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M.U.G.E.N Central => FullGame development => MFG Presents Street Fighter => Topic started by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on April 25, 2014, 06:54:25 am
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(http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m487/Jdj016/0_0_zpsd4b661d5.png) (http://s1128.photobucket.com/user/Jdj016/media/0_0_zpsd4b661d5.png.html)(http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m487/Jdj016/MapPreview2_zps211c3ab7.png) (http://s1128.photobucket.com/user/Jdj016/media/MapPreview2_zps211c3ab7.png.html)
Here's one concept of Ryu's Separation, along with the color map. Basically, his shoulders and part of his right forearm will be separated. I was thinking about saving the blue on his pants for his chest. I'll come up with a couple more concepts soon...
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Seems rather excessive for him
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I agree, I really feel the shoulder and forearm seperation are unneeded especially for someone like Ryu.
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Seems rather excessive for him
I agree, I really feel the shoulder and forearm seperation are unneeded especially for someone like Ryu.
Also, @SageHarpuiaJDJ , I think Ryu's forearm doesn't really needs that yellow thing(even it could look like SF1 LONG gloves), and also, a t-shirt is totally unneeded IMHO. Maybe those colours can go to his feet(not a total shoe but...), for something similar to SF1. Anyway, it's your choice.
Ah. I guess I can just do the feet, since well, it's Ryu. Thanks for the suggestions!
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Yeah, I wouldn't worry about his arms. Do his eyes have a different white than his teeth?
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I totally forgot about his teeth. Good thing I still have that light blue up there for the white of his eyes on the last color of the map. Precautions, Precautions. Now, excuse me while I make another concept.
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I didn't mind the sleeves tbh
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(http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m487/Jdj016/0_02_zpsb160e7da.png) (http://s1128.photobucket.com/user/Jdj016/media/0_02_zpsb160e7da.png.html)
Less extensive concept. Decided not the separate the pants to keep the classic martial arts look. Also corrected his eyes, which can be easily corrected with the first one.
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When separating the rest of the sprites, for the shoes, there should still be a patch of skin visible, the shoe shouldn't go all the way up to the pants. Not sure if it's possible to make it visible on this sprite. Plus, if it's supposed to be shoes (let's ignore the toes), the sole of the feet would also need to be separated.
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Unless you just really want to do the shoes I wouldn't worry about them either. I'd go back and change the pants and leave the shoes off. I don't know how well the shoe separation will work in some sprites anyway. I'm pretty sure there are sprites where his big toe is distinctly separate from his other toes.
If you want to try it that's cool but I feel it'd be a lot more work.
(http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080509020726/streetfighter/images/1/14/Sf1-ryu.gif)
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Color separate the separation of the toes ! They'll take the same color as the shoe in the proper palettes, the shoes will just be very large. (I don't think there's any sprite where you see the foot from above or below and you actually see the background between the big toe and the rest)
You know, either that or forget it.
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(http://justnopoint.com/mugen/Ryu/testfeet.png)
I did a very fast one so there are a lot of errors. But here's what I came up with for the shoes. It would be a lot of work. I only used 2 colors to overlay the feet with for shoes. You may need at least 1 more color. Basically at this point you are spriting. It will add a substantial amount of time to your project. But if you could pull it off it'd be awesome! I don't recommend it for your sanity though.
Also, don't worry about the pupil and the belt. The belt is pure black. There really isn't another color that could look good. You would have to add some details intoit to make another color look well. The pupil could work with light colors, but it's just not worth the extra moment of your time IMO
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I had to change the palette slightly to make the separation easier. That's why the belt is that color. As for the eyes, I had to draw them in up close to look better. So basically the idea separation for Normal Ryu is pants, gloves, belt? I'm not going to worry about the feet, since I want to keep my sanity lol. I have an ideas to keep separations at a minimum, but I'm gonna post it elsewhere.
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Let's just not do any sort of feet or toe or shoe seperation, it looks weird as heck not to mention ugly!
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I'd add the white for the eyes since he doesn't have that. Gloves, hair, and pants. The belt isn't worth it because it's 1 solid color and only black will look good on it.
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Okie dokie. So can I change the palette of his clothes then? Because the darkest shade of his clothes are almost identical to black, and gimp + almost = same when it comes to color selecting.
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Yes, you can change whatever you need to make him easier to color. Of course.
Also we did lose 1 reply. I forgot Felo_llop replied to your 1st post while showing his focus attack. But only that one.
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Don't worry. What I said:
- I have a BMP for Mika ready to CS(once we decide to work on her)
- Gen is ready for CS.
- Dee Jai is ready for CS.
- Karin is ready for CS.
- I'll CS Birdie once JnP has a sff for him.
Also, what I told about Ryu. That's all :)
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I think basic separation is enough the headband/eyes/hair/belt/pants/gloves is really all that's needed for ryu. The shoes really seem out of place on him imo
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Let's just not do any sort of feet or toe or shoe seperation, it looks weird as heck not to mention ugly!
Totally agree...
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I already said I wasn't doing the feet. ^^'
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My bad.
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The sleeve stuff seems a bit excessive IMO - if contemplating stuff not in classic Ryu depiction, I'd rather have color separation making a beard possible for him (hey, Gouken grew one...).
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(http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m487/Jdj016/RyuPaletteTemplate_zps87357bb0.png) (http://s1128.photobucket.com/user/Jdj016/media/RyuPaletteTemplate_zps87357bb0.png.html)
Template! This separation won't be done anytime soon, btw. I'm very slow when it comes to this stuff. The palette is also in the .sff for those who want to help.
