true.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on July 27, 2013, 08:44:33 pm
what if the new character is whoever the fuck C. Viper talks to on her phone! :S
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on July 27, 2013, 08:46:14 pm
what if the new character is whoever the fuck C. Viper talks to on her phone! :S
Hell, I'd invest in Capcom if they did that. Clever suggestion Reck!!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on July 27, 2013, 09:00:01 pm
trinotritictitititiry No one obviously know who the fifth character is , they are just throwing speculation to one another, no one knows and no one will be able to tell you until capcom announces, so there is no point asking.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Trinitronity on July 27, 2013, 09:07:03 pm
???
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on July 27, 2013, 09:09:57 pm
what if the new character is whoever the fuck C. Viper talks to on her phone! :S
is he the 5th man he's the 5th man what the hell is going on
This was there when I posted. Why are you pretending it wasnt?
Oh, that. I just wanted to do a "5th man" joke (which was the reason, why I used Nero's avi instead of mine), but after posting, I feared, that it could be a bad joke, so I just deleted it in order to avoid all trouble.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Daniel9999999 on July 27, 2013, 09:29:49 pm
Oh, that. I just wanted to do a "5th man" joke (which was the reason, why I used Nero's avi instead of mine), but after posting, I feared, that it could be a bad joke, so I just deleted it in order to avoid all trouble.
You better just not post. Also you better stay off from the avvie impersonation jokes. Rice and I haven't done any of them in a long while because they only work on certain circumstances.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Trinitronity on July 27, 2013, 09:31:00 pm
I'm sorry. I will try to put them to a minimum from now on...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on July 27, 2013, 09:47:00 pm
I have avatars disabled, I just dont understand your confusion when after I reply to you, you delete the post.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on July 27, 2013, 10:32:22 pm
i dont actually mind that shortcut being removed cuz i tend to do it online accidentally, and get the raping for it
and good about the footsies, that'll change dudley's game a little heh
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 12345rSTREET on July 28, 2013, 12:04:33 am
Other new character is, some sfa character that doesn't appear. Or maybe rival school like batsu ichimonji, and haggar. Don' t forget about asura, when he fight akuma, its incredibly fast. And character that from capcom fighting all star. Like inggrid. .
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on July 28, 2013, 12:17:36 am
Does nobody remember that the new character has already been confirmed to NOT be Asura and that this will be their FG debut?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on July 28, 2013, 12:19:16 am
Evidently so. I'm still holding out for Goutetsu, Gou Hibiki, or Tom.
Gou Hibiki would be great, I would realy like to so how he realy looks like, or if they go all "Mr. Karate" and give him a freanking Tengu Mask for all of his costumes. xD
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on July 28, 2013, 12:55:24 pm
Mr. Saikyo needs to be canon. I should try sketching up a movelist for him because I'm ungodly bored right now listening to Touhou remixes. EDIT: So Zemilia and I dreamed up this little provisional movelist because boredom and being tired helps your creative juices or some crap like that.
Spoiler: Oh god I'm tired right now but I'm wide awake what(click to see content)
Throws and FA: Oosotogou: Mr. Saikyo trips P2 and punches them on the ground.
Nage Ippon Gou: Saikyo does an over-the-shoulder throw.
Focus Attack : Pretty much does Mouko Shikouken.
Specials: Or Ken Gou (QCF+P): He throws a fat fireball one-handed that explodes in front of him. EX version is invisible and reaches half-screen or so.
Hien Goukyaku (Charge DB, F+K): Saikyo launches forward with a kick and, if it hits, he combos into a second hit that launches for juggles. EX version launches higher for juggles into Ultra 1.
Shoran Saikyo (HCB+K): Mr. Saikyo does a slow running start and, if he grabs P2, he knees them once. EX version does more hits.
Gouryuken (DP+P): Saikyo does a DP. EX version does another hit.
San Ikusa No Gou (DD+P): Saikyo does a cool flexing pose. Two attacks that hit him will be absorbed like a focus attack. EX version absorbs three hits.
Gouretsuken (QCB+P): Saikyo starts punching. If P2 gets hit, he combos and P2 crumples (FADC for more combos). Breaks armor. EX version uppercuts and allows a small corner juggle.
Super: Saikyo Gouryuken: Mr. Saikyo does a heavy DP with a lot of hits.
Ultra 1: Kishin Gou Geki: Saikyo does a very heavy punch. If it lands, he berates his opponent and does another punch that makes a green explosion.
Ultra 2: Kosatsu Gou: Mr. Saikyo does a karate chop pose. If P2 hits him, he chops down on them really heavy.
Thoughts and suggestions welcome I guess.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on July 28, 2013, 02:23:27 pm
.... That's not WAY too much Mr Karate AT ALL.
Quote
Or Ken San Ikusa
Ou Ken Sansen. Gouretsuken having armor break is useless if it already is a multiple hit attack.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on July 28, 2013, 03:37:16 pm
Or maybe... IT'S A ME, MARIO!!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on July 28, 2013, 03:43:48 pm
Yeah, Mario Auditore would be interesting with frametrap sword pokes.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lichtbringer on July 28, 2013, 08:30:55 pm
I remember that Gou Hibiki with Tengu Mask was a part of Dan's Moves in Puzzle Fighter I belive was the game, does that count as a fighting game appearances?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 地獄の花 on July 28, 2013, 09:02:34 pm
puzzle? wasn't it called pocket fighter?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on July 28, 2013, 09:05:30 pm
Puzzle Fighter is the puzzle / Tetris-ish version of Pocket Fighter.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lichtbringer on July 28, 2013, 10:02:42 pm
ah sorry I always confuse this two, they use the same grafic style. =/
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on July 29, 2013, 12:07:04 am
pocket fighter = super gem fighter
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on July 29, 2013, 12:16:34 am
Super Gem Fighter Mini Mix is Pocket Fighter.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on July 29, 2013, 12:25:03 am
i just fucking posted that are you kidding me
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on July 29, 2013, 02:17:36 am
Just go with Pocket Fighter or Puzzle Fighter. It's best, and easiest that way.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: C.a.r.l.o.s. on July 31, 2013, 10:55:06 pm
THE 5° FIGHTER?Very street fighter kind?hummmmm...! -Goku, DBZ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: GOH on August 01, 2013, 12:03:54 am
I guess that's why it's always harder to be yourself.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on August 01, 2013, 12:21:18 am
Guys, let us wake up. We're all grasping at straws at who the 5th fighter is. It could be anyone for all we know.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 01, 2013, 12:40:59 am
no videoman, they already gave clues.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Basara Dandy on August 01, 2013, 02:30:40 am
Guys, for those ones who already asked for it, I've some bad news for you...
THE 5TH CHARACTER IT'S NOT ONO XD (https://twitter.com/Yoshi_OnoChin/status/359098199258042368)
In Ono's twitter there're various questions and suggerences about the 5th character, but only few of them have been answered, others just passed (like one guy who asked about Dean from FF3). So... we've to wait until friday I guess...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on August 01, 2013, 02:38:58 am
what's special about friday
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: RunningWild on August 01, 2013, 02:39:48 am
Nothing will change, SF4 will always be an ass game.
Play Real Bout Fatal Fury 2.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on August 01, 2013, 02:40:44 am
based on context im assuming friday will be the day ono will give out more info
i have no sources to back this up; context
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on August 01, 2013, 02:43:46 am
He was ? That's a bit dumb then, I get the Abel and Seth reference but we can legitimately be waiting for a Cain to show up (a Cain and Abel duo without Seth would have been fine but a Seth and Abel without Cain is odd), and it turns out it was Seth all along and we'll likely never get a Cain ? What trickery is this
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on August 02, 2013, 02:27:51 am
this was way back in like 08 that i remember hearing/reading this, so i dont even think i can cite a source lol
also i think i remember hearing something about cammy being the cain to abel's...abel, since they were both g-modded woulda-been-bodies for bison and essentially siblings while seth is the 3rd man sibling/body, which would make sense from that standpoint
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on August 02, 2013, 02:34:06 am
Too bad that's more of a MvC3 movelist so the joke doesn't quite work.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on August 02, 2013, 02:36:38 am
the sf4 style font artwork and portrait make it work imo
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 02, 2013, 02:49:13 am
That movelist table is from the MVC3 instruction manual.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on August 02, 2013, 02:57:40 am
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on August 03, 2013, 12:16:44 pm
What makes him think that?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on August 03, 2013, 12:28:35 pm
I'm not him. How should I know? :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 03, 2013, 12:30:29 pm
So some forum goer pulled a date out of his ass with no source. Seems legit to me!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on August 03, 2013, 12:35:28 pm
Yeah you've done a fine job of not answering my question, thanks for coming out. I read the thread and I understand context, and I don't need you to recite posts to me as if I don't or didn't.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 03, 2013, 12:38:27 pm
based on context im assuming friday will be the day ono will give out more info
i have no sources to back this up; context
I guess Basara pulled a date out of nowhere that he thought would be the day they reveal it on and several people took for fact? I don't have any clue, Capcom did have some conference of sorts yesterday but it was for the mobile market.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on August 03, 2013, 01:19:30 pm
Meh..case solved ... guess we have to wait till next year.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 地獄の花 on August 03, 2013, 06:49:22 pm
didn't they said that the 5th character will be revealed later this year?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on August 03, 2013, 07:05:03 pm
basara didn't know what he was talking about, that's new.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on August 06, 2013, 06:18:12 pm
The recent unveiling of Ultra Street Fighter IV should have been sign enough that, for better or worse, we'll be stuck with the game for a while yet. Those itching for a fresh new installment should look at the series' release history, according to producer Tomoaki Ayano.
"Game development is a long and arduous process," he told VG247. "If you look at the history of the series, it took six years to go from Street Fighter II to Street Fighter III, and nine years to go from Street Fighter III to Street Fighter IV. Purely based on that it would probably take us until the year 2018 before Street Fighter V comes out. So I hope everyone will play Ultra Street Fighter IV for a long time."
Yeah...because you release so many fucking updates instead of new games.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on August 06, 2013, 06:38:57 pm
Well, at least they're kinda honest about it. KOF would add 1 team or 2 and VIOLÁ "new" game!
In any case, this game is good. It refined and made a game more competitive than SF3, AND they're receiving feedback, resolving bugs, and doing balance patches. This kind of support to the community playing their games is good.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Mgbenz on August 06, 2013, 06:46:01 pm
What? The only reason it took six years was because they were making Alpha games. Is he seriously saying it will take more than 5 years for them to make a new game?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on August 06, 2013, 07:38:47 pm
Well, at least they're kinda honest about it. KOF would add 1 team or 2 and VIOLÁ "new" game!
Except that almost every KOF got a new story, or part of a story, different bosses, gameplay changes, new characters, new soundtracks, new stages.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 06, 2013, 11:08:21 pm
Yeah I'm with these guys. I'd rather have a good game getting updated than a "sequel" shat out every year for full price with minor changes.....like KOF lol.
Title: See also: Guilty Gear and BB-BBCS
Post by: S.D. on August 06, 2013, 11:41:37 pm
KOF's "updates" were yearly though, and the comparison is extremely stupid.
Honestly? I'd rather have yearly updates (new stages, music, systems and way way more characters) like in KOF rather than getting extremely burned out by the same game game for over 5 years where there's only minor balance tweaks and they add characters once in a while (SSF-AE was fine), I hate the fact that they're porting the SFxT characters instead of adding more interesting and neglected characters but I understand how it's cheaper from a production point to do that since they already have the models and the rigging data probably transfers easily since SFxT uses pretty much the same engine from SF4)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nomechy on August 06, 2013, 11:47:15 pm
Kof's "yearly updates" also did actually makes changes to the base fighting system to varying degrees.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 07, 2013, 12:02:46 am
And some of them (2000, XII) ended up fucking the whole thing up.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on August 07, 2013, 12:06:57 am
KOF's "updates" were yearly though, and the comparison is extremely stupid.
it was mc2 anything stupid he says is extremely stupid,
sfiv was released in 2008, now it's 2013 if we assume that the new sfiv version is out thiis year. now for mc2 kof2k3 is an update to kof 98 in the same way that ultra sfiv is an update to sfiv.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on August 07, 2013, 01:25:40 am
USFIV comes out until next year though, so.... 2000 was fucking amazing, best stages and top tier OST, it also had amazing in-game art and production values (All that new spritework for everyone...new moves or stances + new strikers and a bunch of new characters) the only downside was the Striker System being kinda broken (They were limited though) and a terrible boss. I can't believe someone would complain about 2000.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 07, 2013, 01:32:29 am
Fuck, not 2000 I meant 99 lol. 99 was the one that brought in strikers right?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Roman55 on August 07, 2013, 01:34:57 am
Yeah it was '99.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nomechy on August 07, 2013, 01:35:32 am
Fucking 99.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on August 07, 2013, 02:05:56 am
i liked 99
well 99 evolution anyway
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 07, 2013, 02:12:26 am
the most broken one was 2k1, 2k was kinda broken with certain specifi strikers (lol joe), but was very nice otherwise.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on August 07, 2013, 02:16:21 am
2000 was fucking amazing, best stages and top tier OST, it also had amazing in-game art and production values (All that new spritework for everyone...new moves or stances + new strikers and a bunch of new characters) the only downside was the Striker System being kinda broken (They were limited though) and a terrible boss. I can't believe someone would complain about 2000.
Eh, Zero's AI was the only thing wrong with him. But his theme was absolute genius.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Roman55 on August 07, 2013, 02:22:20 am
2k1 being developed by a much different team explains that.
It's also the game that replaced Lin's blowback sprites with the one of him opening his mouth for some reason.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 07, 2013, 02:24:30 am
99 was cool! Plus it had Tears, Sadistic Eyes, Sha-Na-Na, Mechanical Bliss/My Dear Falling Angel... 2000's soundtrack may have been better overall, but it didn't hit the highs of 99.
But gamewise yeah 2000 is amazing, even the menus are gorgeous.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 07, 2013, 02:25:52 am
What you really mean is "99 had a cool soundtrack" because the gameplay was shit. -Fucked up rolls -Strikers -K' at his worst
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on August 07, 2013, 02:27:03 am
After all, no game should tweak its system between installments at all. ::)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 07, 2013, 02:28:25 am
Notice how KOF NEVER went back to 99's shitty roll system? There's a reason for that. Just like KOF13 didn't bring back the counters from 12. What you call "tweaks" SNK calls experiments gone wrong that they never revisited.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: LurkerSupreme on August 07, 2013, 02:29:36 am
I hated strikers too. I don't remember what they did to rolls. What happened ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on August 07, 2013, 02:29:46 am
Experiments never go wrong, they just produce less than satisfactory results. Here I thought you'd be complaining about the changes from KOF 95 to 96.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Darkflare on August 07, 2013, 02:39:39 am
I hated strikers too. I don't remember what they did to rolls. What happened ?
it's a weird backdash to instant forward dash thing that put you awkwardly back in the same place for back dash and a standard forward dodge dash...thingy (not a roll, weirdly) for forward roll that had could be cancelled into a dodge attack and i hate it (present tense cuz i still play it)
99 was cool! Plus it had Tears, Sadistic Eyes, Sha-La-La, Mechanical Bliss/My Dear Falling Angel... 2000's soundtrack may have been better overall, but it didn't hit the highs of 99.
But gamewise yeah 2000 is amazing, even the menus are gorgeous.
all of this tho yes
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 07, 2013, 02:42:27 am
What was even the point of the backwards roll in 99?
99 was cool! Plus it had Tears, Sadistic Eyes, Sha-La-La, Mechanical Bliss/My Dear Falling Angel... 2000's soundtrack may have been better overall, but it didn't hit the highs of 99.
But gamewise yeah 2000 is amazing, even the menus are gorgeous.
all of this tho yes
Yeah, whoops, Sha-La-La. Must've said Sha-Na-Na because I was thinking of Sha Na Na, because of that Comedy Bang Bang! episode with Hot Dog.
Also what are you talking about it is My Dear Falling Angel! >:[
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Roman55 on August 07, 2013, 02:43:42 am
I remember it as just "Dear Falling Angel".
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 07, 2013, 02:46:02 am
I see, so the SNK wiki is a dirty liar. (http://vgmdb.net/album/1572)
.\/.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on August 07, 2013, 03:11:03 am
I see, so the SNK wiki is a dirty liar. (http://vgmdb.net/album/1572)
.\/.
ah, i see
please, dont ever refer to the snk wiki for any information, please (this also goes for everybody)
its just a bad, like really horrible place to cite anything on snk games that isn't already on official sites, and i (anyone) can edit it to say some pretty erronous and hilarious things
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 07, 2013, 03:49:39 am
Nah, I really meant what I said. 99 is cool. It's flawed, but cool.
So what do you like about it? No for real I want to know. It's still recognizable as the KOF formula but it's so hacked and screwed that it almost plays like a Bad Mugen character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 07, 2013, 03:55:27 am
it's still better than 2k3. taht oen completely fucked up the feeling of the game.
What was even the point of the backwards roll in 99?
it was cancellable to a special attack, so it was useful provided you were not cornered.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Fisher King on August 07, 2013, 04:23:10 am
IMO 2k1 & 2k2 are the worst. Broken & completely messed up in balance and almost every aspect. I sincerely don´t see how 2k2 is so likeable, perhaps is the MAX mode?? I don´t know. Seeing dozen of hacks of that game doesn´t help either >:( 99, well I have mixed feelings about it, same for 2003. 2k1 is a little better than 2k2 IMO, but still... damn it Eolith.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on August 07, 2013, 04:54:11 am
fgc tourneyfags like it so that's that
which means it has its own full/complete entry on srk wiki*
*note this applies to any and all games liked by the fgc
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 07, 2013, 05:00:04 am
02 is a dream match and I guess that combined with it being Brazil and Mexico's favorite KOF means it lasts longer than the others, I don't know.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 07, 2013, 05:12:18 am
02 is only more broken than 98, otherwise is the most balanced kof; it's character roster is better than 98 and the characters that are in both games have evolved from 98 to there so they feel more unique (less crouch C, stand B abuse , more unique moves to each character).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on August 07, 2013, 05:26:11 am
oh right, shermie's spriteset too
how could i forget about that /boner
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lith on August 07, 2013, 05:29:00 am
Funny how one little mention of KOF changes the entire direction of this thread.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 07, 2013, 05:33:31 am
It's relevant. We're comparing yearly new games (KOF) to yearly updates (SF).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on August 07, 2013, 05:34:30 am
When will this game be out?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 07, 2013, 05:37:12 am
I don't know if we have a date yet, just "2014" for now I think.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4: but let's talk about KOF
Post by: Jmorphman on August 07, 2013, 08:14:38 am
please, dont ever refer to the snk wiki for any information, please (this also goes for everybody)
I don't! My copy of the soundtrack had it listed as "My Dear Falling Angel", and I only used the wiki to get a second opinion! It was an emergency, I thought they'd at least be able to get the track name right!!!
So what do you like about it? No for real I want to know. It's still recognizable as the KOF formula but it's so hacked and screwed that it almost plays like a Bad Mugen character.
It's got a fantastic soundtrack, great stages, good presentation, pretty good roster (I like Kyo and all but the Kyo clones were silly), cool new characters, cool boss. And I like the idea of the striker system, but the execution wasn't perfect. The change of the rolls was stupid but not game breaking.
02 is only more broken than 98, otherwise is the most balanced kof; it's character roster is better than 98 and the characters that are in both games have evolved from 98 to there so they feel more unique (less crouch C, stand B abuse , more unique moves to each character).
I still vastly prefer 98 over it, since everything else about 2k2 is pretty awful. The stages, the music, the lifebars/menus/whatever. It's just so ugh.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Mgbenz on August 07, 2013, 01:54:36 pm
KOF99 has best Athena costume and best Shinkiro art. It wins by default.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on August 07, 2013, 02:27:18 pm
What Mgbenz said
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 07, 2013, 02:28:33 pm
NO IT FUCKING DIDN'T, 2002 HAD THE BEST ATHENA COSTUME. 99's is a good one too though.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on August 07, 2013, 03:33:09 pm
Spoiler: More KOF 99 Offtopic goodness(click to see content)
I'm sad you guys haet 99 ... It was so much fun, and felt so polished from the in-game artwork to the music, to all the new costumes.
It's the only KOF I beat with all the teams at the Arcade, and loved the multiple endings for some teams. And having Kyo and Iori blocked right from the start, made people try new characters and that gave variety to the scene.
IN ANY CASE, back then I said I'd pay money to see the content of SFxT in SF4 (Specially because I've always been flirting with the idea of maining Hugo, and Rolento, and I already main Poison in SFxT, so it's an all around win for me) and they're making it happen, so my wallet is ready. PLUS! We're getting a new character, which boosts the total roster to 44 characters ... 7 more than the largest SF installment before it, SFA3 MAX.
This is the biggest Street Fighter EVER. There's absolutely no reason why won't be playing this game for years to come, like Third Strike pretty much.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on August 07, 2013, 04:13:28 pm
There's absolutely no reason why won't be playing this game for years to come, like Third Strike pretty much.
Yes there is
Its fucking 5 years old already, 6 next year and other game series moved and move forward while the SF series stands still almost since 2008.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Mgbenz on August 07, 2013, 04:16:02 pm
Its fucking 5 years old already, 6 next year and other game series moved and move forward while the SF series stands still almost since 2008.
2010 actually. Super is pretty much a game of its own.
Also, people still play SF3:3 today because it's a good game. SF4 is still alive and kicking online, and hype is building up for the update to come, so it will have been 4/5 years of a game that hasn't died out. Show me another one that's been so succesful.
Learn to recognize or GB2 Tekkan
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on August 07, 2013, 04:38:42 pm
The system (focus, ultra etc.) is from 2008 which is a lot more important than the cast and the balance fixes, even more important than 15+ new characters. I myself would like to see a new game that abandons ultras for example.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on August 07, 2013, 04:42:01 pm
I remember when this thread was about Ultra Street Fighter 4.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on August 07, 2013, 04:44:23 pm
I remember when there was anything to say about it. Like several pages of guessing who the fifth character could be :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on August 07, 2013, 04:46:04 pm
Its fucking 5 years old already, 6 next year and other game series moved and move forward while the SF series stands still almost since 2008.
2010 actually. Super is pretty much a game of its own.
Also, people still play SF3:3 today because it's a good game. SF4 is still alive and kicking online, and hype is building up for the update to come, so it will have been 4/5 years of a game that hasn't died out. Show me another one that's been so succesful.
Learn to recognize or GB2 Tekkan
Super SFIV is pretty much a game of its own?
Walt..are you living in bizarro world or something?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on August 07, 2013, 04:48:51 pm
The system (focus, ultra etc.) is from 2008 which is a lot more important than the cast and the balance fixes, even more important than 15+ new characters. I myself would like to see a new game that abandons ultras for example.
I would rather have a system where supers are more flexible, the whole "pick one ultra" makes for characters with completely useless ultras, sfalpha had no issues with every character having several supermoves.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on August 07, 2013, 04:51:20 pm
Yeah the KOF shit was pretty irrelevant to everything past the first 3 or so posts.
Such as? Games that were released since SF4 were stuff like Blazblue (got lots of dlc before moving on), DOA5, KOF12/13, MK9 (got lots of dlc updates before they moved on), SC5, Tekken Tag 2.
So tell me, where is DOA6, MK10, SC6 and Tekken Tag 3?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on August 07, 2013, 04:53:59 pm
The system (focus, ultra etc.) is from 2008 which is a lot more important than the cast and the balance fixes, even more important than 15+ new characters. I myself would like to see a new game that abandons ultras for example.
I would rather have a system where supers are more flexible, the whole "pick one ultra" makes for characters with completely useless ultras, sfalpha had no issues with every character having several supermoves.
*this*
Or just some options like the hidden ones in SFIII on Dreamcast which would allow to use all ultras instead of one and a lot other gameplay changers
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on August 07, 2013, 04:54:09 pm
Walt..are you living in bizarro world or something?
They added 1 more ultra for all characters + 10 New characters (2 of which are completely original) + New stages + New "Screenpack" + Story completely changed focus and the intro and ending storyboards got remade + Rival Fight changed for many of the existing characters
I'm sorry you don't see it man.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on August 07, 2013, 04:57:46 pm
I would rather have a system where supers are more flexible, the whole "pick one ultra" makes for characters with completely useless ultras, sfalpha had no issues with every character having several supermoves.
Yeah, another thing in relation to what you say that bothers me is that supers are pretty rare, unless you forfeit your EXs and your FADCs. It's all about ultras. I'd be okay with one "ultra" (with a different system) but then more "supers" and easier to get supers. Like other fighters that have two Lv1s and one Lv3.
They added 1 more ultra for all characters + 10 New characters (2 of which are completely original) + New stages + New "Screenpack" + Story completely changed focus and the intro and ending storyboards got remade + Rival Fight changed for many of the existing characters
Everyone's comparing it to KoF which changes the *system* all the time. Yes, story and even characters and one new super (ultra) and stages and screenpack is a lot less important than the system, because all those things you mention are upgrades that are done one by one, not an overhaul all at once. Like KoF. It's not a brand new game, it's DLC, except it was actually too big to fit as a DLC and they didn't prepare the architecture for it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on August 07, 2013, 05:03:13 pm
On top of the super/ultra change ICED mentioned the thing I would want most is the ability to turn off the command short cuts and fix the Ultra priority so that EX attacks/teleports don't come out instead unless you do the move perfectly.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on August 07, 2013, 05:19:33 pm
They added 1 more ultra for all characters + 10 New characters (2 of which are completely original) + New stages + New "Screenpack" + Story completely changed focus and the intro and ending storyboards got remade + Rival Fight changed for many of the existing characters
Everyone's comparing it to KoF which changes the *system* all the time. Yes, story and even characters and one new super (ultra) and stages and screenpack is a lot less important than the system, because all those things you mention are upgrades that are done one by one, not an overhaul all at once. Like KoF. It's not a brand new game, it's DLC, except it was actually too big to fit as a DLC and they didn't prepare the architecture for it.
Your point is that "It's the same game". It is not.
From a business point of view, the amount of production value it has (how much it cost to do all the changes that were made) + the rebalancing AND new ultras for each and every character is quite an undertaking in itself.
I see it doesn't hold value for you, but it has value in itself because it cost company resources, and I do perceive said value and actually enjoy it, all the way to the new announcer uttering all of those nonsensical phrases in the VS screen.
It is *almost* a brand new game, whether you want to accept it or not.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on August 07, 2013, 05:42:28 pm
The thing we're complaining about is that if SF Zero 1, SF Zero 2, and SF Zero 3 all had the exact same system, we'd be happy with all the new characters, stages and story each time, but we'd get bored with the system. We're playing with the same system through 5 years here, that's where people are being annoyed - we're not discussing how much work went into each iteration. The only new things are characters and moves, but for the things like the Focus and how the Ultras work, if we don't like them, we're stuck with it. Think of all the people who hated the parry system, they had nothing new after '97.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 07, 2013, 07:27:54 pm
02 is only more broken than 98, otherwise is the most balanced kof; it's character roster is better than 98 and the characters that are in both games have evolved from 98 to there so they feel more unique (less crouch C, stand B abuse , more unique moves to each character).
I still vastly prefer 98 over it, since everything else about 2k2 is pretty awful. The stages, the music, the lifebars/menus/whatever. It's just so ugh.
yeha, 2k2 has the worse presentation of any kof to date. I know a lot of kof regular who did not even feel like trying the game because the presentation felt cheap. even 2k1's genki presentation felt better.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on August 07, 2013, 07:31:55 pm
The 2k2 remake fixed a lot of that though ^^
Together with the 98 remake and KOF MI2 its my fav. KOF
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on August 07, 2013, 07:44:12 pm
2k2 should only be played at arcades because the menus are so shitty so you dont have to look at them
on the ultra thing, i hate it because, there being two ultras (previously one) there's not enough room for unpredictability
for instance, cammy and fei-long have a counter ultra - that you have to pick (remy does too but no one picks remy hyuk hyuk) and you will know they picked that ultra because it shows on the select screen
so all match you have knowledge of this ultra and that someone will use it (unless they dont), which creates obvious strategies around it, unless of course the user has cat-like reflexes and uses it exactly when theyre being attacked, etc
same thing for grab supers, strategies around distance
yeah i just miss the use of multiple supers, which 3s gave you the option of doing because it threw off the predictability of setting up a strategy around just one, even when they have a super, which for most characters looks just like their fucking ultra (i think i mentioned this previously, fucking deja vu)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on August 07, 2013, 07:46:19 pm
I'm hoping they're gonna add an additional super that can be used in-game (not pick one beforehand, because that's stupid). It opens up more options in-game and allows newer players more of a chance. (If you're getting zoned out with Makoto, your only option is Ultra II, but what if you didn't pick it? Shouldn't she have a projectile invincible super with decent range?) essentially if done properly you'd have a way to cover your characters weaknesses without doing any complex mindgames/maneuvers.
I also hope they make Ultra inputs universal, because I like to use different characters, and in close games I can't always remember what the input is for the ultra I have selected.
I also hope they get rid of that STUPID-ASS DOUBLE FLASH INPUT, and go back to just double quarter circles or 360s like in SFIII
The Ultra trailer also mentioned new modes, what do you think they'll be? Think we'll get a briefing room? No-Ultras mode? Error1 mode?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 08, 2013, 08:12:10 am
yeha, 2k2 has the worse presentation of any kof to date. I know a lot of kof regular who did not even feel like trying the game because the presentation felt cheap. even 2k1's genki presentation felt better.
Eh, I felt like 2k1's presentation was worse, way more slapdash and garish.
I also hope they get rid of that STUPID-ASS DOUBLE FLASH INPUT, and go back to just double quarter circles or 360s like in SFIII
They should just use the one from SSFIITHDR, that worked pretty well, I think.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 08, 2013, 08:18:24 am
Probably not going to happen. HDR was not well received in any way at all.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 08, 2013, 08:20:19 am
I can dream!
Although, Ono did talk about wanting to make the inputs easier in SFxT, and that's why they're so simple, so maybe there might be something like that in the next game, whenever that comes?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 08, 2013, 08:30:03 am
SFxT was also not well received, but the inputs were changed to fit the system. Besides pretzel chargers are easier than ever in SF4, there are so many shortcuts what would be the point of changing them when they've never been easier to do?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 08, 2013, 08:33:39 am
Ono specifically said he wanted to make it easier for new users to perform attacks, and I think that's a worthwhile goal. The change in commands is likely to be as a result of both the system and that goal.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 08, 2013, 08:48:55 am
Would you believe me if I said I had an easier time with pretzel charges in Super Turbo than anything else, including SF4? But really I think SF4 is pushing it as it is in terms of being too lenient and forgiving, I think making things like Guile's sonic boom a QCF would just be overboard.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 08, 2013, 08:52:53 am
I don't think anyone was asking for that.
Title: Unless you need to jump to the opposite wall with Vega or something.
Post by: S.D. on August 08, 2013, 09:17:18 am
Pretzel charges aren't even a real pretzel charge anymore and they're not that hard, use the "shortcut". charge DB, HCB, UB (So 3/4 circle backwards)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on August 09, 2013, 10:59:54 pm
Random detail time http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/aug/09/please-make-rose-juri-and-gouken-cuter-interesting-ultra-street-fighter-4-balance-requests-part-3/ Silly random stuff, with...
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Ayano: Since Gouken is the disciple of Ryuuken
Wait what ? Did Goutetsu get a name change or is that just a brain fart from Ayano ? (yes I just checked the Japanese blog, he calls him Ryuuken)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on August 09, 2013, 11:04:56 pm
Well considering there's a plot canon guide that gives the idea that Gouken may not actually be Gouken or some shit...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 10, 2013, 12:12:48 am
Random detail time http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/aug/09/please-make-rose-juri-and-gouken-cuter-interesting-ultra-street-fighter-4-balance-requests-part-3/ Silly random stuff, with...
Quote
Ayano: Since Gouken is the disciple of Ryuuken
Wait what ? Did Goutetsu get a name change or is that just a brain fart from Ayano ? (yes I just checked the Japanese blog, he calls him Ryuuken)
is not that a translation error ? remember that the whole sheng long shenanigans started when dragon punch got mistranslated as sheng long (you must defeat the shoryuken/shenglong to stand a chance).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on August 10, 2013, 12:29:54 am
No, it's Ryuuken in Japanese too. In katakana, even, so the straight pronunciation, not an alternative reading of some other kanjis. Shenglong was the Chinese pronunciation of known kanjis, and neither Ryuuken nor Goutetsu are the Chinese pronunciation of anything, they're both the Japanese reading of something - something different.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Igniz on August 10, 2013, 06:54:59 am
Exactly. This is how it appears on the official blog:
And just for comparison, this is how Goutetsu is written: 剛鉄
Mind slip? Did they forgot about Goutetsu just as they did with Genryusai when they came up with Zeku? Is Ayano hinting about the all-new character? Or is he just playing with the fans a la Eiichiro Oda?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on August 10, 2013, 08:36:25 am
Probably not going to happen. HDR was not well received in any way at all.
90% of all reviews being positive = not well received?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 10, 2013, 08:38:00 am
Approval rating on....what? Because in the FGC most people consider HDR a gigantic step down from Super Turbo and it is always the butt of jokes at Sirlin's expense. Hell even on MFG it gets ridicule for its terribly animated badly proportioned sprites (shoutouts to Rolento's page).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on August 10, 2013, 08:40:11 am
I dunno, I did a quick glance at Metacritic and Gameranking and it hovered around that amount of positive reviews.
But I haven't seen any criticisms outside of the terrible redone sprites.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on August 10, 2013, 08:42:32 am
Probably the more casual players liked it.
But yeah the sprites were goofy. Seriously Ryu why are you looking at me in your Shoryuken? I don't frigging look like Honda you dimlo
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 10, 2013, 08:46:06 am
Most of the criticism comes from the fact that it's the ONLY port of Super Turbo on PSN and (possibly) XBLA and it's not a good one. Even the classic mode is based on the....Dreamcast I think version and not the arcade one that everyone plays.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on August 10, 2013, 08:54:09 am
I kinda admit I liked being able to do Akuma's super without having to unlock the dip switch menu I guess?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 10, 2013, 08:57:56 am
I liked the alternate commands for some moves, but thought some of the changes were pretty silly (Chun-Li's arcing Spinning Bird Kick, for one).
Still, an interesting experiment, I think.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on August 10, 2013, 09:00:54 am
I read Sirlin's site about the changes he did an how he tried to get around Akuma's godlike air fireball. Did you know at one point it would have cost meter?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 10, 2013, 08:13:10 pm
I dunno, I did a quick glance at Metacritic and Gameranking and it hovered around that amount of positive reviews.
But I haven't seen any criticisms outside of the terrible redone sprites.
the very first batch of sprites was pretty good, but then they noticed they would ntot be able to keep a low budget wiht that quality and got koreans to do them instead. Posted: August 21, 2013, 11:40:42 pm was this interview posted before (as in, nto being exclusive to ann) ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on August 23, 2013, 12:58:53 am
Capcom gives us another hint towards the identity of the mysterious 5th character. (http://www.hadoken.net/?p=5752)
It is about time. We barely hear anything from them concerning Ultra Street Fighter IV.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on August 23, 2013, 01:08:54 am
Quote
ANN: Compared to something like Marvel vs. CAPCOM, Street Fighter generally draws from only itself, Final Fight, and perhaps the canceled CAPCOM Fighting All-Stars. Will the new character expand that continuity?
Dahlgren: The character’s a very natural fit for the Street Fighter universe. It’s a character that R&D was thinking about for some time and wanted to bring to fruition.
Sounds like a technical challenge for them ... meaning it'll be something weird, like Hakkan.
And that's a turn off for me.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 23, 2013, 01:12:18 am
the ann article says that it might have been in a fighter before, and most likely it was because there was no need to change the phrasing otherwise (well, maybe to mislead people).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 23, 2013, 01:14:25 am
Karate Clown is BACK.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on August 23, 2013, 01:18:05 am
Now I want Cyborg, with copied moves from the opponent.
Edit: OR TERRY BOGARD
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 23, 2013, 01:28:41 am
it's human taliban.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on August 23, 2013, 01:30:05 am
oh oh oh
ANY DARKSTALKERS CROSSOVER CHARACTER WOULD BE AWESOME
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on August 23, 2013, 01:34:51 am
Human Talbain would be great but theres no reason why they would have had any trouble with putting him in before.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on August 23, 2013, 01:52:43 am
because fei long
1 bruce lee clone per capcom game folks dont fight it
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on August 23, 2013, 02:09:44 am
:sad3:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on August 23, 2013, 02:15:56 am
ANN: Compared to something like Marvel vs. CAPCOM, Street Fighter generally draws from only itself, Final Fight, and perhaps the canceled CAPCOM Fighting All-Stars. Will the new character expand that continuity?
Dahlgren: The character’s a very natural fit for the Street Fighter universe. It’s a character that R&D was thinking about for some time and wanted to bring to fruition.
Sounds like a technical challenge for them ... meaning it'll be something weird, like Hakkan.
And that's a turn off for me.
Why do you hate fun? :(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on August 23, 2013, 02:19:30 am
When they give you another Dhalsim, I want to see how many times you actually use it. I WANT YOU TO COUNT HOW MANY TIMES.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on August 23, 2013, 02:19:39 am
Part of me want the 5th character to be Death from CFAS. Unlike DD or Rook, he was never shown in gameplay nor do we know how he looks like outside of an outline. Shit, in that game he planted a bomb somewhere within Metro City that would wipe out the city entirely, which is why Haggar sent out a crack team of... friends? In order to save the city, find the bomb and attack interlopers. And technically, this could be Death's first outing in a (finished) fighting game.
Plus he's owned by Capcom like Ingrid and the rest sooooooo...
This is a HUUUUUUUUUGE fuckin' stretch but by "hardcore fans might get hype", the guys at Capcom could've meant an indirect resurrection?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Darkflare on August 23, 2013, 02:27:00 am
D.D and Rook honestly got better chances. Would love to see either of them so Ingrid can stop being lonely about being the only one that stuck around.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 23, 2013, 02:38:27 am
Part of me want the 5th character to be Death from CFAS. Unlike DD or Rook, he was never shown in gameplay nor do we know how he looks like outside of an outline. Shit, in that game he planted a bomb somewhere within Metro City that would wipe out the city entirely, which is why Haggar sent out a crack team of... friends? In order to save the city, find the bomb and attack interlopers. And technically, this could be Death's first outing in a (finished) fighting game.
Plus he's owned by Capcom like Ingrid and the rest sooooooo...
This is a HUUUUUUUUUGE fuckin' stretch but by "hardcore fans might get hype", the guys at Capcom could've meant an indirect resurrection?
I actually agree. A better name than "Death" would be nice but I have far too huge of a boss/villain fetish to care. Let's make it happen Cappycom....please?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on August 23, 2013, 02:56:54 am
When they give you another Dhalsim, I want to see how many times you actually use it. I WANT YOU TO COUNT HOW MANY TIMES.
LOL Dhalsim sucks, he's the worst SFIV character (As in boring). I used Hakan a fuckton of times though, the AE2012 buffs were totally needed to make him more playable. Not sure who else can be considered "weird" in the Roster but I can use most of the characters without problems, mainly anything past SFII A.K.A. the boring chars.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Ness on August 23, 2013, 03:03:36 am
Sakura's friend, Ingrid, or Haggar would've been the people I would've like to have seen. '
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on August 23, 2013, 03:19:02 am
Some Street Fighter EX would be cool to have return.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on August 23, 2013, 03:22:37 am
Stop posting.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Ness on August 23, 2013, 03:27:42 am
I didn't see that the thread was locked, from what the page hinted it would be someone from a cancelled game, so I was saying those would be cool to see, however I also noted that it would be someone that has yet to appear in a SF game, so I mean ... I can't comment my opinion in a thread like this ... or what?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 23, 2013, 03:31:46 am
don't worry, he is most likely referring to doritosmary.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: KaosBreaker on August 23, 2013, 05:42:07 am
The EX guy needs to quit hating and let capcom use the characters. I want Kairi, Skullomania, or Garuda
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: megaman_zer0 on August 23, 2013, 06:08:47 am
im sure they will let capcom use the characters if they wanted to. not sure if capcom is willing to pay the licencing fees though or even wants to ruin the timeline with the EX characters.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on August 23, 2013, 06:53:00 am
The EX guy needs to quit hating and let capcom use the characters. I want Kairi, Skullomania, or Garuda
I cannot begin to inform you how stupidly uninformed that post was.
Thankfully zer0 covered that. Though as for timelines, we've already confirmed several pages ago that every SF installment has its own canon so it's really just over licensing. Then it goes on to shit like seiyuu/CV royalties associated to the characters themselves and how that extra money could possibly bite them in the ass someday, among a multitude of other things that make taking things from a Japan-developed game made by another party incredibly complicated.
tl;dr, one word: JASRAC.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 23, 2013, 07:27:50 am
The EX guy needs to quit hating and let capcom use the characters. I want Kairi, Skullomania, or Garuda
I cannot begin to inform you how stupidly uninformed that post was.
Thankfully zer0 covered that. Though as for timelines, we've already confirmed several pages ago that every SF installment has its own canon so it's really just over licensing. Then it goes on to shit like seiyuu/CV royalties associated to the characters themselves and how that extra money could possibly bite them in the ass someday, among a multitude of other things that make taking things from a Japan-developed game made by another party incredibly complicated.
tl;dr, one word: JASRAC.
Fortunately for you, I wont be getting this cash grab. Whenever you want to have a discussion with me like a man... lets do it on the battlefield... Battlefield 3 that is. Tekken revolution or SFTSO would be good alternatives also
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Trinitronity on August 23, 2013, 10:44:13 am
Fortunately for you, I wont be getting this cash grab. Whenever you want to have a discussion with me like a man... lets do it on the battlefield... Battlefield 3 that is. Tekken revolution or SFTSO would be good alternatives also
You can't be serious.
Shwa's post is accurate. If you disagree with him, then prove him wrong. Don't try and drag him into a dick measuring contest.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on August 23, 2013, 10:59:23 am
Fortunately for you, I wont be getting this cash grab. Whenever you want to have a discussion with me like a man... lets do it on the battlefield... Battlefield 3 that is. Tekken revolution or SFTSO would be good alternatives also
What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Other than proving how you're extremely ignorant when it comes to the SFEX franchise (And does it even matter if you're not getting the game? Why are you even checking this thread?)
And good job challenging people only to measure e-penis (And BF3? Seriously?)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Trinitronity on August 23, 2013, 11:04:38 am
Meh, never was a fan of any of the BF installments. But then again, I find war games in general rather boring...
But can we go back on topic now, please?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on August 23, 2013, 11:06:58 am
not really a lot to do other than to question what could possibly be the hard thing about implementing talbain.
..maybe a transforming ultra where he swaps his model with his wolf model?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: KaosBreaker on August 23, 2013, 11:16:45 am
Fortunately for you, I wont be getting this cash grab. Whenever you want to have a discussion with me like a man... lets do it on the battlefield... Battlefield 3 that is. Tekken revolution or SFTSO would be good alternatives also
You can't be serious.
Shwa's post is accurate. If you disagree with him, then prove him wrong. Don't try and drag him into a dick measuring contest.
ok... my stupidity ends with that last post.
Now, I do have interest in this game, but I doubt I'll be getting it. I enjoyed SSFAE... up until playing the tryhards online. I'm also curious as to who the last person is. I haven't read the whole thread either.
I'd love to see Alex make a return. I know he was in TvC, but I think he'd fit in well. I wonder how they'd implement characters like Birdie or Sodom from the alpha series
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on August 23, 2013, 11:20:28 am
The fifth character has never been playable in an FG before. Jesus christ people try reading things.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on August 23, 2013, 11:29:03 am
The hints so far : - New to the Street Fighter franchise - An earlier hint specified it would be his fighting game debut, but a more recent interview seems to have dropped that detail to reword it back to "new to Street Fighter" - Fits just perfect in the Street Fighter universe - Gamers will get hype - Could still be switched to a girl, implying it might not be an established character with a definite gender, but that might have been just a joke - "A Capcom character" doesn't specify if it's a brand new character they never showed up until now, or if it's someone we know from another game/franchise. Latest interview also refused to answer that very question. - R&D have been wanting to do him for a while. I'm not sure if that means a brand new system (like Gill was) or if R&D also makes random designs and his system is nothing special.
DD or Rook from the canceled CFAS would be a good fit. The ANN interviewer seemed to want to ask the same thing too (namedropping CFAS) but refrained, although the rewording of "fighting game debut" could be considered suspicious.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on August 23, 2013, 11:35:17 am
you are just missing It’s a character that R&D was thinking about for some time and wanted to bring to fruition.
that implies its not something they just come up with now and wanted to do for a while, more specifically someone that took research and development time, so its not something technically simple.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on August 23, 2013, 11:39:19 am
Yeah, I was just adding it, but I'm not sure R&D doesn't just do random designs and it's just something they liked, without it being a brand new system like Gill's resurrection and color switching (left/right side and shine). Does their R&D only do new concepts like that ? It could also be because they wanted to finish CFAS, and including DD back in SF would be a way for them to wrap it up (and maybe they're implementing some complex CFAS mechanic we didn't see). So far I'm not taking it as a definitive hint that he has a complex system. Hell, Hakan's oil and Juri's eye super could be considered to fit what you say, so I'm not hanging on to that.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on August 23, 2013, 11:42:23 am
in code terms R&D would be in charge of something they hadnt been able to do before with the engine, , something like dhalsim stretchy arms would be something to RD, so would hakan fluid use. They have talked before about the design team so I doubt they are the same thing.
I consider someone like Fei long to be easy to develop once they have fire animations developed to play properly for instance, but a dhalsim o zangief required them to develop better rigging and measures anti clipping first.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on August 23, 2013, 11:46:15 am
Then it can still be DD if he has a mechanic involving lightning charges or his title of Code Holder or something :P His chances say I'm not giving up on him yet.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on August 23, 2013, 11:47:18 am
also: I was joking about talbain body swapping, although it was one of the things they complained about before, low memory for model transition making darkstalkers hard to adapt to this engine. That kind of stuff however would fit R&D, finding a way to do model transformation.
Theres no reason DD cant be the char btw, im just pointing out that R&D implies there was something special going on =P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on August 23, 2013, 11:50:12 am
Yeah, no worry, I know you weren't saying it's not him. I just want him. Model transition makes sense (like the Seth alt on fire that people suspected was a POC for Pyron, as were Jin's wings in his SFxTK super) but it can't be Darkstalkers, they wouldn't have said "fighting game debut" (even if I think they tried to retract it in the ANN interview)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on August 23, 2013, 11:52:01 am
D: I didnt see jin wings or seth poc for pyron, I find both of those very interesting. They would have pushed that engine a bit if the fire was dynamic instead of animated in a fixed manner.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on August 23, 2013, 04:21:02 pm
also: I was joking about talbain body swapping, although it was one of the things they complained about before, low memory for model transition making darkstalkers hard to adapt to this engine. That kind of stuff however would fit R&D, finding a way to do model transformation.
Theres no reason DD cant be the char btw, im just pointing out that R&D implies there was something special going on =P
yeah, but that something can be something really, really simple from the 2d games ( or other genre ) that is difficult to translate to 3d. though with that info we can rule out stuff that has already been in a 3d capcom game, so morrigan is out, but not demitri,maybe they can't animate his cape, or the midnight bliss gives them the finger because they can't justify creating new models, etc...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on August 23, 2013, 05:06:17 pm
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on August 23, 2013, 05:52:50 pm
its true tho :( (sadly enough)
this is why i hate falcoon. also a pessimist shithead know-nothing would say some dumb shit like "c. viper already has dd's moves so he wouldnt even make sense)
i just hope that pessimist shithead know-nothing doesnt work at fucking capcom cuz i like dd
i also dont see him being the 5th man because capcom wants to bleed haggar dry a little bit more #prayimwrong
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on August 23, 2013, 06:13:11 pm
Haggar was Seth Killian's guess, but he was deconfirmed in name (more than the "first fighting game appearance" hint).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on August 23, 2013, 06:19:38 pm
the big challenge for R and D is going to be his pipe and some chicken summoning moves and we are all going to cringe.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on August 23, 2013, 06:26:58 pm
what if the 5th char is... you. YOU fit perfectly into street fighter because you freakin love street fighter. gamers will get hype at the thought of playing as themselves. it will be a new character with new moves but you can fully customize his or her look and name. you can also select a voice. you can buy new clothes through microtransactions. this is living.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Mgbenz on August 23, 2013, 06:28:24 pm
Ace from SFEX3?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on August 23, 2013, 06:30:00 pm
no
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on August 23, 2013, 06:32:56 pm
"Iced imports character from ps home"
wait, my ps home avatar is ryu
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on August 23, 2013, 06:34:18 pm
Combot from TTT2 more or less.
A lot more customization stuff is possible. Would not be fun against such a character online though if you don't know his moves (except for casual players who don't care anyway)
But beside that...won't happen...too much development work for capcom and only small budgets possible for something like SF.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on August 23, 2013, 06:37:57 pm
i never said the moves would be customizable, only the physical appearance to a point that doesn't affect hitboxes
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on August 23, 2013, 08:16:46 pm
It would be pretty rad though, if you think about it.
It could be done in a point based system, kinda like the EX Grooves in CVS2, or World Tour mode in SFA3 where you sacrifice Defense in order to have more Attack. It's like Guile and Dee Jay, they're both Charge characters, but Deejay has twice as many specials and in exchange Guile has that solid defense and offense. Same for other characters with ranged fireballs in exchange for more mobility.
Under certain guidelines, it could work.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 地獄の花 on August 23, 2013, 08:35:38 pm
a custom character ei? it's not a bad idea it'll be like rival school custom character mode.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on August 24, 2013, 05:52:44 am
Or like the Ace system in SFEX3, but probably a little less broken.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on August 24, 2013, 06:29:12 am
a customizable move system would be a pain in the ass to deal with in online let alone tournaments
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on August 24, 2013, 06:31:43 am
It wouldn't be possible. People would go right for overpowered moves or infinites like with Mortal Kombat: Armageddon. Wouldn't take long to find and people would post them all online.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on August 24, 2013, 03:07:14 pm
It would be possible. They said they were adding new modes too, meaning they could have a custom character battle mode. And if it's anything like ACE, you wouldn't have any powerful moves at the start, they were all a little below average and had to be levelled up to be great. For those of you that haven't played sfex3, ace could only get new moves by completing trials, and could only level up those moves by hitting opponents with them, but only in arcade mode.
Also if everybody is OP, doesnt it balance out?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on August 26, 2013, 12:14:19 pm
no matter how much the try hard to balance the game , there always gana be characters that are better to play with then others
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 26, 2013, 12:24:24 pm
Well that's just a given with any fighter. SF4 has been pretty good about the balance especially when you have retarded fucking characters like Cammy not making it to top 8 at Evo and GEN winning the whole thing, so I think Ono's team has a good idea of what they're doing here.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on August 26, 2013, 05:20:20 pm
The hints so far : - New to the Street Fighter franchise - An earlier hint specified it would be his fighting game debut, but a more recent interview seems to have dropped that detail to reword it back to "new to Street Fighter" - Fits just perfect in the Street Fighter universe - Gamers will get hype - Could still be switched to a girl, implying it might not be an established character with a definite gender, but that might have been just a joke - "A Capcom character" doesn't specify if it's a brand new character they never showed up until now, or if it's someone we know from another game/franchise. Latest interview also refused to answer that very question. - R&D have been wanting to do him for a while. I'm not sure if that means a brand new system (like Gill was) or if R&D also makes random designs and his system is nothing special.
violent or evil ken is a serious possibility (http://gameplot.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/evil-ryu-and-evil-ken.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on August 27, 2013, 10:52:14 am
- An earlier hint specified it would be his fighting game debut, but a more recent interview seems to have dropped that detail to reword it back to "new to Street Fighter"
Well, scratch half of what I just said. :sweatdrop:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on August 27, 2013, 10:56:39 am
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on August 27, 2013, 10:57:28 am
It will be fucking Ono in a chun li costume, i tell ya.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on August 27, 2013, 10:58:09 am
Ken is one of their most popular characters, add another ken and you get "hype". In the same vein as they thought they would get hype over evil ryu and oni.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on August 27, 2013, 11:18:23 am
They never said we would get hype over them. Hell, all they did was show an image with the side of their faces and nothing until the hack of the arcade machines. Violent/Evil Ken is dumb and a dumb suggestion just here to make fun of the evil alternates, sry.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on August 27, 2013, 11:20:00 am
And that suggestion has been done more than twice already.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on August 27, 2013, 11:23:50 am
They never said we would get hype over them. Hell, all they did was show an image with the side of their faces and nothing until the hack of the arcade machines. Violent/Evil Ken is dumb and a dumb suggestion just here to make fun of the evil alternates, sry.
making two characters alternate evil versions of their normal counterparts as being half of a whole update kinda makes it seem like they thought fans would be excited over this. I dont think they would do a four player character update with characters they thought wouldnt be appealing for the fans. It isnt even a case of "cheaper to do this" as all the oni and ryu models are vey different from their usual ones.
I think someone inside capcom believes those evil chars make fans "hype"
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on August 27, 2013, 11:34:22 am
Because they do, at least with casual fans they do. I was definitely excited for Oni until I saw how awful he was.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on August 27, 2013, 03:05:19 pm
Evil Ken talk - When the alternate costumes were being designed, there's a piece of artwork of Brainwashed Ken with Dictator bracelets, so... it could happen.
"Is it a coincidence that my phone is giving me the time and weather in New York, rather than the San Francisco information it should be displaying, smack during New York Comic Con? Yes. Speaking of things not working correctly, Capcom's Senior Product Manager, Matt Dahlgren, speaking to EventHubs, said that "Ultra Street Fighter IV is not where it should be at this point."
Accordingly, the fighter isn't playable at New York Comic Con, nor should you expect any new information, like character reveals. Whether or not this pushes the game back beyond its "early 2014" window remains to be seen."
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on October 12, 2013, 01:05:03 pm
my guess that the new 5th character would be named Cain.
yes I said that.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: videoman on October 12, 2013, 01:23:49 pm
So we be in the dark on any new info on the game until next year. Since they don't have the resources they won't any Street Fighter for the PS4 or the XBONE thanks Capcom (other than Deep Down and Dead Rising whatever).
I guess if I'm lucky in 2015 they will add the characters that I want or make a new Street Fighter IV Super Ultra Arcade edition for the PS4 which not happening any time soon!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on October 12, 2013, 01:26:55 pm
It's not as simple as just "make the game be on PS4" and furthermore it would be stupid as fuck to try and port an old game to the PS4 instead of taking advantage of the new hardware.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Markpachi on October 12, 2013, 01:48:56 pm
I think he was just kidding about the Super Ultra SFIV.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: videoman on October 12, 2013, 01:59:42 pm
Yes I am kidding. I still have the game but haven't touch in months. I would be better for them to make Street Fighter V for the next generation game systems!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on October 12, 2013, 02:07:02 pm
Cant wait for this, ssf4 still gets a ton of use everytime i have friends over.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Zetsuməi on October 12, 2013, 03:22:58 pm
My guess on the new character is Ken from SF 2010.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Segatron on October 12, 2013, 06:25:40 pm
What if its fiona from the haunted ground or whatever that horror game was
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Markpachi on October 12, 2013, 06:36:19 pm
What if it's SAWADA!?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: HuedPhoenix on October 12, 2013, 06:54:44 pm
what if it was gene from god hand?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Erroratu on October 12, 2013, 06:56:03 pm
What if it is i dont fucking know this is dumb
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on October 12, 2013, 06:56:55 pm
What if the game would be cancelled?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on October 12, 2013, 07:18:20 pm
I realize I'm in the gross minority here but I actually would rather just have the character updates because I don't think SF4 needs any more characters. Too many characters and you end up with a mess like MVC2.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: videoman on October 13, 2013, 01:45:55 am
I realize I'm in the gross minority here but I actually would rather just have the character updates because I don't think SF4 needs any more characters. Too many characters and you end up with a mess like MVC2.
To me It doesn't matter how many characters are in what matters to me is who is in the roster.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 地獄の花 on October 13, 2013, 02:29:34 am
sheng long.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on October 13, 2013, 02:33:53 am
Too many characters and you end up with a mess like MVC2.
:pwn:
Whaaaa!? I feel that MvC2 was Capcom's 2D Versus Series sendoff; they amassed all of their 2D sprite work before they lost their Marvel Liscence. I do see your point though, but I wouldn't call it a mess.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on October 13, 2013, 03:22:23 am
nah that game was definitely a mess
there was so much inconsistency with the sprites because some were created almost a decade before others were
and as far as balancing goes...theres a reason there were really only 4 characters that toppled of all others aka god tier
add in cap commmandos ridiculous assist, striders ridiculous ouroboros traps and psylocke and doctor dooms...everything plus infinites for most characters and you have a mess of a game
but i fucking love it and its a darling game in my paricular vicinity and farther east so theres that
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on October 13, 2013, 03:23:03 am
I mostly just don't want to learn 5 more matchups lol. I already have to relearn a bunch because of significant character changes.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on October 13, 2013, 04:01:37 am
there was so much inconsistency with the sprites because some were created almost a decade before others were
and as far as balancing goes...theres a reason there were really only 4 characters that toppled of all others aka god tier
add in cap commmandos ridiculous assist, striders ridiculous ouroboros traps and psylocke and doctor dooms...everything plus infinites for most characters and you have a mess of a game
but i fucking love it and its a darling game in my paricular vicinity and farther east so theres that
Very well said. I concur. :mmhmm:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Fisher King on October 13, 2013, 04:06:28 am
Whaaaa!? I feel that MvC2 was Capcom's 2D Versus Series sendoff; they amassed all of their 2D sprite work before they lost their Marvel Liscence. I do see your point though, but I wouldn't call it a mess.
MvC2 IS a huge mess balance wise and with pretty much everything Nero said. What saves the game is that is so goddamn fun, very lovely for a lot of people and gonna agree in the fun factor.
For the record, it is possible to win without the 4 (Magneto, Storm, Sentinel, Cable) with the others Cap. Commando, Cyclos or Psylocke ridiculous assists but you really need to work your ass to even kill one of them.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on October 13, 2013, 05:22:10 am
AE2012 has enough characters as is... It's understandable why they would put the four from SFxT, but the game is bloated enough. Also, most of those characters would then have to be in SF5 or Alpha 4 or whatever so it's not seen as an "incomplete" game.
Agreed with MvC2 being saved by how fun it is... of course it wouldn't work with Street Fighter for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Ness on October 13, 2013, 08:35:36 am
I'm wondering about little things, maybe different lifebar, hitsounds, hitsparks, something like that ... I saw the trailer, everything looks the same but as I recall with the 3 iterations of SF3, I think they changed stuff every time, just curious if that were to happen how people would react?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on October 13, 2013, 08:38:48 am
NG and 2I were pretty much the same with the lifebars and whatnot. Only 3S really had any change iirc.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [SX] on October 13, 2013, 11:30:17 am
Why the copyright is blurry ? :inquisitive: http://www.capcom.co.jp/blog/sf4/saikyo_blog/2013/10/04_7529.html
Retsu ? or just old artwork with no meaning (http://s22.postimg.org/fc6c3dc4t/14_25thartbook06.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/fc6c3dc4t/)
March 2014 is too far !
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on October 13, 2013, 11:37:51 am
I've never seen that before and Google reverse image search brings up nothing. It does have Hugo and Elena on it....ohhh shit I think Capcom fucked up lol.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on October 13, 2013, 11:40:41 am
It doesn't look consistent with the SF4 aesthetic tho, unless they're changing it
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on October 13, 2013, 11:42:29 am
The google reverse image search is a joke.
A pretty bad one and reason why i always put in the name of the artists in an image file i am uploading and also add links to them if i post something in forums.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on October 13, 2013, 11:45:19 am
Either way it's pretty strange that Retsu, a character who has only been in one game and NEVER playable, is displayed prominently among all of the other characters who are ALL in Ultra SF4, including the characters being added. It's definitely fishy.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on October 13, 2013, 11:48:03 am
Adding Retsu there was most likely meant as a joke by the artist.
Since the image seems to be in the SF 25th Anniversary Art Book from last year, maybe there are some artist notes in the book? Does someone here has that one and can look it up?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on October 13, 2013, 12:38:15 pm
whoever the fifth char is they had already said it was someone they planned to add before, so who knows
that looks like shinkiro, is that shinkiro?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on October 13, 2013, 12:54:04 pm
Yup its made by Shinkiro http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2012/dec/14/japanese-street-fighter-25th-anniversary-art-book-sample-images/
This artwork was probably made in summer 2012 already
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on October 13, 2013, 01:38:38 pm
so no Cain ?
oh well, maybe for SFV if they ever decided to make it
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on October 13, 2013, 01:41:50 pm
Retsu is not the fifth character. But either way it should be someone we know or heard of before, it's not too likely to be a brand new character (well they haven't said it outright, but they've been hinting at it strongly), so he's probably not called Cain either.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Markpachi on October 13, 2013, 04:23:01 pm
Shinkiro's art style is so fuckin' sexy. Has anyone found the original, clear copy of the image?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on October 13, 2013, 04:36:59 pm
It's not Retsu; the appearance is similar, but it's not him.
Could be Gou... I know Udon drew him with hair, but that isn't going to stop Capcom from designing him the way they want. When Capcom drew him he was just a darker Dan with a Tengu mask and a halo (obviously they wouldn't make him look like that).
In any case, it would certainly be a convenient way to rehash the shoto-style once more (somewhat odd considering that Gou was a Mixed Martial Artist and Saikyo-ryu didn't exist yet).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on October 13, 2013, 04:47:58 pm
Shinkiro's art style is so fuckin' sexy. Has anyone found the original, clear copy of the image?
There isn't one. That image was provided by Capcom as sample image to promote the art book and it seems that someone with a good scanner would have to scan the printed version since neither shinkiro or capcom want to share it online =(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on October 13, 2013, 05:13:53 pm
There isn't one. That image was provided by Capcom as sample image to promote the art book and it seems that someone with a good scanner would have to scan the printed version since neither shinkiro or capcom want to share it online =(
Well, that kinda sucks. And wow, O just noticed that Chun-li's doing a pantsu shot. That Granny fanservice right there.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Websta on October 13, 2013, 07:18:02 pm
Chun-Li doesn't wear any panties brah.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeckFace on October 14, 2013, 05:23:06 am
... But she does. Or are you thinking of those brief panties or something? Wouldn't blame ya if the word "pantsu" is being tossed around.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on October 19, 2013, 05:34:25 am
Well, well, we're finally going to show you THAT next week. I believe that everyone will yell AAAH! in surprise once we unveil it. Sorry for keeping you waiting so long!
Ready for Gene.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: UrbaneVirtuoso on October 19, 2013, 05:44:30 am
Inb4colemacgrath. :mmhmm:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 19, 2013, 05:44:47 am
disregarding the hype, it must be the new character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on October 19, 2013, 04:41:04 pm
Or the new modes they said they were going to add...A lot of people were hype about "Championship Mode" whatever that is.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on October 19, 2013, 10:07:29 pm
I want that merch!! Those Vega/Bison and Guile tees are awesome!!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: videoman on October 19, 2013, 11:30:31 pm
As long that fifth character is not a generic stereotype with a crappy voice.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Also Karin should be at least DLC since she won that poll! Dam Capcom and their stupid copyrights!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on October 19, 2013, 11:41:39 pm
Just as a reminder:
Quote
The Fifth Character:
has never been featured in a Street Fighter game prior to USF4
is making their fighting game debut with USF4
will be a good fit for the SF universe
will get people hype
is not on peoples' radar
is not Asura from Asura's Wrath
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 20, 2013, 01:15:43 am
you know those bullets are fun because they are outdated. the second and five ones were already deconfirmed in a later interview and 4 is very subjective.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on October 20, 2013, 01:27:17 am
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the second and five ones were already deconfirmed in a later interview
First I'm hearing of those. Source?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on October 20, 2013, 01:30:09 am
First and second were debunked together actually, it just ended up being "Playable debut in a Street Fighter game." According to Byakko, IIRC. S'been a long time so fuzzy memory.
EDIT: That too. -------v
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 20, 2013, 01:31:30 am
Quote
You've said that this character was never before playable in a Street Fighter game or any other fighting game, right?
Dahlgren: They're brand new to the Street Fighter franchise.
for point 4 it's harder to get a source as it was on a random interview about them being surprised with all the characters the fans have said and that they already said which one anyway, which makes a lto of sense since it's a lot fo people making crazy guesses.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on October 21, 2013, 12:18:22 am
EDIT: gdi drewski
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: drewski90 on October 21, 2013, 12:22:39 am
Nothing will change, SF4 will always be an ass game.
Play Real Bout Fatal Fury 2.
played it and it was nostalgic, but what r u a street fighter hater or do u not like the fact that street fighter IV takes place between street fighter II and street fighter III?
He doesn't like the fact that SF4 takes place between RB2 and the games he likes but anyone barely plays with him, and other good games that people like a lot but he doesn't.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on October 21, 2013, 12:30:39 am
God damn it, I thought there were news related to the 5th character...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on October 21, 2013, 12:45:16 am
Should be next week or something. Unless Ayano is trolling us and his "THAT" isn't the fifth character at all.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on October 21, 2013, 01:02:11 am
5th character is god hand
as in godhand from ehrgeiz due to namco partnership and square-abandoned IP
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on October 21, 2013, 02:14:42 am
I really want Capcom to be like "We lied, it's Asura." I wasn't even able to dream.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kasumi1030 on October 21, 2013, 02:35:53 am
In Ultra SF IV. the player will have the new ability to have a slower delayed get up. you hold foward+ fierce when laying on the ground.
You will have two choices now with ULTRA uses:
choice 1 - you have the use of one ultra at 100% damage based on how much the bar is full. choice 2 - you have the ability to use both ultras, damage is around 66% based on how much the bar is full.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SlenderMan on October 21, 2013, 02:37:00 am
I'm still waiting to see a port of SSF4 Arcade Edition or otherwise for PS Vita. That OLED screen is beautiful. I also wonder if Oni, Evil ryu and such will still be in or not. I hope so. I'd love to see some of the 12 dolls or Charlie make it. Rolento is a plus for me though. I've always liked his moves.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on October 21, 2013, 02:39:48 am
I'd love to see some of the 12 dolls or Charlie make it.
Dude, I'd shit my pants if Decapre officially made it in. The only valid argument is that she is essentially Cammy with Vega's claw and mask, so chances are nothing at all for this. Still though, imagine that!!
I'll just stick with her Mugen iteration and call it a day. ;D
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on October 21, 2013, 02:40:59 am
As a Claw player I think if they gave Cammy's dumbass divekick, easy stun combos and braindead vortex to a character with his normals I would never need to touch another character in all of SF.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on October 21, 2013, 05:06:50 am
Kasumi did you just make that thing about the delayed wake-up? 'cus that's a stupid input. And I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but the bit about the ultras is already in-game... I personally feel that what that game needs is more supers, not more ultras, and that they should be available at all times (I.E. no "pick one before the match and hope it's a good choice" bullcrap)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kasumi1030 on October 21, 2013, 05:45:31 am
You will be able to use both ultra's in a match now if you choose that option. or just use one ultra still like the game curently is. If you end up enabling both ultras to use in a match, the damage is really weak. like 60% from the normal damage it would do from if you only had access to one ultra. the delayed getup thing is still being tested. you guys will hear about this stuff later soon.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Ness on October 21, 2013, 06:50:08 am
I have a feeling no matter who the new character is people are going to hate it at first, and eventually come to love it ...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Shakunetsu on October 21, 2013, 07:45:04 am
fact: capcom isn't solid on whatever they say clues or hints
example about the KO after hit theory why they removed it. it changes explaination after 1 year when combofiend re states the answer
so i wouldnt take those things they say about the fifth character seriously.
they are not consistent.
a.) capcom would just avoid haggar, alex and asura because they are popular early guesses and pick a character under the people radar like zenku, gouhibiki, tom, retsu or dorai.
b.) capcom would put nilin, cobra, gene or create cain and people would just deal with it.
c.) alternate form of another existing character in sf4 not evil ken because its popular guess but another nuisance character. just to make unexpected.
i hope capcom could just choose alex and disregard all the hint cause in the end they would just pick nuisance character and put interesting moveset on it to make it interesting to use but not hyping people unless its a rival school character to be a combo breaker choice it would be a joke id they put megaman or darkstalker character in it.
i hope they had awake up system like sf3 series!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on October 21, 2013, 07:59:14 am
In Ultra SF IV. the player will have the new ability to have a slower delayed get up. you hold foward+ fierce when laying on the ground.
You will have two choices now with ULTRA uses:
choice 1 - you have the use of one ultra at 100% damage based on how much the bar is full. choice 2 - you have the ability to use both ultras, damage is around 66% based on how much the bar is full.
Well, I find that good in some cases, but most people will gravitate more back to the regular choice.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on October 21, 2013, 08:10:13 am
Where did you get that info from?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on October 21, 2013, 10:23:51 am
Well, well, we're finally going to show you THAT next week. I believe that everyone will yell AAAH! in surprise once we unveil it. Sorry for keeping you waiting so long!
Ready for Gene.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on October 21, 2013, 10:58:53 am
There have been over 20 posts since SNT's post and yet we haven't heard anything about "THAT"
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on October 21, 2013, 11:20:29 am
It was Saturday and it said it would be next week, so of course we haven't heard anything yet. It's only Monday, the info is not out yet.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Basara Dandy on October 21, 2013, 03:33:41 pm
Well, well, we're finally going to show you THAT next week. I believe that everyone will yell AAAH! in surprise once we unveil it. Sorry for keeping you waiting so long!
Ready for Kyle Travers.
:dealwithit:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on October 21, 2013, 03:35:40 pm
char reveal in october, people going to say AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA , darkstalkers spooky character confirmed.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on October 21, 2013, 03:42:30 pm
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
(http://i.imgur.com/2bGX80Z.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on October 21, 2013, 03:46:41 pm
So it sounds like Capcom is trying to nerf the vortex characters by giving you more wakeup options. The double ultras are going to be kind of scary too, imagine Zangief knocking you down with full ultra, do you jump and get hit by U2? Stay on the ground and get hit by U1? It's beautiful, I love it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on October 21, 2013, 03:50:15 pm
Yeah, and wait until you see the new THIRD ultra for every character!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on October 21, 2013, 03:50:29 pm
I hope the two ultra thing is true, it was one of my main complaints , when you had a full ultra bar the opponent just had to worry about one attack, so they just had to avoid it. it made counter ultras useless.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 21, 2013, 05:27:17 pm
did not he get that info out of his ass ? never posted any sources that I noticed.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on October 21, 2013, 05:28:34 pm
You will be able to use both ultra's in a match now if you choose that option. or just use one ultra still like the game curently is. If you end up enabling both ultras to use in a match, the damage is really weak. like 60% from the normal damage it would do from if you only had access to one ultra. the delayed getup thing is still being tested. you guys will hear about this stuff later soon.
And yet, I have the feeling that it will indeed happen...
The wakeup change would reduce the effectiveness of vortexes & unblockables (and are reminiscent of CvS2). They would also add something to SF4's gameplay without altering it's identity.
And the choosing Ultras would spice up (a subjectively staling) game.
5th character will be from the canceled Darkstalkers 4.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on October 21, 2013, 05:39:43 pm
did not he get that info out of his ass ? never posted any sources that I noticed.
No man, it's true, my uncle works for Capcom. All legit info, even the super crappy wake up delay command nobody in their right mind would implement in any game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on October 21, 2013, 05:52:22 pm
Tactical Recovery (when your on the ground, hold all 3 punches)
Grooves with this: (C,S,P)
- This is usefull as a confusion move, if your opponent is the type who likes to send fireballs toward you as you start to get up you can use this to stay on the ground for an extra second and have a slower get up. Its mainly used as a confusion move and serves no real other purpose beside that.
Unless you really only mean the HP+MK command (I never use the forward+fierce names, did I get them right ?) but it doesn't seem as terrible as you're saying, so I don't get it. (I admit, I'm almost sure you do mean the input alone, but I just don't get what's so bad about it, and that's considering I'm not a hardcore stick player and I usually have a harder time with inputs)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on October 21, 2013, 05:54:34 pm
foot flies into mouth
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on October 21, 2013, 05:58:43 pm
I'm gonna laugh my ass off when all of that gets announced as true and you guys are here throwing out snark and insults at the guy.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on October 21, 2013, 06:02:11 pm
I think the tactical recovery would be poorly received (assuming all of this is true).
Players like the notion of "earning your setups." If the wakeup delay is static (with only 1 kind of delay, which it would most likely be), it wouldn't be too bad. If it's dynamic (timed by button release) it would be disastrous. Either way, it would negatively impact USF4's oki game.
I could see a split playerbase that (in the long run) prefers either USF4 or AE2012 (regardless of what changes are made).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on October 21, 2013, 06:11:12 pm
I'm gonna laugh my ass off when all of that gets announced as true and you guys are here throwing out snark and insults at the guy.
who are these "guys" throwing snark and insult? I only saw red reacting in a less trusting way even, everyone else started discussing about it. why are you painting it as if someone was feathering and tarring the guy
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 21, 2013, 06:12:01 pm
nah, kof has done that all the time and it's not a big deal,you get 2 or 3 differente wake up delays.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on October 21, 2013, 06:39:39 pm
Tactical Recovery (when your on the ground, hold all 3 punches)
Grooves with this: (C,S,P)
- This is usefull as a confusion move, if your opponent is the type who likes to send fireballs toward you as you start to get up you can use this to stay on the ground for an extra second and have a slower get up. Its mainly used as a confusion move and serves no real other purpose beside that.
Unless you really only mean the HP+MK command (I never use the forward+fierce names, did I get them right ?) but it doesn't seem as terrible as you're saying, so I don't get it. (I admit, I'm almost sure you do mean the input alone, but I just don't get what's so bad about it, and that's considering I'm not a hardcore stick player and I usually have a harder time with inputs)
That was me being dumb and confusing forward as a directional input rather than one of the buttons, I didn't realize that he was using the old SF2 basic attack names. Forward (As in a direction) plus a button would be a really dumb command :P
I'm gonna laugh my ass off when all of that gets announced as true and you guys are here throwing out snark and insults at the guy.
who are these "guys" throwing snark and insult? I only saw red reacting in a less trusting way even, everyone else started discussing about it. why are you painting it as if someone was feathering and tarring the guy
Are you saying that my uncle is not a Capcom employee???? >:C
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on October 21, 2013, 06:43:27 pm
That was me being dumb and confusing forward as a directional input rather than one of the buttons, I didn't realize that he was using the old SF2 basic attack names. Forward (As in a direction) plus a button would be a really dumb command :P
Oh LOL Yeah that makes a lot more sense.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on October 21, 2013, 09:44:17 pm
nah, kof has done that all the time and it's not a big deal,you get 2 or 3 differente wake up delays.
News to me, I never noticed. I know that the different lay-down states have different wake up frame-rates.
Kasumi was right (about the ULTRAs part)... Red focus attack included too. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=86873713&postcount=85) Also, apparently Mike Ross is in the know (http://i.imgur.com/EAdxuqY.png). :P
Still rumors at this point, but safe to say that these are true. Nothing about a "tactical recovery" yet, but I wouldn't doubt it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on October 21, 2013, 10:20:19 pm
I always had the impression that SSFIV was originally going to allow you to use both ultras due to the different commands they have (They never overlap), which throws you off sometimes because you're used to shinryuken being QCF+K but NOPE, it's QCF+PPP because it has to have the same command as his super from SFIV. It's the only reason why certain ultras just have retarded commands or "wrong" buttons being used. It was never an issue with SFIII :(
Isn't the red focus concept also a scrapped one for SUPER? I recall reading a lot of things about a new focus attack back then (People called it Tandem Focus or something like that) but that never made the cut in the released version.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on October 21, 2013, 10:28:50 pm
Also, apparently Mike Ross is in the know (http://i.imgur.com/EAdxuqY.png). :P
what the hell is that image
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on October 21, 2013, 10:38:46 pm
IRC channel.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on October 21, 2013, 10:43:16 pm
i figured it was part of a conversation but it's just http://i.imgur.com/wkPE3NY.png with mike ross added into a blank space when it could also be anyone else :???:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 21, 2013, 11:18:51 pm
News to me, I never noticed. I know that the different lay-down states have different wake up frame-rates.
it's probably different to what you are thinking, I was/am talking about how you can safe land instead of taking the full fall so p2 has to keep that in mind, kof11 has got a secondary safe landing too. safe landing happens very often in kof that the exception is not being able to do so.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: videoman on October 22, 2013, 12:25:24 am
Kickstater campaign for PS4 & XBONE I highly doubt it. Also I don't expect any big name video game companies to use Kickstater let alone indiegogo because they are to damm stubborn to use them. http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/oct/19/capcom-doesnt-have-resources-next-generation-fighting-game-currently-ono-responds-kickstarter-suggestion/
P.S. and no Vita version!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on October 22, 2013, 12:32:32 am
Why should we care if USF4 is a launch PS4/Xbone title?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on October 22, 2013, 12:35:24 am
the idea of a big name like capcom using kickstarter is disgusting and they shouldn't even consider it
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Hyogo on October 22, 2013, 12:44:01 am
If Capcom made a Kickstarter to actually produce a reasonable playable Megaman X or even Legends 3, I think people would go Apeshit for Donations.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: thor on October 22, 2013, 12:45:39 am
the idea of a big name like capcom using kickstarter is disgusting and they shouldn't even consider it
Why? What's so disgusting about a company without enough resources to make something starting a fundraiser? You can choose not to participate, nobody is forcing you to contribute.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: videoman on October 22, 2013, 12:51:49 am
It's not like they are not allowed to do it.
They can do what Square Einx is doing! http://www.siliconera.com/2013/10/08/square-enix-launches-crowdfunding-program-partnership-indiegogo/
the idea of a big name like capcom using kickstarter is disgusting and they shouldn't even consider it
Why? What's so disgusting about a company without enough resources to make something starting a fundraiser? You can choose not to participate, nobody is forcing you to contribute.
Well given Capcom's (very justified mind you) overwhelmingly negative recent PR it would be pretty funny to see them resort to using kickstarter to beg for money.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lith on October 22, 2013, 12:56:25 am
If Capcom made a Kickstarter to actually produce a reasonable playable Megaman X or even Legends 3, I think people would go Apeshit for Donations.
CANCELLED DUE TO I$$UE$ WITH THE HIGHER UP$ AND MONEY CONCERN$. THANK$ FOR PLAYING GUY$.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Fisher King on October 22, 2013, 12:59:03 am
Yeah, Megaman fans really like to get slapped.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on October 22, 2013, 01:00:13 am
Capcom resorting to kickstarter would be an utter embarrassment... isn't the point of being a corporation to obtain money through consumer sales? Asking the consumers for money out of goodwill doesn't define "big corporation." Besides, Capcom doesn't have much goodwill these days but people can have a surprisingly short memory, so whatever.
...I was/am talking about how you can safe land instead of taking the full fall so p2 has to keep that in mind, kof11 has got a secondary safe landing too..
Yeah I know about safe land... I thought you were saying that KoF had some form of tactical recovery. I didn't know XI had a second safe land though.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kamekaze on October 22, 2013, 04:12:07 am
People seem to forget capcom no longer has rights to Karin as a character. : \
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kasumi1030 on October 22, 2013, 04:42:27 am
If you guys knew me, you'd know I'm a very reliable source. Just Saiyan.
Super Saiyan Gohan 2 was best in Cell Saga. Buu Saga so bad. everyone jobs and gets overconfident and botches.
makes you wonder.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on October 22, 2013, 04:52:44 am
The only thing it makes me wonder is where you got your information from, and the fact that you don't say where even without posting sources makes you look really dumb regardless of whether or not you are right in the future.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on October 22, 2013, 04:54:48 am
A source was already posted in the form of that Neogaf thread. You should stop flame baiting, it makes you look like one of those vitriolic people who craves negative attention from seeking fights.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on October 22, 2013, 05:07:06 am
Probably referring to before then... personally I don't see the big deal. :-\
It was actually pretty fun.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
For future reference, Yar knows more than appearances would indicate.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on October 22, 2013, 05:11:30 am
Yeah, he's not known around here that much and most of us know him from somewhere else like IRC channels and whatnot so not many people will get when he's joking or being serious.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on October 22, 2013, 05:42:50 am
A source was already posted in the form of that Neogaf thread.
i dont think that thread really counts as a source (chat screencaps with blacked out names wow) unless the poster has a reputation, but how are we supposed to know just from that post.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Hyogo on October 22, 2013, 09:35:19 pm
A source was already posted in the form of that Neogaf thread.
i dont think that thread really counts as a source (chat screencaps with blacked out names wow) unless the poster has a reputation, but how are we supposed to know just from that post.
Well the phrase "Mike Ross thinks Honda is top tier" should imply that the user is on at least speaking terms with Ross, who has been given access to the game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on October 22, 2013, 09:46:05 pm
Maybe he means anyone could take the blacked out screencap and edit "Mike Ross" on it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on October 22, 2013, 10:04:31 pm
None of those images make anything official. I only posted them because no one on NeoGaf accused it of being a 'shop (even the one with the questionable Mike Ross print). For all we know, this could be some really good trolling. Nothing like this should ever be taken at face value...
http://i.imgur.com/ed57BHU.png
... but in this particular case, the writing is kind of on the wall.
Picture is about the silhouette of the 5th character (who is female based on the info in the image).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on October 22, 2013, 10:08:19 pm
Eliza, nuff' said.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on October 22, 2013, 10:10:20 pm
Looks like a dress to me.
SHIN INGRID CONFIRMED. LET'S CALL HER SHINGRID.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on October 22, 2013, 10:12:56 pm
Well the phrase "Mike Ross thinks Honda is top tier" should imply that the user is on at least speaking terms with Ross, who has been given access to the game.
1: what byakko said 2: i could also put together a chatlog that claims i spoke to mike ross and that he says nude haggar is the 5th character and that dhalsim can't breathe fire anymore
None of those images make anything official. I only posted them because no one on NeoGaf accused it of being a 'shop (even the one with the questionable Mike Ross print). For all we know, this could be some really good trolling. Nothing like this should ever be taken at face value...
http://i.imgur.com/ed57BHU.png
... but in this particular case, the writing is kind of on the wall.
Picture is about the silhouette of the 5th character (who is female based on the info in the image).
again, nothing here looks particularly difficult to replicate for faking purposes
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on October 22, 2013, 11:37:14 pm
If that "leak" is true ... so long Haggar :( hello generic unnamed female character :( :(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on October 22, 2013, 11:48:06 pm
Uh ? Haggar was deconfirmed long ago, even before Asura. As for the "generic unnamed female" well it's still supposed to be a character that fits very well in the SF universe and we're still supposed to recognize her...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on October 22, 2013, 11:48:31 pm
its a blob, it doesnt even have arms or heads or legs or whatever, for all anyone knows it could be the art where the characters go in front of.
I dont even see what makes it "female"
Also naming "contests" on capcom unity? There was never a time when anything done on capcom unity ended in a game. Why would they even go for naming contests there if we recognize her?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on October 22, 2013, 11:49:36 pm
it's still supposed to be a character that fits very well in the SF universe and we're still supposed to recognize her...
recognize her ... without a name? :S
Not very hype right now.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on October 22, 2013, 11:52:17 pm
Gouken's daughter is a go go
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on October 22, 2013, 11:53:34 pm
Its likely a fake, a shit fake at that. Even titiln fakes are better than that. They at least have effort. "blob on logo" is something I could do in five minutes.
Mc2 keeps defending all of those, maybe hes trying to pass on his bad edits like he did on the smash bros thread?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on October 22, 2013, 11:56:40 pm
Lol okay, you're gonna come at me with a ad hominem insult?
It's cool though, people who actually follow the FG scene know why all of that is legit while those of you that only know what you do from shitty Mugen chars will just be left in the dark. But when it's call confirmed legit you guys can just sit there with egg on your face like you always do. ;)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on October 22, 2013, 11:59:51 pm
Lol okay, you're gonna come at me with a ad hominem insult?
It's cool though, people who actually follow the FG scene know why all of that is legit while those of you that only know what you do from shitty Mugen chars will just be left in the dark. But when it's call confirmed legit you guys can just sit there with egg on your face like you always do. ;)
what ad hominem, you made bad edits on the smash bros thread. Do you know what an ad hominen is?
How is saying thats a bad edit and you are defending it something a TRUE FGC LIKE ME KNOWS BOUT ?
Get real dude, i said its a bad edit, i said it might even be one of yours, and you are trying to get mad because of TRUE FGC .
You just did that same song and dance two pages ago trying to bait with the whole "YOU ALL ON THIS GUY BUT HES GONNA BE RIGHT" and when I pointed out that only red even disagreed with him you went silent again. Whats the angle here? Post and run?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on October 23, 2013, 12:09:29 am
Lol okay, you're gonna come at me with a ad hominem insult?
It's cool though, people who actually follow the FG scene know why all of that is legit while those of you that only know what you do from shitty Mugen chars will just be left in the dark. But when it's call confirmed legit you guys can just sit there with egg on your face like you always do. ;)
I don't need to listen to the FGC idiots, my uncle works for Capcom.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on October 23, 2013, 12:13:12 am
i would've gladly taken "the posters involved here have a reputation and they're probably not fucking around with the pictures they're posting" for an answer instead of "YOURE NOT ELITE FGC YOU WOULDNT EVEN UNDERSTAND, GO BACK TO CRAP ASS MUGEN NOOBIE"
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: GOH on October 23, 2013, 12:13:57 am
So you're not going back to Mugen? :(
Fuck.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on October 23, 2013, 12:18:57 am
also your name is too long, its breaking some tables, reduce it to something manageable. ( the one you just switched on after your post )
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Person Man on October 23, 2013, 05:49:50 pm
Lol okay, you're gonna come at me with a ad hominem insult?
It's cool though, people who actually follow the FG scene know why all of that is legit while those of you that only know what you do from shitty Mugen chars will just be left in the dark. But when it's call confirmed legit you guys can just sit there with egg on your face like you always do. ;)
Come on, man. You've been warned enough about this. Is it really that difficult to not be a dick for no reason? We weren't kidding about that. See you in a few days.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Luis Alejandro on October 23, 2013, 10:54:31 pm
i guess well see if the rumors are true in a few days (http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/oct/23/ono-says-ultra-street-fighter-4-announcement-coming-within-next-few-days/)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: thor on October 24, 2013, 01:38:33 am
Lol okay, you're gonna come at me with a ad hominem insult?
It's cool though, people who actually follow the FG scene know why all of that is legit while those of you that only know what you do from shitty Mugen chars will just be left in the dark. But when it's call confirmed legit you guys can just sit there with egg on your face like you always do. ;)
Boys, we a connoisseur here! All hail MC Double, the great FG insider!
what ad hominem, you made bad edits on the smash bros thread. Do you know what an ad hominen is?
Some people don't know shit and use random words to make themselves appear smarter. The result is they end up making an even bigger fool of themselves. I find this kind of cute, the same way I find a retarded puppy cute.
Now this was an ad hominem.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on October 24, 2013, 02:48:02 am
We will probably get word on Friday morning....
Not trying to backseat mod, but that last post really wasn't necessary (considering it ended some time ago). Let's not make this shit bigger than it is.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Negi Springfield on October 24, 2013, 09:04:01 pm
Clearly it's Sakua's friend Kei who has returned for vengance. Plays like a mix of Sakua and Dan. Has Evil Ryu's ultras.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on October 24, 2013, 09:28:48 pm
If anything, there should be a zombie Ryu that has new stuff in his attacks, like his foot flying off during a spin kick, or him igniting himself during a Hadoken or something.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on October 24, 2013, 09:39:30 pm
isn't that what MUGEN is for? LOL
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Prototype God on October 24, 2013, 10:50:55 pm
We already have like 5 ryu's in the game tho. school girl ryu, old ryu, blond ryu, etc. We really don't need more.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on October 24, 2013, 10:54:14 pm
Gouken's moves aren't even remotely similar to the usual ones, and Sakura's also move pretty differently. You're barely looking at the names and declaring they're the same characters ? What is this, 1985 ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Prototype God on October 24, 2013, 10:57:59 pm
Jeez, you actually took that seriously? Yea, they are quite different that shits obvious.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nomechy on October 24, 2013, 10:58:54 pm
...then why did you say that in the first place?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Prototype God on October 24, 2013, 11:03:11 pm
damn, it's kuse they are pretty darn similar in function. Gouken i guess was a pretty bad example, but its been a while since i played sf. I believe those characters are referred to as "shotoclones"? The point is that having characters that can pull off tatsu's, regardless of their function, is pretty boring. Jeezus, lets just move on...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on October 24, 2013, 11:06:28 pm
Rose and Vega's master/mistress? That would be relevant to story and it would also explain why Dictator is not in SF3. Also, she/he hasn't been playable, but it's mentioned in canon. And Udon did a design of the character(who died, though!)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on October 24, 2013, 11:49:07 pm
I don't really mind about the new character. I just want to know what are they going to do with the old characters in terms of bufs/nerfs...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on October 25, 2013, 12:01:33 am
Hype pooper.
Who cares about balance patches we wantz more charas my wallet is ready
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on October 25, 2013, 12:11:45 am
If anything, there should be a zombie Ryu that has new stuff in his attacks, like his foot flying off during a spin kick, or him igniting himself during a Hadoken or something.
idk if youre serious or not, but i will chokeslam you thru the mfg floor
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on October 25, 2013, 03:17:40 am
(http://i.imgur.com/c4oNXTA.png) remember the picture with that blobby silhouette that most people discredited. well, i've obtained a leak revealing who it is - surprisingly enough it's not a female character, and there won't be a naming contest because this is an existing character. he hasn't been in street fighter before, but now he makes him debut.
(http://i.imgur.com/iUslBew.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lith on October 25, 2013, 03:19:41 am
lol
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Fisher King on October 25, 2013, 03:20:50 am
Hell yeah, Afro Violent Ken!!
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
I kind of wish that was true thought, hopefully...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on October 25, 2013, 03:24:53 am
I wonder why are they using a W instead of... well I have no idea how would I represent the gauge when a character has both ultras available.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
WULTRA
Ultra Wombo Combo?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on October 25, 2013, 03:32:25 am
Sadly for me I find not use in having both Ultras available (I main Dictator). I use Ultra II for projectile users mainly... And Ultra I for the rest and when I want damage.
If using both moves decrease the damage... Well. No use for me.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kasumi1030 on October 25, 2013, 03:39:45 am
I have more Capcom and fighting game news. But I won't post anymore cuz I don't want to be made fun. But you can believe I'm a reliable source. In case of future things. The game is behind schedule so is why things are coming so slowly. They're still working on the balancing. Combofiend being too optimistic. But Ken will finally be Good!.
Why the W? it's a reference to the Dreamcast port of SFIII With Impact. named SFIII Double Impact in USA. It contained both SFIII New Generation and 2nd Impact. Two in One.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lith on October 25, 2013, 03:48:19 am
Uh sure yeah
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Blackmore on October 25, 2013, 03:48:38 am
W is obviously for Wumbo. :U
But yeah, I'm rather curious as to why the W is really there.
Wonderful? Watery?
Wang Tang?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on October 25, 2013, 03:49:08 am
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on October 25, 2013, 03:50:12 am
i don't know why you're under the impression everybody made fun of your post when that wasn't the case. having said that, when someone goes around posting leaks it's kind of inevitable that someone will go "Haha yes and my uncle works at nintendo"
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MooMaster666 on October 25, 2013, 03:50:17 am
I just want to pop in here to say that Kasumi 1030 is a reliable source. I'm still gonna suplex him though. ):<
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lith on October 25, 2013, 03:51:01 am
Double U. Double Ultra?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Hyogo on October 25, 2013, 03:55:47 am
Even then, Ken would still be useless.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on October 25, 2013, 03:57:09 am
I wonder why are they using a W instead of... well I have no idea how would I represent the gauge when a character has both ultras available.
Final Fantasy 7 did the same thing, with a skill that let you use two items at once called W-Item. Maybe it's just because Japanese know the letter's called "double-U" in English and they just ignore the U part.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Ness on October 25, 2013, 04:46:32 am
No sure if I love it or hate it, won't keep me from playing though ...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on October 25, 2013, 04:49:51 am
Something I just noticed: no healthbars during the demo of Red Focus attacks. Is that going to take grey damage differently from regular FAs?
Also, is this news, THAT?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on October 25, 2013, 04:51:32 am
I know that the fifth character hasn't been revealed yet, but to leave them out of the promotional artwork has me just a little worried that it may be a lame or insignificant character.
...or maybe it'll turn out to be a super powerful character and they will just include a transparent over-sized headshot of him/her in the background like they do most evil characters after the reveal. I don't know. The poster is just weird to me right now, that's all. Posted: October 25, 2013, 04:55:18 am
Something I just noticed: no healthbars during the demo of Red Focus attacks. Is that going to take grey damage differently from regular FAs?
Also, is this news, THAT?
Look at the screen shots on the Japaneese website
http://www.capcom.co.jp/sf4/system.html
Makoto starts out with less then half Ultra meter, but gains a full meter after absorbing Ryu's super. She can even Ultra him after she focus crumples him.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on October 25, 2013, 05:22:52 am
Sagat's winning sound in CvS2 is a reference to SF1... wouldn't rule it out. Besides, Ono was involved in SFIII (working in the sound department anyway). (http://static.gamesradar.com/images/mb/GamesRadar/us/Other/Features/Top%207/2008-03-17%20SF%20win%20quotes/Screens/SF1--article_image.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on October 25, 2013, 06:03:01 am
That's really grasping at hairs (which Retsu doesn't have). Sagat is also from SF1 so his quote has no direct connection to any specific character from that game and I don't get how Ono working on on 3S's sound dept. has anything to do with a CvS2 sound clip.
Not saying he won't be in the game, I'm actually rooting for him, but I don't see the connection.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 地獄の花 on October 25, 2013, 06:09:18 am
5th character could be a new playable boss.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on October 25, 2013, 06:12:50 am
I was referring to the idea that the "W" thing came from SF3, and how using references from obscure titles is more common than people would believe.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on October 25, 2013, 06:22:24 am
Oh ok
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Cazaki on October 25, 2013, 06:26:52 am
The red focus attack should lead to some interesting moments, it will be overall ignored though until someone uses it properly in a tournament when in low health situations.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on October 25, 2013, 06:28:01 am
I was referring to the idea that the "W" thing came from SF3
But it's been used since forever in Japanese media.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on October 25, 2013, 06:32:02 am
so the W is either referencing a dreamcast port of sf3 or it's referencing W = double U = because you get two ultras
well i sure wonder which one it is!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kasumi1030 on October 25, 2013, 07:42:12 am
If you are wondering why I said Ken is good, it's because they buffed his walking speed, made crouching mk 5 frames the same as Ryu and Akuma now (so he can link crouching mp into crouching mk) and he got damage buffs on ultra. It now does a lot of damage with or without the cut scene for Shin Ryu Ken. It's damage is like when Cammy FADC'ed Canon Spike into Ultra 1.
They'll have to nerf Chun-Li too as currently her kikouken is as fast as Sonic Boom's recovery. So like you can actually shoot the kikouken now and follow up with a jump-in attack with it now.
The info I'm providing is the current build of the game. It may change later on.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on October 25, 2013, 08:24:18 am
The info I'm providing is the current build of the game. It may change later on.
I main Chun-Li in this game. I never had a problem with any of her Kikoukens actually. Where did you get this info from? Ah, they didnt need to buff her Kikouken, that thing is already good as it is! They should give her more health and damage buffs on her Ultra 1 and Ultra 2.
P.S. how you doing bruh? still playing DoA5? ;D I love DoA5 right now, don't care about SF4 as much as I used to. (even though I'm best at SF4 and CvS2)
Posted: October 25, 2013, 08:33:32 am So far I don't think this new Ultra W and Red Focus Attack looks too appealing.
I was enjoying jabbing and punishing people who were so trigger happy with their focus attacks.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on October 25, 2013, 08:45:39 am
Thats exactly the point...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on October 25, 2013, 09:11:17 am
(http://i.imgur.com/c4oNXTA.png) remember the picture with that blobby silhouette that most people discredited. well, i've obtained a leak revealing who it is - surprisingly enough it's not a female character, and there won't be a naming contest because this is an existing character. he hasn't been in street fighter before, but now he makes him debut.
(http://i.imgur.com/iUslBew.jpg)
awesome reveal, violent ken will be the best character.
Great news with the double ultra, getting more setups will make wonders for counter based ultras.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: drewski90 on October 25, 2013, 02:15:35 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/c4oNXTA.png) remember the picture with that blobby silhouette that most people discredited. well, i've obtained a leak revealing who it is - surprisingly enough it's not a female character, and there won't be a naming contest because this is an existing character. he hasn't been in street fighter before, but now he makes him debut.
(http://i.imgur.com/iUslBew.jpg)
awesome reveal, violent ken will be the best character.
Great news with the double ultra, getting more setups will make wonders for counter based ultras.
hasn't violent ken been in a fighting game before, because from what i've heard he was in svc chaos: snk vs. capcom, and unlike orochi iori when he screams all the time, violent ken speaks in sentences and screams too
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: videoman on October 25, 2013, 02:42:11 pm
I rater have a new character than a stupid evil clone of the same character. Also I wold like to see new moves for the existing characters.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on October 25, 2013, 02:48:58 pm
Sorry but we don't have the ressources for that!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on October 25, 2013, 02:58:55 pm
hasn't violent ken been in a fighting game before, because from what i've heard he was in svc chaos: snk vs. capcom, and unlike orochi iori when he screams all the time, violent ken speaks in sentences and screams too
not a capcom fighter.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: drewski90 on October 25, 2013, 03:01:36 pm
hasn't violent ken been in a fighting game before, because from what i've heard he was in svc chaos: snk vs. capcom, and unlike orochi iori when he screams all the time, violent ken speaks in sentences and screams too
not a capcom fighter.
right, he was an original
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on October 25, 2013, 03:04:44 pm
SNK based Violent Ken in how he appeared in the SFII Animated Movie when he got brainwashed by Dictator (except they gave him a white mini-afro to differ him from normal Ken).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Vegaz_Parrelli on October 25, 2013, 03:42:21 pm
Really...it's Violent Ken? I'm actually excited! Can't wait to see him versus Evil Ryu. There intro. His Ultras. Its gonna be epic!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Hyogo on October 25, 2013, 03:43:43 pm
Aww man, I was really hoping for Violin Ken.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on October 25, 2013, 03:53:16 pm
RED FOCUS costs 2 EX bars. In the Makoto example, RED FOCUS absorbs 100% Super Shinkuu Hadouken which costs 4 EX bars.
RED FOCUS is vulnerable to ARMOR CRUSH specials In Combofiend's video example, Ryu performs RED FOCUS at the cost of 2 EX bars, while Ken performs EX Tatsumaki which costs 1 EX bar and has ARMOR CRUSH properties ... and Ryu gets fucked.
THIS, MY FRIENDS, IS BULLSHIT.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on October 25, 2013, 04:03:07 pm
Isn't normal Tatsumaki an armor breaker move as well?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on October 25, 2013, 04:06:27 pm
No, it's not the same thing. You're thinking the regular multi-hit Armor Break.
There are moves that do Armor Break even on 1 hit, like (IIRC) EX Rising Jaguar among others.
Quote
Armor Break In the Street Fighter IV series, most characters have at least one Armor Break attack (such as M. Bison's Psycho Crusher or Guile's Flash Kick) with which to counter Super Armor. Moves with this property completely ignore Super Armor to deal damage. When a character with Super Armor is struck by an Armor-Breaking attack, there is a sound and a visual effect of glass shattering. The attack itself proceeds as normal.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on October 25, 2013, 04:11:31 pm
I'm pretty sure Tatsumaki has armor break property even if only one hit of it connects. Ryu's, for example, it only hits once and must have AB property.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on October 25, 2013, 04:19:01 pm
I'm pretty sure Tatsumaki has armor break property even if only one hit of it connects. Ryu's, for example, it only hits once and must have AB property.
Well, that's even worse then.
Hit Specials using no EX bar (I would understand Throw moves, like Ibuki's Neck Breaker) shouldn't go through a 2 EX Bar RED FOCUS! It's ridiculous.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on October 25, 2013, 04:20:02 pm
Most EX moves, supers and Ultras have armor break properties too. GG.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on October 25, 2013, 04:24:09 pm
They cost power bar though. I dunno, isn't it your fault for throwing a Red Focus on an Armor Break move ? Or at random, as well ? If you do a spontaneous Red Focus, the opponent just doesn't need to do anything, so you're kind of already supposed to throw Red Focus only when the opponent is performing a multi-hit, non-AB move in the first place. Don't throw random RF, just throw random regular Focus if you really need it. RF is clearly a response to supers and the likes, you shouldn't replace your regular Focus usage with a RF.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on October 25, 2013, 04:34:40 pm
if you do a tatsumaki on certain ultras it also breaks through them , thats a situational hazard, isnt it?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on October 25, 2013, 04:38:26 pm
Also isn't red focus unblockable on level 2 charge instead of 3? That's pretty fast.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Websta on October 25, 2013, 04:43:28 pm
They cost power bar though. I dunno, isn't it your fault for throwing a Red Focus on an Armor Break move ? Or at random, as well ? If you do a spontaneous Red Focus, the opponent just doesn't need to do anything, so you're kind of already supposed to throw Red Focus only when the opponent is performing a multi-hit, non-AB move in the first place. Don't throw random RF, just throw random regular Focus if you really need it. RF is clearly a response to supers and the likes, you shouldn't replace your regular Focus usage with a RF.
Super moves are rarely done since you'll be using your bar on exs. Unless Red Focus can block out ultras (not necessary all of them) I think it'll end up like the gem system in sfxt.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on October 25, 2013, 04:44:27 pm
Replace "supers and the likes" by "multi-hit EX moves and the likes", same difference. Any multi-hit fireballs, Tiger Uppercut, Spiral Arrow, you name it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on October 25, 2013, 06:29:29 pm
P.S. how you doing bruh? still playing DoA5? ;D I love DoA5 right now, don't care about SF4 as much as I used to. (even though I'm best at SF4 and CvS2)
I'll PM you on how I know this. but about DOA, ya definitely still play. I'm on xbox 360 and ps3. jump around.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on October 26, 2013, 12:04:15 am
Every special move has armor break properties when performed as a reversal (in the first frame you have control after waking up). Shoryukens are no exception. But no, in a regular situation Shoryukens don't break armor, although since the MP and HP variations are multi-hit in most cases they end up fucking FAs.
If the game lacked that mechanic it would be impossible to escape a meaty level 3 focus while waking up.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on October 26, 2013, 12:07:14 am
i thought backdashing on wakeup worked just as well
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on October 26, 2013, 12:15:35 am
That's a way, but not a universal way to escape those attacks. I don't have frame data on my head, but there are characters that can hit you right after the invulnerability frames of the backdash end because the active frames for the FA is bigger than the invuln. window.
I do that frequently with Makoto, and the people who backdashes end up twirling in the air.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on October 26, 2013, 05:09:19 pm
I hope it's not to late to get into AE2012 (who am I kidding it's Street Fighter it isn't too late).
Anyway, Ono announced that there is one more major system change to be made (no source yet other than a NeoGaf post (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=87535480#post87535480), and possibly his twitter for anyone who can read Japanese, but he was on stream in the Capcom Cup Qualifier in Taiwan, presumably he said it there)... delayed wake-up?
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Of course not, it's obviously Green Focus Attack. :P
Posted: October 26, 2013, 07:16:03 pm Just as I thought, it was said on the stream (http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/oct/26/new-system-mechanic-coming-ultra-street-fighter-4-outside-red-focus-and-double-ultras/)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [SX] on October 28, 2013, 04:55:01 pm
If the 5th character's is one the dolls ? :ninja:
Select your favorite fighter ? (previously unplayable Dolls)
Enero (January) Spain Février (February) France März (March) Germany Aprile (April) Italy Satsuki (May) Japan Santamu (August) Vietnam Jianyu (September) China Xiayu (October) China Noembelu (November) Mexico Decapre (December) Russia
damm capcom :grrr:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Shakunetsu on October 28, 2013, 05:09:42 pm
5th character wild guess...
fitting the black shadow on poster
ignoring all "it never been made into street fighter"
Sean
Cobra ( the prototype in sf4 )
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on October 28, 2013, 05:14:03 pm
A source at SRK said that someone in the know is using the word "palette swap" a lot. I don't know how seriously to take that, but considering what's already been put out there (and that we're talking about Capcom), I'm going to say that it's best to not get your hopes up...
That said, one of the dolls isn't outside the realm of possibility.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [SX] on October 28, 2013, 05:21:08 pm
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on October 28, 2013, 05:25:11 pm
the only origin for "female" was the flyer with the blob, which whoever uploaded went and deleted it themselves. It was the same exact source as "name decided by poll"
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on October 28, 2013, 05:25:41 pm
If it's a Doll, it better be the one with the mask.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on October 28, 2013, 05:28:41 pm
decapre would be really fuckin cool yeah
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on October 28, 2013, 05:30:29 pm
would fit the palette swap thing, since most people would look at her and think its just cammy.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [SX] on October 28, 2013, 05:31:34 pm
the only origin for "female" was the flyer with the blob, which whoever uploaded went and deleted it themselves. It was the same exact source as "name decided by poll"
may be a "new" doll with "new hairstyle" for HIDE palette swap
another source/rumor for doll : in French by Ken Bogard at 9:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwwNsZKJBeA
"Evil Cammy" like Decapre ?
damm capcom
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on October 28, 2013, 06:30:45 pm
About the new mechanic to still be unveiled, I read a lot about easier links. Please God, NO!
Anyways, sounds way too retarded to be a game-changing feature (and I don't consider it a real mechanic to begin with).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on October 28, 2013, 10:15:11 pm
I wanna see how they'll pull off this character roster situation.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Seadragon77 on October 28, 2013, 11:14:51 pm
I like the idea of having both Ultras at one time. It can really open up some new ideas for creating combos provided you don't mind the big drop in damage
Red Focus, on the other hand... I think it needs to be tested in action before I can get a better idea of what it's capable of. Yes, it has the same strengths and weaknesses of a regular Focus attack, but other then being able to take more damage, what else can it be good for?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on October 28, 2013, 11:25:08 pm
I don't really see how can having both Ultras give you more combos...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on October 28, 2013, 11:25:40 pm
I don't understand that concept of "opening up new ideas for combos". It's the same Ultras, and they can't be used one after the other if they still eat all of the Ultra gauge. The combos that can be done in W mode can only be the same ones that already exist (give or take the tweaks for Ultra). I've seen that wannabe statement a couple of times and it doesn't make a lick of sense. busted by Renzo.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on October 29, 2013, 01:34:00 am
I don't understand that concept of "opening up new ideas for combos". It's the same Ultras, and they can't be used one after the other if they still eat all of the Ultra gauge. The combos that can be done in W mode can only be the same ones that already exist (give or take the tweaks for Ultra). I've seen that wannabe statement a couple of times and it doesn't make a lick of sense. busted by Renzo.
the majority of people are thinking you can for some reason and its stupid hence the "this game will be broken/chars will be broken" comments
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on October 29, 2013, 01:39:21 am
But... All of the ultras leave the target directly on the ground or at least in a way the user can't possibly juggle. How do they even expect this to happen.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on October 29, 2013, 01:41:49 am
Only way that would be even possible would be if you could store two ultras, this is stupid.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on October 29, 2013, 01:47:31 am
idk people just dont pay attention and assume/over exaggerate the worst case scenario
i see it as having systems, or grooves; the classic one, single ultra etc, etc
and the new w-ultra system, more beginner friendly i guess, red focus, double ultras something about easier linking and whatnot
unless the red focus is, of course, part of the complete core gameplay which is fine im not complaining
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on October 29, 2013, 01:55:38 am
It just seems like a selection thing in the same way that sf3 had. They are going towards sf3 a lot, but removing the parry and experimenting with damage absorption through other means.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on October 29, 2013, 01:59:59 am
ah, right on that makes more sense
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on October 29, 2013, 02:04:27 am
Rolling ala SFxT could be completely game changer since safe jumps, vortex characters and corner pressure in general will suffer a lot. Delayed wakeup would fuck some timing for the oki in the game, but is not as dramatic as the roll, IMO.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on October 29, 2013, 02:21:21 am
it would actually all be for the better anyway (figuratively speaking) since people are complaining that each iteration is the same sans nerfs/buffs
but then theyll complain that its too different or they added noob friendly tactics and made the game unplayable or some shit idk
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 08, 2013, 10:47:34 am
Oh hey ! http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/nov/07/hugo-poison-rolento-and-elena-ayano-gives-us-closer-look-their-signature-special-moves-ultra-street-fighter-4/ http://www.capcom-unity.com/combofiend/blog/2013/11/07/a-quick-look-at-the-new-characters-moves (same thing but on the Capcom Unity blog) News ! (just some mechanic details on one specific move per SFxTK character) Interesting to see that Rolento's knife and Poison's projectile can be delayed.
Uh... I forgot. Probably. It's been a while and I never played Poison much. Or Rolento. Didn't remember that. Nevermind then. || V
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on November 08, 2013, 11:01:35 am
Huh? couldn't you delay Poison's projectile in SFxT? (Charge, whatever) And as far as I know, delaying the knife has been a staple property of Rolento's DP+K move.
^ Well Ayano did talk about the properties of those moves as if they were new or something, I don't blame you.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lost_Avenger on November 08, 2013, 11:21:01 am
Id be ok with Ukemi being added. Alternating between that and safe fall could keep the enemy guessing. Any chance the final character is Pandora? A palette swap of Ingrid?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 08, 2013, 11:42:28 am
I don't know what the FGC uses the term for, but an ukemi in real life is a "safe fall" so IDGI. You mean the delayed get-up ?
Any chance the final character is Pandora? A palette swap of Ingrid?
Reasonably ? No. But you never know, they could pull an SFA3Max (with Ingrid's ending out of nowhere) and it would actually be original and I'd be curious to see something like that. (I probably wouldn't like it any more than Ingrid but hey, if it's something new...)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on November 08, 2013, 02:14:43 pm
Huh? couldn't you delay Poison's projectile in SFxT? (Charge, whatever) And as far as I know, delaying the knife has been a staple property of Rolento's DP+K move.
