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Title: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: GTOAkira on March 09, 2018, 12:23:32 am
Super Smash Bros is coming to Nintendo Switch December 7 2018

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXzPRoFUQAAm1QL.jpg)





Everyone is back!!!
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/index.html
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on March 09, 2018, 12:26:49 am
i guess they're starting over? the rumors say that it'll have the wii u and 3ds content meaning all the stages exclusively on the wii u and 3ds will be here

but aside from that i'm very excited for this

we finally get to see link in his different attire, mainly the breath of the wild attire
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 09, 2018, 12:30:50 am
Argh, someone beat me in making the thread about the game.

Anyway, it was at least three years ever since the last entry. Seems to be the right time to announce the game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 09, 2018, 12:37:18 am
I posted this in the Nintendo news thread, but just repeating here since we have an actual thread to discuss it in now.

So since we know BotW Link is in this game, time to speculate.  Would it be worth losing the older Twilight Princess Link for this one?  I feel if it's just a skin, it would not do the character justice, especially as the new outfit's not exactly iconic, you try to lose it ASAP in the game for better gear.  Plus previous Link equipment doesn't carry over to the new Link at all.

I'd rather they make him a new character with a new movepool.  Name him Link, rename the old one we've had thus far to something else (Hero of Time could work, maybe, since BotW is the only time in-game they mention him being canonically called Link?  Though then you have all the manga and other sources that state otherwise, of course).  Then you can really apply BotW's new mechanics into Smash, with the breakable limited time weapons a la Robin in Smash 4 and all the little tricks that tablet can do like blocks of ice and time stopping.

Another issue arises with BotW Link becoming the default one though; what do we do with Ganondorf?  He does not have a human form in BotW.  We've been stuck with TP Link just so Ganon had a matching counter-part, but now what?  I would greatly enjoy a what-if new design for human Ganon like we got with Sheik getting a Twilight Princess design, but that may be asking for too much.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Kirishima on March 09, 2018, 12:39:07 am
Marth is at the center of the logo with what appears to be Toon Link next to him.  Feminine figure next to Bowser and Kirby is either Peach or Zelda.

There was a leak about this that name dropped the Inklings and also claimed Ice Climbers will also be featured.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on March 09, 2018, 12:43:45 am
ganondorf will return in his hyrule warriors attire soon
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Kirishima on March 09, 2018, 12:48:58 am


E3 cant come fast enough.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 09, 2018, 12:51:40 am
ganondorf will return in his hyrule warriors attire soon
Ugh, please, I hope not.  That thing was so doofy looking, with that mane.  Reminds me of SFV's Akuma.

The more I look at that silhouette of Samus the more I see Smash 4's Other M (https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/e/e4/Samus_SSB4.png) appearance, rather than Samus Returns (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/metroid/images/0/08/3DS_MetroidSamusReturns_char_01.png/revision/latest?cb=20170617175630).  Or at least some mash-up of Brawl's Prime interpretation (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/2/27/Samus_Clear_SSBB.png/revision/latest?cb=20160118005549) and whatever additions they'll have in store for Prime 4.

Oh well.  It would be the quick answer to just use Smash 4's model, I suppose.  Well, I hope they at least lose the ridiculous jet heels for Zero Suit.  I'm not going to hold onto hope for Ridley, when they were so set against him appearing, but at least some touch-ups to make the slim Metroid representation better.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: NamelessOnlinePlayer on March 09, 2018, 12:56:55 am
Glad about a new Smash coming. Hope I can get to buy a Switch this year.
Given that Link is using his BOTW attire, what could be more likely: a port with some character redesigns or a brand-new game? There's no Bandai-Namco or any third-party names in the trademarks, so I'm a bit curious on it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on March 09, 2018, 12:57:23 am
ganondorf will return in his hyrule warriors attire soon
Ugh, please, I hope not.  That thing was so doofy looking, with that mane.  Reminds me of SFV's Akuma.

The more I look at that silhouette of Samus the more I see Smash 4's Other M (https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/e/e4/Samus_SSB4.png) appearance, rather than Samus Returns (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/metroid/images/0/08/3DS_MetroidSamusReturns_char_01.png/revision/latest?cb=20170617175630).  Or at least some mash-up of Brawl's Prime interpretation (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/2/27/Samus_Clear_SSBB.png/revision/latest?cb=20160118005549) and whatever additions they'll have in store for Prime 4.

Oh well.  It would be the quick answer to just use Smash 4's model, I suppose.  Well, I hope they at least lose the ridiculous jet heels for Zero Suit.  I'm not going to hold onto hope for Ridley, when they were so set against him appearing, but at least some touch-ups to make the slim Metroid representation better.

yeah, i'm hoping to see which pokemon will be here and which won't

probably pikachu will be here from the look of the silhouette group
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: RoySquadRocks on March 09, 2018, 01:01:12 am
Pac-Man better be in this installment!!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: R565 on March 09, 2018, 01:02:56 am
Pac-Man better be in this installment!!!

My guess it's a complete edition with a few more fighters and other things.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 09, 2018, 01:06:59 am
I sincerely doubt you have any need to worry about Pikachu in relevance to ANYthing related to Pokémon.  Presume Charizard will be safe as well, considering its immense popularity as well.  We all assumed Jigglypuff was cut out last game, but it appears legacy matters more than relevance in some cases, as long as it doesn't break the game like Ice Climbers, so I'll just say for Jigglypuff she's going to be fine.  Apparently the one from the original anime has become relevant again in the Sun and Moon one anyways, so there's always that too.

I'm less certain on Greninja.  He had his time in the sun with the X/Y anime series really boosting his popularity, but that's done and done.  And it has no use in the latest games.  I could see Greninja getting the boot for Decidueye.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on March 09, 2018, 01:08:20 am
Pac-Man better be in this installment!!!

My guess it's a complete edition with a few more fighters and other things.

meaning it'll have the biggest stage roster ever
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: R565 on March 09, 2018, 01:29:09 am
Pac-Man better be in this installment!!!

My guess it's a complete edition with a few more fighters and other things.

meaning it'll have the biggest stage roster ever
EXACTLY.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on March 09, 2018, 01:45:42 am
And the Smash wishlisting begins once again. :P  It's most likely going to be an enhanced edition of the Wii U release, so I wouldn't hold your breath for too much more content.  Maybe 4 or 5 new characters at best, I'd wager.

That being said, if they're not porting this one to 3DS too they have no excuse not to bring Ice Climbers back.  I wouldn't mind seeing Charizard go back to being Pokemon Trainer either.  Also literally anything more from the Mother series.  There's no chance of another Mother character, but at least they could bring back Fourside or New Pork City.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 09, 2018, 01:58:56 am
I dunno about condensing Charizard back to Red and the others.  I felt splitting the character between three states just made it less fun to play overall.  It gets rid of Red, Squirtle and Ivysaur, sure, but there wasn't a whole lot to them to begin with.  I'd rather Charizard feel like a complete character, and maybe see about doing the same for the other two (Granted, that would fill the roster with even more Pokémon, but perhaps offset that by making them Blastoise and Venusaur instead?  Same general moveset concept, just larger.  Getting the original trio all in there would be a nice treat)

Ditto on more Mother though.  Paula would be fun with her frying pan and more devastating magic.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on March 09, 2018, 03:15:11 am
I'm too hyped. I need to see MORE!!! MORE, DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME, NINTENDO?!!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on March 09, 2018, 12:41:17 pm
I already predicted before that there wouldn't be a Smash for Switch...
...but MAN! I'm glad I was wrong!
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: 地獄の花 on March 09, 2018, 12:49:31 pm
when i saw the trailer i thought it was a parody and they were staring at some ku klux klan burning cross.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on March 09, 2018, 12:59:57 pm
Also, friendly reminder: (https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--FofXtZha--/t_Preview/b_rgb:ffffff,c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1446247468/production/designs/309455_1.jpg)

Not to say that this is actually the case, but it's a funny theory nonetheless
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: R565 on March 09, 2018, 05:53:35 pm
People have been meme crazy with the thing the inkling girl saw.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on March 09, 2018, 06:03:06 pm
People have been meme crazy with the thing the inkling girl saw.

i saw that on twitter as well
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on March 09, 2018, 06:16:05 pm
Someone took a stab at trying to identify all the silhouetted characters:

(https://i.redd.it/666x9sx1dnk01.jpg)

Seems legit.  Only one that's not really clear enough to guess is the figure between Samus and Bowser.  That circle looking thing behind them could either be the Monado or the trails of Ike's headband.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Kirishima on March 09, 2018, 07:04:35 pm
A thought just came to me.

Let's assume this is Smash 5.  How would you all feel if this follows a format similar to that of Street Fighter V in terms of how future character seasons and contents are distributed?  Say that we start off with a small roster the size of Melee's cast sans Hidden characters and will have a lengthy lifespan along the way.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 09, 2018, 07:15:07 pm
Now is this hypothetically taking the place of the traditional Smash unlockable content, or are we talking just extra seasons of chars, stages and possibly items

Because I firmly support expansion packs, but not if it means sacrificing the joy I get out of a new stage being unlocked
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on March 09, 2018, 07:30:05 pm
Someone took a stab at trying to identify all the silhouetted characters:

(https://i.redd.it/666x9sx1dnk01.jpg)

Seems legit.  Only one that's not really clear enough to guess is the figure between Samus and Bowser.  That circle looking thing behind them could either be the Monado or the trails of Ike's headband.

.... Or snakes headband
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on March 09, 2018, 07:47:51 pm
Snake's never coming back.  Konami still owns the rights to Metal Gear and they only make pachinko machines and bad decisions now.

A thought just came to me.

Let's assume this is Smash 5.  How would you all feel if this follows a format similar to that of Street Fighter V in terms of how future character seasons and contents are distributed?  Say that we start off with a small roster the size of Melee's cast sans Hidden characters and will have a lengthy lifespan along the way.

Selling a watered down version of a previously released game on a different console with plans to sell back the rest of the game piece by piece as DLC would be the worst decision Nintendo could possibly make.

Besides, Sakurai would never do it.  Back during Smash 4's development he straight-up refused to talk about even the possibility of DLC until the full main game was complete. 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Koop on March 09, 2018, 09:29:28 pm
All of the Nintendo games with DLC are complete games with the DLC created after the main game's development.

Smash games don't have very long development times compared to other games. Smash 4 had a two year development time and 51 characters were in the game at launch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: GTAguy on March 09, 2018, 09:56:32 pm
Oh boy... New console means a Smash Bros game is coming.
Still don't know if this is a new game or not, but i think it's just a port with even more updates.
If the Inklings are in, what other new characters get we to see in this game? I see that Spring Man from Arms is highly requested next to Rex from Xenoblade Chronicles 2. Aside from these chars, i see King K. Rool still keeping asking, but never got a chance to be playable or a assist trophy. If not, then Sakurai needs to tell why he won't include him in the game. (He must be allergic to crocodiles if you ask me)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Jango on March 09, 2018, 10:00:17 pm
Because King K. Rool hasn't been relevant since... that one Donkey Kong game with the bongos, iirc.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: GTAguy on March 09, 2018, 10:13:40 pm
Because King K. Rool hasn't been relevant since... that one Donkey Kong game with the bongos, iirc.

Yeah, but that doesn't prove anything. He's being the most requested character since Brawl.
The tiki masks or those vikings Snomads, which aren't memorable villains than the Kremling'ss or the Koopa's in the Mario series.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Jango on March 09, 2018, 10:25:50 pm
Unless King K. Rool comes back in a big way in a big Nintendo title, he's got no chance at all. We were lucky he got a costume in the last Smash.

Like seriously, probably the only other character in the Donkey Kong franchise that has a chance of getting in Smash is Dixie Kong since she was in Tropical Freeze, but even THAT is a pretty big stretch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: NamelessOnlinePlayer on March 09, 2018, 10:35:20 pm
A thought just came to me.

Let's assume this is Smash 5.  How would you all feel if this follows a format similar to that of Street Fighter V in terms of how future character seasons and contents are distributed?  Say that we start off with a small roster the size of Melee's cast sans Hidden characters and will have a lengthy lifespan along the way.

If most of the characters are free, fine by me; otherwise, no.
If this game will have paid-DLC characters, Sakurai and HAL should just stick to newcomers and guest characters like NRS did with Injustice 2.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 09, 2018, 11:31:09 pm
Unless King K. Rool comes back in a big way in a big Nintendo title, he's got no chance at all. We were lucky he got a costume in the last Smash.

Like seriously, probably the only other character in the Donkey Kong franchise that has a chance of getting in Smash is Dixie Kong since she was in Tropical Freeze, but even THAT is a pretty big stretch.
It's been a while since I've played a Donkey Kong game, but do any of the newer ones past DK64 have villains nearly as memorable or at least used in more than one game?  The only one I've heard of is this frozen kingdom Viking guy from Tropical Freeze.

I'd take a more liked character who's been out of the game for a while over a newer less impressive one, personally.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on March 09, 2018, 11:43:31 pm
It's been 19 years since K. Rool was the big bad in a main line DK game back in Donkey Kong 64, and 11 years since he was the villain in a spin-off (Jungle Climber).  Since then he's been relegated to cameos and oblique references at best.

Honestly I'd say Dixie Kong would have priority over him - if DK gets any more characters in the first place, that is.  She's been around nearly as long as he K. Rool has, and remained a lot more popular and relevant.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 09, 2018, 11:56:11 pm
Oh no, I agree, I should clarify.  I do see Dixie being a higher priority if DK gets another character into the roster.  I'm just saying from the villain's standpoint, has anyone really mattered or stood out in those 19-11 years since?  Because if no one really cares about them, and there's enough fan feedback asking for a DK villain to show...I don't see it really mattering how long ago it was since he last showed up, he's the one people are asking for and it would gather positive attention to them.

I mean, it is supposed to be an all-star showdown, not a showcase for what's up and coming or at least relatively new, after all.  Likely one of the contributing factors why so many people were not happy with Corrin last game, regardless of the new playstyle.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on March 10, 2018, 12:29:58 am
I think people were unhappy with Corrin because that pushed the Fire Emblem character count up to about 12 dozen while series like Star Fox and Metroid continued to get shafted.

And K. Rool is considered to be the de facto main antagonist of the Donkey Kong franchise by merit of being the most recurring.  The baddies in the DKCR games were just random one-time mooks, IIRC.  If the criteria was solely "we have to include a villain from Donkey Kong" then yes, K. Rool would be the best pick, but in the larger scheme of things I don't see any reason to include him now.  Considering the likelihood that this is just an enhanced port, I'd actually rather DK not get any new characters at all so that what few spots are open could go to other under-represented series.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Do not even ask on March 10, 2018, 02:51:46 am
sorry but if there's no New Funky Mode in this game then i'm afraid i'm gonna have to pass on it

also i think this thread is in the wrong subforum my dudes
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 10, 2018, 03:00:31 am
Old joke is old.

So, not that we have much to go off of, but anyone expecting them to retain the guest stars Smash 4 had?  Pac-Man was largely in thanks to the contribution from Bandai Namco, but I couldn't imagine them turning down the opportunity to show up again.  Same with Sega and Sonic. (And I'd hope Tails and Knuckles finally)  But I'm less certain with Capcom and more-so with Square specifically for Cloud.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: GTOAkira on March 10, 2018, 05:10:38 am
https://twitter.com/MissGandaKris/status/972294985834835968
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DX5JITQVAAAmpW3.jpg)
Yoshi-Pit-DK-Peach-Ness-Marth-Mario-Link-Sheik-Pikachu-Samus-Kirby-Zelda-Bowser-Fox-CaptainFalcon-Wario
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on March 10, 2018, 05:33:12 am
it looks like zelda will have the same attire instead of the breath of the wild attire from the way she looks
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 10, 2018, 05:41:10 am
Zelda herself didn't actually do a whole heck of a lot related to combat in Breath of the Wild (Not that Ocarina of Time or Twilight Princess had her do what Smash does with her.  Closest being OoT, just that she stole Link's magic he earned) so as far as she's concerned it's probably easy enough for them to just give her a skin for BotW, or the other way around should BotW be her new default look.

Still wondering what they'll do for Ganondorf should BotW be her default as well though.  Should Twilight Princess Zelda remain the default, though, at least he then could do the same.  Though that would be rather awkward, unless BotW Link is indeed a separate character from regular Link.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DarkWolf13 on March 10, 2018, 06:06:43 am
Just bring Wolf back and it's all good for me. That's all who I wish for to return. If not... I don't give a damn cuz the announcement of this had sold me completely I decided to get a Switch later in the year.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Moon Girard on March 10, 2018, 07:44:22 am
The original twitter that image came from said those are his guesses not the actual confirmed characters there hence Zelda's silhouette not really matching the actual silhouette in that spot. I also don't think there is anyway Link would go to the BoTW design while Zelda doesn't Shiek, Wolf and Roy shows Sakurai has no problem with making changes to designs to keep series characters looking consistent to each other.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on March 10, 2018, 02:44:22 pm
Snake's never coming back.  Konami still owns the rights to Metal Gear and they only make pachinko machines and bad decisions now.

Konami fired 1 very expensive dude to save the company, which includes reviving Bomberman with 2 new games, making Yugioh playable again, doing shit with Castlevania and Zone of the Enders. These are actually good decisions viewed from a business standpoint.
But unpopular opinion, I guess.

It's not farfetched to see Snake in Smash again, although Simon Belmont would have been the better choice.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on March 10, 2018, 03:30:32 pm
Snake's never coming back.  Konami still owns the rights to Metal Gear and they only make pachinko machines and bad decisions now.

Konami fired 1 very expensive dude to save the company, which includes reviving Bomberman with 2 new games, making Yugioh playable again, doing shit with Castlevania and Zone of the Enders. These are actually good decisions viewed from a business standpoint.
But unpopular opinion, I guess.

It's not farfetched to see Snake in Smash again, although Simon Belmont would have been the better choice.

HAHAHAHA try playing it now, also what about richter belmont  he'd be cool
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: ShinSamus on March 10, 2018, 04:38:46 pm
I'm really looking forward to this game.  :heart:

Honestly...I loved the last game so much, I don't mind at all if it is an upgraded WiiU+3DS version with new characters and modes added. It's by far the most balanced Smash game, and in my opinion the most fun entry in the series.

So long as it has a great online mode, I'll be happy.
(Also, maybe a stage creator similar to Mario Maker would be AMAZING)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: 1Ultima on March 10, 2018, 07:17:37 pm
It would be interesting to see if Cloud does return. Especially since S.E seems to be pushing Noctis a lot recently. Although the 7 remake is being worked on.

it'll also be interesting to see how Ganondorf is in this game. Will they add inspiration from BOTW and Hyrule Warriors? Although anything's better then being a Falcon clone i guess.

Another Xenoblade rep would be really cool. Question is from X or 2?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on March 10, 2018, 09:20:34 pm
HAHAHAHA try playing it now, also what about richter belmont  he'd be cool

Been playing since hayday, haven't stopped since.
But this topic isn't about Yugioh or Konami, so let's not go that way :)

And yeah, Richter would probably be the better choice if you would choose a Castlevania character.

Ganondorf als a Falcon clone has always bothered me, such iconic character wasted as a asset swap.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Xhominid on March 10, 2018, 10:54:03 pm
It would be interesting to see if Cloud does return. Especially since S.E seems to be pushing Noctis a lot recently. Although the 7 remake is being worked on.

it'll also be interesting to see how Ganondorf is in this game. Will they add inspiration from BOTW and Hyrule Warriors? Although anything's better then being a Falcon clone i guess.

Another Xenoblade rep would be really cool. Question is from X or 2?

I can see it being Rex rather than anyone else due to him having the most obvious potential like Shulk.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 11, 2018, 04:40:09 am
Meh...

...Is Bomberman still a pipe dream or not? Yeah, Konami. But R WAS a Switch launcher... Doubting it though. Even then, best case scenario, they'll base him off that and even worse, not give him + explosions...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on March 13, 2018, 12:58:42 pm
Snake's never coming back.  Konami still owns the rights to Metal Gear and they only make pachinko machines and bad decisions now.
Super Bomberman R was a good decision, though.
Fight me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: vgma2 on March 15, 2018, 05:18:27 am
If we get a Konami rep, I'd imagine we'd likely see Bomberman over Snake again.
That said, I woudn't mind seeing Snake again.  I actually liked his kit in Brawl.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 15, 2018, 06:06:53 am
I would imagine adding Snake would do nothing but help Konami's public image, which they desperately need.  They have the basic groundwork for the character already built thanks to Brawl, just update it, maybe throw some alternative skins like for MGSV and actual guns thanks to Bayonetta more or less throwing that "no guns" rule out the window.  Nothing that we know of that prevents them from having more than one rep, there's room for both Snake and Bomberman at this table.

Just like there's room for both Pac-Man and Klonoa.  Right, Bandai Namco?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Cazaki on March 15, 2018, 06:35:47 am
Snake's never coming back.  Konami still owns the rights to Metal Gear and they only make pachinko machines and bad decisions now.

Konami fired 1 very expensive dude to save the company, which includes reviving Bomberman with 2 new games, making Yugioh playable again, doing shit with Castlevania and Zone of the Enders. These are actually good decisions viewed from a business standpoint.
But unpopular opinion, I guess.

It's not farfetched to see Snake in Smash again, although Simon Belmont would have been the better choice.

Kojima's known as the lifeblood of the company, with the cancelled/rushed games and the release of games like Metal Gear Survive along with the fact that the future of the company being flat out uncertain I don't know if I can agree with all of this being good decisions. Now if it needed to be done in order to save the company then I can see what you mean but I haven't read anywhere that that's indeed the case.

Pretty sure we won't see Snake again, and I'm pretty much okay with not having guest characters at this point because I didn't particularly enjoy them last time around. Except for Sonic he's a natural fit into the game IMO
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 15, 2018, 06:42:55 am
I dunno, so long as they pertain to really large video games, I'm personally fairly open to more crossovers.  It's mainly a Nintendo all-star game, but the more the merrier.  But then I'm the weird one who's perfectly fine with them having Banjo-Kazooie over so long as it includes Master Chief. (I mean come on, you'll have playable Haloid.  How is that not cool?  Even if it is regulated to being 343's Chief with that scummy looking redesign... (https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/578/484/large/kyle-hefley-chief-page-01.jpg?1448913192))

Though on the flip side, I'd rather they focus more on their first party characters that need to show before said guests.  Of all these possibilities from popular ports, I'd rather Waluigi as a joke character before Solaire or Dovahkiin or Crash Bandicoot as a serious contender.

Pertaining to the guest characters we already have though, it's been two games and I'd love for Sonic to be joined by Tails and Knuckles this time around.  If they're feeling generous Sonic can get Shadow and Silver skins, but just the main trio being in the game is good enough for me.  It was fine just being Sonic in Brawl, but I was genuinely surprised they skipped the opportunity for the other two in Smash 4, instead just dropping off some Mii costumes for them.  Surely it would have been time better spent than messing around with Lucina and Dark Pit?  Yeah, they required less effort, but the payoff would have been better
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Speedpreacher on March 15, 2018, 07:05:30 am
As long as Sonic is ostensibly a multi-platform character I don't want them to add anymore characters from his franchise but him as anything other than trophies and assists. If they want to add another Sega rep that's fine (and they have, although Bayo's pretty much a Nintendo character at this point), and there are plenty of avenues to take but I cannot in good conscience start wishlisting for Sonic characters to fill up roster spots.

No, not even him.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 15, 2018, 07:18:52 am
Typically that I could agree with, because it would get insane having everyone from a guest appearance from just one series show up.  It's like if now that we have Cloud that Tifa, Aerith, Yuffie and Sephiroth became mandatory.  But I feel this is a particularly special case.  Sonic has a unique relationship with Nintendo and Mario specifically, transitioning from rivalry to having crossover games multiple times now.  It would be one of the few times that it feels more out of place not getting special treatment than just having Sonic and calling it a day.

And don't hide it, we know you were thinking of how well Big the Cat would fit in Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: nick. on March 15, 2018, 09:55:15 am
:( Travis when
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Kirishima on March 15, 2018, 12:06:55 pm
actual guns thanks to Bayonetta more or less throwing that "no guns" rule out the window. 
I don't think you get the difference between fantasy guns and actual real-life guns.  For starters, her guns don't even cause flinching.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 15, 2018, 12:37:31 pm
...That wasn't the point.  Guns were banned from Smash so long as they don't resemble actual guns, not for acting like real guns.  Everyone that had some variant of one had a very sci-fi fake looking gun, like Samus and Fox.  Bayonetta broke this rule.  It would not be out of the question for Snake to then get a pass as well, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not concerned as to how it works mechanically in the game.  It can just add damage without flinching like Fox, it can be a projectile down smash, I don't care.  I was just noting how they can make it look less fake now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 15, 2018, 12:42:13 pm
...Is there going to be a Forces stage instead of Windy Hill? And Cap Kingdom? An Arms stage at the very least would be neat that could replace Boxing Ring but doubt it...

Windy Hill was ugly garbage, but better than Brawl Green Hill and MKU was too much.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: NamelessOnlinePlayer on March 16, 2018, 11:26:21 pm
Found this on ResetERA (GAF's replacement) and thought it'd fun to speculate about it:
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/351/181/9dd.png)
Basically, Ridley might become a playable character this time around if what those mods at ERA are saying is true.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 17, 2018, 01:32:31 am
Presuming for a minute that there's any weight to that, if by some miracle Samus is updated to reflect her most recent attire like Link and possibly Mario if that is Cappy, would that make this Proteus Ridley (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXHoEWLl7tA) or just plain old Ridley?  I'd imagine it would be more beneficial for it to be plain Ridley, but it's always weird when only select characters are up to date with changes.  Also then have to pick between which Ridley, which I would hope not be Other M's Ridley.  Besides Other M being the cesspool it is, that's also not...actually Ridley.  I mean, it is, but it's not, it's a cloned baby and it just looks different than normal and they just wanted to make him look more scary for the new game.

I actually think should he be in, and not Proteus, they would probably use a smaller updated version of Brawl's (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/metroid/images/1/12/RidleySSBB.jpg) over the Other M version in Smash 4.  Just to help alleviate any confusion to more casual fans that would see screenshots of a big Ridley from Smash 4, and want to know how to play Giga Ridley in Smash 5.

...Barring his final smash isn't turning big, that is.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on March 17, 2018, 02:52:24 am
Ah, there we go.  It's not a true Smash game without a cavalcade of bullshit fake leaks.  So many uncles who work at Nintendo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on March 17, 2018, 03:02:28 am
oh boy here we go

wouldn't it take too much space

how much space is ridley again?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 18, 2018, 02:11:00 pm
Meh, with regards to the fake news and leaks roaming about, I'll wait until something pop up on official channels (like the Nintendo YouTube channel) before I get excited. It is always like this during the lead up to the official release with every Smash game, fake news everywhere.

Why does it always happen with the Smash series and not with other (fighting) video game series? No one give out fake news with SNK or Soul Calibur on this kind of scale?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on March 18, 2018, 04:41:52 pm
Well, it happened to Capcom with MVC3, MVCI and SFV.
It's just that Smash has a broader audience, mostly because it's more of a casual party game.
Just to be honest, fighting games never had that much going on over here after the 90s fad.
I believe it's still a huge thing in Asia and America, not sure about the rest here in world.

Kojima's ........

But this topic isn't about Yugioh or Konami, so let's not go that way :)

I understand Konami being famous and of course a lot are still sad things happened between them and their beloved Kojima.
But please, if you have to, open a topic for it, tag me, and I'll gladly discuss it with you over there.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 20, 2018, 10:49:01 pm
https://twitter.com/FUNimation/status/973274075580821510

Funimation teasing Nintendo about possibly adding Goku to Smash.  What could possibly be taken out of control by this tweet?

...Do it, Nintendo.  Just do it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 21, 2018, 03:20:47 am
Too bad Funimation missed the whole "they have to be from a video game" standard that isn't a little known fact.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: no1wammy on March 21, 2018, 03:55:28 am
I'm sorry guys, but I have to vent. Because I don't get it.

WHY DOES EVERYONE WANT GOKU FROM DRAGON BALL TO BE ON SUPER SMASH BROS.!?

What would be the significance of Goku? First anime/manga character to appear on Smash, is that it? What could Goku bring not just to Smash, but to the entire video game community? I'm trying to wrap my head around this, and I just can't figure it out. It seems that Nintendo has been searching specifically for video game characters who've made a lasting imprint on their platform and/or video game history:

Pac Man: First non-Pong, non-space shooter game, most iconic and successful, birth of booms for both Atari, individually and all of video games, globally
Sonic: Representative of Nintendo's former rival Sega
Solid Snake: Creator Hideo Kojima and Smash producer Masahiro Sakarai are personal friends, became first 3rd party character in Smash game
Megaman: Megaman 2 was best seller for Nintendo, also started out in Nintendo consoles
Ryu: Representative of the fighting game boom
Cloud: Representative of most successful of Final Fantasy games (VII), even though he was not in Nintendo (Playstation)
Bayonetta: Winner of Smash Bros. poll
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 21, 2018, 04:34:35 am
Well, Dragon Ball arguably has the most tie in video games of any property. Ever. Even with Star Wars in mind. That alone makes me want him more than those last two...

...But still not much. Also, it's been proven fairly recently that Mario is more iconic than Pac-Man. Still doesn't explain Dr. not being an just alt fully though. I'd even have to throw in that characters like Crash and Bomberman are more known/greater to gaming/further lasting than Bayo is globally. FE characters aren't known globally, Mother wasn't before Smash, Falcon wasn't known as anything other than a one-off compared to his car, Ice Climbers weren't but I don't even consider them characters/franchise/memorable at all personally...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: vgma2 on March 21, 2018, 05:53:48 am
I'm sorry guys, but I have to vent. Because I don't get it.

WHY DOES EVERYONE WANT GOKU FROM DRAGON BALL TO BE ON SUPER SMASH BROS.!?
For the memes.  That's literally it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Kirishima on March 21, 2018, 05:59:02 am
WHY DOES EVERYONE WANT GOKU FROM DRAGON BALL TO BE ON SUPER SMASH BROS.!?
It's a meme at this point.  Best follow tradition.

He makes more sense than Dark Pit.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: NamelessOnlinePlayer on March 21, 2018, 06:15:53 am
I'm sorry guys, but I have to vent. Because I don't get it.

WHY DOES EVERYONE WANT GOKU FROM DRAGON BALL TO BE ON SUPER SMASH BROS.!?

I can think of some possible reasons:
1.- Ever since Brawl brought the concept of third party characters into reality, people just blew it out of the water and started to think the likes of Goku were possible.
2.- With many "rules" (they're mostly fan-made, only a few really have any sort of validity) being broken thanks to Sm4sh, some people think there's only a way to out-top the likes of Ryu ("no more than one 3rd party company rep") and Cloud ("character must be important to Nintendo") and that's bringing Goku in.
3.- Memes and shitposting that never succeeds at making me laugh.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Project.13 on March 21, 2018, 06:19:15 am
Personally, I'd much prefer Crash for Smash than Goku, but Smash fan-games that have Goku playable actually have me interested in how he would play. He's always been fun to me in the fan games he's been in and it gets me wondering and curious about how Nintendo would handle actually having Goku in it.

Edit: I'd also be pretty hype over seeing Sora from Kingdom Hearts in Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 21, 2018, 06:47:10 am
More or less what other people have summarized, but it's pretty simple.  Smash has been a display of big important fictional figures fighting.  Until Brawl, it remained confined to Nintendo only.  Then Brawl started loosening the rules with Snake and Sonic, plus not-specifically characters from video games but related to them, thanks to R.O.B..  Then 4 gave even less restrictive guidelines than before, with multiple reps for Capcom, "no guns allowed" Bayonetta showing up and so on.

