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M.U.G.E.N Central => FullGame development => Famicom Fighters => Topic started by: KingPepe2010 on June 02, 2014, 07:23:10 am
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This topic is for whatever character requests you have. I want to keep it in one thread just in case if I have to check it all over for ideas. Feel free to request anyone you want again. Also, I would like it if you could come up with a playstyle and a small concept moveset for the character but you don't have to. :)
Rules on characters and why they can be rejected
- Main Protagonist - If they were the protagonist of the first game of their series, they're eligible. Exceptions to this:
- Donkey Kong Series - Mario is already in so someone else would need to take his place for the series. (either Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Jr. or Stanley)
- Bootleg Games - I consider bootlegs to be separate from the official series so someone from Kart Fighter could get even though Mario is in the game. I'm most likely avoiding bootleg hacks except maybe in the case for helpers.
- No Obvious/Visible Protagonist - At this point... I just go for whoever would work best with the roster.
- Originality - If they didn't derive from another media source, they're eligible. The only exceptions are those whose games were disconnected from their original source when localized. (EX: Shatterhand and Kung Fu)
- Size - I'm trying to avoid having really small characters for this game. If the character's sprite is too small, they need to redrawn. However, some characters may not look right when resized which will end up keeping them away from being a playable character (but can still be a helper). Examples of this is Kirby, Lolo and Bub where if they were made to be big as Mario height-wise, they would be too large in terms of width and it would just look strange.
- Helpers - If the character can't get 3 helpers easily, they can't get in. The only rule helpers they need to follow is the originality rule. The usual format for helpers is: 1 from the original series/game or one from a hack (if bootleg) and 2 from under the same publisher.
- Moveset - This is were most of the characters will miss the chance of getting in, sadly. Here are the guidelines:
- Obviously, I need to create a decent moveset for them that works in a fighting game and this is kind of hard. A majority of NES games are sidescrollers and some of them are quite projectile-heavy. Of course, I can always make new moves and play around with ideas if I have to but I can't stray too far away from how the character is or how their game was like. (EX: I can easily get away with this in Urban Champion despite what he can only do in his game. The fact he is a brawler leads to so many possible moves I could make up and not stray away from what he is) If I'm unable to give a character a decent move set, they can't get in.
- I'm trying not to make any clones for this game so if the character doesn't have a unique play style I can come up with, they will not make it in. (EX: Hayate from Shadow of the Ninja won't make it in if Ryu Hayabasa is in since they would end up playing similarly.
- I'm not including absurd/weird characters such as Tetris. It kind of falls under the first thing I said about being able to make a moveset for them. Even bad characters like Apollo from the Cheetahmen (if he does get in) will be taken seriously.
- In terms of move sets, I'm only sticking with what's on the console. Nothing from future or past games will be used. Also, don't expect characters to play like they did if they appeared in a later fighting game. (Mario doesn't play like he did in SSB, Mega Man won't be like how he is in the Vs. Series and if they do make it in, Karnov won't be like how he is in Fighter's History and the Ikari Warriors won't be anything like their KOF selves. ) This is actually one of the reasons why Link didn't get in. He would be too similar to his SSB self if he used the tools he had available to him. References are fine though if they're not directly related to the character. (one of Simon's moves might seem a bit familiar to a certain Belmont's skill...)
- I'm staying away from anyone that heavily relies on weapons to fight. Weapons used in specials and supers is fine but the use of them for every single move is not allowed. There are some exceptions (heck, Simon sounds like he shouldn't be in because of this) but if it's possible to make then punch and kick without it seeming so odd, it's fine. This was another reason why Link didn't get in. Without his sword, it wouldn't seem right to have him fight like that
- Representation - I'm trying to get characters from games we loved, we hated, were Japanese-exclusive, were American-exclusive and even bootleg games from all different publishers. (Nintendo will probably have the most representation, Capcom and Konami would only get about 3 or 4 characters, Hudson Soft would get 1 or 2, etc.) There's more emphasis on the "classics" with this roster so in terms of the other categories, it'll be kind of limited. (each publisher are allowed only one Japanese-exclusive character) This also means a popular character is more likely to be in. (hence, why Rygar may or may not get in) Characters who represent something specific about the NES/Famicom are more likely get in as well. (like a FDS represenative...no Disk-Kun probably won't be a character) Also I guess this won't be much of a surprise but females have a higher chance of getting in than males. (you can probably guess which games and characters I have in mind now)
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I'll be reposting my idea on the Famicom character here, but I can't repost the pic yet since I'm typing this on my Wii U, So I'll fix that later. There are also some revisions here...