I guess he had to mention it because SFxT's special move charging is an universal mechanic. He's just saying that even though we don't have such mechanic in SFIV we can still delay Poison's projectile.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on November 08, 2013, 03:47:37 pm
This is a dream come true, I just wanted all of these guys so bad ; __ ;
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on November 10, 2013, 05:21:29 pm
An announcement... of an announcement (http://shoryuken.com/2013/11/09/capcom-to-make-new-announcement-regarding-ultra-street-fighter-iv-next-week/) (news this coming week).
Could be that other mechanic, the thing related to that teaser (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lIxFeq_OvkE), or a next-gen port.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on November 11, 2013, 01:08:54 am
Huh? couldn't you delay Poison's projectile in SFxT? (Charge, whatever) And as far as I know, delaying the knife has been a staple property of Rolento's DP+K move.
I guess he had to mention it because SFxT's special move charging is an universal mechanic. He's just saying that even though we don't have such mechanic in SFIV we can still delay Poison's projectile.
it may not be universal per say but there are a few characters that can delay (or charge) special moves
off the top of my head, gouken with his hadoukens, juri with her fuuhajin (which can be delayed indefinitely, ie, while moving similar to boxer's turnpunch)
then there are ultras and whatnot
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 11, 2013, 02:05:20 am
The mechanic of charging a special into an EX into a super, is the one SF4 doesn't have.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on November 11, 2013, 04:16:29 pm
the only origin for "female" was the flyer with the blob, which whoever uploaded went and deleted it themselves. It was the same exact source as "name decided by poll"
may be a "new" doll with "new hairstyle" for HIDE palette swap
another source/rumor for doll : in French by Ken Bogard at 9:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwwNsZKJBeA
"Evil Cammy" like Decapre ?
damm capcom
Another "Dollclone"? [Yeah, i used "dollclone" term because i don't find a better word for this D: ]
But i think it's not real... I don't know why but.,.. I think not.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on November 11, 2013, 04:56:16 pm
I don't know how to feel about that if it ends being true, but if it is really going to happen, I expect they at least add retro compatibility with my arcade sticks. I don't want to expend more money on controller, and even less modding them again.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 11, 2013, 05:07:25 pm
Sony put up an add for Assassin's Creed 4 in the same way as the SF one (this time it's an add for a tailor shop that has the Assassins symbol and Kenway's name) so it doesn't seem like the Hadouken cab had anything specific to do with Street Fighter 4, it's more something Sony wants to do for a few famous titles.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on November 11, 2013, 05:41:27 pm
I found the ads quite different, since the hadouken one was not related to a game coming out as a new game for the ps4
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 11, 2013, 05:53:33 pm
But nothing says those ads can only be about a new game. And they use the same hashtag, 4theplayers, which is used for everything PS4. SF wouldn't need that hashtag.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on November 11, 2013, 05:57:21 pm
It's a minor thing but Capcom has consistently spelled it as "Hadoken" since SFIV; and I dunno, that probably doesn't mean anything because it's just an ad and who cares about the u but still... combined with everything else makes it seem like this is not a preview of anything new.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on November 15, 2013, 05:09:48 pm
Delayed wake-up is confirmed (a better link will show up later because the only ones available now are in JP)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 15, 2013, 05:48:03 pm
It only says you can delay the timing to stand up, without specifying if the delay is a fixed amount or variable, but I'd assume it to be like CvS2, the delay is variable depending on how long you hold the button.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on November 15, 2013, 05:52:53 pm
Gouki, Ibuki, El Fuerte and every Vortex character feel mad about this.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on November 15, 2013, 05:59:23 pm
I dunno about you guys but I'm getting a pretty serious case of deja vu right now!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on November 15, 2013, 06:01:37 pm
Why?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on November 15, 2013, 06:49:44 pm
Delayed wake-up English Link. (http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/nov/15/ultra-street-fighter-4-delayed-wakeup-mechanic-confirmed-japanese-location-tests-announced/)
Also, release date is now before Evo. (http://shoryuken.com/2013/11/15/ultra-street-fighter-iv-arriving-in-north-america-and-europe-before-evo-2014-more-details-released-for-elena-rolento-hugo-and-poison/) More info on the four new characters as well.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on November 15, 2013, 06:59:27 pm
This game gives too much for tournament players and not enough for casual gamers.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on November 15, 2013, 07:24:54 pm
That's because casual players are the ones who go on to whine about evil Crapcom making sequels to their games while tournament players are the ones who actually play fighters beyond the first month of release.
Furthermore I don't see how updating the system is a tournament only thing, since the gameplay is something everyone who touches it experiences. What do you want, Tekken bowl?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 15, 2013, 07:25:43 pm
But that hasn't happened in ages. Uche doesn't count.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on November 15, 2013, 07:35:48 pm
Quote
Rolento has always been a character who can control space both offensively and defensively with his diverse move set. As players have come to know and love his movement and style, we wanted to make sure this was captured in his first Street Fighter IV appearance. Take note, that unlike his Street Fighter X Tekken incarnate; he will not be taking any prisoners this time around.
yessssssssssssssssss
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on November 15, 2013, 07:49:56 pm
They do explicitly mention said super by name though.
Fuck still hyped though
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on November 15, 2013, 07:59:01 pm
They do explicitly mention said super by name though.
The original post doesn't. And also that quote is cooler.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on November 15, 2013, 08:16:50 pm
Also, we have this information: http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/nov/15/red-focus-can-reportedly-absorb-hits-double-digits-developers-may-be-considering-animation-delayed-wake-more-potential-usf4-info/
The RFA Level 1 Crumple sounds really cool, specially for charge characters but I'm afraid it will be overpowered. At least Umeshoryus require a bit of execution, but doing Fierce*RFA,Ultra it's really stupid.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on November 15, 2013, 10:28:45 pm
Quote
Poison's Ultra comes from SFxT, and a new one that comes from Final Fight revenge. It will make you go "ah"!
I dunno about you guys but I'm getting a pretty serious case of deja vu right now!
Why?
You're the third person to ask and he's posted since, without replying to the first (and that post was another case of trying to show his deep knowledge of the FGC and how everyone else doesn't know shit). He won't answer.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on November 16, 2013, 04:20:53 pm
So he is flamebaiting again? Making hit and run comments to try and fish some arguments against him?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 16, 2013, 04:33:40 pm
Or he just thought I was bringing up the delayed getup question as if it was a new thing, hence the "déjà vu", but I was actually continuing the previous discussion about it by pointing out it still wasn't clear even after this announcement.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on November 16, 2013, 05:45:55 pm
The delayed getup always made sense from the first moment they talked about it. I dont think anyone even doubted it was a fair possibility considering it had been in previous games.
The only thing i saw people doubt was the whole : the flyer / female character name will be decided on poll/here is a cellphone pic of flyer that is totes real guys, i know this because im deep into fighting game and im not a scrub.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on November 16, 2013, 06:07:22 pm
The delayed getup always made sense from the first moment they talked about it. I dont think anyone even doubted it was a fair possibility considering it had been in previous games.
I wasn't doubting the presence of the system, I was talking about the part where some people were wondering how exactly it would work. If the delay is a fixed time after one press of the command, or if you can delay it as long as you hold the buttons. I was saying the reveal didn't specify that bit.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on November 16, 2013, 09:34:52 pm
So...when's 5th character? or you know...actual solid confirmed character changes. I use makoto, so things like Delayed Wakeup won't help me as much. Then again I also think that shoryus not having startup invincibility from everything would make the game infinitely more interesting, and feel that 1 frame links are both arbitrarily difficult dick measuring contests that serve no real purpose, and that it makes casual players not want to play it. And it's basically confirmed that Street Fighter is headed for PS4, right? right? I'm getting tired of all of this red-herring bullshit.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on November 16, 2013, 09:49:09 pm
Why do you say The delayed wakeup mechanic wont help Mokoto? Escaping from wakeup pressure was an issue for Makoto. You either have to guess and block or spend bar and try to connect an Oroshi, the only thing that can be considered an invincible reversal for her.
Making you opponent guess by delaying your wakeup is good.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on November 16, 2013, 10:11:27 pm
Hell, I'm one of those obscure types and Vega is my main. I hope they buff him out properly. For the love of god, fucking give him some projectile immunity on his EX wall dives for christ sake!! Or at least some quicker start up times... It's ridiculous getting knocked out of an EX move repeatedly. Even when your timing is on. :doom:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on November 16, 2013, 11:34:49 pm
Hell, I'm one of those obscure types and Vega is my main. I hope they buff him out properly. For the love of god, fucking give him some projectile immunity on his EX wall dives for christ sake!! Or at least some quicker start up times... It's ridiculous getting knocked out of an EX move repeatedly. Even when your timing is on. :doom:
I want Juri's U2 to come out faster and hit from both sides...
It's utterly ridiculous they made it FAR better on SFxTK then they ever did with SSF4 to begin with...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on November 16, 2013, 11:40:17 pm
Hell, I'm one of those obscure types and Vega is my main. I hope they buff him out properly. For the love of god, fucking give him some projectile immunity on his EX wall dives for christ sake!! Or at least some quicker start up times... It's ridiculous getting knocked out of an EX move repeatedly. Even when your timing is on. :doom:
He has projectile immunity on EX walldive if you mean the d,u+P one.
If you ask me I'd like to have the ST speed on his wall dives back but I guarantee nobody that's fought ST Vega would agree with that. :P
I do think it's stupid easy to just focus and be safe from walldive vortex which I absolutely hate.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on November 16, 2013, 11:46:54 pm
He has projectile immunity on EX walldive if you mean the d,u+P one.
Ah. No, I meant the Kick Variant. It hits on the way up, so to me it would make perfect sense if it were invulnerable for at least a few frames on it's EX variant. The problem is, whether you're EXing or not, the move has startup frames that can be nullified. Considering how EX moves are buffed out versions of regular moves, it would be great to have a few invulnerability frames on start up so you could avoid fireball traps and turn the tables on your opponent. Vega lacks concrete air defense game and it's terrible to be powerless against a fireball spammer. Giving him a little invulnerability frame advantage, perhaps at the cost of maybe two power brackets, would even him out a little.
But that's just me.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on November 17, 2013, 12:32:28 am
I don't usually have a problem with zoners, because Vega's j.HP and j.HK are so good. I think Vega is a problem for a lot of people even if not as much as he used to be, because he's a rare matchup and it's difficult to adjust to what he can do.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on November 17, 2013, 12:38:44 am
I don't usually have a problem with zoners, because Vega's j.HP and j.HK are so good. I think Vega is a problem for a lot of people even if not as much as he used to be, because he's a rare matchup and it's difficult to adjust to what he can do.
Interesting. That is good to hear as I love using him. Granted, I am not that good by any stretch, but I can still hold my own. And when I do lose, I always get my opponent down to a sliver of health. I think my average win percentage is about 68%. Not too shabby for a casual player.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on November 17, 2013, 01:09:59 am
Hell, I'm one of those obscure types and Vega is my main. I hope they buff him out properly. For the love of god, fucking give him some projectile immunity on his EX wall dives for christ sake!! Or at least some quicker start up times... It's ridiculous getting knocked out of an EX move repeatedly. Even when your timing is on. :doom:
He has projectile immunity on EX walldive if you mean the d,u+P one.
If you ask me I'd like to have the ST speed on his wall dives back but I guarantee nobody that's fought ST Vega would agree with that. :P
I do think it's stupid easy to just focus and be safe from walldive vortex which I absolutely hate.
Three people asked you stuff, if you are not going to answer people in a forum and /or not say anything, you might as well not post in the thread.
The time for randomly posting baiting and then not answering was over a year ago mc2, please stop that and talk with people normally or not post at all in this thread.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on November 17, 2013, 01:14:33 am
Am I obligated to answer every single question I'm asked? Oh right you mean what I meant by what I said earlier. Well basically what I meant is that Kasumi's predictions turned out to be true but I guess I could have worded that better?
So guys can we talk about SF4? Double ultra is gonna make playing as Vega more interesting since his ultras hit in two completely different heights he's gonna be even more of a mixup monster and I can't wait. I think the delayed wakeup will make him better too.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on November 17, 2013, 01:16:55 am
when 3 people directly ask you about a post and you ignore it it kind of makes you look like a shithead
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on November 17, 2013, 01:25:43 am
Just a little bit. But to be fair I knew what he meant, so maybe he didn't know what post you were talking about. Am I the only one that wants a turbo speed for that game? I'd like it if there was a faster paced mode, even if it can't be used for ranked.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on November 17, 2013, 01:29:54 am
Turbo would be great and it's actually a possibility since they've had it before and are going to be including new modes in this game. SF4 is definitely a lot slower than I'd like.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on November 17, 2013, 01:31:43 am
I just hope that the game plays differently and still has that balance. By the comments that I see, some people think the game isn't going to balanced due to things like Red Focus.
Having the game play faster would also be cool.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on November 17, 2013, 02:09:42 am
I feel like if turbo was included it'd become the new tourney standard but it would also affect the learning curve greatly, maybe not in a good way, honestly. The pace would shift from a slow, patience based game to something completely bizarre and strange for its current meta. Street Fighter 2 got this treatment mainly because it was a game that was even slower than this one IMO.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on November 17, 2013, 02:30:49 am
If turbo was included a lot of the practical 1-2F links wouldn't work like half the time. Considering we've been accustomed to SFIV for a long time now, a change this sudden means either major adjustments would be made for that speed alone or it'd just be a niche mode for anyone wanting to play that way, like KOF in Singles.
It's like being able to do mad wonky stuff in VSav in Normal speed and trying to bring it in Turbo 3 only to realize most of those tricks you learned just don't work anymore, not because of you not being able to time it, but because it's literally impossible unless you pull it off by luck.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on November 17, 2013, 02:44:07 am
I don't like speed settings, heck I don't even like HP settings unless it's individual handicap settings while picking characters (Which I, and probably most of you never use anyway).
I think certain rules should not be allowed to be changed at all and it seems like most of the fighting games stick to the same rule nowadays so I'm ok with that.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on November 17, 2013, 02:49:34 am
My bro and I fuck with the handicap settings occasionally, I think it's a nice option to have. As for the speed, in some games the faster speed is the tournament standard although I can't see that flying here.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Cazaki on November 17, 2013, 08:08:46 am
SFIV is fast depending on matchup and playstyle. But w/e some people like to od on speed and thats cool too
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on November 17, 2013, 02:29:05 pm
No one really doubted Kasumi post that much except Rednavi, we actually went and discussed them as likely things. The thing everyone doubted was the flyer with the giant blotch and the name poll competition thing that come up right after.
Right now the most likely rumours to be true are the ones about it being decapre.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Basara Dandy on November 17, 2013, 02:50:06 pm
Considering that the new 4 characters are a copy-paste from SFxT, the idea of Decapre being the fifth character isn't crazy after all. And I won't get mad at it, after all (I'm imagining her with a mix of Juni-Julli + Vega attacks, that would be awesome)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on November 17, 2013, 04:58:00 pm
Odd, that this is the only recent Street Fighter series (not counting EX) that doesn't have an option to change speed.
Never knew what they all looked like... with 3D tech, Capcom should revisit the dolls concept.
No one really doubted Kasumi post that much except Rednavi, we actually went and discussed them as likely things. The thing everyone doubted was the flyer with the giant blotch and the name poll competition thing that come up right after.
Right now the most likely rumours to be true are the ones about it being decapre.
And I only mocked the actual command of the move, not the mechanic itself :P (I thought forward was a direction, that old basic attack terminology is obsolete, pls!).
Odd, that this is the only recent Street Fighter series (not counting EX) that doesn't have an option to change speed.
That's the point, it's the only RECENT SF game, fighting games nowadays have no speed settings except for very few (I can't even recall if they actually exist).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on November 17, 2013, 06:33:28 pm
its the name, each is a month's name in a language, the name decapre is russian for december.
No way!!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on November 17, 2013, 07:36:41 pm
Yet people still doubt the greatness of the EX series. For shame. For shame. SKULLO TKATCHEV!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on November 17, 2013, 08:24:07 pm
Of course it's the only recent series, why the hell did I say recent? :P SF4 would look a bit awkward on the turbo setting... the other games needed one because the default speed was too slow.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on November 18, 2013, 03:09:00 am
This is crazy tech without a doubt. Proximity Guard Option Select (http://shoryuken.com/2013/11/17/possible-proximity-guard-option-select-discovered-in-super-street-fighter-iv-arcade-edition-ver-2012/)
:S Trying to figure out how to perform it with charge characters right now. It even works with Specials and Supers.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on November 18, 2013, 03:11:06 am
Fixed link because Renzo's is broken for some reason. (http://shoryuken.com/2013/11/17/possible-proximity-guard-option-select-discovered-in-super-street-fighter-iv-arcade-edition-ver-2012/)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on November 18, 2013, 06:27:06 am
its the name, each is a month's name in a language, the name decapre is russian for december.
Is it supposed to also be their ethnicity too? Because I thought Juli was T. Hawk's daughter and isn't T. Hawk supposed to be mexican or something? Also Juni doesn't really look german either.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on November 18, 2013, 09:14:49 am
If I recall correctly, Thawk is searching for a girl from his tribe, Noembelu along with Juli which is the daughter of a german friend of his. Cant recall if that was in the udon books or what, sf story is fluid.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on November 18, 2013, 09:44:38 am
I see... my Street Fighter storyline knowledge got fucked in the anus so deluded after SF3 came out.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on November 18, 2013, 09:56:55 am
Udon has the "Juli is the daughter of a German doctor who was friend of the tribe" thing; she was only used in place of Noembelu in SFA3 because the latter didn't have a character to fight against. Who knows what the current explanation is. The Udon explanation is pretty reasonable and makes sense, unlike the whole "Decapre is a failed Cammy clone" thing they did, which always struck me as pretty silly and unnecessary.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on November 18, 2013, 11:54:17 pm
But Decapre looks awesome!! Nonsense!!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on November 19, 2013, 12:41:07 am
am I the only one who finds it weird that all of Bison's extra bodies are all girls ages like 16-21? I'm just saying, if I was to be resurrected, I would want to stay the same gender*COUGH COUGH ROSE COUGH PHLEGHM*. JUUUUUUSTTT SAYIIINNNNGGGG
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Filthy Casual on November 19, 2013, 12:56:17 am
I thought that the Dolls were just his bodyguards/assassins. IIRC Cammy was the only one that was a "replacement".
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on November 19, 2013, 01:00:14 am
It's widely implied that Dictator used the dolls as... well, dolls (considering that he's the headmaster of a worldwide criminal organization, being a sex offender is a blip on the radar at best).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on November 19, 2013, 01:01:38 am
The thought of "Real Dolls" is coming to mind.
Clever ruse Mr. Bison. Clever...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: rgveda99 on November 19, 2013, 02:34:38 am
Is Juni psychic? Never did understand her summoning Bison herself as one of her supers. I always thought of it as some kind of astral projection.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on November 19, 2013, 04:05:06 am
I'm talking only about the backstory in the Udon comics; her appearance was made by Capcom in SFA3.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on November 19, 2013, 04:09:54 am
It's a shame that Juni & Juli were the only playable dolls (Besides Cammy)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on November 19, 2013, 05:30:56 am
I'm sure that people would complain about the ridiculous number of Cammy clones in the game. I think that adding two new dolls while removing two dolls for every new numbered Street Fighter could've worked though.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Cazaki on November 19, 2013, 05:36:29 am
I was waiting for someone to realize that they are Cammy clones.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on November 19, 2013, 05:47:30 am
(http://i.imgur.com/kMc3WAL.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on November 19, 2013, 05:49:32 am
Sir, you're a Stormtrooper......
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on November 19, 2013, 05:57:51 am
Son of a bi-
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on November 19, 2013, 07:13:39 am
I'm sure that people would complain about the ridiculous number of Cammy clones in the game.
One's a sniper, one's a medic, one carries a pair of tomahawks tied to a rope, one has a spear, one a katana, one a nunchaku, they're not Cammy clones. They only wear the same clothes, but I can't see how you expect clones. Juni and Juli are pretty much the only ones of the bunch that don't carry an identifying equipment, that's why they could be made Cammy clones, but the others, not really. There's also Decapre but backstory says she uses claws like Vega.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on November 19, 2013, 10:25:57 am
You would still have to be blind not to see how it would disappoint people.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on November 19, 2013, 10:32:52 am
You would still have to be blind not to see how it would disappoint people.
Sure but I stopped caring about that with the whole Shotoclone thing. They'd be wrong all the same.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on November 19, 2013, 07:56:25 pm
I wouldn't mind them in a street fighter game as long as they don't all have on the same default outfit. Shotoclones probably wouldn't make me so angry if Capcom TRIED to accentuate the differences between them aside from Gi color and accessory. 'sbullshit.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on November 20, 2013, 07:11:13 am
I wouldn't mind them in a street fighter game as long as they don't all have on the same default outfit. Shotoclones probably wouldn't make me so angry if Capcom TRIED to accentuate the differences between them aside from Gi color and accessory. 'sbullshit.
There was an artist on Deviantart a while back who set out to give each individual doll their own unique doll outfit/uniform. Sadly he never finished them :'( (at least I don't think he did, because his last update on them was back in July 2012. Or maybe he thought that the four missing dolls (Decapre, Noembelu, Enero, & Xiayu) already looked unique enough.)
Here they are if you wanna see em' (http://i.imgur.com/Uni6F9W.png)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MS_Todd on November 22, 2013, 03:13:21 am
But they don't to see different. They are black ops, after all, it's like all the GEKI clan looks different, they're ninjas, not superheroes XD
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Luis Alejandro on November 22, 2013, 03:18:52 am
for all you seth users, they brought back his jump heavy dhalsim punch that they took away.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on November 22, 2013, 03:21:05 am
Finally.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Luis Alejandro on November 22, 2013, 03:30:34 am
Some new character changes, be sure to check every minute or so as the information keeps coming in (http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/nov/21/e-honda-has-invincible-command-throw-sagat-u1-connects-fully-corner-and-more-reports-usf4-changes-coming-first-japan-loc-test/)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on November 22, 2013, 04:29:12 am
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on November 22, 2013, 04:34:42 am
Vega changes said:
- Ultra 1 now has invincibility, number of frames currently unknown
Maybe I'll actually use it now!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on November 22, 2013, 04:45:33 am
Don't link to eventscrubs. http://shoryuken.com/2013/11/21/ultra-street-fighter-iv-japanese-location-test-coverage-hub/
Poor Seth, and Honda's Oicho is invincible now? Fuck.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on November 22, 2013, 05:15:56 am
What do you have against EventHubs?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on November 22, 2013, 05:20:56 am
Eventhubs is terrible because -They copypaste news and pretend to report it themselves -They report nonsense like fan art and cosplay and pass it off as news -They report blatantly untrue opinion articles as facts -They block people who use adblock -They attempt to make money off the community's FREE efforts and knowledge
SRK and IPW are all you need!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on November 22, 2013, 05:25:56 am
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 22, 2013, 05:28:34 am
it happened to me.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on November 22, 2013, 05:35:20 am
SRK has been a bit slow to report news lately for whatever reason (still the go-to site though).
I find out a good number of things through EH first (never link there because of those obnoxious ads)... they also have a good player/stat tracking system. Too bad the site is infested with all kinds of stupid.
IPW has been a shell of itself ever since Haunts left and started working for Capcom.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Luis Alejandro on November 22, 2013, 06:03:21 am
eventhubs is better than srk what the fuck you guys talking about. Srk fucked up by changing the forum. Id way rather get on event hubs see whats new, and what fgc streams are currently live. The people running the site are mad cool too(except Catalys whos a scrub). Jason24cf is becoming a well respected memeber of the fgc, his interviews are getting better and hes traveling to more events now. I kinda expect interviews after tournaments now thanks to these guys. My boy chris bahn shits on him though.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on November 22, 2013, 07:07:20 am
-They report nonsense like fan art and cosplay and pass it off as news -They report blatantly untrue opinion articles as facts
They need max CPMs by any means. There's this one lazy-made "Daigo tribute" vid that somehow made it in the news, an article with Tokido expressing his dislike on P4A in the headline (even though it is a meh game but still), reports on twitter posts expressing Chris G's losses in a foul matter, etc etc, not to mention not covering/ignoring most news that can be found in shoryuken.
Also Elena is looking very solid from these reports. Dictator's got buffs in all Scissor damage, faster fall time during EX Devil Reverse, but nerfs like 1- block on LK Scissor and 5f recovery increase in Teleport.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Luis Alejandro on November 22, 2013, 08:07:13 am
some early footage
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on November 22, 2013, 10:15:14 am
-They report nonsense like fan art and cosplay and pass it off as news -They report blatantly untrue opinion articles as facts
They need max CPMs by any means. There's this one lazy-made "Daigo tribute" vid that somehow made it in the news, an article with Tokido expressing his dislike on P4A in the headline (even though it is a meh game but still), reports on twitter posts expressing Chris G's losses in a foul matter, etc etc, not to mention not covering/ignoring most news that can be found in shoryuken.
Don't forget that they completely took that Tokido article out of context. All the guy said was that he didn't think the game would last because both Blazblue and Guilty Gear had a sequel coming up and because of how easy it was, but the Eventhubs headline made it sound like he blasted the game like Sanford did to MVC3 that one time.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on November 22, 2013, 10:34:54 am
Eventhubs is still a great site and i like that they bring fan art /not relevant stuff sometimes. People there like it too, whats even the point of having multiple sites being like SRK?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on November 22, 2013, 10:36:09 am
Is Akuma a weak character? Here' have some a random gallery of FAT videogame girls. Also, pointless cosplay pics, tons of articles taken out fo context to create controversy and get more clicks. Yeah no, Evenhubs is shit.
Back to USFIV... I just want them to make Gen's Mantis U2 like his Alpha counterpart, I know that's being unreasonable but goddamn, that Ultra is shitty.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on November 22, 2013, 11:18:04 am
Most of us have a script to block that script (At least that's what I think), that doesn't mean it's not a dick move by them.
Good that only around 15% or less of the internet users think like that. Or else a ton more websites which need revenue would have paywalls already.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 22, 2013, 11:49:06 am
Good. They need to find other ways to get money. These sites have to start understanding that people DON'T want to see those things when they become as obnoxious and invasive as they are. They need to stop acting like they're the good guys thinking their adds are a good thing. They're not the victims here. And that's massively off-topic.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on November 22, 2013, 11:56:48 am
Good. They need to find other ways to get money. These sites have to start understanding that people DON'T want to see those things when they become as obnoxious and invasive as they are.
^This pretty much.
It's not as if EH does anything that a combination of other community sites can't or haven't done. Ads piss me off (and make me uncomfortable about my CPU). Their blatant yellow journalism certainly doesn't help in making people feel sympathetic towards them.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on November 22, 2013, 03:40:40 pm
Makoto now can combo EX Fukiage on standing opponents. THATS FUCKING CRAZY. I bet she'll be going up in the tier chart; Fukiage deals a ton of stun and after the EX you can connect another one, jump, and then land another attack (Tsurugi/HP).
You'll be seeing a lot more of dizzy opponentes against her :D
Also, I really like this:
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Dan - Now builds meter on all of his taunts, regardless if he's crouching, or jumping. - Gets full hit on his DP FADC Ultra 2 juggle. - Dan Kicks have a better hit box and should be connect on crouching characters.
Ultra II not fully connecting was retarded.
As for my main, Bison, they fucked up with the Teleport recovery time, now has +5 frames. As if the move wasn't predictable enough, now you won't even have to do an option select to punish it :(. Other than that, at least they reduced the charge time for Psycho Punisher and the startup for cr.HP which makes it a "better" AA.
Seems like the changes are really heavy...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on November 22, 2013, 03:41:34 pm
So long as I can still use Bison as an anti-shoto. He works pretty well.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on November 22, 2013, 03:53:40 pm
Poison's U2 is pretty underwhelming :|
Elena's U2 being healing? LOL nobody's going to use it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on November 22, 2013, 03:57:57 pm
Those Rose buffs are so damn good ... Buffs at last (http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt305/cci_walt/th_hell-yes-onion-head-emoticon_zps0240cddc.gif)
I'll still forever miss the properties of U2 in the original Super.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on November 22, 2013, 04:07:06 pm
Hah, I was about to mention that, damn good. No nerfs for her so far and she's one of my mains.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on November 22, 2013, 04:15:21 pm
So long as I can still use Bison as an anti-shoto. He works pretty well.
Yeah, Dictator has really good pokes that help a lot in the footsies game against shotos. Also: THAT 40f CHARGE PSYCHO PUNISHER! Still, DQCF Psycho Punisher was cooler.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on November 22, 2013, 05:15:05 pm
I wish I had a main to talk about. I'll probably just main whoever's seems to be getting generous buffs provided I can stand them design wise (Guile, Dictator, and DeeJay seems to have been treated well).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on November 22, 2013, 05:22:33 pm
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on November 22, 2013, 05:26:22 pm
She'll become a beast, undoubtedly. I wan't to see what will this new Makoto do in the hands of Haitani.
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I wish I had a main to talk about. I'll probably just main whoever's seems to be getting generous buffs provided I can stand them design wise (Guile, Dictator, and DeeJay seems to have been treated well).
That's not a bad thing. I have a friend that doesn't have a main character and he's a pain in the ass. He plays decently with every character and knows the matchups in and out.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Do not even ask on November 22, 2013, 05:31:50 pm
Elena's U2 being healing? LOL nobody's going to use it.
It'd be fun for trolling pubbies but that's it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on November 22, 2013, 05:35:08 pm
This guy's name isn't Anth0nyGamer...is it? I still know how you feel, that shit's infuriating. We even nicknamed him Mr."beat you with your main"
And I would totally use U2 with elena. DP->FADC->U2, by the time they recover, you'll have most of your health back since her DP launches you extremely high.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on November 22, 2013, 05:44:01 pm
All U2 except Hugo's look like shit so far. And God I can't stand Elena's JP voice now. Poison's super looks like mugen crap with wrong vels, etc.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on November 22, 2013, 05:52:45 pm
There you go http://shoryuken.com/2013/11/22/capcom-releases-footage-of-elena-hugo-poison-and-rolentos-supers-and-ultras-in-ultra-street-fighter-iv/
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on November 22, 2013, 07:53:35 pm
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nomechy on November 22, 2013, 11:10:47 pm
Ultras look fine, but the supers just look... really unfinished.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on November 22, 2013, 11:17:04 pm
Specially Rolento's. I swear I saw some KFM animation frames in there.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Ness on November 22, 2013, 11:43:38 pm
I'm sure the further down the line we get, they'll look much better and refined. I'm curious as to whether or not they'll record new voice samples or just copypaste the SFxT samples over. I would've really liked to see new stages as opposed to the copy paste select ones from SFxT as well, I guess that's what moddings for. I'm still excited to see/play, I'm even at a point to where I honestly don't care who/what the new character is either, if it's something cool, well awesome, if it's something silly, oh well ...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on November 23, 2013, 12:03:43 am
Specially Rolento's. I swear I saw some KFM animation frames in there.
Can I use that? 'spretty good.
And I'm hoping they're gonna redo some of the Ultra animations, because the newer ones with all of the cool camera angles(megaton press) kinda shit on most of the other Ultras just on camera work and facial expressions alone. Also Poisons U2 is dumb, there's already enough attacks to the groin in that game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: videoman on November 23, 2013, 01:27:50 am
For some reason every time Capcom makes a update It makes feel uneasy even if Elena is in it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on November 23, 2013, 01:44:45 am
For some reason every time Capcom makes a update about SFIV It makes feel uneasy even if Elena is in it.
Because it doesn't have Karin?
I do wan't Karin and do accept she is not going to be in USFIV for now. But that is not what I'm worried about. I Feel I should not get not get this game just because the characters that I want are in. For now I will wait at least for the details of the console version and the brand new character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on November 23, 2013, 02:59:58 am
Poison's always going to be a chick in my eyes. That was Capcom's original plan for her anyway, it got changed last minute, and it was for a stupid reason.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on November 23, 2013, 03:42:44 am
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on November 23, 2013, 04:25:09 am
I frequently wonder if anyone would give a shit about Poison if she had been an 'unambiguous' female from day one. Not much more than Rolento, I think.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on November 23, 2013, 06:04:39 am
Poison is female. If you ain't down with that... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObWltaJaOkw)
Ultras... some look cool, others just look plain silly and over-cinematic, so don't really care.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 23, 2013, 06:14:59 am
Poison's always going to be a chick in my eyes. That was Capcom's original plan for her anyway, it got changed last minute, and it was for a stupid reason.
and ryu is always going to be a kenshiro clone then ?
I frequently wonder if anyone would give a shit about Poison if she had been an 'unambiguous' female from day one. Not much more than Rolento, I think.
nobody would give a fuck just like nobody gives a fuck about the other generic female villains of the otehr capcom beat em ups.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on November 23, 2013, 06:47:54 am
So can somebody explain to me why Capcom thinks Double Half-Circle Back inputs are the wave of the fucking future? I hate that input with a burning passion, it's really stupid, and almost impossible to do without telegraphing that shit. It's probably one of the slowest fighting game inputs. I didn't like it with Guy, Oni, or anybody else that had it, and I don't think anyone else liked that input especially either. So why is it that move inputs are being replaced with that? Mind you I use the xbox D-Pad, so while it may not be a big deal for you, for me it means risking jumping backwards...twice...without the ultra coming out... and that frustrates me.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on November 23, 2013, 07:07:35 am
You can try buffering the command, then. It works nicely within combos and other setups.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on November 23, 2013, 07:46:30 am
Tell me how to combo any double half circle ultra in this game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on November 23, 2013, 07:50:24 am
What are you playing on? I don't have any issues doing that motion but I play on a pad so I guess that's why?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on November 23, 2013, 07:52:12 am
Tell me how to combo any double half circle ultra in this game.
Oni's got his Shoryuken FADC into Ultra 2.
look at this noob
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on November 23, 2013, 10:11:19 am
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Juri
UC2 hitbox expanded forward
Eh... I still wish for it to be more like it's SFxTK version...or atleast be a bit faster when it starts...makes the U2 somewhat easy to combo into...
Otherwise, it looks like Juri got some tweaks here and there, but since I've been not really all that much into SF4, I'm not sure how many are overall buffs or nerfs.
I frequently wonder if anyone would give a shit about Poison if she had been an 'unambiguous' female from day one. Not much more than Rolento, I think.
I MIGHT... I find it ridiculous mainly because of the fact that whether or not Capcom truly planned it from the start or not(I still believe they haven't due to hearing more about them never planning on having her transgender from the start then not) and it still feels awkward as she's never really ADDRESSED as a Transgender except in rare circumstances.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on November 23, 2013, 10:54:12 am
Juri's are buffs. Her normals are being improved although I question why they would remove the hard knockdown from j.HK.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 23, 2013, 11:13:32 pm
Tell me how to combo any double half circle ultra in this game.
I don't play this game, so I don't know if i has the kof/cvs/sf3 rule of regular half circle special not coming out if you hodl down or the opossite direction; if it does you can combo them just like kof, half circle, goto down or opossite, press the normal , then end the double half circle on hit.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on November 24, 2013, 12:01:55 am
(http://s8.postimg.org/siik44ks5/hint.jpg) Some pic that I found on the shoryuken forums, not sure if it means anything :/ they've got an entire thread there dedicated to trying to figure out who the 5th character is. http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/180502/who-will-the-mysterious-5th-new-character-be/p28
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on November 24, 2013, 12:19:04 am
Yeah, that claw couldn't POSSIBLY be Vega/Balrog's claw.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on November 24, 2013, 12:27:45 am
they are both the same claw, the picture is just showing that whent hey first announced it someone posed with a claw, I dont see how proposterous it is to point out that.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 24, 2013, 01:20:22 am
Especially considering that this someone is Ayano, the director of the game. Or producer or whatever his title is I don't remember. He replaced Ono.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on November 24, 2013, 03:13:21 am
I just thought about it, what is Capcom thinking trying to balance the game without revealing a character? That greatens the chance of the mystery number 5 being either terrible or broken. And since the game is being balanced as if that character didn't exist, it's possible the cast will have little to no way of defending themselves against him/her...or it just makes the likelihood of it being a character from a previous game even higher. If the moveset and skills are pre-determined, all you have to do is alter damage and boxes...hmm...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 24, 2013, 03:16:49 am
... Uh, what ? They don't need to tell us what the fifth character is to include it in their balancing. If you mean the reports from the loketests not including that character, I'm sure they're smart enough to think about that character when considering these reports and suggestions.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on November 24, 2013, 05:23:47 am
Isn't the console version coming out after the Arcade release?
Worst case scenario: 5th character is originally overpowered, Capcom releases a patch before console gamers even get the game, and he/she is nerfed into nothingness.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on November 24, 2013, 07:52:07 am
That's what happened with the twins, but the wait wasn't exactly a short one :(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Syone on November 24, 2013, 02:58:41 pm
Guess the 5th is probably brand new since they are hiding it. Another weapon wielder would be interesting..
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on November 24, 2013, 08:58:29 pm
I just hope the new character isn't op as fuck.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on November 24, 2013, 09:05:25 pm
I ve said it once i say it again..it will be Yoshinori Ono and he will become a "Mokujin" type guy...with a Blanka doll.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on November 24, 2013, 09:14:36 pm
If Ono is revealed as the 5th character, I'm gonna suck my own dick.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on November 24, 2013, 09:17:26 pm
Rumor is that that the firth character might be retsu from sf1
eventscrubs as usual http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2012/dec/14/japanese-street-fighter-25th-anniversary-art-book-sample-images/
Same picture is from a artbook from last year
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Luis Alejandro on November 29, 2013, 05:46:44 am
this is the picture in question (http://media.eventhubs.com/images/2013/11/28_usf4art01.jpg)
jebailey posted it on his instagram and since then ive been seeing people talking about it on facebook/instagram. Why the fuck are you hating on eventhubs when they are just posting what people have been speculating today
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on November 29, 2013, 05:51:53 am
That exact same rumor came from like a week after they said there was gonna be a 5th character, from that same image even.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on November 29, 2013, 05:58:38 am
Eventscrubs is late as always, they should stick to posting some more boring news no one cares about. No really, I don't care about your SFxT custom models, that's not news worthy.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Luis Alejandro on November 29, 2013, 05:59:13 am
its the rumor of the day, and people are talking about it. I dont remember this being discussed and apparently neither did most people.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Karasai on November 29, 2013, 06:04:58 am
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Luis Alejandro on November 29, 2013, 06:08:52 am
^^
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its the rumor of the day, and people are talking about it.
you cant blame eventhubs for the fgc sudden realization
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on November 29, 2013, 06:12:23 am
Wow, has it been nearly two months... lol.
To be fair, the image wasn't easy to find. NeoGaf just got a hold of it today as well.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on November 29, 2013, 06:15:22 am
Someone should quick edit a random profile at IMDB with Retsu listed as their upcoming role just to mindfuck eventhubs to add in their front page for more clicks.
Win/win.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on November 29, 2013, 01:19:35 pm
I'd say they're taking as long as they did with Hakan to reveal anything about the 5th character but even Hakan had a name to him before pics and vids of him came out.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on November 29, 2013, 02:00:30 pm
To be fair, the image wasn't easy to find. NeoGaf just got a hold of it today as well.
You'll assume a site DEDICATED to fighting games in general would know better and be more informed than a mugen site (Considering how the mugen community seems to be a joke for the FGC) yet they're almost 2 months late, welp evenhubs is DEAD!!!
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
It was since a long time ago but the zombie that is the site refuses to die.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 29, 2013, 02:24:56 pm
Eventhubs only repeats what other people pick up, if it was only on a few forums two months ago they don't see it, but if a Japanese dude posts it on Twitter two months later they grab it as if it was new, simply because the Tweet is new.
I'd say they're taking as long as they did with Hakan to reveal anything about the 5th character but even Hakan had a name to him before pics and vids of him came out.
Hakan also had leaks describing his style months before the announcement.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on November 29, 2013, 03:07:57 pm
Oh yeah now I remember. Were there any leaked images of him beforehand?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on November 29, 2013, 03:34:07 pm
Just a low quality pic of his portrait in the Versus screen with a fake screenie. It was done a few days before his reveal trailer.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on November 29, 2013, 03:46:20 pm
In any case, I must admit. We have no proof that this is IRRELEVANT beyond Byakko just stating right off the bat NO, IT'S NOT RETSU, PERIOD.
When that Shinkiro Art came out, there was no context as to why so many characters that didn't make sense were in that artwork. Now they're actually there, confirmed. And it's not like these artworks are random, they're directly related to the SF4 series ...
... This could very well be the confirmation we needed.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on November 29, 2013, 03:50:03 pm
In any case, I must admit. We have no proof that this is IRRELEVANT beyond Byakko just stating right off the bat NO, IT'S NOT RETSU, PERIOD.
When that Shinkiro Art came out, there was no context as to why so many characters that didn't make sense were in that artwork. Now they're actually there, confirmed. And it's not like these artworks are random, they're directly related to the SF4 series ...
... This could very well be the confirmation we needed.
Wrong, that artwork has George Clooney and we have yet to see him confirmed!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 29, 2013, 03:58:11 pm
In any case, I must admit. We have no proof that this is IRRELEVANT beyond Byakko just stating right off the bat NO, IT'S NOT RETSU, PERIOD.
When that Shinkiro Art came out, there was no context as to why so many characters that didn't make sense were in that artwork. Now they're actually there, confirmed. And it's not like these artworks are random, they're directly related to the SF4 series ...
... This could very well be the confirmation we needed.
nobody's saying it's not retsu, they are jsut saying that that picture is old.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on November 29, 2013, 04:01:06 pm
That artwork by shinkiro was done in around april or may 2012 as part of the sf25th anniversary art book which is full with fan art and paid illustrations.
"And it's not like these artworks are random, they're directly related to the SF4 series ..."
Nah, almost all of the apaid illustrations in that art book are combining sf1-sfxt characters, only the sfex characters wereexcluded, the artworks were not all made in relation to the sfiv series
i say it again...you will get friggin Ono with a Mokujin playstyle!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 29, 2013, 04:02:23 pm
Erm, Shinkiro just made an artwork for the anniversary book, so it included characters from SF1 and SF3, that doesn't sound weird to me. As for T. Hawk, in the first place we got a peek at his model when they were explaining that they had started working on him and Dee Jay for the first SF4, but gave up because time and money, so when SSF4 came up, they were the first to get their ticket. The artwork is purely coincidental with SFxTK until proof of the contrary, as far as I understand it. I could just as well take the opposite reasoning saying that it shows Hugo and Elena who were indeed in SFxTK (the game was released but Elena was in the DLC for the following Christmas), and yet Retsu didn't show up in it, for a "proof" that it's unrelated. I'm not saying it won't be Retsu, just that it would be no more than a coincidence.
... Oh, except the 5th character is still supposed to make his debut in a fighting game and in the Street Fighter franchise so NO, IT'S NOT RETSU, PERIOD :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on November 29, 2013, 04:02:56 pm
Right, it's not like these game thingies aren't planned out years in advance.
I can tell you guys haven't worked for a consumer company on the Strategic Planning side ::)
Edit: In any case, if the absolutely "unbreakable" rule is true, and this is the FG debut of this character, Bald Sage with Huge Eyebrows sounds completely like a completely feasible thing.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on November 29, 2013, 04:05:52 pm
You would have a point if Shinkiro would have bene involved in the sfiv series development (as artist)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on November 29, 2013, 04:06:45 pm
Capcom owns him, if you hadn't noticed ... he makes artwork for all their games, no matter how absurd or obscure they are.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 29, 2013, 04:07:06 pm
At the very best you can make a case that they were thinking about it, and when Ultra was greenlighted, they thought "we have that, let's put it in" which is actually exactly what happened with DJ and Hawk. In no way that means that they already knew they were going to make SSF4 when they gave up on DJ and TH, just as much as it doesn't mean they knew they'd do USF4 when they had Shinkiro start drawing stuff for a future artbook. (after all, they plan games in advance, but they also plan artbooks in advance) And they explicitly said they figured they could do USF4 when everyone demanded the 4 SFxTK chars to be added in SF4. I know you're free to not believe them but you can't prove it's false.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Mgbenz on November 29, 2013, 04:10:26 pm
Right, it's not like these game thingies aren't planned out years in advance.
I can tell you guys haven't worked for a consumer company on the Strategic Planning side ::)
Edit: In any case, if the absolutely "unbreakable" rule is true, and this is the FG debut of this character, Bald Sage with Huge Eyebrows sounds completely like a completely feasible thing.
By strategic planning you mean flat out lying about who the character is and "accidentally revealing" him on an artbook released a long time ago?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on November 29, 2013, 04:15:48 pm
its going to be a mokujin using Retsu body and Im going to laugh.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on November 29, 2013, 04:16:41 pm
At the very best you can make a case that they were thinking about it, and when Ultra was greenlighted, they thought "we have that, let's put it in" which is actually exactly what happened with DJ and Hawk. In no way that means that they already knew they were going to make SSF4 when they gave up on DJ and TH, just as much as it doesn't mean they knew they'd do USF4 when they had Shinkiro start drawing stuff for a future artbook. (after all, they plan games in advance, but they also plan artbooks in advance)
And they explicitly said they figured they could do USF4 when everyone demanded the 4 SFxTK chars to be added in SF4. I know you're free to not believe them but you can't prove it's false.
Your logic is ... weird. I think the only person choosing to be ingenous here is you.
I mean, look at MVC3 FTW -> Ultimate MVC3 life cycle, and the accident Frank West reveal since the first game. They know they have their consumers by the balls, they just pave the ground for when (not "if") they're fucking the fanboys in the ass.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 29, 2013, 04:24:11 pm
Edit: In any case, if the absolutely "unbreakable" rule is true, and this is the FG debut of this character, Bald Sage with Huge Eyebrows sounds completely like a completely feasible thing.
they already went back on that rule on an ann interview, and said that is the character's debut in sf, so if the character was already in a fighting game it can still be in sf4, as long as that fighting game was not sf.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 29, 2013, 04:29:09 pm
@walt Okay, I'm thinking you're the one who's not getting something about how games are made. They were working on SF4. They started modeling and planning DeeJay and T Hawk, giving one of them a full, detailed movelist (I don't remember which one but they said so, even before they revealed SSF4 would come out). But then they figured they were out of time, and they dropped them. Then SF4 came out. Later, SSF4 was greenlit. They had already done stuff on Dee and Hawk, so they said, how about finishing these two ! So they did.
At some point, SFxTK came out. They had done all the work on Hugo, Rolento, Poison, Elena. Fans demanded to get them in SF4. They figured they had the assets, and adapting them would take some more work but it was definitely doable, so they went for it in USF4. This is what they officially said : they only decided to do USF4 when seeing the demands for those 4 in SF4 and seeing the ports that went around on the Net (someone copied the data to SF4 and it turned out to work). You don't have to believe them, but you can't prove they flat-out lied about something so dumb.
My point with that is, sometimes they start working on stuff and they give up, only to reuse them later. Where I'm going with that is, sure, maybe at some point they started working on Retsu. That would be a stretch because lol why would they do anything for Retsu. But then they decided, no, he's not going on SF4. No, not on SSF4 either. No, still not on SFxTK. Because let's face it, he sucks. And then when they decided to do USF4, someone suddenly had a change of heart and said, guys, we do have assets lying around for him. Why not throw him in ?
But that's a big "maybe". The bottom line is that they don't need to have "planned" everything from the start, being naughty secretive bastards. At most, you can claim they did something and then gave up and then came back to it. But I'm pretty sure they didn't "plan it out" this way.
And they still said the character was new to the SF games. They also said it was his first time in a fighting game but [E] says that was removed, I don't remember, maybe it was. But he's new to the SF games. So it's still not Retsu.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on November 29, 2013, 04:35:08 pm
What I'm saying is, sure, maybe at some point they started working on Retsu. That would be a stretch because lol why would they do anything for Retsu. But then they decided, no, he's not going on SF4. No, not on SSF4 either. No, still not on SFxTK. Because let's face it, he sucks. And then when they decided to do USF4, someone suddenly had a change of heart and said, guys, we do have assets lying around for him. Why not throw him in?
This is the hole in your logic. "He's never been relevant"
He is in recent artwork with other confirmed recently characters, for a recently announced game. It's a lot more plausible than you think.
Anything goes, until they actually confirm what the character is.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on November 29, 2013, 04:36:47 pm
If you were someone of my neighborhood i would have asked you to do a bet about 50 bucks if it is retsu or not since i love winning money through bets :-)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 29, 2013, 04:38:20 pm
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He is in recent artwork with other confirmed recently characters, for a recently announced game.
Wrong. He's in an anniversary artwork that includes characters from the most recent game (SF4), and includes characters from all generations, from SF1 to SF3. Retsu is the representative of SF1 in this artwork. There's no hint anywhere that this artwork has anything to do with either SFxTK or USF4, but there's a massive hint that this artwork is related to the anniversary, seeing how it is in an anniversary book - which in itself makes it completely logical that this would include characters from all generations. The smallest common denominator here is not the recent game, it's the anniversary and the callback to all games. It makes a lot more sense that he's here for the anniversary and not for a reveal of a game they hadn't even thought of when the book came out.
Saying that Hugo and Elena happen to be new additions in SFxTK and then ported to USF4 is completely circumstantial.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Mgbenz on November 29, 2013, 04:39:52 pm
Walt, you're the only one here who's actually convinced the 5th char. is Retsu. All because of some random artwork from a long time ago. <_<
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on November 29, 2013, 04:40:35 pm
At this point I'm not even saying it's Retsu, it could be a look alike.
My point is that "that" Shikiro artwork, which at the time was seemingly misplaced and irrelevant because it had impossible SF3 characters mixed with SF4 designs, is relevant, just like previous cases of incorrectly released artwork (KOF XIII Mai and K' in an SNK website, Frank West in the silohuettes of MVC3 artwork, even if he wasn't added to the roster until UMVC3 1 year later).
It's not that old. And yes, my experience with consumer products is that they're conceptualized 2 years in advance, logistically planned 18 months in advance, actually produced roughly 14 months in advance, and actually shipped to distribution centers 2 or 3 months in advance. This happening at this rate makes perfect sense for me.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on November 29, 2013, 04:41:46 pm
I mean, look at MVC3 FTW -> Ultimate MVC3 life cycle, and the accident Frank West reveal since the first game. They know they have their consumers by the balls, they just pave the ground for when (not "if") they're fucking the fanboys in the ass.
there are always dropped characters , remember octopus, human torch ( who somehow become super skrull when they decided to compound the fantastic four ) , ghost rider ( who couldnt be included because of the bike ) , iron fist ( that was already in the ryu ending) .Whoever the character is, it has been planned ahead, capcom is one of those companies that prepares more than what they use.
I think there was even a comment about the character being something they wanted to do for a while.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 29, 2013, 04:42:35 pm
Frank West was worked on for MvC3 and was supposed to be in it, so his silhouette makes perfect sense. Mai and K' were a slip-up, which is totally plausible. A slip-up in an anniversary artbook is an explanation a lot less plausible than it's an anniversary that includes SF1.
And that character is not a look-alike, it's totally Retsu.
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And yes, my experience with consumer products is that they're conceptualized 2 years in advance, logistically planned 18 months in advance, actually produced roughly 14 months in advance, and actually shipped to distribution centers 2 or 3 months in advance. This happening at this rate makes perfect sense for me.
Everyone knows that, see how we're talking about Dee Jay and T Hawk and Frank West. But things change and sometimes they drop stuff. Like those very same examples. By the way, you talk about years, but that's for a complete game, not for a port of 4 characters and one new characters, that doesn't take 2 years, so this is not receivable.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on November 29, 2013, 04:44:33 pm
Frank West was worked on for MvC3 and was supposed to be in it, so his silhouette makes perfect sense. Mai and K' were a slip-up, which is totally plausible
+all three "leaked" images were illustrated by the artists who were hired to do the promotional artworks for them.
Shinkiro however was not involved in any directly SFIV series related art.
All other SF I / SF Alpha 1-3 and SFIII characters are featured in the SF Anniversary art book too btw. ..including good old Joe and Mike!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on November 29, 2013, 04:47:16 pm
jebailey posted it on his instagram and since then ive been seeing people talking about it on facebook/instagram. Why the fuck are you hating on eventhubs when they are just posting what people have been speculating today
The FGC is allowed to speculate. If it's not us, it's not going to be the mainstream media. You won't see this in Kotaku or fucking IGN. They don't even care about EVO, which for me is pretty much fucking Christmas.
Stop trying to shut people down if they want to speculate. Ride the hype train.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on November 29, 2013, 04:49:44 pm
And then when they decided to do USF4, someone suddenly had a change of heart and said, guys, we do have assets lying around for him. Why not throw him in ?
they made a big point about how the char was something they wanted to do but couldnt before due to development time, not saying it was retsu, but something odd that they couldnt get working on the other games would fit, even if it was not used on sf4 ssf4 or sfvs tekken
in code terms R&D would be in charge of something they hadnt been able to do before with the engine, , something like dhalsim stretchy arms would be something to RD, so would hakan fluid use. They have talked before about the design team so I doubt they are the same thing.
I consider someone like Fei long to be easy to develop once they have fire animations developed to play properly for instance, but a dhalsim o zangief required them to develop better rigging and measures anti clipping first.
we even discussed that before.. If they wanted to rework retsu to do something strange they could have not been able to put him in previous games due to lack of RD.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on November 29, 2013, 05:01:17 pm
It will be another headswap, it's always another headswap! Like Sakura's friend, Kei. She's going to be the Norimaro of this game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on November 29, 2013, 05:05:29 pm
Actually, you bring this up. Some of the WHOOPING 26 NEW TEKKEN CHARACTERS added to SFxT use recycled animations from the SSF4AE Cast
Not to mention, with the already existing USF4 roster of 43 characters, that gives them a total of 69 characters to swap moves from :S
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on November 29, 2013, 05:08:35 pm
its Retsu/DD with the movesets of removed tekken characters
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 29, 2013, 05:20:37 pm
DD with Mishima lightnings was my favorite choice back in the first wave of guesses but he's Retsu in disguise anyway so it works -- no, better, DD is YOUNG RETSU.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on November 29, 2013, 05:25:18 pm
DD with Mishima lightnings was my favorite choice back in the first wave of guesses but he's Retsu in disguise anyway so it works -- no, better, DD is YOUNG RETSU.
Okay i got a deal we can all agree on.
A character with random tekken moveset plus his body models are those of missing charactes Retsu is costume 1 DD is costume 2 Joe is costume 3 Geki is costume 4 Ingrid is costume 5 megaman is costume 6 Ono is costume 7
We have come to terms.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on November 29, 2013, 05:36:11 pm
Karin.....
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on November 29, 2013, 05:36:55 pm
They don't have the rights to Karin anymore iirc.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
That and they kept saying this character wasn't playable until now or something like that. Karin was playable.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on November 29, 2013, 06:03:47 pm
I say Eliza.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on November 29, 2013, 07:37:12 pm
Hey wait...when the 5th character was first hinted at, Ono said it wasn't Asura and it wasn't Fat Megaman..."FAT" Megaman. I don't think he ever said it wouldn't be any of the other versions of him. And because of the Smash Bros. Reveal, people just assumed it wouldn't be him because smash bros. But I mean... He: Hasn't been in a mainline street fighter-check Would fit contextually-more than some Would get people hype-check checkitycheck check I'm just saying, one of the main-set megamen (vanilla-battle network, maybe ZX but I never played them.) isn't that far-fetched, is it? Or did I miss something really important...? Again...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 29, 2013, 07:40:50 pm
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 29, 2013, 08:13:09 pm
She was created by a manga artist (the guy who made a manga about Sakura), Capcom liked her, licensed her for her SFZ appearance, waited for a while, used her again in CFJ/CFE but quickly hit the time limit for the license they had. At least that's the story that goes around every single time anyone mentions her in a wishlist for an upcoming game. Which happens a lot.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on November 29, 2013, 09:02:30 pm
I am betting the manga artist who created Karin Kanzuki is long dead and rights to his/her characters are up in smoke.
What is the story on R. Mika?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 29, 2013, 09:11:12 pm
I am betting the manga artist who created Karin Kanzuki is long dead
What the fuck :omg: His blog is here http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~n-masahiko/ the Internet doesn't seem to know his age but he made the SF mangas in the '90s and his blog is still active.
The story is that no one cares for her. She was created for SFA3 based on some professional catch woman and that was all.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on November 29, 2013, 09:12:43 pm
is karin in street fighter vs all capcom or whatever? if she isn't (would be weird considering her popularity and that the game has like 500 different cards) then maybe something's up.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 29, 2013, 09:17:10 pm
I haven't seen her in any screenshot or poster seen in any news, but I haven't touched the game itself so I dunno.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on November 29, 2013, 09:21:21 pm
Probably not.
Karin is pretty popular (within the Capcom fandom) in Japan... I'm sure they would've whored used her for promotionals in a game like this.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on November 29, 2013, 09:39:31 pm
I remember an interview where Ono or someone representing Capcom went on about how intrigued they were about Tekken's Lei's five fighting stances and wanted to implement something similar into a Street Fighter character. I cant find the quote on Event Hubs or Shoryuken at the moment, but I think that this info is really something to consider for the new character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on November 29, 2013, 09:45:39 pm
So the new guy will fight using ladders, chairs, ropes and pots while holding a baby in one arm, mourning the passing of his grandfather and insisting to anyone that will listen that he wants no trabble?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on November 29, 2013, 09:53:42 pm
That's pretty much what I had in mind too, but we could be wrong :-P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on November 29, 2013, 10:05:36 pm
Nah, Karin isn't in SF X Capcom, not yet at least but uhh hey, at least we have both Sonsons... or something.
and could somebody clarify on what SNT was talking about? I don't know who or what he was referring to...
... Jackie Chan.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on November 29, 2013, 11:37:58 pm
Well they still use Karin in official art books and udon comics. I doubt they would buy extra rights just for that. They don't put SF EX characters in the art books.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on November 29, 2013, 11:49:24 pm
I call BS on all the rumors, I want some official confirmation about that already. Until then I'll just think that they're not using her for the same reason they never use R. Mika for a fighting game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on November 30, 2013, 12:30:59 am
I've always seen Karin fans as an extremely vocal minority and nothing more. That might even be the case.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Luis Alejandro on November 30, 2013, 01:14:18 am
I've always seen Karin fans as an extremely vocal minority and nothing more. That might even be the case.
I guess I had my hand in this Karin business as well and haven't giving up on her. If I'm lucky she will be in SUSFIVACT (Super Ultra Street Fighter IV Arcade Edition Turbo Edition) or be in a stupid cellphone game since she is not going to be in USFIV.
But I am thankful that Elena is in it! As long there is no GEMs in home version or add a similar feature to Pandora!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on November 30, 2013, 01:58:58 am
what
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on November 30, 2013, 02:04:38 am
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaLWkGGCMAAYehP.png:large watch them not put the 5th character where that empty spot is
What's that screen from?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on November 30, 2013, 04:31:33 am
Armshouse were streaming footage from Dreamhack.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on November 30, 2013, 04:32:32 am
I'm not sure I'm familiar with either of those names.
Are those from an official build, or not?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on November 30, 2013, 04:42:37 am
Dreamhack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamHack) is the world's biggest PC festival and LAN gathering, that takes place every year in Sweden. It's been big in the eSports scene for a while, and have started branching out to fighters.
Armshouse (http://www.twitch.tv/armshouse) is a European stream service based out of England. They typically help cover the World Game Cup in France, and this year streamed the EU/UK qualifiers for the Capcom Cup and Shadowloo Showdown.
And yes, it was an official build.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on November 30, 2013, 04:59:20 am
So would anyone like to see a live stream of the changes being tested?
http://www.twitch.tv/armshouse
Posted: November 30, 2013, 05:19:10 am Super Arcade here in America will be streaming their own footage of the alpha build on both Saturday 11/30 and Sunday 12/1 at roughly 3pm-5pm pst on http://www.twitch.tv/capcomunity
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Syone on November 30, 2013, 09:08:49 am
She was created by a manga artist (the guy who made a manga about Sakura), Capcom liked her, licensed her for her SFZ appearance, waited for a while, used her again in CFJ/CFE but quickly hit the time limit for the license they had. At least that's the story that goes around every single time anyone mentions her in a wishlist for an upcoming game. Which happens a lot.
That's sad to hear, I liked Karin's game play in alpha3
I remember an interview where Ono or someone representing Capcom went on about how intrigued they were about Tekken's Lei's five fighting stances and wanted to implement something similar into a Street Fighter character. I cant find the quote on Event Hubs or Shoryuken at the moment, but I think that this info is really something to consider for the new character.
Yea that's a possibility, and would be a fun char to see. It's not exactly a new frontier though since there is Gen..who can easily be expanded to lei's play style by giving him the fluidity of switching stance back and forth in the mist of combos with open ends, instead of the current rigid as hell setup. But then again what is the odds of moving Gen to the main pool or even back to his alpha day glory. Anyways let's see what they can cook up with.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on November 30, 2013, 04:39:23 pm
I watched the stream when you posted that link, but the guy on the sticks was being...not very helpful. And he kept leaving. 5th character is shen-long using the 5 street fighter types as stances.
Oh and I'm starting to see why SD hates event hubs...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on November 30, 2013, 05:01:21 pm
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Trinitronity on November 30, 2013, 08:34:15 pm
Gouken is not Sheng Long. Should I set you straight now? >:[
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on December 01, 2013, 03:03:37 am
(http://i.imgur.com/toJG7M9.jpg) this character select screen is triggering my ocd.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on December 01, 2013, 03:20:07 am
Technically Ryu, Ken, Sagat, Adon, and Gen were from Street Fighter 1
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on December 01, 2013, 03:42:14 am
(http://i.imgur.com/A0Odozk.png)
>:C had to come with a few compromises but this is how I would put them. Gouken makes sense side by side with gouki, but gouki makes sense next to the older cast imo.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Cazaki on December 01, 2013, 03:47:54 am
The only thing I'm going to get ocd about is "Ultra Combo Wombo"
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Markpachi on December 01, 2013, 06:51:34 am
Wasn't Sheng Long a mistranslation of "Shoryuken" in SFII?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on December 01, 2013, 09:16:38 am
Wasn't Sheng Long a mistranslation of "Shoryuken" in SFII?
Originally, yes. But then some magazine decided to troll the Street Fighter fandom by sending this to the printers: (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120218222326/streetfighter/images/f/fe/Sheng_long03.jpg) This eventually lead to Capcom getting "inspired" thus creating Gouken (who was already fucking dead in the timeline) and putting him in SF4. So in a sense Sheng Long is Gouken... though there is still fans (like me) who will debate that they are two separate entities. I'm not sure if Capcom has acknowledged whether or not Long actually exists in the SF canon. For all we know, we could be fighting a battle that is impossible to win.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on December 01, 2013, 10:40:21 am
Those health bars look sick. I want them for Mugen.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on December 01, 2013, 08:14:04 pm
I think it's kinda like how Mike(SF1) and M.Bison (boxer) are two different people.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on December 02, 2013, 12:15:29 pm
5th character, according to rumours: - Female. - Related to SF. - Being able to swithch fighting styles(? not sure where I read this). - It has never been playable.
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My theory:
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Pandora. Why? According to SFZ3Upper, Ingrid's power is the source of both Psycho and Soul Power, mastered by Rose, Vega(Dictator), T. Hawk's grandfather(or father?), and Rose's and Vega's mistress(by Udon-NOT CANON! But Capcom now says that Udon comics are now canon, so WTF!). Also, her "essence" possesses fighters' bodies and souls(as seen in SFxT), so that could explain the fighting style switch.
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I know it's a lot of shit, xDD!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Silver Fang on December 02, 2013, 01:48:59 pm
As much as I enjoyed the Udon comics, they can't be canon to the game, at least not all of them. They have Sagat working for Shadaloo before he lost his eye, let alone got the scar.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on December 02, 2013, 03:05:55 pm
Nothing Udon does is canon, Capcom confirmed this some time ago.
Not that I really care about what's canon in Street Fighter anymore.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 地獄の花 on December 02, 2013, 11:10:45 pm
5th character, according to rumours: - Female. - Related to SF. - Being able to swithch fighting styles(? not sure where I read this). - It has never been playable.
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My theory:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Pandora. Why? According to SFZ3Upper, Ingrid's power is the source of both Psycho and Soul Power, mastered by Rose, Vega(Dictator), T. Hawk's grandfather(or father?), and Rose's and Vega's mistress(by Udon-NOT CANON! But Capcom now says that Udon comics are now canon, so WTF!). Also, her "essence" possesses fighters' bodies and souls(as seen in SFxT), so that could explain the fighting style switch.
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I know it's a lot of shit, xDD!
a character that can switch to psycho power stance and soul power stance?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on December 04, 2013, 02:37:14 am
5th character, according to rumours: - Female. - Related to SF. - Being able to swithch fighting styles(? not sure where I read this). - It has never been playable.
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My theory:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Pandora. Why? According to SFZ3Upper, Ingrid's power is the source of both Psycho and Soul Power, mastered by Rose, Vega(Dictator), T. Hawk's grandfather(or father?), and Rose's and Vega's mistress(by Udon-NOT CANON! But Capcom now says that Udon comics are now canon, so WTF!). Also, her "essence" possesses fighters' bodies and souls(as seen in SFxT), so that could explain the fighting style switch.
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I know it's a lot of shit, xDD!
a character that can switch to psycho power stance and soul power stance?
That's... interesting
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on December 04, 2013, 05:16:47 am
5th character, according to rumours: - Female. - Related to SF. - Being able to swithch fighting styles(? not sure where I read this). - It has never been playable.
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My theory:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Pandora. Why? According to SFZ3Upper, Ingrid's power is the source of both Psycho and Soul Power, mastered by Rose, Vega(Dictator), T. Hawk's grandfather(or father?), and Rose's and Vega's mistress(by Udon-NOT CANON! But Capcom now says that Udon comics are now canon, so WTF!). Also, her "essence" possesses fighters' bodies and souls(as seen in SFxT), so that could explain the fighting style switch.
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I know it's a lot of shit, xDD!
But
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Are you saying that's it's Ingrid's power taken form is the new character? Because Ingrid created Pandora according to the SFxTK comic.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on December 04, 2013, 06:03:34 am
So a rose type character then? It sounds cool in theory, but I feel like their execution is going to suck dick.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on December 05, 2013, 12:24:35 pm
Well, don't take my words that serious...it's just a THEORY, not official confirmation or whatever(even it would be a good concept!).
As SFxT comic said, Pandora is an Ingrid's creation, and it seems to be her "evil" energy or whatever. We're ok to that point. And...that's NOT OFFICIAL in capcom's canon. So...it's possible or not. It's as Karin in SFZ and CFJ...not coming from an official story but had the likes of Capcom.
Anyway, what I thought was more a Mokujin-like character, since she "possesses" fighters during a brief time, darkening their skins, and etc,so, "taking" ther fighting styles would be possible.
Now, let's center in what's confirmed: 5th character is a woman. Never playable. And it's related to the SF story. ---> Let's theoryze: - Makoto was once belieft to be Gouken's daughter, what was erased to the canon and giving her another name family and all. May it be Gouken's daughter possessed by Pandora? Her background story could be parallel to Ryu's: a fighter learning from other fighting styles(hey hey hey!! she's learning another styles!!) because she wants to...avenge her dad and possibly defeat Ryu for the sake of it. I know, this is bullshit. BUT! was not Pandora to be suppossed to take everyone's worst wishes? tadáh! - This girl/woman NEEDS to be super-well related to the canon. Any of ShadowLaw DOLLS' are a chance, it's just...hair-swapping Cammy and few tweaks...Enero, Fèvrier, Marz, Aprile...they're kinda easy to translate if they keep the Cammy vibe. - FENG SHUI JURI: She seems to have defeaten Seth in SSF4 and ALL the power of the Tandem Engine lies in her eyeball. Maybe this could change her? Dunno. But if it's this, the truth about this 5th character would be 50% real: Juri WAS playable.
These are all the stupids ideas I have. I'm 99% sure that none of these could be materialized in USF4, so...we'll have to wait!!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Syone on December 05, 2013, 12:39:08 pm
maybe its a experimental doll merged with twelve from sf3 ran off wolverine style :)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 05, 2013, 01:37:20 pm
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what's confirmed: 5th character is a woman
Nope. Not confirmed, that's a rumor that popped along with the last one that was bullshit.
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Tandem
Tanden, not tandem.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on December 05, 2013, 01:38:41 pm
Nope. Not confirmed, that's a rumor that popped along with the last one that was bullshit.
Oooopss!! then my WHOLE theory is wrong D:!
Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 05, 2013, 01:41:30 pm
By the way, when I say it popped along with the other one, I mean it popped around the same time, it wasn't directly part of it, so even though the last one was bullshit, it doesn't make this one part of it - but it was still a really random "leak" that was done in a similar style as the other (Facebook chat or tweet or whatever it was). It's not confirmed, it's a very vague rumor that is more likely to be false but that still has a chance.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Basara Dandy on December 05, 2013, 02:21:33 pm
I don't know, I'm still thinking it's Decapre or any of Final Fight chars that hasn't appeared on SF/CVS yet, and I'll still thinking that until Capcom release the game, or the news, which comes first
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Syone on December 05, 2013, 02:24:53 pm
it's Roll
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on December 05, 2013, 02:37:20 pm
No it's Effie.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on December 05, 2013, 02:41:19 pm
We all know who it really is!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on December 05, 2013, 03:05:33 pm
Yeah, it's Skullomania!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DAN_HIBIKI on December 05, 2013, 03:28:34 pm
Kung Fu Man: I agree. There definitely need to be Skullomania. Or at least, Evil Ken.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on December 05, 2013, 03:38:39 pm
Its Eliza and she's gonna play exactly like SilentRipper's one.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on December 05, 2013, 03:42:10 pm
Kung Fu Man: I agree. There definitely need to be Skullomania. Or at least, Evil Ken.
for a second i thought kfm had posted and you were replying to him, what the heck, dude.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on December 05, 2013, 03:57:49 pm
He started from here (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1873660).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Mgbenz on December 05, 2013, 04:02:44 pm
Wait isn't he that annoying Dan roleplayer?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on December 05, 2013, 04:08:30 pm
Yep... ban ended.
No witty reply on the 5th character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on December 05, 2013, 04:21:02 pm
Annoying Dan roleplayer? I'm not even going to ask...
What if they're fucking trolling us and it's not even a character at all? What if it's literally just pandora mode being integrated into SF4? If that's the case, then I'd imagine that once you activate it, the character you're playing as would die (like in SFxT) but instead of a tag partner coming out possessed by pandora, it would be Pandora itself (Orochi style) and it would play with whatever fighting style your original character had.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 05, 2013, 06:04:54 pm
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What if it's literally just pandora mode being integrated into SF4?
They never said anything about Pandora, it's always only been a fifth character. Why would it be Pandora mode ? The community is the only one talking about it/her. Not to mention the character is supposed to fit perfectly in the SF continuity / the SF universe.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 05, 2013, 06:27:46 pm
yep , that is why a lot of people are guessing that it's either a final fight character or a sf plot only character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 地獄の花 on December 05, 2013, 07:18:36 pm
i don't need new gimmicks all i want is a karin or an ingrid.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on December 05, 2013, 08:05:46 pm
Well I'm stumped then... :( I hope it's a familiar face and not some new character that they're going to try and force feed us like they did with Abel ._.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Websta on December 05, 2013, 08:12:31 pm
Whatcha talkin' bout brah? Abel is awesome :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on December 05, 2013, 08:18:16 pm
You can upgrade from AE2012. Early June 2014 for the console (digital), August 2014 for PCs and console retail (http://www.capcom-unity.com/combofiend/blog/2013/12/05/capcom-cup-schedule-and-usfiv-release-information) (special sale in place for the delayed release).
Also contains the Capcom Cup schedule.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on December 05, 2013, 08:18:55 pm
June? Thats a lot of time!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on December 05, 2013, 08:28:14 pm
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on December 05, 2013, 10:31:26 pm
erm... all of those "bison is dead, rose is dead, gen is dead" things were either taken from the kao megura "plot guides" or infered by fans repeating themselves over and over again.
Even Gouken reveal follows Ryu final method, having Gouken survived the fight by transcending humanity in the other direction that gouki went.
I dont understand how people dont get that the "dying warrior" thing with gen is his archetype, not his plot. He's not going to die unless he is replaced by a sequel character with his moveset.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on December 05, 2013, 10:35:49 pm
I think Gen also dies in the Udon comics but whatever, it's Udon.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on December 05, 2013, 10:59:52 pm
Maybe... to be honest the the SF timeline is so fucked.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 05, 2013, 11:01:38 pm
Bison did get Shun Goku Satsu'd (or Misogi'd depending on the version), and Gen's sickness wasn't supposed to let him leave too long, archetype or not.
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the SF timeline is so fucked.
Not at all, there isn't any ambiguity on the timeline whatsoever.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on December 05, 2013, 11:07:08 pm
Akuma before SF4: I killed like a million bitches Akuma after SF4: I killed Goutetsu until he shows up in an update(Ultra SF4 coming soon!)
A few more updates and he'll flat out be a pacifist.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 05, 2013, 11:07:54 pm
the whole point of bison getting shun goku satsu'd was that it kills the soul and thus is the only way to kill him, otherwise his soul will just get another body.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on December 05, 2013, 11:10:17 pm
Dkdc: Bison also gets killed a ton of times in street fighter alpha 3, I dont think its worth splitting hairs about how many more times he dies after that. At this point its pretty obvious he is a bodyswapper.
In alpha 3 you also have dying: Sodom Dan Hibiki Charlie Rose Blanka
and im pretty sure that a few more.
Caddie, he still killed Gouken. its another archetype. (http://fast1.onesite.com/capcom-unity.com/user/trueryu/large/79a2db548ba32226d145dc2935de186d.png?v=146400)
the whole point of bison getting shun goku satsu'd was that it kills the soul and thus is the only way to kill him, otherwise his soul will just get another body.
sure, now show me somewhere where that was stated, preferably during the game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 05, 2013, 11:15:05 pm
Dkdc: Bison also gets killed a ton of times in street fighter alpha 3, I dont think its worth splitting hairs about how many more times he dies after that. At this point its pretty obvious he is a bodyswapper.
SFZ was made to show that he was indeed a bodyswapper, yeah, hence the multiple deaths (not that all SFZ3 endings are canon at once though, like Dan and Blanka staying near the reactor that blew up). But they tried to say that the body in SF2 was his last and all, weaker and thinner, as an implicit retcon sort of thing. Until SF4, of course. No, they didn't contradict themselves, they just changed their minds, is what I'm trying to say.
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Akuma before SF4: I killed like a million bitches
No. Unless you mean the US version, in which his portrayal is vastly different from the Japanese one.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on December 05, 2013, 11:18:40 pm
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But they tried to say that the body in SF2 was his last and all, weaker and thinner, as an implicit retcon sort of thing. Until SF4, of course.
I honestly never saw that in anyway during the games. It always come off as people making conjecture based on him not returning after.
Remember that sf2 was retold in what, five games? and only one of them had akuma shungokusatsuing him, with people claiming "his soul was dead". Another thing that was never said anywhere.
The plotguide that everyone liked so much ( and assumed rose was dead and so was guy because he took rose ) was a lot of conjecture , it ignored a ton of stuff to make up one possible storyline that the games never really adhered to.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 05, 2013, 11:21:05 pm
I honestly never saw that in anyway during the games.
That's why I said implicit. It wasn't said in the games, especially not in SF2 itself since SFZ didn't even exist at the time. I'm saying, when they made SF2, they showed him dying. Then in SFZ3, they changed their mind and showed him as a bodyswapper. But until SF4 the unsaid word was that the SF2 body was the last. Keyword being unsaid, especially not in the many remakes. And then they changed their mind with SF4. But they didn't contradict themselves, they just changed their mind with the wiggle room they had left themselves.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on December 05, 2013, 11:53:20 pm
Akuma before SF4: I killed like a million bitches Akuma after SF4: I killed Goutetsu until he shows up in an update(Ultra SF4 coming soon!)
A few more updates and he'll flat out be a pacifist.
The SGS kinda sucks as a killing move huh
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on December 05, 2013, 11:54:56 pm
You know, why is this "timeline" taken so seriously? As long as my favorite characters reappear, I'll be happy, regardless of timelines.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: videoman on December 06, 2013, 01:50:01 am
I'm going to say this once they need to take note on the other game's story modes because just rival battles and cut scenes isn't going to cut it anymore. To make it short better single player mode including story mode, optional announcers (Have the characters as the announcers) and in game commentary that you on or off!
The story in SF4 is a hit or miss to me it is a total miss far away from the target.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on December 06, 2013, 01:52:52 am
I'm going to say this once they need to take note on the other game's story modes because just rival battles and cut scenes isn't going to cut it anymore. To make it short better single player mode including story mode, optional announcers (Have the characters as the announcers) and in game commentary that you on or off!
All of those ideas sound great, but knowing Capcom... :_blank:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: videoman on December 06, 2013, 02:00:31 am
I'm going to say this once they need to take note on the other game's story modes because just rival battles and cut scenes isn't going to cut it anymore. To make it short better single player mode including story mode, optional announcers (Have the characters as the announcers) and in game commentary that you on or off!
All of those ideas sound great, but knowing Capcom... :_blank:
I know the chances are slim ugh! :_blank:
I tried asking them in the ask Capcom page and they gave me nothing!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on December 06, 2013, 02:12:12 am
Battle Commentary would make the game for me, especially with Akuma as the the announcer...... :smirk:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: felineki on December 06, 2013, 02:20:00 am
Akuma before SF4: I killed like a million bitches Akuma after SF4: I killed Goutetsu until he shows up in an update(Ultra SF4 coming soon!)
A few more updates and he'll flat out be a pacifist.
Afaik Akuma never actually killed anyone besides Gouken (presumably) even before SFIV.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on December 06, 2013, 06:40:19 pm
One arm is longer than the other... in both images. Also, Akuma "killed" Gill in SF3, but since that was Gill... yeah.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Seadragon77 on December 06, 2013, 07:03:54 pm
Please tell me I'm not the only one here who cares less about the 'storyline' in the Street Fighter series?
It's such a damn mess. Just tell me who the 5th character is already and let me either enjoy the fact that I was right in calling it (I personally want someone from Saturday Night Slam Masters in it because that game somehow is connected to the Street Fighter storyline) or let me sulk in knowing I missed it by a mile.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on December 06, 2013, 10:41:26 pm
Akuma before SF4: I killed like a million bitches Akuma after SF4: I killed Goutetsu until he shows up in an update(Ultra SF4 coming soon!)
A few more updates and he'll flat out be a pacifist.
Afaik Akuma never actually killed anyone besides Gouken (presumably) even before SFIV.
I think the point of akuma is that he actually killed a fuckton of people as per the original purpose of the fighting style ansatsuken (assassins fist, a blanket term sure) and the full potential of the style being called satsui no hadou (murderous surge with the intent to kill, or just killing intent), so it'd be silly to think he didn't kill anyone specifically since he said he only challenges the strongest warriors to battle to the death and the only reason gen is alive is because he's dying anyway otherwise akuma would've killed them in their prior battle, and adon because he wasn't what akuma would consider strong, just too arrogant
also satsui no hado ryu (whose vocabulary basically consists of "kill" "I'll kill you" and "die"), the shun goku satsu (which is implied gets stronger depending on how many people you killed or how many your victim has)
yea he's a killer, they're just trying to downplay his "villainy"
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 06, 2013, 10:53:15 pm
Even if that was correct, you still couldn't say he killed "millions". A dozen at most, and all of them in a life or death battle where both fighters know what's going to happen. Hell, underground fighters definitely have a higher killcount than him. He precisely doesn't kill people like Adon. The Japanese rendition of Gouki was never emphasized to be "evil", it's the American localization that makes him threaten to kill everyone he sees, so there really isn't anything to downplay in the first place. What's true here is that the US localization (and by default the localization for the entire Western part of the world) has been trying to get closer and closer to the original Japanese version for a while, hence this feeling that he's getting toned down as a mass murderer. edit - oh, by the way, even that isn't right, his lines in MvC3 and SF4 are still completely different from the Japanese voices to the English voices, what's changed is the perception and talks outside of the content of the games, and people were disregarding the stuff that isn't in the games themselves just then.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on December 07, 2013, 12:57:46 am
i gotcha, but note that villainy is in quotes, notifying that while akuma gouki (imma go with gouki this time around, since akuma literally means fucking devil and is stupid/defeats the purpose of his "moral ambiguity") is not a villain, he is not a "hero" either in the traditional sense; precisely, he did kill his master and up until some time ago, his brother. hes what you would call a blood knight, someone who only lives to fight, and death is just what comes from it (not someone who just enjoys killing along with the fight, ie a murderer/serial killer, ie freeman)
the reason I brought up snh ryu (notice I didn't put evil, not even in the other post) is because he may have been what gouki was before he learned to control his killing intent (killkillkill), which is only brought out in ansatsu fighters who only want to win and nothing else (notice the parallel between post-alpha ryu and gouki, Ryu doesn't care about winning/losing, only the fight, and the meaning behind it while gouki is the same, with the bonus in his killing intent) in that regard you can think of them both as modern day samurai with differing philosophies on life and death
also of note gouki has done a number of heroic things, but a few of them have been to test his own limits (alpha 3 killing dictator, cvs2, cfj going to outer ducking space to save to earth from a comet by attacking it)
i personally like his ambiguity but characterization marches on (and retcons)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Prototype God on December 07, 2013, 01:05:56 am
Didn't Gouki/Akuma blow up a submarine in his third strike ending or some shit?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 07, 2013, 01:24:00 am
No. He punched a sunken, empty boat. Which was lying at the bottom of the ocean. As in, he went to the bottom of the ocean, and kicked a boat back to the surface. The submarine was the one with people in it, and it was unharmed, as was the other boat at the surface (or at least there was no destroyed submarine in the middle of the destroyed boat that was shot back to the surface). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Wl0BvGa_A
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 地獄の花 on December 07, 2013, 01:36:05 am
isn't there a pre-battle quote in zero3 where guy said something about a person he didn't want gouki to face and somehow implying that this man is related to the bushin style.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 07, 2013, 01:54:59 am
yeah, i think it ws guy's master something , since in ff2 his master is a very old dude, but guy tends to fight a bushin master that is only middle aged.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kasumi1030 on December 07, 2013, 02:28:15 am
Does anyone want to go to Capcom Cup with me Next Saturday?
Edit: Or I meant to say meet there.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on December 07, 2013, 07:49:51 am
I wish. That would require a plane ticket... and taking off work. ¬_¬
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on December 07, 2013, 10:15:33 am
Please tell me I'm not the only one here who cares less about the 'storyline' in the Street Fighter series?
It's such a damn mess. Just tell me who the 5th character is already and let me either enjoy the fact that I was right in calling it (I personally want someone from Saturday Night Slam Masters in it because that game somehow is connected to the Street Fighter storyline) or let me sulk in knowing I missed it by a mile.
MC2 would be the other person who care less about the storyline
the thing is, sometime the story pretty much Determines which characters gana be in the game, take Charlie NAsh for example, since his supposed to be dead , his not gana be in any more SF games
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on December 07, 2013, 10:29:23 am
Please tell me I'm not the only one here who cares less about the 'storyline' in the Street Fighter series?
It's such a damn mess. Just tell me who the 5th character is already and let me either enjoy the fact that I was right in calling it (I personally want someone from Saturday Night Slam Masters in it because that game somehow is connected to the Street Fighter storyline) or let me sulk in knowing I missed it by a mile.
MC2 would be the other person who care less about the storyline
the thing is, sometime the story pretty much Determines which characters gana be in the game, take Charlie NAsh for example, since his supposed to be dead , his not gana be in any more SF games
Or so you may think?!...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on December 07, 2013, 10:41:03 am
I care about the story in a lot of fighters, but Street Fighter isn't one of them. SF games are less focused on the fluff, practical upshot of which is they don't have to randomly reboot the cast every three or five games and make everyone hip teena- shit, SF3...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on December 10, 2013, 07:49:59 am
According to Combofiend (Capcom employee if you don't know), the 5th character is male and his frame data is broken at the moment. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=93151333&postcount=464)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on December 10, 2013, 08:05:14 am
It's Sean.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on December 10, 2013, 08:09:50 am
(http://i.imgur.com/cz9wBZR.jpg) Please don't read into the names.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Poemi Watanabe on December 10, 2013, 08:22:25 am
What he means is, "According to a guy on Neogaf who says he knows a guy who spoke to Combofiend". As much as I don't want it to be something as halfassed as a Cammy clone with a claw, perhaps this doesn't quite rule it out.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on December 10, 2013, 03:21:44 pm
Last time "someone talked to someone who knows Combo" it turned out to be right, so I don't see the point in disregarding it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Basara Dandy on December 10, 2013, 03:34:21 pm
According to Combofiend (Capcom employee if you don't know), the 5th character is male and his frame data is broken at the moment. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=93151333&postcount=464)
It's not that I don't like Dean as an option, but how many grapplers are we getting in Ultra? :(
Apart of his super and his normal grabs/throws, Dean isn't precisely another grappler character in FF3 (as always, Haggar is the king on that matter), but another electricity user as Blanka and C.Viper, so could be a cool hit if Capcom really is thinking about use him for USF4. But as you know, all of this is just speculation (but I hope not)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on December 10, 2013, 06:00:00 pm
yeah he is getting cole mcgrath moveset.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: YagamiBrando on December 10, 2013, 06:04:20 pm
...and how that picture summarized the popular guesses.
In no way. This pic is Just For Fun.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on December 11, 2013, 06:42:33 pm
Let's see. Not selectable in SF----> Everyone but Ryu, Ken. And able to change fighting style: Only Gen. Who was/is playable.
And why not fucking no one reminds that RETSU practices Shaolin(Shorinji kempo). Those guys changes styles? Yes, of course, you got Lei Fei from Virtua Fighter.
Enough guessing for today. It will not be him at all.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on December 11, 2013, 07:00:02 pm
wasnt the style change thing a baseless rumor
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 11, 2013, 07:22:30 pm
Based on someone from Capcom saying SFxTK helped the R&D push further something they'd been wanting to do for a long time, coupled with another comment that they loved Lei Wulong's style change.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on December 11, 2013, 07:25:20 pm
its going to be a tag team character of juni and juli that fight as the charactes did in sf x tk
make that goutetsu and dan's dad.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 11, 2013, 07:47:12 pm
make it dan's dad so he can switch between shoto and muay thai styles.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on December 11, 2013, 08:14:06 pm
Based on someone from Capcom saying SFxTK helped the R&D push further something they'd been wanting to do for a long time, coupled with another comment that they loved Lei Wulong's style change.
I really wish that I could find this interview that I read on Eventhubs because I just realized the other day that they MAY have been referring to Tekken characters extended combos in general and not just something specific to Lei. at the very least I can confirm without a doubt that they will definitely be recycling some attributes from a Tekken character or two.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 11, 2013, 08:17:05 pm
(I believe the R&D thing was a comment entirely unrelated to the Lei comment) The R&D thing was for Tekken-like extended combos ? That's a bit underwhelming, but quite a change from Street Fighter, the most they did was Target Combos in 3 and 4.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lichtbringer on December 12, 2013, 12:01:38 am
make it dan's dad so he can switch between shoto and muay thai styles.
That would be Epic. *_*
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on December 12, 2013, 01:51:47 am
Trollno's at it again. (http://p.twpl.jp/show/orig/2ffnl)
I'd like to see more Street Fighter characters using stances and whatnot (give Blanka follow-up's from his backdash, Dudley having follow-ups from his Cross Counter state, etc...)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on December 12, 2013, 01:54:42 am
I dont get it , who is he trolling by buying a ps4
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on December 12, 2013, 02:01:54 am
No one, I just wanted to type that for once.
But let's say USF4 does get a next gen release... would it get an XB1 version? It probably wouldn't (to answer my own question); I mean, Microsoft is committed to pushing Killer Instinct, and Injustice didn't get an XB1 release. But a next-gen USF4 would get guaranteed FGC sales.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on December 12, 2013, 03:23:56 am
Let's wait for the Capcom Cup this weekend. They are goingo to make some kind of announcement and who knows, maybe for the first time is not crap that no one is not interested about.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on December 12, 2013, 03:32:21 am
According to Combofiend (Capcom employee if you don't know), the 5th character is male and his frame data is broken at the moment. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=93151333&postcount=464)
One says: "The 5th is female" / Other says: "The 5th is male"
Oh goddamnitbullassholeshit.... The better choice for now is wait to USF4 be released to see WHO IS the 5TH SHIT CHARACTER! Ç_Ç
I'm no surprised if the 5th char is a TROLL CHARACTER.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Cazaki on December 12, 2013, 05:09:51 am
Chill
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Luis Alejandro on December 12, 2013, 06:22:12 am
Mannn hugo sucks. I'm so dissapointed. I wanted to keep playing with him but people were being dickheads and playing there mains
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on December 12, 2013, 12:02:28 pm
That reminds me when super come out and there was this one stream that had a terrified dude that kept picking ryu while everyone else was picking random new characters to try out their new moves.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on December 12, 2013, 12:33:23 pm
That happens in every single stream ever showcasing an early build of a new game. And I hate those guys. And then you have the ones who pick a new character and spam crouching LP :|
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on December 12, 2013, 03:58:42 pm
But let's say USF4 does get a next gen release... would it get an XB1 version? It probably wouldn't (to answer my own question); I mean, Microsoft is committed to pushing Killer Instinct, and Injustice didn't get an XB1 release. But a next-gen USF4 would get guaranteed FGC sales.
You bring up a good point.
The "For the Players" viral ads from PS4 include Hadouken Cabs, and Ryu. Now there's the Producer showing pics of Blanka and a PS4 ... we may be getting ULTRA on PS4 soon.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on December 12, 2013, 04:06:52 pm
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Hadoken Cabs Street Fighter Taxis Taxis of Street Fighter Tx SF
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Quasi-Tick on December 14, 2013, 03:19:36 am
Hoping it is a brand new character, instead of just somebody like Goutetsu, Zeku, or Hagger!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on December 14, 2013, 04:21:11 am
Hoping it is a brand new character, instead of just somebody like Goutetsu, Zeku, or Hagger!
Haggar is in MvC3 series. So, he can't appear.
---- I don't know who are Zeku D: -----
Goutetsu will be a HELL YES choice. If the 5th character are not a female, i hope Goutetsu joins the party.... The only thing i'm afraid is the Capcom's explanation of HOW GOUTETSU SURVIVED TO A FUCKING SHUN GOKU SATSU? O_O
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on December 14, 2013, 04:33:47 am
considering how many people have survived it it wouldnt be too hard to explain
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 14, 2013, 07:11:07 am
was he even suposed to get one, iirc the only ones who got defeated by that were gen and dictator and the sgs was useless against gen because the way his soul works/is.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [SX] on December 14, 2013, 08:32:27 am
The "For the Players" viral ads from PS4 include Hadouken Cabs, and Ryu. Now there's the Producer showing pics of Blanka and a PS4 ... we may be getting ULTRA on PS4 soon.
I really afraid about USF4 PS4 release ! I don't want buy PS4 for one game BUT if i see new PS4 enhanced feature for USF4 (like graphic boost, native 1080P, new exclusive chars/modes/Stages ...) :wink3:
and yes if the 5th character are not a female, Goutetsu is probably the best choise
For the moment, Capcom maybe "test" several possibilities ? (Decapre is just an option ?)
although I still do not understand why alex is not in USF4
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Cazaki on December 14, 2013, 08:42:04 am
why is any character from the sf universe not in usf4 i dont have enough palms for my face
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kasumi1030 on December 14, 2013, 09:36:25 am
I know this thread isn't meant for Marvel, but since it's the most active and related to Capcom/ SF. I thought I'd let you guys know that Capcom won't be having MvC things online on psn or xbox live for much longer...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on December 14, 2013, 07:21:44 pm
This was bound to happen. How will anyone get the wallet-raping DLC now? Also, Marvel's got another glitch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=mfPQu2DlvZo&t=42) that will never be patched (not worth embedding the video).
Back to USF4, the "new" stages are being showcased in this weekend's build (http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/dec/14/capcom-cup-location-test-retains-brand-new-build-usf4-new-stages-included-check-out-reported-change-list-here/) (source: Eventhubs).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on December 14, 2013, 09:36:34 pm
male character... BROKEN frame data... (http://i.imgur.com/FzbDPJt.jpg) it's time for this stupid asshole to make his debut in the big leagues
If you think about it, Brokken is really the combination of Inspector Gadget and M.Bison. Wowzers!!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on December 14, 2013, 10:19:42 pm
I'm just gonna call this right now so it's out in the open.
It's gonna be an exclusive character (Hadouken Cabs PS ad)
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Delsin Rowe from Infamous: Second Son (http://www.gamersyde.com/news_ps4_infamous_second_son_announced-13814.jpg)
May god have mercy on Capcom's soul should I even be REMOTELY correct...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on December 14, 2013, 10:22:09 pm
Weren't the rest of the ads that were like HadoUken Cabs shown to not be affiliated with the originating companies. And thus Hadoken is spelled with a U?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on December 14, 2013, 10:27:37 pm
Rather than just 1 new char and 4 SFXT ports, they better start adding something meaningful and fresh, heck even more chars would be awesome. The tentative July release date for the console version has pretty much killed my interest towards both this game and AE 2012. Ultra is looking pretty underwhelming so far and we don't even know what kind of changes besides game balance they're going to do. I would like to know more about the extra modes and all that shit mentioned in the very first reveal video.
I can't even play AE because I know everything I did is going to be meaningless once Ultra is out. They'll have to reset everything once they move from GFWL to steamworks.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on December 14, 2013, 10:29:54 pm
They're taking a long time to reveal the 5th char too.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Luis Alejandro on December 14, 2013, 10:41:10 pm
I regret not playing elena when I had the chance. Going to play her when ultra drops
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on December 14, 2013, 10:45:33 pm
I'm gonna try Rolento Elena and Mr 5th Mystery Piss
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on December 14, 2013, 10:55:46 pm
I can't even play AE because I know everything I did is going to be meaningless once Ultra is out.
Muscle memory? Spacing? Fundamentals? Footises? Not really. Or are you talking about something that was already meaningless like BP/PP?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 14, 2013, 10:57:13 pm
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/12/14/ultra-street-fighter-iv-new-modes-stages-trailer-inside/ System (Red Focus, Double Ultra) and mode trailer. There's an elimination mode, which is a team mode survival (3v3, each player keeps going until he's down). Online training also makes the jump from SFxTK.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on December 14, 2013, 11:36:11 pm
Stages and stage select screen. Lots of yellow and orange.
I can't even play AE because I know everything I did is going to be meaningless once Ultra is out.
Muscle memory? Spacing? Fundamentals? Footises? Not really. Or are you talking about something that was already meaningless like BP/PP?
Well, not really about BP and PP since I suck and always lose online but it just feels bad to gather all those titles from doing different tasks (Playing online, completing trials, finishing arcade mode with all the characters, getting achievements) when I know I'll lose them all in a few months :P. So yeah, I'd rather just play something where I can actually obtain some progression keep it.
I already had the retail version of AE but recently bought it on steam just to be able to have the (Currently) complete pack (And for cheap, yay steam sales and trading) and be ready to upgrade it to Ultra but damn, I had the impression that we were just a few months away from the release, not that far :(
That reminds me, I wonder if we're going to get new color (Effect) 11 and 12 for the characters or will Capcom just keep the current ones? And hell, hope they actually give us a way to unlock them for PC, the only way to unlock them for default costumes is via hacking so far.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: City_Hunter on December 15, 2013, 01:30:28 am
well i dont know if you guys saw it but here a video showing hugo and rolento
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=697oz2jHwUw
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Karasai on December 15, 2013, 01:48:41 am
Does Rolento have a new voice
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on December 15, 2013, 01:57:29 am
All the characters who come from SFXT have a new voiceset. I expected that after SFXT having new voices for the SFIV characters.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on December 15, 2013, 02:30:30 am
Confirmed female character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on December 15, 2013, 02:32:15 am
fucking troll
im glad retsu was dis/de/unconfirmed tho
and haggar because that was stupid speculation
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on December 15, 2013, 02:37:28 am
there's eliza masters as well as all the dolls, all the chicks form final fight and let's not forget about blanka's mom.
These characters already have a name. That old leaked information showed about: the name of the new fighter was being decided by Capcom staff, including an internal competition had been done.
Based on that then we can say that the Dolls, Eliza, any female character from Final Fight, and others who have participated even indirectly the Universe Street Fighter / Final Fight are deconfirmed. Posted: December 15, 2013, 04:18:00 am And probably the only female character that has NO name, within the universe of Street Fighter or Final Fight (At least as far as I can remember), is in fact the lost daughter of Gouken. Posted: December 15, 2013, 04:21:14 am And I heard an interesting and cool rumor, that character will determine the future of Chun-Li as a fighter, and a way to quit doing the fights, since there is no more reason to keep fighting. It would be Chun-Li's last rival.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on December 15, 2013, 04:30:57 am
Looks like I was wrong... again. No more posts about the new character from me.
Posted: December 15, 2013, 04:21:14 am And I heard an interesting and cool rumor, that character will determine the future of Chun-Li as a fighter, and a way to quit doing the fights, since there is no more reason to keep fighting. It would be Chun-Li's last rival.
That would fit more for a Chun Li's student than a rival. Like that girl she trained in her SF3 ending. I would say "wait, she would be even younger than in that ending and probably wouldn't even know chun li at the time SF4 happens" but lol SF canon.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on December 15, 2013, 04:45:44 am
These characters already have a name. That old leaked information showed about: the name of the new fighter was being decided by Capcom staff, including an internal competition had been done.
lmao @ you thinking those leaks had any credibility
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on December 15, 2013, 04:53:05 am
Because of this: http://www.hadoken.net/?p=6112
=D Posted: December 15, 2013, 04:56:51 am Another good[very GOOD] choice is putting the indian girl from Street Fighter II Anime Movie.
Buuuuuuuuuut..... Who cares XD
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on December 15, 2013, 04:58:54 am
Those were obvious fakes, badly done, nothing in it held any water and you never saw the flyers with the blotch popping anywhere.
(http://i.imgur.com/c4oNXTA.png) remember the picture with that blobby silhouette that most people discredited. well, i've obtained a leak revealing who it is - surprisingly enough it's not a female character, and there won't be a naming contest because this is an existing character. he hasn't been in street fighter before, but now he makes him debut.
(http://i.imgur.com/iUslBew.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on December 15, 2013, 04:59:41 am
correctly guessing a character being male or female is 50/50
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on December 15, 2013, 06:13:16 am
its gonna be mel
ono's said the character is female but then hes gonna say "lolol may have said it wasnt male, but i never said it wasnt mel hohoo"
and hes gonna be like 15 even tho hes a newborn in super and like 7 in sf3
also at the end of the announcement he had the crowd stand up and say shoryuken
fuck
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 15, 2013, 06:34:10 am
These characters already have a name. That old leaked information showed about: the name of the new fighter was being decided by Capcom staff, including an internal competition had been done.
what old leaked information? the Iced just reposted, if so? lol.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: rgveda99 on December 15, 2013, 12:48:10 pm
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Mgbenz on December 15, 2013, 06:54:33 pm
This is what she actually looks like in the game.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img22/828/3c9h.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on December 15, 2013, 06:56:41 pm
i dont remember street fighter 2 having those graphics
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Mgbenz on December 15, 2013, 07:03:03 pm
Okay, in the games. Not the cartoon. The games.
Gah with the nitpicking.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Cazaki on December 15, 2013, 07:08:56 pm
She was never in the games. You mean the artbook of the games, or something along those lines. Either way, she's a completely irrelevant character that no one cares about among many characters we've discussed in this topic that no one cares about.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on December 15, 2013, 07:21:46 pm
...but they were in the games. (http://www.cammyfan.com/GIFs/cammy-sf2/cam2-end3.gif)
btw long hair for 5th char pls
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on December 15, 2013, 07:32:12 pm
those filler character designs are really bad
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on December 15, 2013, 08:39:23 pm
I remember seeing those in the ending just as the above post shows from the game. I actually love the art style. Watch the "Giant Cyborg in a Beret" be the 5th character. It'll just be Hugo's frame with Cammy's animations. :woeh:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on December 15, 2013, 08:49:04 pm
welcome to the early nineties welcome to street fighter
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on December 16, 2013, 04:15:19 pm
Contrary to Rednavi's claim about this update being the UN-HYPEST thing ever to have existed, I hereby proclaim ULTRA will be the best fucking Street Fighter ever to have existed.
Love that there'll be KOF 3vs3 Turns mode + 5 new characters + 5 new stages + fucking EVERYTHING. I'll upgrade on Xbox, and buy a retail copy for my PS3. I WILL FIGHT YOU ALL (and have a 20% win ratio, like always)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on December 16, 2013, 04:19:43 pm
is there a date? Ive been on the fence over getting the arcade patch for ages and i would rather buy this version with all the costumes and stuff.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on December 16, 2013, 04:21:48 pm
Getting rid of GFWL alone makes this the best update ever, but I'm not gonna hold my breath waiting for it for almost 8 months, I'll probably be playing many other things to give a crap about Ultra :P
Heck, even MGR:R will come out before Ultra. I may as well pick that up instead.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Why not PC? It has the best online connection >:C
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 16, 2013, 04:32:18 pm
is there a date? Ive been on the fence over getting the arcade patch for ages and i would rather buy this version with all the costumes and stuff.
The console date is for June (no exact day yet) but IINM the retail version will be available like a month after the upgrade download, I think. PC is for August. By the way, the patch works for regular SSF4 too I believe.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on December 16, 2013, 04:42:24 pm
Yes, it works with Chocolate SSF4. And I think they'll be releasing it on the second week of June to have at least one month of practice for EVO2K14.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on December 16, 2013, 04:47:20 pm
june?!! thats over half a year from now =C
Five characters isnt hype enough for me in so long from now.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on December 16, 2013, 04:49:35 pm
And you "only" have to wait until June arrives. I have to wait until August, would've been a good birthday self-present if it had the same release date for both consoles and PC :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: GOH on December 16, 2013, 04:56:17 pm
It's hard to keep up with who you are, but yeah, I'd expect a post like that from you.
It's the SF game with the largest roster ever, with most variety from the different SF timelines and franchises. It plays well, and continue to be refined for tournament play to the point where we'll be playing this for another 5 years at least, for a whooping total of 10 years.
And if you think playing with those 4 characters in the mess that was SFxT means anything, you're hahahaha
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on December 16, 2013, 05:16:23 pm
if certain characters still have just cinematically (is that a word, spellcheck says its not, anyway i mean they just tack camera angles on the same fucking move so yea) different ultras than their supers (t. hawk with his fucking ultra 1 where its the same as his super he just fucking sits down on you, which is fucking awesome, except he should have a completely different standalone super, deejay with the only difference between his ultra 1 and super being the final hit, an uppercut/downward roundhouse respectively, fucking ryu with a fucking cinematic before the same fucking shinkuu hadouken except its purple this time and he says metsu ooh, etc etc etc)
then fuck this game
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on December 16, 2013, 05:19:39 pm
if certain characters still have just cinematically different ultras than their supers, then fuck this game
well then, fuck it SF4 since it was born, because that's how it's been all along, and since Capcom didn't see it like a BUG but like a feature, they ain't changing it.
Anyhoo, yeah, I hate that in Guile and Dee Jay :(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 16, 2013, 05:21:29 pm
I don't see why you even think they might revisit everyone's Ultra animations. Ryu has Shinkuu Hadoken and Metsu Hadoken, no way that's gonna change.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on December 16, 2013, 05:24:03 pm
When you think about it, looking back on when Vanilla SF4 came out, and how everybody only had only 1 Ultra ...
... and both Super + Ultra were the same for certain characters, and that was all you had. That was a little bit sad. But that's why we got Ultra 2!
Not to mention, there's barely any reason to use Supers, when you need that for EX moves, and Ultras are free.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 16, 2013, 05:25:13 pm
All it costs you is that you need to get pummeled.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on December 16, 2013, 05:35:17 pm
But supers/ultras have always been souped-up versions of special moves (besides a few exceptions).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on December 16, 2013, 06:03:07 pm
Supers and Ultras being the same move, one just more powerful than the other was a concept that worked fine in vanilla but it looks quite lazy from super to ahead. Sadly I don't see that being changed at all, everybody got used to the current supers and ultras by now to change it.
At least most of the new characters from SSFIV to ahead completely dropped that since they were introduced in by the time two ultras were a thing.
All it costs you is that you need to get pummeled.
You can always focus guard everything >:D
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on December 16, 2013, 06:05:08 pm
They are not going to change anything like that, so you are fucked.
Ultras are different from supers in more than animations and camera angles. Normally Supers are faster and have less startup than Ultras, but Ultras have more invincible frames; you have more chances to land Ultras because the revenge bar charges faster, but it doesn't carry over the rounds. Damage is variable. You cant buffer an Ultra (Ibuki, Viper and some other characters say hello, but the norm is you can't). etc. etc. etc. etc.
Every person who plays the game knows this. I can understand people like cosmetic changes, but there's a lot more to the update than it... so if you are playing the game for this kind of things, just stay with something more flashy like UMVC3.
@walt: There are certain characters than need their super, with Gen being one of them... anyone else, just use the Super if you are on the winning round and you are going to win the fight with it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on December 16, 2013, 06:37:26 pm
Well... like, we were discussing the animations of both supers and ultras and why they're similar for certain characters. Anything else like invul frames, priority and speed are irrelevant and we already know that kind of data...
...I know we're not FGC high tier level players who #YOLO everyday on twitter but don't underestimate our intelligence like that, gives us some credit :|
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on December 16, 2013, 06:41:03 pm
I'm not a high level player, and I didn't underestimate anyone.
I was trying to point out that Ultras and Supers have a purpose beyond looking pretty.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 16, 2013, 06:43:19 pm
It's not like you can't give different frame data if you use a different move altogether for the ultra. Frame data was completely irrelevant to the bit about ultras being the same move over and again.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on December 16, 2013, 06:43:46 pm
And what they're (we're?) saying is that regardless of their purpose, you can't change the color of a move and add a zoom-in and expect us to NOT think that's kinda lazy. Most of the Ultra's are cinematic anyway, so changing the animation itself and keeping the damage the same wouldn't affect anything other than appeasing those of us that are tired of looking at "OOH 3 FLASH KICKS INSTEAD OF TWO, SO EDGY". y'know?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on December 17, 2013, 01:01:36 am
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on December 17, 2013, 01:04:05 am
I have no once found a good moment to use Akuma's Ultra 2.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on December 17, 2013, 01:11:09 am
You can cancel his teleport into U2, so you can actually combo into it. But yeah... also, another thing is that U2's look (For the most part) absolutely stupid (See, Akuma's U2)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on December 17, 2013, 01:26:48 am
It all depends on perspective. If 100% of the characters I main got actually useful or cool U2 (like Ryu's Shin Shoryuken, Rose's Orbs, or Guile's Sonic Hurricane for, or Dan's Haoh Gadoken, or ... ) more power to me, a "casual".
In the end, Tournament players will continue to EX Tatsu // Srk FADC -> Metsu Hadouken, no matter how fucking absolutely awesome Shin Shoryuken is.
This is one of those cases were "The more, the merrier"
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on December 17, 2013, 01:40:38 am
It's not really perspective, most of them are useless or look dumb, or both, and I'm talking from both a casual and a "tourneytard" point of view too, would you rather have Akuma's cool U1? Or that piece of shit-looking U2 with that dumb command? Why would someone use Rufus' U2 or Balrog's U2? What about the absolutely shitty counter U2 moves? Why would you use Gen's Mantis U2 (yeah you can actually combo into it from EX hands) over U1? Not only it looks cooler but it doesn't scale as much, also that grey damage thing they did was the worst, Roses orbs are pretty useless now, etc.
I know there's a couple of useful or cool looking ones (Oni's, Dictator's, Guy's...), but they tend to be the exception, not the rule. They're sorta buffing some Ultra 2's in this new revision so whatever.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on December 17, 2013, 01:42:03 am
You can cancel his teleport into U2, so you can actually combo into it. But yeah... also, another thing is that U2's look (For the most part) absolutely stupid (See, Akuma's U2)
You know what I dislike the most? How Akuma lands after the move. He just lands like normal with his standing pose looking away from the opponent like if we were talking about a 3D game from the early 90's with recycled and lazy animation.
Eh... I disagree with Rose's U2. I find it very cool and more useful than U1. I like how annoying the orbs are and I never used the invul frames from SSFIV anyway.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on December 17, 2013, 01:05:19 pm
From TFG:
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And finally, Capcom's Yoshinori Ono also stated that the unannounced fifth new character to appear in Ultra Street Fighter IV is female, but gave no further details. However, he did mention that the new character is not R. Mika, Mike Haggar or Retsu... which supports his earlier statement that the new character has "never appeared in a Street Fighter game before."
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lost_Avenger on December 17, 2013, 01:11:06 pm
If it is a girl... why mention Haggar/Retsu?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 17, 2013, 01:17:32 pm
Because they were popular guesses before, even though it disregarded the previous hints that the char was new to the SF games and fighting games in general. Also it's like the third time this new comment from Ono is reported.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on December 17, 2013, 01:39:05 pm
These are the only possibilities I see (from what Capcom has presented to us) Eliza Master, A female Delta Red member, or a Shadaloo Doll. (http://i.imgur.com/rYIZkxB.png)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 17, 2013, 01:46:05 pm
I actually like how Akuma's U2 looks. And the teleport canceling into it also lets you punish some fireballs with correct timing.
Also it makes almost imposible to option-select teleports. Sometimes the Ultras work more as a deterrance, like Makotos U2 or Bison U2: They are "hard" to land, but makes your opponent think twice before throwing fireballs.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on December 17, 2013, 04:14:28 pm
Ho many people HAVE fallen for Hakan's U2?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on December 17, 2013, 04:17:03 pm
Am I the only one that is bothered by the terrible commands on some of those ultras? Claw's has one of those commands that I can hardly pull off, and I used to pull it off on alpha 3.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on December 17, 2013, 04:19:37 pm
I found Claw's U2 easy to do on a keyboard.
