I knowQuoteMugen (glitches and) allows an extended invulnerability time for the "wake-up" if you jump right out of it (like in my Makoto video).NOOO! No more mugen glitches, please. There is invulnerability in the base common1.cns during the getup state and it lasts for 5 ticks afterward. Other people may change this.
Please go and LOOK before calling it a glitch, even then, it's probably not a glitch.Cyanide, I ALWAYS LOOK/READ before I speak. I ALWAYS LOOK/READ before I speak. If I am wrong, I admit it.
Most AI characters on wakeup would attack with something like a combo starter or a super... In this situation, they'd probably get thrown instead.
I blame again your complete incapacity at explaining yourself properly. And if you aknowledged that you used the wrong word and fixed it, you're really a goddamn jackass to write like you did in your previous post. Don't tell people to read your posts properly if you can't write properly.WHAT THE FUCK.
Also, your video fails for me, it goes it a fucked up spee---AND STOP FUCKING PMING ME
You called it a glitch first, Cyanide replied, you corrected yourself. Where am I wrong ? You're still a goddamn jackass and can't accept it when you make mistakes.I corrected myself by saying it wasn't a "wake-up" glitch. Where is the big change. Cyanide's comment suggested that I don't read before calling things glitches. My post was simply to clarify that I do read. This conversation was not simply about teh "wake-up" Byakko, it was on my posts as a whole. Do I have to disect Cyanide's post for you or do you get that?
My post was simply to clarify that I do read.Yeah, and you were "yelling" at him even when it wasn't your place. You're a jackass.
where the hell do you come into this Byakko?Why do you think I deleted my post ? Because I knew you would act like an idiot like you're currently doing. What does it matter what I am doing here ? Are you so stupid you change your behavior depending on who's talking to you even when they're saying the same thing ?
can you resist the urge to speak to me.Can you resist the urge to behave like you're currently doing when the fault is really yours ?
STOP JUMPING IN WITH STUPID SHIT ALL OF TEH TIME.Stop pointing fingers and calling glitch this and glitch that and random insults there and some yelling here when you're the one making mistakes.
Oh Right, the random insult that has no place here.Random insults ? You're the one who's yelling and getting on your high horses.
Who the hell are you to decide whether I am yelling at him or not. I call Cyanide MY GOD for Christ's sake. I LIKE Cyanide, jackass. I wouldn't yell at him. Stop subjecting me to your own interpretations, and CALM YOUR ASS DOWN. Stop being so god damn hasty.QuoteMy post was simply to clarify that I do read.Yeah, and you were "yelling" at him even when it wasn't your place.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. I deleted my post as well and I thought the situation would be over and done with.Quotewhere the hell do you come into this Byakko?Why do you think I deleted my post ? Because I knew you would act like an idiot like you're currently doing. what does it matter what am doing here ?
Was I yelling? No. What did I say, NOTHING OFFENSIVE.Baiken said:Well obviously you missed the part where it's flat-out written in the common1.cns and called it a glitch anyway !OMG Byakko, did you read that. I'm not calling that a glitch, I switched what I was talking about.
Try reading ::)
I blame again your complete incapacity at explaining yourself properly. And if you aknowledged that you used the wrong word and fixed it, you're really a goddamn jackass to write like you did in your previous post. Don't tell people to read your posts properly if you can't write properly.
By the way, your video doesn't work for me, it goes it a fucked up spee---AND STOP PMING ME, MY EYES WORK FINE THANK YOU
I wouldn't yell at him.so like I said, again, I blame your incompetence in writing properly. Can you just get back the previous page and look at your reply to Cyanide ? Now explain the font size change and caps lock everywhere. In case you don't know, that's the writing equivalent of yelling. Like you're currently doing at me. And I repeat, don't blame others for your failure at writing properly. You do that all the fucking time. And you wonder why I barge in...
Oh so me changing my Font Size is yelling now? As I said, who the Fuck are you to determine whetehr I'm yelling or not?QuoteI wouldn't yell at him.so like I said, again, I blame your incompetence in writing properly. Can you just get back the previous page and look at your reply to Cyanide ? Now explain the font size change everywhere. I'm waiting.
As I said, who the Fuck are you to determine whetehr I'm yelling or not?Internet, learn about it. The way you were writing back there is what makes you look like a jackass, no matter who you are, and no matter how you thought it was. You do that all the fucking time.
I changed my Font Size for simple emphasis.
The drama started with YOU:You for blaming others of your own failure, you for not admitting said failure...
- You for not reading
- You for subjecting me for bad interpretations
- And you for posting in your usual dramatized way
So wait, you are basing my emotion on the text I used? Really, don't you find that a little ridiculous Byakko? It is plain sillly to say, "Hey, he posted in this particular fashion, he must be expressing this emotion" because that will not always hold true. Why not just calm you hasty ass down and ask me? Do you really think that subjecting others to your own interpretations OVER THE INTERNET, instead of asking them what their motive is, is the best course of action? BTW Byakko, if you remember, when I actually do get mad, or really, (in general) just to better express my feelings, I TELL ALL using these *...*QuoteAs I said, who the Fuck are you to determine whetehr I'm yelling or not?Internet, learn about it. The way you were writing back there is what makes you look like a jackass, no matter who you are, and no matter how you thought it was. You do that all the fucking time.
I changed my Font Size for simple emphasis.
You are a total and complete joke. I already said, "I mislabeled it though; that is not a "wake-up" glitch" which brings us back to YOU NOT READING. Cut and Dry, you are at fault. Hey, Byakko, ever notice how many people have argued with you and how you never seem to think you're wrong? You ever think that old sig of yours is utter foolishness? Look at yourself, LOOK AT YOURSELF, and THINK ABOUT IT.QuoteThe drama started with YOU:You for blaming others of your own failure, you for not admitting said failure...
- You for not reading
- You for subjecting me for bad interpretations
- And you for posting in your usual dramatized way
So wait, you are basing my emotion on the text I used? Really, don't you find that a little ridiculous Byakko? It is plain sillly to say, "Hey, he posted in this particular fashion, he must be expressing this emotion" because that will not always hold true."Hey, he called me a jackass, that must mean he's jumping the gun, he's being HASTY, so I must tell him to calm his ass down" - excuse me, I mean "CALM HIS ASS DOWN". Rings any bell ?
Why not just calm you hasty ass down and ask me?Because this has been happening times and times again and you're told the exact same thing every single time and you're still doing it right now.
which brings us back to YOU NOT READING. Cut and Dry, you are at fault.Uh, you're still not even getting what I'm talking about, apparently. Go back and read what I'm saying in my previous posts, thank you. You're trying so damn hard to prove me wrong that you don't even know what I'm talking about.
Hey, Byakko, ever notice how many people have argued with you and how you never seem to think you're wrong? (...) Look at yourself, LOOK AT YOURSELF, and THINK ABOUT IT.Right back at you. So far you're still proving me right. Prove me wrong and I'll consider it. Unlike you, I know what I'm talking about.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I know english isn't your first language, but you must understand that calling someone a Jackass is an insult. Please tell me you know that?QuoteSo wait, you are basing my emotion on the text I used? Really, don't you find that a little ridiculous Byakko? It is plain sillly to say, "Hey, he posted in this particular fashion, he must be expressing this emotion" because that will not always hold true."Hey, he called me a jackass, that must mean he's jumping the gun, so I must tell him to calm his ass down" rings any bell ?
What? How many people do you see jumping the gun and calling me out as a 'yeller,' when I'm not even yelling? As I said, I'll use these *...* to express my emotions thank you, and I will make it clearly known whether I am posting angrily or not.QuoteWhy not just calm you hasty ass down and ask me?Because this has been happening times and times again and you're told the exact same thing every single time and you're still doing it right now.
Oh brother. Too bad, I actually apologize when I'm wrong. Hell I even apologize when I don't believe I'm wrong, but only because I want to end drama.Quotewhich brings us back to YOU NOT READING. Cut and Dry, you are at fault.Uh, you're still not even getting what I'm talking about, apparently. Go back and read what I'm saying in my previous posts, thank you.QuoteHey, Byakko, ever notice how many people have argued with you and how you never seem to think you're wrong? (...) Look at yourself, LOOK AT YOURSELF, and THINK ABOUT IT.Right back at you.
Somehow, though, I don't even think a smiley face would have helped this situation.Indeed, makes it look like everyone in this topic was talking to him. ;POr could it be that it makes it look like 'I was talking to everyone else ;)?' What other people think (who is talking to whom) matters little to me.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I know english isn't your first language, but you must understand that calling someone a Jackass is an insult. Please tell me you know that?So what ? Do I need to jump the gun to describe how the grass is green ? Do I need to jump the gun to describe you acting like a jackass ?
when I'm not even yelling?Oooh, this is gonna last-- what's wrong with your ability to read ? Or is it your comprehension that is hindered ? If it was true, why did you jump the gun at me for telling you that ? And what's wrong with that concept of that's just how it looks like no matter what you think you're saying, what part of it do you not understand ?
OK, wow, I post in a randomized, colorized fashion, with big text much of that time; with the knowledge of taht, you still subject me to this stupid interpretation.Yes, because people have been telling you to stop it for ages. You know all of these discussions come from this. That's exactly why I'm saying the fault is yours : you're still doing it even when you know what it will do. If you knew it, if it was true, why did you again tell me to STFU when you could just have said that earlier ? You're not making any effort.
You realize that you just contradicted yourself, right? Byakko, do you know what "jump the gun" means?QuoteWhoa, whoa, whoa. I know english isn't your first language, but you must understand that calling someone a Jackass is an insult. Please tell me you know that?So what ? Do I need to jump the gun to describe how the grass is green ? Do I need to jump the gun to describe you acting like a jackass ?
"If it was true," I've said time and time again that it wasn't true. I didn't yell at Cyanide. Byakko, what the hell are you talking about? I'm really starting to ask myself if you know what you're saying, or if you're even comprehending what I'm saying.Quotewhen I'm not even yelling?Oooh, this is gonna last-- what's wrong with your ability to read ? Or is it your comprehension that is hindered ? If it was true, why did you jump the gun at me for telling you that ?
What the Hell are you talking about? You, in full knowledge of how I like to post, hastily subjected me to a bad interpretation, instead of considering what was right in front of you. You are so obsessed with butting in where you don't belong, that you come in guns ablaze, and start shooting off at the mouth (keyboard), instead of just calming down, sitting back and thinking it out. Jeez, why do you always have to make everything about YOU? Really, what makes these posts any different from my normal ones Byakko? Please tell, me?QuoteOK, wow, I post in a randomized, colorized fashion, with big text much of that time; with the knowledge of taht, you still subject me to this stupid interpretation.Yes, because people have been telling you to stop it for ages. You know all of these discussions come from this. That's exactly why I'm saying the fault is yours : you're still doing it even when you know what it will do. If you knew it, if it was true, why did you again tell me to STFU when you could just have said that earlier ? You're not making any effort.
Unlike you, I know what I'm talking about.This whole thing started with you not reading an entire post, making a bad judgement of how I type, and butting in where you diidn't belong. That's three strikes on you...you know what you're talking about my ass.
Aww, you two make a nice couple ;PHe's just mad because I left him for Jango.
You realize that you just contradicted yourself, right? Byakko, do you know what "jump the gun" means?I realize you don't get what I'm talking about, and I know what jumping the gun means. You're the one assuming I jumped the gun and got hasty. You're still not getting what I was talking about, and yet here you are saying I'm contradicting myself and I should look at what I say, even though you're the one missing the big picture.
I didn't yell at Cyanide. Byakko, what the hell are you talking about?I'm talking about how your posts all look like. I don't give a damn about what you think you're writing. I'm talking about how it comes out. I'm talking about how you always post.
what makes these posts any different from my normal ones Byakko? Please tell, me?Nothing, that's exactly what I'm sa-- I'll just stop repeating myself, read again from the beginning... Starting with Cyanide's reply.
This whole thing started with you not reading an entire postNo, it started with you talking about glitches, Cyanide replying to you, and you rewording it.
But you did contra-- Ya know what, we made some progress. No need to screw it up too badly now.QuoteYou realize that you just contradicted yourself, right? Byakko, do you know what "jump the gun" means?I realize you don't get what I'm talking about, and I know what jumping the gun means. You're the one assuming I jumped the gun and got hasty. You're still not getting what I was talking about, and yet here you are saying I'm contradicting myself and I should look at what I say, even though you're the one missing the big picture.
"Think I'm writing."? Byakko, I know what I'm writing and how I write it. What, you think my tone is bad, sue me. If you want to get your bundles in a knot, go ahead. I'm just asking you to evaluate the situation before jumping in as in:QuoteI didn't yell at Cyanide. Byakko, what the hell are you talking about?I'm talking about how your posts all look like. I don't give a damn about what you think you're writing. I'm talking about how it comes out. I'm talking about how you always post.
Wait, whose reply again? Let's sound that out: C-y-a-n-i-d-e's reply. Wait, is there a B or a K in Cyanide? Does Cyanide equal Byakko, Byakko?Quotewhat makes these posts any different from my normal ones Byakko? Please tell, me?Nothing, that's exactly what I'm sa-- I'll just stop repeating myself, read again from the beginning... Starting with Cyanide's reply.
Byakko, is that the truth, huh? I didn't reword Cyanide's reply, I replied to the elements of it that were directly addressing my 'glitch' posts as a whole. YOU jumped in with something that was wrong, when I had already written that I was incorrect to have called the thing a "wake-up" glitch as opposed to a general "recover" glitch. It was obvious from my post, had you read it properly, that I switched what I was talking about, meaning your reply was wrong.QuoteThis whole thing started with you not reading an entire postNo, it started with you talking about glitches, Cyanide replying to you, and you rewording it.
-Why do you think I replied to begin with, and
-why do you think I deleted my first post immediately after ?
Hint : I already gave you the answer for that.
For crying out loud, all the previous times this happened, you concluded by yourself that you weren't explaining yourself properly. You did it again this time around, and it's me you're yelling at.You remeber that thing about me apologizing even when I didn't think I was wrong:
Oh brother. Too bad, I actually apologize when I'm wrong. Hell I even apologize when I don't believe I'm wrong, but only because I want to end drama.I'm not sure but I think as it concerned you, I only apologized to AVOID DRAMA.
I blame again your complete incapacity at explaining yourself properly. And if you aknowledged that you used the wrong word and fixed it, you're really a goddamn jackass to write like you did in your previous post. Don't tell people to read your posts properly if you can't write properly.
By the way, your video doesn't work for me, it goes it a fucked up spee---AND STOP PMING ME, MY EYES WORK FINE THANK YOU
*Thank you for calming down*You're shitting me ? You're the one who's been yelling so far. I'm still calm as ever.
But you did contra--No I didn't.
Byakko, I know what I'm writing and how I write it.It's amazing how you don't get that I'm not talking about how you see it.
Wait, whose reply again? Let's sound that out: C-y-a-n-i-d-e's reply. Wait, is there a B or a K in Cyanide? Does Cyanide equal Byakko, Byakko?That's another incredible one : I tell you where to look, and you try to look somewhere else.
shouldn't that have been the end, or wait, shouldn't the end have come when i said i wasn't yelling?http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=79309.msg678849#msg678849
Let me "reword" that. During all of our posts there were insults thrown. In that last one, I failed to detect one: that is what I mean by calming down. Maybe I should have just said, thank you for ending the insults, but then again, I didn't insult you first.Quote*Thank you for calming down*You're shitting me ? You're the one who's been yelling so far. I'm still calm as ever.
:laugh4: OK, whatever.QuoteBut you did contra--No I didn't.
And that is exactly the point. You are in effect saying that your interpretation is the only one that has truth, and I'm saying that MY OWN WORDS can in teh end, only truly be explained by ME as their original poster. That is the end point, no matter what you say you can NEVER truly be right. Your interpretation, here, is not accurate at all.QuoteByakko, I know what I'm writing and how I write it.It's amazing how you don't get that I'm not talking about how you see it.
Where in teh heck did I tell you to, "look somewhere else." Cyanide's reply was to me. My reply was to CYANIDE (and PotS as it were). Where in Cyanide (or PotS) do you see the name Byakko? Do you understand teh point I'm making, Byakko? Do you understand?QuoteWait, whose reply again? Let's sound that out: C-y-a-n-i-d-e's reply. Wait, is there a B or a K in Cyanide? Does Cyanide equal Byakko, Byakko?That's another incredible one : I tell you where to look, and you try to look somewhere else.
Byakko you replied to THIS post of mine:Quoteshouldn't that have been the end, or wait, shouldn't the end have come when i said i wasn't yelling?Look harder.
You say something, Cyanide replies at you, you correct your wording, I say exactly that (that you used the wrong wording, and that your replies sound always the same as ever), and you tell me to stfu and gtfo. Who's jumping the gun ?
Well obviously you missed the part where it's flat-out written in the common1.cns and called it a glitch anyway !AND YOU MISSED THE PART OF THE POST WHERE I SAID THIS:
I mislabeled it though; that is not a "wake-up" glitch (no that isn't meant to be a taunt).THEN I DIDN'T EVEN INSULT YOU WITH MY REPLY TO YOU:
OMG Byakko, did you read that. I'm not calling that a glitch, I switched what I was talking about.
Try reading ::)
I think we may have just come across a winning formula for longest argument ever.The LULZ are coming out.
Doubt it.:bigcry:
Yeah, kinda pales in comparison to the Claude arguments, although those were usually filled with more stupid.I dunno, this one takes stupid to levels I couldn't even imagine yesterday.
You call that a rant? GohanSSM2 will show you how it's done. You didn't mention Sunboy or MREV anywhere.I was going to read Gohan's life story (on his website), but I ultimately couldn't. It was a major blow to my pride.
tsun tsun tsunWhat does that mean?
dere dere dereWhy do you guys lik to mess with me all the time? :'(
Now what is all this flagrant Tsundere prattle, you may ask, looking rather snotty and adjusting your monocle. I am not about to give you a wikipedia definition or anything, because you guys can do that for yourself. Rather, I will explain it the concept to those who don’t know what Tsundere is. Basically, Tsundere is actually a 2 HIT-Combo of the words “Tsun Tsun” and “Dere Dere”. “Tsun Tsun” meaning that the lady has a 90% urge to do the Undertaker Pin on you, Slap you or Castrate you if you make a move on her. “Dere Dere”, on the other hand, is when the lady converts the said 90% rage into an urge to do anything you please to get into your pants. A rather crass explanation, I know, but seriously, thats what “Tsundere” is.
Sorry dude, increasing your text size did come across as shouting. If you wish to put emphsis into what you write, emphasize the important points with caps if you're lazy or italics if you aren't. This doesn't mean emphasizing a whole sentence.I understand. The thing is, though, I just thought the best course of action wouldn't have been to start yelling (back, I guess) if you are making an assumption, because as it turned out, my intentions were much different from how they came across. It is known that I have a post problem, so I thought that someone would calmly correct me (as in no insult involved), which is the usual, I could apologize, and then I could try to fix it (this situation hasn't poppoed back up in quite a while).
That vid am old. And i have no idea whats up with that remy but i wouldn't be too surprised if it was coding in the character on one side or the other that LETS them do it (note emphasis ;P) Genuine glitches in mugen are known or crash it. They're not coding mistakes, that's creator error/intention.
Examples of this are Gou Hibiki by DarkMasterS, Dark Reiko by KamekDarkMasterS is/are known for that anyway, and Dark Reiko is precisely to make fun of that, so that was the point to begin with. Wasn't meant to be serious.
It's not just your posting style, it's you using bad wording as an excuse when people prove you wrong. Like:PotS, I hate to say it because I called Byakko out on his old sig for it, but I have yet to be proven wrong on the bugs. As a matter of fact, I have 'falsely conceded' many times, even to you. Like in the one with the vid of makoto, you first said I obviously didn't record at 60 fps, and in fact I recorded of 65 fps. Then you gave me the thing about video capturing devices can miss frames. That was OBVIOUS, but instead of prolonging a the discussion, I pretended I didn't know that, and ended it. That is how they have ended many times, mind you.
- Yeah like that bug! God that pisses me off!
- That's not a bug, because so and so.
- I KNOW! I meant that *insert wall of text*
- That's not a bug either.
- *wall of text saying the same as before, except now mentioning having run 100 tests*
- *either gives up or does what Byakko did*
I don't hate you, no sarcasm. :-*OK.
I often disagree with what you say (on Mugen stuff) and such, but from there to disliking/hating someone there's still a large step.
did you read the full post (Really, nothing bad meant by that)?The last one, yes, you were replying to me so yeah (omg self-centered :().
LOLdid you read the full post (Really, nothing bad meant by that)?(omg self-centered :().
it's obvious that you don't like meYou say that to everyone who tells you... Basically what I tell you - that you make no sense. Apparently you refuse to understand (you never question yourself) that you're the one who really can't explain anything of what you're talking about properly. Even though that's the conclusion that is reached every single time this discussion happens.
Byakko, that's not true. Case in point:Quoteit's obvious that you don't like meYou say that to everyone who tells you... Basically what I tell you - that you make no sense. Apparently you refuse to understand (you never question yourself) that you're the one who really can't explain anything of what you're talking about properly. Even though that's the conclusion that is reached every single time this discussion happens.
Just Becauce someone argues with You a lot it does not mean he does not likes you, I acutally like Byakko a lot ::) :-* :argue: :gossip: :smitten: :hump:Are you going off of teh point he just made in a serious manner? I just wanted to know. I won't be upset.
WAY TO IGNORE WHATEVER RELEVANT POINT I'M MAKING TO YOU BY FOCUSING ON THE IRRELEVANTHow many times have I answered yourrelevant points Byakko? Do I need to repeat the same.
Obviously you're failing, we wouldn't have this discussion here and now if you didn't. The reason this is still going on is that you're not doing it properly. You could just accept it and stop going batshit on me for pointing out the truth, that would be an improvement. If you stopped saying "I do that already", it would already show that you can. The "I know that I know nothing" type of reflection : saying "I listen to what I'm told" as an argument to dismiss what you're told is counter-productive. And so is saying "I'll improve" and yet do the same thing next time, because this is what happened the few previous times already, you said "I'll explain myself better" and yet this has happened again.The problem is, here, that you are completely misidentifying what went on.
The problem is, here, that you are completely misidentifying what went on.Oh of course, I'm the one who spoke to you first, you replied to me, we're discussing what I told you, but I'm the one who don't understand what I said and what resulted from it- wait, that didn't make any sort of sense.
This was not me explaininfg something and failing Byakko, this was me flat-out mislabeling something before seeing it, which I admitted and apologized for.I don't get what makes you think I didn't understand that. And I don't get why you refuse to see it's exactly what I'm talking about (also yes, that was you failing to explain yourself and talking about a bug but no you mislabeled that but yes there still was a bug too). From the beginning I've been talking about your propency to label things improperly (yes, mislabeling things = not explaining yourself properly), to cry out about bugs and then immediately after to correct yourself, but oh there still was that bug here. That's what everyone tells you everytime a discussion like this one happens, that's what Cyanide told you, that's what PotS told you, that's what I've been telling you for 3 pages. That's why I said you're a jackass. And you're still going on about it. And you've done that in every single discussion like this one, and you always ended it by saying you would stop it, and here you are not stopping it.
My focus here was on keeping things civilYour second reply to me (the first if we ignore the one you deleted) wasn't exactly keeping anything "civil".
so you, yelled at meWhat told you I was yelling ? The same thing that told me you were yelling in your reply to Cyanide ? We've gone over that already, I've been calm since the beginning of this discussion. Only the words I use make you think I'm yelling (and you feel you need to yell back at me, you've said that yourself) in the same way that you changing font size constantly made me say you were yelling at Cyanide.
Is that right?No.
Wait, what.
- Iced (on a low level)
Round 2 Fighto !
What are you talking about. I spoke to CYANIDE FIRST, then you jumped in with this reply:QuoteThe problem is, here, that you are completely misidentifying what went on.Oh of course, I'm the one who spoke to you first, you replied to me, we're discussing what I told you, but I'm the one who don't understand what I said and what resulted from it- wait, that didn't make any sort of sense.
Well obviously you missed the part where it's flat-out written in the common1.cns and called it a glitch anyway !Your reply was WRONG, because in teh previous post, uyou missed the part where I said:
I mislabeled it though; that is not a "wake-up" glitchHad you actually read my entire post, you wouldn't have made that initial one. And did I know you would reply when I was talking to CYANIDE, No.
Byakko, you are equating this situation to what happens the other times and this is nothing like those. Here I spoke clearly and said what i intended to say, and was understood well. It was in my actually posting well that my failure came because I labeled something too early, then cirrected myself in the next post, again, before you got into the discussion. The normal sitaution is me not communicating properly resulting in confusion and me having to change my posts.QuoteThis was not me explaininfg something and failing Byakko, this was me flat-out mislabeling something before seeing it, which I admitted and apologized for.I don't get what makes you think I didn't understand that. And I don't get why you refuse to see it's exactly what I'm talking about (also yes, that was you failing to explain yourself and talking about a bug but no you mislabeled that but yes there still was a bug too). From the beginning I've been talking about your propency to label things improperly (yes, mislabeling things = not explaining yourself properly), to cry out about bugs and then immediately after to correct yourself, but oh there still was that bug here. That's what everyone tells you everytime a discussion like this one happens, that's what Cyanide told you, that's what PotS told you, that's what I've been telling you for 3 pages. That's why I said you're a jackass. And you're still going on about it. And you've done that in every single discussion like this one, and you always ended it by saying you would stop it, and here you are not stopping it.
Are you kidding me. Your first reply was WRONG, flat out and I told you to read. Should I have gotten mad at PotS, in the example post of his I mentioned? I deleted my post right after you did yours which was wrong, to AVOID DRAMA. Then yopu go off on a tirade calling me a "goddamn jackass." Why do you feel the need to go there. That's what I mean by you starting it.QuoteMy focus here was on keeping things civilYour second reply to me (the first if we ignore the one you deleted) wasn't exactly keeping anything "civil".
You really don't know a shits thing about me (if course I know that it applies to me as well; you really think I'm prone to such blatant/obvious hypocrisy). I used 'yelling' on purpose, just to show you how frickin' pissish it is when you try to label me. I wanted to see how you would react, and see if you could understand why I would have been angered at you subjecting me, to a false interpretation.Quoteso you, yelled at meWhat told you I was yelling ? The same thing that told me you were yelling in your reply to Cyanide ? We've gone over that already, I've been calm since the beginning of this discussion. Only the words I use make you think I'm yelling (and you feel you need to yell back at me, you've said that yourself) in the same way that you changing font size constantly made me say you were yelling at Cyanide.
Now if you insist that you weren't yelling despite how it looked like, if you insist I should know it since we've known each other for a while, why does that not apply to you as well ? Why should you not know, after all the time we've known each other, that it's just how I'm typing ? Why do you tell me to look at myself when you don't look at yourself ? Are you just too damn busy trying to prove me wrong, it's oh so important to you to prove you're right and I'm wrong, more important that actually getting what's going on ?
I am aware that I talk like a jerk and that I'm too straightforward to be polite. You don't even realize that you're the one misinterpreting what you're told. And you don't even question yourself about that even though the same thing happens all the time.What the hell Byakko. Of course I question myself, which is the reason why I APOLOGIZE TO PEOPLE. I have made genuine apologies before, as well as false ones for teh sake of ending drama. I have admitted to having a language problem, and I admit when I'm wrong. Tell me, Byakko, why is it that for the past few months, a conversation like this hasn't come up?QuoteIs that right?No.
The time you suggested my banning.- Iced (on a low level)Wait, what.
Byakko is better Mugen-wise. Human-wise LOL. I'm not going to get into that.Round 2 Fighto !Here we go again, indeed. Can't those two get along. They are both equally skilled, but it seems they have constant disagreements with each other.
Tell me Byakko, I want you to analyze your old sig for everyone to see. It prettuy much sums up that you never look at yourself.No, it shows that you didn't even get what it was saying back then. I know what I wrote, since I wrote it, and it's not what you say it means. HEY, MAYBE YOU HAVE A KNACK FOR MISINTERPRETING WHAT YOU READ.
Since my time here I HAVE NEVER seen you admit to being wrong.-You're not looking hard enough, it has happened before
Not even when i explained to you that I wasn't the AI coder for Yun or KimWhat the... ? you're still on it ? And you still haven't understood that you were wrong on that one too. And... Kim ?? I never even said you made that AI. Did you by any chance MISINTERPRET THAT TOO ?? I was pretty sure you realized I wasn't saying you made and leaked the AI of my Kim back then. You forgot about that ? Is your brain making up memories for the things you forgot ? Because I remember you admitting that you got angry only because you saw your name associated with the matter, when I wasn't accusing you of anything.
Tell me, Byakko, why is it that for the past few months, a conversation like this hasn't come up?Yeah right, tell me about the last few months, then use the Yun AI argument to support your point ! Years could pass between each argument, it would still be too often.
I have admitted to having a language problemThen "tell me, hjk," why are you shitting all over me when it's exactly what I've been saying from the start ? Could it be you're arguing about something that has already been resolved ? It's like you have a pair of anti-Byakko glasses and everytime I say anything, you... uh... misinterpret it. Geez, if I tell you you're misinterpreting what I write, you don't think you should listen ? I know better than you what I mean, since I'm the one who write it. But no, you want to prove me wrong, so even when I'm the one speaking, I must have gotten it wrong.
tl;dr you make me facepalm so hard, something really strong. I just read the very beginning and you still can't get it (plus if it had been anyone else who was telling you that, would have you made such a shitstorm ?) and you're still full of shit.You're not getting my damn point. My point is you jumped into something that didn't concern you, without reading the full post, YOU WERE WRONG, and then, posted your own shitstorm. And I'm replying this way to you because this happens all the time WITH YOU. Why no one else? Right, because no one else is ignorant enough to think that by calling someoen a "goddamn jackass" their aviding a potential conflict.
I've already addressed most of what you're saying, and you aren't taking any of the advices and suggestions you're given, you don't ask yourself "hey, what if that person speaking to me was right ?" So now, you've graduated to being a dipshit.Oh yes, Byakko, you are the best example of someone I should follow ::)
And I'm saying you're the one just not reading. I just mentioned above that we;ve both been repeating the same points over and over. When I misinterpret things, I APOLOGIZE; its a common thing for me, unlike you. I may be subjecting you to a harsh interpretation, but there are many people who wanted to jump at the chance to flame you over that sig; don't make it seem like I'm the only one.QuoteTell me Byakko, I want you to analyze your old sig for everyone to see. It prettuy much sums up that you never look at yourself.No, it shows that you didn't even get what it was saying back then. I know what I wrote, since I wrote it, and it's not what you say it means. HEY, MAYBE YOU HAVE A KNACK FOR MISINTERPRETING WHAT YOU READ.
Give me an example please.QuoteSince my time here I HAVE NEVER seen you admit to being wrong.-You're not looking hard enough, it has happened before
-you have yet to prove me wrong for me to admit I was wrong.
When I get home, if I still have that post saved somehwere, I hope you begin to pull that stick from your ass. You can't even remember when i revealed to you, in public, that qwer also coded AI. I also revealed to you that qwer doesn't have a host site and that was someone else; a friend.QuoteNot even when i explained to you that I wasn't the AI coder for Yun or KimWhat the... ? you're still on it ? And you still haven't understood that you were wrong on that one too. And... Kim ?? I never even said you made that AI. Did you by any chance MISINTERPRET THAT TOO ?? I was pretty sure you realized I wasn't saying you made and leaked the AI of my Kim back then. You forgot about that ? Is your brain making up memories for the things you forgot ? Because I remember you admitting that you got angry only because you saw your name associated with the matter, when I wasn't accusing you of anything.
My point is you jumped into something that didn't concern you, without reading the full postWhy should it matter ? Are you telling me you got angry just because of the circumstances ? so the actual meaning really is irrelevant, is that what you're saying ? Why should it matter if it was me or someone else ? It should probably matter if it was completely off-topic, because it's a forum and off-topic isn't cool, but aside from that, why should it matter if it was true ?
YOU WERE WRONGYou corrected yourself, and you still say I was wrong ? Like I say here (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=79309.msg678847#msg678847), you did explain yourself improperly the first time around you mentionned a glitch, you said yourself you mislabeled it. what I was saying back then was about how you started "yelling" (posting in caps and different sizes). Was I wrong on that ?
and then, posted your own shitstorm.who is it who posted that (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=79309.msg678849#msg678849) ? What I said was, I blame your incompetency at explaining yourself properly. Really, you said it yourself too, you have a problem with that, you mislabel things, etc. So, what is your problem ?
How many arguments did your old sig say you got into? Are you proud of that?Irrelevant. Next. Also you still didn't get its meaning.
I do take advice. look at my old post style compared to how it is now.I'm looking at how you're still yelling at me, and I see the same thing as when you yelled at me for Yun and Kim. you've improved, but you still have the same fundamental problems. you're only changing the form, not the point.
When I misinterpret things, I APOLOGIZEI'm still waiting for your apology about saying that my old signature "shows how much I don't look at myself". I'm still waiting for your apology about Yun and Kim.
its a common thing for me, unlike you. (...) Give me an example please.Well : prove me wrong.
You can't even remember when i revealed to you, in public, that qwer also coded AI.Uh. Kim ? I never said otherwise. You can show me as many posts as you want where you tell me qwer did it, you'll still need to show me the post where I said you directly made and leaked it. the most I might have ever said is that you were involved. And is it false ? Were you not involved ? I'm pretty sure I never said anything like "I don't see hjk anywhere, but he must be behind it !"
I also revealed to you that qwer doesn't have a host site and that was someone else; a friend.But I never said you were qwer ! And yet everything you're talking about here, everything you said back then, was because you thought I said you were him. When I didn't say anything like that. You misinterpreted it back then, and you never apologized for that. You can yell at me all you want, you can try to prove me wrong all you want, I never said you were qwer and you thought I did. I know what I said, I know I never thought "hey maybe this qwer guy is actually hjk", you were wrong, yuo yelled at me, you never apologized for that, and you're still yelling at me about it. where's your improvement now ?
Let me twist your words too. Hmmm... so you're saying that you can ignore the points I'm making and I can't do the same. No really, stop that nonsense.QuoteMy point is you jumped into something that didn't concern you, without reading the full postWhy should it matter ? Are you telling me you got angry just because of the circumstances ? so the actual meaning really is irrelevant, is that what you're saying ? Why should it matter if it was me or someone else ? It should probably matter if it was completely off-topic, because it's a forum and off-topic isn't cool, but aside from that, why should it matter if it was true ?
What the hell are you talking about. Let me break down WHERE your reply came.QuoteYOU WERE WRONGYou corrected yourself, and you still say I was wrong ? Like I say here (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=79309.msg678847#msg678847), you did explain yourself improperly the first time around you mentionned a glitch, you said yourself you mislabeled it. what I was saying back then was about how you started "yelling" (posting in caps and different sizes). Was I wrong on that ?
You little cow. You totally ignored the fact that you called me a quote, "Goddamn Jackass." THIS... was the first shitstorm:Quoteand then, posted your own shitstorm.who is it who posted that (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=79309.msg678849#msg678849) ? What I said was, I blame your incompetency at explaining yourself properly. Really, you said it yourself too, you have a problem with that, you mislabel things, etc. So, what is your problem ?
I blame again your complete incapacity at explaining yourself properly. And if you aknowledged that you used the wrong word and fixed it, you're really a goddamn jackass to write like you did in your previous post. Don't tell people to read your posts properly if you can't write properly.
By the way, your video doesn't work for me, it goes it a fucked up spee---AND STOP PMING ME, MY EYES WORK FINE THANK YOU
Explain it. As I said, many people wanted to flame you over that crap.QuoteHow many arguments did your old sig say you got into? Are you proud of that?Irrelevant. Next. Also you still didn't get its meaning.
Who was the last person I had an argument with; you. It's you and KFM who are my main problems. Why is it that I don't consistently argue with anyone else. Let's go over, who has had more arguments with more people, You or me? About Yun and Kim, I'm saying you were wrong, and boy, if I had access to those posts right now... Lord, I would love to show how full of crap you are.QuoteI do take advice. look at my old post style compared to how it is now.I'm looking at how you're still yelling at me, and I see the same thing as when you yelled at me for Yun and Kim. you've improved, but you still have the same fundamental problems. you're only changing the form, not the point.
I'm waiting for your apology for thinking calling me a, "goddamn Jackass" would solve something (Oh and I'm picking that jackass part out just because it is the most obvious insulting part of that post. Your words there were unnecessary and uncalled for as a whole; just thought I sghould make that clear). And I'm waiting for your apology for YOU NOT READING MY FULL POST which was RIGHT ABOVE YOUR OWN. I'm still waiting for your apology for your, 'I'm jut summing things up' post.QuoteWhen I misinterpret things, I APOLOGIZEI'm still waiting for your apology about saying that my old signature "shows how much I don't look at myself". I'm still waiting for your apology about Yun and Kim.
The sad thing about you is that you'll never admit to being wrong. I really end up feeling bad for you sometimes.Quoteits a common thing for me, unlike you. (...) Give me an example please.Well : prove me wrong.
What? Oh no you don't, I got you into that small part of the discussion of Yun and Kim (in the Kim topic), because you said, ' that I [hjk] coded their AIs.' I just wanted to see if after I said, 'No it wasn't I. Go look for the answer.' if you actually would, but you kept on going with your stupid assertion until I had to TELL YOU it was qwer. You couldn't even think to just go and look; you simply repeated and repeated and repeated. You were DEAD WRONG THERE, and there is no escaping that.QuoteYou can't even remember when i revealed to you, in public, that qwer also coded AI.Uh. Kim ? I never said otherwise. You can show me as many posts as you want where you tell me qwer did it, you'll still need to show me the post where I said you directly made and leaked it. the most I might have ever said is that you were involved. And is it false ? Were you not involved ? I'm pretty sure I never said anything like "I don't see hjk anywhere, but he must be behind it !"
NO. You don't even remember the events. You said you had spoken to qwer, and you NEVER had, You wanna know why, because qwer doesn't forum, give out his e-mail, or anything. qwer has one account... YOUTUBE. You in fact spoke to our friend and host MugenAbyss... you were mistaken and that was also what I tried to reveal to you.QuoteI also revealed to you that qwer doesn't have a host site and that was someone else; a friend.But I never said you were qwer ! And yet everything you're talking about here, everything you said back then, was because you thought I said you were him. When I didn't say anything like that. You misinterpreted it back then, and you never apologized for that. You can yell at me all you want, you can try to prove me wrong all you want, I never said you were qwer and you thought I did. I know what I said, I know I never thought "hey maybe this qwer guy is actually hjk", you were wrong, yuo yelled at me, you never apologized for that, and you're still yelling at me about it. where's your improvement now ?
so you're saying that you can ignore the points I'm making and I can't do the same.I'm saying you're not making any point.
Your freaking first comment said I 'still' labeled the thing a glitch, where my previous post, RIGHT BEFORE THE ONE YOU MADE, said, was my admittal that my previous post had a flaw.Yes.
Your post was irrelevant/wrong because I had already posted about my former mistakeAh, so now, it's not "wrong" it's "between irrelevant and wrong". Well, how was it wrong ? You did mislabel it, you said so yourself. How was it wrong ? It was *late*, but it wasn't *false*. I ended up deleting it because it was late and you had indeed just admitted it. But it was still truer : you did mislabel it, as you had just admitted. So how was it false ? It was irrelevant, yes, which is why I deleted it. Then came your reply which you deleted as well, then came my reply which was still saying the same thing : you mislabeled something because you have problems with explaining yourself correctly. All of that was true. Not necessary, yes, but still true.
About Yun and Kim, I'm saying you were wrong, and boy, if I had access to those posts right now...... You would eat your shorts sooner than admitting you were wrong. I never said you made the AI for Kim, I never said you leaked it, and I never said you were qwer ; YOU MISREAD IT, stop trying to say you didn't, I know what I said and I never said you were qwer. I said you made the AI for Waru's Yun, and I said you made the mistake of giving it to someone and it ended up leaked.
I'm waiting for your apology for thinking calling me a, "goddamn Jackass" would solve somethingNo. That was true, that still is true, and you're not doing anything to get any apology from me. I'm a jerk, and you're a jackass ; that's as true as saying that the grass is green, so I won't apology for that.
