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Title: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Memo on November 23, 2014, 05:58:21 am
This is were i will post info regarding my Leona WIP
So far i have all her basic stuff done  and 1 special,
moon Slasher.

Some pics of progress

(http://i.imgur.com/Z6uCzUB.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/HDsFAEn.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/d9Qdaqz.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/2FHIWXA.gif)
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: yaret on November 23, 2014, 06:01:22 am
Great.! Memo will do again
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: HUNGRY WOLF on November 23, 2014, 06:12:51 am
Leona is looking good, Memo!
Looking forward to seeing more progress!
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Markpachi on November 23, 2014, 06:23:11 am
I think you went overboard with the blood effect on that last preview. lol
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Eddie Mort on November 23, 2014, 07:15:11 am
Ohhh hell yeah!!!
Great wip!!
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: BIG BOSS on November 23, 2014, 07:19:52 am
Looking like a real winner her man, keep up the hard work and keep us posted.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Memo on November 23, 2014, 06:17:41 pm
Thanks for the comments guys!

I think you went overboard with the blood effect on that last preview. lol

 Yeah i did but it looks so right in game.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Shaquto on November 23, 2014, 06:23:36 pm
Pretty Nice indeed keep an eye on this for sure!
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Lord Kain on November 23, 2014, 06:24:30 pm
Not digging the blood either, unless she had a sword or something, it simple doesnt match with the character, but hey your the boss you decide what you like at the end, otherwise it looks great!
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Black Hatter on November 23, 2014, 06:29:17 pm
When I saw "Leona Heidern WIP" by Memo, i was expecting KoF XIII Leona in CvS form. But alas, that's not the case.
Not complaining though! What you've shown us looks really great! Although blood loss is really overboard there, maybe you should keep it for her slashing moves, cuz in the last GIF, i saw a geyser of blood coming after a kick. But hey, do what you want. Your the coder anyways! :)
Good luck!
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on November 23, 2014, 06:30:37 pm
That idea of that EX slash move is hot man
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Memo on November 23, 2014, 06:35:01 pm
Ok so blood or no blood? I know that attack
doesnt have blood in source but its a cutting attack.
Her grab has blood, im not sure why her Moon Slasher
never had blood.

I could tone it down so its not a curtain of blood spilling out too.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: XGargoyle on November 23, 2014, 06:38:41 pm
is she going to be based on a specific game or mix of them, or are you going for a custom version?
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Memo on November 23, 2014, 06:44:22 pm
When I saw "Leona Heidern WIP" by Memo, i was expecting KoF XIII Leona in CvS form. But alas, that's not the case.
Not complaining though! What you've shown us looks really great! Although blood loss is really overboard there, maybe you should keep it for her slashing moves, cuz in the last GIF, i saw a geyser of blood coming after a kick. But hey, do what you want. Your the coder anyways! :)
Good luck!

I want the sprites, if they come around i'll use them.

is she going to be based on a specific game or mix of them, or are you going for a custom version?

Im going with the KOF 2000 moveset.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on November 23, 2014, 06:45:32 pm
Ok so blood or no blood? I know that attack
doesnt have blood in source but its a cutting attack.
Her grab has blood, im not sure why her Moon Slasher
never had blood.

I could tone it down so its not a curtain of blood spilling out too.

If you are going custom then why not? Just keep it on the slash moves. Personally i dont have a problem with that since im used to seeing her and her father do bloody slash moves in past games anyway. But a pinch of blood FX on those kinds of moves doesnt hurt i guess. If not then i say go with those Hi res slash styles (non bloody) then thats seen in Kojirobadass Fumma and Hanzo Ninjas for example
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Black Hatter on November 23, 2014, 06:46:09 pm
Ok so blood or no blood? I know that attack
doesnt have blood in source but its a cutting attack.
Her grab has blood, im not sure why her Moon Slasher
never had blood.

I could tone it down so its not a curtain of blood spilling out too.

No, what I meant is blood should be reserved for her cutting/slashing attacks, like Moon Slasher. Maybe blood in those types of attacks, and no blood in her punches and kicks. It would make a bit of sense, since that's how I remember Leona in KoF '97 (the only KoF game other than 2003 and XIII I've played). Just giving my two cents, you know? ;)
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Memo on November 23, 2014, 06:58:36 pm
Ok so blood or no blood? I know that attack
doesnt have blood in source but its a cutting attack.
Her grab has blood, im not sure why her Moon Slasher
never had blood.

I could tone it down so its not a curtain of blood spilling out too.

