This has been blowing up on the social networks but I havent seen major news sites covering it yet.They're pretty much stopping major news outlets from doing this IIRC. Which shouldn't be allowed but hey!
The town’s leadership and the police have remained predominantly white. Of 53 commissioned officers in the Ferguson Police Department, three are black. A racial profiling study shows that while blacks make up 63 percent of the city’s population, they account for 86 percent of traffic stops.
This has been blowing up on the social networks but I havent seen major news sites covering it yet.
Chief Jackson said that the officer who shot Michael Brown, 18, on Saturday was struck in the face during the encounter and treated at a hospital. Touching his own cheek, the chief said that a side of the officer’s face was swollen from what the police have described as a struggle in which Mr. Brown assaulted the officer and tried to take his gun — an account disputed by a witness, a friend of Mr. Brown’s who said his hands were raised when the last of several shots was fired.
Anonymous, the loosely organized group of international hackers, said on Twitter that it had broken into Ferguson’s municipal computer system. It released details about city workers and posted photos of Jon Belmar, the chief of the St. Louis County police who is conducting the investigation into the shooting, as well as his wife, son and daughter. It also posted his address and phone number. The group threatened to bring down city, county and federal networks if the police overreacted to rallies and protests.
The real problem is the use of tear gas and...in some cases, SWAT stuff I think? Also the dismantling of media in the area. That's the real issue.
Im talking about the reporters being arrested and the recent confrontation with the protesters the case was being followed by the news as far as the killing went.This has been blowing up on the social networks but I havent seen major news sites covering it yet.
NYTimes (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/14/us/missouri-teenager-and-officer-scuffled-before-shooting-chief-says.html)
Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/ferguson-protests-police-response_n_5677741.html)
CS Monitor (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2014/0814/Police-in-Ferguson-Mo.-break-up-protests-with-tear-gas-again)
Wall Street Journal, CNN, USA Today, ABC, NBC, CBS, all covering it for the last few days, but Robin Williams suicide kind of took the spotlight.
Yeah, their actions are bring about all of this. I mean, don't blame the mass public for being outraged over it. But destroying the property of those unrelated isn't helping any and all that's doing is shifting focus from the real issue (shady police force/government).
I could understand not divulging the name of the cop tha tkilled the guy as he is internally processed to avoid attacks on his family , but this just looks like a coverup operation now.
http://time.com/3105035/ferguson-faa-no-fly-zone/
they started a no fly zone to avoid news copters to record what they are doing.
"To provide a safe environment for law enforcement"Yeah maybe to protect them from being exposed.
Anonymous to get involved with Ferguson incident -- already leaked personal informationBut you can't hide from everyone (thank you 21st century).
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/08/14/anonymous-ferguson/ (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/08/14/anonymous-ferguson/)
Welp, here we go everybody. Internet's involved.
or a moment, let us consider the consequence. By releasing the personal information, the 911 call, by shutting down the internet, Anonymous has brought the Ferguson leadership something that they had lacked – fear. They were insulated from consequence, so they acted without concern. Now they are facing a very real consequence to their actions, one they were warned of, and one which they foolishly ignored. That phrase Anonymous uses, it is not just words on paper, a hollow motto. That is their creed, their lives breath.
We Are Anonymous.
We Are Legion.
We do not Forgive.
We do not Forget.
Expect us.
The next step is obvious for the city government in Ferguson – release the name of the officer who killed Michael Brown and make it clear that he will be held accountable for his actions. Have Mike Brown’s Law drafted and posted on the internet. And let the city mourn for its dead in peace.
The actions of the Ferguson police department can not be tolerated in civil society. The police are public servants, not lords or soldiers. The demilitarization of the United States must begin.
The right to bear arms has nothing to do with this unless people are willing to pull weapons on police and law officials.
Armed revolt sounds like a great idea, what have non-violent protests gotten anyone?
The situation has already gotten way, way better. And it's gotten better because of peaceful protests and the work of hundreds people dedicated to getting information out there. This is no time to be talking about how maybe we should shoot police officers one day in the future if things get worse, because there's a better path, one that actually works.
oh please explain the point of the second amendment for those not in the know
If he had been armed... what would have happened ? Would he have pulled his gun, or not ?
Option 1/ he pulls it, they shoot each other. Regardless of the result, the big title in medias would have been about Black people and gun violence and how the streets are not safe - not because of the cops, but because of gun violence. And Brown is either still dead or in a jail for killing a cop. Congratulation, you've achieved nothing !
Option 2/ he doesn't pull it, the cop shoots him anyway (he shot him when he didn't have a gun, don't think he wouldn't have shot if Brown had a gun), and the cop can now claim that Brown threatened him with his gun. Hey, he claimed the same when Brown was unarmed, why would it change ? The cop's claims would actually be more believable.
But yeah, you guys are totally right, put more guns in the streets to end gun violence.
The only point there would be in justifying guns is if it was already a known fact that the police was getting crazy, and that the citizens were already aware that their life was in danger, and they needed to defend themselves. That's what your second amendment was for, back when the citizens already knew that the British army was just out killing them.
But the thing is, if everyone knows that the police is getting insane and murderous, well, just look at what happened : the police got kicked out by the higher authority. This is all the proof you can need that your argument is actually bogus, because the problem you're claiming you're protecting yourself from, that problem already has a solution. It happened right here, just now.
So you're still achieving nothing at all.
The idea of making preventive measures against your own town's police just boggles me.
The idea of making preventive measures against your own town's police just boggles me.you don't live in mexico, do you?
The idea of making preventive measures against your own town's police just boggles me.you don't live in mexico, do you?
By the way, my previous post was not targeted at you.
Yes, keep missing the point that I just made in which I wasn't acting like it should be a matter of recourse, but what could easily happen if there's too much of an abuse of power by the police. I know the peaceful protest did it's job and then some, I'm saying that because this HAPPENED, that there will be people far more hostile to cops in general moreso than ever.Were you, now? Because you're doing an extraordinarily shitty job at communicating that:
The Right to Bear Arms is sadly becoming even more of a necessity if this continues to happen again and again...
When the forces that are supposed to protect you are doing shit like this, it sadly starts becoming more of a necessary precaution than it ever should be.
Well I surely hope it wasn't directed at me, I was being sarcastic.It was a general statement in response to the subject of the discussion at the moment. That's why I was speaking generally without quoting or naming anyone, and using plural. I don't target anyone unless I'm specifically and explicitly targeting someone.
Who the fuck is Cliven BuncyHe's a racist piece of shit whose cattle were grazing on protected federal land (protecting an endangered species of tortoise) for two decades and recently, literally gathered an armed militia to try and fight off government agents who wanted to impound his cattle. (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/us/politics/rancher-proudly-breaks-the-law-becoming-a-hero-in-the-west.html)
“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.Suddenly no one wanted to talk about him! What gives?
“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”
And let's not distort history because peaceful protests did tidbits. Now that most people literally "believe" that all people are "relatively" free, things will remain completely static. It hurts.I disagree entirely. Things will never stay static; the fight will always continue. It only looks like things are static because we've come so, so far, but we still have a long road ahead!
Trayvon didn't change anythingbecause zimmerman was not guilty
By the way, had no clue you were (likely) black. Are you?nope, I mean like, the collective we, the entire human race! And from personal experience; as a gay dude, I definitely have felt things improving.