You totally ignored the fact that you called me a quote, "Goddamn Jackass." THIS... was the first shitstorm-You need to learn what shitstorm means
Oh no you don't, I got you into that small part of the discussion of Yun and Kim (in the Kim topic), because you said, ' that I [hjk] coded their AIs.' I just wanted to see if after I said, 'No it wasn't I. Go look for the answer.'Did you or did you not code the AI for Warusaki's Yun back the very first time this happened ? I talked about "the coder". You said it was you, so I spoke about you. In fact I very clearly remember that about the Yun AI, I did my best to avoid pointing any finger, and only spoke about responsibility : if you're the one who did the AI for Yun (or whoever it was), and if the patch was leaked, then the fault was that of the coder's, whoever it was. This is what I said the first time you snapped at me about Yun's AI. And that was true.
You said you had spoken to qwerNo, I didn't. What I said is that qwer was supposed to know I would refuse. Because I told you, and I figured that qwer would have heard it from you. This never meant that I assumed you were qwer, and I never said I ever spoke directly to qwer. I said he was supposed to know. FROM YOU. You misunderstood it. You're just too goddamn dense to understand that, no matter how many time I would tell you. You're just going to claim that it's false, even though I'm the one who said it, and I'm the one who tells you you misunderstood it.
You in fact spoke to our friend and host MugenAbyssNo, I never spoke to him either. I spoke to you. And I assumed that you had told qwer. It's just that qwer ignored you, I assume.
You want to avoid conflict then stop insulting people and start apologizing when you know you're wrong.Yes. I'll do that when I'll know I'm wrong. So far, I know you are wrong.
Speed vs Byakko FIGHTIt's not Speed, it's hjk.
what did you just sayYou can't read ! Go back and look at his post again ! You're not understanding it properly .\/.
Sonic avatar confused me for some reason my bad.QuoteSpeed vs Byakko FIGHTIt's not Speed, it's hjk.
The time you suggested my banning.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?action=profile;user=hjk
...okaaaayyy... I dunno either to try to calm him down or to slap him... A lil help here?
I mean seriously, inside kfm vagina as a screen name?
inside kfm vagina as a screen name?He couldda just used SAND as a display name ::)
I'll go right on ahead and say the same for you.Quoteso you're saying that you can ignore the points I'm making and I can't do the same.I'm saying you're not making any point.
Then what the hell are we at page 4 for?QuoteYour freaking first comment said I 'still' labeled the thing a glitch, where my previous post, RIGHT BEFORE THE ONE YOU MADE, said, was my admittal that my previous post had a flaw.Yes.
You are lying to yourself (more like I think you're lying to attempt to make yourself look better to all who read in ths topic).QuoteYour post was irrelevant/wrong because I had already posted about my former mistakeAh, so now, it's not "wrong" it's "between irrelevant and wrong". Well, how was it wrong ? You did mislabel it, you said so yourself. How was it wrong ? It was *late*, but it wasn't *false*. I ended up deleting it because it was late and you had indeed just admitted it. But it was still truer : you did mislabel it, as you had just admitted. So how was it false ? It was irrelevant, yes, which is why I deleted it. Then came your reply which you deleted as well, then came my reply which was still saying the same thing : you mislabeled something because you have problems with explaining yourself correctly. All of that was true. Not necessary, yes, but still true.
And then you flipped out.
YOU DIDN'T READ A LICK OF MY LAST POST!!!QuoteAbout Yun and Kim, I'm saying you were wrong, and boy, if I had access to those posts right now...... You would eat your shorts sooner than admitting you were wrong. I never said you made the AI for Kim, I never said you leaked it, and I never said you were qwer ; YOU MISREAD IT, stop trying to say you didn't, I know what I said and I never said you were qwer. I said you made the AI for Waru's Yun, and I said you made the mistake of giving it to someone and it ended up leaked.
That was true.No it was false. No, because, again, you did not read my post. At least have the decency to say tl;dr if you aren't paying attention. You see now, why I used to post in colors and in such a varied way.
'You're a jerk and I'm a jackass.' Way to take the brunt of that one. Right ::). No, I'm saying your a drama starter who can't admit to anything, doesn't read posts, and who likes to argue with no point.QuoteI'm waiting for your apology for thinking calling me a, "goddamn Jackass" would solve somethingNo. That was true, that still is true, and you're not doing anything to get any apology from me. I'm a jerk, and you're a jackass ; that's as true as saying that the grass is green, so I won't apology for that.
Oh please. You are so full of crap that it's not even funny. Byakko, you need to realize how jackassed you come off in each and every argument you make. You make teh stupidest claims, never have tyour facts straight, and are damn hasty. Just READ. Just READ... it's not hard. You'll avoid a lot more arguments that way. Oh, and word of advise, don't begin a, ' you need to change something' post with an insult, or else you are bound to get flamed back. Is that not obvious?QuoteYou totally ignored the fact that you called me a quote, "Goddamn Jackass." THIS... was the first shitstorm-You need to learn what shitstorm means
-I didn't make any shitstorm, that was a statement : you're a jackass. And also a dipshit.
-You're the one who yelled blue murder because you couldn't accept me telling that to your face. That's what "making a shitstorm" is.
YOU DIDN'T READ MY POSTS THEN, AND YOU DIDN'T READ MY POSTS NOW.QuoteOh no you don't, I got you into that small part of the discussion of Yun and Kim (in the Kim topic), because you said, ' that I [hjk] coded their AIs.' I just wanted to see if after I said, 'No it wasn't I. Go look for the answer.'Did you or did you not code the AI for Warusaki's Yun back the very first time this happened ? I talked about "the coder". You said it was you, so I spoke about you. In fact I very clearly remember that about the Yun AI, I did my best to avoid pointing any finger, and only spoke about responsibility : if you're the one who did the AI for Yun (or whoever it was), and if the patch was leaked, then the fault was that of the coder's, whoever it was. This is what I said the first time you snapped at me about Yun's AI. And that was true.
As for Kim, I never said you coded the AI yourself. You're mixing up everything. I never said you were qwer, you felt insulted when you saw your name in the list and you assumed that we were accusing you.
NO. You said, that 'my little friend' had PMed you about it and you had spoken about it. In the original post you said he [my little friend] ignored what I said and did it anyway (even though in KFM's topic you said directly that the, "AI coder was told No and did it anyway" and since you thought teh AI coder was me, you WERE ACCUSING ME. The AI coder was in fact NOT ME - one, qwer who amde the AI didn't host shit - two, and on and on and on). Now, I'm willing to accept that I may have gotten confuseed when you used the same words to describe MugenAbnyss and qwer (as people who ignored me) just as you did again here:QuoteYou said you had spoken to qwerNo, I didn't. What I said is that qwer was supposed to know I would refuse. Because I told you, and I figured that qwer would have heard it from you. This never meant that I assumed you were qwer, and I never said I ever spoke directly to qwer. I said he was supposed to know. FROM YOU. You misunderstood it. You're just too goddamn dense to understand that, no matter how many time I would tell you. You're just going to claim that it's false, even though I'm the one who said it, and I'm the one who tells you you misunderstood it.
It's just that qwer ignored you, I assume.
No. Again you said, 'my little friend' Pmed you and you guys talked about it. Your language was unclear on that day, and made it seem like you were talking about qwer because you used the same terms to describe them both (I guess).QuoteYou in fact spoke to our friend and host MugenAbyssNo, I never spoke to him either. I spoke to you. And I assumed that you had told qwer. It's just that qwer ignored you, I assume.
You can't even get tyour facts straight. You can't even order the events correctly or look back to see why your original two posts were fucking stupid.QuoteYou want to avoid conflict then stop insulting people and start apologizing when you know you're wrong.Yes. I'll do that when I'll know I'm wrong. So far, I know you are wrong.
NO Iced. I wasn't saying that you hated me, I was saying that I NEVER said you hated me even when you made that post. I was using taht in teh example to say that Byakko, as usual was blowing things out of proportion saying that a one time thing, exists every single time/all teh time, when it didn't. I can't satnd it because he acts like he knows everything about me and always comes up wrong.The time you suggested my banning.This?http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?action=profile;user=hjkWhy in heavens would I hate you?I had to track down the whole bannings decision thing to even realize who you were back then.
...okaaaayyy... I dunno either to try to calm him down or to slap him... A lil help here?
I mean seriously, inside kfm vagina as a screen name?
My money's on Byakko, GO FOR IT MAN! :buttrox:My money is too. Ya know why... cause he never knows when he's wrong and he never admits it. I'll probably end up having to issue a false apology or just end the topic... like I always do with Byakko.
What teh hell are you talking about. How would I bring the Yun thing into me talking about teh last two months. I hope you posted this completely incoherent argument on purpose, because if you are serious you are just plain stupid.QuoteTell me, Byakko, why is it that for the past few months, a conversation like this hasn't come up?Yeah right, tell me about the last few months, then use the Yun AI argument to support your point ! Years could pass between each argument, it would still be too often.
Byakko, let me just ask you this question and PLEASE answer it honestly.QuoteI have admitted to having a language problemThen "tell me, hjk," why are you shitting all over me when it's exactly what I've been saying from the start ? Could it be you're arguing about something that has already been resolved ? It's like you have a pair of anti-Byakko glasses and everytime I say anything, you... uh... misinterpret it. Geez, if I tell you you're misinterpreting what I write, you don't think you should listen ? I know better than you what I mean, since I'm the one who write it. But no, you want to prove me wrong, so even when I'm the one speaking, I must have gotten it wrong.
You'll avoid a lot more arguments that way.With all due respect with Byakko, but... what makes you think he wants to avoid them :beam:
You are lying to yourself (more like I think you're lying to attempt to make yourself look better to all who read in ths topic).That would be you.
Your post was late and irrelevant, and wrong.Yes, yes, and no. You still didn't read what I said, either, and you say I was wrong. I explained what I said, you refuse it, you're a stupid moron for trying to say you know what I meant better than I do.
I never said you accused me of being qwer.Uh ! Yes, you did. The first time around, back then. before even mentionning MugenAbyss (it's the first time I hear of him, too)
No. I did not code Yun's AI. I have told you how many times. I DID NOT CODE YUN'S AI...Remind me how you "trapped" me into saying I accused you of leaking ? You had me say you coded it, by... telling me just that.
I didn't say anything about Kim leaking.Neither did I, which is exactly what I'm saying : I never said that.
it wasn't waru's, it was FlowaGirl's/The Necromancer 'sAh, correct, probably.
No it was false.No it wasn't. I was speaking about "the AI coder" being responsible, somehow you "tricked" me into saying you coded it (and you were proud of tricking me, too) and then now you say it wasn't you. Well, my initial point about the coder (I repeat, whoever it was, if it wasn't you, great for you, I don't care) being responsible for the leak still stands, so no, I wasn't wrong.
I said to you that qwer coded YunI never heard of qwer in the Yun case, probably because I never cared about who it was (I was talking about "the AI coder, whoever it is"). I heard of him in the Kim case, when he backstabbed you or whatever.
No, I'm saying your a drama starterYou're still the one yelling at me.
You make teh stupidest claims, never have tyour facts straight, and are damn hasty. Just READ. Just READ...Right back at you.
You said, that 'my little friend' had PMed you about itNo, I never received any PM from your friend. I never spoke to qwer or MugenAbyss, and I never said I did. It's you I spoke to about the AI thing. Here, let me write it in big so you won't miss/ignore it next time :
and made it seem like you were talking about qwer because you used the same terms to describe themKeyword : seem. You misunderstood it. I didn't care whoever it was, so no, I didn't know who it was.
and since you thought teh AI coder was me, you WERE ACCUSING ME.I repeat, I specifically remember paying attention to not point any finger. I always spoke about "the AI coder" and at some point you tried to be smart and make me say it was you. By making me think it was you. So yeah, I thought it was you at some point, what a surprise ! The only thing I knew back then was that you were involved, so yeah, I said you were involved. I said specifically "if you coded it and it was passed around, it means you're the one wh passed it". That's all I said. And if it turned out it wasn't you, my point still stood, the AI coder was responsible. what, is it the "IF" that you don't understand in that sentence ?
Way to avoid the post.QuoteYou are lying to yourself (more like I think you're lying to attempt to make yourself look better to all who read in ths topic).That would be you.
Way to avoid replying to the rest of my post. *I hope I've predicted your next reply well enough*QuoteYour post was late and irrelevant, and wrong.Yes, yes, and no. You still didn't read what I said, either, and you say I was wrong. I explained what I said, you refuse it, you're a stupid moron for trying to say you know what I meant better than I do.
You are one lying little punk (how I wanted to call you a *bi--h*). I tricked you by pretending to calm the situation down, giving you a false apology, still posting for a few pages, and tehn asking you something along teh lines of, 'so what was it you were trying to say I (and yes I did use "I") did.' You fell right where I wanted you because contrary to your former posts about, "speaking generally," (which was bull-shit) you said I (hjk), I made and leaked, and your [AI-Coder] who again you did say was me in your so-called general post, disobeyed KFM (let me clarify that, you used my name synonymously with the one doing the crime, when I only used I, meaning you were saying my role was 'X' without me actually saying it was 'X'). I was telling you the entire time that I didn't code the AI, and I asked you what MY (as in MY/hjk's role was) and you gave me what you thought "I (hjk)" did. No longer do you say, the quote, unquote [AI-Coder] (which I said you obviously meant me by), you said quote "you" addressing me. I asked you (with the obviously false message not to take it seriously), "what ever happened to speaking generally," I mean since you had just identified me as the [AI Coder] of your post. You were WRONG Byakko. And I know you'll post some random Bull Shit, but hey, that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess.QuoteI never said you accused me of being qwer.Uh ! Yes, you did. The first time around, back then. before even mentionning MugenAbyss (it's the first time I hear of him, too)QuoteNo. I did not code Yun's AI. I have told you how many times. I DID NOT CODE YUN'S AI...Remind me how you "trapped" me into saying I accused you of leaking ? You had me say you coded it, by... telling me just that.
I know. I just wanted to hammer that point home because your language in your former post seemed to equate the situation with Yun to Kim, both of whom I didnt code the AI for.QuoteI didn't say anything about Kim leaking.Neither did I, which is exactly what I'm saying : I never said that.
*I smiled a bit *Quoteit wasn't waru's, it was FlowaGirl's/The Necromancer 'sAh, correct, probably.
What? Let's go back to how badly posted that was.QuoteNo it was false.No it wasn't. I was speaking about "the AI coder" being responsible, somehow you "tricked" me into saying you coded it (and you were proud of tricking me, too) and then now you say it wasn't you. Well, my initial point about the coder (I repeat, whoever it was, if it wasn't you, great for you, I don't care) being responsible for the leak still stands, so no, I wasn't wrong.
No it wasn't. I was speaking about "the AI coder" being responsible, somehow you "tricked" me into saying you coded it (and you were proud of tricking me, too) and then now you say it wasn't you.I'll be flexible. I'll take the lame for the leak. but in all fiarness I did send in the messgae that I idn't want Yun hosted but instead it was to be private. Ask Makkah/MasterGouken what happened with haohmaru. I said host only the modified files, and that didn't happen.
I had said during the Yun case that qwer was the coder as well. I'll let that slide and blame my annoying post style back then. I did say I had been annoyed at qwer for leaving me to manage his YouTube account.. funny story.QuoteI said to you that qwer coded YunI never heard of qwer in the Yun case, probably because I never cared about who it was (I was talking about "the AI coder, whoever it is"). I heard of him in the Kim case, when he backstabbed you or whatever.
Don't avoid this question again please. Do you agree that your first posts were offensive and were the route of this argument?QuoteNo, I'm saying your a drama starterYou're still the one yelling at me.
You went on saying, "I acused you of being qwer" after my last post, when I said, NO, taht is not what went on.. *explanation of what actually happened.* Besides, your first post to me shows your lack of reading.QuoteYou make teh stupidest claims, never have tyour facts straight, and are damn hasty. Just READ. Just READ...Right back at you.[
That's a flat-out lie. Oohh, I wish MugenAbyss didn't go underground.QuoteYou said, that 'my little friend' had PMed you about itNo, I never received any PM from your friend. I never spoke to qwer or MugenAbyss, and I never said I did. It's you I told about not accepting AI patch. Here, let me write it in big so you won't miss/ignore it next time :
It's you I spoke to when I said no AI patch and I figured you passed the word to whoever was coding the AI.
Exactly why I amde taht post. It actually shows that I'm willing to keep an o[en mind to the possibilities, unlike someone. An admittal of a potential fault... Holy Shit, what's the score in this topic? hjk 2 maybe 3 (epeated over and over again making like 20), Byakko maybe 1.Quoteand made it seem like you were talking about qwer because you used the same terms to describe themKeyword : seem. You misunderstood it. I didn't care whoever it was, so no, I didn't know who it was.
Explained above. I utlined the sitaution for you. Gosh, how I wish the forum automatically saved topics in a separate place, when updating.Quoteand since you thought teh AI coder was me, you WERE ACCUSING ME.I repeat, I specifically remember paying attention to not point any finger. I always spoke about "the AI coder" and at some point you tried to be smart and make me say it was you. By making me think it was you. So yeah, I thought it was you at some point, what a surprise ! And if it turned out it wasn't you, my point still stood, the AI coder was responsible. That's what you never understood, that's what you still refuse to listen to, that's what I've been saying since back then. Why don't you just read this again and again and again until you understand it ? No, don't read any further, go back a little, read the sentence once more. DO IT.
he misunderstood my post, he's not reading it thoroughly.
I know I was clear and I must proove he's reading it wrong.
I asked you who the AI coder for either Yun or Kim was and you said me. I said, no I was not. You reasserted it was meNo, certainly not. I don't know how you figured that. If you told me "I didn't code the AI", then I certainly did not say "yes you did code the AI". I'm not a moron like you. The most I could've said was that you were "teaming up" with whoever qwer and MA are. If you thought I insisted that you coded it, you're really stupid, I definitely never did that.
I'll be flexible. I'll take the lame for the leak. but in all fiarness I did send in the messgae that I idn't want Yun hosted but instead it was to be private. Ask Makkah/MasterGouken what happened with haohmaru. I said host only the modified files, and that didn't happen.Yes, I understood that, that someone "backstabbed" you after you told them not to upload the files.
Do you agree that your first posts were offensive and were the route of this argument?I agree that my post was offensive because it was meant to be, but you're still the one who reacted all the way up to here. Somewhere along the line in this topic, you talked about "trying to calm things down", which is a flat-out contradiction.
That's a flat-out lie. Oohh, I wish MugenAbyss didn't go underground.Yeah, I wish. Whatever I may have ever told to MA was certainly not related to what I told you, or what you thought I told you.
:rofl:QuoteI asked you who the AI coder for either Yun or Kim was and you said me. I said, no I was not. You reasserted it was meNo, certainly not. I don't know how you figured that. If you told me "I didn't code the AI", then I certainly did not say "yes you did code the AI". I'm not a moron like you.
The most I could've said was that you were "teaming up" with whoever qwer and MA are. If you thought I insisted that you coded it, you're really stupid, I definitely never did that.Oh I know for a fact you didn't say that.
Backstabbed is farther than I want to go.. Let's just say there was a a 'breakdown in communication.'QuoteI'll be flexible. I'll take the lame for the leak. but in all fiarness I did send in the messgae that I idn't want Yun hosted but instead it was to be private. Ask Makkah/MasterGouken what happened with haohmaru. I said host only the modified files, and that didn't happen.Yes, I understood that, that someone "backstabbed" you after you told them not to upload the files.
Byakko, go read what I said abut calming things down and then come back and reply to me in full. I already answered you on this, Please Read it. But Really Byakko, tell me why you felt the need to be insulting?QuoteDo you agree that your first posts were offensive and were the route of this argument?I agree that my post was offensive because it was meant to be, but you're still the one who reacted all the way up to here. Somewhere along the line in this topic, you talked about "trying to calm things down", which is a flat-out contradiction.
You NEVER said, "If it's you" Byakko. You said initially, 'the [AI Coder] was told no by KFM and did it [leaked the patch] anyway. I'm just summing things up.' You made that post to Laxxe during the original topic. On a side KFM had already outlined that he thought I leaked the patch after I personally told him I wouldn't and that he found out about the leak while on MugenChina. That is the first reason, why your [AI Coder] could only have been me; instead of you and your BS about speaking generally. If you meant to spek generally you wouldn't have basically said the same exact words KFM did, but not use my name; minus the fact that you said "In THIS case" which means you couldn't have been speaking generally because you specified what situation you intended to post about meaning again your [AI Coder] could ONLY have been me (yeah, i took the time to memorize the important parts of your posts). SECOND, here's the big one, was during the Kim discussion, I tricked you into admitting that I was your [AI coder], just how I outlined it above, yopu got caught off guard, and didn't repeat, 'Oh hjk, I'm just speaking generally':QuoteThat's a flat-out lie. Oohh, I wish MugenAbyss didn't go underground.Yeah, I wish. Whatever I may have ever told to MA was certainly not related to what I told you, or what you thought I told you.
So if you don't say I accused you of leaking the patch, if you don't say I accused you of being qwer, what the hell are you even angry at me for ? Aside from how you apparently tought I kept saying you made this and that ai and leak. I spoke about responsibility about Yun, and you certainly had a part of responsibility ; I spoke about "the AI coder", and your post made me understand that you did it at first, so yes, I said repeated that, then you said it wasn't you. Apparently, you simply didn't explain yourself properly the very first time around (oh, what a surprise) then you backpedaled like you regularly do. I spoke about "the AI coder", and that's that. I repeat again, I said "if it's you, then you're responsible" ; the part where you say I "fell where you wanted me to fall", except you didn't understand the "IF it's you" part. I certainly never said "it's you, you're guilty", I said "if it's you, you're guilty". And you never understood the difference, and you're still saying "you said it was me". Right here and now, do you see the difference between "if it's you, then you're responsible" and "you did it, you're guilty" ? Do you see it or not ? If you do, why did you not see it back then ? I did take precautions and avoid pointing fingers ; and I definitely didn't say "you made the AI" after you told me "I didn't do the AI". And if all you can say is "you're lying", don't even bother.
You are one lying little punk (how I wanted to call you a *bi--h*). I tricked you by pretending to calm the situation down, giving you a false apology, still posting for a few pages, and tehn asking you something along teh lines of, 'so what was it you were trying to say I (and yes I did use "I") did.' You fell right where I wanted you because contrary to your former posts about, "speaking generally," (which was bull-shit) you said I (hjk), I made and leaked, and your [AI-Coder] who again you did say was me in your so-called general post, disobeyed KFM (let me clarify that, you used my name synonymously with the one doing the crime, when I only used I, meaning you were saying my role was 'X' without me actually saying it was 'X'). I was telling you the entire time that I didn't code the AI, and I asked you what MY (as in MY/hjk's role was) and you gave me what you thought "I (hjk)" did. No longer do you say, the quote, unquote [AI-Coder] (which I said you obviously meant me by), you said quote "you" addressing me. I asked you (with the obviously false message not to take it seriously), "what ever happened to speaking generally," I mean since you had just identified me as the [AI Coder] of your post. You were WRONG Byakko. And I know you'll post some random Bull Shit, but hey, that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess.QuoteI never said you accused me of being qwer.Uh ! Yes, you did. The first time around, back then. before even mentionning MugenAbyss (it's the first time I hear of him, too)QuoteNo. I did not code Yun's AI. I have told you how many times. I DID NOT CODE YUN'S AI...Remind me how you "trapped" me into saying I accused you of leaking ? You had me say you coded it, by... telling me just that.
Apparently that's what triggered your grudge against me, that's why you flipped out when your name was merely mentionned in the case of Kim & co. And somewhere along the line, you figured I spoke to MA outside of that topic, which I didn't - not that it would even be relevant (by the way, what do you even think we discussed that is so important ? Why do you insist so much that I spoke to MA ? Considering I didn't accuse you back then, since I did understand, after you pointed it out back then, that qwer "backstabbed" you) And you haven't answered that.I'm so insistent because YOU SAID THAT'S THE WAY IT HAPPENED THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED IT. I am sure MA would have seen the posts so he could prove you wrong, here, as well. 'Considering you didn't accuse me back then,' again I repeat, FULL OF CRAP. The situation with qwer is long and complex, a tl;dr and annoyingly long read would accompany my explanation.
What teh hell are you talking about. How would I bring the Yun thing into me talking about teh last two months. I hope you posted this completely incoherent argument on purpose, because if you are serious you are just plain stupid.QuoteTell me, Byakko, why is it that for the past few months, a conversation like this hasn't come up?Yeah right, tell me about the last few months, then use the Yun AI argument to support your point ! Years could pass between each argument, it would still be too often.
Byakko, let me just ask you this question and PLEASE answer it honestly.QuoteI have admitted to having a language problemThen "tell me, hjk," why are you shitting all over me when it's exactly what I've been saying from the start ? Could it be you're arguing about something that has already been resolved ? It's like you have a pair of anti-Byakko glasses and everytime I say anything, you... uh... misinterpret it. Geez, if I tell you you're misinterpreting what I write, you don't think you should listen ? I know better than you what I mean, since I'm the one who write it. But no, you want to prove me wrong, so even when I'm the one speaking, I must have gotten it wrong.
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o19/Yesujira/SSM2.gif)You must have been waiting all day to post that. I wonder why it took you so long? ;P
Actually it just came to mind after seeing that last post of yours since that really did remind me of the way GohanSSM2 wrote.HAHA :sugoi:
You kept on insisting the AI coder was me even after I told you otherwise.Yeah, whatever, I say no, you say yes.
You said initially, 'the [AI Coder] was told no by KFM and did it [leaked the patch] anyway. I'm just summing things up.'Yes, exactly. What problem do you have in understanding that I said it like that to avoid pointing any finger ? To avoid accusing you just in case it really wasn't your fault ? It turned out it really wasn't your fault, and for that, I'm proud of myself for not pointing the finger at you. I'm less proud of you for thinking I did when I didn't.
minus the fact that you said "In THIS case" which means you couldn't have been speaking generallyWhy couldn't it have been speaking generally ? In this case where KFM specifically said not to distribute anything. Was it false ? Was it false to say that, in a case where KFM specifically said not to distribute anything, finding out that the files were distributed really was a fault ? Was it not a fault if the files were distributed when KFM said no ? WAS IT OR NOT ?
I tricked you into admitting that I was your [AI coder]What's your problem in understanding that in what I was saying, the identity of the AI coder was irrelevant ? If you tricked me into saying "it's you" (by making me think it was you, what a brilliant plan), how does that make my statement about responsibility any less valid ?
AND AS A MATTER OF FACT; your post about saying, 'I always accuse other people of not liking me' was complete SHIT. The funny thing is, you always accuse me of having a grudge against you and KFM, which I barely do (the last time, as I recall, you called it a quote, "vendetta") You guys are so minor to me, it isn't even funny. During this topic, who was my original post focused on, you or someone completely unrelated to you? YOU, for some odd reason (you'rean odd guy Byakko) felt the need to jump in and blindsight me, unleashing you ShinKuu Hadouken of insults when I wasn't talking to you? Did I expect you to jump in talking about jackassedness and so on? NO. This is not some vendetta, it is your constant posting of stupid insulting shit...FIRST. My problem here is that you blatantly insulted me, as you always do, when it was completely out of line, when you weren't even the subject of my post, where you decide for me that I am yelling, where you manipulate facts and post various falsities to make yourself look better, and because you fail to fess up to being wrong.Blah blah blah, irrelevant. I've said that before. There's no reason for you to behave differently if it was me saying that, as long as it was true. Ignoring the "manipulating facts" and "talking for you" which is just plain retarded as we already went over that. And Cya-"your God"-nide and PotS agreed with the part where you did look like you were yelling. And that is your fault. Oh right, have you admitted that already ? I can't remember, with all the shitstorm tantrum fest you've been throwing. If you haven't aknowledged that it was your fault even after other people, including Your God, confirmed it, where's your improvement ?
You amaze me on so many levels Byakko. It makes me wonder, is this the longest argumnt you've ever been in at the Guild?
How would I bring the Yun thing into me talking about teh last two months.You tell me about Yun, then you ask if anything happened in the last months. Why do you do that ? Why would you bring up something that happened years ago if you want to say "in the last months, nothing particular happened" ? It's OK when you bring up something that happened years ago, but it's not OK for me to look any further back than a few months ago ? It doesn't make sense, it's a CONTRADICTION.
Now, EXPLAIN YOUR OLD SIG.This one right ?
I am the key of my computerHow does that mean whatever you think it means ?
Keyboard is my body, and Internet is my blood.
I have posted over a thousand rants
---Not to be ever shut up
---Not to be ever understood.
Have withstood sarcasm to write down many lines
Yet those words will never mean anything
---So as I type, Wall of Text.
Do you really feel as though by calling someone a "goddamn jackass," 'incoherent' or 'incompetant,' then having the other person reply in an unappreciative way (even in an angry way), would mean that that person is just out to get you, or that they have 'anti-Byakko' glasses on.No. I feel I say it because you're a jackass and an incompetent fool, and I back it up (you were just done admitting that you didn't explain yourself properly, that you mislabel things). You can't handle criticism (despite having said basically the same thing as me just a minute before) and you yell at me. You don't like the words I use. Why not just say it instead of denying what I say ? You're proving what I said in turning it into a shitfest. And for the records, I do apology when I use an improper wording or unnecessary insults (yes, it's happened before, just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen). That might even be the reason I haven't been banned so far.
Byakko, people have told you you have a tendency to do this ALL OF THE TIME.Uh ? I said I have a tendency to do that : I'm a straightforward jerk. So what ?
and you NEVER say you're sorry about it.Is it false ? You were saying just before my post that you have a problem with explaining yourself and labeling things. How does it become false when I say it ? And if it's not false, why would I apologize about it ?
If it isn't obvious by now, I'm trying to show you how bad your language can be. Besides the fact that in the Kim argument you identified it as me(hjk), I'm saying that looking at your post in regards to what KFM said, tthe fact that you said you were speaking generally, but fail to realize that in saying, "in this case" you are making the post specific (aka not general), added to that, the most you could have been doing (again because you said you were summing things up "in this case" was renaming 'me.' You posted foolishly, while simultaniously/all the while telling me to learn English.QuoteYou said initially, 'the [AI Coder] was told no by KFM and did it [leaked the patch] anyway. I'm just summing things up.'Yes, exactly. What problem do you have in understanding that I said it like that to avoid pointing any finger ? To avoid accusing you just in case it really wasn't your fault ? It turned out it really wasn't your fault, and for that, I'm proud of myself for not pointing the finger at you. I'm less proud of you for thinking I did when I didn't.
OMG, you know that isn't the issue I'm addressing.Quoteminus the fact that you said "In THIS case" which means you couldn't have been speaking generallyWhy couldn't it have been speaking generally ? In this case where KFM specifically said not to distribute anything. Was it false ? Was it false to say that, in a case where KFM specifically said not to distribute anything, finding out that the files were distributed really was a fault ? Was it not a fault if the files were distributed when KFM said no ? WAS IT OR NOT ?
You think it was because you thought it's you I was accusing all along. And it simply wasn't the case. How you just refuse to accept that, it's beyond me. It's the reason I say you don't look at yourself before telling me to watch what I say, too. It's the reason I say you never try to think "hey what if what he says was right ?"(iI explained it better above, but read this two, there is a bit extra) How many times do I have to explain this. Your post was not general, you said the same thing KFM did just renaming me as the [AI Coder] (KFM labeled me the AI coder and distributor), you said, "in this case" matching you up with what KFM was saying and both of you two turned out wrong. How can you not understand that the specific "in this case [*I'm going to repeat everything KFM said, but just rename hjk the [AI Coder]* you are just saying it was me (and yes, in teh Kim topic I caught you ff guard and you did say 'I (hjk)' was the AI Coder of whom you spoke). Since you were so wanting to speak generally, why didnt you say to KFM, 'KFM, hjk might not have been the AI coder and/or teh distributor.' You didn't disagree you, restated it. Byakko, you may have mispoke, hell I dont even thibnk you understood what you said, but my issue with you is taht you have been telling me to learn English, when you cant even identify what you said correctly... not even the simplest part about how your post couldn't have been general.
You are such an ass. I didn't make you think it was me. I freaking asked you while you were off guard, and you wrote what you thought my role in the thing was, and zippity-doo you match me up perfectly with your [AI Coder], meaning I was right.QuoteI tricked you into admitting that I was your [AI coder]What's your problem in understanding that in what I was saying, the identity of the AI coder was irrelevant ? If you tricked me into saying "it's you" (by making me think it was you, what a brilliant plan), how does that make my statement about responsibility any less valid ?
No you freaking idiot. I agreed with Cyanide because he said,QuoteAND AS A MATTER OF FACT; your post about saying, 'I always accuse other people of not liking me' was complete SHIT. The funny thing is, you always accuse me of having a grudge against you and KFM, which I barely do (the last time, as I recall, you called it a quote, "vendetta") You guys are so minor to me, it isn't even funny. During this topic, who was my original post focused on, you or someone completely unrelated to you? YOU, for some odd reason (you'rean odd guy Byakko) felt the need to jump in and blindsight me, unleashing you ShinKuu Hadouken of insults when I wasn't talking to you? Did I expect you to jump in talking about jackassedness and so on? NO. This is not some vendetta, it is your constant posting of stupid insulting shit...FIRST. My problem here is that you blatantly insulted me, as you always do, when it was completely out of line, when you weren't even the subject of my post, where you decide for me that I am yelling, where you manipulate facts and post various falsities to make yourself look better, and because you fail to fess up to being wrong.Blah blah blah, irrelevant. I've said that before. There's no reason for you to behave differently if it was me saying that, as long as it was true. Ignoring the "manipulating facts" and "talking for you" which is just plain retarded as we already went over that. And Cya-"your God"-nide and PotS agreed with the part where you did look like you were yelling. And that is your fault. Oh right, have you admitted that already ? I can't remember, with all the shitstorm tantrum fest you've been throwing. If you haven't aknowledged that it was your fault even after other people, including Your God, confirmed it, where's your improvement ?
You amaze me on so many levels Byakko. It makes me wonder, is this the longest argumnt you've ever been in at the Guild?
Ah, found it. You agreed to it right after Cyanide confirmed it.
... Wait, if you agreed, why the hell are you still telling me about making assumptions on that ?? o_O OBJECTION ! CONTRADICTION. The suspect aknowledged it was his fault yet he still keeps attacking my client about it.
increasing your text size "did come across" as shouting.He said it came across as shouting, unlike you who flat-out said:
Yeah, and you were "yelling" at him even when it wasn't your place. You're a jackass.You straight out said, "you were 'yelling' at him." and were plain wrong. Do you see the difference. And tyhis is part of what I mean by you manipulating facts in order to make yourself look better.
Here you go again with your manipulative sequencing of the events.QuoteHow would I bring the Yun thing into me talking about teh last two months.You tell me about Yun, then you ask if anything happened in the last months. Why do you do that ? Why would you bring up something that happened years ago if you want to say "in the last months, nothing particular happened" ? It's OK when you bring up something that happened years ago, but it's not OK for me to look any further back than a few months ago ? It doesn't make sense, it's a CONTRADICTION.
You don't even realize that you're the one misinterpreting what you're told. And you don't even question yourself about that even though the same thing happens all the time.To which I replied
What the hell Byakko. Of course I question myself, which is the reason why I APOLOGIZE TO PEOPLE. I have made genuine apologies before, as well as false ones for teh sake of ending drama. I have admitted to having a language problem, and I admit when I'm wrong. Tell me, Byakko, why is it that for the past few months, a conversation like this hasn't come up?Then you said:
Yeah right, tell me about the last few months, then use the Yun AI argument to support your point ! Years could pass between each argument, it would still be too often.And I said:
What teh hell are you talking about. How would I bring the Yun thing into me talking about teh last two months. I hope you posted this completely incoherent argument on purpose, because if you are serious you are just plain stupid.*In other words I picked out a specific part of your post and said I hope you were being sarcastic*
I don't even have to talk about teh last few months. There are people here who can vouch for me. I know walt and jango can. Even Cybaster probably could. I still make mistakes, but you, YOU HAVE REMIANED STATIC throughout your time here.
You tell me about Yun, then you ask if anything happened in the last months. Why do you do that ? Why would you bring up something that happened years ago if you want to say "in the last months, nothing particular happened" ? It's OK when you bring up something that happened years ago, but it's not OK for me to look any further back than a few months ago ? It doesn't make sense, it's a CONTRADICTION.Stop Fucking the events up Byakko, and actually be honest for once.
Well first of all the sad thing is, that sig accurately depicts how you've been since your time at MFG. The Mods and Admin would agree with that assessment, no?QuoteNow, EXPLAIN YOUR OLD SIG.This one right ?QuoteI am the key of my computerHow does that mean whatever you think it means ?
Keyboard is my body, and Internet is my blood.
I have posted over a thousand rants
---Not to be ever shut up
---Not to be ever understood.
Have withstood sarcasm to write down many lines
Yet those words will never mean anything
---So as I type, Wall of Text.
All it means is that, yes, I've been in a number of arguments, it means that people like you never [want to] understand what I say, and that they'll never hear the end of me still. That I do these things despite whatever sarcasm you may throw at me, yet that it will never reach people like you, and will never mean anything anyway. Because all those arguments really don't mean anything in the end, but that's no reason to stop me from doing it.
It's a parody of a text in a game. You may need to know about that original text to understand the meaning of this parody. But you're a moron anyway, so whatever. I could also add that, as a parody of myself as well, it's supposed to make me look bad (you call that self-bashing, auto-criticism or self-mocking), but you didn't even point out the right thing that makes me look bad in it, so I still won't give you that either.
So, which line means I never change my point of view, never listen, and never look at myself ? Let me give you a hint : none. There's no such thing in that text. The very fact I wrote that parody of myself already proves you wrong about me not looking at myself : because I know what's wrong with me - I'm a loud jerk, what I say is useless, and the arguments I'm in never make any sense.
So, do you have as much insight as me to ridicule yourself as much as I do to myself ? Do you have the balls in takes ? Are you ever going to apology about trying to act like you knew the meaning of what I wrote better than I do even though I'm the one who wrote it ?
And here you go again, manipulating facts and not reading my posts. (Mind you I am RESTATING this for the fucking 20th time because you don't like to read) In the beginning when this argument was just starting up, my language was fine, and I said exactly what I wanted to. THIS IS THE ORDER THAT YOU'VE FUCKED UP THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THIS THREAD. What happened was I labeled something a "wake-up" glitch before I reviewed the video, but after I finally did review it, I mentioned in my second post that what I intentionally said was a "wake-up" glitch, was in truth a mislabel, and that it was actually a "general recover" glitch (This is contrary to what is the usual where I mean to say one thing, but my language makes it look like somthing else). BOTH OF THESE TWO POSTS CAME BEFORE YOU EVEN GOT INTO THE DISCUSSION. You come in, not even reading my post right above yours, saying I'm still labeling the "wake-up" thing a glitch, when I had already CLEARLY switched (as in stated it just above your post) what I was talking about. You deleted your post because it was made irrelevant (and wrong) by my post just above it, and I deleted my post soon thereafter. I then PMed you to tell you that I deleted my post, so there would be no drama. Instead, you saw teh PM, then posted in a blatantly insulting post, that was uncalled for. Then I replied t your stupid, uncalled for, insulting post.QuoteDo you really feel as though by calling someone a "goddamn jackass," 'incoherent' or 'incompetant,' then having the other person reply in an unappreciative way (even in an angry way), would mean that that person is just out to get you, or that they have 'anti-Byakko' glasses on.No. I feel I say it because you're a jackass and an incompetent fool, and I back it up (you were just done admitting that you didn't explain yourself properly, that you mislabel things). You can't handle criticism (despite having said basically the same thing as me just a minute before) and you yell at me. You don't like the words I use. Why not just say it instead of denying what I say ? You're proving what I said in turning it into a shitfest. And for the records, I do apology when I use an improper wording or unnecessary insults (yes, it's happened before, just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen). That might even be the reason I haven't been banned so far.QuoteByakko, people have told you you have a tendency to do this ALL OF THE TIME.Uh ? I said I have a tendency to do that : I'm a straightforward jerk. So what ?Quoteand you NEVER say you're sorry about it.Is it false ? You were saying just before my post that you have a problem with explaining yourself and labeling things. How does it become false when I say it ? And if it's not false, why would I apologize about it ?
