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Title: Elena
Post by: Lost_Avenger on May 27, 2014, 08:55:38 pm
I'm starting her today using Fido's sff. She'll have mostly Pots style gameplay. Ill try to keep her accurate, but I prefer custom. She'll be mostly SF3, but I plan to use as much data from USF4 and SFXTekken as I can. Maybe even the voice?

Move list:
· Handstand kick: F + y
· Handstand whip: F + b
· Round Arch: B + c
· Sliding: DF + c
· TC1: Z, C
· TC2: (Air) x, y
· TC3: (Air) y, z
· TC4: B, D+z

<SPECIAL>

· Rhino Horn (EX):    B, DB, D, DF, F, k
· Mallet Smash (EX): F, DF, D, DB, B, p
· Spin Sythe (EX): D, DB, B, k
· Scratch Wheel (EX): F, D, DF, k
· Lynx Tail (EX): B, D, DB, k

<SUPER>

· Spinning Beat (MAX): D, DF, F, D, DF, F, k
· Brave Dance(MAX): D, DB, B, D, DB, B, k

 <LV3 SUPER>

· Healing: D, DF, F, D, DF, F, p


Title: Re: Elena
Post by: 【ＭＦＧ】gui0007 on May 27, 2014, 09:22:52 pm
Do you plan to use USF4/SFxT voices LA?
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: WatsonGrim69 on May 27, 2014, 09:27:18 pm
Aiight Avenger, I can dig it. Good luck & looking forward to it. Will she be part of your project or your going to release her seperately?
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Ravenborn on May 27, 2014, 11:57:30 pm
Looks interesting!
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Lost_Avenger on May 28, 2014, 12:09:11 am
She has her 3rd strike voice atm. I don't remember her having healing in SFXTekken so Ill probably need to wait for Ultra.

I can port her, but it wouldn't be an easy port. Pots and I only share about 10 variables iirc. I didn't know Fido's had a run till I started working on her.

This is technically a wip(I can't upload screenshots atm), but this will take a while. My usual clsn stuff is useless with her stance :p.
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Lost_Avenger on May 28, 2014, 10:25:18 am
I think I'm going to include a config file that will enable/disable features. I haven't decided what will be on the list, but here is an ideas list:

-Air guarding
-Just Defense
-universal overhead
-taunt boosts
-focus attack/fadc
-cc meter usage/time
-super xx super cancels
-super xx special

This can pretty much enable a grooveless cvs2 mode, SF4, CFJ2, etc without making an alt mode. Anyone opposed?
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: DW on May 29, 2014, 04:39:10 pm
Looks/sounds good. I'm not much of an Elena player, though I look forward to progress of her. Good luck with everything.
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Lost_Avenger on May 29, 2014, 05:37:05 pm
Thanks, You'll be one of the first people I send her too. Yun and Hotaru will be my next non CFJ2 wips
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Jarek Bachanek on May 29, 2014, 10:08:24 pm
So this is like continiuation of your old topic: ?
http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/my-final-wips-155156.msg1865756.html

I was really interesed in all of wips you listed there but you went back to CFJ2 so I thought you changed your mind or something.
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Lost_Avenger on May 30, 2014, 05:07:02 am
Not really. Elena wasn't originally going to be Pots styled. I caved on that and decided to port her to CFJ2 later. I mentioned Yun since he was close to done. Hotaru is mostly for DW's Rock lol
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Lost_Avenger on June 21, 2014, 07:52:02 am
I've been really busy so I haven't gotten much done. Basic movement, some normals, some system stuff, dust, etc. I knew she was position change heavy, but 40 something changes in just her stance is funny. I'm just glad that SF3 emus don't crash as rapidly as cps2 ones do
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: DAN_HIBIKI on June 21, 2014, 02:19:31 pm
Lost_Avenger said, May 27, 2014, 08:55:38 pm
<SUPER>

· Spinning Beat (MAX): D, DF, F, D, DF, F, k
· Brave Dance(MAX): D, DB, B, D, DB, B, k