So basically, yeah, you're on the money.  First manga/anime character to show up in Smash.  Minus the small legion of anime swordfighters already dominating the game, anyways.  Dragon Ball's had an extensive history with Nintendo, and shouldn't need to be argued as to how popular the series and the character of Goku specifically is.

Would there be better choices that fit Smash specifically beforehand?  Sure.  Would Goku work, should they be so inclined?  I'd like to think so.  Granted, it would be as silly as if Sony's PlayStation All-Stars went and added Tony Hawk, but still.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: no1wammy on March 21, 2018, 06:55:59 am
Edit: I'd also be pretty hype over seeing Sora from Kingdom Hearts in Smash.

Sora is an interesting case. I feel the same way with him like I do Goku...

But there's a twist. Many Disney games have been on Nintendo, with the early titles being mostly produced by Capcom, a current Smash rep. Sora being first introduced in Kingdom Hearts technically makes him a Disney character, not a Final Fantasy character. Disney's significance to Nintendo may give Sora a leg up in a future appearance. Though I do worry about him appearing on Smash, for Sora could be a symbol of Smash jumping the shark.

So yeah, Sora could end up being a double-edged sword.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 21, 2018, 07:08:39 am
I'm confused.  How do you feel the same way about Sora being in as if Goku was in, while the twist is how bad it would be for Smash's consistency.  Did you want Goku in, then?

Sora would require more hoops to jump through thanks to the Disney ties, but it's not outside the realm of possibility as I see it.  There was already the first step taken of including Sora in Final Fantasy titles like World of Final Fantasy.  Disney can be negotiated with, and while FF mixing with Disney was the whole concept behind Kingdom Hearts, I'd venture it was more risqué of Disiney to have Sora go outside KH messing with uncensored Final Fantasy compared to if they want Sora in the more family friendly Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: PBRTODD101 on March 21, 2018, 07:32:15 am
I'm sorry guys, but I have to vent. Because I don't get it.

WHY DOES EVERYONE WANT GOKU FROM DRAGON BALL TO BE ON SUPER SMASH BROS?
He is arguably THE most iconic manga/anime character worldwide. Doesn't matter if he's not from a video game, and from a gameplay perspective, his moveset and normals would be pretty insane (fuck me if I know how they would go about impleting his numerous transformations though).

I'd say that's reason enough.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: no1wammy on March 21, 2018, 07:35:23 am
I'm confused.  How do you feel the same way about Sora being in as if Goku was in, while the twist is how bad it would be for Smash's consistency.  Did you want Goku in, then?

I personally don't want Goku in. All it will do is provide a path to adding anime characters that have little or no connection to Nintendo or the video game industry. Same with Sora: because he's Disney, it might infuriate a few companies. Say for example Nickelodeon wants to get involved, because Nickelodeon and Disney are rivals. I honestly don't recall a single video game starring a Nickelodeon character that has made an important impact for Nintendo or the video game industry. Who in Nickelodeon would they put in Smash to rival Sora? During the Smash poll contest, I saw a few candidates that made me feel uncomfortable of where the game could be heading. One time, I saw somebody suggest Dreamworks Shrek as a guest - I said to myself, really?

This was what I meant with Sora being a double-edged sword.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 21, 2018, 10:50:10 am
Battle for Bikini Bottom. Still regarded as one of the best tie in games ever. If you mean more important then that, then there really is none.

...The biggest reason Sora would be bad/worse than Goku is because Nickeleodeon or "rival" characters might join? How would having SpongeBob vs. Ryu in a company made game be bad? It would attract an extremely wide array of players. Are you fearing it would become Punch Time Explosion 2? Shrek was just as much of a meme choice as Goku and we all know it. Sora is most likely a serious suggestion from most.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on March 21, 2018, 11:24:01 pm
. It seems that Nintendo has been searching specifically for video game characters who've made a lasting imprint on their platform and/or video game history:

Pac Man: First non-Pong, non-space shooter game, most iconic and successful, birth of booms for both Atari, individually and all of video games, globally
Solid Snake: Creator Hideo Kojima and Smash producer Masahiro Sakarai are personal friends, became first 3rd party character in Smash game


Pac-man was one of the first, if not fhe first of videogame mascot.
That's probably one of the main reasons.

Personally I thought Snake was a really weird inclusion, because he didn't really fit in like Sonic did.
You know, most of cast being colorful fantasy or cartoon orientated characters.

Snake would totally fit into another crossover mentioned here though, Playstation Allstars.
Then, for some reason he didn't, so we got Raiden instead?
SquareEnix also declined to include Cloud, because they didn't want him in a thirdparty game.
But then he's in Smash4. It's just a rant though.

And about Funimation tweeting Nintendo, do they even have any saying in this?
Wouldn't that be the role for Shueisha, Bandai Namco, Toei or Toriyama himself?
Don't they just have the dubbing and publishing rights for the anime in the US?

Anyways, I wouldn't mind them including Goku, some of my friends would go insane too.
But it really seem like an odd inclusion for a (Nintendo)  videogame icons game.
Than we're talking Disney.
If I am not mistaken, Nintendo had some history of publishing Disney characters that goes way back in the days from before they even did videogames. So their business should be even more relevant than some videogame companies.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Walruslui on March 21, 2018, 11:36:45 pm
dudes youre all yelling about a game that hasn't even revealed whether or not its even a port or not yet.

i don't think there is any point in discussing why or why not certain characters should be in or not because frankly at this point nintendo can do whatever the fuck they want with any franchise.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 22, 2018, 12:03:45 am
Even Mega Man and Sonic? And Street Fighter? I wouldn't mind if they took Pac-Man over though... Wishful dreaming...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 22, 2018, 12:06:02 am
But that's what's fun about the wait.  Coming up with inane ideas and watching them burn.

Yes, no one should be skyrocketing their hopes for the unlikely.  But this little back and forth is just all in good fun.

Now add Goku so I can start petitioning for why they haven't added Usagi yet.  Then we can work on Darth Vader with his scorpion transformation.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 22, 2018, 12:31:56 am
Wait, who's Usagi. Actually... Which one?

I don't really see what's so inane about Bomberman compared to Goku, but that's just me. Yes, Konami. But...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on March 22, 2018, 12:44:05 am
Wait, who's Usagi. Actually... Which one?

I don't really see what's so inane about Bomberman compared to Goku, but that's just me. Yes, Konami. But...

i think he means usagi from one piece?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 22, 2018, 12:46:43 am
Sailor Moon.  Popular anime joke, only got Japanese releases with their games so it'd be like Marth and Roy, never mind it.  Dumb low-effort joke.

I was more referring to the clearly bizarre choices like Goku and the memes others brought up.  Bomberman is not impossible and would fit fine.  Likewise, don't expect anything drastic until we have more concrete news on the game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 22, 2018, 01:25:47 pm
I agree with everyone that Goku for Smash is mostly a meme at this point. It has been so overdone at this point that I think we are beating a dead horse at this point.

I personally do not care for Goku regardless he gets in or not. He gets in? So what? I use Pikachu almost exclusively in the series (with the occasional Mii-brawler, Wii-Fit Trainer, and Charizard for the latest in the series). Goku will be just another punching bag for me to beat up, like what he is in my MUGEN program. He does not get in? No big loss for me at all.

I think that there are other characters far more obscure that deserves the spot more than Goku (and Cloud from FF7). How about some character from Namco-Bandai or even SNK. Those could use some attention and I actually might use a character from SNK.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 22, 2018, 01:44:02 pm
I gotta be real towards that. "Good, I guess." At least the middle portion... After Pac-Man last game, I don't think I could trust another Namco character. Like ever. SNK, though...? Even Konami or another Capcom character seem more likely.

We do realize Miku supposedly won the ballot in Japan, right? Things could have been much... Different. And more melodic, not even counting the Choir Boys rumor. Now that would be a mess.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 22, 2018, 03:04:10 pm
I guess my ultimate point is that opening the floodgates to characters not heavly related to Nintendo was a big mistake. Sure, I might have cheered to the fact that Snake and the rest of the third party characters are in (except for Cloud), but there is a line that shall not be crossed. Goku getting in will be dancing across the line and paving the way to even stupider things. If we took the time to include everyone that people want, then what's the difference between Smash and a very "trendy" MUGEN?

I threw in Namco-Bandai because they are cooperating on a good number of Nintendo games. I threw in SNK partially to illustrate how bad this inclusion fest can become if we use even the most bare of reasons to justify inclusion...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 22, 2018, 03:30:23 pm
Well, Mugen would still have KFM. We know how much he's critical. And the aforementioned OCs. Nintendo could never replace or insert those, Nintendo's mortal like the rest of us.

Yeah, Cloud and Bayo were all Snake's fault. There's nothing to worry about, Goku won't get in. I can at least be sure of that in this bizarre period of gaming. That, and no indies either. Smash 4's reign of pure unadulterated nonsense is thankfully over.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on March 22, 2018, 06:24:48 pm
Well, if I am not mistaken, Bandai Namco developed Smash 4 in cooperation with Nintendo.
So a mascot from their IPs might have been part of the deal.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Cyborg Sun on March 22, 2018, 06:31:59 pm
Nintendo has just announced that they are holding a Smash Bros. Invitational at E3 this year. This may mean there will be a Smash trailer before E3, but only time will tell.
https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/976790642314522624
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: The Street Fighter on March 23, 2018, 04:31:14 am
Since pre-Brawl, I will still support my most wanted newcomer. King K. Rool. That's all I need for the new game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on March 23, 2018, 01:13:21 pm
Nintendo has just announced that they are holding a Smash Bros. Invitational at E3 this year. This may mean there will be a Smash trailer before E3, but only time will tell.
https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/976790642314522624

Ooh, an invitational.

Too bad I can't attend. In fact, who can?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Koop on March 23, 2018, 02:30:28 pm
People selected by Nintendo so it will be some fgc players and some youtube personalities.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on March 23, 2018, 02:36:54 pm
Great, now they'll NEVER shut up that Nintendo themselves talked to them... The YT ones at least.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Walruslui on March 23, 2018, 10:47:22 pm
"oh geez, the company who makes all my videogames i love wants me to attend their event!"

how is that a bad thing. if anything its a good move for Nintendo since theyre known to be kind of a dick to YT'ers
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Darkflare on March 24, 2018, 04:25:36 pm
Right, I'm a believer of "Goku will never be in Smash"

In fact, I believe in "If your origins aren't from a video game, your chances of being in Smash are absolute zero."
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Kirishima on March 24, 2018, 04:32:10 pm
People selected by Nintendo so it will be some fgc players and some youtube personalities.
Little did they know, Reggie's secretly getting massive prep time in case of facing the winner of the invitational.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on March 24, 2018, 05:12:33 pm
*is sitting in the corner, hoping for Ice Climbers to return as well as Roy from FE not getting scrapped*
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on March 24, 2018, 05:19:06 pm
There is little reason for them not to reintroduce Ice Climbers nor remove Roy unless this turns out to be a new game of such extreme magnitude that they'd have to rework every character enough that they lacked the time to work on Smash 4's DLC.  Which while I'm in the camp it's a new game, I don't think it's going to be at the expense of previous characters.  Except the low effort clones like Dark Pit and Lucina, they can pretty much all go and get merged with their original characters as a skin.  I would like Dr. Mario to remain, though, keeping the original Mario moveset, while new Mario gets to mess around with Cappy and/or F.L.U.D.D., and Roy's got enough different going on for him that he should be fine.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Cyborg Sun on May 09, 2018, 05:33:44 pm
Super Smash Bros. Invitational 2018 players revealed. I barely know who a quarter of these people are (After all, I'm just casual trash), but I'm glad we'll see guys who actually know what they're doing for a first showing of the game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on May 14, 2018, 10:27:36 am
Also:

Namco Bandai is probably returning as Co-Developers again, meaning that playable Pac-Man would be easily a guarantee if this really turns out to be true.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: StevenB on May 14, 2018, 11:54:51 am
I hope that aside from Pac-Man they are also able to realise a Tekken character this time around (since Sega and Capcom had two reps as well; Sonic/Bayonetta and Mega Man/Ryu). I read in an interview that they considered Heihachi but couldn't get the complicated Tekken movesets to work in Smash so they dropped him. I'd be very interested to see if they could pull off Heihachi this time.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Darkflare on May 14, 2018, 04:00:01 pm
They could look over at his appearances in PSASBR and SFxT.

Although, how they would treat Just frames is another matter.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on May 14, 2018, 06:28:27 pm
It'll be a sad and incredibly desperate day when Nintendo has to look at Sony for anything other than Crash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on May 14, 2018, 06:51:00 pm
Ignoring the clear buddy duo act of Spyro being along with Crash?

I don't really mind one way or another if Bandai Namco is working on the new game, seeing Smash was fine with or without them, but building rumors upon rumors, this just makes it harder to tell at this point if it's just revamping the last game or an entirely rebuilt game.  The former favors more previous characters getting ported over, the later suggests a better built game taking criticism in from the start.

I'm kinda leaning to wanting it to be a whole new thing, but I won't be upset if it's Smash 4.5 if it lets us keep Cloud.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on May 23, 2018, 03:02:58 am
Take this for what you will. (https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2018/may/21/rumor-new-leaks-claim-simon-belmont-ridley-and-ice-climbers-are-coming-super-smash-bros-nintendo-switch/)  Vergeben is reporting a new leak from a "verified source," which claims that Ridley and Simon Belmont will be newcomers for Smash 5, and also that Ice Climbers will be coming back.  He's also claiming that it's a full-fledged sequel and not just a WiiU port, and that everyone from Smash 4 is returning, including all 3rd party characters.

On the one hand, this is the same guy who accurately leaked TMNT for Injustice 2 and Groh for Soul Calibur 6, so it's not impossible that this is legit.  On the other hand he's also the same guy responsible for that bullshit MvCI leak that had Apollo Justice and Star-Lord and such, so he could also be full of shit this time too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: RoySquadRocks on May 23, 2018, 03:07:10 am
Not sure if this is true or not, but I'll be glad if my main Pac-Man makes a return again.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on May 23, 2018, 03:15:43 am
Not sure if this is true or not, but I'll be glad when my main Pac-Man makes a return again.

and i'll be glad if greninja returns with an ash-greninja form this time
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on May 23, 2018, 03:46:53 am
I mean, I would play both of those characters, plus it just being an objective good to return Ice Climbers, so I'm down with it.  But I question the thought process to add Simon before re-adding Snake back in.  I mean, he could have just not added that fact that Snake is in as well, but it would seem a highlight to me.  And an outright replacement would be odd, given Snake himself is still more relevant than the Castlevania series, and Simon's not even the last big thing in the spotlight.

I also echo what I said last discussion about Ridley.
Presuming for a minute that there's any weight to that, if by some miracle Samus is updated to reflect her most recent attire like Link and possibly Mario if that is Cappy, would that make this Proteus Ridley (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXHoEWLl7tA) or just plain old Ridley?  I'd imagine it would be more beneficial for it to be plain Ridley, but it's always weird when only select characters are up to date with changes.  Also then have to pick between which Ridley, which I would hope not be Other M's Ridley.  Besides Other M being the cesspool it is, that's also not...actually Ridley.  I mean, it is, but it's not, it's a cloned baby and it just looks different than normal and they just wanted to make him look more scary for the new game.

I actually think should he be in, and not Proteus, they would probably use a smaller updated version of Brawl's (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/metroid/images/1/12/RidleySSBB.jpg) over the Other M version in Smash 4.  Just to help alleviate any confusion to more casual fans that would see screenshots of a big Ridley from Smash 4, and want to know how to play Giga Ridley in Smash 5.

...Barring his final smash isn't turning big, that is.
While there are a number of things many take issue with Other M, rightfully so, one of the things that irks me a lot is the character design changes on Samus and Ridley.  Smash 4 got away with using them as they were technecally still the last relevant source to cite for them, but with Samus Returns, I'd much rather something that wasn't a purple flesh mound with random jutting spikes and flappy beak-lips like something out of Lovecraft.  Or just base him on the original Metroid as much as you can, him being human-sized back then.  Would still look weird, but at least make some sense out of his height.

One other thing about this hypothetical.  If we're to expect all previous characters from 4 to return, for the love of god, give new movesets to Lucina and Dark Pit to really differentiate them.  Now that we've established that they're locked in the game, do something better with them?  Otherwise they simply are just character skins taking up space in the roster.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on May 23, 2018, 04:03:32 am
^ At a guess, I'd speculate Konami would want literally anyone other than Snake in the spotlight at this point, because anything Metal Gear related will just stir up all the backlash they got over Kojima's departure.

And don't be talking mess about my boy Dark Pit.  He's perfect just the way he is.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on May 23, 2018, 04:06:19 am
Ridley should be a red flag that the leak is not true. Sakurai already denied him, and Simon is somewhat of a doubt because his official creator left Konami.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on May 23, 2018, 04:12:07 am
FWIW, Sakurai has also gone on record saying that having Miis or an Animal Crossing character would never be feasible in Smash Bros either.  Dude's allowed to change his mind.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on May 23, 2018, 04:14:15 am
He did? Well, fuck then.

I mean, I can doubt his idea on Ridley changing... Wait, I thought he wasn't the leader of this Smash game?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: NamelessOnlinePlayer on May 23, 2018, 04:45:27 am
On the one hand, this is the same guy who accurately leaked TMNT for Injustice 2 and Groh for Soul Calibur 6, so it's not impossible that this is legit.  On the other hand he's also the same guy responsible for that bullshit MvCI leak that had Apollo Justice and Star-Lord and such, so he could also be full of shit this time too.

In Vergeben's defense, Max corroborated that part as legit. Though he said in a recent video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V91IwEq7JTY) (look at minute 7:00) that Season 2 wasn't a thing anymore. Maybe it's a case of canned content.
And on the topic of Rids, I imagine he might be similar to the Brawl Legacy XP mod version of him with aerial grabs and long-range attacks.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Speedpreacher on May 23, 2018, 05:35:15 am
Simon is somewhat of a doubt because his official creator left Konami.

IGA didn't create Simon Belmont. Although even if he did there'd be no obstacle, as they clearly are not against using the character. (https://www.konami.com/games/castlevania/gos/)

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on May 23, 2018, 05:43:18 am
Oh, right, I totally forgot that was a thing.  I was thinking the Netflix Castlevania anime was the last big project for the series, and that was focused on Trevor and Alucard rather than Simon.  Well, there goes my point, then.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Darkflare on May 23, 2018, 06:38:51 am
Going to call BS just for Ridley. Unless they're making a mode where you can play as the bosses, I absolutely cannot see Ridley as a feasible playable character without destroying his character, something Smash simply does not do.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: GTAguy on May 23, 2018, 11:48:08 am
I can understand for the Ice Climbers. But for Ridley and Simon, not so much.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on May 23, 2018, 03:08:08 pm
Going to call BS just for Ridley. Unless they're making a mode where you can play as the bosses, I absolutely cannot see Ridley as a feasible playable character without destroying his character, something Smash simply does not do.

Samus "High heels" Aran? xD
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on May 23, 2018, 11:53:01 pm
As someone who hates those stupid jet heels (But loves the concept if they just stuck to the actual jet boots she actually has) the Smash 4 version of Zero Suit Samus is hardly compromising her character.  Though I would still like some official canon recognition about her paralyzer apparently turning into a lightsaber/whip, since Smash is the only place that's a thing (And Haloid, now that I think of it, which...did that come first, before Brawl?  Did Smash steal a fan concept?) the character still very much looks like and acts like Samus, if more along the lines of Other M Samus.

Ridley is simply a complicated character to design for Smash without some form of backlash.  I mean, I wouldn't even be against him being as big as he canonically is, with slow attacks but helped by boasting superarmor, if Sakurai focuses more on the "it's just for fun" design of Smash moreso than competitive viability.  Just have tournaments ban him.  But people would be upset with that approach too, because many would want another regular use character rather than a "joke".  Which is totally understandable, but as has been said numerous times, when you shrink him you get a split as to how to make it still feel like a giant space dragon who eats people whole to heal and jostles Samus around in his claws yet still fit in with the rest of the crowd.

Speaking of eating people
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/AZComics/comic372.png)
I'm reminded that he kinda would be the darkest character in Smash, a straight-forward mass-murdering human-eating villain, and I've wondered if that might also sway Sakurai away from putting more effort into trying to make him fit?  It is still a happy fun time party fighting game they're advertising.  Granted, Bayonetta made it in but even censored she's still an odd one out in the roster.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on May 23, 2018, 11:56:47 pm
Fox never had a hexagon light shield until Sakurai couldn't think of anything else for Down-B, I mean.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Kirishima on May 24, 2018, 12:58:07 am
Ridley is gonna have a gigantic hitbox making him combo fodder to the likes of Fox, Meta-Knight, and Pikachu so it makes no difference if he gets in or not.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on May 24, 2018, 01:23:16 am

Ridley is simply a complicated character to design for Smash without some form of backlash.  I mean, I wouldn't even be against him being as big as he canonically is, with slow attacks but helped by boasting superarmor, if Sakurai focuses more on the "it's just for fun" design of Smash moreso than competitive viability.  Just have tournaments ban him.  But people would be upset with that approach too, because many would want another regular use character rather than a "joke".  Which is totally understandable, but as has been said numerous times, when you shrink him you get a split as to how to make it still feel like a giant space dragon who eats people whole to heal and jostles Samus around in his claws yet still fit in with the rest of the crowd.

If Smash was at all concerned about maintaining canon with the original series, we wouldn't have more than half of the characters we do now.  Capt. Falcon never leaves his race car, Ness can't use most of the PK attacks he has in Smash, Wii Fit Trainer/Villager/Mr. Game & Watch never even had anything that could be referred to as an attack.  Most of the movesets for most of the characters are entirely original for Smash.

I think Ridley could be made to work easily.  Make him 1/2 to 3/4 the size he was as a boss in Smash 4 (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LDy6J58dXZY/maxresdefault.jpg) so he's still big, but not too much bigger than everyone else.  Make him a heavyweight powerhouse like Bowser, with strong aerials and a shitty ground game.  Bam.

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I'm reminded that he kinda would be the darkest character in Smash, a straight-forward mass-murdering human-eating villain, and I've wondered if that might also sway Sakurai away from putting more effort into trying to make him fit?  It is still a happy fun time party fighting game they're advertising.

You wanna talk dark characters?  Lucas' backstory makes Ridley look like a kitten.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on May 24, 2018, 01:33:33 am
Now, I never played Mother 3 because I'm not that good at Japanese and I've never arsed to try the fan translation because there's always a new rumor about how it's coming out soon for the Wii/Wii U/Switch, but from my understanding...

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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on May 24, 2018, 02:17:04 am
Spoiler: Mother 3 spoilers (click to see content)

Canon stories don't matter all that much in Smash, but even if they did Ridley killing people wouldn't change much.  Ganondorf is implied to have killed loads of people.  All of the Fire Emblem characters explicitly kill people in their games too.  Fox and Falco have killed dozens of enemy pilots, Wolf probably even more.  Bayonetta's entire franchise is about murdering angels in order to fulfill a deal with Satan.  If Sakurai can work around all that, Ridley's fine.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Duos.act on May 24, 2018, 03:04:14 am
I just wanna pop in and say that Snake was in Brawl.  The entire Metal Gear series is based around themes of war, government surveilance, the devaluing of human life, military states, global conspiracies, nuclear weapons, torture, unethical government practices and various other degrees of global and sociopolitical conflict.  And that's all played completely straight when Kojima isn't breaking the fourth wall and making poop jokes at the expense of his characters.  Hell, Brawl came out right before (and explicitly promoted) arguably the darkest game in the series at the time, where Snake fights against brainwashed female soldiers in creepily sexual gimp suits (at least one of which is a rape victim) and drags himself through a microwave hallway that graphically burns his skin.  There's a lot you could use against Ridley, but I don't think him being a "dark" character is at all substantial.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on May 25, 2018, 12:32:29 pm
Kirby is way worse, swallows and eats anything in it's path and has no remorse for doing so.
Think of the Waddledees.....
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on May 25, 2018, 01:33:39 pm
Are people still talking about Ridley for Smash?

Didn't we all had this conversation years ago?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: 1Ultima on May 25, 2018, 02:01:03 pm
We did.
And we'll continue to have this conversation every time a new Smash game is announced as people know that bringing up Ridley is easy hype money.

Surprised King K.Rool hasn't been brought up yet tbh.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on May 25, 2018, 02:04:05 pm
King K. Rool shows up time to time, but the meme is all about the Ridley.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Alex Sonico on May 25, 2018, 02:54:34 pm
May I remind you people of a fan game called Super smash bros Crusade? Ridley is in it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Darkflare on May 25, 2018, 10:14:30 pm
Fan made Smash games tend to add whatever the eff they want with not much thought including anime characters if they really want to.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: The Street Fighter on May 25, 2018, 11:10:50 pm
Could be legit. Sakurai does like Ridley a lot, trying to be faithful to his incarnations in each installment.
He has had issues with him being playable in the past, but as with Villager, Mii's and Pac-Man, Sakurai could have taken his time to finally make Ridley fit. Remember how surprised Sakurai was when he was told that he was not only going to direct Smash 4, but for two consoles, which is stated was quite a surprise. Now, he knew more of the project himself, and might have used more time to figure out how to improve. Remember how single player was lackluster in Smash 4, and the disaster that was Smash Tour? All result in a rushed project, but trying to make it work.

Because of all of this, Smash for Switch will most likely be more focused work. So, Ridley being in the roster sounds quite legit to me. I'm sure that, "IF" Ridley will join the roster, then E3 is the BEST time to announce it, as Nintendo will win E3 by default, and the internet will blow up.

Belmont is not much of a stretch, really. Snake and the whole Konami vs Kojima makes sense that Belmont would make it. Remember that Sakurai stated that Castlevania and The Legend of Zelda II were the two games that changed his view of video games. So, if Sakurai likes Castlevania, why would Simon be much of a stretch?

Also, the only reason Ice Climbers didn't make the cut was because of hardware limitations. They are Smash characters, legacy, cult classic, and fans love them. Of course they are coming back, easy call.

So, do I believe this? I'm neutral. Do I think it's possible? Yes, very much so. Just a couple weeks left, and if Rids finally becomes part of the game, may King K. Rool & Waluigi also get their time to shine too. Just because, why not? Give me more reasons to actually purchase a Switch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on May 25, 2018, 11:37:14 pm
Waluigi is nothing more than a meme choice, that's the thing. Even Goku has more solidity than him, due to his history and anime icon status. Waluigi doesn't have any oomph, any character, any real anything in any Mario game backing him like... Even Rosalina? Rosalina at least had a story. All Waluigi has is a random Mario Kart stage. If Sakurai were smart, he'd make a Waluigi Pinball stage to cash in on the meme.

Ice Climbers are a legacy in what? Smash? Certainly not their original and only game. Balloon Fight is the cult classic, and we already got a trash stage off of it.

Sakurai can like Castlevania as much as he wants, it means nothing if Konami won't reply or deny.

Cloud and Bayonetta wrecked the meta enough. Ridley would be the giant baby that would destroy the womb that is Smash, I guess.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Duos.act on May 25, 2018, 11:56:47 pm
I agree, it seems unnecessary to include characters that have no preexisting legacy of their own.  It's not Smash's job to make icons out of obscure characters.

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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on May 26, 2018, 12:26:24 am
Falcon got the anime. Where do you think the Falcon Punch came from? The same place Reflector did?

Surprised you didn't say Game and Watch. He's... A gray area though. Not really a true character before Melee, but not complete BS either...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Darkflare on May 26, 2018, 12:34:19 am
Falcon got the anime. Where do you think the Falcon Punch came from? The same place Reflector did?
Actually yes.

The original Smash Bros came before the F-Zero anime.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on May 26, 2018, 12:49:01 am
Falcon got the anime. Where do you think the Falcon Punch came from? The same place Reflector did?

Super Smash Bros. original Japanese release date:  January 21, 1999.

F-Zero: GP Legend anime original premiere date:  October 7, 2003.

Swing and a miss.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Duos.act on May 26, 2018, 02:04:35 am
Where do you think the Falcon Punch came from?

Sakurai's ass.

Either way my point stands.  Smash Bros is not just there to give you your favorites, it's also there for Nintendo to promote less famous characters.  I used Falcon as an example because he was a literal nobody before Smash 64.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: The Street Fighter on May 26, 2018, 10:50:00 am
Soon you will all bow down to Doshin the Giant.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on May 26, 2018, 02:04:44 pm
Either way my point stands.  Smash Bros is not just there to give you your favorites, it's also there for Nintendo to promote less famous characters.  I used Falcon as an example because he was a literal nobody before Smash 64.

Fire Emblem became a massive hit in the west because of Smash, so yeah good point.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Duos.act on May 26, 2018, 06:47:25 pm
I would say F-Zero owes no small amount of its popularity to Captain Falcon's presence in Smash Bros.  Pretty much his entire persona came from the way he's portrayed in those games.  You could easily make the case that the story mode for GX and pretty much the entire anime would not be the way that they are if not for Smash turning him into a toku hero back when his only traits were being a bounty hunter that also races.  Kid Icarus is the same way, Pit had literally zero personality until Brawl brought him in as a goofball kid hero and then we got Uprising out of that.  Smash Bros pretty much gives these characters a chance to get a new lease on life.  And even so, like it or not, these guys are a part of Nintendo's history.  They may not be doing Mario or Pokemon sales numbers, but they're irreplacable nonetheless.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on May 26, 2018, 07:12:04 pm
F0X would have still done very well with or without Smash 64. Smash most likely helped shed more light on GX and the original, but X was considered yet another 64 classic.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Duos.act on May 26, 2018, 09:04:42 pm
X predates Smash 64 by a year.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Alex Sonico on May 27, 2018, 01:33:04 am
Where do you think the Falcon Punch came from?

Sakurai's ass.

Either way my point stands.  Smash Bros is not just there to give you your favorites, it's also there for Nintendo to promote less famous characters.  I used Falcon as an example because he was a literal nobody before Smash 64.

The same can be said for Ness. Earthbound wouldnt be a cult classic if he wasn’t included in 64 or Melee.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Speedpreacher on May 27, 2018, 01:49:41 am
That's not what cult classic means

If you want to argue there'd be no Mother 3 without it you'd probably be right
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Japanese Jesus on May 27, 2018, 04:36:23 pm
Waluigi is nothing more than a meme choice, that's the thing. Even Goku has more solidity than him, due to his history and anime icon status. Waluigi doesn't have any oomph, any character, any real anything in any Mario game backing him like... Even Rosalina? Rosalina at least had a story. All Waluigi has is a random Mario Kart stage. If Sakurai were smart, he'd make a Waluigi Pinball stage to cash in on the meme.

Ice Climbers are a legacy in what? Smash? Certainly not their original and only game. Balloon Fight is the cult classic, and we already got a trash stage off of it.

Sakurai can like Castlevania as much as he wants, it means nothing if Konami won't reply or deny.

Cloud and Bayonetta wrecked the meta enough. Ridley would be the giant baby that would destroy the womb that is Smash, I guess.

It's the fifth game in the series, dude. I think it's time to start adding obscure and minor characters such as Waluigi and whomever, because who else is there left?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on May 28, 2018, 10:49:54 am
Waluigi is nothing more than a meme choice, that's the thing. Even Goku has more solidity than him, due to his history and anime icon status. Waluigi doesn't have any oomph, any character, any real anything in any Mario game backing him like... Even Rosalina? Rosalina at least had a story. All Waluigi has is a random Mario Kart stage. If Sakurai were smart, he'd make a Waluigi Pinball stage to cash in on the meme.

Ice Climbers are a legacy in what? Smash? Certainly not their original and only game. Balloon Fight is the cult classic, and we already got a trash stage off of it.

Sakurai can like Castlevania as much as he wants, it means nothing if Konami won't reply or deny.

Cloud and Bayonetta wrecked the meta enough. Ridley would be the giant baby that would destroy the womb that is Smash, I guess.

It's the fifth game in the series, dude. I think it's time to start adding obscure and minor characters such as Waluigi and whomever, because who else is there left?