I see. Well you would feel things changing, no? Entire laws have been enacted which legalize practices formerly denied to gays. Thank goodness mentalities are changing too.By the way, had no clue you were (likely) black. Are you?nope, I mean like, the collective we, the entire human race! And from personal experience; as a gay dude, I definitely have felt things improving.
Oh, so you're not advocating guns and NRA stuff, but "sadly it becomes a necessity" ? Yeah, it's everyone's fault for missing your point, sure, it's not your fault.
It's not a necessity. Even when shit goes so far south like that, it still gets resolved like it just did, without any necessity like the one you say.
By the way, my previous post was not targeted at you.
While the Second Amendment is often interpreted as being a measure to ensure citizens could overthrow the government if it became too corrupt, an equally valid interpretation exists that states that the amendment is in fact about establishing the equivalent of an army: instead of a centralized army there would be instead loosely connected militias dedicated towards national defense. There was a lot of indecision about what shape the American government would take in the early days, as the Federalists and the anti-Federalists struggled to hash out a workable system of governance. The anti-Federalists were wary of a strong central government and thus disinclined to want a national army; small militias could've been a compromise between the two sides.Of course we as civilians are screwed considering how powerful the military is, doesn't stop the fact of actually TRYING to overthrow the government if it gets too corrupt anything less than exercising the rights we have been given since the nation's birth.
Of course, even if the first interpretation was taken as true, it doesn't have a lot of use in the modern day. The only way an armed revolt of citizens could overthrow the government today was if almost the entire population rose up; modern military technology is simply too advanced. It's not like the founders envisioned people with hunting rifles facing off with jets, or something.
Were you, now? Because you're doing an extraordinarily shitty job at communicating that:Again, you took those quotes out of context. The first one was ONLY if the situation at Ferguson was repeated again and again(NOT the shooting of the person in question, but how the police handled it). The second is pretty much the same as the first. My fuck ups can easily be attributed to the fact that in certain cases I just can't get my point across.
Again, you took those quotes out of context. The first one was ONLY if the situation at Ferguson was repeated again and again(NOT the shooting of the person in question, but how the police handled it). The second is pretty much the same as the first. My fuck ups can easily be attributed to the fact that in certain cases I just can't get my point across.C'mon. Nothing in your first post says anything like what you're describing now, and that other post was quoted in full.
I'm not saying that we should be ready and take down the government or whatever nonsense that you guys would stretch from my posts, but I'm saying the possibility should neverbe tossed off the table, I am NOT against peaceful protests if they help the situation(lord knows how many times I've gotten that drilled into my head in life), but if shit truly does go south, then it SHOULD be an option, a last resort.All of this is kind of self-contradictory, or at least, self-excusive.
I'm mainly saying the police should really never have this level of power to begin with. National Guard? CIA? Sure. Normal Police Force? Why would they have all the stuff that happened in Ferguson for? And to abuse it as hugely as they did for the complete dismantling of the force to even be a thing?
We can effect change in the government much more effectively than armed revolt, even if it became absurdly corrupt.
unfortunatelly trough history this is what a police officer sees or thinks about an african american during this kind of events in this country, for most of them they are not "good people" other than delinquents saddly... a racial issue that has been passed trough decades...
Hmmm.... you think that raging protesters that are protesting against the police will feel protected by them?no, but the people and places surrounding the protest should feel protected against looters that are amongst the protesters
Just before midnight, some in what had been a large and rowdy but mostly well-behaved crowd broke into that same small store, and began looting it, according to Missouri State Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson. Some in the crowd began throwing rocks and other objects at police, Johnson said. One officer was hurt, but details on the injury were not immediately available. Johnson added that police backed off to try and ease the tension. He believes looting may have spread to a couple of nearby stores. No arrests were made.
yeah how about we stick with the main subject for the rest of this thread
such as
in an event i don't think any of us expected, buddhist monks from tibet and india have joined the protest (https://twitter.com/TheEyeOfControl/status/501114222756253697)
With racism so much less "glaring" than it was in the past, I don't think it will inspire or galvanize non-blacks enough to actually do something.You have a very pessimistic and unrealistic outlook.
Personally I don't think its in anyone's personal interest to defend us, really.
You have a very pessimistic and unrealistic outlook.I should have stopped right there. Hearing people like you, who have no clue what they're talking about, makes me cringe. No offense. I needed to say it.
We are animals for sure, and racism (aka the fear of something different) is a necessary evolutionary device.That makes - no sense. Do you really expect me to defer to that? I hope that no one accepts this sentence because it's absolutely absurd.
But we also have a very special intelligence that gives us a say in our progress. Do you not think it really works like that, that we'll forever be a bunch of dumb animals?This part of your post I can actually respond to. The reason why I am so pessimistic is because of revelations highlighted by videos like these:
Things might not be as glaring as slavery or hosing people down in the streets but when an 85 year old white billionaire gets caught saying some mildly racist shit and everybody starts jumping up and down like crazy...it makes me think that we still got a pretty good focus on the wrongs of racism. Wrong is wrong, and intelligence will always side with right regardless of the emotionally driven detours along the way.
We have the power to refine ourselves as a species.....and that's evolution and it's a mystery.
Also, you shouldn't use "personally" and "personal" in the same sentence.I had to; I should have put a comma after personally, though. In my original post "personal" was absent. I added personal because I acknowledge that there are members of other races who recognize what regularly happens and would love to help, but helping would ultimately work to their detriment monetarily or otherwise.
I should have stopped right there. Hearing people like you, who have no clue what they're talking about, makes me cringe. No offense. I needed to say it.I'm not saying the attitude isn't understandable. It's just not an attitude of advancement, but you don't believe in that anyway. And I'll throw in the classic "you don't know who I am or where I came from". And I don't know you either. But I wouldnt've replied to this if I didn't have the life experience to warrant it.
That makes - no sense. Do you really expect me to defer to that? I hope that no one accepts this sentence because it's absolutely absurd.It was a completely valid statement. You kinda echoed it at the end of your post.
This part of your post I can actually respond to. The reason why I am so pessimistic is because of revelations highlighted by videos like these:20/20 used to be a good show like 20/20 years ago. I think my previous comments cover this.
Bike Thief: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qMK-JSXawM
Vandalism: (Part 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cCQU0jt4cs
(Part 2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLXCCcqnY-I
The people in these videos wouldn't deem themselves racists, and likely believe they are egalitarians, but unfortunately cannot recognize their racism because it has been indirectly normalized to them. Anyone can talk about progress, but when you're trying to tackle an issue that runs as deeply as the sub-conscious, you have an issue that's virtually insurmountable. Blacks and whites tend to occupy different neighborhoods and if you can't recognize this sad stratification between our two groups "in particular," and the huge problem it creates, you're simply ignorant. Merging the environments would be the answer and that will not happen because that is truly not in the interest of many to promote.
I had to; I should have put a comma after personally, though. In my original post "personal" was absent. I added personal because I acknowledge that there are members of other races who recognize what regularly happens and would love to help, but helping would ultimately work to their detriment monetarily or otherwise.It's not wrong. It just doesn't sound good. You could replace "personal interest" with "vested interest". Read it out-loud, it feels better.
Racism will mostly be gone in i would say... 60 years, when most of the people who were somewhat involved in actively pursuing it, even covertly like giving jobs to a white over a black, will be dead.The following provides the context for my opinion. I apologize for its length, but it is very important.