Yeah, I insulted you. because you deserve it.Tell me what exacly makes you the decider of whether I deserved it or not?
OH AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY QUESTION EVEN THOUGH I BOLDED IT. RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT NOW, DO YOU SEE OR NOT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO SENTENCES ?YOU NEED TO START FUCKING READING (that is, if I answered your correct bolded part)!!!
OMG, you know that isn't the issue I'm addressing.It's the issue that caused whatever issue you're addressing.
Besides the fact that in the Kim argument you identified it as me(hjk)No. the first thing I said in that topic started by MugenAbyss was that I didn't want this patch to be online. After it was pointed out who made the AI and who uploaded it, I definitely never said it was you. I knew you got your "communication disorder" with qwer, if you want to call it like that. YOU HAD JUST EXPLAINED IT. And I definitely never insisted that you made it after you said you didn't. the only thing I said was that qwer was supposed to know, from you, that I didn't want it. But you had a communication failure with him, too bad, shit happens. You somehow figured I meant I spoke directly to qwer, or that I thought you were him or whatever, when this wasn't the case. I said that back then, I'm still saying the same thing now. You have problems understanding properly what you're told.
but fail to realize that in saying, "in this case" you are making the post specific (aka not general)You have a problem with English. What is it that you don't understand in what I explained to you ? I don't care about what you understood back then, I'm explaining you right here and right now what it was. What do you find hard in accepting that I'm telling you, here and now, that what I said was still a general rule, "if the file, in this case the AI patch, was leaked despite the disapproval of the original author, in this case Necromancer through KFM... You're focusing on the wrong parts, isolating them and taking them out of context, to use them as a flag banner "you said 'in this case', this isn't general, it's specific". I'm the one who said that, how can you believe you know what I meant better than me ? I repeat, how can you believe you know what I meant better than me ? Regardless of what you understood back then, and regardless of what you remember. You think you were a target when this was not the point of what I was saying. Why do you think I spoke about "the AI coder" if not for that ? I repeat, why do you think I spoke about "the AI coder" if not for that ?
Then I put below it, 'What was it that you said I did in this post.'... which is the reason I figured at that point that you were the one who did it. "Oh, you never said anything about me, you said something about the AI coder without ever mentionning my name, I responded like I felt targeted, I act like it's me you insulted, and now you think it indeed was me". WHAT GIVES ? Yes, how could I imagine that it wasn't you when you replied "what do you say I did" when I was talking about "the AI coder" ? I should be able to read your mind, this isn't normal, I should have known you came out of nowhere and felt targeted for no reason ! It's an insufferable crime that, because you acted like it was you, I indeed thought it was you !
He aid it came across as shouting, unlike you who flat-out said:Did you notice the quotes ? And did you just ignore whatever I said afterward ? Let's see what else I said :
Now explain the font size change and caps lock everywhere. In case you don't know, that's the writing equivalent of yelling.
The way you were writing back there is what makes you look like a jackass, no matter who you are, and no matter how you thought it was.So now what, I said the same thing as Cyanide, that it's how it "looked like" even if you didn't mean it that way. So why did you accept it when Cyanide said it and not when I said the same thing ?
- Equating this situation with the othersUh. Cyanide's very first reply was telling you exactly that, that you always call something a bug and that we don't want to hear about it anymore. You replied to him with your "yelling" (NOTICE THE QUOTES, JACKASS) which is why I replied in turn.
Stop Fucking the events up Byakko, and actually be honest for once.I am honest. You post like a jackass all the time. you say the last few months were quiet, but yet you come at me about the Yun and Kim problem. and you're the one lying, the first time yun came into the discussion was here (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg679761#msg679761) :
Second lets go through you. Since my time here I HAVE NEVER seen you admit to being wrong. Not even when i explained to you that I wasn't the AI coder for Yun or Kimthis sentence is the first time the word "Yun" arrived into the discussion. You are the one who brought it up. It's to this that I replied that you brought the Yun event back from years ago. You talk about how I never admitted being wrong in the Yun and Kim case, just a few lines after telling me about "the past few months". It's in the same post. You mention how you still have something against me for not admitting of being wrong years ago, but just before saying that, you just said that all that mattered was "the last few months". so when you want to know when aws the last time you made a mistake, you don't go any furhter back than "the last few months", but if you want to know when I didn't admit I was wrong, you go back to years ago. IN THE SAME POST.
Well first of all the sad thing is, that sig accurately depicts how you've been since your time at MFG. The Mods and Admin would agree with that assessment, no?Yes, that's good, act like I care. Or better, act like it's relevant to you not understanding what you're told and then lying and throwing a tantrum and some more. Oh hey, while yuo're at it, why don't you act as if it changes the actual content of what I say ?
I'm actually very surprised that you'd self-bash, but its kind of funny, that within your self bashing, you never say you'll attempt to make a change. Just tell me, why is that?'Cause I don't care. You need change more than I do. As long as you have bigger problems than me, as long as there's someone left who is worse than me who I haven't bashed up the skull yet, I have no reason to do anything. When I'll be the only one bastard left, when I'll be the worse guy around, I'll have no reason anymore to do it.
In the beginning when this argument was just starting up, my language was fineno it wasn't. Your first post to which Cyanide replied where you mislabeled a bug, then your second post when you looked like you were yelling blue murder at Cyanide for ever doubting you, how could he dare hint that you might not read before posting. THIS IS NOT "A FINE LANGUAGE". This is what you don't get. You behave like you simply reworded yourself, but you did so in a manner that made people think you were yelling at Cyanide. YOU AGREED WITH THAT WHEN CYANIDE TOLD YOU JUST THAT. So who's fucking up the order of events ? Who's lying and distording facts ? This is the reason I said what I said the first time I arrived. My post was late because you indeed had just corrected yourself and posted a video, but it was still true ; yet as it was late, I deleted it. Then you posted, and I ended up reposting the same thing. Its content was still true : you behaved like a jackass, not even aware you looked like one.
Tell me what exacly makes you the decider of whether I deserved it or not?I do. I decide what I say. I decided that you deserved being called a jackass. Cyanide confirmed that you looked like you were yelling, and you accepted it. So yes, I decided that you deserved it. I decided I would say it.
Oh wait, tell me why I deserved it
OU NEED TO START FUCKING READING (that is, if I answered your correct bolded part)!!!What you said did not answer my bolded question. All you say is that, back then, you thought I said this and that. RIGHT HERE AND NOW, DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE. NOT BACK THEN. HERE AND NOW, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "IF YOU ARE GUILTY, THEN BAD" AND "YOU ARE GUILTY, DIE". I don't give a rat's fart if back then you thought I said "you did it". It's a simple question, yes or no. Say "yes, right here and now, I can say it is indeed not the same thing" or say "no, right here and now, I don't see the difference between conditional and an affirmation". Don't give me crap about how you interpreted what I said back then. Just say if you see a difference.
Warning - while you were typing 4 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.Oy ! Let me post if you want the movie to continue, dudes .\/.
Byakko, again you are wrong. Wow, is this the sixteenth time i'm preenting PROOF of former posts in this this thread, so you can understand order of events. First of all youi disected my post and tried to flip its meaning =, ignoring teh rest of the paragraphQuoteOMG, you know that isn't the issue I'm addressing.It's the issue that caused whatever issue you're addressing.
You NEVER said, "If it's you" Byakko. You said initially, 'the [AI Coder] was told no by KFM and did it [leaked the patch] anyway. I'm just summing things up.' You made that post to Laxxe during the original topic. On a side KFM had already outlined that he thought I leaked the patch after I personally told him I wouldn't and that he found out about the leak while on MugenChina. That is the first reason, why your [AI Coder] could only have been me; instead of you and your BS about speaking generally. If you meant to spek generally you wouldn't have basically said the same exact words KFM did, but not use my name; minus the fact that you said "In THIS case" which means you couldn't have been speaking generally because you specified what situation you intended to post about meaning again your [AI Coder] could ONLY have been me (yeah, i took the time to memorize the important parts of your posts). SECOND, here's the big one, was during the Kim discussion, I tricked you into admitting that I was your [AI coder], just how I outlined it above, yopu got caught off guard, and didn't repeat, 'Oh hjk, I'm just speaking generally'*Summary - You said "I" was you AI coder for so and so reasons. Specifically, your [AI Coder] culd not have been a general person, the [AI coder] in your post was synonymous with me (hjk)*
I replied:Quoteminus the fact that you said "In THIS case" which means you couldn't have been speaking generallyWhy couldn't it have been speaking generally ? In this case where KFM specifically said not to distribute anything. Was it false ? Was it false to say that, in a case where KFM specifically said not to distribute anything, finding out that the files were distributed really was a fault ? Was it not a fault if the files were distributed when KFM said no ? WAS IT OR NOT ?
OMG, you know that isn't the issue I'm addressing.Because the issue I was addressing was that you made the [AI Coder]/Distributor synonymous with 'me.'
No. I started the Kim topic. It was a video showcase, and it was there that i got you to say taht I was your AI Cder. Had you actually read my last post, you would have seen this:QuoteBesides the fact that in the Kim argument you identified it as me(hjk)No. the first thing I said in that topic started by MugenAbyss was that I didn't want this patch to be online. After it was pointed out who made the AI and who uploaded it, I definitely never said it was you. I knew you got your "communication disorder" with qwer, if you want to call it like that. YOU HAD JUST EXPLAINED IT. And I definitely never insisted that you made it after you said you didn't. the only thing I said was that qwer was supposed to know, from you, that I didn't want it. But you had a communication failure with him, too bad, shit happens. You somehow figured I meant I spoke directly to qwer, or that I thought you were him or whatever, when this wasn't the case. I said that back then, I'm still saying the same thing now. You have problems understanding properly what you're told.
Let me add in more detail, I quoted your post about, 'In this case the [AI Coder] asked the representative of the creator fopr permission to release the Patch. The representative said No, and the AI coder did it anyway." Then I put below it, 'What was it that you said I did in this post.' You, should have been able to catch that I never used my name synonymously with the [AI Coder] or distributor. Your answer should have been, that you never said 'I' had done anything. Instead your answer was, 'I was saying that you disobeyed KFM, maybe unintentionally... *dah, dah dah dah dah.*' I then asked, 'what happened to you just speaking generally?'
Is that enough detail for you, because I'll give more if need be.
No fool. I'm saying you pull that nonsense about, knowing English better than those whose first language is English. I'm telling you that you don't even understand what you said, and in any case, I did, get you to admit that I was the AI coder you mentioned in teh Yun case, in the quote of mine I just posted above.Quotebut fail to realize that in saying, "in this case" you are making the post specific (aka not general)You have a problem with English. What is it that you don't understand in what I explained to you ? I don't care about what you understood back then, I'm explaining you right here and right now what it was. What do you find hard in accepting that I'm telling you, here and now, that what I said was still a general rule, "if the file, in this case the AI patch, was leaked despite the disapproval of the original author, in this case Necromancer through KFM... You're focusing on the wrong parts, isolating them and taking them out of context, to use them as a flag banner "you said 'in this case', this isn't general, it's specific". I'm the one who said that, how can you believe you know what I meant better than me ? I repeat, how can you believe you know what I meant better than me ? Regardless of what you understood back then, and regardless of what you remember. You think you were a target when this was not the point of what I was saying. Why do you think I spoke about "the AI coder" if not for that ? I repeat, why do you think I spoke about "the AI coder" if not for that ?
Let's go over. My previous posts in the thread said that I WAS NOT THE AI CODER. Why would I switch it at that point... which is why I called it 'a trick.' I wanted to see if you had been paying attention to what was going on, and what specifically I was saying. My post never said that I was the AI coder/distributor so, your reply, should have been (had you been paying attention), 'I wasn't talking about you here.' Given ths response though, yes, I'll accept that you didn't know exactly what you were saying and thsi could have been an innocent mistake on your part. Did you make a mistake in saying "you[hjk]" synonymously with the AI coder?QuoteThen I put below it, 'What was it that you said I did in this post.'... which is the reason I figured at that point that you were the one who did it. "Oh, you never said anything about me, you said something about the AI coder without ever mentionning my name, I responded like I felt targeted, I act like it's me you insulted, and now you think it indeed was me". WHAT GIVES ? Yes, how could I imagine that it wasn't you when you replied "what do you say I did" when I was talking about "the AI coder" ? I should be able to read your mind, this isn't normal, I should have known you came out of nowhere and felt targeted for no reason ! It's an insufferable crime that, because you acted like it was you, I indeed thought it was you !
YOU ARE THE BIGGEST DIMWITTED ASSHOLE EVER.QuoteHe aid it came across as shouting, unlike you who flat-out said:Did you notice the quotes ? And did you just ignore whatever I said afterward ? Let's see what else I said :me said:Now explain the font size change and caps lock everywhere. In case you don't know, that's the writing equivalent of yelling.me said:The way you were writing back there is what makes you look like a jackass, no matter who you are, and no matter how you thought it was.So now what, I said the same thing as Cyanide, that it's how it "looked like" even if you didn't mean it that way. So why did you accept it when Cyanide said it and not when I said the same thing ?
No you freaking idiot. I agreed with Cyanide because he said,Don't you dare try to fuck taht up again. Answer thsi shit honestly instead of pulling parts out of order.increasing your text size "did come across" as shouting.He said it came across as shouting, unlike you who flat-out said:Yeah, and you were "yelling" at him even when it wasn't your place. You're a jackass.You straight out said, "you were 'yelling' at him." and were plain wrong. Do you see the difference. And tyhis is part of what I mean by you manipulating facts in order to make yourself look better.
Let's count:
- Bad sequencing of events
- Saying I always accuse people of not liking me, WHEN I NEVER HAVE BEFORE NOW.
- Putting words into my mouth (keep reading the rest of this reply)
- Saying I'm yelling at you, because it's you, instead of because you posted like an ass. Stop insulting people and subjecting them to your own interpretations and just POST.
- Equating this situation to the others (Here I made all the points I needed to in the way I meant, mind you the first thing I said was wrong, which I called out in my next post, BUT IT WAS NOT, I repeat WAS NOT, me speaking unclearly as it usually is. In the others, as it cncerns you, I don't even know. I've issued too many false apologies to you that i can't even count.
Cyanide said, he didn't want to hear about teh glitches. You said I posted in language that was unclear. My posts before you got in here all made the points I wanted them to make; again meaning they were different from teh normal situations. You fail to realize that every time I explain it; wose yet, you got into simply insulting me for a bad interpretation of my posts.Quote- Equating this situation with the othersUh. Cyanide's very first reply was telling you exactly that, that you always call something a bug and that we don't want to hear about it anymore. You replied to him with your "yelling" (NOTICE THE QUOTES, JACKASS) which is why I replied in turn.
Way to toally dodge what I said. And yesm i brought in Yun, just to sjhow how you never admit you are wrong. And yes, I remeber what i said during teh last little tuffle, but fuck that crap, because you never learn anything anyway.QuoteStop Fucking the events up Byakko, and actually be honest for once.I am honest. You post like a jackass all the time. you say the last few months were quiet, but yet you come at me about the Yun and Kim problem. and you're the one lying, the first time yun came into the discussion was here (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg679761#msg679761)
What the fuck are you talking about.QuoteSecond lets go through you. Since my time here I HAVE NEVER seen you admit to being wrong. Not even when i explained to you that I wasn't the AI coder for Yun or Kimthis sentence is the first time the word "Yun" arrived into the discussion. You are the one who brought it up. It's to this that I replied that you brought the Yun event back from years ago. You talk about how I never admitted being wrong in the Yun and Kim case, just a few lines after telling me about "the past few months". It's in the same post. You mention how you still have something against me for not admitting of being wrong years ago, but just before saying that, you just said that all that mattered was "the last few months". so when you want to know when aws the last time you made a mistake, you don't go any furhter back than "the last few months", but if you want to know when I didn't admit I was wrong, you go back to years ago. IN THE SAME POST.
So, who's fucking up the order of events ?
Stop fucking shit up BYAKKO.I am aware that I talk like a jerk and that I'm too straightforward to be polite. You don't even realize that you're the one misinterpreting what you're told. And you don't even question yourself about that even though the same thing happens all the time.What the hell Byakko. Of course I question myself, which is the reason why I APOLOGIZE TO PEOPLE. I have made genuine apologies before, as well as false ones for teh sake of ending drama. I have admitted to having a language problem, and I admit when I'm wrong. Tell me, Byakko, why is it that for the past few months, a conversation like this hasn't come up?QuoteIs that right?No.
Second lets go through you. Since my time here I HAVE NEVER seen you admit to being wrong. Not even when i explained to you that I wasn't the AI coder for Yun or Kim; you could have looked, its not hard, but no; I took the road of ending the drama and said it was 'my mistake' even though I just thought you were being blindly accusitory and lazy.
Tell me Byakko, I want you to analyze your old sig for everyone to see. It prettuy much sums up that you never look at yourself.
KFM has very high stamina. He'll eventually win.Let's see who has the most stamina :gugoi:
You said "I" was you AI coder for so and so reasonsNo, I didn't. You say that all the time, I say all the time that I didn't.
Specifically, your [AI Coder] culd not have been a general person, the [AI coder] in your post was synonymous with me (hjk)*This is your conclusion. I pointed out several times that I didn't give a damn about who did it. It's the reason I never named you directly. You felt targeted for some reason. I "admitted" whatever you want because you brought your own conclusion that "the AI coder" could only be you, even though it was totally irrelevant.
I replied:To which I replied that I didn't give a damn about who it was. I don't care about the issue you are addressing, simply because you're beside the point. You hate how I "accuse" you and insult you ? I know, I just don't care.
OMG, you know that isn't the issue I'm addressing.
Because the issue I was addressing was that you made the [AI Coder]/Distributor synonymous with 'me.'
No. I started the Kim topic. It was a video showcaseThe topic I'm talking about was the one that had a Kim, a King, a Haohmaru and some other 3 characters I forgot. I think the King was that of Jennifer or something. I said I didn't want my Kim there, and it was removed. And I never said anything about who did it. THIS TOPIC is the one where you had your "communication failure" with qwer. If you're talking about the other topic with the video you showed (which is NOT THE SAME TOPIC), I also said I didn't want it to be distributed, and that time again, I didn't give a damn about who made the AI. I probably first thought it was you, but after you said who did it, I definitely didn't insist - mainly because I didn't give a damn about who made it.
Had you actually read my last post, you would have seen this:Uh ! There's absolutely nothing about Kim in what you quote here. I thought you were still speaking about Yun, because the "AI coder" and the "generally speaking" was about YUN. NOT KIM. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT "THE AI CODER" AND "GENERALLY SPEAKING" ABOUT KIM. You're just speaking shit if you're putting Kim in with th very first discussion we had about Necromancer's Yun with KFM.
and in any case, I did, get you to admit that I was the AI coder you mentioned in teh Yun case, in the quote of mine I just posted above.Yes, by making me think you were the AI coder, what a brilliant scheme. It's a miracle that I believed you when you made me think you were the guy, isn't it ?
My post above explained where this whole shit started.No, it didn't. You mixed it up. "This whole shit" didn't "start" by the last post, it started with the first post.
Answer thsi shit honestlyI did. I quoted the posts in the order they appeared. What, do you need me to take screenshots ?
Cyanide said, he didn't want to hear about teh glitches.Yes, that's pretty much what "the other situations" were about : you always crying how Mugen had glitches and bugs.
Way to toally dodge what I said.You're funny. Well, no, not really. You speak shit, I correct you, you insult me. Oh, and at some point you claimed you tried to keep the discussion civil, it's pretty visible it's false.
but fuck that crap, because you never learn anything anyway.Right, and you say I"m dodging your comments.
What the fuck are you talking about.Yes it is.
This isn't fucking up the order of events
BTW, way to totally ignored the fact that I use the word "second" and started a new paragraph, implying I'm making a new pointIrrelevant. You're still saying you didn't do anything bad in the last few months, but you're trying to go back to 4 years ago to try to say I never admitted being wrong. That's what's fucked up, and you're a douchebag. Just because you said "second" inbetween and changed paragraph doesn't change anything to what I said. and you're ignoring that, with bullshit like "oh, it was a different paragraph".
Stop fucking shit up BYAKKO.Then stop fucking shit up, HJK. By the way, I see how you ask me questions about why I do this and that and then ignore it when I reply. Nice move !
Honest to God, I tryed reading it. What the fuck just happened? :SReading it is the wrong thing to do, you just read the little comments that non-Byakko or HJK people make.
tl:drPerfect timing for a summary and putting all the cards back into play.
What was the original reason for this discussion?
*I'm really insecure... on the internet [size=5pt]maybe in RL as well :-\[/size]
He flipped out, because he didn't like the insult. Which would have been fair enough...
what makes you think people will not react negatively to direct insults?As Sepp replied ; I actually would have apologized if he had just said it. And yes, it has happened before, a few times (me throwing an insult, the guy saying that was uncalled for/unnecessary/getting angry/whatever, me apologizing). But hjk's shit is not such a case where he was rightful to get angry the way he did.
But is it desirable? ... is it acceptable?In a forum ? No. I did mention, though, that I didn't care ; because I do think he deserves it. And if he deserves it, that's enough of a reason for me to say it. Regardless of what you (I mean you generally, not you waltari) may think of it. And I also believe this reason can overrule the previous. In society, maybe not, but from person to person, it does.
*I'm really insecure... on the internet [size=5pt]maybe in RL as well :-\[/size]
All done. Even though! Teehee has something slightly unnerving from time to time.
There is something stlightly unnervinng about me even to myself I admit. I have been trying to control myself through either making disturbing 'funnyish' posts, or else by hinting at certain things I have a problem with. It stems from some serious family strains.
I actually was hoping to patch a few things up that were left unfinished here on the forum. I have already made peace with many other "old chums" but I'll have to see how the other things turn out as well.
But is it desirable? ... is it acceptable?
I'm asking you Sepp, do we have any rules about such flagrant form of disrespect? Will those be enforced by you, the only apparent person with a non-biased opinion on B's behavior ?
You always attempt to attack those that you think are lower than you on the foodchain on foruns.
You just need a target to piledrive dontcha?
Ive never once hid behind any power in order to strike others down. You? You always attempt to attack those that you think are lower than you on the foodchain on foruns.Just in case you're trying to imply I hide behind my powers at RS - that must be the reason I'm keeping a low profile about it right now. Oh, wait, let me check... I'm not. Otherwise, if you mean "lower on the foodchain" as "people deserving bashing"... Then yes. If you mean it as "just random noobs" then no.
You know as much as my name got tossed around on page 5 there I've really opted to keep out of this.We demoted [E] for less than that.
But Iced, for someone preaching about turning the other cheek and such as you can tend to, you're pretty bad at practicing it. You ran blindly into a heated discussion, with people that have dealt with Warner's sting easily in the past, shout "you should be ashamed!", and then get pissy with the fact people react negatively. You might as well have run into a crowded alley in a black neighborhood dressed in KKK garb and shouted "NIGGERRRRS!"
And I can assure you Byakko would have told you what he did even without his mod title. And I've seen worse all around, and people half the fellow you are react better. It's been, what, three weeks and you're still moaning about it?
This should be locked for the safety of mankind.
I gave him way too many chances just to have my pm box bombed with insults.Sure, no matter how stupid your behavior may have been, as long as I insulted you, I'm worth no forgiving or listening. Oh hey, I think I've mentionned something like that several times about some of the staff around here... Back when I argued with Val, TDS or walt (which doesn't happen anymore). You're doing the same, don't get surprised I react the same way.
But Iced, for someone preaching about turning the other cheek and such as you can tend to, you're pretty bad at practicing it. You ran blindly into a heated discussion, with people that have dealt with Warner's sting easily in the past, shout "you should be ashamed!", and then get pissy with the fact people react negatively. You might as well have run into a crowded alley in a black neighborhood dressed in KKK garb and shouted "NIGGERRRRS!"
You know as much as my name got tossed around on page 5 there I've really opted to keep out of this.I wanted to reply to this first. Iced, has stood out of the way in Byakko's posts for quite some time now. I'll tell you straight up that he got dragged into this thread. His initial post could have addressed Byakko, but he avoided it.
But Iced, for someone preaching about turning the other cheek and such as you can tend to, you're pretty bad at practicing it. You ran blindly into a heated discussion, with people that have dealt with Warner's sting easily in the past, shout "you should be ashamed!", and then get pissy with the fact people react negatively. You might as well have run into a crowded alley in a black neighborhood dressed in KKK garb and shouted "NIGGERRRRS!"
And I can assure you Byakko would have told you what he did even without his mod title. And I've seen worse all around, and people half the fellow you are react better. It's been, what, three weeks and you're still moaning about it?
You'll never understand English. You'll go on everyday preaching about how much better you are at languages than aeveryone else, and never even realize, even after I post clear explanations, that the unavoidable conclusion from your posts was that I was your [AI Coder], and that is minus the fact that you got the details wrong straight out. You need to better your language skills too Byakko.QuoteYou said "I" was you AI coder for so and so reasonsNo, I didn't. You say that all the time, I say all the time that I didn't.
I'll start writing in big, maybe you'll see. You know, just for the kicks of this discussion turning even more silly (yes, I trust it can) when you'll do the same and the next 10 pages will be written in fonts of increasing sizes. What's more fitting in this stupidity when hjk just will keep going to yell that I don't listen, that I said it was him, and when I'll keep saying all his arguments are completely off the point.
Wait, you admitted something?? Holy Crap, WHERE, i wanna see.QuoteSpecifically, your [AI Coder] culd not have been a general person, the [AI coder] in your post was synonymous with me (hjk)*This is your conclusion. I pointed out several times that I didn't give a damn about who did it. It's the reason I never named you directly. You felt targeted for some reason. I "admitted" whatever you want because you brought your own conclusion that "the AI coder" could only be you, even though it was totally irrelevant.
Byakko. what i'm trying to get at is that while you say I post badly, you have done the same many times. You may not have meant to say that i was your [AI Coder], buuuuuut ya did :goofy:. The Kim post "trick" was the same. What really urks me, is how you completely avoid saying 'you made a mistake.' I just want to see you do it for once.QuoteI replied:To which I replied that I didn't give a damn about who it was. I don't care about the issue you are addressing, simply because you're beside the point. You hate how I "accuse" you and insult you ? I know, I just don't care.
OMG, you know that isn't the issue I'm addressing.
Because the issue I was addressing was that you made the [AI Coder]/Distributor synonymous with 'me.'
You made a fuss out of it because you concluded I was talking about you, even though I never named you, and you ignored what I was saying altogether. And you're never going to listen to that. What's hard to understand ? Just copy this text and post it into your next reply : I DIDN'T GIVE A DAMN AND AVOIDED POINTING ANY FINGER. Like I said several times, my only concern was about the liability. There WAS a leak, there WAS someone who was responsible for it. THIS WAS TRUE. It wasn't you, cool for you. For SOME reason, you always thought I spoke about you. You're trying to shove everywhere the idea that I was axccusing you, when I didn't give a damn. Why do you not accept that ? I DIDN'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YOU. I STILL DON'T. You're the one trying to force the conclusion that it could only have been you, even though it was completely irrelevant to what I was saying. What's hard to understand that ?
Yes, i was talking about the "video" topic. And you did keep insisting that I was the one who coded Kim and Yun.QuoteNo. I started the Kim topic. It was a video showcaseThe topic I'm talking about was the one that had a Kim, a King, a Haohmaru and some other 3 characters I forgot. I think the King was that of Jennifer or something. I said I didn't want my Kim there, and it was removed. And I never said anything about who did it. THIS TOPIC is the one where you had your "communication failure" with qwer. If you're talking about the other topic with the video you showed (which is NOT THE SAME TOPIC), I also said I didn't want it to be distributed, and that time again, I didn't give a damn about who made the AI. I probably first thought it was you, but after you said who did it, I definitely didn't insist - mainly because I didn't give a damn about who made it.
What happened in the Kim case was taht I asked you who the AI coder for either Yun or Kim was and you said me. I said, no I was not. You reasserted it was me, and I said look for the answer. You once again reasserted that it was me, then someone made a post along the lines that we need to grow up, so I made the false post, "that I should have just revealed to you that qwer was the coder, instead of being immature and leading you on a random quest to find the answer." Yes, it was a false decline, because I was rather pissed off that you continued to tell me that 'I (hjk) coded the AIs,' and in effect tell me that 'you knew more about the situation than I did,' when I was directly involved therefore, there is no way I could have been wrong while discussing that specifc part. You couldn't even realize that, and I felt poor for you, as is the usual.
NO YOU IDIOT. Huh, I'll add in more detail (here, I'll give you the right to say you got confused because your memory isn't as good as mine):QuoteHad you actually read my last post, you would have seen this:Uh ! There's absolutely nothing about Kim in what you quote here. I thought you were still speaking about Yun, because the "AI coder" and the "generally speaking" was about YUN. NOT KIM. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT "THE AI CODER" AND "GENERALLY SPEAKING" ABOUT KIM. You're just speaking shit if you're putting Kim in with th very first discussion we had about Necromancer's Yun with KFM.
Let me add in more detail, in the Kim Video Topic I reposted a quoted post of yours from the Yun topic, yiu know, the one where you said, 'In this case the [AI Coder] asked the representative of the creator fopr permission to release the Patch. The representative said No, and the AI coder did it anyway." Then I put below it, 'What was it that you said I did in this post.' You, should have been able to catch that I never used my name synonymously with the [AI Coder] or distributor. Your answer should have been, that you never said 'I' had done anything. Instead your answer was, 'I was saying that you disobeyed KFM, maybe unintentionally... *dah, dah dah dah dah.*' I then asked, 'what happened to you just speaking generally?'
Quoteand in any case, I did, get you to admit that I was the AI coder you mentioned in teh Yun case, in the quote of mine I just posted above.Yes, by making me think you were the AI coder, what a brilliant scheme. It's a miracle that I believed you when you made me think you were the guy, isn't it ?
Oh my God. Oh My God :rofl:QuoteMy post above explained where this whole shit started.No, it didn't. You mixed it up. "This whole shit" didn't "start" by the last post, it started with the first post.
And here you go again, manipulating facts and not reading my posts. (Mind you I am RESTATING this for the fucking 20th time because you don't like to read) In the beginning when this argument was just starting up, my language was fine, and I said exactly what I wanted to. THIS IS THE ORDER THAT YOU'VE FUCKED UP THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THIS THREAD. What happened was I labeled something a "wake-up" glitch before I reviewed the video, but after I finally did review it, I mentioned in my second post that what I intentionally said above was a mislabel, and that it was actually a "general recover" glitch (This is contrary to what is the usual where I mean to say one thing, but my language makes it look like somthing else). BOTH OF THESE TWO POSTS CAME BEFORE YOU EVEN GOT INTO THE DISCUSSION. You come in, not even reading my post right above yours, saying I'm still labeling the "wake-up" thing a glitch, when I had already CLEARLY switched (as in stated it just above your post) what I was talking about. You deleted your post because it was made irrelevant (and wrong) by my post just above it, and I deleted my post soon thereafter. I then PMed you to tell you that I deleted my post, so there would be no drama. Instead, you saw teh PM, then posted in a blatantly insulting post, that was uncalled for. Then I replied t your stupid, uncalled for, insulting post.
Remember this post Byakko:Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
You lying little punk. No, you manipulated the order as you always do, so you could look good instead of facing the fact that you're an ass. The excepted quote, with the quote, from my disected reply, just above this one, explained it.QuoteAnswer thsi shit honestlyI did. I quoted the posts in the order they appeared. What, do you need me to take screenshots ?
Yes, Cyanide did. I explained to him why I called them glitches. The other issues were about the glitches, but every time people were telling, 'hjk, you didn't read,' 'hjk, you must have made a mistake in your code,' 'hjk, blah,' when I did read, when i did check my code, when I kept on adding more and more details to better prove my point (because limiting my words made me leave stuff out, minus the fact that i was hoping people would catch my 'understoods'), when I etc.. That is besides the point though. The issue is that you jumped in posting irrelevant shit, and insulting me, when it was unneeded, and uncalled for.QuoteCyanide said, he didn't want to hear about teh glitches.Yes, that's pretty much what "the other situations" were about : you always crying how Mugen had glitches and bugs.
You're so full of crap, Byakko and you know it.QuoteWay to toally dodge what I said.You're funny. Well, no, not really. You speak shit, I correct you, you insult me. Oh, and at some point you claimed you tried to keep the discussion civil, it's pretty visible it's false.
QuoteWay to toally dodge what I said.You're funny. Well, no, not really. You speak shit, I correct you, you insult me. Oh, and at some point you claimed you tried to keep the discussion civil, it's pretty visible it's false.
Fuck yes, you are.Quotebut fuck that crap, because you never learn anything anyway.Right, and you say I"m dodging your comments.
PROVE IT. I’ve posted the post order as proof so many times that it isn’t funny. You, make a clear order of events for me, please? I want to see if you’ll fill it with total bull shit or not.QuoteWhat the fuck are you talking about.Yes it is.
This isn't fucking up the order of events
Byakko, let me post again, the posts we made.QuoteBTW, way to totally ignored the fact that I use the word "second" and started a new paragraph, implying I'm making a new pointIrrelevant. You're still saying you didn't do anything bad in the last few months, but you're trying to go back to 4 years ago to try to say I never admitted being wrong. That's what's fucked up, and you're a douchebag. Just because you said "second" inbetween and changed paragraph doesn't change anything to what I said. and you're ignoring that, with bullshit like "oh, it was a different paragraph".
... You talk about how I never admitted being wrong in the Yun and Kim case, just a few lines after telling me about "the past few months". It's in the same post. You mention how you still have something against me for not admitting of being wrong years ago, but just before saying that, you just said that all that mattered was "the last few months". so when you want to know when aws the last time you made a mistake, you don't go any furhter back than "the last few months", but if you want to know when I didn't admit I was wrong, you go back to years ago. IN THE SAME POST.To which I replied this, because you were involving the Yun case directly with me saying, ‘pay attention to the last few months,’ when I was clearly making separate points. As in why I replied with this:
So, who's fucking up the order of events ?
What the fuck are you talking about.In other words. STOP YOUR FUCKING BULL SHIT!!!
This isn't fucking up the order of events. This is, me using all of the clearest examples of you being wrong and not admitting it. BTW, way to totally ignored the fact that I use the word "second" and started a new paragraph, implying I'm making a new point... idiot
Here'es the quote:Stop fucking shit up BYAKKO.I am aware that I talk like a jerk and that I'm too straightforward to be polite. You don't even realize that you're the one misinterpreting what you're told. And you don't even question yourself about that even though the same thing happens all the time.What the hell Byakko. Of course I question myself, which is the reason why I APOLOGIZE TO PEOPLE. I have made genuine apologies before, as well as false ones for teh sake of ending drama. I have admitted to having a language problem, and I admit when I'm wrong. Tell me, Byakko, why is it that for the past few months, a conversation like this hasn't come up?QuoteIs that right?No.
Second lets go through you. Since my time here I HAVE NEVER seen you admit to being wrong. Not even when i explained to you that I wasn't the AI coder for Yun or Kim; you could have looked, its not hard, but no; I took the road of ending the drama and said it was 'my mistake' even though I just thought you were being blindly accusitory and lazy.
Tell me Byakko, I want you to analyze your old sig for everyone to see. It prettuy much sums up that you never look at yourself.
When did I ignore it. Give me the proof. You might have said something like, ‘he deserved it.’ Which I’m saying is complete shit, because somehow (gee I wonder why) you come across as if you’ve come to think of yourself as superior to everyone and you’re not. Who the hell are you to decide that “I” deserved it. Who the hell are you to decide when people, besides me deserve it (like your “Anna Willams rant.” You are LOW for that one Byakko. Just plain overreacting and low.)QuoteStop fucking shit up BYAKKO.Then stop fucking shit up, HJK. By the way, I see how you ask me questions about why I do this and that and then ignore it when I reply. Nice move !
Oh, and it's amazing that you've kept yelling that I'm insulting you, yet ever since the second page of this topic, you've swung FAR MORE shit, insults and accusations about me being wrong than I did. You lying, irresponsible piece of shit.Oh right Byakko :laugh4:
Also don't worry folks, I can keep going all year long. Keeping true to my old signature, you know.
edit - d'oh, I forgot about the size ta- oh whatever.
Well I didn't read the spolier, but I gotta say, the summaries weren't as biased as I thought they would be.tl:drPerfect timing for a summary and putting all the cards back into play.
What was the original reason for this discussion?
So, I pointed out that hjk was not explaining himself properly as usual, except I did so with all the tact you can see I have (I swear I can be very tactful when the situation deserves tact). He flipped out, because he didn't like the insult. Which would have been fair enough...
... If he hadn't reacted the way he did, to later bring up an old misunderstanding from two older cases. Namely...Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Walt, Baiken doesn't "think people will not react negatively to direct insults:"Thank You. But I'm going to end up replying to you later in my posts.He flipped out, because he didn't like the insult. Which would have been fair enough...Emphasis mine.
It's "fair enough" as in ... cause => effect. But is it desirable? ... is it acceptable?Amen. Fully Agreed.
I'm asking you Sepp, do we have any rules about such flagrant form of disrespect? Will those be enforced by you, the only apparent person with a non-biased opinion on B's behavior ?
Really, Byakko, come now. Your post after the deleted one, sounded just too plain ridiculous. I admit taht i just thought you were trying to hammer me instead of just saying you made a mistake. And in all fairness, the post I'm addressing seemed like the first sign of post escalation.what makes you think people will not react negatively to direct insults?As Sepp replied ; I actually would have apologized if he had just said it. And yes, it has happened before, a few times (me throwing an insult, the guy saying that was uncalled for/unnecessary/getting angry/whatever, me apologizing). But hjk's shit is not such a case where he was rightful to get angry the way he did.
Explain to me why, I deserved it. Because you interpretted my post to Cyanide in a way I didn't intend. Who cares whether 'hehee, taht's the common way it is on the Internet." You flat out said I was yelling and I wasn't. You could have asked. I would have asked... o_OQuoteBut is it desirable? ... is it acceptable?In a forum ? No. I did mention, though, that I didn't care ; because I do think he deserves it. And if he deserves it, that's enough of a reason for me to say it. Regardless of what you (I mean you generally, not you waltari) may think of it. And I also believe this reason can overrule the previous. In society, maybe not, but from person to person, it does.
This is hilarious. Why can't you people just let go of internet grudges and chill out. If you have troubling chilling out, they have Weed if you really need it.I tried *posted my proof posts withing this reply,* but it didn't quite work out.
Trying to identify root cause to see what can be done! Currently arriving atSepp, I thought you were smarter than this as it concerned me. I was joking. Im not stupid enough to post something like that, that completely undermines my point... gosh... siwwy :-**I'm really insecure... on the internet [size=5pt]maybe in RL as well :-\[/size]+ (note the date)
Ah, Sepp, you'd be very dangerous in a debate (unlike Byakko). Your thoughts tend to be coherent (I say tend because I assumed everyone would know I was joking in the first quote you posted) but let me explain this.All done. Even though! Teehee has something slightly unnerving from time to time.There is something stlightly unnervinng about me even to myself I admit. I have been trying to control myself through either making disturbing 'funnyish' posts, or else by hinting at certain things I have a problem with. It stems from some serious family strains.
I actually was hoping to patch a few things up that were left unfinished here on the forum. I have already made peace with many other "old chums" but I'll have to see how the other things turn out as well.
It might be desirable and acceptable to some small extent (predator prey feedback cycle), but I'm very biased: hjk is unnerving me (see old quote above) and I appreciate Byakko.Somehow, I expected that. I think you should read the entire topic. Somehow, I think Byakko's history vs. my History speak for themselves, but yet I am biased as well.
3 replys full of B^U.What's B^U?
My head just expolded.
Wall of text comic maker. Honestly, I didn't think you would of had it in you to reply with huge post like that x3.I'm not proud of it, I'll tell ya that. I'm just not taking it this time.