Pink Gold Peach
*runs*
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on May 28, 2018, 12:59:59 pm
Let's add another swordsman and have those already complaining, complain even more! :D
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on May 28, 2018, 06:36:46 pm
Let's add another swordsman and have those already complaining, complain even more! :D

no lets add another bayonetta character that no one wanted
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: vgma2 on May 28, 2018, 07:33:08 pm
At this point, the only thing that would disappoint me in terms of character additions is if the new characters don't revolve around a special mechanic or playstyle that makes them unique.  Smash 4 set the bar pretty high by having nearly every newcomer have one of those, with Mac's power meter, Rosa's Luma, Shulk's stances, etc.  The character itself could be anyone, and I'd be fine as long as they've got something really cool going for them in their gameplay.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Duos.act on May 28, 2018, 09:05:16 pm
Let's add another swordsman and have those already complaining, complain even more! :D

no lets add another bayonetta character that no one wanted

Right, that character that no one wanted that won a popularity contest spanning every video game character to ever appear on a Nintendo console. 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on May 28, 2018, 09:33:49 pm
The one that was chosen out of 3 popularity contest winners because one was most likely a meme or joke, and the other was a singing robot schoolgirl.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on May 29, 2018, 01:34:00 pm
So, any actual news of the game, or are we just talking and waiting for more news?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Kanbei on May 29, 2018, 02:17:47 pm
Come on guys E3 is just less then a week away.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: WumpaFruit96 on May 29, 2018, 04:25:14 pm
The one that was chosen out of 3 popularity contest winners because one was most likely a meme or joke, and the other was a singing robot schoolgirl.

Eh. I'd rather have Hatsune Miku over Bayonetta.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Duos.act on May 29, 2018, 09:47:44 pm
The one that was chosen out of 3 popularity contest winners because one was most likely a meme or joke, and the other was a singing robot schoolgirl.

That's not what happened?  She was within the top 3 most voted characters for the US and Japan, and was the number 1 most voted in Europe.  There's no way you can spin this that doesn't end with her winning the contest clean.  Take a statistics class or something.  Any way you slice it she came out on top above every single character included on a Nintendo system, including first party characters.  To say "nobody wanted her" is not just factually wrong, it's completely baseless.  Now if you say YOU didn't want her, that's a different story and you can't argue against that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Neo_Fire_Sonic on May 29, 2018, 10:08:18 pm
The one that was chosen out of 3 popularity contest winners because one was most likely a meme or joke, and the other was a singing robot schoolgirl.

That's not what happened?  She was within the top 3 most voted characters for the US and Japan, and was the number 1 most voted in Europe.  There's no way you can spin this that doesn't end with her winning the contest clean.  Take a statistics class or something.  Any way you slice it she came out on top above every single character included on a Nintendo system, including first party characters.  To say "nobody wanted her" is not just factually wrong, it's completely baseless.  Now if you say YOU didn't want her, that's a different story and you can't argue against that.

top 5, in everywhere, not just us and japan and thanks to europe we all got someone no one wanted

and i too would rather have some meme or joke instead of bayonetta
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Speedpreacher on May 29, 2018, 10:41:02 pm
That is the most asinine thing I've ever heard

I don't give a shit about half the Pokemon they put in, that doesn't mean I'd rather them put some half-assed character because it's all about me and fuck everybody else

She was the highest ranking character in the poll that they could do so they put her in and that's the end of it

And she's pretty much a Nintendo character now because they're the only ones licensing her games so you might as well get used to her
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on May 29, 2018, 10:49:50 pm
I'm not upset at her in the slightest. I was just stating facts.

Now, Cloud on the other hand...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: ShiroTori on May 29, 2018, 11:14:52 pm
Honestly, I'd rather Sakurai and Nintendo just call the shots for characters at this point. All this fan input is headache inducing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on May 29, 2018, 11:21:09 pm
...Cloud what?  Certainly Cloud was wanted and popular, just considered impossible due to preconceived rules about third-party characters.  Not without some form of basis, mind you, but not so rigid that they couldn't be bent enough to allow one of the biggest RPG characters out there in.

Unless you mean you're completely against all characters that don't put Nintendo first, regardless of their status and popularity.  In which case....sorry?  Smash certainly is Nintendo focused, but when opportunity arises to bring other huge names into the fold, people are going to want it.  Like, imagine they want to represent the FPS genre (other than Samus, which Metroid Prime is a far cry from your typical FPS anyways) and the option for Master Chief or Gordon Freeman comes up?  That would be a huge draw.

Oh my god, could you imagine Gordon Freeman using the gravity gun for far-ranged grabs, though?  That would be awesome/terribly broken.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on May 29, 2018, 11:34:26 pm

top 5, in everywhere, not just us and japan and thanks to europe we all got someone no one wanted


What combination of drugs do you have to be on to interpret "This character won a popularity contest spanning 3 entire continents" as "nobody in the world wanted this character".
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on May 29, 2018, 11:42:21 pm
I mean that I personally do not like Cloud at all. That was all I meant.

They already have Mario and Yoshi to represent the FPS genre, I mean... Who else would they choose? Doomguy or B.J. Blastowitz?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Orochi Gill on May 29, 2018, 11:44:58 pm
What the fuck?

Mario and Yoshi were in one shooter and it was an obscure Super Scope rail shooter on the SNES (Yoshi's Safari)

I think it's time to stop
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on May 30, 2018, 12:00:14 am
Also yes, they would choose DoomGuy.  The series has got history with Nintendo, and still has an exclusive what with Doom 64.  Heavily censored compared to the likes of Doom 4, obviously, like Bayonetta went through, but you can still get away with things like the Plasma Gun or BFG9000.  Not sure how you'd go about fitting in the signature Super Shotgun because you're not losing that, but hypothetically DoomGuy can be made to fit in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Duos.act on May 30, 2018, 04:41:54 am
The one that was chosen out of 3 popularity contest winners because one was most likely a meme or joke, and the other was a singing robot schoolgirl.

That's not what happened?  She was within the top 3 most voted characters for the US and Japan, and was the number 1 most voted in Europe.  There's no way you can spin this that doesn't end with her winning the contest clean.  Take a statistics class or something.  Any way you slice it she came out on top above every single character included on a Nintendo system, including first party characters.  To say "nobody wanted her" is not just factually wrong, it's completely baseless.  Now if you say YOU didn't want her, that's a different story and you can't argue against that.

top 5, in everywhere, not just us and japan and thanks to europe we all got someone no one wanted

and i too would rather have some meme or joke instead of bayonetta

Have you considered auditioning for the circus?  Because those are the most impressive mental gymnastics I've seen in a while. 

Honestly, I'd rather Sakurai and Nintendo just call the shots for characters at this point. All this fan input is headache inducing.

Of course I believe everyone is entitled to feel however they do about any character's presence or exclusion.  I only take issue when I see complete ignorance used to justify either.  These games aren't being sold to a sole individual, so to disregard the tastes of thousands because one person disagrees is more than a little questionable. 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 03, 2018, 01:13:06 pm
Remember how Nintendo added a what the fuck NES character to Melee with Ice Climbers?
And then a what the fuck NES character to Brawl with ROB?
And then a what the fuck NES character to Smash 4 with Duck Hunt?
I want the what the fuck NES character of Smash Bros for Switch to be Mike Jones from StarTropics, and I just couldn't care less how unlikely his addition would be.
I know he wont be in Smash Bros for Switch, but that still wont stop me from dreaming, damn it!
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 03, 2018, 08:15:03 pm
What about Star Man from Pro Wrestling? Would be interesting to have a grappler. And then they could reboot that and have the game reach a whole new audience.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: The Street Fighter on June 03, 2018, 08:31:02 pm
Most likely it will be Takamaru, but ...

I'd like it to be either Balloon Fighter with a gameplay focused around air-game. Or, Lip from Panel De Pon, being a summoner of those blocks.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 04, 2018, 01:12:08 pm
I'd like it to be either Balloon Fighter with a gameplay focused around air-game. Or, Lip from Panel De Pon, being a summoner of those blocks.
Can I marry you, please?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 08, 2018, 03:27:53 am
E3 can't come quickly enough. Hopefully, the reveal trailer will shed some light on a few things.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on June 10, 2018, 01:59:17 pm
Most likely it will be Takamaru, but ...

I can see a lot of people swearing about too many swords xD
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: no1wammy on June 10, 2018, 06:52:44 pm
Don't know the validity of the post, so take it with a grain of salt. Even if it was posted to Twitter on May 30.

https://twitter.com/TannerLPer/status/1001940499429814273

Listed companies based on copyright: Nintendo, Pokemon/Creatures/Game Freak, Intelligent Systems, Sega, Capcom, Bandai Namco, Square Enix, Konami

Speculate.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Seadragon77 on June 10, 2018, 07:10:44 pm
Don't know the validity of the post, so take it with a grain of salt. Even if it was posted to Twitter on May 30.

https://twitter.com/TannerLPer/status/1001940499429814273

Listed companies based on copyright: Nintendo, Pokemon/Creatures/Game Freak, Intelligent Systems, Sega, Capcom, Bandai Namco, Square Enix, Konami

Speculate.

Sounds like an upgrade of Smash 4 with Simon Belmont/Bomberman/Solid Snake (Take your pick) thrown in... oh god, does that mean the joke characters that are the Animal Crossing Villager and the Wii Fit Trainer are still there and there is also an overabundance of Fire Emblem crap???
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: EndlessDream on June 10, 2018, 07:22:56 pm
I have a gut feeling that Rex from Xenoblade 2, and characters from ARMS will be included.

If Rex is in there, I hope he's not a blatant clone of Shulk.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 10, 2018, 07:39:49 pm
Looks like Simon wasn't a lie then.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: WumpaFruit96 on June 10, 2018, 08:17:40 pm
Don't know the validity of the post, so take it with a grain of salt. Even if it was posted to Twitter on May 30.

https://twitter.com/TannerLPer/status/1001940499429814273

Listed companies based on copyright: Nintendo, Pokemon/Creatures/Game Freak, Intelligent Systems, Sega, Capcom, Bandai Namco, Square Enix, Konami

Speculate.

Sounds like an upgrade of Smash 4 with Simon Belmont/Bomberman/Solid Snake (Take your pick) thrown in... oh god, does that mean the joke characters that are the Animal Crossing Villager and the Wii Fit Trainer are still there and there is also an overabundance of Fire Emblem crap???

What are you talking about?
They still haven't announced more yet. Calm down.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on June 10, 2018, 08:44:56 pm
Don't know the validity of the post, so take it with a grain of salt. Even if it was posted to Twitter on May 30.

https://twitter.com/TannerLPer/status/1001940499429814273

Listed companies based on copyright: Nintendo, Pokemon/Creatures/Game Freak, Intelligent Systems, Sega, Capcom, Bandai Namco, Square Enix, Konami

Speculate.

That was confirmed fake a while ago.  Some video that popped up on 4chan that was literally just the ending of the Smash 5 trailer and the guy added that screen to it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: vgma2 on June 11, 2018, 12:49:19 am
oh god, does that mean the joke characters that are the Animal Crossing Villager and the Wii Fit Trainer are still there and there is also an overabundance of Fire Emblem crap???
Please.  The only joke character in the game is Jigglypuff because Sakurai has been determined to make her stay low tier after Melee.

Honestly, there's no way they'd drop Villager and WFT.  They have defined playstyles and they are the only representative of their franchises.  The only times we lost returning characters were because of: Clones, Copyright, or System Limitations. (Mewtwo is an exception with time constraints)

I could potentially see someone from Fire Emblem being dropped, if not only to introduce a new character from the franchise.  If any new FE character gets in, I'd imagine it would be Lyn, seeing as how she's been an assist trophy for the past two games and is the most popular female FE character.  Either that or a new character from the upcoming/recent game.  I could see Roy, Lucy or Corrin potentially being dropped, but Corrin has a unique kit, and Roy & Lucy hold the title for 2nd most popular male/female character.  Knowing this, I bet Sakurai would be hesitant to let either of them go.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Seadragon77 on June 11, 2018, 05:02:00 am
Please.  The only joke character in the game is Jigglypuff because Sakurai has been determined to make her stay low tier after Melee.

No. You do not talk shit about Jigglypuff. You can only talk shit about the Villager, Wii Fit Trainer and the Fire Emblem characters. No one else.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 11, 2018, 10:29:06 am
Please.  The only joke character in the game is Jigglypuff because Sakurai has been determined to make her stay low tier after Melee.

No. You do not talk shit about Jigglypuff. You can only talk shit about the Villager, Wii Fit Trainer and the Fire Emblem characters. No one else.
But...ROY!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Walruslui on June 11, 2018, 10:29:28 am
...thats an extremely safe trademark list so uh, no, this isn't really worth speculating that much over, since it looks fake as hell, because the only "new" trademark in there would be konami and i already know how everyone is gonna say it's for snake or something
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 11, 2018, 11:40:16 am
Actually, it's for Snake AND Simon Belmont.
Because that one DasVergeben leak? That might end up being real after all:
https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/8q4h48/dasvergeben_leak_might_be_correct_afterall/
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The same source that told him about ridley, snake, simon and ice climbers being in smash also said there would be 2 Castlevania games coming out. Including a compilation game for the Switch.
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The same source told him that Just Cause 4 and a new jump game that would be a mix of popular japanese shows. Both of these just got confirmed during the Microsoft conference.
And as we may know, Just Cause 4 ended up being real, same with that new Jump game (which ended up being Jump Force).

EDIT: Forgot to mention
https://imgur.com/a/2CGhFCF
The DasVergeben leak also includes Star Fox Grand Prix, Dragonball Xenoverse 3 and...VIEWTIFUL JOE 3?! AND IT'S A COLLAB BETWEEN CAPCOM AND PLATINUM GAMES?!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Walruslui on June 11, 2018, 11:54:08 am
they literally just announced that XV2 is still getting DLC and isnt finished. I doubt that XV3 is a thing now, same with Star Fox Grand Prix.

You guys rely on "leaks" too much that aren't even leaks for this type of stuff. If you're going to post about leaks, post with something with substance atleast instead of just a couple dudes going "oh i heard this and this is gonna be a thing from my uncle dad at nintenbox"
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 12, 2018, 06:27:05 pm
Super Smash Ultimate, a new game on Switch with all of the characters back!

It is a dream match come true!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Japanese Jesus on June 12, 2018, 06:43:05 pm
Ridley looks amazing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: WumpaFruit96 on June 12, 2018, 06:44:50 pm
RIDLEY IS HERE!!!
RIDLEY IS HERE!!!
SNAKE IS BACK!!!
WOLF IS BACK!!!
SOME VETERANS FROM MELEE ARE BACK!!!
NINTENDO WON AGAIN!!!
THANK YOU NINTENDO!!!
THANK YOU MR.SAKURAI!!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 12, 2018, 06:46:03 pm
RIDLEY IS HERE!!!
RIDLEY IS HERE!!!
NINTENDO WON AGAIN!!!
THANK YOU NINTENDO!!!
THANK YOU MR.SAKURAI!!!

Good, now can people stop asking about Ridley?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Jesuszilla on June 12, 2018, 06:47:51 pm
I can’t believe it. The crazy bastard did it...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 12, 2018, 06:49:46 pm
OMFG..!! That means I'll play as Wolf again!! YES!! We also got Daisy and Ridley in the lineup
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: WumpaFruit96 on June 12, 2018, 06:56:34 pm
I can’t believe it. The crazy bastard did it...

Let's not forget Daisy!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 12, 2018, 07:07:29 pm
Now how many characters will be in the game? More than my MUGEN roster?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 12, 2018, 07:09:02 pm
It's guaranteed it has beaten MvC2's roster of 56. There's over 60 fighters and around close to 70.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 12, 2018, 07:10:40 pm
My word, that's a lot! Is that the biggest we have seen in a fighting game other than MUGEN?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Solarflared on June 12, 2018, 07:17:16 pm
In regards to narrowing down Darkwolf's post...About 65, or 68 if we count the "echo fighters".
...wonder why only Dark Pit, Lucina and Daisy count as "echo fighters", though. I mean, there's a whole slew of moveset clones that got introduced in Melee.

But hey.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: R565 on June 12, 2018, 07:18:48 pm
In regards to narrowing down Darkwolf's post...About 65, or 68 if we count the "echo fighters".
...wonder why only Dark Pit, Lucina and Daisy count as "echo fighters", though. I mean, there's a whole slew of moveset clones that got introduced in Melee.

But hey.

Sakurai might have made the former clones get new moves.... Like Gannondorf using his sword more in his moveset.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Lucky Dearly on June 12, 2018, 07:20:38 pm
December 7th can't get here fast enough!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: no1wammy on June 12, 2018, 07:22:43 pm
https://www.smashbros.com/en_GB/

The website is up. Basically Nintendo's version of Marvel vs. Capcom 2.

So, about that final boss. Still Master Hand?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 12, 2018, 07:25:15 pm
My word, that's a lot! Is that the biggest we have seen in a fighting game other than MUGEN?

I believe this is the largest fighting game roster in history now. MvC2 had it going for years and now it's Smash's turn, not including DLC either.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on June 12, 2018, 07:59:43 pm
really digging greninja's new artwork, it's better than the previous one
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Sookoll on June 12, 2018, 08:13:32 pm
Finally he's here.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on June 12, 2018, 08:26:10 pm
Holy crap.  All of the cut characters coming back?  I wasn’t expecting that at all. I wonder how exactly they’re going to differentiate Young Link from Toon Link now.

Much as I love the additions to Ness and Lucas’ final smashes, I can’t help but also be dissappointed knowing that it means none of those Mother characters are going to be playable.  At least there’s still hope for Flint.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Knuckles8864 on June 12, 2018, 08:35:58 pm
Just when you think you've collected all the Smash amiibo, they're throwing in everyone they got. Welp, that's the joy of being a Nintendo fan. :)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Bastard Mami on June 12, 2018, 09:07:18 pm
My word, that's a lot! Is that the biggest we have seen in a fighting game other than MUGEN?

as long as we ignore the dragon ball "fighting games"
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Jesuszilla on June 12, 2018, 10:02:46 pm
Holy crap.  All of the cut characters coming back?  I wasn’t expecting that at all. I wonder how exactly they’re going to differentiate Young Link from Toon Link now.

Probably taller hitboxes, less horrible range, and maybe Young Link’s spin will be N64’s or something.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on June 12, 2018, 11:11:02 pm
^ That makes sense.  The character vid from the site shows he's got his fire arrows too, which I totally forgot that he had.

There's actually a lot of new stuff in those videos they didn't show off in the presentation.   There's an assist trophy for Krystal, and a New Donk City stage with Pauline's band playing in the background.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: PineappleProducer on June 12, 2018, 11:29:16 pm
No King K Rool. 0/10


Seriously though, this looks absolutely amazing. All I've ever wanted was to have all the characters in one game, and now it's finally here! 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 12, 2018, 11:40:51 pm
Wait, if we have New Donk and New Pork, that means we can literally have A Tale of Two Cities.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on June 12, 2018, 11:42:09 pm
So I'm just going to say this nitpick now so as to move on to the rest of the good stuff as I mull over all the information overload.  The fact they stuck with Other M Samus and that annoying jet boot thing for Zero Suit still very much so irritates me.  They had the opportunity to update her as they did most others, and did not.  Which they really probably should have all the more, what with that final announcement.

And dear god, Ridley, I thought you would look like your 2D versions, but not the decaying husk version from Fusion.  Jesus Christ, he's a monster compared to the entire rest of the roster.  It's fantastic.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on June 13, 2018, 12:28:38 am
You are forgetting the most important news out there: Daisy is playable!!!!! :D
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 13, 2018, 12:30:55 am
What about the updated facial expressions? I think that's even more important.

Or how everyone's Final Smashes now are literally super tryhard Mugen Level 3 hyper attacks, complete with hyper portraits?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on June 13, 2018, 12:47:49 am
Ok, a few thoughts.  So Sakurai stated that there will be little to look forward to in newcomers, because that work has already been put to reviving previous entry characters.  That's fine, but now we need some in-depth look as to what makes their return worthwhile beyond nostalgia.  Because Pichu's cute, but a joke character before.  Is that still the case, or is it a more dangerous Lucario now, does more damage the higher its own is while also always hurting itself?  And Young Link, does he incorporate the masks in some format?  I would imagine the by far fan favorite Fierce Deity Link would be his Final Smash move.  But in general, I want to know what makes these characters worth the effort beyond "they're back".  Explain what changes Dark Pit got.  Even more-so, what's going on with Ganondorf now.

With Pichu restored, I kinda want a Raichu to be a Pokémon DLC character.  Yeah, it's not nearly the highest requested choice, and expands the Pokémon roster even further, but it feels odd not to complete the evolutionary line now.  And you could have Alolan Raichu as an alt.  But I have no expectations of that coming to fruition.  And the assist trophy section is like a shot to the heart, watching Waluigi, Bomberman and Midna go by.  So close to a full inclusion, then left just as a gimmick.  Likely none of them will end up full characters down the line this title.

Also, since they said everyone will be back, I wonder if that includes Alph.  He wasn't shown off today.  But then, granted, he was just an Olimar skin.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on June 13, 2018, 01:08:49 am
For once, I would love to see the looks of the black sheep of the Super Smash Community's faces when they see Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on June 13, 2018, 01:13:23 am
Also, since they said everyone will be back, I wonder if that includes Alph.  He wasn't shown off today.  But then, granted, he was just an Olimar skin.

Alph and the Koopa Kids are still there, just as alternate skins like before.  You can see them in the character highlight videos.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on June 13, 2018, 01:14:53 am
Ah.  I only saw the main presentation so far, will have to catch those later tonight, then.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Jesuszilla on June 13, 2018, 01:31:29 am
Simon Belmont is rumored to be the last new addition. I am extremely looking forward to that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: ShiroTori on June 13, 2018, 02:16:07 am
The Captain N trio will finally be complete!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on June 13, 2018, 02:29:58 am
Heh, just noticed this:

(https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/bowser/ss_4.jpg)

Peach's neutral B had its animation totally redone so now Toad is jumping in front of Peach on his own instead of her just using him as a human shield.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on June 13, 2018, 02:56:55 am
Oh, that is...an unusual color palette choice for Bowser, now that I focus on it.  He looks so, I dunno...dry.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Kirishima on June 13, 2018, 03:23:39 am
Apparently all Pokemon hazards from past games are returning.  There was a case where Scizor appeared from a Pokeball.  Saffron City retains its n64 graphics, heh.  Really digging the all-in-one route.

Pikachu has a new N-Air.  It's a multi hit move probably to set itself apart from Pichu.  Ganondorf has several new Smash attacks using his sword.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on June 13, 2018, 03:37:06 am
Ok, so just to rewind, I had to go see that Ridley trailer again.


And oh my god, Ridley legitimately just straight-up murders Mega Man and Mario.  I said he was gonna be a dark addition, but I didn't think Nintendo themselves would have a pre-rendered trailer of him snapping Mario's neck.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: vgma2 on June 13, 2018, 03:42:55 am
Various things I saw:

I love the changes with the UI and effects.  From the VS splash screens and blast zone indicator to the hyper move backgrounds and cut-ins like other fighting games.  The "final strike" effect even looks like a hyper combo finish effect.

Also apparently grab teching is in the game. (Like in regular fighting games)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: PineappleProducer on June 13, 2018, 03:58:10 am
  • Wario has Shoulder Bash back.

I can die a happy man now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 13, 2018, 04:05:54 am
Oh god, 3D Land is returning in that Toad picture. It literally took them 4 games to change Ganonnondorf, too.

About time they added Shoulder Charge as a dash attack as well. Always hated that weak flop.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on June 13, 2018, 04:28:32 am
Knuckles and Arcade Bunny from Nintendo Badge Arcade are both confirmed assist trophies.  Knuckles just poses in Sonic's video so IDK what he does, but it looks like Arcade Bunny calls down a giant claw machine to grab fighters and pull them up and out of the stage.

There's also a screenshot of Snake next to a Ramblin' Evil Mushroom from Earthbound, but it's not clear if it's an assist trophy or an item.  Maybe an enemy from some kinda Smash Run mode.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on June 13, 2018, 05:01:08 am
(https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/daisy/ss_3.jpg)
I see Smash this year is in the running to try to upstage Street Fighter IV's slo-mo goofy faces.

(https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/zero_suit_samus/ss_5.jpg)
I also see they did the same joke again.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on June 13, 2018, 05:12:22 am
speaking of street fighter, have you noticed that before the fight begins someone picks a stage then someone picks a character

it reminded me of street fighter V in a way
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: vgma2 on June 13, 2018, 05:22:48 am
Yup, they said they did it so that you could choose your character accordingly based on the stage that was chosen.
It's what they do at tournaments too, so that's pretty neat.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Kirishima on June 13, 2018, 05:28:17 am


Vega/Claw theme cover as part of a new music addon.  I never expected his music to be included.


Snake has a new logo being an exclamation point instead of the Foxhound logo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 13, 2018, 06:24:43 am
(https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/zero_suit_samus/ss_5.jpg)
I also see they did the same joke again.

Was Snake always an ass-man?

Never seem to notice that, or maybe he's just a pervert.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Rai Tei on June 13, 2018, 02:57:22 pm
Heh, just noticed this:

Peach's neutral B had its animation totally redone so now Toad is jumping in front of Peach on his own instead of her just using him as a human shield.

She used to take him out from underneath her dress xD
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Sookoll on June 13, 2018, 04:05:07 pm
Was Snake always an ass-man?

Never seem to notice that, or maybe he's just a pervert.
That's how he recognized Meryl.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: GTAguy on June 13, 2018, 05:39:04 pm
That Direct was awesome. Holy shit!

All the fighters returning. Do you think we get a 70 chars in this game? Apparently the leak seems to be true and Simon could the simi-final char and soon another one.

Btw did you notice that Marth has a English voice and it sounds like Sora from Kingdom Hearts?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on June 13, 2018, 09:25:08 pm
That Direct was awesome. Holy shit!

All the fighters returning. Do you think we get a 70 chars in this game? Apparently the leak seems to be true and Simon could the simi-final char and soon another one.

Btw did you notice that Marth has a English voice and it sounds like Sora from Kingdom Hearts?

it's about time marth gets an english voice. I don't think roy will have an english voice as well
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: GTAguy on June 13, 2018, 11:32:44 pm
That Direct was awesome. Holy shit!

All the fighters returning. Do you think we get a 70 chars in this game? Apparently the leak seems to be true and Simon could the simi-final char and soon another one.

Btw did you notice that Marth has a English voice and it sounds like Sora from Kingdom Hearts?

it's about time marth gets an english voice. I don't think roy will have an english voice as well

Speaking of English voice, what about Cloud Strife? Steve Burton is still active and is still the role of Cloud. How come didn't he have a English voice in the first place?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on June 13, 2018, 11:34:30 pm
So everyone was blown away by the announcement of all the characters yesterday, but the stages ended up getting overlooked.  Going through all the videos, screenshots, and the official website, more than 80 stages have been confirmed to be in the game so far, which is nuts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsBjEXlqGXY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ81QsJqLA4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF-yNJJOUWU

At this point it'd be easier to list the stages from past games that aren't being recreated for Ultimate.  As a Mother fan, I'm super excited about Fourside and New Pork City coming back, plus that gorgeous Magicant stage getting the HD upgrade it deserves.

:EDIT: So for shits and giggles I actually did make a list of all the past stages that haven't been shown off in some way for Ultimate yet.  Discounting the various iterations of Battlefield and Final Destination, there are about 120 or so stages between every Smash game until now.  Of those, there are only 35 that have yet to show up in this one.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Goddamn.  Sakurai putting in the work.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on June 13, 2018, 11:51:38 pm
omg first the largest fighter roster, now the largest stage roster
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 14, 2018, 04:37:34 am
Mushroomy Kingdom is shown too. Dang shame most of those are annoying as hell to play on.

Still have a way to go to beat out Smash Infinite's stage roster though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Darkflare on June 14, 2018, 04:53:42 am
Btw did you notice that Marth has a English voice and it sounds like Sora from Kingdom Hearts?

Yuri Lowenthal has been voicing Marth in English for a while now. Honestly, he could have had it by Smash 4 due to the Shadow Dragon remake having english Marth already

it's about time marth gets an english voice. I don't think roy will have an english voice as well

Roy has an english voice in Heroes, so he could have one in Smash 5 as well.

Still have a way to go to beat out Smash Infinite's stage roster though.

Comparing to a silly fan game.

kek.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 14, 2018, 12:13:02 pm
Mushroomy Kingdom is shown too.

That's my favorite stage in the 3DS version of Sm4sh. Easy and fast kills with high launch set. I hope it's usable for 8 player smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 14, 2018, 12:24:38 pm
BTW, something I noticed: Knuckles is an assist trophy now, yet Shadow is...oddly absent...
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: drewski90 on June 14, 2018, 01:42:31 pm
i just realized something:

while they're showing us gameplay for super smash bros ultimate

i can hear xander mobus being the announcer again in the new smash bros game
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: vgma2 on June 14, 2018, 07:45:16 pm
While they did introduce the term Echo Fighters, I don't expect them to go too crazy with it.
I'm don't think there'll be any Echos of 3rd parties, or to make a dark version of a character. (To avoid the Dark Pit-esque backlash again.)

Since we'll be having tons of unlockable characters again, I wonder what they'll do in terms of single player modes.
I at least hope Classic mode will be as good as it was in Melee.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Jesuszilla on June 14, 2018, 08:44:54 pm
I hope Isabelle becomes a Villager Echo Fighter; I hear she’s no longer an assist so it seems possible.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 14, 2018, 08:56:57 pm
I'm not sure how people are deciding whether an Assist is in or not when all they've got to go by is an E3 build which definitely doesn't have everything in it; heck, that Meta Ridley costume featured in Ridley's reveal trailer isn't even in there, nor are the alt colours of Wireframe Mac.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Person Man on June 14, 2018, 09:09:13 pm
I hope Isabelle becomes a Villager Echo Fighter; I hear she’s no longer an assist so it seems possible.

While I would absolutely love that, I also don’t know if I could ever bring myself to hit Isabelle.

Since they made echo fighters a Thing, I have to imagine there are at least one or two more.  Funky Kong and Octoling are the most obvious ones that come to mind.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 15, 2018, 12:47:08 am
While they did introduce the term Echo Fighters, I don't expect them to go too crazy with it.
I'm don't think there'll be any Echos of 3rd parties, or to make a dark version of a character. (To avoid the Dark Pit-esque backlash again.)
I'm not sure how people are deciding whether an Assist is in or not when all they've got to go by is an E3 build which definitely doesn't have everything in it; heck, that Meta Ridley costume featured in Ridley's reveal trailer isn't even in there, nor are the alt colours of Wireframe Mac.
Yeah, but at the same time, a 3rd party franchise having TWO assist trophies is equally weird.
So...does that just mean that Shadow is completely cut?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: PineappleProducer on June 15, 2018, 01:59:11 am
Since we'll be having tons of unlockable characters again, I wonder what they'll do in terms of single player modes.
I at least hope Classic mode will be as good as it was in Melee.

Heck, I'd even be content with a 3DS style classic mode. For other single player modes, I'd like the target test to return, event matches that aren't garbage, and an story mode ala Subspace Emissary (though I'm not holding my breath).   

I'm curious, though - they said the existing Figure Player data on our amiibo would be compatible with SSBU, right? What does that mean for custom moves?

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: Long John Killer on June 15, 2018, 03:42:53 am
I'm more curious how it'll carry anything over and still be useful when the characters are all reworked with new gameplay mechanics behind the scenes, if they don't simply have altered moves altogether.  Being a level 50 Link amiibo won't help when it tries to use bombs and gets confused why they need to be remote detonated now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 16, 2018, 05:51:58 pm
I think this thread should be renamed Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Japanese Jesus on June 17, 2018, 02:49:33 am
Why is Vega's music in the game? Is his stage in?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jesuszilla on June 17, 2018, 03:26:36 am
Nah, most likely Yoko Shimomura decided to compose it because she really was proud of her work on that track.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: StevenB on June 17, 2018, 09:40:33 am
Why is Vega's music in the game? Is his stage in?