The places it's harder to stamp out are those where it's actively taught. That process is far slower, because these people are fucking dumb in the first place. The only way that aspect breaks is when one of the children being taught has something happen that shows them their parents were wrong and they have no way to deny it. This happens on both sides, on the white side it's about power, on the black it's about resentment. Still taught, still an issue, won't vanish as fast as the mainstream version, despite being less covert.Good point.
The actions in missouri are the covert ones, but with social media now it becomes WAY harder to hide that sort of thing as there are almost always people carrying a camera with them now. 20 years ago the cops would have utterly gotten away with it. Now, not a chance, something is going to happen.Social media is no remedy. Amadou Diallo, Trayvon, Sean Bell, Jordan Davis, were all covered in similar fashions and eventually things died down and the status quo resumed. "They" have the backing of [militarized] police and can keep blacks at bay in any way they wish. If you've heard of the Danziger Bridge Shootings, you definitely understand why I am so pessimistic. Nothing gets done because it's not in their -majority's- interest to truly do something.
I'm not saying the attitude isn't understandable. It's just not an attitude of advancement, but you don't believe in that anyway. And I'll throw in the classic "you don't know who I am or where I came from". And I don't know you either. But I wouldnt've replied to this if I didn't have the life experience to warrant it.You can talk about isolated experiences you've had, but when you're talking about the majority of people and the "observable" realities of the situations we're dealing with, I can only label you and most others naively hopeful. And my life experiences along with those of "most" other blacks raised across the spectrum would likely, by and large, contradict the positive ones you've been through.
Please do not stretch the meaning nor context of my words to fit a false paradigm.That makes - no sense. Do you really expect me to defer to that? I hope that no one accepts this sentence because it's absolutely absurd.It was a completely valid statement. You kinda echoed it at the end of your post.Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
We are animals for sure, and racism (aka the fear of something different) is a necessary evolutionary device.is wrong. First of all, racism is not automatically equated to "fear" and is actually more of a predisposition to view and treat someone negatively which can can stem from something as simple as the way they look. Some people treat others they deem "ugly" with contempt not out of fear, but because they're not physically attracted to them. Some people treat gays with contempt, not because of fear, but because they find their actions abominable. This is not about fear in the context of 'deer running from whatever 'else' approaches them,' this is about a predisposition that causes them to treat us in a particular manner.
From an evolutionary perspective, if things are working and survival is solid, anything different is a threat because it presents uncertainty.Where are you getting this stuff? Besides how wrong you are to bring this discussion down to "fear" and "a threat," where did I ever say that the remedy would be [for human or just blacks] to thoroughly kill ourselves off? I 'did' say of blacks that fighting back would be the only answer, but that would ultimately get us all killed and that's obviously counter-intuitive.
You're saying that there's no hope and we're stuck. But unless we kill ourselves off, eventually racial differences will no longer register as a threat. It's not gonna happen to everyone at once and it's not gonna completely weed itself out for a long time but it's gonna happen....unless some major world altering event occurs to completely fuck us up and send us back 150 years.
20/20 used to be a good show like 20/20 years ago. I think my previous comments cover this.They didn't because you completely missed my point and likely will again. I don't mean to be confrontational, but you're frustrating me.
It's not wrong. It just doesn't sound good. You could replace "personal interest" with "vested interest". Read it out-loud, it feels better.You are correct, sir.
Confrontation flared up after an autopsy found that Michael Brown, an unarmed teenager who was fatally shot by an officer on 9 August, had suffered at six bullet wounds including one in the top of his head.... Okay, two things.
Eye-witnesses report seeing police, with no visible ID badges, hurling tear gas and rubber bullets at protesters and threatening members of the press in another night of demonstrations.
Officers say they were responding to gunfire, looting, vandalism and the hurling of Molotov cocktails at them, with at least two people wounded.Oh really, did the press do that too ?
"Based on the conditions, I had no alternative but to elevate the level of response," said Captain Ron Johnson, from the Missouri Highway Patrol.
The "new cops" were mostly the old cops but under new management.... Oh that's just genius. After some governor or other put on an act of removing the police force that was being racist and power crazy, they actually didn't do anything. Nice waste of time and image.
Did I miss something or did Ferguson turn into a fucking 3rd world dictatorship overnight?
Car driver offered to give a ride home to remaining protesters. Police stopped the car, guns drawn
I have a brother and family in Ferguson and they unfortunately got caught up between everything that been happening.
Shit's still going down even after a week and some change, with no end in sight. (http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-fire-tear-gas-protesters-ferguson-missouri/story?id=25032050)
Johnson said journalists need to be more mindful of police efforts.... Yeah, fuck that guy.
Not ot mention how badly this is gonna end up for white people (especially when Tumblr's on this) and police from elsewhere around the US.
Not tumblr!! D:
Subsequently the students, enraged, went boiling down the western slope of Blanket Hill to confront the Guard near the ROTC building. Several KSU faculty marshals, including Frank, tried to negotiate with Gen. Canterbury to prevent more violence, but Canterbury insisted that the students must disperse. At that point, it looked more than ever as if another shooting would occur, because the students were out of their minds with grief and fury and Canterbury was locked into a very rigid pattern of thought.
Prof. Frank went to the students and, in an emotional plea, said: "I don't care whether you've never listened to anyone before in your lives. I am begging you right now. . If you don't disperse right now, they're going to move in, and it can only be a slaughter. Would you please listen to me? Jesus Christ, I don't want to be a part of this . . . !"
addendun, i was mocking the shock over tumblr in the middle of something so serious.Not tumblr!! D:
I can only imagine.
And another shooting near by were the main incident just happened hours ago, this time another black dude got shot dead by a cop, things are probably gonna get heat up a bit moreGoddammit.
Not ot mention how badly this is gonna end up for white people (especially when Tumblr's on this) and police from elsewhere around the US.You've really got to the real victims of all this: white people! How is this travesty of justice going to affect white people who don't live in Ferguson? Why won't anyone consider the poor, disaffected white people who might read mean things on tumblr! Oh the humanity!
Imagine if all the cops were straight and cisgendered too loljesus fucking christ
uhhh, pretty fucking sure I apologized. :/We posted at the same time. :P
addendun, i was mocking the shock over tumblr in the middle of something so serious.
The man in the St. Louis shooting had taken energy drinks and a package of pastries from a nearby convenience store, Police Chief Sam Dotson told reporters. He said that the man was “acting erratically, walking back and forth, up and down the street.”
The chief said that the officers repeatedly ordered the 23-year-old man to drop the knife and drew their weapons after he refused. The chief said the man told the police: “Shoot me now. Kill me now.”
He said the two officers fired after the man moved toward one of them and came within 3 to 4 feet.
The fatal confrontation began on Aug. 9 shortly after the police received reports that two men had robbed a convenience store in Ferguson. Officer Wilson, who was not responding to the robbery, had stopped to speak with Mr. Brown and a friend, Dorian Johnson. The Ferguson police chief, Thomas Jackson, said that it was around the time that Officer Wilson started talking to the two that he realized they fit the description of the suspects in the convenience store robbery.That's new.
But he said he did see a police officer get out of the patrol car and start walking briskly while firing on Mr. Brown as he fled.That's... that's just nonsense. He starts to run away, the cop fires, and THEN Brown turns back and attacks ? That's a retarded allegation.
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According to his account to the Ferguson police, Officer Wilson said that Mr. Brown had lowered his arms and moved toward him, law enforcement officials said. Fearing that the teenager was going to attack him, the officer decided to use deadly force. Some witnesses have backed up that account.
Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don't want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. Don't argue with me, don't call me names, don't tell me that I can't stop you, don't say I'm a racist pig, don't threaten that you'll sue me and take away my badge. Don't scream at me that you pay my salary, and don't even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?
One time, for instance, my partner and I faced a belligerent man who had doused his car with gallons of gas and was about to create a firebomb at a busy mall filled with holiday shoppers. The potential for serious harm to the bystanders would have justified deadly force. Instead, I distracted him with a hook about his family and loved ones, and he disengaged without hurting anyone. Every day cops show similar restraint and resolve incidents that could easily end up in serious injuries or worse.I didn't fire my weapon near a car doused in gasoline, what else do I have to do to earn a damn medal
And you don’t have to submit to an illegal stop or search.Oh, okay, that makes sense
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don’t challenge a cop during a stop
You know that the blog you're linking to is a radical right-wing political blog, right
Visas for entering the US have some very nice questions such as "Are you going to the US for any terrorist activity ?"
Makes me think the test to become a policeman in Ferguson goes like that :
Q : Are you a white man ?
A : yes
Q : Is you IQ higher than 100 ?
A : no
Q : Are you racist ?
A : Yes
Q : Do you want to shoot black people ?
A : yes
Congratulations, you've answered correctly all questions, you're now a Ferguson Police Officer. Be proud of your race and go shoot niggers out there. Don't forget to scream "noncompliance !!! noncompliance !!!" in the process.
:gonk:
The United States owns more guns per resident, at around 0.89, than any other nation in the world. The U.S. has over 50% more firearms per capita than the next two highest nations, Serbia and Yemen at about 0.55 and three times as many as major European countries such as France and Germany.
Al jazeera piece on the cult of compliance.great article
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/8/ferguson-police-shootracismcompliance.html
I mean, why do police departments never seem to do a psychological exam and background check of the people they hire. You know, to know if the one being hired isn't a racist nutcase that became an officer just with the thought, "Hey, now I can shoot a black guy and not get reprimanded for it!"http://criminologycareers.about.com/od/Job_Market/a/Psychological-Screening-For-Police-Officers.htm
I mean, why do police departments never seem to do a psychological exam and background check of the people they hire. You know, to know if the one being hired isn't a racist nutcase that became an officer just with the thought, "Hey, now I can shoot a black guy and not get reprimanded for it!"http://criminologycareers.about.com/od/Job_Market/a/Psychological-Screening-For-Police-Officers.htm
that said, it's naive to think psychological exams will always pick up these things. it's not a "hey do you want to shoot the blacks" "FUCK YES" "ok you cant be a cop please leave" situation
http://boingboing.net/2014/08/20/officer-go-fuck-yourself-says.html?fk_bb
Still, they could be a bit more thorough with their process.dude, how. no amount of psychological tests can determine exactly how a person will react to situations like these. no amount of psychological tests will determine how much this person will change after becoming a cop and going through shit. i hate it when people bring up MAKE SURE THEYRE NOT CRAZY in cases like this one or in gun control arguments. there's only so much a handful of tests can determine about a person and how they will really react to something
Still, they could be a bit more thorough with their process.dude, how. no amount of psychological tests can determine exactly how a person will react to situations like these. no amount of psychological tests will determine how much this person will change after becoming a cop and going through shit. i hate it when people bring up MAKE SURE THEYRE NOT CRAZY in cases like this one or in gun control arguments. there's only so much a handful of tests can determine about a person and how they will really react to something
I do believe (in the spirit of Law & Order detective work) you could suss out a racist before they're hired.Hmm... I'll allow it, but you better be going somewhere with this, counselor.
The suit, filed in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri, says law enforcement met a broad public outcry over the Aug. 9 killing of 18-year-old Michael Brown with "militaristic displays of force and weaponry," (and) engaged U.S. citizens "as if they were war combatants."
The lawsuit seeks a total of $40 million on behalf of six plaintiffs, including a 17-year-old boy who was with his mother in a fast-food restaurant when they were arrested. Each of the plaintiffs was caught up in interactions with police over a period from Aug. 11 to 13, the suit allege.
Named as defendants are the city of Ferguson, St. Louis County, Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson, St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Delmar, Ferguson police officer Justin Cosmo, and other unnamed police officers from Ferguson and St. Louis County.
Neither the city, county nor police departments had any immediate comment on the lawsuit.
Police officers in Ferguson, Missouri, have begun wearing body cameras after weeks of unrest over the shooting death of an unarmed black teen by a white officer and sharply differing accounts of the incident, officials said on Sunday.
With almost 100K views on Storify, Shaun King details the plan of action by the Ferguson police to cover up the shooting through a series of events that sound straight out of a major motion picture. From police union reps instructing Darren Wilson to not make a statement after the incident occurred to a mapping of the distance from Wilson’s car to Brown’s body, it seems that the Ferguson Police Department will have a lot of explaining to do.
And yep...Of course the cop didnt get indicted....I figured that shit was going to happen smh
Better tell all those scared petite whites to lock their doors, so that nobody pays attention to the fact that a MOTHER LOST HER SON AND NOBODY IS TO TAKE THE BLAME.truth
Fuck this. Fuck every single thing about this.
What do us people of color have to do to gain respect in on this fucking planetisn't the reelected president black
Disappointing is the understatement of the century.
titln are you serious because obama is often publicly disrespected, including during visits to states (jan brewer), and state of the union (joe wilson) which are the most famous ones i can come up withWhat do us people of color have to do to gain respect in on this fucking planetisn't the reelected president black
yeah there are still a bunch of racists around but "we get no respect in this fucking planet" seems like a ridiculous stretch
furthermore, its plain fact that african americans are viewed negatively by a lot of people. you can go to any internet comment section. its not just trolling, and even if it is, you can tell theres vitriol behind it. nobody goes "haha fucking niggers go back to africa" just for a couple harmless noncommital laughs. they most likely mean it, and even if they didnt, they would not use such rhetoric if they did not hold them in a negative light.
guess it's easy to forget that when they can't even buy a fucking sandwich without getting killed, under the guise that it looked like a firearmyeah i'm sure that has happened more than once
What do us people of color have to do to gain respect in on this fucking planetPretty sure white is a color too... kinda hate the fact that people that arent caucasian, always bring that up. I mean everyone is a person of color.
Actually being in the city during this nonsense is frustrating. The rich white parts are all blocking up their doors like us blacks are a bunch of rabid animals with no self control.
One of the most prominent pieces of American history were the non-violent African-American movement during its period of segregation. A very similar situation JUST occurred in Florida with the Treyvon Martin case, with minimal damage and a peaceful resolution. The name of the bloody protests are "Hands Up, Don't Shoot". Yet they call the National Guard and declare a state of emergency.
What do us people of color have to do to gain respect in on this fucking planet, make our universal symbol a damn Hello Kitty painting? I can only help but think that if some middle age rich white woman's kid were shot by the police (a very likely scenario), the media wouldn't dare to portray their own people like that. But you know how those negros act when you kill their children. Better tell all those scared petite whites to lock their doors, so that nobody pays attention to the fact that a MOTHER LOST HER SON AND NOBODY IS TO TAKE THE BLAME.
Fuck this. Fuck every single thing about this.