Sometimes I wonder why the 'enemy' RSers keep staying here, while simulataneously insulting the Forum so much?Ahahah it's almost like you WANT to start trouble.
'enemy' RSers keep staying hereI realise thats in quotes and how some people may see it but it doesn't really reflect the view of the staff. We may have our differences with some of these people, but we'd have those differences whether they had their own seperate forum or not.
Lowercase the "WANT" :P.Sometimes I wonder why the 'enemy' RSers keep staying here, while simulataneously insulting the Forum so much?Ahahah it's almost like you WANT to start trouble.
Don't ask questions unless you're sure you want the answers.
Meh, I just thought these things could stay differences instead of arguments. This stuff flares up a lot as far as I remember so I just thought why not just split :-\?Quote'enemy' RSers keep staying hereI realise thats in quotes and how some people may see it but it doesn't really reflect the view of the staff. We may have our differences with some of these people, but we'd have those differences whether they had their own seperate forum or not.
Ahahah it's almost like you WANT to start trouble.
Don't ask questions unless you're sure you want the answers.
CIVIL WARYou've had arguments over and over with the mods here?
I'M WITH RS GUYS
CIVIL WARCAP WAS RIGHT :bigcry:
I'M WITH RS GUYS
that the unavoidable conclusion from your posts was that I was your [AI Coder]You still don't understand that it never mattered. Plus it wasn't even you, so what the hell do you care ? What I said was still true, since the identity of whoever did it was irrelevant in my reasoning.
Wait, you admitted something?? Holy Crap, WHERE, i wanna see.You what ? You're the one who always parading about how you "tricked" me into admitting whatever conclusion you wanted me to reach.
You may not have meant to say that i was your [AI Coder], buuuuuut ya didNo since it was irrelevant and not the point of what I was saying. The point was that the AI coder was the source of the problem, what's wrong if it wasn't you ? You're the one who wanted desperately to make me admit it could only have been you (even though it wasn't). And you really, really don't want to understand that it never even mattered in what I was saying. You rather get pissy about how you figured it was aimed at you, even after I tell you the point wasn't to accuse you of anything.
What really urks me, is how you completely avoid saying 'you made a mistake.'On that ? I didn't. Someone made an AI, the AI was an unauthorized patch, it got leaked, so the AI coder is somehow the source of the leak. Is it right or wrong ? That's the only thing I was saying. You're the one who pointed out that it could only have been you I was talking about, even though it DIDN'T MATTER. You're insisting on something that never was what I talked about.
And you did keep insisting that I was the one who coded Kim and Yun.No I didn't. Why would I even insist it was you if you said it wasn't ?
because I NEVER SAID IT WAS ME. I said, 'what did you say my role was in this post?'Oh sure, I'm speaking about someone else, you barge in and ask me what I just said you did, THUS ACTING LIKE YOU IDENTIFIED YOURSELF WITH THE ONE I WAS SPEAKING ABOUT.
that you weren't saying it was me, BUT INSTEAD, you replied using me synonymously with your [AI Coder]You're paranoid. If I spoke about the AI coder, why would you ask me what I said you did ?
You lying little punk. No, you manipulated the order as you always do
PROVE IT.Will do right away sir !
The issue is that you jumped in posting irrelevant shit, and insulting me, when it was unneeded, and uncalled for.I jumped it when it was unneeded, which is the reason I deleted my post to begin with. What I said was still true, and you didn't like it. The first post that I left was saying that you explained yourself improperly, mislabeling things and writing as if you ere yelling. This was true. On your post immediately after, you go and say I barge in, going "on an insulting spree". Right, I say jackass, it's an insulting spree. This is this (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678849#msg678849) post. Your first reply to me (minus the one you deleted after I deleted mine).
but then you come back swinging at me, and that's what started this argument.Hrm ! I wonder how come you're only posting your own posts ! Could it be because you're the one who started going Spartan on me ? Just because I pointed out you sounded like a jackass, which was confirmed by everyone else ?
Quoting these two posts for truth. FOR TRUTH:
Your post after the deleted one, sounded just too plain ridiculous.Certainly, all my posts at this point were to explain how you came across as yelling (which was, again, confirmed by everyone and your God), but now they "sounded just too plain ridiculous". Even though you admitted yourself that I was right all along in saying you looked like a yelling jackass ?
my language was fine, and I said exactly what I wanted toUrgh. What ? You admitted sometime earlier that you mislabeled something as a glitch, and that what you replied to Cyanide looked like you were yelling. Now you say that this was exactly what you wanted to say. OH CONTRADICTION, WHAT GIVES ?
because somehow (gee I wonder why) you come across as if you’ve come to think of yourself as superiorHm what ? I'm saying you're a moron who can't explain himself properly and can't understand people properly. I say I decide what I say. I don't even know where I'm saying I'm superior to everyone else. I just don't care about what certain other people think. I simply think you're a moron.
Who the hell are you to decide when people, besides me deserve it
Explain to me why, I deserved it.Uh. Other people have agreed that you deserve it, and other people have confirmed that you came across as a jackass.
You flat out said I was yellingI said
you're really a goddamn jackass to write like you did in your previous postin my very first post, and in the second, I say
You're still a goddamn jackassThis
Yeah, and you were "yelling" at him even when it wasn't your place. You're a jackass.is what you're talking about, right ? So, was it wrong ? I explained that the caps changing and all made you look like you were yelling. You accepted that. Was it wrong ?
And in all fairness, the post I'm addressing seemed like the first sign of post escalation.This is exactly what I'm saying, and it's exactly what I said back then. Now that we both agree on that, I don't know what else there is to say.
Warning - while you were typing 13 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.OOOOOHHH SCREW YOU ALL .\/.
i hope it feels good to be right. there's nothing more exhilarating that pointing out the shortcomings of others.provided by #Shaun
EDTI: Relevant QuoteI like "learning" and "understanding" more. Though this is indeed related when the others don't learn or understand - I want them to learn and understand too. (I don't really mind about being the one explaining, I think my identity shouldn't matter, I just want knowledge for everyone)Quotei hope it feels good to be right. there's nothing more exhilarating that pointing out the shortcomings of others.
HjK reminds me of a slightly smarter Supa.Nah, both are different kinds of stupid.
I was saying that it's stupid to be arguing and trying to prove yourself right, especially since there's really nothing at stake here other than a bruised ego.It's fun. And I just said that it wasn't about ego, but about knowledge. It bothers me when hjk still believes that he was being accused way back in the Yun argument. It's not about "me proving him wrong" it's about "him understanding he wasn't being targeted".
Like how you could be nicer in having KFM stop metaphoring at you ?
I was saying that it's stupid to be arguing and trying to prove yourself right, especially since there's really nothing at stake here other than a bruised ego.It's fun. And I just said that it wasn't about ego, but about ostracisizing the opponent's point of view by asserting and articulating well-said arguments in a way that forces the opponent to have a need to continuously come back and prove theirselves, knowing that in the end they'll fail. Remember, it's not about who's actually right or wrong, but who can argue better.
Nah, both are different kinds of stupid.I dunno, HJK has that whole innocent stupid thing too. Though a different type of Innocent stupid, so...
@Rob: Difference between the two is I can find Supa likable sometimes when I overlook the blackmail shit.Nah, stupid people isn't likeable.
I was saying that it's stupid to be arguing and trying to prove yourself right, especially since there's really nothing at stake here other than a bruised ego.It's fun. And I just said that it wasn't about ego, but about knowledge. It bothers me when hjk still believes that he was being accused way back in the Yun argument. It's not about "me proving him wrong" it's about "him understanding he wasn't being targeted".
@Rob: Difference between the two is I can find Supa likable sometimes when I overlook the blackmail shit.I can't see how you find Supa likable. At all. HJK at the very least goes away when he knows he's not wanted.
What i'm saying Byakko, is with your talk about how good you are at English, and how you come off as if you are 'perfect,' I am presenting to you cases where you misspoke, and how you've refused to admit it. I care little for the time (which you've blown out of proportion), but instead, I just want to see whether you'll come to the realization that you are not ALWAYS right, especially not in the situations I'm presenting.Quotethat the unavoidable conclusion from your posts was that I was your [AI Coder]You still don't understand that it never mattered. Plus it wasn't even you, so what the hell do you care ? What I said was still true, since the identity of whoever did it was irrelevant in my reasoning.
Wait, wait, what? I replied to you with the question you quoted because you said this:QuoteWait, you admitted something?? Holy Crap, WHERE, i wanna see.You what ? You're the one who always parading about how you "tricked" me into admitting whatever conclusion you wanted me to reach.
I may have taken your, "admitted" (your quoted admitted) too seriously there. Holy crap, I admitted that I made an error.QuoteSpecifically, your [AI Coder] culd not have been a general person, the [AI coder] in your post was synonymous with me (hjk)*This is your conclusion. I pointed out several times that I didn't give a damn about who did it. It's the reason I never named you directly. You felt targeted for some reason. I "admitted" whatever you want because you brought your own conclusion that "the AI coder" could only be you, even though it was totally irrelevant.
Byakko, No. That is not what I'm trying to get you to say. AS stated above, I'm just trying to show you that there are times that you had not spoken clearly (or just not known what you said, and why it oobviously coud be taken another way) resulting in conflict. In those conflicts, you prance around telling other people to learn English, when you yourself have made mistakes, and/or, are negligent while posting; same as me sometimes, and yes, I am admitting that, but HERE , "IN THIS CASE" (for specification), that is not what happened. My reason for this is because I think you could avoid a lot more arguments that way, if you only realized that you're not immune to making mistakes. *And if need be, I'll keep Yun (and Kim) in your mind for as long as it takes you to realize that and 'post' as if you know it.*QuoteYou may not have meant to say that i was your [AI Coder], buuuuuut ya didNo since it was irrelevant and not the point of what I was saying. The point was that the AI coder was the source of the problem, what's wrong if it wasn't you ? You're the one who wanted desperately to make me admit it could only have been you (even though it wasn't). And you really, really don't want to understand that it never even mattered in what I was saying. You rather get pissy about how you figured it was aimed at you, even after I tell you the point wasn't to accuse you of anything.
How, I so wish I still had the quotes. How I so WISH I HAD THE QUOTES.QuoteAnd you did keep insisting that I was the one who coded Kim and Yun.No I didn't. Why would I even insist it was you if you said it wasn't ?
I am telling you to be more careful. I am telling you to pay closer attention to what it is teh other person is saying, and follow their measures of consistency. In all honesty, I was hoping, that if you possibly would fee, that I was confessing to being the [AI-Coder]/Distributor, why you wouldn't have asked, “Why do you say now that you’re the [AI Coder] when all of the time you’ve argued against that.'Quotebecause I NEVER SAID IT WAS ME. I said, 'what did you say my role was in this post?'Oh sure, I'm speaking about someone else, you barge in and ask me what I just said you did, THUS ACTING LIKE YOU IDENTIFIED YOURSELF WITH THE ONE I WAS SPEAKING ABOUT.Quotethat you weren't saying it was me, BUT INSTEAD, you replied using me synonymously with your [AI Coder]You're paranoid. If I spoke about the AI coder, why would you ask me what I said you did ?
OK, let me cut taht off right here with you and your crap. Don't even fuck like this was the beginning because it wasn't.QuoteYou lying little punk. No, you manipulated the order as you always doQuotePROVE IT.Will do right away sir !
First post from me here, first page :
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678847#msg678847
I say that once again, you didn't explain yourself properly. I say you write like a jackass.
Well obviously you missed the part where it's flat-out written in the common1.cns and called it a glitch anyway !
OMG Byakko, did you read that. I'm not calling that a glitch, I switched what I was talking about.
Try reading ::)
I said, you misidentified the situation. I have said, over and over again that I POSTED EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT, it is just that in the original post I labeled teh thing as a "wake-up" glitch, when it was a "general" glitch. In my next post, BEFORE YOU EVEN GOT INTO THE DISCUSSION, I said I made a mistake in the previous post and corrected that. I left the previous post as it was, so it wouldn't screw up any onreader's understanding of what went on, if they even found it more important. It was you that came in with a wrong post (as quoted above), which you deleted after my reply to you, and I immediately followed, in an effort to avoid drama. I sent you a PM to reveal to you that i as well deleted my post, because I knew that the situation wouyld explode, but what is sad is that you saw the PM, then posted an irrelevant and insulting message, which started the whole event.QuoteYou lying little punk. No, you manipulated the order as you always doQuotePROVE IT.Will do right away sir !
First post from me here, first page :
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678847#msg678847
I say that once again, you didn't explain yourself properly. I say you write like a jackass.
the post right after, is you :Byakko, No. I have said, time and time again, throughout this thread, that HERE, the situation was not that I was not explaining myself properly, but instead that, I DID explain myself properly (my language was appropriate, my text was clear, I said exactly what I meant), but even though I did say exactly what I wanted to say, my mistake was labeling something one way, before reviewing my video, but I highlighted that in my next piost, BEFORE YOU EVEN ENTERED THE DISCUSSION, which brings us to your first reply (which you deleted) which was irrelevant AND wrong. Your second reply equates this situation, with what normally used to happen, and Im simply saying that you are wrong to do that, because I have spoken clearly (I have correctly posted what I meant) in this thread, whereas in teh past, I commonly meant one thing, and my post made it seem like I meant another. Again, I am saying this situation, is not the equivalent of the past.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678849#msg678849
You yell at me for throwing insults. Cool, I say jackass, you speak about how I go on an insulting spree.
Then me :
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678850#msg678850
Where I explain that what I said was true about how you didn't explain yourself properly. I repeat that you posted like a jakass, second insult from me.
Then thisExlpained just above.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678856#msg678856
Saying that you're the one who made a mistake to begin with.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678861#msg678861Yes, indeed I did. What I mean by that is, stop being so hasty and read my posts befre you reply (I.E. the situation with the post you deleted). At the same time, I mean that you need to stop throwing out blatant insults at people for no reason, and just post directly on 'point.'
Here you say your first reply to Cyanide really wasn't offensive. You start ranting about calming "my ass down" and what "the fuck" I am talking about.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678863#msg678863What the hel are you talking about :P
I again blame your inability to explain yourself properly, which is still true since your initial reply to Cyanide did come across as yelling. Confirmed by several people including your God, and then accepted by yourself. So I'm still right. My insult count is still at two, calling you a jackass.
My post was simply to clarify that I do read.You said:
Yeah, and you were "yelling" at him even when it wasn't your place. You're a jackass.(You said, I was yelling without even considering the possibility that I may not have been. The point still stands, you could have asked; I mean I call Cyanide my God Right, obviously I have too much respect for him to yell).
Who the hell are you to decide whether I am yelling at him or not. I call Cyanide MY GOD for Christ's sake. I LIKE Cyanide, jackass. I wouldn't yell at him. Stop subjecting me to your own interpretations, and CALM YOUR ASS DOWN. Stop being so god damn hasty.You said (you edited this while I made my next reply):
so like I said, again, I blame your incompetence in writing properly. Can you just get back the previous page and look at your reply to Cyanide ? Now explain the font size change and caps lock everywhere. In case you don't know, that's the writing equivalent of yelling. Like you're currently doing at me. And I repeat, don't blame others for your failure at writing properly. You do that all the fucking time. And you wonder why I barge in..."Failure at writing properly" Byakko, I was clarifying for Cyanide, and PotS as it were, and you know what, for anyone else reading this topic, that these were the reasons I call the things glitches, so I increased the size of my text to make the post less likely to be overlooked. You said to me, that I was yelling and made a singular interpretation of the thing. As you accepted without me having to explain, increasing text size can have more than one purpose. It can convey yelling, it can be used for emphasis, it can simply be used in order to prevent anyone from missing it, etc. as in what you said when increasing your text size here:
I'll start writing in big, maybe you'll see.(I don't recall telling you before that that was my motive. You made that brilliant deduction on your own as I expected you to eventually)
I purposely left out, that I did it so it could be SEEN, because I knew you'd come to realize that evenually, not necessarily because I've 'analyzed' you, but because I know you've seen big text in this context before and it's only a natural thought thought you could subject it to more than a single interpretation IMO.Oh so me changing my Font Size is yelling now? As I said, who the Fuck are you to determine whetehr I'm yelling or not?QuoteI wouldn't yell at him.so like I said, again, I blame your incompetence in writing properly. Can you just get back the previous page and look at your reply to Cyanide ? Now explain the font size change everywhere. I'm waiting.
I changed my Font Size for simple emphasis, like all of teh other things I've done (colors, txt, etc.). Oh wait Jango and Walt, where are you? please inform Byakko here of how much I like to change my writing.
Byakko, maybe this is something YOU would start drama over, BUT NOT ME. Let me rephrase that, I AM NOTHING LIKE YOU!!! I'm not yelling at Cyanide; why would I take offense at something so damn minor. Again Byakko, you and I are very different people, so don't you dare tell me who I am, got it.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678866#msg678866Good you say NOW, after I explained to yiou my intentions, that it 'came across' as yelling, but in this reply, you say Flat Out, that I was yelling, when I wasn't not even considering the other reason for increasing text size, which were perfectly legitimate interpretations in context (again reposted):
You throw the blame on me for starting the drama despite being the one who did what came across as yelling, asking who "the fuck" I am.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678868#msg678868
My explanation about how it came out as yelling even if you didn't think it would. Insult count hasn't changed.
QuoteMy post was simply to clarify that I do read.Yeah, and you were "yelling" at him even when it wasn't your place. You're a jackass.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678873#msg678873Yes, and I "admitted" being wrong on that, unlike you who has refused to admit you were wrng in interpreting my post to Cyanide.
Yoouuuu... say no. Also I'm a complete and total joke. You call me out on my old signature, which will later result in me proving to you that you missed the point of what you were reading, when you misunderstood the meaning of said signature.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678874#msg678874On the place where I said you were the insulting spee king. You 'start' by insulting. I hold them for later, but yeah, I'll agree, you've probably proven that I have launched more insults, but my point is taht you always... wups, you know what, you 'tend' to start off your posts with a flurry of insults, that.
I explain again I'm talking about how you came across as a yelling jackass. Insult count not moving. Weird, I thought I was the master at insult spree.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678880#msg678880That's because you had a three hit combo of stupid.
You go on about how me calling you a jackass was insulting (cool, because that was the point of calling you a jackass) and denying the reason I called you a jackass.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678883#msg678883
I explain why I called you a jackass.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678889#msg678889
You... Deny again, claiming i didn't read your post properly, even though I was right in saying you came across as a jackass by typing like you were yelling at Cyanide. Which, I repeat, was confirmed and which you later accepted.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678892#msg678892
I explain again how your post looked like.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678913#msg678913
You deny again and say you really weren't yelling. Ah, you even claim I contradict myself. For some reason. I don't know why.
Some more about how I say you looked like you were yelling to Cyanide, and you denying you did.
Then, a bunch of people confirm that you looked like you were yelling at Cyanide.They can confirm that I 'loked like' I was yelling at Cyanide. Again it was WHAT YOU SAID, taht I'm arguing about. You said, plain as day, taht I yelled at Cyanide; no 'looked like,' no 'seem', you just plain said it:
Reaching the third page... Yeah, I'll do them all...
QuoteMy post was simply to clarify that I do read.Yeah, and you were "yelling" at him even when it wasn't your place. You're a jackass.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg679724#msg679724What are you talking about. I was being specifc toward the time where it became evident that I really did make a change. I was making the point that you have remained static for years and never admit anything. Your time frame is ridiculous mind you. Check the top of this post to see how WRONG you were, you didn’t even think to check my prfile.
Here I explain again that I'm still talking about how you explain yourself badly and how you look like a jackass.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg679761#msg679761
Aaah there it is. First you say my first reply was wrong (it wasn't, you did explain yourself improperly). Then... You say that, some 4~5 years ago, I didn't admit I was wrong either (good thing since I really wasn't), you bring up the thing about Kim and Yun ; and just after that, you say that the time scale to judge you was that in the last months, you didn't make any fuss.
After that, the discussion goes back to... how you really were a moron already back some 4~5 years ago, and how you're holding a grudge over something you still haven't understood. Oh, and "making a separate point" is irrelevant : according to you, in my case we should go back to 5 years ago when I didn't admit I was wrong, but in your case we just have to look at the last few months. Separate points ? What the hell do I care if it's not the same point ? what I say is still true.
So, at this point, it is correct to point out I have been saying the same thing over and again, that you explain yourself badly and you understand people incorrectly. I was proved right, and you kept denying it. You made a mistake, you get corrected and you insult me ; but oh, I'm a "full of crap" even though as I just demonstrated, I was correct.I get corrected. I corrected myself before your irrelevant, wrong post (you ahd to delete) you keep neglecting to mention whenever you post the order of events, so you can manipulate the facts.
HjK reminds me of a slightly smarter Supa.Who's Supa.
Honest to God, I tryed reading it. What the fuck just happened? :SReading it is the wrong thing to do, you just read the little comments that non-Byakko or HJK people make.
I go away when I deem something useless. Or else when i know taht I'm wrong in which case I apologize and go away, unlke Mr. Man.@Rob: Difference between the two is I can find Supa likable sometimes when I overlook the blackmail shit.I can't see how you find Supa likable. At all. HJK at the very least goes away when he knows he's not wanted.
So you're basically saying that we should try not to use any of our moderation powers, not to delete, edit and lock things?? Yeah that's exactly it. They're only secondary options, fallbacks.
Shaun, being Gmod is not about deleting posts in a topic like this one ! >:(
Mr. Scruffy said:(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3503/dutycallsmo1.png)[watari said:]What? Someone is wrong on the internet?
he misunderstood my post, he's not reading it thoroughly.
I know I was clear and I must proove he's reading it wrong.
I am presenting to you cases where you misspokeuou are presenting cases where you didn't understand what I was talking about. Hey, I'm pretty sure something very similar has happened recently... Like how you wrote in a way that seemed as if you were yelling, and how yuo completely misunderstood my old signature. Between the two of us, who has a problem in communication (both ways) ?
I just want to see whether you'll come to the realization that you are not ALWAYS rightI never said I'm always right. I'm wrong fairly often. Just that here, I'm right and you don't get that you misunderstood what happened back then.
Who besides me, hjk, had asked the representative of the Creator, if he could release the AI Patch… there was absolutely no one else who took the actionBut if you weren't the AI coder, why the hell would you care ?? You can't be telling me that you cared because you were the one who asked, even though I've always been speaking about the one who made the patch ? It's the same as with Kim, the guy who made the patch was supposed to know that KFM refused, and the patch still got leaked. Whoever actually spoke with KFM and whoever made the patch is irrelevant, I was saying that the AI coder was supposed to know about it.
no matter what you say, it could only have been ME.Even though I spoke about the guy who made the patch and you weren't that person, that makes no sense.
the creator say No to… ME, hjk.And thus the guy who made the patch was supposed to know about it. When I said that the AI coder asked about releasing the patch, it didn't have to be a direct discussion, how would I know about it. When I said "the AI coder knew KFM refused and the patch was still leaked", this was true and this was the point of my explanation. I've told you times and times again that I didn't care who made the patching and who made the asking. You never replied, why do you think I always spoke about "the AI coder" without using your name ? If I avoided using your name, it was precisely to avoid accusing you. You're the one who WRONGLY concluded that I could only have been speaking about you, when I clearly spoke about the AI coder and whoever it was was irrelevant. How is it my fault if you thought "the AI coder" meant you ? You want me to tell you that I'm sorry if you didn't undesrtand it properly ?
“the[AI Coder] distributed the Patch anyway.” And I’ve explained to you on how many levels you got the facts wrongWhat now ? The patch got leaked, so how is it wrong to say that the AI coder passed it around ? How could anyone have the patch if the one who made it didn't pass it around ?? You're going to point out that it wasn't you,; but whoever it was was never an important point of what I was saying. It's the very reason I kept speaking about "the AI coder" without saying "hjk did it" !!
AS stated above, I'm just trying to show you that there are times that you had not spoken (or just not known what you said, and why it oobviously coud be taken another way) clearly resulting in conflict.And as I replied above, you're the one with a history of not speaking properly and not understanding properly. Hey, it couldn't be that you're the one who misunderstood what I said back there too, could it ??
I think you could avoid a lot more arguments that way, if you only realized that you're not immune to making mistakes.No. We could avoid a lot of arguments if I wasn't a jerk, we could avoid a lot of arguments if you weren't a jackass. I'm definitely not immune to making mistakes, I do enough mistakes to be ashamed of myself. But this isn't the case, and you don't understand that you felt you were aggressed back then.
How, I so wish I still had the quotes. How I so WISH I HAD THE QUOTES.So do I.
I am telling you to pay closer attention to what it is teh other person is sayingClean your own house before coming at me, thank you. This discussion here started when you posted like you were yelling and you didn't even realize it, afterall.
Don't even fuck like this was the beginning because it wasn't.Uh, it was. The post I deleted, you replied to it, then you deleted your reply, and it was fine. I reposted the same thing.
Well obviously you missed the part where it's flat-out written in the common1.cns and called it a glitch anyway !Well, did you or did you not call it a glitch ? And you corrected yourself afterward. You say you switched it around, so yo did call it a glitch at first, didn't you ? The post Cyanide replied to. When Cyanide told you to stop talking about glitches. Did you or did you not call it a glitch ? You corrected yourself right afterward.
HERE, the situation was not that I was not explaining myself properlyUh ! You've said yourtself that you mislabeled te thing as a glitch. You corrected yourself afterward. How is that not explaining yourself properly ?
I said exactly what I meantI repeat : you called it a glitch, you corrected yourself, you posted in a way that was seen as if you were yelling. So you posted exactly what you meant ? So when you looked like you were yelling, that's really what you meant ?
You could have asked, and I would have clarifiedYeah, I thought you were yelling, because you looked like you were yelling. Everybody else thought you were yelling, even your God. Why am I not allowed to think you were yelling ?
"Failure at writing properly" Byakko, I was clarifying for Cyanide, and PotS as it were, and you know what, for anyone else reading this topic, that these were the reasons I call the things glitches, so I increased the size of my text to make the post less likely to be overlooked.Aaaand it came across as yelling, as confirmed by everyone else and later admitted by yourself, so you did explain yourself improperly.
but in this reply, you say Flat Out, that I was yellingBecause, like everyone else, I thought you were. Because you explained yourself improperly. You weren't yelling, and it came across as yelling, because you explained yourself improperly.
1 - You didnt read and made an irrelevant and wrong post- I read your post and what I said was still true, you didn't explain yourself properly when you called it a glitch. You corrected yourself afterward, thus confirming that you did mislabel something. How was it wrong ? You keep calling my first post irrelevant and wrong, evn though you had just said that you mislabeled what it was. You're incredible.
2 - You made a bad interpretation.
3 - You equated this situation with the usual and it wasn't (I've explained that too many times).
I'm not that cut and dry/obvious of a person. Don't take my words too literally, especially when I change font sizee to make it smaller and still visible, and add a smiley.
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Your thoughts tend to be coherent (I say tend because I assumed everyone would know I was joking in the first quote you posted) but let me explain this.
Really, I was partly joking, and partly posting what I thought you wanted to hear. At that point, as mentioned in this thread, i was simply trying to keep out of arguments and not offend anyone. I WOULD NEVER post about family strains in a serious tone, because, just as you have shown here, people tend to take that and smother every post you make with it (and this can create some 'foolish [IMO] Bias.'
Is it not possible that you might simply be communicating in some rather uniqure or at least unusal way that's different enough from the norm to make people often mistake your meaning and lose themselves in your lengthy posts?I've already accepted that, but, I really think you should pat attention to my posts about Byakko, saying outright that, 'hjk was yelling,' when I wasn't. He didn't say it looked like I was yelling, he didn't say it seemed like I was yelling, he said, 'hjk was yelling.' Now, there are other reasons for why people post in large text, as I said as in to have their posts noticed (even Byakko himself said that), or else to emphasize a point. There are probably more, but the fact still remians there is more than one logical interpretation of my initial post, and Byakko only went for one which hapen to be the most negative [one that I could think of].
"Your thoughts tend to be coherent (I say tend because I assumed everyone would know I was joking in the first quote you posted)"Such a beautiful post. Sepp, I'll tell you this, I've always known coherent to mean, "logical," because I had to look it up (either in a thesaurus or a dictionary, more likely in a thesaurus) after a teacher said it, and I saw the word "logical" as its meaning. Although I have to admit that I never would have suspected that the thing meant, "logical organization" I will admit that this is my fault for not doing more to find its true definition.
Coming from any random dude, I would read this to mean:
Your thoughts = posts
coherent = clear and understandable
tend to = but not in the case I am now elaborating on
Translated, it seems to me that you are saying I tend to post in a clear and understandable manner, but since I mistook your statements my post was unclear and incomprehensible.
This raises all sorts of hairs on me. Arguing from a false base renders the argument invalid---it does not make the argument or the way it is presented unclear and incomprehensible, as it would seem you are implying.
What you seem to be implying seems only nonsensical to me.
If I guess at your true meaning, and assume you chose "coherent" when you really meant something else, I still don't know what to do with those parts of your post.
They seem to be entirely unnecessary to its statement:I cannot. I have explained what went on throughout this thread.
I was joking.
Three words. End of post. If you will allow for the possibility that you're expressing yourself queerer than the average user, would it not be to your advantage to reduce the word count of your posts? The longer you belabor a point badly, the more possibilities for misunderstanding you create---it takes work to figure out, "What could he have meant to say?"
More than two subsequent occurances of that in a post and the reader is likely to just give up putting the puzzle together. Me, I get unnerved and skip.
The thing is that NOW, you say that I 'seemed like' I was yellin, but you said in your initial post on that point (which I've reposted that like 20 times in this thread) that, "hjk was just yelling," no 'seemed like' or anything, and that is why I am saying you were wrong, because, I WAS NOT YELLING. I just wanted to create emphasis, and have my post be SEEN, which are two other reasons why people increase their text size (you yourself did it). You went for the bad one out of what could be many others.QuoteI am presenting to you cases where you misspokeuou are presenting cases where you didn't understand what I was talking about. Hey, I'm pretty sure something very similar has happened recently... Like how you wrote in a way that seemed as if you were yelling, and how yuo completely misunderstood my old signature. Between the two of us, who has a problem in communication (both ways) ?
Byakko, do I have to piece this puzzle together for you. I'm trying to keep my post shorter and see if you'll get the interpretations down on your own. My point is, you keep on insisting that you got the facts straight and you didnt. By saying, "In this case" you limited your how many topics you could have been talking about to "1" which was the particular case at hand. By making your post, the equivalent of KFM's, you furthered that interpretation of your post, except you changed the name hjk to [AI Coder]. That [AI Coder] 'coincidentally' made two of the same actions as "I" did, *Holy hell, no way.* You then went on to say after the representative iof the original creator said, No to the distribution, the [AI Coder], 'did it anyway.' I'm saying one, you should ahve separated your [Ai coder] into 3 people and not made him so 'coincidentally' similar to me. I'm also saying at teh same time that you didn't know teh details, because you made it seem like, "in this case" the [AI Coder] went against his word, and distributed the Patch when the Representative of the Creator said, No, when all that happened was a simple lapse in communication (oh someone will jump on 'that word'... in their mind).QuoteWho besides me, hjk, had asked the representative of the Creator, if he could release the AI Patch… there was absolutely no one else who took the actionBut if you weren't the AI coder, why the hell would you care ?? You can't be telling me that you cared because you were the one who asked, even though I've always been speaking about the one who made the patch ? It's the same as with Kim, the guy who made the patch was supposed to know that KFM refused, and the patch still got leaked. Whoever actually spoke with KFM and whoever made the patch is irrelevant, I was saying that the AI coder was supposed to know about it.
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And thus the guy who made the patch was supposed to know about it. When I said that the AI coder asked about releasing the patch, it didn't have to be a direct discussion, how would I know about it. When I said "the AI coder knew KFM refused and the patch was still leaked", this was true and this was the point of my explanation. I've told you times and times again that I didn't care who made the patching and who made the asking. You never replied, why do you think I always spoke about "the AI coder" without using your name ? If I avoided using your name, it was precisely to avoid accusing you. You're the one who WRONGLY concluded that I could only have been speaking about you, when I clearly spoke about the AI coder and whoever it was was irrelevant. How is it my fault if you thought "the AI coder" meant you ? You want me to tell you that I'm sorry if you didn't undesrtand it properly ?
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What now ? The patch got leaked, so how is it wrong to say that the AI coder passed it around ? How could anyone have the patch if the one who made it didn't pass it around ?? You're going to point out that it wasn't you,; but whoever it was was never an important point of what I was saying. It's the very reason I kept speaking about "the AI coder" without saying "hjk did it" !!
Yes, I do have that history, but I'm saying that that is not what happened here. I've explained it to you like 20 times Byakko.
And as I replied above, you're the one with a history of not speaking properly and not understanding properly. Hey, it couldn't be that you're the one who misunderstood what I said back there too, could it ??
I'm saying also that HERE, I felt "aggressed at." I'm saying HERE, I tried to keep the peace, thought the situation was over, and you still came back.QuoteI think you could avoid a lot more arguments that way, if you only realized that you're not immune to making mistakes.No. We could avoid a lot of arguments if I wasn't a jerk, we could avoid a lot of arguments if you weren't a jackass. I'm definitely not immune to making mistakes, I do enough mistakes to be ashamed of myself. But this isn't the case, and you don't understand that you felt you were aggressed back then.
:rofl:QuoteHow, I so wish I still had the quotes. How I so WISH I HAD THE QUOTES.So do I.
No. This discussion started when you decided I was yelling as opposed to coming up with the interpretation that I was just emphasizing my post and just wanting it to be SEEN. Let's post the history of the glitch thing again, because this is what always happens.QuoteI am telling you to pay closer attention to what it is teh other person is sayingClean your own house before coming at me, thank you. This discussion here started when you posted like you were yelling and you didn't even realize it, afterall.
Again, what I call glitches are not the result of me not reading, but instead me actually reading, plugging in my code, checking it over, and testing what happens against the words in the Docs. The misunderstanding comes where you all say I don't read and check over, when I do and have posted my code and had the same answer of, "hjk, what you have coded has no mistakes" said over and over again, and then I try to further my point. Call me arrogant, but I do blame bias, and I will try to get on making those vids, but somehow, I know that will spawn something new, which will drag on the discussion forever, and I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU GUYS THROUGH THAT, because you have better things to do tahn to deal with that.I have to add in more details, which I usually assume people will get on their own, but NO, people always post the obvious never realizing that I've already considered teh obvious and made sure that it can't be put on me, as in (why I post my percentages and the number of trials, why I post my methods of discovering the flaws, and WHY I subject my codes to scrutiny). I get annoyed because no matter what I say, people never want to go look for themselves using the methods I post. That is why I amde that post so big. Because I'm so tired of peole putting the obvious onto me, so I wanted them to come to the realization of just why I call them glitches. I don't want anyone to come and say that I'm being lazy and just can't accpet that I'm wrong, because I have already done exactly what they have, and I absolutely HATE it when others have the ability to tell me to read, so i prevent by doing just that, READING and going further and TESTING.
And about crying out "bug." Byakko, get your facts straight. I state what the bugs are and explain myself, I don't necessarily correct my posts more than I have to keep adding on to them in order to clarify what I mean.I left out a ton of irritating (specificaly 'to me') details, but I hope you understand why I am upset about it too.
Like the "random" bug:
- I stated it
- Then had to add in my trials and percentages
- Then had to post my code
- Then had to list the other creators I tested it with
- The had to say i'd make a vid (in which I've failed because I'm lazy)
The situation that you are talking about, 'mislabeling' never has occured with the 'bugs,' but instead occurs during general conversation, and I'm working at it, i.e. why no one has said anything to me about it for months.
NO YOU DIDN'T AND YOU KNOW YOU DIDN'T. The post that you deleted was not a big insult now was it? Then your second reply said I wasn't speaking clearly, when I was, and I had to explain to you, why I said, "I WAS SPEAKING CLEARLY" with the addition, again, of you insulting me.QuoteDon't even fuck like this was the beginning because it wasn't.Uh, it was. The post I deleted, you replied to it, then you deleted your reply, and it was fine. I reposted the same thing.
Byakko, are you actually reading the posts? I called teh situation a glitch, and I'm still calling teh thing a glitch. I said initially that it was a "wake-up glitch," which was wrong on my part, so I said, 'I incorrectly labeled it a "wake-up glitch," and changed that to a, "general recover glitch." Both these posts came before you even posted.QuoteWell obviously you missed the part where it's flat-out written in the common1.cns and called it a glitch anyway !Well, did you or did you not call it a glitch ? And you corrected yourself afterward. You say you switched it around, so yo did call it a glitch at first, didn't you ? The post Cyanide replied to. When Cyanide told you to stop talking about glitches. Did you or did you not call it a glitch ? You corrected yourself right afterward.
Addressed above. No really, something's wrong. You mayy not be reading my full posts, because this is not what I've said. I addressed the yelling thing in that long paragraph above as well.QuoteI said exactly what I meantI repeat : you called it a glitch, you corrected yourself, you posted in a way that was seen as if you were yelling. So you posted exactly what you meant ? So when you looked like you were yelling, that's really what you meant
Did you or did you not mislabel it ? Did you or did you not correct yourself ? Did you or did you not post in a way that made people think you were yelling ??
Byakko, the thing is you didn't say it, 'looked' like you were yelling. You said I WAS YELLING. You aren't even reading my posts. I've quoted you like 20 time on that, but sure i'll do it again:QuoteYou could have asked, and I would have clarifiedYeah, I thought you were yelling, because you looked like you were yelling. Everybody else thought you were yelling, even your God. Why am I not allowed to think you were yelling ?
Now I'll requote some replies I made to you when you brought in ridiculous points:QuoteMy post was simply to clarify that I do read.Yeah, and you were "yelling" at him even when it wasn't your place. You're a jackass.
No you freaking idiot. I agreed with Cyanide because he said,Spoiler, click to toggle visibiltyBlah blah blah, irrelevant. I've said that before. There's no reason for you to behave differently if it was me saying that, as long as it was true. Ignoring the "manipulating facts" and "talking for you" which is just plain retarded as we already went over that. And Cya-"your God"-nide and PotS agreed with the part where you did look like you were yelling. And that is your fault. Oh right, have you admitted that already ? I can't remember, with all the shitstorm tantrum fest you've been throwing. If you haven't aknowledged that it was your fault even after other people, including Your God, confirmed it, where's your improvement ?
Ah, found it. You agreed to it right after Cyanide confirmed it.
... Wait, if you agreed, why the hell are you still telling me about making assumptions on that ?? o_O OBJECTION ! CONTRADICTION. The suspect aknowledged it was his fault yet he still keeps attacking my client about it.increasing your text size "did come across" as shouting.He said it came across as shouting, unlike you who flat-out said:Yeah, and you were "yelling" at him even when it wasn't your place. You're a jackass.You straight out said, "you were 'yelling' at him." and were plain wrong. Do you see the difference. And tyhis is part of what I mean by you manipulating facts in order to make yourself look better.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678863#msg678863What the hel are you talking about :P
I again blame your inability to explain yourself properly, which is still true since your initial reply to Cyanide did come across as yelling. Confirmed by several people including your God, and then accepted by yourself. So I'm still right. My insult count is still at two, calling you a jackass.
My reply may have 'come across' as yelling, but you went right in swing saying that 'I did yell' instead of saying, 'it came across as if you were yelling.' You could have asked, and I would have clarified, but no, you as usual, made your interpretation LAW, and you were absolutely wrong for it. Let me clarify that agin, you FLAT OUT SAID I was yelling and I was 'NOT, meaning your interpretation of my post was WRONG.
Here is the order of the replies:Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Addressed above.Quote"Failure at writing properly" Byakko, I was clarifying for Cyanide, and PotS as it were, and you know what, for anyone else reading this topic, that these were the reasons I call the things glitches, so I increased the size of my text to make the post less likely to be overlooked.Aaaand it came across as yelling, as confirmed by everyone else and later admitted by yourself, so you did explain yourself improperly.
Then why didn't you just apologize for saying outright that I was yelling? Why din't you apologize for misinterpretting what i meant by increasing my text size? I explained why I posted in large text above in the long paragraph.Quotebut in this reply, you say Flat Out, that I was yellingBecause, like everyone else, I thought you were. Because you explained yourself improperly. You weren't yelling, and it came across as yelling, because you explained yourself improperly.