Ryu's stage only had like 3 tracks in Smash 4. They're probably adding more tracks to Suzaku Castle and Midgar to make them consistent with the other stages.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 17, 2018, 10:50:22 am
More music on Midgar would be wonderful, but that's up to Square. Maybe some Bravely Default music?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mgbenz on June 17, 2018, 11:21:11 am
Just popping in to say Snake lost his iconic ass and Capt. Falcon and Ganon lost their glorious bulges. Otherwise an awesome game.

Ok bye.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: GTAguy on June 17, 2018, 01:45:32 pm
I'm fine with more music. But when do we get custom music? I can put my music and anything I want. If some PS4 games can, why not Smash Bros?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros for Switch
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 17, 2018, 05:05:53 pm
Was Snake always an ass-man?

Never seem to notice that, or maybe he's just a pervert.
That's how he recognized Meryl.

Heh, the more you know...

Still, I wonder why women didn't slap him for that?

I'm fine with more music. But when do we get custom music? I can put my music and anything I want. If some PS4 games can, why not Smash Bros?

Because then you have to figure out a way to put the music into the system and the only way I saw that the Switch can gain files from a computer is with an SD card.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: The Street Fighter on June 17, 2018, 05:32:37 pm
Alright, say you only had 5 more newcomers. Who would "You" want to see?

Mine;
- King K. Rool. (DK)
- Dixie Kong. (DK)
- Lip. (Panel De Pon)
- Black Shadow. (F-Zero)
- Isaac or Geno. (Golden Sun/Super Mario RPG)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on June 17, 2018, 09:37:29 pm
I'm fine with more music. But when do we get custom music? I can put my music and anything I want. If some PS4 games can, why not Smash Bros?
We're not getting custom music anytime soon because:
1. To stop hacking.  There's a reason they've been trying to stop us from loading our own files for the Switch.

2. To give people a reason to buy stage DLC that has their favourite song in it.

You'll just have to wait until the modding scene manages to get their hands on Smash 5.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 17, 2018, 10:39:15 pm
There's only one newcomer I'm now looking forward to, and Nintendo themselves let the news slip.

(http://i.imgur.com/2ZIEXsW.jpg)
It's Mr. Saturn's time to get promoted from an item to a playable character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NamelessOnlinePlayer on June 18, 2018, 03:18:28 am
I'm looking forward to all the new music this game will offer. Vega and Wood Man remixes make me want more.
Also, Vergeben (the guy that claims Simon will come) says there's at least six newcomers coming to the game (https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comments/8k0li1/here_are_some_big_smash_leaks_for_those_that_care/e0pemqo/):
said:
I heard that at minimum, there are at least a half dozen characters still to be revealed. But I don't know who any of them outside of Simon are yet.
Seems reasonable to me. 8 new characters in base game fits with the statement of "don't expect a lot of newcomers."
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 18, 2018, 04:01:44 am
I hope to some more soundtracks in there and hopefully include the main themes from the other 4 titles. I'm surprised Vega has a remixed theme for Smash. I wonder if they have one for Bison as well. We got Ken's though despite it's exclusive to Smash Wii U.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 18, 2018, 04:12:20 am
so i guess for each month there'll be one newcomer
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 18, 2018, 04:13:23 am
I'm surprised Vega has a remixed theme for Smash. I wonder if they have one for Bison as well. We got Ken's though despite it's exclusive to Smash Wii U.

It's probably because now that Suzaku Castle isn't DLC anymore they can't get away with just a DLC-level amount of music for it.  Or the additional Street Fighter content means that Ken is Ryu's Echo Fighter.

Ooh, that makes me realize that the Great Bay stage means we're gonna get a ton of new arranged Majora's Mask music.  Please give me Stone Tower Temple and Bremen March.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Lucky Dearly on June 18, 2018, 04:22:34 am
Alright, say you only had 5 more newcomers. Who would "You" want to see?

Mine;
- King K. Rool. (DK)
- Dixie Kong. (DK)
- Lip. (Panel De Pon)
- Black Shadow. (F-Zero)
- Isaac or Geno. (Golden Sun/Super Mario RPG)

Hmm mine would be:

Miles "Tails" Prower (Sonic)
Wreck-It Ralph
Crash Bandicoot
Spyro the Dragon
Agumon (Digimon)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 18, 2018, 05:04:56 am
Not that I expect Namco's first choice as a rep to be Digimon, though it would admittingly be kinda cool to see, wouldn't WarGreymon make more sense?  About human sized, like Charizard, more diverse movepool, established rivalry, has something that would work as a Final Smash, is a dragon and dragons make money. (An undeniable truth)

I wouldn't be against Ken showing up either, Ken's awesome and his stage/theme is all the more so, though if anyone else in Street Fighter deserves to show it sure as hell should be Chun-Li.  I just want to see how diverse the echo fighters get from their established bases.  Especially with Ken, seeing how he's evolved into his own being over time and isn't "just" Ryu in red anymore.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 18, 2018, 05:15:13 am
I wouldn't expect too much variety from echo fighters.  If we're going off of the basis of Lucina, Dark Pit, and Daisy, they're going to have to be A) Physically similar enough that they can just hang the new model on top of the original characters' rig and animations, and B) Would believably use the exact same moves as the base character.    Villager => Isabelle is the most drastic departure I can see happening, but they'll probably be closer to Olimar => Louie or Bayonetta => Jeanne.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 18, 2018, 05:35:36 am
My expectations aren't that high for them to be too different, I just hope there's something more to them than being glorified character skins with their own slots.  All I really ask for is they change the B moves.  Keep the A moves, that's fine and probably preferable for most of them, but as is they're still too similar for my tastes.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on June 18, 2018, 06:29:41 am
If anyone else in Street Fighter deserves to show it sure as hell should be Chun-Li.

Chun-Li could become a candidate due to being the first fighting female character in fighting video game history. But then Capcom will hold the bizarre distinction of being 2nd in number of fighting candidates represented by a 3rd party, though somebody will correct me on that statement largely because of the Nintendo IP ID discrepancy. This basically means companies like Creatures/Game Freak (who run the Pokemon franchise) are technically a part of Nintendo, therefore not considered 3rd party. Still, it's weird.

I have a hunch Waluigi's getting in, his fan support is pouring and increasing in volume.

Agree with the crowd on Simon Belmont. Could his Final Smash be the Greatest Five Dual Crush from Portrait Of Ruin?

By the way, GameFAQs had this up in the polls today: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7115-if-you-could-convince-nintendo-to-just-put-one-more
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 18, 2018, 06:48:11 am
I just read some info regarding the assist trophies and noticed that Midna and Ghirahim are among those that can be defeated as well as Lyn. So far only 9 have been confirmed to be totally invulnerable and more than one assist trophy can be summoned now. Guess I'll be doing Smash battles with Assist Trophies, X-Bombs and Smart Bombs.

Not hopeful for Waluigi though cuz the number of fighters we're getting is satisfying enough. If he's doomed as an Assist only so be it, he'll forever be doomed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 18, 2018, 09:33:09 am
Is it wrong that I think Bomberman being an Assist Trophy was the best way to implement him? He lays bombs and runs away, which works perfectly for this sort of thing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 18, 2018, 10:17:13 am
I wouldn't expect too much variety from echo fighters.  If we're going off of the basis of Lucina, Dark Pit, and Daisy, they're going to have to be A) Physically similar enough that they can just hang the new model on top of the original characters' rig and animations, and B) Would believably use the exact same moves as the base character.    Villager => Isabelle is the most drastic departure I can see happening, but they'll probably be closer to Olimar => Louie or Bayonetta => Jeanne.
So...would you think that Dark Samus and Shadow being Echo Fighters in Smash Bros Ultimate would be plausible (when ignoring certain unwritten "rules", of course and only focus on the two points you mentioned).
Because technically speaking, Shadow was just a Sonic clone in Sonic Adventure 2, and so far, Shadow is completely absent from the game (Knuckles seems to be replacing Shadow as the Assist Trophy character), and not only seems the Dark Samus Assist Trophy to be absent, but also Samus' Dark Samus palette (it got replaced with a brand new palette).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 18, 2018, 12:46:05 pm
Conceivably, yeah.  I don't think either of them would be a good idea considering people's reactions to Dark Pit last time, but yes they would be totally plausible echo fighters.

Tails could also work as an echo fighter of Sonic, I think.  They're built more or less the same and all of Sonic's moves are from the Genesis games, where Tails can do everything that he can.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 18, 2018, 09:24:21 pm
Is it wrong that I think Bomberman being an Assist Trophy was the best way to implement him? He lays bombs and runs away, which works perfectly for this sort of thing.
I think for what they've done it's as good as it can possibly be as an assist trophy to his character, but with things like Bomberman Quest to draw from, there's so much more they can do to truly make him a full-fledged playable character.  Alas, not this time, it seems.  Shame, I love Bomberman and would love to play as him.

I dunno about Tails, he'd seem even more out of place with Sonic's breakdancing fighting moves pasted on top of him than Shadow would.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Byakko on June 18, 2018, 09:31:47 pm
Pretty sure edgy emo fanbase >>>> child furry fanbase.

edit
Sonic's fanbase is cancer. All characters. All games. There is no better side with them...
That is so not the point.
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 18, 2018, 10:16:30 pm
Sonic's fanbase is cancer. All characters. All games. There is no better side with them...

Bomberman Hero, Bomberman 93', Generation, Dream Mix T.V., both 64s, Pocket, all 5 Super games, and even the first game all have things that could be used for a complete moveset. I prefer him as an assist if Smash Flash 2 and Crusade is any indication on how he would play though...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 19, 2018, 12:07:30 am
Sonic's fanbase is cancer. All characters. All games. There is no better side with them...
Can you fucking not, stupid?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on June 19, 2018, 12:21:04 am
I hoping that the echo fighters will have more changes to differentiate them from their originals this time.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 19, 2018, 12:53:44 am
Just found this compilation of Zelda's new victory poses:

(https://i.imgur.com/4Rm5x48.gif)

I have to say, what they've done with Zelda this time looks great.   Zelda's always been the most boring character in Smash to me because she always had no personality; Her face was expressionless and all of her movements were so reserved.  But now she's more expressive and vibrant than she's ever been.

The sheer level of quality of life improvements being made to this game is remarkable.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 19, 2018, 01:50:27 am
Tails has the ability to fly while Sonic doesn't. I noticed that Dillon is absent from the lineup of Assist trophies this time. I wonder if they're gonna consider giving him the same treatment they gave Little Mac...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 19, 2018, 03:01:17 am
I'm of two minds with what they did with Zelda.  One the one hand, I enjoy all the various versions of her and what they bring to the table, A Link Between Worlds included.  However, Twilight Princess either ties with Ocarina of Time or otherwise beats it as my favorite iteration of her both for design and story purposes.  And yet, Person Man's totally on the money, they gave her a whole new breath of life with Smash Ultimate.

That said
Zelda's always been the most boring character in Smash to me because she always had no personality; Her face was expressionless and all of her movements were so reserved.
...So she was acting like Zelda?  I mean, beyond the times when she's a child, that's kinda her role as ruler.

Zelda here reminds me of the case of Olimar with Alph though, and when they already have the model on hand, why not just offer different skins for the characters?  Mario's got, like, half a dozen now.

So I just had a rather out there idea.  Not much to back it, but just considering that Mr. Saturn they left up on the key artwork for the game.  He seems to be the only out of place character in it, and as funny as it could be to image him upgraded to a full character, I wonder if instead he's a placeholder because there's another Mother character that he's supposed to be with.  Kinda like how before Ridley was announced, the Duck Hunt Dog was just kinda floating in the air, then they changed it online to have Ridley in the picture.

I would suppose then the most logical choice to keep with the protagonist theme would be Ninten, but Mother 1 didn't involve the Mr. Saturns, right?  So I wonder if instead, they're addressing the lack of villains like they did with Ridley, and might go with the Mother series most infamous opponent; Giygas.  Or more fittingly, Giegue, his physical form.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/earthbound/images/1/10/Giygas_In-Battle_Mother.png)
Kinda farfetched, I know, it is just the Pikmin carrying a Mr. Saturn away on there, but just imagining it now, having the psycodelic Giygas background as a stage or even better a Final Smash, I'd totally be down for it.  Could model him up as an echo character after Mewtwo, since plenty have noticed the similarities in the past.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 19, 2018, 03:52:40 am
Zelda's always been the most boring character in Smash to me because she always had no personality; Her face was expressionless and all of her movements were so reserved.
...So she was acting like Zelda?  I mean, beyond the times when she's a child, that's kinda her role as ruler.
I just mean she always looked so bored.  Even the ultra-serious type characters like Samus or Marth at least looked like they were enjoying themselves.  Zelda always looked bored out of her skull before now.



Quote
So I just had a rather out there idea.  Not much to back it, but just considering that Mr. Saturn they left up on the key artwork for the game.  He seems to be the only out of place character in it, and as funny as it could be to image him upgraded to a full character, I wonder if instead he's a placeholder because there's another Mother character that he's supposed to be with.  Kinda like how before Ridley was announced, the Duck Hunt Dog was just kinda floating in the air, then they changed it online to have Ridley in the picture.

I would suppose then the most logical choice to keep with the protagonist theme would be Ninten, but Mother 1 didn't involve the Mr. Saturns, right?  So I wonder if instead, they're addressing the lack of villains like they did with Ridley, and might go with the Mother series most infamous opponent; Giygas.  Or more fittingly, Giegue, his physical form.

Kinda farfetched, I know, but just imagining it now, having the psycodelic Giygas background as a stage, I'd totally be down for it.  Could model him up as an echo character after Mewtwo, since plenty have noticed the similarities in the past.


Much as I'd love another Mother character, I think it's supposed to be a joke that the pikmin are mistaking Mr. Saturn for Olimar because of its bald head and big nose.

But now that you mention it holy shit what I wouldn't give for a Cave of the Past stage with the Giygas battle theme (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOdx8MTi1tU) as the BGM.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 19, 2018, 04:00:39 am
I kinda imagine Zelda would be bored, being the surrogate of Wisdom itself, knowing all.  I dunno, seemed in character to me.


And yeah, I edited my post before you finished.  I figured it could just boil down to that, a sight gag at the Pikmin carrying something similar to Olimar.  But we got months to theorize and I'm throwing my ballot into the ring.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bane84 on June 19, 2018, 04:05:09 am
Yeah, so apparently this is happening.

(https://i.redditmedia.com/RnTBpdnnPZKOHBdIV-TwYe0SW9QhsCRAiE1-XXpJIxI.jpg?s=298369a3371bcf7fd4d42693fa1c266a)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Foobs on June 19, 2018, 04:31:10 am
How much of the Waluigi sperging we've seen in the last few days is just memes and how much is genuine fanboyism?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 19, 2018, 04:37:16 am
Alright, say you only had 5 more newcomers. Who would "You" want to see?

Mine;
- King K. Rool. (DK)
- Dixie Kong. (DK)
- Lip. (Panel De Pon)
- Black Shadow. (F-Zero)
- Isaac or Geno. (Golden Sun/Super Mario RPG)

here's mine:

any gen 7 pokemon capable of being playable, like decidueye
simon belmont
crash bandicoot
any other member of the kong family like dixie kong
any digimon like renamon
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 19, 2018, 04:41:28 am
How much of the Waluigi sperging we've seen in the last few days is just memes and how much is genuine fanboyism?

I'd put it at maybe 80/20 in favor of memes.

It's a cold and it's a broken Wah-llelujah.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on June 19, 2018, 04:50:15 am

This is how you get Sakurai to NOT WANT to put him in the game.
I feel sorry for the tame Waluigi fans.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on June 19, 2018, 05:05:03 am
Blast it all! Seeing Princess Zelda from The Legends of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds makes me pant after her Lorule counterpart, Princess Hilda.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 19, 2018, 05:06:52 am
Yeah, so apparently this is happening.

(https://i.redditmedia.com/RnTBpdnnPZKOHBdIV-TwYe0SW9QhsCRAiE1-XXpJIxI.jpg?s=298369a3371bcf7fd4d42693fa1c266a)

Man, and I thought those Ridley fans are bad. This is nuts.

Although, did something like this happens the last time there is a Smash game in the works?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on June 19, 2018, 08:29:37 am
Just found this compilation of Zelda's new victory poses:

I have to say, what they've done with Zelda this time looks great.   Zelda's always been the most boring character in Smash to me because she always had no personality; Her face was expressionless and all of her movements were so reserved.  But now she's more expressive and vibrant than she's ever been.

The sheer level of quality of life improvements being made to this game is remarkable.

I'm just hoping Zelda is actually viable now because she's a fun character to use until you remember that her recovery move is stupid punishable if you don't immediately grab a ledge and Side-B puts her in a helpless fall state for some reason.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: GTAguy on June 19, 2018, 11:47:40 am
Gee, again with this Waluigi as assist BS...
Just be glad that he's in the game and you can knock these assists down. When I saw that moment and I wasn't surprised on that. Good thing that his hands aren't blocky anymore he had in Brawl and Wii U/3DS. All I can say is this:
Once a Assist Trophy, always a Assist Trophy.

Previously on Smash Bros Wii U/3DS
Seadragon77 said:
Another thread is about how the pic of the day made his little brother cry. I shit you not.

I bet he's crying again.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 19, 2018, 01:20:20 pm
Today's blog post about the black hole item has what looks like the new Final Destination in it as well:

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/img/29_3_1.jpg)
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/img/29_4.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 19, 2018, 07:44:25 pm
Fox is edging to destroy his opponents. And seriously, these Waluigi fans need to stop their bullshit. That shows how ungrateful they are despite all the fighters returning. If I was to meet a hardcore Waluigi fan in real life, I'll never associate myself with them because they'll go mad quick.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on June 19, 2018, 08:20:53 pm
Once a Assist Trophy, always a Assist Trophy.
Little Mac, Charzard (A Pokeball unit, but still.)

I'm just hoping Zelda is actually viable now because she's a fun character to use until you remember that her recovery move is stupid punishable if you don't immediately grab a ledge and Side-B puts her in a helpless fall state for some reason.
We have plenty of viable characters with punishable recoveries if they dungoof it.  That hasn't stopped them from climbing sets in tournaments.
Also, Din's Fire no longer puts her in helpless, among other buffs.  I'd say she's definitely looking better here than she did in previous games.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Sheng Long on June 19, 2018, 09:01:30 pm
So.... The reason ppl keep spamming Sakurai's account is because fans want Waluigi as a playable character, now that they finally got Ridley? Wasn't Waluigi an assist trophy, or something?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jesuszilla on June 19, 2018, 09:13:42 pm
No, they’re doing it because they’re fucking memers who think they’re being funny.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Alex Sonico on June 20, 2018, 01:01:28 am
No, they’re doing it because they’re fucking memers who think they’re being funny.

I never saw this as funny in the first place. Plus where is is his own game? It’s important to have your own game (just like Wario did)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on June 20, 2018, 01:04:11 am
I'm just hoping Zelda is actually viable now because she's a fun character to use until you remember that her recovery move is stupid punishable if you don't immediately grab a ledge and Side-B puts her in a helpless fall state for some reason.
Testers confirmed that she no longer has the Side-B fall state and can act after it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 20, 2018, 03:06:07 am
Aw man, I just saw Link kept his Fierce Deity palette.  Normally, I'd be all for that, but with Young Link, I was hoping he would incorporate that into his Final Smash, and I doubt they'll reuse the reference.  Hoping otherwise, though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on June 20, 2018, 07:38:48 am
We have plenty of viable characters with punishable recoveries if they dungoof it.  That hasn't stopped them from climbing sets in tournaments.
Also, Din's Fire no longer puts her in helpless, among other buffs.  I'd say she's definitely looking better here than she did in previous games.
Zelda was a special kind of stupid.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on June 20, 2018, 07:53:03 am
Now that you mention it, I do remember Zelda's Farore's Wind having a lot more problems beyond being punishable.
Well then, let's hope that her Up-B getting improved is among one of the buffs she'll get.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on June 20, 2018, 08:09:22 am
You couldn't even move side to side after it until a long time. It gave a new meaning to being in a helpless state.
Din's fire had no reason to go into helpless.

Glad these buffs are finally in. She deserved them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 20, 2018, 09:40:53 am
On the subject of teleport recoveries, here's to hoping Mewtwo's doesn't have that weird recoil to it where he bounces off the stage instead of grabbing the ledge.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 20, 2018, 12:54:01 pm
New screenshots of Bomberman on today's blog.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

There's also a preview of Bomb Rush Blush from Splatoon on the music section (https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html) now too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 20, 2018, 01:11:37 pm
wow bomberman can plant time bombs now. that's neat

i see that the bomb's power is max which is 9
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: WumpaFruit96 on June 20, 2018, 01:54:47 pm
Anyway... I still don't understand why most Waluigi fans wants him playable?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Yagoshi300 on June 20, 2018, 05:50:46 pm
Anyway... I still don't understand why most Waluigi fans wants him playable?

Same excuse as Melee Fox Players
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jesuszilla on June 20, 2018, 05:52:06 pm
wat
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 20, 2018, 07:42:01 pm
I echo fighter this wat.

People want Waluigi in this game for memes, or because they genuinely like Waluigi as a character and would thus want to play as him in a title as popular as this.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Japanese Jesus on June 21, 2018, 01:07:26 am
Anyway... I still don't understand why most Waluigi fans wants him playable?

Why not? He is a good character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 21, 2018, 01:15:58 am
He's nothing, that's the problem.  He's just a party game filler character with nothing particularly noteworthy about him that's not an in-joke invented by fans.  Granted, Daisy's not much better these days but at least she had Super Mario Land.  I think fans place a lot more importance on him than Nintendo themselves do.  If Nintendo won't even bother putting Waluigi in any of the two separate Wario-centric franchises they have, then he's got no business being in Smash Bros.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 21, 2018, 03:04:25 am
sheik has a different final smash, where he starts pulling a knife out, too bad i don't get to see it fully
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 21, 2018, 03:30:14 am
I think fans place a lot more importance on him than Nintendo themselves do.
That's a given at this point.

I'm not really committed one way or another with Waluigi.  I would like it if they just got to finish the pairing off, since Wario got it, regardless of how valuable Waluigi is or is not to the series.  At the same time...yeah, he's a blank purple and black slate pretty much.  Unless we get a surprise out of Mario Tennis Aces and it's actually his game that the story's about.  Which would be neat, and actually give some foundation to include him in Smash, if rather flimsy if the game's not even named after him.

I just checked out the Smash music preview site, and boy that Brinstar Depth cover....has well tuned instruments.  I dunno, it doesn't feel like the right direction to go covering it, it's just not doing anything for me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 21, 2018, 04:08:08 am
I think fans place a lot more importance on him than Nintendo themselves do.
That's a given at this point.

I'm not really committed one way or another with Waluigi.  I would like it if they just got to finish the pairing off, since Wario got it, regardless of how valuable Waluigi is or is not to the series.  At the same time...yeah, he's a blank purple and black slate pretty much.  Unless we get a surprise out of Mario Tennis Aces and it's actually his game that the story's about.  Which would be neat, and actually give some foundation to include him in Smash, if rather flimsy if the game's not even named after him.

I just checked out the Smash music preview site, and boy that Brinstar Depth cover....has well tuned instruments.  I dunno, it doesn't feel like the right direction to go covering it, it's just not doing anything for me.

the original brinstar depths track from melee always give me goosebumps whenever i hear that track

the new version doesn't and it's way more awesome to listen to than the original
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 21, 2018, 12:29:39 pm
There's also a preview of Bomb Rush Blush from Splatoon on the music section (https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html) now too.
Oh, hi there, Tomoya Ohtani.
How long until he also jumps ship from Sega to Nintendo like the Unleashed and Generations guys?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 22, 2018, 03:26:56 am
Nothing particularly special in today's blog update.  Just a quick highlight of Link.  There is one bit about how they've tweaked his neutral b;  Arrows that fail to hit an enemy can be picked up, like in BotW.

With all these changes they're making to base Link, and since his two clones have different movesets, I'm kinda wondering if they'd make an echo fighter with his original toolkit for the players who mained him before.  Maybe Linkle?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 22, 2018, 03:35:28 am
Linkle didn't get a sword, did she?  Maybe I'm remembering Hyrule Warriors wrong, been a while since I booted up my Wii U, but she had crossbows and, uh, shoes.

I suggested a while ago when the original teaser trailer dropped, but I think it would be neat if they keep Breath of the Wild's version named Link, since he actually is referred to as such in-canon, and a replacement for the previous playstyle be the OoT version called Hero of Time.  Except back then, we had no idea about Young Link being in, who IS the Hero of Time, so....Twilight Princess Hero of Twilight version, then?  Got the model from Smash 4 already.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 22, 2018, 03:52:40 am
She didn't, but Sakurai's made weirder clones work.  The important thing is that it wouldn't look out of place for Linkle to be using Link's moves, even if she never used them before Smash.

Before someone else calls it out, I should probably clarify that I don't necessarily want a 4th Link variation;  I'm just spitballing a hypothetical.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: LunchPolice aka Quack on June 22, 2018, 02:14:42 pm
so....Twilight Princess Hero of Twilight version, then?  Got the model from Smash 4 already.

Oof, no thanks. Link's model in Smash 4 is awful :jackie:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 23, 2018, 01:25:25 am
...It was?  You would be the first to my recollection that had any dispute with it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: morbidjoe on June 23, 2018, 02:07:31 am
Wondering if there going to add geno or just use a mii fighter version again, and maybe bubsy just to piss a few people off jk, maybe they'll add another fire emblem character they always usually do add one to the roster in each smash
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 23, 2018, 04:29:35 am
They actually have more of a habit of adding more than a single individual Fire Emblem character, only adding one when it came to Brawl and Ike.  I would imagine it that they spent their chance for this game too early however with Corrin, especially as Sakurai mentioned how he proposed this new Smash in the middle of the DLC last game, so the work cycle to them already had a new fighter to them.  As for if that was the best move in the long run, since I'm not a fan of the series to begin with but I heard dwindling returns from the series after the Ike game revived it and Corrin's game was mediocre....well, it's already said and done, Corrin's done and in.  But I don't take much stock in a brand new Fire Emblem character in this game's base roster.  DLC however is another deal, at which point I'm sure there will be talks about the Switch Fire Emblem character(s) showing up.

Geno probably has his highest probability chance of showing up now than before, since we know Nintendo kept their ties to Square with Cloud showing up, people still requesting the guy rather highly with Sakurai desiring the character as well, and with the likes of Ridley getting in and their willingness to put in the effort to make such an unusual request fulfilled.  Yeah, different scenarios between the two character, just saying I would not be surprised if Geno's among the few newcomers still to be shown this game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 23, 2018, 02:34:06 pm


Neat little fanmade thing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 23, 2018, 03:53:34 pm
Weren't the Chorus Kids originally planed for Sm4sh?  They were in one of the old leaks along with Shulk and Palutena.  Since this one's being built on the bones of the Wii U version, maybe Sakurai will finish them up.

Man, I'd kill for there even to be just a Rhythm Heaven stage, just for all of the incredible (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bgjClLrzDQ) music (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8YUoKCdQoY) they'd get to put in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on June 25, 2018, 02:07:28 pm
I'd kill even more for at least a Panel de Pon stage. Also, DasVergeben's leak better be real, because I want Simon Belmont to complete the Captain N assemble.
Also, I'd love Rex & Pyra from Xenoblade 2 or Spring Man from ARMS or Tapu Koko from Pokémon Sun/Moon.
And please, at least bring back Isaac from Golden Sun as an assist trophy.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: The Street Fighter on June 25, 2018, 02:50:31 pm
Yeah, ANYTHING Panel De Pon would be amazing! Lip is my second most wanted character.

Also, here is a video with her on second place. I think this guy got some good views.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on June 26, 2018, 06:10:56 am
I have a question that might be controversial:

Does anyone think that Super Smash Bros Ultimate is getting to the point of having too many characters (as absurd the idea is)? I meant, I have been told that this game will have the highest amount of characters in its roaster of any fighting game barring some MUGEN collections. This sounds nice, but who would have time to play all of them? I fear that, to many people, having a bigger roaster just means having a bigger pool of punching bags to choose from while they main a half dozen characters at most. There's also a balance issue that will arise with a roaster this big. Balance is not as big of a concern with MUGEN, but it will be relevant for Smash, especially with its meta scene being highly competitive. I estimate that there will be many balance changes over the life-span of the game...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on June 26, 2018, 06:23:06 am
I don’t really a see it as a problem. Balancing will always be an issue, but I don’t think having this many characters is overwhelming. Besides, it’s not like Sakurai is just going throw all of these characters on people’s faces, you pretty much have to unlock 75% of the roster.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 26, 2018, 06:29:08 am
...Why spoil the whole roster if we still have to unlock them?

Also, since when is having a tong of punching bags a bad thing? I stock my Mugen like that as well.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on June 26, 2018, 06:31:50 am
This concern had been voiced previously by others during the Smash 4 era.

On the idea that players likely won't be playing every character, I'd say that's completely fine.  There will be characters with playstyles that turn some players off from them while there be a set of other characters with playstyles that "speak to them" (and may even exclusively play only them).  This is present in other fighting games to, especially in ones where learning a new character is much more difficult.  A player won't always play every character, but more characters means they get to experience a lot more different match-ups.

Balance is definitely an important factor though.  More characters with different kits means more match ups that need to be considered and balanced.  But I think this issue will always be present in fighting games.  I think as long as the dev team keeps on top of tournament results, they make balance changes throughout Smash 5's lifetime.  (I specifically say tournament results, and not all balance feedback in general because I genuinely don't want them to be listening to "balance" feedback from the general public.  They sorta did that for Smash 4, and we all know how that turned out for characters like Little Mac.)

On a side note, I'd love it if Lip gets in as a playable character.  I've been starved for a new Puzzle League/Panel de Pon game and I'm convinced that Lip getting into Smash would be the only way it could happen... But I've long accepted that she's not getting in.  If Takamaru was rejected for being to obscure to the West, there's no way Lip could pass that test.  That's why I've pretty much stopped caring what newcomers get in... or even how many.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 26, 2018, 06:34:59 am
Not at all.  You mistake the size of the roster to proclaim that you, as per some requirement, are to play them all.  I think it's fine Animal Crossing and Fire Emblem fans got something last game to talk about, but beyond Marth and Roy initially, I haven't touched any of them at all.  I mean, of the current 68 character roster, 18 of them I simply have no desire to play nor do I plan to.  You are allowed to simply just do you.  More additions however allow greater variety and more fresh faces to attract other fandoms in.

Worrying about balance is why they have a team there specifically there to worry about it.  They get fan feedback consistently as we saw with Smash 4, and are able to send out patches easily with everything just being online now to tweak things around.  This isn't a small team of amateurs working on this after all.  And expecting patches is not a bad thing.  Arguably, it's a good thing for the company and fans, giving them more to work on and keeping them in work, while altering the game so it's just right for the players.

In short, chill.  Anything clearly broken will be dealt with, otherwise they know what they're doing.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 26, 2018, 06:40:04 am
Lucky, you only have 18 you don't want, and I got no one to use in this game.

They killed Mario off, and gave him the Wedding costume, and he still has FLUDD and his Brawl voice. Kirby looks greatly buffed. Perhaps there's that, but he dies too fast...