Fuck Akuma's though. About the only U2's so far I canname that are even remotely useful are Dictator's, MAYBE Ryu's, Oni's and maybe Evil Ryu's.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Basara Dandy on December 17, 2013, 04:27:19 pm
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And finally, Capcom's Yoshinori Ono also stated that the unannounced fifth new character to appear in Ultra Street Fighter IV is female, but gave no further details. However, he did mention that the new character is not R. Mika, Mike Haggar or Retsu... which supports his earlier statement that the new character has "never appeared in a Street Fighter game before."
(http://network.mugenguild.com/basara/img/lucia-big.gif) Now it's my time to shine
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on December 17, 2013, 05:17:12 pm
Fuck Akuma's though. About the only U2's so far I canname that are even remotely useful are Dictator's, MAYBE Ryu's, Oni's and maybe Evil Ryu's.
Psycho Punisher is ultra useful... in fact, I use it more that Nightmare Booster because I face more fireball users than I like to.
Some UII that I can name that are useful are: Gen's (at least the Crane one), for fireball. Same for Makoto, Cody. Also Adon has a pretty good UII, with the first one used only in fireball battles.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 17, 2013, 07:40:06 pm
the new character is gonna be eliza, that is why the new character in tekken revolution got named eliza instead of anyother name, harada is spoiling.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on December 18, 2013, 12:10:52 am
is Elisa even a fighter ?
A Shadoloo Doll would be a Poor Choice and so is a female Delta red memeber
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 18, 2013, 12:16:41 am
eliza was the american karate champion before ken defeated her, that's how they met each other, iirc.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on December 18, 2013, 12:28:25 am
eliza was the american karate champion before ken defeated her, that's how they met each other, iirc.
where do they say that?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 18, 2013, 12:31:59 am
fuck if I remember, though I think it's one of the sfa endings. dunno if that got properly retconned, like sakura = cammy got.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on December 18, 2013, 08:32:59 am
Slightly off-topic, but if anyone is curious about this new Tekken character "Eliza" Apparently she's some kind of vampire chick :/ who in my opinion, seems like a Morrigan/Lilith rip-off. The horns and the symbol on her chest lead me to believe that she has the Devil Gene, but that's just me speculating :P
Short bio: Little is known about Eliza as of yet, but her general background is that she was imprisoned by the Rochefort Family deep underground. She has finally managed to escape and will be making her debut.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 18, 2013, 09:57:21 am
.... Uh.... Why are you posting this here ? What does that have to do with USF4 ? It's not "slightly" off-topic, it's completely off-topic.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on December 18, 2013, 10:07:47 am
Because somebody had mentioned it. And it's somewhat relevant to the "Eliza is the 5th character" theory.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 18, 2013, 10:09:34 am
It was [E] and it was a joke. There's no connection between the Elisa from SF and the Eliza in Tekken, he was making fun of all the theories about the 5th character. And most of the people here also follow Tekken if only vaguely, and probably already know about that character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on December 18, 2013, 10:14:27 am
Well I thought it was worth sharing, at least for the people who weren't aware of it to learn about it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on December 18, 2013, 10:32:17 am
I don't think its Elisa Masters at all, they said a new character to street fighter.
Elisa isn't really new.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 18, 2013, 11:08:40 am
She's new because she hasn't appeared in a previous game as a character with sprites and a moveset, they didn't say the character was completely new to the SF universe. Not that I think it's Elisa because this is bullshit, it was a joke. (and of course they didn't say we already knew the character's face/name either)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Smoker on December 18, 2013, 10:53:57 pm
What if the 5th character is a Karin clone? I mean iirc capcom no longer has the rights to the character but I don't think that stops them from creating another rich girl character that is very similar to karin.. Just a speculation tho.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on December 18, 2013, 11:35:42 pm
It could be, and if it was, I'd play the shit outta that character. I love characters with Chain Specials (which explains my love for Poison and Rolento)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on December 18, 2013, 11:50:26 pm
Ono in a red school girl outfit! :p Did they mention when "she" was going to be revealed?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 19, 2013, 01:05:44 am
.... Seriously ? You need to see when a post is just a joke, and not do this kind of reaction.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on December 19, 2013, 02:41:39 pm
It's not a funny one.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on December 19, 2013, 02:45:42 pm
TV's Andy Levy said:
You don’t have to think it is funny, but you have to know it is a joke
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on December 19, 2013, 03:23:55 pm
I never noticed this... interesting read: http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/186792/dan-s-muay-thai-know-thy-enemy
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 19, 2013, 04:09:08 pm
That topic doesn't point it out, but Dan's father was a Muay Thai fighter and he's the one who created Saikyouryuu, so there's little chance it was ever supposed to have anything from Ansatsuken in the first place. Oh, and Dan's Kouryuuken being a Tiger Uppercut is new to SF4.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on December 19, 2013, 04:10:23 pm
Yeah Gou using Muay Thai is stuff dating since SFA1 IIRC. But SFIV made sure Dan's moveset looked pretty MT-ish. Which, in retrospect, feels even cooler to know we actually have three MT-based fighters.
EDIT: Part of me wishes the fifth character was a grown up Chairperson/Iinchou from Project Justice because all she did outside of StuCo prez duties was watch Dan training tapes all day and considering she'd have graduated, she would be somewhat harder to recognize should she be fitted with an actual name. That, and considering Sakura's relation with both Dan and Taiyo High, it'd make for a pretty funny Rival Battle if it had an animated intro. Wishful thinking, I know.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on December 19, 2013, 04:43:19 pm
Even if he's a joke-ish character, Dan is just too damn cool.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 19, 2013, 04:57:35 pm
Yeah Gou using Muay Thai is stuff dating since SFA1 IIRC. But SFIV made sure Dan's moveset looked pretty MT-ish. Which, in retrospect, feels even cooler to know we actually have three MT-based fighters.
EDIT: Part of me wishes the fifth character was a grown up Chairperson/Iinchou from Project Justice because all she did outside of StuCo prez duties was watch Dan training tapes all day and considering she'd have graduated, she would be somewhat harder to recognize should she be fitted with an actual name. That, and considering Sakura's relation with both Dan and Taiyo High, it'd make for a pretty funny Rival Battle if it had an animated intro. Wishful thinking, I know.
for all the names that have been thrown around I am surprised very little project justice names have.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on December 19, 2013, 07:02:18 pm
That topic doesn't point it out, but Dan's father was a Muay Thai fighter and he's the one who created Saikyouryuu, so there's little chance it was ever supposed to have anything from Ansatsuken in the first place. Oh, and Dan's Kouryuuken being a Tiger Uppercut is new to SF4.
As I know, Dan learned something from his dad when he was alive. But Saikyo-ryuu was created by Dan and not by Gou, since he merged his previous Muay Thai knowledges with the training of Gouken, since he has Ansatsuken-like techniques
But Saikyo-ryuu was created by Dan and not by Gou, since he merged his previous Muay Thai knowledges with the training of Gouken, since he has Ansatsuken-like techniques
I was pretty sure Dan keeps claiming Saikyou is the best specifically because it was his father's style (and he wants to honor him by being the strongest thanks to it). Now it's an easy guess to say that Dan is just bad at it and doesn't actually use the same techniques (he's probably the one who added an Ansatsuken vibe in some moves), but I'm convinced the name Saikyou ryuu was from Gou. It just wasn't the form Dan uses, it was supposed to be Muay Thai based, but it was Gou's style. In fact, Dan probably knows nothing about the real Saikyou style, especially since he keeps picturing his father as a Tengu-headed Ansatsuken user.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on December 19, 2013, 07:22:42 pm
Hmmm, I though Dan created Saikyo-ryuu, combining what he learned from his father and Gouken. Then once Dan was banished from Gouken's school, he went to devote his time to making his own style (at least that's what I saw).
However, Gou creating Saikyo-ryuu would explain why he always appeared with a karate gi (besides mocking Mr.Karate of course).
EDIT: pretty much answered what I was saying.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 19, 2013, 07:26:42 pm
However, Gou creating Saikyo-ryuu would explain why he always appeared with a karate gi (besides mocking Mr.Karate of course).
The real Gou never appeared with a karategi, the Tengu-headed form we know of him from the Pocket stuff was Dan's delusion (and a reference to Takuma of course). Gou didn't wear a karategi, we have a picture of Sagat holding a defeated Gou and he's in full on Muay Thai gear. Basically, Dan thinks "my dad uses Saikyou" + "Saikyou is the strongest" + "I've seen Ansatsuken and it looks cool" = "Saikyou must be similar to Ansatsuken". But he's wrong.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Basara Dandy on December 19, 2013, 07:31:07 pm
As i know about Dan's story, he created that unnamed style mixture of Muay Thai and Ansatsuken Karate, and after "defeating" Sagat (he left win in order to rectify the death of Gou) is when he thinks his new style is "superior" and then put it a name: "Saikyo". As you said, Dan thinking his father weared a karate gi is a delusion of him, probably because of the trauma of the death of Gou
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on December 19, 2013, 07:32:06 pm
Gou didn't wear a karategi, we have a picture of Sagat holding a defeated Gou and he's in full on Muay Thai gear.
(http://www.noe-v.com/images/articles/sagat_dan.jpg) That's not Muay Thai gear. That is a karategi, with geta. I WAS WRONG AND DUMB
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on December 19, 2013, 07:35:01 pm
That's not Go, it's Dan.
This is the artwork in question (I think) (http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/7475/sagatyoung.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Basara Dandy on December 19, 2013, 07:36:13 pm
As I know, probably those ones are the same Dan instead Gou. And the image DKDC refers is this, from SFA artwork (http://images.wikia.com/streetfighter/images/4/4b/Sagat-young.png)
EDIT: Damn JM :grrr:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 19, 2013, 07:37:39 pm
The first one was Dan's first appearance as a taunt of SNK. The one on the right is the SFZ3 rendition of it, but it's not Dan anymore, it just becomes some unnamed dude - and it's not Gou at all. The image I'm referring to is the one with a young Sagat, seen from above, with Sagat looking up, he has hair and one of his eyes is white as Gou recently destroyed it. He's holding Gou by the face. I'm pretty sure this image being a representation of Gou is official. edit - yes and yes.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on December 19, 2013, 07:39:00 pm
hes likely mocking people that thought that way , considering that both sakura and cammy had mangas by the same author, where their story was fleshed out, it would make no sense for anyone to think that.
Yeah it's kinda confusing because Dan is never seen to wear geta, was probably a reference to Ryo anyway. Plus, Dan vs. Sagat has Dan state Sagat killed his dad years ago so yeah, that was a screwup on my part, but I just went in to check again as that piece of art was constantly referred to as Sagat killing Gou since as far as I could remember.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on December 19, 2013, 07:47:13 pm
Dan character probably was around when that was made.
Well that would actually give some wind to the theory that this is Gou. Dan's first appearance was that first image Shwa posted as a taunt at SNK, and then he became a character, and then he got a backstory with Gou. And then this image was made. I'm not even sure anymore it was officially Gou, I thought it was, or at least it was a rumor that was never disconfirmed, Capcom probably played on it without promising too much.
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Of course, Capcom stated that Gou was a Mixed Martial Artist now (which he still uses elements of Muay Thai)
Uh ?? How recent is that ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on December 19, 2013, 07:55:40 pm
SSFIV blog according to the Street Fighter wiki (taking that with a grain of salt because... wiki).
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According to the Super Street Fighter IV blog, Dan was born on November 25. Dan's father, Go, was a mixed martial artist and a rival of Sagat. Go gouged out Sagat's right eye and Sagat beat him to death in retaliation. Because of this, Dan sought revenge on Sagat, training to become a fighter, but was expelled from Gouken's dojo when his motivations were learned. Dan thus developed his own style of Gouken's martial art merged with Muay Thai elements and called it Saikyō-ryū, or "Strongest style," despite the complete weakness of his techniques. He set on a quest to find Sagat and take vengeance for his father's death.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 19, 2013, 08:00:02 pm
Oh. It makes no sense that he used Muay Thai though, and it contradicts all those years of Dan wanting to use Saikyou specifically to avenge and honor his father. That seems like a big retcon :S
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 19, 2013, 08:10:11 pm
before sfzero2 gold existed cammy only appareances had been super sf2 ( I am not sure if xmen vs sf was before sfa2 too, but I know that game did not have cammy and sakura ), sf a 2 had some supplementary material in which shadaloo has been investigating sakura and they planned to use her to become a doll , which si what started the cammy =sakura rumours, later sfz3 had both cammy and sakura so that theory got disproved.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on December 19, 2013, 08:11:43 pm
I'm not even sure anymore it was officially Gou, I thought it was, or at least it was a rumor that was never disconfirmed, Capcom probably played on it without promising too much.
I had never thought it was, but I never noticed his right eye being all weird until now. So maybe it is? I always imagined the loss of his eye to be... well, not so clean.
before sfzero2 gold existed cammy only appareances had been super sf2 ( I am not sure if xmen vs sf was before sfa2 too, but I know that game did not have cammy and sakura ), sf a 2 had some supplementary material in which shadaloo has been investigating sakura and they planned to use her to become a doll , which si what started the cammy =sakura rumours, later sfz3 had both cammy and sakura so that theory got disproved.
Ooh, neat.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on December 19, 2013, 08:17:59 pm
Probably one those things that will forever be speculation. Capcom would rather add and retcon than re-visit old material to make the SF canon.
Doll Sakura... it makes sense now. I forgot Dictator wanted to use Sakura instead of whoever they found.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on December 19, 2013, 08:23:43 pm
So I checked the Japanese Wikipedia on Dan - the Japanese Wikipedia is always very detailed and only based on what's official (what they have for SNK's fighting styles like Kyokugen ryuu and Kusanagi style is amazing). It makes no mention of Gou's style and it only says that the Saikyou ryuu is "Dan's self-taught style". It doesn't even say that he based it on Muay Thai and Ansatsuken, only that he trained just a little with Gouken and was thrown out. In fact, it specifies that Saikyou ryuu as the name of his style is pretty recent, in CvS he was said to be using "a style based on Karate". Oh, and it doesn't say anything about whatever Gou's style was, not even Muay Thai (or MMA). So... Everything, even the name of the style, was a lore built around the games but never official, and everyone just took it for granted, and it was made official for the first time as his fighting style... in SF4. Capcom does do that a lot.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 19, 2013, 08:54:23 pm
yeah, capcom had that thing going on where even peple heavily involved with the game did not know what was really canon, like the guy whose tweets were translated by felineki, iirc he was producer/desginer of sf and even he was nto sure if mike and mike B are the same character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on December 19, 2013, 09:22:28 pm
I'm not even sure anymore it was officially Gou, I thought it was, or at least it was a rumor that was never disconfirmed, Capcom probably played on it without promising too much.
I had never thought it was, but I never noticed his right eye being all weird until now. So maybe it is? I always imagined the loss of his eye to be... well, not so clean.
That's a cornea dettached, it fits exactly what happened to him during Gou fight. I can understand why people would think it was Gou, its just never stated.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on December 20, 2013, 10:18:04 am
I know I'm late but, who said Goh Hibiki?
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
(http://i44.tinypic.com/23svnld.png)
This sprite is...old. i did it years ago just for fun :P!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on December 20, 2013, 05:18:05 pm
yeah, I remember that sprite, I just saw it again yesterday as I was searching for my bjenet sprite in prime central station. Posted: January 01, 2014, 12:16:30 am just some random promotion related to another franchise:
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201312/31046025.html
if someone complains about that next revival I post a ragequit video.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: WatsonGrim69 on January 01, 2014, 07:29:56 am
Rooting 4 Karin, Sodom, Eagle or R,Mika. Fuck every other char is not Street Fighter & or Final Fight related...Capcom aint got much of a choice.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MooMaster666 on January 01, 2014, 08:48:16 pm
I hate to break it to you, but those four characters you're rooting for are not going to get in. :P
Ono already confirmed that R.Mika is not going to be in Ultra SF IV. I believe you have forgotten that the fifth character in Ultra SF IV is going to be a character that has never been in a fighting game, and not just that, but the character is confirmed to be a female.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on January 01, 2014, 08:50:32 pm
That's a cornea dettached, it fits exactly what happened to him during Gou fight. I can understand why people would think it was Gou, its just never stated.
Yeah I just always imagined it as being, well, gorier. Like his eye got gouged out or something or something traumatic. Which, in retrospect, seems like that might be a bit out of character for Go, but who knows since he's backstory only? I dunno.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MooMaster666 on January 01, 2014, 09:00:50 pm
sorry to break it to ya, but thats not confirmed either.
At the capcom cup, Ono said the fifth character is female and really did not reveal anything else other than saying that R.Mika was not the 5th character, as well as debunking the rumor that Retsu was the fifth character. I should know because I was watching that stream when the announcement was made.
Of course there's always this I suppose which has most likely been posted here more than once, but take it as you will. http://www.siliconera.com/2013/12/16/ultra-street-fighter-ivs-fifth-new-character-female/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/12/16/ultra-street-fighter-ivs-fifth-new-character-female/)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on January 01, 2014, 09:37:52 pm
seems like i missed that bit, i had read the rest but hadnt noticed the female part. thanks
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on January 01, 2014, 10:12:27 pm
Iced we already confirmed to you she was female since Capcom Cup when Ono blatantly said it. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1878954) :V
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on January 01, 2014, 10:14:53 pm
well no one linked me to anything back then so i didnt remember it >:C
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on January 02, 2014, 02:43:34 am
You're getting old Iced, always forgetting stuff you said and have read :)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 02, 2014, 05:24:48 am
it'0s a justifiable erro because before ono confirmed the character as female, there were fake leaks that said the character was female, that was around the time when the afro silhouette got posetd.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on January 02, 2014, 06:02:58 am
Also, this is Capcom and Ono, so skepticism is expected. I was going to mention that earlier but I'm prohibited from talking about the new character (self-imposed punishment ftw). But yeah, it was said on stream.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on January 03, 2014, 10:57:51 pm
If it's from Udon...the only NEW character, female and with a big relation thing to SF is...Vega&Rose's mistress. Yeah, that gipsy who threw some amethists on Vega.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 03, 2014, 11:08:07 pm
that still leaves all the dolls as well as ibuki's friend which is pointed out in the article, even eliza masters is game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on January 03, 2014, 11:11:10 pm
Sarai also appears in SF3. Check Ibuki's endings(don't remember which one). Same with the Dolls. And it seems that SPECIFFICALLY comes from the comics. Anyway, time will tell.
Also, I forgot Guile's secretary.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on January 03, 2014, 11:32:18 pm
^-- This is actually an interesting assumption. It could come from the Comics expanded SF3 universe, so that way, the new character could continue to appear in future SF games set after the Gill Saga.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on January 03, 2014, 11:42:45 pm
Decapre had a ton of screen time in the comics. I believe it was the first time she was shown with the claw, even. (http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/16/164924/2342809-decapre.jpg)
remember that decapre didnt have the claw in the game or original art http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131127082853/streetfighter/images/b/bd/SFZ3ChibiDollsPage.jpg
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 03, 2014, 11:47:12 pm
lol, they put acid on her face; iirc there is nothing wrong with her face, it's cammy the one that got a scar made by vega and that is why vega gave decapre a mask,a s decapre looks a lot like cammy.
I put iirc there because I was about to type that the one with the scar was dcapre, but then I don't get how cammy fits in there. Posted: January 04, 2014, 12:21:37 am asmuch as I want it to be another member of the hamsters family, decapre is the one who sounds more likely; at least she will get a more fleshed out background if it happens.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on January 04, 2014, 02:29:09 am
Decapre are a "Evil/Prototype Cammy" yes? I hope also she's will not appear.... She don't look the "original" term the Capcom want.... She's looks more a palleteswap of Cammy with mask and Vega's moves, I think...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 04, 2014, 03:06:59 am
No shit
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on January 04, 2014, 03:40:07 am
I'm pretty sure Sarai appeared in the bg of Mishima Estate in SFxT, so they already have her model. She's looking likely. (http://media.eventhubs.com/images/2011/06/07_sfxtscreen03.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 04, 2014, 03:43:12 am
The models of the characters in the background are highly unlikely to be anywhere as detailed as the playable characters. There's little chance her SFxTK model means anything here. Sarai would be much too random IMO, Decapre seems the most plausible.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on January 04, 2014, 04:17:13 am
I'm pretty sure Sarai appeared in the bg of Mishima Estate in SFxT, so they already have her model. She's looking likely. (http://media.eventhubs.com/images/2011/06/07_sfxtscreen03.jpg)
Oh, so THAT's who's in the background. And Cammy's face, lol.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on January 04, 2014, 04:36:42 am
The models of the characters in the background are highly unlikely to be anywhere as detailed as the playable characters. There's little chance her SFxTK model means anything here. Sarai would be much too random IMO, Decapre seems the most plausible.
If she's not going to be a Mod for Cammy gains Shadaloo's Dolls costume, Mask and Vega Moves with Claw LOL
Sorry for Decapre fans but i don't believe she's going to the game.... If she appears with THAT style i mentioned before I[And others] will be dissapointed e-e
And Ibuki's friend.... REALLY LOL! Impossible... Much trolling to put her in game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Basara Dandy on January 04, 2014, 05:50:04 am
that still leaves all the dolls as well as ibuki's friend which is pointed out in the article, even eliza masters is game.
He's right, UDON had made secondary characters appearances as much as protagonists, so could be anyone. I'm not sure if these one appeared in UDON Comics, but apart the ones you named, there's also Kei Chitose (Sakura's friend), Effie (Necro's girlfriend) and Harmageddon Yoko (R.Mika's trainer, I bet would have something in common with El Fuerte, who's Mika's fan in UDON Comics)
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
But yeah, now more than ever I bet my coins for Decapre, especially for that Vega's claw in old spoilers
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on January 04, 2014, 09:12:47 am
I'm pretty sure Sarai appeared in the bg of Mishima Estate in SFxT, so they already have her model. She's looking likely. http://media.eventhubs.com/images/2011/06/07_sfxtscreen03.jpg
Really low poly model. It's useless for a playable character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 04, 2014, 06:15:51 pm
and then, the delta red girl is still open game. Posted: January 04, 2014, 06:16:40 pm the whole, she appeared in a comic, sounds like a way of them to say that it won't be someone too crazy/froma weird source; so people lower their expectations, again making decapre more likely.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Shakunetsu on January 04, 2014, 06:59:18 pm
The models of the characters in the background are highly unlikely to be anywhere as detailed as the playable characters. There's little chance her SFxTK model means anything here. Sarai would be much too random IMO, Decapre seems the most plausible.
If she's not going to be a Mod for Cammy gains Shadaloo's Dolls costume, Mask and Vega Moves with Claw LOL
Sorry for Decapre fans but i don't believe she's going to the game.... If she appears with THAT style i mentioned before I[And others] will be dissapointed e-e
And Ibuki's friend.... REALLY LOL! Impossible... Much trolling to put her in game.
Im having a hard time understanding some of yours posts.
Im guessing you are saying that Decapre would disappoint you because she would be a small modification of cammy with a new model and vega moves. I would point you to exhibit 1 and 2. (http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130425204220/streetfighter/images/thumb/0/03/SSFIV_Arcade_Edition_%27Oni_vs_Evil_Ryu_Gameplay_Trailer%27/670px-SSFIV_Arcade_Edition_%27Oni_vs_Evil_Ryu_Gameplay_Trailer%27.jpg)
About sarai being "trolling", I dont see how she would be an attempt to elicit anger on purpose .
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Another hypothesis ( that is not happening) would be doing something like Ace from the old sfex games, a character with moves you could select from a big list and editable colours. Which reminds me, sf x tekken introduced colour edit mode, I dont see a reason for it not to return.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Zetsuməi on January 04, 2014, 11:07:16 pm
She wouldn't be. Her moveset COULD be different, but she's Cammy with a mask and claw.
Ryu/Evil-Ryu is a transformation. Understandable.
Akuma/Oni is a transformation. Understandable.
If they give Decapre a different moveset then I think people would be pleased.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on January 04, 2014, 11:35:29 pm
She wouldn't be. Her moveset COULD be different, but she's Cammy with a mask and claw.
Ryu/Evil-Ryu is a transformation. Understandable.
Akuma/Oni is a transformation. Understandable.
If they give Decapre a different moveset then I think people would be pleased.
If she has a different Moveset is acceptable. Now the problem is that in some footage of Capcom, I don't remember where I watched, that showed that the fifth fighter would be a sort of "Evil Cammy". And that's not good. It is unacceptable placing a useless character like Oni which only serves to be a character "what if" and a version "with super effects" of Shin Akuma.
Evil Ryu was useful to me in the Alpha series, I do not believe it to be most used in current series. I miss NEW CHARACTERS in this game.
And where the "original character" that Capcom was saying? Just sucked from the comics and a cameo SFA3 that remains a Sprite / MoveSwap :D
I really hope if Decapre was in the game, COULD have a different moveset.... And my english is HORRIBLE i know.,.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 地獄の花 on January 04, 2014, 11:40:39 pm
the game is already full of clones. i would love to see this new character with interchangeable stance like lei and maylee.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 04, 2014, 11:42:02 pm
There's no such thing that said that from Capcom. I think there once was a video on Youtube from some guy who usually had decent information or something, providing a hint of a leak close to that, but it wasn't from Capcom. It was a Youtube video of a random blogging site or whatever.
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And where the "original character" that Capcom was saying?
Again, Capcom said nothing like that. Check your sources much, MUCH closer, and make sure of what you read, if you're going to act like that about it.
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I miss NEW CHARACTERS in this game.
You mean like El Fuerte, Abel, Viper, Rufus, Hakkan, Juri, Seth, Oni ? Or like Rolento, Haggar Hugo, Poison, Elena ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on January 04, 2014, 11:46:21 pm
*Hakan with one K
And Hugo..not Haggar.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Zetsuməi on January 04, 2014, 11:48:56 pm
That's the one thing I dislike about Capcom. They know how to displease their fans very easily.
Really.
Evil Cammy.
Might as well add in Shadow and Shadow Lady while you're at it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on January 04, 2014, 11:54:43 pm
I'm surprised Capcom never tried to push a headswap female for Street Fighter (there's Juli and Juni, but they were one shot characters). Karin would count if she didn't have so many of her own animations.
Not related, but I remember back in SSF2, they were going to make a Fei-Long headswap, but that got scrapped and we got Dee Jay instead.
SF4 has plenty of new characters (none I really like though) considering some of the other games. Even if they did add someone "brand new" it won't be enough to make everyone flock back to the game. Might as well use existing assets.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on January 04, 2014, 11:56:25 pm
That's the one thing I dislike about Capcom. They know how to displease their fans very easily.
Really.
Evil Cammy.
Might as well add in Shadow and Shadow Lady while you're at it.
Yes, it's clear as day that Decapre, should she in fact be the fifth character, will play exactly the same as Cammy, but evil. Why don't other people see this, it's so simple! They must be real stupid!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Zetsuməi on January 04, 2014, 11:56:45 pm
What do you mean? SF4 isn't failing at all.
The only game they need to update is UMvC3, because they just gave up on it.
I was honestly hoping the new USF4 character would be Ingrid. But that hope was lost.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on January 05, 2014, 12:03:16 am
That's the one thing I dislike about Capcom. They know how to displease their fans very easily.
that's true about almost every other game they've put out, but i wouldn't say that about sf4, a game they released many years ago and are still supporting with updates.
the marvel license expired so don't expect an update to umvc3 anytime soon, if ever
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 05, 2014, 12:03:26 am
Might as well add in Shadow and Shadow Lady while you're at it.
Given the new stuff they gave us in SF4, even with a "headswap" like Oni actually getting a complete new moveset, it's pretty unfair to just assume they won't give anything new.
Karin would count if she didn't have so many of her own animations.
I'm not familiar with that story, Karin was originally a headswap of someone ? I don't presume you mean Sakura since they have nothing to do with each other. Oh, I see. Yeah, not a headswap. || V
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on January 05, 2014, 12:06:40 am
i guess some people think karin was originally a flat out headswap of sakura because some sprites in msh vs sf's data look like, well (http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/anJOQs5_-vo/maxresdefault.jpg) (sorry for the shitty image) but the end result wasn't really a headswap
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Zetsuməi on January 05, 2014, 12:10:25 am
I'm not saying they won't give Decapre anything new. Just hoping she'll have Cammy moves but be an entirely different character.
I don't NOT believe in Capcom. I know they can do it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [DKG] on January 05, 2014, 12:13:30 am
i guess some people think karin was originally a flat out headswap of sakura because some sprites in msh vs sf's data look like, well but the end result wasn't really a headswap
you mean this (http://i.imgur.com/wjam59H.gif)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on January 05, 2014, 12:19:08 am
As nice as rolento, hugo, poison and elena are but Ultra SFIV would have made to a killer game for everyone who likes street fighter if these 4 and also R.Mika, Alex, Karin, and Haggar would have made it into the game.
A roster upgrade like that would have made Ultra SFIV a no brainer. instead it looks more like a "meh" upgrade with characters and stages we have seen back in march 2012 already and a lot people who have ssfiv or ssfiv ae and / or sfxt won't care for this update.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 05, 2014, 12:22:34 am
A roster upgrade like that would have made Ultra SFIV a no brainer.
It would also have taken 6 more months, maybe more considering the hard time they're having adjusting just 4 characters that are already made. By the way, they're doing this because SFxTK and SF4 players asked them so much in the first place, so I disagree that they won't care.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on January 05, 2014, 12:24:00 am
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I miss NEW CHARACTERS in this game.
You mean like El Fuerte, Abel, Viper, Rufus, Hakkan, Juri, Seth, Oni ? Or like Rolento, Haggar Hugo, Poison, Elena ? [/quote]
Like both of then. Little of then. Like characters from Final Fight or "forgotten" characters like the "Gouken's daughter".
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Zetsuməi on January 05, 2014, 12:29:35 am
I agree on a slight angle.
A new set of characters such as Karin and Haggar would be nice. Very nice actually. They haven't been around in a while. I also think it was lazy to just port over stages and characters from SFxT, but that's their business, not mine.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on January 05, 2014, 12:32:25 am
Given the new stuff they gave us in SF4, even with a "headswap" like Oni actually getting a complete new moveset, it's pretty unfair to just assume they won't give anything new.
After getting to use Oni, I'd agree that he's not much like Akuma. That said, I still find the premise of him pretty fucking lame, but that's an aesthetic thing. Evil Ryu on the other hand, got a special stomp and the cr.MK vanilla Ryu should've had to start with; I'd expect a little more variance than what there is between those two.
Decapre is a little bit of both; I'm convinced she'd borrow a little too much from Cammy/Vega for comfort, and I personally find the premise of playable Dolls in a game that already has Cammy retarded as a whole, let alone one specifically with a second character's gimmick.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on January 06, 2014, 02:30:21 am
My only gripe with the "new" Evil Ryu is the fucking hole in his chest. I know it's a reference to one of the SF mangas, but still it looks retarded imo. I never really thought of Oni as "pretty fucking lame", I just took him for what he was. Akuma completely taken over by the satsui no hadou which sounded pretty cool to me. Of course, I'm only talking about their physical appearances and not their movesets.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on January 06, 2014, 02:39:40 am
I dunno, I like it. It makes him look unique. Better than him being a palette swap at least.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on January 06, 2014, 12:09:05 pm
Okay, this is my last thing on this secret character business. Maximilian may have the answers.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on January 06, 2014, 12:33:35 pm
My only gripe with the "new" Evil Ryu is the fucking hole in his chest. I know it's a reference to one of the SF mangas, but still it looks retarded imo. I never really thought of Oni as "pretty fucking lame", I just took him for what he was. Akuma completely taken over by the satsui no hadou which sounded pretty cool to me. Of course, I'm only talking about their physical appearances and not their movesets.
Why does he have that hole in him, anyway?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 06, 2014, 02:01:21 pm
It's a reference to the Manga "Ryu final", which ends with a battle between Ryu and Gouki. Basically they both blow/punch a hole in each other's torso. Gouki disintegrates, and Ryu gets better.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on January 06, 2014, 02:38:56 pm
Continuity fail. :p E. Ryu gets from the manga dimension and fights in the game series dimension?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on January 06, 2014, 02:51:53 pm
didnt you see his intro?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3sZkFiufIY
in the original manga he becomes more like Gouken did tho.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 06, 2014, 03:09:00 pm
The hole is a reference. It doesn't mean they explain it like that in the game, he has his own story. Gouki most likely did it to boost his Satsui no Hadou.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 06, 2014, 05:00:40 pm
yeahk since in the manga it happens after sf3, while sf4 happens before 2.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 06, 2014, 06:08:33 pm
Uh ? IINM 4 happens after 2 but before 3 (see Mel's birth), and the manga happens also before 3 (Alex's first defeat to Ryu), but 4 is close to 2 while the manga is close to 3.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 地獄の花 on January 06, 2014, 06:40:56 pm
sf timeline is a messy shit.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on January 06, 2014, 06:54:38 pm
Well, either way, story probably wasn't the first concern.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 06, 2014, 07:05:52 pm
before something happened they had a good timeline going on, they even retconned a few things, like making sfa1 dissapear plot wise and making it clear that it was guile the one who defeated dictator in the tournament; a bit after the last retcon they said that every game would be it's own universe and a few years later they made sf4, thus killing the time line.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on January 08, 2014, 02:31:22 am
I always thought Evil Ryu was Ryu if he gave into the Satsui no Hado during his fight with Sagat. I rationalized the hole in his chest as being from a Tiger Uppercut.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 08, 2014, 03:20:22 am
maki is also in the run for a female character that appeared ina comic/manga, who fits in teh sf universe and was not on a sf title before, as opossed to a fighting game as corrected in the ann interview.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on January 08, 2014, 03:21:51 am
Maki was in some of the ports of SFA3 (PSP and GBA iirc), if that counts for anything.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on January 08, 2014, 03:52:30 am
It's fun speculating, but I came to grips a long time ago with the thought that I probably won't give 1/4 of a shit about the 5th character when they're revealed. My thoughts were something like this: 5th Character? I hope it's somebody from the SFEX Games that would be awesome--no, it's somebody never in a street fighter game Is it Alex--NO It could be Asura! That would be so cool! There was that one crossover with street fighter already, so it's not that far---NO, ONO SAYS NO m...Megam--NOPE ... ... FUCK IT
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Cazaki on January 08, 2014, 03:58:10 am
Chill.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on January 08, 2014, 04:15:29 am
It's fun speculating, but I came to grips a long time ago with the thought that I probably won't give 1/4 of a shit about the 5th character when they're revealed. My thoughts were something like this: 5th Character? I hope it's somebody from the SFEX Games that would be awesome--no, it's somebody never in a street fighter game Is it Alex--NO It could be Asura! That would be so cool! There was that one crossover with street fighter already, so it's not that far---NO, ONO SAYS NO m...Megam--NOPE ... ... FUCK IT
Calm down, dude... Want a Pepsi? :P -i'm kidding, yeah...
Well, no news?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on January 08, 2014, 04:44:22 am
It's fun speculating, but I came to grips a long time ago with the thought that I probably won't give 1/4 of a shit about the 5th character when they're revealed. My thoughts were something like this: 5th Character? I hope it's somebody from the SFEX Games that would be awesome--no, it's somebody never in a street fighter game Is it Alex--NO It could be Asura! That would be so cool! There was that one crossover with street fighter already, so it's not that far---NO, ONO SAYS NO m...Megam--NOPE ... ... FUCK IT
Why would you even consider a SF EX character to begin with?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 地獄の花 on January 08, 2014, 10:16:26 pm
because they're fucking awesome. but we won't see them again. i myself would like to see a rivalschool character in the sf universe but i think the 5th character should be a new boss character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Darkflare on January 08, 2014, 10:23:31 pm
They may be great, but they have no chance of coming back unless Capcom and Akira collaborate again.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on January 08, 2014, 10:25:02 pm
because they're fucking awesome. but we won't see them again. i myself would like to see a rivalschool character in the sf universe but i think the 5th character should be a new boss character.
Oni & E. Ryu weren't enough?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on January 08, 2014, 10:27:00 pm
because they're fucking awesome. but we won't see them again. i myself would like to see a rivalschool character in the sf universe but i think the 5th character should be a new boss character.
Oni & E. Ryu weren't enough?
or Juri? [I know she's not a Boss, but in the Story of SSF4 she looks like a "semi-boss" or dunno
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 08, 2014, 11:04:48 pm
because they're fucking awesome. but we won't see them again. i myself would like to see a rivalschool character in the sf universe but i think the 5th character should be a new boss character.
I think at this point of time we are more likely to get a kof or tekken character than a sfex one.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on January 08, 2014, 11:15:22 pm
Blair Dame, Skullo, Garudo and friggin Allen Snider would be awesome to see in a new SF :(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on January 08, 2014, 11:18:06 pm
Agree... But EX séries is a "filler" to SF canon.... And the 5th female character will make a debut in this game.
Uhh, either something is canon or is not. There's no thing such as "filler" canon.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on January 09, 2014, 04:34:52 am
Capcom obviously doesn't give a shit about Street Fighter's story, so canon doesn't matter really. That said, all of the characters in the EX games were more interesting than standard street fighter characters/their counterparts, so I'd love to see some of them return... I wonder how hard it would be to mod an EX character into the PC version of SFIV...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on January 09, 2014, 05:04:01 am
I only did a quick search, but I'm suprised there are so few (if any) EX mod skins.
I just want to see Hokuto return. Please give me an Aikido chick Capcom... SNK's is sadly underused. :(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on January 09, 2014, 09:36:51 am
If anybody from the EX series is going to make a return, it should be Kairi since EX's entire story was basically built around him.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Trinitronity on January 09, 2014, 09:02:11 pm
If anybody from the EX series is going to make a return, it should be Skullomania.
Fixed. Too bad it will likely not happen that any SFEX characters are going to return in a Street Fighter...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on January 09, 2014, 09:10:21 pm
/me notices every 15 pages of a SF4-iteration thread, the mis-informed and completely annoying discussion about SFEX characters comes up
:getout:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Pigeot on January 09, 2014, 09:41:23 pm
For a company in dire straits Capcom really loves to do everything not to help itself. Elena was one of SF3's most forgettable characters and Hugo was poorly rendered in both USF4 and SFxT. The fact that SFxT didn't include Karin despite including Lili was ridiculously stupid and they're going to do the same thing by throwing random characters that no one cares about into USF4 as opposed to gauging fan hype and adding in characters that seem to fit demands. Oh, Capcom. How do you do it?!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on January 09, 2014, 09:43:02 pm
For a company in dire straits Capcom really loves to do everything not to help itself. Elena was one of SF3's most forgettable characters and Hugo was poorly rendered in both USF4 and SFxT. The fact that SFxT didn't include Karin despite including Lili was ridiculously stupid and they're going to do the same thing by throwing random characters that no one cares about into USF4 as opposed to gauging fan hype and adding in characters that seem to fit demands. Oh, Capcom. How do you do it?!
Gee it's almost as if Capcom don't fully own the rights to a character that didn't appear in the games first to begin with!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on January 09, 2014, 09:44:27 pm
For a company in dire straits Capcom really loves to do everything not to help itself. Elena was one of SF3's most forgettable characters and Hugo was poorly rendered in both USF4 and SFxT. The fact that SFxT didn't include Karin despite including Lili was ridiculously stupid and they're going to do the same thing by throwing random characters that no one cares about into USF4 as opposed to gauging fan hype and adding in characters that seem to fit demands. Oh, Capcom. How do you do it?!
you make it sound like including karin or alex in any of these games would've made sales differences in the millions or, in sfxt's case, made the game not gutter trash
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on January 09, 2014, 10:05:07 pm
...by throwing random characters that no one cares about into USF4 as opposed to gauging fan hype and adding in characters that seem to fit demands. Oh, Capcom. How do you do it?!
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you think there's no people who likes to play with Hugo, Rolento, Elena or Poison? Hugo is one of the most fun characters to play in 3S, Rolento... is Rolento. Elena also seems fun as hell and Poison is one of the most unique characters Capcom has.
I couldn't care less about Karin, but that doesn't make her uninteresting.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on January 09, 2014, 10:20:47 pm
I thought no one played as Elena to be honest......... But the others I could easily see. I'm really surprised they threw all of the Final Fight redux characters in. I always thought Hakkan was more unique than Posion.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on January 09, 2014, 10:29:39 pm
I thought no one played as Elena to be honest......... But the others I could easily see. I'm really surprised they threw all of the Final Fight redux characters in. I always thought Hakkan was more unique than Posion.
I have no idea how any of those things make sense, so im going to assume you are posting in a weird manner on purpose.
I dont understand why people believe that "different characters" would influence sales. Its a fighting game, you wont get more people buying mortal kombat because it had Mecha subzero, those that would buy it before knowing freddy krueger is in or out are the same people.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on January 09, 2014, 10:39:43 pm
On the other hands, there's this kind of reasoning of some people who requests certain characters to be in the game to end using them like... 2 times.
One of those examples is Phoenix Wright in UMVC3. I can count with the fingers of one hand the times I've seen him in a fight around here.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on January 09, 2014, 10:48:28 pm
I still think the whole Karin and legal rights situation is just bullshit. I want some actual quotes for once, not all this possibly false information about her :V
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 09, 2014, 10:51:13 pm
I still think the whole Karin and legal rights situation is just bullshit. I want some actual quotes for once, not all this possibly false information about her :V
Elena was one of SF3's most forgettable characters and Hugo was poorly rendered in both USF4 and SFxT.
Yeah I know, I have opinions too! Not to mention, how is Hugo poorly rendered in a game that isn't even out yet? Way to try to pass that off as a fact.
Point missed or else not fully thought through. Anyway, after watching videos of USF4's gameplay, Hugo's moves (especially his throws) look clunky and awkward - my opinion, just to make that clear. It's possible to opine on things by watching videos, correct? Anyway, I loved Hugo in SF3:TS and his animations were great. He just looks bad to me in USF4.
you make it sound like including karin or alex in any of these games would've made sales differences in the millions or, in sfxt's case, made the game not gutter trash
You're right. I was just totally shocked by the lack of fanservice put into SFxT. That decision stood out to me as one of Capcom's silliest on that level regardless of whether or not the game was bad... which it was.
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you think there's no people who likes to play with Hugo, Rolento, Elena or Poison? Hugo is one of the most fun characters to play in 3S, Rolento... is Rolento. Elena also seems fun as hell and Poison is one of the most unique characters Capcom has. I couldn't care less about Karin, but that doesn't make her uninteresting.
I said nothing about Rolento or Poison and I would definitely have approved of Hugo if they actually seemed to have put effort into porting him. BTW, I loved Hugo in 3S too. I'm not loving his USF4 rendering and he was horrible in SFxT.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on January 09, 2014, 10:56:30 pm
Look up "Sakura Ganbaru."
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on January 09, 2014, 11:00:31 pm
But I like Elena though. AND I use her. and the point you seem to be missing is that the USF4 animations look clunky because they aren't finished yet. and something I still don't get is why so many people want Karin? I don't see the appeal.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on January 09, 2014, 11:05:11 pm
I said nothing about Rolento or Poison and I would definitely have approved of Hugo if they actually seemed to have put effort into porting him. BTW, I loved Hugo in 3S too. I'm not loving his USF4 rendering and he was horrible in SFxT.
Arguing about tastes or preferences is hard because everyone likes different stuff, but in your case... oh well you are random and inconsistent. So you are actually saying that out of the 4 characters shown to date you like 3, but even that fact makes Capcom being bad for "throwing characters no one cares about". :/
ONE. OUT. OF. 4.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 09, 2014, 11:07:46 pm
But I like Elena though. AND I use her. and the point you seem to be missing is that the USF4 animations look clunky because they aren't finished yet. and something I still don't get is why so many people want Karin? I don't see the appeal.
I was always under the impression that Elena was one of the least widely acclaimed and least used characters in SF3. In all honesty, I've seen more people use Sean than Elena. Edit: And I accept that they're still working on them. I like how has Elena turned out thus far, although I would have preferred to have seen someone else in her space, but hopefully they improve Hugo as well.
Arguing about tastes or preferences is hard because everyone likes different stuff, but in your case... oh well you are random and inconsistent. So you are actually saying that out of the 4 characters shown to date you like 3, but even that fact makes Capcom being bad for "throwing characters no one cares about". :/ ONE. OUT. OF. 4.
ok.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Magma Dragoon MK II on January 10, 2014, 02:00:31 am
I couldn't care less about which characters they choose, as long as they look cool and play well.
Besides, the only SF character I can't stand is Sakura.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on January 10, 2014, 09:07:21 am
For a company in dire straits Capcom really loves to do everything not to help itself. Elena was one of SF3's most forgettable characters and Hugo was poorly rendered in both USF4 and SFxT. The fact that SFxT didn't include Karin despite including Lili was ridiculously stupid and they're going to do the same thing by throwing random characters that no one cares about into USF4 as opposed to gauging fan hype and adding in characters that seem to fit demands. Oh, Capcom. How do you do it?!
My freaking sides... Elena wasn't played in tournies for Third Strike, yes, but I definitely know she is popular despite her being a bad character fighting wise. Your reasoning for Hugo makes no sense, Karin is legal troubles all over the place and the rest of your logic makes no damn sense.
The only thing I admonish Capcom over is that R.Mika is STILL not playable past SFA3...that makes zero sense to me due to how insanely popular she is, yet has no legal issues like Karin does.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 10, 2014, 09:47:22 am
People always say that but they always look like a vocal minority to me. How well did she score on general popularity polls, including the one from Harada for TKxSF ? How often was she played in SFZ3 ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on January 10, 2014, 10:09:51 am
How can there be a vocal minority for something that doesn't even exist? lol Mika only has a following in fap material and that's pretty much it.
I mean I like Mika and all but she's not exactly well appreciated gameplay-wise.
And to answer your question, nobody uses her in SFZ3 because she is shit. (I use her because LOW TIER HERO but that's beside the point.)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on January 10, 2014, 10:10:37 am
fap material indeed
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Fisher King on January 10, 2014, 10:11:45 am
Yep, fap material.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on January 10, 2014, 12:24:01 pm
Really, guys?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Pigeot on January 10, 2014, 12:26:06 pm
My freaking sides... Elena wasn't played in tournies for Third Strike, yes, but I definitely know she is popular despite her being a bad character fighting wise.
As long as she's popular. Then again, someone did bring up Phoenix Wright in UMvC3 as an example of popularity not translating to usage, so maybe that idea isn't so hot.
Too bad (nah I have other games for that) Good thing Capcom dosen't mindlessly cater to the JP fanbase, or we'd be looking at a different game entirely.
For the record, the English rankings have Karin(12), R.Mika(21), And Ingrid(not even top 40).
Full results here: http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/mar/29/results-capcoms-street-fighter-favorite-characters-popularity-poll/
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on January 10, 2014, 12:29:32 pm
Those are some very sad results.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 10, 2014, 12:29:41 pm
Talking about his rendition in USF4 when it's not even out I presume. He wasn't particularly "'poorly rendered" in SFxTK. I'm not sure if you mean "rendered" in a "visual rendition of the model" way or in a gameplay way, but I wouldn't call either of them "poorly rendered".
Talking about his rendition in USF4 when it's not even out I presume. He wasn't particularly "'poorly rendered" in SFxTK. I'm not sure if you mean "rendered" in a "visual rendition of the model" way or in a gameplay way, but I wouldn't call either of them "poorly rendered".
The sad part is that I agree concerning SFxT. I watched some SFxT vids after my post and Hugo didn't seem bad at all. I will say that from all of the vids I've watched with him in USF4 he still looks very clunky especially compared to the other 3 characters. And I'm using rendered in the context of his gameplay, but everyone has an opinion.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Thedge on January 10, 2014, 05:11:58 pm
I agree with the part that Hugo sf3 >>>> Hugo sfxt/usf4 - animation wise. But that's because Hugo is a masterpiece of the 2D pixel art.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on January 10, 2014, 10:04:10 pm
i guess this gives some sort of credence to karin being in some sort of legal issue capcom doesn't want to sort out at this point in time. given her japanese popularity it's weird she's not even in the street fighter x all capcom card game thing.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Negi Springfield on January 13, 2014, 03:42:49 pm
Well after playing SFA3 MAX recently I really don't see why we can't have some more one-shot characters like Eagle or Maki. And i'd really love some more Ingrid =/
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 13, 2014, 03:54:01 pm
Well after playing SFA3 MAX recently I really don't see why we can't have some more one-shot characters like Eagle or Maki. And i'd really love some more Ingrid =/
Capcom is being lazy bastards...despite the situation they are in which they REALLY need to start enticing people to actually buy their damn games...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 14, 2014, 12:05:37 am
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on January 14, 2014, 12:37:39 am
adding in a couple more characters might boost sales a bit but probably wouldn't offset development costs and despite what you might think wouldn't do that much to change the negative perception people have on capcom now. don't even try to imply that putting in karin and r. mika in the game would make up for recent things they've done involving resident evil, breath of fire, megaman and devil may cry. don't be ridiculous
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 14, 2014, 01:11:48 am
and don't forget their all games will be social announcement.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on January 14, 2014, 01:20:46 am
put the characters i like in the game or i will hate you forever fuck you crapcom im tired of this shit
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on January 14, 2014, 02:19:38 am
Only a handful of years ago, Street Fighter IV was a pipe dream and Capcom saw Fighting Games as a fad that was only for retro gamers. Just trying to keep things in perspective. :-\
I'm sure we'll see all of our beloved characters again in phone games before Capcom goes under in 5 years. Capcom is making a new Fighting Game after all (could be SF5, SFA4, CFAS, etc...)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on January 14, 2014, 02:59:20 am
I would love to see Street Fighter Alpha 4 become a thing one day.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on January 14, 2014, 03:29:24 am
Only a handful of years ago, Street Fighter IV was a pipe dream and Capcom saw Fighting Games as a fad that was only for retro gamers. Just trying to keep things in perspective. :-\
I'm sure we'll see all of our beloved characters again in phone games before Capcom goes under in 5 years. Capcom is making a new Fighting Game after all (could be SF5, SFA4, CFAS, etc...)
I can't put much hope in this... But well....
Any news about the Fifth Character or USF4?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on January 14, 2014, 03:33:35 am
no
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on January 14, 2014, 03:38:21 am
There is barely anything concerning Ultra Street Fighter IV. Capcom is keeping things "hush hush" as it were.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on January 14, 2014, 03:44:29 am
yeah they haven't said anything about the changes in the four characters they added or any global gameplay changes like red focus or double ultras or delayed wakeup or kof mode
fucking shut up
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on January 14, 2014, 05:38:27 am
Titln. The rage. Calm down. I think he meant in regards to the fifth character. In which case he's right. Any other game it would've been leaked by now. Mmm...nope...no...looking back that comment is pretty ig'nint.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on January 14, 2014, 05:41:13 am
I still think the whole Karin and legal rights situation is just bullshit. I want some actual quotes for once, not all this possibly false information about her :V
I dunno how much weight this carries, but I just compared the credits of MvC1 to SFA3: the former has Strider listed as being copywright Moto Kikaku; the latter has no mention of Karin anywhere.
I'm not a lawyer or anything, but I would think they'd have to mention Masahiko Nakahira somewhere in the game if he owned Karin, right? But then there's the poll results thing... I dunno!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on January 14, 2014, 06:55:24 am
Same for SFJ and MvC2. No mention of Karin, but Strider is listed.
I can't find any special mention of Strider in UMvC3, yet the game credits the designer of Dante and Virgil's devil trigger mode. Strange.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on January 14, 2014, 06:59:16 am
I've done some detective work... there could only be 3 possible owners.
The company who published Sakura Ganbaru! (Shinseisha) went bankrupt in September 1999. It's not them. The manga-ka (Masahiko Nakahira); of course popular theory is that he owns the rights. Finally, Capcom themselves.
It could be a joint ownership of the rights between Nakahira and Capcom (this is the case with Strider). Then again, the fact that Karin's name doesn't show up as a copyright would debunk that theory. If he does still have some influence in what's done with her, idk how easy it would be to publicly contact him (the blog Byakko posted some pages back shows that he's obviously still around). I can't imagine it would be that hard to reach him.
Finally, it could simply be out of respect to Nakahira for her to not appear anymore (same way how Rock is never in KoF).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on January 14, 2014, 07:11:20 am
I seriously don't get how excluding a popular character from your games, even if you own it, is "showing respect" to the character's creator.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on January 14, 2014, 07:17:04 am
I've done some detective work... there could only be 3 possible owners.
The company who published Sakura Ganbaru! (Shinseisha) went bankrupt in September 1999. It's not them. The manga-ka (Masahiko Nakahira); of course popular theory is that he owns the rights. Finally, Capcom themselves.
Capcom seems like it makes more sense than Nakahira completely owning her; it just seems like it'd be bad business not to stipulate in Nakahira's contract or whatever that any characters made in his SF mangas to be the property of Capcom. Or maybe I'm just used to the way DC and Marvel operate that it's blinding me? I'm not a lawyer!!!
Capcom seems like it makes more sense than Nakahira completely owning her; it just seems like it'd be bad business not to stipulate in Nakahira's contract or whatever that any characters made in his SF mangas to be the property of Capcom.
Still nothing definitive, but it's fair to conclude that Capcom has some influence in what's done with her, but it's something else that's preventing her from being added in anything Capcom related.
I seriously don't get how excluding a popular character from your games, even if you own it, is "showing respect" to the character's creator.
The Japanese certainly have a different mentality towards "respect" in regards to that would puzzle most people who've never been there (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JapanesePoliteness) (TvTropes ftw... talks more about politeness but the same concept applies).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on January 14, 2014, 08:20:35 am
I could've sworn he was there, grouped with all the Marvel character copyrights. Hmm.
Just watched the credits a third time and still didn't see him. It's funny, the speech bubble that comes out of Stirder's mouth towards the beginning would've been the perfect spot for the credit to be placed.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on January 14, 2014, 09:05:25 am
Still nothing definitive, but it's fair to conclude that Capcom has some influence in what's done with her, but it's something else that's preventing her from being added in anything Capcom related.
Maybe because she's a shit character and SF4 is already pushing its obnoxious highschool girl quota with Sakura, Ibuki, Makoto, and now Elena.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on January 14, 2014, 09:07:11 am
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan Karin is fun as shit to play as and she owns a space laser!!! :V
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on January 14, 2014, 09:35:48 am
Maybe because she's a shit character and SF4 is already pushing its obnoxious highschool girl quota with Sakura, Ibuki, Makoto, and now Elena.
I wouldn't lump Makoto in the same catagory as the rest. She acts totally different. I wouldn't mind new young males to be added to the SF cast at some point. Only men under 25 that I can think of in the core SF series right now is Sean, Yun, and Yang.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on January 14, 2014, 03:04:22 pm
I like my tweeny high school-age girls as much as the next guy, but USF4 definitely have enough as is. In addition to those 4, Cammy might finally be of age (lolSF4 story) but she's always been presented as one of those "child soldier/agent" characters (being small in stature doesn't help). Isn't Juri in her teens too?
Yeah, too many... Karin and others who fit this description isn't necessary.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: NDS-Silva on January 14, 2014, 03:24:20 pm
I could've sworn he was there, grouped with all the Marvel character copyrights. Hmm.
Just watched the credits a third time and still didn't see him. It's funny, the speech bubble that comes out of Stirder's mouth towards the beginning would've been the perfect spot for the credit to be placed.
Look at the Press Start screen.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Negi Springfield on January 14, 2014, 03:55:47 pm
Continuing from my previous post. I really really think Ingrid should be in more games I mean her story in SFA3M is all levels of 'wat' and should be expanded on.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Karin is nice and all but she doesn't add anything Yang and Feilong don't already have minus the Geese counters and that GODDAMN LAUGH
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 14, 2014, 04:06:15 pm
Still nothing definitive, but it's fair to conclude that Capcom has some influence in what's done with her, but it's something else that's preventing her from being added in anything Capcom related.
Maybe because she's a shit character and SF4 is already pushing its obnoxious highschool girl quota with Sakura, Ibuki, Makoto, and now Elena.
we can cut off her arms if that makes her more attractive to you :)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on January 14, 2014, 05:11:08 pm
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on January 14, 2014, 05:19:38 pm
i find it hard to say "NO THE YOUNG GIRL QUOTA IS FILLED" when the game already has ryu, ken, dan, akuma, evil ryu, eviler akuma
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 14, 2014, 05:20:35 pm
No no no, the Shoto quota is also filled ! (also young girls everywhere annoys more people than Shoto everywhere does)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on January 14, 2014, 05:39:41 pm
it might be my perspective but i didn't really see anyone going Oh for fuck's sake like we needed more young girls in this piece of shit game!! when elena was shown, whereas the evil ryu and oni announcements had plenty of MORE SHOTOS??? groaning
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 14, 2014, 06:20:51 pm
I don't consider Elena to be part of the "young girls" myself, she doesn't look like one (and she's taller). I don't even know how old she is. Beside, Elena was in SFxTK so it's pretty normal for her to come together with the others. Meanwhile, schoolgirls like Sakura sure aren't too popular outside of those who have a fetish, so any of them might count as too much regardless of how many there are right now. And to begin with, Capcom has been pretty decent at avoiding the annoying schoolgirl archetype beside Sakura (the first one) and Karin (the obligatory rival) : Makoto, Cammy, Mika, Elena are all pretty unique and don't fit the hated "annoying/useless schoolgirl" type of character. IMO it's not so much about how many there are right now than it is just "we don't want DoA to take over".
Counting Makoto, Cammy etc. as "yet another schoolgirl" is a bit dishonest IMO, but I concur with the aversion for adding more little girls.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on January 14, 2014, 06:21:55 pm
Wow, Juri is much older than I thought. :P
That means Cammy was 16 in SF2 and like 14 in the Alpha series... good thing Capcom portrays their characters as being powerful adults (so Cammy can pass for a 19-year old).
I don't mind Ingrid being in more games, just not in Street Fighter. I don't see a plausible explanation of adding a tweeny/borderline loli looking girl who rely on powers (being a boss mind you) flying with the fanbase. I'm know I'm making too much of it and adding her wouldn't be that big a deal. I'd think she's be perfect for an All-Capcom game though.
it might be my perspective but i didn't really see anyone going Oh for fuck's sake like we needed more young girls in this piece of shit game!! when elena was shown, whereas the evil ryu and oni announcements had plenty of MORE SHOTOS??? groaning
That's different because the Shotos (sans Sakura) are grown men. Uncreative, yes (which is why the groaning is justified), but not something that will make people's eyebrows twitch.
Replace the number of shotos with teenage/school girls and I guarantee people would look at Street Fighter a little weird. I know what the response will be if Sarai (or Kei as a longshot) is the 5th character (besides the lol headswap thing) and they'd still be almost 2x more shotos.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on January 14, 2014, 06:42:13 pm
Kakurine when?! We need more hundred year old women with powers.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on January 14, 2014, 06:55:45 pm
IMO it's not so much about how many there are right now than it is just "we don't want DoA to take over".
No one should be able to make a complaint like that while completely glossing over the fact that Poison is in the game. I don't know my DoA characters super well, but to my knowledge Ayane, Kasumi, and possibly Hitomi and the new arcade character are the only school age females in the game so I don't even see what the point of that statement is unless you simply mean people don't want more women in the game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 14, 2014, 07:18:13 pm
Young girls overdose. You can tell me how many girls of DoA are mature women, it doesn't change the view people have of the game. Also don't get defensive, I didn't pick my random example because I counted DoA's little girls and figured they were too many, it was a random example and the context should let you understand exactly what I meant. Don't start telling me "but DoA isn't a good example" if you already know what I mean.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on January 14, 2014, 07:29:46 pm
It's about the portrayal, not so much if they are or aren't students. Cammy looks 16 in almost every game, but she's portrayed as an independent agent/assassin, so Capcom doesn't get flak for her. Leona is more extreme example; I thought she was in her 20s when I first saw her since she's around the same height/weight as Ryu (according to bios information), uses firearms, and is always serious as fuck... she's the same age as Athena (explanation not needed). All depends on the presentation.
Elena could pass now that I'm thinking about it... outside of the peppy personality, nothing about her seems to suggest "obnoxious tweeny girl." It's all a matter of having a good balance to preserve Street Fighter's aesthetic while still catering to the fanbase that likes their pretty young girls (which Capcom does a good job on)
Wow, this topic went in a kinda weird direction (not that I'm helping any). :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Negi Springfield on January 14, 2014, 07:39:15 pm
Why not? Ingrid's SFA3M story implies that Bison's Psycho Power is actually tapped from her, She even finds it stupid that he gave a name to it. Then she rides on Mecha-Buhhda to the year 201X. lol. I mean they could better explain her powers and back story.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on January 14, 2014, 07:46:46 pm
Young girls overdose. You can tell me how many girls of DoA are mature women, it doesn't change the view people have of the game. Also don't get defensive, I didn't pick my random example because I counted DoA's little girls and figured they were too many, it was a random example and the context should let you understand exactly what I meant. Don't start telling me "but DoA isn't a good example" if you already know what I mean.
I didn't know if your statement referred to people not wanting more school girls or not wanting more women in general. I get it now.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on January 14, 2014, 07:54:17 pm
I don't consider Elena to be part of the "young girls" myself, she doesn't look like one (and she's taller). I don't even know how old she is.
(http://caddie.smeenet.org/sf3-2elena-9.png)
Elena is basically a sun tanned, bleach haired Sakura who fights in her undies. If Sakura is a "young girl", Elena is a "young girl".
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on January 14, 2014, 08:03:14 pm
Good thing nobody played SF3. :D
Seriously, today's Capcom hasn't presented Elena as another high school girl and such. That all changes the moment they give her a schoolgirl DLC outfit (the way they did Makoto).
I don't know my DoA characters super well, but to my knowledge Ayane, Kasumi, and possibly Hitomi and the new arcade character are the only school age females in the game...
Funny you say that, because Hitomi (age 20) is in college now and everyone's over 18. But they were given school uniforms (for nostalgic purposes); at that point, they become (by perception) schoolgirls regardless of actual age (considering their other traits).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 14, 2014, 08:18:06 pm
Why not? Ingrid's SFA3M story implies that Bison's Psycho Power is actually tapped from her, She even finds it stupid that he gave a name to it. Then she rides on Mecha-Buhhda to the year 201X. lol. I mean they could better explain her powers and back story.
If Sakura is a "young girl", Elena is a "young girl".
What Niitris said also applies, she doesn't look like one, she doesn't act like one, so she's fine. Sakura's design is vastly different. Their actual age doesn't matter, it's like the "debate" on loli design vs age.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 地獄の花 on January 14, 2014, 08:23:39 pm
i would love to see a story behind ingrid's power too in sfa her story makes her too op for the other characters.
(http://caddie.smeenet.org/sf3-2elena-9.png) Elena is basically a sun tanned, bleach haired Sakura who fights in her undies. If Sakura is a "young girl", Elena is a "young girl".
elena: to celebrate my victory everyone's invited for a bestiality orgy!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on January 14, 2014, 08:30:23 pm
i don't even think adding in fucking karin or ingrid would make people think this is another weird japanese schoolgirl fightgame or a jerkable fight game like dead or alive. sakura's the only one that wears a schoolgirl outfit. i really dont think most people perceive ibuki, makoto, elena and cammy as obnoxious highschool girls. maybe ibuki. the notion that one more girl would change people's perception of street fighter that much is absurd
so you prefer muscley guys who throw fireballs than young women? hmmmm~
this isn't a matter of preference, it's a matter of how most people react to these things and how games are perceived. pay attention instead of making shitty Haha you're gay!! jokes
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 14, 2014, 08:41:52 pm
sakrua as pretty original back when she was created, tho; this patch added one "girl" and 3 guy so I don't see a lot of people complainign about sf having too many girls if karin is added.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on January 14, 2014, 08:56:15 pm
Seriously, today's Capcom hasn't presented Elena as another high school girl and such. That all changes the moment they give her a schoolgirl DLC outfit (the way they did Makoto).
meanwhile in outfit 3 in sf x tekken (http://i.imgur.com/oiMGxl.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on January 14, 2014, 09:03:54 pm
good thing nobody played that either
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on January 14, 2014, 09:05:02 pm
Also the term yall searching for is Shoujo. Not schoolgirl, but pretty girl.
Alternatively waifu could be a good word.
Also I think its legitimate to expect the sf x tekken alt costumes to port over into ultra sf4 (http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/138/8/f/sftk_pc_abel_alt__costume_backport_from_xbox360_by_moddah-d4zcbuz.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on January 14, 2014, 09:14:26 pm
i would love to see a story behind ingrid's power too in sfa her story makes her too op for the other characters.
She's the Capcom universe goddess; basically a ploy for she can be whatever the hell Capcom pleases (they don't follow through probably because she's too "Japanese" of a design for their "Westernized" games). Supposedly she was made because Capcom wanted their own version of SvC Athena (although she's more like a hybrid of both).
She gets a mention in SFxT (behind the concept of Pandora and stuff), but isn't playable obviously.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on January 14, 2014, 09:21:08 pm
Where did all of this backstory become a play in finding out the new character?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on January 14, 2014, 09:22:30 pm
.. what are you talking about, people are just discussing the ammount of girls in the game.
Wait how many girls are there total? We got to remember this was a genre where Chun li was like , the pioneer.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Darkflare on January 14, 2014, 10:01:37 pm
i would love to see a story behind ingrid's power too in sfa her story makes her too op for the other characters.
She's the Capcom universe goddess; basically a ploy for she can be whatever the hell Capcom pleases (they don't follow through probably because she's too "Japanese" of a design for their "Westernized" games). Supposedly she was made because Capcom wanted their own version of SvC Athena (although she's more like a hybrid of both).
She gets a mention in SFxT (behind the concept of Pandora and stuff), but isn't playable obviously.
Honestly, Ingrid's story in SFA3M just seemed rushed and made her look very Mary sueish. I just can't buy that Bison's psycho power which was already pretty established is suddenly Ingrid's. Fortunately, riding Mecha Buddha TO THE FUTURE was an amusing touch.
At least SFxT prologue confirmed she was a goddess that creates boxes of doom that make people fight for it for her own amusement.
You know, I would be totally ok with full troll Ingrid.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 14, 2014, 10:44:20 pm
she is a goddess so she can look whichever age she wants, thus avoiding the school girl problem.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Basara Dandy on January 14, 2014, 10:44:50 pm
And I'm still waiting for Decapre (or Lucia, who knows) :(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: J-Grug on January 22, 2014, 06:51:04 pm
Quote
Ultra Street Fighter 4′s mysterious fifth character has been teased in a new interview with VG247, during which Capcom’s senior community specialist for fighting games Peter Rosas bigged up her reveal.
In an interview you can read on VG247 soon, I asked Rosas if he could us any new insight into Ultra’s unannounced fifth new character. He told me, “As much as I’d like to, unfortunately I can’t. If I divulge the play style of the character, I feel that all of the mystery will be taken away. All I can say is, wait till you see how we unveil her.”
Ultra Street Fighter 4′s mysterious fifth character has been teased in a new interview with VG247, during which Capcom’s senior community specialist for fighting games Peter Rosas bigged up her reveal.
In an interview you can read on VG247 soon, I asked Rosas if he could us any new insight into Ultra’s unannounced fifth new character. He told me, “As much as I’d like to, unfortunately I can’t. If I divulge the play style of the character, I feel that all of the mystery will be taken away. All I can say is, wait till you see how we unveil her.”
This is seriously getting to be too much... This character better be good to everyone if they are teasing him(gender neutral him) for this long...I swear he will just be a disappointment in the end.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 22, 2014, 08:11:13 pm
That's not a thing. The proper gender neutral term is "them".
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on January 22, 2014, 08:22:00 pm
isn't it official by now that the character is a woman, what's the point of "gender neutral him" anyway (ignoring how stupid that sounds)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on January 22, 2014, 08:22:17 pm
Actually English doesn't have a proper gender neutral term, as the words "them" and "they" don't work properly in cases where there's only one subject... Fuck English, it's stupid. Plus yeah, it's a girl. Actually no, now I'm gonna look it up. This has been bothering me for a while anyway.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on January 22, 2014, 08:24:09 pm
Actually English doesn't have a proper gender neutral term, as the words "them" and "they" don't work properly in cases where there's only one subject... Fuck English, it's stupid.
No, "they" is also used for singular gender neutral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they) ("indeterminate gender").
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: GalFord on January 22, 2014, 08:38:07 pm
The use of he to refer to a person of unknown gender was prescribed by manuals of style and school textbooks from the early 18th century until around the 1960s, an early example of which is Anne Fisher's 1745 grammar book "A New Grammar".[11] Older editions of Fowler also took this view.[12]
He USED to be a Gender Neutral pronoun, that's why the Eng Dub of Soul Eater use it for Crona, who has no known gender.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on January 23, 2014, 01:18:57 pm
I always thought it was because calling somebody "it" is disrespectful. Them's fighting words. Plus I don't think the whole "Cheering up Crona" thing wouldn't have been as effective with them calling him "it" all the time...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on January 23, 2014, 10:45:13 pm
The use of he to refer to a person of unknown gender was prescribed by manuals of style and school textbooks from the early 18th century until around the 1960s, an early example of which is Anne Fisher's 1745 grammar book "A New Grammar".[11] Older editions of Fowler also took this view.[12]
He USED to be a Gender Neutral pronoun, that's why the Eng Dub of Soul Eater use it for Crona, who has no known gender.
i dont know why any of this has any relevance considering the character is officially female[5] (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1897294)
Title: *Saving the guy some time.
Post by: Bastard Walt on January 23, 2014, 11:07:52 pm
* Citation needed *
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 23, 2014, 11:12:04 pm
sorry to break it to ya, but thats not confirmed either.
At the capcom cup, Ono said the fifth character is female and really did not reveal anything else other than saying that R.Mika was not the 5th character, as well as debunking the rumor that Retsu was the fifth character. I should know because I was watching that stream when the announcement was made.
Of course there's always this I suppose which has most likely been posted here more than once, but take it as you will. http://www.siliconera.com/2013/12/16/ultra-street-fighter-ivs-fifth-new-character-female/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/12/16/ultra-street-fighter-ivs-fifth-new-character-female/)
During the Capcom Cup stream, Capcom's own Yoshinori Ono jumped on staged to deliver a message to everyone viewing. Speaking as an introduction to the Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition v2012 portion of the event, Ono made sure to thank all of the players, sponsors, viewers, and attendees.
Although we did not find out who the 5th Ultra Street Fighter 4 character is, Ono, in classic fashion, dropped a couple of hints.
The Capcom representative put a few suspicions to rest by stating that this mystery fighter is not Marvel vs. Capcom 3's Haggar, not Street Fighter Alpha 3's R. Mika, and not Street Fighter 1's Retsu.
Ono did confirm, however, that the final addition to the Ultra Street Fighter 4 roster will be a female. This was the only bit of information given to the public, but now that we know the gender, who do you think the last USF4 character will be?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on January 23, 2014, 11:40:51 pm
The use of he to refer to a person of unknown gender was prescribed by manuals of style and school textbooks from the early 18th century until around the 1960s, an early example of which is Anne Fisher's 1745 grammar book "A New Grammar".[11] Older editions of Fowler also took this view.[12]
He USED to be a Gender Neutral pronoun, that's why the Eng Dub of Soul Eater use it for Crona, who has no known gender.
i dont know why any of this has any relevance considering the character is officially female[5] (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1897294)
I forgot about that, happy?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on January 23, 2014, 11:42:07 pm
Happy.
Now everybody stop bumping this thread back up until we get actual news. PLEASE, I BEG YOU.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 23, 2014, 11:58:35 pm
I blame jgrug
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on January 24, 2014, 12:22:05 am
Now I'm gonna keep posting because I wanna know what Walt's tears taste like.
I wonder if it could be Mithra (I think that's her name) from Asura's Wrath? That could tie in to the whole Ingrid/Soul Power deal. Plus it was pretty much confirmed that Asura's Wrath is like a hub world as far as universes go.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 24, 2014, 12:29:40 am
nah, if it's a character from left field it will be someone really lame, like ibuki or sakura's friend.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on January 24, 2014, 12:32:29 am
Nothing wrong with an active thread... but then it became about the science behind pronouns in a video game thread. :P
To be fair, what started this whole thing wasn't really news (unless restating things people already know is suddenly front-page stuff).
Also, I'm not crying, I'm just as annoyed as the next guy to see this thread at the top of the page, clicking it with excitement, only to find it plagued with nothing but bickering about trivial nonsense.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Prodigy_LXM on January 24, 2014, 12:51:37 am
^Bingo. . .
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 24, 2014, 12:54:03 am
Also, I'm not crying, I'm just as annoyed as the next guy to see this thread at the top of the page, clicking it with excitement, only to find it plagued with nothing but bickering about trivial nonsense.
you should already now that the altest updates have nothing to do with new-news, the only one to blame was the original revival.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Basara Dandy on January 24, 2014, 01:55:15 am
Decapre, just Decapre. I'm pretty sure it's her
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on January 24, 2014, 11:49:57 am
Ultra Street Fighter 4 will have replay sharing via Youtube. (http://www.capcom-unity.com/dawgtanian/blog/2014/01/24/ultra-street-fighter-iv-upload-online-matches-directly-to-youtube)
Hopefully at least in 480p.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on January 24, 2014, 12:45:43 pm
Also, I'm not crying, I'm just as annoyed as the next guy to see this thread at the top of the page, clicking it with excitement, only to find it plagued with nothing but bickering about trivial nonsense.
This. At times I feel like this thread should be locked until the new character is revealed. Oh well. A few more pointless pages of KARINASURASWRATHDOLLS won't kill anyone~
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on January 24, 2014, 12:46:50 pm
Is anyone still playing SFIVAE on a regular basis anymore here btw. ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on January 24, 2014, 01:22:18 pm
Yes
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on January 24, 2014, 02:14:13 pm
Yeah.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on January 24, 2014, 02:22:07 pm
Does SF3 count?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: c001357 on January 24, 2014, 03:45:48 pm
no, but i promise ill be practicing a lot more when ultra comes out (i wont)!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on January 24, 2014, 05:03:25 pm
I play it too. And a LOT.
What I really want is the option to record local matches... that would help us a lot in a tournament environment :(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on January 24, 2014, 05:12:45 pm
Not me, I've given up on sf4 unless they make an option to change the way motion inputs are read. Like how older games had long and short commands. I want classic with ultra commands a higher priority than ex and other multi button commands.
It won't happen though so I won't be able to enjoy this game either. It's easier for me to pull off oldschool KOF motions than a sf4 move when I need it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on January 24, 2014, 05:32:39 pm
Really? SF4's engine has a lot of leniency for inputs... I can't believe you can pull out stuff on KOF but not in SF4 :P For me it's the other way around.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on January 24, 2014, 05:35:37 pm
There are shortcuts like df,df that are strongly hated by some players because it clashes with other commands, the shortcuts remove the possibility to do certain inputs a certain way, and, for example, will result in an unwanted EX when you're trying to combo certain moves into an ultra (because you pressed df then df and 3 buttons, you get an EX Shoryuken instead of the Ultra). Or something along those lines, I forgot the details. Those shortcuts have been around since vanilla SF4.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on January 24, 2014, 05:40:37 pm
It's so bad that they had to "fix" in Ultra one of the most notorious unwanted commands in the game: Walking into cr.MK**Hadoken You normally get a big fat ass shoryuken with that :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on January 24, 2014, 05:42:32 pm
Yep, I haven't been able to enjoy SF4 since Vanilla due to the shortcuts. 1st SF game to ever give me these problems. Though 360s and 720s are easier than ever. I pretty much only play as charge characters that do not have teleports like Bison. Vega and DeeJay are my mains since I can do their moves almost 100% of the time.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on January 24, 2014, 05:47:35 pm
I presume you mention Bison specifically because of all those times where you get a Teleport instead of UI or UII..
I feel your pain :( I main Bison...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Luis Alejandro on January 24, 2014, 06:42:00 pm
Also, I'm not crying, I'm just as annoyed as the next guy to see this thread at the top of the page, clicking it with excitement, only to find it plagued with nothing but bickering about trivial nonsense.
This. At times I feel like this thread should be locked until the new character is revealed. Oh well. A few more pointless pages of KARINASURASWRATHDOLLS won't kill anyone~
No, fuck you both. I had to endure the freaking Mortal Kombat and MVC3 threads years ago, now YOU deal with this you cowards!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: videoman on January 24, 2014, 11:41:04 pm
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on January 25, 2014, 01:58:35 am
I think Makoto should have projectile invincibility on her forward Medium Kick, maybe just on startup...damn that would help.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Cazaki on January 25, 2014, 03:53:35 am
Why would that type of normal have invincibility
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on January 25, 2014, 10:53:45 am
why not
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on January 25, 2014, 11:00:53 am
is extremely rare for a command normal to have such a special attribute. The only character I can think of is the boss Oni and he has a energy or around his arm that makes negating a fireball more plausible.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on January 25, 2014, 11:09:12 am
IIRC playable Oni's f.HP also negates fireballs.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on January 25, 2014, 11:16:41 am
i was being sarcastic
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on January 25, 2014, 02:11:17 pm
Not negate, but go through. Makoto's Forward MK isn't very good by itself, but since it steps forward, if you made the startup pass through fireballs it would make her a lot harder to zone out(read: fireball spam to death), which is something she needs since her only way around fireballs is her Ultra II...which...you know requires her to be almost dead before you can effectively use it. the exact number of projectile invincible frames would have to be fine tuned, but I think just having it on the startup would let you decently punish people for throwing fireballs carelessly.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: JeDDyD on January 25, 2014, 11:20:04 pm
Not negate, but go through. Makoto's Forward MK isn't very good by itself, but since it steps forward, if you made the startup pass through fireballs it would make her a lot harder to zone out(read: fireball spam to death), which is something she needs since her only way around fireballs is her Ultra II...which...you know requires her to be almost dead before you can effectively use it. the exact number of projectile invincible frames would have to be fine tuned, but I think just having it on the startup would let you decently punish people for throwing fireballs carelessly.
Focus Attack > Fireballs
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on January 26, 2014, 02:04:15 am
Tsurugi (the axe kick) is a good way to avoid and punish fireballs too.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Cazaki on January 26, 2014, 04:39:19 am
Not negate, but go through. Makoto's Forward MK isn't very good by itself, but since it steps forward, if you made the startup pass through fireballs it would make her a lot harder to zone out(read: fireball spam to death), which is something she needs since her only way around fireballs is her Ultra II...which...you know requires her to be almost dead before you can effectively use it. the exact number of projectile invincible frames would have to be fine tuned, but I think just having it on the startup would let you decently punish people for throwing fireballs carelessly.
nothnx
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on January 26, 2014, 04:47:12 am
Not negate, but go through. Makoto's Forward MK isn't very good by itself, but since it steps forward, if you made the startup pass through fireballs it would make her a lot harder to zone out
That sounds really really stupid. She has plenty of tools to get in, she doesn't need a poorly planned, mindless normal. Do you really play SFIV?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Pigeot on January 26, 2014, 06:55:55 am
Time to mouth off once again:
The new character is from the comics and has never appeared in a Fighting Game before? Well if I said it before, I'll say it again - Capcom's marketing strategies are superb (*sarcasm). A character from the comic who's never been in a fighting game before? I wonder how recognizable this character will be? If she is semi-recognizable then she'll fight in a style or have a background similar to a character already in the cast - snooooorrrreeee!!! If she's not, it will be random which would be more favorable to me, but not really. Abel and Juri bored me to tears though Hakan was interesting, but doesn't fit SF. I think that the most unique character they could and should add from their large portion of choosings would be Alex (or maybe Necro or Twelve which would be expensive). I think this new character will inevitably spur little excitement because Capcom has been sucking badly at selling new characters lately; and don't mention Juri cause her popularity lasted for all of 2/3 months then after that she virtually disappeared.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on January 26, 2014, 07:18:16 pm
I main Makoto... so I think I might play SF4, S.D. and how is a few frames of PROJECTILE invincibility mindless? have you seen her forward MK? It's not really good. the only thing I use it for is Karakusa if they block or F. MK > HK if they block. All I'm saying is that every Makoto player I know has trouble dealing with fireballs, and that seems like an unbroken way to both improve a normally unused attack while simultaneously upping Makoto's fireball tolerance. seems like it would work well with the other Ultra changes...I was just posting an idea, I didn't expect to get shat on lol.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on January 26, 2014, 07:35:36 pm
When has a basic attack ever had invincibility in SF (even though I admit it'd be interesting since V-Ism Cody had something like this in SFA3 when he'd "block" a fireball). Let's be realistic here.
Besides, Makoto's practically designed to have a hard time with zoning; it she didn't she'd be pretty OP (SF3, even though she has nothing on Chun and Yun).
The new character is from the comics and has never appeared in a Fighting Game before? Well if I said it before, I'll say it again - Capcom's marketing strategies are superb (*sarcasm). A character from the comic who's never been in a fighting game before? I wonder how recognizable this character will be? If she is semi-recognizable then she'll fight in a style or have a background similar to a character already in the cast - snooooorrrreeee!!! If she's not, it will be random which would be more favorable to me, but not really. Abel and Juri bored me to tears though Hakan was interesting, but doesn't fit SF. I think that the most unique character they could and should add from their large portion of choosings would be Alex (or maybe Necro or Twelve which would be expensive). I think this new character will inevitably spur little excitement because Capcom has been sucking badly at selling new characters lately; and don't mention Juri cause her popularity lasted for all of 2/3 months then after that she virtually disappeared.
Who would you suggest? I genuinely want to know because I don't think anyone would cause a drastic sales spike. That said, I'd rather see a new character never before seen in a game than someone like Alex (and I main Alex in SF3).
Also, this thread (which is not even a "Capcom centric" website) having nearly 50 pages worth of discussing the hypothetical 5th character seems like it's spurring excitement to me.
And Juri is arguably the most popular SF4 character they put out. :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 26, 2014, 08:06:32 pm
an original character that is really good would be the best case scenario, that's obviously not an option anymore; they can still pull a character with good gameplay regardless of that, the worse case scenario is probably a doll , because it's very likely it will share basic with cammy, thouh she really does not has to, especially with 3d models as they don't need to recycle sprites; considering all the time that has passed since they did show the other characters, there is a good chance they have been making new animations for the new character. i.e. I will be happy as long as it's not a cammy clone gameplay wise.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on January 26, 2014, 10:01:38 pm
and how is a few frames of PROJECTILE invincibility mindless?
Does she have a low profile during the attack? No. If anything it couuuld negate projectiles with the proper spacing, if anything (But she doesn't even have energy around her feet, unlike Oni). Why the hell should it be projectile INVINCIBLE? I'm sorry for asking if you play SF4... do you play fighting games at all and do you have fundamentals and a basic grasp of how balance works?!
have you seen her forward MK? It's not really good. the only thing I use it for is Karakusa if they block or F. MK > HK if they block.
So it has some uses? You can also use it to poke at the right distance. The first hit can whiff and still be chained so it has plenty of uses. You just don't know your character and you're complaining because one move doesn't do everything.
All I'm saying is that every Makoto player I know has trouble dealing with fireballs
How many Makoto players do you know? She has plenty of tools to get around fireballs. The fastest dash in the game, A lunging special to get in, Tsurugi, EX kara Karakusa at the proper range, U2...
and that seems like an unbroken way to both improve a normally unused attack while simultaneously upping Makoto's fireball tolerance. seems like it would work well with the other Ultra changes...I was just posting an idea, I didn't expect to get shat on lol.
"Unbroken?!" How does fireball invincibility on a normal that moves makes no sense whatsoever not broken? Just because you don't use the attack (properly) doesn't mean no one else uses it. Her "Fireball tolerance" is the same as other characters, and again she has plenty of ways to get in, you're probably the one who can't deal with fireballs.
It would "work well" with the other Ultra changes? Do you even know them? Better hitboxes, more stun, jump cancellable EX Fukiage, Abare Tosanami has had projectile invulnerability added. So just give her an extra (mindless) tool to get around projectiles and get in? I thought you were a Makoto player because then you'd realize she has plenty of ways to get around projectiles.
I was just posting an idea, I didn't expect to get shat on lol.
At first it seemed like it was a joke because i'ts a a really really dumb idea so it was extremely shocking to realize you were being serious. Again, it shows that you have no real sense of how balance hows in a fighting game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on January 26, 2014, 10:22:05 pm
fuck it give deejay autoguard on all his moves too even his normals capcom
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: c001357 on January 26, 2014, 10:24:42 pm
hakan would be worth picking up again if his normals had auto-oil
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Basara Dandy on January 26, 2014, 10:57:01 pm
Maybe the 5th character is Hakan's wife and uses her children as weapons :laugh:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on January 27, 2014, 01:23:57 am
fuck it give deejay autoguard on all his moves too even his normals capcom
They already gave him Dream Cancel so they may as well just do that too lol.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on January 27, 2014, 05:04:39 pm
Makoto is my second character and I find the F+MK suggestion stupid.
Makoto can insta-Tsurugi fireballs. That's what I use to avoid jump mindlessly. And if you want to get closer without using her stupid-long forward dash, use her F+MP, like Dhalsim can use his LK slide to move forward.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on January 27, 2014, 05:21:19 pm
I ...
I don't want the 5th character to be Remember Me's NILIN :(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on January 27, 2014, 05:30:32 pm
Maybe the 5th character is Hakan's wife and uses her children as weapons :laugh:
That would be AWESOME for a minigame :D!!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on January 27, 2014, 06:15:21 pm
Is this game released yet?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on January 27, 2014, 07:01:31 pm
before that innocent questoin derails the thread again.
no.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on January 28, 2014, 11:07:53 pm
If you interested in matchups and gameplay mechanics, Comebofiend has the news, it is at Shoruken.com (http://shoryuken.com/2014/01/28/capcoms-peter-combofiend-rosas-talks-ultra-street-fighter-iv-new-character-matchups-gameplay-mechanics-and-more)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nomechy on January 29, 2014, 12:01:23 am
Uche, it's spelled "Come-bo-fiend".
Title: Who doesn't check SRK?
Post by: S.D. on January 29, 2014, 12:05:55 am
He reports news everyone should be aware of by now and he can't even post them properly. Being Uche must be suffering.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on January 29, 2014, 12:10:52 am
i check Shoruken.com every day for my fighting game fix
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on January 29, 2014, 01:08:26 am
Maybe it's Ruby Heart. And what good alternative is there to SRK? I don't think I know of one lol. What else would you go to?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on January 29, 2014, 01:16:02 am
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on January 29, 2014, 06:25:18 am
I'm not gonna lie, having a sexy female pirate would be pretty interesting especially if they changed her moveset from MvC2, but I wouldn't necessarily want her as the th character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: City_Hunter on January 30, 2014, 12:10:49 am
that could be cool something like bonne jenet from garou motw
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on January 30, 2014, 12:29:07 am
I wasn't serious, no. Ruby Heart is as dead as Darkstalkers...unfortunately.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TJHooker on February 01, 2014, 09:47:28 pm
Ruby Heart is 1st - WAS playable before, 2nd - is NOT related to Street Fighter in any way possible! - These are two STRONGEST reasons why its 100% not her, i wish some people really did better job at thinking when Capcom confirms something, instead of coming to threads like these and commenting just for the sake of leaving a post!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Snakebyte on February 01, 2014, 10:22:40 pm
I wish some people really did a better job at realizing when things are jokes.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on February 01, 2014, 10:38:11 pm
I really wish some people actually made the effort to make funny/witty jokes.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TJHooker on February 02, 2014, 12:30:21 am
Ruby Heart is 1st - WAS playable before, 2nd - is NOT related to Street Fighter in any way possible! - These are two STRONGEST reasons why its 100% not her, i wish some people really did better job at thinking when Capcom confirms something, instead of coming to threads like these and commenting just for the sake of leaving a post!
Why did you feel it was necessary to post this?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on February 02, 2014, 12:36:53 am
I wish some people really did a better job at realizing in order to make a good joke it requires to be funny...
Just because it's not funny, doesn't mean you have to act as if it was serious, as long as you understand it was supposed to be a joke (even if it's a joke that's been ran into the ground for dozens of pages and not funny at all). Your response only fueled this terrible discussion.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on February 02, 2014, 12:43:30 am
And why would Ruby Heart be the guest character anyway?? It was acknowledged that it is a character from Street Fighter's lore. Ruby Heart is from Marvel VS Capcom 2, not Street Fighter
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on February 02, 2014, 01:05:30 am
.......I still bet Eliza...... About stages, will they change all of the stages graphics to match the "new" ones?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on February 02, 2014, 01:07:26 am
It's more likely they'll change the new ones. They already need to remove some of the cameos that can't be in SF, stuff like that. They mentioned at one point that they were updating those stages, specifying that they couldn't just do a "copy-paste". That was a while back.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on February 02, 2014, 01:14:13 am
I personally loved Cosmic Elevator with Mech Zangief floating around in space. The BGM is also my favorite next to the Training Stage.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on February 02, 2014, 01:35:09 am
Yep, gotta agree with you there. I honestly kinda prefer the music they had for the bosses, though. Those songs were awesome.
Hell yes. I have the OST in my car actually and listen to it quite frequently.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on February 02, 2014, 01:40:27 am
But the Mecha Zangief alternate costume Zangief uses is exactly the same. (http://i.imgur.com/VjuTJ49.jpg) (I know, the palette swap he was in MvC made him not look like a mecha at all, which may be why you don't recognize it, but mecha means mechanical in the first place, and it's generally used to mean big robot, so that's how it really was supposed to be all along)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on February 02, 2014, 01:56:37 am
:pwnonk:
I didn't know that even existed!! Is that a modification for the PC or a costume from the consoles??
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on February 02, 2014, 01:57:49 am
... I'm sorry, this wasn't obvious enough ? (http://i.imgur.com/Lo14tQj.jpg)
cool, a metallic blanka.
No no people you're all wrong! Look carefuly! Isn't it clear already?? We all know who it is! Its Ken Masters! But he won't fool us right? RIIIIGHT?!...off course not!! Ken you bastard, thought you could make turn yourself into metal and get away with it?! NOOO way we all knew it was you from the very start! - see what i did there?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Mgbenz on February 02, 2014, 08:57:59 am
Stop trying to be funny. You're not very good at it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on February 02, 2014, 09:19:28 am
Ugggghhhh..... that dino stage looks sooooooo out of place........
Well...Ingrid can time travel.
AND BEFORE ANYONE SAYS: NO, IT'S NOT INGRID. Capcom said this new character comes from the comics.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Markpachi on February 02, 2014, 11:58:46 am
I just hope that it's not one of the dolls. I hated that concept. It was weird.
The comics we're talking about is the Udon Comics, right? I'm not really sure if there were other companies that made comics for Street Fighter.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on February 02, 2014, 12:05:55 pm
I hope they eventually remove the dinos, they DO look out of place when there are no tekken characters in the game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on February 02, 2014, 12:10:13 pm
DOLLs had an important paper in the comic, hunting down Cammy in the desert(and being free thanks to Rose, who died shortly later), fighting the Delta Red at ShadowLaw headquarters, and a long etc(kidnapping people, shooting Cammy, etc).
My bet: is Crapcom. They would possibly use again Cammy's model and turn it into Decapre, just adding short claws in her gloves, aside changing her moveset.
It would be awesome that the new character was Dictator's and Rose's Mistress, since that would add an extra deepness to the story(for example: sealing Dictator's powers, so that's why he's not in SF3).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TJHooker on February 02, 2014, 12:45:57 pm
Not trying to be funny in here, but Dino Crisis always comes in mind when I see this stage.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on February 03, 2014, 05:30:02 am
same here that or cadillacs and dinosaurs either could be a viable reference
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [SX] on February 03, 2014, 08:37:13 am
I do not like the idea of dinosaur in USF4 and I like even less the idea of a PS4 release ... I do not want to buy a new console !
(http://s16.postimg.org/hkypxunnp/Xq_P4a.jpg) In USF4 location test, a arcade cabinet with PS4 gamepad over ? that we need to understand ? Ono Teasing ?
source : http://p.twipple.jp/XqP4a
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Fisher King on February 03, 2014, 08:38:47 am
Ultra Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition confirmed. With R. Mika, Alex, Urien & a Karin clone!!! PS4 Exclusive!!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on February 03, 2014, 03:21:48 pm
That explains the delay in the release date.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 03, 2014, 04:27:10 pm
the controller is covering the movelist of the 5th character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on February 03, 2014, 04:41:58 pm
I like even less the idea of a PS4 release ... I do not want to buy a new console !
why are you assuming they'll move the game to be a ps4/one exclusive
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on February 03, 2014, 05:55:56 pm
The only reason I know for sure it's not going to be new-gen exclusive is because they clearly said that you can upgrade any copies of previous street fighter games for a lower price. New-gen consoles don't have street fighter...so... if anything it's more likely that it's last-gen only with a chance of PS4...since japan doesn't like Microsoft, and all of the teasing that's been going on, etc.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on February 03, 2014, 06:22:34 pm
Not to mention the fact that it's already been announced for the current-gen consoles, sounds to me like a pretty good hint that it's still coming on the current-gen consoles
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on February 03, 2014, 06:32:55 pm
I only hope Capcom let us use our PS3 arcade sticks on PS4. I don't really want to pay for another freaking controller when I already own 6.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on February 03, 2014, 06:37:45 pm
I don't believe that Capcom has any say on what controller the console is allowed to use.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [SX] on February 03, 2014, 06:41:15 pm
why are you assuming they'll move the game to be a ps4/one exclusive
not game exclusive but "PS4 exclusivecontent like aldo's said : ++ Alex ++ ... :buttrox:,
I know myself, I'm stupid enough to spend money just for street fighter love :blush:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on February 03, 2014, 06:44:32 pm
I wouldn't put it completely past Capcom, but I doubt they'll have PS4 exclusive characters. Besides the fact that it would require extensively more development time, I'm sure Capcom would want everyone to be on the same page competitively. PS4-exclusive characters would divide the player-base.
They might have PS4-exclusive content (assuming it even happens of course), but it won't come in the form of characters.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on February 03, 2014, 06:52:12 pm
Nitris, have you met my friend Street Fighter X Tekken?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on February 03, 2014, 06:59:31 pm
That's why I said I wouldn't rule it out (even though I'm sure there won't be). Also, the SFxT guest characters were announced well in advance; it still isn't known who the last character in this game will be.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on February 03, 2014, 07:40:45 pm
Nitris, have you met my friend Street Fighter X Tekken?
That's a bogus comparison. The console-exclusive are related to the company, either Sony's mascots or just Microsoft not wanting them. Plus, that type of exclusive is not unheard of, it's certainly not something only Capcom does. Here, we're talking about two generations of console from the same companies. There may be Microsoft-exclusive characters, there may be Sony-exclusive characters, but it's a pretty safe bet that there won't be a PS4-exclusive character that isn't on PS3. The proper comparison is that SFxTK's Vita characters did come on the console versions - both of them.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on February 03, 2014, 07:59:03 pm
I don't believe that Capcom has any say on what controller the console is allowed to use.
Sony PS4's ultimate FAQ said:
Will PS3 peripherals such as fighting sticks and steering wheels work with PS4? Generally speaking, no. However, at launch, users will be able to use these controllers if a specific game title allows it to be used within the game. This decision is upon the game developer and will vary from game to game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on February 03, 2014, 08:11:30 pm
I don't like the "Microsoft didn't want them" statement. More than likely Sony.was willing to pay Capcom for exclusive content and Microsoft wasn't.
Anyway, Capcom is no stranger to having exclusive between Sony's systems. Which home consoles got Vita's UMvC3's hotbox viewer end whatever other bells and whistles came with it? Neither. The SFxT DLC characters were exclusive to the Vita for some time too If Sony wants to pay Capcom for exclusive content to further push sales of their newest platform I see no reason why they wouldn't.
@Rezno F That's awesome news. I wonder if Microsoft will ever consider doing the same.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on February 03, 2014, 08:50:59 pm
I don't like the "Microsoft didn't want them" statement. More than likely Sony.was willing to pay Capcom for exclusive content and Microsoft wasn't.
Sony paid them to get their mascots in the game, which is a good thing. Capcom offered the same to Microsoft and Microsoft said no. It doesn't change anything if you "don't like it said like that". Capcom did want to do it and insisted quite a bunch, and Microsoft didn't want it.
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Which home consoles got Vita's UMvC3's hotbox viewer end whatever other bells and whistles came with it? Neither.
You mean the system that was developed way after they stopped updating the home console versions. At what point is that a surprise.
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If Sony wants to pay Capcom for exclusive content to further push sales of their newest platform I see no reason why they wouldn't.
And they'll likely come on the PS3 version as well, which was the whole point of the original debate. Not getting a PS4 for some exclusives if you already have a PS3.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on February 03, 2014, 09:37:48 pm
Sony had plenty of time to push Capcom to create the DLC for UMVC 3 if they really wanted to and I wouldn't be surprised if Capcom presented them with the option, but for whatever reason it never happened. I believe that their focus was on PSVita so they didn't bother. I think the same outcome its possible USF4. Not definitely, but possible especially with Street Fighter being so prominent in their ps4 commercials and Sony possibly wanting some sort of fighter on the new system to "compete" against Microsoft killer instinct.
I don't think that it will be much, but if it does happen a bit of extra content on the PS4 version to sway the competition and ps3 owners may be worth it in their eyes even if the impact is very small. (another new character and a color edit mode on a 6 year old game... Yay?)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Fisher King on February 03, 2014, 09:43:53 pm
A color edit mode would be really nice. It won´t guarantee sales but it certainly will draw attention. People love coloring their characters pitch black
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on February 03, 2014, 09:56:10 pm
Lol, yeah. To be fair though, if you're referring to SFxT black and white work pretty much the only interesting color options for a short while.
Ooh the things I would do with Boxer's alternate 1, Cammy's alternate 2, and Juri's alternate 2,
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on February 03, 2014, 09:59:29 pm
Not unless the 5th character has the same Ultras as Cody.
:O The fifth character is Maki!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 04, 2014, 11:24:11 pm
The Fifth Character will be NILIN from Remember Me.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 04, 2014, 11:54:18 pm
yeah, that remember me chapter in the masahiko nakahira street fighter manga was pretty good. Posted: February 04, 2014, 11:54:46 pm anyway, she has no chance of making it because sf has never had an african american female character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 05, 2014, 12:02:43 am
So is Capcom adding are "wtf I don't want this" char just for the sake of it?
Of course. Why would it be someone we'd be happy to see... that would be too boring.
I guess that removes any constantly repeated answers (unless he's pulling people's leg, which is my guess).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on February 05, 2014, 08:40:02 pm
I think the problem is not that the character will be boring, the problem is that with this amount of secrecy around it by now we are expecting something really huge.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 05, 2014, 08:48:02 pm
agreed, they overhyped the shit out of decapre, lol.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on February 05, 2014, 08:53:37 pm
But there's no other way to make the people talk about the game 'till the release date. Thats the only shit we've been talking about in months.
Sure, there's people debating if they should add +5 frames of recovery to Bison's teleport or give him -1 on block on his LK Scissor Kick (FUCKERS, WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO ME, DICTATOR'S GONNA SUCK BALLS IN THIS GAME), but those are the hardcore minority.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 05, 2014, 09:11:02 pm
they should have released info on the sf x tekken characters one per month even i it was fucking obvious, it beats this.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on February 05, 2014, 09:51:02 pm
Ono said:
In fact, when we finally reveal who she is, at least initially, probably nobody will be happy about it.
Are we finally getting a fat girl?![/wildtengu]
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: c001357 on February 05, 2014, 11:07:42 pm
guys, i figured it out the new character will disappoint and enrage a hilarious amount of nerds
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on February 06, 2014, 12:35:24 am
:stupid:
This character, whoever it is, isn't gonna live up to the hype unless they are as good as Yun was when he was first added to SSF4 AE.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DMK on February 06, 2014, 12:43:07 am
They really won't have much time to test her as the other balance adjustments, will they? I could see this becoming a problem until the eventual next patch.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: c001357 on February 06, 2014, 12:46:34 am
itll be an issue for evo, but whats new
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on February 06, 2014, 12:53:59 am
The release window is reminiscencent of AE.
Didn't they purposely overpowered Yun to make things "more interesting"... that sure didn't work. If anything, I believe the 5th character will wind up being quite underpowered. :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on February 06, 2014, 02:28:58 am
i'd rather hear "nobody will be happy about this thing" than "this character will get everybody hype!!". the latter only sets up for disappointment
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kasumi1030 on February 06, 2014, 04:12:39 am
If I told you who the 5th char is, would you even believe me?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on February 06, 2014, 04:20:25 am
I don't see why I wouldn't, but it would make things less interesting. :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [SX] on February 06, 2014, 09:06:14 am
This endless debate to need visual speculation :devil:
(http://s1.postimg.org/5qqjyfo7j/Bft_Ze_ZSCMAIVh_HM.jpg) probably a fake but ...
- Santamu :laugh2: - Decapre :happy: - Luwanda :shocked2: - 12 Dolls all in one :smartass:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on February 06, 2014, 10:46:17 am
that looks like fucking namco art specifically soul calibur
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on February 06, 2014, 10:50:29 am
Using UDON's image for filling that hole is like super noob, LOL!!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on February 06, 2014, 12:26:26 pm
That actually looks really good for a fake.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on February 06, 2014, 04:02:56 pm
Fake (as already stated)...
Confirmed by Capcom-Unity. (http://www.capcom-unity.com/street_fighter/go/thread/view/7411/30194405/fan-made-character-select-screen)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on February 06, 2014, 04:35:56 pm
I hope that character select screen does become the real thing. It looks great, mock-up or not(Though it could be organized a little better.) I hope they re-do the character portraits and mini portraits though. But Capcom's visual design team hasn't really been on the ball lately...(for sf I mean)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lichtbringer on February 06, 2014, 06:35:00 pm
Btw. Is someone here who has read the comics, and could say which Female Chars are in there, that are kind of important?
What I mean ARE Female Chars who are:
1. Fighters. 2. Never be playnable in a Street Fighter game. 3. Are realy be seen and not just mentioned. 4. Not unknown background character number 253 or something like that.
It might not help, but with some more informations we could at least guess better. xD
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 06, 2014, 07:27:24 pm
they were already mentioned , but maybe a list would be useful, yeah.
from memory the dolls eliza masters the delta red girl ibuki's friend sakura's friend maki (unless you count a sf port) paipai somethign form the sf2 comic (not shown to be a fighter) gouken's daughter something felo mentioned another rose-like character the girl that accompanies sagat gill's secretary
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on February 06, 2014, 07:52:59 pm
Bison's master is the other Rose like character. I have all the udon comics, I'll take a look and see who else might stand out.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on February 06, 2014, 09:41:50 pm
I'd rather M.Bison found out about the Power of Souls and converted it to Psycho Power, it makes him far more dangerous than making a variant off someone else as it makes it so someone can counteract it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on February 07, 2014, 11:14:57 am
Yep...that's what I said long ago. BUT, don't forget that someone from Capcom(I think it was Ono) said this new character comes in the "speedy" side...Both Rose and Vega(Dictator) are in the middle zone, not that quick, not that slow.
AND said this new character will not going to be liked in the begining.
SO, my thought is that he really hinted Decapre. No one likes the idea of ANOTHER clone, even if she shares moves with awesomeninjatorero-y olé!...it's being lazy. Lazy as Hell.
Also(this is totally offtopic): when I was making those inked SF sprites, I did the mistress too, and just called her "Iona", which in Romanian means "amethist", which is the stones she throws towards Vega(dict). Just chose a Romanian name because a lot of gipsies in Europe speaks a dialect of this language(romanin), mixing with the country words(in Spain is called "Caló").
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on February 07, 2014, 11:16:25 am
someone sealing Dictator's powers explaining WHY he hasn't appeared in SF3
There have been so many variations of his death until SF2 that if they wanted an explanation, they could just pick whichever they wanted and say "that's the reason". His SF4 appearance doesn't count because it was released after both SF3 and the comics (and doesn't he die in a couple of those endings too anyway ?) The comic is not critical to his absence in SF3. And his master is a boring idea. Not the most boring idea possible, granted, what they come up with is likely to be more boring, but it doesn't make that idea any less boring.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Smoker on February 10, 2014, 02:14:54 am
someone sealing Dictator's powers explaining WHY he hasn't appeared in SF3
There have been so many variations of his death until SF2 that if they wanted an explanation, they could just pick whichever they wanted and say "that's the reason". His SF4 appearance doesn't count because it was released after both SF3 and the comics (and doesn't he die in a couple of those endings too anyway ?) The comic is not critical to his absence in SF3. And his master is a boring idea. Not the most boring idea possible, granted, what they come up with is likely to be more boring, but it doesn't make that idea any less boring.
You could have easily stated that SF4 canonically comes before Third Strike...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Basara Dandy on February 10, 2014, 10:29:15 pm
I'm still insisting it's Decapre the new character. But I've to admit Bison's master is a good idea indeed
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on February 10, 2014, 10:40:27 pm
You could have easily stated that SF4 canonically comes before Third Strike...
What ? I don't think you're following. If you "just say that SF4 comes before SF3 canonically", then that actually detracts from my point, because we see Dictator in SF4, and the matter was about his absence in SF3. Felo was saying that the Udon comics explain his absence in SF3, if you just say that SF4 comes before it canonically, then he's right in saying that it's missing a reason for his absence in SF3 (although I think there's some endings that show him die again, but I'm not sure). What I'm responding to that is that even without the comics, from SF2 to SF3, we already had an explanation for his absence : Gouki was here. I'm saying that SF4 doesn't matter because it was released after SF2, SF3, and the comics ; SF2 already explained Dictator's absence from SF3, so the comics weren't needed to explain that when they came out.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Cazaki on February 11, 2014, 02:27:24 am
I'm still insisting it's Decapre the new character. But I've to admit Bison's master is a good idea indeed
How many boards other than MFG came to this conclusion? Seriously
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on February 11, 2014, 07:20:35 am
Too many for my comfort. Thankfully that probably means it won't be her, if only four sources have it right.
Nonetheless, I still say it's a Doll. The backpedaling on the whole "she'll be hype" thing, saying it'll disappoint most people; I can't think of a bigger letdown than her being a Doll.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on February 11, 2014, 03:09:40 pm
I'm still insisting it's Decapre the new character. But I've to admit Bison's master is a good idea indeed
How many boards other than MFG came to this conclusion? Seriously
Because Decapre is the only "all-new" character not appeared in playable status on FG's, and appear in HQs?
If Udon is the only comics are considered YES, probably will be. If the rare/old mangás/manhuas are considered also, the only option I see is Gouken's Daughter.
I won't considered the "Joke Characters" [Like Ibuki's friend, or Sakura's friend]
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 11, 2014, 03:33:37 pm
It will not be a doll. Definitely not a doll.
There's nothing complicated about their design that might prove a technical challenge for the character design team.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [SX] on February 11, 2014, 03:36:53 pm
Announcement of 5th character ("the greatest mystery") at Final Round XVII (March 14-16)
There's nothing complicated about their design that might prove a technical challenge for the character design team.
It could still be several dolls in a single character, although it wouldn't be much of a challenge since they already did the "moveset swap" thing with Lei and Gen (it's only missing the headswap).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on February 11, 2014, 03:47:32 pm
Decapre it is. Or Geki with a longer claw. Or maybe that pic was taken to stir controversy and is intended to mislead us...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on February 11, 2014, 03:49:21 pm
it can't be geki for several reasons that have been repeatedly stated in this thread.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on February 11, 2014, 03:55:54 pm
it can't be geki for several reasons that have been repeatedly stated in this thread.
I know, I was just making a funny because Geki is pretty much Vega minus the matador scheme and weilds a claw. I brought Geki up a while back and everyone else said the same thing.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [SX] on February 11, 2014, 03:57:45 pm
It could still be several dolls in a single character, although it wouldn't be much of a challenge since they already did the "moveset swap" thing with Lei and Gen (it's only missing the headswap).
hummmm i like this type of theory ! Several dolls in a single character (12 colors = 12 dolls) .... hummmm really FUN ! i hope :yes:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on February 11, 2014, 03:58:09 pm
if the joke bombed back then, why would you do it again :pwn:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on February 11, 2014, 04:02:35 pm
I was more thinking about something like, input command = current doll jumps out, next doll jumps in (or any other kind of switch-a-roo action), has her own moveset, rather than each doll being an alternate color/costume.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on February 11, 2014, 04:12:51 pm
I don't think 7th gen consoles have the...capacity for something like that. That's a lot of character models to load up at one time. and other stuff. I think.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on February 11, 2014, 04:17:36 pm
They're mostly head swaps. I could imagine two instances of the same body (if two appear at the same time, but they can time the switch animation so that it doesn't happen), having just the head be a separate object, and switching doll switches the head (and any other item they may carry) as long as they have a proper animation to make it look right. It could count as the "technical challenge" they wanted to do, without being too demanding. But it's just a random guess. I really don't know what they'll come up with, though I think there's a chance it's viable.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 11, 2014, 04:18:26 pm
if you've seen the tech videos of how MK fatalities are handled, you'd know that you can replicate the same model a large number of times indeed.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on February 11, 2014, 04:19:32 pm
it's technically possible, but learning to use or fight against a character with 12 styles sounds like a nightmare
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on February 11, 2014, 04:20:22 pm
For the sake of balance... do you really think they are going to put that kind of character in the game?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on February 11, 2014, 04:23:15 pm
Wouldn't it be funny if the 5th character is a knockoff M.U.G.E.N. character. "We told you they were stealing ideas from us!"
But yeah, 12 styles is a bit much.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on February 11, 2014, 04:27:23 pm
Lei has 5 stances. A couple of specials each would be enough, and not all of them need to have unique normals, maybe half a dozen at the very most (like Lei's 5), and it can work if they're recognizable enough - here again, just like Lei's "lay dead", "backward" and animal styles. But yeah, of course it would still be crazy.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on February 11, 2014, 05:23:37 pm
Canonically, SF4 happens years before SF3: - SF1: Happens 9 years before SFZ2(or it was SF2?) - SFZ2-Z3: Happens 3-2 years before SF2. Dictator's soul was hosted at Rose's body till Shadaloo scientists made a new body for him, leaving Rose's around there. - SF2: Main time reference. - SF4: Happens one year after SF2. - SSF4: Happens one year after SF4. So...2 years after SF2. - SSF4AE: ???!!! - USF4: ???!!! - SF3(2nd Impact): Happens 6 years after SF2. - SF3: 3rd Strike: happens 7 years after SF2.