Uh... Wait, the only thing you want me to say is "your first reply at Cyanide was not yelling" ? Well that's pretty much a given after it was pointed out that you did look like you were but it was only because you didn't explain yourself properly. I've said myself several times that it was because you didn't explain yourself properly, thus obviously I did get that you really weren't yelling. Do you love so much stopping at things that have already been resolved and act as if they hadn't ?? Do you want me to say "I'm sorry for thinking you were yelling, even though everyone else thought the same, because you didn't explain yourself properly" ? So, I'm sorry for a mistake you made ?No Byakko. I'm saying you just need to ask, because you got the interpretation of why i posted in large text wrong. I'm gouing to go out on a limb here and equate this to me interpretting your sig. I apologized for it, why is it that you refuse to do so in this case?
This case is not the same as usual. PLEASE READ MY FULL POSTS.Quote1 - You didnt read and made an irrelevant and wrong post- I read your post and what I said was still true, you didn't explain yourself properly when you called it a glitch. You corrected yourself afterward, thus confirming that you did mislabel something. How was it wrong ? You keep calling my first post irrelevant and wrong, evn though you had just said that you mislabeled what it was. You're incredible.
2 - You made a bad interpretation.
3 - You equated this situation with the usual and it wasn't (I've explained that too many times).
- I made a bad interpretation, yeah, just like everyone else, because you didn't explain yourself properly.
- I equated your post with the previous case because you explained yourself improperly, so yes, it was the same as usual. It's the same as what Cyanide said when he told you he didn't want to hear about glitches this and that anymore.
I made a mistake in the number of years that happened between each incident, indeed. Wow boy, I WAS WRONG. Cool, if only that could be an important part that shattered the entirety of my reasoning about you not explaining yourself properly and not understanding others properly. Next.
What, there's no next ? Cool, this was getting tl;dr.
I'm reading some of these posts. Also, calling RS biased is like the Kettle calling the pot black, soo....I don't know how you did it, but you somehow said that without getting me upset at all. The thing about the grudge is that, I just want to show where language goes bad from both ends so he should stop using it.
Also, Supa's a naive kid who's pretty damn stupid, in a naive way. Your... kinda like him, except somewhat smarter, and somewhat more of a grudge holder.
Evil Momoko, aka Insanius, aka aokmaniac13.Thank You.
Hoshi. -_-Thanks You.
The Kettle (http://www.completeoutdoors.co.uk/images/239NS%20NON%20STICK%20CAMP%20KETTLE.jpg) calling the Pot (http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41AFB17NKQL.jpg) black is simple. They are both black so...I see. Funny thing is, we have silver things we call pots at my home so I didn't understand. My abd. :sugoi:
Btw, I'm part of the RS staff. Bias ball? :OI dunno. I mean calling me stupid before going through the full topic kinda seemed biased IMO.
I'm trying to keep my post shorter*choke* D'oh ! Looks like another point where you have some training to do ! Oh no, wait, you're cheating. Your posts are shorter individually, but now you post three times in a row ! That's the way to success.
The thing is that NOW, you say that I 'seemed like' I was yellin, but you said in your initial post on that point (which I've reposted that like 20 times in this thread) that, "hjk was just yelling," no 'seemed like' or anything, and that is why I am saying you were wrong, because, I WAS NOT YELLING.=>
Yeah, I thought you were yelling, because you looked like you were yelling. Everybody else thought you were yelling, even your God. Why am I not allowed to think you were yelling ?
My point is, you keep on insisting that you got the facts straight and you didnt.Mine is that you keep insisting that you got the fact straight and that I didn't, when you really didn't.
By saying, "In this case"Hi, you're a fucking moron. This has been addressed times and times again and you're just closing your ears because you don't want to hear it. Dipshit.
because you made it seem like, "in this case" the [AI Coder] went against his wordNo, I repeat, you didn't understand what I said properly (this sentence is getting old). Was it or was it not right to say that the coder passed it around ? Was it or was it not correct to say that he was repsonsible ?
because you made it seem likeNotice anything here ? Let me point it out :
because you made it seem likeSee that ?
SEEM LIKEOnce more for the fun of it :
SEEM LIKEOkay, what does that remind you of ? An assumption from your part. You assumed I meant "he went against his words". Did you or did you not ? Where have I heard that before ? Oh yeah, when you YELLED AT ME FOR
I tried to keep the peaceOH, WHAT A SUCCESS !
You're one funny guy.That makes one out of us.
I said that right here (in the quote) and IN THE ORIGNAL POST so people would stop telling me that I'm being lazy, and actually give consideration to what I'm saying because I have to go back and explain it, go back and explain it, and GO BACK AND EXPLAIN IT, and it kills me.Good, do it one more time, and keep doing so until you realize that you're focusing on the wrong thing.
why I said, "I WAS SPEAKING CLEARLY"OBVIOUSLY YOU DIDN'T SINCE EVERYONE ELSE ALSO THOUGHT YOU WERE YELLING.
Here are the posts where I EXPLAINED IT BYAKKOCool, but people still confirmed that you did look like you were yelling and you accepted it. So I don't know why you refuse to accept it now when I'm the one saying the same thing.
No really, something's wrong. You mayy not be reading my full posts, because this is not what I've said. I addressed the yelling thing in that long paragraph above as well.I think you have a problem in understanding what "not explaining yourself properly" means at all. YOU CAME ACROSS AS YELLING WHEN YOU WEREN'T AND YOU LABEL THINGS IMPROPERLY. That can be described as "not explaining yourself properly". Yet you say you posted exactly what you meant. So which is it, did you come across as yelling because you WANTED to look like you were yelling, or were you really not yelling ?
Byakko, the thing is you didn't say it, 'looked' like you were yelling. You said I WAS YELLING.You aren't even reading my posts.Obviously you didn't read the part where it was perfectly normal for me to think you were yelling when everyone else also thought you were. You want me to apologize for a mistake you made.
Then why didn't you just apologize for saying outright that I was yelling?Because you're the one who made a mistake by explaining yourself improperly. It's pretty normal of me to not understand you when you don't explain yourself properly. I believe Sepp just finished talking about that.
I'm saying you just need to askNo, why should I ask ? You're the one who post like you're yelling, of course I'll assume you are yelling. You want me to apologize for your mistakes.
Evil Momoko[/u] is WHO?_?You rang?
I dunno. I mean calling me stupid before going through the full topic kinda seemed biased IMO.
you guys are doing a great job calming the flame war down/not getting involved/letting them argue by themselves/whateverSmokey the Bear was bullshit and you know it.
general recover glitch.Not a glitch in mugen. It will be in that character. In fact, i'm tired of this. WHERE is that character and give me another one by a different author that does the same thing. If this is a glitch in mugen itself, it's one noone has found in 7 years and you, with your 2 years of experience has found it. I want to see it in action myself thanks.
OoooKaaayyyy?_?QuoteI'm trying to keep my post shorter*choke* D'oh ! Looks like another point where you have some training to do ! Oh no, wait, you're cheating. Your posts are shorter individually, but now you post three times in a row ! That's the way to success.
Oh brother.QuoteThe thing is that NOW, you say that I 'seemed like' I was yellin, but you said in your initial post on that point (which I've reposted that like 20 times in this thread) that, "hjk was just yelling," no 'seemed like' or anything, and that is why I am saying you were wrong, because, I WAS NOT YELLING.=>QuoteYeah, I thought you were yelling, because you looked like you were yelling. Everybody else thought you were yelling, even your God. Why am I not allowed to think you were yelling ?
:laugh4:QuoteMy point is, you keep on insisting that you got the facts straight and you didnt.Mine is that you keep insisting that you got the fact straight and that I didn't, when you really didn't.
What's the question. I have answered your questions like 20 times... honestlyQuoteBy saying, "In this case"Hi, you're a fucking moron. This has been addressed times and times again and you're just closing your ears because you don't want to hear it. Dipshit.
Also you're not answering my questions. You know, the parts I bolded "for emphasize". Don't lose yourself in your retared conclusions, just answer my damn questions. Not just here in my last post, but also in my earlier posts.
And I'll say you were somewhat right in that.Quotebecause you made it seem like, "in this case" the [AI Coder] went against his wordNo, I repeat, you didn't understand what I said properly (this sentence is getting old). Was it or was it not right to say that the coder passed it around ? Was it or was it not correct to say that he was repsonsible ?
You think I said "he's guilty" when I spoke about "responsibility". You sayByakko, you are misunderstanding me. Let me break this down for you: I am trying to get you to realize that there are cases that involve me, where you have spoken unclearly/mistyped resulting in me, or anyone, making absolute connections to one interpretation, that you might not have meant to make. Read here please:Quotebecause you made it seem likeNotice anything here ? Let me point it out :Quotebecause you made it seem likeSee that ?QuoteSEEM LIKEOnce more for the fun of it :QuoteSEEM LIKEOkay, what does that remind you of ? An assumption from your part. You assumed I meant "he went against his words". Did you or did you not ? Where have I heard that before ? Oh yeah, when you YELLED AT ME FOR1011 PAGES FOR THINKING YOU WERE YELLING WHEN YOU REALLY WEREN'T.
Now, if I made a wrong assumption in thinking you were yelling when you weren't, maybe you did the same and assumed WRONGLY that I said the guy went against his word when I spoke about responsibility ? So, who is making mistakes and doesn't want to admit it ?
What i'm saying Byakko, is with your talk about how good you are at English, and how you come off as if you are 'perfect,' I am presenting to you cases where you misspoke, and how you've refused to admit it. I care little for the time (which you've blown out of proportion), but instead, I just want to see whether you'll come to the realization that you are not ALWAYS right, especially not in the situations I'm presenting.
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Did you do it on purpose(?), probably not. But what you said is what you said, and that’s all I want to get through to you.
What are you talking about. You're teh one who came back with insults when I thought the situation was over. I was not the aggressor.QuoteI tried to keep the peaceOH, WHAT A SUCCESS !
Whta? What point are you making? Read that entire paragraph please, maybe you'll get a better understanding of me.QuoteI said that right here (in the quote) and IN THE ORIGNAL POST so people would stop telling me that I'm being lazy, and actually give consideration to what I'm saying because I have to go back and explain it, go back and explain it, and GO BACK AND EXPLAIN IT, and it kills me.Good, do it one more time, and keep doing so until you realize that you're focusing on the wrong thing.
No Byakko. I'm saying I was speaking clearly when I explained what the "glitch" thing on teh Makoto videos were about.Quotewhy I said, "I WAS SPEAKING CLEARLY"OBVIOUSLY YOU DIDN'T SINCE EVERYONE ELSE ALSO THOUGHT YOU WERE YELLING.
NO YOU DIDN'T AND YOU KNOW YOU DIDN'T. The post that you deleted was not a big insult now was it? Then your second reply said I wasn't speaking clearly, when I was, and I had to explain to you, why I said, "I WAS SPEAKING CLEARLY" with the addition, again, of you insulting me.Byakko, cut the shit and start reading. It's right there for you.
Here are the posts where I EXPLAINED IT BYAKKO (use your find button and type in the word "glitch":
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg680294#msg680294
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg679714#msg679714
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg681098#msg681098
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg680865#msg680865
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678913#msg678913
What teh fuck are ypu talking about. You didn't even read what I said. Read it. I adderessed that again above.QuoteHere are the posts where I EXPLAINED IT BYAKKOCool, but people still confirmed that you did look like you were yelling and you accepted it. So I don't know why you refuse to accept it now when I'm the one saying the same thing.
You're still not reading. THE BIG PARAGRAPH ADDRESSED TEH YELLING ISSUE. In this post, as was obvious if you just read, I was talking about labeling the Makotot Issue. I addressed this above. START READING. You're not even answering me on teh same point I'm, making. You're just excerpting my posts and replying to it using parts I'm not talking about.QuoteNo really, something's wrong. You mayy not be reading my full posts, because this is not what I've said. I addressed the yelling thing in that long paragraph above as well.I think you have a problem in understanding what "not explaining yourself properly" means at all. YOU CAME ACROSS AS YELLING WHEN YOU WEREN'T AND YOU LABEL THINGS IMPROPERLY. That can be described as "not explaining yourself properly". Yet you say you posted exactly what you meant. So which is it, did you come across as yelling because you WANTED to look like you were yelling, or were you really not yelling ?
You're such an idiot. ARE YOU FUCKING READING MY POSTS. Byakko, give me a list of the reasons why people may increase their text size,a nd see if they would have made sense there. No really make that list because I've already outlined mine, if you would JUST READ, and not make me post it 20 times.QuoteByakko, the thing is you didn't say it, 'looked' like you were yelling. You said I WAS YELLING.You aren't even reading my posts.Obviously you didn't read the part where it was perfectly normal for me to think you were yelling when everyone else also thought you were. You want me to apologize for a mistake you made.
I just replied to Sepp, and explained why that wasn't the case here.QuoteThen why didn't you just apologize for saying outright that I was yelling?Because you're the one who made a mistake by explaining yourself improperly. It's pretty normal of me to not understand you when you don't explain yourself properly. I believe Sepp just finished talking about that.
No, you went for "yelling" when there are tons of other reasons why people increase theeir text size. Why did you feel teh need to exclusively apply the negative one.QuoteI'm saying you just need to askNo, why should I ask ? You're the one who post like you're yelling, of course I'll assume you are yelling. You want me to apologize for your mistakes.
So. You explain to me you weren't really yelling at Cyanide, you explain to me you didn't make the AI for Yun and Kim, and I explain to you that I wasn't pointing any finger at you for Yun and Kim. Since I've already accepted that you weren't yelling and didn't make the AI for Yun and Kim, you can't accept that I was not pointing any finger at you for Yun and Kim ? Why MUST I accept you did nothing wrong but you refuse to accept I didn't do anything wrong ? Can you recognize your mistakes ? Can you prove it to me ?You need to actually start reading. Read this full post because I'm sick and tired opf having you excerpt things, and reply on points I'm not even talking about.
Oh hey, the sincerity discount of the week says you don't even need to say "I'm sorry" because I don't care about that ; I just want you to prove it and stop hounding me about how you wrongly think I accused you. And you already accepted that you did come across as yelling, so that's taken care of.
Oh, and I'm still not apologizing for misunderstanding something that was not made to be understood properly.
"Byakko countering" :rofl:, more like Byakko dodging, or else isolating certain parts of my posts and replying to teh wrong things.QuoteI dunno. I mean calling me stupid before going through the full topic kinda seemed biased IMO.Going through this full topic should be considered a form of torture. 45% of it is you ranting incoherently, with Byakko countering.
Wait, why am I bothering posting this? You're going to be an idiot and quote it as if I personally give a damn.
Sometimes I wonder why the 'enemy' RSers keep staying here, while simulataneously insulting the Forum so much?You as a mod included in that KFM. I held off because you hadn't flung yourself into the argument to post your biased, untrue (as usual) crap yet.
A lot of the time, I bring up the issue that they 'seem' to blatantly ignore the fact that more people subject themselves to the dictations of this Forum, over theirs. Hre we have new members coming in at a faster rate than RS too. Yes, we can speculate about their motives for joining or their knowledge of the Forum, but the funny thing is, many of the people that leave, don't go to RS, and many of the people taht left in teh past, left because of Byakko as a mod.
Sometimes I wonder why the 'enemy' RSers keep staying here, while simulataneously insulting the Forum so much?Why do people who hate America continue to live in America?
A lot of the time, I bring up the issue that they 'seem' to blatantly ignore the fact that more people subject themselves to the dictations of this Forum, over theirs.Request forum.
Here we have new members coming in at a faster rate than RS too.Quality over quantity.
Yes, we can speculate about their motives for joining or their knowledge of the Forum, but the funny thing is, many of the people that leave, don't go to RS,We don't want them there anyway.
and many of the people taht left in teh past, left because of Byakko as a mod.Prove it.
Yes, but the thing is that they don't HAVE TO come here. I say they because I've never seen you in an argument, I've never seen it expressed here that 'many' of the mods disapprove of your actions, and I've never seen you launch a rant against the Guild.hjk said:Sometimes I wonder why the 'enemy' RSers keep staying here, while simulataneously insulting the Forum so much?Why do people who hate America continue to live in America?
... *You are correct on those or else I can't speak for others*
Over YouTube, many people, who thought I was qwer, saw the last 'battle' between Byakko and me and said, they had had arguments with Byakko too, and ended up leaving because of him. One even made the claim that Byakko created a new account simply to be able to continue an argument.Quoteand many of the people taht left in teh past, left because of Byakko as a mod.Prove it.
*Just got back from a Football/Soccer (US) game*
- I think I'll reply to Sepp first -
- Oh and Sepp, please read my full reply (if possible maybe even the last 3 or 4 even with Byakko's as well) -
- The full thing has to take up 4 ... sorry (a lot of it is quotes)-
I've already accepted that, but, I really think you should pat attention to my posts about Byakko, saying outright that, 'hjk was yelling,' when I wasn't. He didn't say it looked like I was yelling, he didn't say it seemed like I was yelling, he said, 'hjk was yelling.' Now, there are other reasons for why people post in large text, as I said as in to have their posts noticed (even Byakko himself said that), or else to emphasize a point. There are probably more, but the fact still remians there is more than one logical interpretation of my initial post, and Byakko only went for one which hapen to be the most negative [one that I could think of].
I've already accepted that, but, I really think [...] there is more than one logical interpretation of my initial post, and Byakko only went for one which hapen to be the most negative [one that I could think of].
Such a beautiful post. Sepp, I'll tell you this, I've always known coherent to mean, "logical," because I had to look it up (either in a thesaurus or a dictionary, more likely in a thesaurus) after a teacher said it, and I saw the word "logical" as its meaning. Although I have to admit that I never would have suspected that the thing meant, "logical organization" I will admit that this is my fault for not doing more to find its true definition.
BTW don't think I'm foolish enough to come at you in a debate of diction, because every time you (plusWinane and DavidGee) post, I always have an online dictionary open, because I tend not to understand at first.
Remember this thread:
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=76435.msg652538#msg652538
NO WAY I COULD HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH TAHT WITHOUT A DICTIONARY :impressed:
Oh, yes, my fault. I should have written xxx instead of coherent.
I cannot. I have explained what went on throughout this thread.
*I will repost the quotes later because again I'm low on time*
Wups, got them in time:
Here (use your find button and type in the word "glitch"):
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg680294#msg680294
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg679714#msg679714
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg681098#msg681098
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg680865#msg680865
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678913#msg678913
I cannot.
Please read the quote. You missed the point of why I posted in large text:What told you I cared ? This is my reply, and it's all you're going to get. You didn't post anything relevant to my reply, you say what you want and expect me to say what you want me to say, without giving a damn about what I reply to you, so get the fuck lost.
Byakko, how could you possibly know the factsI have as much opportunity as you to know them. I was involved in the situation too.
but your language leads me only to that single conclusionBecause you're a paranoid jackass. It was your conclusion, you THOUGHT I said this and that, as much as I THOUGHT you were yelling. You made a mistake, I made a mistake, I accepted mine a long while ago, shut the fuck up until you can do the same.
besides teh fact that you bundled 3 people into one.I didn't.
Read the quoteRead my posts. It's YOUR mistake, YOUR misintepretation.
I have answered your questions like 20 timesNo you haven't.
why do you think I always spoke about "the AI coder" without using your name ? If I avoided using your name, it was precisely to avoid accusing you.Those questions are all over the topic back to page 4. You have not answered most of them. You go back and forth with irrelevant replies, you manipulate facts, you miss the point most of the time, you lie.
How could anyone have the patch if the one who made it didn't pass it around ??
So, was it wrong ? I explained that the caps changing and all made you look like you were yelling. You accepted that. Was it wrong ?
Right here and now, do you see the difference between "if it's you, then you're responsible" and "you did it, you're guilty" ? Do you see it or not ? If you do, why did you not see it back then ?
you figured I spoke to MA outside of that topic, which I didn't - not that it would even be relevant (by the way, what do you even think we discussed that is so important ? Why do you insist so much that I spoke to MA ?
Is it false ? You were saying just before my post that you have a problem with explaining yourself and labeling things. How does it become false when I say it ? And if it's not false, why would I apologize about it ?
how can you believe you know what I meant better than me ?
What you said did not answer my bolded question. All you say is that, back then, you thought I said this and that. RIGHT HERE AND NOW, DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE. NOT BACK THEN. HERE AND NOW, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "IF YOU ARE GUILTY, THEN BAD" AND "YOU ARE GUILTY, DIE". I don't give a rat's fart if back then you thought I said "you did it". It's a simple question, yes or no. Say "yes, right here and now, I can say it is indeed not the same thing" or say "no, right here and now, I don't see the difference between conditional and an affirmation". Don't give me crap about how you interpreted what I said back then. Just say if you see a difference.
I said specifically "if you coded it and it was passed around, it means you're the one wh passed it". That's all I said. And if it turned out it wasn't you, my point still stood, the AI coder was responsible. what, is it the "IF" that you don't understand in that sentence ?
Was it or was it not right to say that the coder passed it around ? Was it or was it not correct to say that he was repsonsible ?
Since I've already accepted that you weren't yelling and didn't make the AI for Yun and Kim, you can't accept that I was not pointing any finger at you for Yun and Kim ? Why MUST I accept you did nothing wrong but you refuse to accept I didn't do anything wrong ? Can you recognize your mistakes ? Can you prove it to me ?
But WHO was it that asked KFM if he could distribute teh Patch?What the fuck do I care ? This isn't what I talked about.
WHO was it that KFM said, "No" to, not the [AI Coder] but me.Yeah, and the AI coder was supposed to know about KFM's answer because he was supposed to have heard it FROM YOU. You're a team with the guy, you ask, you get the reply, we expect the other guy got it too. So yeah, he passed it around when he was supposed to know KFM said no.
when no one did it anyway first of allOf course he did, since the patch did get leaked around.
you used the same person who asked for permission and recieved the answer of "No,"Because it didn't matter.
as your person who committed teh wrongful action which never existed anyway.It existed since the patch was posted publicly.
Byakko, you are misunderstanding me.Please don't switch the roles around kthx. You're misunderstanding what I said back then. Is what I said true or not ? This
I am trying to get you to realize that there are cases that involve me, where you have spoken unclearly/mistyped resulting in me, or anyone, making absolute connections to one interpretation, that you might not have meant to make.has absolutely nothing to do with my reply. You made an ASSUMPTION about what my post was back then, and your assumption was WRONG. Just like I wrongly assumed that you were yelling up here. Except everyone else also thought you were yelling, when you're the only one who jumped at me thinking I was accusing you when I wasn't. You misunderstood what I said back then, you made an assumption. The problem isn't my English however perfect or imperfect it is, it's your inability to explain yourself and understand others properly.
What are you talking about. You're teh one who came back with insults when I thought the situation was over. I was not the aggressor.You weren't doing anything to keep peace in this entire topic, that's what I'm talking about. If you say you tried to keep peace, obviously you did something wrong.
Whta? What point are you making? Read that entire paragraph pleaseI'll do that as soon as you read my replies to you.
No Byakko. I'm saying I was speaking clearly when I explained what the "glitch" thing on teh Makoto videos were about.No you didn't speak clearly since people thought you were yelling. The post you quote has nothing to do is not your reply to Cyanide, and it's your reply to Cyanide I'm talking about. Also, in what you quote, you were wrong : on my second post (counting the deleted one) when I said you weren't speaking clearly, you were not speaking clearly, the proof being that everyone thought you were yelling. I don't give a damn about whatever you say when you try to explain that you spoke clearly. You didn't. If you had, people wouldn't have thought you were yelling. Why do you keep bringing things back to when you explain yourself about the yelling when it's the yelling itself I'm talking about ? You say that your explanations about the yelling were clear, but you don't say anything about the yelling itself. And you refuse to understand that THIS is what I'm talking about, not your replies ABOUT the yelling, but THE YELLING itself. Why don't you see that I'm talking about the yelling ? I'm talking about the GODDAMNED YELLING. Not your replies about it, THE YELLING ITSELF. START READING. When explaining the Makoto issue, you did not explain yourself properly, SINCE EVERYONE THOUGHT YOU WERE YELLING TO CYANIDE.
give me a list of the reasons why people may increase their text sizeLet's see...
I just replied to Sepp, and explained why that wasn't the case here.No. It's still normal for people to think you're yelling when you post as if you were yelling.
No, you went for "yelling" when there are tons of other reasons why people increase theeir text size. Why did you feel teh need to exclusively apply the negative one.Because it's what it looked like. Everyone else also thought you were yelling, and I don't see you asking Cyanide why he felt the need to think you were yelling (I'll quote him in case you throw bullshit again : "increasing your text size did come across as shouting.") You're a moron.
One even made the claim that Byakko created a new account simply to be able to continue an argument.Oh, so he made an assumption (it's wrong, by the way). Geez, I wonder why people always think about the most negative possibility first ?
Who is taking bets ?
Is this one of those "aha you stopped arguing so that means I was totally right and I won" things?
Over YouTube,Please link me.
Idunno. I mean calling me stupid before going through the full topic kinda seemed biased IMO.To be fair, this was made due to past information, so it isn't like its based purely on this topic.
Yeah because everyone takes youtube people seriously. ::)Personally, I take them just as seriously as everyone else. Sure, many I would prefer to not be around, but we can't just the whole by its majority; there are a lot of them that even you would probably find favorable.
That's not what they are fighting for, well I can't really blame you if you didn't read 11 pages of wall of text, but basically it's hjk being annoying because Byakko reacted on his even more annoying way of writing and then Byakko responded to that, and it's been like that for 11 pages.If you didn't read, you shouldn't summarize. Consider being patient and reading before you speak.
Hey how about a summary of what's going on so far?
I will not, because in the last argument I asked two of them to post exactly what they were telling me in the Forum Discussion and they refused (*I dunno, what you'd be thinking after that).Over YouTube,Please link me.
I got through most of it, but I'm not even sure that I understood what the really big picture was because he started the first two sections by talking about his life, then got into how minds work... it kind of went into my eyes and out as quickly as it came :-\Quote- I think I'll reply to Sepp first -Ooooh how nice. But you haven't said anything yet. It will become obvious you're replying to me once you start replying to me. Why state it explicicly?
One doen't always need to say things when posting but... I think you should try to cut your posts down to the minimum for practice. Go for core concepts, drop the peripheral ones and the chrome (http://danielkeysmoran.blogspot.com/search/label/Infinite%20Methods) as much as you can for a while. You can again dress your posts up nicely later, but learn to post discussion material and information first.
*God, I may dissappoint you here*Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Sepp, let me quote some of my posts for you:Is this one of those "aha you stopped arguing so that means I was totally right and I won" things?Perhaps one of them could stop arguing (and thereby lose!), declaring himself the bigger man and stepping away (and thereby win!).
"You have more of a feeling of personal resentment than I have. Perhaps I have too little of it; but I never thought it paid. A man doesn't have the time to spend half his life in quarrels. If any man ceases to attack me, I never remember the past against him." --Lincoln
Byakko, this is exactly my point. You're not willing to listen to people before thinking your interpretations could be wrong. If you would have just slowed yourself down and considered the other reasons why I posted in large texts, 'I think' this argument could have been avoided.QuotePlease read the quote. You missed the point of why I posted in large text:What told you I cared ? This is my reply, and it's all you're going to get. You didn't post anything relevant to my reply, you say what you want and expect me to say what you want me to say, without giving a damn about what I reply to you, so get the fuck lost.
Byakko, you're not replying to what I was talking about, but I'll be flexible and consider that my language may have confused you. Really, I wouldn't say that's a fair conclusion even though it makes the mistake mine (coming from myself), because I posted the spoiler quotes which I thought would specificy exactly what I was talking about.QuoteByakko, how could you possibly know the factsI have as much opportunity as you to know them. I was involved in the situation too.
No Byakko. I am not trying to say 'you said I was the [AI Coder].' I'm saying your language drew me to that inescapably conclusion. I'm just trying to ask that Given the fact that the actions of your [AI Coder] matched up with mine, the fact your post matched with KFM's addressing me save that one name, the fact that you didn't post the number of people correctly (as in a single person didn't commit the actions), and the fact that no one out of us three really betrayed their word as your post suggested, Do you not believe that if I had made that conclusion, that it would have been fair? That is why I'm saying, 'there are times where you have misspoken as well.' just to present you with a time where you have done the same thing your pointing out for me.Quotebut your language leads me only to that single conclusionBecause you're a paranoid jackass. It was your conclusion, you THOUGHT I said this and that, as much as I THOUGHT you were yelling. You made a mistake, I made a mistake, I accepted mine a long while ago, shut the fuck up until you can do the same.
*OOOOHHHhhhhh. You have no idea how mad I got when I read this.*Quotebesides teh fact that you bundled 3 people into one.I didn't.
You're not even going to listen/read. It's just no use.QuoteRead the quoteRead my posts. It's YOUR mistake, YOUR misintepretation.
ORLY? I'll answer them all again and you can read through the thread to figure out precisely what I said.QuoteI have answered your questions like 20 timesNo you haven't.
=> why do you think I always spoke about "the AI coder" without using your name ? If I avoided using your name, it was precisely to avoid accusing you.I'm not saying that. I'm saying, "Given the fact that the actions of your [AI Coder] matched up with mine, the fact your post matched with KFM's addressing me save that one name, the fact that you didn't post the number of people correctly (as in a single person didn't commit the actions), and the fact that no one out of us three really betrayed their word as your post suggested, Do you not believe that if I had made that conclusion, that it would have been fair?" That is why I'm saying, 'there are times where you have misspoken as well.' just to present you with a time where you have done the same thing your pointing out for me."
How could anyone have the patch if the one who made it didn't pass it around ??Yes, I've agreed with that, but I said you got the details of how it happened mixed up. There was a breakdown in communication between MugenAbyss and Me (I say, "breakdwn in communication" to avoid throwing around blame). No one betrayed their word to KFM (specifically not me: the person who asked KFM).
So, was it wrong ? I explained that the caps changing and all made you look like you were yelling. You accepted that. Was it wrong ?Every time Ihave answered you the same way. You didn't say initially that I "looked like" I was yelling, and that's the point I'm trying to hammer into you. HAd you said, it 'looked like' I was yelling, this argument probably wouldn't have happened. You said:
Yeah, and you were "yelling" at him even when it wasn't your place. You're a jackass.*Answered already
Right here and now, do you see the difference between "if it's you, then you're responsible" and "you did it, you're guilty" ? Do you see it or not ? If you do, why did you not see it back then ?And I'm saying, that your postfrom back then wasn't saying that (you may not have meant to put it the way you did, but what you said still stands). I'm saying, for the 20th time, "Given the fact that the actions of your [AI Coder] matched up with mine, the fact your post matched with KFM's addressing me save that one name, the fact that you didn't post the number of people correctly (as in a single person didn't commit the actions), and the fact that no one out of us three really betrayed their word as your post suggested, Do you not believe that if I had made that conclusion, that it would have been fair?"
you figured I spoke to MA outside of that topic, which I didn't - not that it would even be relevant (by the way, what do you even think we discussed that is so important ? Why do you insist so much that I spoke to MA ?Because you had said in the original topic that you did, BUT, I'm willing to drop this point.
Is it false ? You were saying just before my post that you have a problem with explaining yourself and labeling things. How does it become false when I say it ? And if it's not false, why would I apologize about it ?- For here, please get this direct linked because I'm not even sure I'm replying to the right section and fr the first time, I'm too lazy to get the quote. *But for now I'd answer like...*
how can you believe you know what I meant better than me ?That's not what I said. I said. "YOUR LANGUAGE, brings me to that inescapable conclusion" and that "I'm presenting you with a time you misspoke." I'm saying, "Given the fact that the actions of your [AI Coder] matched up with mine, the fact your post matched with KFM's addressing me save that one name, the fact that you didn't post the number of people correctly (as in a single person didn't commit the actions), and the fact that no one out of us three really betrayed their word as your post suggested, Do you not believe that if I had made that conclusion, that it would have been fair?" That is why I'm saying, 'there are times where you have misspoken as well.' just to present you with a time where you have done the same thing your pointing out for me."
What you said did not answer my bolded question. All you say is that, back then, you thought I said this and that. RIGHT HERE AND NOW, DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE. NOT BACK THEN. HERE AND NOW, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "IF YOU ARE GUILTY, THEN BAD" AND "YOU ARE GUILTY, DIE". I don't give a rat's fart if back then you thought I said "you did it". It's a simple question, yes or no. Say "yes, right here and now, I can say it is indeed not the same thing" or say "no, right here and now, I don't see the difference between conditional and an affirmation". Don't give me crap about how you interpreted what I said back then. Just say if you see a difference.Oh lord byakko. Yes, i would see if difference had you posted that. I have been willing to accpet that you posted something you didnt mean, but I am simply tring to get you to undrstand that in teh way you posted, you lead me to an unavoidable conclusion. I'm saying, "Given the fact that the actions of your [AI Coder] matched up with mine, the fact your post matched with KFM's addressing me save that one name, the fact that you didn't post the number of people correctly (as in a single person didn't commit the actions), and the fact that no one out of us three really betrayed their word as your post suggested, Do you not believe that if I had made that conclusion, that it would have been fair?" That is why I'm saying, 'there are times where you have misspoken as well.' just to present you with a time where you have done the same thing your pointing out for me."
I said specifically "if you coded it and it was passed around, it means you're the one wh passed it". That's all I said. And if it turned out it wasn't you, my point still stood, the AI coder was responsible. what, is it the "IF" that you don't understand in that sentence ?That is not the case, and that isn't what you said. You ignore the additional details you added in like the actions of the [AI coder] (two of which matched up to mine) and the fact that your post lined up prefctly wth KFM's addressing me and the fact that you said, "in this case" which limited the amount of topics you could have been talking about to "1" and coincidentally in that "1" your words, again, tried to "sum up" the events involved in the Yun leak.
Was it or was it not right to say that the coder passed it around ? Was it or was it not correct to say that he was repsonsible ?No and Yes. You didn't say it in those precise words because in your post your, quote, unquote [AI Coder], had asked teh representative of teh rignal creator if he could distribute teh Patch, you said the representative sai, "No." and then went on to say, the [AI Coder], "did it anyway." By saying the [AI coder] "did it anyway" you were saying that [AI Coder] had betrayed his word and that was not teh case in teh situation you were quote, unquote, "Summing Up."
Since I've already accepted that you weren't yelling and didn't make the AI for Yun and Kim, you can't accept that I was not pointing any finger at you for Yun and Kim ? Why MUST I accept you did nothing wrong but you refuse to accept I didn't do anything wrong ? Can you recognize your mistakes ? Can you prove it to me ?I have already accepted that you were not trying to point a finger at me for Yun and Kim... Yes. My simple point is that your language can be just as bad as mine at times, because the things you post may als not accurately reflect what you want to say. I'm saying, "Given the fact that the actions of your [AI Coder] matched up with mine, the fact your post matched with KFM's addressing me save that one name, the fact that you didn't post the number of people correctly (as in a single person didn't commit the actions), and the fact that no one out of us three really betrayed their word as your post suggested, Do you not believe that if I had made that conclusion, that it would have been fair?" That is why I'm saying, 'there are times where you have misspoken as well.' just to present you with a time where you have done the same thing your pointing out for me."
Those questions are all over the topic back to page 4. You have not answered most of them. You go back and forth with irrelevant replies, you manipulate facts, you miss the point most of the time, you lie.:rofl: Half your questions are redundant and I believe I had answered them all before (assuredly most of them).
You keep saying "you could only have been talking about me" which I don't give a shit about as it's not the case, and you don't answer these questions.What? You said it in the Yun topic. Your [AI coder] matched up two of his actions with ME (hjk)QuoteBut WHO was it that asked KFM if he could distribute teh Patch?What the fuck do I care ? This isn't what I talked about.
That's not what you said though nand taht's what I'm trying to get through to you. Your post said, 'the [AI Coder] asked KFM if he could distribute the patch and KFM said no to the [AI Coder]' and you knew full and well that "I" had asked KFM if the patch could be distributed and KFM said "No" to me. You went on to say teh [AI Coder] did it anyway, which was not the case. You got the facts wrong Byakko. That's what I'm saying.QuoteWHO was it that KFM said, "No" to, not the [AI Coder] but me.Yeah, and the AI coder was supposed to know about KFM's answer because he was supposed to have heard it FROM YOU. You're a team with the guy, you ask, you get the reply, we expect the other guy got it too. So yeah, he passed it around when he was supposed to know KFM said no.
Answered right above.Quotewhen no one did it anyway first of allOf course he did, since the patch did get leaked around.
But do you admit tat you got the details wrong, whether it mattered or not. And (separate question), do you believe you should have separated yur [AI coder's] role(s), or else shouldn;'t have posted at all, until "I" had explained the situation.Quoteyou used the same person who asked for permission and recieved the answer of "No,"Because it didn't matter.
Answer above.Quoteas your person who committed teh wrongful action which never existed anyway.It existed since the patch was posted publicly.
I didn't make an assumption. I'm saying that the issue IS INDEED, the English beteen you and I, that has caused bad interpretations of everything. I'm saying, what you said, in that Yun post, suggests one thing when you meant another.QuoteByakko, you are misunderstanding me.Please don't switch the roles around kthx. You're misunderstanding what I said back then. Is what I said true or not ? ThisQuoteI am trying to get you to realize that there are cases that involve me, where you have spoken unclearly/mistyped resulting in me, or anyone, making absolute connections to one interpretation, that you might not have meant to make.has absolutely nothing to do with my reply. You made an ASSUMPTION about what my post was back then, and your assumption was WRONG. Just like I wrongly assumed that you were yelling up here. Except everyone else also thought you were yelling, when you're the only one who jumped at me thinking I was accusing you when I wasn't. You misunderstood what I said back then, you made an assumption. The problem isn't my English however perfect or imperfect it is, it's your inability to explain yourself and understand others properly.
That's a Flat Out LIE and you know it.QuoteWhat are you talking about. You're teh one who came back with insults when I thought the situation was over. I was not the aggressor.You weren't doing anything to keep peace in this entire topic, that's what I'm talking about. If you say you tried to keep peace, obviously you did something wrong.
Was I yelling? No. What did I say, NOTHING OFFENSIVE.Baiken said:Well obviously you missed the part where it's flat-out written in the common1.cns and called it a glitch anyway !OMG Byakko, did you read that. I'm not calling that a glitch, I switched what I was talking about.
Try reading ::)
I blame again your complete incapacity at explaining yourself properly. And if you aknowledged that you used the wrong word and fixed it, you're really a goddamn jackass to write like you did in your previous post. Don't tell people to read your posts properly if you can't write properly.Let me say this again:
By the way, your video doesn't work for me, it goes it a fucked up spee---AND STOP PMING ME, MY EYES WORK FINE THANK YOU
Oh brother.QuoteWhta? What point are you making? Read that entire paragraph pleaseI'll do that as soon as you read my replies to you.
AHHHHH!!!! YOU'RE NOT EVEN READING MY POSTS!!!QuoteNo Byakko. I'm saying I was speaking clearly when I explained what the "glitch" thing on teh Makoto videos were about.No you didn't speak clearly since people thought you were yelling. The post you quote has nothing to do is not your reply to Cyanide, and it's your reply to Cyanide I'm talking about. Also, in what you quote, you were wrong : on my second post (counting the deleted one) when I said you weren't speaking clearly, you were not speaking clearly, the proof being that everyone thought you were yelling. I don't give a damn about whatever you say when you try to explain that you spoke clearly. You didn't. If you had, people wouldn't have thought you were yelling. Why do you keep bringing things back to when you explain yourself about the yelling when it's the yelling itself I'm talking about ? You say that your explanations about the yelling were clear, but you don't say anything about the yelling itself. And you refuse to understand that THIS is what I'm talking about, not your replies ABOUT the yelling, but THE YELLING itself. Why don't you see that I'm talking about the yelling ? I'm talking about the GODDAMNED YELLING. Not your replies about it, THE YELLING ITSELF. START READING. When explaining the Makoto issue, you did not explain yourself properly, SINCE EVERYONE THOUGHT YOU WERE YELLING TO CYANIDE.