Also "they know what they're doing"? Uh, Cloud, Bayonetta, Pac-Man, and Falco.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 26, 2018, 06:42:56 am
Dude, don't care about the actual stats.  It's a party game masquerading as a fighting game, with enough going for it that it can pass as one when some rules are set down.  Pick a character you like.  I do doubt you do not like a single character in Nintendo's vast, broad history.  And I get being miffed at some design aspects, we were talking before about Zelda being swapped to A Link Between Worlds/A Link To The Past, and how somehow Nintendo still doesn't want to move on from Other M to represent Metroid, but they're still the characters you enjoy there.

If I cared about stats or ranking or that nonsense, I wouldn't be revisiting Smash Wii U currently trying to figure out how Duck Hunt even works so I can play him in Ultimate.

Also "they know what they're doing"? Uh, Cloud, Bayonetta, Pac-Man, and Falco.
Elaborate what you're even talking about, or you're just talking gibberish.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 26, 2018, 06:49:43 am
I mean, I like Mario. But he doesn't Cap Throw as an attack, he doesn't Ground Pound, he generally doesn't jump like he does in the games... So it's pretty much not Mario. And he's the only Nintendo series I still enjoy to this day, I've moved onto Mugen characters otherwise.

Also, Cloud and Bayonetta = Extremely broken.

Pac-Man = So glitchy it feels like he's a character from Smash Flash 1.

Falco = Bottom tier and underpowered.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on June 26, 2018, 06:53:25 am
Have you not seen the Cloud and Bayo nerfs in 5?  (Granted Bayo looks like she might still be a problem atm, but seems like the team's working on it.)

What do you mean by Pac Man being glitchy?  The only thing that could possibly be considered a "glitch" at this point is his worthless grab, which has gotten buffs in 5.  Any actual glitch got fixed through patches.

The other changes we've seen in Smash 5 so far seems promising in regards to character buffs. 

If I cared about stats or ranking or that nonsense, I wouldn't be revisiting Smash Wii U currently trying to figure out how Duck Hunt even works so I can play him in Ultimate.

It's fine to play competitively while still running a character you enjoy, even if they're not that good.  Choosing a top tier character is dandy and all, but unless one's striving to compete on ZeRo's level, they might not enjoy the game as much compared to if they'd play a character they truely enjoy.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 26, 2018, 06:59:56 am
Nah. Didn't look at their reveals at all. Pac was just poorly made in general in 4, especially going by what modders have said looking at his data...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on June 26, 2018, 07:01:59 am
Any specific examples for Pac Man?
The only thing that I can think of that's outright awfully made is his grab.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 26, 2018, 07:14:06 am
They had said his frame data, specifically his aerials, and hitboxes, like his side-special... His Final Smash was terrible in 4. His smash attacks were weak and slow, that old up-tilt was awful, thankfully they... Made it an uppercut by the looks of things.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on June 26, 2018, 07:18:09 am
I wouldn't take him seriously. He has a history of not making any sense.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 26, 2018, 07:23:05 am
I reiterate.
Dude, don't care about the actual stats.  It's a party game masquerading as a fighting game, with enough going for it that it can pass as one when some rules are set down.  Pick a character you like.
Seriously, if the worst you can place on Mario is that his jump is not frame-for-frame perfect to Super Mario games and that he doesn't carry over possession-based abilities from Odyssey, which would clearly be broken, you're looking at the game wrong.  He looks like Mario, he acts like Mario, it's Mario.  You even got a Doctor variant for previous Smash players.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 26, 2018, 07:38:04 am
My main issue with Mario in Smash is FLUDD and Mario Finale. The rest was just nitpicking, even by my standards. Yes, I can just turn off Smash Balls and not press Down-B, but that doesn't mean they're not there.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 26, 2018, 11:00:00 am
But what is your issue with those moves? FLUDD may have only appeared as an integral character in one game, but it at least gives him something unique over Luigi and Dr. Mario's lariats, plus it has its use as a pretty good edgeguarding tool (though maybe less so in Ultimate with the (re)introduction of directional air dodges). If your issue with Mario Finale is that Mario has never used such in his games, the same can be said for a fair few Final Smashes.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 26, 2018, 12:41:51 pm
Pac was just poorly made in general in 4, especially going by what modders have said looking at his data...

So this isn't an opinion you arrived at yourself, you're just parroting what you heard other people say about frame data and are passing it off as if you know what you're talking about?  Gotcha.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 26, 2018, 09:51:49 pm
Technically, I figured it out by how lacking in aerial tools or power he is. Some consider it an intentional weakness, but he doesn't even have a "true" spike or anything that sends the opponent downwards aside from one custom and one part of that silly trampoline.

I never liked FLUDD because Brawl was my first Smash game. And there, FLUDD was completely worthless. You could clash with the water, effectively ruining it's only intended purpose. I never got used to it in 4, it always felt too whack and "dirty". My main issue with Mario Finale is, again, it was worthless in Brawl. It's much easier to get used to unlike FLUDD though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on June 26, 2018, 10:24:03 pm
Sounds like all your complaints about this game are based on a completely different game from ten years ago.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on June 26, 2018, 10:31:07 pm
Eh, good point. Now that I know what Pac-Man does, I have nothing to lose from trying this out on it's own merits, I suppose.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on June 26, 2018, 11:21:05 pm
I have no trouble with the large number of characters in a fighting game. Sure I have favorites but it really doesn't hurt to give every available fighter a try and that's what I like to do in Smash, thanks to the Random option. It allowed me to experience how the character fights and how to unleash their potential in the best of my ability as possible.

@MR. IBZS II 
Now I don't understand the issue you have with some fighters just because they don't have stuff brought over from their games. So what if Mario can't damage enemies by simply jumping on them or throwing Cappy to control someone (which will be super broken by Smash standards). It's pretty cool to see that Mario and Luigi can actually fire a fireball WITHOUT the help of a Fire Flower. As for Mario Finale, it's quite unique to Mario cuz you don't see him doing the cool moves he does in Smash in the other games, do you?

I don't know about Cloud but I think Bayo won't be able to be as broken in Ultimate as she was in 4 cuz I read what possible nerfs were done on her regarding her combo tactics. Also noticed Fox might've been nerfed as well since his Dtilt and Ground Fox Illusion have more end lag, leaving him more open if he misses or gets blocked. Fox's my main in 4 and he'll be my main in Ultimate until I unlock Wolf.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 26, 2018, 11:57:01 pm
Bayo's definitely getting nerfed.  During the invitational one of the players literally carried the opponent to the blast zone at the top of the screen with a single combo and Sakurai shook his head and just said "this isn't the final build."
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 27, 2018, 02:22:07 am
Top players who got to play Ultimate at E3 have gone as far as saying Cloud is now bad, if that means anything.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 27, 2018, 03:11:47 am
New music track, Noisy Notebook from Snipperclips:

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on June 27, 2018, 09:40:13 am
Ayy. I've never played it, but it's nice to see it get some representation in Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 27, 2018, 11:54:38 pm
There's also some new screenshots of the Sukapon assist trophy

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 28, 2018, 12:17:00 am
i've never heard of sukapon until i've looked it up and he's from the famicom game called joy mech fight, it's fighting game where you play as 8 robots and according to sukapon, he's the comedy robot, he once appeared as a sticker in brawl and both the menu and character select theme are part of the famicom medley theme from brawl as well
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 29, 2018, 01:23:17 am
Solgaleo and Lunala pokeballs:

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 29, 2018, 01:57:23 am
they got the cosmic duo in on this
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on June 30, 2018, 12:00:23 am
There's a new blog post, but it doesn't really cover anything we don't already know.

Quote
6/28/2018
Today's Fighter
#02: Donkey Kong
His charged punch is one of the strongest attacks in the game! In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, his Final Smash has been updated from Konga Beat to a flurry of punches!

So instead, here's a much more important news update from today; a new Waluigi song.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on June 30, 2018, 12:40:12 am
Brawl in the Family's version of Waluigi is objectively the best version.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on June 30, 2018, 02:01:43 am
Brawl in the Family's version of Waluigi is objectively the best version.

Wrong. Mario Strikers Charged Waluigi is the best version... only because he does the crotch chop. Other then that, he's better served being a whipping boy for the Mario cast.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on June 30, 2018, 02:15:45 am
There's a new blog post, but it doesn't really cover anything we don't already know.

[quote ]6/28/2018
Today's Fighter
#02: Donkey Kong
His charged punch is one of the strongest attacks in the game! In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, his Final Smash has been updated from Konga Beat to a flurry of punches!

yes you heard that right, donkey kong's final smash here is clearly ripping off star platinum's ora ora punches from stardust crusaders

same goes for little mac of course
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on June 30, 2018, 04:01:10 am
Bayo's definitely getting nerfed.  During the invitational one of the players literally carried the opponent to the blast zone at the top of the screen with a single combo and Sakurai shook his head and just said "this isn't the final build."

Was that the one with Bayonetta and Ridley? That was a hard one to watch.  :jackie:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 01, 2018, 01:34:18 pm
yes you heard that right, donkey kong's final smash here is clearly ripping off star platinum's ora ora punches from stardust crusaders

I'm fairly certain that Donkey Kong's Final Smash is inspired from Donkey Kong Jungle Beat.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on July 01, 2018, 03:06:38 pm
yes you heard that right, donkey kong's final smash here is clearly ripping off star platinum's ora ora punches from stardust crusaders

same goes for little mac of course
No.
Just...NO!
I won't even tell you WHAT you did wrong, because what you did wrong should be pretty fucking obvious, and if you don't know what you did wrong, then honestly, I don't think you even have a brain!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 02, 2018, 01:22:44 am
Donkey Kong's Final Smash is based off his finishing move from Jungle Beat and they changed Little Mac's to just an auto-combo since it's been long confirmed transformation Final Smashes no longer allow control till the Final Smash's over.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on July 02, 2018, 01:35:11 am
Shoulda used Rambi like Crusade did.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 02, 2018, 02:13:33 am
Stop bringing up random obscure fan games like they actually matter to Smash Ultimate's development.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on July 02, 2018, 03:43:53 am
I'm fairly certain that Donkey Kong's Final Smash is inspired from Donkey Kong Jungle Beat.

They shoulda based it on the beatdowns he gives the bosses in Returns and Tropical Freeze.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 02, 2018, 04:46:40 am
I'm fairly certain that Donkey Kong's Final Smash is inspired from Donkey Kong Jungle Beat.

They shoulda based it on the beatdowns he gives the bosses in Returns and Tropical Freeze.



the one where you rapidly push buttons to finish bosses? yeah it would've been better
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on July 02, 2018, 05:17:03 am
Stop bringing up random obscure fan games like they actually matter to Smash Ultimate's development.

The subject was supposed to be Rambi FS, my bad...

That beatdown idea is real cool. Mash buttons enough and maybe it can instakill enemies like Bayonetta's FS? I can't believe I like the Kongo Bongos now...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on July 02, 2018, 10:22:10 am
Stop bringing up random obscure fan games like they actually matter to Smash Ultimate's development.

The subject was supposed to be Rambi FS, my bad...

That beatdown idea is real cool. Mash buttons enough and maybe it can instakill enemies like Bayonetta's FS? I can't believe I like the Kongo Bongos now...
a Rambi Final Smash would be neat, but NOT like how Super Trash Bros Crusade did.
Especially considering how Smash Bros Ultimate removes all transformation Final Smashes.
So...if it was a Rambi Final Smash, it would be just Donkey Kong riding on Rambi and automatically charging forward across the screen, launching anyone hit by Rambi, before returning to the starting position.
In other words, Ganondorf's Final Smash, but with a smaller hitbox (and maybe greater damage output and launch power or a faster charge forward to compensate).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 02, 2018, 11:36:34 pm
Nipples the Enchilada assist trophy:

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/48_1.jpg)
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/48_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on July 02, 2018, 11:42:38 pm
Smash Bros. Ultimate blog & Knuckles would have been better.

Wow, his hands viewed directly face forward look...weird..  I don't even know how to describe it, other than N64 block-ish?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on July 03, 2018, 04:23:22 am
So he basically replaces the Little Mac assist? I still have nightmares of Brawl assist Mac...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 03, 2018, 04:50:34 am
except Knuckles can be KO'd.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on July 03, 2018, 05:25:22 am
Technically, Little Mac can too.

Can you beat Sukapon, Midna, the Pac-Man ghosts, and Pong? Pong was the worst offender in the bunch. And that teleporting guy who can reflect projectiles.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on July 03, 2018, 09:35:50 am
One of the character gameplay previews showed Sukapon getting GRABBED and THROWN by Rob.  It's actually pretty impressive with the work they're putting into assists this time around.

I honestly kinda wish we could attack some of the Pokemon too.  Some of the newer ones in Smash 4 basically behaved like glorified assist trophies.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on July 03, 2018, 02:51:28 pm
I mean...Pokéball Pokémon were always kinda like assist trophies, but limited to Pokémon only
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 04, 2018, 12:02:10 am
There are a whole bunch of assist trophies that can be KO'd such as Lyn, Knuckles, Krystal, Sukapon, Hammer Bro and Samurai Goroh. Of course, some like the Nintendogs, Andross, Jeff, the Pac-Man Ghosts and Riki can't.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on July 04, 2018, 12:10:07 am
Why can't you defeat the ghosts? Ugggh... Or reflect Andross' tiles? Or stop Jeff since his missiles are a bit much? I'm allowed to hit Duck Hunt, why can't I hit the Nintendog? Sheesh.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 04, 2018, 12:27:15 am
The Nintendogs block the screen during the fight, and the Pac-Man ghosts aren't hittable like their game of origin and there's no Power Pellet for you to strike them down with. Andross goes to the back of the stage and shoots projectiles so I don't know if they could be deflected. Not sure if Jeff's missiles could be deflected.
Also, why would you hit a real-life replica of a dog?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on July 04, 2018, 12:30:27 am
Well obviously he's a cat person.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on July 04, 2018, 12:34:15 am
Now they want to be accurate to games? Pac-Man's Side-B couldn't eat the ghosts in 4.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on July 04, 2018, 01:49:02 am
Why can't you defeat the ghosts? Ugggh... Or reflect Andross' tiles? Or stop Jeff since his missiles are a bit much? I'm allowed to hit Duck Hunt, why can't I hit the Nintendog? Sheesh.

Nintendogs being attackable would immediately make them the worst assist trophy.  Imagine them getting bullied by other players with their huge ass hitbox, and losing a stock. (Yes, they've said on stream that KO'd assists give points and TAKES STOCKS.)

Honestly, other than the ghosts, the assist trophies you've mentioned are hardly a problem.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 04, 2018, 03:25:22 am
Wait... you mean if you're playing stock matches and if your assist striker gets killed... YOU LOSE A LIFE!? So what will happen if you have only 1 life left and your assist striker gets killed, you die with them!?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 04, 2018, 03:30:58 am
Why can't you defeat the ghosts? Ugggh... Or reflect Andross' tiles? Or stop Jeff since his missiles are a bit much? I'm allowed to hit Duck Hunt, why can't I hit the Nintendog? Sheesh.
The distinction seems to be that assist trophies that linger on the field and run around fighting like Takamaru, Midna, and Waluigi can be attacked and killed, but ones that only do one attack/effect like Jeff and Riki, or stay in the background without directly entering the fight like Andross and the Squid Sisters can’t.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 04, 2018, 03:44:04 am
This could mean Rodin can be killed too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: The Street Fighter on July 04, 2018, 09:10:03 am
Sounds like the Ballot was rigged. This is actually shocking news!

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Walruslui on July 04, 2018, 10:02:29 am
does it really matter at this point
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on July 04, 2018, 10:09:22 am
No, no it really doesn't.

There's actually a YouTube video with "all" (read: most) of the victory animations from the demo crew. Kind of impressive actually.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on July 04, 2018, 10:53:43 am
Sorry, but THIS is the REAL news:

Man, I got hard in a second!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 04, 2018, 02:43:02 pm
Oh hey, Noriyuki Idaware.  He's done a lot of music for the Ace Attorney series. 

There's also a spotlight on the Melee Kongo Jungle stage, which has apparently been renamed Kongo Falls:

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/52_1.jpg)
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/52_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on July 04, 2018, 03:43:03 pm
I love how good that stage looks. I guess I kinda get the reasoning for changing the name, but it drives my OCD up the wall.

Oh, and they better give us the full version of the DK Rap again.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Alex Sonico on July 05, 2018, 12:43:06 am
I love how good that stage looks. I guess I kinda get the reasoning for changing the name, but it drives my OCD up the wall.

Oh, and they better give us the full version of the DK Rap again.

God please do!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 05, 2018, 04:47:07 am
Nintendo Versus on Twitter dropped a couple of screenshots of Krystal's assist trophy -

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhR5v-nWAAAecbC.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhR5whyW4AAPacx.jpg)

TBH, I am a little disappointed that Krystal is an assist trophy.  Not necessarily because I wanted to see her playable, but because now that Star Fox 2 has been officially released I was kind of hoping that Miyu and Faye would show up as the new Star Fox assists.

At least she gets to actually show up in a new game.  Nintendo seem so dead set on only ever remaking the same Star Fox game over and over and over again that who knows when we'll actually get a proper sequel for her to be in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on July 05, 2018, 05:58:23 am
I was honestly under the impression that Nintendo was trying to forget about her.  It made sense that she wasn't in Zero, but she was completely absent in the Orbital Gate stage in Smash 4.  Seeing her in the trailers kinda surprised me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on July 05, 2018, 09:45:00 am
I thought Krystal appeared in one of the Orbital Gate easter eggs.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on July 05, 2018, 12:03:52 pm
I love how good that stage looks. I guess I kinda get the reasoning for changing the name, but it drives my OCD up the wall.

Oh, and they better give us the full version of the DK Rap again.
Considering the E3 demo had the shortened version AGAIN, I highly doubt that will happen :(
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 05, 2018, 02:02:45 pm
At least she gets to actually show up in a new game.  Nintendo seem so dead set on only ever remaking the same Star Fox game over and over and over again that who knows when we'll actually get a proper sequel for her to be in.

To be fair, people didn't like Star Fox Adventures for too much "Zelda feel" or that one Jon Tron video, and Star Fox Assault for going making Fox, once again battle on the ground and being too short and/or no other hidden paths like the past games. (I liked both games just fine, except that one segment where I forgot about the Mary Canary technique in Banjo-Tooie.)

Edit: Also, screw Panther. Screw him hard.

I thought Krystal appeared in one of the Orbital Gate easter eggs.

You are correct.



Starting at 0:45.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 05, 2018, 04:14:30 pm
It’s not so much about whether or not people liked Adventures or Assault, it’s that they keep just doing the exact same game.   Not counting 2, there have been seven Star Fox games.  Of those seven, four of them are different versions of the same game.  64 was a remake of the SNES original, and then they remade that for 3DS.  Then Zero was a reboot, which again was just the exact same story and procession as the original.  Adventures, Assault, and Command are the only Star Fox games that actually progress the story in any way.

Also you shut your mouth about Panther.  He’s the greatest.  Loads better than that whiny Oikonny asshole.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 05, 2018, 04:36:02 pm
Also you shut your mouth about Panther.  He’s the greatest.  Loads better than that whiny Oikonny asshole.

I haven't played Command, so I can't really speak for that. But, if we're talking Assault, I like Panther's design, first time seeing him. What I don't like is his personality, which can be summed up in the first encounter. "Let me take down this one person in this group of people that my boss hates so much. Wait? That's a woman? Let me flirt with her constantly." Though, I will admit, Andrew was dumb in that game too, though he did get his "UNCLE ANDROSS!" in.

Edit: Maybe my hate is justified on the fact that there's no 4th member of the group, like Pigma. If he had stayed on the team in that, and Oikonny would've been the one that got corrupted by the Aparoids in that game, then maybe I'd like him more.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on July 05, 2018, 06:41:02 pm
I thought Krystal appeared in one of the Orbital Gate easter eggs.

You are correct.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWOttZmHhcA[/youtube]

Starting at 0:45.
That's Lylat Cruise, not Orbital Gate.
They had the Star Fox 64 crew during the Orbital Gate Smash Taunts, but Krystal was completely missing despite being present in the original game of that stage.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 05, 2018, 11:24:25 pm
Also you shut your mouth about Panther.  He’s the greatest.  Loads better than that whiny Oikonny asshole.

I haven't played Command, so I can't really speak for that. But, if we're talking Assault, I like Panther's design, first time seeing him. What I don't like is his personality, which can be summed up in the first encounter. "Let me take down this one person in this group of people that my boss hates so much. Wait? That's a woman? Let me flirt with her constantly." Though, I will admit, Andrew was dumb in that game too, though he did get his "UNCLE ANDROSS!" in.

Edit: Maybe my hate is justified on the fact that there's no 4th member of the group, like Pigma. If he had stayed on the team in that, and Oikonny would've been the one that got corrupted by the Aparoids in that game, then maybe I'd like him more.

I mean hey, it worked for him.  In Command Krystal totally dumps Fox and joins Star Wolf to hook up with Panther. 

But I think we're getting off topic.  Who's up for another bullshit 4chan leak?

Spoiler: It's funny how dumb this is (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NamelessOnlinePlayer on July 05, 2018, 11:45:06 pm
I'll say it now: any "leak" that has Decidueye in is an insta-fake to me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on July 05, 2018, 11:46:08 pm
AWW SHIET WE'RE FINALLY GETTING THE KING FROM THE ZELDA CDI GAMES /s
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on July 06, 2018, 03:26:28 am
Ok, if it wasn't for the fact that Ridley was already shown off in the game, I would say "Prime Ribs" is the most stupidly silly/awesome nickname one could give him, with that anorexic chest of his having his rib cage jutting out.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on July 06, 2018, 04:17:38 am
Krystal being in Smash might have been nice, but she really haven't appeared in a game properly for many years now, and with Nintendo refusing to move past the end of Star Fox 64 as a setting, she might not appear properly for quite a while.

On the topic of the most recent Smash leaks, I'll wait until I get further conformation like all other leaks I have heard about.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 07, 2018, 03:13:54 pm
Ok, if it wasn't for the fact that Ridley was already shown off in the game, I would say "Prime Ribs" is the most stupidly silly/awesome nickname one could give him, with that anorexic chest of his having his rib cage jutting out.

"Prime ribs" is actually the default favorite food of Ninten in Mother 1, so I'm assuming that's who it's referring to.

I could see Ninten working as an echo fighter of Ness, but the'd have to give him a major redesign since in his official artwork they're completely identical.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Slivern on July 08, 2018, 03:50:27 am
That is actually an interesting note. I appreciate more Earthbound characters.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/metroid/images/7/7d/Mprime2_DarkSamus.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20130406130407)

We got some "ribs" on Dark Samus's corrupted Phazon Suit in Metroid Prime 2 as well. (In fact the old Phazon Suit is kind of like Dark Samus's skeleton while her suit in Prime 3 is like her crustacean exterior.)

And since Dark Samus was "Metroid Prime" before...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 08, 2018, 10:32:35 pm
Sheik's new Final Smash is basically a Shun Goku Satsu with the sheikah symbol replacing the kanji.



FS is as 1:50
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on July 08, 2018, 11:25:14 pm
Maybe not full Shun Goku Satsu, more like Guy's Bushin Musou Renge (SFA3) in Sheik:

Spoiler: Fast forward to 2:28 (click to see content)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mazemerald. on July 08, 2018, 11:36:00 pm
it looks very interesting.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on July 10, 2018, 01:10:34 am
It'll be nice when the game comes out and people start to get good with Ridley. Every time I see a video with him in it, he gets completely wrecked.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: GTAguy on July 10, 2018, 08:27:02 am


A new direct is coming. Either Simon or a brand new fighter.

Update: It's a tournament, not a direct. Dang it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 10, 2018, 06:31:00 pm
i can't wait for that to happen
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 11, 2018, 03:46:12 am
And for this week's music track we have a Mega Man 4 medley by Crush 40.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 11, 2018, 03:52:07 am
omg the band behind open your heart and live and learn is doing a mega man medley?! awesome
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NamelessOnlinePlayer on July 11, 2018, 06:07:45 am
omg the band behind open your heart and live and learn is doing a mega man medley?! awesome

Nope. Composer is actually Jun Senoue.

Also, ignore that post about a Direct coming next monday, it's just a stream for a tournament.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: GTAguy on July 11, 2018, 07:39:48 am
Also, ignore that post about a Direct coming next monday, it's just a stream for a tournament.

Fixed my post. Too good to be true.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jesuszilla on July 11, 2018, 12:31:02 pm
I wouldn't expect any new announcements for characters until at least mid-August or September.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 11, 2018, 01:12:23 pm
We may get an echo fighter in the blog updates, since they're being treated differently than full-on newcomers, but yeah it's too soon for a new character trailer.

Also, there's a new shot of the Alolan Raichu pokeball up on the blog today.
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/63_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on July 11, 2018, 02:23:56 pm
When I first saw that screenshot at serebii, I thought it was related to Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee until I read the description.

Model looks very great.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 11, 2018, 02:33:44 pm
We may get an echo fighter in the blog updates, since they're being treated differently than full-on newcomers, but yeah it's too soon for a new character trailer.

Also, there's a new shot of the Alolan Raichu pokeball up on the blog today.
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/63_1.jpg)

oh yeah hau's main pokemon is here
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on July 11, 2018, 03:01:21 pm
I thought his main Pokemon was the starter weak against the protagonist's starter.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 11, 2018, 05:01:23 pm
I thought his main Pokemon was the starter weak against the protagonist's starter.

well he always sends out his alolan raichu first
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 12, 2018, 12:06:39 am
doesn't mean it's his main. His main one is the starter the player's starter is strong against.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 12, 2018, 12:45:05 am
doesn't mean it's his main. His main one is the starter the player's starter is strong against.

got it

sorry
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 12, 2018, 01:11:05 pm
The first wave of Smash Ultimate amiibo will launch alongside the game on 12/7 and include Inkling, Ridley, and Wolf (https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1017227109541076992).

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dh3qqFnX4AE0pQ5.jpg)

Ooh, that looks good.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 12, 2018, 02:40:26 pm
The first wave of Smash Ultimate amiibo will launch alongside the game on 12/7 and include Inkling, Ridley, and Wolf (https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1017227109541076992).

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dh3qqFnX4AE0pQ5.jpg)

Ooh, that looks good.

indeed it does

they look so cool
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on July 13, 2018, 12:21:10 am
I'm definitely getting that Amiibo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on July 14, 2018, 05:23:47 pm
New Smash Bros livestream announced:

yes, NEW livestream, because the one on July 16th is still happening
and that sparks speculation, of course: https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/8ycvzs/nintendo_direct_for_july_22nd_leaked_with_evidence/
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: The Street Fighter on July 15, 2018, 07:58:44 am
I wish to watch them both, but it's like 4 AM here ... I guess my insomnia will be the judge of this.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 17, 2018, 12:37:48 pm
Moray Towers stage on the blog today.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 17, 2018, 06:33:28 pm
There is no livestream on the 22nd.  Just fake leakers making shit up.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on July 17, 2018, 06:36:06 pm
New Smash Bros livestream announced:
[youtube]https://youtu.be/XHkJGV5UeiQ[/youtube]
yes, NEW livestream, because the one on July 16th is still happening
and that sparks speculation, of course: https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/8ycvzs/nintendo_direct_for_july_22nd_leaked_with_evidence/

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 17, 2018, 06:41:50 pm
^ I call bullshit until proven otherwise.  Ignoring the fact that there is WAY too much in that "leak" to fit into a single 30 minute direct, it's completely overstuffed with fan service wish fulfillment.  If even half of the stuff on it was real it'd have been announced at E3, if not by Nintendo then by any of the other companies involved.

Besides, any leak that includes Mother 3 getting localized, let alone remade, can be safely regarded as bullshit.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on July 17, 2018, 06:45:56 pm
Yeah most likely it is not a Direct.  Nintendo's SDCC presence also ends on the 22nd, so I just assume that they're going to be running dual events at oth SDCC and Japan, not any new announcements. 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 18, 2018, 03:40:52 am
I'M STIIIIIIIIIIILL IN A DREEEEEEEEEEEEEEAM!

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 19, 2018, 03:14:22 am


on today's blog we have bowser jr. and the koopalings

Quote
The Jr. Clown Car this little fella rides in takes less damage when attacked than Bowser Jr. himself—so try to stay in the car when taking damage. The different color variations are the Koopalings!

also his final smash is the same one from the previous game: just having either bowser jr. or one of the koopalings turn into shadow mario but in a metal palette and paint an x on it
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on July 19, 2018, 03:28:25 pm
There is no livestream on the 22nd.  Just fake leakers making shit up.
if there's no livestream on the 22nd, then what's this?

It clearly says July 22nd.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 19, 2018, 04:15:04 pm
There’s a tournament event being held in Osaka on the 22nd.  They’re streaming that, not a Direct.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on July 19, 2018, 08:15:59 pm
To be fair, no one here has explicitly said it's going to be a direct.  Only the reddit link itself has that.
People can speculate, but I think anyone hoping new Smash news is going to appear there is being too hopeful.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 20, 2018, 04:09:06 am
Bewear pokeball on the blog today.

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/74_1.jpg)
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/74_2.jpg)

I always thought this guy looked like a big cocktail weenie.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 20, 2018, 04:15:28 am
ah yes one of two of team rocket's pokemon in the sun and moon anime makes an appearance

he does the uppercut move what's it called sky uppercut?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on July 20, 2018, 11:08:44 am
(https://i.imgur.com/MJJFAmR.png)
Looks a little off.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NamelessOnlinePlayer on July 21, 2018, 05:24:49 am
Don't know why am I entertaining this, maybe because of how funny the error in this fake leak is. This one comes from GameFAQs:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on July 21, 2018, 05:46:26 am
Ayumi was actually considered for Super Smash Bros. Brawl, but she was rejected due to lack of relevance outside of Japan (her series origin, Famicon Detective Club was a Japan-only release for the Nintendo Famicon Disk System, dem floppy disks). She would eventually appear in the game as a trophy collectible. Don't see her making the roster.

Heihachi may get in because of its DLC costume for the Mii Brawler in Super Smash Bros. 4, something of a make good.

King K. Rool is a very interesting case. Is he the property of Nintendo or Rare? Rare now works with Microsoft for XBOX games, making this former company a rival to Nintendo now. Had Rare remained a partner with Nintendo instead of moving on in 2002, not only would K. Rool have made it, so would have a representative from Killer Instinct. Adding on to it, Midway partnered with Nintendo and Rare for the arcade versions - would we have seen somebody from Mortal Kombat invade Smash as a sort of thank you, even though Mortal Kombat has something of a shaky history with Nintendo due to the debut of fatalities? But we're getting way ahead of ourselves. The point I'm trying to make is, the Kremlings in general have not seen a return in anything Donkey Kong related ever since Rare left Nintendo.

That's my thoughts on a few of the leaks. Until Nintendo releases a blog post or new trailer, we're just spectators speculating a shady spectacle.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Seadragon77 on July 21, 2018, 06:32:43 am
I've always thought that The Kremlings (and King K. Rool) are Nintendo property since they were in a Donkey Kong game. Also, King K. Rool has been highly requested to be in... at least as far as I know.

Heihachi wouldn't be a bad idea to put in, especially since he has experience in these kind of games. Travis Touchdown, on the other hand... it's a catch 22 of big time proportions. No More Heroes has made it's home on Nintendo systems, so he would fit in that sense... but, it's a Mature rated series. Granted, that didn't stop Bayonetta from getting in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on July 21, 2018, 06:46:31 am
Don't know why am I entertaining this, maybe because of how funny the error in this fake leak is. This one comes from GameFAQs:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Look, I usually don't go "LOL THIS IS FUCKING FAKE THE GUY WHO MADE THIS SHOULD KYS" when discussing leaks because:

1. That makes me sound like an anonymous asshole from 4Chan.

2. I might be proven wrong, making my comment even more idiotic looking.

But... even if K. Rool and Heihachi actually get in (I personally think they have a good chance), this "leak" is obviously faked. The pictures gave it away immediately.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on July 21, 2018, 07:06:49 am
That's not a typo, his name is written as König (German word for King) K. Rool.  I would be more inclined to point out how poor quality the portrait renders are.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on July 21, 2018, 02:02:50 pm
I think King K. Rool is owned by Nintendo, considering the last appearances he had was I believe Mario Baseball Sluggers and DK Barrel Blast. It was thanks to Playtonic Games that the costume for Mii Brawler was brought to Smash 4 in the first place. So, I'd say they own the rights to him, unless Nintendo could probably buy the rights to him, which wouldn't be a problem.