Seems(dunno where I read this) that SF2 happens during 1992-1993.
That's why my main choice was their Mistress. The only thing that kills my point is that Dictator killed her like 20 years before SFZ(reading Udon). But, hey! It's Capcom! They resurrected Gouken. And Dictator. And Rose. And Gen. Soooo, having her in this Walking Dead fighting game wouldn't be that strange after all :P.
BUT! Knowing that is Capcom(again), and Ono(?) said this new character comes in the quick side...I'd say is one of the DOLLs.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 11, 2014, 05:40:58 pm
That's not related to what I said ? I was commenting on your post where you said the Udon comics explained Dictator's absence from SF3, to justify that his master was a good idea. I was saying that SF2 already explained his absence from SF3 back then, without a need for the comics, and without a need to include his master.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 11, 2014, 06:18:39 pm
oh, but if sf4 happens after sf2 , nor before, then it retcons dictator's sf2 soul death.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on February 11, 2014, 06:29:04 pm
That's not related to what I said ? I was commenting on your post where you said the Udon comics explained Dictator's absence from SF3, to justify that his master was a good idea. I was saying that SF2 already explained his absence from SF3 back then, without a need for the comics, and without a need to include his master.
But, hey! It's Capcom! They resurrected Gouken. And Dictator. And Rose. And Gen. Soooo, having her in this Walking Dead fighting game wouldn't be that strange after all :P.
Gouki killed Dictator with his SGS, in the end of SF2(one of its versions, D: ). That's canon. Even Udon knew this, so they put that very(and awesome) moment in their comics.
BUT!! Let's remember that super short video of Street Fighter 4 starred by C. Viper. Dictator didn't die. He was fought by a super team of Ryu, Ken, Chun Li, cammy and Guile...then he performed a move similar to a bomb and he was presumebly dead. Then we saw his body in a life capsule(whatever). That's where all the confussion comes. Canonically, Dictator dies with SGS. Period. But now, Capcom thought he would be awesome in SF4 so...they had to re-do his death, since SGS kills the SOUL itself.
Blame Capcom, not me =(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on February 11, 2014, 06:32:12 pm
Canonically, SF4 happens years before SF3: - SF1: Happens 9 years before SFZ2(or it was SF2?) - SFZ2-Z3: Happens 3-2 years before SF2. Dictator's soul was hosted at Rose's body till Shadaloo scientists made a new body for him, leaving Rose's around there. - SF2: Main time reference. - SF4: Happens one year after SF2. - SSF4: Happens one year after SF4. So...2 years after SF2. - SSF4AE: ???!!! - USF4: ???!!! - SF3(2nd Impact): Happens 6 years after SF2. - SF3: 3rd Strike: happens 7 years after SF2.
Seems(dunno where I read this) that SF2 happens during 1992-1993.
That's why my main choice was their Mistress. The only thing that kills my point is that Dictator killed her like 20 years before SFZ(reading Udon). But, hey! It's Capcom! They resurrected Gouken. And Dictator. And Rose. And Gen. Soooo, having her in this Walking Dead fighting game wouldn't be that strange after all :P.
BUT! Knowing that is Capcom(again), and Ono(?) said this new character comes in the quick side...I'd say is one of the DOLLs.
Reading this, I think Charlie will be ressurrected one day XD ... That's Capcom.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on February 11, 2014, 06:35:47 pm
BUT!! Let's remember that super short video of Street Fighter 4 starred by C. Viper. Dictator didn't die. He was fought by a super team of Ryu, Ken, Chun Li, cammy and Guile...then he performed a move similar to a bomb and he was presumebly dead. Then we saw his body in a life capsule(whatever). That's where all the confussion comes. Canonically, Dictator dies with SGS. Period. But now, Capcom thought he would be awesome in SF4 so...they had to re-do his death, since SGS kills the SOUL itself.
Blame Capcom, not me =(
Sgs killing the soul is something ive only ever seen in fan story guides.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on February 11, 2014, 06:36:38 pm
Well, I tought the 5th character is a really all-new-original character... If she's a Doll, will break the prupose of "New Character making her debut in Fighting Games".
I'm surely hope the 5th character are a badass girl like Chun-Li or Rose[The only SRIOUS BSNESS girls in SF]. Not a Doll.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bea on February 11, 2014, 06:38:13 pm
I'd be a happy girl if it turns out to be Jessica Haggar for no reason whatsoever. :P And that she mimics her father's fighting style.
But yeah, Capcom wouldn't be that brilliant.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on February 11, 2014, 06:39:34 pm
SGS process is all conjecture. People implied it was soul related since it doesn't leave you a bloody corpse (also it sounded cool).
When Gill was "killed" with the SGS, Resurrection didn't involve any soul manipulation capabilities afaik.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on February 11, 2014, 06:42:33 pm
Concept of "Shun Goku Satsu"
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The actual attack of the Shun Goku Satsu is never displayed explicitly onscreen. When performed, the user glides towards the opponent and grabs them. Before anything can be seen, the screen blacks out as the character is relentlessly beaten as showcased by a series of flashes. At the end, the opponent is found on the ground, knocked out as the user stands over the opponent, usually with their back turned to the screen.
The Shun Goku Satsu is revealed to be linked with Akuma's design. His design inspiration came from the Nio, the twin, wrath filled guardians of the Buddha (which are seen in some of Akuma's stages in various Street Fighter games). In some Buddhist beliefs, there are sixteen hells which punish the soul, eight of fire and eight of ice. The Shun Goku Satsu is the channeling of these sixteen hells to the opponent's soul through the user's soul, which in gameplay is displayed as fifteen hit sparks and, provided that the opponent's health is low enough, he/she will die in the final hell which is displayed as fire and the "heaven" kanji symbol in some games. Due to the fact that sixteen hells are being channelled through the user to destroy the opponent's soul, the user is put at immense risk - if the user fails to maintain a Zen state of mind throughout the course of the technique, it will backfire and turn the punishment of the sixteen hells on the user.
I found it in some foruns, but I don't know if this text are correct. Sounds more like a theory[But the best, I found]
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on February 11, 2014, 06:53:06 pm
The only somewhat canon explanation for the shungokusatsu is that its a piercing attack where the performer stabs the opponent and releases a thirty something hadoukens inside the wound. That was the nature of the move in Ryu Final and Gouken was initially designed with the entry wound for this.
Evil ryu HAS the entry wound for it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 11, 2014, 07:05:39 pm
I'd be a happy girl if it turns out to be Jessica Haggar for no reason whatsoever. :P And that she mimics her father's fighting style.
But yeah, Capcom wouldn't be that brilliant.
too good to happen.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on February 11, 2014, 07:44:10 pm
Canonically, the only one who has survived SGS was Gen, who was be able to "split" momentarily his soul from his body. That's why he "defeated" Gouki, simply by not being killed by his SGS.
Then SF4's version of Gouken arrived, screwing up everything D: .
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Thedge on February 11, 2014, 08:00:59 pm
As E has metioned several times, SF had a nice plot until SF4 came.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 11, 2014, 08:16:42 pm
even the fan guide ade a lot of sense when ir only consisted of official capcom statements, stuff found in the games and stuff leaked from artbooks, etc...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on February 11, 2014, 09:29:41 pm
Canonically, SF4 happens years before SF3: - SF1: Happens 9 years before SFZ2(or it was SF2?) - SFZ2-Z3: Happens 3-2 years before SF2. Dictator's soul was hosted at Rose's body till Shadaloo scientists made a new body for him, leaving Rose's around there. - SF2: Main time reference. - SF4: Happens one year after SF2. - SSF4: Happens one year after SF4. So...2 years after SF2. - SSF4AE: ???!!! - USF4: ???!!! - SF3(2nd Impact): Happens 6 years after SF2. - SF3: 3rd Strike: happens 7 years after SF2.
Where did this timeline come from? Obviously, all SF4s take place in alternate dimensions, like the SF2s.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Mgbenz on February 11, 2014, 10:05:51 pm
Canonically, the only one who has survived SGS was Gen, who was be able to "split" momentarily his soul from his body. That's why he "defeated" Gouki, simply by not being killed by his SGS.
Then SF4's version of Gouken arrived, screwing up everything D: .
Canon also states that Akuma never killed anyone besides Gouken. It's clearly stated that he only challenges people who he deem strong and are in peak condition.
So when Gouken showed up he officially never killed anyone.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Trinitronity on February 11, 2014, 10:12:21 pm
Canonically, the only one who has survived SGS was Gen, who was be able to "split" momentarily his soul from his body. That's why he "defeated" Gouki, simply by not being killed by his SGS.
Then SF4's version of Gouken arrived, screwing up everything D: .
Canon also states that Akuma never killed anyone besides Gouken. It's clearly stated that he only challenges people who he deem strong and are in peak condition.
So when Gouken showed up he officially never killed anyone.
Wait, and what about Goutetsu? Or am I missing something?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on February 11, 2014, 10:16:37 pm
USF4 new character is Goutetsu's mind, very much alive, put in... the body of a doll... and he tries to seal Dictator's powers through the doll. Yeah.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Mgbenz on February 11, 2014, 10:18:15 pm
Oh right Goutetsu. I forgot. Yeah he killed one person but Goutetsu expected to be killed by him anyway and was proud about it. So in a ways it was suicide.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on February 11, 2014, 10:26:40 pm
I'm surprised Guile has made it this long without at least getting a low sonic boom or something.
I think Guile's more like K9999 at this point, where the character has a fuckton of command moves and basic attacks with special properties yet only 2 special moves, all of that instead of the standard basic attack moveset with a bunch of special moves.
And well, he did get the shades of glory move! That ought to count for something :beatnik:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on February 15, 2014, 02:09:07 am
Uh, K9999 has three special attacks and only one command attack. So no.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on February 15, 2014, 02:20:38 am
yeah but his basic attacks are quite different than your usual single hit punch! Just look at his aerial strong punch D:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on February 15, 2014, 02:25:16 am
i see what you're saying
but a more notable example would be seth (the cool as shit, white mohawk, black dude), who has a fuckton of commands and can chain most of them shits together
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on February 15, 2014, 02:28:39 am
I should've used a better way to explain what I tried to say. Guile, while he lacks special moves, he does have several command and basic attacks that let him do a lot of things. He can even move forward while still retaining his back direction charge. I only compared him to K9999 because he also lacks special moves but has really good basic attacks that are as good as many other special attacks from some other characters so he, as well as guile, can get away with having very few special attacks.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on February 15, 2014, 09:23:26 am
Moveset video for Poison. I wonder if the theme playing is her theme. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C16RWqwFzQE)
If that is her theme it's groovy as fuck. Also noticed the tiny little love hearts they put on the effects of her Ultra 1.
I'm okay with Reppa supers, but hers still doesn't look well animated at all.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bea on February 15, 2014, 11:12:17 am
Excuse me as I squee in joy as I just noticed that the model retained the bulge from SFxT, meaning that Poison is totally tucking her business. It's such a joy to see that Capcom allowed such important detail to remain. <3
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on February 15, 2014, 11:15:32 am
Bea, nothing against you, but 1) you've said that multiple times since she's been announced and 2) I'm not seeing this phantom bulge you are talking about.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bea on February 15, 2014, 11:17:55 am
The lower part of her crotch is longer and rounder than the other female models, which is exactly what happens when one tucks.
And I can't help but being excited about that minor detail. :)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on February 15, 2014, 02:57:47 pm
I'm just going to take your word for it?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on February 15, 2014, 03:59:23 pm
Excuse me as I squee in joy as I just noticed that the model retained the bulge from SFxT, meaning that Poison is totally tucking her business. It's such a joy to see that Capcom allowed such important detail to remain. <3
Poison's is more pronounced and rounder. It is even more visible on her stand animation, but I couldn't find a screenshot of it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on February 15, 2014, 04:28:56 pm
Oh, NOW I see it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4? o_O
Post by: Niitris on February 15, 2014, 04:29:18 pm
Crotch comparing ftw.
Still don't see it, but I was too distracted by the abs.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on February 15, 2014, 04:35:00 pm
i "see it" as a result of poison's waist and thighs being larger
a more appropriate comparison would've been with chunners' sfa costume (for visibility purposes) which is pretty much the same deal as poison better comparison than with cammy anyway
it's actually noticeable in poison's alts in sfxt, sure, but not so much on her default
Title: Re: Ultra MK 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on February 15, 2014, 04:35:58 pm
Would still bang it
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Long John Killer on February 15, 2014, 04:50:44 pm
Damn it, GBK, that title change got me hoping there was a late Valentine's Day announcement on remaking MK4. :(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 15, 2014, 06:12:44 pm
i "see it" as a result of poison's waist and thighs being larger
a more appropriate comparison would've been with chunners' sfa costume (for visibility purposes) which is pretty much the same deal as poison better comparison than with cammy anyway
it's actually noticeable in poison's alts in sfxt, sure, but not so much on her default
for a proper travestite it is not supossed to be too obvious unless she has a hard o, it's tucking the penis to the back then keeping it in place using some tape, so it's a very small bulge, slightly bigger than a sanitary bulge for those days of the month.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on February 15, 2014, 09:06:14 pm
Lol, Street Fighter to private part tucking.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on February 15, 2014, 09:08:01 pm
I'm still pissed about the shoryu-reppa WHY EVEN THE FUCK HHHHRRRMMMEMMERMKEMRKE
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on February 15, 2014, 09:36:45 pm
i blame capcom usa for all this bullshit
sexist pieces of shit ruined a character due to era induced sexism
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on February 15, 2014, 10:26:41 pm
Yeah, sorry, whatever bulge is there is not intentional (still am not seeing it). Sagat has a tiger toe in his alt 1, why on earth would they render Poison tucking? That's kind of absurd.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on February 15, 2014, 10:28:29 pm
Poison Envy.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on February 15, 2014, 10:51:19 pm
charlie died before he could teach that retard more moves. even the two moves he learned he does all wrong.
I disagree. At least by the time of SFIV, Guile is able to do Charlie's style of Flash Kick and has enough control over Sonic Boom to do his own move, Sonic Hurricane. (yeah I know he had it in SFA3, but... I dunno! his regular Sonic Booms sucked in that game but now they're normal and stuff)
If Charlie, they would probably split the two along similar lines as Ryu and Ken, with Charlie having more finesse and Guile having more raw power.
Makoto would be the best example, I think. Dhalsim and SFIII Chun-Li's back+button moves seem more like V-ism style "close attacks can be done from anywhere by holding back+button".
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on February 16, 2014, 12:19:45 am
Dhalsim has a lot of forward + attack moves to use his stretch too tho.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on February 16, 2014, 12:27:18 am
Aren't those able to be done with neutral also? I don't play as Dhalsim, he's too slow!!!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on February 16, 2014, 12:46:14 am
It depends on the game. Some of them have the short version on neutral and the stretch version on forward, some others have the stretch version on neutral and the short version on back. I think.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on February 16, 2014, 12:50:01 am
they weirded him up in svc iirc his stretchy attacks were done with back+attack the fuck
also
#goddammitdesk #whoneedsredfocus
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on February 16, 2014, 01:02:56 am
lol what the hell
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on February 16, 2014, 05:56:35 am
Aren't those able to be done with neutral also? I don't play as Dhalsim, he's too slow!!!
In ST, you had to use forward to use some stretchy limb normals.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 16, 2014, 06:46:41 am
Pretty much since A2 (I think), his normals were all stretchy, but you held back to do non-stretch normals.
I definitely know that's the case in CvS2.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on February 16, 2014, 07:09:43 pm
It's like that in the EX games too. If we could get EX3 Dhalsim in Ultra I'd play him.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on February 18, 2014, 02:17:05 am
Honestly Street Fighter 4 is fucking boring now. I think the game is dead, we need a new SF.
I loved this game to death from 2009-2012 but it's just boring and milked as shit now. It hasn't aged well at all either.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on February 18, 2014, 02:31:41 am
I feel pretty much the same. It's such a shame that SFxT ended up being so hated (And poorly planned by Capcom) because that could've been an acceptable replacement for a couple of years. Then again we have a very strong and dedicated AE community here so maybe my opinion isn't that popular.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on February 18, 2014, 02:43:54 am
my sentiments exactly to the 2 above me
and contrary to the fgc proper believing sfxt is a "dead" scene, i actually enjoy it more than ae, me and a good grip of my irl friends
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on February 18, 2014, 02:52:25 am
How has Street Fighter 4 "aged badly"?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on February 18, 2014, 02:56:38 am
oh i meant the boring thing, i was lost on the aged badly thing too just didnt comment on it
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 18, 2014, 03:25:56 am
that's a normal thing ot happen, you don't keep on playing the same game for 4 years without taking a break; so wanting a new sf game is normal.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on February 18, 2014, 03:36:05 am
I feel pretty much the same. It's such a shame that SFxT ended up being so hated (And poorly planned by Capcom) because that could've been an acceptable replacement for a couple of years. Then again we have a very strong and dedicated AE community here so maybe my opinion isn't that popular.
You can blame Capcom's massive incompetence on all levels for SFxT failing so hard...makes it worse since I was pretty hyped for the game as well...
While I cant say the same and believe it's gotten boring(I believe UMvC3 has hit that plateau far worse in my mind, but that's a whole different topic), I can see how others believe it got boring since this is the same level at this point as SF2.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on February 18, 2014, 04:18:32 am
Just me, but SF4 was never a visual masterpiece. It was easy to overlook the game looking iffy because it was the first "good" Street Fighter in years (also the first time they made new assets since the CPS2/CPS3 days not counting the canceled CFAS). Eventually once Capcom started to predictably use the same assets (and the nostalgia goggles wore off), eventually the perception was that SF4 would begin to look stale. I don't think it aged badly (per say), but it certainly doesn't look as good as when people first saw it (just like SF2).
As far as it becoming boring, it's Street Fighter (boring yet practical). Especially since SF4 took it back to basics for the most part, it's not exactly a game were people see all kinds of flashy, interesting stuff happening. Now that people have seen other games look way "cooler," it's plausible to feel that SF4 is "dated" in comparison.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [DKG] on February 18, 2014, 07:20:36 am
i blame capcom usa for all this bullshit sexist pieces of shit ruined a character due to era induced sexism
I thought the internet was done with this
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [SX] on February 18, 2014, 09:07:49 am
For me SFIV4ae is the only game (with The banner Saga Factions on steam) I play some online regularly fights a week I do not have much time for play and this fighting game is perfect for this: half an hour of free -> I turn on the console -> 2 or 3 fights and I cut. There is always online people and the variety of characters yet provides good durability.
But I understand that some may get tired of street fighter it depends on taste and the time available.
SF4 is old but i'm also old so i just hope that the next "Ultra" update extends the pleasure.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on February 18, 2014, 10:01:33 am
"I believe that Ultra Street Fighter IV will absolutely be the definitive version of Street Fighter IV, but for one entirely different reason than that of Third Strike. Third Strike was definitive in that it added new characters, tweaked the battle engine and had extremely deep gameplay. Ultra Street Fighter IV also shares those same qualities, yet it goes one step further by taking into account direct fan feedback in regards to character balance," ComboFiend explained.
Also everyone's getting new trials.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on February 18, 2014, 11:09:25 am
I expected them to remake the entire trial mode since this is pretty much a sequel at this point rather than a mere upgrade. Good to know that they're finally going to update the trials, they were all for vanilla SSFIV lol.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on February 18, 2014, 03:13:01 pm
That is a pipe dream, my friend.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 18, 2014, 03:56:30 pm
If this will be the DEFINITIVE version of SF4 ... it needs INDESTRUCTIBLE.
I for one am super hyped for this. Sure, we could use some STORY advancement, but the whole SF4 series has expanded the roster so much, and made so many dream matches possible, that STORY aside, this could be to SF what KOF 2002 UM is to KOF - The biggest, baddest street fighter with the most to offer to everybody.
Much like how SF3 was played for a decade, it may end up being the case with this one, except we actually get a lot more balance tweaks, feedback, hype and community interaction this time around. This is a phenomenon for SF in itself.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on February 18, 2014, 04:30:18 pm
Me too. The game sure has received a lot of hate for the multiple updates, but there's people like me who actually likes the way Capcom is supporting the game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on February 18, 2014, 04:36:44 pm
If only Capcom could do the same for its other franchises...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on February 18, 2014, 04:43:34 pm
That is a pipe dream, my friend.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on February 18, 2014, 06:40:26 pm
ultra super street fighter 4
ultra super street fighter 4 arcade edition
ultra super street fighter 4 arcade edition ver. 20XX
hyper street fighter 4
hyper super ad nauseum
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on February 18, 2014, 07:54:18 pm
Ha ha you are funny.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on February 18, 2014, 08:04:37 pm
ultra super street fighter 4 arcade edition ver. 20XX
hyper street fighter 4
hyper super ad nauseum
At this point in the development of the FGC stuff like this is passable if it is not truly being released as standalone but simply as an update. Each title brought a lot of balance changes and affected the metagame, which is what most non-casual fans want.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 18, 2014, 08:06:51 pm
Not to mention, having an USF4 ver 2015 would make sense naturally after the 5 new characters are introduced and balance tweaks are needed. No biggie.
All I ever wanted was MORE STAGES and I got them. I'm a happy man.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Cazaki on February 18, 2014, 08:43:27 pm
If this will be the DEFINITIVE version of SF4 ... it needs INDESTRUCTIBLE.
Can you believe it's been 5 years man?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on February 18, 2014, 08:45:06 pm
Besides, I'd rather have it be updated for several years to keep the competitive aspect fresh as opposed to the ten years MvC2 reigned and people wer eplaying the same broken game with not even a slight change to the balance and matchups
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: mikros on February 18, 2014, 08:49:18 pm
If this will be the DEFINITIVE version of SF4 ... it needs INDESTRUCTIBLE.
Can you believe it's been 5 years man?
Man it hurts so bad that after Vanilla, they never added back the Artwork section. Loved those videos and art pieces. I wish Ultra had that. If they could even include the reveal trailers and everything it would be swell.
Just like SFxT had some pretty kickass Reveal Trailers which they mashed up like shit to make a single intro video.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on February 18, 2014, 09:07:56 pm
Yep, dunno why they never bothered to include those. Maybe to make the game smaller in size? I doubt they're big enough to make a difference anyway.
I too miss all that concept artwork and other cool stuff. It would be fun to get it back along with other sketches and stuff related to Super and Ultra (Unused alt costumes and whatnot). Maybe they plan to do that, who knows.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on February 18, 2014, 09:15:50 pm
I remember the Super reveal trailer for Ibuki, Makoto and Dudley that had this kickass remix. Oh man, I was really hyped... too bad the BGMs ended up being really dull in-game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on February 18, 2014, 09:23:51 pm
Idk, I'm just glad Ono was able to talk Capcom into green-lighting SF4 (at least that's the story I heard).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on February 18, 2014, 11:54:58 pm
I remember the Super reveal trailer for Ibuki, Makoto and Dudley that had this kickass remix. Oh man, I was really hyped... too bad the BGMs ended up being really dull in-game.
But the actual themes kicked the hell out of that electronic squealy garbage.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on February 19, 2014, 12:10:03 am
Honestly, Hakan's trailer theme was ten thousand times better than what we got.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on February 19, 2014, 12:26:58 am
I agree, but Renzo didn't put up Hakan's trailer. For Ibuki, Makoto and Dudley, the in-game themes beat the trailers' cold.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on February 19, 2014, 12:32:51 am
I only liked Makoto's, and barely. The other two were pretty bland for me. I'd rather use stage music to avoid those.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Endorfan on February 19, 2014, 01:35:05 am
I really wanted them to remix Hugo's 2nd Impact theme rather them his 3S's.
But is not likely to happen, just like Ibuki and Dudley.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on February 19, 2014, 01:46:30 am
There we go.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on February 19, 2014, 02:20:39 am
There we go. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9zG34SM1jc[/youtube]
WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME WHY DID CAPCOM NOT USE THIS THEME
THIS WAS SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE SHIT WE GOT
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on February 19, 2014, 08:28:15 am
It wasn't even in the OST (Was there even an AE OST? I know the extra themes were in that Anniversary disc set, whatever) What the hell Capcom.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on February 19, 2014, 10:43:57 am
I like that version but the vocals kinda get in the way if you plan to use it in the game itself. The song totally fits its purpose of a trailer song though and the in-game Hakan theme is just fine anyway and it fits him more.
Sometimes you just have to go with what fits the character better and not for what it sounds better (Like Dudley and Ibuki's reveal trailer themes).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on February 19, 2014, 10:41:05 pm
Pertaining to AE:2012, you can now play money matches via Virgin Gaming. (http://iplaywinner.com/news/2014/2/19/capcom-virgin-gaming-introduces-super-street-fighter-iv-arca.html)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 19, 2014, 10:47:56 pm
that sounds good. anybody familiar with the system ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Karasai on February 19, 2014, 11:21:25 pm
Makoto's and Ibuki's sounded nice, shame they never used those
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on February 19, 2014, 11:51:15 pm
Pertaining to AE:2012, you can now play money matches via Virgin Gaming. (http://iplaywinner.com/news/2014/2/19/capcom-virgin-gaming-introduces-super-street-fighter-iv-arca.html)
Isn't that online gambling?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on February 20, 2014, 12:57:20 am
It's more akin to paid league tournaments.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on February 20, 2014, 12:58:14 am
If you consider paying to enter a tournament gambling, sure. "Money matching" isn't the correct term for this, at least not if you are familiar with the fighting game equivalent.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on February 20, 2014, 10:43:22 am
Is it gambling if you play pool or cards and get money if you win
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on February 20, 2014, 11:04:47 am
If you consider paying to enter a tournament gambling, sure. "Money matching" isn't the correct term for this, at least not if you are familiar with the fighting game equivalent.
I know of money matches, I'm just screwing around.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on February 20, 2014, 11:13:50 am
Is it gambling if you play pool or cards and get money if you win
There isn't any head-to-head betting on Virgin Gaming, and there are several free-to-enter tournaments. I don't consider multiple players putting money into a pot in a game of skill gambling. If you definition of gambling is just the potential of receiving money from the investment of money, then buying raffle tickets that little kids sell at school is gambling. Also pool and cards are not comparable in this context.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on February 20, 2014, 11:18:49 am
I wasn't saying "it's gambling", nor was I saying "it's not gambling". It's a tournament where several people put money on the table and the winner takes all. By the way, that would sooner imply that pool and cards aren't gambling either, rather than imply participating in tournaments is gambling.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on February 20, 2014, 11:20:31 am
ok
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Insigniawarfare on February 21, 2014, 09:44:28 am
Hugo trailer.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on February 21, 2014, 02:15:08 pm
What happened to his voice?! Where is "HAMMAH MOUNTAN!!!!"?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on February 21, 2014, 02:31:18 pm
This voice is the same as in SFxT so I don't get why you're complaining about it now unless you really weren't aware. His English voice is closer to the one in 3S so at least there's that.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on February 21, 2014, 02:37:54 pm
I didn't play SFxT for long. But when I did play it I tended to pick Hugo a lot. I wonder why I didn't notice it sounded so different in that game? The pacing of the game make his voice fit and now that it's an actual SF game it sounds odd??? :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Thedge on February 21, 2014, 03:38:33 pm
As I said when SFXT came out, Hugo is the proof we need to show why DS won't work with this engine/animations/technology/whatever, he seems so lifeless compared to his 2D counterpart that is sad at so many levels.
And that voice, man that voice is terrible.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on February 21, 2014, 04:12:03 pm
Well they would need a whole new engine for ds, no surprises there. Its however not impossible, what they did with the last gg shows that its possible to create a heavy model use 3d with stylization
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 21, 2014, 04:30:45 pm
The lifeless part Thedge is referring to is how Hugo looks animation wise, rather than technology wise.
In my opinion, it could be done without a problem. All that game would need is a different Art Director. It's pretty clear that everything took a turn for the worse since SUPER SF4 came around, all the new characters from 3S look too bland when compared to the original designs from VANILLA, where it's pretty clear they were trying to differentiate the characters based on their physical appearance (namely their faces). Everything that came after was just too tame, all faces are too small and pretty and Disney-like, instead of the original rough looking designs with Ryu's nose being a bit broken, etc
They'd need to use different shaders, maybe either closer to what eighting did with MVC3 and/or JoJo ASB. And make sure to make all stages very atmospherical in mood, instead of just anything like they did in SF. Stages are the main problem for me in SF4, too bland, little personality.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 21, 2014, 04:45:27 pm
walt: just a simple question, have you seen guikty gear xrd videos ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on February 21, 2014, 04:48:45 pm
So it isn't just me. I didn't want to say it because I though it would sound like nostalgia speaking.
I wouldn't trust Capcom to put that much effort into Darkstalkers. Capcom did say that they couldn't get the style right with the technology of current/last gen hardware.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 21, 2014, 04:53:21 pm
walt: just a simple question, have you seen guikty gear xrd videos ?
Yeah, just this morning I saw JZ posted on FB a video of a full arcade run with Sol and MAN this game is so polished.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the current engine they have, a good game could be done definitely with what they have, using the right art direction. And if your point is that it should look anime-ish like GGXrd, I politely disagree.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on February 21, 2014, 06:14:09 pm
i always wished they would do to kof if they decided to take a (falcoon less) 3d transition what they did to ggxrd that's been in my mind for years and seeing it executed flawlessly just reinforces it more
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on February 21, 2014, 06:14:37 pm
ANIMUUUUUUU. What was Alpha then?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Mgbenz on February 21, 2014, 06:30:56 pm
Isn't DS already anime? Or is Lilith not loli enough?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on February 21, 2014, 06:35:52 pm
And the Marvel games...?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 21, 2014, 06:45:07 pm
Something that got ditched for SF3 style, then translated to 3D flawlessly. Not everything has to have a celshaded look, SF4 did it right ... if it's not broken, don't fix it.
Edit: You know what, cel shading looks wonderful and dark JUST PERFECT in The Wolf Among Us, which has a very peculiar art direction. They just need someone who has a clear vision of what DS/VS should be (not the guys who made SF4), and go from there.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on February 21, 2014, 06:59:17 pm
SFA/DS/Marvel was all Anime with a Comic & Disney twist. They all blended perfectly with one another.
Toon styled cell-shading doesn't work for Street Fighter on it's own. The artstyle is fine (even if some of the exaggerated proportional choices look off). The animations don't look as good as they used to, but that was to be expected tbh.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 21, 2014, 07:06:35 pm
walt: just a simple question, have you seen guikty gear xrd videos ?
Yeah, just this morning I saw JZ posted on FB a video of a full arcade run with Sol and MAN this game is so polished.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the current engine they have, a good game could be done definitely with what they have, using the right art direction. And if your point is that it should look anime-ish like GGXrd, I politely disagree.
that's not my point. GGxrd runs on current/previous gen ( ps3 version was announced ) and it can do what capcom said can't be done. otherwise chaarcters like millia and venom would be impossible, and even character like may use morphing. there's noting wrong with current gen,the thign taht might be broken is the sf4 engine (or thea rt direction if you please, but capcom blames hardware)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on February 21, 2014, 07:09:54 pm
... In a 3-vs-3 game with 6 transforming characters at the same time. What Capcom said about DS in MvC3 would most certainly not apply to a classic 1vs1 game. I don't know about 2vs2.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on February 22, 2014, 01:27:00 am
I'm confused, what you just said sounds backwards.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on February 22, 2014, 01:36:09 am
How ? Transforming characters the way DS characters do, put 6 of them on the screen at the same time. That's harder than having only 2 of them in a fight. Where is that backward ? When Capcom said it wasn't doable, it's highly likely they were talking in the context of MvC3 since the question at the time was about that game. That's why they said it couldn't be done because of hardware limitation, not because it's impossible to do one transforming character, but because it's impossible to have 6 of them at once. Those limitations obviously shouldn't apply in a 1vs1 game like a regular Darkstalkers. People keep saying Capcom lied about those limitations, but they never said anything about transforming characters in a 1vs1 game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on February 22, 2014, 02:30:03 am
i think what he, [e], meant was the transformations and crazy ds animations only, considering there are 2 ds chars in mvc3 there's shouldn't be a problem making a full game with all of the ds cast, 3v3 aside
that's what I got from it Iay be wrong
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on February 22, 2014, 08:47:23 pm
No that's what I meant. Thanks.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on February 22, 2014, 08:50:28 pm
DS is more "Saturday Morning Cartoon-y" so, this wouldn't be a problem if they drew 2-D sprites instead of sticking with polygons.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on February 22, 2014, 09:00:04 pm
It would help, but Capcom has stated that they will not use 2D sprites for new assets. Besides being a financial burden, the mass public in the west doesn't like 2D sprites.
One of the obligations of SF4's development was that it had to be in 3D (the graphics anyway).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on February 25, 2014, 06:16:43 am
It's good to see that despite having so little money to spare on games, Capcom can scrounge together enough capital to pay for a billboard to play their trailer on in Times Square (http://instagram.com/p/k0M6ngS4SZ#).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on February 25, 2014, 06:29:05 am
It doesn't cost that much to advertise on Times Square (at least not for Capcom).
Even Haunts owns an oppai mousepad. (http://instagram.com/p/iCZhrCS4VS/) I feel compelled to get one now.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on February 25, 2014, 07:08:09 am
Haunts is a fucking weird anime pervert though, so of course he does.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on February 25, 2014, 11:14:36 am
The marvel games had awesome cartoon stylization which started witih experiments in darkstalkers.
You can see this by, amidst other things, the way that the games implemented blurs and speedlines.
In the alpha series the speedlines were on the backdrop.when you hit a hyper, in the marvel series the speedlines and blurs were inside the sprites themselves. A kick in the marvel series can have more blur and speedlines to it than an alpha series hyper.
Morrigan gethits have more traditional animation technique to them than half the street fighter series.
I think everyone throws around the word anime a lot without knowing what they mean due to lack of vocabulary.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on February 25, 2014, 11:41:09 am
In the alpha series the speedlines were on the backdrop.when you hit a hyper, in the marvel series the speedlines and blurs were inside the sprites themselves. A kick in the marvel series can have more blur and speedlines to it than an alpha series hyper.
There was blur and stuff in the Alpha sprites too. Just not to the same degree.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: One Man Aumio on February 26, 2014, 12:32:44 pm
(http://cdn.medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/dir_3123/image_312352_fit_940.jpg) Is it Retsu????????? The 5th character!!!!!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [DKG] on February 26, 2014, 12:37:44 pm
go away, you're months delayed...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: One Man Aumio on February 26, 2014, 12:39:31 pm
Is the 5th char female?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on February 26, 2014, 12:41:01 pm
Mentioned twice here already.
Ono already deconfirmed Retsu. (http://mugenguild.com/forum/msg.1879939) Let's just wait until Final Round.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on February 26, 2014, 12:41:27 pm
and the adventure continues.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on February 26, 2014, 12:42:34 pm
............Until the end?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: One Man Aumio on February 26, 2014, 12:49:01 pm
Not Retsu, not R Mika. Exists in the SF universe, just first playable, speedy attacks, NO HYPE EXPECTED UPON REVEAL.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 26, 2014, 05:36:23 pm
it's missing the it's female and it appeared on the comics. besides that there was the interview in which they said that not previously in a fighting game meant not previously playable in a sf game; but my guess is that they said that to increase speculation and in fact the not prevously playable in a fighting game (which is the more exclusive condition) holds true. did a female from a wrestling game/beat em up made it to the comics ? I am fearing that decapre was too optimistic and we might get roxy now.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on February 26, 2014, 06:22:58 pm
Roxy is just a palette swap for Poison. Don't expect her to be in the game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on February 26, 2014, 06:25:53 pm
Yeah, it would be more optimistic to think they would have Decapre instead.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on February 26, 2014, 06:30:05 pm
The latest tip shows that the 5th character is a female which uses claws. The only one I can think of is Decapre, but she may not be in as she is just a palette swap of Cammy.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on February 26, 2014, 06:30:57 pm
why would roxy being a palette swap stop her from being in the game. evil ryu was a palette swap. the shotos are headswaps. yung or yan are headswaps. decapre is a headswap. etcetera.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 26, 2014, 06:36:59 pm
The latest tip shows that the 5th character is a female which uses claws.
About this - I saw the pic, but when did that image surface? I thought it was old and disregarded it. I didn't know it was "the latest tip" : O
you should know better than to reply to an uche post.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Basara Dandy on February 26, 2014, 06:43:18 pm
The pic of Spanish Ninja's claw over the SSFIV arcade from Capcom. I was about to requote the pic various pages ago, but the image was down (coincidence??), maybe that's what uche is talking about (or not?)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 26, 2014, 06:48:59 pm
yeah, that moves the speculation towards decapre, btu it mgith have been just a redherring like all the pictures with the blanka doll.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bea on February 26, 2014, 07:04:06 pm
Until Capcom reveals who she is, I will just daydream that it is Jessica Haggar and that I will get the chance to bitch slap Cody with her. But that too won't come to pass, so eh. :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on February 26, 2014, 07:05:53 pm
Will the Universe explode if i was right with my theory about the Yoshinori Ono dressed as Chun Li character with Mokujin like Gameplay? :-)
When will the 5th character get revealed again?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Trinitronity on February 26, 2014, 07:07:47 pm
Fuck, you are right. But at least they don't break the continuity too much because they have their III looks. Putting a grown-up character when she is supposed to be a child will be a wtf scenario...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on February 27, 2014, 12:05:10 am
I know it is a distant dream, but I still have hope that the fifth character is the Gouken's daughter. More because the old manga, and above all, by the fact that this character has been sought by many, and even Capcom itself did not actually talked about it.
Many people say that there is a Japanese manual of Street Fighter II (However I do not know if it's the Street Fighter II or Super Street Fighter II Turbo), which shows that Gouken has a daughter, and was never told about it. It's what they told me about it.
But since they said that the new fighter will use claws, then it is sure to be Decapre.
It is hardly a totally "original" char, about to make his first appearance in the fighting game. Even in cameo in Street Fighter Alpha 3, she arrived to appear.
And I see no reason for "dolls" continue to be Bison's "servants". The endings of Cammy and T. Hawk are already showing that they were no longer Bison killer toys. Theoretically, she[Decapre] would be dead, right?
It's just my opinion. Posted: February 27, 2014, 12:06:01 am
Fuck, you are right. But at least they don't break the continuity too much because they have their III looks. Putting a grown-up character when she is supposed to be a child will be a wtf scenario...
WTF scenario... "What If"....Like... ONI? [What if Gouki lost control of Satsui No Hadou, and succumb to this energy. This theoretically never happen since there Shin Gouki.]
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on February 27, 2014, 12:59:19 am
And I see no reason for "dolls" continue to be Bison's "servants". The endings of Cammy and T. Hawk are already showing that they were no longer Bison killer toys. Theoretically, she[Decapre] would be dead, right?
did not joline just give them a beating but they are pretty much alive ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on February 27, 2014, 02:01:49 am
And I see no reason for "dolls" continue to be Bison's "servants". The endings of Cammy and T. Hawk are already showing that they were no longer Bison killer toys. Theoretically, she[Decapre] would be dead, right?
did not joline just give them a beating but they are pretty much alive ?
In Zero 3 plot, if my memory helps, Bison activated auto-destruction for dolls [Seppuku or a thing like this], and before the base explodes, Cammy rescued some dolls. Juni and Juli are the ones rescued. [Juni recovered her mind, but she's acting normal in Cammy's SSF4 ending, and Juli are in a catatonic/amnesia state in SSF4 T.Hawk's ending]
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 27, 2014, 06:26:37 am
IV comes before III, so she's just a baby by the time Ultra happens. Very unlikely it's her.
didn't stop them from discarding the rest of canon
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on February 27, 2014, 08:18:02 am
lol i said this like 4 yrs ago and now it's an issue
yea fuck all that shit put baby chun in and 20 something yr old mel even tho he was just born in ssfiv
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lichtbringer on February 27, 2014, 10:00:02 am
It is Capcom, they could put any young version of a SFIII char in it, and can retcon the shit out of the story, or just let the char die in or after the ending and say the SFIII version is a younger clone or something like that.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on February 27, 2014, 12:24:25 pm
Yes, because that's totally everything they've done in all their previous games. This "it's Capcom" excuse to throw stupid ideas is a load of shit.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 地獄の花 on February 27, 2014, 07:28:11 pm
a real loli in a sf game? i still bet it's a final fight minor character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on February 27, 2014, 07:32:20 pm
Yeah I know Capcom doesn't make the continuity a priority (thinking about it who really does), but even they aren't going to make up any random nonsense just to add X character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 27, 2014, 09:07:12 pm
they will just add it, she will be older and there will be no explanation. did they bother explaining ibuki ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on February 27, 2014, 09:21:01 pm
Street Fighter probably doesn't have a story any more.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jesuszilla on February 27, 2014, 09:23:27 pm
I really do hope they add that little girl and make her inexplicably older just so everyone can agree that SFIV is just a huge dream match and we can retcon it.
Not that I wasn't already considering it not part of the story.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lichtbringer on February 27, 2014, 11:26:06 pm
Afaik Street Fighter Alpha/Zero 2 retconned many parts of the story from the first game. If this don't count as a previous game, then I don't know. xD
Yeah ! Remember when SFZ2 had a younger version of an old character, made significant changes to an established timeline by making various characters jump around in it, and had younger clones of other characters that were now dead ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on February 28, 2014, 01:03:42 am
SFZero = Start of Zero series, but a little "buggy"
SFZero 2 = Gameplay Upgrade of SFZero and better start storyline of Zero.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on February 28, 2014, 01:27:37 am
yes same with sfiii ng and 2i
and the maaaaaaaaaaaaaaany updates to sfii
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Insigniawarfare on February 28, 2014, 09:28:38 am
Ultra Elena Trailer.
I wonder if that Elena Beats theme song that's playing in this trailer will be in the game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on February 28, 2014, 10:29:57 am
I really do hope they add that little girl and make her inexplicably older just so everyone can agree that SFIV is just a huge dream match and we can retcon it.
Not that I wasn't already considering it not part of the story.
You know, they could just add her as a child actually. I guess that would fit the whole "hard thing to code that they couldnt before" . Its not easy having throws work in 3d for characters that dont have the same relative size.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Navana on February 28, 2014, 10:37:06 am
Afaik Street Fighter Alpha/Zero 2 retconned many parts of the story from the first game. If this don't count as a previous game, then I don't know. xD
Yeah ! Remember when SFZ2 had a younger version of an old character, made significant changes to an established timeline by making various characters jump around in it, and had younger clones of other characters that were now dead ?
You don't have to be extra sarcastic or aggressiv, my point was that they did retconned stuff before and that they can do it again if they want to, and if it still makes you angry that I sayed "Capcom" before, just replace it with "A company that want your money and will add anything to there game, if they believe you would pay money for it", if that makes you feel better. ;D
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on February 28, 2014, 02:36:37 pm
It is Capcom, they could put any young version of a SFIII char in it, and can retcon the shit out of the story, or just let the char die in or after the ending and say the SFIII version is a younger clone or something like that.
This was bullshit seeing how they never did any of that, and you're just mad that you're being called out on it. The closest there is is the 3S characters in SSF4, and there's no story in it, they actually removed the story bits that were in vanilla SF4 to add popular characters outside of the story. They didn't even retcon the story for that, the only retcon is Gouken surviving for all this time and it's not as big a retcon as that. So yeah, the "it's Capcom" excuse is dumb.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on February 28, 2014, 06:33:55 pm
I want to split Titiln's post and the 2 replies below it and make those 3 posts a Hall of Fame thread.
What will be the name?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lith on February 28, 2014, 07:54:26 pm
"Titiln reveals Capcom's dark motives to the masses"
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SeanMackgewer on February 28, 2014, 07:57:59 pm
Realistically, how many of us think we'll buy Ultra?
- Show of hands?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on February 28, 2014, 07:59:27 pm
I'm definitely getting it, and not just for the Poison Elena nude mods.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on February 28, 2014, 08:01:35 pm
EVO is my Christmas, Excellent Adventures is my favorite show in the world, I'll buy the expansion for current gen (only for Xbox 360), and will buy again when I get a PS4.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on February 28, 2014, 08:03:26 pm
That doesn't mean you have to give it to her in a NEW game. If you can change the animations for ultras you can do it for supers too. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR ALL OF THESE SHORYU REPPAS, it's lazy.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on March 01, 2014, 01:06:28 am
I am buying the game for HUGO alone. He is #1.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 01, 2014, 01:09:44 am
They don't do that when the character already has enough supers to use as base, and when they do it's only cosmetics, the main use of the move is unchanged. So a Shouryuu Reppa would still be a Shouryuu Reppa even with the same kind of cosmetic change as the Ultras. The biggest change they made to an existing super when creating an Ultra is Ken's Guren Senpuu kyaku and that looked retarded.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 01, 2014, 01:12:17 am
Ain't nobody MARRIED got money for that. I'll watch it in my Cinema Room I'm putting together :gugoi:
Aaaww. You are right, I'll try to be as obnoxious as I can on stage in the finals day so you can catch me up on stream (of course not playing, but in the crowd).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 01, 2014, 01:16:48 am
They don't do that when the character already has enough supers to use as base, and when they do it's only cosmetics, the main use of the move is unchanged. So a Shouryuu Reppa would still be a Shouryuu Reppa even with the same kind of cosmetic change as the Ultras. The biggest change they made to an existing super when creating an Ultra is Ken's Guren Senpuu kyaku and that looked retarded.
Since I've never done a Ultra, and he did it to me once, I thought it looked cool............. :sad:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on March 01, 2014, 01:22:47 am
I'll be buying. And Jojo's. And Stick of Truth. And DW8XL. Man, I'm gonna be poor as hell the next couple of months.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 01, 2014, 01:25:35 am
What's DW8XL?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 01, 2014, 01:29:14 am
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=DW8XL
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on March 01, 2014, 01:29:22 am
Realistically, how many of us think we'll buy Ultra?
- Show of hands?
Only if it has enough single player features from the best obsure multiplayer fighting games. Like maybe a beat em up section like Guilty Gear Isuka (with simpler controls) or Guardian Heroes. Even if its DLC I'll buy it. Though I'll too be busy cause of work and spriting. I did bought Dragon's Crown and have only played less than 8 hours of it. Most fighting games I play these days are more than 10 years old like Real Bout, Last Blade or SFA3 just so I can get ideas, inspiration and motivation.
Ultra SF4 would most likely be marketed to competitive players so I doubt any of these game features will be available.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jesuszilla on March 01, 2014, 10:01:06 am
I'm of course getting it because I love seeing T. Hawk get constant buffs in each update.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on March 02, 2014, 02:50:42 am
Did Vega/Claw get any buffs?? It always seems that my favorite maniacal matador always gets the short end of the stick... :(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 03, 2014, 04:16:58 am
Wow...To the SRC announcement....
Adding in all the old versions of the characters definitely just seems too insane now.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 03, 2014, 04:26:59 am
OH MY GOD. I want to see how the matchup lists are going to look now :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DMK on March 03, 2014, 04:29:33 am
That is so freaking awesome and Capcom are really going all out on this. Dat Saget
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 03, 2014, 04:40:52 am
You guys should've linked to something instead of making me Google it >:[
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 03, 2014, 04:46:02 am
You guys should've linked to something instead of making me Google it >:[ [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOhECaPwsho[/youtube]
The video like showed up 5-10 minutes ago...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 03, 2014, 04:48:11 am
The SRK link has been there for about 30 minutes now (http://shoryuken.com/2014/03/02/capcom-announces-edition-select-for-ultra-street-fighter-iv-play-characters-from-past-versions-of-street-fighter-iv/), but we know now, it's not a big deal anymore.
I'm maining pre-patch AE Yun. :3
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on March 03, 2014, 04:48:12 am
Oh my god SSF4 Bison is back. Awesome.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 03, 2014, 04:49:59 am
This kinda defeats the purpose of balancing a game but whatever helps them to keep interest in this washed up game is nice I guess.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on March 03, 2014, 04:51:47 am
This kinda defeats the purpose of balancing a game but whatever helps them to keep interest in this washed up game is nice I guess.
Eh tourneys and whatnot will probably have version restrictions. I wouldn't be surprised if they added a filter for certain editions in online play as well.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: handbanana on March 03, 2014, 04:53:38 am
This kinda defeats the purpose of balancing a game but whatever helps them to keep interest in this washed up game is nice I guess.
I agree with you on this. What's the sense of re releasing this game when all these things of balance can be done through patching. This is gonna make balancing much more of a problem than it needs to be for this game
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 03, 2014, 04:56:47 am
This kinda defeats the purpose of balancing a game but whatever helps them to keep interest in this washed up game is nice I guess.
Same with you and Banana, this seems to be the dumbest way to balance a game, but as Xan stated, they will most likely have version restrictions based on the character...but that still brings up the issues online(great, incoming scrubby ass Sagats all over again...)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SeanMackgewer on March 03, 2014, 04:57:50 am
But, but, BUT, Yun and Sagat in their ultimate incarnation were toally cheap.
You guys should've linked to something instead of making me Google it >:[
Drinking game, go to comments and take a shot every time you see "tournament", "balance", or "broken".
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Oh and I miss lurking while you were a mod. Brownnosing decommensed
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 03, 2014, 05:02:40 am
Hyper Street Fighter 2 didn't exactly work in the tourney scene, and that game had less possible choices.
This will be interesting... I'm going to guess that this move is more on the side of nostalgic fanservice and that the competitive standard will be USF4-only.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on March 03, 2014, 05:07:40 am
Never play games for fun. Limit all features or else everyone won't be equal.
Hate everything.
The hell drugs are you on? I don't care for the tourney scene in the least, if anything, I just find doing online is gonna be ridiculous.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on March 03, 2014, 05:14:06 am
I'm so worried about how this feature is going to effect the EVO streams I watch! REMOVE IT CAPCOM
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 03, 2014, 05:15:15 am
But competitive play is fun. :(
If nothing else, Capcom has found a way to once again give their game (and it's players) massive selections to choose from. Restricting your choices based on certain parameters is another thing.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on March 03, 2014, 05:17:59 am
as Xan stated, they will most likely have version restrictions based on the character...but that still brings up the issues online(great, incoming scrubby ass Sagats all over again...)
I figured it'd be more based upon the tourney itself rather than the character. There could be vanilla SF4 tourneys, USF4 tourneys, etc.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on March 03, 2014, 05:20:05 am
I creamed my pants at the announcement of edition select.
Vanilla Ryu, SSF4 Rose, and Vanilla Balrog.
Everyone on my friends list has just been destroyed for free.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 03, 2014, 05:21:35 am
people that like playing balanced games aren't doing it because they have fun, they're doing it because _________
competitive fairness and supreme domination
sweet sweet tourney dosh $$
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 03, 2014, 05:28:56 am
It's probably going to be split into two modes to give the player even more options. One that has only ultra versions and one that has all of them.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 03, 2014, 05:29:49 am
Exactly. It's likely that there will be an option to turn this on/off.
And stop bitching about it. Accent Core has exactly the same functionality and it has never been an issue. More options = More Fun.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Seadragon77 on March 03, 2014, 05:30:30 am
It'll be fun for me anyway. I didn't play Vanilla SF4, so this is my chance to use the characters in that format. I mean, I've heard that some of the characters were broken, but I can't imagine any of them being so broken that it'd ruin the game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on March 03, 2014, 05:34:09 am
I hate that Capcom is adding more versions of the characters. If anything they should be removing characters to fix this broken ass has-been game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 03, 2014, 05:56:21 am
Nice hyperbole. We get the idea, you hate people who prefer competitive play and balance. Those damn tourneyfags. And yet they're not bringing back Indestructible.
It'll be fun for me anyway. I didn't play Vanilla SF4, so this is my chance to use the characters in that format. I mean, I've heard that some of the characters were broken, but I can't imagine any of them being so broken that it'd ruin the game.
Vanilla Sagat is one of the most broken characters in SF history.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on March 03, 2014, 06:33:17 am
Nice hyperbole. We get the idea, you hate people who prefer competitive play and balance. Those damn tourneyfags. And yet they're not bringing back Indestructible.
as Xan stated, they will most likely have version restrictions based on the character...but that still brings up the issues online(great, incoming scrubby ass Sagats all over again...)
I figured it'd be more based upon the tourney itself rather than the character. There could be vanilla SF4 tourneys, USF4 tourneys, etc.
Probably, but then you have players juggling patch notes and everything else to figure how well the character did in each edition...gets tiresome really.
It'll be fun for me anyway. I didn't play Vanilla SF4, so this is my chance to use the characters in that format. I mean, I've heard that some of the characters were broken, but I can't imagine any of them being so broken that it'd ruin the game.
Vanilla Sagat is one of the most broken characters in SF history.
I know he's that bad, but he's worse than his SF2 Counterpart?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on March 03, 2014, 07:34:59 am
dude bringing op yun back was the best decision capcom could ever make ever. thank you based god.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on March 03, 2014, 11:34:48 am
YESSSSSSSSSS I CAN'T FUCKING WAIT TO PLAY AGAINST THE BROKEN CHARS AGAIN.
VANILLA RYU, VANILLA SAGAT, VANILLA RUFUS, VANILLA YUN, AND ALL THE BROKEN FUCKERS WHO WEREN'T EVEN THAT BAD, I CAN'T WAITTTT. The broken characters made the game much more exciting to be honest. I was so bored of SF4 in its current state.
I am so psyched to play some epic matches against the God Tiers again. I remember Vanilla Sagat. God damn he was a fun matchup. Vanilla Rufus just had some NASTY as damage and Vanilla Ryu was just exciting.
I use Chun-Li btw, and she was probably best in her earlier versions as well. I am so gonna buy this game now.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Mgbenz on March 03, 2014, 12:38:12 pm
Everybody is forced to play as Vanilla Sagat now.
No items.
Final destination.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 03, 2014, 12:40:38 pm
I think you mean no timer, Old Temple.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 03, 2014, 01:24:12 pm
no his joke was fine don't try to ride its coattails
i don't know why the concept of people having fun their own way is so foreign to you
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 03, 2014, 01:26:19 pm
I don't even know what he was trying to imply with the picture, but hey who am I to judge shitposting.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on March 03, 2014, 01:36:06 pm
I can't get on SRK for some reason....weird.
But I'm glad there's going to be a little more broken in SFIV, That will probably make it more fun to play/watch, at least for me. Can we get SFxT or 3S versions of some characters though? or would that be too much...?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 03, 2014, 01:36:58 pm
More like too dumb.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on March 03, 2014, 01:38:12 pm
SF1 Ryu with impossible Hadouken
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 03, 2014, 01:42:28 pm
sf2 ryu with sprites
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Trinitronity on March 03, 2014, 01:50:25 pm
SF2 Guile with "JUST GET IN THE PLANE!"
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 03, 2014, 01:52:22 pm
he doesn't say that in sf2
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DMK on March 03, 2014, 02:00:16 pm
i want my 3ds versions so just scale down the quality of the models and throw a 3d filter over them
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on March 03, 2014, 02:02:46 pm
This is the best implemented feature I'll never going to use so far. I usually just go with the latest version for games that allow me to pick this kind of stuff (GGXXAC, HSF2) but it's funny to see OP Yun back.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Trinitronity on March 03, 2014, 02:05:27 pm
He says that in SF2V, and that counts as a SF2 as well.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 03, 2014, 02:13:32 pm
jesus christ shut the fuck up
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 03, 2014, 02:16:54 pm
It looks like the Vanilla versions still keep the ultra selection available. It's not the vanilla version if they have Ultra 2 or W ! This is a fraud !
He says that in SF2V, and that counts as a SF2 as well.
No, he says that in the terrible USA cartoon and your attempt of a joke isn't funny.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 03, 2014, 02:27:02 pm
jesus christ keeps using sf4 sagat even though i politely pray at him to stop doing that but he keeps defeating me and turning the clouds above me into huge LOL text
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on March 03, 2014, 02:36:07 pm
Jesus Christ for scumbag gamer 2014 (http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130115010907/video-game-championship-wrestling/images/5/51/J.png)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [SX] on March 03, 2014, 02:39:28 pm
Edition Select Offline Only ! no online Sagat SFIV Vs Yun SSFIVae
It looks like the Vanilla versions still keep the ultra selection available. It's not the vanilla version if they have Ultra 2 or W ! This is a fraud !
Thats not true. I saw them playing vanilla Bison and there was only Nightmare Booster at the Ultra selection panel.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 03, 2014, 03:34:20 pm
Really ? The announcement video seems to show Gouki with the vanilla SF4 logo, but his ultra gauge says II (at 0:48). Okay, they just messed that one up then. .... Actually now that I look at it again it was a I, not a II. My bad, never mind.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 03, 2014, 03:45:21 pm
(great, incoming scrubby ass Sagats all over again...)
That's in every Street Fighter Sagat is in.
Banned-tier Vanilla Seth would've been the biggest problem.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Erroratu on March 03, 2014, 05:47:53 pm
Oh welcome back Ryu with your Ultra stopping shoryukens
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 03, 2014, 05:49:29 pm
Offline only? Yeah fuck spending time designing a lobby system. I mean, AE has a system(to my knowledge, on the console versions) where you can play SSF4 Vanilla, so I doubt this would be that much of an issue. Oh well. At least Ultra Dan is gonna be stupid. It just sucks that this feature(which, much like HSF2, would've been a blast casually) is segregated to local play. This sucks cause I live in a place where FGs aren't really represented all that much to my knowledge.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 03, 2014, 06:01:24 pm
If you wanna play vanilla nonsense, you can buy the original game for $3 on Amazon.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on March 03, 2014, 08:05:05 pm
Good luck playing that online on PC once GFWL goes boom :V
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 03, 2014, 08:08:08 pm
Just wait for USF4AEv2014, you'll be able to filter it in the lobby.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on March 03, 2014, 08:37:44 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if they still had online version select all the way back to vanilla Street Fighter 4. the only thing that is confirmed as offline only is the ability to mix and match characters from different versions online.
a minor thing that I wish they had done is bring back the original ultra bars for the Street Fighter 4 ogs. I can understand that it would run the chance of temporarily confusing newer players that never played the original, but I miss the original fiery orange coloring that actually matches the fire that spits out of the ultra gauge.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on March 03, 2014, 08:44:27 pm
Dang, offline only. :wall:
My friends list dodged a bullet.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 03, 2014, 08:51:29 pm
Vanilla Gen, if I recall correctly?
I was dying to Psycho-Punish some online asses with Super Dictator... ah, man... that Ultra was beautiful.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 03, 2014, 09:42:25 pm
various tos have also banned edition select because apparently it'll be too broken or some shit even tho there's more than enough time to practice but whatever no vanilla akuma perfects
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 03, 2014, 10:15:04 pm
Thank God... Online was gonna be a complete mess if they allowed Edition Select on there...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 03, 2014, 10:16:45 pm
If edition select became the standard, the game's balance would end up like SFZ3, CvS2, and HSF2 (it would still get excess play despite that). Also, it would've defeated the purpose of emphasizing the changes made to the characters for USF4.
An online option would have been nice, but ah well... there's always the next SF4. :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 03, 2014, 10:19:00 pm
If edition select became the standard, the game's balance would end up like SFZ3, CvS2, and HSF2 (it would still get excess play despite that). Also, it would've defeated the purpose of emphasizing the changes made to the characters for USF4.
An online option would have been nice, but ah well... there's always the next SF4. :P
I haven't played either of those games competitively, but I meant have different edition characters fighting against each other online is my main beef. I don't care if you can select like AE and Super Street Fighter, but not all at once.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 03, 2014, 10:33:21 pm
Online should've had separate lobbies for Edition Select. They did it for SSF4 when AE came out(if anyone even wanted to play Vanilla SSF4 that is). Feature just seems kinda there now but I guess it'll make for great side stuff and events with the mixed roster.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 03, 2014, 10:49:25 pm
Checked the blog and the exact sentence is Since different editions have particularly strong characters, and we think it's hard to come up with counter-measures for every character in every edition, there is no support for online versus like ranking matches. => since ranking match is specifically named, there's a possibility that it's still available in non-ranking online, but it doesn't seem too explicit.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DMK on March 04, 2014, 01:06:55 am
Thats all i would want. I'm no prolific fighter, but having random select over all various versions and ultra selects would be perfect and bring in some more friends to pick it up sooner.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on March 04, 2014, 07:38:05 am
Final Round XVII (March 14-16) in Atlanta, GA will not only play host to an Ultra Street Fighter IV location test and party, but it will also be where the greatest mystery in Ultra Street Fighter IV will finally be solved.
(if the "greatest mystery" isn't the fifth character, the whole building will no doubt get torched)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on March 05, 2014, 02:56:33 am
The greatest mystery is where Ono's body is after he sold his soul to Capcom.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on March 05, 2014, 04:06:30 am
Ono's body is at the bottom of the Sea of Japan, encased in a Attack, Defense and Meter Gain gem-encrusted sarcophagus, guarded by the souls of dead Capcom franchises past, for opening this Pandora's Box would unleash Ono's spirit, which has borne all the evils of corporate management at Capcom.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Prodigy_LXM on March 05, 2014, 04:09:37 am
Is anyone here, besides me, going to attend Final Round XVII?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on March 05, 2014, 09:28:52 am
^ Yes, I'm going to Final Round. If you see a guy wearing a blue hat with the word "Reckless" on it, that's me. I'll be the only one with that hat. :)
Oh God people are gonna be using Vanilla Ryu with Fierce SRK FADC Ultra Combo now. I always like that combo way better than the stupid medium punch SRK FADC Ultra.
We should play sometime!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on March 07, 2014, 12:43:36 am
^ I signed in on my PS3 2 days ago and yesterday to test it. Played for about an hour and downloaded Tekken revolution. The PS3 didn't freeze.
I'll try to sign in more often to play.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Insigniawarfare on March 07, 2014, 09:10:45 am
USF4 Rolento Trailer
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 08, 2014, 01:31:14 am
hmmm so they gave him his original original plant pt2 theme and not the oddly used bay area theme that's cool
also fuck yeah take no prisoners
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on March 08, 2014, 01:37:59 am
what is rolento without v-ism
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 08, 2014, 01:46:12 am
Boy, that Mekong Delta Air Raid voice is weird.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 08, 2014, 01:50:48 am
this rolento voice is just off period
i hate to play the nostalgia card but i miss the hyper engrish va from alpha and cvs2
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 08, 2014, 01:56:25 am
Apparently it's the same VA! I couldn't really tell but after using him awhile in SFxT I noticed a bit. He just sounds very different.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 08, 2014, 02:21:27 am
Apparently it's the same VA! I couldn't really tell but after using him awhile in SFxT I noticed a bit. He just sounds very different.
A very aged VA or it's a different VA.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 08, 2014, 02:25:55 am
Nope... same VA.
As for sounding different, a majority (if not all) of his only other vocals are from 1996 (SFA2).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 08, 2014, 02:51:55 am
nah he got a new set in a3 and some additional stuff in cvs2
never thought about it being the same va tho, don't tell me that's hugo's same va as well or I'll flip a bitch
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 08, 2014, 07:42:03 pm
If he says "Mishoon Compreete" and his lackeys appears in top of Screen, Rolento will be a motherfucking like-a-boss :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on March 09, 2014, 11:28:56 am
Capcom’s Yoshinori Ono Says That They’ll Think About Adding Edition Select To Ultra Street Fighter IV’s Online Endless Battle Mode
When Edition Select was announced for Ultra Street Fighter IV, a few players were disappointed that it would be an offline mode only. Now, in a reply to a tweet from DvN|Wa1rior, Capcom’s Yoshinori Oni has stated that they will consider adding Edition Select to the game’s non-ranked Endless Battle online mode.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on March 09, 2014, 12:02:54 pm
Lets hope the net code won't sucks
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 09, 2014, 03:24:14 pm
AE's netcode isn't anything amazing, but I doubt it will be worse. Online edition select would be great. Keep it out of ranked, but make it a part of non-ranked.
don't tell me that's hugo's same va as well or I'll flip a bitch
Wataru Takagi was always Hugo's JP role, be it in 2I, SvC or SFxT. 3S Hugo wasn't even Japanese. Was Len Carlson, aka. Q's voice actor. He's also dead.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 09, 2014, 08:48:39 pm
Len Carlson AKA Klump from DKC. God bless. Also along the lines of netcode AE's was really solid on the PC at least, even red bars was sufficiently playable for the most part. I wouldn't be worried about PC Capcom Netcode at all unless it's a special exception like SF X Tekken.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 09, 2014, 09:08:58 pm
don't tell me that's hugo's same va as well or I'll flip a bitch
Wataru Takagi was always Hugo's JP role, be it in 2I, SvC or SFxT. 3S Hugo wasn't even Japanese. Was Len Carlson, aka. Q's voice actor. He's also dead.
Woah, Q had a voice actor? I just thought he just had sound effects........
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on March 09, 2014, 09:12:56 pm
Mostly just grunts and shit. I swear one of his voices sounded like he was saying "More..." though.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on March 09, 2014, 09:47:18 pm
And also "I am... abomination."
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 09, 2014, 09:57:26 pm
^he also had the oddly feminine sounding "danger..." during total destruction: hokaku kick grab
don't tell me that's hugo's same va as well or I'll flip a bitch
Wataru Takagi was always Hugo's JP role, be it in 2I, SvC or SFxT. 3S Hugo wasn't even Japanese. Was Len Carlson, aka. Q's voice actor. He's also dead.
oh i knew that, the thing about 3s is it was this beautiful mix of en and jp vas that just worked
i was referring to his jp va, in this and sfxt he sounds off, higher pitched, off (but I am a huge fan of seiyuu loyalty so)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on March 10, 2014, 10:42:14 pm
I creamed my pants at the announcement of edition select.
Vanilla Ryu, SSF4 Rose, and Vanilla Balrog.
Everyone on my friends list has just been destroyed for free.
dang remember when Vanilla Ryu had Trade DP Ultra 1 combo? LOL they totally nerfed that in Super SF4 remember? this is gonna be so damn fun again
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 10, 2014, 10:56:02 pm
Vanilla characters had a lot of stupid shit. I remember Ryu also had the Shinkuu Hadoken trap... you threw a normal Hadoken and if the opponent jumps you just throw the super, no matter the distance, it was almost free damage.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 10, 2014, 10:56:45 pm
It's just like SF2 The Anniversary Edition.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 10, 2014, 11:03:49 pm
Can you have two projectiles on the screen at the same time in that game?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 11, 2014, 12:49:58 am
Yeah, with two shotos.(And Dee Jay and Guile)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 11, 2014, 02:03:08 am
what exactly do you mean by that im curious
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 11, 2014, 02:20:56 am
He's trying really hard to be funny. BTW you forgot Chun Li.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 11, 2014, 02:42:19 am
Isn't Chun-Li a shoto? I mean, technically, all of the requirements are there.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 11, 2014, 02:55:08 am
no she isn't
you also forgot about dhalsim and sagat in your joke
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 11, 2014, 02:55:52 am
If the requirement of a shoto (moveset wise) is Fireball-DP, then it depends on the game. If it's "karate fighter modeled off of Ryu", then obviously no.
Tenshou Kyaku is basically her DP move. Chun is a shoto (the moveset definition) in SFA, but not in SF3 or CvS2.
Not sure about SF4... she has the move, but I'm not sure if it's a "true" DP or whatever.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 11, 2014, 03:07:54 am
It's not a true DP in SF4 but a target combo. Also Doraemaribykirbywhetever, stop making terrible "jokes".
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on March 11, 2014, 03:09:08 am
I mean Vanilla was tough and broken but that's what made it more fun and challenging. It toughened my skin a bit cuz we had to put up or shut up so I just dealt with it and got better haha.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on March 12, 2014, 12:25:04 am
wait a second...*squints* ... You're not Iced...!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on March 12, 2014, 01:01:38 am
The hell are you talking about?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 12, 2014, 04:55:56 am
Well.... This weekend will be the "Revelation". The fifth girl will be revealed. But i will not hype about it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 12, 2014, 08:10:11 am
the new girl is.. candy.. trust me.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 12, 2014, 04:22:37 pm
My bets are New Character + PS4 Official Announcement.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on March 12, 2014, 10:47:50 pm
I'm really suprised that no one was able to leak anything of this new character, its like if she doesn't exist
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 12, 2014, 11:16:57 pm
there is a lot of people able to leak info, they just did not do it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on March 13, 2014, 12:36:06 am
For a long time Iced had the same cat picture as pocketeomon, but shopped in various ways and on a cycle. I saw the avatar pic, recognized it as one that iced used, amd thought it was him. I didn't realize it wasn't until I made that post, and thought that my confusion was something that could be clearly understood. I was wrong.
That better?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on March 13, 2014, 04:55:38 am
The person before your post has no avatar. It would have been a pointless and dumb post even if the context fit your explanation.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on March 13, 2014, 05:24:03 am
Well I was able to figure out what he was referring to. Iced had those fucking cats forever.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 13, 2014, 06:06:54 am
The person before your post has no avatar. It would have been a pointless and dumb post even if the context fit your explanation.
I agree, and there were...what? Another four replies before who he was supposedly quoting? Be careful thought! You'll be called a meanie by the Internet police.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on March 13, 2014, 06:07:39 am
Hands up, meanie. You're under arrest for using harsh language towards somebody on the internet.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 14, 2014, 05:31:21 pm
Any news about Final Round and the 5th character announcement?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on March 14, 2014, 05:34:06 pm
yes
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
or wait..no news at all...maybe just don't post questions like that if you knowthere are no news news since no website worldwide posted any?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 14, 2014, 05:35:28 pm
if there were relevant news there's a good chance they would've been posted by now
also that "youre not iced" post was awful
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 14, 2014, 05:38:29 pm
Well, the weekend's finally here at least.
Next chapter: the inevitable shitstorm aftermath of whomever's revealed and how it doesn't line up with who it "should've" been.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 14, 2014, 05:39:39 pm
The Final Round official site don't post anything about today. Well, I will wait
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 14, 2014, 05:43:22 pm
why would they
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 14, 2014, 05:44:30 pm
Obviously the announcement won't be on the website so damn early, The event hasn't even started. The announcement will be on stream, probably before SF top 8 or whatever. You seem way too impatient for someone who didn't care about it.
Obviously the announcement won't be on the website so damn early, The event hasn't even started. The announcement will be on stream, probably before SF top 8 or whatever. You seem way too impatient for someone who didn't care about it.
Sayaka isn't even Akuma's wife, just some chick he knocked up in a non-canon cartoon.
Gomenisi *Crosses figers for Roxy*
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on March 14, 2014, 11:04:04 pm
Maybe it'll be crossdressing Ryu cosplayer.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Erroratu on March 14, 2014, 11:10:24 pm
We already have Sakura
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on March 14, 2014, 11:21:43 pm
Just a few hours moar and you will face ze bitter truth that my theory was no joke at all!
Nyarr
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on March 14, 2014, 11:24:44 pm
Is there any news report indicating that this character will be revealed today? This event lasts for the entire weekend -- I think Capcom is going to wait until the final date for the reveal.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on March 14, 2014, 11:28:39 pm
Not at all. Events usually start on Friday to end on Sunday, and Capcom takes advantage of the captive audience for the main events.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 14, 2014, 11:32:07 pm
Just a few hours moar and you will face ze bitter truth that my theory was no joke at all!
Nyarr
stop
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on March 14, 2014, 11:38:09 pm
Any girl from the Malibu comics we should keep in mind?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 14, 2014, 11:48:01 pm
Weren't there only 2?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 15, 2014, 12:07:40 am
From Udon's HQ:
- Rose Master - Ibuki friend - Decapre [These guys implemented more in her story]
From chinese Manhua HQs:
- Gouken's daughter[Named "Ojou-San"]
From malibu hqs:
- I don't remember any important girl in this
- Unknown :
EAGLE'S daughter. Her is from a unknown SF comic canceled. She fights like her father, and want revenge against Ryu, thinking Ryu are the murderer of her father, during the "Champion Edition".
Mangá itself:
- Delta Red member and Cammy's friend[Street Fighter Gaiden].
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 地獄の花 on March 15, 2014, 12:17:47 am
eagle is dead?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on March 15, 2014, 12:20:23 am
In SF Zero mangá, Adon kills him. But mangá is non-canon [Like all ovas, movies, hqs, etcetera]
The only things turned canon is Karin and Evil Ryu and his brutal scar in the chest. Posted: March 15, 2014, 12:56:23 am Or better, NOT a canonization but a re-utilizing of this things i said
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 15, 2014, 01:43:25 am
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 15, 2014, 01:59:30 am
I think the only[ONLY really] media can be closer to canon is Classic Street Fighter II Movie.
Unless the fact of Street Fighter Zero arc retconned some situations... [The first shoryuken on Sagat, Cammy is only brainwashed girl in movie and in Zero is a Perfect Doll Weapon, etcetera]
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on March 15, 2014, 02:35:06 am
Solid reasoning there man
But, We're also talking (holly sh*t we're broke!) Capcom, so really, they'll pull anything out of their azz to sell a few more copies. None of these characters can be ruled out.
Hell, if they really want to sell? why only add one? SSF2 gave us 3 fighters.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 15, 2014, 02:37:11 am
yeah maybe they could add hugo poison rolent and elena
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on March 15, 2014, 02:47:09 am
Heh, cute kid
How about Alex, Twelve, Necro, Q, Joe, Hollywood, Dean, Lucia and ol'wazisname, the speedo dude *Finger Snap, Finger Snap, Finger Snap*....GILL
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 15, 2014, 02:48:37 am
oh the other four dont count because you like other characters better. ok
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on March 15, 2014, 02:58:44 am
Nice........
Alrightly then Titiln, lets hear your picks, no honestly, who do you think should be in? Who's long overdue for the spotlight?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on March 15, 2014, 03:23:22 am
I think the only[ONLY really] media can be closer to canon is Classic Street Fighter II Movie.
Unless the fact of Street Fighter Zero arc retconned some situations... [The first shoryuken on Sagat, Cammy is only brainwashed girl in movie and in Zero is a Perfect Doll Weapon, etcetera]
that movie's not canon.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on March 15, 2014, 05:30:45 am
I think the only[ONLY really] media can be closer to canon is Classic Street Fighter II Movie.
Unless the fact of Street Fighter Zero arc retconned some situations... [The first shoryuken on Sagat, Cammy is only brainwashed girl in movie and in Zero is a Perfect Doll Weapon, etcetera]
that movie's not canon.
I think the only[ONLY really] media can be closer to canon is Classic Street Fighter II Movie.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 15, 2014, 01:23:31 pm
which is completely stupid since usf4 already has 4 characters new to the game, with one yet to be revealed.
Not really sure if you can count Hugo, Elena and Rolento as "new characters" per se. You atleast have a shot with Poison since this is her first outing in the SF universe as a playable character, but I'd say the others are returning characters.
Also for the question someone else stated, I would have added R.Mika as well as some of the other tag along Alpha 3 characters that haven't shown in forever as well as Hugo, Elena and Rolento.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on March 15, 2014, 07:46:00 pm
I think the only[ONLY really] media can be closer to canon is Classic Street Fighter II Movie.
There's no "closer" to canon. Something either it's canon or not. The movie is NOT CANON.
Isn't it partly canon? Afaik some things like Chun-Li belived that Vega (Claw) is Dead in Street Fighter 4 are coming from the story of the Movie, or did I get something wrong there?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on March 15, 2014, 07:56:20 pm
There may be allusions but it doesn't have to be 100% tied in.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 15, 2014, 08:00:55 pm
I think the only[ONLY really] media can be closer to canon is Classic Street Fighter II Movie.
There's no "closer" to canon. Something either it's canon or not. The movie is NOT CANON.
Isn't it partly canon? Afaik some things like Chun-Li belived that Vega (Claw) is Dead in Street Fighter 4 are coming from the story of the Movie, or did I get something wrong there?
Exactly.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 15, 2014, 08:22:03 pm
street fighter canon is simple to expplain before AC the canon was formed by sattements from capcom employes, statements form capcom books, events tat happend in the game and that carried from one game to the next, there were very few contradictions but that's hwo it worked. after AC everygame is it's own separate universe canon wise.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Pre-Teen Music Maker on March 15, 2014, 08:34:32 pm
Taking things from the movie =/= Partly canon (whatever that's supposed to mean).
So yeah, you're still wrong and that's one of the dumbest reasonings.
"Street Fighter's live action movie is partly canon because in Street Fighter III, one of Chun-Li's win quotes is "Hey leave me alone. I'm a fighter, not a news reporter"
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on March 16, 2014, 03:08:19 am
(http://caddie.smeenet.org/bisongo.gif)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 16, 2014, 03:30:41 am
I lose to him all the time, and I didn't see that. LOL, Capcom's movie reference. That's real cute.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 16, 2014, 03:51:06 am
game over is such a common line in videogames that it might not necessarily be a movie ref
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on March 16, 2014, 04:51:13 am
The English localization teams are known for adding their own twist to the translations, often adding references to the western culture. It wouldn't be weird at all for that quote to be a reference towards the movie (Especially considering that the movie has been referenced in other games like SFIII and SFXT). The way they spelled it plus the character they picked for that quote, yeah it pretty much looks like a reference to the movie.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on March 16, 2014, 05:31:21 am
It's a fake. I made it in 2005.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on March 16, 2014, 05:32:31 am
lol
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on March 16, 2014, 05:39:39 am
The English localization teams are known for adding their own twist to the translations, often adding references to the western culture. It wouldn't be weird at all for that quote to be a reference towards the movie (Especially considering that the movie has been referenced in other games like SFIII and SFXT). The way they spelled it plus the character they picked for that quote, yeah it pretty much looks like a reference to the movie.
SF three and SFXTK had movie references? I want proof.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on March 16, 2014, 05:47:07 am
Chun Li's winquote in SFIII and Bison's taunt in SFXT when you set his voice set to English.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 16, 2014, 06:14:17 am
Chun Li's winquote in SFIII and Bison's taunt in SFXT when you set his voice set to English.
'But for me. It was tuesday" - Taunt 1 "Yes" - Taunt 2, i think
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on March 16, 2014, 06:31:10 am
To be fair though, in this day and age, developers throw that shit all the time to pander to the meme crowd. See Ken's winquote in SFIV where he mentions flowcharts, Deadpool talking about CURLEH MUSTACHES when he beats MAG-FUCKIN'-NETO, and about 50% of the spoken dialog in Skullgirls.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on March 16, 2014, 06:48:29 am
Got that right, very good point.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 16, 2014, 07:00:04 am
To be fair though, in this day and age, developers throw that shit all the time to pander to the meme crowd. See Ken's winquote in SFIV where he mentions flowcharts, Deadpool talking about CURLEH MUSTACHES when he beats MAG-FUCKIN'-NETO, and about 50% of the spoken dialog in Skullgirls.
Flowchart winquote? HOW DO I NOT KNOW THIS? Who do you have to beat to get that one? About the other two, that Curly Mustache thing's cute, and IDK about the last one since the most I've seen of that game is ten seconds of gameplay.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 16, 2014, 07:21:28 am
this would be a pretty good burn if it wasnt for the fact that youre the one that asked for my opinion in the first place. please think these through
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: BIG BOSS on March 16, 2014, 07:38:24 am
Have the fifth fighter been reveled yet? just wondering because, it has been long over due for a revelation.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 16, 2014, 07:44:00 am
God fucking dammit. NO
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: BIG BOSS on March 16, 2014, 07:44:42 am
!ok.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on March 16, 2014, 07:53:42 am
Wow, he's mad.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 16, 2014, 07:58:33 am
so havent you guys heard about the silhouette speculations? http://i.imgur.com/dbwQxiO.png http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/77/101069-45380-santamu.jpg https://twitter.com/Jason24cf/statuses/404452310837108737 http://grapsf.com/wp-content/uploads/wpid-shadaloo_dolls___santamu_by_zabzarock-d4q2oxg.png xD ive remember some of dolls apearing in sfxt maybe its a hint?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 16, 2014, 08:08:34 am
To be fair though, in this day and age, developers throw that shit all the time to pander to the meme crowd. See Ken's winquote in SFIV where he mentions flowcharts, Deadpool talking about CURLEH MUSTACHES when he beats MAG-FUCKIN'-NETO, and about 50% of the spoken dialog in Skullgirls.
It doesn't even end there. Last time I played Guile in Street Fighter 4 and I have defeated Ken, he actually pulled his most memorable winquote which he could ever get since his debut. I was full of nostalgic joy. :D But anyway, I'm really intrigued, who the fifth character could be.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on March 16, 2014, 08:29:49 am
Uhhhh, that's not what my post said at all. Unless that memorable quote was him screaming "BIIIIIISOOOOOOOOON!"
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Trinitronity on March 16, 2014, 08:30:38 am
Uhhhh, that's not what my post said at all. Unless that memorable quote was him screaming "BIIIIIISOOOOOOOOON!"
No, it was Guile infamous "Go home and be an family man!" line.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 16, 2014, 08:31:42 am
Again, that's not pandering to the meme crowd. That's literally just his first winquote. --;
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Trinitronity on March 16, 2014, 08:33:09 am
Wait, I thought that line was memetic as well. At least I saw many people using that line as a meme... But yeah, the nostalgia factor IS bigger then the meme factor. Anyway, I really don't want to derail this thread even further.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: BIG BOSS on March 16, 2014, 08:57:55 am
No just baffled at how people are illiterate or dumb and can't read a thread or check SRK.
Wow man, how rude can you be. I hope you was not talking about me, I was just asking a simple question. People these day's take out all the fun of things.
Title: "Simple questions" can be dumb too.
Post by: S.D. on March 16, 2014, 09:07:03 am
I was. Better luck next time with google.com and shoryuken.com.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: BIG BOSS on March 16, 2014, 09:14:10 am
Look here Sir, I don't know who pissed in your cheerios. Excuse me for getting off from work and asking a simple question. That's why this thread is here and that's why I asked the question. Sometimes other people on the net find things quicker then others. I'm not going to derail this thread with Bs, that's not my style. So have a better day and keep that bowl of cheerios to yourself. I'm sure the mod's here don't need that type of stuff.
Title: I don't like cheerios.
Post by: S.D. on March 16, 2014, 09:25:23 am
In what fucking world do you have to read 112 pages to get context on the past few days of information?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 16, 2014, 09:26:29 am
Hey, buddy. Drop it. Stop being an unnecessarily aggresive dumb dildo.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 16, 2014, 09:33:30 am
Other than quoting someone else and telling the guy where he could easily find that info to avoid more "WHEN'S THE 5TH CHARACTER" posts we've been finding annoying by now, I don't see how that's being an "unnecessarily aggresive dumb dildo." Whatever floats your pink boat I guess.
S.D. maybe people would stop thinking that you are unnecessarily aggresive, if you would stop to curse everytime
Well I'm glad the posts I was talking about had no cursing at all (Unlike the people who replied to me and most likely overreacted). Thanks for the heads up though!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lichtbringer on March 16, 2014, 11:08:38 am
Other than quoting someone else and telling the guy where he could easily find that info to avoid more "WHEN'S THE 5TH CHARACTER" posts we've been finding annoying by now, I don't see how that's being an "unnecessarily aggresive dumb dildo." Whatever floats your pink boat I guess.
S.D. maybe people would stop thinking that you are unnecessarily aggresive, if you would stop to curse everytime someone posts something that you don't like, or you just disagree with.
And you can even ignore posts, if you realy think that some posts of the users here are stupid etc. than there is no real reason to react to it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on March 16, 2014, 11:12:12 am
To answer Big Boss, the reveal will happen before the Final Round's SSF4AE Top 8. That's due to start at 7pm Atlanta time, which is around 13 hours from now.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on March 16, 2014, 11:26:00 am
S.D acts like a little wanna-be moderator sometimes.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on March 16, 2014, 02:31:33 pm
Other than quoting someone else and telling the guy where he could easily find that info to avoid more "WHEN'S THE 5TH CHARACTER" posts we've been finding annoying by now, I don't see how that's being an "unnecessarily aggresive dumb dildo."
Jesus Christ dude just stop being so unnecessarily aggressive and or insulting all the time, you've been warned about this far too many times. Stop ignoring them.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 16, 2014, 04:07:37 pm
To answer Big Boss, the reveal will happen before the Final Round's SSF4AE Top 8. That's due to start at 7pm Atlanta time, which is around 13 hours from now.
Thanks man for the heads up, I did not know that. I love sf but, I was not aware of that site. Again thanks, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Memo on March 16, 2014, 06:05:43 pm
Nobody talks to the Boss like that, Big Boss is 1 of the most humble respective members here.
Back to topic tis reveal is taking way too long! I want to know already the suspense is killing me.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on March 16, 2014, 07:40:57 pm
Other than quoting someone else and telling the guy where he could easily find that info to avoid more "WHEN'S THE 5TH CHARACTER" posts we've been finding annoying by now, I don't see how that's being an "unnecessarily aggresive dumb dildo." Whatever floats your pink boat I guess.
No, yeah. He's mad bro.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on March 16, 2014, 07:52:22 pm
Stop discussing SD and start discussing the game. Backseating and drama baiting are both terrible ways to post.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 16, 2014, 08:00:10 pm
Well, I hope it's either Eliza or a doll. 4 HOURS LEFT! :3
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on March 16, 2014, 08:01:35 pm
Eliza Masters would be hype AF but I highly doubt it. Plus I recall Ono saying she would be a speedy character and Eliza would probably be some shoto type shiz.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 16, 2014, 08:05:37 pm
He said it would be speedy? Then it's a doll. IT HAS TO BE.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on March 16, 2014, 08:08:02 pm
Stop speculating on characters! Character speculation is dumb and pointless and everyone who makes posts about the 5th character is a bad shit-poster who deserves to be mocked.
Also I hope it's Hakan's wife.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 16, 2014, 08:08:28 pm
If this new char are a Doll, i will strange... Original char? Debut in fighting game? A Doll? LOL
Ono will appear in this event, or i'm wrong? Posted: March 16, 2014, 08:09:45 pm
Stop speculating on characters! Character speculation is dumb and pointless and everyone who makes posts about the 5th character is a bad shit-poster who deserves to be mocked.
Also I hope it's Hakan's wife.
Why i laughed of this? :D
[No offense, i think it's funny]
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on March 16, 2014, 08:16:10 pm
Stop speculating on characters! Character speculation is dumb and pointless and everyone who makes posts about the 5th character is a bad shit-poster who deserves to be mocked.
Also I hope it's Hakan's wife.
I was about to get really sad and then I saw the last part.
Fell out of my chair, mate.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 16, 2014, 08:28:52 pm
Wow. I like how he chewed me out, then went back on it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: NGeo on March 16, 2014, 08:48:43 pm
Stop speculating on characters! Character speculation is dumb and pointless and everyone who makes posts about the 5th character is a bad shit-poster who deserves to be mocked.
Also I hope it's Hakan's wife.
quote of the year right there , made me laugh way to hard .
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on March 16, 2014, 11:39:49 pm
UMvC3 just ended, USF4 announcement coming up next.
LOL NOPE now it's after Top 16 instead of before. Damn it Capcom.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: LurkerSupreme on March 16, 2014, 11:43:23 pm
On this stream by the way
http://www.twitch.tv/capcomfighters
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on March 16, 2014, 11:49:55 pm
Danke, I didn't feel like looking for it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on March 16, 2014, 11:55:45 pm
lol at the people there subscribing the channel for 5 bucks and writing that they dont know why they paid 5 bucks for it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on March 16, 2014, 11:59:58 pm
And then I realized I couldn't chat because it's in subscriber only mode...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 12:01:49 am
Oh, nice screenshot of Street Fighter Assassin's Fist mixed in the ads (Ryu & Ken training, I don't think we've seen that one before).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on March 17, 2014, 12:05:57 am
The comments there are really fun to read though..all the character guesses and rage that there is no stream yet..
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on March 17, 2014, 12:08:03 am
I think JChen just said the announcement was going to be AFTER Top 16 now.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 17, 2014, 12:09:34 am
Wow.... This ads gave me nervous XD
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 17, 2014, 12:09:54 am
SNT, when is top sixteen?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on March 17, 2014, 12:10:45 am
You know what, I'm gonna get one more out there before the official one is revealed. 5th character is Pullum Paruna.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on March 17, 2014, 12:11:48 am
It's supposed to be this thing right now (they've rebooted the stream -which is airing ads and random tips on loop- like 5 times already). We were hoping the announcement would be at the start, but now it's at the end ? Because fuck Europe we'll have to wait until tomorrow morning if this goes on for a few hours.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 17, 2014, 12:12:20 am
My LAST attempt:
GOUKEN'S DAUGHTER
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on March 17, 2014, 12:12:59 am
It'll be a Doll. Either Decapre or that mocha looking one.
It's supposed to be this thing right now (they've rebooted the stream -which is airing ads on loop- like 5 times already). We were hoping the announcement would be at the start, but now it's at the end ? Because fuck Europe we'll have to wait until tomorrow morning if this goes on for a few hours.
Either decapre or one of the other dolls, most likely decapre. I dunno why some people are still talking about the silhouete flyer that never appeared anywhere other than the "leak" about the name voting.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on March 17, 2014, 12:15:30 am
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on March 17, 2014, 12:19:47 am
My final guess is one of the showgirls in the background of Boxer's stage.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 12:22:07 am
Stream is on, confirmed for after the tournament. Fuck these guys :| Well at least they're starting right away, might go quickly. edit - five hours, seriously ? o_O || V
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on March 17, 2014, 12:22:28 am
oh well..its confirmed..the special announcements take place after the top 16, in around 5 hours.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 17, 2014, 12:25:09 am
blargh, someone wake me up in five hours.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 17, 2014, 12:35:50 am
It's supposed to be this thing right now (they've rebooted the stream -which is airing ads on loop- like 5 times already). We were hoping the announcement would be at the start, but now it's at the end ? Because fuck Europe we'll have to wait until tomorrow morning if this goes on for a few hours.
Either decapre or one of the other dolls, most likely decapre. I dunno why some people are still talking about the silhouete flyer that never appeared anywhere other than the "leak" about the name voting.
Is confirmed the 5th are coming only from Udon Comics?
If yes... Oh sh*t =_=
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 17, 2014, 12:44:35 am
i went and rechecked http://shoryuken.com/2014/01/03/ultra-street-fighter-ivs-mysterious-fifth-character-pulled-from-street-fighter-comics/
seems like it doesnt point out if its mangas or comics.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 17, 2014, 12:48:41 am
Hey, where is she?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 17, 2014, 12:49:26 am
i went and rechecked http://shoryuken.com/2014/01/03/ultra-street-fighter-ivs-mysterious-fifth-character-pulled-from-street-fighter-comics/
seems like it doesnt point out if its mangas or comics.
"Apparently, the new fighter appeared in the Street Fighter comics, which we’re assuming means either the Street Fighter II manga or UDON’s series, not the Malibu Comics travesty."
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 12:53:50 am
... Yeah, that's what the article says, and that's what he was pointing out.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on March 17, 2014, 12:55:13 am
For any of those trying to get their ACTUAL last guesses in, these are the clues so far (as best as I remember them):
1. It is a girl. 2. This is her first ever appearance in a fighting game. 3. She will come from the comics series (not specified which one). 4. She will be a "speedy" character. 5. She fits in well with the series and is a character they have "wanted to do for a while". 6. Only like 4 people have ACTUALLY guessed it right. (http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2014/feb/05/yoshinori-ono-ultra-street-fighter-4s-5th-new-character-speedy-only-four-people-online-have-correctly-guessed-who-she/)
Sorry if I missed any. Guess away, this is your last chance. Internets are at stake.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 17, 2014, 12:57:05 am
Actually we have somic comics, excluding the Malibu's one:
* - Street Fighter II Mangá [Including the old and Gaiden's one] * - "Masahiko Nakahira's" Street Fighter mangás [Zero, SF3: Ryu Final] * - The ''infamous'' chinese manhua [When presented the Gouken's daughter] * - Udon ones
So, probably, PROBABLY, the new girl is from one of then [I readed the Masahiko Nakahira ZERO mangá, and i can say: No new char from this, so, this mangá is excluded] Posted: March 17, 2014, 12:59:54 am "In fact, when we finally reveal who she is, at least initially, probably nobody will be happy about it."
BAD SIGNAL. LOL
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Long John Killer on March 17, 2014, 01:03:07 am
Isn't that how it always is with surprises that keep getting pushed back?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 17, 2014, 01:31:18 am
So, they put all this time into something nobody will be happy about? Oh, wait.............
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 17, 2014, 01:43:06 am
Actually we have somic comics, excluding the Malibu's one:
* - Street Fighter II Mangá [Including the old and Gaiden's one] * - "Masahiko Nakahira's" Street Fighter mangás [Zero, SF3: Ryu Final] * - The ''infamous'' chinese manhua [When presented the Gouken's daughter] * - Udon ones
So, probably, PROBABLY, the new girl is from one of then [I readed the Masahiko Nakahira ZERO mangá, and i can say: No new char from this, so, this mangá is excluded] Posted: March 17, 2014, 12:59:54 am "In fact, when we finally reveal who she is, at least initially, probably nobody will be happy about it."
BAD SIGNAL. LOL
you can ignore chinesse mahwa, otehrwise even red/p2 guile would be game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 17, 2014, 01:52:26 am
So, they put all this time into something nobody will be happy about? Oh, wait.............
i dont get it
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeckFace on March 17, 2014, 02:00:18 am
I think he's trying to say it will actually be worth the wait. I'd rather they just get this over with.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 02:10:11 am
so it's official it wouldn't be any of dolls nor sarai, so what now left, goukens wife? (gah I meant daughter...) necro gf? or perhaps roxy (it wouldn't be first time when Capcom steals ideas from Mugen). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxLdanjPUvc
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 02:14:32 am
so it's official it wouldn't be any of dolls nor sarai
What ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 02:25:39 am
Yoshinori Ono said:
At the moment on the Interwebs, if you were to go over all the theories at a glance, there's only been about maybe four people who got it right. For the four of them to get it right amidst the 6.5 billion people on the Web... well, you could say that's really quite something!
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Evil Ryu from youtube said:
Lol, I had this theory that the mysterious content of Ryu's bag was actually a woman, except I thought it was Gouken's disappeared daughter.
only few people were able to guess it...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 17, 2014, 02:27:35 am
Thats exageration for comedic timing, they dont know what everyone online posted nor would they be surveying it.
If you mean what "theories" are popular the most popular are gouken daughter, noembulu and decapre, with candy and sarai following them up.
This still doesnt mean a thing because again, thats exageration for comedy sake, the same way that "no one will be happy" is also done for comedic effect.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 02:34:54 am
btw i thought you are in bed:P i dont take it too seriously either, but honestly i really dont know what to expect... want to be extremely suprised, actually doesn't matter if disappointed too :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 17, 2014, 02:47:51 am
it would not be a letdown at all if only 4 people in the internet got it right, it would be pretty amazing if that hapenned actually.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 02:50:20 am
There's letdown and letdown, some people would be annoyed because it's yet another clone but she makes the story move forward, and some people would be annoyed for the opposite reason (boring and dumb but with a completely original moveset). Me I'm just hoping it's not someone completely random out of nowhere like Yun's or Yang's girlfriend who suddenly can keep up with the likes of Gouki (you bet only 4 people on the Internet would guess something as stupid as that, it wouldn't make it amazing, it would still be dumb), but I'd be okay with another Shotoclone that actually looks decent like how Gouken showed up with original revamps of known techniques.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Memo on March 17, 2014, 02:56:41 am
just got back, did this mother flower get revealed yet?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Darkflare on March 17, 2014, 03:10:13 am
There hasn't been at least three pages of people hyped/disappointed about the new character, so no.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 17, 2014, 03:11:06 am
just look at the recent posts. are they saying"Nice, they revealed the freakin char." "Decrape looks awesome, cant wait to play as her" "she looks like shit"??? no they're not. what does that tell you
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 03:17:22 am
inflitration vs. balrog was just epic
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Memo on March 17, 2014, 03:19:21 am
Why you guys always in a shitty mood? A simple "no not yet" would of been nice...punks..
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 17, 2014, 03:20:24 am
it's a pretty stupid question when checking the last two or three replies makes things apparent
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on March 17, 2014, 03:38:25 am
And here we go again.
People not following the recent news: a lot of us would prefer you at least try and read back the past page or two before asking questions to which the answer is readily apparent.
People that ARE following the recent news: if someone asks about it, even if the answer has been discussed, there's no need to be a cunt about it. There's nothing wrong with answering a question succinctly; at the very least it helps stop people asking questions much better than getting vocally pissy about people asking questions.
To answer your question, Memo, the reveal was due to be after the Top 16 for AE, which just ended now, so... any second
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: LurkerSupreme on March 17, 2014, 03:40:12 am
Grand Finals is done, so we'll all get the answer soon. Popcorn ready.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 03:40:40 am
last game as well was hot, sagat player was so depressed... losing last round.. and then he just like ressurected from the grave! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwer1CiteBg
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MDI on March 17, 2014, 03:42:29 am
Your posts are freakin weird man.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on March 17, 2014, 03:45:02 am
Rule 63 Gallon confirmed!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on March 17, 2014, 03:45:38 am
Another Cammy. Just what the game needed.
So when is the fifth character being revealed?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: c001357 on March 17, 2014, 03:45:56 am
its decrapre, everyone go home now
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 17, 2014, 03:46:02 am
And it's Decapre to no one's surprise here.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 03:46:10 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LucQede966E nothing more to say -_-
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on March 17, 2014, 03:46:19 am
Fuckin Decapre.
Look at that smug fuck JChen.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on March 17, 2014, 03:47:31 am
Yeah only 4 people guessed it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 17, 2014, 03:47:44 am
And the reaction in the crowd is....meh.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 17, 2014, 03:48:39 am
FUCK
YOU
CAPCOM!! ¬¬ Posted: March 17, 2014, 03:49:28 am I SAID... I LAUGHED SO HARD BECAUSE OF THIS, THE PEOPLE FACE IS: '"FUCK YOU CAPCOM!!"
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on March 17, 2014, 03:49:35 am
Watch Capcom steal from Mugen by giving Decap a Fatal Claw Super with her yelling "YOOOOURRRAAAAAARRRAH"
kappa
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on March 17, 2014, 03:50:09 am
In the plus column, her voice is pretty hot.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 03:50:42 am
adding already existing character, claw and mask sure is challenging (oh these arent new either)..., again capcom you did it, staling from mugen! i just closed the stream right after seeying her splash art -_-
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: c001357 on March 17, 2014, 03:51:02 am
rlly funny how we spent a hundred pages on this when everyone already called it months ago
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 17, 2014, 03:51:29 am
CAPCOM!! ¬¬ Posted: March 17, 2014, 03:49:28 am I SAID... I LAUGHED SO HARD BECAUSE OF THIS, THE PEOPLE FACE IS: '"FUCK YOU CAPCOM!!"
And they are pretty much right. Decapre wouldn't be so bad if they didn't make her out to be some huge ass character announcement people was waiting for.
R.Mika, people wanted, Karin, people wanted. Hell, if Decapre was made and announced at the start, people wouldn't be so pissed, but a Charge-type Cammy...so original...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 17, 2014, 03:52:37 am
I was expecting a PS4 port confirmation :(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on March 17, 2014, 03:53:13 am
Well, let's see how broke Cammy + heavy mixups teleporting and projectiles is.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Long John Killer on March 17, 2014, 03:55:54 am
Good to see those 4 crazy people who guessed it all right just happened to be here on this forum. And many others. And with multiple accounts.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on March 17, 2014, 03:56:05 am
There was a louder reaction for Vanilla Sagat than there was for the reveal. That says it all.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: 100_Sad_Pandas on March 17, 2014, 03:56:38 am
I think it wouldve been cool if they took a larger risk. Like Asura (Asura's Wrath) wouldve been kinda cool I think. He even had that vs mode thing in the games DLC so it wouldn't be totally unbelievable if they put him in.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 17, 2014, 03:58:04 am
maybe ono meant something like guessed the full movelist right or something. Well, decapre was already in sfzero3 and mugen.
Fair enough presumption, I suppose, because I don't even know who this girl is or care, but seeing how many people came to similar conclusions on who the likely suspects would be, even when joking that whole "4 people got it" statement was just silly.
Eh, well, as also stated, not too happy about it. Now time to wait to see their reason for that to change.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 17, 2014, 04:07:02 am
Don't hate because you suck at it...I saw your DOA vids...
yea, hold system is stupid.
They might as well take KI's breaker system since it's better.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on March 17, 2014, 04:10:25 am
Am I the only one that actually likes Decapre being added? I mean, she was overhyped at first, but she actually looks like a hella fun character to play as. Fuck this whole being brand new and all that jazz.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Zetsuməi on March 17, 2014, 04:10:44 am
Oh look Cammy with a mask, claws, and LEGGINGS.
Wow I totally wanted a faster charge Cammy as opposed to someone new and original!
#capcom
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Answer on March 17, 2014, 04:10:59 am
People saying Capcom stealing from mugen are being dumb.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 17, 2014, 04:11:12 am
IDK I figure an array of charge moves among a lot of other things would be considered in the least Oni tier if not a bit further than that lol. People just hyped this shit up waayyyyy too much.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on March 17, 2014, 04:11:18 am
well i know this guy right here is happy as FUCK
JUNI 2.0 LET'S FUCKIN GO
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 17, 2014, 04:11:22 am
Don't hate because you suck at it...I saw your DOA vids...
yea, hold system is stupid.
They might as well take KI's breaker system since it's better.
No way, that would mess up the whole damn game... You have the option of forcing someone to Hold at your leisure and getting extra damage from the resulting grab, not to mention holding is seriously weakened in the game overall, even a bad Hold can pretty much **** you over badly depending on the combo.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: drewski90 on March 17, 2014, 04:12:34 am
I knew it, one of the shadowloo dolls did make it to this game, decapre, which is russian for december, is here
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 17, 2014, 04:12:54 am
Am I the only one that actually likes Decapre being added? I mean, she was overhyped at first, but she actually looks like a hella fun character to play as. Fuck this whole being brand new and all that jazz.
I WOULD be hyped for her...IF SHE DIDN'T LOOK AND STILL HAVE A SIMILAR STYLE TO CAMMY!
I overall don't hate the character, but after all these months of overhype, she is just UNDERWHELMING.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 17, 2014, 04:13:15 am
@SageHarpuiaJDJ: Me. Looks fun... But the fierce-roundhouse target combo looks a bit too good.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: LurkerSupreme on March 17, 2014, 04:13:34 am
Plugging the IGN video they were talking about in the stream.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on March 17, 2014, 04:13:55 am
She's so fucking stupid. She even has the same stance. Why couldn't they at LEAST changing her standing model. It's literally Cammy with a couple different moves. We waited how long for this announcement?
I am disappoint. (http://cdn3.whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Bison.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Long John Killer on March 17, 2014, 04:16:30 am
For those coming in to this just now.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 04:17:53 am
well it was predictable... evil ryu, oni (yeah i know he isn't really akuma but still, whatever he is obviously copy of mugen Ogre), and why not evil cammy.. she fits the roster like nothing else -_-
atleast they can make on her skins some $$$...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on March 17, 2014, 04:18:15 am
People saying Capcom stealing from mugen are being dumb.
.....obviously the Capcom stealing Mugen claim is BS. Otherwise I would've said Pullo would sue Capcom for stealing ideas on his Talbain fused Decapre.
Regardless, she seems fun to play as. I was going to main whoever the 5th character is anyways.
Though that beeping sound on her EX ground slam has to go.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 04:21:54 am
it just look like unfinished mugen cammy edit without even claws.. purfect ill just stick to my CLAWS decapre in mugen.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: c001357 on March 17, 2014, 04:23:07 am
stealing from mugen is just mostly a running joke dont worry about it Posted: March 17, 2014, 04:24:08 am i actually like her movelist. they seem interesting with the teleports, air cannons, berserker barrage, and kokonoe black hole (beep)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Dishamonpow on March 17, 2014, 04:24:26 am
more like, look I was in the game all the time! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DvgcLtFcdY sure, adding few teleports to it and viola! you have mugen edit with missing sprites.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Fisher King on March 17, 2014, 04:42:09 am
Because Capcom overhyped it keeping it secret for soooooooooooo long. I´m quite disappointed too.
You're on to something with the over hyping of this reveal. Not to mention I'm shocked that Capcom kept the reveal under lock and key for long considering the game isn't going to be out until July. There's still 4 months before the game arrives via digital upgrade. They could of just let the cat out of bag early so that the hate can die down right around the time the game came out.
Plus, I'd rather have someone from Saturday Night Slam Masters in the game instead of Decapre.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on March 17, 2014, 04:45:28 am
You gotta use that gif on yourself because you completely missed the joke.
You need a new sarcasm detector... or batteries.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on March 17, 2014, 04:50:46 am
The irony. Whoosh.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on March 17, 2014, 04:54:34 am
Decapre is the original. Cammy was cloned from her to be Bison's body.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Karasai on March 17, 2014, 04:55:29 am
The crowd was dead silent
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 17, 2014, 04:55:42 am
Good to know I didn't miss anything. Expecting anything better than a modelswap was an easy way to be disappointed.
Not really a fan of Cammy, so I probably won't like Robo-Cammy or whatever. Maybe her playstyle will be fun or something.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 17, 2014, 04:56:09 am
So for some real heart beating action, who saw that set between PR Balrog and Infiltration where Rog mounted the king of all comebacks? Good stuff from that if we're talking about the stream and the game I suppose. Also Dan buffs according to the changelog on Capcom Unity so there is no such thing as bad news.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on March 17, 2014, 04:57:18 am
So about that visual opening. Arcade mode intro cutscenes returning, new but unlikely Story mode, or just Decapre's ending? Very eager to see more in coming weeks.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 04:59:13 am
atleast the "mugen" video that apeared before final reveal was funny. displaying bison, whos slaying mugen retsu, and then calling for help dolls squad that sprites are clearly borrowed from mugen as well.
also the tournament wasnt disappointing, good stuff. i just commented his comeback earlier, summarized with yt video.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 17, 2014, 05:00:24 am
Decapre is the original. Cammy was cloned from her to be Bison's body.
as long as they don't do that shit of decapre having a disfigured face when the actual reason vega got decapre to wear the mask is that she would not become disfigured like cammy, which is the one with the scar. Also I just noticed that the mask decapre is wearing would not help her at all from getting a scar just like cammy as t does not cover her lower face, I was pretty sure her mask was the same as claws but I guess I remembered it wrong.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: PBRTODD101 on March 17, 2014, 05:01:42 am
Decapre? Meh :/ I quite frankly did not even want to finish watching her trailer.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 05:07:15 am
it's clearly redesign from comic, a bad thing. her face was kinda of unique, they've ruined even it. (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120511004914/streetfighter/images/c/c6/Doll12-Decapre.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 17, 2014, 05:10:23 am
People saying Capcom stealing from mugen are being dumb.
While it's absurd to believe that Big Brother Capcom and SNK are watching us and taking our ideas, it would be naive to think that they don't look at Mugen for some kind of inspiration.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 17, 2014, 05:10:37 am
....
I really SHOULD convert a decapre character to MvC debuts after I watched this announcement.
Seriously....
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 05:15:31 am
People saying Capcom stealing from mugen are being dumb.
While it's absurd to believe that Big Brother Capcom and SNK are watching us and taking our ideas, it would be naive to think that they don't look at Mugen for some kind of inspiration.
i've heard rumor, that some megaman mugen character gained unwanted capcom attention. also havent capcom in past forced some mugen project group to change thier name? capcom watching over mugen all the time. i sense their senses, they are spying on us.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Roman55 on March 17, 2014, 05:16:26 am
i've heard rumor, that some megaman mugen character gained unwanted capcom attention. also havent capcom in past forced some mugen project group to change thier name?
I wouldn't know anything about that; I really don't follow up on things of that nature, and search engines give me nothing of that kind.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lichtbringer on March 17, 2014, 05:24:40 am
it's clearly redesign from comic, a bad thing. her face was kinda of unique, they've ruined even it. (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120511004914/streetfighter/images/c/c6/Doll12-Decapre.jpg)
I guess wie will get here classic design as overprized DLC after some time.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MDI on March 17, 2014, 05:24:53 am
Dude, I'd shit my pants if Decapre officially made it in. The only valid argument is that she is essentially Cammy with Vega's claw and mask, so chances are nothing at all for this. Still though, imagine that!!
I'll just stick with her Mugen iteration and call it a day. ;D
Think this is the first mention of someone 'guessing' her in this thread. Let's find some more Capcom spies!
No one really doubted Kasumi post that much except Rednavi, we actually went and discussed them as likely things. The thing everyone doubted was the flyer with the giant blotch and the name poll competition thing that come up right after.
Right now the most likely rumours to be true are the ones about it being decapre.
I don't know, I'm still thinking it's Decapre or any of Final Fight chars that hasn't appeared on SF/CVS yet, and I'll still thinking that until Capcom release the game, or the news, which comes first
The models of the characters in the background are highly unlikely to be anywhere as detailed as the playable characters. There's little chance her SFxTK model means anything here. Sarai would be much too random IMO, Decapre seems the most plausible.
Decapre had a ton of screen time in the comics. I believe it was the first time she was shown with the claw, even. (http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/16/164924/2342809-decapre.jpg)
remember that decapre didnt have the claw in the game or original art http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131127082853/streetfighter/images/b/bd/SFZ3ChibiDollsPage.jpg
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on March 17, 2014, 05:39:00 am
So you could say I kinda called it. At the time of me typing that up I believe I had just finished making her Mugen Portrait for the character we have. Awesome.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 17, 2014, 05:42:29 am
it's clearly redesign from comic, a bad thing. her face was kinda of unique, they've ruined even it. (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120511004914/streetfighter/images/c/c6/Doll12-Decapre.jpg)
See? This is what I want, change her face a little, do something with her hair(make it loose and jagged or atleast have blood splotches, make her have a different, more feral stance, MAKE HER DIFFERENT FROM CAMMY!). With Juli and Juni, it makes sense they would be completely similar to Cammy's movesets because they literally were trained in the same styles. Decapre having some different moves like this but still looking like Cammy in the main areas just seems cheap and greedy as hell.