Yeah, and you were "yelling" at him even when it wasn't your place. You're a jackass.The DIFFERENCE between what you said, and what others said was that they actually added in the 'seemed like.' You DID NOT add in the seemed like, but said, flat out, that 'hjk was yelling.'
I kep coming back at it because you keep avoiding admitting that YOU DID NOT SAY I 'SEEMED LIKE' I WAS YELLING. You said:Quotegive me a list of the reasons why people may increase their text sizeLet's see...
-Yelling
I don't care if it MIGHT have been something else, this is what it LOOKED LIKE. You accepted it, so why do you keep coming back at it ? When Cyanide explained that you did look like you were yelling, did you or did you not accept it ? Why do you keep coming back at me because I did JUST WHAT YOU RECOGNIZED ANYONE COULD DO ?
Yeah, and you were "yelling" at him even when it wasn't your place. You're a jackass.The DIFFERENCE between what you said, and what others said was that they actually added in the 'seemed like.' You DID NOT add in the seemed like, but said, flat out, that 'hjk was yelling.'
AHHHHH!!!! YOU'RE NOT EVEN READING MY POSTS!!!QuoteI just replied to Sepp, and explained why that wasn't the case here.No. It's still normal for people to think you're yelling when you post as if you were yelling.
Yeah, and you were "yelling" at him even when it wasn't your place. You're a jackass.The DIFFERENCE between what you said, and what others said was that they actually added in the 'seemed like.' You DID NOT add in the seemed like, but said, flat out, that 'hjk was yelling.'
You're the biggest liar I have ever seen. YOU'RE NOT EVEN ANSWERING THIS BASED ON WHAT "YOU" yourself said.QuoteNo, you went for "yelling" when there are tons of other reasons why people increase theeir text size. Why did you feel teh need to exclusively apply the negative one.Because it's what it looked like. Everyone else also thought you were yelling, and I don't see you asking Cyanide why he felt the need to think you were yelling (I'll quote him in case you throw bullshit again : "increasing your text size did come across as shouting.") You're a moron.
Sorry dude, increasing your text size did come across as shouting. If you wish to put emphsis into what you write, emphasize the important points with caps if you're lazy or italics if you aren't. This doesn't mean emphasizing a whole sentence.You Said:
Yeah, and you were "yelling" at him even when it wasn't your place. You're a jackass.DO YOU SE THE OBVIOUS DIFFERENCE BYAKKO. LOOK AT THAT POST BYAKKO. DO YOU SEE THAT DIFFERENCE??!!!!!!
Did I say it... No. That's why I said, "made the claim."QuoteOne even made the claim that Byakko created a new account simply to be able to continue an argument.Oh, so he made an assumption (it's wrong, by the way). Geez, I wonder why people always think about the most negative possibility first ?
You're not willing to listen to people before thinking your interpretations could be wrong.You're a moron, we're discussing what you misunderstood, NOT ME.
If you would have just slowed yourself down and considered the other reasons why I posted in large textsThis has been solved ages ago, moron.
Byakko, you're not replying to what I was talking aboutNeither are you.
because I posted the spoiler quotes which I thought would specificy exactly what I was talking about. Byakko, what I was saying was that, 'I was directly involed in the leak and know the absolute details.' I.E. why I called your "summary" of it inaccurate. In otehr words, you couldn't possibly know teh details better than I could.You still don't get that it doesn't matter.
I'm saying your language drew me to that inescapably conclusion.No, my language was not pointing any finger at you, you're the one who drew your conclusion on your own.
Given the fact that the actions of your [AI Coder] matched up with mine, the fact your post matched with KFM's addressing me save that one name, the fact that you didn't post the number of people correctly... Are all irrelevant.
and the fact that no one out of us three really betrayed their word as your post suggestedMy post was saying that someone passed it around when he wasn't supposed to and that was a mistake, moron. You drew your own conclusion. You drew an incorrect conlusion just as much as I drew an incorrect conclusion in thinking you were shouting. So why do you expect me to understand I'm made a mistake on the shouting but you refuse to understand you made a mistake back then ? I've asked that several times and you have not answered that.
*OOOOHHHhhhhh. You have no idea how mad I got when I read this.*You were a team. Obviously we all assumed that the entire team heard the reply. This is just the same as what happened with Kim. I understand that there was a failure in communication, I got it the first time you said so back then. BBut it has nothing to do with what I said.
Let me outline it again:
qwerwgrebew - coded the AI
hjk - asked KFM if the patch could be released. KFM said, "No."
MugenAbyss - due to a breakdown in communication, hosted teh patch on his website
Your Post to Laxxe,
"In this case the [AI Coder] asked the representative of the original creator if he could release the patch. The creator said, "No" and what do you know, the [AI Coder] did it anyway."
'm not saying that. I'm saying, "Given the fact that the actions of your [AI Coder] matched up with mine, the fact your post matched with KFM's addressing me save that one name, the fact that you didn't post the number of people correctly (as in a single person didn't commit the actions), and the fact that no one out of us three really betrayed their word as your post suggested, Do you not believe that if I had made that conclusion, that it would have been fair?" That is why I'm saying, 'there are times where you have misspoken as well.' just to present you with a time where you have done the same thing your pointing out for me."Not, not answered. You're dodging the question. WHY DO YOU THINK I AVOIDED GIVING ANY NAME. I don't give a damn about how many you were, about what you thought I meant. First question, NOT answered.
*Answered Already.'m not saying that. I'm saying, "Given the fact that the actions of your [AI Coder] matched up with mine, the fact your post matched with KFM's addressing me save that one name, the fact that you didn't post the number of people correctly (as in a single person didn't commit the actions), and the fact that no one out of us three really betrayed their word as your post suggested, Do you not believe that if I had made that conclusion, that it would have been fair?" That is why I'm saying, 'there are times where you have misspoken as well.' just to present you with a time where you have done the same thing your pointing out for me."
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but I said you got the details of how it happened mixed up. There was a breakdown in communication between MugenAbyss and Me (I say, "breakdwn in communication" to avoid throwing around blame). No one betrayed their word to KFM (specifically not me: the person who asked KFM).Not my point, I know about the failure in communication, and it has nothing to do with whatever I said. Answered when you agred though, but you're dodging this by drowning the fish with stuff that is NOT what I was talking about. You were a team, so yes, I/we assumed the entire team heard the reply.
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Every time Ihave answered you the same way. You didn't say initially that I "looked like" I was yelling, and that's the point I'm trying to hammer into you.And this has always been the wrong answer. OF COURSE I THOUGHT YOU REALLY WERE YELLING, SINCE YOU LOOKED LIKE YOU WERE YELLING, SO I SAID "YOU'RE YELLING". Because you posted LIKE you were yelling, so I thought you were. Again, why would I not be allowed to think you were yelling when you looked like you were yelling ? And if I thought you were yelling, of course I'd say "you're yelling". NOT answerd.
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And I'm saying, that your postfrom back then wasn't saying that (you may not have meant to put it the way you did, but what you said still stands)AND I'M SAYING IT WAS. I'm saying you misunderstood it.
I'm saying, for the 20th timeI'm saying for the 20th time that this is irrelevant. NOT answered.
"YOUR LANGUAGE, brings me to that inescapable conclusion"In the same way that YOUR LANGUAGE brought me to the conclusion that you were yelling. NOT answered.
Yes, i would see if difference had you posted thatGood, answered - even though you're yet again drowning the fish and throwing everything back to something you didn't understand properly in the first place.
That is not the case, and that isn't what you said. You ignore the additional details you added in like the actions of the [AI coder] (two of which matched up to mine) and the fact that your post lined up prefctly wth KFM's addressing me and the fact that you said, "in this case" which limited the amount of topics you could have been talking about to "1" and coincidentally in that "1" your words, again, tried to "sum up" the events involved in the Yun leak.NOT answered for the same reasons as the previous ones.
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No and Yes. You didn't say it in those precise words because in your post your, quote, unquote [AI Coder], had asked teh representative of teh rignal creator if he could distribute teh Patch, you said the representative sai, "No." and then went on to say, the [AI Coder], "did it anyway." By saying the [AI coder] "did it anyway" you were saying that [AI Coder] had betrayed his word and that was not teh case in teh situation you were quote, unquote, "Summing Up."Still not answered, still dodged, you were a team so obviously I/we thought the entire team got the word, get over it.
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I have already accepted that you were not trying to point a finger at me for Yun and Kim...Oh then that must be why you're still insisting about how this was your only possible conclusion.
Half your questions are redundant and I believe I had answered them all before (assuredly most of them).You believe you have answered most of them but as explained, you didn't.
Half of teh frickin thread was me reposting post orders taht you messed up,Of course, I quote the entire first part of the topic in the order it happened, but I fuck up the order of events ? How can that be, I wonder.
you disecting my posts and replying to things I'm no even talking aboutyou disecting my posts and replying to things I'm no even talking aboutPot calling the kettle black, you're insisting that there was only one possible conclusion you could arrive to when your conclusion doesn't matter.
(i.e. you alwyas say people don't like you)õ_ò I think I wasn't there when that happened.
Your [AI coder] matched up two of his actions with MEAlready addressed. Apparently you still don't even get why I said "[AI coder]" instead of giving any name to begin with. And I still don't care about your conclusion on how it matched what you did, still irrelevant.
Your post said, 'the [AI Coder] asked KFM if he could distribute the patch and KFM said no to the [AI Coder]'Okay, so "the AI coder asked his buddy in his team to ask KFM and the buddy asked KFM and KFM said no and the buddy was supposed to tell the AI coder". Who the hell cares ? This still isn't the point I was getting at back then and you still don't get it. The identitiy of who did the coding and who did the asking doesn't matter, and I've said that several times already, but you insist I was speaking as if it was you when it doesn't matter.
BTW, qwer was told that KFM said No. You ever been in a situation where you send a Private Creation to one or more people and it gets leaked?Cool, then the AI coder did get the response. And yes, I have been in such a situation. But the AI coder is still responsible for passing it around, and the passing around resulted in the leak. WHICH IS WHAT I WAS SAYING BACK THEN, AND WORD FOR WORD THIS TIME.
Why is it that with your [AI Coder] it culdn't have been the same case as with "Blaque?"... ? Blaque was the same situation. The conclusion about who was responsible at the source was the same. It's the first thing that happened, Eli knew he gave it to someone who passed it. AND I DON'T SEE ELI COMING AND SHITTING HIS BLOODY TANTRUM ON ME OR ANYONE AT RS.
Answered right above.Answered right above.
But do you admit tat you got the details wrong, whether it mattered or not.The details ? I didn't even look at any details, because they were irrelevant.
do you believe you should have separated yur [AI coder's] role(s), or else shouldn;'t have posted at all, until "I" had explained the situation.No I don't. You were a team, of course I/we assumed you got the word whoever did the asking.
Answer above.Answer above.
I didn't make an assumption.Yes you did, you concluded that it could only have been you when it didn't matter as it wasn't the point of what I was saying.
That's a Flat Out LIE and you know it.Oh, so you haven't been yelling at me for 12 pages... But wait, this topic doesn't last 12 pages but just 3, everything went peacefully because of your tact and talent at keeping peace. You replied peacefully the first time then just dropped the entire idea of staying calm. So you're making me laugh when you say you tried to keep the peace.
AHHHHH!!!! YOU'RE NOT EVEN READING MY POSTS!!!Neither are you.
I said, my explanation ABOUT THE MAKOTO GLITCH THING was clear.I DON'T GIVE A CRAP AS THIS ISN'T WHAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
The explanations I am focused on WERE NOT about the "Yelling.YEAH BUT IT'S WHAT WAS TALKING ABOUT AND YOU'RE DODGING IT.
BESIDES you did not say in your initial reply that I 'seemed like' I was yellingAlready addressed, of course I wasn't, since you looked like you were yelling, I assumed you were. I've already accepted it was a mistake PAGES AGO if you even read my posts instead of always coming back at stuff that have already been resolved. You're still a moron.
You DID NOT add in the seemed like, but said, flat out, that 'hjk was yelling.'
Free beers for everyone !
- Sepp, I'm trying to be short, but really, when I do that my words come out more jumbled and unclear, than in longer posts. -
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- Sepp, would you like me to outline parts of my post I think you should read? -
An abstract is a brief summary of a research article, thesis, review, conference proceeding or any in-depth analysis of a particular subject or discipline, and is often used to help the reader quickly ascertain the paper's purpose.
The abstract of a thesis or article is a short summary that explains the main argument(s), topic(s) or findings.
I'm willing to bet Makoto's kick has the hit property "M"And i'm NOT willing to take you up on that bet.
Byakko, this discussion started with you not reading the end of my big reply to Cyanide, but the big argument started when you interpretted my first post as yelling when it wasn't.QuoteYou're not willing to listen to people before thinking your interpretations could be wrong.You're a moron, we're discussing what you misunderstood, NOT ME.
You're the biggest liar I have ever seen. YOU'RE NOT EVEN ANSWERING THIS BASED ON WHAT "YOU" yourself said.QuoteNo, you went for "yelling" when there are tons of other reasons why people increase theeir text size. Why did you feel teh need to exclusively apply the negative one.Because it's what it looked like. Everyone else also thought you were yelling, and I don't see you asking Cyanide why he felt the need to think you were yelling (I'll quote him in case you throw bullshit again : "increasing your text size did come across as shouting.") You're a moron.
Cyanide said;Sorry dude, increasing your text size did come across as shouting. If you wish to put emphsis into what you write, emphasize the important points with caps if you're lazy or italics if you aren't. This doesn't mean emphasizing a whole sentence.You Said:Yeah, and you were "yelling" at him even when it wasn't your place. You're a jackass.DO YOU SE THE OBVIOUS DIFFERENCE BYAKKO. LOOK AT THAT POST BYAKKO. DO YOU SEE THAT DIFFERENCE??!!!!!!
Oh God, please tell me that you see it. Please tell me taht i won't have to post it again, and again, and again.!!!
Why is it that you don't reply based on what you actually said. Why do you always bring the discussion back to the 'seemed like,' when that is not what your post said. Holy Shit, just answer it, and stop making it look like you said, 'hjk 'seemed like' he was yelling,' when that isn't what that post I'm quoting from you says.
Oh wow, two "morons" in a row... I'm crying. Tell me, WHERE was it solved?QuoteIf you would have just slowed yourself down and considered the other reasons why I posted in large textsThis has been solved ages ago, moron.
Unlike you I post teh ENTIRE post order and ENTIRE quotes when replying to you to show why I replied in the ways I did. In addition, when I say that you didn't respond appropriately I also post the quotes to show you where your mistakes were.QuoteByakko, you're not replying to what I was talking aboutNeither are you.
So wait, you can say that your postings of bad and wrong details of an event are justified. No matter when it came from, you remember it, and have refused to fess up to it.Quotebecause I posted the spoiler quotes which I thought would specificy exactly what I was talking about. Byakko, what I was saying was that, 'I was directly involed in the leak and know the absolute details.' I.E. why I called your "summary" of it inaccurate. In otehr words, you couldn't possibly know teh details better than I could.You still don't get that it doesn't matter.
Byakko, let me ask you this question again:QuoteI'm saying your language drew me to that inescapably conclusion.No, my language was not pointing any finger at you, you're the one who drew your conclusion on your own.
So wait. When you tell me that I speak unclearly its relevant, but when I present you with times where you have posted badly it becomes irrelevant. I could care less how long ago it was. I'll keep posting it until you answer the simple question that:QuoteGiven the fact that the actions of your [AI Coder] matched up with mine, the fact your post matched with KFM's addressing me save that one name, the fact that you didn't post the number of people correctly... Are all irrelevant.
Byakko, your post said this:Quoteand the fact that no one out of us three really betrayed their word as your post suggestedMy post was saying that someone passed it around when he wasn't supposed to and that was a mistake, moron. You drew your own conclusion. You drew an incorrect conlusion just as much as I drew an incorrect conclusion in thinking you were shouting. So why do you expect me to understand I'm made a mistake on the shouting but you refuse to understand you made a mistake back then ? I've asked that several times and you have not answered that.
YOU SAID NOTHING ABOUT A TEAM IN YOUR POST BYAKKO. Your [AI Coder] is a SINGLE Person, whose action somehow match up with mine (me -> a SINGLE person). The unavoidable interpretation you get from your quote is that "1 (SINGLE)" person, the [AI Coder], committed an 'evil' action. Additionally because the actions of your "1" person match up with ME, and how your post is virtually the same as KFM's which accused me, I MUST BE YOUR SAID [AI CODER]. The actions, the matches, the post again for you:Quote*OOOOHHHhhhhh. You have no idea how mad I got when I read this.*You were a team. Obviously we all assumed that the entire team heard the reply. This is just the same as what happened with Kim. I understand that there was a failure in communication, I got it the first time you said so back then. BBut it has nothing to do with what I said.
Let me outline it again:
qwerwgrebew - coded the AI
hjk - asked KFM if the patch could be released. KFM said, "No."
MugenAbyss - due to a breakdown in communication, hosted teh patch on his website
Your Post to Laxxe,
"In this case the [AI Coder] asked the representative of the original creator if he could release the patch. The creator said, "No" and what do you know, the [AI Coder] did it anyway."
You answer me this question first AS I HAVE BEEN ASKING IT FOR A YEAR:Quote'm not saying that. I'm saying, "Given the fact that the actions of your [AI Coder] matched up with mine, the fact your post matched with KFM's addressing me save that one name, the fact that you didn't post the number of people correctly (as in a single person didn't commit the actions), and the fact that no one out of us three really betrayed their word as your post suggested, Do you not believe that if I had made that conclusion, that it would have been fair?" That is why I'm saying, 'there are times where you have misspoken as well.' just to present you with a time where you have done the same thing your pointing out for me."Not, not answered. You're dodging the question. WHY DO YOU THINK I AVOIDED GIVING ANY NAME. I don't give a damn about how many you were, about what you thought I meant. First question, NOT answered.
*Answered Already.'m not saying that. I'm saying, "Given the fact that the actions of your [AI Coder] matched up with mine, the fact your post matched with KFM's addressing me save that one name, the fact that you didn't post the number of people correctly (as in a single person didn't commit the actions), and the fact that no one out of us three really betrayed their word as your post suggested, Do you not believe that if I had made that conclusion, that it would have been fair?" That is why I'm saying, 'there are times where you have misspoken as well.' just to present you with a time where you have done the same thing your pointing out for me."
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YOUR POST SAYS NOTHING ABOUT A TEAM. It only talks about a SINGLE [AI Coder], whose actions coincidentally match-up with mine.Quotebut I said you got the details of how it happened mixed up. There was a breakdown in communication between MugenAbyss and Me (I say, "breakdwn in communication" to avoid throwing around blame). No one betrayed their word to KFM (specifically not me: the person who asked KFM).Not my point, I know about the failure in communication, and it has nothing to do with whatever I said. Answered when you agred though, but you're dodging this by drowning the fish with stuff that is NOT what I was talking about. You were a team, so yes, I/we assumed the entire team heard the reply.
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I'M ASKING YOU why you couldn't have questioned me as to my motives for posting so largely? Why couldn't you have just put in FIRST that, 'it seems like you're yelling,' 'you're post style suggested that you were yelling,' 'I assume you were yelling,' 'you could be yelling,' etc? I'm asking why you couldn't have just weighed the facts before making a definite and wrong post?QuoteEvery time Ihave answered you the same way. You didn't say initially that I "looked like" I was yelling, and that's the point I'm trying to hammer into you.And this has always been the wrong answer. OF COURSE I THOUGHT YOU REALLY WERE YELLING, SINCE YOU LOOKED LIKE YOU WERE YELLING, SO I SAID "YOU'RE YELLING". Because you posted LIKE you were yelling, so I thought you were. Again, why would I not be allowed to think you were yelling when you looked like you were yelling ? And if I thought you were yelling, of course I'd say "you're yelling". NOT answerd.
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Byakko, let me clarify. I'm saying that the way you posted led me to an unavoidable interpretation that you may not have meant, BUTQuoteAnd I'm saying, that your postfrom back then wasn't saying that (you may not have meant to put it the way you did, but what you said still stands)AND I'M SAYING IT WAS. I'm saying you misunderstood it.
So you have the ability to tell me that I speak unclearly, and when I say that you do as well it becomes irrelevant, Byakko?QuoteI'm saying, for the 20th timeI'm saying for the 20th time that this is irrelevant. NOT answered.
"In the same way"... No. There are facts for deh weighing that you did nott consider. Me, I knew of our relationship and I've posted multiple time WHY it was unavoidable, which you refuse to answer on.Quote"YOUR LANGUAGE, brings me to that inescapable conclusion"In the same way that YOUR LANGUAGE brought me to the conclusion that you were yelling. NOT answered.
I've posted WHY you stated it badly and asked you the same question every time.QuoteYes, i would see if difference had you posted thatGood, answered - even though you're yet again drowning the fish and throwing everything back to something you didn't understand properly in the first place.
Oh Please.QuoteThat is not the case, and that isn't what you said. You ignore the additional details you added in like the actions of the [AI coder] (two of which matched up to mine) and the fact that your post lined up prefctly wth KFM's addressing me and the fact that you said, "in this case" which limited the amount of topics you could have been talking about to "1" and coincidentally in that "1" your words, again, tried to "sum up" the events involved in the Yun leak.NOT answered for the same reasons as the previous ones.
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VByakko you're lying. YOUR POST SAID NOTHING ABOUT A TEAM.QuoteNo and Yes. You didn't say it in those precise words because in your post your, quote, unquote [AI Coder], had asked teh representative of teh rignal creator if he could distribute teh Patch, you said the representative sai, "No." and then went on to say, the [AI Coder], "did it anyway." By saying the [AI coder] "did it anyway" you were saying that [AI Coder] had betrayed his word and that was not teh case in teh situation you were quote, unquote, "Summing Up."Still not answered, still dodged, you were a team so obviously I/we thought the entire team got the word, get over it.
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Way to cut off my post when replying to it.QuoteI have already accepted that you were not trying to point a finger at me for Yun and Kim...Oh then that must be why you're still insisting about how this was your only possible conclusion.
I have already accepted that you were not trying to point a finger at me for Yun and Kim... Yes. My simple point is that your language can be just as bad as mine at times, because the things you post may als not accurately reflect what you want to say. I'm saying, "Given the fact that the actions of your [AI Coder] matched up with mine, the fact your post matched with KFM's addressing me save that one name, the fact that you didn't post the number of people correctly (as in a single person didn't commit the actions), and the fact that no one out of us three really betrayed their word as your post suggested, Do you not believe that if I had made that conclusion, that it would have been fair?" That is why I'm saying, 'there are times where you have misspoken as well.' just to present you with a time where you have done the same thing your pointing out for me."Do you accept that your language was bad, Byakko?
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The difference between you and I is that I don't post in definites when i'm not sure of something. I still believe that I've answered them, you may not, just as i blieve you dodged my questions as well. It will go back and forth for a long time I guess.QuoteHalf your questions are redundant and I believe I had answered them all before (assuredly most of them).You believe you have answered most of them but as explained, you didn't.
You leave out the deleted replies for whatever reasons, and you fail to mention my actions that were effort to keep this peacefeul. Besides that, you have a tendency to exceprt my posts and identify tehm as teh wrong things.QuoteHalf of teh frickin thread was me reposting post orders taht you messed up,Of course, I quote the entire first part of the topic in the order it happened, but I fuck up the order of events ? How can that be, I wonder.
What? Where did that answer come from. Again, I'm just restating, you've been disecting my posted and answering on the wrong things. *ThatQuoteyou disecting my posts and replying to things I'm no even talking aboutyou disecting my posts and replying to things I'm no even talking aboutPot calling the kettle black, you're insisting that there was only one possible conclusion you could arrive to when your conclusion doesn't matter.
My God. That was an "understood"Quote(i.e. you alwyas say people don't like you)õ_ò I think I wasn't there when that happened.
Still dodging teh question.QuoteYour [AI coder] matched up two of his actions with MEAlready addressed. Apparently you still don't even get why I said "[AI coder]" instead of giving any name to begin with. And I still don't care about your conclusion on how it matched what you did, still irrelevant.
I've asked you this question many time.QuoteYour post said, 'the [AI Coder] asked KFM if he could distribute the patch and KFM said no to the [AI Coder]'Okay, so "the AI coder asked his buddy in his team to ask KFM and the buddy asked KFM and KFM said no and the buddy was supposed to tell the AI coder". Who the hell cares ? This still isn't the point I was getting at back then and you still don't get it. The identitiy of who did the coding and who did the asking doesn't matter, and I've said that several times already, but you insist I was speaking as if it was you when it doesn't matter.
qwer and I agreed, but you misidentified teh people involved.Your [AI Coder] is a SINGLE person whose actions match up with mine. Do you think teh conclusion was fair?QuoteBTW, qwer was told that KFM said No. You ever been in a situation where you send a Private Creation to one or more people and it gets leaked?Cool, then the AI coder did get the response. And yes, I have been in such a situation. But the AI coder is still responsible for passing it around, and the passing around resulted in the leak. WHICH IS WHAT I WAS SAYING BACK THEN, AND WORD FOR WORD THIS TIME.
That's because no one said anything LIKE THIS to him:QuoteWhy is it that with your [AI Coder] it culdn't have been the same case as with "Blaque?"... ? Blaque was the same situation. The conclusion about who was responsible at the source was the same. It's the first thing that happened, Eli knew he gave it to someone who passed it. AND I DON'T SEE ELI COMING AND SHITTING HIS BLOODY TANTRUM ON ME OR ANYONE AT RS.
Byakko, YOUR POST SAID NOTHING ABOUT A TEAAM, but instead had a SINGLE [AI CODER] WHO SHARED MY ACTIONS. YOU POSTED AS IF THE [AI CODER] ("The" before that is singular) BETRAYED HIS WORD.QuoteBut do you admit tat you got the details wrong, whether it mattered or not.The details ? I didn't even look at any details, because they were irrelevant.Quotedo you believe you should have separated yur [AI coder's] role(s), or else shouldn;'t have posted at all, until "I" had explained the situation.No I don't. You were a team, of course I/we assumed you got the word whoever did the asking.
I'm FRICKIN' ASKING IF THAT CONCLUSION WOULD HAVE BEEN FAIR? IS IT, OR IS IT NOT BASED ON YOUR LANGUAGE?QuoteI didn't make an assumption.Yes you did, you concluded that it could only have been you when it didn't matter as it wasn't the point of what I was saying.
POST THE ENTIRE QUOTE. AND TELL ME WHY YOU THREW THE FIRST INSULT BYAKKO?QuoteThat's a Flat Out LIE and you know it.Oh, so you haven't been yelling at me for 12 pages... But wait, this topic doesn't last 12 pages but just 3, everything went peacefully because of your tact and talent at keeping peace. You replied peacefully the first time then just dropped the entire idea of staying calm. So you're making me laugh when you say you tried to keep the peace.
That's a Flat Out LIE and you know it.QuoteWhat are you talking about. You're teh one who came back with insults when I thought the situation was over. I was not the aggressor.You weren't doing anything to keep peace in this entire topic, that's what I'm talking about. If you say you tried to keep peace, obviously you did something wrong.
THIS WAS HOW THINGS WENT DOWN BYAKKO:
- The deleted replies reposted -hjk - Tee Hee Hee said:Was I yelling? No. What did I say, NOTHING OFFENSIVE.Baiken said:Well obviously you missed the part where it's flat-out written in the common1.cns and called it a glitch anyway !OMG Byakko, did you read that. I'm not calling that a glitch, I switched what I was talking about.
Try reading ::)
Then you come back with this when I thought the situation was over; I deleted my post right after you did... remember, why? To keep the PEACE (I even sent you a PM so you wouldn't post before knowing what my action was, but unfortunately you got the PM and posted this anyway)I blame again your complete incapacity at explaining yourself properly. And if you aknowledged that you used the wrong word and fixed it, you're really a goddamn jackass to write like you did in your previous post. Don't tell people to read your posts properly if you can't write properly.Let me say this again:
By the way, your video doesn't work for me, it goes it a fucked up spee---AND STOP PMING ME, MY EYES WORK FINE THANK YOU
- Here, my initial reply to your post featured calm, mild language (in which I just told you to read the post)... to avoid drama
- Here I deleted my post right after you did... to avoid drama
- Here, I didn't launch at you with an insult. It was more like PotS and me here:Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty- Here I sent you a PM so you would know of my action and see that I intended to... avoid drama.
I'm actually quoting you and showing post orders to prove you wrong.QuoteAHHHHH!!!! YOU'RE NOT EVEN READING MY POSTS!!!Neither are you.
Well then you need to stop "half-reading" my replieds and actuallt READ THEM.QuoteI said, my explanation ABOUT THE MAKOTO GLITCH THING was clear.I DON'T GIVE A CRAP AS THIS ISN'T WHAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
How am I dodging it. I'm the one pressing you about not considering other motives and you refuse to reply.QuoteThe explanations I am focused on WERE NOT about the "Yelling.YEAH BUT IT'S WHAT WAS TALKING ABOUT AND YOU'RE DODGING IT.
Addressed above. You're dodging again.QuoteBESIDES you did not say in your initial reply that I 'seemed like' I was yellingAlready addressed, of course I wasn't, since you looked like you were yelling, I assumed you were. I've already accepted it was a mistake PAGES AGO if you even read my posts instead of always coming back at stuff that have already been resolved. You're still a moron.
You DID NOT add in the seemed like, but said, flat out, that 'hjk was yelling.'
Next few paragraphs are full of the same stupidity courtesy of your calm, peaceful and understanding self.
Is anyone taking bets? Judging from previous discussions, I'm betting on Byakko to be one standing in the end.I am too.
Sepp, let me quote some of my posts for you:Spoiler, click to toggle visibiltySpoiler, click to toggle visibiltySpoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Hmm. How about abstracts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_(summary))?I'll be trying.
P.S. How to Win Friends and Influence People (http://www.notesofintelligence.com/influence/comprehensive-summary.html)?You're sending thsi to me? I'm not the one who insults people and thinks they won't get offended (and I’m not talking about with me).
Holy mother of fuck, 13th page...
You just failed.Hmm. How about abstracts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_(summary))?I'll be trying.
Holy mother of fuck, 13th page...
It's rather funny, but looking back through last post, most of it was taken up by quotes and requotes; as in most were requotes of myself outside of theYou just failed.Hmm. How about abstracts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_(summary))?I'll be trying.
I'm still wondering how you missed this:Where did you get the idea I missed it ? Probably from how you didn't read what I replied. I've already addressed that, next. Moron
Oh wow, two "morons" in a row... I'm crying. Tell me, WHERE was it solved?About when you accepted that you did looke like you were shouting, hence it was normal for me to think that you were shouting. I have no reason to stop and wonder what other reasons you mihgt have had when there was an obvious answer. You're still a moron.
Unlike you I post teh ENTIRE post order and ENTIRE quotes when replying to youSure, unlike me who post a direct link to the actual post in the order they are in to prove you wrong. Moron.
I'm actually quoting you and showing post orders to prove you wrong.
So wait, you can say that your postings of bad and wrong details of an event are justified.They're bad and wrong only because you want them to be. Moron.
Why is it that your [AI Coder's] actions match up directly with those I made taht you knew about?Because it's irrelevant. Also because you're a moron.
It was in reference to how I had to prove you wrong here:I said it once. So when I say "you tell that to everyone" you have to prove me wrong by showing it's the first time you do it, but when you say "you always say that" even if I said it only once, you're still the one who's right ? That's not possible, Batman !
Too bad you failed to actually reply to it. Tell me again, how does your post match Cyanide's?QuoteI'm still wondering how you missed this:Where did you get the idea I missed it ? Probably from how you didn't read what I replied. I've already addressed that, next. Moron
Way to dodge my question Byakko. Let me ask it again in the hopes that you don't dodge this time (I'll keep asking it until you actually reply).QuoteOh wow, two "morons" in a row... I'm crying. Tell me, WHERE was it solved?About when you accepted that you did looke like you were shouting, hence it was normal for me to think that you were shouting. I have no reason to stop and wonder what other reasons you mihgt have had when there was an obvious answer. You're still a moron.
Liek yo who post direct links to what? More like you who lies about what's going on, excerpts parts of my quotes to make it look like I was talking about something else, and replies to the wrong thing. More like you who posts half the stuff out of order.QuoteUnlike you I post teh ENTIRE post order and ENTIRE quotes when replying to youSure, unlike me who post a direct link to the actual post in the order they are in to prove you wrong. Moron.
I'm actually quoting you and showing post orders to prove you wrong.
"Because you want them to be"? Are you reading what you type Byakko. I've presented proof many times as to why their bad and wrong. Well I've held off mentioning old posts so far, but I'll post them again:QuoteSo wait, you can say that your postings of bad and wrong details of an event are justified.They're bad and wrong only because you want them to be. Moron.
*Oh snap, Byakko DODGES anoother one. Oh crap, but he sneaks in a mean left "moron" on hjk*QuoteWhy is it that your [AI Coder's] actions match up directly with those I made taht you knew about?Because it's irrelevant. Also because you're a moron.
I'm taking the opportunity since you ask...Woah, stopped right there. You said you were, "summing things up" meaning that you were suggesting you knew the details of teh situation, and HOLY HELL, you were WRONG (as is usual). You could have asked. I would have asked (as stated before, proof of teh fact taht iw ould have asked is in the Forum Feedback Section). Why can't you just develop that discipline?
Answer this.
Spacing for emphasize and dramatizing.
When I said "the AI coder asked and got KFM's reply", when you realized I couldn't know about the other guy in your team
What was the smarter way to go :Wow Byakko, you'e so good at dodging its not even funny.
1) you figure it's important that I should know this detail, so you point out it's not the AI coder who asked, but you, which makes a little but interesting difference
2) or go nuts about how you think I just said you were the AI coder (even though you can't be sure as I specifically did my best to avoid accusing you !) and you hound me, holding a retarded grudge for ages ?
If you replied 2, you LOSE AT LIFE, you're a HUGE moron and everything is your fault anyway no matter what you will ever say.:rofl: That's the greatest reply I've evr seen. You sound so childish.
So, no, your conclusion was not fair.:laugh4: Too bad, i actually presented WHY my conclusion actually was fiar.
And with that I think it's pretty much useless to answer anything else of your stupid bullshit.
Class, dismiss.
Thanks walt.Well let's get to the bottom of something before you make a jackass out of yourself when traveling abroad (mainly to the 'States').
I think you missed a couple of Morons so I took the liberty to add them
Oh wait, just one more :OK. You're a nerd. Then agian, I shouldn't be talking. Mugen would probably be considered pretty nerdy too... and I like it.QuoteIt was in reference to how I had to prove you wrong here:I said it once. So when I say "you tell that to everyone" you have to prove me wrong by showing it's the first time you do it, but when you say "you always say that" even if I said it only once, you're still the one who's right ? That's not possible, Batman !
For the love of databases HJK try a new approach at this 'argument'. :ninja:I believe I may have done better with this reply. :sugoi:
I think they already forgot what they were discussing ::)LOL
But wait, there's even more, Mr. Byakko then goes and tries to equate (lie about) what he said with what Mr. Cyanide said, but refuses to post actual quotes so hjk has to do it and prove him wrong, because unlike Mr. Cyanide who said, 'hjk, your post did COME OFF as shouting' where Mr. Byakko, you said plainly, no question involved, 'hjk, YOU WERE YELLING.'
*There's still more, but I'll let you post first so this part of my reply doesn't get too "tl;dr"
*I believe we've seen who the true "moron" is here *
Tell me again, how does your post match Cyanide's?Cyanide wanted you to stop talking about glitches this and glitches that everytime you had an opportunity. I said you always post in that manner, and I added, "like a jackass". Seems enough like a match. Oh and don't bother quoting this line just yet, Im quoting myself later in this post, reply to this instead. If you can, of course.
please quote the significant parts of my reply instead of shielding/dodging the restOh OF COURSE, because you want me to pay attention to the significant part of your post... But you never want to pay atetntion to the significant part of my posts. Get lost.
or even have just asked meNo, I don't believe I could have asked you. You posted in a manner that suggested you were yelling, so I assumed you were yelling. I've said that several times already, you accepted pages ago that your post did "come out as shouting". So, again and again and again, I ask you, why would it not be normal of me to assume you were yelling ?
instead of making a WRONG, HASTY definite statement?You mean in the same way that you came to the WRONG and HASTY conclusion that I was trying to accuse you back for the Yun and Kim cases ?
excerpts parts of my quotes to make it look like I was talking about something else, and replies to the wrong thing.No, that's what you're doing.
More like you who posts half the stuff out of order.I didn't post things out of order. I listed the posts from the topic one by one for the first three or four pages.
Do I need to repost teh quotes?Do I need to repost the list of posts ?
I've presented proof many times as to why their bad and wrong.You've presented YOUR understanding of it. I keep telling you you got it wrong, and not even once you stopped and wondered about why I was saying that. Not even once you tried to look at what I was talking about. Not even once you questionned yourself.
- Me correcting you for saying, I always tell people, "you don't like me," in arguments:How the fuck does that relate to anything of the discussion ?
Me proving that I tried to keep the peace by initially posting to you in a non-aggressive, by deleting my post right after you did, by sending you a PM to tell you of my action.I deleted my first post too, and you certainly did nothing to prevent any trouble after I reposted. You immediately jumped at my throat. This is nothing like "trying to keep peace". It takes two people to make a heated argument, not one.
- Me proving how you flat out LIED when comparing Cyanide's post to yours:See my first answer. And that was STILL ALREADY ADDRESSED. YOU LOOKED LIKE YOU WERE YELLING, SO I ASSUMED YOU WERE YELLING. AND NO, I HAD NO REASON TO ASK YOU FOR CONFIRMATION. You're a moron.
- Me proving that you blow things out of proportion:Says the guy who brings back topic that were solved over a year ago. Hypocrite. And moron.
(you may not meant to make your [AI Coder] such a perfect match to ME, but somehow you still did)And you're still hounding me for a mistake that you yourself made several times already. Such as the one that started this very discussion, when you posted as if yuo were yelling, remember ?
*Oh snap, Byakko DODGES anoother one.What part of "not related to the point I was making" do you not understand ? Is it really so fun to pick details that are not linked in any way to what I'm saying and use it as if it was proof I'm wrong ? It's irrelevant, THEREFORE I ignore it, obviously.
Byakko stop dodging teh question and fucking answer it.I have no reason whatsoever to answer that since it had nothing to do with the point I was making. Do you not understand the meaning of "irrelevant", perhaps ? And you yourself still haven't answered when I asked you "why do you think I avoided pointing any finger at you" either, so shut your stinking trap until you do.
You said you were, "summing things up" meaning that you were suggesting you knew the details of teh situationI don't think you even know the meaning of "summary". How would I put any detail in a summary ? The point of a summary is to ignore details. Illiterate cretin.
You could have asked.No. No reason and irrelevant to the point I was making.
Why can't you just develop that discipline?Because you post like a jackass. That certainly doesn't make anyone want to bother with any sort of details when you get so pissy about everything for no reason at all.
Wow Byakko, you'e so good at dodging its not even funny.You're not even answering, how do you call that ? Is it not dodging ? You keep saying I dodge your questions, but you do nothing to answer mine.
Let me say it again.No. Give me your answer. What you "say again" has nothing to do with what I'm asking you and you're drowning the discussino into the details of your own retarded conclusion even though I told you several times that it was irrelevant, you're just dodging it. You've already said all those things, and I've already told you it had no relevance to what I was saying. You're dodging my questions.
this thread started with YOU NOT READINGthis thread started with YOU NOT READINGNo, this thread started with me telling you to stop posting like a jackass. Here, let me quote myself, THE FIRST POST here after the ones we both deleted :
I blame again your complete incapacity at explaining yourself properly. And if you aknowledged that you used the wrong word and fixed it, you're really a goddamn jackass to write like you did in your previous post. Don't tell people to read your posts properly if you can't write properly.So does this have ANYTHING to do with your Makoto glitch ? This is what you replied to with how I didn't read about the Makoto glitch. The thing is, YOU STILL SUCK AT EXPLAINING YOURSELF AND STILL POST LIKE A JACKASS. You're still going to say I fucked up the order of events ? But this is the post about which you started going mad at me. You went on about how I didn't read your explanation on Makoto, even though I say NOTHING about Makoto. I'm speaking about how much you suck at explaining yourself and post like a jackass. So, that makes you a liar and that means you twisted the order of events.