No, what I meant is blood should be reserved for her cutting/slashing attacks, like Moon Slasher. Maybe blood in those types of attacks, and no blood in her punches and kicks. It would make a bit of sense, since that's how I remember Leona in KoF '97 (the only KoF game other than 2003 and XIII I've played). Just giving my two cents, you know? ;)

Oh yeah, im just putting blood on her slash attacks not on her basics.

Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Memo on November 23, 2014, 08:26:55 pm
Are you guys fans of charge type commands?
Or should i change her charge commands to
DP motion?
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: WooshaQ on November 23, 2014, 08:35:00 pm
Charge type doesn't fit Leona in my opinion, did she had charge commands in the any of the source material anyway?
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: XGargoyle on November 23, 2014, 09:00:32 pm
Charge type doesn't fit Leona in my opinion, did she had charge commands in the any of the source material anyway?

Yes
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: SageHarpuiaJDJ on November 23, 2014, 09:07:53 pm
Leona has always been a charge character aside from her earring based projectiles.

So it would make sense to keep her as a charge character to those who know her well.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Hephaistos31 on November 23, 2014, 09:22:06 pm
Memo, GOOD LUCK!
The sprites looks really great, I hope you'll release another epic character, man.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: WooshaQ on November 24, 2014, 03:18:20 am
This means I haven't played her a long long time, perhaps you could use a config so people could choose their play type?
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: 地獄の花 on November 24, 2014, 05:19:26 am
Im going with the KOF 2000 moveset.

yeah! imo kof2000 has the best movesets. and would she have an orochi version?
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Memo on November 24, 2014, 05:53:16 am
This means I haven't played her a long long time, perhaps you could use a config so people could choose their play type?

For sure,  i dont really like charge commands.

Im going with the KOF 2000 moveset.

yeah! imo kof2000 has the best movesets. and would she have an orochi version?


Im not sure on an orochi mode yet,  maybe if i have everything in the sff i need.



Grand Saber
(http://i.imgur.com/7uAxSN1.gif)
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Duos on November 24, 2014, 05:56:30 am
That's some very juicy blood, but I'd ditch the transparency TBH.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Memo on November 24, 2014, 07:25:46 am
That's some very juicy blood, but I'd ditch the transparency TBH.

I ditched the trans and it makes the blood look nice
and real juicy now.

(http://i.imgur.com/tEme38K.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/XlSbbHf.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/TKVuyIh.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/ff50DKr.png)
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: HUNGRY WOLF on November 24, 2014, 07:40:39 am
Imo I felt the Trans blood looked fine. It reminded me of the blood effects that pots Nakoruru had.

Leona looks bad ass bro.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Hephaistos31 on November 24, 2014, 09:48:35 am
I stick with my buddy Hungry Wolf. The first version of blood was fine, Memo. :)
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Duos on November 24, 2014, 09:55:25 am
Imo I felt the Trans blood looked fine. It reminded me of the blood effects that pots Nakoruru had.

Leona looks bad ass bro.

Really?  I thought POTS Nako had solid blood?  I guess I've been out of it too long.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: 【 HadeS 】 on November 24, 2014, 01:34:14 pm
Imo I felt the Trans blood looked fine. It reminded me of the blood effects that pots Nakoruru had.

Leona looks bad ass bro.

This ^
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: MightyKombat on November 24, 2014, 03:12:53 pm
IRL blood isn't transparent though. If you keep the blood transparent here it looks more like Crystal Light and runs the risk of looking silly.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: 【 HadeS 】 on November 24, 2014, 03:20:04 pm
It's not but it looks better on Mugen :P
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Websta on November 24, 2014, 03:36:40 pm
No it doesn't :/
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: 【 HadeS 】 on November 24, 2014, 03:40:01 pm
I'm just kidding. I like the transparent version because other chars are already like that, that's all.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: MotorRoach on November 24, 2014, 05:51:34 pm
Or how about using different blood effects that are smaller and not as exaggerated, instead of using one that is ridiculously huge? That way you wouldn't have to make blood transparent.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: HUNGRY WOLF on November 24, 2014, 06:22:02 pm
I'm just kidding. I like the transparent version because other chars are already like that, that's all.