I don't hate the character concept, I hate how we had to wait months just for an evil Cammy.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on March 17, 2014, 06:04:38 am
The dislike bar in the trailer is increasing a lot. Guess Decaf really did broke a lot of hope.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on March 17, 2014, 06:06:19 am
You gotta use that gif on yourself because you completely missed the joke.
your joke was really bad and looked like you missed e's joke. you should've just acknowledged that e's post was funny instead of attempting to ride on its coattails
i've heard rumor, that some megaman mugen character gained unwanted capcom attention. also havent capcom in past forced some mugen project group to change thier name? capcom watching over mugen all the time. i sense their senses, they are spying on us.
i also don't know if this is another really bad attempt at a joke or youre being serious. the trailer didn't use mugen sprites. stop talking out your ass.
it's clearly redesign from comic, a bad thing. her face was kinda of unique, they've ruined even it. (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120511004914/streetfighter/images/c/c6/Doll12-Decapre.jpg)
there's nothing unique about burnt face cammy. she's as boring as masked cammy.
your joke was really bad and looked like you missed e's joke. you should've just acknowledged that e's post was funny instead of attempting to ride on its coattails
ok.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Alpaca-San on March 17, 2014, 06:18:48 am
atleast the "mugen" video that apeared before final reveal was funny. displaying bison, whos slaying mugen retsu, and then calling for help dolls squad that sprites are clearly borrowed from mugen as well.
(http://i.imgur.com/QGVLIoZ.png) Yeah I don't remember this happening in SFA3 either.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on March 17, 2014, 06:20:02 am
Titiln I hate to be a downer but I think everyone is really sick of people who go around telling other people how bad their posts are.
Come on, read what you just said to that dude. "Your joke is bad and this is how you should behave from now on". Is that really how you, and several other members of this forum, think people should behave?
I think you should change your behavior, you're making a lot of bad posts lately.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 17, 2014, 06:20:24 am
Any other fighting doll would´ve been better really, at least for me.
fixed, because some of hte otehr dolls are even more useless, like the healing one and teh comunications one; what annoys me about decapre is that it looks like hey kept all of cammy's basic attacks and just played around with the specials.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 17, 2014, 06:20:39 am
since people are making moronic posts here, let me bring a moronic post from neogaf
Quote
Jesus Christ, nothing satisfies you guys. Absolutely nothing. Capcom telling you they can't license the characters you want like R. Mika for years still won't get through. They try to play it off and make some humour out of the situation, and people still act like they're mortally wounded by Capcom even acknowledging the community.
that's right, capcom can't license characters they own, like r. mika. fucked up but true.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MDI on March 17, 2014, 06:22:32 am
Titiln I hate to be a downer but I think everyone is really sick of people who go around telling other people how bad their posts are. [...] you're making a lot of bad posts lately.
Stop speculating on characters! Character speculation is dumb and pointless and everyone who makes posts about the 5th character is a bad shit-poster who deserves to be mocked.
Also I hope it's Hakan's wife.
repeating joke formulas is kind of lazy
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on March 17, 2014, 06:25:12 am
Way to acknowledge his points and address them properly.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Fisher King on March 17, 2014, 06:26:51 am
Staying on topic, I´ve never seen a video with such amount of negative votes. That bar moved fast, damn. The people are really disappointed with this.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on March 17, 2014, 06:28:11 am
I thought it was safe to assume Caddie was joking because
A) What Titiln posted B) He's not staff anymore, and if it was that big of a deal, someone from staff would've sa-*looks up at C.A.N's GMod status*-SAY, how about those Dolphins, huh?! As far as Decapre, eh, looks interesting, didn't live up to the hype but to be fair I wasn't following this too closely, so whatever.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 17, 2014, 06:29:02 am
i honestly think cadicle's post is a joke and won't address it beyond that. people point out dumb parts in people's posts all the time. it's par for the course here and in most forums or social media websites
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on March 17, 2014, 06:29:39 am
COMBOFIEND (Decapre) vs RYAN HART (Sagat/Yun)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT8AY0KcI5o
I was so hype for this set. Love this character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Alpaca-San on March 17, 2014, 06:30:10 am
Staying on topic, I´ve never seen a video with such amount of negative votes. That bar moved fast, damn. The people are really disappointed with this.
I take it you never had the morbid interest in seeing the video for Rebecca Black's Friday when it was initially uploaded on youtube. Now that was one hell of a dislike vs like ratio.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on March 17, 2014, 06:30:24 am
*looks up at C.A.N's GMod status*-SAY, how about those Dolphins, huh?!
So long and thanks for all the fish.
* Xan flies out as the tune of the Star Spangled Banner plays in the background *
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on March 17, 2014, 06:32:17 am
I think Decapre has Hwa Jai syndrome. I hated that fucker when he was first announced but he grew on me. The biggest difference was Hwa Jai wasn't shrouded in mystery and (partially self) hype for months like this girl was. Because of Hwa I actually look forward to Decapre. I'm a fuckin weirdo though so I really wanna see what they do with her character. In a fighting game. Hey it drew me to characters like Duck King and Hakan so...
*looks up at C.A.N's GMod status*-SAY, how about those Dolphins, huh?!
So long and thanks for all the fish.
* Xan flies out as the tune of the Star Spangled Banner plays in the background *
i just made a post addressed to you because you were complaining about how i ignored cadicle's amazing points and you ignored it, making a monkey cheese post instead. way to be a hypocrite
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on March 17, 2014, 06:35:47 am
It slipped my mind. I'll just say here that you've got a point. :-\
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on March 17, 2014, 06:40:48 am
This will be Decapre's theme song.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
PLOT TWIST: Decapre is actually Hanako Ikezawa's older sister who escaped the house fire that killed their parents.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Ehat on March 17, 2014, 06:44:59 am
Taken straight from my facebook since it blew up about this whole thing.
I love how everyone is mad tho. We all knew what was up. We knew that it was going to be a female character. We knew that it was going to be one that hasn't been featured in a game. They even said that it was someone from the UDON comics. Last time I checked no one else in the UDON comics is an actual fighter and fits this criteria. So the obvious choice was one of the famous Shadowloo Dolls from Alpha. they had 10 to choose from and they picked Decapre. You don't like it tough shit. I was honestly looking forward to Noembelu or Santamu but I'm perfectly happy with Decapre and what they gave her. Finally an offensive charge character that isn't Guile or Balrog.
And before anyone starts, no I'm not restoring faith in Capcom I still think they are a shit company but I'm an oppotunist and I'm looking out for me when it comes to USFIV. So charge, I play that, mix-ups I need that, Target combos, I want that, Decapre, I got that! Deal with it!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 17, 2014, 06:46:11 am
since people are making moronic posts here, let me bring a moronic post from neogaf
Quote
Jesus Christ, nothing satisfies you guys. Absolutely nothing. Capcom telling you they can't license the characters you want like R. Mika for years still won't get through. They try to play it off and make some humour out of the situation, and people still act like they're mortally wounded by Capcom even acknowledging the community.
that's right, capcom can't license characters they own, like r. mika. fucked up but true.
That poster gotta be a fucking moron...he's just gotta be for the sake of my sanity...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 17, 2014, 06:47:54 am
Taken straight from my facebook since it blew up about this whole thing.
I love how everyone is mad tho. We all knew what was up. We knew that it was going to be a female character. We knew that it was going to be one that hasn't been featured in a game. They even said that it was someone from the UDON comics. Last time I checked no one else in the UDON comics is an actual fighter and fits this criteria. So the obvious choice was one of the famous Shadowloo Dolls from Alpha. they had 10 to choose from and they picked Decapre. You don't like it tough shit. I was honestly looking forward to Noembelu or Santamu but I'm perfectly happy with Decapre and what they gave her. Finally an offensive charge character that isn't Guile or Balrog.
And before anyone starts, no I'm not restoring faith in Capcom I still think they are a shit company but I'm an oppotunist and I'm looking out for me when it comes to USFIV. So charge, I play that, mix-ups I need that, Target combos, I want that, Decapre, I got that! Deal with it!
Nice, nice, but... Nothing change the fact of Decapre is a F*CKING SPRITESWAP with one or two differences of original Cammy.
And other thing: Not even the MASK is like the original concept. Resume: Spriteswap with few new moves and same model/stance. So: CLONE. PERIOD.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 17, 2014, 06:58:58 am
Get back to me when SF4 uses sprites. Also there's plenty of differences, you can complain about the identical visuals all you want but the gameplay is still something I need to see more of. Either way I'm pretty lukewarm on this character, didn't invest much care with it to begin with.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 17, 2014, 07:00:46 am
is the best char ever, and wa duck king is the best duck king ever yes? yes
ot I like some others knew it was decapre for a long while so i don't give a shit, and while there are much more interesting chars with waaay more interesting and unique(original and not shared) movesets, imma play with her anyway so no complaints from me
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 17, 2014, 07:02:45 am
Taken straight from my facebook since it blew up about this whole thing.
I love how everyone is mad tho. We all knew what was up. We knew that it was going to be a female character. We knew that it was going to be one that hasn't been featured in a game. They even said that it was someone from the UDON comics. Last time I checked no one else in the UDON comics is an actual fighter and fits this criteria. So the obvious choice was one of the famous Shadowloo Dolls from Alpha. they had 10 to choose from and they picked Decapre. You don't like it tough shit. I was honestly looking forward to Noembelu or Santamu but I'm perfectly happy with Decapre and what they gave her. Finally an offensive charge character that isn't Guile or Balrog.
And before anyone starts, no I'm not restoring faith in Capcom I still think they are a shit company but I'm an oppotunist and I'm looking out for me when it comes to USFIV. So charge, I play that, mix-ups I need that, Target combos, I want that, Decapre, I got that! Deal with it!
Nice, nice, but... Nothing change the fact of Decapre is a F*CKING SPRITESWAP with one or two differences of original Cammy.
Preach it. Her moves aren't TOO bad, but seriously, this is the 3RD Evil character we've had and the WORST of the lot.
They honestly couldn't pick any other Doll? I mean fucking really? They HAD to choose the one that looks exactly like Cammy and have her even keep the same damn stance, normals and command grab? It just screams of laziness and even Maximillian himself isn't even TRYING to defend this crap:
When even a Capcom fanboy like Max is out and out disappointed, you KNOW you've fucked up.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on March 17, 2014, 07:03:31 am
For what it's worth, the trailer and gameplay we saw sold me on Decapre. Before the reveal I expected to be disappointed, but at the end of the day they showed off a strong character with plenty of tools that I'll probably enjoy playing as.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Alpaca-San on March 17, 2014, 07:04:00 am
Her charge gameplay and teleport dashes just make me feel "You know if they were gonna do this they could've just brought back Juni. She was...kinda cool I guess?"
Her gameplay doesn't look bad and I guess deep down inside I kinda appreciate the shades of Juni but in terms of character design Decapre is just uninteresting for obvious reasons. On the plus side she's not as horrifyingly boring as Juli.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 17, 2014, 07:07:26 am
oh yea, that
and at the very least they could've given her juli's flying kick instead of spiral arrow as well
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 17, 2014, 07:11:34 am
For what it's worth, the trailer and gameplay we saw sold me on Decapre. Before the reveal I expected to be disappointed, but at the end of the day they showed off a strong character with plenty of tools that I'll probably enjoy playing as.
If anything, I do like how her U1 is and her U2 is something I would like Juri to have(Because how her U2 is built, it SUCKS). Her moves aren't too bad, but I wish they was on a different doll, hell, anyone BUT Decapre.
Her charge gameplay and teleport dashes just make me feel "You know if they were gonna do this they could've just brought back Juni. She was...kinda cool I guess?"
Her gameplay doesn't look bad and I guess deep down inside I kinda appreciate the shades of Juni but in terms of character design Decapre is just uninteresting for obvious reasons. On the plus side she's not as horrifyingly boring as Juli.
I'd rather they was on that red(pink?) haired doll at the right end, she looks like she could have any of that.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 17, 2014, 07:12:59 am
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Long John Killer on March 17, 2014, 07:17:23 am
I wonder if one of the reason they went with her is simply for people's reactions on seeing an actual clone, considering the general hatred over them.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Am I a bad person kinda expecting for some sort of Mass Effect 3 ending level of hate among the fans, demanding change? Just, you know, instead of changing a story that make little sense to begin with, you'll learn how she was really never a clone in the first place and changes her looks, or something ridiculous like that.
At least it'd make some use of this hype they built then likely are now regretting building, I suppose.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Fisher King on March 17, 2014, 07:20:43 am
Ironically keeping the mask design of the udon comics could´ve helped a bit to make the design a little fresher IMO I don´t like that mask on the trailer.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Ehat on March 17, 2014, 07:21:17 am
Taken straight from my facebook since it blew up about this whole thing.
I love how everyone is mad tho. We all knew what was up. We knew that it was going to be a female character. We knew that it was going to be one that hasn't been featured in a game. They even said that it was someone from the UDON comics. Last time I checked no one else in the UDON comics is an actual fighter and fits this criteria. So the obvious choice was one of the famous Shadowloo Dolls from Alpha. they had 10 to choose from and they picked Decapre. You don't like it tough shit. I was honestly looking forward to Noembelu or Santamu but I'm perfectly happy with Decapre and what they gave her. Finally an offensive charge character that isn't Guile or Balrog.
And before anyone starts, no I'm not restoring faith in Capcom I still think they are a shit company but I'm an oppotunist and I'm looking out for me when it comes to USFIV. So charge, I play that, mix-ups I need that, Target combos, I want that, Decapre, I got that! Deal with it!
Nice, nice, but... Nothing change the fact of Decapre is a F*CKING SPRITESWAP with one or two differences of original Cammy.
Preach it. Her moves aren't TOO bad, but seriously, this is the 3RD Evil character we've had and the WORST of the lot.
They honestly couldn't pick any other Doll? I mean fucking really? They HAD to choose the one that looks exactly like Cammy and have her even keep the same damn stance, normals and command grab? It just screams of laziness and even Maximillian himself isn't even TRYING to defend this crap:
When even a Capcom fanboy like Max is out and out disappointed, you KNOW you've fucked up.
Yeah I saw the video as well, but honest, I don't really care about the character herself as much as it is her playstyle. She plays exactly what I was looking for in a character. Since the release of super I was in a character crisis cause I didn't know who to main. I went from Honda to Blanka to Guile, to Makoto, to Cody, to Vega and now Decapre is where I'm looking at. Once again this isn't about Capcom, fuck them in general, but more so about me playing this game. I'm sold just on her alone and also Poison and am looking forward to dropping everyone else for them for the simple fact that I finally feel like I can have fun again with a character and the game as a whole.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 17, 2014, 07:21:39 am
Well... Good gameplay or not, my sincerity opinion is: Decapre is a WASTE slot in design. Cammy clone with same stance with few new moves and a PARTLY mask... If she have the SAME FUCKING MASK from SFZ3.... But not.
Much hype for nothing. Well, it's Capcom, bitches.
At least, Rolento, Hugo and Elena mades me happy.
And other thing made me furious with Capcom.. This game interface are the SAME of SF4's interfaces.
If this are a NEW game, change EVERY-THING in this. Not put only a ''kawaii'' Rose in the title screen or etc.. Or at least the character screen. THE SAME.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 17, 2014, 07:22:01 am
Am I a bad person kinda expecting for some sort of Mass Effect 3 ending level of hate among the fans, demanding change? Just, you know, instead of changing a story that make little sense to begin with, you'll learn how she was really never a clone in the first place and changes her looks, or something ridiculous like that.
At least it'd make some use of this hype they built then likely are now regretting building, I suppose.
Nah, Capcom will get past this one with no real consequence, just like all the other times.
And other thing made me furious with Capcom.. This game interface are the SAME of SF4's interfaces.
If this are a NEW game, change EVERY-THING in this. Not put only a ''kawaii'' Rose in the title screen or etc.. Or at least the character screen. THE SAME.
It never claimed to be a new game. The freaking title tells you this is an updated installment of Street Fighter 4.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Long John Killer on March 17, 2014, 07:29:04 am
Yeah, you're likely right. One can dream, though.
Well, different gameplay only goes so far, and not changing the visual appearance of all the moves really does them no favors. Hope they do something to remedy this by the release. Not with high expectations, though.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 17, 2014, 07:29:11 am
And other thing made me furious with Capcom.. This game interface are the SAME of SF4's interfaces.
If this are a NEW game, change EVERY-THING in this. Not put only a ''kawaii'' Rose in the title screen or etc.. Or at least the character screen. THE SAME.
It never claimed to be a new game. The freaking title tells you this is an updated installment of Street Fighter 4.
With a FREAKING "ULTRA" behind SF4 logo? XD
And with new posters in covers and etc? [Talking about this: I miss Bengus in SF new arts so much]
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 17, 2014, 07:30:17 am
Yes, because that's how installment updates work regularly with Capcom. They didn't massively overhaul everything per revision in SF2, did they? I don't see why they'd go through unrequired work especially when it's still SF4.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 17, 2014, 07:34:18 am
Yes, because that's how installment updates work regularly with Capcom. They didn't massively overhaul everything per revision in SF2, did they? I don't see why they'd go through unrequired work especially when it's still SF4.
If my memory helps, every SF2 installments gained a good level graphic interface update. Compare SF2 World Warrior with SUPER Street Fighter 2[Or SSF2 X/Turbo]
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Alpaca-San on March 17, 2014, 07:35:53 am
No they didn't.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on March 17, 2014, 07:37:02 am
They coulda done something like they did for the update from SF4 to SSF4. This updates does feel a lot lazier but I mean with how long the development process of SF4, including these updates, has been it's like "what would be the payoff for going that distance with superficial changes". It ain't gonna cost them sales or really gain them sales at this point.
I like SF4 and I appreciate that they're updating the game regardless so I can continue playing it with more content.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on March 17, 2014, 07:41:18 am
(http://i.imgur.com/rDjBllj.jpg)
Just kidding, I actually like the look of her.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 17, 2014, 07:42:15 am
Am I a bad person kinda expecting for some sort of Mass Effect 3 ending level of hate among the fans, demanding change? Just, you know, instead of changing a story that make little sense to begin with, you'll learn how she was really never a clone in the first place and changes her looks, or something ridiculous like that.
At least it'd make some use of this hype they built then likely are now regretting building, I suppose.
Nah, Capcom will get past this one with no real consequence, just like all the other times.
I'd rather they was on that red(pink?) haired doll at the right end, she looks like she could have any of that.
That's the Communications Doll, I think she'd be pretty good at singing and with walkie-talkies.
Seriously? ....Goddamit, why even choose one of the Dolls at all? At this point, I want Bison's Master at this point vying for vengeance... Posted: March 17, 2014, 07:56:19 am
Nah, Capcom will get past this one with no real consequence, just like all the other times.
Going broke isn't a consequence?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 17, 2014, 08:07:30 am
I don't think it's possible to go broke off of a Street Fighter 4 game. Think logically.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on March 17, 2014, 09:14:31 am
True, but he also said "just like all the other times."
They are where they are, not because of this mistake, but the combination of both poorly thought, and outright incompetent dictions. Disrespecting the fan base(s) being a prime example.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeckFace on March 17, 2014, 09:23:42 am
They can also get some extra insurance from the new Ace Attorney and whatever surprise classic IP they have this year.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on March 17, 2014, 09:32:12 am
Hmmm..won't get Ultra SFIV before its available in a Steam sale.
Seriously..this is dissapointing.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Websta on March 17, 2014, 09:40:50 am
Regardless of who the 5th was, people would end up being disappointed. I find it quite silly how many people are bothering to voice their disappointment all over the internet. It's not like Capcom is going change the character.. :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 17, 2014, 09:49:24 am
Self entitled babies, the whining is extremely amusing though. I can't believe people are going as far as to claim that Capcom is stealing ideas from Mugen or that Capcom will go bankrupt because they're losing one or two sales from people who weren't even going to get the game in the first place.
I'm only bothered by her mask, her stance and the shared normals but she's 85% complete so we'll see.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on March 17, 2014, 09:51:57 am
Funny thing, actually. If I recall correctly, SOPHIEX posted a vid here where Ken Bogard interviewed players and was making a content recap like a few days after the whole 5th deal was first announced that roughly translates to "I was told it was gonna be a semi-clone character with similar moves that work differently. A Cammy clone at that, probably that russian bitch with the claws. Decapre? Yeah, her."
I'm really glad he was right after all this time, but it's obvious everyone would get mad regardless of who was put in and how she would be implemented.
I just didn't expect how people would go so stupid over it, though.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on March 17, 2014, 10:11:52 am
I think that's a really stupid argument.
I mean yeah, a lot of people are getting way more mad than what it's worth. It's not THAT big a deal. But look at her, she's a character with the same model and basic moves that Capcon's been hyping for a decade.
Some people were gonna get mad regardless, but if they actually put in effort in an "original" character than just editing Cammy, it'd be really hard to complain.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on March 17, 2014, 10:14:35 am
Self entitled babies, the whining is extremely amusing though. I can't believe people are going as far as to claim that Capcom is stealing ideas from Mugen -
atleast the "mugen" video that apeared before final reveal was funny. displaying bison, whos slaying mugen retsu, and then calling for help dolls squad that sprites are clearly borrowed from mugen as well.
(http://i.imgur.com/QGVLIoZ.png) Yeah I don't remember this happening in SFA3 either.
They are where they are, not because of this mistake, but the combination of both poorly thought, and outright incompetent dictions. Disrespecting the fan base(s) being a prime example.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on March 17, 2014, 10:15:48 am
Didn't you know? Its Capcom. You're not allowed to use common sense if it's Capcom, you have to discard it and start hypocritically whining over every little thing they do.
I think Imma main Decapre anyway. Girl looks good.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 10:18:09 am
I mean yeah, a lot of people are getting way more mad than what it's worth. It's not THAT big a deal. But look at her, she's a character with the same model and basic moves that Capcon's been hyping for a decade.
Some people were gonna get mad regardless, but if they actually put in effort in an "original" character than just editing Cammy, it'd be really hard to complain.
So you're telling me that if they gave her a new haircut and called her Juni instead, were she not in SFA3 prior, people would just suddenly be happier. That it's all it takes.
You're not helping yourself at all.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 10:26:46 am
i think he was pointing out the fact that teitan even said those were mugen sprites and not actually in the game, as an example
I'm pretty sure he thought the screenshot was from Mugen, missing the sarcasm, and he was using it as proof that it wasn't from Street Fighter but from Mugen and teitan was correct.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on March 17, 2014, 10:30:42 am
Way to read, mate. I literally posted if they did an original character instead of editing Cammy things would turn out better, and your response is describing a Cammy edit.
You don't need to find reasons to argue if you have nothing to say. Agree to disagree and move on.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on March 17, 2014, 10:31:47 am
Really now? Hmmm
Dang, it looks like something a kid did half heartedly too.......Thats kinda sad.
atleast the "mugen" video that apeared before final reveal was funny. displaying bison, whos slaying mugen retsu, and then calling for help dolls squad that sprites are clearly borrowed from mugen as well.
also the tournament wasnt disappointing, good stuff. i just commented his comeback earlier, summarized with yt video.
all those frames are from the original games, you keep talking about them stealing from mugen but you keep missing out on where they are not even using stuff from mugen. Posted: March 17, 2014, 11:28:58 am
i've heard rumor, that some megaman mugen character gained unwanted capcom attention. also havent capcom in past forced some mugen project group to change thier name?
I wouldn't know anything about that; I really don't follow up on things of that nature, and search engines give me nothing of that kind.
nothing of the nature ever happened. Posted: March 17, 2014, 11:31:01 am
Well... Good gameplay or not, my sincerity opinion is: Decapre is a WASTE slot in design. Cammy clone with same stance with few new moves and a PARTLY mask... If she have the SAME FUCKING MASK from SFZ3.... But not.
Its a 3d game, not only it cant "sprite swap" it means it has several models for the character,
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: rgveda99 on March 17, 2014, 11:38:42 am
I like the character (so relieved it isn't Dan's sister in MVSF ending) but hate that mask(first thing that came into my mind was a poorly designed mask for Catwoman). They took away the mystery of how she looks like since I don't read the comics. Even with all the spoilers I just read from the last 5 pages I would have preferred to not see a part of her face.
As for her gameplay I like that her speed dash is as fast as Chris. Juni's was terrible. Though its fun using doing a 360 with it especially when evading fireballs. I liked that there was an effort to have that KOF advantage for special moves with most tactical evasion moves in SFA 1-3 everything is just nearly useless unless you're using a shoto.
Also did they got that idea/inspiration for diagonal dash from Kunagi of Big Bang Beat or from Goenitz in SVC?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 17, 2014, 11:41:02 am
atleast the "mugen" video that apeared before final reveal was funny. displaying bison, whos slaying mugen retsu, and then calling for help dolls squad that sprites are clearly borrowed from mugen as well.
(http://i.imgur.com/QGVLIoZ.png) Yeah I don't remember this happening in SFA3 either.
Well said Teitan
Thats not a mugen screenshot, the doll formation is from the original game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 11:52:33 am
putting sf1 retsu vs sfa3 bison is clearly not mugen. capcom is way too lazy to rip these sprites themselves, these are borrowed from internet. they couldn't even port jojo, sf3ts and darkstalkers to pc with stable online play. snk is lightyears ahead capcom in this for now. however i still remember the days while they keep releasing "official pc ports on cd" with build in kawaks emulator lol
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 11:55:38 am
Are you even aware that Capcom is the one who made both SF1 and SFZ3 ? They're the ones who made those sprites, you know ? Is it really inconceivable to you that using two sets of sprites they made, from different games, in the same scene, doesn't automatically mean "it's Mugen / it's stolen from Mugen" ?^
Way to read, mate. I literally posted if they did an original character instead of editing Cammy things would turn out better, and your response is describing a Cammy edit. You don't need to find reasons to argue if you have nothing to say. Agree to disagree and move on.
Actually I didn't consider Juni a Cammy edit by that much as opposed to how people are describing her right now so it was just a simple misunderstanding. Didn't know you meant to imply that. Plus it was 4:30AM give me a goddamn break. :U
putting sf1 retsu vs sfa3 bison is clearly not mugen. capcom is way too lazy to rip these sprites themselves, these are borrowed from internet. they couldn't even port jojo, sf3ts and darkstalkers to pc with stable online play. snk is lightyears ahead capcom in this for now. however i still remember the days while they keep releasing "official pc ports on cd" with build in kawaks emulator lol
Thats animated, do you not notice this.. cmon guy, i know you are ea newbie and all but use more critical thinking on those things.
Its extremely easy to animate something like that in flash, all of those frames are their own and there wasnt an iota of original content there. Mugen has nothing to do with this.
Nuh huh, we might have one or two newbies saying stuff that doesnt make sense, but we never had dozens of angry "FUCKING CRAPCOM" posts without anyone to point out they are wrong.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 12:08:31 pm
Funny enough, there was this Decapre Mod made in March 2009 already.
Which is NO Exception from what has been done.
Thanks for the images, GBK.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 12:15:11 pm
who even care who made sf, it isnt the same game anymore, they doesn't care about old canon either. so what, flash animation cannot look like mugen? you missing point of mugen or what i've always seen mugen as sf1 retsu fightning sfa3 bison, it's mugen for me. sure the sprites originate from original games, but you can't be sure the resources of it.
don't take my posts too literally... i always have hidden agenda.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on March 17, 2014, 12:20:37 pm
Juni, Juli, Cammy, they all shared attacks in the past. Even though we're in a 3D era nowadays, expecting something highly different from Decapre would be quite dumb, at least when you consider that it's Capcom we're talking about. While it does look lazy it definitely makes sense for both of them to have basically the same basic attacks. I just hope they tweak some of them down the line, at least to make them as different as Ryu is to Ken, Akuma and Evil Ryu.
I'm fine with her, it gives me the option to play as evil psycho Cammy, how can I say no to that? I would however like her to have a different standing animation. I'm not sure they will ever change that though, even with the several months left for the game to be released.
Also that damn beeping noise after landing from one of her specials, I thought people were cursing and getting censored during the YT stream footage lol.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on March 17, 2014, 12:24:46 pm
Nuh huh, we might have one or two newbies saying stuff that doesnt make sense, but we never had dozens of angry "FUCKING CRAPCOM" posts without anyone to point out they are wrong.
Seriously, whats wrong at this point with "Fucking Crapcom" Posts?
They ARE fucking Crapcom as they just confirmed it again with the fucking 9 months hyped Decrape clone.
This company sucks. The whole "Capcom is trolling" stuff is senseless of course, a multimillion dollar company wants to make money and not pissing off people. Their problem is that they did and do a ton of bad decisions regarding their own IP's, their characters and additional crap like developing characters and stuff and decide to add em later as dlc while evrything is on a disc already. They hype a character like its something big and great, and in the end its a damn clone.
How is it not understandable that many of us call Capcom "Crapcom" now and are dissapointed by this company?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Alex Sinigaglia on March 17, 2014, 12:27:27 pm
who even care who made sf, it isnt the same game anymore, they doesn't care about old canon either. so what, flash animation cannot look like mugen? you missing point of mugen or what i've always seen mugen as sf1 retsu fightning sfa3 bison, it's mugen for me. sure the sprites oreginate from original games, but you can't be sure the resources of it.
What are you even saying?
Who cares about Street Fighter? I think a lot care about it; you don't care about Street Fighter, yet you post here; flash animations look like mugen (for you) so it has to be mugen for you (news flash: no, it's not, in any case it's not); you're sure the sprites come from original games (and we're talking about SF1 and SF Alpha/Zero) but you're not sure about the resources (which are the original games).
Do you even read what you're saying?
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don't take my posts too literally... i always have hidden agenda.
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Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 17, 2014, 12:28:54 pm
who even care who made sf, it isnt the same game anymore, they doesn't care about old canon either. so what, flash animation cannot look like mugen? you missing point of mugen or what i've always seen mugen as sf1 retsu fightning sfa3 bison, it's mugen for me. sure the sprites oreginate from original games, but you can't be sure the resources of it.
Words have meanings, a mugen isnt " game with different type of sprites" . You are accusing them of stealing mugen ideas by doing a intro based on their own sprites in what looks like flash, this is incredibly crazy of a suggestion. If you dont like Decapre, you are within your rights, if you want to shout about mugen being stolenby capcom people are going to call you on that bullshit. Use more critical thinking on those things.
How is it not understandable that many of us call Capcom "Crapcom" now and are dissapointed by this company?
Its a really stupid term used in the most uneducated of ways, you can complain about capcom all you want, but the whole crapcom thing comes along with people that keep talking about being trolled and about ono fucking with them, it has become shorthand for "hi im a newbie that wants to fit in and i will shout this meme until im accepted. Am I cool yet guys? "
There are tons of ways to express distaste for their practices without coming across as uneducated.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on March 17, 2014, 12:29:54 pm
This is what you idiots get for thinking theyd sink money and resources into a completely new concept for a game update. With yun, yang, oni, e. ryu they were just going off previous concepts/they were clones. With hugo rolento elena poison theyre just borrowing sfxt assets. Do you really think theyd go out of their way to do sonething new? Nah b. We got our original characters earlier in sf4. Decapre looks like shell be good for what its worth. Im kinda hype. Btw the hype was generated mostly by fans.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on March 17, 2014, 12:33:13 pm
who even care who made sf, it isnt the same game anymore, they doesn't care about old canon either. so what, flash animation cannot look like mugen? you missing point of mugen or what i've always seen mugen as sf1 retsu fightning sfa3 bison, it's mugen for me. sure the sprites oreginate from original games, but you can't be sure the resources of it.
It sounds to me like someone is a sore loser and doesn't want to admit that he's wrong. But keep digging yourself deeper, you might end up in China!
Seriously, whats wrong at this point with "Fucking Crapcom" Posts?
They ARE fucking Crapcom as they just confirmed it again with the fucking 9 months hyped Decrape clone.
FUCKING CRAPCOM posts are almost as bad as anti-Twilight posts. The sheer volume of it and the pure IDIOCY of the people posting them make them a lot more annoying and disruptive than the actual Twilight merchandise itself, and ditto for LOL CRAPCOM.
See also GABEN
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on March 17, 2014, 12:40:43 pm
Who cares about Street Fighter? I think a lot care about it; you don't care about Street Fighter, yet you post here; flash animations look like mugen (for you) so it has to be mugen for you (news flash: no, it's not, in any case it's not); you're sure the sprites come from original games but you're not sure about the resources (which are the original games).
Do you even read what you're saying?
capcom is company, and there are working various people, they keep changing over years. fans demanded sheng long, they gave them gouken, whos the next time, goutetsu resurrection? probablu not, it will be retsu and mika. yes it's my point of view im speak for itself point of mugen is crossover matchs from diffirent game engines. yes, you can't be sure either if they ripped sprites themselves.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on March 17, 2014, 12:46:40 pm
PLOT TWIST: Decapre is actually Hanako Ikezawa's older sister who escaped the house fire that killed their parents.
Oddly enough it also fits to tragic Capcom FGC member's reaction on Decaf's reveal raising his fist with angry.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 17, 2014, 12:47:19 pm
This game's primary audience are players into competitive play, I don't think they entirely care about the model swap (I sure don't from my comp-play POV). I guess they could have put a little more effort into the model but it's a damn Cammy clone, they can only make it look and move so different. The only thing they gimped on imo is the blatant Normal sharing, and there's still a month before the game's out in arcades anyway.
Who cares about Street Fighter? I think a lot care about it; you don't care about Street Fighter, yet you post here; flash animations look like mugen (for you) so it has to be mugen for you (news flash: no, it's not, in any case it's not); you're sure the sprites come from original games but you're not sure about the resources (which are the original games).
Do you even read what you're saying?
capcom is company, and there are working various people, they keep changing over years. fans demanded sheng long, they gave them gouken, whos the next time, goutetsu resurrection? probablu not, it will be retsu and mika. yes it's my point of view im speak for itself point of mugen is crossover matchs from diffirent game engines. yes, you can't be sure either if they ripped sprites themselves.
I give up. There's no point in talking to a wall.
ON topic, I'm quite disappointed in the 5th character being another clone (I lurked a lot in this topic waiting for a new character); but in the end I just have to deal with it. Capcom made its decision and I can't do anything other than accept it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on March 17, 2014, 12:51:29 pm
I like to think of her like an EX cammy lol
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 17, 2014, 12:54:33 pm
Pretty much this.
Also, she seems to play a hell of a lot more interesting then Cammy does.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 12:56:00 pm
point of mugen is crossover matchs from diffirent game engines.
Somehow i doubt you understood what Mugen is and what it was made for.
atleast it's clearly what it was used for ages, even the new mode in sf4u is kinda mugenish (don't mind capcom fightning jam attempt) it's tool to help unleash creativity of people, and it means infinity of various ideas.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 17, 2014, 12:58:33 pm
atleast it's clearly what it was used for ages, even the new mode in sf4u is kinda mugenish (don't mind capcom fightning jam attempt) it's tool to help unleash creativity of people, and it means infinity of various ideas.
Now im sure you dont know what the mode is. its a mode akin to the one used in their collection games where you could pitt fighters from different gameversions against each other. They have been doing that since Street fighter alpha3 with the isms. Just stop using the word mugen to signify everything you dont understand, Cmon, critical thinking on those things, you read what you wrote down and you think "does this make sense in relation to everything that is real?"
Nitris, she looks cool for a cammy ex, its kindof odd that her claws seem to be energy instead of actual claws. But I will get used to it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on March 17, 2014, 12:59:10 pm
What a waste of a character slot...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 01:10:17 pm
the psycho energy claws are bothering me, they used cheapest way to execute it... maybe im slightly generalising like you now. because ISMS arent equally copy of previous versions characters in sfa series, like they did in SF4U. ISMS are more like in Shamsho 3 characters diffirent game styles.
p,s im not hating capcom for it. honestly im happy of having the new character and possibility to try it out on pc any soon. i'm really looking forward to sf4u on pc, im not that much disappointed with character itself than a her move set and look. was just hoping for better execution. atleast maybe they reconpensate my disappointment with some cool looking skins for her.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on March 17, 2014, 01:15:01 pm
Except Decaf isnt an exact copy so your argument is null.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on March 17, 2014, 01:17:43 pm
no you see shes a cammy clone therefor she is an exact copy like x23 was
Didn't I just say? It's Capcom. All common sense must be abandoned because Crapcom Cashcon and all that shite
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 01:34:11 pm
They have been doing that since Street fighter alpha3 with the isms.
Far before that, there was an edition of SF2 where you could select previous versions of characters (timings, animations, advantages etc. i.e. the frame data) As in, the very first title in the series (I'm not counting SF1 obviously), there were already enough variations from enough iterations of it to warrant that mode.
I presume the energy claw is just so she can turn it off, so the normals can stay the same as Cammy's without getting free giant range boost like Claw. It makes sense that way. She actually looks like a decent alternative moveset from a Cammy who people consider too cheap. The only problem is the hype, it wasn't generated by fans, Capcom did go out of their way to drop "hints" and never show her until the very end, going with lines like "she's not on anyone's radar" "people will be hype". Literally, they did everything to generate the hype. Their com people are definitely complete fucking morons, but that hasn't been new all the way since Asura's Wrath and SFxTK. Just ignore everything they say, and if you think of how it would have gone if they'd showed an artwork, a concept sketch of a move, stuff like that little by little over the months instead of this garbage, even with the exact same character and same design, it would have gone just fine without a hitch.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on March 17, 2014, 01:38:31 pm
You talking about the PSX Street Fighter collection, right?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on March 17, 2014, 01:42:50 pm
oh my, 10 pages of reaction about something capcom did or about to do, to lazy to go back and check them, also, better not read the posts above to avoid spoilers !
so did they revel the 5th character yet ? (http://24.media.tumblr.com/1bc11ebe8f030952c96887d9d8d5f0a1/tumblr_meujd6nCIy1r413h3o1_400.jpg)
also capcom getting ideas from mugen ? I always wondred what they tought of the engine , even one day sue Elecbyte
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 01:45:20 pm
You talking about the PSX Street Fighter collection, right?
Possibly, I don't remember which version did that (but it was probably late in the life of SF2).
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I always wondred what they tought of the engine , even one day sue Elecbyte
There are emails archived in this forum where Capcom says they know and don't mind. Same with SNK and stuff.
That looks like the one I was thinking of, yes. || V
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on March 17, 2014, 01:47:27 pm
I guess you meant Hyper SF2.
I remember on PSX, Street Fighter Collection 2 had a hidden mode where you could play different SF2 versions of fighters against each other (World Warrior up to Hyper fighting)
http://rq87.flyingomelette.com/RQ/SF/W/ps.html
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on March 17, 2014, 01:47:54 pm
Maybe Hyper SF2 on the Dreamcast?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 01:49:52 pm
Hyper was PS2 and XBox and did that too, yes, but the Collection one was first.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 17, 2014, 01:50:20 pm
The earliest thing would be Super Turbo letting you pick the Super versions of the characters, with a code.
Also I think the claw is retractable, not energy, but I dunno. When I saw it I thought "retractile claws built into her gauntlets, boosted with Psycho power", but who knows, maybe they are energy. I gotta say, that trailer was really fun. I just wish they didn't hype it up so much and wait so long.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on March 17, 2014, 01:50:39 pm
Yeah, that.
Capcom's been doing this Edition Select thing for a while now so its not much of a surprise.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 02:05:42 pm
They have been doing that since Street fighter alpha3 with the isms.
Far before that, there was an edition of SF2 where you could select previous versions of characters (timings, animations, advantages etc. i.e. the frame data) As in, the very first title in the series (I'm not counting SF1 obviously), there were already enough variations from enough iterations of it to warrant that mode.
If you are talking about hyper sf2 xbox version it was released long after sfa series. because sf2 collection was just game comp nothing else... although is best version of the game without doubt, it wouldn't be possible to create character like that in mugen.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 02:10:52 pm
Super Turbo from '94 was named and did the exact same thing. You could at least try to keep up. The Capcom Classic Collection came in the 2000s, but in the first place, what it includes is the version that came out in '94.
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it wouldn't be possible to create character like that in mugen.
What the fuck are you talking about now
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 02:22:40 pm
Super Turbo from '94 was named and did the exact same thing. You could at least try to keep up. The Capcom Classic Collection came in the 2000s, but in the first place, what it includes is the version that came out in '94.
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it wouldn't be possible to create character like that in mugen.
What the fuck are you talking about now
you know it's possible by using codes to select hugo in street fighter new gen? should i consider it as official release? no. nor i recognize hacked game versions as official releases.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 02:24:25 pm
What hacked version, Super SF2 Turbo is an official game and had a code to select previous versions, what the hell are you talking about
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a mode which lets you pick different versions of each character and fight each other -such as World Warrior Guile against Champion Edition Ken. This concept would be expanded upon greatly in Hyper Street Fighter II.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 02:25:35 pm
What hacked version, Super SF2 Turbo is an official game and had a code to select previous versions, what the hell are you talking about
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a mode which lets you pick different versions of each character and fight each other -such as World Warrior Guile against Champion Edition Ken. This concept would be expanded upon greatly in Hyper Street Fighter II.
was this code included in game manual?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 02:26:22 pm
How is that relevant And don't fucking say it doesn't count if it wasn't in the manual
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 17, 2014, 02:27:11 pm
Your posts make my head hurt. Also, arcade games don't have manuals.
as long as they don't do that shit of decapre having a disfigured face when the actual reason vega got decapre to wear the mask is that she would not become disfigured like cammy, which is the one with the scar.
It looks like they're not doing the Udon version and are sticking with the original story; her trailer had flashbacks or something to when she was a child maybe? And of course the nature of the half-mask she's wearing means her face isn't burned.
With Juli and Juni, it makes sense they would be completely similar to Cammy's movesets because they literally were trained in the same styles. Decapre having some different moves like this but still looking like Cammy in the main areas just seems cheap and greedy as hell.
How exactly does Juni and Juli fighting like Cammy make sense but Decapre also fighting like her means Capcom is just being cheap and greedy? It's the exact same thing. :I
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 02:28:29 pm
How is that relevant And don't fucking say it doesn't count if it wasn't in the manual
then it wasnt meant for public usage, only for testing purposes. arcade games in fact does have manuals. http://galleryplus.ebayimg.com/ws/web/161148938527_1_0_1/1000x1000.jpg
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 17, 2014, 02:29:37 pm
That's absolutely ridiculous, what kind of testing purpose would there be to use an older version of a character? Jeez dude.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 02:30:40 pm
How exactly does Juni and Juli fighting like Cammy make sense but Decapre also fighting like her means Capcom is just being cheap and greedy? It's the exact same thing. :I
I think he's just talking about her design because at least Juli and Juni have a different face. Except Decapre has had that design since forever so it's irrelevant.
About Decapre's mask and possible scars, I only checked out the trailer this morning before going to work, but I think the flashback shows Claw giving her the mask, so the voice must say something about it. I'll check this evening. There isn't and it was the English trailer anyway, not Japanese :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 02:34:53 pm
maybe they used it like sheet while rebalancing moves?
This is just retarded and you have no idea what you're talking about. Even if that were true, this is still irrelevant because it was still in the game and everyone could do it, which is the entire point of did Capcom come up with it just now or is that something they've been doing since forever. There is not a shred of logic in the argument you're trying to set up.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 17, 2014, 02:36:45 pm
No that's not what it was there for at all. The Old characters in Super Turbo were there to allow Super Street Fighter 2 players to go to Turbo without having to drop their main down the water, alternatively it let you play Super in Turbo 2 because the Original Super Street Fighter 2 had no Turbo option at all. If they used it to rebalance then those characters would've been gone right after they released it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 17, 2014, 02:41:17 pm
maybe they used it like sheet while rebalancing moves?
Nah. You know who else is selectable by code in Super Turbo? Akuma. A specially rebalanced version of Akuma. Accessible in the same way as the Super characters.
You wanna tell me that Akuma is also for testing things? Gimme a break.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 02:44:55 pm
^akuma is finished but you never know why they haven't included him in "official" game, with comparing it to hugo the code is for testing indeed. however akuma is accessible as true boss in arcade mode. maybe they planned him as normal character but he doesnt fit roster so they've boosted his power and included him as a boss.
maybe they used it like sheet while rebalancing moves?
This is just retarded and you have no idea what you're talking about. Even if that were true, this is still irrelevant because it was still in the game and everyone could do it. There is not a shred of logic in the argument you're trying to set up.
why its retarded, developers always leaving testing materials in games.
p.s it's not a "shred" it's straight logic.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 17, 2014, 02:47:56 pm
It's not testing material, like Hugo. It's meant to be extra characters. Shadow and Shadow Lady from the Versus series aren't testing material, they're secret characters unlockable by codes, just like the Super characters in Super Turbo.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on March 17, 2014, 02:51:21 pm
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Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 02:52:11 pm
Even if that were true, this is still irrelevant because it was still in the game and everyone could do it.
You're just arguing because you want to argue, but there is no justification, no reason, no point in your argument. You're just coming up with random stuff that make no sense, that are not supported by any logic, just your completely random "well maybe !", and you're going nowhere with it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 17, 2014, 02:58:32 pm
i just caught up with the thread
shut the fuck up, teitan. you make this forum look worse than eventhubs comment threads. jesus christ
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 03:03:31 pm
It's not testing material, like Hugo. It's meant to be extra characters. Shadow and Shadow Lady from the Versus series aren't testing material, they're secret characters unlockable by codes, just like the Super characters in Super Turbo.
yep shadow lady from vs series etc. ate legitimate secret characters because capcom followed the trend which people started, about the secret characters, while discovering the codes. you doesn't need any codes to unlock these.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on March 17, 2014, 03:06:28 pm
You need codes in both the arcade and console versions.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 17, 2014, 03:09:06 pm
yep shadow lady from vs series etc. ate legitimate secret characters because capcom followed the trend which people started, about the secret characters, while discovering the codes. you doesn't need any codes to unlock these.
You have to input a code (a series of button inputs) to use Shadow Lady in Marvel vs Capcom. You have to input a code (a series of button inputs) to use the Super version of Sagat in Super Turbo. They are exactly the same.
This is really derailing the thread. Just drop it dude, you're wrong. C'mon.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on March 17, 2014, 03:13:40 pm
arcade games in fact does have manuals. http://galleryplus.ebayimg.com/ws/web/161148938527_1_0_1/1000x1000.jpg
I missed that one, this is just lol That's the operator manual, it's to install the arcade booth, this has nothing to do with anything.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 03:20:55 pm
^as far as i know this manual include codes for secret characters in game.
ah okay whatever, havent played vs. series much, i thought these are same as Yang in sf3 new gen, i've unlocked him without any elite "codes" knowledge in my arcade saloon times, so i can be sure he meant to be in this game "officially". however the shadow lady is nice comparsion to our current topic hehehe.
btw. atleast juni and juli have different faces. but who know whats hiding beneath decapre mask.
about the claw i think shes use both the psycho power and gadget one lol similar to c.viper.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DuckSS Farm on March 17, 2014, 03:28:46 pm
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
(http://i.imgur.com/fY1WVJt.png) breaking record again?
sorry if I'm disturbing you guys anyway :(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 17, 2014, 03:29:57 pm
thanks for pointing out the fact that this is an active thread
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [Judas] on March 17, 2014, 03:31:49 pm
Back on the subject of Decapre, HEY! I'm kinda excited for the kinda-but-not-really-return of Juni, the only charge character I ever put any real work into learning. Slight animation tweaks to differentiate a bit from Cammy would be nice, but I'm not demanding Capcom put in that extra work. Replacing her spiral arrow with that psycho crusher start-up to her super (I think?), for instance. Maybe modify some random normals from the Tekken side of SFxT or something. So long as she is balanced (enough), I'm intrigued. She looks like she plays differently enough that I might really like her.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on March 17, 2014, 03:32:02 pm
Teitan pls. stahp I don't think the faux civility here can take it much longer. Shit's gonna get real. just stop posting for a while.
But after looking at some of her gameplay she seems like she'll be fun to play(Though I don't know if that will last long because "lolbalance"). I really don't like that she's a modelswap, but I guess I can look past it...at least she wasn't a shoto. looks like my mains will be Makoto Elena and Decapre...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on March 17, 2014, 03:33:07 pm
And then you have to hold select above somebody else's portrait and press any button. Isn't that a code?
She doesn't have her own character slot or anything like that.
Again no. She has a character slot below Gambits actually.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on March 17, 2014, 03:51:46 pm
Ah, wait! Right! Shadow Lady was the one in MVC, not MSHVSF! Shadow was the one in the latter and lacked his own slot, you're right.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 17, 2014, 04:05:32 pm
Can we start... talking about her moveset or something? :/
I already think her target combo (s.Fierce into s.Roundhouse) is pretty strong. Breaking regular focus attacks like they nothing and from a good distance.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 04:06:08 pm
i've unlocked him without any elite "codes" knowledge in my arcade saloon times
.... He was accessed by selecting Yun using any kick button. This isn't an unlocking, this isn't a "code", and it's again nonsense to wonder if he was meant to be in the game "officially" of course he was in the game officially. You have no idea what codes are and what they're for. I presume that her full mask is going to be featured in one of her alt costumes. As for her moveset, I've only seen the reveal trailer quickly, haven't had a chance to look at the Combofiend demo. I read something about a Hundred Hand Slap-like and a Yoga Catastrophe-like moves, and her teleport has Demon Flip-like follow-ups ? She doesn't happen to have Juli's flying Sniper Arrow kick by any chance, does she ? I liked that move.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Snakebyte on March 17, 2014, 04:10:48 pm
Funny, I''m buying this only because they included Decapre. I haven't played any of the previous installments and this gives it a Mugen vibe to me. I've had Pullo's version since forever.
Nice touch, capcom, even if I'm pretty much the only person in the history of ever who appreciates it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on March 17, 2014, 04:17:16 pm
I think she is a welcome addition. Count us as the two who appreciate her inclusion.
Oddly enough, I'm so used to her art with the claw, and her Mugen incarnation, that I'm not really liking the photon/energy claw design. I would have preferred the old school, Vega/Claw attachment. But Capcom wanted her to be more than Vega on Cammy's body, so I understand the choice.
The only other thing I can add to this is that Mugen did it first!!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 17, 2014, 04:18:53 pm
not really
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 04:20:50 pm
I think she is a welcome addition. Count us as the two who appreciate her inclusion.
Hey now, I think a lot of people appreciate that she's playable and she's going to have at least some presence on the scene, everyone's mad only because of the dumb as shit hype Capcom tried to blow this up with and how badly it crashed because their communication team is stupid. I don't think it means she's getting hate for being playable. I like her too.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on March 17, 2014, 04:21:16 pm
Diverging a bit to apologize to Shwa from way earlier. It was 4:30 and I was crabby. You're beautiful.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Snakebyte on March 17, 2014, 04:24:02 pm
I think she is a welcome addition. Count us as the two who appreciate her inclusion.
Oddly enough, I'm so used to her art with the claw, and her Mugen incarnation, that I'm not really liking the photon/energy claw design. I would have preferred the old school, Vega/Claw attachment. But Capcom wanted her to be more than Vega on Cammy's body, so I understand the choice.
The only other thing I can add to this is that Mugen did it first!!
It gives me a Psylocke vibe. I hated how Capcom handled Psylocke. (I love how Sabaki handled Psylocke). So, for me, this is welcome.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on March 17, 2014, 04:26:33 pm
OH GOD THEY COPIED PSYLOCKE FUCKING CAPCOM
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bea on March 17, 2014, 04:31:00 pm
So, Decapre it is. Interesting choice that shows that the budget they had for this update wasn't exactly generous. A few changes to Cammy model, some rigging here and there, some new animations and done.
Clean, cheap and fast. From a business stand point, I understand and love it.
I would have preferred Jessica Haggar, Mika or others, but I understand that this would go way over budget and would bite too hard on their predicted return from the amount of sales they expect in the Ultra SF4 lifetime.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 17, 2014, 04:31:49 pm
dolls wise, only a weaponized doll (satsuki and the ones with the axe/nunchakus) would have gotten a better reception, everyone else would also have ended up sharing a lot of moves with cammy, so saying that people would have liked juni/juli more is hilarious (it would have been better if we got juli because her boobs are enormous and her sharing the same model as cammy would have meant a lot of boobs complaints).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on March 17, 2014, 04:33:44 pm
Gotta hand it to Ono. Everyone is talking about the new character. :laugh:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 17, 2014, 04:37:39 pm
negative attention is always much easier to get than positive attention. capcom are aware of this
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 04:40:33 pm
Negative attention is easier to get but it doesn't mean positive is really hard.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 17, 2014, 04:41:58 pm
it's funny how crapcom now means somethign different than when I first started watchign the term thrown around. before it was used by snk fanboys in the snk vs capcom fights that erupted all over the net, now that snk is irrelevant it's just used to insult capcom directly by capcom fanboys.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 17, 2014, 04:44:15 pm
I'm liking it too. I tend to play with charge characters, so I think I'll make her my alt or at least give her a try. It also looks like she's a heavy-link character. I like that too.
Her Yoga Catastrophe-like Ultra is fucking nuts. If Dhalsim can mix you up being slow as he is, I'm eager to see the shit we are going to pull with so many options and speed on Decapre.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 17, 2014, 04:52:28 pm
Ohhh she's probably going to get a lot of changes. Probably at least reduce the distance on her U1 projectile cause that is a BIT too far for my liking. Her mixups look pretty readable though. You got a nice red line and a beep so it's pretty much all reflex which is always nice. I'm sure it won't be too bad once people get past that new character barrier. Granted I'd like to see some real high-level play too when it comes out so that should be interesting.
This is the best roster SF has had in a long time(even if you exclude Decapre which I will for the sake of saying this) and people are really this focused on one new character out of the 43 other ones? I figured people would have their priority straight but I can imagine a lot of the ones complaining weren't gonna get this game to begin with for the most part. I understand not liking the new character but you've got 43 others(and Dan that can actually do good things!)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on March 17, 2014, 04:58:37 pm
People played with the other 43 for years though.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 17, 2014, 05:00:00 pm
And what's stopping them from continuing? A large majority of the playerbase sticks to their vanilla mains for a reason. If they've been playing them for so long, what's stopping them? Sounds like they lack dedication more than anything else if they just character hop to whatever is new for no real reason. People kept playing Street Fighter 2 and all it got was, what, 4 new characters not counting the bosses in Championship Edition? A majority of players ended up using the older characters anyways.
Putting all your hopes and dreams on one character in a 15 dollar expansion is such a big stretch that I'm surprised people went that far. I'm genuinely sorry this isn't the character you wanted but that's just how it works.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 17, 2014, 05:01:11 pm
You can switch characters. I doubt you play all of them.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 05:03:22 pm
anyway im more excited about e.ryu and oni changes, only normal ryu havent been touched, because hes most balanced character in game.
Evil Ryu said:
Vitality: Life increased (900->950) Crouching middle kick: Stun on guard increased (1F) Crouching hard kick: Starts up faster (7F->6F) Target Combo: Can be performed off of far standing middle punch 6+Middle Kick: Hitbox extended to hit crouching opponents Heavy Axe Kick: Starts up faster (26F->25F) Light/Medium/Heavy Shoryuken: More disadvantageous when dashing forward after a focus cancel (-5F)
Oni said:
Crouching heavy kick: Starts up faster (9F->8F) Crouching heavy kick: recovers faster (24F->23F) 6+MK: Attack comes out faster. (Startup changed 13F->11F) Focus attack: Hitbox extended to the tip of his fingers Light Gouhadou: recovers faster (54F->52F) Medium Gouhadou: recovers faster (61F->59F) Heavy Gouhadou: recovers faster (69F->67F) Light Sekisei: Disadvantage after block reduced (-7F->-6F) Medium Sekisei: Disadvantage after block reduced (-6F->-4F) Medium Sekisei: Removed invincibility frame Light/Medium/Heavy/EX Goushoryu: Focus attack cancel possible on first or second hit when opponent is hit Light/Medium/Heavy/EX Goushoryu: Focus attack cancel possible on first hit when opponent blocks Heavy Goushoryu: Full and hit invincibility reduced (1F~8F->1~5F and 9~10F->6~7F) Light Rankan: Damage reduced (120->110) Light Rankan: Stun reduced (150->130) EX Rankan: Disadvantage after block reduced (-10F->-9F) Heavy and EX Rankan: Hurtbox before the attack becomes active has been shrunk Meido Gohadou: Damage increased on non animation version (350->375) Meido Gohadou (ground): Starts up faster (11F->9F) Meido Gohadou (air): Starts up faster (14F->11F) Tenchi Sokaigen: command change (41236x2+PPP->63214x2+PPP) Light/Medium/Heavy Goshoryu: Disadvantage on guard after a focus dash cancel forward increased (-5F on block)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 05:04:23 pm
Putting all your hopes and dreams on one character in a 15 dollar expansion
Uh ... ? I don't think anyone said that, though ? At least not to that extent. Also, there are those who drop a game when they've played it enough, and later pick it back up when it receives new material. Replaying the old characters that were updated is not necessarily as exciting as playing a brand new one, not for everyone, even if they're likely doing it - but again, not as exciting.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 17, 2014, 05:07:03 pm
I understand that it's not for everyone but there are plenty of new characters(compared to Vanilla SF4) in this game and the roster selection is supremely diverse as is even before they added the SF X Tekken stuff so I'm really not seeing the mass hysteria. I mean it's just me and all, but yeah.
Also as far as Oni goes I think their changes to how fast his stuff comes out looks great. I want to see Oni propelled to a level of greatness because he's got such a cool movelist despite being visually meh(this could sound familiar.)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 05:08:31 pm
but there are plenty of new characters in this game
I'm a bit confused by whether you're talking about people who have never played the previous games or people who have played it, know the old characters, don't care that much about all the tiny changes, and are interested in the one new character (assuming prior knowledge of SFxTK), but will still replay the old ones anyway.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 17, 2014, 05:09:56 pm
I'm more talking about the people that are all like "Wow I'm not buying this game cause it's a cammy clone" which baffles my mind because this does exist. Alternatively people that make this new character sound a lot worse than it actually is(better than Juni and Juli at least because it's not one movelist split between two very uninteresting characters)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 05:12:46 pm
I'm more talking about the people that are all like "Wow I'm not buying this game cause it's a cammy clone" which baffles my mind because this does exist.
Then those would be people who don't really care about the little changes to everyone, have already played SF4, have already played SFxTK, and don't want to pay 15 bucks for what amounts (to them) to only one new character, which ends up being a headswap and not that interesting to them because they were hoping for a brand new character (design-wise, moveset-wise, story-wise and everything, even someone like Gouken or Oni that were quite new in their time). I'm not much surprised myself.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 17, 2014, 05:14:16 pm
That being said it's 15 bucks so it's also not a lot to expect, really. I'm not confused so much as surprised that Evil Ryu and Oni didn't even get it this bad when they were revealed. I mean they got a fair share but not quite like this.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 05:17:11 pm
Oni has a lot of new stuff, and Evil Ryu was... I want to say less of a clone as before, they changed his behavior and the look of some of his actions, he's more brutal, I guess that's enough to feel a bit refreshing. Also, they weren't nearly hyped half as much, they were even hidden until the very end, Capcom got mad when people started leaking them when Capcom hadn't even said anything about them. In fact, I said it before but I'm convinced that the hate comes from the hype Capcom tried to create ; Oni and Evil Ryu precisely didn't get that problem because they didn't do that and they had some novelty. They were a lot more careful about not hyping another shotoclone modelswap with that, and it worked much better than Decapre.
edit - ... actually I really just can't figure out why they decided to go this route for Decapre, after it went well when they did the complete opposite. These guys don't even want the good attention, they have no intention of looking like good guys, they actively went and ruined their image, knowingly and voluntarily. That's the only explanation I can come up with when comparing the Oni and Decapre cases.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on March 17, 2014, 05:18:50 pm
That being said it's 15 bucks so it's also not a lot to expect, really. I'm not confused so much as surprised that Evil Ryu and Oni didn't even get it this bad when they were revealed. I mean they got a fair share but not quite like this.
I thought it was only $15 for the upgrade to Ultra from AE and not for Ultra on its own.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 05:20:52 pm
Standalone Ultra is 40, upgrade is 15, yes. That does say that the added value from Super is 15.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: City_Hunter on March 17, 2014, 05:21:54 pm
well decapre dont looks so bad but im a little desapointed
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 17, 2014, 05:35:52 pm
anyway im more excited about e.ryu and oni changes, only normal ryu havent been touched, because hes most balanced character in game.
What are you talking about? Normal Ryu has received a good batch of changes, like the ability to cancel j.MP into Tatsu or Ex Shoryu FADC into Ultra 2 fully connecting.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 05:44:29 pm
these are minor changes campared to other characters, shouldnt be really considered as a buff. they are really scared to push ryu so far after all these nerfs hes received in the past.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 17, 2014, 05:48:51 pm
You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Stop. I just noticed another thing that bothers me about Decapre, the model's lighting makes everything look washed off as if the gamma correction was wrong or maybe as if the model had the wrong spec maps (The outfit looks light blue instead of matching her official artwork's darker tone) http://media.eventhubs.com/images/2014/03/16_decapreartsceens06.jpg
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 05:52:36 pm
they havent even added him the kick from sfIIIts and it's already in sfxt, you guess why? wow this model close up looks ugly imo :D
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 05:53:40 pm
Because you're an idiot. Evil Ryu has it and they're differentiating them. I see you still haven't lost that disgusting habit of shooting your mouth like that when you don't understand shit on what you're talking about. Those Ryu changes are significant.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on March 17, 2014, 05:54:59 pm
I feel like it must be hard to not be an idiot on here lately.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 05:56:47 pm
im not the idiot, ryu still wouldnt be picked in any competitive.
edit: fact is he indeed was picked, but not "effectively picked", it make difference.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 05:57:41 pm
I feel like it must be hard to not be an idiot on here lately.
There's idiot and idiot, it's not a big deal to not know every single frame and motion of every movement, but it is to spew constant shit about every single thing and never get the message when you're constantly told you're mistaken and need to stop doing that. Hell, Teitan was giving the change of Ryu's dMK as an example of how he's not getting updated, what do you bet that he's only thinking about the change of animation and has no clue about what it actually means gameplay-wise to Ryu ?
You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Stop. I just noticed another thing that bothers me about Decapre, the model's lighting makes everything look washed off as if the gamma correction was wrong or maybe as if the model had the wrong spec maps (The outfit looks light blue instead of matching her official artwork's darker tone) http://media.eventhubs.com/images/2014/03/16_decapreartsceens06.jpg
A very bad-modelswapping.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on March 17, 2014, 05:58:28 pm
dude what are you doing. I don't care if you're trolling or what, but seriously I'm sure you can tell you're bothering people. I'm not a mod so I can't offer anything but a friendly suggestion:
Think before you post Think a little harder Then don't post it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 05:58:47 pm
I feel like it must be hard to not be an idiot on here lately.
There's idiot and idiot, it's not a big deal to not know every single frame and motion of every movement, but it is to spew constant shit about every single thing and never get the message when you're constantly told you're mistaken and need to stop doing that.
dude you are toxic, should i already add you to my ignore list? ive just said my argument how he should be in manner of old sfIIIts ryu, which has been proven to work. but they keep changing him all the time in sfIV and in the result ruined him completly. ryu has either good or bad matchups.
edit: yes, ban me, only because i have other opinion than majority -_-. so maybe they keep insulting each other, without any consequence.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 06:01:23 pm
What you should do is shut the fuck up but what is it going to change since you're already ignoring everyone either way ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 17, 2014, 06:02:09 pm
they havent even added him the kick from sfIIIts and it's already in sfxt, you guess why?
Because it's a different game. They didn't give Abel his SFxT tackle, guess why? Because it's a different game. SFxT came out after SF4 and they're not adding extra moves to the characters in this update because they'd probably have to spend extra resources and developments time to add those moves and then balance said moves to make them move fair, it's pretty obvious by now that they weren't allowed a huge budget for this.
the model is fine, the textures are the issue. they do look bad. please use the right terms
Titiln is right. This also bothers me a lot, what does modelswapping mean? Wouldn't that actually be a good thing? And weren't you waiting for the announcement to "laugh" at all the people getting upset at the new character, yet you ended up posting all those upset messages instead?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on March 17, 2014, 06:03:57 pm
>Ryu wouldn't be picked competitively >Literally just played by infiltration at Final Round
Yeah, stop dude. You may think you're fooling people, but going around and saying shit you know nothing about is not cute. It's impossible to get away with especially on the INTERNET.
Admit you're wrong and cut your losses. You look like a damn fool.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 17, 2014, 06:08:00 pm
i am guessing he is either an hjl alt account because hidden agenda or a ban evde acocunt of that spanish dude who used to go all existentialist and sheep and shit (I forgot what his nickname was).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 06:17:20 pm
>Ryu wouldn't be picked competitively >Literally just played by infiltration at Final Round
Yeah, stop dude. You may think you're fooling people, but going around and saying shit you know nothing about is not cute. It's impossible to get away with especially on the INTERNET.
Admit you're wrong and cut your losses. You look like a damn fool.
someone picked ryu and he regret it as i good remember.
S.D.@ so basically you are trying to say that they havent added a axtra move because of budget issues? don't make me laugh :D also sfIV should be more familiar with sfIIIts. actually its little to slow for me, i used to play in sf2 turbo speed.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on March 17, 2014, 06:19:03 pm
He was in Top 3.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 17, 2014, 06:23:10 pm
Oni has a lot of new stuff, and Evil Ryu was... I want to say less of a clone as before, they changed his behavior and the look of some of his actions, he's more brutal, I guess that's enough to feel a bit refreshing. Also, they weren't nearly hyped half as much, they were even hidden until the very end, Capcom got mad when people started leaking them when Capcom hadn't even said anything about them. In fact, I said it before but I'm convinced that the hate comes from the hype Capcom tried to create ; Oni and Evil Ryu precisely didn't get that problem because they didn't do that and they had some novelty. They were a lot more careful about not hyping another shotoclone modelswap with that, and it worked much better than Decapre.
Now that I think of it there wasnt any trailers for evil ryu or oni, they were hidden extras in the arcade version up until a certain point.
In the same vein that gouken and gouki were hidden characters in sf4 initially.
I wonder if they will do it again, get one or two hidden characters that are modelswaps.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 17, 2014, 06:27:15 pm
S.D.@ so basically you are trying to say that they havent added a axtra move because of budget issues? don't make me laugh :D also sfIV should be more familiar with sfIIIts. actually its little to slow for me, i used to play in sf2 turbo speed.
Yes, that's exactly what I said and I gave a handful of reasons as to why they've kept Ryu the way he is. I'm glad you find logic hilarious though, you don't seem like a very bright person.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 17, 2014, 06:28:04 pm
someone picked ryu and he regret it as i good remember.
S.D.@ so basically you are trying to say that they havent added a axtra move because of budget issues? don't make me laugh :D also sfIV should be more familiar with sfIIIts. actually its little to slow for me, i used to play in sf2 turbo speed.
Admit you're wrong and cut your losses. You look like a fool. Its okay to not know everything about a game, I dont know everything about a game, but I dont present my opinions as facts. There was a tournament last night with tons of ryus and here you are trying to claim ryu is no longer used.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on March 17, 2014, 06:32:15 pm
Teitan, just stop. You're making yourself to look a hgh thinking wannabe and just showing yourself as a stupid. Think before writting.
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Decapre: I don't like her /End of my discussion/ Why? there are far more interesting DOLLs.
- Enero could have been beneffited of her voice thing as attack. - Fevrier...maybe not fitting at all because of the shooting. - März could have been VERY interesting, using her laptop(whatever) for creating projections and etc. - Aprile...attacking and curing herself?; Satsuki would have been another VERY nice adition. Just change her log katana for a shorter and give her a Kunimitsu vibe :P. - Santamu would be interesting too, using her staff and her monkey D:!! - Xiayu and Yanyu could have been used a la Yun/Yang in SF3NG Punch for Xiayu, Kick for Yanyu...bo, nunchakus and chinese sword, what else do you want? That's awesomeness itself!! - Noembelu...giving her a "Chief Thunder" fighting style could have been pretty decent IMHO(charging character too) - And well...they used Decapre because of...what? her story? design? Pffff....
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 17, 2014, 06:32:32 pm
he picked ryu situationally, still doesnt mean it was wise choice. reaction of audience was clear as well.. where i said that hes "bad" character? ive said that hes balanced, and his minor changes in sf4u doesnt impact gameplay that much compared to other tweaks. ive said they ruined the look of ryu from sfIIIts.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 17, 2014, 06:33:57 pm
• Decapre is a charge character who is very mix-up heavy. • She plays similarly to Juni from the Street Fighter Alpha series.
• She can perform her Spiral Arrow attack in the air, but being that it's a charge move, it'll mostly be used when jumping backward.
• Has a command dash special move in which she becomes invisible for a portion of it. It can travel horizontally, or take her up into the air, (the stream notes that she goes up at around 45 and 70 degree angles.)
• She has multiple follow up moves from the command dash, including a dive kick, returning to her starting point, dropping straight down, a ground pound, and more.
• She has an uppercut move that is performed like a Flash Kick, (holding down for 2 seconds, then hitting up and attack.)
• Her normal attacks are similar to Cammy's.
• Her Psycho Stream Ultra is very much like Dhalsim's Yoga Catastrophe, but travels further. It moves slowly across screen, and hits a total of 9 hits. It has a fairly slow start up, so using it when an opponent is getting up could leave you susceptible to a reversal Ultra.
• If you use her air command dash and do not use one of the follow ups, once the dash animation is over you can proceed to hit air normals. The stream notes that ComboFiend showed a particular set up where Decapre used the medium version of her air command dash from about 80% of the screen away from the opponent, and was able to successfully hit a cross up attack.
• She has an overhead attack that hits from a very far distance away.
• Her Super and command dashes, although resembling teleports, do not have projectile invulnerability.
• Decapre also has a Hundred Hand Slap type move where she runs forward and hits multiple times.
• She can perform target combos as well, one of which puts the opponent into a juggle state.
• Decapre's DCM (Ultra 2) is a combo Ultra with a 3 frame start up. There are three different versions of U2: a ground version that moves horizontally, an anti-air, and another anti-air that hits at a different angle, (like her air command dash moves). ComboFiend hit a crouch heavy punch into DCM on stream. He also hit teleport - EX ground pound follow up into U2.
• The regular ground pound move isn't safe on block, around -7.
• Her close heavy punch hits twice, like Vega.
• Command dashes have a red line as a visual indication of which she is using. The EX version of ground command dash can be used to escape pressure after she's knocked down. ComboFiend notes that she has escape options that don't necessarily lead to attacks, but will get her out of harm's way.
• The Capcom team is focusing heavily on balancing Decapre in order to avoid her being overpowered upon release. Due to the utility of her Ultras, ComboFiend mentions that she will be a candidate for Ultra Combo Double.
• As she stands right now, Decapre is only 85% complete. She is subject to change by the time Ultra Street Fighter 4 is released in June.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on March 17, 2014, 06:45:29 pm
Her normal attacks are similar to Cammy's.
In other words..they're the same.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 17, 2014, 06:46:17 pm
if they were the same her heavy punch wouldnt hit twice.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 17, 2014, 06:48:22 pm
if they were the same her heavy punch wouldnt hit twice.
In resume, Decapre only gained some few differences, but itself are a Evil Cammy.
• Her Psycho Stream Ultra is very much like Dhalsim's Yoga Catastrophe, but travels further. It moves slowly across screen, and hits a total of 9 hits. It has a fairly slow start up, so using it when an opponent is getting up could leave you susceptible to a reversal Ultra.
Or Bison's Psycho Flare in MvC séries
• Her normal attacks are similar to Cammy's.
Fucked up. Simple.
In all, Decapre is like a Cammy genéric clone, like the original dolls[Juni and Juli].
And I repeat the same words of Bad News GBK:
"In other words... They're the same"
Well, sadly the shit was made and nothing will change this. I surely hope in future Capcom can compenses this mistake of "Copy Pasting" character and made few edits. So...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 17, 2014, 06:52:10 pm
Her Ultra Combos seems really strong as they are right now. Linking cr.HP into DCM seems cheap at first sight, but assuming its also a charge move, it will require some kind of normal links to happen before cr.HP to effectively comboing into it. Chances are cr.HP is slower than Cammy's and its a one frame link.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on March 17, 2014, 06:53:28 pm
To be fair that's not much of a change. "Metsu Hadouken" hits what, like 9 times? doesn't make it not a hadouken.
But at least they did a lot with what they had. Hopefully this means that any future street fighter characters won't be so...bland.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 17, 2014, 06:55:03 pm
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Decapre is a charge character who is very mix-up heavy.
She has multiple follow up moves from the command dash, including a dive kick, returning to her starting point, dropping straight down, a ground pound, and more.
If you use her air command dash and do not use one of the follow ups, once the dash animation is over you can proceed to hit air normals. The stream notes that ComboFiend showed a particular set up where Decapre used the medium version of her air command dash from about 80% of the screen away from the opponent, and was able to successfully hit a cross up attack.
Sounds fun. Hopefully this is a test bed to spice up Cammy's moveset in future SF games.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 17, 2014, 06:55:08 pm
They not all the same (As shown on stream, as shown in her trailer, as described by the article and the fact that she has target combos) and the character is 85% complete, are you even following the discussion or are you here just to spam "Crapcom" and make a fool out of yourself like you usually do?
Well, sadly the shit was made and nothing will change this. I surely hope in future Capcom can compenses this mistake of "Copy Pasting" character and made few edits. So...
Capcom doesn't have to "compensate" any of you. So...
Well, sadly the shit was made and nothing will change this. I surely hope in future Capcom can compenses this mistake of "Copy Pasting" character and made few edits. So...
Doubtful. I think we sometimes forget Capcom has been doing this for years. I thought the whole Super Ultra Mega edition bs was a joke, but they're seriously doing that as well.
I think it's our fault for expecting any different.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 17, 2014, 06:59:03 pm
maybe your fault, capcom has been doing this since the 90s so I don't get why people act so offended now.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 17, 2014, 06:59:17 pm
In Combofiend's combo video there was this combo ending in DCM after a Red Focus Crumple. Did they confirm Lvl 1 EX Red Focus causes crumple?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on March 17, 2014, 06:59:49 pm
Well, sadly the shit was made and nothing will change this. I surely hope in future Capcom can compenses this mistake of "Copy Pasting" character and made few edits. So...
Doubtful. I think we sometimes forget Capcom has been doing this for years. I thought the whole Super Ultra Mega edition bs was a joke, but they're seriously doing that as well.
I think it's our fault for expecting any different.
So this leads us to believe that Street Fighter is "dying" like Megaman, Warzard, Resident Evil, Darkstalkers, Asura's Wrath [Someone still talks about that game today?], Devil May Cry And other franchises today forgotten by the same company?
Instead of ONLY making unnecessary upgrades SF4, they could at least revive a franchise like Darkstalkers right? Where is the hype TRAILER: "Darkstalkers Are Not Dead"? It was just an illusion? Only did it for a joke? That's why I don't like Capcom actually, honestly.
I honestly do not know what you will think of what I speak, I can even be taunted by many here for saying this but:
Capcom are on death row. For now STRIDER being a good thing. At least THAT, Capcom hit the very upright goal.
That's just my opinion, only.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 07:06:21 pm
You are aware that saying "it's my opinion" doesn't magically protect you if it's still stupid, right ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on March 17, 2014, 07:07:05 pm
You are aware that saying "it's my opinion" doesn't magically protect you if it's still stupid, right ?
And it was... a pretty dumb post.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 17, 2014, 07:10:58 pm
It's extremely hard to answer a post in this thread because there are new posts like every minute :/
@KoopaKoot @S.D. I read somewhere else they reverted that or it was an invention, but it's good to know. Now I have new combos for Bison ending in Nightmare Booster...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 17, 2014, 07:12:17 pm
unless I see something that makes me change my mind.
Like, oh, I don't know, would Capcom not dying be enough to prove how retarded your post was ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 17, 2014, 07:18:14 pm
They said they were thinking about adjusting red focus since some players think it's too powerful, then again some players think it's not worth it because it has such a high cost (I disagree since not only you get quite a bit of Ultra meter if you focus a multi-hitting attack but yeah you also get a crumple) so at this point I don't know what are their plans, maybe adjusting the amount of hits you can focus but from the looks of things the crumple is staying.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 17, 2014, 07:20:34 pm
Admit you're wrong and cut your losses. You look like a fool. Its okay to not know everything about a game, I dont know everything about a game, but I dont present my opinions as facts. There was a tournament last night with tons of ryus and here you are trying to claim ryu is no longer used.
well ive never said that im expert or anything like that.. and these most likely arent facts either. i just shared my enthusiasm, to start constructive discussion, because i really like oni and evil ryu. normal ryu is not my thing, since in sfivae hes way different from sfIIIts. i was watching briefly losers bracket and havent noticed any of them. its not my fault that people have negative attitude and reaction here, and how they are interpreting my posts. cannot be responsible for their actions. i think it would be better to not reply to this topic anymore, because they don't want to read my "moronic bullshit". also i don't think engineering brand new character require influence of significant budget. to replacing it with cost cutting edit.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 17, 2014, 07:21:37 pm
unless I see something that makes me change my mind.
Like, oh, I don't know, would Capcom not dying be enough to prove how retarded your post was ?
And who are you to say if my post was retarded or not? Talking with such aggression and ignorance will not help the conversation, right?
I knew people would show up to harass eh, hehe
Well, I can only say one thing. Are liked or not Decapre? Play and be happy, but for me, it is unnecessary slot. That's it, end of story, let's talk about the game itself rather than wasting time with this new fifth "totally unique" character, as Capcom said :P Posted: March 17, 2014, 07:23:52 pm
Instead of ONLY making unnecessary upgrades SF4, they could at least revive a franchise like Darkstalkers right?
one takes far less time and resources than the other
6 years :P
Well, I want to see more Rolento's videos. I noticed he uses a rope instead of a cutting line in Take No Prisoners ultra. I do not understand it D:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 17, 2014, 07:24:39 pm
I don't think they will be adjusting the number of absorbed hits because using it is already a risk. I mean, you get x1.5 damage and a very large gray bar of life if you decide to absorb something like a multi-hit Ultra.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 07:31:59 pm
And who are you to say if my post was retarded or not?
You were making the claim that Capcom was dying, and you don't want to admit that Capcom not dying is going to prove with FACTS that your OPINION was wrong and stupid. Ergo, your posts are retarded.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on March 17, 2014, 07:32:57 pm
What I said was in response to somebody mentioning one of Decapre's normals does two hits while Cammy's only does one. Making a move do extra hits IMO does not make it a new move. Unless those extra hits have a significant change on how it is used(like comparing Ralf and Clark's Vulcan punches).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on March 17, 2014, 07:35:00 pm
I don't think they will be adjusting the number of absorbed hits because using it is already a risk. I mean, you get x1.5 damage and a very large gray bar of life if you decide to absorb something like a multi-hit Ultra.
Ah so you get more damage while charging a red focus? That's quite a risk. I don't think they'll change the number of hit it can absorb at this point, after all that was the point of a red focus attack, to absorb an unlimited number of hits rather than just one.
I like the lv 1 crumple, now you have far more combos that can end in an ultra I guess. It will probably help a lot of characters who lack combos and whatnot.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 17, 2014, 07:36:33 pm
Like Bison. I can see myself doing a combo ending in Strong Scissor Kick*EX Red Focus, Nightmare Booster :D
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 07:38:59 pm
What I said was in response to somebody mentioning one of Decapre's normals does two hits while Cammy's only does one. Making a move do extra hits IMO does not make it a new move. Unless those extra hits have a significant change on how it is used(like comparing Ralf and Clark's Vulcan punches).
Actually, a normal doing two hits is usually a much bigger difference than an Ultra doing more hits, because ultras are just cosmetics - even the difference between Shakunetsu Hadouken and regular Hadouken (in term of number of hits) isn't too important. but in many cases, a normal doing two hits instead of one is going to have repercussions on cancels, range, duration (if a one hit normal hits early, it means it has likely more recovery than the same normal adding a second hit at the end), stuff like that. Things that do matter. Of course we don't know the details in this particular case, but in general, normals are very different from specials and ultras in regard to the number of hits being changed.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 17, 2014, 07:39:09 pm
And who are you to say if my post was retarded or not?
You were making the claim that Capcom was dying, and you don't want to admit that Capcom not dying is going to prove with FACTS that your OPINION was wrong and stupid. Ergo, your posts are retarded.
And you are an ignorant guy and do not even know talk without being hostile to others. :)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 07:42:27 pm
That's just your opinion, and like many other opinions from you, it's wrong. You're the one being hostile, yelling on the Internet at a random company just because they don't do the stuff you like, claiming they'll die because of that. Don't talk to me about being hostile.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on March 17, 2014, 07:43:10 pm
Actually, a normal doing two hits is usually a much bigger difference than an Ultra doing more hits, because ultras are just cosmetics - even the difference between Shakunetsu Hadouken and regular Hadouken (in term of number of hits) isn't too important. but in many cases, a normal doing two hits instead of one is going to have repercussions on cancels, range, stuff like that. Things that do matter. Of course we don't know the details in this particular case, but in general, normals are very different from specials and ultras in regard to the number of hits being changed.
Oh no, I'm aware. It just seems that in this particular case adding an extra hit onto doesn't hold very much weight gameplay wise. Plus it was C.HP, right? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it a normal thing for heavy attacks to not be cancellable in street fighter? (Not that it doesn't happen, it's just more often than not that they aren't)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on March 17, 2014, 07:44:06 pm
So..nothing was said about a PS4 port or?
Did they not mention that the 5th character reveal would be just one reveal of multiple ones?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 07:45:35 pm
Plus it was C.HP, right? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it a normal thing for heavy attacks to not be cancellable in street fighter?
Cancels on heavy normals, yeah, you're right, though I was speaking more generally on that one. One thing I added was duration, if a one hit normal hits early, it means it has likely more recovery than the same normal adding a second hit at the end. It should be significant in the case of a heavy normal.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 17, 2014, 07:45:42 pm
That's just your opinion, and like many other opinions from you, it's wrong. You're the one being hostile, yelling on the Internet at a random company just because they don't do the stuff you like, claiming they'll die because of that. Don't talk to me about being hostile.
LOL! You're called my posts "Retarded" and you want to NOT talk you're being hostile? Are you fucking kidding me??
I will not even comment this. It's a waste of time.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 07:47:16 pm
Yes, you are very hostile and you make retarded posts and you're mad when people tell you to shut the fuck up. That is my opinion, and it's much further away from wrong than your opinions are. I'm sure it will please a lot of people to know that you will not comment on this anymore. If you could make that a rule for this topic, that'd be swell.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 17, 2014, 07:49:16 pm
Except not only the animation might be different and the frame data might be different and the hitbox might be different, two hits means it messes up focus attacks? For all intents and purposes it's a different attack, and why are you even comparing a normal to different iterations of a Hadouken?! Hadouken, Shankunetsu (Sets up juggles, needs meter), Shinkuu (Super cancelable but can be hit confirmed from certain pokes, needs even more meter) and Metsu (Only available with Ultra meter, can't be super canceled but also has its specific set of properties and juggle points) Believe it or not they're different moves, you pretty much proved yourself wrong.
Anyways.
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The build of Ultra Street Fighter 4 that Capcom's Peter Rosas (Combofiend) used to show off Decapre yesterday at Final Round 17, isn't actually the latest one, Capcom Japan's producer for Ultra Street Fighter 4 Koichi Sugiyama revealed on an official "Hagi Toko" live stream a couple of hours ago.
Even before players have got their hands on the new character at location tests, Capcom has already begun tweaking her moves for balance reasons -- and producer Sugiyama insisted on saving the latest build, which was just compiled last week, for a world exclusive on the Capcom Japan live stream.
EventHubs' own KarbyP sat in on the stream, and gathered even more notes on Decapre. You can read some of the changes she's undergone since the Final Round stream, along with other bits of information.
"Hagi Toko" live stream Decapre notes
• (Changed from FR17) Decapre's HP -> HK target combo has been changed to MP -> HK. After launching your opponent, if you're close enough to trigger close standing HK, you can now jump-cancel the target combo and follow up with additional attacks -- including Decapre's aerial grab. There also appears to be a new MP -> HP target combo.
• (Changed from FR17) Ground Cannon Drill or Spiral Arrow has been removed. The special move can now only be performed in the air.
• (Changed from FR17) Some of Decapre's teleport attacks now generate an afterimage, which makes them easier to track and defend against.
• (Changed from FR17) Psycho Stream ultra in the latest build will now knock down an opponent on hit, and launch the opponent to put it in a juggle state on counter hit.
• As she's a charged character, producer Sugiyama thinks that even for players who can't yet perform the dragon-punch, they'd be able to play Decapre.
• Light, medium and heavy variants of Psycho Sting have different invincibility properties. One version has strike invincibility, while another has projectile invincibility.
• Hundred hand slaps (claws?) hit from pretty far -- even after you've pushed your opponent away with three crouching light jabs.
LOL! You're called my posts "Retarded" and you want to NOT talk you're being hostile? Are you fucking kidding me??
I will not even comment this. It's a waste of time.
Your posts have been extremely cringe-worthy and they add nothing to the conversation (other than some whining about "Crapcom" you keep repeating over and over) so he's not the only bothered by them.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 17, 2014, 07:55:21 pm
LOL! You're called my posts "Retarded" and you want to NOT talk you're being hostile? Are you fucking kidding me??
I will not even comment this. It's a waste of time.
Your posts have been extremely cringe-worthy and they add nothing to the conversation (other than some whining about "Crapcom" you keep repeating over and over) so he's not the only bothered by them.
OH, FUCK! Now I can not say anything here? That shit huh?
Okay, since I do not add anything to the conversation, can comment on this thread here, I'm going back to doing what it is edit my chars and stages, because at least people who have help with constructive criticism rather than stay "butthurt".
Enjoy it. Except that I'm warning. Censorship is not really a nice thing to do.
Be happy everyone.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DMK on March 17, 2014, 07:57:18 pm
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• As she's a charged character, producer Sugiyama thinks that even for players who can't yet perform the dragon-punch, they'd be able to play Decapre.
I'm interested in how they managed this.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 07:57:50 pm
because at least people who have help with constructive criticism rather than stay "butthurt".
Says the guy claiming Capcom is going to die just because they do an update of SF4 instead of a complete new Darkstalkers game because it's totally the same thing and why can't they do the things I like instead of the things I don't like and I was going to laugh at everyone being mad back when the character wasn't announced yet but I'm one of the top contenders of those crying about it. ... Not even a joke, this is really happening here.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on March 17, 2014, 08:01:05 pm
That's just your opinion, and like many other opinions from you, it's wrong.
Lol this thread has just turned into people calling everyone else stupid. He literally just said his opinions are wrong.
Would it kill you both to be civil for once?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 17, 2014, 08:02:53 pm
I have mixed feelings about the Cannon Drill/Spiral arrow change. On one hand it's only an aerial move so that makes her more unique but it also feels... too unique (especially since it's a charge move)
WATCH THIS, CAPCOM IS GOING TO GO BANKRUPT FOR THIS, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION No, that is not an opinion at all. This isn't what an "opinion" is. What it is is wrong, with "just my opinion" tacked at the end of the sentence, it doesn't make it an opinion.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on March 17, 2014, 08:05:15 pm
I think it's cool. That might be the first air charge move in a fighting game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on March 17, 2014, 08:06:58 pm
WATCH THIS, CAPCOM IS GOING TO GO BANKRUPT FOR THIS, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION No, that is not an opinion at all. This isn't what an "opinion" is. What it is is wrong, with "just my opinion" tacked at the end of the sentence, it doesn't make it an opinion.
It doesn't matter. There are people actually trying to talk about the game mechanics, and it keeps getting derailed because the same 2-3 dickheads keep getting upset and calling names because they disagree. I'm surprised a mod hasn't popped back in yet.
Nobody here is 12 years old. Act like it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 17, 2014, 08:08:23 pm
It's not the first aerial charge move.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 17, 2014, 08:12:05 pm
It doesn't matter. There are people actually trying to talk about the game mechanics, and it keeps getting derailed because the same 2-3 dickheads keep getting upset and calling names because they disagree. I'm surprised a mod hasn't popped back in yet.
Nobody here is 12 years old. Act like it.
the ones derailing with cringeworthy posts are teitan and User With Japanese Name That Is Not Actually Japanese. sd and byakko (and others) are only at fault for acknowledging their posts.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 17, 2014, 08:13:45 pm
So, with the removal of the grounded Spiral Arrow half or more of the combo video is now useless...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on March 17, 2014, 08:17:07 pm
could you name some others, S.D.?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 17, 2014, 08:18:11 pm
off topic but not really: looking at her movelist, charging aside, she is veeeery similar to my malin I've been creating for a good while now who abandoned her omnidirectional air shit(choi) for forward and diagonal dash commands with similar follow ups, not gonna lie it's pretty eerie but I ain't trippin because mugen
ot chunli has had an aerial spinning bird kick since the sf2 days and there are many more I refuse to remember at this point because you play fighting games and should know this is not the first
also [e] I think you're talking about moolambo that spanish stoner guy
also also "katakana man" your posts don't really make sense and they are agitating because your points don't really hold water OR make sense also teitan
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on March 17, 2014, 08:20:19 pm
So, with the removal of the grounded Spiral Arrow half or more of the combo video is now useless...
It was removed?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 17, 2014, 08:20:24 pm
They tweaked her target combo though... and then gave her a new one.
And I don't know what's up with Psycho Stream's change, you can probably add some extra hits or do something bigger before the knockdown, otherwise you'll have to hope for a counterhit.
also also "katakana man" your posts don't really make sense and they are agitating because your points don't really hold water OR make sense also teitan
My name is Kleylson.
Well I agree with you, you're give a worthy critic about my posts. I'm very hotheaded, you know this. But. anyone mistakes well.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 17, 2014, 08:24:55 pm
It's hard to keep track of the useful info on this thread with so many flameposts, but a few posts back someone (Iced?) quoted the changelist for her on a newer build, confirming they removed grounded S.A.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 17, 2014, 08:26:48 pm
Makes me wonder if they're also gonna change her buttons, new command normals, etc. Very well a possibility at this point if they already removed grounded Spiral Arrow.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 17, 2014, 08:29:09 pm
That was my main concern with the delayed announcement... the other 4 new characters had a lot of time to be tested. With a release date of April for arcades in Japan theres so little time to tweak Decapre.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 08:29:44 pm
She's supposed to be 85% complete at the moment, but I don't think they said how complete she was in the FR17 build. If they were still deciding on her Target combos and her specials, maybe she was like 60%.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 17, 2014, 08:30:51 pm
Considering that the new 4 characters are a copy-paste from SFxT, the idea of Decapre being the fifth character isn't crazy after all. And I won't get mad at it, after all (I'm imagining her with a mix of Juni-Julli + Vega attacks, that would be awesome)
Said it 4 months ago, mantain the idea during this thread... yeah, I got it right finally :sugoi:
Just waiting for the release, now it's a good time to get finally a Xbox360, yeah!!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 17, 2014, 09:18:53 pm
Guile's aerial flash kick in MvC2, Saki(AH3)'s Brionac...
I forgot about that move...I think you can only do that from a superjump or a double jump if he had one(can't remember)
My opinions on Decapre isn't really changing at all(Pretty much overhyped for no real reason, budget character to a massive extent, threw R.Mika under the bus in an attempt to be witty) and atm, I'm pretty much on the fence if I even want to buy the game new at this point(Not BECAUSE of the character, but she is one of the reasons).
Somewhat interesting moves, but pretty much the wrong character to use them on(I seriously wished they picked another Doll or atleast had Juli & Juni play as one character, would have the same movesets, but the Daramatic Battle-like conditions with obvious health and damage nerf would be interesting).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 17, 2014, 09:30:31 pm
If you have AE 2012 this is like 15 dollars which is stupid to pass up, really. The game's full price is 40 dollars(30(?!!!) on PC according to the site) and it holds, by merit, more value than any other game given the Edition Select(which hopefully has unranked lobbies online). I really think Edition Select is what makes 40 dollars seem like a better than usual price to me. It just offers you a lot more content because the characters really have changed haha. Personally I think it's a good snag at full if you like SF4 in general. I'm holding out for the PC port myself since my console is in use by someone else for a longggg time.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 17, 2014, 09:38:41 pm
I like my physical copies so I'm getting the $40 ($80 since it's for both consoles).
I'm getting this mostly for online play and testing for creation ideas.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Seadragon77 on March 17, 2014, 09:43:04 pm
Normally, I'd prefer having the physical copy of the game.
But, with the price of the digital download being only $15 compared to the $40 price for the physical copy (which is a cheap price for games this day and age), I'm going with the digital download. Plus, I can just use the physical copy of Super Street Fighter IV and go from there with having to buy a new copy of what is essentially the same game but with new characters and new stages.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on March 17, 2014, 09:52:59 pm
If you have AE 2012 this is like 15 dollars which is stupid to pass up, really. The game's full price is 40 dollars(30(?!!!) on PC according to the site) and it holds, by merit, more value than any other game given the Edition Select(which hopefully has unranked lobbies online). I really think Edition Select is what makes 40 dollars seem like a better than usual price to me. It just offers you a lot more content because the characters really have changed haha. Personally I think it's a good snag at full if you like SF4 in general. I'm holding out for the PC port myself since my console is in use by someone else for a longggg time.
Hey man, considering I bought the $60 vanilla plus Super plus AE, they can just have my money at this point.
I've shelled out over $100 for this one game.
Fuck it.
:(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 17, 2014, 10:11:32 pm
I got Vanilla, Super and AE. For PS3, Xbox and PC (where it applies). So fuck, I spent a lot of money on this game, but as long as it entertains me I don't mind spending more.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Prototype God on March 17, 2014, 10:12:01 pm
It'd be cool if they give the Doll's Alpha stance/idle to Decapre. Least they could do.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 17, 2014, 10:13:11 pm
Aren't they all identical ? And also identical to Cammy's current stance ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Prototype God on March 17, 2014, 10:18:58 pm
They're identical, but the differences are significant enough, and it would be a pretty cool little touch.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 17, 2014, 10:48:21 pm
Cammy's current stance briefly starts out like her old/Alpha stance; they're fairly dissimilar otherwise.
Well, I want to see more Rolento's videos. I noticed he uses a rope instead of a cutting line in Take No Prisoners ultra. I do not understand it D:
It's a steel cable, not a rope. And it's not totally clear what he used in previous games (at least that I'm aware of), but it probably was something like a steel cable.
My opinions on Decapre isn't really changing at all(Pretty much overhyped for no real reason, budget character to a massive extent, threw R.Mika under the bus in an attempt to be witty)
Is having her knocked out into offscreen in a comedy video made to poke fun at the mass speculation really throwing her under the bus.
Maaaaaaaaaan, what like the how to play stuff on the bezel? That doesn't count >:[
No no, I mean arcade software actually comes with instruction manuals when purchased from an official distributor. It's pretty common ground, really. It shows board operation and also system mechanics, along with instructional flyers for promo stands and the bezel/panel markers. Some fighters came with full movesets too (Battle Fantasia comes to mind) but most older games at least came with the bare minimum stated.
I know that Buriki One came with a rather hefty manual that took a big chunk to even explain the basics, with supposedly a full combination set for every character. I say supposedly because I don't think Silber's included in there due to unplayable/unconventional unlock status.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 17, 2014, 11:25:27 pm
Huh. That's pretty neat.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 17, 2014, 11:33:13 pm
My opinions on Decapre isn't really changing at all(Pretty much overhyped for no real reason, budget character to a massive extent, threw R.Mika under the bus in an attempt to be witty)
Is having her knocked out into offscreen in a comedy video made to poke fun at the mass speculation really throwing her under the bus.
It is to me.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 17, 2014, 11:36:11 pm
Well, I want to see more Rolento's videos. I noticed he uses a rope instead of a cutting line in Take No Prisoners ultra. I do not understand it D:
It's a steel cable, not a rope. And it's not totally clear what he used in previous games (at least that I'm aware of), but it probably was something like a steel cable.
Strange. I always thinked this steel cable are a cutting line [In brazil we called "Cerol", and we call that Take no Prisoners super "Super do Cerol" :P].
Childhood arruined XD
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 18, 2014, 12:09:51 am
It's a steel cable, not a rope. And it's not totally clear what he used in previous games (at least that I'm aware of), but it probably was something like a steel cable.
it definitely looked/sounded like and was absolutely most likely a garrote wire (or choking/kill wire aka that thing d. dark uses), which would absolutely fit his psycho military persona and fighting style better than the steel cable he uses now
also, that pluck at the end? you only get that from plucking pulled string/wire, not a fat ass steel cable
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 18, 2014, 12:18:24 am
Quote
also, that pluck at the end? you only get that from plucking pulled string/wire, not a fat ass steel cable
I think the same thing.
Probably a soft censor in this move? Because this move looks exactly like the infamous wire death scene from Final Destination Movie.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 18, 2014, 01:26:54 am
No wonder it does so much damage.......... God, I hate fighting Rolento..........
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on March 18, 2014, 01:48:40 am
I wonder if Decapre has Cammy's full stance animation. Cammy's stance is the longest one in the game to loop and it ends with her sort-of scratching her nose after like 40 seconds if not more. That would look totally out of place for Decapre.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shin Mako on March 18, 2014, 01:51:03 am
No wonder it does so much damage.......... God, I hate fighting Rolento..........
It does the same amount of damage as other supers, what are you talking about?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 18, 2014, 02:07:34 am
Yeah, it's not exactly a ridiculously powerful move. It does however do the most damage out of all his supers (in Alpha 3), and you can also juggle after it hits. In CvS2 it does less than his grenade super, and it lost the juggle property. Wonder what they'll go with in Ultra.
it definitely looked/sounded like and was absolutely most likely a garrote wire (or choking/kill wire aka that thing d. dark uses), which would absolutely fit his psycho military persona and fighting style better than the steel cable he uses now
also, that pluck at the end? you only get that from plucking pulled string/wire, not a fat ass steel cable
I always figured it was some kind of steel cable, something thin enough to be a pixel wide but also strong enough to support someone's entire weight, and I dunno steel cable sorta fit Rolento's sorta industrial-chic he has going on. And that the plucking sound was just artistic license or something.
I dunno! I just figured it wasn't a literal wire because they'd break, maybe? Are those things strong enough? I have no idea!!!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 18, 2014, 02:17:38 am
i thought that joke was kind of shitty, personally. for mika at least, since she's relatively popular. most people don't care much about retsu so he can go fuck himself. but teasing oh shit here's mika! mika confirmed!!! Thank you based cap... oh nevermind it's decapre -dead fucking crowd-. could've been done without that joke
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 18, 2014, 02:19:00 am
Well now you've just opened the floodgates; just wait until the legion of Retsu fans pour in here to tell you how wrong you are.
Any second now.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 18, 2014, 02:23:49 am
@jmorphman
well it can definitely be a steel wire, as in piano wire which, aside from chicken wire, or fishing line(which is probably the easy breaking one you're thinking about), is strong as shit and can suspend a person in mid air irl -iirc they use it in cartel and mafia assassinations- just not that fat ass cable he's using, idk it just seems...impractical at second glance
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 18, 2014, 02:26:45 am
that trailer was basically the equivalent of the next nintendo direct having a trailer that has bowser just standing there taking challenges. ridley comes up, he knocks him out easily. krystal comes up, she's knocked out easily. suddenly, a real challenger approaches
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on March 18, 2014, 02:31:28 am
that would be amazing. miiverse would crash
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 18, 2014, 02:41:15 am
I didn't see the big deal, but I can see where that would rub people the wrong way (doubly so since most people would prefer R.Mika over lolCammyClone). I'm kinda surprised that was even done since Ono said he liked Mika and all.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 18, 2014, 02:43:24 am
to be fair they did do something similar with the waluigi post, shitting on any possibility of him being playable, not in the game at all tho
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 18, 2014, 02:46:26 am
Capcom is late to the party. decapre was in mugen a long time ago. though she had some of Vega(claw's) moves she still was there far before this.
I'd ratehr get an official version from capcom than some weird fan interpretation, 9 out of 10 chances the officla version will be better, like what hapenned with ryougi shiki.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 18, 2014, 04:07:36 am
Lol. Doc > Krystal all the way though. The same cannot be said here cause there were plenty of characters I'd take over Decapre but it's far from the worst it could be. Could've been that whole Gouken's daughter thing(yikes).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 18, 2014, 04:09:26 am
it's like compring asamiya athena and hatsushiro athena
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 18, 2014, 06:37:59 am
Jeez, how did that come off as a serious attempt there?
I just find it a bit messed up that they pretty much used R.Mika to toss around hope as she is pretty much wanted in another SF game next to Karin. It's like a bitchslap to her fans and those interested in her style that El Fuerte adopted later on.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 18, 2014, 10:05:30 am
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2014/mar/17/capcom-preparing-test-version-usf4-decapre-playable-ono-shows-development-sketches/ Decapre's got the giant scar on her face like Udon after all, like Combofiend said in his demo. Oh well.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on March 18, 2014, 10:07:05 am
when I saw the SFA3 scan I couldn't even believe it was from Capcom, I tought someone made the edit via vegas
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on March 18, 2014, 10:11:00 am
It's like a bitchslap to her fans and those interested in her style that El Fuerte adopted later on.
Elf plays nothing like Mika and you are taking this way too seriously.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lost_Avenger on March 18, 2014, 10:13:55 am
Question, are the costumes going to be on disk? I can't afford the data to download.
The roster is so large that if you don't like the last character, don't use her. She looks pretty strong(I'm assuming nerfs are coming) and fun. She's still better than Rufus or Hakan in terms of deserving a spot. Imo
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 18, 2014, 10:15:30 am
Yes, IIRC all the DLC so far is included in the disk version. I'm not sure if they said anything about further DLC, but you can't rule it out.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on March 18, 2014, 10:44:34 am
Idk man, I just see a huge opportunity lost by them picking Decapre as the 5th character. I mean so much build for a character that nobody really gives a shit about. At least we would've gotten some kind of nostalgic feeling if they picked an alpha character like Sodom, or Mika. The only positive thing I see from Decapre being the 5th character is some new artwork for mugen portraits and what not. First fatass Megaman and now this!? Crapcom 4 life!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 18, 2014, 11:09:19 am
Idk man, I just see a huge opportunity lost by them picking Decapre as the 5th character.
The only opportunity I see lost was not making a brand new character. People like their brand new (not recycled) characters. Going with an already existing character (or recycling an existing character) doesn't quite provide the same punch.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 18, 2014, 05:10:16 pm
Well if they had the money and the team I'm sure they would've. 3D Models are NOT cheap. I believe one of the estimated minimum prices was 0.5M dollars for rigging and getting it put together fresh from scratch. Remember that's the LOWEST. I can't see them doing that for what was intended for(and still is) 15 dollar DLC that's being released on disc in case new players show up. That just seems....really unreasonable. Also Capcom is not pumped full of cash right now so there's that too.
The only reason they're reusing assets is because they have to, and because people usually demand/greatly desire new characters per update like this(which is stupid mind you). If they had the cash that they used to, we probably would've seen 1-2 new original characters/new models completely, I'd imagine. But when the money's not there, it's not there.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on March 18, 2014, 05:12:15 pm
*Walks into the office*
*reads thread*
AAAAWWW SHIT! GODDAMN IT. THEY REDESIGNED THE MASK INTO SOMETHING EVEN CRAPPIER?! MOTHER OF FUCK. ASS SHIT FUCK
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 18, 2014, 05:13:37 pm
i don't even think a completely original character would've been that great of an idea when a good part of the reception would've been SHITTY DESIGN, WHY DIDNT YOU JUST MAKE KARIN KANZUKI INSTEAD
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on March 18, 2014, 05:18:05 pm
TBH there's just no way for Capcom to win in this position, unless they flesh out characters that have become interesting because they're mysterious and underdeveloped, much like the ones people were asking for (Expand SF1! More SFA originals!)
In any case... STILL BUYING THIS, just crossing my fingers so that Decapre doesn't catch on, like Oni and E.Ryu.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 18, 2014, 05:42:56 pm
TBH there's just no way for Capcom to win in this position
It would definitely have been much better if they hadn't overplayed the hype card with the various hints. Handle her exactly like they did Oni and Evil Ryu - they knew it would be fine because it had already happened. They even straight up lied when they "joked" that they hadn't decided the gender of the new character and went "oh yeah, you want a new female ? Well maybe we can still make the new character a girl then !" (that happened, right ? It was in some stage event, IINM)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 18, 2014, 05:43:56 pm
I think they tried to cut the hype right off when they got Ono to say "You'll probably be disappointed" in an interview lol. That didn't work either somehow.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 18, 2014, 05:45:01 pm
I don't deny that they did it for budget reasons (that one's on corporate CC), it was just to mention a point. New characters often provoke a natural curiosity that doesn't exist in returning or recycled characters (who pretty much have their fans and appeal with little room for flexibility).
They've done a good enough job with this update to where the Decapre thing will eventually wither away.
i don't even think a completely original character would've been that great of an idea when a good part of the reception would've been SHITTY DESIGN, WHY DIDNT YOU JUST MAKE KARIN KANZUKI INSTEAD
I would love to argue this point, but something tells me that this is exactly what would've happened. :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 18, 2014, 05:45:17 pm
I think they tried to cut the hype right off when they got Ono to say "You'll probably be disappointed" in an interview lol. That didn't work either somehow.
That one was much later though, it was very recent compared to everything else, it was, like, this year. In the beginning they were definitely claiming we'd be super hype. And the reason it didn't work is because they kept trying to create hype themselves, it didn't happen just because magic and lolinternet.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on March 18, 2014, 05:47:38 pm
It might have helped if fans didn't constantly harrass Capcom to "PUT IN KARIN AND R MIKA KARIN AND R MIKA KARIN RMIKA RETSU R MIKA MIKA KARIN" as if the balance fixes and gameplay additions had to be scrapped and thrown aside to make room for R Mika Karin Retsu Karin Retsu R Mika
My guess is Ono did that one shot at them as a way of saying "Shut the fuck up."
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on March 18, 2014, 05:54:49 pm
My guess is that Ono is just a spoke /promo person and can't do shit because he is not the guy who decides the budget for a game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 18, 2014, 05:58:36 pm
Not to mention that no one said the SFZ3 joke screen with Retsu and Mika was made by Ono, there's no reason for anyone to assume he did it. He's not working on SF4 anymore, Ayano is. But yes, that scene was definitely mocking all those that constantly ask for them. But then again, those constant Retsumikarin are irrelevant because they're always there anyway, every time there's something about anything new from Capcom. Those constant requests can't have had any impact on how Capcom actually handled this blind hype thing.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 18, 2014, 05:59:21 pm
Plus, Ayano is the Director and Ono is out of the project for a while now. Anyways, I'd like to think that there are more players out there happy with what has been shown so far.
(Dhalsim players are not part of this group, tho)
Edit: Oh crap DKDC, you beat me to it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 18, 2014, 06:34:12 pm
bea had it right on the money when referring to decapre's inclusion: they're obviously short on cash so from a business standpoint a "clone" char was a good idea since it saves time and money, the problem is it's so goddamn obvious, but that's mitigated by her having a different set of moves unlike ryu/ken/akuma who have the same moves/different properties, minus the spiral arrow i guess, swap that out with sniper kick and were good
also change her stance at least, give her an aura or something idk but definitely change her stance i know what's hard to do and what costs that's not one of them
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 18, 2014, 07:34:54 pm
It might have helped if fans didn't constantly harrass Capcom to "PUT IN KARIN AND R MIKA KARIN AND R MIKA KARIN RMIKA RETSU R MIKA MIKA KARIN" as if the balance fixes and gameplay additions had to be scrapped and thrown aside to make room for R Mika Karin Retsu Karin Retsu R Mika
My guess is Ono did that one shot at them as a way of saying "Shut the fuck up."
Then that's a terrible way to make a shot at them...I wouldn't be surprised if the fans buy the game used just to say fuck off with Capcom.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 18, 2014, 07:39:10 pm
i dont think they care that much lol
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 18, 2014, 07:55:54 pm
If they're that mad about it they should've been gone from the point where R. Mika stopped showing up in games. Not counting Retsu because I don't think he has a sizable fanbase that would really expect him anyways. If you're that thin-skinned about it I don't know if it's healthy to watch Capcom trailers anymore. Just look at pictures instead.
Also I agree. I don't think it's very warranted to demand new characters on a per update basis, nor should they try to all the time. This would've been the best patch ever with just balance changes and edition select lol. Perhaps once the general public learns that Capcom's money isn't endless they'll get the idea that new characters per update isn't the best thing to ask for. Not that I mind this update's characters though, they're all pretty okay/meh in some cases.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on March 18, 2014, 08:06:59 pm
I'm still happy Rolento showed up at any rate.
also SPOILERS:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
I didnt' care for R. Mika or Karin to begin with and Retsu? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH you're kidding right
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 18, 2014, 08:10:08 pm
I'm sure R. Mika isn't even that popular (And she wasn't even that good in Alpha 3, I think she was pretty low on the tier list), she only has a very vocal fanbase. I can't say the same about Karin, I like her gameplay but hey, Nakahira owns the rights to the character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on March 18, 2014, 08:20:51 pm
And Retsu sounds like a random SF1 character wanted back for the sake of an SF1 character. Why couldn't it at least be Geki that everyone preferred?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 18, 2014, 08:23:45 pm
I don't know, some hipsters also prefer Joe.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on March 18, 2014, 08:31:06 pm
i'm more partial to geki and lee myself
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 18, 2014, 08:32:27 pm
Yeah, Lee, Geki, and Joe would be cool.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 18, 2014, 08:42:24 pm
Eagle ;_; (I don't think people really care about Retsu, it's just about that artwork from the artbook and he's better connected to the Ansatsuken gang so at the very least those who want more of that know him a bit more)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 18, 2014, 08:43:10 pm
lee = lee brothers
geki = ibuki and claw to a degree
joe = cody
does that mean that they can't return no I'm just pointing out more interesting chars who took their moves (and their spots heh)
also yea eagle is dashit
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Websta on March 18, 2014, 08:45:51 pm
Recolour Seth, give him underwear. Call him Urien.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 18, 2014, 08:51:02 pm
^ AEGIS REFLECTOR?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 18, 2014, 08:57:06 pm
I miss the "HEY HEY HEY HEY" yelling when Urien performs his shoulder charge loops in the corner :(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on March 18, 2014, 09:03:18 pm
does that mean that they can't return no I'm just pointing out more interesting chars who took their moves (and their spots heh)
They don't strike you as "interesting" because Crapcom ( There, I said it ) lacks the commitment, dedication to the fans and writing talent to do anything interesting with them.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on March 18, 2014, 09:05:15 pm
does that mean that they can't return no I'm just pointing out more interesting chars who took their moves (and their spots heh)
Crapcom ( There, I said it
Damn man, you're breaking new boundaries here.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 18, 2014, 09:07:51 pm
At this point anyone using "crapcom" unironically really deserves to get punched in the jaw, it's not funny nor witty, it's just plain sad.