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Forget teeth again? :P
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*groans*
Gimme a few... again...
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(http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m487/Jdj016/RyuPaletteTemplate_zpsef9260fd.png) (http://s1128.photobucket.com/user/Jdj016/media/RyuPaletteTemplate_zpsef9260fd.png.html)
There. Now can I rest now before getting back to the big guns? ^^'
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There's actually another sclera shade that appears on several sprites, and another teeth shade as well. :P
I'm also gonna repost this:
Because Ryu and Ken are headswaps, and because they share so many moves, it would save a ton of time if you used my Ken separation as a base for Ryu. This includes gloves, belt, and pants; though hair definitely would need to be redone for all shared sprites, and probably teeth and the eyes, though. I am however currently in the middle of revamping my Ken separation so don't go using the one that's on my site. If you want to start right away, I already have done everything that would be shared with Ryu save for their gethits, and the latter should be done sometime next week, hopefully.
Using my separation will help! And make it go faster! And as of today I've only got ~50 sprites left to fix!
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In response to the sclera thing, JNP said that he'll take care of the eyes.
And I'll add the other shade, but is it light or dark? I'd look myself, but I really don't feel like it.
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It uses one of the skin colors so yeah it's darker. It's in my Ken sprites, which you should use. :V
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I think they will...
...wait. What do you mean? The palette or the sprites in general?
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To speed up the process of color separation we can use the sprites that Ken and Ryu share. Remove Ken's head and overlay it over Ryu for mostly instant CS magic. We can also use POTS Ryu to do the same with 99% of all Ryu's head sprites for hair and eyes.
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So that's what he meant? Yeah that'll work. But who would do the deed?
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It had to be more than just his head; his eyes and teeth are different too. (https://www.mediafire.com/?3durj71k3et4l8d) I also included a duplicate set that hasn't had the skin, hair, and whatnot removed for comparison's sake.
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finished updating Ken's separation; as before this has both the separation bits and the normal separated sprites (http://www.mediafire.com/download/kh8vmxzgw87dtei/womp+up+the+jamz+dot+biz.7z)
Of note, there's one skin shade left, it's an extra one that is shared with the belt color that only appears sporadically.
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Okay. Sooo... who's gonna do this? I'm not really the best with headswaps.
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It's uh, not really a matter of headswaps? The separation is all by itself, all one has to do is adjust the palette so it matches the Ryu sprites/separation, and then just paste the separation over Ryu's sprites. Like you could use the magic wand tool in your image editor of choice, select the transparency color, invert the selection, and just paste that over Ryu.
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Yeah, it's not difficult. If you still don't get what we're saying you can wait till I get a chance to work on it a bit and I'll show you with images what we're talking about.
It might be a while though. My priority is the coding because the sprites can wait. Once the coding is at a decent stage it'll be easier to begin the community aspect. CSing will be a lot simpler.
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I can help pasting the separation into some of Ryu's sprites as long as someone gives me the Ryu palette that includes the separation colors along with the rest of the colors from the sff, of course.
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Yeah, it's not difficult. If you still don't get what we're saying you can wait till I get a chance to work on it a bit and I'll show you with images what we're talking about.
It might be a while though. My priority is the coding because the sprites can wait. Once the coding is at a decent stage it'll be easier to begin the community aspect. CSing will be a lot simpler.
Yeah I'll just wait for you to demonstrate. I don't want to mess anything up.
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I can help pasting the separation into some of Ryu's sprites as long as someone gives me the Ryu palette that includes the separation colors along with the rest of the colors from the sff, of course.
I'm not sure what you mean by along with the rest of the colors from the sff? If you mean colors for things like fireballs and such those will not be in the same palette with Ryu's colors.
You can just separate the sprites and make a whole new palette and that's the palette we'll use just for Ryu's sprites. The only other colors I guess you'd need to add are his electrocution colors?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/a15s1ew1zbc4ko7/2.png (https://www.dropbox.com/s/a15s1ew1zbc4ko7/2.png)
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Alright, ignore what I said.
I mean, the separated Ken sprites will help to separate the belt, the gi bottom and the gloves, right? But I saw it's planned to separate some other stuff like his hair since the original sprites share the hair colors with the skin, so it doesn't matter if I make a new palette now with those colors shared?
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Right. Anything you may do now, even if incomplete, will speed up the process. :)
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Okay @SageHarpuiaJDJ: Take a Ryu sprite
(http://justnopoint.com/mugen/Ryu/ryustance.png)
Take one of JMM's Ken sprites
(http://justnopoint.com/mugen/Ryu/stance.png)
Remove Ken's hair, eyes, skin, eyebrows
(http://justnopoint.com/mugen/Ryu/cs1.png)
Copy that and paste it over Ryu
(http://justnopoint.com/mugen/Ryu/newryucs.png)
Just like that you are finished with the gi and gloves. POTS already CSed Ryu's eyes and hair so you can do the same for most of them too.
This should make doing most of Ryu's CS much easier because he and Ken share so many frames.
You could automate the Ken purging process so that only the clothing is left so you wouldn't have to manually remove him each time. If you are familiar with batch processes.
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Okay. Sounds easy enough. I'll get to it then.
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Hey, wait! I already did the batch processing stuff! (http://www.mediafire.com/download/kh8vmxzgw87dtei/womp+up+the+jamz+dot+biz.7z) >:[