As for Heihachi, it'd probably make sense to have his younger self rather than his old self for his portrayal, like in PlayStation All-Stars. But, yeah, they could make a better logo than just "Tekken". Ryu's got that stylish "SF" which makes sense, so would a fist be good for Heihachi?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on July 21, 2018, 02:15:05 pm
All the DKC characters are owned by Nintendo. That's why you still see Diddy and the occasional Kremling.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: StevenB on July 21, 2018, 02:37:44 pm
I think King K. Rool is owned by Nintendo, considering the last appearances he had was I believe Mario Baseball Sluggers and DK Barrel Blast. It was thanks to Playtonic Games that the costume for Mii Brawler was brought to Smash 4 in the first place. So, I'd say they own the rights to him, unless Nintendo could probably buy the rights to him, which wouldn't be a problem.

As for Heihachi, it'd probably make sense to have his younger self rather than his old self for his portrayal, like in PlayStation All-Stars. But, yeah, they could make a better logo than just "Tekken". Ryu's got that stylish "SF" which makes sense, so would a fist be good for Heihachi?

Out of curiousity; why would young Heihachi make more sense? His older grey-haired look is much more interesting and unique, especially since Smash doesnt really have a 'fighting grandpa' (besides old mannondorf). It's also his most iconic look.

also I don't think anyone broght it up here but Heihachi was discussed for smash 4, the reason he didn't make it is because Sakurai has trouble fitting his movelist into Smash. Full article is on Source Gaming for those who wanna check it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on July 21, 2018, 02:48:56 pm
he does the uppercut move what's it called sky uppercut?
Hammer Arm actually.  It even slows down after impact (at least seen from the first trailer).  Nice touch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 21, 2018, 03:31:00 pm
King K. Rool is a very interesting case. Is he the property of Nintendo or Rare?

Everything Rare created for Donkey Kong belongs wholly to Nintendo.  Their original IPs like Conker and Banjo Kazooie are the only things that stayed with them when they left Nintendo.

I have my own doubts about whether or not K. Rool should be in Smash, but from a copyright perspective there's nothing stopping Nintendo from using him however they want.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: ShiroTori on July 22, 2018, 09:24:28 am
But, yeah, they could make a better logo than just "Tekken". Ryu's got that stylish "SF" which makes sense, so would a fist be good for Heihachi?

I found this logo and I think the kanji would make a fine choice for a possible playable Heihachi.

(https://img00.deviantart.net/622d/i/2017/006/a/6/tekken_logo_by_ringostarr39-dauh8f3.png)

Out of curiousity; why would young Heihachi make more sense? His older grey-haired look is much more interesting and unique, especially since Smash doesnt really have a 'fighting grandpa' (besides old mannondorf). It's also his most iconic look.

Both looks as different costumes seems like the best choice IMO.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: The Street Fighter on July 22, 2018, 05:31:22 pm
Honestly, I really hope Heihachi would be part of the game. He was on Sakurai's mind during Smash 4, and he is known to change his mind.
The only thing I require is the possibility to play Old Man, Heihachi. The "leaks"/"rumours" regarding Heihachi has all been that Young, stupid version. I don't mind if it's an alt, but I'd only use old man, Heihachi, as that's good Heihachi.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 23, 2018, 03:17:34 am
Today's entry is just about the Mii Fighters, but the way it's phrased has me wondering.

Quote
You can choose from the three types of Mii Fighter and select from a set of three specials for each type. You can also choose one of 12 voice options!

Does that mean that there's three specials for each input that you can pick from, or three predetermined sets of all 4 specials?  Customization in this game seems to be far less than what Sm4sh had, so I wonder if they're dialing the Miis back too so they can try and make them viable online.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 23, 2018, 03:25:36 am
not to mention here's what's changed for each mii fighter class since i've been wanting to talk about:

let's start with mii brawler, it has a counter attack where he slams the opponent to the other side

mii swordfighter appears to have different effects like the others

and finally mii gunner's idle stance got changed due to the previous game where the mii gunner's stance is a bit too familiar

all 3 mii fighters got their default costumes changed to be a bit more fitting than the previous game

here's a game trailer for them as well



not to mention that all mii fighters have voices now unlike the previous game where they're silent
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on July 23, 2018, 03:34:31 am
Thankful to see less silent characters if anything. Smash 4 had way too many of them, why has Game and Watch lost his K.O.d sound since Melee? Why didn't Duck Hunt just have some stock dog sounds? Pac could have had hurtsounds like in World, or at least his classic death sound.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on July 23, 2018, 03:56:47 am
Speaking of voices, I'm still wondering why Olimar and Alph are silent while they have voices in their games.
I also kinda wish Bowser, DK, and Diddy would get their voices from their original games now instead of animal grunts.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on July 23, 2018, 04:40:58 am
I'm also wondering why Square will not give Cloud his English voice.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 23, 2018, 04:42:36 am
I'm also wondering why Square will not give Cloud his English voice.

yeah his english voice sound great
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on July 23, 2018, 05:11:36 am
I hear that has to do with union restrictions on his voice actor.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on July 24, 2018, 02:53:13 am
I also kinda wish Bowser, DK, and Diddy would get their voices from their original games now instead of animal grunts.

At this point, I'd find it weird if they did have their original voices. Heck, I'm on the fence about Marth having an English voice.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on July 24, 2018, 03:23:34 am
I just like Bowser's regular voice and dislike the one they use for DK.
With characters like Marth, hopefully they'll include a voice option for certain characters like Marvel or XTag.  (And bind these options to player tags)  As opposed to having dual audio, but requiring you to change the voices for all characters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 24, 2018, 03:48:41 am
Great Plateau Tower on today's blog:

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/76_1.jpg)
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/76_2.jpg)

That tiny space underneath the top part has the potential for some crazy matches.  From what I've seen from the demos, if you can hit someone into there at high enough damage and at just the right angle, they just start getting bounced back and forth at warp speed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on July 24, 2018, 10:08:34 am
Smash them while under the platform, watch'em bounce, and tease'em for the number of techs they missed. :P
...Are stages with walls/ceilings still tourney banned?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 25, 2018, 03:40:58 am
Today's update is an F-Zero medley by Takenobu Mitsuyoshi, another Sega house musician.  Lot of Sega artists working on the soundtrack for this game, it seems.



This also marks the first time in at least 15 years that someone who works for Nintendo has acknowledged the existence of F-Zero on purpose.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on July 25, 2018, 03:59:32 am
You know, besides the time they had Captain Falcon beat up some Fire Emblem characters in their own trailer.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on July 25, 2018, 04:07:53 am
*Daytona USA intesifies*
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 25, 2018, 04:23:21 am
You know, besides the time they had Captain Falcon beat up some Fire Emblem characters in their own trailer.

I would bet money that there are people who work on these things that legitimately believe Captain Falcon is an original character for Smash Bros.  F-Zero is more dead than Mother is.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on July 25, 2018, 04:56:41 am
Those are some very hurtful comments even if they are true. >:(
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on July 25, 2018, 06:57:16 am
F-ZEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Is that the dude from Daytona USA? Neat.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: GTAguy on July 25, 2018, 07:37:40 am
That guy is amazing and has a good voice.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 25, 2018, 01:08:42 pm
There's also an update on the Peach's Castle stage from Melee and godsdamn did this stage get one hell of a graphical upgrade.

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/78_1.jpg)
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/78_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: The Street Fighter on July 25, 2018, 02:03:26 pm
Peach's castle is looking really good.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on July 25, 2018, 09:39:14 pm
When was Mario Maker, the stage confirmed for Ultimate? You would think it would have gotten hinted at during Mario's trailer, but nope...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 25, 2018, 10:04:40 pm
When was Mario Maker, the stage confirmed for Ultimate? You would think it would have gotten hinted at during Mario's trailer, but nope...

i'm hoping to see if the gamer stage returns
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on July 25, 2018, 11:05:51 pm
When was Mario Maker, the stage confirmed for Ultimate? You would think it would have gotten hinted at during Mario's trailer, but nope...
It's believed the stage shown in one of Bowser's screenshots is Mario Maker.
(https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/bowser/ss_5.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on July 26, 2018, 01:59:58 am
When was Mario Maker, the stage confirmed for Ultimate? You would think it would have gotten hinted at during Mario's trailer, but nope...
It's believed the stage shown in one of Bowser's screenshots is Mario Maker.
(https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/bowser/ss_5.jpg)

Yeah, that's definitely the Mario Maker stage... the fence is way too low-quality and flat to be from Mushroom Kingdom U! In fact, I don't even think the fence shows up in MKU at all!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on July 26, 2018, 08:00:58 am
The updated Melee stages here look freakin' amazing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on July 29, 2018, 02:16:21 pm
Since Vergeben turned out to be on the money with his last leak about Ridley, Ice Climbers, and no cuts, it's probably worth posting this new info from him (https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2018/jul/28/rumor-isabelle-animal-crossing-playable-newcomer-super-smash-bros-ultimate/) here.  He's doubling down on Simon Belmont as a newcomer, but also now claiming that Isabelle is going to be playable too.  Beyond that he states that he's not going to bother leaking any more information since the game's so close to coming out and there's only a half-dozen newcomers left anyway, including Simon and Isabelle.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on July 30, 2018, 03:25:58 am
here's today's blog it's about the last of the original 12 characters from the very first smash game who just so happens to be one of the 4 unlockables in the first game:



Quote
Today's Fighter
#12: Jigglypuff
Jigglypuff can jump 5 times in the air and can move faster in the air than on the ground. Use Jigglypuff's great aerial ability to overwhelm your opponent! If you manage to land the down special Rest, you can powerfully launch your opponent.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: RoySquadRocks on August 01, 2018, 03:19:41 am
Gotta love this Galaga remix!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 01, 2018, 03:27:47 am
that sounds way cool
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 03, 2018, 03:42:41 am
Today's entry is for the Rodin assist trophy:

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_GB/ja_JP/img/90_1.jpg)
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_GB/ja_JP/img/90_2.jpg)

Also confirming the return of Delfino Plaza, which is cool.  Brings us up to what, 85 stages now?  Jegus.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 03, 2018, 04:33:34 am
i wonder if he'll have the same english voice as from the game
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 03, 2018, 05:06:14 am
It also just occurred to me that the inclusion of Delfino Plaza is actually the first new piece of information besides music they've shown since E3.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SlySuavity on August 03, 2018, 05:08:31 am
I'll just be crossing fingers for Pokefloats.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 03, 2018, 05:24:36 am
I'll just be crossing fingers for Pokefloats.

same with gamer
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 03, 2018, 09:30:32 am
If they do include Gamer, I hope they do something with the main theme; having it be completely silent when playing on the omega form made me turn it off. Since it's such a short loop (not that 25m cares all that much), perhaps they could force it to not show up unless you're playing on the default version of the stage.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on August 03, 2018, 07:23:04 pm
If they do bring back Gamer, I hope it's renamed to "Sneaky Gamer" to match its name in WarioWare Gold.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on August 04, 2018, 03:31:04 am
Today's entry is for the Rodin assist trophy:

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_GB/ja_JP/img/90_1.jpg)
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_GB/ja_JP/img/90_2.jpg)

Also confirming the return of Delfino Plaza, which is cool.  Brings us up to what, 85 stages now?  Jegus.

Who is Rodin? Never seen him before.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 04, 2018, 03:42:35 am
Here you go. (http://bayonetta.wikia.com/wiki/Rodin)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NamelessOnlinePlayer on August 04, 2018, 06:21:31 am
Beyond that he states that he's not going to bother leaking any more information since the game's so close to coming out and there's only a half-dozen newcomers left anyway, including Simon and Isabelle.

And the funniest part of all is that he didn't call it quits on leaking after all, well, not that much anyways, because he now claims that there will be a Gen 7 pokémon, but it's not Decidueye. (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76866145/906230784)
Why is he keeping it so ambiguous instead of just saying which 'mon it'll be? I can only suppose he's just tired of people pestering him about his leaks and/or his track record on other stuff that he just can't be explicit with them anymore.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 04, 2018, 06:43:08 am
Plot twist:  We're getting Rowlet instead.  Fear its Leafage lockdown.

(Or Mimikyu.  Odd that it hasn't appeared as a Pokéball assist from the start)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 04, 2018, 09:41:20 am
You know it's going to be Electric-type Lucario.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Lucky Dearly on August 04, 2018, 11:41:17 am
Money's on it being Mimikyu
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on August 04, 2018, 12:08:51 pm
Honestly, prior to knowing that the next Super Smash Bros would be an ultimate one that brings everyone back, but wont have many newcomers, I always thought they would pick Tapu Koko for the Gen 7 representation.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 04, 2018, 01:34:43 pm
I was more in favor for Necrozma, what with hiding it in Sun/Moon even before its release then making such a big deal out of it for the Ultra games.  Already is around humanoid size and proportions, Smash attack writes itself with its dragon form and giant JRPG Final Boss superlaser.  I imagined it being something akin to a floaty Donkey Kong to play as.

But yes, if not Decidueye or Mimikyu, it's gonna be that electric Lucario.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 04, 2018, 01:48:17 pm
Mimikyu would be awesome, if a little hard to conceptualize.  The only other non-Decidueye gen 7 rep that readily springs to mind for me as a likely candidate is Lycanroc.  Incineroar would be awesome since Smash doesn't really have a grappler/wrestler style character, but Decidueye's the popular one so it's probably not likely.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on August 04, 2018, 03:40:39 pm
...am I seriously the only person here who thinks that Tapu Koko could have a chance as a playable Gen 7 rep in Smash Bros?
He was one of the earlier revealed Pokémon as well as the first legendary non-cover Pokémon to be revealed, and he plays a big role as well due to being an island guardian of Alola.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 04, 2018, 04:08:32 pm
Tapu Koko can be a decent choice, but I feel it fits more in Pokken where it's Electric Surge covering the whole arena would make more sense and its whole gimmick would be to find ways to set up the terrian again.

Mimikyu has way more followers than anyone in Gen 7 (maybe tied with the little owl).  Yet, Dusk Mane Lycanroc is just as popular, can represent the entirety of USUM, and its moveset can include Accelrock, elemental Fangs, Stone Edge, and Rock Climb as its recovery.  Also it's exclusive Z-Move as its Final Smash would be very stylish.  Finally, Duck Hunt Dog could use a new friend. 

Then there's Poipole and how much the anime is pushing as the focus.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 04, 2018, 04:22:41 pm
It's not impossible, but personally I don't know how likely it is that they'd want to include a legendary pokemon as a playable character.  Unless Mewtwo counts as legendary?  I'm actually not sure on that one.

Oh and also: (https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/94gqms/vergeben_the_gen_7_pokémon_character_is_not/e3kzjxk/)
dasvergeben said:
I already said it, there should be no confusion.

There is a Gen 7 rep that will be playable. It's just that it is not Decidueye, Lycanroc, or Mimikyu.

Well fuck me I guess.  If it's not any of those three and Bewear's in a pokeball, who's left out of the most popular Gen 7 pokemon to take it?  Who does Ash have in the anime now?

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 04, 2018, 04:44:15 pm
You know, I'm suddenly ok with Tapu Koko if we get a cool remix of the Island Guardians and his exclusive Z-move as its Final Smash.

Quote
Who does Ash have in the anime now?
Rowlet, who is even more popular than Mimikyu, and the fans keep asking for a new Grass rep, so.....
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 04, 2018, 04:57:06 pm
Just crossed my mind that if it's not Zeraora, it could be Marshadow. It had some significance in that I Choose You! movie.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 04, 2018, 05:06:40 pm
Quote
Who does Ash have in the anime now?
Rowlet, who is even more popular than Mimikyu, and the fans keep asking for a new Grass rep, so.....

Rowlet seems unlikely, if only because its size and shape would mean they couldn't really do anything with its normals that Jigglypuff's not already doing.  I just checked and apparently he's got a Torracat though, so maybe Incineroar's not as unlikely as I though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on August 04, 2018, 07:01:32 pm
You know it's going to be Electric-type Lucario.

What is this electric-type Lucario?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 04, 2018, 07:10:10 pm
Zeraora.
(https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/a/a7/807Zeraora.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 05, 2018, 01:34:31 am
I just checked and apparently he's got a Torracat though, so maybe Incineroar's not as unlikely as I though.
Worth noting that Incineroar has been making frequent appearences in the anime and had an important movie role.  It's exclusive move can be used as recovery and its own unique Z-Move for a Final Smash.

Even in the source game, its Hidden Ability has made it a popular pick among the VGC meta.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Duos.act on August 05, 2018, 01:39:09 am
There was a "leak" about a month ago that had Necrozma on it so maybe it will be one of the few non BS ones.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 05, 2018, 01:51:09 am
I just checked and apparently he's got a Torracat though, so maybe Incineroar's not as unlikely as I though.
Worth noting that Incineroar has been making frequent appearences in the anime and had an important movie role.  It's exclusive move can be used as recovery and its own unique Z-Move for a Final Smash.

Even in the source game, its Hidden Ability has made it a popular pick among the VGC meta.

Holy shit I didn't even think of that.  With how cinematic Final Smashes are in this game, Malicious Moonsault would look so badass.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 05, 2018, 04:25:16 am
Incineroar's popularity in the VGC spiked due to its HA, Fake Out and recovery options, not to mention U-turn. I would like to see how a Pokemon can use a Z-move without having a trainer giving the power needed.

My best bets for Gen 7 reps are between Incineroar and Midnight Lycanroc. I would say Zeraora may have the chance as well since it is officially released.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 05, 2018, 04:38:32 am
Well there were no trainers for Mega Evolutions, and yet I imagine the Sun/Moon protag appearing to give the Z-move command, similar to how Corrin Robin calls Chrom and Shulk with company.

Lycanroc is said to be deconfirmed and usually Mythicals don't get to be playable.

Edit: My bad
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on August 05, 2018, 05:01:11 am
similar to how Corrin calls Chrom and Shulk with company.

That's Robin....
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on August 05, 2018, 05:45:39 am
Who does Ash have in the anime now?

Well, if I remember correctly, he eventually gets a...

Spoiler: Ash gets a.... (click to see content)
Spoiler: Team Rocket gets... (click to see content)

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 06, 2018, 01:04:44 am
Smash Bros Direct announced for 7am PT on Wednesday. (https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1026202051884150784)  Everybody place your bets now on what they're going to show.   

I'm guessing besides whatever features or game modes they show off, they'll reveal at least one totally new character, and maybe another echo fighter.  For a new character, I'm gonna say it's Ashley.  If there's an echo, Isabelle.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 06, 2018, 01:08:21 am
The announcement of Nintendo's version of Capcom Cup/Arc Revo.

moo
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 06, 2018, 01:29:02 am
I'm guessing besides whatever features or game modes they show off, they'll reveal at least one totally new character, and maybe another echo fighter.  For a new character, I'm gonna say it's Ashley.  If there's an echo, Isabelle.
Maybe Ken for a Ryu echo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NamelessOnlinePlayer on August 06, 2018, 02:03:19 am
I'm mainly expecting news about game modes, as a leaker who's got some things right about the game, claimed that a Direct would happen this month, main highlight being a new mode which will be the primary way to unlock characters. (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76579834/903186091)

As for character announcements, I'm not expecting anyone in particular, but I'd appreciate if one of Vergeben's characters were announced.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 06, 2018, 02:10:33 am
I'm mainly expecting news about game modes, as a leaker who's got some things right about the game, claimed that a Direct would happen this month, main highlight being a new mode which will be the primary way to unlock characters. (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76579834/903186091)

As for character announcements, I'm not expecting anyone in particular, but I'd appreciate if one of Vergeben's characters were announced.

it basically reminds me of super smash bros brawl where you can at least playthrough subspace emissary to unlock characters
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on August 06, 2018, 03:34:44 am
Aw, hell yeah! I had a feeling there were going to be Smash announcements this month! Fingers crossed that Ashley's a playable character, and that they'll reveal her here!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 06, 2018, 04:06:54 am
^ Ashley's pretty much a shoo-in, IMO.  She really is just inconceivably popular in Japan.  If Ridley got in to please the Western fanbase, I'm fully expecting Ashely will be the pick to appease the Eastern fans.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 06, 2018, 04:46:06 am
I'm guessing besides whatever features or game modes they show off, they'll reveal at least one totally new character, and maybe another echo fighter.  For a new character, I'm gonna say it's Ashley.  If there's an echo, Isabelle.
Maybe Ken for a Ryu echo.
Evil Ryu would be better imo.  His gimmick can be doing all of Ryu's specials but without the extra inputs and his Down+B is his SFIV FA with additional range.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: The Street Fighter on August 06, 2018, 04:56:09 am
I bet on either;
- Ashley.
- King K. Rool.
- Heihachi Mishima.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on August 06, 2018, 06:21:19 am
Regardless of who the characters actually are, I predict there will be at least one new Echo Fighter and one unique newcomer, with the majority of the Direct being focused on single-player content. I also predict that the Stages and/or the Items tab of the official website will be open shortly after the Direct.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: GTAguy on August 06, 2018, 07:05:10 am
I bet on these guys:
- Spring Man
- Dixie Kong (EF of Diddy)
- Shovel Knight
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on August 06, 2018, 11:58:12 am
I'm sorry, but no.
Like, yeah, I want Dixie Kong to be playable, but it just wouldn't make sense for her to be an Echo Fighter of Diddy Kong.
She never uses peanut guns or jetpacks, and you also just can't ignore her hair for moveset potential either (which is what her as Diddy's Echo would do since all of her attacks would have the exact same animation as Diddy due to being an Echo of Diddy).
So no, Dixie absolutely HAS to be an unique fighter!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 07, 2018, 12:47:11 am
Some rando from reddit said:
8/8 = Heihachi/Octoling.

This is the kind of investigative journalism that Smash Bros deserves.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 07, 2018, 01:07:59 am
You know, after playing the Octo Expansion and getting sucked into the Splatoon world, I would be happy to play as an Octoling, but they seriously lack anything standout that separates them from an Inkling in Smash.  Something I was thinking about however should they be included, though obviously much too late for this game to consider, is focusing the "main" color of an Inkling to be Agent 3 (http://pm1.narvii.com/6015/431316e3f433aa829fc550da58cced147c6546b6_00.jpg) and a similar main color for an Octoling to be Agent 8 (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fantendo/images/f/f5/Agent_8_-_Splatoon_2.png/revision/latest?cb=20180309162732).  With the various others being exactly what they're doing now with random fashion choices from multiplayer and manga references for the Inklings and using the enemy outfits for the Octolings.

This however comes into conflict with the main Splatoon character either being the no-named Inkling Girl Nintendo has been pushing and wanting to be the face of the series, or what could be best described as the in-canon character representation of that same Inkling later on as Agent 3.  It's a little hard to tell what is the set coloring for Agent 3 either, which would help, because in art she's yellow/golden with purple accents but in game she's clearly the default orange. (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/akqbbQVNfqA/maxresdefault.jpg) (And of course, they all keep changing their colors with each scenario)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 07, 2018, 11:47:18 pm
The new Bomber item's up on the blog:

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/93.jpg)

They must have timed this direct tomorrow well, because I think this might actually be the last new thing from the E3 build they had left to feature.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 08, 2018, 12:03:00 am
The new Bomber item's up on the blog:

(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/93.jpg)

They must have timed this direct tomorrow well, because I think this might actually be the last new thing from the E3 build they had left to feature.

in the games, if kirby swallows bomber, it becomes crash kirby

here, it's like bob-omb but it takes massive damage

anyway i can't wait for the smash bros direct to occur tomorrow morning
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on August 08, 2018, 03:31:36 am
On the topic of tomorrow's Direct: Despite being a staunch advocate for King K. Rool being in Smash, I cannot for the life of me actually imagine him being a fighter in the game. Regardless, if by some microscopic chance he actually did appear, I'd undoubtedly crap a ton of bricks. At this point, I see Dixie having a better shot.

I've said this before, but I'd also like to see Lip in the game, even though her chances are practically non-existent as well. I tell ya, I gotta start clamoring for more mainstream representatives.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 08, 2018, 05:14:18 am
So Nintendo might have borked up the reveal for tomorrow.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SlySuavity on August 08, 2018, 05:22:14 am
What a good fit, if indeed the case!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 08, 2018, 06:21:33 am
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on August 08, 2018, 06:29:34 am
Hmm... Don't want to specify what everyone else is talking about for the sake of spoilers, but if this slip up means what I think it means, then my father will be very happy about this. He's been wanting this in a Smash game for a while now, and it makes me happy that his wish may come true. :)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on August 08, 2018, 04:27:48 pm
Welp, the last minutes went from hype, to scared, back to sincere hype.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 08, 2018, 04:35:37 pm


There is a whole lot to digest.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: WumpaFruit96 on August 08, 2018, 04:36:39 pm
OMG!!! KING K. ROOL KONFIRMED!!!
OMG!!! SIMON KONFIRMED!!!
THANK YOU MR. SAKURAI!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 08, 2018, 04:41:05 pm
@JMorphman one of your requested characters finally made it.

As an echo fighter no less.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TheFclass97 on August 08, 2018, 04:42:52 pm
THIS GAME! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on August 08, 2018, 04:47:53 pm
I expected Simon Belmont...but not Richter as well!
And King K. Rool joins, too?!
My reaction:
(https://puu.sh/BaO68/ba67dd8dc8.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Jmorphman on August 08, 2018, 04:49:23 pm
Man, that trailer was absolutely nuts. RIP Luigi :qq:

@JMorphman one of your requested characters finally made it.

As an echo fighter no less.
I have always been adamant that Dark Samus should have a unique moveset because she doesn't actually use any of Samus's moves in the Prime games (and instead has a ton of unique moves of her own), but I'll take what I can get!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 08, 2018, 04:56:26 pm
Wow, that was way more than I was expecting.  K Rool may not have been my first choice, but I love how he looks. 3 echo fighters and no Isabelle is a little concerning, but the fact that Kapp’n is an assist trophy now gives me hope that she’s not.  I’ll cop to being a little disappointed that Ashley is still just an assist trophy, but I’m happy with what we got.

Also holy shit Shovel Knight has to be in literally everything, doesn’t he.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NDSilva on August 08, 2018, 05:08:28 pm
Just how much content can be put on in a single game, holy shit! :o
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Ricepigeon on August 08, 2018, 05:09:16 pm
K Rool & Simon confirmations aside...
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/203658918906298368/476765108194770955/image.jpg)
... this part had me at a loss for words.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: GTAguy on August 08, 2018, 05:24:02 pm
I just yelled very hard when I saw King K. Rool got confirmed.
I was offline for a while and now I saw it. Now I'll buying the Switch for sure.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DW on August 08, 2018, 05:36:12 pm
Yeah, poor Luigi man... :(

Though OMG YES!!!! I gotta get a Switch now! I've literally been waiting years for this moment. Simon and Richter! Man it's a dream come true. Slowly but surely, Konami is getting back into good graces. Someone in upper management has their head on straight and doing their best to dig the company out of the hole.

With the Netflix anime and this, they are definitely on the right track. This is so awesome I can't even truly give it justice.

@Kamekaze:

IDK when your Richter will be done, though this could be great for perhaps some additional moves and voice acting!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 08, 2018, 05:39:13 pm
yes i knew it the gamer stage is back
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on August 08, 2018, 05:39:38 pm
Well, R.I.P. playable Ashley, but...

SIMON
RICHTER
CHROM
DARK SAMUS
KING K. ROOL

THE HYPE IS STRONG WITH THIS ONE
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on August 08, 2018, 05:41:03 pm
My boy King K Rool! Oh man, the hype train has no brakes!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 08, 2018, 06:14:04 pm
Chrom is actually kind of interesting here.  He’s an echo of Roy, but he has Ike’s up special.  Looks like echo fighters can be more unique than we thought.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SlySuavity on August 08, 2018, 06:17:34 pm
Stage morphing is going to be fucking wild. Can't wait to see Max's reaction from all this grandeur.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Xhominid on August 08, 2018, 06:45:22 pm
Stage morphing is going to be fucking wild. Can't wait to see Max's reaction from all this grandeur.

He had a stream up before the Direct started... yeah, he went nuts over basically everything.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Shocksconstant on August 08, 2018, 06:55:51 pm
Sakurai: There! Theres your stinking crocodile! Never ask me for anything ever again.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on August 08, 2018, 06:59:09 pm
Super Smash Bros Never Ask Sakurai For Anything Ever Again
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Lichtbringer on August 08, 2018, 07:20:25 pm
Simon is in, seems like I have to buy a Switch now. Ö_Ö
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Lucky Dearly on August 08, 2018, 07:21:12 pm
I was expecting Simon but I never expected Richter to make it in too. And we got Alucard as an assist trophy on top of that.

also hyped for Dark Samus, Chrom, and King K Rool.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 08, 2018, 07:22:20 pm
https://twitter.com/YachtClubGames/status/1027207289504129026
(https://i.imgur.com/PpCYdKq.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SlySuavity on August 08, 2018, 07:34:18 pm


And his hype commences! \o/
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 08, 2018, 08:32:56 pm
I like how he doesn't give two shits about Chrom but loses his mind over the Final Smash Meter. :P

Personally, I'm really happy that both versions of Vulpix show up as Pokeballs.  Vulpix has always been my favorite pokemon, and now it gets to be in Smash twice.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 08, 2018, 08:36:27 pm
mimikyu's in it because it can instantly ko fighters now
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 08, 2018, 09:09:58 pm
Chrom is actually kind of interesting here.  He’s an echo of Roy, but he has Ike’s up special.  Looks like echo fighters can be more unique than we thought.

lol echo fighters; what's next, guessies ?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Japanese Jesus on August 08, 2018, 09:19:51 pm
Surprised Sakurai didn't put in Soma Cruz given his fondness for ikemen swordsman.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Prototype God on August 08, 2018, 09:27:30 pm
Man, Richter is that one character that I kinda wanted but never expected to make it in since Simon is more iconic especially for Nintendo consoles. Fuck yeah!
Also, looks like the character select is going to organize the fighters by character number instead of by series, hopefully there's an option to change how the fighters are ordered.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DW on August 08, 2018, 09:53:35 pm
I forgot to mention this: I'm really looking forward to the Castlevania music renditions for this too. Divine Bloodlines is one of my fave tracks and listening to it in that trailer, I'm liking what I hear. The orchestra quality composition will make those tracks sound beautiful. I already like the violins/strings they used for Divine Bloodlines. Bloody Tears sounded great too. So many tracks they're adding, it's gonna be great.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 08, 2018, 10:47:13 pm
TFW you have almost 1000 songs in your game but Square only lets you have two for their series:

(https://i.imgur.com/CUJlH02.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Sookoll on August 08, 2018, 11:11:27 pm
Now we just need SA-X and we can have four Samus games.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on August 08, 2018, 11:14:36 pm
My God, the madman did it! Thank you Sakurai! I will never ask you for anything again.

I couldn't stop grinning after I saw K. Rool revealed in all his glory. The reveal itself was spectacular. I also really like what I see of Simon and Richter. Possibly cuz I'm not the biggest Castlevania fan, I couldn't picture in my head they would translate to Smash (same thing I was thinking with K. Rool), but the development team wows me time and time again.  Chrom and Dark Samus were the icing on the cake.

The new stages were great. Dracula's Castle looks crazy fun. I was real excited to see Fountain of Dreams and Brinstar Depths confirmed, too.