By the way, your video doesn't work for me, it goes it a fucked up spee---AND STOP PMING ME, MY EYES WORK FINE THANK YOU
me trying to keep things peaceful by deleting my post right after and sending you a PM telling you of my actionAh, so you did ONE action that tried to keep peace, and it means "you tried to keep peace". I'm sorry, one time means nothing if you're the one who goes nuts right after. If you want to say that, then I too tried to keep peace when I deleted my own post. What about it ? I did as much as you to preserve peace, I deleted my first reply ! You delted your first reply, so you tried to keep peace ! But what about the post right after where you went batshit on me ? That's not trying to keep peace, my little mister !
but somehow you Mr. Byakko, felt the need to make an insulting post anyway, which started the drama.I posted about how you suck at explaining yourself and how you post like a jackass. You started yelling blue murder at me. Who's then one doing the drama ? Not me.
had the nerve to say to me. "you were yelling," when he could have asked or include a 'semmed like' somewhere within that.That again ? I'm PRETTY SURE this was addressed tons of times before.
because unlike Mr. Cyanide who said, 'hjk, your post did COME OFF as shouting' where Mr. Byakko, you said plainly, no question involved, 'hjk, YOU WERE YELLING.'Again and again and again, if you looked like you were yelling, it's obvious I'm going to think you were yelling. So I did.
so this part of my reply doesn't get too "tl;dr"Too late.
*I believe we've seen who the true "moron" is hereCertainly.
Too bad, i actually presented WHY my conclusion actually was fiar.No. You thought WRONGLY that I was accusing you even though I avoided giving any name. A fair conclusion was that I avoided giving any name to AVOID accusing anyone. Instead you went through twisted reasoning to figure out I was accusing you. What if the "AI coder" I was talking about could only be you ? It had nothing to do with the point I was making.
Moron is a little kid's insult. It's like the equivalent of 'butthead' here, which has no effect on anyone over the age of 11 (or, let me say, that's how it has been in the various places I've lived in the States). No really, some of your former insults had an effect (effect or affect?). Try thinking up a better one.Oh I'm sorry, I thought you didn't like insults and wanted to preserve peace, when you complained about how many insults I was throwing I figured you meant you didn't want anymore. So now you want me to let loose ? Your head is full of horseshit in the place where your brain should have been, you were born with horseshit in your skull.
1. a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment.I think that's a match with you ! So, I'm making a statement that you're a moron, and you think I'm trying to throw the biggest insult I know. Cool. You're a moron.
2. Psychology. a person of borderline intelligence in a former classification of mental retardation, having an intelligence quotient of 50 to 69.
OK. You're a nerd.Nice dodge ! No, not the car, the movement. You know, like when I'm making a statement and you reply with something completely irrelevant just to avoid accepting what it means.
I believe I may have done better with this reply.Not... Quite there.
But POTS, I thought YOU were your own godYes but you're still my number one god. :-*
Its well off time they expand into other topics, like their stances on nuclear weapons and how to solve the lack of spriters problem, or even the "DEV" situation.
OH OOOHH! I know, we could also discuss the ethics of abortion, or the racial division thing.
That would surely be effort more well spent.
I think they already forgot what they were discussing ::)
didn't he say he was sorry and you say you weren't yelling and him agree at the beginning??Oh, you and this thing, "logic"... ::)
where's the argument?
didn't he say he was sorry and you say you weren't yelling and him agree at the beginning??Oh, you and this thing, "logic"... ::)
where's the argument?
Looking at this continual fighting, no wonder Mugen is illegal in other countries.Wut? I do hope that's sarcastic.
You realise byakko never denied once that he said you were yelling. In addition, he's accepted that it wasn't your intention. Shouting = yelling. I was agreeing with what he has asserted. I may have phrased it more tactfully but i still agreed.I'm saying that you did indeed phrased it more tactfully and that is where the difference came. Your post is agreeing with his, but you added in the "came off as" whereas Byakko made a definite statement. In trying to equate what he said with what you said, he has blatantly been ignoring that fact, suggesting over and over that his post is on the point that it 'seemed like I was yelling,' when what I'm saying is that's not what HE said.
Your going on about this AI coder thing is you jumping at invisible demons. So what if what he said matches up in your mind with you. You realise you take a HELL of a lot on yourself right? You see way too many things as a personal attack. A lot of the time when someone rebuts you your response is "you don't like me do you?" when all they're really doing is pointing out flaws in whatever you're talking about.What Cyanide... since WHEN? You give me an example of where I have EVER said to anyone "you don't like me."
Byakko has said that he avoided pointing the finger at you, he didn't use your name. If the actions to a degree matched up with what you did it's beside the point. Unless he used your name and said BLATANTLY "HJK did this" you have to accept his word that he didn't mean you. He's accepted your word that you didn't mean to yell. You can't do the same why?*Before posting, you must read.* Cyanide, I know with my long posts you probably haven't read the thread, but I have said multiple times that I understand that Byakko wasn't trying to say it was me. The point I am making is that Byakko brought up the point that I don't speak clearly much f the time (and made the suggestion that that was the case here which it was not). I am bringing up the Yun thing to show him that there are times where HE does not speak clearly and am asking him, with the presentation of facts, whether or not, the conclusion that I was his [AI Coder] would have been fair or not? I'm not accusing him of saying it was mee, I'm asking him whether he would accept that if I were to conclude tha I was the [AI Coder], it would be reasonable, given his language and the details of that post?
Me and Byakko don't get on that well either but we don't have rants this bloody long...That's nice. As I said Cyanide:
Sepp, let me quote some of my posts for you:Spoiler, click to toggle visibiltySpoiler, click to toggle visibiltySpoiler, click to toggle visibilty
Cyanide: Even though you said that, I forgive you, and you're still one of my gods!Where did this coem from?
I FEEL BETRAYED, I thought i was his only God.I have a load. :(
okay so...you guys are arguing because byakko said you were yelling and now you're angered about it?I'm actually angry about that specific part, because he always replies to me as if he had said, 'it 'seemed like' you[hjk] were yelling' which is not the case. He in fact just flat-out said, 'hjk, you were yelling.'
funny=)
didn't he say he was sorry and you say you weren't yelling and him agree at the beginning??
where's the argument?
Byakko, you know that isn't the point I'm making. Maybe I'm replying too early, but teh point I'm making is that Cyanide actually added in the, 'come off like.' You on the otehr hand, failed to add in the 'come off like' and made an absolute post saying, "you were yelling," which is contrary to your recent suggestions.QuoteTell me again, how does your post match Cyanide's?Cyanide wanted you to stop talking about glitches this and glitches that everytime you had an opportunity. I said you always post in that manner, and I added, "like a jackass". Seems enough like a match. Oh and don't bother quoting this line just yet, Im quoting myself later in this post, reply to this instead. If you can, of course.
Ow wow, great reply. You've dodged it every single time I've posed it. You made an absolute post saying, "you were yelling." There is no 'seemed like' in your post as you have recently been suggesting, which means your post is not the equivalent of Cyanide's.Quoteplease quote the significant parts of my reply instead of shielding/dodging the restOh OF COURSE, because you want me to pay attention to the significant part of your post... But you never want to pay atetntion to the significant part of my posts. Get lost.
And I'm saying you could have weighed out the situation.Quoteor even have just asked meNo, I don't believe I could have asked you. You posted in a manner that suggested you were yelling, so I assumed you were yelling. I've said that several times already, you accepted pages ago that your post did "come out as shouting". So, again and again and again, I ask you, why would it not be normal of me to assume you were yelling ?
Byakko, have you even been reading my replies?Quoteinstead of making a WRONG, HASTY definite statement?You mean in the same way that you came to the WRONG and HASTY conclusion that I was trying to accuse you back for the Yun and Kim cases ?
Do I need to repost teh examples and increase my post length ten fold... AGAIN?Quoteexcerpts parts of my quotes to make it look like I was talking about something else, and replies to the wrong thing.No, that's what you're doing.
And I had to correct you.QuoteMore like you who posts half the stuff out of order.I didn't post things out of order. I listed the posts from the topic one by one for the first three or four pages.
Let's do it. You post yours and I'll post mine. Or in teh opposite rder if you'd like.QuoteDo I need to repost teh quotes?Do I need to repost the list of posts ?
No Fool. I've been showing you that your language can be just as bad as mine. You're the one that brought up, how badly I post sometimes (and tried to apply that here to teh glitch thing). I'm presenting you with cases where you have mispoken and ASKING YOU, do you think that teh cnclusions I would have made, would have been fair.QuoteI've presented proof many times as to why their bad and wrong.You've presented YOUR understanding of it. I keep telling you you got it wrong, and not even once you stopped and wondered about why I was saying that. Not even once you tried to look at what I was talking about. Not even once you questionned yourself.
I'm showing you that you like to present false facts.Quote- Me correcting you for saying, I always tell people, "you don't like me," in arguments:How the fuck does that relate to anything of the discussion ?
Are you stupid? I'm saying that initially I tried to keep the peace, but YOU ESCALATED THE SITUATION, not me. It was only after your insulting post that things got heated.QuoteMe proving that I tried to keep the peace by initially posting to you in a non-aggressive, by deleting my post right after you did, by sending you a PM to tell you of my action.I deleted my first post too, and you certainly did nothing to prevent any trouble after I reposted. You immediately jumped at my throat. This is nothing like "trying to keep peace". It takes two people to make a heated argument, not one.
You tried to equate your post with Cyanide's leaving out teh fact that you said, flat out, "hjk you were yelling" where Cyanide, tactfully said, "hjk you did come off like you were shouting." Your posts always AVOID that, and I'm trying to get you to actually add that in for once. Besides that, I',m trying to ask you whether or not you think you could have taken a better course of action and maybe in the future have you stop being so hasty.Quote- Me proving how you flat out LIED when comparing Cyanide's post to yours:See my first answer. And that was STILL ALREADY ADDRESSED. YOU LOOKED LIKE YOU WERE YELLING, SO I ASSUMED YOU WERE YELLING. AND NO, I HAD NO REASON TO ASK YOU FOR CONFIRMATION. You're a moron.
It was SOLVED? When? BTW, you know you blew it out of proportion, so sure of yourself, you culdn't even make a single click and check my profile.Quote- Me proving that you blow things out of proportion:Says the guy who brings back topic that were solved over a year ago. Hypocrite. And moron.
How are you equating these two situations?Quote(you may not meant to make your [AI Coder] such a perfect match to ME, but somehow you still did)And you're still hounding me for a mistake that you yourself made several times already. Such as the one that started this very discussion, when you posted as if yuo were yelling, remember ?
I'm saying that its RELEVANT to the point, I AM MAKING and you DODGE IT, every time I ask. You said I post badly sometimes, and i am presenting you with a situation where, you spoke badly as well.Quote*Oh snap, Byakko DODGES anoother one.What part of "not related to the point I was making" do you not understand ? Is it really so fun to pick details that are not linked in any way to what I'm saying and use it as if it was proof I'm wrong ? It's irrelevant, THEREFORE I ignore it, obviously.
'Until I do that,' ORLY? Well let's see, i've been asking the same two questions for A YEAR NOW. Youa snwer me first and I'll gladly answer your question.QuoteByakko stop dodging teh question and fucking answer it.I have no reason whatsoever to answer that since it had nothing to do with the point I was making. Do you not understand the meaning of "irrelevant", perhaps ? And you yourself still haven't answered when I asked you "why do you think I avoided pointing any finger at you" either, so shut your stinking trap until you do.
What are you talking about. Mr. master of English. The point in a summary is not to "ignore details" stupid. The point in a summary is to package the gist of your point into a concise paragraph or sentence. You basically said the same thing KFM said in a more concise post, and included at the end, you were "summing things [the situation] up." And let's not forget that you said, "In THIS case" which was the Yun case, so your language suggests that you were effectively attempting to sum the Yun case up.QuoteYou said you were, "summing things up" meaning that you were suggesting you knew the details of teh situationI don't think you even know the meaning of "summary". How would I put any detail in a summary ? The point of a summary is to ignore details. Illiterate cretin.
It's not irrelevant to MY point. My point is to show teh difference between you and I. You are consistently hasty, whereas I will actually ask people what they mean, before posting ngatively (uless they blatantly insult me).QuoteYou could have asked.No. No reason and irrelevant to the point I was making.
I get pissy? I get pissy? You're the one who jumps into other people's situations to get in your side swipe insults for no reason. My post wasn't directed at you, and you could have aked me about my motives, which is what I tend to do.QuoteWhy can't you just develop that discipline?Because you post like a jackass. That certainly doesn't make anyone want to bother with any sort of details when you get so pissy about everything for no reason at all.
You said to me, that I was yelling and made a singular interpretation of the thing. As you accepted without me having to explain, increasing text size can have more than one purpose. It can convey yelling, it can be used for emphasis, it can simply be used in order to prevent anyone from missing it, etc. as in what you said when increasing your text size here:
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg680401#msg680401I'll start writing in big, maybe you'll see.(I don't recall telling you before that that was my motive. You made that brilliant deduction on your own as I expected you to eventually)
Every time I ask you these two questions you have flipped tehm saying i'm accusing you of saying I'm you're [AI Coder] which I'm not. I'm saying you brought up the issue that my language can be bad, and I'm saying yours can b as well. I'm asking you if the conclusion that I was your [AI Coder] would have been fair given your language and the details.QuoteWow Byakko, you'e so good at dodging its not even funny.You're not even answering, how do you call that ? Is it not dodging ? You keep saying I dodge your questions, but you do nothing to answer mine.
Byakko, I've been asking you teh same questions for a year (or on your time, 4 or 5 years). Answer mien and I'll answer yours.QuoteLet me say it again.No. Give me your answer. What you "say again" has nothing to do with what I'm asking you and you're drowning the discussino into the details of your own retarded conclusion even though I told you several times that it was irrelevant, you're just dodging it. You've already said all those things, and I've already told you it had no relevance to what I was saying. You're dodging my questions.
What you said, doesn't even make sense. You tell me then, THIS QUOTE:Quotethis thread started with YOU NOT READINGthis thread started with YOU NOT READINGNo, this thread started with me telling you to stop posting like a jackass. Here, let me quote myself, THE FIRST POST here after the ones we both deleted :I blame again your complete incapacity at explaining yourself properly. And if you aknowledged that you used the wrong word and fixed it, you're really a goddamn jackass to write like you did in your previous post. Don't tell people to read your posts properly if you can't write properly.So does this have ANYTHING to do with your Makoto glitch ? This is what you replied to with how I didn't read about the Makoto glitch. The thing is, YOU STILL SUCK AT EXPLAINING YOURSELF AND STILL POST LIKE A JACKASS. You're still going to say I fucked up the order of events ? But this is the post about which you started going mad at me. You went on about how I didn't read your explanation on Makoto, even though I say NOTHING about Makoto. I'm speaking about how much you suck at explaining yourself and post like a jackass. So, that makes you a liar and that means you twisted the order of events.
By the way, your video doesn't work for me, it goes it a fucked up spee---AND STOP PMING ME, MY EYES WORK FINE THANK YOU
Well obviously you missed the part where it's flat-out written in the common1.cns and called it a glitch anyway !What exactly were you replying to, huh. Oh crap, that bars relevance to what I was saying about Makoto vs. Remy doesn't it? But, no, I'll let you explain it first so I can prove that you're a liar.
:rofl: Dude, you're an idiot. We both deleted our posts, indeed. Who was it that came back FIRST and started to post in an insulting manner, you or me? I find it laughable that you're pinning this on me when the situation should have ended with the deleted posts, but NO, you came back FIRST insulting me, and i reacted. YOU STARTED IT, not me, and you know it.Quoteme trying to keep things peaceful by deleting my post right after and sending you a PM telling you of my actionAh, so you did ONE action that tried to keep peace, and it means "you tried to keep peace". I'm sorry, one time means nothing if you're the one who goes nuts right after. If you want to say that, then I too tried to keep peace when I deleted my own post. What about it ? I did as much as you to preserve peace, I deleted my first reply ! You delted your first reply, so you tried to keep peace ! But what about the post right after where you went batshit on me ? That's not trying to keep peace, my little mister !
:rofl:Quotebut somehow you Mr. Byakko, felt the need to make an insulting post anyway, which started the drama.I posted about how you suck at explaining yourself and how you post like a jackass. You started yelling blue murder at me. Who's then one doing the drama ? Not me.
It was, and I was replying to you. ;)Quotehad the nerve to say to me. "you were yelling," when he could have asked or include a 'semmed like' somewhere within that.That again ? I'm PRETTY SURE this was addressed tons of times before.
You may have, 'thought' I was yelling, but tell m why yor post does not say that? You told me I was yelling. You DID NOT SAY, you 'thought' I was yelling. See teh difference Byakko?Quotebecause unlike Mr. Cyanide who said, 'hjk, your post did COME OFF as shouting' where Mr. Byakko, you said plainly, no question involved, 'hjk, YOU WERE YELLING.'Again and again and again, if you looked like you were yelling, it's obvious I'm going to think you were yelling. So I did.
:(Quoteso this part of my reply doesn't get too "tl;dr"Too late.
::)Quote*I believe we've seen who the true "moron" is hereCertainly.
Byakko, YOUR POST, does not say that, first of all, and I've addressed that like 50 times in this thread. What you are saying now, and what your post said, are not teh same and you know it.QuoteToo bad, i actually presented WHY my conclusion actually was fiar.No. You thought WRONGLY that I was accusing you even though I avoided giving any name. A fair conclusion was that I avoided giving any name to AVOID accusing anyone. Instead you went through twisted reasoning to figure out I was accusing you. What if the "AI coder" I was talking about could only be you ? It had nothing to do with the point I was making.
I'll put a reminded here, by the way, about what said point was : THERE WAS A RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE LEAK. And was it true or false ? It was true, since you and qwer both got KFM's reply, as you confirmed sometime ago in this topic. You yourself got the reply directly from KFM, and you confirmed earlier that qwer knew about it. OH, THAT REMINDS ME, YOU COMPLETELY DODGED THE PART WHERE THIS WAS INDEED SIMILAR TO THE BLAQUE LEAK - SOMETHING THAT WAS INITIALLY BROUGHT UP BY YOURSELF, BUT YOU COMPLETELY DODGED IT ONCE IT WAS TURNED AGAINST YOU.
You post like a child. You didn't even reply on point. BTW I'm inviting you t insult me. You want to use moron" go right on ahead. Way to FAIL at manipulating my words. I'm trying to tell you to let loose here... where the hell did I even say that ::)QuoteMoron is a little kid's insult. It's like the equivalent of 'butthead' here, which has no effect on anyone over the age of 11 (or, let me say, that's how it has been in the various places I've lived in the States). No really, some of your former insults had an effect (effect or affect?). Try thinking up a better one.Oh I'm sorry, I thought you didn't like insults and wanted to preserve peace, when you complained about how many insults I was throwing I figured you meant you didn't want anymore. So now you want me to let loose ? Your head is full of horseshit in the place where your brain should have been, you were born with horseshit in your skull.
Yeah, it's still a little weak, sorry, I'm not really used to throw so many mindless insults. I'm still training, I hope you'll teach me the insults that should be flying around.Oh no, I'm trying to get you to actually make me angry. I would love to be there when you meet some random guy in the States and call him a "moron" and he laughs the hell out of himself.
Ah, maybe you don't know the meaning of moron either.Oh wow. I can't think of any little kid's words that have the same definition ::)Quote1. a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment.I think that's a match with you ! So, I'm making a statement that you're a moron, and you think I'm trying to throw the biggest insult I know. Cool. You're a moron.
2. Psychology. a person of borderline intelligence in a former classification of mental retardation, having an intelligence quotient of 50 to 69.
Way to cut off the rest of my post.QuoteOK. You're a nerd.Nice dodge ! No, not the car, the movement. You know, like when I'm making a statement and you reply with something completely irrelevant just to avoid accepting what it means.
Damn It. :omg:QuoteI believe I may have done better with this reply.Not... Quite there.
And much thanks to Cyanide for the support.Oh yes. I replied to him too. Turned out he didn't read some replies (not that I could blame him though).
Say I was wondering if anyone besides Byakko actually reads what hjk postsByakko and Hjk are talking to each other while everyone else is spamming with unfunny comments. That sums up this thread.
I'm asking him whether he would accept that if I were to conclude tha I was the [AI Coder], it would be reasonable, given his language and the details of that post?
I'm not saying that I 'thought' it, I'm saying his language was unclear, just as he said my language tends to be. I care little for what you or anyone else who wasn't involved thought, I simply am presenting Byakko with facts that link me to his [AI Coder], and asking him undert those facts whether it would have been a fair conclusion, had I made it.QuoteI'm asking him whether he would accept that if I were to conclude tha I was the [AI Coder], it would be reasonable, given his language and the details of that post?You're trying to get him to admit to a totally hypothetical situation that mostly revolves around something you and noone else thought?
I was agreeing with him. If there were not 8 pages between my first and second posts i probably would have written "no need to shout" We all know Baiken is abrasive and maybe his post rubbed you the wrong way but somehow you've managed to write massive triple posts at gohan level of understandability to deal with 1 tiny issue.Cyanide, I'm posting on the STRICT details. The fact of the matter is that there is a clear dfference in definites between yours and Byakko's post, adnd somehow he still goes around as if he had said, 'hjk, it semmed like you were yelling.' Just read his posts.
You're quoting too much. Pick out the salient points and rebut them with well considered statements.Yeah, I agree. *My stomach starts twisting because doing that makes me feel as though my full point won't be understood. But I'll start trying it.
In addition. Baiken doesn't actually CARE if you thought you were the ai coder mentioned previously. It certainly wasn't relevant to this discussion when it started and isn't relevant now. It's a purely hypothetical thought, possibly based in insecurity.Byakko, made the point that I often speak unclearly (teh time range is uncertain. I'd have to assume ever since I've been here, but either way teh time doesn't matter). I'm presenting him with a point where he spoke unclearly.
Here's your AI coder bollocks is in short form"Only in my mind." Cyanide, you're missing the point of why I'm posing teh question in teh first place.
Did baiken think you were the ai coder: Maybe
Did he say you were the ai coder: No
When you said you weren't the ai coder did he accept this: Yes
Is there a problem: Only in your mind.
Everyone is misunderstood sometimes. In that situation, you misunderstood him. You, on your own. In this situation, i'm sure most of us thought you were yelling. I sure as hell did picking up where i left off.- Cyanide, you're missing the point of why I'm posing teh question in teh first place.
Btw: Person who made those 2 characters so i can download them and bitchslap said glitch?Don't you worry Cyanide. You'd have to get the specifc versions I had in taht vid, which I'll let out as soon as this is done.
... At least enough to convince you that what you're trying to make Baiken admit to is more than a little silly.Everything is silly. We're both emphasizing little points. I, right now, just don't care,. I'll counter evrey single thing if its wrong, because THIS TIME, I'm not going to let the guy go on, doing the same unneccessary shit, without taking away some kind of lesson.
Well, considering that all this started because Byakko called you a jackass, I would imagine the opposite would happen.Yeah, it's still a little weak, sorry, I'm not really used to throw so many mindless insults. I'm still training, I hope you'll teach me the insults that should be flying around.Oh no, I'm trying to get you to actually make me angry. I would love to be there when you meet some random guy in the States and call him a "moron" and he laughs the hell out of himself.
Actually I've found these unfunny comments as good intermissions.
It's like watching a box match and you have your comercial breaks :beam:
Byakko, you know that isn't the point I'm making.Of course, when it's the point YOU are making, you don't want me to go over it, but when it's the point I'M making, you don't give a damn.
- Why would something so minor cause me to yellBecause you always post like that when someone says something like that. You always seem like you're yelling, so we assume you're yelling everytime. This here is the only time where you pointed out that you really weren't yelling. I'm pretty sure everyone has always thought you were yelling.
- I was replying to the parts of Cyanide's posts that call out my "glitch" topics as a whole, and outlining for anyone who wanted to reply to me with stuff I already know, just why I call tehse things glitches.This has nothing to do with the first reply I made to you...
Byakko, have you even been reading my replies?Obviously I've read more of your replies than you've read of mine.
I'm simply presenting for you, a time where you have mispokenYou're really goddamn stupid. It's been cleared out RIGHT WHEN YOU SAID IT WAY BACK THEN OVER A YEAR AGO that it was a mistake of me to let you think it was you I was talking about. YOU'RE STILL OVER IT, and you STILL HAVEN'T UNDERSTOOD THAT IT NEVER WAS THE POINT. Why are you still talking about it even though you did understand I wasn't pointing the finger at you ? You're still acting as if you were butthurt over me accusing you. What the bloody hell is your point, ranting about something that was cleared out aged ago ??
would it have been fair for m to conclude that your [AI Coder] was me?I repeat : NO. You were supposed to point it out instead of immediately stopping at how you figured I was accusing you. You know I wasn't trying to, and yet you're still acting like that.
Do I need to repost teh examples and increase my post length ten fold... AGAIN?That's my line.
And I had to correct you.You had to correct me when I linked to the posts ONE BY ONE IN THE ORDER THEY ARE IN THIS TOPIC ?
I've been showing you that your language can be just as bad as mine.No. What you're showing is still YOUR understanding of it. If you knew I was missing one person, why are you acting like it was my fault ? Instead of saying it right from the beginning to avoid misunderstandings. My language made it very clear that whoever "the AI coder" was was irrelevant. You're still not getting it, and you're still acting like it matters.
I"M ASKING YOU AS I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN, GIVEN YOUR LANGUAGE DO YOU BELIEVE THAT CONCLUSION WOULD HAVE BEEN FAIR?I've already answered that. NO, IT WASN'T.
I'm showing you that you like to present false facts.You did the exact same, hypocrite. Also saying that "Byakko lies" just because I say "you say that to everyone" is really fucking retarded of you. But then again, I can't expect any better coming from a moron like you.
I'm saying that initially I tried to keep the peace, but YOU ESCALATED THE SITUATION, not me.One post isn't "an escalation". You're the one who has been constantly yelling at me throughout this topic, so don't you dare claim that you did anything to "keep the peace". I did the same thing when I deleted my own reply, and you accuse only me when you're the one who's been yelling at me all along ?
It was only after your insulting post that things got heated.My "insulting post" was pointing out that you explained yourself badly and that you were yelling. And it's normal for me to say "you're yelling" because you did look like you were yelling. You're the one who went nuts over it.
You tried to equate your post with Cyanide'sCyanide confirmed that he was saying the same thing as me "only with more tact".
leaving out teh fact that you said, flat out, "hjk you were yelling" where Cyanide, tactfully said, "hjk you did come off like you were shouting."I had no goddamn reason to say anything other than "you're yelling". I had no goddamn reason to ask you. You looked like you were yelling, therefore I assumed you were yelling. Turned out it was wrong, but you still looked like you were yelling.
Besides that, I',m trying to ask you whether or not you think you could have taken a better course of action and maybe in the future have you stop being so hasty.The only thing I could have done better is the attitude, but that's a given. But no, I had no reason to ask "are you yelling". I had a perfectly valid reason to think that you were yelling, thus I had a perfectly valid reason to say "you're yelling".
It was SOLVED? When?Let me think - back when you pointed out that the guy who made the AI wasn't you but qwer ?
so sure of yourself, you culdn't even make a single click and check my profile.The database is known for having had a few hiccups - the registration date given in the profile of my old "Byakko" account is fucked up, for example. And I'm quite certain that at least one of the events happened back when I was in college, which was before December 2006. I didn't do all those old arguments when I was at my job back in the first half of 2007, simply because I couldn't.
Plus how's that blown ot of proprtion.You've been holding a retarded grudge over a MINOR AND IRRELEVANT detail for over a year and a half. That's what you call blowing things out of proportions.
Get the meaning of your English phrases downGet the meaning of your own posting down, stupid fool, you already admitted that your initial reply to Cyanide looked like you were yelling when it's not what you intended. Unlike you, I know exactly what I say and how it may look.
How are you equating these two situations?You explain yourself improperly and you understand improperly what you're told. The situations are the same.
You made a conclusion taht I was yelling based on no reasonable factYou admitted that your post looked like you were yelling. That's a very reasonable excuse to assume you were yelling. When someone looks like he's yelling, it's perfectly normal to think he's yelling.
Do you or do you not believe that given your language, that it would have been reasonable for me to conclude taht Iw as your [AI Coder]? That is teh question.No, it was not a reasonable conclusion, since you knew it was someone else, a data I didn't have - and a data that didn't even matter !
Since You brought up that I speak, badly sometimes, i'm asking you d you feel as though you may have spoken badly in that situation.I don't. My post made it very clear that the identity of the coder was irrelevant, precisely because I kept making a shortcut as "the AI coder" instead of giving any name. Whoever coded and whoever asked, it was irrelevant, since the coder did get the answer.
I'm saying that its RELEVANT to the point, I AM MAKING and you DODGE ITYou're a fucking imbecile. Can you read or not ? You just quoted my reply to that : "It's irrelevant, THEREFORE I ignore it, obviously."
and i am presenting you with a situation where, you spoke badly as well.You are presenting a situation that YOU did not understand properly. Like you do all the time when someone is doing any comment on what you say.
ORLY? Well let's see, i've been asking the same two questions for A YEAR NOW.I've been answering them for over a year. ou just don't understand the reply because you're a moron.
- Why do your [AI Coder's] (a single person's) action match up so closely to mineBecause it doesn't matter and because nobody pointed out there were two persons back then when I said that. AND BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MATTER WHEN I SAID IT.
Do you not believe that if I had made that conclusion, that it would have been fair?No, your conclusion was not fair. You knew about qwer and I didn't, and you're the one who is stopping at an irrelevant detail of what I said. Your conclusion was definitely not fair.
1. a comprehensive and usually brief abstract, recapitulation, or compendium of previously stated facts or statements.1, 2 and 4 fit perfectly. Especially 4. And MORE PARTICULARLY considering that nobody even knew about qwer at that point.
–adjective
2. brief and comprehensive; concise.
3. direct and prompt; unceremoniously fast: to treat someone with summary dispatch.
4. (of legal proceedings, jurisdiction, etc.) conducted without, or exempt from, the various steps and delays of a formal trial.
*Wow Byakko. On how many levels does your arrogance cloud your judgeent?**Wow hjk. On how many levels does your arrogance cloud your judgement?*
It's not irrelevant to MY point.Of coursed, we're discussing the meaning of what I said, but it's your point that matter ? No, what matters is the meaning of what I said. And your comment was and still is irrelevant to it.
You're the one who jumps into other people's situations to get in your side swipe insults for no reason.I don't see why I shouldn't. And the "for no reason" is again your own vision of it. There was a reason to it.
Besides, here's a conclusion, AGIAN, that you came to on your own. Why couldnt you apply this to my first post, instead of being hasty:Still irrelevant. You looked like you were yelling even though you weren't, that means you expressed yourself improperly. I'm posting like I'm yelling... Wait, I'm not posting like I'm yelling, I'm pointing out very clearly what I'm doing. You look like you were yelling because of the constant size change. Mine wasn't a constant size change / bold / caps lock / "OMG HOW DARE YOU INSINUATE I DON'T READ".
Byakko, I've been asking you teh same questions for a year (or on your time, 4 or 5 years). Answer mien and I'll answer yours.I did, your turn.
What exactly were you replying to, huh. Oh crap, that bars relevance to what I was saying about Makoto vs. Remy doesn't it? But, no, I'll let you explain it first so I can prove that you're a liar.Yeah, IF ONLY THAT COULD BE THE REASON WHY I DELETED MY FIRST POST... Oh crap ! That was one of the numerous questions you never answered, and I just blew the answer ! Well I'll be damned if you catch me doing this again !
Who was it that came back FIRST and started to post in an insulting manner, you or me?First ? I'm the one who said you posted like a jackass and still couldn't express yourself properly. You took it like I just killed your mother and you went batshit on me.
You are quite the liar.What I said is perfectly true. I posted about how you suck at expressing yourself, and how you post like a jackass. That's still true, and this is not "drama". That's a comment. You're the one who went on with the drama, yelling at me.
You told me I was yelling. You DID NOT SAY, you 'thought' I was yelling. See teh difference Byakko?Yes, perfectly. You post like you're yelling => I think you're yelling => I say you're yelling. I've never denied that, and you're still a stupid moron.
Byakko, YOUR POST, does not say that. What you are saying now, and what your post said, are not teh same and you know it.Yes it does, you stupid moron. What I said back then is exactly what I'm saying right now and you know it.
The Blaque thing turned against me? Where did it turn against me?Approximately when I pointed that, yes exactly, it was a similar situation with Blaque, but that, precisely, Eli isn't screaming at me or anyone, whereas you are. This shows how you're blowing things out of proportions and can't recognize resonsibility.
*I thought I replied to it, and you didn't reply to me. You might want to try going through the thread again, and see where I replied before posting random nonsense*No you didn't reply. You're saying the AI coder could only have been you. I'm saying, so what.
You didn't even reply on point.That makes no sense in English so I'm sorry but I have no witty respond to that : I don't understand what you're saying, you know, since you suck at explaining yourself.
I'm trying to tell you to let loose here... where the hell did I even say that... ? Okay you're stupid.
Oh no, I'm trying to get you to actually make me angry.Eh ? I think you've said a few times in this topic such as "oh now I'm angry" "oh you have no idea how much I'm mad at you", things like that.
I would love to be there when you meet some random guy in the States and call him a "moron" and he laughs the hell out of himself.That'll pretty much prove my point, so I don't really see anything in having a moron laugh at me.
You mean like when I'VE PROVEN that you've excerpted my posts and replied to the wrong thing.I haven't seen any proof. I mean, actual proof, not your own misinterpretations.
You mean when you post false facts, especially about how this thread started.This thread startd like that :
Turned out he didn't read some repliesHe got a far better idea of the whole picture that you.
I'm saying his language was unclearIt wasn't unclear. DUDE, YOU KNEW THAT QWER WAS THE ONE WHO DID IT, YOU KNEW I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT HIM, YET YOU'RE STILL BULLSHITTING ME THAT YOUR CONCLUSION WAS FAIR. NO, IT SURE AS HELL WAS NOT.
whereas I'm saying, 'I said all thay I meant here.'Your posted looked like you were yelling, Therefore, no, what you posted isn't what you meant.
The fact of the matter is that there is a clear dfference in definites between yours and Byakko's post, adnd somehow he still goes around as if he had said, 'hjk, it semmed like you were yelling.' Just read his posts.You're a stupid imbecile. No, I'm not still posting "as if what I first said was "you seem like you're yelling". I've acceptd it back in the third or fourth page that I said you were yelling and it was untrue. You'd know that if your comprehension wasn't jammed by your massive stupidity.
And Woah, stop yourself. Don't analyze me with something like that (insecurity)Yet I thought I saw that word somewhere in your discussion with Sepp.
wait so...byakko is baiken???o_O
The funny thing is that hjk has been calling me Byakko all alo- oh wait, nobody reads him.Isn't it sad, hjk?
The funny thing is that hjk has been calling me Byakko all alo- oh wait, nobody reads him.
wait so...byakko is baiken???
Reversaldef and hitdef cannot be active on the same tickWell these 2 are in the readme as known issues. The hold down start one is just plain wierd though.
hitoverride does not allow hitdefs with p2stateno to hit it.
The hold down start one is just plain wierd though.Can you elaborate on this one? I can't get it to happen.
Ya, see unlike Byakko, I'm not posting to people who are NOT INVOLVED in the argument, I'm posting to directly him. Actively trying to post to make others take my side, would bring on my biggest fear, that i was not being honest about a situation, both to myself and them, (that's the truth mind you) and I could possibly end up manipulating facts and posting to exclusively make myslef look good.The funny thing is that hjk has been calling me Byakko all alo- oh wait, nobody reads him.Isn't it sad, hjk?
Hands up all people who thought hjk was yelling?Hands up, to those WHO ACTUALLY SAID, they "thought" I was yelling.
Hands up all people who thought Baiken was talking about him 2 years ago
Bonus points if you even bothered to read the topic and remember it from 2 years ago.I was there, so "I" will raise my hand seeing that I was directly involved.
As to the *cough*glitch*cough* You've edited them? You realise you could have caused the mistake yourself right? And it's nothing whatsoever to do with mugen. In fact, i will now list the glitches in mugen that i know of.Cyanide, Cyanide, Cyanide... are you condescending me?
So you just absolutely refuse to develop that certain discipline to ask people what they mean, before you post, indefinitely that, 'hjk you were yelling.' You're just plain ridiculous.QuoteByakko, you know that isn't the point I'm making.Of course, when it's the point YOU are making, you don't want me to go over it, but when it's the point I'M making, you don't give a damn.
Of course I said "you're yelling". You looked like you were yelling, so I thought you were yelling.
There, if you want to quote something, quote THAT.
And no, there was no reason for me to ask.
You said to me, that I was yelling and made a singular interpretation of the thing. As you accepted without me having to explain, increasing text size can have more than one purpose. It can convey yelling, it can be used for emphasis, it can simply be used in order to prevent anyone from missing it, etc. as in what you said when increasing your text size here:(Actually answer this, this time) Tell me with your acknowledgement that people have more than one single motive for posting in BIG, why did you automatically subject me to the negative one, instead of weighing everything out?
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg680401#msg680401I'll start writing in big, maybe you'll see.(I don't recall telling you before that that was my motive. You made that brilliant deduction on your own as I expected you to eventually)
Byakko, that's complete crap. No one has ever accused me of yelling before, because everyone understood in the past that I had a terrible post style as a whole... you knew that, you said that, and you still hastily jumped to a conclusion that was wrong.Quote- Why would something so minor cause me to yellBecause you always post like that when someone says something like that. You always seem like you're yelling, so we assume you're yelling everytime. This here is the only time where you pointed out that you really weren't yelling. I'm pretty sure everyone has always thought you were yelling.
Because you always post like that when someone says something like that. You always seem like you're yelling, so we assume you're yelling everytime. This here is the only time where you pointed out that you really weren't yelling.Let me just isolate this part so I can reply that you are again posting false facts. No one has ever accused me of yelling at them Byakko, so of course this would have been the first time I I actually pointed ut that I wasn't yelling.
Then explain what EXACTLY, what your first two replies, the deleted one, and teh one you came back and posted, were addressing.Quote- I was replying to the parts of Cyanide's posts that call out my "glitch" topics as a whole, and outlining for anyone who wanted to reply to me with stuff I already know, just why I call tehse things glitches.This has nothing to do with the first reply I made to you...
Sure you have. That's why I quote your replies in FULL and answer them while you tke out little bits then answer the wrong thing or else pretend like your answering them, for teh people on the outside reading this topic.QuoteByakko, have you even been reading my replies?Obviously I've read more of your replies than you've read of mine.
It was never cleared Byakko. That's why I've said, "I've been asking you these two questions FOR A YEAR!!"QuoteI'm simply presenting for you, a time where you have mispokenYou're really goddamn stupid. It's been cleared out RIGHT WHEN YOU SAID IT WAY BACK THEN OVER A YEAR AGO that it was a mistake of me to let you think it was you I was talking about. YOU'RE STILL OVER IT, and you STILL HAVEN'T UNDERSTOOD THAT IT NEVER WAS THE POINT. Why are you still talking about it even though you did understand I wasn't pointing the finger at you ? You're still acting as if you were butthurt over me accusing you. What the bloody hell is your point, ranting about something that was cleared out aged ago ??
Byakko, what? I didn't stop at how you were accusing me. I've been trying to get you see to see that you could have worded that post a lot better.Quotewould it have been fair for m to conclude that your [AI Coder] was me?I repeat : NO. You were supposed to point it out instead of immediately stopping at how you figured I was accusing you. You know I wasn't trying to, and yet you're still acting like that.
Sure it is. That's why you've been manipulating facts throughout this thread.QuoteDo I need to repost teh examples and increase my post length ten fold... AGAIN?That's my line.
- When you tried to mess up the order of how this thing turned into an argumentQuoteAnd I had to correct you.You had to correct me when I linked to the posts ONE BY ONE IN THE ORDER THEY ARE IN THIS TOPIC ?