Famicom (Fam, Famiko, Fami?)
Would be an OC representing the console itself and the tools made for it (microphone, power pad, power glove, zapper) and through them she could even draw aspects from games that normally would'nt be representable (like Duck Hunt).
Her basic body language would be based on Mario's from Donkey Kong and DK.Jr from DK2 since they were the first games released on the Famicom.
Her basic attacks however would be based on the notorious Bad Street Brawler since the game was made to use the Power Glove.
Some special moves would be based on the Zapper like shooting at the sky to make a Duck fall down from above and hit the opponent in the head, or a counter move where she holdsters the gun and shoots if the opponent attacks her, alternatively, a crosshair appears and she has to aim it at the opponent to make it hit.
The microphone could be used like Blancas electricity, but instead using soudwaves. It could even be used as a Hyper Combo.
The powerpad however is unsure.
Her hyper combos would use each of the gadgets in some way.
A Power Glove based move, perhaps it could be like a Falcon Punch.
A zapper based move.
But her strongest would be based on the Nintendo World Championship, jumping on the opponent, bouncing out of the screen and hitting them with a car, sending them flying into a sign or a tree ending with a ton of Tetris blocks falling down on the opponent.
Her win poses would be:
Standing dramatically, using the PowerPad as a cape.
Spinning her zapper, aiming it upwards and firing in a badass pose, just to have a duck land on her head, ending with the Duckhunt dog laughing.
Doing the famous Power Glove pose... it's so bad...
I suppose her role could be like Ingrid in Capcom Fighting Jam, being a Sub-Boss, but not really a badguy.
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Yeah, I'm not sure if she would play any kind of role in the story (...which I haven't fully come up yet, gj pepe) but I think being a sub-boss + secret character would work best for her if she's going to be a representative of the console itself. Also looking at the moveset, I'm assuming you're trying to make her a defensive character?
I'm not entirely sure on using stuff from Bad Street Brawler or NWC for her since I don't recall those games being released for the Famicom (correct me if I'm wrong however) but then again, despite the name of this game I might just mix in some stuff that was from the NES only. I remember the Power Glove being released in Japan itself though so that's totally fine.
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Well Bad Street Brawler was one of two games to use the Power Glove, the other was a breakout style game made by Rare, but I felt it was going to be just another projectile attack, and BSB had some insane moves like lifting someone up and spinning them around upright before throwing them away.
Otherwise, her Strongest Hyper could have her charge up the PowerGlove, with a text above reading "BEHOLD, THE ULTIMATE WARPZONE" Before punchin the opponent through the side of the arena, and across different NES locales before plummeting on the otherside of the screen.
I also had an idea regarding boss characters outside the Pirated Games Bosses.
They would be classical game villians like Koopa, Dracula, Ganon, Dr.Wily, and so on. But they would play out like in their respective games, so Dracula would teleport and shoot three fireballs and using his monstrous form for Round 2, While Ganon would remain invisible, shooting fireballs, and the player would have to find out where he is and strike.
This would make them more boss like and perhaps serve as some kinda lethal mini-game.
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There was this one wrestling game... I don't know what it is, but in Famicom Hisi Tai, there were some characters from it, and a stage. Could anybody from that get in? I think it was a Kinnikuman game, though, but not MUSCLE. I think Mario was a guest character, too...
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@rukifellth: Yeah, true. I'm not saying we can't use any references to the Power Glove games, it's just it might seem a little out of place. Also, that hyper could totally work.
About bosses from other games, I'd rather leave the actual main bosses (a mid-boss and the final boss) to be something that's not entirely straight out of a specific series or game. I could do like some type of "boss rush" bonus game with them however.
@メインキャラクター: ...please read the guidelines.
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Oh gosh, this seems like such a badass concept. I really wish you luck on your game. Of course, being a NES nerd, I have a few ideas for characters or such, so here I go.