I also like all the new game modes they're showing off (calling it now, the blurred out game mode at the end is Adventure Mode). Eh, what am I saying? I liked everything they showed. Sure made it hard for me to concentrate at work afterwards.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 09, 2018, 01:24:08 am
Turns out the blurred out text on the secret mode is readable thanks to poor video editing.

(https://i.imgur.com/nOPJeeB.png)

"Spirits."  Maybe some kind of new adventure mode?  Might have something to do with the fact that people keep getting literally killed in these character reveal trailers.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 09, 2018, 02:39:58 am
Well.  Getting to this late, everything I wanted to say has already been said.  Jmorphman, I echo those sentiments exactly, and who knows, looking to the future past this game maybe they'll diversify the echo characters even further.  For now she's in the game, that's fine by me.

Shame Luigi's now officially dead, for now and forever.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 09, 2018, 03:39:29 am
Weird that they still felt the need to do a blog update today, but the actual video for Bloody Tears / Monster Dance is up now.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DW on August 09, 2018, 03:45:47 am
What a horrible night...

Awesome! I knew they'd do them justice. Looking forward to see all the tracks they choose.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 09, 2018, 04:09:59 am
I'm curious to see the Street Fighter soundtracks.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: JudaiZX on August 09, 2018, 05:09:29 am
TFW you have almost 1000 songs in your game but Square only lets you have two for their series:

(https://i.imgur.com/CUJlH02.png)
I saw that.....I'm really hoping thats just temporary...FF has an amazing collection of songs and if we ended up with only two again thats going to make me sad
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on August 09, 2018, 06:38:59 am
Man, that trailer was absolutely nuts. RIP Luigi :qq:

Taking account for Ridley's trailer, RIP Mario and Megaman. :qq:

Sakurai: There! Theres your stinking crocodile! Never ask me for anything ever again.

Everyone: Okay! Now give us Heihachi and Geno next with Walui-*shot*.

But in all seriousness, I've noticed they haven't shown Shadow to be an Assist Trophy yet, assuming that Knuckles (Welcome to the club, my dude, all the cool kids are hanging out.) replaces him as a Sonic assist character so he's on the maybe scale of an echo to a slim chance to be a new fighter? Also, is it me, or have they not shown Isabella yet either?

Edit: Another wild and crazy guess, Protoman as Megaman's echo fighter?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Speedpreacher on August 09, 2018, 07:18:35 am
I feel like if that was gonna happen they wouldn't have bothered adding him to Megaman's Final Smash, but who knows.

I kinda hope it's Roll though, because I'll never get tired of that
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Do not even ask on August 09, 2018, 08:13:13 am
fuck yes brinstar depths is back, nothing else announced present and future will top that for me
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 09, 2018, 03:58:21 pm
the only stage that needs to return is poke floats because they could add some more pokemon as those float balloons

I highly doubt that the only stage that will most likely not to return is the miiverse due to the fact that miiverse has been shut down
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on August 09, 2018, 07:21:41 pm
There seems to be room for 6 more stages on the stage select screen, so I wouldn’t completely rule out Poke Floats yet, and even then, there is nothing that says that it cannot show up as DLC (seeing as those 6 spots might be for unrevealed new stages? Doubt the 5 new stages we have so far are all we are gonna get).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 10, 2018, 02:31:01 am
So get your tin-foil hats ready, but I had an unnecessarily long theory about a future Pokémon rep.  Recently it was reported that Game Freak went and put out copyrights for a number of Pokémon that are likely all going to be included in the Let's Go games. (https://nintendosoup.com/15-kanto-pokemon-re-trademarked-in-japan-may-receive-mega-evolutions-in-pokemon-lets-go/)  Mostly gen 1 stuff, though it also includes Hitmontop, a gen 2 pokemon, which is odd in its own right but that's a discussion for the actual Pokémon thread.  Included in the list is Eevee's various first gen evolutions and Pikachu's evolution to Raichu.  As the report in the link mentions, the last time Game Freak did something similar to this was for the introduction of Mega Evolution in gen 6.

While not a direct confirmation that this means they're getting Mega Forms, it was even more recently confirmed that the option to Mega Evolve will be a feature in the new Let's Go games (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8SGlfXb3YI), despite the simplification to game design it features.  If not Megas, at least something new to distinguish them further.  While unfortunately I don't think Eevee would be a good fit for Smash, not without each alt color being a different Eeveelution and altering the move effects for each element and a lot of attention to detail, never minding the size differences thus different hitboxes needed, we did just get Pichu to return to Smash since being gone for two titles.  I could totally see them announcing sometime between Let's Go's release and Smash Ultimate's the addition of Raichu, just to finish off the entire Pikachu family tree.

The main issue I'm forseeing is having Alolan Raichu already in the game as a Poke Ball summon.  But regular Raichu was going to act different than the Alolan variant anyways.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 10, 2018, 06:54:48 am
Except that the leaker claims a Pokémon from Gen 7 is being included.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 10, 2018, 01:00:43 pm
I think the bigger issue is that nobody has ever cared about Raichu.  I can't imagine Sakurai would want to include such an unpopular pokemon with such an unoriginal movelist simply for the sake of some misplaced sense of completionism.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 10, 2018, 01:41:51 pm
Currently, with Richter just getting thrown in there and now they're adding clones left and right, I no longer think limiting our wishlisting to just one Pokémon rep for the latest generation is a necessity, and Sakurai's just throwing us off saying there's not many newcomers.  However, Raichu's popularity is another factor in that you're right, no one really cares about Raichu. (Well, except it's my second favorite pokemon if we're being honest but the mass majority just view it as the Lt. Surge pokemon)  That's why I'm hoping whatever they were copyrighted over will bring them enough uniqueness to make Raichu a viable option to the Smash team to consider.

Granted, there's also the timeframe of when they had all that planned out for the Let's Go series and how long ago the Smash team started work on Ultimate to consider.  Might just be too late into development.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 10, 2018, 06:10:02 pm
I will agree that Richter has really blown the range of characters we can expect wide open.  At this point,  there’s now no excuse not to include Ninten.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Mgbenz on August 10, 2018, 06:12:01 pm
It's going to be Incineroar. It's the Pokemon Nintendo has been pushing. It was in the movie and in the anime Kukui has one and Ash will eventually have one once Torracat evolves (Rowlet stays unevolved because he's the new Piplup). It's also the number one Pokemon on VGC right now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 10, 2018, 06:18:53 pm
Fun fact:  Incineroar was the No.1 traded Pokemon on Global Trade Station in Sun/Moon from the Global Link website.  I'll be very surprised if it doesn't end up a Pokemon hazard at best.

I will agree that Richter has really blown the range of characters we can expect wide open.  At this point,  there’s now no excuse not to include Ninten.
Or Paper Mario who's a highly requested character for some reason.  I imagine him being an Echo to Doc Mario.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on August 10, 2018, 11:18:12 pm
Or Paper Mario who's a highly requested character for some reason.  I imagine him being an Echo to Doc Mario.

^How, exactly? Like I don't mean that in a smart alecky way. I'm genuinely curious.

Also, was looking at screenshots of K. Rool on the website, and it is just now occurring to me...

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 10, 2018, 11:46:42 pm
I won't complain if the gen 7 choice is Incineroar, seeing I've already got characters I want, but like Greninja I am gonna be a little annoyed at my least favorite starter of the generation getting picked again and likely not ever use the character.

The starter choice seems unfair overall, to be honest.  Each starter should get its fair share of time in the spotlight, since each is important in the actual Pokémon title, so when you have just one I feel compelled to want the other two.  Red and Leaf kinda subvert this, with Squirtle being as popular as Blatoise and Charizard being Charizard, but then you have middle-stage Ivysaur who doesn't really stand out in actual Pokemon.  That's another reason why I'd rather the gen 7 pick be Necrozma, all players regardless of starter choice deal with it eventually thus have a greater connection to it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 11, 2018, 12:05:38 am
I will agree that Richter has really blown the range of characters we can expect wide open.  At this point,  there’s now no excuse not to include Ninten.
Or Paper Mario who's a highly requested character for some reason.  I imagine him being an Echo to Doc Mario.

Paper Mario would be interesting to see, but I don't think he could be an Echo.  His 2D model means they'd have to redo all of the animations and rigging to fit him, and at that point they might as well spend the same amount of effort making him unique.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kamekaze on August 11, 2018, 01:48:30 am
Yeah, poor Luigi man... :(

Though OMG YES!!!! I gotta get a Switch now! I've literally been waiting years for this moment. Simon and Richter! Man it's a dream come true. Slowly but surely, Konami is getting back into good graces. Someone in upper management has their head on straight and doing their best to dig the company out of the hole.

With the Netflix anime and this, they are definitely on the right track. This is so awesome I can't even truly give it justice.

@Kamekaze:

IDK when your Richter will be done, though this could be great for perhaps some additional moves and voice acting!
fun fact, i literally had all the things he was doing minus the angled whip over 2 years ago when he was planned. It felt bizarre to see my identical moveset ideas. The only difference is I had hydro storm where they went with grand cross
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Iori730 on August 11, 2018, 07:24:51 am
Whoa, Richter, and Simon huh? Great, It had to be on the damned Nintendo Console. Why don't fighting games on PS4/Xbox ever put these guys in?
Wanted to see Cloud, Simon, Richter, in MvC Infinite.. or Tekken, M.K, KOF.. such a shame it had to be on Switch, Sony could've picked up Bayonetta as well..
Regardless, Im impressed with this, well we don't need Mugen anymore..
Dont mess with Richters power :muttrox:
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty



Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: SlenderMan on August 11, 2018, 08:57:59 am
I wouldn't say we don't need Mugen anymore. Richter as far as I know is still being made for Mugen. Haven't heard anything on him but I hope to see him in action soon.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Slivern on August 11, 2018, 09:02:19 am
I got an awesome serving of Prime Ribs the morning I saw that direct. Also, I think I may main Chrom; the white color for Marth is a personal favorite of mine, and knowing that Chrom also holds a Falchion and has a nice white cape as well, that's awesome.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NamelessOnlinePlayer on August 11, 2018, 11:50:35 pm
So I was looking at the song section in the Direct and found a really interesting part right here:
(https://i.imgur.com/F0TIBmw.png)
Damn! 36 songs!
Thank God my college semester ends in November, because I'm sure going to spend a lot of time listening to all the SF music this game offers.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 12, 2018, 01:27:06 am
They've got to have themes of Chun-Li, Guile, Bison and of course Ken and Akuma in there!

And for Ryu's stage, you can pick your favorite theme from the SF series so you can hear it as you fight.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 12, 2018, 02:19:40 am
They've got to have themes of Chun-Li, Guile, Bison and of course Ken and Akuma in there!

And for Ryu's stage, you can pick your favorite theme from the SF series so you can hear it as you fight.

I want guy's theme from street fighter alpha and street fighter alpha 2 they're my favorites
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on August 12, 2018, 02:45:37 am
They've got to have themes of Chun-Li, Guile, Bison and of course Ken and Akuma in there!

And for Ryu's stage, you can pick your favorite theme from the SF series so you can hear it as you fight.

Could the Marvel vs. variants make its way into Smash? Ryu has three (XvSF, MSHvSF and MvC1).

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on August 12, 2018, 03:37:23 am
That makes FF's two song all the more disappointing. :(
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 12, 2018, 03:38:20 am
I don't think the MvC variants would be there... as for Guy, they might have the Bay Area stage theme in there since it was the popular theme of the Final Fight series iirc
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 12, 2018, 04:06:45 am
I can imagine a Retro Final Fight medley included as part of the SF tracklist.

I'll be surprised if the SFIV/SFV Main Theme is nowhere to be found, remixed or otherwise.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: D00dman on August 15, 2018, 03:39:42 am


The composers that did 3D World and Xenoblade series

Legit good.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 15, 2018, 03:50:06 am
That is the most anime sounding Donkey Kong track I’ve ever heard.  I dig it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on August 15, 2018, 04:08:54 am
The YouTube upload of the song is just "12"...

HOLY CRAP GUYS STREET FIGHTER'S TWELVE CONFIRMED FOR SMASH /s
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NamelessOnlinePlayer on August 15, 2018, 07:08:58 am
The YouTube upload of the song is just "12"...

HOLY CRAP GUYS STREET FIGHTER'S TWELVE CONFIRMED FOR SMASH /s

That joke could've worked had it not been for the fact that everyone was right about that Castlevania song screw-up.

In other news, here's another rumour for anyone interested in entertaining their speculative minds:

This leak came from 2ch (japanese textboard), and apparently has been there as far as January 2018 goes.
Spoiler: Character list (click to see content)

Now, this leak has gotten quite the discussion, as you can see in here:
Quote
This is the January leak: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76899877

It was debunked on the basis of the site's whois (credit to SourceGaming): https://twitter.com/AllSourceGaming/status/1029134656845766657
But there are several arguments that suggest that the leak is legitimate after all:

It has an active patreon with supporters: https://www.patreon.com/2chwin
The archive updated again as scheduled: http://www.2ch.win/aotd.html
It has a huge discord that has history dating back years: http://discordapp.com/invite/5kug84s
Small scale board archiving services often change domains to avoid trouble (their discord even says they do this): https://i.imgur.com/u95za7k.png
The site seems to be directly linked to 5ch: https://premium.5ch.net/

None of this is surefire proof that it's not fake, but it's enough to not completely write if off imo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on August 15, 2018, 01:19:51 pm
Actually, that leak already got debunked.
From what I have heard, the website it was on was filled with dates like the 2nd of january, but the domain of the site was only created a day or two ago.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 15, 2018, 01:36:37 pm
I'm more a fan of the recently revived Gardevoir with Gothitelle clone leak.

https://nintendosoup.com/rumor-gardevoir-and-gothitelle-are-playable-in-super-smash-bros-ultimate/

I don't put an exceptional amount of stock into it.  Not without a gen 7 pokemon confirmed beforehand so the newest generation doesn't get left out for the old.  But I'm not against it, Gardevoir being super-popular, a representative of gen 3 in first appearance, gen 6 as the Final Boss of the Elite Four and having not yet shown up in Ultimate's variety of Poke Balls to deconfirm.  Gothitelle's odd but easy to do if you have a base, because sure, it is just a less impressive Gardevoir, reps gen 5 and apparently is somewhat popular in Japan.  There's been weirder choices on the roster already.

Also I'd personally just like this to be true because if I can't get my second favorite pokemon in, I'll take third with Gardevoir.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: The Street Fighter on August 15, 2018, 08:35:29 pm
[youtube]https://youtu.be/Wlb-dr84nrQ[/youtube]

The composers that did 3D World and Xenoblade series

Legit good.

This is so lit, it's crazy!
One of my favourite tunes, redefined.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on August 15, 2018, 11:56:58 pm
[youtube]https://youtu.be/Wlb-dr84nrQ[/youtube]

The composers that did 3D World and Xenoblade series

Legit good.

Need lyrics, ASAP!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on August 17, 2018, 01:29:58 pm
I'm more a fan of the recently revived Gardevoir with Gothitelle clone leak.

https://nintendosoup.com/rumor-gardevoir-and-gothitelle-are-playable-in-super-smash-bros-ultimate/


Sounds like people who still have a crush on Gardevoir after all of these years are being quite hopeful.

Although I am surprised that the Gardevoir-lovers are still a thing these days. You don't hear about them as much as in the past.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on August 17, 2018, 04:34:00 pm
Just because you don't hear much about them, doesn't mean that they still don't do stuff for the Pokémon. I do see the dedication to them though. The only Pokémon I do see as Mewtwo's Echo is Gardevoir, but then again not every fighter will get an echo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 18, 2018, 12:17:05 am
Frankly, with such attention garnered just causing a nauseating amount of fanservice-related fan works, when not straight pornographic, it's nice that people finally shut up about it.  Can just like the character for what it is without annoying assumed stipulations attached.

So in other not really noteworthy news, Blizzard is interested in getting Diablo some role in Smash.

https://mynintendonews.com/2018/08/17/blizzard-senior-producer-pete-stilwell-says-that-hed-love-to-have-diablo-be-a-playable-guest-character-in-smash-ultimate/

Now, look.  I know they're most likely kidding around, surely they're aware at the obvious problems that come from playing Literal Satan in Super Smash Bros. with its rating, never mind the lack of relevance to Nintendo, current popular games, historical value or ease of character building.  But wouldn't Overwatch make SO much more sense?  I don't even care for it, not until it gets a single-player mode to get into that Pixar-like world, but anyone can see the mass appeal and reach that game's made.  Tracer honestly without any bias for or against would easily transfer over to a Smash character, with her low-range guns like Mega Man, teleportation for recovery, sticky bombs and timey-windy stuff for other special attacks, however that chestpiece works.

That said, you know what I would just DIE for, because it was my PC game of choice growing up?  Some of Diablo's soundtrack to be playable.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 18, 2018, 12:22:41 am
Ask literally any developer if they’d like to have their IP in Smash Bros and 100% of them will answer yes.  Doesn’t really mean anything.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 18, 2018, 12:37:01 am
Eh, I said it wasn't particularly noteworthy news.

I've seen people mention The Lost Vikings as an assist trophy, but you know, StarCraft was on the N64.  Now THAT'S a series with some video game history, that I could get behind being an assist trophy with some Zerglings and Hydralisks.  Maybe even Kerrigan or Jim Raynor.  I never played the sequel after Brood War, no idea who's still alive and kicking in it beyond redesigned Sarah and Jim.  But that's another series whose soundtrack getting a nod to in Smash would also be awesome.



Of course, that said, there's only one song above all others that deserves that spot.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: TrinitroRoy on August 18, 2018, 01:04:44 pm
Ask literally any developer if they’d like to have their IP in Smash Bros and 100% of them will answer yes.  Doesn’t really mean anything.
I'm pretty sure ZUN would actually say "no" if someone asked him if he'd like to have Touhou in Smash Bros.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on August 18, 2018, 02:38:05 pm
Ask literally any developer if they’d like to have their IP in Smash Bros and 100% of them will answer yes.  Doesn’t really mean anything.
I'm pretty sure ZUN would actually say "no" if someone asked him if he'd like to have Touhou in Smash Bros.

Source on that? This would be the first time for me to hear that statement.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: JudaiZX on August 18, 2018, 10:34:50 pm
Ask literally any developer if they’d like to have their IP in Smash Bros and 100% of them will answer yes.  Doesn’t really mean anything.
I'm pretty sure ZUN would actually say "no" if someone asked him if he'd like to have Touhou in Smash Bros.

That makes me sad because I'd actually really love to have Reimu over Shantae or Sans
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on August 21, 2018, 06:07:22 am
But, then again, how many people even know of Touhou at all?

While it is growing in popularity, I seriously think it is relatively unknown outside of Japan. And if it did gain massive exposure, I do think a lot of people would instinctively dismiss it a weeaboo fad. No offense, but the series has this weird Japanese aura to it, to the point where it might turn people off.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: JudaiZX on August 21, 2018, 06:42:46 am
Ironically that might end up actually working in its favor to have a rep in Smash since Sakurai is known for putting in at least one "Who the fuck is this?" character in every Smash game so....who knows?

Not saying its gonna happen and I'm certainly not holding my breath but....its still a possibility
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Eric The Nihilist on August 21, 2018, 07:34:03 am
But, then again, how many people even know of Touhou at all?

While it is growing in popularity, I seriously think it is relatively unknown outside of Japan. And if it did gain massive exposure, I do think a lot of people would instinctively dismiss it a weeaboo fad. No offense, but the series has this weird Japanese aura to it, to the point where it might turn people off.

Okay, speaking as a non-weebo person who generally dislikes any anime made after 1995, I had never heard of Touhou before getting into Mugen. Now that I know about it, I find it really... really weird and creepy.

Like My little pony fandom, or Furry levels of weird and also creepy.

I would advise Nintendo stay very much away from it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 21, 2018, 07:51:27 am
You're looking at the fan base.  It's a basic rule for EVERYTHING not to judge a subject solely by its followers.  From what I've seen, Touhou in of itself is fairly harmless.  Shump with harmless if not standout anime style about turning beaten bosses into allies.  About as risqué as Sonic the Hedgehog.  Probably less-so, at least Sega intentionally went full bizarre sex appeal with creating Rogue the Bat.

That said, Touhou also seems to be a weird case of surviving by the graces of fan reinterpretation and exploitation.  I'm not sure how much canon material there is that people actually look forward to being in a proper representation of anything out of that series.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 21, 2018, 12:01:49 pm
The official printworks are effectively the franchise's way of fleshing out its characters since the main shmups don't do a particularly amazing job at that; for instance, you'd never know the latest final boss, Okina, has the ability to create youkai by filling an object with energy produced by putting a door on its back if you only played Hidden Star in Four Seasons, as this was only explained in the Wild and Horned Hermit manga.

Frankly I'm surprised people genuinely think Touhou has a chance of being represented in Smash at all. Every third party has some history with Nintendo (Bayonetta is effectively second-party at this point, plus she was voted in), even Cloud, who (despite his game not being on a Nintendo console) represents the Final Fantasy series as a whole due to how iconic he is. Touhou has a few crappy fan games on the Switch and saw some of its characters appear in the 3DS Taiko Drum Master game, and that's it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 21, 2018, 01:08:38 pm
I don't know how much accuracy there is to the rumor, but I believe it's because there was a revived rumor from back in Melee in which Sakurai showed interest in adding Reimu as he personally liked the character?  Granted, Sakurai wants many odd choices that never go beyond that initial stage, or else we'd have ExciteBike as a playable character.

I'm nor for or against it myself.  From a objective standpoint, we haven't had a shump character representation yet, so that could be cool, but typically the very character design of such a game character wouldn't translate well into Smash without nerfing the character.  But then, so is pretty much everyone else.  You don't see Samus with the Ice Beam freezing people and killing them with missiles.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 地獄の花 on August 21, 2018, 01:42:44 pm
Ask literally any developer if they’d like to have their IP in Smash Bros and 100% of them will answer yes.  Doesn’t really mean anything.
I'm pretty sure ZUN would actually say "no" if someone asked him if he'd like to have Touhou in Smash Bros.

Source on that? This would be the first time for me to hear that statement.

probably , except if sakurai proved himself in a drink off against zun.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on August 21, 2018, 01:47:21 pm
Some King K. Rool gameplay for those interested:



Looks like the crown can be dropped on the stage and used as an item.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 21, 2018, 04:39:26 pm
but typically the very character design of such a game character wouldn't translate well into Smash without nerfing the character.
That only counts if you go by the shmups, since the fighting games give the characters more physical moves; the projectile spam typically comes from the bullet button (B), rather than the specials themselves (C). If you go by Reimu's moveset in AoCF, which functions very similarly to Smash in the sense of moves being direction-based...
-5C/Neutral Special has her dash diagonally up and then diagonally down (reversed when on the lower plane).
-6C/Forward Special has her fire four quick projectiles that fan out slightly as they move forward.
-8C/Up Special is essentially Guile's Flash Kick.
-4C/Back Special has her fire a barrier some distance in front of her that hits once and nullifies projectiles.
-2C/Down Special has her disappear before reappearing with a dive kick.

Of course, Smash only needs four of those five, but then if you're going to represent the shmup genre, it'd make sense to incorporate projectiles a little more into the moveset as opposed to being mostly melee-based.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 21, 2018, 06:07:51 pm
Some King K. Rool gameplay for those interested
Oh man, the setup with the blunderbuss on that first stock was dirty as hell.  Can’t wait to see more.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on August 21, 2018, 06:26:04 pm
Yeah, I thought it was pretty sick. I'm really glad we got to see more of his moveset. I'm liking it more and more. I thought he looked a little small in his reveal trailer, but this gameplay footage thankfully alleviates that issue.

In the Japanese version of this video, his name is pronounced King "Kruel". I pray to god they pronounce it "Kay Rool" over here in the states like they do in that video I linked to.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Byakko on August 21, 2018, 06:52:17 pm
It's always been his name in Japanese, kuruuru. Why would you think the English pronunciation will suddenly change for no reason just because you're only discovering this now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Xhominid on August 21, 2018, 08:17:09 pm
What makes it funnier is that was ALWAYS supposed to be the case.
K.Rool is damn near a literal anagram of Cruel.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Japanese Jesus on August 21, 2018, 09:58:26 pm
Love the new hit sparks and effects.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 21, 2018, 11:12:51 pm
K. Rool's potential as a fighter after seeing this is far past my expectations. He's got some nasty stuff here. Downside I see only is that opponents can turn his own crown against him via projectile.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on August 21, 2018, 11:55:51 pm
The downside is that he's fat and will be combo fodder for the likes of over half the roster.

But he's still fun to play from the looks of the gameplay.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 22, 2018, 12:27:05 am
There’s also a video showcasing Chrom and Dark Samus. 



Chrom looks like he hits hard and fast, but his recovery is abysmal.

:EDIT:  Bit of a surprising music track in today’s blog; It’s the main menu theme from Fire Emblem Heroes.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on August 22, 2018, 02:24:54 pm
... will be combo fodder for the likes of over half the roster.

You know that could describe all of the characters in every fighting game ever, yes? So I do not really see how this is a unique downside, or a downside at all.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 23, 2018, 07:04:34 pm


Quote
Today's Fighter
#59: Duck Hunt
This duo excels at long-range attacks, like kicking exploding cans and throwing clay pigeons. For their Final Smash, three games from the Light Gun Series team up: Duck Hunt, Hogan's Alley, and Wild Gunman!

so in other words it's the same final smash from the previous game right?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 23, 2018, 10:40:07 pm
more or less yes.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 24, 2018, 12:31:41 am
Mister “I’m not leaking anything else” Vergeben  is back again.  (https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/99loqh/vergeben_has_leaked_information_about_another/) This time he’s claiming his source says that there’s another Square-Enix character on the way, but wouldn’t say who it is.

Since Cloud’s still being billed as being from FF7 specifically, it’s probably not another Final Fantasy character.  Maybe we’ll finally see Geno in Smash?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 24, 2018, 12:47:51 am
Mister “I’m not leaking anything else” Vergeben  is back again.  (https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/99loqh/vergeben_has_leaked_information_about_another/) This time he’s claiming his source says that there’s another Square-Enix character on the way, but wouldn’t say who it is.

Since Cloud’s still being billed as being from FF7 specifically, it’s probably not another Final Fantasy character.  Maybe we’ll finally see Geno in Smash?

many people are thinking that sora from the kingdom hearts series is gonna be in it but we'll see what happens
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 24, 2018, 12:51:38 am
Would be cool, though the easy money's on Cloud clone with Zach.  I'd enjoy a Dragon Quest rep for sure.  It'd probably be a more recent one, but besides Monsters, my most played and enjoyed entry in the series was with III, so I'd love to have the protagonist from that in.  Can even do the Robin/Corrin thing and have both male and female avatars.

(https://cdn57.androidauthority.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Dragon-Quest-3-710x390.jpg)


But if we end up just stuck with Final Fantasy, I'd be equally happy if we got another FF VII rep that's more than just a clone.  Tifa in Smash would be absolutely awesome.  Sephiroth would be even better, but I'm not sure how you'll get around his sword reaching one end of the stage to the other without making it look weird shortening it.  I'm not confident with the many rights between not just Square Enix but Disney as well to sort through to get Sora in, but I'd be beyond ecstatic to play as him.

Oh.  I'm just wishing now, but it just struck me that Tomb Raider is a Square Enix property now.  My god, I would LOVE to play as Lara Croft in Smash.  Classic look with Anniversary era reboot and modern reboot outfit for alts, twin handguns like Bayonetta, rappelling line for grabs, maybe borrowing some grenade stuff from Snake or bows and pickaxe from her modern reboot stuff?  It's not going to happen, but I'm loving just imagining how it'd turn out.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on August 24, 2018, 06:36:41 am
Another day, another Vergeben rumor, eh?

I'd totally be down for Geno.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 1Ultima on August 24, 2018, 08:13:06 am
Sora's techically a Disney character so it probs wont be him.
My money's on Neku personally.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 24, 2018, 04:44:42 pm
Sora's techically a Disney character so it probs wont be him.
My money's on Neku personally.

mine's on geno since its mii outfit in the previous game is foreshadowing
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: StevenB on August 24, 2018, 05:13:01 pm
It's obviously Lara Croft you guys
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 24, 2018, 06:55:30 pm
If anything, if we do get another FF7 rep, my best bet would be either Tifa or Aeris. Sure Aeris is dead but there's still a possibility. We got Metal Face as a hazard/boss and he's dead in his game of origin.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Byakko on August 24, 2018, 06:58:07 pm
Sure Aeris is dead
what
So are Mario, Megaman and Luigi
but there's a Spirits mode.

oh wait you're seriously thinking that characters who have died in their original game can't participate in a crossover for some reason ? Why
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 24, 2018, 07:10:17 pm
Idk, just an odd feeling I had in mind
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MR. IBZS II on August 24, 2018, 07:18:54 pm
If I can only use post-Brawl Mario, Smash 4 Mega Man, and Luigi, I guess I can't ever play that mode. I'm bad at using all of them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 24, 2018, 08:38:04 pm
If anything, if we do get another FF7 rep, my best bet would be either Tifa or Aeris. Sure Aeris is dead but there's still a possibility. We got Metal Face as a hazard/boss and he's dead in his game of origin.
I feel like if Square was willing to let Sakurai do anything else with FF7, they would have let him use more than two songs.

Honestly Geno might actually be the most likely pick, if only because they’ve already gotten permission to use the character’s likeness in Smash with that Mii costume.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: NamelessOnlinePlayer on August 24, 2018, 09:55:29 pm
Vergeben also said a few days ago that Ken would come too. (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76915219?jumpto=13#13)

Also, I'm sure the SE character he's talking about is definitely Geno. Sakurai has already stated that he chosed this game's characters based on the ballot, (https://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-on-smash-bros-ultimate-newest-fighter-reveals-modes-and-more/) so it makes sense to bring him in

Quote
When deciding what fighters would be included in this game, we used Smash for Wii U/3DS’ character survey as reference.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 24, 2018, 10:03:16 pm
If what he says is true, now all we need is Bison to complete the trio since both of them defeated Bison in the movie, killed him together in PxZ2 and Bison brainwashed Ken to use him to kill Ryu.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 24, 2018, 11:32:24 pm
I highly doubt any of the third party franchises are going to get another rep that isn't an Echo. Ryu's the original, Ken's the Echo, Bison's the (assist) trophy if you're lucky.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 24, 2018, 11:55:32 pm
I'll take him as a collectible trophy if possible.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on August 25, 2018, 12:39:18 am
You know, is there a slim chance Sagat could be in? He was the first final boss in the NES version of Street Fighter before Bison. I can see why Bison gets in, arch nemesis of the franchise and greater recognition.

Personally, I'd be interested in seeing Chun-Li for a cameo (not necessarily a fighter). As it stands, including echoes, optional costumes and participating partners (Ice Climbers), Smash has 18 female characters, give or take.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 25, 2018, 12:48:25 am
Probably not even high on the list of possible reasons to consider characters or not, but it occurs to me with Ryu's boosted power to his moves by replicating their movements in Street Fighter compared to basic Smash button presses, Chun-Li's might be problematic with stages with multiple levels.  I can picture the aggravation people would have trying to perform a superior Spinning Bird Kick and then accidently just fall through the floor.

Ken as an echo feels both fitting and taking a step backwards personally.  He started as a Ryu clone, but over the number of Street Fighter games that have come out has further and further distanced himself from being a one-for-one copy of Ryu.  And making him an echo fighter instead of just being similar like Lucas to Ness in Smash would just lose some of that charm.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on August 25, 2018, 11:11:38 am
Well, we have Chrom he has Aether despite being a Roy echo.