 <LV3 SUPER>

· Healing: D, DF, F, D, DF, F, p

Healing doesn't deserve to be a LV3 Super. Make it MAX-only Super. Instead, try to do following: Copy Brave Dance and several specials, merge them into LV3 Super and call the result "Braveheart". I think that should work.
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: One Man Aumio on June 22, 2014, 09:49:17 am
Like to see more cvs form of sf3. Good luck for elena
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Lost_Avenger on June 22, 2014, 03:46:25 pm
Healing is an Ultra in SF4 isn't it? And a level 3 ish super in 3.
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: DW on June 22, 2014, 05:51:18 pm
Hm... IDK. I guess she'd be unique in the since of her being like the only char that doesn't have a attack based LV3. I hadn't thought about, but he kinda makes a valid point. Maybe since Healing is more of a utility thing, you could give her 2 Lv3s? I know PotS usually reserved multiple Lv3s for boss-type chars, though it does seem like a good choice for her. What is her other Ultra? Brave Dance? She only has those 3 supers in SF4 too I assume? If that be the case, maybe making Healing a MAX/Lv2 only, while making her other Ultra the Lv3 could work out. I mean, it can still work out how you have it currently as well. Up to you.
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Speedpreacher on June 22, 2014, 06:04:20 pm
Nakoruru is the closest analogue, and POTS gave her the healing super as a level 3 but also included Shirikoro Kamui Nomi, her actual attack super.
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: porcaro on June 22, 2014, 06:29:19 pm
Your moveset is good. Level 3's choice is good according to me :)
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Lost_Avenger on June 23, 2014, 03:29:07 am
I can make a powered up brave dance and call it brave beat or something as a second level 3. I have to wait to get Ultra. I don't have the internet to dl it.
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: varo_hades on June 24, 2014, 01:09:29 am
Really nice I can't wait for her!!! and what happened with Yun?
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Lost_Avenger on July 01, 2014, 10:52:43 pm
He had a special/ex special and supers left. As well as some system stuff. The main thing left is juggle rules.
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: varo_hades on July 04, 2014, 10:48:40 pm
Lost_Avenger said, July 01, 2014, 10:52:43 pm
He had a special/ex special and supers left. As well as some system stuff. The main thing left is juggle rules.

Glad to hear that :). Can't wait for them.
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Lost_Avenger on August 28, 2014, 01:13:11 pm
Minor update time:
-Ive made a bit of progress
-She has a mix of data from Ultra and X, making her more powerful
-S.Hk and Arch heel are +4, c.lk is a +6, and c.mp is a +7. Her moves are a bit safer in X for some
-standing normals and command moves are done as well as a couple crouching and tcs
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: DW on August 28, 2014, 01:56:49 pm
Wow, based off that those normals sound beast. Maybe I've been sleeping on Elena lol. You got her CS applied and all? I seen Whoosha say he was finished.
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Lost_Avenger on August 29, 2014, 07:24:49 am
He was still working on them the last I heard. I may release the beta and get the separated sff later on. She will probably need to have her bracelets as helpers to free up colors. With as good as the cs was, Im all for the extra options.

Her juggles are going to be the challenge once her normals are done. I code juggles differently than Pots and she has a lot between her three series. I prefer Ultra to X. So her ex mallet will be that one. I prefer her 3s and Ultra scratch wheels too. She will probably be more Ultra than 3s. I didn't play her much in 3s tbh
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Lost_Avenger on August 31, 2014, 10:43:35 pm
I really want her to have kara throws, but I honestly dont know much about them. Is it every non air normal? What is the input window for a kara throw? Her F.mk is perfect for it. She gains like 28 pixels in the first frame(before scaling).

Crouching normals and non air tcs are done. Ill be off in a couple days. Ill do the system stuff and probably upload and Alpha to make sure Im doing it right
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Xan on August 31, 2014, 10:58:27 pm
Lost_Avenger said, August 31, 2014, 10:43:35 pm
I really want her to have kara throws, but I honestly dont know much about them. Is it every non air normal?
IIRC, Kara throws are mainly for one/two normals a character has, like Sagat's f.LK in SF4, which allows him to cancel into any special/his super before the hit comes out. There's also Ken's Kara throw off of his f.MK, which pretty much requires you to hit three buttons at once.

Idk, depends on if Elena had one in any of her games?
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Lost_Avenger on August 31, 2014, 11:09:29 pm
S.mp and f.mk are mentioned iirc. F.mk being a lot better.