I must agree.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Froz on November 24, 2014, 10:17:13 pm
Perhaps use Jmorphman's updated Vice blood FX as a base? He used 2 layers: One that is greyscaled that is given a subtraction on top of the actual blood FX with addition.
He then used explods to implement them:

Code:
[State #, Blood (Additive)]
type = Explod
triggerAll = NumTarget
trigger1 = !Time
trigger2 = AnimElemTime(X) = Y
anim = 8051
sprPriority = 5
posType = P1
pos = #, #
scale = 0.5,0.5
pauseMoveTime = -1
superMoveTime = -1
ownPal = 1

[State #, Blood (Subtractive)]
type = Explod
triggerAll = NumTarget
trigger1 = !Time
trigger2 = AnimElemTime(X) = Y
anim = 8061
sprPriority = 5
posType = P1
pos = #, #
scale = 0.5,0.5
pauseMoveTime = -1
superMoveTime = -1
ownPal = 1
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: BIG BOSS on November 24, 2014, 10:57:26 pm
I say try what Froz is suggesting, I remember when jmorph was working on Vice. This same type of conversation came up, until he implemented this code. Either way it's your call and look forward to her in action. Off topic what happen to your black-widow wip, I was really looking forward to her.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Bastard Walt on November 24, 2014, 11:01:39 pm
OR HOW ABOUT NO BLOOD AT ALL?

Iori's attacks are slashes too, and there's no blood there. For consistency's sake, no blood. Also, it looks bad :beam:

Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: hairline733 on November 24, 2014, 11:20:47 pm
I think blood is a good option it makes it look like the attacks really hurt and its good for a change there shouldve been blood on ioris moves it would go better
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: sabockee on November 24, 2014, 11:24:20 pm
How about blood on\off option in config file? I'm not sure if it is possible - but  I suppose, it would make everybody happy :)
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Duos on November 24, 2014, 11:28:40 pm
I'm trying to remember how Jmorphman did it with Vice.  It's been too long, sorry guys.

OR HOW ABOUT NO BLOOD AT ALL?

Iori's attacks are slashes too, and there's no blood there. For consistency's sake, no blood. Also, it looks bad :beam:



They do in KOF!  But this is not KOF sprites so I see your point.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Bastard Walt on November 24, 2014, 11:58:08 pm
In SF2 fighters puked, in AOF the guys would bleed, teeth would fall off, faces would swell :beam: 

But all of that died out over the years, even in KOF with the Air CDs in 94/95. Everything has become more fast paced, stylish, cleaner.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Nedflandeurse on November 25, 2014, 12:18:41 am
Awesome work!
Nice to see some project like that!
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Memo on November 25, 2014, 12:34:31 am
Im going to put the blood on config for now.

Without blood.
(http://i.imgur.com/YNeEjnH.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/DBbrTDs.png)
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Duos on November 25, 2014, 12:37:04 am
In SF2 fighters puked, in AOF the guys would bleed, teeth would fall off, faces would swell :beam: 

But all of that died out over the years, even in KOF with the Air CDs in 94/95. Everything has become more fast paced, stylish, cleaner.

Yeah and in Mugen some characters piss their pants when they get KOed.  Maybe you're right lol.  Nice to know the blood will be config.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: MightyKombat on November 25, 2014, 12:42:09 am
Yeah, put it as a config option, that's a fairly good idea.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on November 25, 2014, 02:16:22 am
hmm "FX" Config option is a nice touch. Id roll with that option to please Both crowds with the FX
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Memo on November 25, 2014, 04:15:40 pm

Im coding Leona with an alt mode like Terry, this mode has her commands
changed,  BLOOD.. and a different run anim than her default run.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: BIG BOSS on November 25, 2014, 05:00:15 pm
Will it be a custom evil mode, I just want to see her eyes glow and scream uncontrollably. That intro was a all time favorite for me. Good luck on this one, looking forward to the end results.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Memo on November 25, 2014, 06:50:11 pm
Will it be a custom evil mode, I just want to see her eyes glow and scream uncontrollably. That intro was a all time favorite for me. Good luck on this one, looking forward to the end results.

Damn i just checked the sff, i dont have everything i neede to
make an orochi mode but im going to use whats there anyways
to make her a little different in her alt mode.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on November 26, 2014, 01:35:36 am

Im coding Leona with an alt mode like Terry, this mode has her commands
changed,  BLOOD.. and a different run anim than her default run.

sounds dope man
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Garuda on November 26, 2014, 07:58:02 am
Will it be a custom evil mode, I just want to see her eyes glow and scream uncontrollably. That intro was a all time favorite for me. Good luck on this one, looking forward to the end results.

Damn i just checked the sff, i dont have everything i neede to
make an orochi mode but im going to use whats there anyways
to make her a little different in her alt mode.

You should PM Dampir: IMO he will be happy helping you with the sprites for Orochi Leona.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Memo on November 26, 2014, 09:35:26 am
Will it be a custom evil mode, I just want to see her eyes glow and scream uncontrollably. That intro was a all time favorite for me. Good luck on this one, looking forward to the end results.

Damn i just checked the sff, i dont have everything i neede to
make an orochi mode but im going to use whats there anyways
to make her a little different in her alt mode.