Honestly, after Chrom appeared, it's become kinda vague as to what limitations an echo must abide by.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 25, 2018, 12:01:03 pm
Dark Samus is floatier than Samus and appears to have a shorter but quicker roll dodge. At this point it feels like an Echo is a character that uses another character as a base, but only starting from Sm4sh; they can have any number of differences compared to the original while still clearly being based on that character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: The Street Fighter on August 25, 2018, 02:09:54 pm
I respect Ken for being "Mr. Echo" , but I honestly rather want Akuma or Sakura. At least they will be very much different from Ryu than Ken could be, Still, I think if there is a second, Ken makes sense. Chun-Li would be epic too, but I can see her as an Assist Trophy.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: no1wammy on August 26, 2018, 04:28:57 am
(cross-quote)

Geese as a guest in Tekken7

Mai as a guest in DOA

Terry as a guest in both Fighting Layer EX and King of Combat (with Benimaru as well in this game)

and now Iori in Million Arthur Arcana Blood ?

If SNK appeared in Super Smash Bros., who would you see making it? SNK doesn't have much reps, but Athena did appear in NES, and SNK Heroines: Tag Team Frenzy is on the Switch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 26, 2018, 04:32:46 am
I would say Leona, Ralf or Clark. Preferably Leona.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 26, 2018, 04:44:20 am
If SNK were to get someone in the game, it would have to be the face of their most recognizable series, which I would imagine would be King of Fighters and Metal Slug.  So Kyo or Marco.  Fittingly, Kyo would transition fine to a Smash fighter, while Marco with various other Metal Slug items would work well as an assist trophy.

Not out of the realm of possibility, SNK has been porting a large portion of their library to all the various consoles, including the Switch, but I don't think anyone's really pining for a SNK character in Smash, and certainly not in the initial base roster.  But you never know with DLC what can come.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on August 26, 2018, 06:09:23 am
I'd expect a KOF rep if we were getting an SNK character.
Probably Kyo or Iori.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Foobs on August 26, 2018, 06:16:46 am
I could see Athena getting in as promotion for the heroines game. Plus SNK uses her almost as much as Kyo, she's in every KOF, CvS, SvC, the girly fighters, the TCG games, their dating sims, the bullet hell arcade thing, the pachinko things, the rythmn game thing.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 26, 2018, 01:01:25 pm
SNK really isn’t that well known outside the FGC these days.  The only character that immediately springs to mind as being recognizable at a casual level is Terry.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 26, 2018, 01:35:07 pm
(cross-quote)

Geese as a guest in Tekken7

Mai as a guest in DOA

Terry as a guest in both Fighting Layer EX and King of Combat (with Benimaru as well in this game)

and now Iori in Million Arthur Arcana Blood ?

If SNK appeared in Super Smash Bros., who would you see making it? SNK doesn't have much reps, but Athena did appear in NES, and SNK Heroines: Tag Team Frenzy is on the Switch.

mine would have to be either billy kane from fatal fury, eiji kisaragi from art of fighting 2 because there hasn't been a third party ninja character yet, or nakoruru from samurai shodown
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: The Street Fighter on August 26, 2018, 01:51:13 pm
SNK in Smash?
Haohmaru would be my ideal choice.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 26, 2018, 02:45:40 pm
According to a possible leak from Best Buy Canada (https://nintendosoup.com/rumor-you-can-unlock-characters-in-super-smash-bros-ultimate-by-tapping-their-amiibo/), you may be able to use amiibos to instantly unlock characters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 26, 2018, 03:25:26 pm
According to a possible leak from Best Buy Canada (https://nintendosoup.com/rumor-you-can-unlock-characters-in-super-smash-bros-ultimate-by-tapping-their-amiibo/), you may be able to use amiibos to instantly unlock characters.

i read that on twitter
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 26, 2018, 04:14:23 pm
If the leak is true then I will have to stop at nothing to get the Amiibo I want.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 26, 2018, 04:18:19 pm
If the leak is true then I will have to stop at nothing to get the Amiibo I want.

and it'll be too easy to get characters
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 26, 2018, 04:38:04 pm
only if you're the type that'll just throw money out just to quickly unlock the fighters instead of saving money and try to unlock them by meeting the unlock criteria.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on August 26, 2018, 05:32:03 pm
Unless they intend to throw in stupid prerequisites to unlock people like Mewtwo's old unlock in Melee, I can't imagine it being that big a deal.  Just run through Classic a few times, probably unlock a few through whatever that new mode that's likely Story mode, the few left shouldn't be worth the $15 or more.

I mean, people will still buy them, I'm tempted, but not specifically for that use.  I liked the training their A.I. aspect from Smash 4, would hope they can still be used for that purpose too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 26, 2018, 11:27:08 pm
They did said that Amiibo data from Smash 4 can be transferred to Ultimate so whatever level your Amiibo's AI is at, it'll carry over. And of course it'll function like in Smash 4.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on August 27, 2018, 03:57:58 am
Amiibos can be used to unlock characters, eh?

That's neat, but I think I'll probably just play through that green mode (AKA "Spirits") to unlock them... assuming, of course, that characters can be unlocked in that mode in the first place.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 27, 2018, 10:47:59 am
I imagine that (semi-)clones/Echoes would also be unlocked in the traditional fashion of beating Classic Mode with the original character, so beating it with Pikachu would net you Pichu.

I mean, I hope that's the case.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on August 27, 2018, 11:05:31 am
Man, I remember the days where I had to unlock Ganondorf by playing Classic as Captain Falcon.

I wonder if we'll get any echos/clones where the original character is from a different series again.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Bastard Mami on August 27, 2018, 04:11:20 pm
SNK in Smash?
Haohmaru would be my ideal choice.
Kyo or naku would be pretty good because of both popularity and fighting mechanics.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: MotorRoach on August 27, 2018, 04:45:29 pm
Kyo would be a perfect fit, in my opinion. I mean, his rekka could work much like Marth's side B, from the way I see it.

Plus, Kyo has yet to make a guest appearance into another game. Even Iori got to do it before he did lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on August 28, 2018, 12:19:20 am
Amiibos can be used to unlock characters, eh?

That's neat, but I think I'll probably just play through that green mode (AKA "Spirits") to unlock them... assuming, of course, that characters can be unlocked in that mode in the first place.

All I'm hoping for is that they actually make the unlockable characters require a little effort to encounter. Smash 4 pretty much defeated the purpose of having secret characters, the criteria were so easy to meet.

I could go for some off-the-wall Melee style requirements.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PBRTODD101 on August 28, 2018, 12:22:23 am
Sorry, but if an SNK character is going to be in Smash, it’s gotta be Terry. There is no question. Terry is the most iconic SNK has to offer. Even if Nakoruru has rivaled or even surpassed him in popularity, there’s still no way Terry wouldn’t make it in. That being said, a SNK character in Smash Bros is very unlikely. I’d say Shantae has a better chance.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: RoySquadRocks on August 28, 2018, 01:33:55 am
I’d say Shantae has a better chance.
Atta boy, PBRTODD!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 28, 2018, 03:32:48 am
Hopefully they'll give us the 2 unlock methods with one obvious method being playing enough Smash Battles while the other being clearing Classic Mode or whatnot. I hope they don't make certain fighters difficult to unlock because not everyone who plays Smash plays it professionally.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Darkflare on August 28, 2018, 10:57:04 am
All I'm hoping for is that they actually make the unlockable characters require a little effort to encounter. Smash 4 pretty much defeated the purpose of having secret characters, the criteria were so easy to meet.

I could go for some off-the-wall Melee style requirements.
Hell no, I'm not leaving my Switch on overnight to unlock a character.

I'm of the opposite camp and am hoping character unlocks are trivial and easy like Smash 4.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on August 28, 2018, 10:59:39 am
I could go for some off-the-wall Melee style requirements.

As long as it's not Mewtwo's.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on August 29, 2018, 04:09:10 am
This week’s song is an arrangement of the main theme from Yoshi’s New Island by Shota Kageyama.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 31, 2018, 04:06:44 am
returning from super smash bros brawl  it's wolf from star fox 64



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Today's Fighter
#44: Wolf
The leader of the Star Wolf mercenary team makes his grand return after 10 years! He puts his sharp claws to good use in wild attacks, and his Final Smash is an all-out attack by Team Star Wolf! If Fox or Falco is in the battle, you may hear a unique line of dialog.

also like fox and falco, i'm very glad they change wolf's final smash the entire star wolf is here as a cameo appearance

rip landmaster
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on August 31, 2018, 04:56:00 am
Now my question is... how angled is the launch from the attack? I noticed Fox and Falco's Final Smash launch angles are different from each other with Falco's being more up-angled than Fox's.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on August 31, 2018, 05:00:25 am
Now my question is... how angled is the launch from the attack? I noticed Fox and Falco's Final Smash launch angles are different from each other with Falco's being more up-angled than Fox's.

and not to mentions falco's a wild flier during his final smash
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 05, 2018, 03:16:42 am
Fortress Boss from SMB3 is this week’s song, with a new arrangement by Akihiro Honda of Metal Gear Solid and Zone of the Enders acclaim.



That fucking violin goes in HARD.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on September 05, 2018, 10:44:42 pm
Tomorrow, there will be a new Nintendo Direct! While it's not a Smash one, I think it's safe to assume there'll be some kind of Smash news here.

https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1037339567630639109

My short predictions:
1 new fighter tacked on at the end.
1 or 2 new echo fighters announced alongside the new character. Maybe they'll even take a different route and announce echoes throughout the whole direct?
A teaser of what that green mode is?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 05, 2018, 11:14:20 pm
I... kind of doubt this direct will focus on Smash at all. The only thing I would hope to see is if they announce an actual full-on Smash direct date.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on September 05, 2018, 11:55:09 pm
my prediction for tomorrow's direct:

some smash bros ultimate news

newcomer during that sort of news

some echo fighters to be added more

more stages from previous games to be added

that's it
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: koolaid on September 06, 2018, 12:17:59 am
my prediction for tomorrow's direct:

some smash bros ultimate news

newcomer during that sort of news

some echo fighters to be added more

more stages from previous games to be added

that's it

they already have all the maps already from previous installments so they they'd probably have new ones. i'm just hoping that they talk about that rumored "spirits" mode.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 06, 2018, 12:29:25 am
I would imagine if this isn't specifically focused on Smash, they wouldn't devout such little time to reveal something supposedly so big as a new story mode.  That can wait.  I'm gonna go along with the nothing to small news crowd.  At most maybe one of those new character with clone leaks, like Gardevoir/Gothitelle, but I'm not really holding out for it.

Would be nice if they gave us Yoshi news.  Would be over the moon if we got some Metroid news.  But timing like this, end of summer going into fall, I'd imagine it's here to prop up later year purchases.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 06, 2018, 12:32:03 am
It’s a Nintendo direct, not a Smash direct, so don’t expect too much.  At most, one new character trailer and maybe an echo if they’re from the same series,  like they did with Simon and Richter.

Come on, Porky Minch with Ninten as a Ness/Lucas echo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 06, 2018, 12:40:34 am
Man, now you got me thinking about that hypothetical Giygas as a Mewtwo echo I threw out a while ago.  Still think that would be a real cool idea, another villain, multi-game Mother representation.  Not that I at all expect it still, just wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 06, 2018, 12:45:31 am
Ever since I saw it brought up,  Porky in his spider mechanic from the end of Earthbound has been my most wanted newcomer.  I’m imagining him using moves from his boss fight in Brawl combined with PSI, and his final smash could be unleashing Giygas.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: koolaid on September 06, 2018, 12:47:33 am
i like yall's arguments but ridley and king k rool had a minute or two of screen time/reveal trailer and those were big things. I imagine it as right at the end of of the direct the person whos doin announcments will be like "heres one more thing that we would like you to look at" or "we have one more surprise; please take a look" or some thing like that.

sorry if my responses are a little late im not a speedy typer
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 06, 2018, 12:56:19 am
I'd enjoy Porky, but he has a similar issue to Ridley with size but the other end.  In Brawl they were able to portray it best with the spider behind huge because his body in the middle still needs to be proportionately the right size.  To shrink that spider down to a playable character size would also mean shrinking the actual Porky inside to, like, the size of Mario's hand.  Unless they update the robot coffin's design to be much more form-fitting, almost like an Iron Man/Doc Ock fusion or something, I'd imagine it just looking weird on the kid himself.  I'm sure it can be done, just trying to picture it in my head it doesn't seem fitting.

D'oh, it just cleared my head that you meant Earthbound and not Mother 3.  This thing.
(https://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/7465/783394-super_smash_bros_brawl_20080125113351204.jpg)
Well, disregard most of that, this can work better, if still needs to probably be shrunk a little to Bowser's size.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 06, 2018, 01:07:15 am
I mean it’s a single-person vehicle sized for a child.  If Porky’s body was the same size as Ness’, the mech would be about Bowser-sized at best.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 06, 2018, 01:13:08 am
Yeah, I just straight mis-read you post.  Basically Smash version of Tron Bonne, I suppose.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 06, 2018, 01:16:15 am
Basically.

I’m imagining a final smash where he rips open a portal and the background changes to the fucked up Giygas sprite and he launches everyone like 5-Volt on Gamer and I’m gonna be really bummed when that never happens.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: koolaid on September 06, 2018, 01:37:26 am
it would be pretty cool if porky was in the game but i think lack of mother/earthbound fans asking for it would probably mean we wouldn't get him

plus that final smash sounds op
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: vgma2 on September 06, 2018, 09:36:32 am
inb4 no smash news
If we're going to have at least one newcomer revealed per direct, and all new characters revealed before the game releases, what's the minimum amount of characters we'll get?
Anyone here familar with the frequency of Nintendo Directs?
EDIT:
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Due to the powerful earthquake in Hokkaido, Japan, we have decided to delay this week’s planned Nintendo Direct. We will provide a new time and date in the near future. Thank you for your understanding.
https://twitter.com/nintendoeurope/status/1037596415999004672?s=21
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: GTAguy on September 06, 2018, 10:43:26 am
I'm worried for people in Japan than the direct itself.
Stay safe folks.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on September 06, 2018, 02:00:34 pm
Yeah some of the comments on that post is sickening and selfish. I hope everyone is alright over there.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 06, 2018, 10:43:44 pm
I pray for the victims and their families
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Uche_of_MFG on September 07, 2018, 05:36:14 am
This just proves that majority of people living in this world harbor onto the worst aspects of humanity.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Knuckles8864 on September 07, 2018, 09:21:02 am
A tweet from Nintendo of America:

Due to the powerful earthquake in Hokkaido, Japan, we have decided to delay this week’s planned Nintendo Direct. We will provide a new time and date in the near future. Thank you for your understanding.

Edit: Whoops. Someone beat me to the punch already.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 07, 2018, 01:39:40 pm
Well, the blog didn’t update yesterday so it looks like there was definitely something in the direct for Smash they were going to cover.  If the direct isn’t rescheduled soon, we’ll probably hear it first from the next issue of Famitsu that’s already gone to print.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on September 07, 2018, 05:26:07 pm
i heard a rumor that a nintendo direct may be rescheduled due to a splatoon 2 datamine

https://nintendoeverything.com/splatoon-2-datamine-may-suggest-that-the-next-nintendo-direct-will-now-air-on-september-13/
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 09, 2018, 03:13:08 pm
In somewhat disappointing news, David Hayter said at a recent panel (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/09/snakes_voice_actor_says_new_codecs_have_not_been_recorded_for_super_smash_bros_ultimate) that he has not been asked to record any new codec conversations for Ultimate.  He did say he would want to do one for every character given the chance, but Nintendo hasn’t had him do it yet.

There’s still a few weeks until the game goes gold, so it’s possible they’re just saving that for last.  Still,  I’d be more than a little bummed if the codec easter eggs didn’t make it back along with Snake.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 09, 2018, 03:21:29 pm
I'll be disappointed myself... I hope they bring back Palutena's Guidance but with the codec thing being somehow uncertain, I have a feeling we may not get that easter egg back either.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 09, 2018, 04:53:23 pm
They could have a similar new easter egg, just as how Pit replaced Snake's codex talks.  Except I don't know who, I'd say Simon for CastleVania being the new star series to be introduced but he's not really known for talking.  If anything it would be Alucard talking with Death about the players, which isn't really an option with him not being playable.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 09, 2018, 05:10:00 pm
The most common one I’ve seen tossed around would be Splatoon style commentary from Callie and Marie or Pearl and Marina, but since they don’t actually speak IDK how effective that would be in-game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 09, 2018, 05:34:20 pm
Ohh, I like that idea.  Especially with how sassy they get when pestered.  The codex and Pit's thing had actual dialog boxes, they can still have the 2/4 of them speaking Inkling and just have it translated in the text below.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 10, 2018, 01:03:22 am
inb4 they do it with Star Fox instead with Slippy and/or Peppy giving Fox an analysis on fighters and how to deal with them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on September 10, 2018, 05:43:19 am
it's time for another today's fighter in which we'll be covering mario's main antagonist: bowser



Quote
Today's Fighter
#14: Bowser
Who's the greatest nemesis of all!? It's King Bowser! In Super Smash Bros. his power and weight make him a reliable fighter. Use his Fire Breath to keep opponents at bay, then use his damaging attacks to launch them off the stage! He transforms into Giga Bowser for his Final Smash and delivers a super powerful punch!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 12, 2018, 03:00:12 am
This week’s music is the Pikmin main theme.



Holy hells, a Pikmin remix that’s actually appropriate to fight to.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 14, 2018, 12:40:46 am
Isabelle confirmed! Hells yes!  Looks like she might be more of a semi-clone of Villager rather than an echo.  Either way, she looks great!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on September 14, 2018, 12:42:18 am
Heh, didn't see that coming.

If I didn't already have a Switch, I'd totally get that bundle. I'd really like to have that dock.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 14, 2018, 12:44:16 am
I wish I played or got the real appeal to Animal Crossing to get more behind this, but she looks cute, character looks different enough from Villager in moveset that I'm cool with it.  Maybe I'll see what the deal is with the new Switch Animal Crossing next year.

Lack of Sakurai this video is sure gonna throw theorists into a frenzy that those colored chairs last video are still relevant for the next Smash direct.

So, uh, with FF VII getting a nice little port to Switch, along with IX, X and X-2, can we NOW get more FF music in Smash?  Also as an aside I'm suddenly wondering why they haven't bundled the XIII titles together with your typical remastering.  But then, I'm also wondering at the VIII-sized gap in that list of ports, so whatever, derailing to not-Smash stuff.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: WumpaFruit96 on September 14, 2018, 12:45:58 am
It's so unexpected to see Isabelle being a playable character!
I'm actually a little dissapointed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 14, 2018, 12:46:26 am
Just checked the Smash site and she’s listed as fighter 68.  So yes, she’s not an echo fighter.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: WumpaFruit96 on September 14, 2018, 12:49:32 am
Sigh... It should've been fine if she was an echo fighter.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on September 14, 2018, 12:50:23 am
Isabelle confirmed! Hells yes!  Looks like she might be more of a semi-clone of Villager rather than an echo.  Either way, she looks great!

not to mention her final smash is alot similar to villager's only instead of a home it's a town hall of some sort
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 14, 2018, 12:52:17 am
Sigh... It should've been fine if she was an echo fighter.

That would have been fine, yes.  But this is better!  I’m just so happy to see her in at all.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: drewski90 on September 14, 2018, 12:54:21 am
Sigh... It should've been fine if she was an echo fighter.

That would have been fine, yes.  But this is better!  I’m just so happy to see her in at all.

like little mac she too was once an assist trophy in the previous game and now she's playable
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on September 14, 2018, 12:57:10 am
I can see Ranai breaking this character in majors already.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 14, 2018, 01:19:58 am
I randomly picked Isabelle in Mario Kart 8 so I know her a bit. Now she's a fighter? That surprised me, really. Glad we got a new fighter in general in today's direct.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Cyborg Sun on September 14, 2018, 01:26:09 am
Isabelle is not an entirely unexpected character, imo, but still a very welcome addition to the ultimate battle!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 14, 2018, 01:29:18 am
Yeah. Now we sit at 68 fighters (74 if you count echoes)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on September 14, 2018, 01:43:48 am
The leaks so far have been on point, aside from Isabelle not an Echo Fighter.  The remaining ones are a Square Enix character (Geno) and a Gen 7 Pokémon.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 14, 2018, 02:35:46 am
Looking over the gameplay footage some more, I’m impressed with how they worked Isabelle’s role in Animal Crossing into her moves.  Building public works projects like signs and swings, maintaining the town hall, and celebrating the player’s achievements; They totally could have gotten away with making her an echo and nobody would’ve complained, but they put in the extra work for Isabelle.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 16, 2018, 01:37:03 pm
A couple of leaks/rumors/news/whatever you want to call it just popped up:

The latest issue of Corocoro had an article on Smash, claiming that at least 108 stages are in the game (https://imgur.com/a/Y24VaBn).  If this is legit, it would mean the 103 stage count from the last direct wasn’t final.

Also, Vergeben’s back again,  (https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77008096/908847363)seemingly confirming that the Gen 7 Pokémon rep he mentioned before is in fact Incineroar, along with once again calling out Ken as an echo fighter.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: The Street Fighter on September 16, 2018, 02:15:42 pm
I think Isabelle is a perfect choice for Smash, and I'm happy they went out of their way to make her unique instead of a clone. Yes, more a semi-clone, but not an echo.

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/8f3a2f9ee61179e33fd397aab9ae470c/tumblr_ouul5tXcql1req1eco2_500.gif)

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 16, 2018, 03:12:22 pm
Hm.  Out of the many different Pokémon there are, really would have liked it not to be Incineroar.  I just don't get the appeal, it's such a bland Pokemon with much better designed pre-evolutions, plus the whole diversity of Pokemon types would have been nice if they didn't go with another Fire but whatever.  Just not my guy to use then, leave it with the Fire Emblem cast I suppose.

Of course, what he goes on to say is all but straight confirmed true, we should expect plenty off post-launch content and see what else DLC brings us.  I would still like to see a number of Square Enix characters make the jump outside the fan favorite Geno, who'll likely make the initial roster.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 16, 2018, 03:26:39 pm
One thing in Incineroar’s favor is that he already has the best final smash in the game baked into his move pool.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 16, 2018, 03:37:15 pm
Eh.  I get it, but there's a line between funny and stupid, and personally that crosses the line.  I liked Primarina's spirit bomb or even Decidueye's tad bit boring raining arrows better.  Plus I feel like that would clash if used in Little Mac's stage?  Might just be looking too deep into that though, I mean, Captain Falcon just pulls a racetrack out of nowhere for his final smash.

It was just such a forgettable Pokémon for me that I practically almost never touched it, and only did because I got a shiny one in a wonder trade.  That I ended up banking anyways because I wasn't a fan of it.  More power to those who like it though I guess, seeing how sure this usually accurate leaker is.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 16, 2018, 03:56:41 pm
I mean I’ve always been a fan of Incineroar personally, but putting personal preferences aside I feel like he has the most potential for Smash.  They’ve never really had a dedicated grappler/wrestler type character, so that alone makes me interested to see how he’d play.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: 1Ultima on September 16, 2018, 04:01:32 pm
Incineroar makes the most sense since he's literally a heel fighter already.
Plus he has plot armor due to Ash having one(or at least the pre evo)

Dunno how to feel about a possible Geno rep. On the one hand its well deserved and would potencially open the gates to actually rereleasing the game one day, along with getting more attention to the series as a whole.

On the other hand, Geno is so obvious. I hope they pull the rug from under us and have Neku or someone else but its probably Geno.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Kirishima on September 16, 2018, 04:18:48 pm
Eh.  I get it, but there's a line between funny and stupid, and personally that crosses the line.  I liked Primarina's spirit bomb or even Decidueye's tad bit boring raining arrows better.  Plus I feel like that would clash if used in Little Mac's stage?  Might just be looking too deep into that though, I mean, Captain Falcon just pulls a racetrack out of nowhere for his final smash.
Ice Climbers summon a giant Iceberg regardless what stage they are in, King K. Rool somehow teleports his opponents to Kong Island for him to nuke, Ridley and Fox/Falco/Wolf pulls the opponent to deep space, etc. 

Don't see how Incineroar's Z-move is the one that looks strange.  They are just Final Smashes.

Quote
I just don't get the appeal
There is.  #1 traded Pokémon in GTS in the past, #1 choice in Pokémon Refresh (surprisingly; also both are from the official Global Link), #1 VGC '18 Pokémon, has a major movie role, frequent anime appearences to the point where there could be a chance the main character's Torracat can evolve into this in the future.

You'd be surprised to see how popular it is. 

I don't see the reason for Decidueye to be in Smash other than the fact it is a Final Stage Grass starter.  It's like Sceptile in the past after its Mega Form was shown.
Incineroar looks like it can have a diverse moveset with command grab possibilities combined with ranged projectiles.

While on the topic of what other Pokémon can work in Smash, Gardevoir would've been my second pick with Rowlet and Tapu Koko in third.

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On the other hand, Geno is so obvious. I hope they pull the rug from under us and have Neku or someone else but its probably Geno.
I never realized how much I want Neku as a playable character with badge mechanics.  Sadly, other than Geno and a couple of Mario RPG remixes, I have a feeling we won't see any other Square media in Smash (assist trophy, media, trophies) but I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 16, 2018, 04:45:22 pm
Incineroar's is the one that can hypothetically pull a character into a little cutscene during the attack just like it does in Sun/Moon that just so happens to be done on a stage similar to one we already have as playable.  Ice Climber's iceberg is interactive on the actual stage, not pulling you away from it and K. Rool's doesn't have a matching stage.  It's just a little jarring to watch is all.  Not game breaking or anything but just weird to watch.

I'm not surprised at the cat's popularity.  I've known if it previously.  What I said was I don't get it.  It's not very appealing.  It seems there was very little thought put into its design process and does not appeal to me.  Cat wrestler with championship belt made of fire.  By all means, others can enjoy it and have fun, which it seems they do in droves, I'll just pass.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 16, 2018, 06:21:19 pm
When you phrase it like that, cat wrestler with a championship belt made of fire sounds way cooler than clown seal or owl with leaves.  :P

But it’s cool either way.  I don’t mean to be argumentative or say you need to change your mind or anything.  I was just throwing in my two cents.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on September 16, 2018, 06:50:38 pm
Personally, I would love to see an Alolan Starter in the game, and Incineroar has the best chance in my opinion. Even though I do like Primarina in general, Incineroar fits better when it comes to fighting, but Sakurai's team probably can figure out some stuff to make Primarina work. But that's only if they decide to put one in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 16, 2018, 11:44:30 pm
I have to say Incineroar has the best chance so far if Lycanroc isn't considered. I've been brain storming possible moves for its tilts and Smashes at work all day. Decidueye may also have a chance but it's already considered for Pokken as well as Sceptile.

As for Geno, that guy's only appeared twice in gaming history iirc.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: The Street Fighter on September 16, 2018, 11:53:32 pm
Pokémon is an interesting story.

A lot of people were locking on Decidueye from the get go.
Suddenly, Mimikyu was the frontrunner ...

Then the debate about Decidueye or Incineroar.

Tapu Koko was thrown in now and then, and ...  BAM Lycanroc.

People can't really decide a Gen 7 choice, becuase there are NO clear frontrunners for the part.

Even Sceptile and Gardevoir are somewhat likley outside of the Gen 7 discussion due to ORAS being released and popular around the Ballot time. We have not seen Gardevoir return in a Pokéball yet, and Sceptile is a popular Grass evolution which would fill the gap which Charizard and Greninja have, while also representing R/S/E, which was a very succesfull generation for the games, it even blew GameFreak away about the reception, and is part of why Pokémon seems like a never ending story to this day.

I don't know. Incineroar does sound likely because of Verg, but I can take literally any Pokémon out of the ones mentioned and be ok, as there were no clear "I want THAT Pokémon" this time around for me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PineappleProducer on September 17, 2018, 01:18:23 am
Blech, how about none of 'em? Out of all the possible Pokemon I've heard people talk about, not a single one of them sounds good. Though to be fair, I didn't like Gen 7 and I can't think of any Pokemon that's Smash-worthy that isn't already in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on September 17, 2018, 01:21:50 am
Personally I would've liked them to go with an Ultra Beast, considering how important they are to Sun/Moon's plot, though my actual pick would've been Golisopod because it's Guzma's main Pokémon and it looks really freaking cool.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 17, 2018, 04:02:26 am
Golisopod would be fun, mixing it its mixture of being visually a terror with his ability forcing him to be a coward, retreating when hit with enough damage.  All the more so if they throw in Guzma in the background like Red/Leaf.

I actually haven't played Sun, Moon or the Ultras in a while now, did Golisopod have a Z-move of its own that I'm forgetting?  I mean, it's not a necessity, Greninja doesn't turn into Ash-Greninja this game and they actually downgraded Charizard back to the triple attack from Brawl.  But I think the most was that Guzma liked hording all the Bug Z-stones for himself.

Also this little hypothetical of Golisopod with Guzma has me pondering Giovanni in Smash with Persian, Nidoking and Rhydon as his triple to swap through compared to the Pokémon Trainer.  Man, I hate thinking of ideas that'll never come to pass.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DarkWolf13 on September 17, 2018, 04:48:38 am
Golisopod never had its own Z-move. Only the Alolan starters, Lycanroc, Kommo-o, Mew, Snorlax, Marshadow, Pikachu, Eevee, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, Alolan Raichu and Mimikyu had unique Z-moves.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Long John Killer on September 17, 2018, 04:52:31 am
Shame.  Villain should have gotten something neat for himself, especially one they want to redeem.  Ah well, they just stole Strider Hiryu's moves for Greninja, they can make something up for a large samurai shrimp.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on September 17, 2018, 02:02:24 pm
At this point, we are just guessing on which Pokémon's going into the game. It could be a completely random Pokémon at this point, so I'll just wait and see who's going to make the cut.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: The Street Fighter on September 17, 2018, 02:08:06 pm
If we get an Ultra Beast, this is who I want to see!

(http://pa1.narvii.com/6375/a56c5d98a09ea11536f015d902afef81bada0757_00.gif)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: DNZRX768 on September 17, 2018, 02:13:50 pm
If we get an Ultra Beast, this is who I want to see!

(http://pa1.narvii.com/6375/a56c5d98a09ea11536f015d902afef81bada0757_00.gif)


You know, I still need to beat Pokémon Moon, so I do not know what is that mosquito Pokémon is.

It is probably for the best. That thing is pretty freaky.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: The Street Fighter on September 17, 2018, 05:42:12 pm
If we get an Ultra Beast, this is who I want to see!

(http://pa1.narvii.com/6375/a56c5d98a09ea11536f015d902afef81bada0757_00.gif)


You know, I still need to beat Pokémon Moon, so I do not know what is that mosquito Pokémon is.

It is probably for the best. That thing is pretty freaky.

This is Buzzwole, a Ultra Beast. It's Sun's poster Ultra Beast. It's also perhaps the most popular out of the Ultra Beasts.

Haha. I can understand it might seem like a strange choice, but hell he would be cool imo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: GTAguy on September 17, 2018, 09:03:06 pm
Looks like we're getting closer for the game. I already have the Switch now and make sure to be careful right now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: WumpaFruit96 on September 17, 2018, 10:23:10 pm
Incineroar is indeed a nice addition.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 18, 2018, 12:20:06 am
It occurred to me that because they also included the Pikachu Libre costume in this game, they could totally do Incineroar’s reveal trailer like cutting a wrestling promo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: R565 on September 18, 2018, 12:27:08 am
It occurred to me that because they also included the Pikachu Libre costume in this game, they could totally do Incineroar’s reveal trailer like cutting a wrestling promo.

I'd flip out if that was the case.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 19, 2018, 12:16:13 am
A Nintendo press kit just surfaced with renders of a bunch of characters’ alt costumes, including a new alt for Yoshi based on Crafted World.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: PlasmoidThunder on September 19, 2018, 01:45:02 am
Curious as to how they're going to be able to differentiate between that and regular Yoshi at such a small scale.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Post by: Person Man on September 19, 2018, 03:53:33 am
This week’s song is the title theme for Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer arranged by K.K. Slider himself, Kazumi Totaka.