Not that particular but policemen killing black people from excessive use of force, negligence or just plain ignorance isn't a new thing.guess it's easy to forget that when they can't even buy a fucking sandwich without getting killed, under the guise that it looked like a firearmyeah i'm sure that has happened more than once
And this is the tip of the iceberg. Black people walking down the street doing anything remotely suspicious to the wrong cop are in danger of losing their lives because their lives aren't respected.
In either case, this has to be where policemen across the country are forced to wear cameras. It has to stop at some point.
This police vs civilian shit has to end. All we're doing is hurting and killing ourselves.Okay, let's say the rioting ends. What happens to the ruling of not prosecuting the cop ? What happens to the evidence that he didn't kill the guy in self defense ? Who talks about it ? (I mean right now, even if the camera thing got spread starting now, this is still something in the future, it won't affect this particular ruling)
Uh, you can't possibly hope to gain respect from every single person on the planet.The concept of institutionalized racism and a history of racial and ethnic abuse go so far beyond the president that I actually question if titiln was trolling bringing it up. There were 43 white presidents of the united states and one of MIXED descent. It's a step in the right direction, but to say that because one black man is in the office that we're finished and that racism is no longer an issue is borderline retarded.
Obviously there will always be a large part of the population who are just plain assholes (that includes racists, casual or not), but it's undeniable that a Black person getting elected president of the US does mean that an important part of the US population also DOES respect him. And that can't be proven wrong just by naming a few people who are insulting him, however many of them there are.
Regardless of who it was, immediately after the announcement people started looting and setting cars and buildings on fire. Meanwhile, police immediately started firing teargas and pushing and dispersing the crowds. Why would anyone condemn people for protecting themselves from rioters during a riot?
This police vs civilian shit has to end. All we're doing is hurting and killing ourselves.
There were 43 white presidents of the united states and one of MIXED descent.I would ask if you're trolling bt clearly you're really being stupid here.
You don't NEED to be volatile every time you disagree with someone. You can, but at least explain your damn point. I feel this discussion is way too important to devolve into a 2-year old screaming match, so if you're going to come at me, try again. Like an adult, please.Ah, you'd never met Byakko before?
Hey walt, why don't you jump in more of the discussions I'm in and throw in snide comments like that more often ?I'll bear that in mind. Sometimes I get busy, y'know?
losing your composure and throwing insultsThe latter doesn't mean the former. He's not entitled to anything. Even without the "retarded" part you noticed, he was still calling Titiln a troll for presenting a point that he didn't agree with.
the fact that obama was elected doesn't mean racism magically ended (it never will, some people will always hate other people over dumb shit), but it is a very important milestone. you can't say something as hyperbolic as "what do us people of color have to do to gain respect in on this fucking planet" when america's voters decided to put a person of color into office. it means that a huge amount of people in america can overlook race. you can argue that he's not really black, but he sure as fuck isn't whiteThat's a fair point, and I'm definitely NOT arguing the fact that Obama is in office is irrelevant. However being a black man (foreign to the US at that) I've seen and experienced struggles my entire life just for those reasons. We're making progress, to say we haven't would be equally as retarded, given, but my point is that in the grand scheme of things if our children are still being killed without repercussion, then no we are most definitely not respected. Saying we have ZERO respect is obviously not true, and something stated more for effect than to be dissected in particular. What's more important is that my point gets across (which seems like the general consensus anyway) that our system is fucked, and this is unacceptable, to use an understatement.
It's blatantly obvious I have nothing but respect for youRight...
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With that said, before you respond I openly suggest you step back, actually read what I've been posting without getting heated, and make a decision on what you want to say.
If you disagree with something I've said, then say it. You don't NEED to be volatile every time you disagree with someone. You can, but at least explain your damn point. I feel this discussion is way too important to devolve into a 2-year old screaming match, so if you're going to come at me, try again. Like an adult, please.
What are we, in junior high? You opened your mouth, now make your point. Unless you're just garnering attention by reacting without actually reading the posts in the thread. We both know you know better than that.
I don't respond to that. We're not kids, we're two grown men on the internet. [...] I don't respond to schoolyard tactics. Make that understood.All of this is nothing but condescending. Yes, even the "we both know you're better than that" (this has never been a good thing to say, I don't understand why people even say shit like that when they don't mean it as an insult). When you do it so often in a short period of time, it just becomes flat out insulting.
In case you had any doubts left about this being a racially charged conflict. (https://twitter.com/LogicalHater/status/537108688277094400)
The concept of institutionalized racism and a history of racial and ethnic abuse go so far beyond the president that I actually question if titiln was trolling bringing it up. There were 43 white presidents of the united states and one of MIXED descent. It's a step in the right direction, but to say that because one black man is in the office that we're finished and that racism is no longer an issue is borderline retarded.My response :
I would ask if you're trolling bt clearly you're really being stupid here.My post is really not any more aggressive than his own, plus I'm actually making a point in it ("no one said we're finished with racism"), I'm not just calling him stupid and leaving (despite claims to the contrary). Even my first sentence there is only mirroring his own about titiln trolling. Things went south after that, but you can't say my post is responsible for it, I didn't corner him into "making a mistake" any more than he cornered me into insulting him by being condescending. I'm not taking the blame every time you guys think I've thrown more insults and people don't like curse words.
And no one anywhere said that we're finished with racism. This is just blatant manipulation when you act like someone did say that.
Way to illustrate your point. The way you clearly provided a contradicting statement and your reasoning as opposed to just mindlessly calling something stupid really drove it home.This one wasn't a communication issue. He first changed my argument and then called it retarded, I called him stupid, and then this. This one wasn't a mistake. I can't accept that you say I don't need to insult people so harshly but don't bat an eye to something like that : talking about a "2 year old screaming match" when nothing even started (except him calling other people retarded - walt even pointed that out, why are you not seeing it), going "if you want to come at me, try again", and "try like an adult". You guys need to stop seeing such a difference between this kind of post and mine, and stop blaming me for responding with insults to something like that. If you're going to step in, you shouldn't let provocation like that slide in the first place, or at least admit that this was the starting point, not my response.
If you disagree with something I've said, then say it. You don't NEED to be volatile every time you disagree with someone. You can, but at least explain your damn point. I feel this discussion is way too important to devolve into a 2-year old screaming match, so if you're going to come at me, try again. Like an adult, please.
requested multiple times that you meet me as an adultOkay, then : maybe you should stop thinking that you're being nice or civil when you say something like that. You're not, and it's irritating. And I'm not intending to be anything other than civil when I say that.
First of all, I'd like to note that the violent protestors represent an overwhelming minority.I literally, in my entire life of over 20 years in NYC, have never experienced any direct racism like the incidents you describe above (not at all, actually). And to be fair, if you go up to ANYONE on the street, you will likely get dismissed, depending on what you're wearing and how you're groomed.
Secondly, I wonder if those who are saying that the election/reelection of a black President reflects a change in the perception of blacks overall, are serious? IIRC, Obama won somewhere in the range of 35% of the overall white vote, but either way, one black man's perception does not reflect every black man's treatment.