Dedication to "the fans"? Joe, Retsu and Mika's minuscule fanbase? The fans clearly are a vocal minority that isn't very smart (crapcom crapcom), nothing of value is lost.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 18, 2014, 09:10:29 pm
They don't strike you as "interesting" because Crapcom ( There, I said it ) lacks the commitment, dedication to the fans and writing talent to do anything interesting with them.
Or maybe, you know, juuuust maybe, no one gives a flying shit as much as you expect and there are more people who think that these characters are just fucking boring.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 18, 2014, 09:10:48 pm
Yeah. Of course... like when they released arcade edition because a lot of players requested an updated arcade version (even when arcades are not big deal anymore), or like when they took in consideration player feedback for balancing. Or like when they introduce the Select Version feature, and consider to enable it online because people is requesting it.
Damn Capcom, you are greedy bastards.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 18, 2014, 09:14:45 pm
"dedication to the fans" is still updating a game released in 2008 and keeping it alive instead of dropping it. Crapcom. thats a new one. i just heard ono threw himself off of a 50 story building after he heard that burn
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 18, 2014, 09:20:48 pm
But titiln, thats exactly the point! They should do a new game!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 18, 2014, 09:21:39 pm
Crapcom, such high brow humor. The endless wit is boggling me. Still praying for Edition Select online myself given that I'd love to do some dumb Yun mirrors haha, but yeah, Capcom still supporting this game is awesome, really. They could've stopped after AE but they didn't and I'm kind of happy about it cause this means more Dan buffs and other character improvements.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 18, 2014, 09:24:18 pm
Do you main Dan? I'm happy about his buffs, but its like my... 4th character. I only played him in a tournament once, and it was in 2009, when the game was just released. I won against a Sagat :D
I expect him to be relatively good so I can troll people again with him in tournaments.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 18, 2014, 09:24:45 pm
I get the feeling that decapre or the dolls in general have more fans than mika and definiltely have more than retsu.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on March 18, 2014, 09:25:45 pm
Actually, that was a crack at the 'discussion' about calling Capcom, 'Crapcom'.
Point being this, people don't see why you'd bring in Joe, because he looks 'boring' yes?-
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on March 18, 2014, 09:30:31 pm
He literally looks boring. Sure he looks buff at first but compared to fucking Blanka, Hugo, Rolento and even Decapre, a shirtless abbed vanilla midget in tracksuit bottoms just isn't that exciting. Unless he's spiced up to a good degree like Adon and Birdie were, I wouldn't even give Joe a second look.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 18, 2014, 09:30:47 pm
According to Sky79, to make Cody more interesting Capcom should make him throw soapbars instead of stones.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 18, 2014, 09:31:27 pm
Yes clearly damage control = being reasonable about a trailer. Color me pink. I guess my advice definitely does ring true, you SHOULD stop watching Capcom trailers. Also it looks like people coming to logical conclusions. SF4 is being supported like Blazblue(oh but the good news is you don't have to buy a new game every 1-2 years because they offer patches!) so I REALLY don't see how that's not dedicated. Seems like a fair observation to me.
Also lmao at that Fight Club comparison. Do you want to know why Fight Club's Tyler Durden had good writing? Here's a hint. It was a movie, not a game. What the hell would JOE add? He looks generic as hell compared to everyone else. No matter how much writing is put into him, who is going to pay attention to that in a fighting game, especially when it comes to what makes a character visually appealing? In summary, visuals go a longer way here than anything else. Hence why the new character is meh in all fields besides gameplay to me, lol. Alternate costumes should be fun though.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Simplistic Fubini on March 18, 2014, 09:32:12 pm
None of the popular SF characters have amazing character development. Nor amazing dialogue, nor amazing backstories.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 18, 2014, 09:35:31 pm
Joe=Abel? I think they have similar properties...................
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on March 18, 2014, 09:36:18 pm
What problem? They are popular for a reason: they are good design or gameplay wise. I never heard someone sayin "this characters sucks in design and is totally uninteresting gameplay wise, but HEY! I love his backstory so much I play with him".
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 18, 2014, 09:39:51 pm
I do quite like Joe's style and looks - and I'm not too fond of Cody getting his moves (read : that one jump kick) and calling it a day, because I hate Cody's prison design he's kept since forever (and I never liked the Zero art style). Also I don't think Joe is a terrible, stereotypical, empty design compared to other designs that have stuck. Yet I'm not asking for Joe's return and I think Decapre is a better choice. I like her too. Only way I'd ask for Joe's return is if they gave him a complete do-over, a full pass to the basic design process, and I easily know that's just not happening. For one because it never happens, they rarely recreate an entire character from scratch, they reuse, and for another because I know they wouldn't waste time and money on that. Alex or Urien would need to take priority (as said before, just give Seth a belly and a thong and a haircut and boom Urien).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 18, 2014, 09:41:50 pm
the only reason I wanna see mika in sf4 is because that body in 3d would be immaculate my god, also i like her but her not being in the game is not a dealbreaker for me
and i think the el fuerte taking her moves comment someone posted earlier refers to her sardine beach running super but that's silly because small/female wrestlers usually have running/follow up moves hence my fuerte/ramon comment a while back joe reimagined as an arrogant psychotic fight happy tyler durden type would actually be--cody
hmm but take away the extreme apathy tho, make him hot blooded as shit, sf4 style muscles they could do something
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lord Kain on March 18, 2014, 09:43:43 pm
joe reimagined as an arrogant psychotic fight happy tyler durden type would actually be--cody
That I would like to see, but Cody is not it. Cody is constantly bored and just likes to sleep in prison, the storyline actually did a terrible number on him, he has no punch in SF4 and I hated his sprites and design in Zero. Psychotic street punk with roundhouse whip kick to the face would be cool.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 18, 2014, 09:44:40 pm
Only way I'd ask for Joe's return is if they gave him a complete do-over, a full pass to the basic design process, and I easily know that's just not happening.
Actually. Let me tell you about Final Fight Streetwise..
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 18, 2014, 09:46:53 pm
No. Street Fighter isn't a story driven game, and quite honestly it doesn't need to be one. The plot is just an excuse to pit all the colorful characters in the same setting...and it works just fine.
If you want memorable storytelling, go pick another franchise. The game with an electric green man isn't getting deeper narrative any time soon.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 18, 2014, 09:54:21 pm
Mute pitt fighter with awesome kicks was pretty good, the game had good designs it just had terrible game design decisions.
What problem? They are popular for a reason: they are good design or gameplay wise. I never heard someone sayin "this characters sucks in design and is totally uninteresting gameplay wise, but HEY! I love his backstory so much I play with him".
Not that I want to get dragged into this, but personally I've seen that multiple times and have done so myself before.
But then I'm prone to hoping for better eventually.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bea on March 18, 2014, 10:02:09 pm
Final Fight Streetwise is one of my guilty pleasures. Game could have used a better execution and some better game design ideas, but still.
Anyway, I think that the reveal would have gone much smoother if Capcom had said nothing about it till yesterday, not even hinting about the possibility of a 5th character. Without all the hype behind this, created either by Capcom or by the fan base, it would have been a much easier pill to swallow.
Also, again, from a business stand point, this update is the best decision money-wise regarding the Street Fighter franchise. Working on a new game so far deep into the end of a console generation, or investing too much with a more complex update would be a sure way to lose money. Better wait till the fresh new generation of consoles gain a significant install base and release a brand new Street Fighter game to it, using the new engine they have been developing for that generation in mind. That way they can cash on the new game till the end of the console generation, much akin to what they did with SF4, and which I commend them to do.
The fighting game market is niche, after all. Cannibalizing it by spreading your potential buyers between too many games would be a very dumb thing to do.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 18, 2014, 10:03:50 pm
If you want memorable storytelling, go pick another franchise. The game with an electric green man isn't getting deeper narrative any time soon.
The Street Fighter Assassin's Fist series is going to make you eat those words ! (not that I play SF only for the story but it doesn't mean it's bad... you just don't see it much in the games, but it builds itself around and outside of the games)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 18, 2014, 10:05:52 pm
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2014/mar/17/capcom-preparing-test-version-usf4-decapre-playable-ono-shows-development-sketches/ Decapre's got the giant scar on her face like Udon after all, like Combofiend said in his demo. Oh well.
If you want memorable storytelling, go pick another genre.
Fixed.
I'll just quietly point you to Blazblue now.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on March 19, 2014, 03:11:09 am
Memorable.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on March 19, 2014, 03:13:38 am
Mortal Kombat's story mode was very revolutionary and memorable. Though memorable may be more opinion oriented as well.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on March 19, 2014, 03:18:03 am
Blazblue's storyline is actually pretty deep. I mean, what are you guys looking for when you mention a "memorable story"? The best story you've ever read? You don't find that in most of the genres and media formats to begin with. If you want some super memorable storyline you better quit the games and go read a book or watch a movie or something. Maybe you'll have better luck there.
Games with awesome story are often tagged as "dense" or have a great story but the gameplay freaking sucks so nobody remembers those anyway. It's just too hard to please gamers when it comes to a storyline.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 19, 2014, 03:32:52 am
rival schools/project justice easily, rs more so
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on March 19, 2014, 03:56:59 am
What the Street Fighter series needs is an in-depth Dating Simulator to develop the characters more.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on March 19, 2014, 04:09:41 am
Mortal Kombat's story mode was very revolutionary and memorable. Though memorable may be more opinion oriented as well.
Hell, even Dead or Alive 5 had good a storyline in my opinion, and that games main selling point is tits the great gameplay mechanics.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 19, 2014, 04:11:38 am
^ ^funny
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 19, 2014, 04:21:40 am
Story modes are nice but aren't necessary (especially if it takes time and resources away from other possible game functions). I prefer replayability which is something that's difficult for even the best story to achieve.
It does considering that even now, SF has no real Story Mode at all and while it does have Continuity, it literally seems made up on the fly with no real conclusion or satisfaction.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on March 19, 2014, 05:19:52 am
So it's settled, MFG members must write a convoluted fanfiction, and we will all accept it as the USF4 canon.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on March 19, 2014, 05:44:39 am
If you want memorable storytelling, go pick another genre.
Fixed.
I'll just quietly point you to Blazblue now.
Or MK9
Or OMK
OMK started out as a VN though. It doesn't count.
Otherwise you could say the same for Melty Blood or Fate Swo-(gags)... Fate Sword D-(gags again)... Fate Sword DanceBAAAAAAARF Posted: March 19, 2014, 05:49:48 am Sidenote, I really dislike Blazblue's storyline. To me it looks like it's trying to be deep but just ends up being too complex so I can't give a sht about anyone.
I know I'm gonna sound like the minority here, but I personally liked ROTD's story. It was simple, made sense, and every time you fought with a specific team and watched their ending, you were convinced that the chemistry behind each pair was genuine.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on March 19, 2014, 05:58:52 am
sf and kof also started as vns so you point is moot.
What in the blue hell are you talking about? Is this one of those WACKY + ZANY [E] posts that I just don't get? Is there underlying social commentary?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 19, 2014, 11:07:22 am
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2014/mar/18/decapres-toned-down-teleport-attacks-mp-hp-chain-and-psycho-stream-projectile-ultra-counter-hit-animated-gif-form/ MP-HK-air grab does nearly 25% damage, but Psycho Stream does peanuts damage. She's quite on the weird side.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [Judas] on March 19, 2014, 01:03:53 pm
A little late to the party, sure, but an idea I had that I sorta wish they had done for a second "new" character: King Cobra. His outfit became Ken's alternate outfit, so the model is there. They simply had to remove the hair/reshape the face. As far as moves go, any of the Tekken half of SFxT could have been cannibalized for preexisting animations. Mishima mash-up, maybe. Bob's stuff might have needed re-rigging, but that would have been a fun homage to Cobra's origins as an early Rufus design. Might have gotten better reception than EX Cammy, but whatever. Probably would have been equally easy to implement.
My only real gripe with the game is still the lack of the dash-in that Juri's ultra got for its SFxT incarnation. I've whiffed that damned thing in AE so many god damned times due to stupid timing. Whatevs, though.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on March 19, 2014, 01:12:01 pm
A little late to the party, sure, but an idea I had that I sorta wish they had done for a second "new" character: King Cobra. His outfit became Ken's alternate outfit, so the model is there. They simply had to remove the hair/reshape the face. As far as moves go, any of the Tekken half of SFxT could have been cannibalized for preexisting animations.
But King Cobra was meant to be Rufus. We already have Rufus. That's why he wouldn't happen.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [Judas] on March 19, 2014, 01:27:37 pm
Hence the comment about Bob's moveset (because fat speedsters). I'm aware of his origin. Reshaping existing concepts into new and different characters isn't exactly a new concept. If I recall correctly, Joe was supposed to be in Alpha 3 but became a redesigned Cody because fuck Joe, hence the presence of his kick in Cody's moveset. I forget where I read that, but it might have been bullshit. Believable, but I'm not sure about its truth.
Again, though, assets are all there. Ken's alt with a bald head and the moveset of an EX Rufus would have been fine for a cheap second "new" character. I would have been okay with just the four SFxT ports that were initially announced, really. The balance stuff is the main selling point as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on March 19, 2014, 01:31:04 pm
I think people would complain more about having a Rufus with slight tweaks or just another Rufus than another different spin on Cammy, all things considered.
Plus, not like they'd allow that character to look anything like Ken's alt since it technically belongs to him now. They'd have to make new assets.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [Judas] on March 19, 2014, 01:40:01 pm
...which is why I leaned toward cannibalizing SFxT's Tekken characters for a "new" character that feels different from the rest of the cast.
But then again, reading any comment section on anything involving Decapre shows that pretty much everyone has some different (but equally dumb) reason for hating her. KC would be hated for reusing Ken alt's model regardless of how he played.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on March 19, 2014, 01:42:41 pm
Problem is people loved King Cobra's look, and they'd like him over Rufus. Just that they'd rather him having a whole new revolutionary moveset or Rufus himself being changed to reflect his inclusion.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [Judas] on March 19, 2014, 01:55:05 pm
I still think something great could have been done without having to do new animations (aside from maybe the win/lose/taunt stuff) by mixing and matching SFxT stuff. I could be wrong. Mishima mash-up, Lars/Raven combo, Rufus/Bob, Paul remix, et cetera. Not sure what would work best, but yeah. Assets to reuse. Half a cast's worth of assets to reuse, actually. More than enough to cobble together for another character or two. Some of the alt/swap costumes would be easy enough to tweak into a character that isn't coming from some previous source, be it SFA3 NPC or SF4 concept art. Hwoarang into Rook and Steve/Kazuya into D.D. aren't things I realistically expected, but I've definitely thought about those two for the sake of spriting them for MUGEN. Another thing entirely, though.
Hell, a suitable alt could be made for KC by simply reskinning Hwoarang's Dee Jay homage swap costume.
I'm probably thinking too much into something that makes sense financially, but is never going to happen. Even if it did, something about it would piss off the fanbase.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on March 19, 2014, 01:59:26 pm
Problem is people loved King Cobra's look, and they'd like him over Rufus. Just that they'd rather him having a whole new revolutionary moveset or Rufus himself being changed to reflect his inclusion.
In addition to Rufus being a complete buffoon, rather then a serious competitor.
I'll take KC over him, Dan and most of the "new" fighters anyday.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 19, 2014, 02:39:15 pm
king cobra looked boring as shit to me. here's a guy in a black gi. whoop de fucking doo welcome to the ryu ken akuma dan pajama party mr. cobra.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 19, 2014, 02:56:16 pm
Break dancing kung fu sounds pretty cool imo Specially based on Kareem Abdul (http://www.noe-v.com/images/articles/howtodraw/kareem_kelly.jpg)
He was studied to be a design appealing to americans, then later traded in for a freaky joke, its not really all that surprising that his original design hit a few keys right with people.
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While previous Street Fighter titles relied almost solely on Capcom's Research and Development branch, the development team instead allowed other branches of the company to give input on the design of new characters, due to the influx of fan requests from outside of Japan.[4] Rufus was designed based upon marketing research on what sorts of characters an American audience would enjoy playing,[5] and was one of several characters considered for inclusion during the game's development.[6]
Designed by Daigo Ikeno,[7] Rufus was initially intended to be a bald slender African American male wearing martial artist robes named "King Cobra", meant to be a more acrobatic counterpart to series characters Ryu and Ken and voiced by Wataru Hatano.[8] His fighting style was intended to be "breakung-fu", mixing elements of kung fu with breakdancing, which they perceived as a fad in the United States at the time, and Ikeno developed the character's concept around it. Midway through the process of recording the character's lines, however, art director Takashi Kamei proposed that they have the character be overweight, an idea Ikeno agreed with.[9] As a result, the design was gradually changed completely, becoming more obese and turned into a blonde, long haired white male,[10] a design which Ikeno later admitted was in fact rushed.[11] The changed appearance surprised many of Capcom's staff members, including Hatano, who remarked "Wait, is that my character?"[12] Rufus final appearance was chosen over his initial design because the developers felt he would "freak people out". Street Fighter IV's executive producer Yoshinori Ono likened his inclusion to that of Blanka in Street Fighter II, noting that Rufus' "over-the-top" design was intended to help set the game apart from the "really cool-looking but ultimately bland" characters of Tekken and Virtua Fighter.[6]
In an interview, Ono noted they made Rufus intentionally silly, adding that he could be called an "American Dan" in terms of being a joke character in the game's roster.[13] He later referred to Rufus as "quite grotesque to look at" when describing the new characters for the game.[14] When asked about comparisons between Rufus and Bob, a character introduced by Namco for their Tekken series around the same time, Ono emphasized that the characters were different in many regards, and while Bob represented a "cool fat guy", Rufus represented a "weird fat guy".[15] Other Capcom staff members including community manager Seth Killian have received the character warmly, noting Rufus as their favorite new character in the series.[5]
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 19, 2014, 03:05:00 pm
i'd like the character a lot better if his outfit was different
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 19, 2014, 03:07:50 pm
Although I can't say I like Rufus, he certainly works for Street Fighter's comic nature more so than King Cobra would have.
Imo, I felt the 2 designs could co-exist in Vanilla SF4 if it wasn't for Dan taking the 4th shoto slot (because we know they're not removing Ryu, Ken, and Akuma). That said, did he really have to wear a gi because SF already has enough of those.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Thedge on March 19, 2014, 03:11:25 pm
Rufus is OK, KC's design is kinda meh actually.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 19, 2014, 04:19:53 pm
i'd like the character a lot better if his outfit was different
His outfit would have worked, imo, the sneakers , and gold medallions made all the difference. It showed a character that paid some respect to the original martial arts ( with the gi and the belt that said "survival of the fittest) while standing him apart as being modern (with the sneakers, cobra symbol on his back and medallions. I think its the ideal way to make a character diverse, have one where his race isnt the main draw of it( tons of snk era characters were black and played basketball as a fighting style it was bloody weird, it got weirder when sean showed up in sf3 and look and behold he has a basketball ) . If anything the whole dancing thing should have been replaced by just specialized kungfu.
Rufus feels rushed.Even Rufus designer agrees on that one.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on March 19, 2014, 05:48:45 pm
so yeah he feels rushed, what could've been done to him make him feel less rushed? bob is literally just a blond fat guy and nobody complains. rufus is a blond fat guy who believes ken to be his eternal rival, has a super hot girlfriend/wife and has a biker aesthetic. i dont see much more that could be done with him without making him somehow integral to sf's storyline.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on March 19, 2014, 05:50:58 pm
Bob is fun to play as..and he does not look and sound like a complete idiot.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on March 19, 2014, 06:03:04 pm
That's uh, not a very good argument.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 19, 2014, 06:07:34 pm
I'm not surprised that a guy based on the concept of "being disliked" (you can't describe it otherwise) is disliked. If the point was to "shock" players and not just "repel" them, then he's lacking a redeeming factor in his design, visual- or personality-wise ; his goofy yet easily abusive moveset doesn't help. That's how he's "rushed", because he was designed around just one general idea and doesn't have a second (or third) dimension to himself. Only the dimension of "he annoys people" is left. King Cobra might be more appreciated because he's more relatable, even if yay pajama party. Some sports pants instead of the karategi bottom could have been enough, together with the sneakers.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 19, 2014, 06:14:05 pm
bitching fur trimmed gi could have been enough.
Bob was designed to be a cool fat dude, Superhero poses and all.
Rufus was just around the idea of shocking players and being ugly like Byakko said and the designer said.
One thing I asked a few posts ago but no one answered, anyone knows if Ono new project has been named yet?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: City_Hunter on March 19, 2014, 06:16:10 pm
dont know if this was already post but i founded this at imt
maybe they are planning something with the three free slot
sorry again if it is fake or was already post
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on March 19, 2014, 06:16:34 pm
cant wait for the sf5 cinematic where the new big bad stands over ryu and kens crumpled body..... and who is the final and last hero to challenge him? its rufus. this will be canon. rufus will save the street fight game
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 19, 2014, 06:19:45 pm
cant wait for the sf5 cinematic where the new big bad stands over ryu and kens crumpled body..... and who is the final and last hero to challenge him? its rufus. this will be canon. rufus will save the street fight game
I dont understnad your point, are you saying that this would make Rufus not rushed? Didnt you read the creator interview? Rufus isnt rushed because he isnt saving people or being a hero, his design is just one dimensional.
edit: to specify, remember sf ex and how they decided to hype a character by having him kill akuma in the storyline? That doesnt really made the character any favours, but he was still liked because his design made him look pretty good. In the same vein Duck King is considered a really cool character although he never did anything interesting. Character design can be separated from story design, like, completely.
City_hunter, that is just a screenshot from the site with interrogation marks added. http://www.capcom.co.jp/sf4/character.html
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on March 19, 2014, 06:26:04 pm
i was joking
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 19, 2014, 06:26:58 pm
Rufus and Bob work for their respective series. I don't think they're the best designs in their series, but they work well for what they are.
Bob would be boring as hell in SF and Rufus would be even more obnoxious and annoying in Tekken.
One thing I asked a few posts ago but no one answered, anyone knows if Ono new project has been named yet?
It hasn't. All that's known is that he's assembling (already assembled) a team at a new studio and that was a few months ago.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 19, 2014, 06:31:18 pm
Thank you Nitris, considering he had a failure at sf x tekken and a sucess with sf4 I wonder if they will let him do a fighting game next.
meanwhile
people are using this old twitter post : https://twitter.com/Yoshi_OnoChin/status/359098942404820993
and the three slots up there to claim that capcom has been secretly doing something for ultra update.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 19, 2014, 06:34:31 pm
I think there is a chance to make another sf4 version in one/two years just in case sf5 takes too long to develop.
talking aobut ono's next project I get the feeling it will be a new sf game, what I wodner if how they will do it and how much budget it will get, id rather get a lo budget sf game like the latest sega fighting games that no new sf game at all.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on March 19, 2014, 06:37:50 pm
I call fake, because that select screen looks like shit.
Thats not a character select screen
I just posted what it was. http://www.capcom.co.jp/sf4/character.html
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on March 19, 2014, 06:50:51 pm
lol they just cant center it with 5 new chars, before decapre it was 2 empty spaces on either side, basically just a pattern/arrangement. i dunno if theyre really gonna add new chars with new models in their current state.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 19, 2014, 06:54:15 pm
If anything they might add model swaps like oni and evil ryu. Unless they have been preparing extra chars that were left out before ( like thawk for vanilla ) theres no way anything else they do isnt on that level.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on March 19, 2014, 07:09:32 pm
Can we get a translation of that profile? :)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 19, 2014, 07:16:12 pm
bob drowns in the pussy so any discussion on bob is moot
anyway
rufus is one dimensional as fuck and could've been easily replace by that fucking hambeast king cobra, on some fucking silver shit with fur on his gi and shit, they could've gave him rufus' loquaciousness, gf, and rivalry with ken, but he would not have been...fat, which i guess was the main point even tho it's not a big deal at all, he's just happens to be fat, oh and american
king cobra would be stomping testicles right now smh
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 19, 2014, 08:19:03 pm
I WOULD LOVE ANOTHER SHOTO! Rufus freaks me out. But they were too lazy to change his stage? Isn't it odd fighting a big guy in a disco?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on March 19, 2014, 10:00:35 pm
There is no disco stage. Rufus' unofficial stage is basically Drive-in at Night which is pretty fitting for a biker.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Seadragon77 on March 19, 2014, 10:10:31 pm
A member of the (Dolls) Vega Guard of Shadoru. There is no display of emotion is usually located in the brainwashing under Vega, Control may be disabled because brainwashing is incomplete, and extremely excited. The hatred vigorously Cammy, a former SS Vega, chasing after that.
From that, this what you get: -Member of the 'Dolls' -Bison's brainwashing usually takes out all emotions in a victim, but since this was incomplete, it can be disabled. -She's after Cammy
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 19, 2014, 10:14:58 pm
Oh, it had that stupid disco floor. It confused me. I mean seriously, what drive in looks like that, even at night?
Yeah, what to heck? Also, last I checked Japanese Karateka men do not shoot blue fireballs. Furthermore, no laws of physics can explain Chun Li's Spinning Bird Kick move. I hope these issues are addressed in the videogame
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Red Comet Tyson on March 19, 2014, 10:40:58 pm
from the profile
likes = dog dislike = cammy
lol
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 19, 2014, 10:57:37 pm
"Funny" because Cammy likes Cats, right? I remember that from her ending in SSF2X.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 19, 2014, 11:06:08 pm
In the Nakahira manga Killer bee was named Cammy after Sakura cat, cammy.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on March 20, 2014, 12:13:41 am
Yeah, that's not really great, it fails on important details. Under Vega's brainwashing, she normally doesn't display any emotion, but because the brainwashing is imperfect, extreme stimulation may cause a loss of control.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 20, 2014, 12:54:21 am
decapre dislikes ambiguous expressions even though most of her face is covered. decapre is a fucking shithead
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 20, 2014, 12:55:51 am
Didn't you notice ? Her mask has expressions (the size and shape of the black borders around the white eyes change) it's also likely the reason her mask now shows her mouth instead of covering the whole face.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on March 20, 2014, 12:58:06 am
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Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 20, 2014, 01:05:29 am
Stop posting Maximilian videos, they're fucking terrible.
In the Nakahira manga Killer bee was named Cammy after Sakura cat, cammy.
so, another battle angel alita reference, cool (in the battel angel alita/gunnm manga the mc is named gally in the japanese version, alita in the usa one, the mc also has a cat that is named alita in the japanese version, gally in the usa one, the manga recently ended again). even the dolls are a reference to the manga too.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 20, 2014, 01:32:09 am
My Cammy Gaiden copy says Viz. And yeah, Elf and Zolf (Did I get their names right?) Are pretty much Juni and Juli. Last order "ended" but not really, Kishiro is just continuing Gally's Mars adventures in a new title (Looks like the "ending" was there just so he could ditch the old cast)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 20, 2014, 01:41:20 am
yeah, take a vacation, maybe switch magazines ; hopefully he is not suck this time. he pretty much redid the previous ending in the last 2 volumes so last order end in the same point as the first manga did. cammy borrowed a lot from that manga, I wonder if capcom can do away with borrowing that much in the current times (I guess they still can, since manga authors/editors still seem to be rpetty lax regarding that). Posted: March 20, 2014, 01:44:20 am so, going with the reference decapre is sechs I guess, even her face now is like hers/hims
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 20, 2014, 01:59:30 am
Stop posting Maximilian videos, they're fucking terrible.
he made a nice point i hadnt realized before, Decapre is reusing some of Raven assets.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 20, 2014, 02:10:22 am
I didn't see it that way. If it's supposed to be about her teleport, it looks a lot more like Juni's Mach Slide with a Hyakki Shu twist for the follow-ups ; IINM, Raven's attack was only dependent on the first button press and wasn't an actual follow-up, I understand Decapre's require an additional button input. I'm not completely sure she has more than just one follow-up per direction of the dash though, ground has just slice, up forward has only ground pound, and high up has only dive kick, is that it ? Backward has nothing ? The options are similar, but they're standard Hyakki Shu mix-up IMO, the teleport doesn't even use Raven's fake double (the one that seems to come from above but really hits low), which is the biggest interest of Raven's version. That's pretty much all I see in common with Raven - Raven isn't even a charge character. Decapre's DCM isn't Raven's super, it's the good old Killer Bee Assault.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 20, 2014, 02:47:03 am
See? Thank you. This is why Max's videos are so terrible, people take most of the things he says as a fact. There's really nothing Raven-like about her (I can see how the teleport might resemble's Raven's Doppelganger, at least at first glance, but they're really nothing alike), and then the rest of the video it's just him repeating things we already know ("Did you know? The four new characters are ported from SFxT!" "Did you know? Decapre is reusing Cammy's assets!")
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on March 20, 2014, 02:50:22 am
This is why Max's videos are so terrible, people take most of the things he says as a fact. There's really nothing Raven-like about her (I can see how the teleport might resemble's Raven's Doppelganger, at least at first glance, but they're really nothing alike)
That's probably all he meant anyway. He didn't mention anything other than the teleport so he was possibly alluding to how at the very least the startup was similar.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 20, 2014, 04:15:52 am
S.D. with the salt factor...
Max still did bring up the main point that she does have similar movesets from other characters, whether it is Raven, Cammy, Psylocke, whatever the hell else, even if it's small inspirations or complete rips.
Decapre as she shows now is pretty much just filler from other games and titles because Capcom's budget is super thin.
Besides, Her moves ARE similar to Raven, whether they were completely ripped or just enough to pass by inspiration.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 20, 2014, 04:26:00 am
What "salt factor"? What does that even mean? All Max does is parrot whatever other people have said before and then bring up terrible theories that extremely gullible people such as you take as facts.
Max still did bring up the main point that she does have similar movesets from other characters, whether it is Raven, Cammy, Psylocke, whatever the hell else, even if it's small inspirations or complete rips.inspiration.
Except the moves aren't similar. Again her teleport is nothing like Raven's Doppelganger. She has an aerial Cannon Drill which is also a charge move, it looks the same (She IS a clone) but it works in a completely different way, what Psylocke move? the "Energy" blades? That's not even a move and she has physical blades.
Decapre as she shows now is pretty much just filler from other games and titles because Capcom's budget is super thin.
Filler from other games and titles? I don't know what's that supposed to mean, elaborate. Man, Capcom's budget is non-existant (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY3U6A1qNq8).
Decapre as she shows now is pretty much just filler from other games and titles because Capcom's budget is super thin.
And it's because Capcom dose (and will continue to do) lazy, throw away garbage like this, they're going broke. "My eyes are in my teeth, I can't see.............because I'm eating"
The irony is sweet.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 20, 2014, 04:53:12 am
yeah shin dio is salty because uhhh maximilian made an average at best at video and he didn't like it
you're ruining the term salty. please don't use it anymore
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on March 20, 2014, 04:55:55 am
Stop posting Maximilian videos, they're fucking terrible.
your talking as if I was doing nothing but posting his videos, I'm not even subscribed to his channle since even I find most of his videos pointless , and after seeing his video about what he think the best fighting game in 2013 it became clear to me that he knows very little or play very little real fighting games, or simply don't even know what his talking about.
but the thing is, he did make a valid point in the video , I mean we got like what 8 shotocon in SF4 so far , yet people are raging about one that is not , tought I do think it wasn't worth the hype , its not even worth all the rage why the character looks so much like cammy
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 20, 2014, 04:56:46 am
are there really 8 shotacons in sf4
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on March 20, 2014, 04:58:58 am
Decapre as she shows now is pretty much just filler from other games and titles because Capcom's budget is super thin.
And it's because Capcom dose (and will continue to do) lazy, throw away garbage like this, they're going broke. "My eyes are in my teeth, I can't see.............because I'm eating"
The irony is sweet.
I don't know if you're actually being sarcastic of stupid on purpose.
Play nothing like "shotacons" (They might be one though)
They might as well be out of pure technicality and tradition.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 20, 2014, 06:38:05 am
I don't know, Gouken seems like he molests children.
Also, hey guys, Capcom is going bankrupt! Because I like to come out with arguments that have no basis whatsoever since I'm a self entitled manchild! http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/finance/review.html They have Monster Hunter, I'm sure they'll be fine for a good couple of years.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 20, 2014, 06:58:34 am
there are rumours saying that ono is working on a monster hunter fighting game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 20, 2014, 07:07:15 am
"Look at all these Rathalos clones, fucking crapcom"
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on March 20, 2014, 07:11:27 am
Perhaps instead of assuming they're bankrupt or something, let's say they don't wanna spend a lot of money on a model for a, at most, 40 dollar update that will be 15 dollars DLC for most of its sales because of AE 2012's install base. I'm sure that is a pretty darn reasonable reason.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nate Nukem on March 20, 2014, 07:14:31 am
I like to come out with arguments that have no basis whatsoever since I'm a self entitled manchild!
Intended as sarcasm or not, this is the most accurate thing S.D. has ever said, especially about himself.
I don't know what you're so incredibly salty about, but it's getting really old seeing your bitterness derail thread after thread.
Just... stop.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 20, 2014, 07:17:33 am
what
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on March 20, 2014, 07:27:40 am
lmao this dude comes out of nowhere every 2 months to say some dumb bullshit and then fades away again.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 20, 2014, 07:32:19 am
Seriously. "Stop talking about Street Fighter in a Street Fighter thread, you're derailing it!" I don't know what's up with all these people not even knowing how to use the term salty properly.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: LunchPolice aka Quack on March 20, 2014, 07:33:48 am
Ugh... so hostile around here! I guess that's the internet for you. :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on March 20, 2014, 07:55:48 am
Guys don't be so harsh with Duke. He's four!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 20, 2014, 08:19:03 am
What "salt factor"? What does that even mean? All Max does is parrot whatever other people have said before and then bring up terrible theories that extremely gullible people such as you take as facts.
Salt is obvious, I don't even know why you are asking that... And even so, if he parrots ideas, logic from others, it's still nice to see someone getting it all in one package and stating it so compared to having to read different forums at times for the whole picture(I never knew there was people who really wanted Alex for SF4).
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Except the moves aren't similar. Again her teleport is nothing like Raven's Doppelganger. She has an aerial Cannon Drill which is also a charge move, it looks the same (She IS a clone) but it works in a completely different way, what Psylocke move? the "Energy" blades? That's not even a move and she has physical blades.
How the hell does that stop her from being like a massive reused asset dump again? I'm not saying every move, stance and otherwise came from all of the characters' and she's a Frankenstein's Monster. I'm saying it doesn't help her "clone status" when nearly everything she has is direct inspirations.
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Filler from other games and titles? I don't know what's that supposed to mean, elaborate. Man, Capcom's budget is non-existant (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY3U6A1qNq8).
It seems you don't realize what a budget MEANS...so let me enlighten you: USF4 was not made using all of Capcom's resources, hell, not even close to 1/10th of it's resources. It was given a small ass budget considering that the only new things about 4 reused characters is their 2nd Ultra animations while damn near everything else came from SFxT.
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Except they're not. I used to main Raven in SFxT (Before he got nerfed), her moves are nothing like Raven's.
*sigh* I don't think you get what "Inspiration" comes from... Posted: March 20, 2014, 08:19:58 am
How the hell does that stop her from being like a massive reused asset dump again?
I never said she wasn't one (3D model-wise). Me and others have already stated why Capcom reused Cammy, Ultra is a relatively cheap upgrade from AE and still brings lots of cont-Yeah we're pretty much just going on circles, reasons have already been stated you either don't read or just selectively read posts.
I'm not saying every move, stance and otherwise came from all of the characters' and she's a Frankenstein's Monster. I'm saying it doesn't help her "clone status" when nearly everything she has is direct inspirations.
It seems you don't realize what a budget MEANS...so let me enlighten you:
hell, not even close to 1/10th of it's resources. It was given a small ass budget considering that the only new things about 4 reused characters is their 2nd Ultra animations while damn near everything else came from SFxT.
You said filler, not budget, word your posts properly.
And uh, that's what we've been saying and we've been using that argument as one of the main reasons as to why Decapre's addition is justified? She might look like Cammy but she doesn't play like Cammy at all. You're just contradicting yourself at this point.
*sigh* I don't think you get what "Inspiration" comes from...
Neither do you? Those moves don't look the same and don't work the same. I might be wrong though, I mean, Maximillian said so in one of his videos so that's all the proof you need.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 20, 2014, 09:52:15 am
Decapre's moves are actually very original. The air Cannon Drill, the uppercut launcher, the teleport Hyakki Shu, the running slaps, the Psycho Crusher into a launcher... Some of the moves might visually resemble previous moves, like the Psycho Crusher, the Yoga Inferno Catastrophe, the Cannon Drill, the Mach Slide, the Killer Bee Assault, but none of them work quite the same, they're not done in the same conditions, they have very different results. They're familiar, sure, but she still has a quite original moveset. Being a charge character also makes quite a difference in her gameplay, for someone supposed to play fast and with a teleport. Honestly, if they can just swap the air Cannon Drill animation for Juli's Sniper Arrow, she'll be as good as unique.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on March 20, 2014, 10:07:34 am
I know no one cares about story background and etc but, doesn't Decapre's presence retcons Juri's OVA?
She was captured along with the other DOLLs O_o
PS: Thanks, Captain Obvious!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 20, 2014, 10:58:49 am
these 4 looks more original than anything ive already seen in upcoming sf4u (wonder if these would be included in preorder steam version or upgarde -_- or these are just only console exclusives, like in sfxt... probably this)
maybe they could with their budget create ONE totally new character OR spread the costs to add more new game content like, character modes, port sfxt stuff (including new ultras/supers for chars - for example rolento i just love his move with garrote wire "super combo from sfa3") and new edited character, and totally new looking skins. honestly i prefer second option.
edit: i mean edition select thingy, but yeah elimination is sweet as the new system, focus and ultra changes these make game more crafty.
p.s people are angry because no new visuals but they don't see improvements on technical side, i guess it must be played to see.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 20, 2014, 11:07:36 am
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spread the costs to add more new game content like, character modes, port sfxt stuff and new edited character, and totally new looking skins. honestly i prefer second option.
You mean like Elimination (King of Fighters mode) and Online Training modes (http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/jul/14/ultra-street-fighter-4-name-new-version/)
Her close st fierce is like Vega’s, a two hit swipe where the first is cancelable
So the two-hit fierce is cancelable after all, there's the reason for it to be two hits we were discussing earlier. The handslap barrage is done by just mashing P like the usual Hundred Hands/Kicks moves ? And she runs during it ? That seem a bit weird to me.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on March 20, 2014, 11:45:46 am
I thought the barrage was a charge move. At least, that's what Combofiend said during the showcase on IGN.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on March 20, 2014, 02:14:12 pm
p.s people are angry because no new visuals but they don't see improvements on technical side, i guess it must be played to see.
are you serious? this is the balance update the fans have wanted. there is edition select and more online optimization. the technical side is far and away improved.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on March 20, 2014, 03:16:57 pm
I might be wrong though, I mean, Maximillian said so in one of his videos so that's all the proof you need.
they guy also thinks that the "Edition Select" is a good thing, wonder what people here thinks about that.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 20, 2014, 03:33:46 pm
Dan and Sakura are shotacons, Sakura has a little brother if you need proof shotos. Don't see how they're not.
And people are upset with Capcom right now because the 5th character was an over-romanticized recycling of an already existing character (those people expected too much anyway). That's kinda understandable, but the "Capcom is dead for once again pissing off their fans" nonsense holds little to no logical merit.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 20, 2014, 03:37:44 pm
An uppercut and a fireball ? That's a Shoto.
... Except the term becomes pretty much useless if that's the definition you use. Guile's a Shoto as long as you don't want to go into details as to how the fireball and the uppercut work and what difference it makes. If you do want to go into details, then Dan's fireball being close range only instantly makes him not a Shoto. Or is it just that it has to look like a Hadouken and a Shoryuuken, even if they work nothing alike ? Then that definition is completely useless.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 20, 2014, 03:42:21 pm
Sakura does have a hurricane kick even if it looks different (and pretty much has the typical shoto nuances). Dan maybe, but the perception of him being one (gi, stance, hadoken, dp) isn't easy to deny.
Hell people just throw Oni and Gouken there and they certainly have less shoto qualities.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 20, 2014, 03:45:46 pm
So basically the only common ground is a vague resemblance in the looks. Sakura's spinning kick is still a Hurricane kick even if it works completely differently. In that case, that definition is useless and there's no sense in complaining that we have several characters that have some random similarities that don't even need to be the same for everyone (Dan has a karategi => he's a Shoto, Sakura has a spinning kick => she's a Shoto). There could be 17 Shotos and it would still be good if everyone has moves that are completely different from each other. I'm glad we'll get 17 Shotos in the next update. It's a good thing to have so many of them.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 20, 2014, 03:49:29 pm
The shoto clone thing stopped making sense when we went into 3d, it used to be a simile for the pajama party troupe, people that were mostly headswaps. ken, gouki, dan, ryu, sean
nowadays i have seen people try to use it to signify anyone with a straight fireball and a advancing kick together with a shoryuken type move, this definition also includes sagat, ...and chunli.
then theres those that use it to try to define the ansatsuken fighters, but if you do that you include gouken whose shoryuken is missing , and oni that plays nothing like a shoto. Not to mention how dan and sakura dont even practice ansatsuken.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 20, 2014, 04:02:23 pm
To be clear, I do understand the multiple definitions of the term, and I agree that they all have some common points, but as a complaint on having multiple identical characters, it makes absolutely no sense because they aren't identical in any way. That term should only be used to facilitate comprehension or to speak generally, but certainly not in this way. People who use it as a ground for complaints don't know what they're saying, unless they simply hate the karategi design and vent it with a generic complaint.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on March 20, 2014, 04:07:11 pm
Hey guys, do you know when the 5th character is going to be revealed? :)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Thedge on March 20, 2014, 04:08:07 pm
I hope it's Garuda. ----------------------
About who's shoto and who's not, it's so vague that almost any character that is not a grappler could fill the requirements.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 20, 2014, 05:07:05 pm
nowadays i have seen people try to use it to signify anyone with a straight fireball and a advancing kick together with a shoryuken type move, this definition also includes sagat, ...and chunli
this, and in that sense, it obviously transcends sf, with morrigan/lilith/demitri being the shotos of ds
the kyokugenryu karateka in whatever game their in (takuma didn't even gain an uppercut til xii-complete)
kyo/iori/k'/shingo in kof (pre 96 kyo ofc, and shingo doesn't even have a fireball)
terry/andy/joe in ff....nigga what
there are literally hundreds of other examples
also, it's debatable whether you could call liu kang/johnny cage the shotos or all those fucking ninjas the shotos
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Thedge on March 20, 2014, 05:11:57 pm
In KOF 97 Mai's a shoto, I swear.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on March 20, 2014, 05:29:18 pm
In KOF 98 Terry was a shoto :O
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 20, 2014, 05:30:51 pm
if anything you can say that shotonness depends on how integral to teh gameplay the shoryuken and the hadouken equivalents are.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 20, 2014, 06:17:01 pm
ok, first I mentioned a game that is based of a vn, then jango disqualified it by mentioned more games that are also based on vns so I re-disquailfied the regular fighting games because they also have vns (i planned to say that it did not matter if the vn came before or after the first figting game in the series got released in case he focused on sf, in the case he focsed on kof the quiz game was gonna be the vn) but jango did not follow up my post.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 20, 2014, 06:39:11 pm
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on March 20, 2014, 06:52:58 pm
I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned this (it would be a serious waste of time checking now) but the stages ported from SF x TK look horrible. They look nowhere as clean as they did in that game and they feel as if several elements are missing from the stages.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 20, 2014, 06:55:43 pm
let's talk about how days of memories has got the best cast ever and how kof kyo is the most-kof kof game ever made.
and yeah, street fighter never got anything plot heavy, right? I mean we alwasy refer to mangas and comics and animes and the usa cartoon for plot confirmation.
I remember that when the usa cartoon first aired in my country the nanny broke rating records, everybody who watched the nanny (mostly house wifes) kept on watching it and everybody who watched something else was gonna watch sf2 (since the older sf fans were in their early 20s back then and it aired in the cartoon channel, so the only people who would have watched other show were fathers of family who were at work not watching tv anyway), but once the sf2 cartoon started and we first head sonido boom (a literal translation of sonic boom, actually a word by word translation without giving any tought to sentence structure) the people watching sf2 immediately changed channel to the nanny.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on March 20, 2014, 06:59:49 pm
ok, first I mentioned a game that is based of a vn, then jango disqualified it by mentioned more games that are also based on vns so I re-disquailfied the regular fighting games because they also have vns (i planned to say that it did not matter if the vn came before or after the first figting game in the series got released in case he focused on sf, in the case he focsed on kof the quiz game was gonna be the vn) but jango did not follow up my post.
"I was planning on making sense later"
ok then
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Thedge on March 20, 2014, 07:03:36 pm
ok, first I mentioned a game that is based of a vn, then jango disqualified it by mentioned more games that are also based on vns so I re-disquailfied the regular fighting games because they also have vns (i planned to say that it did not matter if the vn came before or after the first figting game in the series got released in case he focused on sf, in the case he focsed on kof the quiz game was gonna be the vn) but jango did not follow up my post.
For what it's worth, I was under the impression that the topic of the moment was "Fighters with Deep Storylines," and then OMK came up, and I posted because OMK was based on Umineko, it wouldn't count because the plot wasn't specifically for the fighter.
I'm so confused now!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: City_Hunter on March 20, 2014, 10:35:51 pm
just wanted to ask, since she is playable is poison the manager of hugo in this this game since it happen before sf3
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Thedge on March 20, 2014, 10:42:36 pm
At this point I don't think the story of this particular entry makes any sense.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on March 20, 2014, 10:47:48 pm
I don't see how it contradicts anything either though.
They both come from Mad Gear years before, they know each other and get along.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 20, 2014, 10:49:43 pm
yeah this game doesnt hurt their overall story at all afaik
just the fucking kids goddammit
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 20, 2014, 10:59:13 pm
ok, first I mentioned a game that is based of a vn, then jango disqualified it by mentioned more games that are also based on vns so I re-disquailfied the regular fighting games because they also have vns (i planned to say that it did not matter if the vn came before or after the first figting game in the series got released in case he focused on sf, in the case he focsed on kof the quiz game was gonna be the vn) but jango did not follow up my post.
For what it's worth, I was under the impression that the topic of the moment was "Fighters with Deep Storylines," and then OMK came up, and I posted because OMK was based on Umineko, it wouldn't count because the plot wasn't specifically for the fighter.
I'm so confused now!
the fighter all by itself has an amusing enough plot, with the 20 or so storylines depending on the team, especially the ones who are fighting to win a carrot.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 21, 2014, 12:29:12 am
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2014/mar/20/first-look-decapre-capcom-spill-beans-new-characters-backstory-her-hatred-cammy-her-moveset-and-how-use-her-effectively/ - translation of Ayano's blog said:
Decapre is a clone of Cammy
Hm ? In the storyline, she's an actual clone ? Was that always the case ? I always thought she "just looked a lot like her".
Also it reconfirms the Slaps is a button mash, not a charge move.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 21, 2014, 12:30:33 am
She was a failed Cammy prototype in the Udon comics. I guess they are going with that. Ugh. >:[
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 21, 2014, 12:39:22 am
Ah, if the Udon comics made her a clone, then yeah, I guess the usage of the big scar makes it obvious they're going with that version, with everything else :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 21, 2014, 12:44:50 am
But it's so dumb! >:[
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 21, 2014, 12:52:39 am
Hey, it saves them the trouble of writing up another reason for random-girl-who-looks-similar Decapre to be going after Cammy and hate her. Besides, that other version with Claw giving her the mask so she won't damage her face after seeing Cammy's cheek scar, where did that one even come from, originally ? It wasn't in SFZ3, was it ? In addition, with the cloning pods, they have a backup plan in case they want to bring back the other Dolls : they were cloned ! Ayano even points out that the other Dolls are seen in more cloning pods in Decapre's artwork, pointing out it's the same kind of pod as the one Decapre is in in her opening cinematic. So that's pretty much a done deal, at the very least they're still going to be there in Decapre's story. And finally, I guess that also gives a bit more legitimacy to Decapre re-using the Killer Bee Assault (renamed DCM) and possibly taking that mantle/name for herself, she'll become a legit character in the franchise like Gouki and then Gouken in their time. ... Buuuut it really doesn't explain why the hell she's suddenly Russian.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 21, 2014, 01:07:34 am
It's not like she had tons of background story in SFZ3 and they did mention "based on the comics", I don't see what's the big deal.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on March 21, 2014, 01:19:12 am
I just want to see how she ties in with Seth. Since I know she's going to be going after him.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on March 21, 2014, 01:26:06 am
Even before the comics I thought decapre was a failed bison clone and that cammy was the success. I don't remember where I heard it before udon but I'd never heard any other background story for her till now.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 21, 2014, 01:45:35 am
Hey, it saves them the trouble of writing up another reason for random-girl-who-looks-similar Decapre to be going after Cammy and hate her. Besides, that other version with Claw giving her the mask so she won't damage her face after seeing Cammy's cheek scar, where did that one even come from, originally ? It wasn't in SFZ3, was it ? In addition, with the cloning pods, they have a backup plan in case they want to bring back the other Dolls : they were cloned ! Ayano even points out that the other Dolls are seen in more cloning pods in Decapre's artwork, pointing out it's the same kind of pod as the one Decapre is in in her opening cinematic. So that's pretty much a done deal, at the very least they're still going to be there in Decapre's story. And finally, I guess that also gives a bit more legitimacy to Decapre re-using the Killer Bee Assault (renamed DCM) and possibly taking that mantle/name for herself, she'll become a legit character in the franchise like Gouki and then Gouken in their time. ... Buuuut it really doesn't explain why the hell she's suddenly Russian.
re-reading the tiamat guide it's all guesses.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Decapre (Decabree?) is Russian, and is the last doll, the doll of December. She's also the most intriguing, because she looks exactly like Cammy. Except she has a black mask, so you can't see her face. She also seems to have darker skin tone and hair color than Cammy, at least in the game (though the official art doesn't seem to indicate it). What's up with that? Who knows? There's absolutely no info on her other than her name. Perhaps the mask has something to do with Vega, who obviously paid attention to Cammy and probably the other dolls since Balrog and Bison are so damn UGLY. Vega's mask is white while Decapre's is black. Decapre may be a clone of Cammy, but I find this doubtful. I mean, even Capcom wouldn't be so silly as to make a doll a clone of a clone, would they? Then again... at any rate, there's also the fact that Decapre is Russian while Cammy's birthplace is "???" but as shown by Noembelu and perhaps Santamu, the doll's name doesn't necessarily completely correspond to where they originally came from, but it comes close at least. My GUESS is that when Vega saw Cammy get that scar on her beautiful face, he decided to give Decapre a mask so that Decapre herself would never have her face scarred. If Vega himself was the one that gave Cammy her scar (most likely by accident. See Cammy's bio), then he probably would give Decapre the mask out of feeling guilty for scarring something beautiful. That's ALL completely a guess, though, with absolutely no basis to it whatsoever. Another theory with no basis whatsoever that's popular is that she's related to Gill's organization (of SF3) somehow.
A Japanese fanartist who apparently also has access to a lot of official sources (the guy did a fanart of Gouken's daughter, apparently, for crying out loud) drew Decapre with a pair of claws, so maybe those are her weapons (which would go along with the whole Vega parallel, of course), but I still dunno for sure if it's really supposed to be like that. Wouldn't be surprised at all, though. Note that the fanart had her armed with a pair of claws instead of the single long claw that Vega uses.
The official bios for each of the dolls besides Juli and Juni (and Cammy) only lists what language their name is in, really.
The 12 dolls can't live without Bison because their bodies, souls, and minds were so corrupted by Bison's brainwashing that without M. Bison, they would collapse. They were *fixed* with the Psycho drive by Cammy because the Psycho drive sent in the remaining Psycho power into the 12 dolls so they could at least survive for the time being. So in that sense, if all 12 dolls survived after SFA3 (which they probably did), they too have partial abilities of Pyscho Power. And they're probably still around somewhere out there in the world too since they don't need M. Bison to live anymore ever since Cammy helped them.
Did Bison use the dolls for *ahem* other things besides assassins? He calls them his 'beautiful dolls', but he might just be referring to them as such because they really are supposed to be beautiful. The Dolls have shown that they aren't complete femmebots that listen to EVERY order necessarily. Juli and Juni in their storylines turn against Bison not because they are becoming independent, but because their survival instincts kicked in and they'd prefer living to dying even if Bison commanded it, and this might apply to *ahem* other types of commands, as well. I personally doubt that Bison used the Dolls for anything besides assassination since I'm pretty sure that if he cared to use them for 'other' things, he wouldn't... erm, decide to throw them away so quickly I imagine. Besides, twelve girls to one man? I don't think Bison has THAT much... erm... endurance.
The Pocket-Zero game you could play if you had a Pocket Station and SFZero 3 had some fun things like a sleeping animation for your character while in sleep mode. Some of them are pretty funny, like Cody sleeping in a trash can. Juni, however, gets to sleep in a box. I didn't get to find out where Juli or Cammy sleeps, though I wouldn't be surprised if at least for Juli, it were the same thing. ...Bison apparently didn't treat his dolls very well.
No clue how Bison managed to coincidentally get thirteen (fourteen if you subscribe to the belief that Sakura was to be one of the Dolls) girls that had the spirit/drive/fighting-skill/whatever-he-used-as-doll-criteria that all just happened to be the same age.
There's a reasonable chance that the Dolls (including SFA3 Cammy) were inspired by the two novel series, "Cammy History", by Yuka Minakawa. However, because this is just an inspiration and not a direct port (unlike Karin Kanzuki, who was taken directly from the manga she first appeared in), this can't be proven, and Capcom has made no official statements (again, unlike Karin). The book itself was made after Super Street Fighter 2 but long before SFA3 (and even X-Men vs Street Fighter where Shadaloo Cammy made her debut to the gaming scene) and had the concept of Cammy being one among a number of Shadaloo girls, as well as a character named Anne who looks very similar to Juni and had a partner named Bess (probably Juli) in her past when she was one of the Shadaloo girls. Anne also utilized a Vega-ish mask which might have been the inspiration for Decapre (her mask was white, unlike Decapre's, though). Again, there is no proof or official statements that this is the case, though it's plausible. Even if it is the case, obviously Capcom changed a significant amount of things from the novel series (Cammy herself is very different from the rest of the dolls, for example, unlike the novel) and the series itself shouldn't be taken for canon at all.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 21, 2014, 01:54:56 am
Failed Cammy prototype just seems really dumb/silly to me. I dunno, I just really dislike it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 21, 2014, 01:57:42 am
One thing I'm missing with the clone deal is that, If Decapre is Cammy's clone and not the other way around, then obviously Cammy came first, but yet Decapre is the one who fits with the whole "12 Dolls with the name of a month in a different language" deal. If Cammy was first, why did she become Killer Bee before the Dolls got the full year set, only for her subsequent clone to fill that spot ? Yeah, it doesn't quite work out completely. Apparently Udon got that right if Decapre was a failed prototype and Cammy came after, it made more sense, dunno why they switched just that. Plus it would give Decapre some reason to hate Cammy if she's jealous of her being successful while she herself was the failed prototype (daddy loves the younger sister more because the older sister is just a failure). Decapre being the clone and hating the original is a bit odd, if Cammy didn't do anything to her (wanting to take the original's place would be even worse).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 21, 2014, 02:09:40 am
her mask origin being Claw to protect her face is conjecture based on Claw ending in Sf alpha 3. Its one of those things where fans start harping on about it being the official reason and then people get confused. There were ridiculous stuff like discussion of Bison having sex with the dolls ending up in the guides that everyone claimed were the official storyline.
In the sfz3 storyline Claw is involved in Cammy ending up in the hands of interpol, and leaves her with his mask.
Decapre was already designed at that time and had a full black mask. The dolls were kidnapped girls that Bison then worked on, with cammy being an exception, being the perfect "vessel" for the psycho force.
Storyline wise it makes sense that both she and decapre were created with that in mind ( Decapre is even sending out psycho force in a ultra) and that Decapre is somewhat a failed construct. The original plot had some leeway where you could suppose Decapre was the original russian girl( decapre is a russian name ) on which cammy was based, but her scars and powers show that they were likely both done with the same purpose, and Decapre was fitted with a mask because of her facial damage. Bison probably did both at the same time, in the trailer they show Decapre thinking back to herself as a child.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 21, 2014, 02:51:26 am
One thing I'm missing with the clone deal is that, If Decapre is Cammy's clone and not the other way around, then obviously Cammy came first, but yet Decapre is the one who fits with the whole "12 Dolls with the name of a month in a different language" deal. If Cammy was first, why did she become Killer Bee before the Dolls got the full year set, only for her subsequent clone to fill that spot ? Yeah, it doesn't quite work out completely.
Keep in mind that their story wasn't quite fleshed out in SFZ3 and they only went for some references/fanservice (Cammy is Rider 1, the dolls are the Shocker Riders, Cammy, Juni and Juli even have some of the Showa rider poses) (http://kedah2u.com.my/kamen-rider/01-masked-rider-ichigo/shocker-riders.jpg)
I assume the reason why she hates Cammy is either the brainwashing or well, whatever misunderstanding we'll find out through her arcade mode cutscenes we can't really base this current incarnation on previous games (Or even the comics, they might switch around some stuff). Also, Kao Megura's guide has tons of speculations with no real source so it might as well be a fanfic.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on March 21, 2014, 05:02:32 am
I missed the shit-kaboom hype train? aww...
But I can't be the only one getting a Painwheel/Carol kind of vibe from Decapre, can I? I am? oh...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 21, 2014, 05:09:07 am
Also, Kao Megura's guide has tons of speculations with no real source so it might as well be a fanfic.
rumours are/were properly marked as such so it's a useful as possible, at least before everything got retconned, anyway. I did not know that kao megura/chrsi mcdonald was tiamat too.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 21, 2014, 05:32:26 am
Also, Kao Megura's guide has tons of speculations with no real source so it might as well be a fanfic.
rumours are/were properly marked as such so it's a useful as possible, at least before everything got retconned, anyway. I did not know that kao megura/chrsi mcdonald was tiamat too.
ok then, what was retconned
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 21, 2014, 05:33:14 am
continuity betwen games, now each gmae is a separate universe.
Oh, we have had this conversation before so I guess we shoudl stop, let's agree that I feel about sf 4 the same way valis fans feel about valisX, it's the official canon and I am wrong at not accepting it just because it changed hands, so let's just leave it there, you are right I am wrong.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Teitan on March 21, 2014, 07:45:50 am
yes decapre being prototype makes to me more sense as well(and why she likes dogs and hate cats overall)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lichtbringer on March 22, 2014, 10:26:50 am
I assume the reason why she hates Cammy is either the brainwashing or well, whatever misunderstanding we'll find out through her arcade mode cutscenes we can't really base this current incarnation on previous games (Or even the comics, they might switch around some stuff). Also, Kao Megura's guide has tons of speculations with no real source so it might as well be a fanfic.
It's probably something like Decapre thinks that Cammy has "stolen" her life, and she have to remove Cammy to get here life back, Clone/Doppelganger/Evil Twin storys often use the "You live the life I deserve" kind of story.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: prof. mugen on March 22, 2014, 11:46:47 am
I assume the reason why she hates Cammy is either the brainwashing or well, whatever misunderstanding we'll find out through her arcade mode cutscenes we can't really base this current incarnation on previous games (Or even the comics, they might switch around some stuff). Also, Kao Megura's guide has tons of speculations with no real source so it might as well be a fanfic.
It's probably something like Decapre thinks that Cammy has "stolen" her life, and she have to remove Cammy to get here life back, Clone/Doppelganger/Evil Twin storys often use the "You live the life I deserve" kind of story.
Is this story something like Sora and Roxas from KH? Cammy is a good person until she got brainwashed and gets also sisters and look a like (Decapre) But she's being saved by Dhalsim and in SFIV she's going to save her sisters back from the Shadowloo and S.I.N. It's a confused story right here, folks.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Zetsuməi on March 22, 2014, 05:52:04 pm
Was I the only one who thought originally when they announced there would be a 5th character that it would be Ingrid? She just seems so distant but so fitting for the game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 22, 2014, 05:56:22 pm
a quick search for "ingrid" in this thread says "no"
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 22, 2014, 06:02:54 pm
It's serious someone likes Ingrid? '-' [Nothing against who likes her] For me, she is filler[Very useful in Crossovers, BUT ONLY] '-'
Her SFZ3 appearance make this version of game storyboard very childish[She are the original master of Psycho Power... BUT... LOL?!]
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Zetsuməi on March 22, 2014, 06:31:20 pm
I mean she was interesting. She's apparently some kind of goddess and her moves were pretty interesting..
And there might be people here now who weren't present in the other 148 pages, Titiln.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 22, 2014, 06:46:03 pm
theres literally a thing that says "Search this topic only" on top of every page of the thread. dont even try to give me that smug bullshit
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Zetsuməi on March 22, 2014, 06:51:39 pm
I wasn't, I was just saying some people might be here that weren't before o.O
Do you just have a bad temper or something, cause all I ever see from you is snappy remarks.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 22, 2014, 07:08:16 pm
Good thing she's not in. She was irritating as fuk..............
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 22, 2014, 07:12:36 pm
I wasn't, I was just saying some people might be here that weren't before o.O
Do you just have a bad temper or something, cause all I ever see from you is snappy remarks.
its not bad temper, its pointing out a dumb thing you said.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Zetsuməi on March 22, 2014, 07:19:21 pm
The way he says everything is in the same nasty tone.
Anyway, I don't think you guys are getting what I meant. I'm saying people who weren't here in the other pages might be here now and have thought it, meaning they couldn't have posted anything ABOUT Ingrid because they're here recently.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 22, 2014, 07:21:44 pm
he's not really nasty , just dry; you shoul try shindio or maybe byakko if you want nasty.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 22, 2014, 07:22:10 pm
....... Aaaaaand not being here before forbids them from using the search function ? Maybe you're not understanding the way the search function works ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 22, 2014, 07:24:14 pm
the problem is that you worded it really badly. "am i the only one that-" no, you're not. there's a really good chance you're not the only person that thought of a thing, that's always a bad question which i already answered through a simple search. if you just wanted to talk about ingrid being in the game you should've just said "It would've been cool if Ingrid was in this game, what do you guys think".
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 22, 2014, 07:30:04 pm
I mean she was interesting. She's apparently some kind of goddess and her moves were pretty interesting..
Backing in the topic theme... Her powers are more sense in Crossovers incarnations.
I know it's unecessary to compare but, Beximus showed exactly WHY Ingrid are not so useless in Vs. Style Crossovers. Her powers functions better in that habitat style.
Not in shame games like in Capcom Fighting Jam or unecessary adaptations like in .... ZERO 3.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Zetsuməi on March 22, 2014, 07:37:19 pm
Well sorry for that whole spell up there </3
But on the topic of her I just think she'd be interesting due to her removal from 2 games and the fact that she has a semi-unique design. She's got that odd blue going on and her whole light-based attacks just seem like they'd prove to be interesting o:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 22, 2014, 07:39:15 pm
maybe for the next version of the game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 22, 2014, 07:42:43 pm
Maximilianjenus: I hope you're joking HEHE
Definitly the Ingrid home is NOT in Street Fighter. Because Ingrid are a "universal deity" in Capcom Multiverse, she's work better I said in Vs Séries or ... Darkstalkers or Warzard another game exploring more mystical beings.
Ingrid acts and powers looks more like ROSE in childish ways.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Fisher King on March 22, 2014, 08:16:25 pm
I like Ingrid technique and fighting style. What I don´t like is how silly her story is. "Let´s name this girl a space entity just like Pyron because yes" I don´t get it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 22, 2014, 08:31:35 pm
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And that's why I give to my Pyron project a level 3 based on Lvl 3 Beximus Ingrid...
.. Because sun powers fit more with Pyron than Ingrid :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on March 22, 2014, 08:32:43 pm
They'll grab Lili from SFXT, headswap her and BAM! Ingrid is done. You can even reuse Lili's animations, they fit Ingrid very well.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 22, 2014, 08:36:41 pm
capcom is nto a company that does headswaps.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Darkflare on March 22, 2014, 08:37:59 pm
Ingrid is a troll. She has a ridiculous power and she's well aware of it. Probably even made up that Psycho power thing just to troll Bison.
Stupid SFA3 story aside, I do want her to come back.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on March 22, 2014, 08:45:43 pm
....... Aaaaaand not being here before forbids them from using the search function ? Maybe you're not understanding the way the search function works ?
This forum's main search is terrible. It only brings back one post per thread instead of finding all the posts from a thread, and if you sort by date it sorts the results by thread age instead of by posts.
And hell I was admin of this forum and forgot about the "search by this topic only" until today.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Zetsuməi on March 22, 2014, 09:32:00 pm
This forum's main search is terrible. It only brings back one post per thread instead of finding all the posts from a thread, and if you sort by date it sorts the results by thread age instead of by posts.
That's not right. I just did this : in this topic, click the "search this topic only", type Ingrid, check "show results as messages", and I got a long list of the posts in this topic that mention Ingrid as possible character. i could quote them or screensot it but it sucks to do that on a tablet.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on March 22, 2014, 11:33:58 pm
Please re-read what I said, and then read what I said after the part you quoted.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 22, 2014, 11:52:55 pm
But ... That doesn't mean it's not working. Person A : Has anyone said [question] before ? Person B : there's a "search this topic" function you can use Person A : but what if I wasn't here before and only started reading this topic ? (<= I suggest rereading the guy's post if you thought he was saying anything other than that) Person C : I forgot it was here Neither of these two responses are appropriate when someone has already given you the answer and decribed what you have to do. Even if you weren't here before, and even if you forgot it was there, it's still available, and now that you know it's there and it works, you still have time to use it. I understand that you have a good reason to not have used it in the past, but now that you remember, it's not too late.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on March 22, 2014, 11:59:38 pm
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 23, 2014, 12:02:45 am
Oh , okay, I thought you were commenting on the things we were actually talking about.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on March 23, 2014, 12:06:45 am
Well that's what the part that you didn't quote was about, as in "I don't blame a guy for not seeing it, there's a million fuckin things on the page whenever you go to post"
Did you know there's a button to clear your cookies at the bottom of the page?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 23, 2014, 12:42:04 am
"I don't blame a guy for not seeing it, there's a million fuckin things on the page whenever you go to post"
But Titiln and I weren't blaming him for that either... Both the posts you quoted of him and me came after he responded "well sometimes, some people come in without reading all 150+ pages before !", this is what we were blaming him for : it's not an appropriate response when someone points out an easy way to find your answer. And Titiln wasn't even harsh the first time he answered.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 23, 2014, 12:43:50 am
Ingrid is a troll. She has a ridiculous power and she's well aware of it. Probably even made up that Psycho power thing just to troll Bison.
Stupid SFA3 story aside, I do want her to come back.
I'm mainly on board with this. Ingrid is one of my favorite SF characters BECAUSE of her mysterious and absolutely in-control she is.
Her SFA3 story IS stupid...but it's something satisfying to utterly troll Rose AND Bison and make them seem so damn insignificant at the same time. Basically, I LOVE the fact she's a Goddess because it makes the SF universe actually have SOME insane level basis for the powers they have(Psycho Power basically using your soul to attack people? BEING AKUMA?).
I know she is pretty much hated to plenty, but dammit, I want to see her back because SFxTK made her relevant in a way that's not exactly Mary Sue, but shows she definitely has the talent to be a massive troll.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on March 23, 2014, 01:18:49 am
looks at Ryu and Ken looks at Gouken and Oni looks at Yun and Yang
"Kay"
It was sarcasm. Also, you forgot Dan, Evil Ryu, Akuma and Sean.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 23, 2014, 02:14:30 am
Dan's model is too different in SF4, Dan has different normals and stance in CvS. If you're talking about SFA, then plenty of companies did that back in the day, even SNK(P) does it nowadays, just look at KOFXIII.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on March 23, 2014, 03:03:30 am
From what I understand they both have the same base model. Sans accessories and head. I mean I could check for myself right now but I don't really care that much...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on March 23, 2014, 05:07:19 pm
Yes, both models have two legs and two arms. Beyond that... I don't know.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 23, 2014, 05:13:19 pm
One thing they sometime reuse is the face sculpt. IINM, Seth-Ogre, Dictator-Rolento, aren't they very similar ? But that's not surprising, and that certaily doesn't qualify as lazy.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 23, 2014, 05:20:12 pm
Gouken and Oni do have some similarities (it's not uncommon for characters to share the same model topology), but they obviously aren't headswaps.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on March 23, 2014, 05:31:17 pm
I'm more suprised Seth wasn't placed as Ogre Rival insted of Akuma, I mean they both uses moves from other characters , both are really tall , and steals Data/fighting ablilties from other fighters and seek powerfull fighters in general , also have other clones that looks like them
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 23, 2014, 06:39:49 pm
I don't remember Ogre having clones ??
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on March 23, 2014, 06:47:20 pm
nah, he just ripped off moves from a lot of characters (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlvkkdgl4uU)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Markpachi on March 23, 2014, 07:06:02 pm
Wasn't there Ogre clones in the Devil Within T5 mini-game?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 23, 2014, 07:22:10 pm
Ogre is an ancient alien so I was pretty sure the others in his ending(s) were simply other people from his race, not clones. But yeah, there's a clone in the Devil Within game from Tekken 5.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Zetsuməi on March 23, 2014, 07:23:11 pm
I was pretty sad they didn't put True Ogre into SFxT. I don't know why but I would have liked to seen him.
Anyway back on topic..
Where do you guys feel Decapre is going to land on a tier list of sorts?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Erroratu on March 23, 2014, 07:28:34 pm
Decapre has her own tier
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 23, 2014, 07:30:39 pm
How could you possibly expect an answer knowing that everyone is getting rebalanced for this update ? And they're all getting balanced to reduce the gap in tier lists. She seems strong right now, but it looks like she's nowhere near ready at all (there's been yet another announcement that she's still getting more changes, like the beep in her teleport is removed). Even if people began saying "she'll be A-tier" or whatever, she can still get downgraded and other characters are getting upgraded. The only things we know for sure about her right now is that she's mix-up heavy and she's a charge character. That's not much to place on a tier list.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 23, 2014, 07:37:10 pm
she'll be mid tier, like every other character. usf4 will achieve perfect balance among all characters. truly unprecedented. congratulations ono
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on March 23, 2014, 07:59:22 pm
she'll have SF4 and Ver 2012 versions for no reason as well which puts her on both ends of the spectrum
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on March 23, 2014, 08:01:04 pm
they should definitely include the usf4 beta version of her with those crazy c. hp > ultra 2 shenanigans and all that other really powerful shit
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on March 23, 2014, 08:12:36 pm
I for one approve of Ultra Broken Fighter IV.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 23, 2014, 08:21:41 pm
oh you, so random, lol
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Trinitronity on March 23, 2014, 09:30:49 pm
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 29, 2014, 12:39:03 am
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/why-decapre-is-ultra-street-fighter-4-s-next-world-warrior/1100-6418599/ Decapre was selected as the 5th character for *drumroll* the story. It looks like Combofiend is saying that the three different possible angles for the DCM to attack are removed. She seems to have moved from 60-something% completion to 80% since the reveal build... ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on March 29, 2014, 12:56:47 am
If you're lazy like me:
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According to the game's assistant producer, Tomoyaki Ayano, Decapre's status as a Doll was one of the main reasons why she was chosen as the fifth character--to help fix a missing link in the game's roster. "The Street Fighter IV series is basically a compilation of popular characters from the franchise. However, it doesn't speak much about The Dolls, which fan favorites such as Juli and Juni also belong to. We selected the final character from The Dolls so we can further explore the Street Fighter IV universe. We believe that Decapre helps us to understand the aspect of her causal link with Cammy and Shadaloo."
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 29, 2014, 01:09:44 am
glad you made it bold
and glad those fucks admitted it, tho, "popular to whom" would be the question
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on March 29, 2014, 01:18:01 am
"FUCK TIMELINE, FUCK STORYLINE. LET'S GIVE THE CONSUMERS WHAT THEY WANT AND BE DONE WITH IT"
- Capcom, 2008~2014
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on March 29, 2014, 04:01:10 am
How many times do people have to be reminded Karin is copyrighted........................
Well, Karin appeared in Namco X Capcom, Capcom Fighting Jam and in some Cameos ... So .... Even copyrighted by NAKAHIKA, probably he will gave permission to Capcom put this character in any 'fighting' game.
Who will gains money for this, alongside with Capcom is Nakahika himself. Posted: March 29, 2014, 05:27:06 am
So, Retsu is private? Forget this 'mugen-related' bad joke...
I'm mispelled in my post above... Karin appeared in CFJ, Namco X Capcom.. I don't remember see her in any cameos.... Except in SF3: Ryu Final.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on March 29, 2014, 06:15:56 am
people believe there is some copyright issue with karin because, despite being relatively popular and despite being in several games outside sfa3 such as namco x capcom and a bunch of snk card games, she's been completely absent from recent games, including sf4, sf x tekken, umvc3 (the card stuff) and that street fighter x all capcom phone game. the last two are noteworthy because putting her in those things only required someone to draw a piece of artwork. this means that either there's some copyright issue they don't feel like sorting out, or that they're not putting her in those games so she can return in sf5 and people get hyped, or that they don't give a shit about her and aren't going to use her anymore even though they can
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 29, 2014, 06:22:31 am
Basically or Karin is useless for Capcom actually or Capcom have plans for her in some future...
Yeh, I can't believe much in the second possibility.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 29, 2014, 08:29:57 am
How many times do people have to be reminded Karin is copyrighted........................
I don't think that's AS huge of an issue as it's more like Strider Hiryu's case where the manga creator IS willing, but they have to go and mainly ask him. I think Capcom is mainly being lazy as shit with Karin as a choice.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 29, 2014, 01:56:40 pm
I think the salt of hype-killer Decapre make people forget that Juni and Juli were pretty terrible. They were headswaps of Cammy with a couple less moves and one unique move for themselves, the only reason people remember them is because of the Dramatic Battle mode that pumped them up to eleven. Also Juli's massive boobs. Decapre is tons better than them with this moveset. Decapre is Cammy with a mask, Juni is Cammy with a haircut, Juli is Cammy with boobs. No way they'd have been any better, at least Decapre continues the story and has a brand new moveset. ... On the other, hand, if it had been them, Capcom wouldn't have made the stupid hype generator "she's never been playable in a game before" that caused this mess and it would have worked out better... Except without that line, it would definitely have been legitimate to expect Alex/Haggar/Mika/Karin and it might have been even worse.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 29, 2014, 03:33:05 pm
I think Capcom is mainly being lazy as shit with Karin as a choice.
Not a fair presumption to make, since it could be Nakahira making things difficult for Capcom and/or doesn't want Karin to be in anything anymore. If so, it not as if Capcom can just throw money at him and even if they did, who knows if it would work.
Just a theory, but I find it hard to believe that Capcom (even with some of their recent mishandlings) really thought that not including Karin was a good idea for SFxT since it played perfectly into the Lili/Asuka dynamic (not to mention they would've been able to recycle the Sakura model, modify it a bit, and give it new animations).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 29, 2014, 03:58:59 pm
Well, Karin appeared in Namco X Capcom, Capcom Fighting Jam and in some Cameos ... So .... Even copyrighted by NAKAHIKA, probably he will gave permission to Capcom put this character in any 'fighting' game.
Who will gains money for this, alongside with Capcom is Nakahika himself. .
That's cool and all but his name is Nakahira.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on March 29, 2014, 08:26:10 pm
Is there actual an official statement saying.....oh God we're talking about Karin again.
AHEM
Is there an official statement saying "Karin is an original character do not steal, Capcom" or is this something the fans came up with?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 29, 2014, 08:34:49 pm
something fans come up with but keeps getting repeated. theres nothing going "Karin has copyright problems" from official sources.
Its like how people keep following tiamat and kao megura plot guides as if they were canon so Guy is dead because he was last seen with rose on her ending and then never again on final fight.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 29, 2014, 08:44:31 pm
I think Capcom is mainly being lazy as shit with Karin as a choice.
Not a fair presumption to make, since it could be Nakahira making things difficult for Capcom and/or doesn't want Karin to be in anything anymore. If so, it not as if Capcom can just throw money at him and even if they did, who knows if it would work.
Just a theory, but I find it hard to believe that Capcom (even with some of their recent mishandlings) really thought that not including Karin was a good idea for SFxT since it played perfectly into the Lili/Asuka dynamic (not to mention they would've been able to recycle the Sakura model, modify it a bit, and give it new animations).
It could be, but until either ones actually make the info more known, I'm gonna side with Capcom being lazy considering how easy it was to use Strider Hiryu again for UMvC3.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 29, 2014, 08:45:36 pm
It was easy ? Do you work at Capcom to have this kind of insider information ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 29, 2014, 10:29:20 pm
something fans come up with but keeps getting repeated. theres nothing going "Karin has copyright problems" from official sources.
Yes there was! Ono said it on a stream. (http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2012/mar/02/info-street-fighter-x-tekkens-12-new-characters-coming-april-karins-copyright-issues-and-much-more/)
The fact that she didn't show up in either the SFxCapcom nor UMVC3 (especially the later, which just reused old artwork IIRC) definitely seems to point that there's something going on. But as was discussed earlier, she never had a copyright thingy like Strider did, so maybe something changed since NxC or whatever she was in last???
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on March 29, 2014, 10:37:45 pm
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on March 29, 2014, 10:40:55 pm
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• One of the main reasons they have trouble getting Karin in the game is because her copyright belongs to a Manga artist. It doesn't mean they can't put her in, it just becomes really difficult contractually. He hints that if Harada does something *wink* *wink*, she might be in TxSF. Ono assures that he is not trolling with these statements, but they are true.
eh dont trust this, it sounds like it could be easy to mistranslate and theres no reason why it would be easier to put her in teken x street fighter than street fighter 4.
Also wtf is with this sentence
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Ono assures that he is not trolling with these statements, but they are true
Ono never admits to "trolling" thats fans being all angry at him why would he say "im not trolling BUT its true" , what would the but even be doing there? He usually isnt trolling but its a lie?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 29, 2014, 10:43:58 pm
It's Eventhubs, ignore what they say and just watch the video. :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on March 29, 2014, 10:45:25 pm
the earlier posts about capcom not giving consumers what they want vex me. the consumers usf4 are catering to are getting exactly what they want. a much needed balance update with 5 new characters if you somehow havent developed any main loyalty in the several fucking years sf4 has been a thing. theyve added new game features and everything. the kind of consumers who only care that a new character they wanted gets in probably arent that interested in a balance update which is the the crux of what usf4 is. sf5 is what those people should be waiting for. usf4 is not their product nor should it be targeted to them.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nexelous on March 29, 2014, 10:47:34 pm
It's odd I'll say a few things about the revealed character Decapre (That Doll that looks like Cammy but has burnt marks in her faces.) I'll admit I didn't expect her to appear, but she looks pretty awesome. Out of all the dolls, They chose the one with the mask! At first, She was just a support character for Juli and Juni along with the other Dolls in Street Fighter Alpha 3. Now that she's the 5th character, We'll get to know more about her.
Even though she's kinda of a Clone of Cammy by the looks and hair, I hope they can do something about her moveset to make it Similar but not shared with.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinZankuro on March 29, 2014, 11:18:48 pm
Well, if Karin will appear in ANY[I mean: ANY] Capcom game, only time will say to us.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Majiel on March 30, 2014, 04:52:50 am
I only recently got a ps3 so usfiv will be the first sfiv game I get. I don't really hate Decapre's character design, she did have one of the more interesting stories out of any of the nonplayable dolls. I do like they removed the claw in favor of knives; kinda reminds me of kiros from ff8. The comparison of Karin vs Strider royalty payments is somewhat skewed. Strider has a shared copyright so him having several cameos and another standalone game probably cost less in royalties and is a much more profitable venture for Capcom than paying full royalty payments to use Karin in one game that is five years old...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 30, 2014, 04:58:31 am
According to the game's assistant producer, Tomoyaki Ayano, Decapre's status as a Doll was one of the main reasons why she was chosen as the fifth character--to help fix a missing link in the game's roster. "The Street Fighter IV series is basically a compilation of popular characters from the franchise. However, it doesn't speak much about The Dolls, which fan favorites such as Juli and Juni also belong to. We selected the final character from The Dolls so we can further explore the Street Fighter IV universe. We believe that Decapre helps us to understand the aspect of her causal link with Cammy and Shadaloo."
if that holds true, expect novembe for the next version of sf4 as she is closely tied to thwak.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 30, 2014, 05:40:01 am
It was easy ? Do you work at Capcom to have this kind of insider information ?
Can you not act like a wannabe-smartass and realize my answer actually kept in both interpretations in order?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on March 30, 2014, 05:52:32 am
He didn't. All he did was question your assumption that it was all that simple to get Strider in UMVC3. How was it easy? If anything, you have to answer him better than that.
If you're gonna go on some "WHY DON'T WE HAVE KARIN" crusade again, at least try to put out valid examples to relate to.
EDIT: In fact, don't, because you're sounding like a broken record.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 30, 2014, 01:38:21 pm
Can you not act like a wannabe-smartass and realize my answer actually kept in both interpretations in order?
I take offense to that, I'm a professional smartass, and I have genuinely no idea how you justify claiming that adding Strider was "easy". If you're just judging how "easy" it was because he was eventually added, then I'll use the same reasoning and judge that it's extremely hard to get Karin because we haven't seen her anywhere in years. So what's you're justification to say that adding Strider was "easy" ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 30, 2014, 08:52:09 pm
He didn't. All he did was question your assumption that it was all that simple to get Strider in UMVC3. How was it easy? If anything, you have to answer him better than that.
If you're gonna go on some "WHY DON'T WE HAVE KARIN" crusade again, at least try to put out valid examples to relate to.
EDIT: In fact, don't, because you're sounding like a broken record.
How I sound like a broken record compared to you? What Karin crusade I ever went through to begin with? Hush up if you don't even know what I was talking about.
Can you not act like a wannabe-smartass and realize my answer actually kept in both interpretations in order?
I take offense to that, I'm a professional smartass, and I have genuinely no idea how you justify claiming that adding Strider was "easy". If you're just judging how "easy" it was because he was eventually added, then I'll use the same reasoning and judge that it's extremely hard to get Karin because we haven't seen her anywhere in years. So what's you're justification to say that adding Strider was "easy" ?
The fact that he was added in without much issue from MvC3 to UMvC3 while Karin is still a huge unknown for many years despite being a fan fav(and a big one at that).
Pretty simple observation considering that even Capcom shouldn't have much issues noticing something as simple as that.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 30, 2014, 09:01:47 pm
Again, we have absolutely no knowledge of how difficult or how easy it was to add Strider to UMvC3. We only know that they were able to do it in the end.
Assuming that it's a piece of cake to sort through all the legal issues is absurd.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on March 30, 2014, 09:11:21 pm
There's barely any porn of Karin or R. Mika. That means they're not popular at all so I'm not surprised at them never coming back :))
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on March 30, 2014, 09:13:15 pm
I think Capcom just doesn't care about Karin and, frankly, they shouldn't. She is bland as hell. Now if they want to add a character for some fan service, they should have included Urien. He's a pretty marketable character (maybe they can work in a deal with a suit company) and he is Mexican so there is the factor of 'international appeal' as well. Capcom would be sending in their second shipments the very day the game went on sale.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on March 30, 2014, 09:18:08 pm
More importantly, he's scantily clad and is hard built like a rock.
Oh, Aegis reflector... that too.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 30, 2014, 09:30:30 pm
i get it's supposed to be a joke but urien ain't mexican
nigga greek or something, or egyptian if you're going by stages (2impact) whatever
The fact that he was added in without much issue from MvC3 to UMvC3 while Karin is still a huge unknown for many years despite being a fan fav(and a big one at that).
...... I was only joking when I asked if you based your observation on the only "yes or no" question of Strider being in UMvC3 to conclude "it must have been very easy" but wow, that's exactly what you're doing. Thus, I submit to you my own conclusion with the exact same logic : judging from how Karin has in fact not been added to anything in years despite loud demands, I conclude that it is extremely hard, if not entirely impossible, to get the rights issue sorted out. You can't prove me wrong since you're using the same logic to judge that adding Strider was "easy", and you are now forced to admit that Capcom will never ever be able to add her again, and this has absolutely nothing to do with laziness. Hence I shall hear nothing of the sort again from you, thank you for your time.
P.S. next time you want to call me a wannabe-smartass, do reconsider.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on March 30, 2014, 09:49:12 pm
There's barely any porn of Karin or R. Mika. That means they're not popular at all so I'm not surprised at them never coming back :))
No, there's actually a lot of Mika porn.
Please. Like... only 3 pics are good quality porn, the rest is crap. She has less than Rose! >:C
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on March 30, 2014, 10:52:38 pm
If we're going by stages here Urien's stage in 3rd Strike is Mexico. He is probably Mexican. His brother Gill has an earth flag, so we can assume that Gill from everywhere.
What's next though, are you guys going to try and tell me that Bison is not Thai?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on March 30, 2014, 10:53:35 pm
Gill is love. Gill is life.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on March 30, 2014, 10:55:56 pm
If we're going by stages here Urien's stage in 3rd Strike is Mexico. He is probably Mexican. His brother Gill has an earth flag, so we can assume that Gill from everywhere.
What's next though, are you guys going to try and tell me that Bison is not Thai?
SF3: 2nd Impact had Urien's stage setted in Egypt.
http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Egypt
My bet is that he's from a "mystical" islanda called Posidonia. It fits very well with both Gill's and Urien's background story (perfect people both phisical and psychical)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 30, 2014, 11:00:57 pm
Again, we have absolutely no knowledge of how difficult or how easy it was to add Strider to UMvC3. We only know that they were able to do it in the end.
Assuming that it's a piece of cake to sort through all the legal issues is absurd.
And I don't think it's that hard compared to the craziness of trying to make Tatsunoko vs. Capcom happen in the States...which they did...
The fact that he was added in without much issue from MvC3 to UMvC3 while Karin is still a huge unknown for many years despite being a fan fav(and a big one at that).
...... I was only joking when I asked if you based your observation on the only "yes or no" question of Strider being in UMvC3 to conclude "it must have been very easy" but wow, that's exactly what you're doing. Thus, I submit to you my own conclusion with the exact same logic : judging from how Karin has in fact not been added to anything in years despite loud demands, I conclude that it is extremely hard, if not entirely impossible, to get the rights issue sorted out. You can't prove me wrong since you're using the same logic to judge that adding Strider was "easy", and you are now forced to admit that Capcom will never ever be able to add her again, and this has absolutely nothing to do with laziness. Hence I shall hear nothing of the sort again from you, thank you for your time.
P.S. next time you want to call me a wannabe-smartass, do reconsider.
*snores* *wakes up*
Oh, you was trying to be witty... That logic doesn't really pan out because considering how Capcom was able to toss around crazy hoops before(the above mentioned bringing TvC to the States), unless the author is being an absolute pain in the ass(which would atleast be documented), I don't think it's beyond their power to bring back Karin again.
And no, you are pretty much reaching the opposite of smartass atm, so I won't call you a wannabe at this point.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on March 30, 2014, 11:26:31 pm
Again, you're speculating based on pretty much nothing.
There's a pretty huge, fundamental difference between Capcom (with Tatsunoko working with them) sorting through the legal difficulties to bring an already existing game over to the US, and Capcom spending some of their rapidly dwindling cash to not only disentangle Karin's legal issues but to make and create an entirely new model and set of animations for her. SFIV is an old game, Capcom clearly feels that making entirely new models for it is not a cost-effective strategy for them.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 30, 2014, 11:31:04 pm
Dude you're just making shit up to fit only what you want and what you think of not getting what you want. You can't force reality to be what you want it to be. Also you have no idea how copyrights work, because no, no one openly broadcasts that kind of information to the first person who asks. And you definitely have no idea of how it went to get TvC to the West.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 31, 2014, 12:22:50 am
Again, you're speculating based on pretty much nothing.
There's a pretty huge, fundamental difference between Capcom (with Tatsunoko working with them) sorting through the legal difficulties to bring an already existing game over to the US, and Capcom spending some of their rapidly dwindling cash to not only disentangle Karin's legal issues but to make and create an entirely new model and set of animations for her. SFIV is an old game, Capcom clearly feels that making entirely new models for it is not a cost-effective strategy for them.
Wow...you didn't think I thought of that last part? Considering the hole they dug themselves in, I'm pretty sure that's the obvious reason we have Decapre right now, that's why I wasn't counting that at all. Otherwise, I still doubt Karin's wrapped up in all that caution tape and difficult for them to get her out of(which I already stated unless the author is forcing an issue) compared to Tatsunoko, which is still an issue considering the mutliple studios out here that has multiple licenses to their names.
Dude you're just making shit up to fit only what you want and what you think of not getting what you want. You can't force reality to be what you want it to be. Also you have no idea how copyrights work, because no, no one openly broadcasts that kind of information to the first person who asks. And you definitely have no idea of how it went to get TvC to the West.
I'm done with you, just shut it. "Forcing Reality"? Where the fuck you pulled that out of my statements? I already stated my piece, you bitched about it, I pretty much stated after that I'm sticking with what I believed, you STILL bitched and you acting like you have a point now? I'm so fucking sorry that unless the author is being a prick, getting TvC out here which obviously means going after all the numerous rights from the characters from multiple studios, getting the okay from each and every single one of them AND having to make sure you have to pay royalties(maybe) or listen to their demands at the same damn time(kinda like the MvC situation and how they got all the character rights) should be more difficult than asking an author for his character to be in a game...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 31, 2014, 12:47:18 am
You literally said that Strider being in UMvC3 was proof enough that it must have been easy. I'm not the one making any claim here, you're just making assumptions by comparing things that can't be compared. You're only talking about "how difficult it can be to just talk to one guy", this is so ridiculous that it's enough to show you have absolutely no idea of how things go. You think everyone thinks the same, so if they could talk to everyone for TvC, then it has to be the same for this other guy and that other guy who are completely unrelated, after all they only need to listen to what they ask and throw money at them. This is just nonsense. You don't know anything about each of these guys and each of these situations, you can't possibly say "oh, they did it that one time, how hard can it be to do the same with some other guy". Hell, you definitely know nothing about legal issues, don't think it's always just a matter of throwing money and signing a paper. Stop talking and making retarded assumptions about things you don't even begin to understand.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 31, 2014, 12:58:15 am
You literally said that Strider being in UMvC3 was proof enough that it must have been easy. I'm not the one making any claim here, you're just making assumptions by comparing things that can't be compared. You're only talking about "how difficult it can be to just talk to one guy", this is so ridiculous that it's enough to show you have absolutely no idea of how things go. You think everyone thinks the same, so if they could talk to everyone for TvC, then it has to be the same for this other guy and that other guy who are completely unrelated, after all they only need to listen to what they ask and throw money at them. This is just nonsense. You don't know anything about each of these guys and each of these situations, you can't possibly say "oh, they did it that one time, how hard can it be to do the same with some other guy". Hell, you definitely know nothing about legal issues, don't think it's always just a matter of throwing money and signing a paper. Stop talking and making retarded assumptions about things you don't even begin to understand.
I so love how you ignored the 3 times I stated in the last 3 posts if the author of Karin really is making it difficult for them, but I guess you are just too thick-headed to rationalize that with me agreeing with your point to an extent.
Because unless he is that vindictive, there is very little reason he is somehow worse to get a single character than it is to get multiple rights from multiple characters in different studios. That's pretty much my entire point. People stated the same crap you did when it came to Strider, but nothing stated it was difficult to begin with, nothing was shown otherwise. So pretty much, you WAS bitching for the sake of it, whining for answers for the obvious answer that I obviously am not affiliated with Capcom in anyway and guessed. So I hope you are happy for dragging such a non-issue for no fucking reason other than to pamper your ego.
I hope it was worth it dude.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on March 31, 2014, 01:00:59 am
Wow, this is still happening. ._.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 31, 2014, 01:05:40 am
I so love how you ignored the 3 times I stated in the last 3 posts if the author of Karin really is making it difficult for them
But that's the thing, I'm not even talking about Nakahira making things difficult for Capcom. You're not "agreeing with me to an extent" by admitting that maybe it's Nakahira's fault for being an ass. I've said several times in my posts that it wasn't just about talking to someone and listening to their demands and then giving them money, yet you just keep saying "oh, maybe he's being difficult" and then you think it's enough to show that you're "open minded". But that's just entirely disregarding ACTUAL LEGAL ISSUES. The kind of things companies absolutely can't talk about in the open, because if they do they get in trouble for various reasons - contractual reasons and such. That's the kind of things we're all talking about when we're bringing up those kinds of barriers. It's not just about talking to the guy who has the rights.
It always does anytime someone mentions the name "Karin" in a Capcom topic, yes.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: c001357 on March 31, 2014, 01:23:06 am
maybe you should stop karin
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on March 31, 2014, 01:31:01 am
I'm done with this shit, not even sure why he's still bothering to whine and cry about.
And funny, I've been called a R.Mika fanboy not even past 10 pages ago, now I'm a Karin fanboy for daring state Capcom might have just not cared for Karin...
Keep your damn stuff straight please.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 31, 2014, 01:34:15 am
You're the one constantly whining about a product that's not even aimed to you. DKDC is being extremely civil in his replies, especially taking into account how you've been way too aggressive with your (wrong) "opinions".
Good to hear that you're done though.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on March 31, 2014, 01:43:35 am
You're the one constantly whining about a product that's not even aimed to you. DKDC is being extremely civil in his replies, especially taking into account how you've been way too aggressive with your (wrong) "opinions".
Good to hear that you're done though.
Shadow Dio acts as if I give a shit especially for what he says...
Laughable.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Thedge on March 31, 2014, 02:31:38 am
Please stop, I keep coming to this thread to read your nonsenses. Please.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Fisher King on March 31, 2014, 02:34:05 am
Please stop, I keep coming to this thread to read your nonsenses. Please.
yeah, I get you, I see the thread getting bumped and checkit to see if they have finally revealed who the new 5th character is gonna be and I only see people arguing instead.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Ness on March 31, 2014, 02:59:01 am
Every time I come to this thread there's drama ... I'm always hoping to hear news haha ...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on March 31, 2014, 03:04:43 am
there is no more news
the only news im holding out for is that on the 1st it turns out that decapre being the 5th man was a big ass joke and that its actually karin so yall can shut the fuck up about it
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on March 31, 2014, 03:08:48 am
5th Man? USF4: The most progressive fighting game ever?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on March 31, 2014, 03:18:32 am
Okay, how about you chill for a while? You're the one egging this on. This is a for reals moderation warning. Keep posting like this and action will be taken.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Ness on March 31, 2014, 03:19:30 am
the only news im holding out for is that on the 1st it turns out that decapre being the 5th man was a big ass joke and that its actually karin so yall can shut the fuck up about it
I've know about the fifth person, It's Bison's cat ... no but seriously i mean anything little ...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Basara Dandy on March 31, 2014, 06:16:33 am
Well, I think the last news to be added here is about the release
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RELEASE INFORMATION:
PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 Digital Upgrade Version: June 2014 – $14.99/€14.99 Retail & Digital Full Version: August 2014 – $39.99/€39.99
PC Digital Upgrade Version: August 2014 – $14.99/€14.99 Digital Full Version: August 2014 – $29.99/€29.99
Would Capcom add something more at this point or Decapre was the last thing for the game??
Also, I loved the intro for Decapre's reveal video, about Dictator knocked off Mika and Retsu a la SFA3 ending :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Ness on March 31, 2014, 06:41:52 am
Wondering if everyone will get a new ending?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Snakebyte on March 31, 2014, 07:18:09 am
Ugh.
I'd totally have paid $30 for it on console, $40 is a pass.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 31, 2014, 07:24:30 am
Uhh, the digital upgrade is just $14, and apparently you get all the DLC so...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on March 31, 2014, 09:30:13 am
The DLC is also included in the digital upgrade ? I know they're included in the disc version, I'm not too sure they're doing it too for the digital upgrade...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on March 31, 2014, 09:38:00 am
Actually, you are right.
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If you own Super Street Fighter IV or Super Street Fighter IV Arcade Edition, you can download the update for $14.99. This will upgrade the game as is, with all your data intact. The other option would be to buy the disc version, which will give you all DLC costumes for all characters released until now, as well as future content (to be discussed in the future). This option is available for $39.99
Eh, whatever. I have all the DLC and I'm still getting the disc (I have the disc for SF4, SSF4 and AE, so might as well) Preordering gives you the Udon-designed fantasy costumes for the newcomers, so that's something I guess.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DMK on April 01, 2014, 12:50:03 am
Which sites has the disc version for preorder? Everytime I check Gamestop they tell me the same thing that its "not in their system yet". Not even for the DLC one and that comes out in a few short months.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on April 01, 2014, 12:59:42 am
I know BestBuy and Amazon have the game for preorder. Gamestop should have it too so maybe it's an issue with your local Gamestop?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DMK on April 01, 2014, 01:05:26 am
Maybe haven't checked many others around here or the site. I'll do it via Amazon then if they have it up, thanks. :)
EDIT: Checked the Gamestop site itself and unless I'm typing it in wrong nothing comes up for Ultra. Wonder whats going on with them.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on April 01, 2014, 02:11:15 am
Yeah I just checked the website and nothing, it's weird because my local Gamestop has one of those cardboard displays for Ultra.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: AdBot1 on April 01, 2014, 02:55:55 pm
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Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on April 02, 2014, 10:27:24 am
On the subject of her Scramble attack, which has been mentioned by the developers many times as her signature move, Hart said that the follow up ground pound can hit on either side.
"It appeared her ground pound could land in front or behind, it would be interesting to test this out a bit more. I'm hoping it doesn't become another rinse and repeat move similar to Viper’s flame kick now," he said. ... "I'm guessing the normal [Ground Pound] may not be safe on block however so in that case the risk reward would be in the defender's favor if blocked correctly," he said.
Hmmm, I have a problem with that. Because the way he describes it, this here makes two major problems with her. Talking about someone who is NOT a great player who knows lots of combos, this move has actually two hurdles : first, block it correctly, and THEN, punish it with something worthwhile, not just a simple Dragon Punch / Tiger Knee. If you miss only one hurdle (and if you're just a casual, a worthwhile punish is already a failed hurdle), the result of this is that this is a character that's going to drive a larger gap between good players and casual players. At the very best, if you block it, you get a free guaranteed Ultra, but that's a one time thing, and that's assuming you passed the first hurdle of blocking it. So it relies a lot more on luck already. But the general case is that people who are a little bit good will just use her and destroy casuals easily.
I know, I'm dramatizing, but I'm making a point here. I don't really like this kind of comment that only accounts for good players who know their damaging combos. For everyone else, this is straight-up saying "she's going to cross you up all day long and there's nothing you can do about it", the risk-reward thing is a bad point to make. Sure, I like her and I think she's going to be great to watch in tourneys, but online, this comment tells me she's going to demolish all the casuals and be easy to abuse. At least Viper was a bit difficult to use by casuals (aiming the quake properly and not screwing the Kick command with super jumps). And at least Oni's Sexy Jiraiken is easier to see as long as you're not just plain slow and terrible (if you are, you deserve to get hit). This move is fast AND easy to use (even if it's a charge move, I don't remember if that one is, I'm assuming yes) AND hard to block AND you have to be good to make a counter worth it. And I haven't even included the fact that the Scramble alone is already a great mix-up move. That's just too much IMO.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on April 02, 2014, 03:30:40 pm
This is just going to up the matchup learning curve. I grudgingly(?) respect that. This is a character that is going to force a higher level of performance and I don't mind because raising the bar is important, especially in a game like this.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 02, 2014, 06:22:17 pm
On the subject of her Scramble attack, which has been mentioned by the developers many times as her signature move, Hart said that the follow up ground pound can hit on either side.
"It appeared her ground pound could land in front or behind, it would be interesting to test this out a bit more. I'm hoping it doesn't become another rinse and repeat move similar to Viper’s flame kick now," he said. ... "I'm guessing the normal [Ground Pound] may not be safe on block however so in that case the risk reward would be in the defender's favor if blocked correctly," he said.
Hmmm, I have a problem with that. Because the way he describes it, this here makes two major problems with her. Talking about someone who is NOT a great player who knows lots of combos, this move has actually two hurdles : first, block it correctly, and THEN, punish it with something worthwhile, not just a simple Dragon Punch / Tiger Knee. If you miss only one hurdle (and if you're just a casual, a worthwhile punish is already a failed hurdle), the result of this is that this is a character that's going to drive a larger gap between good players and casual players. At the very best, if you block it, you get a free guaranteed Ultra, but that's a one time thing, and that's assuming you passed the first hurdle of blocking it. So it relies a lot more on luck already. But the general case is that people who are a little bit good will just use her and destroy casuals easily.
I know, I'm dramatizing, but I'm making a point here. I don't really like this kind of comment that only accounts for good players who know their damaging combos. For everyone else, this is straight-up saying "she's going to cross you up all day long and there's nothing you can do about it", the risk-reward thing is a bad point to make. Sure, I like her and I think she's going to be great to watch in tourneys, but online, this comment tells me she's going to demolish all the casuals and be easy to abuse. At least Viper was a bit difficult to use by casuals (aiming the quake properly and not screwing the Kick command with super jumps). And at least Oni's Sexy Jiraiken is easier to see as long as you're not just plain slow and terrible (if you are, you deserve to get hit). This move is fast AND easy to use (even if it's a charge move, I don't remember if that one is, I'm assuming yes) AND hard to block AND you have to be good to make a counter worth it. And I haven't even included the fact that the Scramble alone is already a great mix-up move. That's just too much IMO.
hard to block ? are not the chances 50/50 ? that would make it fair to casuals.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on April 02, 2014, 07:09:03 pm
There's also the other mix-ups, and the fact that it seems super fast at the moment (they mentioned that it was even near instantaneous early on and they made her slower, but it's still damn fast). Since you don't actually see her while she moves in, you have to just know her move, know that she's going to pull this variation, and THEN you get the 50/50. There's the overhead and the low attack (there are three variations of the dash so there should be at least a third follow-up I'm missing on top of that, possibly more if they're like the Hyakki Shuu), if the overhead can also cross-up, it's more like 25/75 chance if you're just guessing, and that's only if you're fast enough in the first place (even if the overhead is slower, you have to first do the crouch block, and then be fast enough to switch to stand block, you don't do that on reaction when you're a casual - at least not until you start running into a lot of them).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on April 05, 2014, 04:31:43 pm
I haven't seen enough Decapre footage, need to get around to that.
USF4 Arcade release set for April 17. (http://shoryuken.com/2014/04/05/ultra-street-fighter-iv-releasing-in-arcades-on-april-17/)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on April 07, 2014, 10:45:05 am
Decapre sucks, she looks like another shenanigan character and a complete joke.
Watch her get exposed within a month of release. She ain't gonna scare me. My Chun-Li still gonna smash every one of them just like how she smashes Cammy.
Title: unbeknowNst with another tough boy post
Post by: S.D. on April 07, 2014, 11:35:01 am
Cool, I'd subscribe to your youtube channel, tough guy.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 07, 2014, 04:40:35 pm
does not matter, we are already getting decapre x cammy yuri.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on April 07, 2014, 04:42:52 pm
links pls i require
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 07, 2014, 04:52:17 pm
pixiv street fighter tag
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Hoshi on April 08, 2014, 06:21:29 am
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on April 08, 2014, 02:11:11 pm
He wont listen, don't even try :V
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on April 08, 2014, 03:42:09 pm
Decapre is meant to appeal to new players. (http://www.siliconera.com/2014/04/07/ultra-street-fighter-ivs-decapre-meant-appeal-newcomers/)
If they make her as good as AE Cammy, I'm sure she'll be. :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Neocargalpha on April 08, 2014, 04:46:14 pm
Seriously when they said "new character for the last character to reveal", I REALLY expected a new 3d model, new fighting style and moveset, like Hakan and Juri...
ok I have a Idea, take the 3d model of Guile, change the hair, add glasses and robotic arms, switch the moveset to another like Ken, and BOOM new character.
Back in my times when you really want play with a character, you LEARN the moveset, the excuse of the moveset is still bad for me.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on April 08, 2014, 04:47:23 pm
Seriously when they said the will put a new character for the last character to reveal, I REALLY expected a new 3d model, new fighting style and moveset, like Hakan and Juri...
Why would they sink time and money into an EXPENSIVE AND TIME-CONSUMING NEW MODEL for a BALANCE UPDATE
bolded and caps for easy reading
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on April 08, 2014, 04:48:40 pm
Back in my times when you really want play with a character, you LEARN the moveset, the excuse of the moveset is still bad for me.
I don't get it. It's not a good thing to have a new character with a brand new movelist that no other character has ? You did understand that Decapre has a completely unique moveset (aside from the light and medium normals) right ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on April 08, 2014, 05:50:45 pm
Seriously when they said "new character for the last character to reveal", I REALLY expected a new 3d model, new fighting style and moveset...
Then you expected too much. It would've been nice to get that, but there's already like 40 other characters to choose from if 1 isn't quite to your liking.
Also, idk what you're trying to say about the "back in my day" stuff, but devs have been kinda trying to make fighters accessible since the days of Street Fighter II if this is anything to go by:
Tomoaki Ayano said:
“In fact, charge characters were originally conceived as a way to bring a second style of play to users who were after a simpler control scheme. This hasn’t changed since the era of Blanka, Chun-Li, and Guile as they appeared in Street Fighter II.”
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Neocargalpha on April 08, 2014, 07:15:29 pm
Seriously when they said "new character for the last character to reveal", I REALLY expected a new 3d model, new fighting style and moveset...
Then you expected too much. It would've been nice to get that, but there's already like 40 other characters to choose from if 1 isn't quite to your liking.
Yeah because is capcom, well maybe they should only say Street fighter update, the date, and add the surprise, without came as new tittle...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on April 08, 2014, 08:41:10 pm
That's exactly what they did. They never said this is gonna be a new game.
And just shut up already, if they do as you said you'll still bitching about Decapre.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Darkflare on April 08, 2014, 10:32:29 pm
Personally never considered charge characters to be beginner friendly, but ok.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on April 08, 2014, 10:39:37 pm
What exactly is the hard part of "BLOCK .... BLOCK ... BLOCK ... FORWARD+BUTTON = SPECIAL"?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Darkflare on April 08, 2014, 10:42:14 pm
Actually being decent with it. You can't really use your specials at will unless you "charge" them up first for starters.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on April 08, 2014, 10:46:11 pm
To "be decent" you'd be stepping out of the already explained beginner friendly area.
You can buffer your charge during the animations of all attacks, when you're blocking, while you're airborne or crouching. The only moment where you can't charge is when you walk forward.
The options exist.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Thedge on April 08, 2014, 10:48:07 pm
Guile was tagged as "easy, for americans" or something like that when SF2 was in development stages.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on April 08, 2014, 10:55:42 pm
Actually being decent with it. You can't really use your specials at will unless you "charge" them up first for starters.
In the days of world warrior, everyone and his mom around my place knew how to perform Guile's specials, some people could throw hadokens, but only from the left side... lets not even talk about Zangief.
We even have one recurring joke with my pals about charge characters: "Can we switch sides? I can't pull a Flash Kick from this side of the screen"
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on April 08, 2014, 10:58:49 pm
Guile was tagged as "easy, for americans" or something like that when SF2 was in development stages.
I want proof.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 08, 2014, 11:09:14 pm
back then nobody had the motor skills to perform hadouken, I remember guys taking of their shirts, cover the joystick with it, then rotate it like crazy while mashing punch to get the hadouken to come out.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
it was in sf1, tho
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on April 08, 2014, 11:10:52 pm
I remember when I was like 6 or 7, I couldn't do any moves like the hadouken from the right side; it always peeved me. That right side thing is still an execution weakness of mine.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on April 08, 2014, 11:16:34 pm
I got the same problem, and its more evident when I use an arcade stick. With my charge characters I got no side effects :D
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on April 09, 2014, 03:59:08 am
I didn't know how to do a QCF, much less a Shoryuken when I was a kid. That's what you get for playing MK instead of SF or KOF so I was used to stupid motions like BACK,BACK+LP or BACK,FORWARD+LK. You know, pretty much no smooth motions.
It's even worse when you keep in mind that I was able to do Sub Zero's freeze ball move, which is DOWN, FORWARD+LP, the QCF was literally just missing the diagonal input Jesus Christ. People really didn't explain to me how SF commands worked like back then though :V
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on April 09, 2014, 04:09:25 pm
It's even worse when you've been playing SFIV for a long time and then you jump to KOFXIII and try to do stuff... you realize you've been getting used to some nasty bad habits :(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on April 09, 2014, 06:54:26 pm
Honestly, I prefer SFIV's input buffering/reading over KOF's. KOF already has enough tricks to avoid accidental special inputs (Like holding Back after a HCF + a button to avoid doing a special move with that input). So there's really no need for some of the strict rules it has (And this is the KOF with the best input buffering).
KOF just seems to be a bit too strict for no reason at all and makes the game feel more sluggish. The only way to play KOF is with an arcade stick, you have 0 chances with a joystick. SFIV at least lets you survive even with an Xbox 360 controller.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on April 09, 2014, 07:00:48 pm
KOF just seems to be a bit too strict for no reason at all and makes the game feel more sluggish. The only way to play KOF is with an arcade stick, you have 0 chances with a joystick. SFIV at least lets you survive even with an Xbox 360 controller.
No to all of the above paragraph. Just no.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on April 09, 2014, 07:02:53 pm
The only way to play KOF is with an arcade stick, you have 0 chances with a joystick.
Not if you're me, apparently. I play KOF with a regular controller's D-pad just fine.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on April 09, 2014, 07:04:43 pm
None of the newbies I play with had any problems with qcf and the like on joypads, dunno about the bigass commands tho.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on April 09, 2014, 07:06:11 pm
Guile's Ultra 1/Super (DB, DF, DB, UF) are a nightmare on a D-Pad.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on April 09, 2014, 07:07:24 pm
I meant kof, yeah those moves in ultra are hard as heck. Sf has a weird thing where sometimes it will give me a uppercut when im trying to do a qcf.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on April 09, 2014, 07:08:17 pm
The only command in KOF that I have a lot of trouble with is Vice's Overkill command (because DB, D, DF, F, UF, U, D + p is such an easy and intuitive command); the rest I can all pretty much reliably pull off with a pad.