Sagat's kara-uppercuts and knees are a major part of his game imo. Or at least how I play it. He really should get that move in mugen.
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Xan on August 31, 2014, 11:40:31 pm
Maybe do a bit of testing to see how the Karas work in whichever one they're in?

And yeah, they are. I'm just gonna stare angrily at the lack of proper sprites for now.
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Lost_Avenger on September 01, 2014, 05:29:31 pm
In 3s, its either 1 tick or 2. There is a 1 tick lag in my emu so Im not sure if its just one. If you do it as the f.mk anim has started, it doesn't work so I assume its one tick. Should I have a config option to disable it?

Other options Im adding:
-Taunt input(start button or lp+hk with a pause menu)
-Taunt bonuses(stun bonus(CFJ characters only), bonus damage, healing boost, scratch wheel height bonus or combo damage increase, etc)
-Throw input(2p/2k vs lp+lk)
-Hit sound selection(pots or sf4)
-Language selection(if I get her sf4 voices)

I increased her jump height slightly. Im not sure if artmoney lags, but I seem to be missing the first velocity frame. So I added the yvel drop rate and it looks better imo. Im just hoping she doesn't have position changes in mid air lol

........she does gain position in the air lol
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Lost_Avenger on September 09, 2014, 03:22:40 pm
Normals are done including tcs. Ive tweaked her j.mp, j.hp tc to force it to hit more enemies. Some system stuff is done as well. Just down to cc activation and parry animations(was using my laptop). Once I tweak some stuff, Ill send the pre alpha out for testing. Just to make sure Im doing it right.

After Elena, Im doing Rose, Yun, or Hotaru. Depends on motivation and free time. Yun and Rose have extra uses for me. If someone wants to build an sff with Felo's latest Rose set, I can get her coded fairly quickly. With her ultra buffs, I can make something beastly cfj2 wise. Mugen needs more good Roses
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Ravenborn on September 09, 2014, 03:46:12 pm
I would love to se Rose! :)
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Jarek Bachanek on September 10, 2014, 04:54:29 am
cool you going forward with Elena & Rose (eventually). I've been curiouis about something. Where exactly I can find your other chars ? I know there is Ken hosted at TM, your CFJ2 folder but you said all those are pretty outdated. So where you host your most recent stuff ?
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Xan on September 10, 2014, 05:15:41 am
Lost_Avenger said, September 09, 2014, 03:22:40 pm
Yun
Yes, please.
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Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Lost_Avenger on September 10, 2014, 12:46:08 pm
The most recent CFJ2 stuff is on drop box. Im hoping to gradually update the trinity ones when I finish the main updates.

Yun was pretty close to finished before. Just juggle stuff, his flip special, supers, and AI
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Lost_Avenger on September 19, 2014, 10:12:15 am
I started working on Hotaru and have her almost caught up to Elena. Most of her normals and system stuff are done. I alternate between Elena one day and Hotaru the next. Though my netbook is having issues charging again so Elena got screwed over for today.

For Hotaru, Im going to try to get as much of her XI self in as I can. Ill see what I have resources wise and may add the other stuff later. Ill soon be able to emulate kof XI on my tower(Assuming I didn't screw up building it that is). Elena is the priority with Hotaru being something of a gift.

As with my other snk creations, they lose parry for jd. She also has max mode over cc. I may add some other stuff to the system later
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Lost_Avenger on October 03, 2014, 02:05:26 pm
Minor update. Hotaru is up to specials. Also, my motherboard died :p. Seriously, my luck sucks giant Blanka balls. Im still considering doing final updates to Ken and karin. What would they get?

Ken:
-Dodge/attack, run, voice selection, run, power charge, etc as config options
-V.Ken mode
-possibly a cvs2 mode since mine is mostly based on 3s moves wise

Karin:
-Dodge/attack, run, power charge, ukemi as config options among possible others
-a new level 3 from Phantom's.
-her actual intros and winposes :p
-better AI.

I think I prefer a config style even if it potentially allows too much crap. That way you can have your pots and I can have most of my CFJ2.
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Garuda on October 03, 2014, 08:58:53 pm
I think that's the best option!
What sprites are you using for Hotaru??
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Lost_Avenger on October 04, 2014, 05:15:14 am
waru's sff
Title: Re: Elena
Post by: Garuda on October 04, 2014, 03:53:49 pm
Nice choice!