Having lived in New York City, where Obama carried over 80% of the electorate, and apparently like 52% of the white electorate state wide (which is debatable), my average black life was pretty awesome:
- Getting the cops called on me twice for running for a train whose doors were closing - the second incident was with a Latin woman
- Getting told by a fellow resident that a particular side of the doorman's desk was designated only to the building's residents and that I should stand at the other side because he assumed I was a guest
- Getting followed in a store in a Jewish area
- Attempting to ask for directions while in Manhattan like 9 times in one day in broad daylight to literally be run away from! In one incident a guy cut me off condescendingly saying, "Not interested" before a word even exited my mouth - I had a nice "PENN" shirt on that day
- Nearly getting kicked off a soccer team full of members, and two coaches, who voted for Obama because I "threw up gang symbols"
no wonder the cop was judged innocent so to speak.I think a more careful reading of this is in order.
that still debunks the whole running away from the cop thing.But most of the first witness reports said that the first shots were done up close from the car, then Brown ran away, then Wilson came out of the car and told him to stop, then Brown turned around holding his hands up, and then Wilson shot him. The whole issue that came out of those reports was that Wilson shot Brown while brown had his hands up. This is still consistent with this report.
3. When I first saw the picture, I was almost left with the impression that the bullets were fired from somewhere in the range of 6 feet away. When you have the time, look up the distances from where the autopsies say the bullets were likely fired.There was a whole issue about that, the police said Wilson shot while Brown was at so and so distance, and that distance was the limit from which it could be considered self defense, but the pictures of the actual scene showed brown's body was much further away from the police car, far beyond that limit.
4. One of the scenarios (bottom right corner) says that the trajectories shown in the images would match even if Wilson had been firing from the ground. I'd like to know how exactly that's possible?That one goes with the drawing of Wilson's body being lying face down on the ground. It's assuming that Brown was lying down and Wilson crouched to shoot. Which is retarded since no one even claimed that Brown was lying down, just that he was tumbling forward because he just got shot in the arm. But that version is completely consistent with the autopsy report, so of course they're... not showing it.
But fear not, Ferguson cops have decided that since someone was shot while unarmed someone needs to get arrested, they are pressing charges against Brown's stepfather.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/02/police-consider-charging-michael-brown-stepfather/19777847/
CNN reports that police are trying to determine whether Brown's stepfather, Louis Head, was attempting to incite a riot on Nov. 24 when he screamed "Burn this ---- down" to a crowd of protesters after St. Louis County prosecutor Robert McCulloch announced the grand jury's decision.good, he should be arrested
no wonder the cop was judged innocent so to speak.Would now be a bad time to say that one of the people assisting in the autopsy and who gave testimony in the hearing about the same is a fraud and a con artist with no medical degree? (http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/26/health/ferguson-michael-brown-pathologist-credentials/)
http://i.imgur.com/twHcd1b.png
This is another case of "If you think you have all the answers, we will change the questions:"
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/protests-erupt-after-cop-eric-garner-chokehold-death-not-indicted-n261136
The cop that choked a person to death on camera, the entire thing filmed, will not be indicted.
Case in note:
- The victim was being detained for allegedly selling loose cigarettes
- The cause of death was a back chokehold, which is not authorized to do
- The police performed the move because he was resisting arrest, however, the video posted showed no real signs of physical aggression.
- Along with the person who performed the chokehold, 3 more people were used to subdue him
- He repeatedly told the police that he cannot breathe
This is confusing, the police officer can be identified as performing the chokehold on Garner, it was on camera. And the autopsy reports show that his cause of death is indeed the chokehold.
This... This is outrageous.
Someone I USED to respect just told me if the guy had a job and had been at work it never would have happened AND the reason he died was because he was so fat. Seriously, some of the people here are stuck in the 1950's.you should have told him that if the guy had been white maybe that would not have happened either; maybe he would have realized how bigoted eh sounded and gained your respect back.
they went to grab his arm and he pulled away. he resisted arrest. i don't think he should've died, but with 31 previous arrests he should've known better. sorry
they went to grab his arm and he pulled away. he resisted arrest. i don't think he should've died, but with 31 previous arrests he should've known better. sorrythat you could dismiss this as just "well, that silly black criminal didnt learn his lesson for petty crimes, now hes dead. bad luck for him -shrugs-" is kind of disheartening.
can you elaborate instead of posting a fucking hashtag like it matters herethe post kind of sounds like "she was wearing a miniskirt on a lonely street, should have known better".
can you elaborate instead of posting a fucking hashtag like it matters herethe post kind of sounds like "she was wearing a miniskirt on a lonely street, should have known better".
the post kind of sounds like "she was wearing a miniskirt on a lonely street, should have known better"."let me resist arrest" isn't anywhere close to "let me wear what i want". one of them is a crime, the other one isn't. that's not really a fair comparison. he had plenty of experience with arrests in the past. he should've known that resisting wasn't going to help matters at all. i really don't think he should've died, it's unfortunate, but i can't side against the police on this one. i don't think they meant to kill him, they wanted to take down someone that was resisting arrest. the garner family does have a huge civil case because medical care was delayed, however
What they did wrong was use an illegal maneuveri've read the chokehold wasn't illegal, but it is against nypd policy. i don't really know though
i've read the chokehold wasn't illegal, but it is against nypd policy. i don't really know though
"Resisting arrest"... He wasn't fighting them off, swinging punches or running away. The first officer is trying to grab his arms, Garner pulls his arms out and waves them so the officer can't grab him, but he doesn't even move - meanwhile, the other officer sneaks behind him and strangles him to death where he stands. If Garner had been fighting off and shoving the cops and making big steps to push them away, maybe it would've made sense to use force to restrain him, but not even that, it's like they were simply talking and this guy just comes and murders him. If you're going to sneak up behind him, just directly cuff him, don't strangle him to death.I am envious pf your country because in mine doing something like saying "fuck! why am I getting arrested" is considered resisting arrest becasue you used the word fuck... and yeah, one person in my country recently got beat up by a cop because of that.
Not immediately obeying your every order isn't the go sign for you to commit murder. Authority doesn't work that way. You have to justify the use of force, especially if it's something like a chokehold that your department tells you not to use. ESPECIALLY if it leads to death.
"Resisting arrest"he was technically resisting arrest. not at the level in which he was attacking the cops or flat out escaping, but he was resisting arrest, enough to make it count as such. police in some countries are extremely sensitive about this.
I'm 100% positive if he KNEW pulling his hand away would result in him being strangled to death in the street, he wouldn't have done it.i'm pretty sure he knew (like most people do) that resisting from arrest in any shape or form is not going to improve the situation at all. it's not going to make the cops go "oh you know what you're right, we shouldn't arrest you, honestly we're being ridiculous. sorry for the trouble". complain in the courtroom. complaining as it's happening is not going to help at all, it's only going to make it worse for you
What's the difference between illegality and going against policies pertaining to law enforcement?as far as i can tell one is punishable in court and the other will get you reprimanded or fired. it's still something he shouldn't have done according to the rules he's supposed to follow, but saying it's an illegal chokehold is wrong if what i read is right. i've also read some people say it wasn't a choke hold, it was a "submission hold" but fuck if i know what it really is
NYPD probers “are trying to determine whether it was technically “a chokehold or a submission hold,” an important distinction, because chokeholds are specifically barred under department guidelines, a source said.
NYPD probers “are trying to determine whether it was technically “a chokehold or a submission hold” put on Garner — an important distinction, because chokeholds are specifically barred under department guidelines, a source said.
The rules don’t refer to “submission holds,” which include headlocks, a common practice by city cops.
“That’s something that’s in play,’’ the source said. “If you look at the video, the officer has one arm around his neck and the other arm is hooked underneath Garner’s arm. Does this meet the criteria of a chokehold?”