Guile's Ultra 1/Super (DB, DF, DB, UF) are a nightmare on a D-Pad.
It is, until you learn to do it as DB,HCB,UB. I could never touch a charge character because of that, but this one is just a little less hard and more doable, I can even pull it off on a keyboard. 720s I just can't and I don't know why (it's only two full circles but it never works).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on April 09, 2014, 07:11:52 pm
I never said it was impossible to perform commands in KOFXIII, I was talking about the entire buffering system and whatnot. You just have no chance to pull off some interesting combos in a middle of a match with a controller unlike with an arcade stick.
Eeeeeh yeah well, good luck finishing trial mode with most of the characters with the xbox 360 controller. I know I tried! Most you can do with a controller is some BnB and short HD combos.
Guile's Ultra 1/Super (DB, DF, DB, UF) are a nightmare on a D-Pad.
It is, until you learn to do it as DB,HCB,UB. I could never touch a charge character because of that, but this one is just a little less hard and more doable, I can even pull it off on a keyboard. 720s I just can't and I don't know why (it's only two full circles but it never works).
You can even press any upwards direction instead of just UB IIRC. Kinda funny how SFIV never tells you about those shortcuts yet it expects you to know them in order to finish trial mode.
And yeah, I have the same anomaly when it comes to 720s with a keyboard in that game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 09, 2014, 07:15:50 pm
on of the bigget differneces I ahve felt with kof and 2d snk games in general is taht you have to input the commands really fast, if you are used to input the commands slowly (I normally input them slowly on a dpad) a lot of commands won't come out properly.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on April 09, 2014, 07:16:04 pm
Guile's Ultra 1/Super (DB, DF, DB, UF) are a nightmare on a D-Pad.
It is, until you learn to do it as DB,HCB,UB. I could never touch a charge character because of that, but this one is just a little less hard and more doable, I can even pull it off on a keyboard. 720s I just can't and I don't know why (it's only two full circles but it never works).
I'll try that. Thanks for the tip.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
I started using Guile and Deejay for some stupid reasons - Guile for the NICE SHADES Taunt, and DeeJay for the CLIMAX BEAT Ultra, which I could never pull off when I needed it :sadgoi: ... but he still has a super effective 2 frame Cr.MK, and EX Rolling Sobat that goes through projectiles
Guile's Ultra 1/Super (DB, DF, DB, UF) are a nightmare on a D-Pad.
They really should implement that easier version from HDR.
Yeah, because the hard motion really ruins Guile, and Deejay's awesome CLIMAX BEAT. Gotta stick with the easy Ultra1 to use it as a punish on reaction :sadgoi:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on April 09, 2014, 07:17:58 pm
on of the bigget differneces I ahve felt with kof and 2d snk games in general is taht you have to input the commands really fast, if you are used to input the commands slowly (I normally input them slowly on a dpad) a lot of commands won't come out properly.
THAT is exactly my main issue with KOF. Although you can tell they actually tried to make it easier. Older KOF games have a really strict input buffering and time for special inputs while KOF 03 to ahead eases things a bit. KOF XIII is the one with the easiest one.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on April 09, 2014, 07:20:42 pm
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You can even press any upwards direction instead of just UB IIRC.
Yeah, but what I meant is, you can do a 270° (well, 225°) after holding the direction. this is what makes it easier (the full circle is a bit harder but a 225° is ok). It's not a shortcut at all since it's really DB,DF,DB,UB, it's just that the HCB includes the DF,DB. What that means is that you don't have to release everything to go from DF to DB. the only trick is using UB instead of UF.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on April 09, 2014, 07:21:22 pm
I didn't have much trouble on 98 with a d-pad, honestly. The most trouble I had was thanks to input errors on my part.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on April 09, 2014, 07:23:27 pm
You can even press any upwards direction instead of just UB IIRC.
Yeah, but what I meant is, you can do a 270° (well, 225°) after holding the direction. this is what makes it easier (the full circle is a bit harder but a 225° is ok).
Of course UB at the end is easier, I was just adding some extra info to the input shortcut. Gotta know all your alternatives :V. I'm not fully aware of other shortcuts besides that one and the DP/double diagonal. I'm sure there's at least one more but just I can't remember which was.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on April 09, 2014, 07:28:47 pm
I main charge characters in sf4 because they are much more reliable with their moves. Charge db, rotate to df then back to db, any u direction + attack. It's super easy to do on dpad and comes out 100%
I can't play non charge characters in sf4 due to the shortcut commands. I have no issues pulling off the attacks in KOF 13. But I always do my commands super fast and that's why I can't do the rotates well in sf4. I don't understand how a person could play well while doing slow commands. Seems like the extra time it takes to get the command complete could cost you.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on April 09, 2014, 09:34:33 pm
SFIV4 inputs are easy, but I hate some stuff, like the infamous walk->shoryuken when you wanted to do walk->hadouken, getting teleports instead of Ultras with Bison and getting Spectacle Romance instead of Space Opera Symphony with Rufus. I've seen the last one happen to even top players like Ricky Ortiz on EVO finals, so I think I'm not the one to blame.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Killer Kong on April 09, 2014, 09:36:44 pm
For those talking about the hard motion in Super Turbo compared to HDR with Guile's super, if this hasn't been mentioned, in ST, it's Charge D, F,B,U. No diagonals. It's really only the speed of the input that's hard sometimes. Later games made the command more difficult.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on April 10, 2014, 12:51:47 am
I never said it was impossible to perform commands in KOFXIII, I was talking about the entire buffering system and whatnot. You just have no chance to pull off some interesting combos in a middle of a match with a controller unlike with an arcade stick.
False. And KOFXIII give you terrible habits too like the hold button trick to buffer specials and make them come out on frame 1.
The only real advantage stick has over a pad in a fighting game is pianoing hands, and even then there's way around that with the proper button configuration.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Red Comet Tyson on April 10, 2014, 02:00:19 am
prior kof XI every time i input zanretsuken haohshokoken will come out >:(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on April 10, 2014, 02:02:53 am
I didn't know how to do a QCF, much less a Shoryuken when I was a kid. That's what you get for playing MK instead of SF or KOF so I was used to stupid motions like BACK,BACK+LP or BACK,FORWARD+LK. You know, pretty much no smooth motions.
It's even worse when you keep in mind that I was able to do Sub Zero's freeze ball move, which is DOWN, FORWARD+LP, the QCF was literally just missing the diagonal input Jesus Christ. People really didn't explain to me how SF commands worked like back then though :V
the reverse happened to me. the only mk move i can pull was sub zero's cause it's close to a hadouken and scorpions "come over here" move. fucking hate that game when i was a kid.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Snakebyte on April 10, 2014, 01:25:32 pm
Guile's Ultra 1/Super (DB, DF, DB, UF) are a nightmare on a D-Pad.
I literally can't at those.
Not anywhere.
Not on a dpad, not on a keyboard, not on an anything.
I'm good with everything else I've come across except that Vice command Jmorph mentioned. And double-HCBs (left side) give me shit on keyboard sometimes.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on April 10, 2014, 01:45:26 pm
I would need to own a previous game to buy an upgrade.
... So you'd buy this full, brand new game only for $30 and not for $40 ? Yeah, that's not really going to happen.
And neither is my purchase.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on April 10, 2014, 07:43:40 pm
Good to know !
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on April 10, 2014, 07:44:50 pm
Juri
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Close Standing LP hitbox expanded downward Close Standing MP start-up speed during Feng Shui Engine now the same as normal version Close Standing MK start-up speed during Feng Shui Engine now the same as normal version Far Standing MP now Special-cancellable Far Standing LK start-up reduced from 5F to 4F Far Standing HK hitbox size during Feng Shui Engine now the same as normal version Crouching MK start-up reduced from 6F to 5F; recovery reduced from 17F to 16F Diagonal Jump HP no longer causes knockdown Kasatushi now takes recoverable damage when absorbing attacks L, M and H Shikusen no longer can be done from back jump Second Impact and Third Strike hitbox expanded, less likely to unconnect EX Shikusen now has input follow-ups like the normal version, activates with any single K button; trajectory changes with button combination: L+M is L Shikusen, M+H is M Shikusen, L+H is H Shikusen trajectory EX Fuhajin (M+H) now hits grounded opponents EX Fuhajin (L+H) damage increased from 50*50 to 60*60 EX Senpusha invincibility time increased from 1-6F to 1-7F; changed from -14F to -15F on block Feng Shui Engine (UC1) invincibility time reduced from 1-4F to 1-2F Kaisen Dankairaku (UC2) hitbox slightly expanded horizontally
I swear to god, if that means they finally made her U2 hit on both sides, I will buy this game new immediately...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on April 10, 2014, 07:59:29 pm
You know, you could just get AE these days for like $10 and then get the upgrade. :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Snakebyte on April 10, 2014, 08:15:27 pm
Eh, I'll just pick up Ultra on disc down the line used. I'm not in any particular hurry.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on April 10, 2014, 08:50:10 pm
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Ultra Combo Double
Selected by choosing “Ultra Combo Double” on the Ultra Combo select screen after selecting a character Both Ultra Combo I and Ultra Combo II can be used during battle Compared to individual Ultra Combos at 100% damage, Ultra Combo Double applies the following scaling: 60%: Akuma, Cammy, Dhalsim, E.Honda, Fei Long, Hakan, Hugo, Makoto, Rose, T.Hawk, Zangief 75%: All other characters
WHY?! :gonk:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
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Guile All versions of Flash Kick invincibility time extended by 1F Flash Explosion (U1) [...] if opponent is behind, corrects to face the opponent Sonic Hurricane (U2) damage increased from 300 to 330; all hits now connect on air opponents
YES.
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Rose
Forward Dash total frames reduced from 21F to 20F Close Standing MK hitbox slightly expanded downward Crouching LP damage increased from 20 to 30 Crouching LK damage increased from 30 to 40 Crouching MP damage increased from 60 to 70 L Soul Spiral forward movement distance slightly increased L, M and H Soul Spiral damage increased from 100 to 110 EX Soul Spiral damage increased from 120 to 130; stun increased from 100 to 200; invincibility time increased from 11F to 13F; throw invincibility removed M Soul Spark start-up reduced from 22F to 20F H Soul Spark start-up reduced from 29F to 27F Soul Satellite (U2) recovery increased from 2F to 4F
HALLELUJAH!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 10, 2014, 11:01:01 pm
make up your fucking mind! do you want rose buffed or nerfed !?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on April 10, 2014, 11:15:21 pm
Motherfucker, what does the last line even mean? She's getting punished even easier then?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on April 10, 2014, 11:16:55 pm
Recovery increased, means she takes two more frames at the end before she can move. And guard.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on April 10, 2014, 11:26:20 pm
FUCK. Oh well, they broke that for her since the first revision of Super anyway, you should never activate when attack is imminent.
They increased her damage output as well as reactions across the board aside from U2. I'll take that.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on April 10, 2014, 11:42:06 pm
Well, I don't play Rose, but it's the recovery after launching the satellites, if the satellites are already there then she's not in so much danger, the real minus is that she's slower to attack after starting it so she might have a harder time juggling if a satellite hit something right off the bat... Or are the satellites that bad at blocking an incoming attack just when they're summoned, bad enough that she'd need to immediately block on top of summoning them ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on April 11, 2014, 12:00:01 am
Originally in Super when everybody got an Ultra 2, when you activated the satellites you got at least a couple of invincibility frames.
After the subsequent updates, they removed this invincibility, meaning that you can be hit out of ultra the exact frame (or 2 frames, if the notes are true) after you've activated and the satellites would automatically disappear.
2 frames is a gamble that could get you a 50-50 reaction to counterattack if you were already being attacked (which is already 50% lower than the original version). Now you re-gain control 4 frames after U2 has been activated, meaning that you're a sitting duck if you didn't activate in a completely neutral situation. If your opponent was already on his way to attack you, you're fucked.
Not to mention if you choose W Ultra, she's one of the few select group of characters that gets her ultras nerfed to 60%, instead of 75% like the rest of the cast.
So, this is a game changer for Rose. You need to play extra smart. No Hail Mary from Ultras. And they even gave you brawling buffs to boot to avoid having to come to Hail Marys
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on April 11, 2014, 12:10:43 am
The recovery frames don't say anything about how soon the satellites come out, it's only Rose's own animation. It's not saying you can hit her for two (or four) frames after activation ; if the satellite come out instantly, then they'll hit the opponent. There might be a trade off if they hit her just on the same frame she summons them, at best, but this here says nothing about Rose being actually vulnerable after the satellites are out, or about the satellites coming out later (this one would be the startup, and it doesn't seem to have changed). Rose's animation recovery and how fast the satellite can catch an attacker are unrelated. She can't move for two more frames,but the satellites are still there for these same two frames, defending her. Only impact I can see is cutting off some potential juggle if the satellites hit immediately, or she can't press with a hard attack if they're blocked, something like that.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on April 11, 2014, 12:38:32 am
You're clearly assuming stuff here. I'm telling you from experience how I've had to, and will continue to be forced around the strategy of the circumstances under which a Rose player will be able to activate.
The satellites aren't an All-Area Instant Forcefield. They gravitate around Rose, and the first few frames actually leave her wide open for a Frontal Attack. A quick reaction time to counterattack is crucial for a sneaky surprise attack or even just fro blocking. Now Rose players no longer have the element of surprise, nor the time to use this as a counter-defensive move, it's now forced to become a strategic-offensive move that you need to plan ahead under safe circumstances.
Capcom is forcing players to be smarter Rose players.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on April 16, 2014, 12:48:18 am
Red focus attack is meant for casual players. (http://www.siliconera.com/2014/04/15/capcom-says-ultra-street-fighter-ivs-red-focus-meant-casual-players/)
I guess it depends on your definition of a casual player.
Siliconera said:
Was the game maybe getting a little too complex, given that the original idea behind Street Fighter IV was to adopt a back-to-basics approach?
Tomoaki Ayano said:
“I don’t really view the Red Focus system as being all that similar to parrying. It was conceived as a technique to deal with incoming multi-hit attacks via simple button input. We see it as a way to bring more casual users into the fold and reignite interest among players who may have been sitting out of the Street Fighter IV series until now. It might bring the same kind of excitement to matches that parrying did, but we view it as a different beast since it is much simpler to pull off.”
“Now, delayed standing is most certainly intended for a more hardcore crowd. High level players had noticed some situations in previous iterations of the game in which their options were cut off, so we wanted to open things up a bit and allow them to have some control over their stand timing.”
“I don’t see it as overcomplicating the game so much as offering a nod to both the casual audience and the more hardcore. It feels like we’ve achieved a nice balance between the two with these systems. I’m not actually against complicated systems that deepen a game, but I don’t think that’s what we’ve done here.”
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on April 16, 2014, 12:52:07 am
So, they want to pertain to casuals AND hardcore? You can't really do both, honestly...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: JeDDyD on April 16, 2014, 03:41:23 am
(http://i.imgur.com/mblmSWR.jpg) Decapre Alt Costume - Gladiator Decapre
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on April 16, 2014, 03:47:53 am
ACOTY material.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Long John Killer on April 16, 2014, 03:49:15 am
Well...that certainly is an odd depiction of a gladiator.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on April 16, 2014, 03:50:35 am
(http://i.imgur.com/StwpxMN.jpg) Not enough zippers.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 16, 2014, 03:54:40 am
(http://i.imgur.com/mblmSWR.jpg) Decapre Alt Costume - Gladiator Decapre
I'm going to be honest that is the worst Alt Costume I have ever seen in my whole life! The should do an original costume contest like Tecmo Koei is doing!
I want to say something I should have said a long ago.
I am sick of the whole tending casual thing and thinking the core players will play anything as long as Street Fighter. All they need to do is to add a detailed tutorials which they should do in the first place instead of adding: Simple controls, easy supers, easy specials, automatic combo, automatic supers and the dreaded GEM system all it does it makes the player think that you are a total idiot that is OK cheat and won't make new players and that the real reason Street Fighter X Tekken failed other than the DLC! (Disc Lock Content) I am not against adding new players but I think they should better ways of doing that than treating you the consumer a total idiot! Don't like it but that's how I feel!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on April 16, 2014, 04:37:54 am
They should also add Karin Kanzuki!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on April 16, 2014, 04:48:52 am
I know, my head also hurts after reading that post.
i like that design except for the ridiculous amount of locks
Same. I wouldn't mind all dem locks if it weren't for those on the belts. I get it's for restraint, but why would you stick locks on the belts when she could clearly just cut the belts? I mean they're obviously made of leather, so what the fuck.
But that aside, I really dig this alt.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Seadragon77 on April 16, 2014, 05:51:15 am
(http://i.imgur.com/mblmSWR.jpg) Decapre Alt Costume - Gladiator Decapre
Uh... hm... Points for originality, I guess?
Eh...
It is pretty original, the mask looks far better than whatever the hell her original self has.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Fisher King on April 16, 2014, 08:11:50 am
I really like the overall concept of the costume. Kinda unnecessary details in some parts (too many unnecessary locks) but I like it. The mask is pretty nice.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on April 16, 2014, 08:43:28 am
Hey that alt is pretty neat.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on April 16, 2014, 05:18:00 pm
There's not enough room to hide her claws on her left arm so I guess it's going to have some tweaks for the in game version.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on April 16, 2014, 07:39:34 pm
with it also being a joke on the name (Decapre & DiCaprio)
What the movie with Di Caprio didn't invent the story of the man in the iron mask, and Decapre's name has absolutely nothing to do with him, it's a Russian word. It's a reference to the actual story of the man in the iron mask, it doesn't mean it's a reference to the movie that was inspired by the same story. (if he seriously said that, it's pretty bad) (he's not the one who designed Decapre back in SFZ3, is he ? He's just Udon, not Capcom, right ?)
Oh, I just checked his Deviantart and what he actually says is
Since her apperence is similar to Cammy, she uses a mask and all the alternative outfits was setting in a fantasy theme I wanted to do a reference to "The Man in the Iron Mask" (also Decrapre, DiCaprio... well you get the joke ;P )
He's not saying that Decapre was named in reference to Di Caprio, he's saying that it's a joke he thought of when designing her fantasy outfit. You scared me for a second there. Decapre was similar to the story of the man in the iron mask (the actual one and the whole myth about it that inspired the books and the movies) right from the beginning, Genzoman just pushed it further for this fantasy alt.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on April 16, 2014, 10:45:11 pm
yeah, the name was just a convenient coincidence.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on April 17, 2014, 12:56:49 am
USF4 release (retail) is August 7th in Japan. (http://shoryuken.com/2014/04/16/ultra-street-fighter-iv-heading-to-japanese-consoles-on-august-7-famitsu-provides-first-in-game-look-at-udon-designed-alternate-costumes/) Likely same-week release overseas.
why did you bring him up now he's gonna be the designer for sf5 and ryu is gonna have his headband replaced with a belt fuck you
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on April 17, 2014, 02:26:21 am
I expected the SFxT costumes to make it over, but giving Dacapre Cammy's alt is just low. Decapre is supposed to be a different character so why give it to her. They didn't even change her default mask.
Poison ain't no god damn hoser, Metro City is as American as not having universal health care and fries without gravy.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [Judas] on April 23, 2014, 01:48:26 pm
If the stage setting from Poison's ending isn't turned into a stage the moment clear video is available, then the community has failed.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bea on April 23, 2014, 02:13:11 pm
Poison ending is awesome. :D I didn't expect something like that. Good job Capcom.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Mgbenz on April 23, 2014, 09:52:42 pm
I love Elena and Akuma kawaii moment.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on April 23, 2014, 09:55:09 pm
What was that with Sakura in Elena's ending? Are they trying to imply that she is the 'African Sakura' or something? IDK if I buy that.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on April 23, 2014, 10:32:09 pm
Poison's ending made me realize why I had a feeling of deja vu when I first saw Dr. Rockzo (http://dethklok.wikia.com/wiki/Dr._Rockzo).
And I'm guessing the random Sakura in Elena's ending will be explained in their rival fight???
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on April 24, 2014, 12:34:26 am
Sakura, Elena, Makoto, and I think Ibuki all go to the same school at one point. They're probably just friends/rivals...but since it's Elena: The're probably just friends.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on April 24, 2014, 12:41:17 am
no they dont
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on April 24, 2014, 12:42:52 am
The weird school girl doujin that you read is not canon.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on April 24, 2014, 12:46:19 am
Karin also goes to that school, except she's not in this game!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on April 24, 2014, 12:51:31 am
I could've sworn they did in the Udon comics...guess I'm just a big dummy...I'm off my game today.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on April 24, 2014, 12:53:52 am
There was a school girl special in the Udon comics. But that wasn't set in any kind of real reality either. It was a what if. In the Ibuki side comics IIRC
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on April 24, 2014, 12:58:55 am
Sarai should've been the 5th character. :V
I'm guessing they'll make it to where Elena is an exchange student in Sakura's school and whatnot. Her backstory was something like that in SF3 iirc.
Edit: Forgot that Sakura finished with school by the time SF4 started.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on April 24, 2014, 05:04:48 am
As much as I dig Ibuki, this is a bad idea. She'd have been received even worse than Decapre.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on April 30, 2014, 06:55:19 pm
I agree, Hinata would've been a better choice.
Delayed standing is making USF4 a "slower" game. (http://shoryuken.com/2014/04/30/wao-examines-delayed-wakeup-and-its-effects-on-ultra-street-fighter-iv/)
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First, a review on the functions of Delayed Standing:
Can only be used on forced knockdowns (such as sweeps and throws).
Done by pressing any two buttons immediately before being downed. Timing is not necessary, can be done by mashing.
When successful, a “Technical” message is shown for the delaying player and wake-up is delayed from normal wake-up by 11F.
The “Technical” message is displayed 60F before rising. (from the Arcadia Fighting Game Remix guide)
This delay is currently wreaking havoc in USFIV. Everyone hasn’t adjusted to it, so all the matches have become slow-paced. Asking 12 or 13 people, “Is USFIV fun right now? Not quite?”, one said it was fun, two said was okay, and the rest said it wasn’t so great. Out of the last group, there were even three players whose characters are absolutely better off with Delayed Standing. The most common opinion was that matches have lost their tension. Incidentally, I prefer Ver.2012 to USFIV.
Defensive options in the oki game have increased with no offensive option to compensate, so... not really a surprise.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on May 02, 2014, 09:13:31 pm
Delayed standing is making USF4 a "slower" game. (http://shoryuken.com/2014/04/30/wao-examines-delayed-wakeup-and-its-effects-on-ultra-street-fighter-iv/)
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First, a review on the functions of Delayed Standing:
Can only be used on forced knockdowns (such as sweeps and throws).
Done by pressing any two buttons immediately before being downed. Timing is not necessary, can be done by mashing.
When successful, a “Technical” message is shown for the delaying player and wake-up is delayed from normal wake-up by 11F.
The “Technical” message is displayed 60F before rising. (from the Arcadia Fighting Game Remix guide)
This delay is currently wreaking havoc in USFIV. Everyone hasn’t adjusted to it, so all the matches have become slow-paced. Asking 12 or 13 people, “Is USFIV fun right now? Not quite?”, one said it was fun, two said was okay, and the rest said it wasn’t so great. Out of the last group, there were even three players whose characters are absolutely better off with Delayed Standing. The most common opinion was that matches have lost their tension. Incidentally, I prefer Ver.2012 to USFIV.
Defensive options in the oki game have increased with no offensive option to compensate, so... not really a surprise.
I'm sure people will learn past this anyways, so it's more of just "dealing with it" for now.
Game is recording your Offline VS matches, which then you can upload to youtube.
I like the idea. That way, me and a friend can have some good times just screwing around with this game.
Yeah, this definitely works easier for my friends when we do game nights.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on May 02, 2014, 10:53:54 pm
I dunno, that delayed wakeup thing DOES sound like it ruins the flow of the game. If this was a single-player game like a side-scrolling beat-em up, it might work, but competitively it just slows shit down.
I play Pokemon competitively so I'm used to a game developer accidentally making something too strong, then severely nerfing it in the next gen (ie: Auto-Weather in Gen V). The difference being hopefully they'll realize the mistake and update the game instead of making us wait for insert-SF4-joke-title-here.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on May 02, 2014, 10:58:50 pm
The difference being hopefully they'll realize the mistake and update the game instead of making us wait for insert-SF4-joke-title-here.
It's pretty obvious there will be the AE phases for this update as well, where they release a shit ton of stuff, including lotsa characters, and then there will of course be an ULTRA SF4 2015 EDITION free update.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on May 02, 2014, 11:13:39 pm
This kinda looks like the last version of the game to me. Besides a balance patch next year I don't think we'll get anything new worth the trouble (Every time they add a new character they totally fuck up the overall balance due to the new character being untested).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on May 02, 2014, 11:15:50 pm
I dunno, that delayed wakeup thing DOES sound like it ruins the flow of the game. If this was a single-player game like a side-scrolling beat-em up, it might work, but competitively it just slows shit down.
I play Pokemon competitively so I'm used to a game developer accidentally making something too strong, then severely nerfing it in the next gen (ie: Auto-Weather in Gen V). The difference being hopefully they'll realize the mistake and update the game instead of making us wait for insert-SF4-joke-title-here.
I haven't really seen the Delayed Wakeup sheningans in action yet, so I can't really judge so whatever.
This kinda looks like the last version of the game to me. Besides a balance patch next year I don't think we'll get anything new worth the trouble (Every time they add a new character they totally fuck up the overall balance due to the new character being untested).
Meh, I don't really see any of the characters being unbalanced by the time the game ships...maybe.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on May 02, 2014, 11:23:09 pm
I don't think we'll be seeing any new characters after this update because Capcom is in a tight financial situation at the moment; Decapre being a testament to that. But maybe they can put the fat Megaman model from X Tekken to use and add him in as DLC. That would be cool.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on May 02, 2014, 11:25:38 pm
AE was the arcade version that came out later and corrected the console version, this would be the reverse, so it should just be console edition by the time it hits home version, and everything's right in the world.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on May 03, 2014, 12:07:31 am
about delayed wake up, peopel will just get used to it, this is not the first game that adds defensive option without adding a new offensive option to compensate.
Or the other way around, see UMvC3.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Ehat on May 07, 2014, 03:28:03 pm
How Capcom swings the buff and nerf bat.
http://youtu.be/TDct9C9VKQk
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on May 07, 2014, 03:39:00 pm
It's hilarious :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on May 07, 2014, 05:02:23 pm
Amazing.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on May 07, 2014, 05:08:31 pm
The YT uploding feature is capped at 480p. (http://shoryuken.com/2014/05/07/ultra-street-fighter-iv-youtube-uploads-capped-at-480p/)
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When asked about the quality of the uploads, Rosas was quick to knock down the idea of 720p. “We initially set the record function at 720p,” he explained. “[But] uploading one match took too long due to the high quality.” He says their goal is to allow players to get their videos out there as soon as possible, something they believe limiting the uploads to 480p will help along.
Almost there.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on May 07, 2014, 07:12:03 pm
Again? wow. They haven't learned shit lol. Just let the people decide their freaking upload quality, it's their time anyway. If they want their uploads to be slower it's their decision.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Ehat on May 07, 2014, 07:54:33 pm
I thought they would have learned something about this from how it was handled in 3SO, I guess not.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on May 07, 2014, 08:33:09 pm
Not to mention that it's more than likely all the uploads in X360 will be made using a generic YT account, as in 3SO.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on May 07, 2014, 10:01:25 pm
Not to mention that it's more than likely all the uploads in X360 will be made using a generic YT account, as in 3SO.
Actually they fixed that issue so you can upload the replays to your own YT account, however that doesn't mean the quality is any better. Last time I tested it, there were frame skips out the ass and I was barely even able to get 240p
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on May 08, 2014, 11:03:43 pm
I think that this was probably the most interesting ending for me since it shows a bit of character depth (Hugo's family) and it gave me a better idea of how Hugo and Poison interact with each other (I would have never expected Hugo to manhandle Poison like that).
Title: No excuse.
Post by: Bastard Walt on May 14, 2014, 06:05:20 pm
As for Xbox 360 owners, Gold members will receive an extra game next month because of the one-year anniversary: Dark Souls, Charlie Murder, and the bonus title, Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition.
Now you have to buy the Ultra 5-character DLC pack because you're getting the other 39 characters for free!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: San2 on May 14, 2014, 06:39:14 pm
Paying for Xbox Live is the opposite of free.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on May 14, 2014, 06:47:25 pm
Well, paying for LIVE is the equivalent of paying for 1 title at 100% retail, but you get 25 games a year + the best SF4 online experience.
But you can be a stubborn ass too, and just be bitter about it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Mgbenz on May 14, 2014, 07:04:05 pm
Is LIVE anything like PSN+ where the games are yours for free until you stopped paying for the subscription? Because that would mean you're just renting the games.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on May 14, 2014, 07:11:53 pm
Not at all. Download once (within the 15 day window), and it's yours forever.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: San2 on May 14, 2014, 07:16:08 pm
Well that's not so bad then. I thought it's like PSN+.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on May 15, 2014, 04:21:54 am
USF4 'bible' to be released in August along with the physical release, (http://shoryuken.com/2014/05/14/bradygames-to-release-ultra-street-fighter-iv-bible-in-august/) will contain frame data, hitboxes, tips from tourney players, and more.
Balance Change videos have been posted for the following characters * Ryu * Dictator * Gouken * Blanka * Cammy * E.Ryu
SF4 Combo Edition indeed.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on May 15, 2014, 06:45:46 pm
Along with that, digital upgrade set for June 3rd; physical release set for August 5th (http://shoryuken.com/2014/05/15/ultra-street-fighter-iv-digital-upgrade-heading-to-consoles-on-june-3-physical-release-scheduled-for-august-5/)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on May 15, 2014, 07:12:59 pm
I hate how long till the physical comes out. Guess me and my buddy I share accounts with will split the digital. That won't make it too bad. Make us have to pay closer to a normal full price game for the physical. I worry they won't make any more physical releases. Which sucks because if something happens and you don't have the dlc data anymore you won't have the new costumes. But at least you'll have everything prior.
MVC3 has made me extra paranoid about the DLC age. Since it is now impossible to get Jill and ShumaGorath legally if you just now buy the game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on May 15, 2014, 07:50:27 pm
...And the PC version upgrade arrives at the same time as the retail release. Fucking great.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on May 15, 2014, 08:09:37 pm
I'll DL the upgrade for the 360, and buy a physical copy for my PS3. Can't be too prepared niggas!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on May 16, 2014, 12:35:58 am
(Capcom point out that “due to conflicting age ratings with the OFLC the digital upgrade will not be available on PSN across Australia and New Zealand. The XBLA digital upgrade and retail release in August are unaffected.”)
God damn it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on May 16, 2014, 01:29:19 am
Move out of that shithole already Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on May 16, 2014, 02:08:53 am
HaHa, here I thought Auzzies were tough. Ah well, at least the beer is good *headbutt*
edit:
I'm number 3300 Wooooo!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on May 16, 2014, 02:11:54 am
3301*
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on May 16, 2014, 02:16:38 am
3302 :wiseguy:
Ok I'll stop now.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lith on May 16, 2014, 02:21:02 am
3303 you idiot
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on May 16, 2014, 02:31:39 am
How can someone fail so hard? Twice in a row.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on May 16, 2014, 02:40:39 am
Putting aside the fact that I despise those kind of posts (outside of specific contexts like the 1000th page), watching that number on the top right of every post would prevent that kind of thing from happening next time. :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on May 16, 2014, 03:10:03 am
that's an easy fix.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on May 16, 2014, 03:13:47 am
maybe you could've specified that in your post instead of looking like a dumb fucking shithead
Or, you could just let it go. But that would involve maturity and tact, like a proper mod.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on May 16, 2014, 03:26:52 am
Except that Titiln isn't a mod.
Eventhubs did an exclusive interview with Combofiend. (http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2014/may/15/ultra-street-fighter-4-hits-xbl-and-psn-june-3rd-eventhubs-exclusive-interview-combofiend/)
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Capcom is currently taking feedback from players in Japan who are putting in time with the arcade release of USF4. That feedback is being applied to the console build of the game.
There will be new changes in the console version that Japan isn't aware of, and western users will be given Training Mode, which Combofiend feels will make up for the early overseas release.
Due to lack of Training Mode in Japan arcades, Combofiend says that many players are afraid to try out new characters or changes because it costs $1 to play a game.
Guy's kara Tatsu cancel into other special moves will be removed in the console version.
Ken's crouching medium kick is being reverted back to its AE v2012 form.
Combofiend originally felt that the nerf to Dragon Punch, FADC was a little drastic, but the majority of users approved of it. He now feels that the change adds more of a mind game to the situation.
There is still no confirmation of online Edition Select, but Capcom is definitely aware of the demand for it.
There will be no option to show hitboxes in-game.
Combofiend says that there are no tweaks to the netcode at this time, but they are aware of the request.
T. Hawk, Blanka, and others have gotten immensely better in USF4.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on May 16, 2014, 03:29:52 am
Capcom is currently taking feedback from players in Japan who are putting in time with the arcade release of USF4. That feedback is being applied to the console build of the game.
There will be new changes in the console version that Japan isn't aware of, and western users will be given Training Mode, which Combofiend feels will make up for the early overseas release.
Due to lack of Training Mode in Japan arcades, Combofiend says that many players are afraid to try out new characters or changes because it costs $1 to play a game.
Yeah, that'll do it lol
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on May 16, 2014, 03:32:52 am
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on May 16, 2014, 04:36:55 am
Why does it matter who he is? And how about you stop derailing the topic?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on May 16, 2014, 04:51:35 am
To be fair, it seems he's trying to get back on topic (except the last one), but throwing jabs on top of otherwise decent posts isn't helping his case.
I must be one of the few who doesn't care about the alt outfits. Nice to see them in something else, but I'm too attached to their original designs.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on May 16, 2014, 09:19:32 pm
You mean for every character or only the new ones? Because there are pretty cool alts, like Mech Zangief and Mech Dictator
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on May 16, 2014, 10:38:43 pm
Actually in general; there's a few of them I like (like Mech Zangief), but most don't really catch me. Not helped by the fact that their original designs really hit home (for lack of a better term).
I appreciate the effort though; I'd be mad if they didn't take advantage of using 3D models.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on May 16, 2014, 10:55:51 pm
There are a few jewels that make the game a hell of a lot more colorful. I can't force you to like them, but I will say that having that variety helped me to stay in the game for a while longer.
Getting in a Gentlemen fight Dudley VS Balrog both in all white suits and hats is hilarious.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on May 16, 2014, 11:37:04 pm
Also, some of them are plain silly, like Bison's 3rd alt outfit or the one for Blanka that has feathers... I just feel using them for the sake of being annoying.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on May 17, 2014, 12:16:55 am
I will be honest, I'm pretty hype they'll be included in the disk, so that way I don't have to pay for the costumes again (different console though) and the disk costs about the same as the costumes alone would have cost, so ... it makes sense to me.
And yeah, I love to troll people all the time online with Bride Rose. Usually people get intimidated and confused by the size of the dress :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on May 17, 2014, 01:21:55 am
Carnival Blanka should be banned from tournaments. That's just so damn unfair.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: J-Grug on May 17, 2014, 01:52:56 am
O CRAP, THEY forgot to get rid of a tekken song.
USF4 http://youtu.be/bfAZSJOMiag?t=2m11s
Tekken http://youtu.be/LdT5LLvN8mo?t=20s
Pray they don't get a lawsuit!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lith on May 17, 2014, 02:22:07 am
You can't be serious
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on May 17, 2014, 04:36:05 am
The level of fail that continues to dribble forth from Capcom is astounding. $5 says Decapre's alt out fit is Cammy lol
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on May 17, 2014, 04:38:11 am
That's not the same song.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on May 17, 2014, 04:40:49 am
yeah thats just the same instrument.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lith on May 17, 2014, 04:43:12 am
Ok-Ok I'll stop messing with them... It's just so easy though.
Anyway, seeing the FF characters in that BG makes me wish they would just make the FF reboot game already, can't tell me it wouldn't sell. It's not to late for a Dean DLC though.
*raises glass* heres to hope eh?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on May 17, 2014, 07:41:00 am
Anyway, seeing the FF characters in that BG makes me wish they would just make the FF reboot game already, can't tell me it wouldn't sell. It's not to late for a Dean DLC though.
i think streetwise killed that, i think it's fine being represented in Street Fighter through characters and cameos
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on May 17, 2014, 08:04:38 am
Anyone can do 'fine' Lith.
Everyone here knows, that if they put the same passion into SF4 that they put into Asura's Wrath, this would have turned out to be a very deferent game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on May 17, 2014, 08:13:33 am
SF4 and Asura's Wrath have completely different developers. Not sure where you're going with this.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on May 17, 2014, 08:18:05 am
no dude he's trolling you by saying something completely fucking stupid. don't waste your time
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on May 17, 2014, 08:29:54 am
SF4 and Asura's Wrath have completely different developers. Not sure where you're going with this.
Partnership bro, Capcom was still in there. But think about it though, better story (or something that looked like a story) character deigns, it would have been awesome.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on May 17, 2014, 09:07:42 am
asura's wrath had huge focus on the story because the game was one giant QTE. fighting games are the total opposite of this. you're also comparing the amount of effort put into a new game (asura's wrath) with the amount of effort put into yet another update to a game released in 2008. quit being a fucking idiot for a minute
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on May 17, 2014, 09:36:44 am
Then again, the mods were still just as messed up as SF4, maybe if they just put a little more time into them, they could smooth things out.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on May 17, 2014, 11:32:15 am
I don't really know where you're going with all those moronic posts.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on May 17, 2014, 11:38:37 am
lol i like how just ignored titiln to continue talking to himself
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on May 17, 2014, 01:45:40 pm
It looks like they re-worked the colors from the SFxT stages, they fit more visually now, and don't look copypasted. Unless they didn't actually do anything with the textures and I'm just a giant scrub.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lith on May 17, 2014, 05:20:32 pm
lol i like how just ignored titiln to continue talking to himself
what a clown
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on May 17, 2014, 06:12:39 pm
They didn't do anything with the colors, it's just foggier and at a different angle. Which is why the space station stage looks so bad; the ambient fog makes the foreground brighter and ignores the background textures making it look like an amateur import job.
Funny thing, people who backported those stages back in PC SSFIV had the same deal; same angles, same fog issues.
Most of the stages really were a cut-'n-paste job. The only real successes were Blast Furnace and Jurassic Era Research Facility, which were nearly identical to SFxT.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on May 17, 2014, 06:40:59 pm
Most of the stages really were a cut-'n-paste job. The only real successes were Blast Furnace and Jurassic Era Research Facility, which were nearly identical to SFxT.
That would take effort. Capcom isn't known for that these days.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on May 17, 2014, 06:47:28 pm
Then again, the mods were still just as messed up as SF4
i agree, if the mods werent messed up you would be banned by now
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on May 17, 2014, 08:54:40 pm
I don't get it, the dude pretty much admitted that he was trolling and flame baiting on purpose for the last 2 pages, right after a moderator posted here yet there are no repercussions whatsoever. I don't think this is worth waiting for a report to take action.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lith on May 17, 2014, 08:56:42 pm
i didn't want to report earlier but fuck it
oops i wrote shit in report twice
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on May 17, 2014, 09:08:02 pm
I don't get it, the dude pretty much admitted that he was trolling and flame baiting on purpose for the last 2 pages, right after a moderator posted here yet there are no repercussions whatsoever. I don't think this is worth waiting for a report to take action.
Which is messed up because I usually notice a mod is on my ass when I go nuts.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on May 17, 2014, 09:09:17 pm
wait people actually file reports here? makes me wonder...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on May 17, 2014, 09:15:21 pm
why wouldn't they
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on May 17, 2014, 09:19:07 pm
It's not that I don't think they would, I just always assumed the reporting and warnings were done by mods who spotted something funny in a thread. I never really put too much thought into it though.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on May 17, 2014, 09:26:31 pm
... ? Mods noticing something would talk about it directly in the warning topic. Also, the report button is available for everyone.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on May 17, 2014, 09:31:11 pm
i just woke up, i posted in this thread earlier but hadnt read it through, i assumed this was just a guy being stupid. i dont see how this is license to start derailing a thread to talk about moderation, for which i can point you all to the feedback to warnings thread, which is the proper way to address concerns with moderation.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on May 17, 2014, 09:40:41 pm
I assumed Sky was talking about SF4 mods and using that to compare how Capcom wasn't putting that much effort into USF4 (in his usual manner), and then Titiln using a play on words to say that the mods should've banned him. :-\
I'm just trying to scrap up enough money to actually get this (don't even have lunch money to spare these days).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on May 17, 2014, 09:48:46 pm
he was, titiln made a pun of it, it snowballed from there
just ignore the fucking guy ffs, he's not gonna make or break the topic for anyone except those whose skin he's getting under for some reason, iced, come take care of it
that looks fucking bad, the two games' stages are just too different, they have to do way more than what they did
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on May 17, 2014, 10:06:31 pm
Finnneee.
Guys less trolllolollbaiting and more arguing about the game, trying to bait people with bad posts is silly, dont be that silly.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on May 17, 2014, 10:10:19 pm
who are "guys", i only see one person in this thread doing that
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on May 17, 2014, 10:13:31 pm
I doubt I needed to point it out. I also doubt he was "trolling" but he is trying to save face and theres nothing wrong with it, we need to remember that everyone is human and sometimes will try to save face by doing something not appropriate , telling them to stop and hoping they will be more mature about saving face next time should be enough, I dont need to drag anyone down and give them a right beating over something so small.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on May 17, 2014, 10:18:01 pm
yea if he continues after this none of us are dumb enough not to take action
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on May 17, 2014, 10:20:28 pm
that looks fucking bad, the two games' stages are just too different, they have to do way more than what they did
I don't understand, are you saying the stages should be identical between the two games and if they don't then they're not doing enough ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on May 17, 2014, 11:55:06 pm
no, not at all really. the stages being different is fine, the way they went about "altering" some stages to make them resemble sf4 stages is what gets me; shwa's post describes it similarly in a more detailed, albeit less harsh/blunt way than i did
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on May 18, 2014, 12:31:28 am
The problem is they didn't do anything. They have barely done any voluntary adjustments on the stages. Whatever clashing there is is due to the engine itself. Like, again with Cosmic Elevator. The whole stage is filled with ambient fog because it's part of how SFIV handles depth and volume clearing. You may have noticed how even if you remove a stage's graphics in the PC version, the background isn't exactly pitch black: in fact it's kind of like some dark blue with a slight orange-ish coming off the characters.
That's exactly what causes the Blast Furnace to look so good, but also what causes the Mad Gear Hideout to look so foggy due to all the actual lighting set up all around. Meanwhile, Cosmic Elevator is unoptimized to fit that environment. Everything looks bright and completely ignores the entire material layout and lighting of SFxT, making it look really, really weird and bad.
(http://gematsu.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Decapre-USF4-Fifth-Chara.jpg) Vs. (http://media.heavy.com/media/2013/07/Stage2.jpg)
It's as if the lighting set up for it was taken from the training stage or any other daytime stage.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on May 18, 2014, 12:34:34 am
so basically, the version of the engine handles stages differently and they just ported them as is os teh stages kinda broke ?
I doubt I needed to point it out. I also doubt he was "trolling" but he is trying to save face and theres nothing wrong with it, we need to remember that everyone is human and sometimes will try to save face by doing something not appropriate ,
yah, it remidns me of teh guy who was accused of stealing some minor thing at court and his defense was that he would not steal anything because he is a drug dealer.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on May 18, 2014, 12:37:53 am
so basically, the version of the engine handles stages differently and they just ported them as is os teh stages kinda broke ?
Precisely! Default angle offsets are different to an extent as well, so it's easy to recognize how the stages have been treated. They were merely imported with internal tools without much modification outside of locking phases and changing textures.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on May 18, 2014, 01:06:04 am
The problem is they didn't do anything. They have barely done any voluntary adjustments on the stages. Whatever clashing there is is due to the engine itself. Like, again with Cosmic Elevator. The whole stage is filled with ambient fog because it's part of how SFIV handles depth and volume clearing. You may have noticed how even if you remove a stage's graphics in the PC version, the background isn't exactly pitch black: in fact it's kind of like some dark blue with a slight orange-ish coming off the characters.
That's exactly what causes the Blast Furnace to look so good, but also what causes the Mad Gear Hideout to look so foggy due to all the actual lighting set up all around. Meanwhile, Cosmic Elevator is unoptimized to fit that environment. Everything looks bright and completely ignores the entire material layout and lighting of SFxT, making it look really, really weird and bad.
(http://gematsu.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Decapre-USF4-Fifth-Chara.jpg) Vs. (http://media.heavy.com/media/2013/07/Stage2.jpg)
It's as if the lighting set up for it was taken from the training stage or any other daytime stage.
Since the SSF4's are more cartoony and bright, the stages are refit to look that way, but they do look awful and generic.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on May 18, 2014, 01:15:51 am
No. They're not. Did you even read? All I've kept saying was that they were barely even touched up.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on May 18, 2014, 01:29:56 am
Different engine rendering obviously means different look. It's irrelevant to say they were just imported, if that's what they would have looked like anyway if they had been done for this game from the start, with the same assets and same everything. Look at the characters, you get the same differences from porting the Final Fight team without any modification to SF4 as you do the stages, and we know the characters are built the same way between SF4 and SFxTK, so again, it's exactly what it would have been anyway if it had all been done for SF4 from the start.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on May 18, 2014, 01:35:58 am
It's not irrelevant to say they were just imported, though:
It's as if the lighting set up for it was taken from the training stage or any other daytime stage.
In (S)SFIV's files, stages have their configs for shading properties, either to include stock (every daytime stage), alter fog depth's color values (most stages set in the dark or with a background of a vastly different color, like Skyscraper) or omit them entirely. (any stage where the lighting itself is a focal point, like Cruise Ship Stern and the Barrels bonus stage) SFxT had none of that because it scrapped most of the fog depth in favor of actual texturing and global shading adjustments.
All of the SFxT stages ported over seems to be stuck on stock settings. Which is weird because you know they haven't bothered. But why not?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on May 18, 2014, 02:01:42 am
Ah, so there are default settings that they usually tweak individually but here they didn't, I see.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on May 18, 2014, 06:00:15 am
Shwa, would you mind telling how you know this stuff? I'm really interested in this type of thing and I wanna look into it more.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on May 18, 2014, 06:30:12 am
Simple. At one point I did minor HUD and sound mods for SFIV and I was interested in as to why nobody made complex custom stage mods. The only ones to exist were very few and relied on so many tricks that it just wasn't worth it until about over a year or so ago.
For a while, most custom stages were either vertex edits of the training stage or reskins of it, and edits of already existing ones. A few people - myself included - wanted to recreate SFxT's training stage before backporting from SFxT was made a thing, and while we had the textures (shoutouts to dantarion btw), we were unable to get rid of the ambient depth fog's color. This led to like two or so guys in the modding community to look into how the stages work in relation to the engine itself, right down to fetching the arcade version of vanilla SFIV (illegally of course) in order to find small leftovers that would help clue in on it.
Too bad nobody cared except for those whom that thing bothered. It's not something you can easily edit without messing with the core game, unless you're the ones who made it.
Which is why it's something that personally irks me as it's not so much a sign of laziness, but rather one of carelessness. If they can't do something about Cosmic Elevator looking bad, why not pick another stage? I mean shit, it's locked in the most boring phase anyway so it really does feel like a waste when some modders sacrifice so many liberties and options to make a stage feel right. Y'know, workarounds that make sense. This is official though. :/
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on May 18, 2014, 07:45:25 am
Simple. At one point I did minor HUD and sound mods for SFIV and I was interested in as to why nobody made complex custom stage mods. The only ones to exist were very few and relied on so many tricks that it just wasn't worth it until about over a year or so ago.
For a while, most custom stages were either vertex edits of the training stage or reskins of it, and edits of already existing ones. A few people - myself included - wanted to recreate SFxT's training stage before backporting from SFxT was made a thing, and while we had the textures (shoutouts to dantarion btw), we were unable to get rid of the ambient depth fog's color. This led to like two or so guys in the modding community to look into how the stages work in relation to the engine itself, right down to fetching the arcade version of vanilla SFIV (illegally of course) in order to find small leftovers that would help clue in on it.
Too bad nobody cared except for those whom that thing bothered. It's not something you can easily edit without messing with the core game, unless you're the ones who made it.
Which is why it's something that personally irks me as it's not so much a sign of laziness, but rather one of carelessness. If they can't do something about Cosmic Elevator looking bad, why not pick another stage? I mean shit, it's locked in the most boring phase anyway so it really does feel like a waste when some modders sacrifice so many liberties and options to make a stage feel right. Y'know, workarounds that make sense. This is official though. :/
You kinda know the reason why they are careless on top of that, but nice lesson on the game engine on both SSFIV and SFxT.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on May 18, 2014, 08:39:57 am
Indeed! I'm impressed Shwa, what classes are you takeing?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on May 19, 2014, 06:10:22 pm
Carnival Blanka should be banned from tournaments. That's just so damn unfair.
They are readucing the feather's size for this game. Yeah, it's annoying.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on May 22, 2014, 08:52:44 pm
You can now redeem your SSFIV AE keys bought outside of Steam on Steam. Example of how to redeem the key:
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Separate the key (origin/gfwl) with a "-" each 5 caracter/stack. "12345-12345-12345-12345-12345" Like this.
The game also got Steam achievements. They're still disabled but we're getting closer to getting rid of GFWL for good!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on May 22, 2014, 09:09:29 pm
The fact that GFWL still is a thing annoys me.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on May 23, 2014, 02:00:57 am
Capcom has just released the the final changes in preparation for the console release. (http://shoryuken.com/2014/05/22/capcom-drops-full-change-list-for-ultra-street-fighter-ivs-console-release/)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on May 23, 2014, 04:56:34 am
Nice post Uche.
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Zangief - Close Standing LK now Special-, EX Focus-, EX Red Focus-, and Super Combo-cancellable - Close stand MK advantage on hit increased by 5 frames (0F → +5F); advantage on guard increased by 2 frames (0F → +2F) - Far Standing MP hurtbox slightly expanded; hurtbox in front sticks out 1F before active - Far Standing MK disadvantage on hit decreased by 4 frames (-7F → -3F); disadvantage on block reduced by 3 frames (-10F → -7F) - Crouch LK advantage on hit increased by 1 frame (+4F → +5F)
I am pleased with the normal buffs to the 'Gief. Also,
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Sakura - Far standing HP now Special-, EX Focus-, EX Red Focus-, and Super Combo-cancellable
sounds good.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on May 23, 2014, 06:48:01 am
Capcom has just released the the final changes in preparation for the console release. (http://shoryuken.com/2014/05/22/capcom-drops-full-change-list-for-ultra-street-fighter-ivs-console-release/)
It looks like Juri's U2 is a bit more useful for getting her Dive Kick - 2nd Impact - 3rd Strike > U2 down easier....maybe.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on May 23, 2014, 03:11:10 pm
If you have SFxT save data, you can get the alternate outfits of the 5 new characters for free. http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2014/may/23/new-alternative-costumes-ultra-street-fighter-4-shown-decapre-elena-hugo-poison-and-rolento-free-people-who-have-sfxt-save-data/
Yeah. In fact, he's the world's deadliest janitor. I can only imagine what he would do if a toilet got plugged up.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on May 23, 2014, 03:34:47 pm
Please tell me PC Please tell me GFWL SFxTK save will work for Steam USF4
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on May 23, 2014, 03:45:51 pm
SFIV savedata gave you colors 11 and 12 in SSFIV AE yet they never unlocked properly on PC nor was that glitch ever fixed. I hope they go the extra mile this time and just give us colors 11 and 12 + allow the PC version to just read if you own that cancerous game known as SFxT on Steam and unlock the costumes that way rather than depend on reading GFWL savedata (I still regret that purchase sooooooo much).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on May 23, 2014, 05:11:48 pm
Viking Hugo is the best thing ever.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on May 23, 2014, 06:39:55 pm
Also if that earlier picture meant anything, trolling with Decapre (which I planned to do anyway) looks like it will be fun.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on May 28, 2014, 12:18:13 am
Some AE news: http://www.capcom-unity.com/street_fighter/blog/2014/05/27/ssfivae-gfwl-to-steamworks-transition
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What's up guys? I know there are a lot of you out there who are playing SSFIVAE on Games For Windows Live (GFWL) and are wondering what will happen once GFWL goes down. Well today, I bring you the info on how to transition from GFWL to Steam. Keep reading below to see how.
As Ultra Street Fighter IV is coming out soon for Steam, we are looking to transition our current GFWL users over to Steamworks in order to provide the optimal level of support across the board for PC Street Fighter fans. We’ve been working behind the scenes to ensure that this change will be as seamless as possible, but for users who still wish to continue using GFWL, the game will still function as normal for the foreseeable future.
The transition from GFWL to Steamworks will take place on May 30, 2014. In order to make this change go as smoothly as possible, follow the directions below according to the case you fall under.
1. You bought Super Street Fighter IV AE for Steam.
On May 30, 2014, the transition from GFWL to Steamworks will happen, and your GFWL enabled game will still function as normal for the foreseeable future. You will automatically be able to download the Steamworks version of the game via the Steam client for free. Once you boot up the new version of the game, it will prompt you to copy over your GFWL save data. Select “YES” and you’ll be ready to go! 2. You bought Super Street Fighter IV AE for Games For Windows Live (retail package version).
On May 30, 2014, the transition from GFWL to Steamworks will happen, and your GFWL enabled game will still function as normal for the foreseeable future. You will be able to receive the Steam/Steamworks version of the game simply by inputting your original GFWL product activation code into the “Activate a Product on Steam…” option in the Steam client. i. Customers can find their GFWL activation codes on the back of the instruction manual that came with the retail package. Code Redeem Process: i. Launch the Steam client software and log into your Steam account. ii. Click the Games Menu. iii. Choose Activate a Product on Steam... iv. Follow the onscreen instructions to complete the process. Once you’ve successfully redeemed your code, you will be able to download the Steamworks version of the game. Once you boot up the new version of the game, it will prompt you to copy over your GFWL save data. If you select “YES” the game will copy over the latest save file. Make sure that’s the one you want before going through the process! Unfortunately, both paid and free DLC will not be transferred over in this process.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on May 28, 2014, 12:47:02 am
That's right, I need to check out if my PC can even run this damn thing.
Balancing Ultra Street Fighter IV. (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/05/27/balancing-ultra-street-fighter-iv/)
Combofiend said:
After going through the most common changes requested by fans that addressed immediate weaknesses, we started looking at some of the more unique requests that came in. Some of them came out of left field, so we had to see if they made sense, as they would change the way a character has been historically designed to play. In other words, if a character was primarily defensive, they would receive offensive tools and if they were primarily offensive, they would receive defensive tools. This way, a majority of the cast would feel well rounded and therefore overall fun.
Once all of the initial changes went in, we took the characters to a slew of location tests around the world, where players let me and a few of my colleagues from Capcom know directly if the changes implemented were what they imagined or if they still felt off. It was at these location tests that players realized that changes that seemed pretty grand on paper turned out to be not as big as they thought they would be, while other changes that seemed small, actually had impact. Once we received feedback, we went back and made modifications and then went out once more. After doing this for about six months, we’ve finally ended up with characters that we think players will be very happy with.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on May 28, 2014, 10:34:06 pm
Going to be up all Tuesday night/Wednesday moring when this comes out on 360. So hyped for this! :buttrox:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sheng Long on May 28, 2014, 11:54:08 pm
What the hell? Who is this? Looks like M.Bison's evil smile, but the costume doesn't fit him.
It's Rolento
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on May 29, 2014, 02:01:43 am
Just got a copy of Super Street Fighter 4: Arcade edition. Getting a PS3 and a card on Friday so I can start getting prepared!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DMK on May 29, 2014, 03:17:56 am
Achievements for Ultra are up. Standard affair of beat the game, ranked stuff and team mode. (http://www.xboxachievements.com/game/super-street-fighter-iv/achievements/)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on May 30, 2014, 08:24:52 pm
Have to work so I'll make this quick. http://shoryuken.com/2014/05/30/public-service-announcement-ultra-street-fighter-iv-update-causing-issues-on-playstation-3/ (http://shoryuken.com/2014/05/30/public-service-announcement-ultra-street-fighter-iv-update-causing-issues-on-playstation-3/)
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With the release of Ultra Street Fighter IV right around the corner, folks on PlayStation 3 are now able to download and install the update early in anticipation of its June 3 launch date. However, it seems that the update is causing some issues for those with the original disc version of Super Street Fighter IV in combination with the Arcade Edition digital update.
Based on reports from our own forums as well as from Capcom-Unity, installing the 3.5 GB update if you have the combination listed above will revert your game back to Super without the updated content for Arcade Edition.
That said, there is a quick fix for this issue. Players simply have to re-download the Arcade Edition update as well as the ver. 2012 patch from the PlayStation Network and the game will be able to run normally, but your mileage may vary.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on June 03, 2014, 03:23:33 pm
I just got the update and played it a little this morning! I only had time to play some Juri, thought. I really like her. She's really easy to play imo. I'm also playing Ken and Yang, but I'm not really good with Yang. In fact I'm not really good at this game. I haven't figured out to EX FADC yet, and I'm not very consistent with combos and normal FADCing. I only won one only match so far lol. I play a lot on arcade on hardest for practice.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on June 03, 2014, 03:39:45 pm
I think you got mixed up here. There's the action of starting a Focus Attack, then dashing out of it, and then there's the action of performing a special like a Shouryuuken, then interrupting it with a Focus, and dashing out of that. This in itself is an EX action (it costs EX bar), and FADC usually refers to that (and not a simple focus canceled with a dash). FADC <=> EX FADC, the EX is not some different version of it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on June 03, 2014, 04:35:45 pm
WHAT? I remember Combofiend or other Capcom folk saying we were going to have new trials in the game :(
Awww man.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on June 03, 2014, 04:40:00 pm
New trials are still coming, but they also said it would be delayed. I think they'll put up another update for it at the same time as the disk release, or at the same time as something else, I don't remember what...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on June 03, 2014, 04:41:03 pm
Good. Maybe with the physical release?
This is a quick upload a friend made from his PS3. Quality is decent, but it seems like the video is sub-30fps. Like 20 or 24. Dunno. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxAg3KFdegs
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on June 03, 2014, 05:20:54 pm
The quality is pretty good for what it's supposed to be.
IGN rated it a 9.0 with no cons. http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/06/03/ultra-street-fighter-4-review
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on June 03, 2014, 06:09:28 pm
And Desk does it again: Perfect Red Focus... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gEf1oIgdHI
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on June 03, 2014, 07:01:51 pm
I think you got mixed up here. There's the action of starting a Focus Attack, then dashing out of it, and then there's the action of performing a special like a Shouryuuken, then interrupting it with a Focus, and dashing out of that. This in itself is an EX action (it costs EX bar), and FADC usually refers to that (and not a simple focus canceled with a dash). FADC <=> EX FADC, the EX is not some different version of it.
Yeah, I did. I'm pretty new to this game since I didn't know any of the mechanics when my uncle had the Vanilla version some years back.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on June 03, 2014, 07:32:27 pm
And Desk does it again: Perfect Red Focus... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gEf1oIgdHI
Wow, Perfect Red Focus seems extremely powerful once you get used to it...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on June 03, 2014, 10:35:21 pm
It's one-frame-window tech and depends heavily on the string of attacks the oponent chooses to use, but who knows... maybe someone as PR Rog will be able to pull it consistently.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: videoman on June 04, 2014, 06:49:48 am
The quality is pretty good for what it's supposed to be.
IGN rated it a 9.0 with no cons. http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/06/03/ultra-street-fighter-4-review
I like to see other reviews from Gamespot, siliconera,Game Trailers, and ect Gamespot Gave it an 8 - Still no love for Trials mode - YouTube uploading doesn't currently function http://www.gamespot.com/reviews/ultra-street-fighter-iv-review/1900-6415780/
Is is good yes but perfect no. They could have added a training mode in Endless battle wile waiting for opponents. Added a tutorial mode. they could take the trend from other recent fighting games and added a story mode. Could had added color edit mode from SFxT.
If I review it I'll give a 7
From Desk Elena loop combo by using LK and ex Mallet Smash! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXXOIYaLh98
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on June 04, 2014, 08:47:40 am
Umm what happened to Endless Mode w/ Edition Select?
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Capcom’s Yoshinori Ono Says That They’ll Think About Adding Edition Select To Ultra Street Fighter IV’s Online Endless Battle Mode
When Edition Select was announced for Ultra Street Fighter IV, a few players were disappointed that it would be an offline mode only. Now, in a reply to a tweet from DvN|Wa1rior, Capcom’s Yoshinori Oni has stated that they will consider adding Edition Select to the game’s non-ranked Endless Battle online mode.
They could have added a training mode in Endless battle wile waiting for opponents. Added a tutorial mode. they could take the trend from other recent fighting games and added a story mode. Could had added color edit mode from SFxT.
It also needed Karin. :P
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Although I'm being serious of course
lol review sites.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on June 04, 2014, 11:00:29 am
Is youtube support not up yet? From reading the instructions it should pop up, but I keep getting an error. I mean, it could be Xbox's fault.
It works on PSN, but it's really goofy. Basically, they give you a code which you type in at http://google.com/device/ which authorizes it to upload to your account. (You mean you can't upload unless you have a PC nearby? ....the fuck?) Not sure how it works for XBox.
Also, air throw combos are my new crack. :P Still maining Juri, but I definitely plan to spend more than 5 minutes learning Decapre.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on June 04, 2014, 12:59:12 pm
Can you finally select the stage when playing training mode?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on June 04, 2014, 01:37:55 pm
(You mean you can't upload unless you have a PC nearby? ....the fuck?)
Can't you use the console's browser ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: videoman on June 04, 2014, 02:25:49 pm
It also needed Karin. :P
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Although I'm being serious of course
I haven't given up on that. But I don't want to annoy you guys with it like I was in past. At Least they added Elena.
Also I am being reasonable and they can add those features as post release patches and DLC. Since they do want new Ideas for new features.
I have taken the liberty to make this Q&A but Capcom hasn't responded yet.
http://www.capcom-unity.com/ask_capcom/go/thread/view/7371/30258775/ultra-street-fighter-iv-qa The Q&A may have some questions that are not in the game but I'm giving them Ideas on what they can do for Street Fighter in the future.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on June 04, 2014, 02:41:11 pm
Videoman in that Capcom-Unity thread said:
To say this bluntly this tread decides if this game is worth my time and money for.
Ahahaha I thought you couldn't be any more ridiculous with your Karin Karin Karin.
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This thread will not end till Capcom answers all of them even if it takes hours, days, months or even years!
The reason I asked for story mode because I feel like Street Fighter has no real cannon storyline I think it is time for Capcom to tell the real story of S.I.N saga. (Since Capcom haven't acknowledge the OVA's and the comics are part of the games cannon they are nothing more to promote the game)
Just... just get out already.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: videoman on June 04, 2014, 03:30:04 pm
Fine I was crazy making those comments but at least I haven't given up and not locked.
Also I did made tread focusing on that issue. http://www.capcom-unity.com/ask_capcom/go/thread/view/7371/30242383/when-karin-is-going-to-be-playable-revised?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on June 04, 2014, 03:31:35 pm
jesus christ
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I know I have asked many times before but this time I want real answers not a response! I want to know why she is not in all the versions of SFIV and when she is going to be playable and what should I do about it?
I want to now why I have asked and waited she hasn't been in SFIV since the beginning she would have been perfect in Street Fighter X Tekken and she is a no show! Whats the point of having her in that poll if you guys are not going to add her in?
I want to hear it from a Capcom employee who have worked on the game like Ono or Ayano. I want an update involving this issue and fixed the stupid copyrights against her. All I want is answers not a response! I know she not made by Capcom but she is made for Street Fighter and that should be enough!
you got a metric ton of demands and nitpicks and you seem completely convinced you got to be answered personally by those people.
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Just to remind you guys I made this tread so Capcom can send to the developers at the Japan branch. Also to find any updates concerning Karin in the future.
Even If this thread ends I won't stop until Capcom add Karin for street Fighter or a appropriate VS. game and not end up in a stupid cellphone game.
Lmao whats with all the threats.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on June 04, 2014, 03:36:59 pm
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I has been a week and I still haven't get a answer from Ono san or Capcom USA LTD. To me I am not really asking Capcom employees but the unity members. That's fine but it would be nice if the employees respond as well and answer this question professionally instead of ignoring it!
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It has been 3 weeks since and I still haven't got a answer from a Capcom employee. I feel like you guys afraid of answer my question regarding when is Karin Kanzuki is going to be playable. This is Ask Capcom and I expect Capcom employees to answer not ignore it. I am sick of getting a responses all I want is answers and going to the directors twitters is a waste of my own time if they are not going to answer!
im dying here
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: videoman on June 04, 2014, 03:43:58 pm
OK I was insane. Maybe if I was less treating I would have my questions answered a little more quickly.
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True, but once upon a time, it used to be more conclusive to the individual artists over the giant corporations here in the US, as well. It really should be this way.
If an sole illustrator / writer, making 50k per year or less, comes up with a hit character, the published materials that character was used in make the corporation big $ and then they have to court that creator's mind with a higher fee and licensing rights the next time they want to feature them. The creator is awarded for coming up with a really good character, the same way a CEO gets his golden parachute for tanking the company into the ditch...oh wait.
If Japan has kept its laws in favor of the individual creator, then I should move to Japan immediately, because things just get more skewed here all the time. [quote/]
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on June 04, 2014, 03:45:59 pm
you are not being answered because you come across as a crazy person and its routine to not engage crazy persons. Not that usually companies would answer questions like those, but the moment someone reads something like "This thread will not end until im satisfied" they class you as crazy and no one will answer you ever.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on June 04, 2014, 03:49:25 pm
You could, I don't know, let it go as well.
Having a favorite character is fine but you seem a bit obsessed.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on June 04, 2014, 04:07:35 pm
It works on PSN, but it's really goofy. Basically, they give you a code which you type in at http://google.com/device/ which authorizes it to upload to your account. (You mean you can't upload unless you have a PC nearby? ....the fuck?) Not sure how it works for XBox.
You only have to do this once.
I don't get how the quality of the uploads are choosen. A friend uploaded a video and it's crisp 720p. I uploaded one and it only gets 360p. Both from PS3.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on June 04, 2014, 05:37:39 pm
probably has something to do with the overall connection
ask them what their connection speed is
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on June 04, 2014, 05:51:32 pm
I thought so, but my connection is "better" than his connection.
Also, I wanted to ask: Did someone preorder the upgrade for Xbox360 at Gamestop? These guys listed the upgrade on their webpage and when you redeem the code is nothing more than $15 to be added to your wallet. Several friends did this and are very upset. They are still waiting to see what the hell is going on.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Ehat on June 04, 2014, 06:00:46 pm
I thought so, but my connection is "better" than his connection.
Also, I wanted to ask: Did someone preorder the upgrade for Xbox360 at Gamestop? These guys listed the upgrade on their webpage and when you redeem the code is nothing more than $15 to be added to your wallet. Several friends did this and are very upset. They are still waiting to see what the hell is going on.
Yeah the code gives you $16 on your account that you use to buy ultra and for 360 users you also get the costume pack as well with the purchase.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on June 04, 2014, 06:14:59 pm
I assume you get the costume pack as a separate code?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on June 04, 2014, 07:03:12 pm
I assume the code you redeemed from Gamestop must have a special tag to it. You didn't just get any regular code, you got a Gamestop specific USF4 Pre-Order Code which must access a file with the extra feature of costumes.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on June 04, 2014, 07:32:11 pm
How is getting the complete edition of USF4 would work as DLC?
I know that buying the retail version will give you all the costumes, but how does that work for the digital version again?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on June 04, 2014, 08:50:28 pm
Well, the incentive for getting ANOTHER disc at the $40 USD mark is that you get extras.
If you already had the SUPER disc ($40) + AE DLC ($15), you're only buying the 5 new characters in ULTRA (+$15)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on June 04, 2014, 08:51:47 pm
Well, the incentive for getting ANOTHER disc at the $40 USD mark is that you get extras.
If you already had the SUPER disc ($40) + AE DLC ($15), you're only buying the 5 new characters in ULTRA (+$15)
Yeah, I'm just gonna buy the disc then(new or used, I don't really know), I want all of those costumes.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on June 04, 2014, 08:54:13 pm
Exactly.
To be honest, I bought SF4 for PS3 (and that got stolen), and then SUPER for 360, then AE + All costumes (because the first batch of SF4 costumes got a price cut when SUPER came out) AE and new Costumes ... so I juist need the ULTRA update and I'll be set in the 360.
But I'll buy the disc for PS3 because I'm getting all of that same value for $40 only :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Ehat on June 04, 2014, 09:13:21 pm
Funny thing about it though was that I didn't pre-order USFIV. What I was told from the game stop employee was that if you bought the digital download from them for X360 you get the costumes free regardless. Not sure if there's anything that has to deal with a special code but yeah, that's how I got the costumes.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: videoman on June 05, 2014, 03:34:32 am
That is one thing I will not do and it is not over. I wait for E3 to get my questions answered since they are going to be there.
Do anyone have the cellphone game called Street Fighter X Capcom? Because Karin may be in that game if she is that means they have fixed the copyright against her.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on June 05, 2014, 03:40:30 am
That's right, keep fighting; the Karin Kanzuki fanclub will not be denied and our princess will one day make her glorious return. give up
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on June 05, 2014, 03:46:00 am
Lol, wow... That's rich.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on June 05, 2014, 03:47:56 am
Do anyone have the cellphone game called Street Fighter X Capcom? Because Karin may be in that game if she is that means they have fixed the copyright against her.
i'm afraid i've got some bad news
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on June 05, 2014, 04:03:51 am
That is one thing I will not do and it is not over.
Stop, seriously. You're absolutely unreasonable, self-entitled and overall a a walking joke.
She'll come back whenever she comes back and if she doesn't then too bad, it doesn't matter how hard you push it, your opinion has no weight on whether she'll be in the next game or not and you're not entitled to get answers from Capcom, Ayano, Ono or anyone else, they don't owe you a single thing.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Ehat on June 05, 2014, 04:05:29 am
That is one thing I will not do and it is not over. I wait for E3 to get my questions answered since they are going to be there.
Do anyone have the cellphone game called Street Fighter X Capcom? Because Karin may be in that game if she is that means they have fixed the copyright against her.
Okay and I wanted R. Mika in USFIV but you don't see me crusading about it. Take everyone's advice and deal with it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on June 05, 2014, 05:12:38 am
Personally I would love to see Karin in Queen's Blade for its the only way a dream clash between her and Lili would ever occur.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on June 05, 2014, 05:25:39 am
^ I like this guy.
But yeah, what everyone else said.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on June 05, 2014, 06:57:11 am
That is one thing I will not do and it is not over. I wait for E3 to get my questions answered since they are going to be there.
Do anyone have the cellphone game called Street Fighter X Capcom? Because Karin may be in that game if she is that means they have fixed the copyright against her.
Okay and I wanted R. Mika in USFIV but you don't see me crusading about it. Take everyone's advice and deal with it.
Same here. Your character isn't coming back, stop it before you make it worse.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: videoman on June 05, 2014, 02:28:56 pm
That is one thing I will not do and it is not over. I wait for E3 to get my questions answered since they are going to be there.
Do anyone have the cellphone game called Street Fighter X Capcom? Because Karin may be in that game if she is that means they have fixed the copyright against her.
Okay and I wanted R. Mika in USFIV but you don't see me crusading about it. Take everyone's advice and deal with it.
Same here. Your character isn't coming back, stop it before you make it worse.
I have dealt with it and I know she is not going to be in USFIV and I am fine with Elena. But there is a chance she may be in Tekken X Street Fighter, as post release DLC or Street Fighter V! (In 2018) I will not bother you guys about it since you guy don't have the answers.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on June 05, 2014, 02:45:31 pm
I hope Q returns, or maybe Urien... And Sean...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on June 05, 2014, 03:10:09 pm
Spoiler: holy hell, please don't do this(click to see content)
That is one thing I will not do and it is not over. I wait for E3 to get my questions answered since they are going to be there.
Do anyone have the cellphone game called Street Fighter X Capcom? Because Karin may be in that game if she is that means they have fixed the copyright against her.
Okay and I wanted R. Mika in USFIV but you don't see me crusading about it. Take everyone's advice and deal with it.
Same here. Your character isn't coming back, stop it before you make it worse.
I have dealt with it and I know she is not going to be in USFIV and I am fine with Elena. But there is a chance she may be in Tekken X Street Fighter, as post release DLC or Street Fighter V! (In 2018) I will not bother you guys about it since you guy don't have the answers.
Takes up nearly 10x more space than my one line post.
I just want to see Capcom Gals Fighters come true one day (even if it's mindless mobile gaming fanservice). :(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on June 05, 2014, 03:12:32 pm
Hey guys, I'm up for a few games Friday night. I don't have internet right now because I need to pay my bill, (I'm typing this at school), but by Friday I'll be ready. I must warn you guys, I royally suck at this game lol.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on June 05, 2014, 03:30:36 pm
That is one thing I will not do and it is not over. I wait for E3 to get my questions answered since they are going to be there.
Do anyone have the cellphone game called Street Fighter X Capcom? Because Karin may be in that game if she is that means they have fixed the copyright against her.
Okay and I wanted R. Mika in USFIV but you don't see me crusading about it. Take everyone's advice and deal with it.
Same here. Your character isn't coming back, stop it before you make it worse.
I have dealt with it and I know she is not going to be in USFIV and I am fine with Elena. But there is a chance she may be in Tekken X Street Fighter, as post release DLC or Street Fighter V! (In 2018) I will not bother you guys about it since you guy don't have the answers.
Takes up nearly 10x more space than my one line post.
I just want to see Capcom Gals Fighters come true one day (even if it's mindless mobile gaming fanservice). :(
I second this notion...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on June 05, 2014, 05:04:23 pm
Since us, the PC master race will be stuck with AE for 2 more months I'll at least post some of the new tweaks the game is going to get this weekend:
(http://i.imgur.com/K1Zw2P3.png)
Finally, colors 11 and 12 getting unlocked for everybody!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on June 06, 2014, 01:09:24 am
The balance changes videos for all 39 fighters that appeared in AE are finally complete, view your character here. (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnJYUs2wpsOLoDbMxFy6MPsLIszKBCfeS)
The 5 new characters won't get one for obvious reasons, but might end up with a demonstration video or something.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on June 06, 2014, 02:56:13 am
Those Makoto nerfs are pretty...jeez. I mean the buffs are nice, but jeez. I guess I should've known, it almost looked like Makoto wouldn't have such a hard time but somebody was like "she's almost above average, nerf her shit". salt salt salt
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on June 06, 2014, 03:11:42 am
Giving Ibuki that much freedom off TC6 and TC8 is going to be fun to watch.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on June 06, 2014, 03:20:27 am
Yeah, I'm liking Ibuki's changes a lot.
Only 'koto nerf I have an issue with is the L-Tsurugi nerf, but EX Fukiage is a nice buff to make up for it (and she has other ways to overwhelm the living hell out of of someone anyway). Ultra nerfs don't really bother me.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on June 06, 2014, 03:50:23 am
Elena is fun, but the learning curve is killing me :P She can combo UltraI out of some EX moves and Target Combos (corner only).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on June 06, 2014, 05:20:17 am
The balance changes videos for all 39 fighters that appeared in AE are finally complete, view your character here. (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnJYUs2wpsOLoDbMxFy6MPsLIszKBCfeS)
they could take the trend from other recent fighting games and added a story mode.
With what money?
Well, I suppose they could do a bunch of long text pieces like KOFXIII but I doubt they had money for all that writing and I doubt that's what you mean.
I will not bother you guys about it since you guy don't have the answers.
Here are the answers: Karin is unique among the Street Fighter cast in that she was created by a manga artist. Unlike the similarly creator-owned Strider, Karin has never necessitated a copyright logo in any of the games she's appeared in; however, it seems likely that things have changed. Ono has commented that they couldn't put Karin in SFxT was because of the rights issues, and she did not appear in that Street Fighter X Capcom game, which would require negligible development time (grab art of Karin from a previous game, slap some stats on here, and you're done). Thus, it is a fair conclusion to make that Karin presents a set of legal issues surrounding her that Capcom is not inclined to spend money on disentangling, because the return would not be worth the cost.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on June 06, 2014, 05:57:31 am
Well, with all of these Karin fans, they might be able to pay for those rights for another game...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on June 06, 2014, 05:59:31 am
Something funny is that Udon can use her still. Though they also localized the manga she debuted in so they probably have the rights due to that.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on June 06, 2014, 06:08:54 am
Please tell me that Juri's U2 is actually faster than before and can combo far easier than ever?
Please god tell me that her U2 is FINALLY WORTH SOMETHING!
It's the exact same speed. And her U2 has always been worth something, you just have to know how/when to use it. It's not an Ultra that you can just whip out and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on June 06, 2014, 08:23:06 am
Please tell me that Juri's U2 is actually faster than before and can combo far easier than ever?
Please god tell me that her U2 is FINALLY WORTH SOMETHING!
It's the exact same speed. And her U2 has always been worth something, you just have to know how/when to use it. It's not an Ultra that you can just whip out and hope for the best.
Alright, it's mainly the fact I rarely see people play Juri seriously enough AND have U2 and use it well on top of that. And usually, I have no idea when to use her U2 effectively on top of that since it always seemed to come out mega slow to me.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on June 06, 2014, 04:34:08 pm
GUILE NERF?!?!?!?! D:
ROSE / DEE JAY / DAN BUFFS!! :D
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on June 06, 2014, 05:40:37 pm
Bison buffs are delicious. Been kicking ass with him online for two days.
On the other side: I hate Decapre. Is annoying and I haven't found how to punish some of her moves, specially the "Berserker Barrage".
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on June 06, 2014, 07:06:04 pm
Man, I expected them to give everybody their own rival fight cutscenes for arcade mode, including the AE characters. I know it's nothing really important for the tourneyfags but God damn it I would've liked this version to be the definitive one at everything. No extra rival battles, no gallery mode coming back, probably not even a way to watch endings you already unlocked :(
Oh well, at least the new trials are going to be added in a couple of months.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on June 06, 2014, 11:41:22 pm
Bison buffs are delicious. Been kicking ass with him online for two days.
On the other side: I hate Decapre. Is annoying and I haven't found how to punish some of her moves, specially the "Berserker Barrage".
You've had a better time than me lol.
I've actually beaten 2 Decapres before, but Hugo, that giant bastard, scares the shit out of me. I've been getting into Gief. He's very fun for a grappler. I also really like Makoto, but I can't figure out any good strategies for her. Juri, Ken, and Abel will always be my true loves though.
Btw, I've got my internet working back again. Anyone want to play a few rounds later on? My PSN is the same as my username.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on June 07, 2014, 12:04:48 am
I know my grappler matchups (Zangief, Hawk, Hakkan) but I'm having problems with Hugo too because his hurtboxes are weird. HK Spam doesn't work well :P
I have Makoto as my pocket character, so I have a few tips. Your gameplan with Makoto is finding a way to get in and then stun the enemy. Makoto's dash is really long, so you can use it in certain situations, but a player that knows the matchup will be punishing you if you mindlessly dash, so your options are using moves like F+MP, F+LK, F+MK F+HK (hold) as your movement options.
Specifically, Makoto has good: -Focus Attack. It moves forward and has big range. -Pokes. F+MP, F+LK and cr.MP are really good. -EX Fukiage. Use it for combos. I prefer using it over of EX Hayate because I got a combo extender anywhere on the stage.
Also, learn your hayate feints and mix them up with karakusas. For example, if I manage to grab someone with a karakusa, sometimes instead of going for raw damage, I connect MP xx Hayate xx Hayate Feint, Karakusa for more stun. I managed to connect 3 Karakusas in a row to a poor soul once... next thing he knew was he was dizzy.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Ehat on June 07, 2014, 03:24:08 pm
Okay so Elena is a damn good character for anyone that prefers a more footsie based character. Her ground game is GAWD LIEK but her jumping game is terrible since she shoots to the sky like a damn rocket. Anyone can easily punish her in the air so you have to watch out for that but that foot work tho, so sexy!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: videoman on June 07, 2014, 06:23:58 pm
I understand but there is a chance in the next game they are not going to ignore her. They might have I already know she is not made by Capcom but she is made for Street Fighter!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on June 07, 2014, 06:26:45 pm
:smash: No, there isn't any chance.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on June 07, 2014, 10:53:03 pm
Is it more Karin stuff? Dear god.............
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on June 07, 2014, 10:59:19 pm
See ? You're even causing anguish to Dorae with this !
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on June 07, 2014, 11:26:50 pm
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: videoman on June 08, 2014, 05:08:52 am
There is always a chance why? As long she is part of Street Fighter there's always a chance. I don't care if you guys don't like her or not or she's not made by Capcom she is made for Street Fighter and that's good enough!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpkEsLfCAAEIL1p.jpg:large) This may be fake but if it is true this roster is 10 times better than Street Fighter X Tekken and no stupid GEMS or Pandora!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on June 08, 2014, 05:25:55 am
:cawg:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on June 08, 2014, 05:33:05 am
There is always a chance why? As long she is part of Street Fighter there's always a chance. I don't care if you guys don't like her or not or she's not made by Capcom she is made for Street Fighter and that's good enough!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpkEsLfCAAEIL1p.jpg:large) This may be fake but if it is true this roster is 10 times better than Street Fighter X Tekken and no stupid GEMS or Pandora!
I think this is the SF4 thread...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on June 08, 2014, 06:39:05 am
so I heard karin is not making it to this version of sf.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on June 08, 2014, 06:43:43 am
But have they revealed the fifth character yet?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SlenderMan on June 08, 2014, 10:26:35 am
I've been kickin some ass with Rolento. new characters seem great so far.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on June 08, 2014, 04:55:35 pm
Please, stop fapping about Karin. If you need a Loli for touching your wand, there's a lot of Touhou shit.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: J-Grug on June 08, 2014, 05:46:06 pm
Anybody know who started this "WHERES KARIN!?" crap!? Ain't nobody wants a got-damn sakura look-alike!
So anyway. Raise your hand if u think they should've saved the red focus for Street Fighter 5. It looks like a HUGGEEE game changer. (Not that I would know lol)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Speedpreacher on June 08, 2014, 05:53:33 pm
Karin's not a Sakura look-alike. Karin plays and looks completely different from Sakura. There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to have Karin in the game. But there's absolutely something wrong with being so obsessed you're painting a picture of yourself as doing pullups with a Karin tattoo on your back in front of a shrine to Karin.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on June 08, 2014, 06:26:59 pm
I guess Ken looks like Ryu because karate gi, and Zangief looks like Hugo because wrestlers. There does need to be more Sakura look-alikes though.
And bleh at any focus attack for SF5, something different please.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on June 08, 2014, 07:31:20 pm
The Ryu-Ken example is the worst you could've came up with, they're literally headswaps :V
Rather use Ryu-Akuma or Ryu-Gouken for that.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on June 08, 2014, 07:37:41 pm
Anybody know who started this "WHERES KARIN!?" crap!? Ain't nobody wants a got-damn sakura look-alike!
fucking speak for yourself. i would like to see karin in a new street fighter game, but it's absolutely not a dealbreaker to me. they have a similar body build but they play nothing alike
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on June 08, 2014, 07:40:06 pm
Yeah I was thinking of using Balrog-Dudley instead but didn't really care at that point.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Mgbenz on June 08, 2014, 08:00:02 pm
Karin did start out as a Sakura headswap but that's besides the point. Her moves are completely unique and being a Sakura headswap wouldn't take anything from it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: J-Grug on June 08, 2014, 08:27:25 pm
That's why I said look alike and not clone / palette swap.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on June 08, 2014, 09:27:05 pm
saying sakura and karin look alike is the same as saying lili and asuka look alike
they look nothing alike in any way
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on June 08, 2014, 09:39:06 pm
Hey I'm a Juli fan who wants her to be in a Street Fighter, and you don't see me bitching about it!
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
It was, however, a very "Awww man" moment when Decapre was announced, because they did use a doll, just not the one I wanted. :(
Probably gonna pick it up sometime tonight or tomorrow. I dunno, my SF fever has kind of subsided, but Elena and Rolento and Hugo are in now, so...?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on June 08, 2014, 09:55:31 pm
Karin did start out as a Sakura headswap but that's besides the point. Her moves are completely unique and being a Sakura headswap wouldn't take anything from it.
And even then, she was a headswap only in her unfinished MSH appearance; her SFA3 sprites are all new, with no basis in Sakura's.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on June 08, 2014, 11:48:22 pm
Well, I want Q or Sean to appear again. Hopefully, that will be the next new returns before Karin.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on June 09, 2014, 01:19:54 am
At least the characters you guys like are at the very least "plausible". me and my fucking undying love for the EX series. no love for us 9 people that play it...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on June 09, 2014, 01:21:38 am
I just got finished fighting the number 1 Bison online. It was hell.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on June 09, 2014, 04:54:16 pm
Haha, no. I'm not the #1 Bison player in the online rankings. I consider myself pretty decent, and even good, but not THAT good. Can you upload a replay or tell me the ID of that player so I can stalk him a bit?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Cazaki on June 09, 2014, 05:05:10 pm
I also play Bison I was ranked like #55 last night. I'm pretty garb tho if I do say so myself, I feel like a lot of my wins and most wins I see from Bison players is that half of the people that play online don't know the matchup haha. Guys trying to punish devils reverse with srks are my fav <3. Though some chars can actually do it >:(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: GLB on June 09, 2014, 05:59:05 pm
I wasn't too unhappy with Decapre. She plays kinda fun.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on June 09, 2014, 07:17:18 pm
Haha, no. I'm not the #1 Bison player in the online rankings. I consider myself pretty decent, and even good, but not THAT good. Can you upload a replay or tell me the ID of that player so I can stalk him a bit?
The guy's ID was ANBU-EVA-01, iirc. He used the Cyber Bison costume. His rushdown game, omg. I found myself KOed in a matter of seconds.
As for rankings, I'm like the #250 something Juri player right now. I keep getting beat by lame tactics. This was always a common thing with me though. I need to study the matchups more and improve my footsy game. There was so many goddamn times where I could've won, but I rush and screw up.
Also, I've been running into a hell of a lot of Ryus online.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on June 09, 2014, 07:22:16 pm
Karin's not a Sakura look-alike. Karin plays and looks completely different from Sakura. There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to have Karin in the game. But there's absolutely something wrong with being so obsessed you're painting a picture of yourself as doing pullups with a Karin tattoo on your back in front of a shrine to Karin.
I don't have any of those things you mention as I told you guys before I do like Street Fighter but not a total fan of it. I don't even like SFIV as much as the other Street Fighter games. Elena is my first choice all I want to know if Karin be available in the future. Also I don't care if you guys don't like her or not. She is always a part of Street Fighter that is one thing that will not change.
I am not obsessed but I want an update on the legal issues on Karin but at least they are doing a stream on their upcoming and release games. I will ask Capcom even if chance of them answering are slim.
I feel like a lot of my wins and most wins I see from Bison players is that half of the people that play online don't know the matchup haha.
Haha, sometimes I feel like that. But cheer up, just think you are outplaying and making mixups like a god. Are you on XBL or PSN?
XBL GT: Carlton Junior2
And yeah I think about it like that from time to time but I recognize when someone's flat out better
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on June 10, 2014, 01:42:55 am
Videoman, for real. LET IT GO. I like Karin too but we are all sick of you going on and on about it. It's becoming disruptive to the thread. Stop.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on June 10, 2014, 03:02:45 am
next time he brings that up specifically, ban him from the thread, kind of like how it's done to people who just criticize otehr people's looks in the post your pciture thread (without posting their own pictures).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on June 10, 2014, 04:16:04 pm
USF4 in the early lineup for PS Now. (http://shoryuken.com/2014/06/09/playstation-now-beta-opens-in-north-america-on-july-31-ultra-street-fighter-iv-included-in-early-lineup/) Would be cool if stream lag wasn't a problem.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on June 10, 2014, 08:28:42 pm
ARE YOU A BAD ENOUGH DUDE TO IDENTIFY EVERY BOOTY?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on June 10, 2014, 08:36:58 pm
damn it, only got 50/50 right
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Cammy's pretty much impossible to miss though :datass:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on June 10, 2014, 10:16:22 pm
Got all but Cody because I hate him for some reason.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on June 10, 2014, 10:21:02 pm
I recognized Cody because that's the outfit I use when I play him. I didn't realize that the butts jiggled when being spanked until this trailer. Great attention to detail, Capcom.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on June 11, 2014, 06:26:49 am
Wow, that's win.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on June 12, 2014, 05:26:11 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLQp7-MAICw
Who likes combos!?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on June 12, 2014, 11:43:02 pm
Hi. I have a question: Is it possible to P-link with a regular controller? I can't seem to do it correctly.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on June 12, 2014, 11:50:11 pm
Of course you can; plinking is not arcade-stick dependant. Is it harder to perform on pad? Yes, but you can do it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on June 13, 2014, 12:13:10 am
Ah. Thanks man. Btw, are you playing now? I'd like to see your Bison and other characters.
Also, remember when I said I encountered the Number 1 bison player, today I fought the number 2 bison player. And again, I lost. lol, I'm encountering all of these good Bisons.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on June 13, 2014, 12:23:30 am
Get you a pad similar to the sega saturn. Or a sega saturn adapter like I did. Plinking is much simpler. One day I want to make a custom arcade stick that has the box and arcade buttons but has a place to put your other hand to grab a controller that has a saturn joystick and the L trigger above it. Like a half controller that sticks out on the side. :p
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on June 13, 2014, 12:28:07 am
Do your 1 frame links like real men do! Stop plinking you cheaters!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on June 13, 2014, 12:54:05 am
One day I want to make a custom arcade stick that has the box and arcade buttons but has a place to put your other hand to grab a controller that has a saturn joystick and the L trigger above it. Like a half controller that sticks out on the side. :p
So something like this but more practical and less awkward? http://testyourmight.com/threads/arcade-stick-with-a-d-pad.28334/
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on June 13, 2014, 02:14:49 am
That looks both cool and highly impractical! But yeah, a hybrid thing like that. I'm imagining either a half box with half controller on the side (gripping a controller is important) or a full box with a padded door on the left side/ corner so you can reach under the box and grab the controller.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on June 13, 2014, 03:47:19 am
Does anyone wanna play me? I'm looking for some good matches. I play intermediate level, almost near tourney standards, so if anyone is looking for a good match let me know.
I live in California so hopefully our connection can be in the same region.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on June 13, 2014, 05:23:46 pm
You are playing good Bison Players AND Bison is better in this game. He doesn't have retarded stuff like in Vanilla or Super, but some of his buffs are really useful.
One day I want to make a custom arcade stick that has the box and arcade buttons but has a place to put your other hand to grab a controller that has a saturn joystick and the L trigger above it. Like a half controller that sticks out on the side. :p
I saw a guy playing with a controller like that (if my memory serves me) in EVO2011? Tekken Grand Finals. Is not a bad idea, you know.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on June 15, 2014, 02:13:36 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgtx4BENhqI
lol mugen
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DMK on June 15, 2014, 04:37:08 pm
back to the beta section.
And for those who have gold on XBL, Arcade edition will be free tomorrow. :happy:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Websta on June 15, 2014, 05:40:30 pm
(http://bogleech.com/pokemon/slowpoke.png)
Hey guys! I know who the mysterious 5th character is! D: It's Decapre!!!
Who would of thought! O:
Title: Yoshinori Ono resigns
Post by: Bastard Walt on June 16, 2014, 05:29:06 pm
Looks like he'll be taking time off to watch the World Cup.
Quote
STREET FIGHTER IV PRODUCER YOSHINORI ONO LEAVES CAPCOM VANCOUVER Unclear if he's left the company completely. BY LUKE KARMALI
Legendary Street Fighter IV producer Yoshinori Ono has announced he is resigning from his role as director of Capcom Vancouver.
Ono made the announcement on his Twitter, writing "I resigned from the director position about Capcom Vancouver. Thanks good staff of Capcom Vancouver, and Dead Rising staff.
“I had take some time, I think over very carefully about next things. I'd like to watch TV for Brazil World Cup before thinking it.”
It's currently unclear whether Ono has walked away from Capcom completely, or if he's just looking for other opportunities within the company. We've reached out to Capcom for comment and will update the story as we hear more.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on June 16, 2014, 05:34:07 pm
For what little I know about employment in Japan, people rarely really quit a company there. So since it actually says he's leaving his post in Vancouver, that's probably just that, possibly in the hope of working on fighters again, but still in Capcom.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on June 17, 2014, 05:39:26 am
ann already confirmed he only left his vancouver position, everythign else is the same.
For what little I know about employment in Japan, people rarely really quit a company there. So since it actually says he's leaving his post in Vancouver, that's probably just that, possibly in the hope of working on fighters again, but still in Capcom.
it did happen before with capcom, History may repeat itself , I won't be suprised if Ono or someone else decided to leave capcom , Capcom may find itself forced to Marge with another company to save itself
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on June 17, 2014, 09:46:52 am
What the hell are you talking about I think you're totally mixing this up with another news that is completely unrelated.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on June 17, 2014, 12:45:48 pm
didn't megaman creator leave capcom ?
and Shinji Mikami too, thats what I meant wheni said that history may repeat itself, and Speaking of which: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VesGSj6hmUM
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Caddie on June 17, 2014, 12:48:08 pm
They've finally run out of Street Fighter 2 money.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on June 17, 2014, 01:26:39 pm
What the hell are you talking about I think you're totally mixing this up with another news that is completely unrelated.
There is a piece of news going around htat their stakeholders had a voting to allow the company to be open to buyouts from other companies. This usually happens when there is a merging planned.
Who's ready for ryu in disney infinityyyyyyy?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on June 17, 2014, 01:28:09 pm
and Shinji Mikami too, thats what I meant wheni said that history may repeat itself
Those followed some very serious disagreements on the very reason for their presence that were known for quite a while. So okay, it happens, but it's relatively rare (much more so than in the West), and there was no such thing with Ono (at least nothing that was publicly known for a while). At any rate, in the meantime it's been confirmed just about everywhere that Ono only left his Vancouver position and not Capcom.
There is a piece of news going around htat their stakeholders had a voting to allow the company to be open to buyouts from other companies.
Yeah, that popped up this morning, but it doesn't seem to have any connection with Ono leaving Vancouver.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on June 17, 2014, 01:29:08 pm
Or Helicopter Chun Li for Sonic and Sega All Stars Racing?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on June 17, 2014, 04:16:31 pm
Didn't see anyone posting it here, but remember: SSF4AE is now free with Games for Gold. (http://www.capcom-unity.com/combofiend/blog/2014/05/13/ssfivae-available-for-free-for-xbox-live-gold-members-in-june)
I just downloaded it because my SSF4 disc has been in the DVD Drive for a long time and I'm afraid it will blend somehow with the Xbox360.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Cazaki on June 17, 2014, 04:34:32 pm
It always helps to have a digital copy, especially if it's free. I'm going to DL just so I don't need the disc in to play.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on June 17, 2014, 04:38:18 pm
Its huge tho, i did the same but then ended up deleting it , it was taking way too much space.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DMK on June 17, 2014, 04:44:48 pm
yeah for me it's just to have. Still own every iteration of Street Fighter 4 on disc. Last one will be Ultra in August. I hope they leave the costume code on paper so I can give it out here because I got one with my gamestop digital copy.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on June 17, 2014, 05:10:07 pm
I'm pretty sure the disc release will have the costumes unlocked on the disc, so there shouldn't be any code.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on June 17, 2014, 05:14:50 pm
They could do the whole "disc has code inside" thing, wouldnt be the first time they did it and considering there is already a key to get that piece of dlc whole, it might be a thing.
hope not, tho, i would rather have it all unlocked without any codes.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on June 17, 2014, 06:21:54 pm
Its huge tho, i did the same but then ended up deleting it , it was taking way too much space.
It was just 6Gigs, compared to the 18Gigs (I think) I had to download in PS3. It's a bit more than the optional DVD install.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on June 17, 2014, 06:27:05 pm
18 gigs on ps3, thats what i was talking about.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Long John Killer on June 17, 2014, 06:33:02 pm
Just got the free copy yesterday, nice to catch up since regular SFIV. Now I'm starting to miss the cheesy old menu song, though. :S
Now I have to debate if Ultra is worth getting now or see if it'll ever get a sale or price drop. At least catch up on what I've missed first, I suppose. Don't particularly care for the new additions to the roster anyways.
Nice surprise to find the alt outfits & colors I got back when SFIV had a sale on its stuff carries over to this as well. Probably ancient news, but just noticed now.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: GOH on June 18, 2014, 12:31:06 am
http://store.steampowered.com/app/301660/
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on June 18, 2014, 12:33:20 am
Duly noted thanks.
TIME TO SAVE UP
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on June 18, 2014, 01:00:03 am
Buy it from Green Man Gaming instead. They have a 20% off voucher that works for this game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on June 18, 2014, 01:05:36 am
Holy shit really
how long'll it be up for
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: JackTheAwkward on June 18, 2014, 01:07:54 am
I hope this works for windows 8.0 unlike the SFxTK game, :T 60 bucks wasted, damn DCL
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on June 18, 2014, 01:09:44 am
Dunno but those vouchers are pretty common so it won't be rare to see another being active in the next months. I got like 18 dollars this week thanks to Playfire so I just used my GMG credit + the voucher and BAM, free USFIV :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on June 18, 2014, 01:10:21 am
Dunno but those vouchers are pretty common so it won't be rare to see another being active in the next months. I got like 18 dollars this week thanks to Playfire so I just used my GMG credit + the voucher and BAM, free USFIV :P
I tried playfire, not what I thought it was thought
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Speedpreacher on June 18, 2014, 01:16:36 am
Are they just doing to full version on GMG? I can't find the upgrade version.
I tried playfire, not what I thought it was thought
If you keep up with the rewards and you have games just sitting around unplayed because of Steam sales, it really pays off.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on June 18, 2014, 01:20:17 am
I guess so.
I'll still save up money for the Steam version unless I suddenly get a late birthday card with enough money for me to get this and the PS3 version as well for no good reason because...eh
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on June 18, 2014, 01:20:33 am
If you keep up with the rewards and you have games just sitting around unplayed because of Steam sales, it really pays off.
Kinda cool to have an excuse to play certain games. It helped me to finally start playing Bioshock 2 this week.
Thanks.
And yeah, totally. I mean, I bought Marlow Briggs and the Mask of Death for dirt cheap and if it was a physical copy it'd be caked in dust. But you better believe I'll be playing it this week.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on June 21, 2014, 09:21:13 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5djVdnCKfM8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAZ1iBCWDYU
These guys should come to EVO or CEO or ANY tournament.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on June 27, 2014, 03:50:44 am
@Renzo F: Remember that Bison player that I mentioned? He's actually part of a group called the ANBU fight club.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfWFzLmBD4U
A vid of him in action.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Ehat on June 27, 2014, 04:51:38 am
Alright so after looking at the frame data and testing it a bunch myself, Poison's love me tender, no matter the strength can not be punished on block. I dunno why that is but whatever, I guess they wanted to make it like Adon's air Jaguar Kick.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on June 27, 2014, 07:10:22 am
It was that safe in SFxT too, so probably a conscious choice. Also EX is projectile invincible.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on June 27, 2014, 04:58:22 pm
@Renzo F: Remember that Bison player that I mentioned? He's actually part of a group called the ANBU fight club.
Hey, thanks. I will start following him. This is a video of myself playing Henry Cen. I turtled like hell, but I'm not ashamed because that matchup should be played that way: Hit and run away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m017dolRG0k
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on June 27, 2014, 05:06:57 pm
What console are you playing on?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on June 27, 2014, 05:21:24 pm
Xbox360, baybee.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on June 27, 2014, 05:34:03 pm
You really had a handle on the match, Renzo. GG.
As for me, I'd made the biggest mistake that any online player could ever make yesterday. I've been in a serious losing streak lately, but instead of stopping while I had the chance, I kept playing out of saltiness. All of my PP suffered. I had at least 360 PP, now I only got 18. That's discouraging. I seriously need to learn to stop falling for stupid traps, but I strongly doubt that I'll be able to after that hell.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on June 27, 2014, 05:38:23 pm
One of my best friends mains Honda and I play a lot with him, thats why I know the matchup. I ever laugh when we play online at my place together because he yells "LETS SEE IF YOU KNOW THE MATCHUP" just when the first round starts and he throws a Sumo Splash. It connects most of the times because people tends to jump.
As for me, I'd made the biggest mistake that any online player could ever make yesterday.
I'm just like that, but now what I do is watching my own replays to see what went wrong. It works like wonders.
EDIT: I have another video. Nothing special about it. It's just how the fight ends. My friend made a poor choice by using UII in that situation... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSAMLIxWlhA
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on July 11, 2014, 08:00:11 pm
does anybody feel like this game is boring edition and nerfed?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on July 13, 2014, 01:28:09 am
Nah. I love this version. I got some new ryu combos, Rose got stronger with new combos, and Poison was added.
I'm having fun with my characters.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on July 13, 2014, 01:35:27 am
Capcom panel just said there'll be a patch sometime after the disc release, and that they're aware of certain balance issues.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on July 13, 2014, 02:07:18 am
certain balance issues
how about all the balance issues
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on July 13, 2014, 05:18:54 am
Things that I like about Ultra
Hugo
I can fight in front of some dinosaurs and pretend that a T-Rex is trying to eat John Hammond's grandkids (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mLSeCbDIJI)
That's about it for me.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Prodigy_LXM on July 13, 2014, 09:50:35 am
Don't make me upgrade my PC just to body you for free in this game. (http://i27.tinypic.com/153mtxs.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Prodigy_LXM on July 15, 2014, 10:39:52 pm
yes you do Anthony. . .but i'm not on 360. :(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on July 16, 2014, 01:36:13 am
I'm having a lot of fun. Bison got buffed -a bit- Elena is fun.
But on the other side, they gotta fix all the glitches... some are really annoying.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: [DKG] on July 17, 2014, 08:09:29 am
I love how they are saying its over 100 costumes, when from the trailer its just 3 costumes with different palettes. Sigh Capcom... when will you learn
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on July 17, 2014, 08:19:58 am
Pretty sure when they're saying over 100 costumes, they mean over 100 costumes split up over the whole cast, which is 2-3 costumes per character on average. Yes that includes costumes that were already released.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on July 17, 2014, 08:20:32 am
39 characters x 2 alts each + third costume for each of the SF4 characters + 2 alts each for the new five = 114.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on July 17, 2014, 08:21:15 am
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on July 23, 2014, 10:01:15 am
most Ken players still suck
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on July 26, 2014, 03:04:36 am
Summer Vacation costume DLC for Ultra SF4, including a cheongsam for Poison.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on July 26, 2014, 03:18:45 am
"Summer Vacation" DLC coming to Ultra. Scuba gear Rufus, summer dress Elena, China dress Poison, golf club Dan, bikini Decapre, prep school Dudley, Hawaiian Blanka, and more."
Sounds fun.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on July 26, 2014, 03:38:23 am
8TGIXJVLEKEHG8 this code was given at the SF panel at SDCC. I think it's for Ultra DLC, but it doesn't work in Steam atm. Possibly related to this summertime shit.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on July 26, 2014, 03:44:10 am
It's for a special title in-game: "Capcom Fighter". You redeem it in the Ultra game itself, from what I gather.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on July 26, 2014, 04:05:03 am
"Summer Vacation" DLC coming to Ultra. Scuba gear Rufus, summer dress Elena, China dress Poison, golf club Dan, bikini Decapre, prep school Dudley, Hawaiian Blanka, and more."
Sounds fun.
Golfing Dan? Now I'm interested...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on July 26, 2014, 04:11:42 am
Prep Dudley and Kerwin White Dan sound epic.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on July 26, 2014, 08:53:49 am
Craptastic images ftw. Coming soon for all characters. (http://www.siliconera.com/2014/07/25/ultra-street-fighter-iv-summer-costumes-blanka-hawaiian-shirt/)
More Sakura buffs please. (http://www.capcom.co.jp/sf4/images/renew_usf4/product/vacation/sakura.jpg)
edited for higher quality, and juri (http://www.capcom.co.jp/sf4/images/renew_usf4/product/vacation/juri.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: JeDDyD on July 28, 2014, 08:54:41 am
Images of all ''Summer Vacation'' DLC costumes. (http://imgur.com/a/9W3Pv#0)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Ehat on July 28, 2014, 09:39:04 am
Anyone ever feel like playing on 360? Hit me up please. I'm tired of playing against scrub Hugos and T. Hawks. I'm really just looking to level up my Balrog some more and there are some match-ups that I struggle to grasp like Chun-Li and Gouken. I've never beaten a good Gouken and Chun-Li is just a hard match-up in general. I have a few buddies offline that main Chun-Li but they just troll too much. Gamertag is AO D lHl M
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on July 28, 2014, 09:42:39 am
Images of all ''Summer Vacation'' DLC costumes. (http://imgur.com/a/9W3Pv#0)
There's a couple that are really nice, actually. A bunch are wacky, but the theme makes it work. No price announced yet ? Presuming it's not free of course.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Whiplash- on July 28, 2014, 09:48:38 am
I'm not a fan of Most, but damn Oni's alt is really badass.
(http://i.imgur.com/cfFDGXf.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on July 28, 2014, 09:57:56 am
d dark guile, all that matters
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Fisher King on July 28, 2014, 10:05:05 am
^
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on July 28, 2014, 02:16:51 pm
On the whole this bundle looks a lot better than previous ones. I'm a fan of more casual alts, and I'm getting them in spades here, and even the more crazy ones are less tacky than I expected.
let's go Aquaman Gouken
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on July 28, 2014, 02:46:29 pm
Is Gouken cosplaying Uighur?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Girard on July 28, 2014, 04:41:59 pm
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on July 28, 2014, 08:48:40 pm
oh
that's fucking terrible
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saizo Hattori on July 28, 2014, 09:35:17 pm
So UDON designed the alts for the characters added in ultra and they were on charge of this pack? mmm..... I think I don't like their designs. Well there are 8 that I like a lot(ryu, the twins, Gen, Feilong, Juri, Honda, cammy) But I find most of them very ridiculous and senseless. The cody and Dictador costumes look a lot like costumes that they already have :/ I hope there will be an option to buy the costumes individually and no by pack of characters.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: senorfro on July 28, 2014, 10:38:39 pm
Juri's looks like she took something from Rose's attire
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on July 28, 2014, 11:47:42 pm
Anyone ever feel like playing on 360? Hit me up please. I'm tired of playing against scrub Hugos and T. Hawks. I'm really just looking to level up my Balrog some more and there are some match-ups that I struggle to grasp like Chun-Li and Gouken. I've never beaten a good Gouken and Chun-Li is just a hard match-up in general. I have a few buddies offline that main Chun-Li but they just troll too much. Gamertag is AO D lHl M
GT: anth0nygamer
I don't use Chun or Gouken though. I use Rose, Ryu, Poison, and Balrog.
Edit: GGs :)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on July 29, 2014, 03:33:05 am
(http://i.imgur.com/Ckxt8ML.jpg)
All of my fucking love...ALL OF IT!!!!
EDIT: This says what I feel more than anything
(http://i.imgur.com/IaLG69W.gif)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4: Image Posting Edition
Post by: Niitris on July 29, 2014, 03:47:55 am
So UDON designed the alts for the characters added in ultra and they were on charge of this pack? mmm..... I think I don't like their designs. Well there are 8 that I like a lot(ryu, the twins, Gen, Feilong, Juri, Honda, cammy) But I find most of them very ridiculous and senseless.
Yeah, I'm not liking most of them either, although I'm pleasantly surprised since expectations were quite low. Seems to have a bit of a festival theme so I can understand them at least.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4: Image Posting Edition
Post by: Xhominid on July 29, 2014, 03:52:01 am
So UDON designed the alts for the characters added in ultra and they were on charge of this pack? mmm..... I think I don't like their designs. Well there are 8 that I like a lot(ryu, the twins, Gen, Feilong, Juri, Honda, cammy) But I find most of them very ridiculous and senseless.
Yeah, I'm not liking most of them either, although I'm pleasantly surprised since expectations were quite low. Seems to have a bit of a festival theme so I can understand them at least.
Yeah, most of them(well, a huge chunk in my eyes) are just BAD. I mean freaking wow, they even turned Chun-Li into a trainwreck with this costume. Others just don't work and some are just too plain. Thank god Juri came out of it unscathed and looks even better(Dat long hair...)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on July 29, 2014, 04:25:05 am
A lot of the bad ones could be salvageable with different colors, or even clearer pictures. That Ibuki one for instance, you can't tell what's going on with that at all.
Overall I'm still pleasantly surprised with a lot of these.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on July 29, 2014, 09:20:16 pm
Ibuki cosplaying as her pet Tanuki(raccoon dog) Don-Chan. I think her outfit looks great after realizing what it was. lol
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Cazaki on July 29, 2014, 09:48:19 pm
Gief's costume reminds me of The Fury
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on July 29, 2014, 10:18:57 pm
FURRYYYYYY
Chun-Li's is retarded though
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on July 30, 2014, 01:24:17 am
Big fan of Sakura's, Makoto's, Oni's, and E. Honda's. Also like Seth's because it reminds me of Radel from ROTD.