You should PM Dampir: IMO he will be happy helping you with the sprites for Orochi Leona.

Well i dont really want to ask him to do anything right now since hes
busy with his wips and i already asked him for a conversion of Leona's
XIII sprites.  Im pretty sure hes going to do the conversion like he did K's.

I decided i was not going to use this sprite set but i got bored waiting so
i started to code her with this set.  But when those XIII sprites come by
im using them ASAP.

I think Orochi Leona sould be a separate character too,  since im using
the other mode for command changes, blood and a couple of differences
that her specials will have.

Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: BIG BOSS on November 26, 2014, 03:09:15 pm
Sounds like a good plan man, do your thing than and continue on.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Black Hatter on November 26, 2014, 03:35:16 pm
I like it so far! Good luck man! :)
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Hephaistos31 on November 26, 2014, 03:45:05 pm
2 versions is a nice idea. I admit I prefer this way for my selfish vision. :D

Ok, so we will have another set of sprites, good to hear this!! :) Not saying that I dislike the sprites that are in use right now, but Dampir is an amazing spriter and I know that it will looks better.

Keep your hard work coming, man! :)
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Gritsmaster on November 26, 2014, 04:57:14 pm
I actually really like this set of sprites, so I'm happy you're doing something with them

Dampir's xiii set will be dope tho, good luck on Leona!
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Memo on November 26, 2014, 06:26:36 pm
hey what do you guys think about this..
KOF XIII FX's on alt mode?

Sample Moon Slasher
(http://i.imgur.com/LoHwq8F.gif)
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Bastard Walt on November 26, 2014, 06:49:12 pm
Considerably flashier. Any chance that it could be the EX version? :P
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: XGargoyle on November 26, 2014, 08:28:03 pm
well, the low res character sprites certainly clash with the high res sparks

Why don't you use her KOF XIII sprites instead? http://www.justnopoint.com/lbends/index.php?location=sprites&page=&gallery=kofxiii&file=Leona
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Duos on November 26, 2014, 08:42:38 pm
XIII sprites do not have enough anims to cover the system he is working with.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: HUNGRY WOLF on November 26, 2014, 10:05:57 pm
Considerably flashier. Any chance that it could be the EX version? :P

Those fx as a ex version does make more sense since this attack looks far more powerful than the original moon slash.

Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on November 26, 2014, 10:37:15 pm
hey what do you guys think about this..
KOF XIII FX's on alt mode?

Sample Moon Slasher
(http://i.imgur.com/LoHwq8F.gif)

Love it. Im familiar with that FX there. thats perfect for her!


Considerably flashier. Any chance that it could be the EX version? :P

Those fx as a ex version does make more sense since this attack looks far more powerful than the original moon slash.



Yeah definitely agree with this also!
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Memo on November 27, 2014, 02:52:32 am
Its decided then,  i will be using them for the EX moves.
I dont have any for gliding buster tho but its ok.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: 7th and Tef on November 27, 2014, 06:29:25 am
Its decided then,  i will be using them for the EX moves.
I dont have any for gliding buster tho but its ok.

really is a beautiful work, so nice to see leona in this style so keep it up my friend :)
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: BIG BOSS on November 27, 2014, 06:44:47 am
I like that memo, looking very smooth.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Markpachi on November 27, 2014, 11:04:13 am
Is it just me, or is Leona's arm gets chunky all of the sudden near the end of the GIF animation?
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Eddie Mort on November 27, 2014, 11:45:19 am
Is it just me, or is Leona's arm gets chunky all of the sudden near the end of the GIF animation?

I can see that too

And others little pixels, i think is because the fx except for the arm
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: One Man Aumio on November 27, 2014, 01:02:16 pm
Any plan for better ai?
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Legendary DeMoNk@I on November 27, 2014, 04:11:05 pm
Is it just me, or is Leona's arm gets chunky all of the sudden near the end of the GIF animation?

lol yeah i peeped that "pop eye" shit too haha
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: yaret on December 19, 2014, 08:46:02 pm
Any news about Leona?? :)
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Gritsmaster on December 20, 2014, 03:31:52 am

Dude, don't fucking do that come on. If the person has an update about a project, they'll post it here. Don't be impatient/obnoxious.
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: Ness on December 20, 2014, 11:46:14 pm
Looking forward to a palette template!  :-)
Title: Re: Leona Heidern Wip
Post by: ShadowArm on December 24, 2014, 04:03:45 pm
id suggest changing her small portrait or modify a bit since its her '99 portrait

here's mine that i use on ZSLeona
(http://i.imgur.com/bgXqw41.png)