In January 2014, tough new penalties for selling untaxed cigarettes took effect in New York City. In July, emboldened by the new law, the city’s highest-ranking uniformed cop, Philip Banks, issued an order to crack down on loosie sales days before Garner died.
i'm pretty sure he knew (like most people do) that resisting from arrest in any shape or form is not going to improve the situation at all. it's not going to make the cops go "oh you know what you're right, we shouldn't arrest you, honestly we're being ridiculous. sorry for the trouble". complain in the courtroom. complaining as it's happening is not going to help at all, it's only going to make it worse for youBut at the same time, no one naturally just lets their freedom of movement taken away, it's mostly "permanent victims" or people who have extensive knowledge on rights, police forces and legal stuff who will know to let it go. If you get your hands grabbed, of course you'll pull out at least by reflex unless you can fully rationalize it and think through your options. That's why it shouldn't be considered resisting arrest when it's a very soft reaction like that.
With Michael Brown, he attacked a police officer.He said, she said.
What evidence that Michael Brown attacked Darren Wilson contradicted with other evidence?
The distance between the car and the body that was like three times that given in the public announcement by the police, where the latter just happened to be the maximum distance where a cop could start considering that he was in danger (not counting firearms of course) and defend himself with force.
Trayvon Martin should be alive or George Zimmerman should be in jail. There was no need for Zimmerman to approach Trayvon and for it to escalate to that. During the trial though, as soon as they had a witness say that Trayvon was ontop of Zimmerman, the case was over. Since there was no evidence of who physically started the fight. That's how our self defense laws work. Because of that, the outcome of the trial makes sense.If you were to poll black forumgoers or black people(men) in general, I'd wager that 100% have been told something akin to, 'being violent toward cops, especially as a colored person, is tantamount to committing suicide.' A method that seems all too suspicious to me whenever a black person gets killed, is the allegation that, 'He threatened me; he was violent toward me; etcetra,' when blacks from all walks of life tend to be advised to try to deal with officers with an err of extreme caution, especially considering how numerous these killings - then acquittals - tend to be. 'He threatened me; he was violent toward me,' always seems to pop up when the black can never live to tell the tale.
Trayvon Martin should be alive or George Zimmerman should be in jail. There was no need for Zimmerman to approach Trayvon and for it to escalate to that. During the trial though, as soon as they had a witness say that Trayvon was ontop of Zimmerman, the case was over. Since there was no evidence of who physically started the fight. That's how our self defense laws work. Because of that, the outcome of the trial makes sense.Regarding Trayvon, let me outline what likely happened given that Trayvon had been to that neighborhood many times before and was on his way to his step-dad's house.
- The dispatcher already told Zimmerman to stop following the 17 year old boy and not to approach
- The onus is on Zimmerman for following him when told not to.
When the dispatcher asks if Zimmerman is following the teen, he replies, "Yeah."doesn't sound like STOP FOLLOWING HIM THIS IS AN ORDER
"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says. Zimmerman replies, "OK."
You're right, it isn't explicit.it wasn't an order at all
“Are you following him?” the operator for the Sanford police’s non-emergency line asks Zimmerman. “Yeah,” he says. The dispatcher on the phone tells him: “We don’t need you to do that.”
Who the aggressor was that fateful night is the central — and most unanswerable — question of the case. Those who fault Zimmerman have latched on to this back-and-forth with Sean Noffke, the operator, as proof that Zimmerman defied a direct police order.
Not so. Noffke testified on the first day of the jury trial that it is dispatchers’ policy not to give orders to callers. “We’re directly liable if we give a direct order,” he explained. “We always try to give general basic . . . not commands, just suggestions.” So, “We don’t need you to do that” is different than a more direct “Don’t do that.”
Under cross-examination, Noffke added more context to his “suggestion” when asked whether his requests for updates on what Martin was doing encouraged Zimmerman to follow the unarmed 17-year-old. “It’s best to avoid any kind of confrontation, to just get away from the situation,” Noffke said.
I guarantee you the reason he's free is because of the witness that claimed Trayvon was ontop of Zimmerman.I understand that, but the prosecution should have been able to drive home the point that even if Trayvon had been on top of him, Trayvon would reasonably have done so while intending to defend himself because Zimmerman was clearly following him as Trayvon mentioned in the phone call to his friend.
I guarantee you the reason he's free is because of the witness that claimed Trayvon was ontop of Zimmerman.I understand that, but the prosecution should have been able to drive home the point that even if Trayvon had been on top of him, Trayvon would reasonably have done so while intending to defend himself because Zimmerman was clearly following him as Trayvon mentioned in the phone call to his friend.
Take these scenarios:
- A person follows you in a city for about half an hour and you know they're following you. You duck behind buildings and that person keeps tailing you. You shoot that stranger precisely because you fear for your life and have no idea why that person has been following you. A jury could reasonably find you not guilty precisely because that person was following you making you fear for your life.
- A person follows you for 20 minutes and you know they're following you. You hide behind a pillar and the pursuit continues. You eventually stand off with then fight the the person following you. If you're arrested and charged with assault you could reasonably be acquitted because the person was following you making you fear for your life.
The added element that makes Trayvon's case so bad is that, He was visiting his step-dad who lived there, Trayvon was extremely familiar with the neighborhood and had been there many times before, to which I'm like come on!
more than overkill, more like a heinous cold blooded murder. killing people isnt part of their job description of protecting and serving
To put this in perspective for anyone who thinks that officers automatically act rationally, understand that most police forces are made up of people who didn't necessarily do very well in school.
Much of the time American police forces are made up of people who, when given an ounce of power, go way overboard.
and left out the part about cops being comparable to Nazis.Not sure whether this is an innocent misinterpretation or a deliberate misrepresentation.
Now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna go practice my Hitler walk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPxBjIuNIto
Much of the time American police forces are made up of people who, when given an ounce of power, go way overboard.The same applies to nearly anybody in any position of power. Power goes to peoples' heads, whether they were reasonable beforehand or not. It's human nature, and it's far more broad than is being stated here.
hands up and surrounded by religious leaders
shot because he was acting furtive
you are right, my bad!hands up and surrounded by religious leaders
shot because he was acting furtive
You misread the article. The sheriff holding the press conference was surrounded by religious leaders. The guy who was shot was in a stolen vehicle and is still alive.
Yeah, you're not Black, no worry.
a cop just killed my GTA5 character even though he's white. anyone else experiencing this bug?
making this issue about race guarantees it will get nowherecan you explain to me how this is not a race issue. im being totally sincere.
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cops are hate groups now?While I totally understand how making this a racial issue may ultimately turn people off, I want to expand on Gritsmaster's point because I'm not sure many of us are grasping the seriousness of the issue. What Grits is saying, just as Byakko said, is that people are inclined to react to blacks differently from the way they would react to whites. You can find examples of similar cases that happen to whites, that doesn't change the fact that by and large these incidents happen predominantly to blacks to the point where our communities have come to view it as a regularity; are you trying to suggest that all of these people are just being illogical and biased?