Strider, from, well, Strider
Namakubi from Zombie Nation (though this may work better as a stage, the floating samurai head blowing up the city in the background)
Mark/Bert from Monster Party
Salaryman from Takeshi's Challenge
Ninten from Mother
Rick from Splatterhouse NES
One of the battletoads, from...Battletoads...
Earthworm Jim (dunno if this counts, but was ported by fans to NES)
L Block - Tetris
Duck Hunt Dog - Duck Hunt
Layla from the game of the same name
Noah - Bible Adventures
Boy and Blob - A boy and his blob
Princess Tomato (Though this may work better as a stage)
Konami Man - Wai Wai World
Solid Snake - Metal Gear
Bill Razer - Contra
And, I know this one would require custom sprites, but what about Captain N? He could use a Zapper and summon a gameboy for attacks, and summon obscure nintendo characters to help him out in battle.
...huff huff. Wow, that's a lot. I don't except you to use many of these idea of course, that'd be a heck ton of work. But hey, maybe you can come up with some cool assist characters or stages with some of these. I do have one question though, are some stages going to be mixes of two or more nes games, more so then just a character or two cameoing in the background?
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Heh, thank you! As for the characters you've mentioned:
Strider, from, well, Strider - Considering him although if I fully decide he'll be in, I want to see if I can make him different from his MvC self.
Namakubi from Zombie Nation (though this may work better as a stage, the floating samurai head blowing up the city in the background) - Yeah, it'd be better to have a stage based off of the game.
Mark/Bert from Monster Party - He's also a possibility but let's just say if he does get in, Bert won't be the only monster he can transform into...
Salaryman from Takeshi's Challenge - Really tempted to put him in just for the shits and giggles.
Ninten from Mother - ...been kind of rethinking about his inclusion. There's a possibility although he might need a whole new set of sprites.
Rick from Splatterhouse NES - Maybe, need to see what kind of moveset.
One of the battletoads, from...Battletoads... - Very good chance, as for the Battletoad I might use it'll probably be Rash since he's player one in the original game
Earthworm Jim - I don't know if any actual homebrew attempts (and if there are, I'd rather not use those) but I know there's bootleg ports of both EWJ games to the NES. Although in the FCF progress thread, I already mentioned he'll be a helper for a certain character.
L Block - Tetris - Not very likely; would probably end up as a gimmicky character and...yeah I'd rather not have those.
Duck Hunt Dog - Duck Hunt - Kind of considering him since I could use someone to represent the Zapper.
Layla from the game of the same name - Really tempting, I need to see what kind of game style I can come up with her.
Noah - Bible Adventures - Eh, I think there might be a better character to use from Color Dreams/Wisdom Tree in all honesty. Also, Noah technically isn't an original game character.
Boy and Blob - A boy and his blob - I was thinking of having the Blob himself as his own character and for certain attacks, he can transform into other fighters.
Princess Tomato (Though this may work better as a stage) - Yeah, it'd be better to have a stage based off of the game as well.
Konami Man - Wai Wai World - I'll consider it, his attacks will probably consist of stuff from random Konami games.
Solid Snake - Metal Gear - Eh, not sure how he could work and he might be better as an assist for...
Bill Razer - Contra - This guy if he gets in. Although I'll have to make him less projectile-heavy,
And, I know this one would require custom sprites, but what about Captain N? He could use a Zapper and summon a gameboy for attacks, and summon obscure nintendo characters to help him out in battle. - Ehhhh, not really keen on adding characters that aren't from a game unless they're a sub-boss/secret boss of some sort, so I would say no to being an actual character on the roster.
For stage mixing, it kind of happened already if you took a look at Urban Champion's stage. :P
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Holy Crap. I completely forgot about the Japanese NES games!
What I'm trying to say is that I suggest Ness from Mother 1
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Would The Mandarin from Captain America & The Avengers be eligible? I always loved his attacks and overall wish he was made playable in that game.
I suppose you need some villains in there =P
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@supersonicmix: First off, you mean Ninten. :P
2nd of all, look at the post above you.
@MewtwoZX: Sadly no, Mandarin was already an existing Marvel character.
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@supersonicmix: First off, you mean Ninten. :P
2nd of all, look at the post above you.
Yeah this happens a lot. where I confuse American names with Japanese names.
Ninten (JP) is Ness (US)
Miles (JP) is Tails (US)
and vice versa.