Otherwise the pack is kinda meh
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DMK on July 30, 2014, 01:31:10 am
Pretty much like everyone else, about half are good other half make me question the design team. I guess this is outside of the "every costume ever pack" coming with the physical release?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on July 30, 2014, 02:08:38 am
i really really hope so
no seriously why the fuck is deejay wearing shin guards and watermelon shorts
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on July 30, 2014, 03:29:19 am
how many of these outfits look like something the characters would actually wear?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on July 30, 2014, 07:16:06 am
Bet you can't guess who are the most requested characters to return to Street Fighter is:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Ingrid, Karin, R.Mika
Listen to fans they clearly know who should and shouldn't return (since nobody wants Alex, Urien, Q, and whatever).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on July 31, 2014, 04:08:50 am
Sometimes the fans just wanna bring back stupid fan service girls who were NEVER competitively worthy of any serious matches. They'd be ranked up in the same league as low tier Hakan, Guy, shit tier Hugo.
c'mon. Q and Urien would be wayyyyy better. Q would be intricately unique charge character. And Urien would be another rushdown / vortex mindfucking mixup character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on July 31, 2014, 04:16:33 am
Sometimes the fans just wanna bring back stupid fan service girls who were NEVER competitively worthy of any serious matches. They'd be ranked up in the same league as low tier Hakan, Guy, shit tier Hugo.
c'mon. Q and Urien would be wayyyyy better. Q would be intricately unique charge character. And Urien would be another rushdown / vortex mindfucking mixup character.
I was kidding (I main Alex), guess my history would suggest otherwise though.
At least Capcom has enough sense to know that more than Japan exists.
I seriously don't get this type of stuff. I feel that this exact same thing happens in Japan too:
"I bet you can't notice what is the most requested characters in America is:
Alex, Urien, Q
Listen to fans they clearly know who should and shouldn't return (since nobody wants Ingrid, Karin, R.Mika, and whatever)."
I mean, can't you say it's the exact same thing in the other direction? Q is only interesting...because he's mysterious and hard to master, Alex is a grappler character from Brooklyn and Urien's shenanigans with his Aegis Reflector. I mean come on, using the same standpoint, we have no real reason either.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on July 31, 2014, 04:34:29 am
Is that a popularity poll? Rufus in the 40s? Zangief not in the top 10? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on July 31, 2014, 04:43:24 am
So uh, people like R. Mika who are garbage tier are worthless, but Q, who is also terrible in a competitive sense is great? And Karin is also worthless despite being absurdly high tier? Got it. ::)
Seriously, who gives a flying fuck about whether a character was competitively worthy, people can like using characters for other reasons besides whether they're viable in a tourney. Indeed, that would be most people, because most people playing the game are not going to be going to tourneys. People like playing as characters for a whole host of reasons, maybe they like the design, or their gameplay, or the way all their attacks involve prominent ass shots (never said all of the reasons were particularly good!), or some combination thereof. And that's how it should be.
And even if tourney viability was the most significant qualifier, characters can be rebalanced and made more viable than they were in previous games; they're not going to be ported directly over.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on July 31, 2014, 04:44:04 am
Listen, Shadoloo master crimelord M.Bison isn't one of the first twenty, that's unforgivable.
Sometimes the fans just wanna bring back stupid fan service girls who were NEVER competitively worthy of any serious matches.
Idk, Vism Karin was damn good (of course had nothing on Vism Akuma though).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on July 31, 2014, 05:00:27 am
I agree with Xhominid and JMM. The excuses can be used in both sides to make the other one look worse although I can't really take any side due to me liking and disliking characters from both sides.
* I like Ingrid but find her gameplay rather simplistic so I don't particularly care about her.
* I have lots of FUN using Karin and she would definitely be awesome with the SFIV system
* R.Mika is one of those characters who would probably be faaaaaar more interesting with the way current SF games are treated like, with good quality voice acting (Not that her voice was bad, but she would have a far more interesting personality with the varied quotes and extra samples in SFIV) and most likely a redesigned moveset with extra command attacks and whatnot, just like many other old characters were adapted, like Chun Li for example.
* Alex is cool and all and I would definitely use him again but we already have enough grapplers I guess.
* Urien is cool but I suck using him so I never cared about him coming back anywhere.
* I miss Q but I'm aware that people want him because he's mysterious and shit. Nobody plays him anyway (Rightfully because he sucks) and if he comes back he'll probably be far better than in the old times, making one of his main points null since people only like to play as him because they're masochists and want to use a weak ass character.
Storyline excuses are even worse when they're used because it's clear that SFIV pretty much gives no shit about it while picking their additional characters. People can say that wanting Karin is stupid because she's the rival of a minor character who's the main character's copycat but who the hell cares about how little impact she has in the storyline while playing the game anyway? I mean just look at freaking hakan.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on July 31, 2014, 05:28:10 am
* Alex is cool and all and I would definitely use him again but we already have enough grapplers I guess.
Eh, he plays differently enough from the other grapplers.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Cazaki on July 31, 2014, 06:57:27 am
I've always felt like Abel was designed to replace Alex
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DAN_HIBIKI on July 31, 2014, 07:11:22 am
Do you see that Gen is in the most bottom of popularity? That's it! Very few use him! That's because Gen is the most difficult character to master, but at the same time he's useless when you're not mastering him. Yup.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Cazaki on July 31, 2014, 07:19:08 am
I think Gen being a hard character to use is a facade, once you get over the fact that he has two stances it's not so bad. He's much easier to use than the likes of Viper, Yun, Dudley, Adon, Dhalsim etc. etc. etc.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on July 31, 2014, 07:43:23 am
The other two outfit trailers: Super and Alpha (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4fYb-Nwr3w) SFIII and SFIV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxlijPFU3gY)
A little surprised that none of the SFxT outfits are going to Ultra
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DMK on August 02, 2014, 12:17:03 am
A few Ultra characters got them if you have a SFxT save. Shame none of the other SfxT characters got theres that wasn't the swap costume.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on August 02, 2014, 04:55:16 am
So uh, people like R. Mika who are garbage tier are worthless, but Q, who is also terrible in a competitive sense is great? And Karin is also worthless despite being absurdly high tier? Got it. ::)
Seriously, who gives a flying fuck about whether a character was competitively worthy, people can like using characters for other reasons besides whether they're viable in a tourney. People like playing as characters for a whole host of reasons, maybe they like the design, or their gameplay, or the way all their attacks involve prominent ass shots (never said all of the reasons were particularly good!), or some combination thereof. And that's how it should be.
That's pretty much the reason why everybody wants Karin & R.Mika. Once the characters get put into the game though, most of the time the character becomes obsolete quickly within weeks or months of release. Just stating the truth about what I've seen most of the time throughout SFIV's lifespan.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on August 02, 2014, 07:35:34 am
So uh, people like R. Mika who are garbage tier are worthless, but Q, who is also terrible in a competitive sense is great? And Karin is also worthless despite being absurdly high tier? Got it. ::)
Seriously, who gives a flying fuck about whether a character was competitively worthy, people can like using characters for other reasons besides whether they're viable in a tourney. People like playing as characters for a whole host of reasons, maybe they like the design, or their gameplay, or the way all their attacks involve prominent ass shots (never said all of the reasons were particularly good!), or some combination thereof. And that's how it should be.
That's pretty much the reason why everybody wants Karin & R.Mika. Once the characters get put into the game though, most of the time the character becomes obsolete quickly within weeks or months of release. Just stating the truth about what I've seen most of the time throughout SFIV's lifespan.
And you honestly believe the same won't happen with Q, Alex or Urien?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Tyrant Belial on August 02, 2014, 07:45:06 am
The difference is Q isn't wearing panties/Skin tight Leotard
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 02, 2014, 07:52:05 am
That's pretty much the reason why everybody wants Karin & R.Mika. Once the characters get put into the game though, most of the time the character becomes obsolete quickly within weeks or months of release. Just stating the truth about what I've seen most of the time throughout SFIV's lifespan.
I can see R.Mika (and mostly agree), but Karin? Does she even have ass shots?
/me researches
huh I guess there are a few, kinda. Karin wears underpants over her bike shorts? That means she's a superhero!!!
but uh yeah there's a few sprites where her butt is visible but I don't think it's anywhere close to R.Mika, or even Sakura, whose ass shots are long and call attention to themselves. Most of the comments that say they want Karin refer specifically to her gameplay. I know that's the only reason I'm interested (well, besides her space laser, and her haughty attitude and butler and so on) because I am immune to feminine charms.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on August 02, 2014, 08:00:44 am
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They'll be forgotten weeks after release.
Make fanservice girls top tier, problem solved.
Logic too op; nerf pls.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on August 02, 2014, 09:01:58 am
The difference is Q isn't wearing panties/Skin tight Leotard
But Urien is wearing a fundoshi-type deal, so there's that alone...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 02, 2014, 09:05:27 am
Yup, everyone just loves all those ass shots Urien has. People just can't stop talking about them. It's truly what people like most about Urien.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on August 02, 2014, 09:10:28 am
i like how extravagant went from "karin and rmika would be bad because they're low tier" (horseshit reason, tier status from previous game means very little), completely ignored the replies that called that post dumb and instead changed it to "people only want them to look at ass shots". what a fucking joke
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 02, 2014, 09:17:12 am
Maybe he was talking about the tier list of their asses! :idea:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on August 02, 2014, 09:26:34 am
Maining top tier. :datass:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 02, 2014, 08:00:47 pm
I can see R.Mika (and mostly agree), but Karin? Does she even have ass shots?
/me researches
huh I guess there are a few, kinda. Karin wears underpants over her bike shorts? That means she's a superhero!!!
but uh yeah there's a few sprites where her butt is visible but I don't think it's anywhere close to R.Mika, or even Sakura, whose ass shots are long and call attention to themselves. Most of the comments that say they want Karin refer specifically to her gameplay. I know that's the only reason I'm interested (well, besides her space laser, and her haughty attitude and butler and so on) because I am immune to feminine charms.
contrary to what that stupid wiki said, karin doesn't wear undies over her spandex (that would be actually very silly) it a part of her spandex, designed to show attention to that finely crafted, pert, nubile, teena--------
but yea i always thought the tier thing was silly, base you fighting game experience off a goddamn tourney player's circle jerk of an opinion, hell some game developers are even doing it
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 02, 2014, 08:13:00 pm
contrary to what that stupid wiki said, karin doesn't wear undies over her spandex (that would be actually very silly) it a part of her spandex, designed to show attention to that finely crafted, pert, nubile, teena--------
I don't know or care what the wiki says, I was going by the actual sprites: (http://i.imgur.com/5YQhYkI.png) I will stand by my statement that Karin is a secret superhero.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on August 02, 2014, 08:20:07 pm
A superhero?!?!
No wonder she hops down on helicopters in one of her intros. Perhaps she wanted to be like Batman
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on August 02, 2014, 08:57:27 pm
Yup, everyone just loves all those ass shots Urien has. People just can't stop talking about them. It's truly what people like most about Urien.
I was saying that to counter his point.
I seriously doubt that Karin was loved JUST because of her spats(or biker shorts or whatever you call them). R.Mika...I'll easily give you, but then again, there could be other reasons than that, but I can easily believe it's that and POSSIBLY her Zangief fetish.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 02, 2014, 09:55:04 pm
No character is loved solely by everyone because of their hotness, but it is a factor, and more so for certain characters. But I wouldn't say it's the major reason Karin is popular, no. She's just got really fun gameplay, and also she's Batman, as I have shown above.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on August 02, 2014, 10:13:19 pm
And yeah, complaining about Mika's attire (much less Karin) when the same series has the damn underwear brothers (and Zangief) speaks for itself.
That's not even close to the same thing. Not until Urien gets an ass attack, at least.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on August 02, 2014, 10:21:12 pm
I don't disagree, I was speaking from a pure attire standpoint.
Giving them gracious panty shots, butt attacks, and the likes isn't the same thing as amount of outfit layers.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on August 02, 2014, 10:30:45 pm
no
they're based off of greek athletes, nothing more, nothing less, they're not meant to be sexualized
specially coming from a game where there's a goddamn half naked african princess
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on August 02, 2014, 10:58:58 pm
The Greeks were commonly naked when engaged in sport, lol.
It's true they weren't intended to be sexualized, but I think it's pretty hard for anyone who's into athletic and well built males to resist that level of manliness.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 02, 2014, 10:59:49 pm
Are you saying Gill and Urien turned you gay?!?!?!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on August 02, 2014, 11:05:57 pm
Are you saying Gill and Urien turned you gay?!?!?!
LOL This reminds me of that "Watching SpiderMan dance will make you gay" video from a while back. :mmhmm:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on August 02, 2014, 11:06:12 pm
No, but there's no denying that they have more "appeal" than the average guy (male power fantasy thing).
Stop picking on me I didn't say anything to deserve this. :(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on August 02, 2014, 11:07:00 pm
Dudley is probably the only sexualized SF male I can think of. His buldge has DOA-bounce physics in 3s.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Mgbenz on August 02, 2014, 11:11:31 pm
I really don't get this thing of half-naked men only being power fantasies while half naked girls only being sexualized. Especially when people's idea of a sexualized male is an overlarged dangling dick and barely anyone ever talks about female power fantasies.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 02, 2014, 11:17:07 pm
they're based off of greek athletes, nothing more, nothing less, they're not meant to be sexualized
specially coming from a game where there's a goddamn half naked african princess
I don't believe that somehow counts for your point. Most people will NOT see it that way and easily see it for beefcake like any other male would see a scantily clad female like Elena.
I really don't get this thing of half-naked men only being power fantasies while half naked girls only being sexualized. Especially when people's idea of a sexualized male is an overlarged dangling dick and barely anyone ever talks about female power fantasies.
Neither do I, but the one time a called someone out on it and they bitched at me from Tumblr...so yeah.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 02, 2014, 11:50:56 pm
I don't believe that somehow counts for your point. Most people will NOT see it that way and easily see it for beefcake like any other male would see a scantily clad female like Elena.
People can take it whatever way they want. But they're clearly not designed to be sexy characters in the way that R.Mika and Mai are.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on August 03, 2014, 12:00:09 am
Just BTW, Elena's not designed to be sexy either, with the same reasoning. The only thing sexy is that one winpose in SF3.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 03, 2014, 12:01:40 am
I don't believe that somehow counts for your point. Most people will NOT see it that way and easily see it for beefcake like any other male would see a scantily clad female like Elena.
People can take it whatever way they want. But they're clearly not designed to be sexy characters in the way that R.Mika and Mai are.
wait, is r mika supossed to be sexy ? I thought she was supossed to reinforce a positive body image for fat girls or something.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 03, 2014, 12:04:52 am
I really don't get this thing of half-naked men only being power fantasies while half naked girls only being sexualized. Especially when people's idea of a sexualized male is an overlarged dangling dick and barely anyone ever talks about female power fantasies.
Because half naked men aren't designed primarily for titillation, while half naked females usually are.
What I was trying to say is that nudity alone can provoke a sense of sexuality. Guess the way I phrased it made it sound like Gill and the likes were sexualized designs, which they're not.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 03, 2014, 12:50:19 am
I wanna talk about Urien's ass again, all this sexy lady talk is boring :(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on August 03, 2014, 01:00:32 am
Before moving on to Urien for Jmorph's sake, Elena did have that rather suggestive art poses in SF3.
I don't believe that somehow counts for your point. Most people will NOT see it that way and easily see it for beefcake like any other male would see a scantily clad female like Elena.
I don't believe that somehow counts for your point. Most people will NOT see it that way and easily see it for beefcake like any other male would see a scantily clad female like Elena.
People can take it whatever way they want. But they're clearly not designed to be sexy characters in the way that R.Mika and Mai are.
Doesn't matter. You can say the same for Rose and people will tell you otherwise. They may not be designed for sexiness, but perception does still matter.
Doesn't matter. You can say the same for Rose and people will tell you otherwise. They may not be designed for sexiness, but perception does still matter.
And then there's a point where you just have to say "you're bullshitting me" because there's no way we can account for every single person on Earth when trying NOT to make a character "too sexy". Some people will find Dhalsim sexy, so just fuck it, it doesn't mean he's supposed to be sexy, just normal, and we don't have to worry about what screwed up people will think when trying to find the limit between which chick is sexy and which one isn't.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on August 03, 2014, 01:41:59 am
To be fare, Mai uses a Ninjutsu fighting style that focuses heavily on distraction, and when you're built like that, yeah. When you think about it, if you're just an everyday fighter, you're not only thinking your opponent is male but much more covered.
You've never heard of this righter, you turn around and see this-
Doesn't matter. You can say the same for Rose and people will tell you otherwise. They may not be designed for sexiness, but perception does still matter.
uh, yeah, like Byakko said, if you take that approach there's no real limit and every single character is totes sexy.
All of the female characters have a baseline level of attractiveness; they're all designed to look pretty. Some of them are designed to be more sexy and risque than others, and others are more reserved (to go to another company, compare Angel to King in KOF). Which is not in and of itself a problem, but they could use a bit more variety and have uglier females like the dudes have Zangief, or something.
Face it, You're mind isn't on the fight anymore, It's a brilliant strategy, it'd work on anyone-
I'd just stare at her and ask her if she's cold. And if she has back issues. And to put on a goddamn jacket or something you're boobs are about to pop out, criminy.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on August 03, 2014, 02:13:59 am
Yeah, wow. You certainly wouldn't see shots of a male character like that.
In the sense of something negating the "power fantasy" by turning it into humiliation (probably the closest equivalent you'll find of making the girl vulnerable in a sexual way), check out Necro's "lose" portrait :
... Also, check out Urien's. He's sitting with his knees up... But the screen cuts right above his panties, totally making it look like he's full naked. Stupid sexy Urien.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 03, 2014, 02:16:03 am
Hey man, your mind went there.
Hmm, why isn't there a Naked Crazy Urien XXX yet?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on August 03, 2014, 02:21:53 am
In fact, having a second look at it (i- it's not like I want to !!) he's actually putting his arm in front, hiding the panties, but totally making it looks like there's no panties and he's just hiding his junk. There's no way anyone will tell me that this is not sexualized. This is what it looks like when a guy is sexualized. This is the exact equivalent of Elena's. No "it's a reference to Greek gods or antique wrestling" excuse, no "power fantasy is not the male equivalent of sexualization" excuse.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 03, 2014, 02:27:36 am
:I
Uh, sure.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on August 03, 2014, 02:31:16 am
Alex's win portrait there is quite the sexy too.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 03, 2014, 02:32:43 am
Man you guys are into some weird porn >:[
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on August 03, 2014, 02:34:51 am
The sites me and DKDC are a part of have nothing to do with Alex's sexy backside.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on August 03, 2014, 02:41:27 am
I do see your point though. Capcom draws innocent looking girls in totally subjective poses all of the time. Felicia, Cammy, Chun Li, Elena here and R.Mika are good examples (I'm missing a few, but these are the immediates). While women are my preference, I see nothing wrong with display for the homosexual/gay crowd as long as it's not completely tasteless or in your face. I mean, the Chou Anki series were fucking hilarious and pretty stylish, while also being fun with design elements aimed towards men who prefer men.
I think it just boils down to what society deems acceptable, and it's not always fair. But then it's OK for Capcom to draw Elena as if she's desperate along with stereotypical male archetypes. Go figure.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 03, 2014, 03:37:08 am
To be fare, Mai uses a Ninjutsu fighting style that focuses heavily on distraction, and when you're built like that, yeah. When you think about it, if you're just an everyday fighter, you're not only thinking your opponent is male but much more covered.
I totally get Terry and Kyo, but Iori? Eww, you just know that dude smells like a potent combination of a barn, hairspray, and cloves.
don't let that "obsessed with killing another human being" thing fool you, iori is a goddn rockstar in-universe and smells like flowers and not sex and sweat like other rockstars because he has a girlfriend
In 3S Ibuki is a freshman about to start university.
so 12 or 13 in sf4 then
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jmorphman on August 03, 2014, 07:00:08 am
Groupies will ignore anything to sleep with a rock star. But that dude does not bathe, I guarantee it. Too busy cursing KYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on August 03, 2014, 07:14:03 am
see that's the thing; iori would only smell like a flaming dumpster in the back of a butcher shop if he's in or was just previously on riot of the blood, that's like the equivalent of being drunk off his ass, and the coming down from blood riot is like the hangover
random note: it's weird tho, he has all this extracurricular shit going on in his life and the only thing he can think about all day is goddamn kyo, someone he doesn't even know personally* and wanted to kill since he first met him and even beforehand, weirdo
*blood feuds and whatnot
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on August 03, 2014, 09:59:56 am
I'm in utter shock that somehow we are talking about Iori and Kyo in a USFIV thread xD
Last time I checked, weren't we talking about superhero panties? LOL
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Mgbenz on August 03, 2014, 12:33:38 pm
Can we go back to stupid sexy Urien?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on August 03, 2014, 12:35:26 pm
Poison, Ryu, and Rose's packs will be bought. :yes:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on August 06, 2014, 11:21:12 pm
Bikini Decaf looks somewhat awkward.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saizo Hattori on August 07, 2014, 03:23:49 am
Well... after watching these costumes in action, I think I know what are they suposse to be, Viper one is a scuba diving suit, I never saw one with so many colors but well is a rasonable costume, but I wonder how they managed to make her hair even more disgusting thant it is already. Chun-Li one seems to be something that a preschool kid would wear, kinda reminds me of Katey from Dead Rising, just with more accesories and to much colors, but I guess is kinda cute and would look ok with alternate palettes. Rose still think is unsuitable for her but not look so terrible after all. And now the only one that I think is awful is Ibuki. It looks like she killed Don-chan and is using him as hat! that is not nice :o
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on August 08, 2014, 03:13:39 am
I really like how "Summer outfit Elena" has more clothes than the regular one.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on August 08, 2014, 03:21:11 am
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Juri Han 1 day ago
...What the hell am I wearing.
goddamn it. why do i read the comments
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Insigniawarfare on August 08, 2014, 03:26:22 am
USF4 PC has been pushed up and is now on steam. sources: http://store.steampowered.com/app/301660/ http://shoryuken.com/2014/08/07/ultra-street-fighter-ivs-steam-release-pushed-up-available-in-just-under-an-hour/
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on August 08, 2014, 07:58:09 am
I just updated and the online play (at least for me) is unbearable. Not to mention that training mode with fight request has hiccups. The game just freezes for 1 or 2 seconds really often.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on August 08, 2014, 10:53:54 am
Codes for special game titles, stolen from some steam thread.
Angry Dog - LPTPV4J9PMLW5B Best Combo - 82SPR56FW3JX48 Better Luck Next Time! - M42OLW0IHGLGMJ Breath of Summer - H3EO9O5MZTCMLQ Capcom Fighter - 8TGIXJVLEKEHG8 Cheers! - 0QLBUU3LB7R8WO Chocolate-Chip Cookie - 2592B6JIV6CR49 Justice till the End - 1H98PF2079P43T Pro Animator - T9N4MH7IIHT3R0
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on August 08, 2014, 01:46:44 pm
so now people know what I have been saying for years: This game's netcode is ass.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on August 08, 2014, 02:02:03 pm
The PC version had an amazing netcode. They just fucked up while moving from GFWL to Steamworks.
Hope they can fix it eventually, I have faith in QLOC.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on August 08, 2014, 04:38:01 pm
For me the netcode quality was ordered like this:
XB360 > PC > PS3
XB360 is still the best, but the PC has gone down the list. :S Even playing with a friend that lives no more than 3 miles away sucks.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Insigniawarfare on August 08, 2014, 06:44:31 pm
If you haven't already seen them here is the list of changes from the title update that happen today.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Blanka Crouch MK: Advantage on counter-hit increased from +5F to +8F; bug that caused Blanka’s hit-stop to be less than the opponent’s fixed. (Now both characters experience the full hit-stop)
Dee Jay M Jackknife Maximum: Fixed bug that caused the move to do less damage on counter-hit than on normal hit.
Decapre EX Scramble (L+M): Fixed bug that caused EX version follow-ups to not come out at certain timings. Focus Attack, Red Focus Attack: Hurtbox during Red Focus Attack expanded, now matches the normal Focus Attack’s hurtbox.
El Fuerte Close Stand LP: Chain cancel version of the move had a smaller hitbox than the normal version. Hitbox of the chain cancel version has been changed to match the normal version.
Evil Ryu EX Tatsumaki Senpukyaku: Fixed bug that cause the move to not hit on some characters under certain conditions.
Fei Long Crouch LK: Chain cancel version start-up was 1 frame faster than the normal version. The start-up of the chain cancel version has been fixed to match the normal version.
Hakan Crouch LK: Chain cancel version move recovery was 1 frame more than the normal version. The recovery of the chain cancel version has now been fixed to match the normal version.
Hugo Standing Motion:Fixed bug that cause Hugo to not have a hurtbox at the feet while moving from crouching to standing. Stand LP: Chain cancel version recovery was 3 frames more than the normal version. Recovery of the chain cancel version have been fixed to match the normal version. Crouch LP: Chain cancel version recovery was 3 frames less than the normal version. Recovery of the chain cancel version have been fixed to match the normal version. Focus Attack, Red Focus Attack: Added a hurtbox between Hugo’s legs during Focus Attack release.
Juri Far Stand LK: Chain cancel version start-up was 1 frame slower than the normal version. The start-up of the chain cancel has been fixed to match the normal version.
M.Bison Red Focus Attack, EX Red Focus Attack: Fixed bug where under certain conditions, Level 1 Red Focus Attack and EX Red Focus Attack had 1 point difference in damage.
Oni Focus Attack, Red Focus Attack: Hurtbox during Red Focus Attack expanded, now matches the normal Focus Attack’s hurtbox.
Poison Standing Motion: Fixed bug that cause Poison to not have a hurtbox at the feet while moving from crouching to standing. Close Stand LP, Close Stand LK, Far Stand LK, Crouch LP, Crouch LK: Fixed bug that cause chain cancel reception timing to be different from other characters. Crouch LP: Chain cancel version start-up was 1 frame slower than the normal version. The start-up of the chain cancel version has been fixed to match the normal version. Crouch LK: Chain cancel version start-up was 1 frame slower than the normal version, and chain cancel version recovery was 3 frames more than the normal version. Both have been fixed to match the normal version.
Rolento Mekong Delta Escape: Bug that would cause Rolento to perform a triangle jump from a position that wasn’t at the wall if an opponent was in between Rolento and the wall fixed.
Seth Tanden Storm: Fixed bug that caused Delay Stand to be impossible if downed by any hit but the last.
Vega Flying Barcelona Special: Fixed so that after the knee attack hits an airborne opponent in the corner, you can now catch the opponent with Rolling Izuna Drop.
Yang Close Stand LK, Far Stand LK:Chain cancel version start-up was 1 frame slower than the normal version. The start-up of the chain cancel version has been fixed to match the normal version.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lith on August 08, 2014, 10:01:05 pm
Rolento's theme is his actual theme...
I must buy this now
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on August 08, 2014, 11:08:02 pm
Appearently the charge time for Decapre's Psycho Sting and DCM has been extended for 10 frames in the recent patch. If this is true, Target MP->HK to U2 Anti-Air is either more strict or gone for good.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on August 09, 2014, 12:19:36 am
so now people know what I have been saying for years: This game's netcode is ass.
Were you using a wireless connection for those years?
When both players have a "Wired" connection, it feels just like offline(xbox360) for me. Wireless lags too much. It doesn't matter how fast your connection is.
Title: "glitch"
Post by: S.D. on August 09, 2014, 01:34:28 am
Did the fix the glitch where Akuma's theme is switched to Ryu's theme? Yeah I thought so.
On a serious note, no mention of Elena and her wonky hit and hurtboxes whatsoever? That's surprising.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on August 09, 2014, 01:46:59 am
It turns out Decapre did lose her Target Combo -> DCM AA. Any other combo that involves a heighten juggle from Psycho Sting also won't connect with DCM AA end.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on August 09, 2014, 02:19:31 am
On a serious note, no mention of Elena and her wonky hit and hurtboxes whatsoever? That's surprising.
Almost all nre characters have issues regarding hitboxes. For example, there are combos that don't hit on Decapre when she's facing a specific direction (WTF, but yeah). I think they'll be fixing those problems, but it will take time to do it and thats why they didn't say anything yet.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on August 09, 2014, 03:42:20 am
Back to Decapre, for SOME reason DCM AA will revert to default stance, straight line whenever you try to chain it after Target Combo. I'm unsure if the original combo was meantto be but I have doubts the frames did any changes to DCM. Because I can still do the combo but I'll always get standard DCM regardless.
Can anyone with XBOX try this?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on August 09, 2014, 04:45:31 am
That happens in all versions.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on August 09, 2014, 10:30:38 am
Addendum, it only became a lot harder, they added 10 frames to the charge of AA DCM and Psycho Sting. Basically TC > U2 is not reliable enough to combo anymore (THANKS MOO!)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on August 09, 2014, 02:21:15 pm
so now people know what I have been saying for years: This game's netcode is ass.
Were you using a wireless connection for those years?
When both players have a "Wired" connection, it feels just like offline(xbox360) for me. Wireless lags too much. It doesn't matter how fast your connection is.
Wireless affects consistency more than anything. Have you played a game with GGPO? Significantly less of a problem even with a 200+ ping connection. SFIV just does not have very good netcode comparatively. It's the only fighting game I've played that can just wig out online like it does.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on August 09, 2014, 03:10:59 pm
lol, lag w/ GGPO is arguably worse and more annoying than normal stuttering lag. GGPO isn't a cure-all for lag. SF3OE used GGPO and when you lagged in that game, matches would rewind, it's the same with regular GGPO too.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on August 09, 2014, 04:48:18 pm
All these years, all these updates and we still can't pick a different stage for training mode...
Even SFXT allows you to do that shit. Come fucking on. That damn song got old 3 years ago for me.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on August 09, 2014, 04:51:53 pm
Hit confirm into a match ending Bnb. *rollback* Oh nah, that shit was parried and and now you're being bodied by a match ending super ko!
Still gotta have a good connection. USF4's netcode could be better but at least it's playable (unless you're on pc right now).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on August 09, 2014, 04:56:36 pm
I'm not gonna lie that's never happened to me. But I'm not going to say it doesn't happen, so fair enough. and the only reason it upsets me is because I have friends in the same state as me (Maryland. Maryland is small as fuck) that will always disconnect with me mid or before the match without fail and the only game it happens in is street fighter IV.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on August 09, 2014, 05:24:48 pm
Wireless affects consistency more than anything. Have you played a game with GGPO? Significantly less of a problem even with a 200+ ping connection.
Just test your wireless connection vs wired for christ sake.
Really, I've only had bad connections with wireless users or people who download crap while playing. I fought LPN 9 games with no lag. He's on the west coast(California) and I'm on the east(Georgia).
A GGPO game? I think I fought TempesT on GGPO years ago. That was the only time I've played it.
Question. Are you just mentioning GGPO(Probably 3rd strike) because it does a better job at hiding terrible connections than SF4? If so, just get a wired connection. Please. =(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on August 09, 2014, 08:52:02 pm
I can't get a wired connection and you know that you fucker! I've told you before! If it were an option don't you think I would have done it before? HAAAANH?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on August 09, 2014, 09:07:15 pm
^ LOL As soon as you mentioned the netcode, I went into *Put him on blast mode* without thinking. Sorry about that. :disappointed:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Shwa on August 11, 2014, 03:53:41 am
Wireless affects consistency more than anything. Have you played a game with GGPO? Significantly less of a problem even with a 200+ ping connection.
remember when they gave charlie a teleport in marvel 2? good times
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on August 12, 2014, 08:45:50 am
I must have been blind as hell or they just added the price to that summer DLC videos description today.
So $3.99 Per dlc Pack. My $12 is ready for 3 of them.........
Edit: Yep, I was blind as hell. :wall:
Juri's costume in action.(Warning. The players are terrible.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCxvXMat7-M
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: XCB on August 12, 2014, 12:03:39 pm
I made a video with Juri's new outfit as well, in case you wanted to see more of the colors.
What surprised me is that there are actually 22 colors to choose from.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on August 12, 2014, 12:11:47 pm
Every now and then I'll run into good Juri players, but most of them suck. I dont blame them. It's because she's a bit difficult to use and requires a bit more effort than the average character. I respect any good Juri player that gives my Chun a hard time.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on August 12, 2014, 12:34:29 pm
What surprised me is that there are actually 22 colors to choose from.
HOLY SHIT! Just checked Ryu's colors. I'm glad you mentioned this. 22 colors for all new outfits. :buttrox:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on August 13, 2014, 08:58:57 am
is that only for the new DLC that you pay for? I played earlier but none of my old costumes had 22 colors....
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Nero D. on August 13, 2014, 11:16:42 pm
only the new dlc
it be like that sometimes
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on August 14, 2014, 12:02:28 am
^ Did he mod the game on PC and mess up the SPD?
I'm in training mode with Alt 3 and can't do what he's doing.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on August 14, 2014, 06:12:27 pm
22 color schemes certainly makes the outfits more worth it.
All Ultras without the cinematic camera. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAzYNXXQQUQ)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on August 14, 2014, 07:30:32 pm
Those can come in very handy.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DaHatMan on August 15, 2014, 12:39:14 am
If anyone is interested there's a gallery on Imgur showing all 22 costume colors for each character. Link here. http://ragegunslinger.imgur.com/
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on August 15, 2014, 12:57:58 am
Cammy's pants have different textures in several of her colors :Q__________
Mario Bros costume for Makoto http://i.imgur.com/54KOL5h.png
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saizo Hattori on August 15, 2014, 01:44:41 am
Thanks for the link DatHatMan. I was thinking in buying 4 of these packs but now that I saw al the colors I think are not worthy and I'll buy just one if any. I will save money :)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Fisher King on August 15, 2014, 01:50:45 am
Many alt colors save some costumes of being completely horrible. C. Viper´s looks really nice with some alt colors but the default one is hideous.
Ibuki´s looks horrible no matter what, lol.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on August 19, 2014, 02:32:35 am
Opt-In for online multiplayer beta testing starting in 2 days on steam.
All prize code titles + EX titles here: http://imgur.com/a/2BU4k#31
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: JeDDyD on August 19, 2014, 08:28:55 am
Method to obtain ALL TITLES for PC (http://w11.zetaboards.com/SFxT_Mods/topic/10483904/1/#new)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on August 26, 2014, 04:51:06 am
anybody play against those ANBU_(name) clan tagged members on PSN? these guys think they're the best players on the internet and its pretty funny. I like smashing them after seeing how cocky they get
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on August 26, 2014, 09:57:52 pm
Fresh anecdote buddy.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jesuszilla on August 30, 2014, 05:40:39 am
Finally played arcade for the first time in like... 3 years.
Hugo's story is about potatoes lol.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on August 30, 2014, 05:59:14 am
Hugo is the highlight of Ultra.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: mh777 on August 31, 2014, 01:28:39 am
Hugo is all about potatoes, his momma, and givin' everyone the clap.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on September 01, 2014, 12:50:48 am
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on September 01, 2014, 06:54:12 am
Dude, chill. If you're going to be childish, do so anywhere except for the forum.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on September 01, 2014, 06:42:37 pm
I was completely joking man! relax! Lol
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Just No Point on September 01, 2014, 09:42:19 pm
That's not how joking on the net works. There is no tone or facial expressions in text. Reading that at face value does not read as a joke and people cannot read your intent. So relax and don't post like that.
Title: Also one cares about how tough you are in ranked matches.
Post by: S.D. on September 01, 2014, 11:21:18 pm
Your constant terrible posts are hardly seen as a playful joke. Also bragging all the time about beating random people online is getting annoying real fast. Just a heads up.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on September 01, 2014, 11:30:49 pm
I was ANBU_Pu$$YSLAY3R and you lagged like fuck!!! GO TO HELL SCRUB
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on September 02, 2014, 01:06:51 am
looks like...Temp doesn't Love U! YeeAAAAAAAHHHH
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on September 03, 2014, 03:17:24 am
Finally got my stick re-wired and working, hello rapid dagger combos, you're a lot easier now. If anyone is up for casuals on PC, hit me up on steam.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on September 03, 2014, 06:31:32 am
Sorry guys. I talk this way on SRK about being in the fight with other players, and the way I talk there is seen as normal. I noticed there was anthony_gamer and from time to time he talks about people who plays against too, so ya know, it doesnt seem like a problem with you guys.
but if it really bothers you then I'll stop. This very thread is just anything that has to do with SFIV, but I guess I'll keep it more general and news related.
SORRY
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on September 03, 2014, 09:26:23 am
I noticed there was anthony_gamer and from time to time he talks about people who plays against too, so ya know, it doesnt seem like a problem with you guys.
When have I talked about people I play against? Better yet, when have I talked about people I play against in the way that you do? Quote one of my previous comments please. I'm confused here.
The only thing "negative" that I've said in my comments was 1 comment towards TempesT and we're cool with each other. You on the other hand come off as this online elitist prick Chun that thinks he's the best.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on September 03, 2014, 03:57:43 pm
Finally got my stick re-wired and working, hello rapid dagger combos, you're a lot easier now. If anyone is up for casuals on PC, hit me up on steam.
Oh, I'll add you as soon as I get home. I still have to play a good Decapre... only thing my friends do with her is mash P like theres no tomorrow. Are you still playing Elf? We played some years ago in PSN. It felt like playing underwater :D but maybe with Steam it will be different.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on September 03, 2014, 04:04:43 pm
My internet is 6 times faster than a year ago nowadays so I gave online a try again after so long and I gotta say it works pretty well on steam when you play on private lobbies. k00p hosted a lobby for me and I barely had any lag input, maybe less than 1/5 of a second, much better than expected (Unlike KOF XIII Steam Edition, which had over a second of lag, uuuuuugh).
Now to wait for them to fix the issues with ranked so I can finally start to get some points... to later lose them all :|
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on September 03, 2014, 04:32:56 pm
I played with people from Chile several times and it went really good (at least on XBL), so I don't think Argentina will be a problem. Let's have some fights later... I play Bison all the way, but I also play with Makoto, Dan, Ken, a little Gen, a little Ryu Malo.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on September 03, 2014, 04:36:02 pm
Eh sure, I'm a gigantic scrub especially against Bison and Zangief but we can give it a try so add me. I'm currently trying to learn How2Decapre.
One can only do so much with an Xbox 360 controller :P
BTW, remember to get into the netcode fixes beta: http://steamcommunity.com/app/45760/discussions/0/34095684441521237/
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on September 03, 2014, 04:57:26 pm
Yeah, I opted in for the beta the day it was launched, it improved the netplay a lot for me.
Still I don't know why the FPS drop so badly the game freezes in my desktop, which is more than decent to run that game. My laptop is not so powerful but runs the game really smoothly.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on September 03, 2014, 06:26:01 pm
When have I talked about people I play against? Better yet, when have I talked about people I play against in the way that you do? Quote one of my previous comments please. I'm confused here.
The only thing "negative" that I've said in my comments was 1 comment towards TempesT and we're cool with each other. You on the other hand come off as this online elitist prick Chun that thinks he's the best.
Woah woah woahhhhh. Bro, with all due respect, let's back up a bit. And since I have good memories playing you in the past because of your skill level and everything, I would like to first establish that I respect you and perhaps we have a misunderstanding here.
First of all I am not saying you are going around on this forum talking like me. I think you might've just got that misconception from what everyone else is making me out to be. Read me quote again:
Quote
I noticed there was anthony_gamer and from time to time he talks about people who plays against too, so ya know, it doesnt seem like a problem with you guys.
From reading it again, you can see that I have not said you are going around acting like a bully or some hardass. I never said you were "talking like me." Far from it. I do, however, remember you mentioning that there were certain notable good players you have played online and you tipped your hat to. Including TempesT, one time it was me (at the time you didnt know it was me), and I think quite a few more players either here on the Guild or anonymously online.
To further establish my point I'll go ahead and say it is a fact you have talked about playing other people, and you have always been humble and positive in your approach to expressing it. There's nothing wrong with talking about people you play against! It's what every good fighter does. It's just sharing experience! Even the pros talk like this.
I, on the other hand, I commend good players too, including you and TempesT. Sometimes I like provoking a fight from people for fun, but it's a game, people shouldn't feel like they're getting bullied over it. And why didn't anyone tell me they were bothered by it up until now? So anyways, now that I have distinguished the differences between you and I, let's hope you can get an understanding that with all due respect I was only making a general relation to you but not saying you're exactly like me.
And as for the rest of you Guild people, you act like I'm some arrogant prick, but far from it. I'm a pretty humble player and I respect many players. You guys act like I'm the aggressor. I'm actually not. I'm often the victim of many cocky players online or offline in tourney scenes. I dont know, some players use their ego and arrogance as a ways and means to boost their confidence, but often they only come off as jerks.
I've played against Vans, I've never disrespected him or anything, matter of fact I helped train him and I would hop onto Endless Mode whenever he asks me to. Vans woops my ass on KOF2k2, and in SF4 I just simply had more experience. Ask Vans' yourself what he thinks about me when he plays against me. I've never insulted nor put him down.
I only put down players online who taunt, act like jerks, who deserve to be put down and should check their egos.
What I am doing when I come in here to talk about, say for example, the ANBU clanmates, is that they have mostly rubbed me off the wrong way and came of as arrogant jerks. They taunt you, their flock together in their clan, and they'll message you saying "YOU SUCK! You're trash! You're not match for me, I dont want your 1 BP and bodying you! I personally believe you aren't in my level." And even when I try to ask them in a nice and civil manner, that I would like a rematch using my main (Chun-Li) and not my worst character (Sagat), they act like pricks who are the best.
So what does a person want to do when you see that person act like a prick? Well I for one know I can beat them, and people like that deserve to be put in their place to cool down their ego a bit. I'm not cocky, not arrogant, not a jerk. You guys got it all wrong. So what's wrong with me trying to talk about these guys on here? What if some of you Guild members will someday face other online jerks like this? Don't you want to be relatable if that shit happened to you?
I already said I was sorry, so I dont know what else to say.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on September 03, 2014, 08:03:03 pm
I already said I was sorry, so I dont know what else to say.
Actually being sincere and not making excuses about how you were misunderstood when bragging about that team of dudes you wrecked for being cocky then saying "well these others guys who post here do the same" and then "no I didn't say you acted like that". Also, not making long ass posts that no one will read because you don't get the entire point : no one cares about the guys you wrecked online, no one cares about your apologies and your excuses. No one thinks you're cool for taking down a bunch of guys who were being cocky on the Internet, no one asked you to show proof of your claims so don't say you have trophies of your fallen enemies. tl;dr just... don't brag like a bro douche.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on September 03, 2014, 08:37:58 pm
I already said I was sorry, so I dont know what else to say.
Actually being sincere and not making excuses about how you were misunderstood when bragging about that team of dudes you wrecked for being cocky then saying "well these others guys who post here do the same" and then "no I didn't say you acted like that". Also, not making long ass posts that no one will read because you don't get the entire point : no one cares about the guys you wrecked online, no one cares about your apologies and your excuses. No one thinks you're cool for taking down a bunch of guys who were being cocky on the Internet, no one asked you to show proof of your claims so don't say you have trophies of your fallen enemies. tl;dr just... don't brag like a bro douche.
ok, fine
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jesuszilla on September 03, 2014, 11:06:47 pm
The only thing "negative" that I've said in my comments was 1 comment towards TempesT and we're cool with each other. You on the other hand come off as this online elitist prick Chun that thinks he's the best.
Most of the people on this board I can say that about, actually, only replace "Chun" with whatever character they're playing since last Tuesday.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on September 03, 2014, 11:26:13 pm
The only thing "negative" that I've said in my comments was 1 comment towards TempesT and we're cool with each other. You on the other hand come off as this online elitist prick Chun that thinks he's the best.
Most of the people on this board I can say that about, actually, only replace "Chun" with whatever character they're playing since last Tuesday.
Finally got my stick re-wired and working, hello rapid dagger combos, you're a lot easier now. If anyone is up for casuals on PC, hit me up on steam.
Oh, I'll add you as soon as I get home. I still have to play a good Decapre... only thing my friends do with her is mash P like theres no tomorrow. Are you still playing Elf? We played some years ago in PSN. It felt like playing underwater :D but maybe with Steam it will be different.
I still play him sometimes, but not as much as I used to, I actually dropped him when AE came out in favor of Ibuki, and now I'm playing Decapre.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on September 04, 2014, 12:21:22 am
Most of the people on this board I can say that about, actually, only replace "Chun" with whatever character they're playing since last Tuesday.
Nah, my Gen sucks since I can barely MK>hands on pad and I'm stubborn and don't want to switch to stick even though I have one. Also, I sorta dropped SFIV since AE so I seldom play Ultra.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on September 04, 2014, 02:35:46 am
Sticks are kinda expensive around here and honestly I'd rather keep upgrading my PC than buying an arcade stick right now considering that maybe I would end up dropping it like you anyway. I've always wondered how much time would it take for one to fully move from a controller to an arcade stick.
But yeah, some characters do look like they could be better played using an arcade stick. It gets painful to try to hold certain buttons while pressing others when I play as Cody or Juri.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on September 04, 2014, 03:39:12 am
I tried for two months or so and my execution wasn't getting any better (This was back when I played ranked match on Super every day and I got super high on the ranking boards, I actually stopped because I started to lose BP and PP because of the stick)
If you're comfortable with pad stick to pad, I can't charge DB to UF on stick so I couldn't do Gen's Oga oki consistently, my wrist is not used to those huge motions and my left thumb is already used to small and quick motions.
Thankfully I've always played with a custom button configuration so holding buttons isn't that much of an issue to me (And MK>hands is less of an issue than with the default button configuration, I still can't pull them consistently)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on September 04, 2014, 03:46:48 am
Hmm... yeah maybe I'll just stick to the controller after all. I just don't feel like doing an investment to later end up not using the arcade stick at all. And I don't even have friends with one to give it a try for a month or two :P
I guess I still need to change my controller though because the 360 is damn uncomfortable after 30 minutes or so. Maybe something more fighting game friendly like a PS3 controller? It felt great last time I played MK9 and UMVC3 with one, or maybe even get the PS4 controller if that one already works on PC just fine and is better for this kind of genre (Haven't bothered to check that kind of info at all even after all these months).
What controller and configuration do you use?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jesuszilla on September 04, 2014, 03:53:30 am
If you're comfortable with pad stick to pad, I can't charge DB to UF on stick so I couldn't do Gen's Oga oki consistently, my wrist is not used to those huge motions and my left thumb is already used to small and quick motions.
What type of gate was on the stick?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on September 04, 2014, 04:28:17 am
USFIV is honestly kinda boring, and although it was released recently I feel like it is just another more nerfed edition of AE 2012.
It might be me, but would anybody enjoy playing Edition Select on Ranked Match or Endless Mode? Wouldnt it be fun with Edition Select in a way such as it is brought back to the tournaments??
If you're comfortable with pad stick to pad, I can't charge DB to UF on stick so I couldn't do Gen's Oga oki consistently, my wrist is not used to those huge motions and my left thumb is already used to small and quick motions.
What type of gate was on the stick?
Judging from the description it sounds like square gate. Octo is meant to avoid issues with diagonals, so...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on September 04, 2014, 05:08:05 am
X-LP square-MP R1-HP O-LK Triangle-MK R2-HK L1-3P L2-3K (That allows me to semi-consistently hands by sliding my thumb upwards and pressing heavy punch with my index at the right moment)
I tried the MCZ fightpads and having all six button on the face is so alien to me, I kinda like having my pokes available at the reach of my thumb and then heavy punch on my index and heavy kick on middle finger, I feel like I'm able to react extremely fast like that (Only because I got used to this configuration for more than a decade)
Shwa is right, I believe it was a square gate, it was a brand new, unmodded TE stick afterall (The first batch actually) Funny thing is that back during middle and high school I used to play at the arcades all the time but I was only able to invest some serious practice at home on my PS1(SFA3)/PS2(GGXX#Reload) so... that's how I got used to pad, for better or worse.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on September 04, 2014, 05:48:12 am
I would have been using the PS3 controller right now if my PS3's didn't die.
I switched to xbox and forced myself to get used to the fightpad. I was double dashing on accident, had sloppy execution, and had to rearrange my buttons at first. I even dropped all charge characters until I got used to it.
It took about 2-3 weeks to figure everything out. Now I can't go back to the PS3 controller. Never touched the 360 one.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on September 04, 2014, 05:59:51 am
lol i've heard stories but is the 360 pad really that bad?
Was considering switching to stick because I had problems hooking up the dualshock to my pc, but that isn't an issue anymore. Too used to the ps pad though.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on September 04, 2014, 06:01:29 am
Funny thing is, before I had a PS3 I used a converter to play on PC and when it broke I had to get a 360 pad so I could hook it up to my PC.
It wasn't THAT bad but I had to put up with it because that's all I had, I know some people prefer to... say, play Marvel on a 360 pad, but still, I wouldn't go back to a 360 pad, I don't like the buttons (They feel too hard and pointy, my fingers hurt after a while), the way the D-pad feels (Not even the new one) or the controller's shape. I can see how the controller works for other non-fighters though but that's it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xan on September 04, 2014, 06:01:43 am
USFIV is honestly kinda boring, and although it was released recently I feel like it is just another more nerfed edition of AE 2012.
It might be me, but would anybody enjoy playing Edition Select on Ranked Match or Endless Mode? Wouldnt it be fun with Edition Select in a way such as it is brought back to the tournaments??
Nope, that's a bad idea. If you like vanilla versions so much, just play vanilla. It was a fun game but some stuff was retarded like trading DPs to Ultras all day or the hadoken trap Ryu had (Hadoken -> You jump -> Super).
Also relevant - this video is delicious:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on September 04, 2014, 07:11:19 am
X-LP square-MP R1-HP O-LK Triangle-MK R2-HK L1-3P L2-3K (That allows me to semi-consistently hands by sliding my thumb upwards and pressing heavy punch with my index at the right moment)
I'm surprised you could do hands at all with that configuration, I couldn't do it at all with my thumb and finger inputs separated, and changing it so they weren't was really awkward and at that point I may as well use a stick or fightpad since it'd be like learning inputs again anyways.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on September 04, 2014, 07:23:14 am
I'm surprised you could do hands at all with that configuration, I couldn't do it at all with my thumb and finger inputs separated, and changing it so they weren't was really awkward and at that point I may as well use a stick or fightpad since it'd be like learning inputs again anyways.
I press X with the lower part of my thumb and then square with the tip and then R1 with my index finger, then square with the tip and R1 again for the fifth input, it really isn't THAT hard but I can see how it's awkward for a stick player haha.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on September 04, 2014, 08:14:12 am
I personally never experienced any stupid broken powers from Dictator though. It's a great kick, his standing medium and standing roundhouse, however personally for me I never found it to be extremely stupid broken or anything. I dunno, maybe Chun-Li has better pokes.
but yeah for other people I guess I can imagine it being a pain. _____________________________________________________________________________
so everyone uses a PS3 controller, MCZ controller, or stick?
I use an eTokki converter and a classic PS2 controller. I dont like the PS3 L2/R2 buttons, so I bought the classic PS2 controllers and used the eTokki (Korean) converter to make it have no input delay. It's a great converter.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Cazaki on September 04, 2014, 08:21:57 am
It's not broken and never was, and Bison doesn't have the same offensive tools other top characters anyway so it was a great move but it's also one of the ONLY moves you have to worry about from him in the neutral game. It's not as broken as, say, AE Yun's standing elbow.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jesuszilla on September 04, 2014, 09:27:36 am
Shwa is right, I believe it was a square gate, it was a brand new, unmodded TE stick afterall (The first batch actually) Funny thing is that back during middle and high school I used to play at the arcades all the time but I was only able to invest some serious practice at home on my PS1(SFA3)/PS2(GGXX#Reload) so... that's how I got used to pad, for better or worse.
Ah... that's indeed odd, I was going to suggest a square gate IF you were using an octagonal gate, since the distance to each direction is more or less equal on a square gate.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on September 04, 2014, 10:07:01 am
Theoretically I shouldn't be having problems with diagonal charges since that's where the stick locks in a square gate, it's just my wrist not getting used to doing big motions and wanting to stop early to do my move as soon as possible and not miss the timing for the Oga crossup.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on September 04, 2014, 12:52:14 pm
lol i've heard stories but is the 360 pad really that bad?
For fighting games where you need extreme precision? Is not optimal at all.
- The D-Pad is stupid and uncomfortable. You end up jumping by just pressing left or right due to the way it works. You only had one job!!!
- The buttons are indeed kinda pointy and uncomfortable to use at times especially when you have to press more than one at the same time.
- The triggers are not suited for fighting games. The difference between the trigger on an idle state and on a pressed state is ambiguous because it's not a button but a trigger with several thresholds. Is not that great for 1 frame combos or anything like that because it's hard to know WHEN you're actually pressing it.
- The RB is known for getting busted eventually due to the way the button was made like and how much use it has in games so if you're unlucky you may eventually find the button getting pressed again while RELEASING it, fucking up combos. The LB gets far less use so it rarely breaks.
- The analog is cool though, can't complain although again, you may jump by accident as expected.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: @Marvel-aRika@ on September 04, 2014, 01:45:03 pm
lol i've heard stories but is the 360 pad really that bad?
Was considering switching to stick because I had problems hooking up the dualshock to my pc, but that isn't an issue anymore. Too used to the ps pad though.
For fighting games where you need extreme precision? Is not optimal at all.
- The D-Pad is stupid and uncomfortable. You end up jumping by just pressing left or right due to the way it works. You only had one job!!!
- The buttons are indeed kinda pointy and uncomfortable to use at times especially when you have to press more than one at the same time.
- The triggers are not suited for fighting games. The difference between the trigger on an idle state and on a pressed state is ambiguous because it's not a button but a trigger with several thresholds. Is not that great for 1 frame combos or anything like that because it's hard to know WHEN you're actually pressing it.
- The RB is known for getting busted eventually due to the way the button was made like and how much use it has in games so if you're unlucky you may eventually find the button getting pressed again while RELEASING it, fucking up combos. The LB gets far less use so it rarely breaks.
- The analog is cool though, can't complain although again, you may jump by accident as expected.
So... Unless you are not PC player, keyboard is way out this things? Unless i'm mistaking and XBOX are also treated with keyboards.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on September 04, 2014, 02:47:12 pm
Keyboard is an entirely different animal. I can't do charge motions for shit on keyboard. This has been said a million times before, but you can use whatever input device best suits you and your own personal style.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on September 04, 2014, 03:51:20 pm
But that doesn't count, that video was only against AIs ;) Was Vanilla Dictator's roundhouse really that bad??
Uh... it has nothing to do with Vanilla Bison, thats some random guy playing ranked and trolling people with standing HK. Bison's s.HK is good, but it has never been broken.
so everyone uses a PS3 controller, MCZ controller, or stick?
I started using an arcade stick consistently 5 years ago. I was very capable using a pad, but after all this time I can't go back to it... I even end hurting my hands when using it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on September 04, 2014, 04:18:19 pm
Uh... it has nothing to do with Vanilla Bison, thats some random guy playing ranked and trolling people with standing HK. Bison's s.HK is good, but it has never been broken.
I started using an arcade stick consistently 5 years ago. I was very capable using a pad, but after all this time I can't go back to it... I even end hurting my hands when using it.
Lol I'm surprised many people fall for that. Then again it's pretty funny at the same time. I should make a video of me hitting people with Chun's "jab to death" technique or her standing roundhouse as well.
I can use a stick but I'm only like 75% coordinated with it :( maybe someday I should switch over to a stick too....
You know, I'm kinda sad they nerfed her. Although it was really strong and it made her ridiculously good in so many ways, there was always a way to win though, you know? I personally would just run away and shoot fireballs so that hopefully one fireball would knock off at least one of her satellite beams. but anyways, good times, she was so ridiculously good in SSFIV days.
Super Rose, Super Dictator, Super Honda... ahhh the good old days.
Good days indeed xD I hope it comes back though!!!!
I know right, if only they added an "edition select" mode to USF4 so we could play with older versions of the characters, you know, like back when they did the same for SF2...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on September 05, 2014, 01:25:38 am
You know, I'm kinda sad they nerfed her. Although it was really strong and it made her ridiculously good in so many ways, there was always a way to win though, you know? I personally would just run away and shoot fireballs so that hopefully one fireball would knock off at least one of her satellite beams. but anyways, good times, she was so ridiculously good in SSFIV days.
For the record, Rose has never been a brain-dead character. You had to be pretty solid in your strategy and execution to score some wins. My style is mostly based on reads, not on her offensive capabilities :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on September 05, 2014, 01:26:07 am
I think they will in the future, for now most players and Capcom is hoping USFIV will be the successor of all of its iterations.
I however, personally feel that if we enable Edition Select as an option for Endless/Ranked Matches online, and try to promote it for tourneys, it would spice up the game a lot. USFIV is still a very new game and people are still optimistic about giving USFIV more time, so we will just have to wait and see what happens in time!
For the record, Rose has never been a brain-dead character. You had to be pretty solid in your strategy and execution to score some wins. My style is mostly based on reads, not on her offensive capabilities :P
Yeah Rose is ridiculously tough character. She has a lot of good tools. Her jumping speed, her pokes, and also that really good backdash she has that complements her DP-like move. She's really good. Anytime I play against a Rose player I take them really seriously, because once Rose has a slight opportunity she hits you really hard. And yeah Rose players usually read people really well. Is it because of her psychic ability??? Naw, some players just are super good with her. But her learning curve, was hard at first, right? The only way to know a lot of reads on other players is to be one who has experienced a lot of matches and learned lots of wisdom from those matches...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on September 05, 2014, 01:27:57 am
Edition select wouldn't last.
Yeah it'd be fun to mess around with, but there's a reason HSF2 didn't last... or Alpha 3 (at least it was different lol). The great cvs2 was torn to shreds until people found out about roll cancel.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on September 05, 2014, 01:33:01 am
Did I have a brain aneurysm a year ago, isn't there already an edition select mode that does exactly what I said in USF4
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on September 05, 2014, 01:34:16 am
Yes, I think he missed the sarcasm. But at the same time I think the means activating that mode on online matches.
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Edition select wouldn't last.
Well, you had "Old" Characters in ST... and people played them.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on September 05, 2014, 01:35:52 am
They'll enable edition select in endless matches in the next big patch along with the new trials. For ranked though? Forget it, no point in enabling broken versions of characters when they wasted so much time trying to balance them all.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on September 05, 2014, 01:43:31 am
Well, you had "Old" Characters in ST... and people played them.
ST didn't have as many selections to choose from though. I mean, it'd be much easier to balance two modes (with little yet effective differences) that have a little over 15 char, rather than up to 4 versions of 24+
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on September 05, 2014, 02:15:33 am
Yo, Anthony I finally got my stick I'm using a circle gate right now, works best for me. HOW THE FUCK DO PEOPLE USE A SQUARE GATE THAT SHIT'S GARBAGE. I'll probably be back on soon to play you in not-Ultra.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on September 05, 2014, 02:22:36 am
You know, I'm kinda sad they nerfed her. Although it was really strong and it made her ridiculously good in so many ways, there was always a way to win though, you know? I personally would just run away and shoot fireballs so that hopefully one fireball would knock off at least one of her satellite beams. but anyways, good times, she was so ridiculously good in SSFIV days.
For the record, Rose has never been a brain-dead character. You had to be pretty solid in your strategy and execution to score some wins. My style is mostly based on reads, not on her offensive capabilities :P
I'll give you strategy but Rose is def not an execution heavy character.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on September 05, 2014, 02:32:55 am
HOW THE FUCK DO PEOPLE USE A SQUARE GATE THAT SHIT'S GARBAGE.
No u. Circular gate is garbage >:( ---
Back in the 90's I used to play in crappy arcades using Happ knockoff joysticks. Those doesn't really have a restrictor gate, so you can say I grew up playing in circle gate. I needed just a month using a Sanwa JLF with square gate to change my habits... now I can't play in circle or octo gates :)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on September 05, 2014, 12:38:14 pm
You know, I'm kinda sad they nerfed her. Although it was really strong and it made her ridiculously good in so many ways, there was always a way to win though, you know? I personally would just run away and shoot fireballs so that hopefully one fireball would knock off at least one of her satellite beams. but anyways, good times, she was so ridiculously good in SSFIV days.
For the record, Rose has never been a brain-dead character. You had to be pretty solid in your strategy and execution to score some wins. My style is mostly based on reads, not on her offensive capabilities :P
I'll give you strategy but Rose is def not an execution heavy character.
I was going through Gootecks' analysis of Louffy's wins at EVO. Many of the things he executed (including evasive maneuvers) to win those matches had to be machine-like, tick-accurate executed, and Gootecks couldn't reproduce but onlye after more than a handful of tries. That guy is amazing, that's why he won, not because Rose is a great character to begin with.
That's where my comment came from.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on September 05, 2014, 08:03:53 pm
Make it so you can look like a fucking baller when it does get announced in 10 years
they made a DarkStalker 4 thread , which we haven't seen any offecial announcment for
for now, lets summon few Hulks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz2cnse-jKQ
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on September 08, 2014, 03:14:15 pm
I think you need to be educated on the definition of context and also lmao if we're gonna be caught dead making a serious thread about a Maximilian video. His opinion is no more indicative of a new Street Fighter than your average schmo's.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lith on September 08, 2014, 03:16:45 pm
So what I get from the video is he provides no source to this and says that they're not sure as to what fighting game it's gonna be but yet he claims it's SF5 in the title for views. Wow.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on September 08, 2014, 03:17:17 pm
understandble , but its not about Maximilian video, but its the only video I found that is talking about this topic ,if were going to something that isn't his videos, then there is this http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/12/street-fighter-v-in-development-confirms-capcom-4758653/
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on September 08, 2014, 03:19:03 pm
Why does that tweet need a thread?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on September 08, 2014, 03:19:39 pm
there was a DS4 thread even when capcom did not announce anything
Context. Ono was overhyping it specifically to push it forward, and there actually was a teaser. So yes, there was something to discuss. But there's absolutely nothing for SF5. Sure, it's probably going to happen, and maybe it's already being working on, hell, there's a fairly decent chance that the job offering from Dimps and Capcom was in fact for SF5, but the thing is still : there's nothing to say.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on September 11, 2014, 10:23:51 am
Street Fighter's community Twitter page just posted this tagged #USF4, can anyone explain!? (http://i.imgur.com/b9Hnkal.jpg) I haven't looked at this thread in over 4 months so if this has already been talked about here then I apologize :/
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jesuszilla on September 11, 2014, 10:33:18 am
... Raccoon.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on September 11, 2014, 10:38:23 am
Probably for that contest where they're asking the people to pick ONE character for SFV.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on September 12, 2014, 06:55:26 pm
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on September 12, 2014, 07:12:31 pm
Mike Watson, classic SF2 champ from the American "OG" days will be hosting a USFIV tournament as a side tournament for his event, calling it "for the kids."
The main games of his event is SSF2T, CvS2, MvC2, and 3rd Strike. It seems he wants to honor the 10th year anniversary for that very moment Daigo had the legendary parry finish at EVo 2004 against Justin Wong. Mike Watson is inviting the SF4 pros, and a lot of oldschool legends of the previous generations.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on September 15, 2014, 01:36:35 am
Mike Watson is inviting the SF4 pros, and a lot of oldschool legends of the previous generations.
Mike Watson!? Holy shit man!! It's great to see that he is still around. I remember reading about him in GamePro back when that magazine was at it's peak.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Gritsmaster on September 15, 2014, 01:44:44 am
I always get hype to see CvS2 in tournament nowadays. Can't wait!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jesuszilla on September 15, 2014, 02:18:51 am
So wait, there's gonna be a CvS2 tourney soon? Let me know when that happens!
Who does she say that against?
Ibuki.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on September 15, 2014, 05:32:42 am
Rocket Raccoon.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on September 15, 2014, 05:47:00 am
Zigzagoon.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on September 15, 2014, 06:13:23 am
balrog
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Red Comet Tyson on September 15, 2014, 07:04:00 am
karnov
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on September 15, 2014, 12:38:00 pm
CvS2 tournament is gonna be ridiculous, guys. They are inviting the well known, world champion, veteran and ruthless A-Groove Japanese player, D44 Bas.
He is the nastiest CvS2 player on earth. I'm excited though!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: BIG BOSS on September 16, 2014, 11:00:28 pm
@Extravagant, check your emails my man.lol
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Luis Alejandro on September 17, 2014, 04:39:07 am
CvS2 tournament is gonna be ridiculous, guys. They are inviting the well known, world champion, veteran and ruthless A-Groove Japanese player, D44 Bas.
He is the nastiest CvS2 player on earth. I'm excited though!
Yea bas is sick whatever..but lets not forget the true american champions(besides vicky and justin) rugal b and steve h!!!! Who did pretty good at ceo but fucked up against vicky
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on September 20, 2014, 10:02:37 am
Why have I not played this yet, I keep telling myself I will and it never happens.
More Omega Mode footage (begins at 19:40):
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on September 20, 2014, 08:49:48 pm
OMEGA BLANKA WITH TELEPORT, this is going to be awesome! Ryu has several target combos, a 2 hit HK and a parry-like special move (!!!). Chun Li can cancel fireballs with her command attack (Similar to Yun and Yang).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on September 20, 2014, 09:10:21 pm
Is this going to include an Unlimited Mars mode? All these EX chars should get a stamina boost.
Too crazy.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on September 20, 2014, 09:12:58 pm
Well i guess capcom said fuck it why not go back to Rainbow edition for fun^^
Mugen must be getting into their blood stream now
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
JK
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on September 20, 2014, 09:17:54 pm
Wasn't there a W.I.P Mugen Ryu that was going to have something like this before Capcom made it official?
Omega Decapre should get Fatal Claw as her new Super and Beast Cannon as a changed Special.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on September 20, 2014, 09:20:21 pm
Hugo had it before in SVC Chaos.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on September 20, 2014, 09:45:11 pm
Somehow the Omega Mode is like a Variation of a character..MKX style or?
Would not be too surprised if there will be another mode and they release it for the ps4 and xbone
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on September 20, 2014, 10:47:07 pm
Somehow Omega mode is more like EX Characters in Guilty Gear. This is awesome... BUT FUCK GUILE HOW I'M SUPPOSED TO BEAT HIM WITH BISON NOW? He throws THREE fucking sonic booms in a row!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on September 20, 2014, 10:48:48 pm
Somehow Omega mode is more like EX Characters in Guilty Gear. This is awesome... BUT FUCK GUILE HOW I'M SUPPOSED TO BEAT HIM WITH BISON NOW? He throws THREE fucking sonic booms in a row!
lol thats its exactly what it is....good way of saying it...
Bison may have to have some projectiles of his own in this version :twisted: lol
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on September 20, 2014, 11:08:56 pm
Wasn't there a W.I.P Mugen Ryu that was going to have something like this before Capcom made it official?
Looks like Capcom is taking a few cues from Mugen. I mean, first we get Decapre which was already a Mugen character for quite a while. Then we also get Megaman VS Street Fighter. Sprites for those characters already existed well before the official announcement. And now we get a customizable Mugen Like incarnation/mode for SFIV.
Sounds a little too convenient to me.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: First Lt. Ding on September 20, 2014, 11:29:59 pm
If Capcom was taking from Mugen, then Evil Ryu would be summoning zombies ala Jill, Ken would have Final Justice copy/pasted out of Captain America and Dhalsim's new ultra would have him grab you with his stretchy arms and hold you out into a thunderstorm.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on September 20, 2014, 11:42:01 pm
Then we also get Megaman VS Street Fighter. Sprites for those characters already existed well before the official announcement.
Game which was not developed by Capcom at all but by a fan who may or may not have worked with other people to create the sprites. Style (Megaman like sprites) which also was exploited to death by now so of course those sprites existed in the past.
Wasn't there a W.I.P Mugen Ryu that was going to have something like this before Capcom made it official?
Looks like Capcom is taking a few cues from Mugen. I mean, first we get Decapre which was already a Mugen character for quite a while. Then we also get Megaman VS Street Fighter. Sprites for those characters already existed well before the official announcement. And now we get a customizable Mugen Like incarnation/mode for SFIV.
Sounds a little too convenient to me.
lol i believe it man. maybe not all of it but they are taking notes when they feel like it from us "mod" fighting gamers. Ono already was proudly to admit he got inspired by that SSF4 Rolento mod that guy did in his video so im sure mugen and other stuff capcom is sneaking a peek here n there
If Capcom was taking from Mugen, then Evil Ryu would be summoning zombies ala Jill, Ken would have Final Justice copy/pasted out of Captain America and Dhalsim's new ultra would have him grab you with his stretchy arms and hold you out into a thunderstorm.
Maybe not THAT extreme but they are taking some sort of notes haha.
They would probably have made Evil Ken a thing. Or, they would bring back the Rain Cloud Tatsu.
A violent Brainwashed Ken like the old anime movie? hell yes! i been hoped for that and i dont know why it hasnt happened yet^^
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on September 20, 2014, 11:56:32 pm
Lol at Capcom stealing from Mugen.
Not that they're oblivious of it's existence (and maybe toy with an idea or two), but I'm pretty sure they have better things to do than carelessly copy off of "create-a-fighter" trends and weirdo edits.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on September 21, 2014, 12:01:45 am
If they're monitoring a community, they're probably monitoring their own, which is the community that plays SFIV and messes around with the game's engine with mods and character porting.
There's a far bigger chance of the Koryuu & Remix mods being the ones responsible of giving Capcom the idea of Omega mode than anything ever done in Mugen.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on September 21, 2014, 12:22:02 am
Not that they're oblivious of it's existence (and maybe toy with an idea or two), but I'm pretty sure they have better things to do than carelessly copy off of "create-a-fighter" trends and weirdo edits.
Nothing wrong in a professional coder getting a bit inspired by a amateur coder man haha The stuff i saw in that video are basically the same things ive seen in some mugen edits. Not saying mugen was entirely the source of inspiration of Omega but somebody seen somethin somewhere. That SSF4 Mod of rolento alone inspired Ono to toss in rolento for a new upgrade of the game which he admited himself so companies not taking a peek at certain things isnt unlikely and it isnt careless if it actually works to sell to folks out there.
Im sure there are people out there who hate the idea of this Omega mode concept though
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on September 21, 2014, 12:35:02 am
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Hoyokusen, Tensei Ranka, Shippujinraikyaku, Opening Gambit Total Wipeout, Tiger Raid, Yoga Legend have all become EX Specials now
I like this trend. I'm interested to see what else this is going to apply to.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Saikoro on September 21, 2014, 01:31:05 am
Then we also get Megaman VS Street Fighter. Sprites for those characters already existed well before the official announcement.
Game which was not developed by Capcom at all but by a fan who may or may not have worked with other people to create the sprites. Style (Megaman like sprites) which also was exploited to death by now so of course those sprites existed in the past.
A violent Brainwashed Ken like the old anime movie? hell yes! i been hoped for that and i dont know why it hasnt happened yet^^
So uhhh.... Violent Ken?
yeah. I said brainwashed because thats what happened to ken in the old SF anime movie back then by M bison. But the name Violent Ken...same thing haha...
An evil version of ken period should have been happened in SSF4 AE when Evil Ryu was added....Personally i would have liked that much more than the Decapre character in USSF4 majorly
Title: Nice random bold for emphasis I guess.
Post by: S.D. on September 21, 2014, 02:39:31 am
Uhh, it's pretty obvious that you're talking about the SF anime version of Ken, you know? Anyways Violent Ken's name in the JP version of SvC is Sennou Ken, which means "brainwashed Ken", so...
Nice opinion but people would've bitched way more about "Evil Ken" being added than Decapre (I mean, people are already implying that Capcom is ripping off Mugen with Omega)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: GalFord on September 21, 2014, 02:47:31 am
I can't wait to see Omega Ver. Rose and Makoto...
Although, Did Omega Ryu have a parry in the video where Daigo took him for a spin?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Kirishima on September 21, 2014, 04:08:59 am
They're just recycling existing animations so I don't see that happening.
The closest we can get is them reusing Dirty Bull's animation where Boxer has a stomp for a kick. I can see it as sharing Kim Kaphwan's OTG or relaunching the opponent in the air.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ShinRei on September 21, 2014, 04:12:18 am
Is this mode only offline? Has it been stated already? If its just like the version select :/
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: The Shakunetsu on September 21, 2014, 04:17:18 am
what if OMEGA STUFF
remember the guy that hacks rolento in SF4 where the first idea came. plus versus stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyTtbCiinmY
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on September 21, 2014, 04:31:02 am
Is this mode only offline? Has it been stated already? If its just like the version select :/
Its online too but only in unranked mode
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on September 21, 2014, 10:51:32 am
I'm just excited for Edition Select on Endless now. Time to fuck everyone up with Vanilla characters. Time To have some fun revisiting old characters ;)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on September 22, 2014, 08:33:20 am
I just burst out laughing while watching. Man I need this mode. :laugh3:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on September 22, 2014, 09:17:43 am
His salt throwing seems to be super in-effective though =(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on September 22, 2014, 03:56:12 pm
That's what happens when you get salty, I guess...
My only gripe with this mode is the damage output is too damn high. Yesterday I saw a Blanka combo using the new "launcher" he got linked into EX Vertical rolling attack and it dealt almost 500 points (half bar) of damage.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: C.R.O.M Lando on September 22, 2014, 04:11:44 pm
If they're monitoring a community, they're probably monitoring their own, which is the community that plays SFIV and messes around with the game's engine with mods and character porting.
There's a far bigger chance of the Koryuu & Remix mods being the ones responsible of giving Capcom the idea of Omega mode than anything ever done in Mugen.
I def agree with that . But ahhh ya never know. Honestly mugen never even came to mind when i first saw the Omega vids, what came to my mind was back then they had the sf2 hack arcade game that had some keen similar stuff wild and crazy going on with the fighters doing things they normally wouldnt do or exaggerated already movesets.....and on turbo at that. lol. Cool idea if they used that as a basis to add in somethingg funny from the past but done kinda cool.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on September 22, 2014, 04:32:50 pm
Fan made hacks of SF2 Champ Edition gave us Hyper Fighting and shit like Aerial Tatsumakis and Chun-Li's Kikouken.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: C.R.O.M Lando on September 22, 2014, 04:42:54 pm
Hyper fighting was already out but a arcade hack went even further than that with the speed and insanity. So pretty much exactly the fan folks at arcades input a modded chipboard that hacked the game. We had a few around my old childhood arcade...the lines for it was ridiculous. Lol Matter of fact, that same hack also let guile shoot out multiple sonic booms on screen and ehonda hundred hand slapp went almost across screen and could pop out a hadoken. Lmao. Insanity.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on September 22, 2014, 05:41:16 pm
Sorry I'm late to this party but, they're finally going all KOF 98 with SF4! :D
I'm down with this, yes sir. My main complaint has always been how they've tried too hard at keeping the franchise tame and accessible (This is why I hated CVS), but this looks like a change in the right direction :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Seadragon77 on September 22, 2014, 06:38:20 pm
I'm liking Omega Mode. Gives me all the more reason to upgrade my copy of Super Street Fighter IV to Ultra via digital (no need to buy a new copy of the game.. kinda pointless when it's digital, you know).
I can't wait to see what kind of wacky shit they can give some of the others.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on September 22, 2014, 08:55:03 pm
Wasn't Combofiend the one that uploaded this video? Yeah, Capcom took it down because of copyright claims.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on September 22, 2014, 09:25:00 pm
Combofiend is the one talking but maybe that particular one was a reupload ? It's still available on the Capcom Fighters channel, but I don't know whose that is. (I mean I assume it's Capcom but I don't know if it's Combofiend's or some other generic Capcom channel)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on September 23, 2014, 12:51:35 am
Fan made hacks of SF2 Champ Edition gave us Hyper Fighting and shit like Aerial Tatsumakis and Chun-Li's Kikouken.
Wait, a hack gave us air spin kicks? Wooooooooow...
Chunli can do Sonic Booms while doing her Spinning Bird Kick and Lightning Legs.
Ken and Ryu's Shoryuken has multiple fireballs. It made the game looked like a Immaterial and Missing Power.
Is that a TH game? Because, if so, that makes perfect sense... Hopefully, the game will still retain balance, though, which I highly doubt at this point.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: rgveda99 on September 23, 2014, 03:37:53 am
Is that a TH game? Because, if so, that makes perfect sense... Hopefully, the game will still retain balance, though, which I highly doubt at this point.
Not really. But it sure had a lot of projectiles.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 23, 2014, 06:06:39 pm
well the basic strategy is to fill the screen with ryu/guile projectiles, ryu being the op character because his shoryuken is horizontal and can go through projectiles.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on September 23, 2014, 07:07:10 pm
Guile could also throw Sonic Booms without charging at all, and they had pursuit properties :|
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on September 23, 2014, 07:55:51 pm
you also ahd air hadoukens and sonic booms, so you could jump, do air hadouken, it would sned you back to a state where jumping was posible again so you could keep on going until you dissapeared from the screen.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on September 23, 2014, 08:46:29 pm
Jump Installs way before Guilty Gear "invented" them...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on September 23, 2014, 08:55:38 pm
You could also morph into anyone with Start, and I saw a version that caused the ground to spin around in 3D, like in Tekken or something.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on September 23, 2014, 08:57:35 pm
Ha, yeah, morphing into anyone was cool.
The version you mention had also the background scrolling really fast? We used to call it "Street Fighter Train" around here :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on September 23, 2014, 09:00:27 pm
Terry and Andy were in some versions of the game. Sorry, wrong hack :P
Dhalsim moved ultra fast too, lol
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on September 23, 2014, 09:05:00 pm
you also ahd air hadoukens and sonic booms, so you could jump, do air hadouken, it would sned you back to a state where jumping was posible again so you could keep on going until you dissapeared from the screen.
You didn't really disappear, if you kept doing it, you'd reappear on the bottom and continue going up. I think the max screen loops was 3, then with Guile you could perform an air throw (if you were at the appropriate horizontal distance) and travel the screen vertically 3 times all the way into the ground.
Man, those were the days.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: C.R.O.M Lando on September 23, 2014, 10:24:48 pm
Guile was pretty wild too. Flash kicks let out projectiles ....kinda like charlies does but much faster. Those multiple sonic booms were no joke! That hack had zero balance and was all out insanity. Worse one was zangief. His damage was insane as well his pile driver special had extreme vacuum suck in range to grad you. He was a nightmare other than trying to hit a teleportin all over the place dahlsim.....then again....M.Bison was off the scale with that zipping around back and forth drill that you could actually control it momentum and stop when you wanted it to stop and go right into another one.
Good times indeed. Lol
I think they may try to keep it more tame in this version. I fear any tourneys that will have this running.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on September 23, 2014, 10:36:52 pm
...And with any characters with traveling attacks, they could be used indefinitely. Also, Ken's Shoruken was a instant KO. And, Tiger Uppercut caused a Yoga Flame to spawn randomly.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: C.R.O.M Lando on September 23, 2014, 11:00:24 pm
Total craziness indeed. Lol and was tons of various hacks. So if they are takin some of these ideas and making them more solid for gameplay then this will be the best sf4 version out. I must get this when comes out cause my other disk is broke.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on September 24, 2014, 02:03:06 am
"As we continue to develop and refine the Street Fighter series, we feel that there's probably a group of people out there who think that the improvements and changes are getting increasingly narrow-minded and dull," Ayano told Famitsu.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on September 29, 2014, 09:09:28 pm
That basically sums it up.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: ESFAndy011 on October 04, 2014, 01:37:33 am
Anyone got any news on when Omega Mode is getting released? Because according to Combofiend, it's not getting released along with the 1.04 patch.
A release window for Ultra Street Fighter 4's Omega Mode DLC patch has been unveiled for the first time. The Omega Mode patch will be headed your way sometime in Winter 2014, Capcom announced today at their "The World of Capcom" panel at the New York Comic-Con.
Other than a Winter 2014 release window, Capcom also confirmed that Omega Mode will be playable online in unranked lobbies.
They also reiterated that a separate, earlier patch would be coming later this month for Ultra Street Fighter 4 that will undo the unintended changes made to Rolento and Decapre, fix a few bugs, as well as vastly improve the online play environment for the PC version of the game.
I thought it was October too.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on October 10, 2014, 04:04:17 pm
I remember reading it in some tweet or hearing about it in the first video... oh well, I'm still busy with P4U, so I can wait.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on October 10, 2014, 06:47:57 pm
great gotta wait even longer for Edition Select -____-
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on October 10, 2014, 07:05:30 pm
Edition select was available since day 1, you are going to wait for Omega Edition.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on October 10, 2014, 07:52:52 pm
A release window for Ultra Street Fighter 4's Omega Mode DLC patch has been unveiled for the first time. The Omega Mode patch will be headed your way sometime in Winter 2014, Capcom announced today at their "The World of Capcom" panel at the New York Comic-Con.
Other than a Winter 2014 release window, Capcom also confirmed that Omega Mode will be playable online in unranked lobbies.
They also reiterated that a separate, earlier patch would be coming later this month for Ultra Street Fighter 4 that will undo the unintended changes made to Rolento and Decapre, fix a few bugs, as well as vastly improve the online play environment for the PC version of the game.
I thought it was October too.
Coulda sworn someone said it was coming October. Ah well.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on October 11, 2014, 02:58:27 pm
Capcom Unity originally stated that it would be bundled with the 1.04 patch (post was taken down since), so that would explain it.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on October 14, 2014, 07:48:19 am
A GameStart today in Singapore, Capcom announced that they'll be releasing additional costumes for the game as DLC in the future, called "Wild" outfits, it showed a handful of cast members as human-like animals.
Dudley was a bulldog, Ryu a wolf, Gen a goat, Hakan an octopus and Cammy a fox. Here's an image.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on October 25, 2014, 05:47:20 pm
Oh God... furry costumes. I think they're finally planning a costume pack I don't want to buy at all.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: videoman on October 25, 2014, 05:50:53 pm
A costume contest would be nice!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on October 25, 2014, 05:52:34 pm
Yuck.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Red Comet Tyson on October 25, 2014, 05:53:12 pm
bulldog instead of boxer :(
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on October 25, 2014, 05:59:42 pm
Oh damn, I just noticed that Hakan is an octopus...
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
It's time to oil up!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: UrbaneVirtuoso on October 25, 2014, 06:32:27 pm
A GameStart today in Singapore, Capcom announced that they'll be releasing additional costumes for the game as DLC in the future, called "Wild" outfits, it showed a handful of cast members as human-like animals.
Dudley was a bulldog, Ryu a wolf, Gen a goat, Hakan an octopus and Cammy a fox. Here's an image.
Reminds me so hard of Bloody Roar...
Title: D:
Post by: Watta on October 25, 2014, 07:38:13 pm
Beside that, I believe those animal costumes are the same shit than those super bitchy looking outfits in SoulCalibur Lost Swords and DOA5.
Well made, but completely unfitting for the characters with some exceptions like a Jaguar costume for Adon maybe.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on October 25, 2014, 11:29:43 pm
I thought Wolf Ryu made sense. Zangeif should be a bear, and M. Bison, well, should be a bison. And Balrog should be a bull. But, what would Guile be? A horse?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on October 25, 2014, 11:36:14 pm
BTW, i like Ryu Wolf and Cammy Fox. Gen Goat reminds me Goat Simulator. Dudley Bulldog looks funny. Hakan "Oiltopus" looks so damn creepy. :fear:
Really can't wait to see the others.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: GalFord on October 26, 2014, 09:47:28 pm
If Zangief isn't a Bear then screw that... :P
I can't wait to see what Rose will be, but aside from that.. meh.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: City_Hunter on October 26, 2014, 10:34:01 pm
well this is actually pretty cool cant wait to see rufus
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on October 26, 2014, 10:37:05 pm
Rufus should be... Kung Fu Panda ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeckFace on October 27, 2014, 12:57:40 am
A "Blaandie" Kung Fu Panda, maybe. And Ken will be a Lion or something.
I wonder if somehow, they'll make Chun-Li a horse in an attempt to mock her thigh-loving fans. Knowing the porn culture online though, that could horribly backfire.
Claw Balrog could be a purple python, and Dhalsim might be a Kind Cobra.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on October 27, 2014, 01:01:03 am
I wonder if somehow, they'll make Chun-Li a horse in an attempt to mock her thigh-loving fans. Knowing the porn culture online though, that could horribly backfire.
Lol, well Hakan IS a octopus...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on October 28, 2014, 07:14:55 am
Why is everyone morphed into an actual animal, and Cammy is just wearing a furry outfit? Dafuq?
Ryu not being a dragon is a little dissapointing to me. Sagat better be a fucking tiger.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jesuszilla on October 28, 2014, 07:54:30 am
because furries only want their women to be semi-furry but they themselves full-on furry.
hope that helps.
- George
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Reck on October 28, 2014, 10:12:41 am
Never really understood the furry fandom. To be completely honest, it seems a little too "beastiality" for me. (Disregard my ignorance, just don't really know much about the furry "culture") guess I can add this to the list of fandoms I don't quite understand, right next too Juggalos & Bronies.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on October 28, 2014, 02:57:53 pm
I like the wolf Ryu, and I feel like a dragon is cool in concept, but would look pretty stupid in execution. But you guys are right if Sagats not a Tiger and Adon's not a Jaguar I'm calling bullshit. (what would Makoto be though...)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on October 28, 2014, 05:45:33 pm
dont get why they made cammy look human
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on October 28, 2014, 08:53:54 pm
I gotta admit I love how she looks in the outfit, but it is definitely biased. Is Capcom afraid to take female sexiness out of the game?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on October 29, 2014, 01:00:14 am
Never really understood the furry fandom. To be completely honest, it seems a little too "beastiality" for me. (Disregard my ignorance, just don't really know much about the furry "culture") guess I can add this to the list of fandoms I don't quite understand, right next too Juggalos & Bronies.
as long as you understand the netorare fandom it's ok.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Xhominid on October 29, 2014, 06:25:03 am
Never really understood the furry fandom. To be completely honest, it seems a little too "beastiality" for me. (Disregard my ignorance, just don't really know much about the furry "culture") guess I can add this to the list of fandoms I don't quite understand, right next too Juggalos & Bronies.
as long as you understand the netorare fandom it's ok.
Fuck the Netorare fandom...all over the hentai segment and made it dreary as shit to read through now. It's like in every 3rd doujin I sift through.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jesuszilla on October 29, 2014, 06:47:54 am
first rule of [E]: never take him seriously.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on October 31, 2014, 07:18:49 pm
New details on Omega mode. http://shoryuken.com/2014/10/31/rose-thorns-tiger-raids-and-chariot-tackles-get-a-look-at-whats-new-in-ultra-street-fighter-ivs-omega-mode/
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on November 03, 2014, 05:07:18 pm
Oh crap, Seth just gained URIEN'S CHARIOT TACKLE! Looking forward for the modding community to fully turn him into Urien somehow.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jesuszilla on November 03, 2014, 05:09:36 pm
They haven't already?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on November 04, 2014, 12:29:10 am
Kinda (http://i48.tinypic.com/34y2o1h.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on November 04, 2014, 12:34:27 am
Everything in that shot looks better than the actual game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on November 04, 2014, 01:00:32 am
How so exactly? Elaborate on your post.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on November 04, 2014, 01:35:05 am
Well, the health bar looks better perfectly straight, that nightime mod looks awesome, and Tux Ken is one of the best alts I've ever seen. Even the power bars look cleaner.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 04, 2014, 01:43:16 am
Amusingly enough I was just thinking the opposite on each of those points. Except Tux Ken, he's fine.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on November 04, 2014, 04:04:42 am
So, are you aware that the "clean" look is because that's the PC version and it's THE actual game? The "Night time mod" for the bonus stage is not that good either, there's no atmospheric perspective, the lighting is all wrong and it looks nothing like actual night time (The back alley stage is a good example of how things should look) and it makes it look like a PS2 game. Also the alt is that, just an alt... calling it "one of the best alts ever" is a gigantic stretch.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on November 04, 2014, 04:24:59 pm
Don't be harsh; that was one of those "vg companies never get anything right" post... just ignore him.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on November 04, 2014, 09:01:46 pm
No, it wasn't...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Titiln on November 04, 2014, 09:07:18 pm
yeah it is. you're complaining about capcom doing a bad job because it's the cool thing to do, when the modded stuff is on par with capcom's work if not worse. the urien mod looks like he's made of chocolate
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on November 04, 2014, 09:29:55 pm
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on November 04, 2014, 09:36:12 pm
Well, when you say something like "everything in that shot looks better than the actual game" (which it doesn't for reasons SD already mentioned), it kinda sounds like you're saying Capcom did a crappy job (heh).
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Japanese Jesus on November 05, 2014, 12:09:34 am
Dear Byakko, master of Street Fighter .. If Dan is Chinese, why does he have a Japanese surname?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 05, 2014, 12:17:56 am
The Capcom Wiki (http://capcom.wikia.com/wiki/Dan) says he's Japanese born in Hong Kong. Gou was clearly Japanese. That being said, Japanese and Chinese names are a little tricky. They can have a name in Kanjis, and regardless of where the person is born, Chinese people will naturally use the Chinese reading while Japanese people will obviously read the Japanese reading of the kanjis. so someone named, say, Lu Bu in China will naturally be called Ryoufu in Japan, because that's how they read the kanjis. Not that it's the case here, but it felt relevant to point out. Dan could still have been Chinese and have his name NOT be read as Hibiki in China. But still, he's Japanese.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 05, 2014, 12:22:55 am
byakko should stop plugging ikkitousen references.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 05, 2014, 12:24:08 am
It's the Romance of the Three Kingdoms... I never touched Ikkitousen. If anything, it's a Dynasty Warriors reference :P where the text reads Cao Cao but the voices say Sou Sou.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 05, 2014, 12:47:08 am
that's what you say to the fbi, yeah.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on November 05, 2014, 01:27:25 am
Why is everyone morphed into an actual animal, and Cammy is just wearing a furry outfit? Dafuq?
BLOG POST (http://www.capcom.co.jp/blog/sf4/saikyo_blog/2014/10/31_7950.html) with higher resolution images reveals that these are masks and costumes, no bloody roar transformation whatsoever.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Whiplash- on November 05, 2014, 01:36:41 am
Okay, even though that is the case... why is Cammy not wearing a mask or full body outfit like everyone else?
Also, did they release a date for Omega mode yet? It's the only reason I care about ultra at all currently.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 05, 2014, 01:50:47 am
BLOG POST (http://www.capcom.co.jp/blog/sf4/saikyo_blog/2014/10/31_7950.html) with higher resolution images reveals that these are masks and costumes
I can't find any comment saying that, it describes the "costumes" but that's the same term as the other alternate costumes. Ryu is a wolf because lone wolf. And no date yet for these costumes, just whenever they have an opening in the schedule.
Oh, it also says that next week (i.e. this week-end) they'll show the Omega mode for Abel, Viper, Fuerte, Rufus, Cammy, Fei Long, Dee Jay, T Hawk - the newcomers from both SF2 and SF4.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on November 05, 2014, 01:56:02 am
I feel like the costumes just being costumes is kind of a cop-out and takes away from it a little bit, but maybe that's just me.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jesuszilla on November 05, 2014, 01:56:38 am
The Capcom Wiki (http://capcom.wikia.com/wiki/Dan) says he's Japanese born in Hong Kong. Gou was clearly Japanese. That being said, Japanese and Chinese names are a little tricky. They can have a name in Kanjis, and regardless of where the person is born, Chinese people will naturally use the Chinese reading while Japanese people will obviously read the Japanese reading of the kanjis. so someone named, say, Lu Bu in China will naturally be called Ryoufu in Japan, because that's how they read the kanjis. Not that it's the case here, but it felt relevant to point out. Dan could still have been Chinese and have his name NOT be read as Hibiki in China. But still, he's Japanese.
and it's because of this that we get JoJo Part 4 which takes place in DUWANG and a tritagonist named Guanglai Kangyi whose name we don't need to remember
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Speedpreacher on November 05, 2014, 02:00:45 am
I feel like the costumes just being costumes is kind of a cop-out and takes away from it a little bit, but maybe that's just me.
Agreed......More fighters ......... JOE!!!!!!!
I think you mean Retsu.
Title: "costumes just being costumes" is a terrible argument.
Post by: S.D. on November 05, 2014, 04:18:06 am
The human chins were visible in the low res pics too, I thought it was kind of obvious, especially due the abrupt change of color? Also, people complaining about "costumes just being costumes" is hilarious. Go and play Bloody Roar or something.
Both of these replies are out of context as fuck. What the hell are you talking about? I shouldn't be surprised give the track record of these users, but...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: タイタニックリバース on November 05, 2014, 04:21:13 am
We were talking about the animal costume thing.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 05, 2014, 04:22:30 am
... No, you were talking about new characters. There's no possible way you were talking about animal costumes when mentioning characters that aren't in the game and that aren't animals. Especially when saying "more characters" right before naming new characters. How are you even trying to say you were talking about the animal costumes ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on November 05, 2014, 04:24:53 am
Besides the fact that it had nothing to do with discussing the costumes, why is this being brought up again? Didn't we establish that they were too uninteresting to revive some 50-60 pages ago, I thought we were past this.
I feel like the costumes just being costumes is kind of a cop-out and takes away from it a little bit, but maybe that's just me.
Agreed......More fighters ......... JOE!!!!!!!
I think you mean Retsu.
Hellz yeah!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on November 05, 2014, 04:35:34 am
lol are you just trolling
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jesuszilla on November 05, 2014, 04:40:09 am
It's nice to see how even after my 2 year absence, Sky79 is still a nobody who shitposts and flamebaits in an attempt to make his presence known.
Or maybe he's just a fucking idiot.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on November 05, 2014, 04:44:18 am
jz, you really dont need to go 0 to 100 so quick like that.
overly hostile posts like that dont solve anything, they make things worse.
once again, the reports do the job 100%, theres no need to go over the top.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jesuszilla on November 05, 2014, 04:47:35 am
I wouldn't have said anything if it were the first time I've seen or heard of him doing one of these things today.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Umezono on November 05, 2014, 04:48:26 am
@sky79: please do not deliberately derail this topic for reactions. and i mean the topic at hand, the discussion was obviously on the animal costumes and you decided to throw a wrench in it im assuming for laughs
thank you.
@jesuszilla: feel free to pm, i dont want to derail any further
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Sky79 on November 05, 2014, 04:54:34 am
@sky79: please do not deliberately derail this topic for reactions. and i mean the topic at hand, the discussion was obviously on the animal costumes and you decided to throw a wrench in it im assuming for laughs
Actually, that wasn't my intention at all, but so be it. It is what it is.
But now I'm wondering what they've planed for Honda. Japanese Raccoon-dog maybe?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 05, 2014, 01:28:48 pm
dude, dudleys face looks like its distorted as fuck now that i see its his chin
I don't think this one is supposed to be his chin.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Memo on November 06, 2014, 04:26:10 am
Any of you guys have this? can you tell me little bit about Kens omega mode moveset? im interested of making his omega mode moveset for Jmorphmans ken.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on November 06, 2014, 04:45:42 am
Yeah uh... Omega mode isn't out.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Memo on November 06, 2014, 04:59:12 am
Silly question but do you mean the mode itself or a release date?
No date for Omega mode yet.
I must admit, becoming slightly more intrigued. At least it will break up the monotony of playing the regular game.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 15, 2014, 03:47:43 am
http://www.capcom-unity.com/combofiend/blog/2014/11/13/an-introduction-to-the-usfiv-omega-edition-characters-part-iv Random stuff for the Alpha people : Ninja Guy, Final Fight Cody, aggressive Rose, chain combo Gen, Dan, Sakura, ground strikes Adon, jungle commando Rolento. Next week is SF3.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Toonar12X on November 16, 2014, 07:47:03 pm
http://www.capcom-unity.com/combofiend/blog/2014/11/13/an-introduction-to-the-usfiv-omega-edition-characters-part-iv Random stuff for the Alpha people : Ninja Guy, Final Fight Cody, aggressive Rose, chain combo Gen, Dan, Sakura, ground strikes Adon, jungle commando Rolento. Next week is SF3.
watching a vid about it right now.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 16, 2014, 07:50:42 pm
... Look at the date. It's two months old. It was the video made to announce the Omega mode we've all been talking about for a while, everyone here has seen it already. Don't be dumb.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jango Hakamichi on November 17, 2014, 08:43:24 am
Even better: That vid is on the page preceding this one as well
:flipout:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on November 21, 2014, 08:59:39 am
I say that's supposed to be a kappa. (http://i.imgur.com/CRyn3W5.png)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 25, 2014, 09:23:17 am
I know right, it looked like that to me too, but I wasn't too sure. He looks a lot like a Ninja Turtle as well, and if he's a kappa, having someone else as a turtle might be too close for comfort. Plus I don't think there's anyone who's a legendary creature, they're all real world creatures so far, so I guess having a kappa in the middle of this would be odd ?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on November 25, 2014, 09:26:22 am
Plus I don't think there's anyone who's a legendary creature, they're all real world creatures so far
Isn't Chun Li supposed to be a dragon?
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: DKDC on November 25, 2014, 11:20:54 am
I have no idea what she is. She looks like some kind of bird to me. But you're right, they did say that Ryu wasn't a dragon because there would be someone else who was going to be a dragon...
... yeah okay, Honda is definitely a kappa, the lack of hair on the top of his head seems to be typical of them.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Mami on November 25, 2014, 05:35:59 pm
Plus I don't think there's anyone who's a legendary creature, they're all real world creatures so far
Isn't Chun Li supposed to be a dragon?
Chun-Li is Suzaku/Zhu Que/whatever we're supposed to call the Vermillion Bird. So yeah, legendary territory.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: FeLo_Llop on November 25, 2014, 06:03:26 pm
Chunners seems more a crane frommy humble point of view. Even a Phoenix, just look at those "tail" feathers(and red colour!).
Anyway, what on Earth is Juri supposed to be? And Sagat's face looks like Kintarooo LMAO!!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on November 25, 2014, 09:42:51 pm
Some of the look good but the majority...terrible.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on November 26, 2014, 12:37:43 am
I just noticed that they have yet to put the USFIV preorder costumes on the store. Will they be forever exclusive to USFIV preorders or what? Capcom usually releases the preorder crap as DLC in a month or two max.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on November 30, 2014, 08:58:09 pm
Juri has new hold-kick special moves. Hakan has a launcher and can cancel into Shower more. Evil Ryu has a Sphere Flame, a new multi hit axe kick and couple of new target combos Oni has a new uppercut / misogi special, and a divekick. Poison has an anti air projectile, and EX Whip will autocomplete the last three hits if the first one lands.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Knuckles8864 on December 01, 2014, 12:44:01 am
So, I was playing arcade mode with Guy, and I randomly found Cody. And when I got beat by him, he said "Forget about it, Guy. Those days are long gone. What's done is done." If you play with Cody and get up to his rival match, who is Guy, he says "Look, man. People change. I've changed. You've changed. That's the way it is."
I suppose this is a story-wise kind of deal, but it's nice that Cody has a different quote, and led me to think, could there be a few more we haven't discovered? Either way, it's a pretty nice thing Capcom did for the two of them. (But more specifically Cody.)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on December 01, 2014, 10:31:55 am
It's not that much of a mystery at all, every rival fight has those quotes and the same happens when you encounter who would be your rival if you were the opposite player. In this case Guy is Cody's rival but playing as Guy, whose rival is Rose, and encountering Cody will still trigger the quotes because you're your opponent's rival.
I wish we could have those quotes triggered during versus mode as well. So much banter you'll probably never hear, but not me! I got the damn arcade mode achievement :P
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Iced on December 01, 2014, 10:58:36 am
It still bothers me how they removed special intros and winposes. I know that KOF was the one that popularized it, but it added some flair to versus matches when Chun li would pull a gun on Dictator.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on December 01, 2014, 11:19:44 am
Don't worry about it, KOF got rid of them too.
...There's always BlazBlue I guess...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on December 01, 2014, 11:22:07 am
Eh, stuff like that was cool and all but it was extremely minor and had no bearing on the game itself. Really it feels like they've been slowly phased out of the genre as a whole, Blazblue is the ONLY one that still has it, and even then they just use recycled anims for it for the most part.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on December 01, 2014, 11:30:05 am
Besides, most players don't let intros rock and just skip them.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on December 01, 2014, 11:50:30 am
Unless it's Arcsys netplay in which case you NEED to let the intro play so the match will sync.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on December 01, 2014, 12:55:37 pm
The problem with BB is that you have BOTH a stage intro and then the characters intro. And yeah you have to let intros sync, same for Arcana Heart (I guess that's technically Arcsys) ... maybe same for GGAC+R but I wouldn't know, the game's netcode is trash anyways.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Duos on December 01, 2014, 01:24:25 pm
It's gotten so bad that they actually removed the snowfall from Jin's stage in CP2 lol.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on December 05, 2014, 07:37:06 am
Psycho Transaction: A new move with some very unique properties.
Some of you may be familiar with Juni’s and Juri’s “Psycho Charge.” This is Decapre’s version. She can charge her super and revenge meters at the cost of her vitality gauge. But be careful: if you don’t stop charging before you run out of vitality, you’ll end up KO’ing yourself! This move could be the key to a great comeback!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: extravagant on December 05, 2014, 08:29:51 am
When is that stupid Capcom tournament again? I just wanna know the release date for Omega SFIV
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on December 05, 2014, 08:27:18 pm
Edit: Wait, USF4 came with all DLC in the disc version. We already have this on last gen consoles, so....... (http://i59.tinypic.com/ny71hx.jpg)
I hadn't realized this; in any case, I have the digital version so this doesn't apply to me.
All of the DLC costume packs combined (all of which I have purchased) cost more than the retail USF4. Ripped. Off.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on December 07, 2014, 09:11:39 pm
It wasn't made clear if "All DLC" meant the Wild and Summer Vacation costumes either though (frame rate sucks when Iview the video so I can't tell if any of those one flashed by) so its probably like the retail disc version on PS3 and all that
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on December 07, 2014, 10:37:51 pm
Well games getting re-released with all of their previous DLC at a lower price than what you've paid for isn't anything new. Game of the year editions, definitive editions, or the PS3 games getting remastered on PS4 with all DLC. Injustice: Gods Among Us Ultimate Edition on PS4 has all DLC.
If they just released USF4 on PS4 at full price with nothing, I wouldn't buy or rent it.
Wait....... I just realized I wasted my time typing this(Staring at the reply screen). Well back to watching the NEC tournament. :wall:
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bastard Walt on December 08, 2014, 04:59:28 pm
I'll buy it again. YES. Only need to buy 1 disc to get everything I have stored in my 360.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Luis Alejandro on December 11, 2014, 08:00:00 am
Diablos (http://i.imgur.com/01rWXTZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on December 11, 2014, 09:28:37 am
Dee Jay buffs. He needed them.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Lucky_Chloe on December 11, 2014, 10:53:01 am
his not the only one
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Jesuszilla on December 11, 2014, 07:02:31 pm
Ultra Street Fighter IV’s 1.04 update will be available on Monday, December 15. It will also include the highly-anticipated Omega remix mode and grant players the option to purchase the next set of alternate costumes.
Kinda flew over my head, but both USF4 and SF5 for PS4? :-\
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on December 14, 2014, 09:03:03 pm
What about trials?
Also, LOL @Elena, seems like you'll be able to hit her in this revision.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on December 14, 2014, 09:16:53 pm
I'm 3 trials away from completing them all. They're not going to add a new achievement for them, I'm sure of that, they'll just remove my progress and force me to start again lol.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on December 14, 2014, 09:31:37 pm
Which ones are missing?
I'm two away from it, but fuck Viper and her FFFs.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on December 15, 2014, 06:54:21 am
Okay, most of these are friggin' awful. http://shoryuken.com/2014/12/14/the-ultra-street-fighter-iv-cast-goes-ape-bird-and-more-with-the-wild-costume-packs/
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on December 15, 2014, 07:01:25 am
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Drex on December 15, 2014, 08:02:56 am
Looks like Oni's and Claw's are insect based. Capcom's quote about keeping the costumes based on beast was bs.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on December 15, 2014, 12:49:31 pm
The patch for Omega and online edition select + balande adjustments is live.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Bad News GBK on December 15, 2014, 01:18:23 pm
Meh...updated movelists for the Omega mode would have been cool.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Insigniawarfare on December 15, 2014, 03:19:49 pm
It's actually fun figuring out what the characters can and can't do for omega mode like for instance. Ryu can't fadc through his heavy shoryuken in omega mode. His ex shoryuken does 5 hits. You're no longer able to shoryuken fadc into focus attack unless its an ex shoryuken but you can't do ultra after the focus attack. Ryu parry is Forward + HP&HK (taunt), also i was able to parry the first hit of Dudley's Rolling Thunder ultra into shoryuken. I don't know what other ultras he can parry through.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on December 15, 2014, 03:33:11 pm
Parry this
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Koop on December 15, 2014, 03:37:27 pm
That was fast
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Insigniawarfare on December 15, 2014, 04:02:34 pm
Lmao that was fast didn't think someone would find one that quick and its simple to do lets see if it works online
Edit: I tried it online and it killed my XB360 controller right in the middle of the match....I'm not even mad i'm just shocked that it did and the pad wasn't a year old. Welp i just found out that the usb attachment went out not the whole controller so lucky me.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on December 15, 2014, 04:18:24 pm
Also if you're dumb Decapre's power charge (3 punches) can kill her
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: -Red- on December 15, 2014, 05:46:01 pm
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: SNT on December 15, 2014, 09:25:09 pm
I'm gong to assume Ibuki's dp+P > HP intentionally hits both sides, because that looks devious.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Ghost Killer on December 16, 2014, 02:42:26 am
I'm really liking Sagat's Omega mode. They gave him his SVC/SFA Tiger Genocide. Tiger Uppercut doesn't go as far but goes a bit higher now. Tiger Raid is pretty cool. Tiger Knee has MUCH slower start-up now. High Step Kick does more damage and deals two hits.
That's what I've found so far.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on December 16, 2014, 03:02:33 am
I'm really liking Sagat's Omega mode. They gave him his SVC/SFA Tiger Genocide. Tiger Uppercut doesn't go as far but goes a bit higher now. Tiger Raid is pretty cool. Tiger Knee has MUCH slower start-up now. High Step Kick does more damage and deals two hits.
That's what I've found so far.
yeah sagat seems to be a problem even more now on the low. i like his omega mode too
BUT BISON?? hes a grease ball now LOL
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on December 16, 2014, 03:13:47 am
Omega Bison is fucking amazing.
But Omega Gen wins out for having a really fucking easy laffo infinite
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on December 16, 2014, 03:15:17 am
dude Zangief's Dragon punch motion with the heavy kick is GREASE!!!!!!!! lmao
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on December 16, 2014, 03:37:54 am
Omega Gen's is just so funnier though its like Mantis Style then LP then LK LK LK LK LK LK over and over and ther'es literally nothing the opponent can do, it looks even more like an amateur mistake than anything
Capcom certainly weren't lying when they said this mode was for goofy ass fun
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on December 16, 2014, 03:57:48 am
WTF does Makoto QCF+K does? Looks like a feint Hayate. Tried using it as a counter and got my ass whooped.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Niitris on December 16, 2014, 04:02:08 am
I wish my mains got it as good; all Dudley got was a feint+followup and Zangief got some stomp and headbutt.
lol at infinite. Putrid easy to do I might add; I felt like a pro.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: CapnWTF on December 16, 2014, 04:03:04 am
It's a for free hayate cancel. EX version is like 2 frames and lets you combo into Ultra. If you combo into U1 like that theres no cutscene though, its weird. Ive done her u1 once and it hit like 15 times and I don't know why.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on December 16, 2014, 04:11:01 am
I'm just happy Omega mode was good to Bison and somewhat good to Akuma and Decap as well as it was to Gen. Because holy shit outside of Gen, Omega Bison is probably one of the strongest in this set.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: S.D. on December 16, 2014, 04:27:32 am
Outside of the infinite, Gen isn't that amazing, he can't do Super to Mantis U1 anymore, actually it seems like not even Oga to Ultra works anymore, you have to do Crane U1. The chains are alright but too straightforward, EX stance cancel messes up a lot of his stance link buffering and I haven't found a good use to the new pushback of Hyakurenko, crane MP looks awful. Just give me his qcbx2+P super from Alpha, ugh.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on December 16, 2014, 04:37:40 am
I found this interesting
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: MightyKombat on December 16, 2014, 01:51:51 pm
Outside of the infinite, Gen isn't that amazing, he can't do Super to Mantis U1 anymore, actually it seems like not even Oga to Ultra works anymore, you have to do Crane U1. The chains are alright but too straightforward, EX stance cancel messes up a lot of his stance link buffering and I haven't found a good use to the new pushback of Hyakurenko, crane MP looks awful. Just give me his qcbx2+P super from Alpha, ugh.
Okay, you have a point there. I'll admit I never really play Gen but the infinite made me laugh so much I couldn't just ignore it
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on December 16, 2014, 02:23:56 pm
Well, it's supposed to be his CVS Bison/Vega Smash move, buuuuuut since they can't add new animations... (http://i.imgur.com/BKep74u.gif)
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on December 17, 2014, 04:19:44 am
EX P crusher of Omega Bison is dirty as hell lol Not a bad idea for a mugen version either.... That Psycho double hit Gut punch (like Ryu's) is hot too...nice tweak there That EX Pyscho Axe kick is out of no where grimey for that surprise attack....
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Not Bastard Renzo F on December 17, 2014, 02:43:31 pm
They put his back throw animation to good use. And his normal psycho crusher has a ridiculous fast startup...
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: alexlexus on December 17, 2014, 03:12:00 pm
day 2 day 1
doing a play series testing out most characters without the change log
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: GLB on December 17, 2014, 08:39:20 pm
Just discovered this and his psycho crusher earlier, when I first tried him out I was thinking Bison was whack but i'm kind of digging him now. Fei long seemed pretty fun too. All I did was mess around though, I know pretty much nothing about the changes, lol.
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on December 18, 2014, 12:36:26 am
Thats what makes it fun GLB! Its fun figuring out on my own what new stuff they have while you fight another char in omega mode surprising the hell of you with shit lol Guiles Jumping slash down kick is pretty wild too haha
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: TempesT on December 24, 2014, 10:44:22 pm
This is on sale for 40% off today as part of the Steam Holiday Sale.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/45760/
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on December 25, 2014, 04:27:25 am
Ah groovy! Thanks for that Kite Tempest!
Title: Re: Ultra Street Fighter 4
Post by: anthonygamer on December 30, 2014, 03:38:31 pm
anthonygamer(Ryu) vs Alex Valle(Hugo) 1st to 5.
http://www.twitch.tv/leveluplive/v/3646004
10:41:40 mark.
I wish I could upload that to youtube. Man that dude is the best Hugo in the USA. I couldn't shake those Valle jitters. :disappointed:
If anyone wants to test their skills against Valle, he host free to enter 8 man tournaments for XBL and steam. If you win, you get to fight him in a 1st to 5 and he'll give you input on how to improve your game.