So if a klansmen stabs a black guy its all good because people of all races get stabbedcan you explain this fucking trainwreck of an analogy please
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I took as though you meant to level a certain amount of blame on him.but i was. what he was doing is illegal (which is bullshit, but that's another subject) and he resisted arrest. if he did neither of those things he'd be alive. of course it was the cops' actions that led to his death (be it because of the choking or because of his poor health), but it's silly to think he has zero amount of blame
So if a klansmen stabs a black guy its all good because people of all races get stabbedcan you explain this fucking trainwreck of an analogy please
coo
black people aren't the only ones on the receiving end of police brutality. go look up some other cases. these took me a couple minutes on google
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/28/james-boyd-shooting_n_5052370.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/13/us/california-homeless-beating-verdict/
http://abcnews.go.com/US/chicago-police-found-guilty-covering-bartender-beating/story?id=17716840
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/nypd-kevin-maloney-testifies-officer-richard-kern-baton-michael-mineo-article-1.193731
making this an issue about race only divides efforts to bring some kind of solution to the problem. saying this is just cops being racist is misguided and disregards victims of other races
This. Reminds me of a story about how I got profiled because I looked like the perp. Just when I was gonna walk home because of that nonsense pissed off, A white guy who was at the playground I was at then told me about how he was profiled the same way.You are missing the point. Where incidents of that nature do occur outside of the black race they are FAR more common concerning the black race! Add to that getting shot when unarmed to have the defendant say, "He threatened me, he was violent toward me, etc." then being acquitted or going un-indicted specifically because of literal racial biases stemming from stereotypes, coupled with the [unarmed] black person not being alive to defend themselves.
These types of problems SEEM like race issues, but more of cops becoming over-suspicious and then immediately going with a "Shoot first, ask questions never" mentality.
the concept of "it happens to everyone therefore it's not racist" is a rather obnoxious stance that gets taken a bit too frequently to avoid talking about it.but that's the definition of something not being racist. if it happens to everybody regardless of their color it's not racist. if race wasn't a factor then it's not racist. if a klansman stabs a black dude it's because that's the point of the kkk so of course it's racist. if the kkk stabbed people regardless of color they wouldn't be racist. not that it would be right obviously, but it's not racist. bringing up the kkk makes your analogy dogshit
the concept of "it happens to everyone therefore this specific incident is not racist" is a rather obnoxious stance that gets taken a bit too frequently to avoid talking about it.
"It is important for you to convey to the public that police officers pursue criminality, not color. Officers must have a reason to make contact with an individual. They must be able to explain later in court that they had either a reasonable suspicion or probable cause to believe the individual had committed or was about to commit an offense.Counter argument : stop and frisk. Instantly renders the above quote null and void since it's a lie. (yes, I know, stop and frisk is only in some particular place, but that changes nothing)
The fact is that more than 95 percent of police contacts are handled without rising above the level of dialog. This is because most people are cooperative and compliant. This is the way it should be, because it is unlawful to resist and or obstruct an officer, while in the performance of his/her duty.
If a person disagrees with a stop or an arrest, the place to argue the case vigorously is in a court of law, not on the street."
It seems to me the person calling in the false 911 call is the one accountable.The 911 calls are indeed often bullshit in those cases, but the cops still have to assess the situation by themselves without such massive prejudice. Was the BB gun visually recognizable as fake ? If not, the company that makes them should get sued for being criminally dangerous. If yes, then the cop should be sued for being a fucking moron and a murderer.
There's probably tons of 911 calls all the time in a single day, it's the police's job to filter them out and figure out which ones are legit and which ones are full of shit.
It may be one, but talking about it as one is guaranteed to get nowhere. If you want to solve the issue, you have to address the underlying problem - that the cops can kill people just because they're afraid, then it turns out they were wrong and the guy really wasn't a threat at all, and yet they get away with murder. Focusing on the race issue is a sure fire way for this to never get anywhere. It's happened before, several times.
black people aren't the only ones on the receiving end of police brutality. go look up some other cases. these took me a couple minutes on google
So if a klansmen stabs a black guy its all good because people of all races get stabbed
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I don't really see the relevancy in pertinence to the discussion. Any protest movement has at least one faction of ignorant dickheads but they neither take away from peaceful protests, nor excuse cop behaviour. You might as well have posted black panther stuff.
"CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Heartless Felons gang gave its members orders to kill white police officers to avenge black lives taken by white police officers, including the Nov. 21 Tamir Rice shooting, officials said."
yeah this will really help (http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/12/cleveland_heartless_felons_gan.html)
There's probably tons of 911 calls all the time in a single day, it's the police's job to filter them out and figure out which ones are legit and which ones are full of shit.
OK, you made me laugh.
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why are you being so patronizing about that. he's right, the Cop's job includes assessing threats, otherwise we would just send out drones to nuke out any area where people were reported to be threatening.
If I call the cops on your house for threatening to shoot out your neighbours they arent supposed to go in there and just put you down without fact checking.
It doesnt work that way here. There are 300,000,000+ firearms in this country and an emergency report that someone is loading an AK-47 in a public place and waving it at children is going to be acted on.Sorry b but that notion is ridiculous.
I am led to believe that he had a history of anger issues, resorting in submitting to a culture, a system, of guns, violence, and cop-hating. He might tried to escape using this culture, and eventually decided to appease those as a means of attention, to belong somewhere. This is apparent by the social media posts he'd made prior to the trip to New York. I would claim that he stood there waiting for someone to notice what he'd done.
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I would make this a race issue because not because the color of the killer or the victims, but because of the color of the people who condones this.
I am led to believe that he had a history of anger issues, resorting in submitting to a culture, a system, of guns, violence, and cop-hating. He might tried to escape using this culture, and eventually decided to appease those as a means of attention, to belong somewhere. This is apparent by the social media posts he'd made prior to the trip to New York. I would claim that he stood there waiting for someone to notice what he'd done.
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I would make this a race issue because not because the color of the killer or the victims, but because of the color of the people who condones this.
Completely agree. Great words, you speak the truth. You "get it". That's what I like about you.
The system is continuing. I believe it's completely intentional, too. Not to be too conspiracy theorist but I believe race is being driven and marketed the way it is, and the way it has been, intentionally by a large group of people with the goal being their own personal benefit.
A white police officer shot a black teenager to death at a gas station in the city next door to Ferguson, Missouri, touching off clashes early Wednesday between demonstrators and law enforcement.
The mayor said that video from the confrontation, in the city of Berkeley, appeared to show the teenager pointing a gun at the officer, and police said a handgun was recovered at the scene. Police said the officer feared for his life.
He took pains to say that the shooting could not be compared to the police killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson or to the chokehold death of Eric Garner in New York. The mayor, who is black, pointed out that the Berkeley police department is majority-black.
An angry crowd of about 200 gathered at near the scene of the shooting, and there were angry clashes with police. A small fire broke out at a QuikTrip across the street from the Mobil but quickly went out, said John Henry, reporter with NBC affiliate KDSK. "I can see about 50 cop cars," said Bradley Rayford, a photographer at the scene. "They're fighting and scuffling, the highway is blocked with cars, people are being arrested. Trash cans are on fire."
The mayor said that video from the confrontation, in the city of Berkeley, appeared to show the teenager pointing a gun at the officer, and police said a handgun was recovered at the scene.
I'm really not surprised that there's protesting about this, despite the protestors overlooking the glaringly obvious.From what I've seen, the protest happened very quickly after the event, long before the police released any information. The shooting was reported, the guy's friend claimed the cop was violent and shot his friend when he was running away while the police dept said the cop reacted to a gun threat, then the protest happened because of that "he said, she said", then it was reported that there was a security camera, then the mayor said the video showed the guy pull a gun, and just recently the video was made public as seen in Niitris' link (it does show the guy pulling what appears to be a gun).
Incidentally, the friend definitely said what he said thinking it would trigger some more shit, not realizing there was a security camera. Hopefully he's in a lot of trouble now because of that.