You miseed 2 people first of all ;). Second, of course it matters. You want to present to me that throughout my time here I've posted badly in situations, and I am not allowed to present you with times where you ahve posted badly while not watching your words. It is relevant to MY POINT, which is teh same as yours to me.QuoteI've been showing you that your language can be just as bad as mine.No. What you're showing is still YOUR understanding of it. If you knew I was missing one person, why are you acting like it was my fault ? Instead of saying it right from the beginning to avoid misunderstandings. My language made it very clear that whoever "the AI coder" was was irrelevant. You're still not getting it, and you're still acting like it matters.
Give me WHY, it wasn't. Ive presented you with why it was fair, you have ignored teh facts that I've posted, only to say, "No it wasn't."QuoteI"M ASKING YOU AS I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN, GIVEN YOUR LANGUAGE DO YOU BELIEVE THAT CONCLUSION WOULD HAVE BEEN FAIR?I've already answered that. NO, IT WASN'T.
See it's funny. If you present false facts and state themn as definites YOU ARE LYING. You might want to actually have something to back up your facts with, before pulling that crap out of your ass.QuoteI'm showing you that you like to present false facts.You did the exact same, hypocrite. Also saying that "Byakko lies" just because I say "you say that to everyone" is really fucking retarded of you. But then again, I can't expect any better coming from a moron like you.
So you just absolutely refuse to develop that certain discipline to ask people what they mean, before you post, indefinitelt that, 'hjk you were yelling.' You're just plain ridiculous.QuoteByakko, you know that isn't the point I'm making.Of course, when it's the point YOU are making, you don't want me to go over it, but when it's the point I'M making, you don't give a damn.
Of course I said "you're yelling". You looked like you were yelling, so I thought you were yelling.
There, if you want to quote something, quote THAT.
And no, there was no reason for me to ask.
You said to me, that I was yelling and made a singular interpretation of the thing. As you accepted without me having to explain, increasing text size can have more than one purpose. It can convey yelling, it can be used for emphasis, it can simply be used in order to prevent anyone from missing it, etc. as in what you said when increasing your text size here:(Actually answer this, this time) Tell me with your acknowledgement that people have more than one single motive for posting in BIG, why did you automatically subject me to teh negative one, instead of weighing everything out?
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg680401#msg680401I'll start writing in big, maybe you'll see.(I don't recall telling you before that that was my motive. You made that brilliant deduction on your own as I expected you to eventually)
Byakko, that's complete crap. No one has ever accused me of yelling before, because everyone understood in the past that I had a terrible post style as a whole... you knew that, you said that, and you still hastily jumped to a conclusion that was wrong.Quote- Why would something so minor cause me to yellBecause you always post like that when someone says something like that. You always seem like you're yelling, so we assume you're yelling everytime. This here is the only time where you pointed out that you really weren't yelling. I'm pretty sure everyone has always thought you were yelling.
Because you always post like that when someone says something like that. You always seem like you're yelling, so we assume you're yelling everytime. This here is the only time where you pointed out that you really weren't yelling.Let me just isolate this part so I can reply that you are again posting false facts. No one has ever accused me of yelling at them Byakko, so of course this would have been the first time I I actually pointed ut that I wasn't yelling.
Then explain what EXACTLY, what your first two replies, the deleted one, and teh one you came back and posted, were addressing.Quote- I was replying to the parts of Cyanide's posts that call out my "glitch" topics as a whole, and outlining for anyone who wanted to reply to me with stuff I already know, just why I call tehse things glitches.This has nothing to do with the first reply I made to you...
Sure you have. That's why I quote your replies in FULL and answer them while you tke out little bits then answer the wrong thing or else pretend like your answering them, for teh people on the outside reading this topic.QuoteByakko, have you even been reading my replies?Obviously I've read more of your replies than you've read of mine.
It was never cleared Byakko. That's why I've said, "I've been asking you these two questions FOR A YEAR!!"QuoteI'm simply presenting for you, a time where you have mispokenYou're really goddamn stupid. It's been cleared out RIGHT WHEN YOU SAID IT WAY BACK THEN OVER A YEAR AGO that it was a mistake of me to let you think it was you I was talking about. YOU'RE STILL OVER IT, and you STILL HAVEN'T UNDERSTOOD THAT IT NEVER WAS THE POINT. Why are you still talking about it even though you did understand I wasn't pointing the finger at you ? You're still acting as if you were butthurt over me accusing you. What the bloody hell is your point, ranting about something that was cleared out aged ago ??
Byakko, what? I didn't stop at how you were accusing me. I've been trying to get you see to see that you could have worded that post a lot better.Quotewould it have been fair for m to conclude that your [AI Coder] was me?I repeat : NO. You were supposed to point it out instead of immediately stopping at how you figured I was accusing you. You know I wasn't trying to, and yet you're still acting like that.
Sure it is. That's why you've been manipulating facts throughout this thread.QuoteDo I need to repost teh examples and increase my post length ten fold... AGAIN?That's my line.
- When you tried to mess up the order of how this thing turned into an argumentQuoteAnd I had to correct you.You had to correct me when I linked to the posts ONE BY ONE IN THE ORDER THEY ARE IN THIS TOPIC ?
You miseed 2 people first of all ;). Second, of course it matters. You want to present to me that throughout my time here I've posted badly in situations, and I am not allowed to present you with times where you ahve posted badly while not watching your words. It is relevant to MY POINT, which is teh same as yours to me.QuoteI've been showing you that your language can be just as bad as mine.No. What you're showing is still YOUR understanding of it. If you knew I was missing one person, why are you acting like it was my fault ? Instead of saying it right from the beginning to avoid misunderstandings. My language made it very clear that whoever "the AI coder" was was irrelevant. You're still not getting it, and you're still acting like it matters.
Give me WHY, it wasn't. Ive presented you with why it was fair, you have ignored teh facts that I've posted, only to say, "No it wasn't."QuoteI"M ASKING YOU AS I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN, GIVEN YOUR LANGUAGE DO YOU BELIEVE THAT CONCLUSION WOULD HAVE BEEN FAIR?I've already answered that. NO, IT WASN'T.
You're so damn stupid. ONE POST (YOUR POST) WAS THE ESCALATION POINT AND YOU KNOW IT.QuoteI'm saying that initially I tried to keep the peace, but YOU ESCALATED THE SITUATION, not me.One post isn't "an escalation". You're the one who has been constantly yelling at me throughout this topic, so don't you dare claim that you did anything to "keep the peace". I did the same thing when I deleted my own reply, and you accuse only me when you're the one who's been yelling at me all along ?
Oh no, Byakko. You were wrng in both of those identifications. And yes, I gt angry because you insulted me, when it was totally uncalled for. How many people have told you to fucking stop it? I know I'm not the only one. I bet TDS and walt could back me up on that. But ya know, somehow you refuse to make that change and I end up wondering why?QuoteIt was only after your insulting post that things got heated.My "insulting post" was pointing out that you explained yourself badly and that you were yelling. And it's normal for me to say "you're yelling" because you did look like you were yelling. You're the one who went nuts over it.
And taht's what i'm highlighting. THE STRICT FACT IS, Cyanideadded in the 'seemed like,' whereas you have been suggesting you added in the, 'seemed like,' when you blatantly said, 'hjk, you were yelling.' no 'seemed like included. THAT IS TEH STRICT FACT, is iit not? (Don't ddge, just answer.)QuoteYou tried to equate your post with Cyanide'sCyanide confirmed that he was saying the same thing as me "only with more tact".
Thank You, for truly admitting it was wrong. I'll say this though, you did have a reason to ask because, as you know, I have great respect for Cyanide. Secondly, Cyanide didn't insult me, and I don't post insults, unless they're reactionary. Byakko, just promise me this, please, justQuoteleaving out teh fact that you said, flat out, "hjk you were yelling" where Cyanide, tactfully said, "hjk you did come off like you were shouting."I had no goddamn reason to say anything other than "you're yelling". I had no goddamn reason to ask you. You looked like you were yelling, therefore I assumed you were yelling. Turned out it was wrong, but you still looked like you were yelling.
Answered AboveQuoteBesides that, I',m trying to ask you whether or not you think you could have taken a better course of action and maybe in the future have you stop being so hasty.The only thing I could have done better is the attitude, but that's a given. But no, I had no reason to ask "are you yelling". I had a perfectly valid reason to think that you were yelling, thus I had a perfectly valid reason to say "you're yelling".
No Byakko, I'm not even talking about that. I'm simply asking you why your [AI Coder] whom you suggest betrayed his word to KFM, matches himself with ME? I mean you posted that, before you actually knew the details. *short post -> happy hjk ;D*QuoteIt was SOLVED? When?Let me think - back when you pointed out that the guy who made the AI wasn't you but qwer ?
LOL :sugoi:Quoteso sure of yourself, you culdn't even make a single click and check my profile.The database is known for having had a few hiccups - the registration date given in the profile of my old "Byakko" account is fucked up, for example. And I'm quite certain that at least one of the events happened back when I was in college, which was before December 2006. I didn't do all those old arguments when I was at my job back in the first half of 2007, simply because I couldn't.
1.3 != 1.5 Anywho, you really should say it isn't worthy of being discussed for so long, but teh REASOn, why I'm bringing it up, is to counter your argument that I always (maybe I'll be lenient and say tend to) speak badly, with a time where you yourself have done so as well.QuotePlus how's that blown ot of proprtion.You've been holding a retarded grudge over a MINOR AND IRRELEVANT detail for over a year and a half. That's what you call blowing things out of proportions.
Way to ignore teh rest of teh quote Byakko. You wre WRONG... again. Quote teh ENTIRE thing and stop trying to LIE.QuoteGet the meaning of your English phrases downGet the meaning of your own posting down, stupid fool, you already admitted that your initial reply to Cyanide looked like you were yelling when it's not what you intended. Unlike you, I know exactly what I say and how it may look.
But, I didn’t explain myself improperly. I’ve said everything I’ve intended to and I’ve been understood as well. Additionally, I post WHY, I get the interpretations I do from your posts.QuoteHow are you equating these two situations?You explain yourself improperly and you understand improperly what you're told. The situations are the same.
But unlike you, I ask to make sure. And by the way, stop adding in the word “think” when you know that;s not what your post said. Also, why couldn’t your post I’m replying to now have been, “When someone looks like they are trying to emphasize something, it's perfectly normal to think he's emphasizing.” or “When someone looks like they want something to be seen, it's perfectly normal to think they want something to be seen.”?QuoteYou made a conclusion taht I was yelling based on no reasonable factYou admitted that your post looked like you were yelling. That's a very reasonable excuse to assume you were yelling. When someone looks like he's yelling, it's perfectly normal to think he's yelling.
You said to me, that I was yelling and made a singular interpretation of the thing. As you accepted without me having to explain, increasing text size can have more than one purpose. It can convey yelling, it can be used for emphasis, it can simply be used in order to prevent anyone from missing it, etc. as in what you said when increasing your text size here:
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg680401#msg680401I'll start writing in big, maybe you'll see.(I don't recall telling you before that that was my motive. You made that brilliant deduction on your own as I expected you to eventually)
You should have asked instead of presenting it like you knew what went on in the situation. Do you ralize that yet?QuoteDo you or do you not believe that given your language, that it would have been reasonable for me to conclude taht Iw as your [AI Coder]? That is teh question.No, it was not a reasonable conclusion, since you knew it was someone else, a data I didn't have - and a data that didn't even matter !
THEN GIVE ME THE ANSWER TO:QuoteSince You brought up that I speak, badly sometimes, i'm asking you d you feel as though you may have spoken badly in that situation.I don't. My post made it very clear that the identity of the coder was irrelevant, precisely because I kept making a shortcut as "the AI coder" instead of giving any name. Whoever coded and whoever asked, it was irrelevant, since the coder did get the answer.
It’s irrelevant to whom, you. It’s relevant to MY POINT, is it not?QuoteI'm saying that its RELEVANT to the point, I AM MAKING and you DODGE ITYou're a fucking imbecile. Can you read or not ? You just quoted my reply to that : "It's irrelevant, THEREFORE I ignore it, obviously."
I’ve presented you with facts whereas you post words with no substantiating evidence to prove you right. I’ve explained to you, that had I actually made the conclusion, that it would have been unavoidable because:Quoteand i am presenting you with a situation where, you spoke badly as well.You are presenting a situation that YOU did not understand properly. Like you do all the time when someone is doing any comment on what you say.
You’ve been dodging them for a year. You say, “its irrelevant” r “it doesn’t matter” Are those actual answer to the questions I’m posing… No.QuoteORLY? Well let's see, i've been asking the same two questions for A YEAR NOW.I've been answering them for over a year. ou just don't understand the reply because you're a moron.
. You just didn’t wait for me to make my FIRST reply, before you tried to “sum things up” as if you knew the facts.Quote- Why do your [AI Coder's] (a single person's) action match up so closely to mineBecause it doesn't matter and because nobody pointed out there were two persons back then when I said that. AND BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MATTER WHEN I SAID IT.
But the thing is your post pretty much suggests you were pointing at me. And the thing also is that YOU DIDN’T WAIT for me to make MY FIRST POST explaining the details, bfore you decided you could “sum things up.”QuoteDo you not believe that if I had made that conclusion, that it would have been fair?No, your conclusion was not fair. You knew about qwer and I didn't, and you're the one who is stopping at an irrelevant detail of what I said. Your conclusion was definitely not fair.Quote1. a comprehensive and usually brief abstract, recapitulation, or compendium of previously stated facts or statements.1, 2 and 4 fit perfectly. Especially 4. And MORE PARTICULARLY considering that nobody even knew about qwer at that point.
–adjective
2. brief and comprehensive; concise.
3. direct and prompt; unceremoniously fast: to treat someone with summary dispatch.
4. (of legal proceedings, jurisdiction, etc.) conducted without, or exempt from, the various steps and delays of a formal trial.
Let’s see:Quote*Wow Byakko. On how many levels does your arrogance cloud your judgeent?**Wow hjk. On how many levels does your arrogance cloud your judgement?*
What, Byakko? You ever heard of something called a counter in an argument?QuoteIt's not irrelevant to MY point.Of coursed, we're discussing the meaning of what I said, but it's your point that matter ? No, what matters is the meaning of what I said. And your comment was and still is irrelevant to it.
So wait, I and others have told you many times to stop jumping in with insults and just post and you refuse? Why?QuoteYou're the one who jumps into other people's situations to get in your side swipe insults for no reason.I don't see why I shouldn't. And the "for no reason" is again your own vision of it. There was a reason to it.
What Byakko? First of all, you posted in big and applied an interoretation to yourself, which you failed to for me. Second of all, the words that you’re putting into my mouth are FALSE, and you know it.QuoteBesides, here's a conclusion, AGIAN, that you came to on your own. Why couldnt you apply this to my first post, instead of being hasty:Still irrelevant. You looked like you were yelling even though you weren't, that means you expressed yourself improperly. I'm posting like I'm yelling... Wait, I'm not posting like I'm yelling, I'm pointing out very clearly what I'm doing. You look like you were yelling because of the constant size change. Mine wasn't a constant size change / bold / caps lock / "OMG HOW DARE YOU INSINUATE I DON'T READ".
No, you DODGED. I don’t have to ask it again.QuoteByakko, I've been asking you teh same questions for a year (or on your time, 4 or 5 years). Answer mien and I'll answer yours.I did, your turn.
YOU DODGED THE QUSTION… AGAIN.QuoteWhat exactly were you replying to, huh. Oh crap, that bars relevance to what I was saying about Makoto vs. Remy doesn't it? But, no, I'll let you explain it first so I can prove that you're a liar.Yeah, IF ONLY THAT COULD BE THE REASON WHY I DELETED MY FIRST POST... Oh crap ! That was one of the numerous questions you never answered, and I just blew the answer ! Well I'll be damned if you catch me doing this again !
No, this thread started with me telling you to stop posting like a jackass. Here, let me quote myself, THE FIRST POST here after the ones we both deleted :What you said, doesn't even make sense. You tell me then, THIS QUOTE:I blame again your complete incapacity at explaining yourself properly. And if you aknowledged that you used the wrong word and fixed it, you're really a goddamn jackass to write like you did in your previous post. Don't tell people to read your posts properly if you can't write properly.So does this have ANYTHING to do with your Makoto glitch ? This is what you replied to with how I didn't read about the Makoto glitch. The thing is, YOU STILL SUCK AT EXPLAINING YOURSELF AND STILL POST LIKE A JACKASS. ... You went on about how I didn't read your explanation on Makoto, even though I say NOTHING about Makoto. ...
By the way, your video doesn't work for me, it goes it a fucked up spee---AND STOP PMING ME, MY EYES WORK FINE THANK YOU
Well obviously you missed the part where it's flat-out written in the common1.cns and called it a glitch anyway !So let’s interpret that shall we. You ‘seem to be’ saying that the reason that you ended up making an irrelevant and wrong post about the glitch thing, was because I, “explained myself badly.” Your original post said, “Well obviously you missed the part where it's flat-out written in the common1.cns and called it a glitch anyway !” which was on the same point Cyanide was explaining about the Makoto thing being a “wake-up” glitch. Now if my interpretation of your post where you blame me, for not speaking properly is correct, then you are WRONG, because before you even posted, I had in my post about why I call things glitches, that I mislabeled the Makoto thing and had changed what I was talking about to a general recover glitch. Your reply about the common1.cns was irrelevant and wrong.
The situation was that you were WRONG, could’t admit to it, and while I tried to keep things civil you insulted me. You even admitted that you insulted me, and justified it saying that, “I deserved it.” It’s right here (actually multiple times):QuoteWho was it that came back FIRST and started to post in an insulting manner, you or me?First ? I'm the one who said you posted like a jackass and still couldn't express yourself properly. You took it like I just killed your mother and you went batshit on me.
Also, what you're quoting of me still stands, your question doesn't change anything about it. Also, what you're quoting of me still stands, your question doesn't change anything about it.
Is it false ? You were saying just before my post that you have a problem with explaining yourself and labeling things. How does it become false when I say it ? And if it's not false, why would I apologize about it ?
Yeah, I insulted you. because you deserve it.
I decide what I say. I decided that you deserved being called a jackass.
Uh. Other people have agreed that you deserve it, and other people have confirmed that you came across as a jackass.
Now who am I to decide who deserve me calling them a moron or a jackass ? Well, I decide what I say to people, so I'm pretty sure I'm in fine position to decide who I am going to call a moron or a jackass.
You may question my judgement on calling you a jackass, but so far other people including your God have confirmed my conclusion, so apparently my judgement was fine. Ergo, you deserved it.
Oh please Byakko. I repeat (the details are above), you are quite the liar.QuoteYou are quite the liar.What I said is perfectly true. I posted about how you suck at expressing yourself, and how you post like a jackass. That's still true, and this is not "drama". That's a comment. You're the one who went on with the drama, yelling at me.
Yeah, but you have been trying to make it seem like you posted as if you said, ‘hjk, you ’seem like’ you were yelling, and you didn’t post that now did you?QuoteYou told me I was yelling. You DID NOT SAY, you 'thought' I was yelling. See teh difference Byakko?Yes, perfectly. You post like you're yelling => I think you're yelling => I say you're yelling. I've never denied that, and you're still a stupid moron.
You’re full of crap. Quote your own posts TOGETHER, and you’ll undeniable realize there’s a difference. Post my full quotes as well, Thank You.QuoteByakko, YOUR POST, does not say that. What you are saying now, and what your post said, are not teh same and you know it.Yes it does, you stupid moron. What I said back then is exactly what I'm saying right now and you know it.
And that’s my reply as to why Eli didn’t post anything, BUT, I’m not Eli in the first place. See the thing is though, your posts to Eli, never suggested that you knew the details and it never put actions onto Eli that he iddn’t commit. I’m saying your post made it look like the [AI Coder], with whom I most identify, betrayed his word and youw ere wrong.QuoteThe Blaque thing turned against me? Where did it turn against me?Approximately when I pointed that, yes exactly, it was a similar situation with Blaque, but that, precisely, Eli isn't screaming at me or anyone, whereas you are. This shows how you're blowing things out of proportions and can't recognize resonsibility.Quote*I thought I replied to it, and you didn't reply to me. You might want to try going through the thread again, and see where I replied before posting random nonsense*No you didn't reply. You're saying the AI coder could only have been you. I'm saying, so what.
In every language there is something called ‘slang.’ You understood what I I was saying when I used the ‘slang,’ so now, what’s left to do is “reply on point.”QuoteYou didn't even reply on point.That makes no sense in English so I'm sorry but I have no witty respond to that : I don't understand what you're saying, you know, since you suck at explaining yourself.
"Reply on point" ? What could that possibly mean ? Maybe you mean I'm not replying to the point you're making... Well, what point are you making... You're making a point that my "insult" looks childish. So I reply, of course I'm not throwing much insult.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:QuoteI'm trying to tell you to let loose here... where the hell did I even say that... ? Okay you're stupid.
Oh yes, but were those about the, moron, thing? But sure, you’ll keep using it. Whatever floats your boat.QuoteOh no, I'm trying to get you to actually make me angry.Eh ? I think you've said a few times in this topic such as "oh now I'm angry" "oh you have no idea how much I'm mad at you", things like that.
OK. *shrugs*QuoteI would love to be there when you meet some random guy in the States and call him a "moron" and he laughs the hell out of himself.That'll pretty much prove my point, so I don't really see anything in having a moron laugh at me.
I'm skipping your lame and failed attempt at mocking, you'll excuse me.It’s a necessary evil I guess >:)
Oh I see. Well quoting kills my post length, but when I return and actually have the energy, I’ll refind those osts.QuoteYou mean like when I'VE PROVEN that you've excerpted my posts and replied to the wrong thing.I haven't seen any proof. I mean, actual proof, not your own misinterpretations.
You forget that I sent you the PM, to tell you of my action so this would remain peaceful, you saw that, and still felt the need to insult me. You even said, you were insulting me. POST ALL OF THE FACTS. You started this, not me.QuoteYou mean when you post false facts, especially about how this thread started.This thread startd like that :
I posted something that I later figured shouldn't stay, I deleted it, you replied to it, you deleted your reply, I reposted another comment about how you suck at explaining yourself and how you post like a jackass, you went insane.
Where am I manipulating anything ?
Oh yes, sure. He echoed you, insaying I tell others, “they don’t like me” and that’s not true and I had already explained it (it undermines the entire point). The only reason why you say this, is because Cyanide, seems to be on your side, to which I’m saying, I don’t care, read.QuoteTurned out he didn't read some repliesHe got a far better idea of the whole picture that you.
Yes, I did know, but it was you who posted the [AI coder’s] actions that matched up with mine, BEFORE I could even get into the thread and explain the situation. Had you waited, instead of posting like you knew the facts, you might have found that out in time to change your post. Minus that, you didn’t even get qwer’s part right.QuoteI'm saying his language was unclearIt wasn't unclear. DUDE, YOU KNEW THAT QWER WAS THE ONE WHO DID IT, YOU KNEW I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT HIM, YET YOU'RE STILL BULLSHITTING ME THAT YOUR CONCLUSION WAS FAIR. NO, IT SURE AS HELL WAS NOT.
Oh please, you know that’s not the point I’m making, or the pos I’m talking about (Explained above and answered you on this point already).Quotewhereas I'm saying, 'I said all thay I meant here.'Your posted looked like you were yelling, Therefore, no, what you posted isn't what you meant.
Really, huh. *hjk goes to reread. He goes in sure that Byakko was still making post suggesting that he said, ‘seemed like,’ but either way, will post honestly if he finds that Byakko is right.*QuoteThe fact of the matter is that there is a clear dfference in definites between yours and Byakko's post, adnd somehow he still goes around as if he had said, 'hjk, it semmed like you were yelling.' Just read his posts.You're a stupid imbecile. No, I'm not still posting "as if what I first said was "you seem like you're yelling". I've acceptd it back in the third or fourth page that I said you were yelling and it was untrue. You'd know that if your comprehension wasn't jammed by your massive stupidity.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:QuoteAnd Woah, stop yourself. Don't analyze me with something like that (insecurity)Yet I thought I saw that word somewhere in your discussion with Sepp.
Cyanide replied effectively saying I don't look before I call out "glitch." He said, "There is invulnerability in the base common1.cns during the getup state and it lasts for 5 ticks afterward. Other people may change this. Please go and LOOK before calling it a glitch, even then, it's probably not a glitch."You said and i quote innaccurately. That mugen has the glitch. This was possibly a misunderstanding by both of us but that's somewhat beside the point. You cannot call something a MUGEN glitch unless you can replicate it over 4 disparate characters.
*Here's where it gets juicy*
Scratch that, my previous whatsit was innaccurate.@POTS: I saw it in my sonic game when someone brought it up. I then tried it vs a yuri i had and got the same effect. Could be mugen version though. I don't have mugen+ for eg and i don't really use the hires ones. I haven't tried again since then. I'll do so and scrap that comment if it doesn't reoccur. And i only remember trying vs yuri, i probably tried vs a few other people.
Damn dude. 4 posts this time? When are we going to have you post a page worth. In fact i read something twice in one of them. As per normal i shall just pick out one point in your post that really needs addressing.I don't quite understand what you were trying to say here. Were you saying, my interpretation of your quote was innacurate, or were you saying that me calling out "glitch" was inaccurate. I may be confused because of the punctuation here (I know I’m bad with that too, but I’m just saying I'm confused :-/)QuoteCyanide replied effectively saying I don't look before I call out "glitch." He said, "There is invulnerability in the base common1.cns during the getup state and it lasts for 5 ticks afterward. Other people may change this. Please go and LOOK before calling it a glitch, even then, it's probably not a glitch."You said and i quote innaccurately. That mugen has the glitch.
*Here's where it gets juicy*
This was possibly a misunderstanding by both of us but that's somewhat beside the point. You cannot call something a MUGEN glitch unless you can replicate it over 4 disparate characters.With the other glitches I replicated it in every single char in my MugenSelect (coming from tons of different authors), but with this one it comes from two authors (one not in the video), who code in some rather complex stuff, but I’ll make sure that this is verifiable and test with some more. I’m keeping an open mind, and I’ll accept I’m wrong if I fail to see the glitch repeated (don’t worry, I’ll make sure the authors aren’t similar coders)
you just absolutely refuse to develop that certain discipline to ask people what they mean, before you postAsk what I had no reason to ask you anything. You looked like you were yelling, so I thought you were yelling. I ask when something is ambiguous. This wasn't the case.
Either way, it turns out that when you started to post BIG, you stumbled right into why I posted BIG in tehe frst place on your own:Yes. The difference between you and me is that I pointed out what I was doing, to prevent people from misunderstanding me. Which you don't do, which is [one of] the reason you suck so much at explaining yourself.
(Actually answer this, this time) Tell me with your acknowledgement that people have more than one single motive for posting in BIG, why did you automatically subject me to the negative one, instead of weighing everything out?I've already answered : I had no reason to ask. There was no ambiguity.
No one has ever accused me of yelling before, because everyone understood in the past that I had a terrible post style as a whole..That's just false. No one said you [looked like you] were yelling because nobody is like me. That's a good thing, but anyway, that's what it is. That doesn't make what I say false.
you knew that, you said that, and you still hastily jumped to a conclusion that was wrong.Because you suck at communication.
- Give me one situation where before someone accused me of yelling at them.Nobody saying anything doesn't mean nobody thinks anything.
- Actually, let me further that; give me one person who said I was yelling at them, just to have another person, who wasn't even in the discussion jump in and launch their own accusations.Still unrelated. If your only excuse is that I wasn't nivolved, you're just plain lame. It makes no difference whether I was or not involved when I voiced my opinion.
- Had someone, who my post was directed to, actaully told me that I was yelling (like if Cyanide accused me of yelling here) I would have explained to him why I made my text so large.Not what you did. You just blew up and laid out the insults on me. And point out to me where you explain to me you weren't yelling then I still say "you were yelling".
- If an outsider in teh conversation came in and said, 'hjk, you 'look like' you're yelling' (an indefinite statement, that accepts taht there is no need for insults), I would have explained why I posted in large text, so they would have understood taht I wasn't yelling.How should I care ? You looked like you were yelling so I assumed you were yelling. I had no reason to say anything else.
Then explain what EXACTLY, what your first two replies, the deleted one, and teh one you came back and posted, were addressing.Is it fine with you if I quote said post ? Well, ignoring the first reply I deleted because THAT'S THE REASON I DELETED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE :
I blame again your complete incapacity at explaining yourself properly. And if you aknowledged that you used the wrong word and fixed it, you're really a goddamn jackass to write like you did in your previous post. Don't tell people to read your posts properly if you can't write properly.So I wonder, what could I possibly have been saying in this post ? If we go by the actual words I'm using, I'm telling you that you are incapable of explaining yourself properly then I call you a jackass for posting the way you did. So where on Earth do you see anything about the actual glitch thing ?
By the way, your video doesn't work for me, it goes it a fucked up spee---AND STOP PMING ME, MY EYES WORK FINE THANK YOU
That's why I quote your replies in FULL and answer themNo, that's why you just don't understand anything of what my posts say. Also, no, you don't quote and address my replies in full, you leave out my questions and my answers to you. What, are you going to ask for a proof ? How about this :
Of course I said "you're yelling". You looked like you were yelling, so I thought you were yelling.So you replied to the sentence that was just before it but you didn't say anything about that, WHICH IS MY REPLY TO THE QUESTION YOU CLAIM I DIDN'T ANSWER. You quoted it, and you completely dodged it, even though I clearly told you to pay special attention to it. You just went about your bullshit on discipline which has absolutely zero reason to apply. This was my reply to you, and you just spoke about discipline that didn't apply and then afterward you acted like I didn't reply.
Of course I said "you're yelling". You looked like you were yelling, so I thought you were yelling.
Of course I said "you're yelling". You looked like you were yelling, so I thought you were yelling.
Of course I said "you're yelling". You looked like you were yelling, so I thought you were yelling.
Of course I said "you're yelling". You looked like you were yelling, so I thought you were yelling.
Of course I said "you're yelling". You looked like you were yelling, so I thought you were yelling.
Of course I said "you're yelling". You looked like you were yelling, so I thought you were yelling.
Of course I said "you're yelling". You looked like you were yelling, so I thought you were yelling.
Of course I said "you're yelling". You looked like you were yelling, so I thought you were yelling.
Of course I said "you're yelling". You looked like you were yelling, so I thought you were yelling.
Of course I said "you're yelling". You looked like you were yelling, so I thought you were yelling.
Of course I said "you're yelling". You looked like you were yelling, so I thought you were yelling.
Of course I said "you're yelling". You looked like you were yelling, so I thought you were yelling.
Of course I said "you're yelling". You looked like you were yelling, so I thought you were yelling.
There, if you want to quote something, quote THAT.
It was never cleared Byakko. That's why I've said, "I've been asking you these two questions FOR A YEAR!!"And I've been answering you for a year. So yes, this was solved and the only thing to blame is your complete inability to communicate properly (both in and out).
I'm asking you that with the facts and details included, do you believe taht it would ahve been reasonable for me to make that conclusionI've answered that more than three times in my previous three replies, and now you claim you read all of my posts and respond to them entirely WHICH YOU REALLY DON'T BY THE WAY...
I've been trying to get you see to see that you could have worded that post a lot better.I've been trying to get you to see that you focused on the wrong thing and that no, you're the one who completely misunderstood, I had no reason to word it any differently.
- When you tried to mess up the order of how this thing turned into an argumentYou're just lying. Or you didn't understand, which is probably more likely.
- When you tried to equate your words with Cyanide's blatantly ignoring THE STRICT FACT, that Cyanide, actually added in the 'seemed like' elemt of the post where you did notAgain, as Cyanide confirmed, you're the one who's focusing on completely retarded details. It was perfectly normal of me to say it that way and I had no reason to word it any differently.
You miseed 2 people first of all Wink. Second, of course it matters.I'm telling you it had nothing to do with the point I'm making. I believe I AM the one who decides if it's relevant or not. And I'm telling you it's not.
You want to present to me that throughout my time here I've posted badly in situations, and I am not allowed to present you with times where you ahve posted badly while not watching your words. It is relevant to MY POINT, which is teh same as yours to me.This wasn't a time where I posted "without watching my words". I had no reason to say it any differently. I don't need a scumbag like you to tell me something I already know about how I make mistakes and how I say wrong things every now and then. Simply, in this case, you're the one who what I was saying and you're the one trying to drag attention over things that are irrelevant.
Give me WHY, it wasn't.I've done so thousands of times already. You knew qwer was there and I didn't, you knew you had no reason to feel targeted by what I was saying even if what I said matched what you did, you knew you should have simply pointed out that qwer did it, and you still picked the wrong reaction. So no, it wasn't fair.
you have ignored teh facts that I've posted, only to say, "No it wasn't."You're either lying or not reading, you pick. I've explained several times why it wasn't, so no, I didn't just say "no it wasn't".
If you present false facts and state themn as definitesWhich I didn't... And you're going to come back at the "you're yelling" and "you say that to everyone" and I'll reply in advance that you simply have no communication skill whatsoever, you misunderstand what people tell you.
(Actually answer this, this time) Tell me with your acknowledgement that people have more than one single motive for posting in BIG, why did you automatically subject me to teh negative one, instead of weighing everything out?I already did several times, you blind moron.
ONE POST (YOUR POST) WAS THE ESCALATION POINT AND YOU KNOW IT.One post is not an escalation and you know it. I didn't throw any tantrum, I simply stated my opinion. And you know it.
You replied back on Cyanide's point (SEE THAT, DON'T LIE), after I had already stated that I changed what I was talking about .Uh, I've never lied about that. The only times I mentionned that was to say that IT'S EXACTLY THE REASON I DELETED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU BLIND BLITHERING IMBECILE.
posted in an insulting manner anyway, accusing me of misspeaking, when it said in my post just before your delted one, PLAIN AS DAY, that the Makoto thing was NOT a wake-up glitch.Okay you're a stupid imbecile. What I said in that post was true then and is still true now, I blame those first posts on your inability to explain yourself properly, and you post like a jackass. I was replying to the post you deleted. I blamed it ("IT" AS IN, THE POST CYANIDE REPLIED TO, NOT YOUR EXPLANATION OF IT) on your inability to explain yourself properly.
How many people have told you to fucking stop it?I imagine there were less people than those who told you to "stop it".
whereas you have been suggesting you added in the, 'seemed like,' when you blatantly said, 'hjk, you were yelling.'No, I never suggested that I said "seem like" in my very first post. I KNOW I DIDN'T SAY "SEEM LIKE". I'VE STATED SO SEVERAL TIMES ALREADY, WHEN I TOLD YOU IT WAS NORMAL OF ME TO JUST SAY "YOU'RE YELLING" INSTEAD OF "SEEM LIKE". YOU UNDERSTAND "INSTEAD OF" ? IT MEANS I KNOW I DIDN'T SAY IT THE FIRST TIME AROUND. AND UNLIKE YOUR FLAT-OUT LIE, I DIDN'T ACT AS IF I DID. I CORRECTED THAT HERE (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678863#msg678863) AND HERE (http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678892#msg678892), after which it WASN'T even mentionned until several pages later. You're still incapable of understanding what you're told properly.
Thank You, for truly admitting it was wrong.I've never said anything else.
you did have a reason to ask because, as you know, I have great respect for Cyanide. Secondly, Cyanide didn't insult me, and I don't post insults, unless they're reactionary.hjk, that doesn't change anything. We're not inside your head. Your first post in this topic totally came out as yelling. Even with how much you rever him, you are known for blowing up every time you want to discuss bugs and someone tells you youre not reading the docs. When you post like you did, repeating yourself and increasing the size each time, it's seen as yelling, no matter what you will say, no matter how much you say you worship the one you're talking to. I've told you that, Cyanide told you that.
I'm simply asking you why your [AI Coder] whom you suggest betrayed his word to KFM, matches himself with ME?Because nobody knew there was anyone else with you. You ask if you can make a patch (and I can quite fairly guess you did not point out it wasn't even you who was coding it), then later the patch comes out, so yes, obviously my description would match with you. I've told you that several times, nobody even knew there was anyone other than you, so it was perfectly normal for me to say it like that.
I mean you posted that, before you actually knew the details.I've also told you several times already that I cleared out the details and that those particular details had nothing to do with the point I was making. When a detail is irrelevant with something you're saying, of course you don't even mention that detail.
with a time where you yourself have done so as well.I got that the first time you said it. And I've already said several times that I know I speak wrongly every now and then.
I’ve said everything I’ve intended to and I’ve been understood as well.What ?? In the first post in this topic, is it the case ? Is what this post shows exactly what you mean to say ? This post looks like you are yelling. Is that what you mean to say ?? IS IT ?? No ? Then no, what you are actually posting is not what you mean to say.
And by the way, stop adding in the word “think” when you know that;s not what your post said.You're just being retarded. I thought you were yelling, therefore I said "you're yelling". I've said that several times. Did you miss them all ?? Unlike you, my post said exactly what I thought. I thought you were yelling, therefore I said "you are yelling".
“When someone looks like they are trying to emphasize something, it's perfectly normal to think he's emphasizing.”Because you don't looke like you're emphasizing. You look like you're yelling. When I said "I'll post in big, maybe you'll see" I looked like I was emphasizing, BECAUSE I SAID I WAS EMPHASIZING. You did not, thus you looked like you were yelling.
You should have asked instead of presenting it like you knew what went on in the situationNo, I had no reason to ask. You ask when something is ambiguous, not when something seems obvious. Even when this "obvious" is wrong.
It’s irrelevant to whom, you. It’s relevant to MY POINT, is it not?Because I've already answered that times and times again. My description matched you because
And the thing also is that YOU DIDN’T WAIT for me to make MY FIRST POST explaining the details, bfore you decided you could “sum things up.”Because I was talking about responsibility, and your detail had zero relevance in it. If you felt targeted, it's THERE that you should have pointed it out instead of acting like you did.
Let’s see:Doesn't change what I'm saying. When someone is ambiguous, I ask him to be more clear. When someone actually proves me wrong, I apologize.
- I post evidence to back up my points
- I ask people about their motives for their actions
- I apologize when I’m wrong
- I falsely apologize even when I believe I don’t believe I’m wrong
What, Byakko? You ever heard of something called a counter in an argument?Does that change anything to what I said ? You're ignoring my explanations and you don't want me to ignore your so-called "counter arguments".
So wait, I and others have told you many times to stop jumping in with insults and just post and you refuse? Why?I'm pretty sure I've already replied to that. Also, you STILL have huge problem with communication and you STILL post like a jackass, so my first reply in this topic STILL stands.
No, you DODGED. I don’t have to ask it again.You say I dodged because you don't want to hear my explanations. I say I already replied.
P.S. How to Win Friends and Influence People (http://www.notesofintelligence.com/influence/comprehensive-summary.html)?You're sending thsi to me? I'm not the one who insults people and thinks they won't get offended (and I’m not talking about with me).
Besides, I’ve falsely conceded to the guy before, minus the fact that even with you, I tried “to tell you what I thought you wanted to hear [baby].”
I dunno what you really meant to come across on this post, but you are, at least to me ( Mind that I might be reading it gauging your intentions wrongly) coming across as if you are telling him that Byakko is more important than him and then threatening to ban him over that.
And you don't really NEED to post 3 times to reply to Baiken. You realise that due to how much of every post you quote, you say the same thing over and over? Say it once.Good Post. Sometimes I think about that, but I feel as though I'll be told I'm dodging something.
Oh and here's an analogy for your current situation. "There's a person people hate"The thing is, I'm posting exclusively to Byakko, no one else.
There, who am i referring to? Is it obvious to anyone?
So fucking WHAT if the "ai coders" actions matched up with yours. I released a character. My actions match up with Warusaki3 releasing a character. Does this make me Warusaki3? No. Actions match up all the time. It's called a coincidence. It's certainly not something that people get up tight about.No, unfortunately. Sometimes when I quote his post from back then, I should have included a "..." I've been addressing these issues separately, because again I know that Byakko will know what I'm talking about. Any outside party (which hasnt't read the topic entirely... for good reason) will be left in the dark because I don't feel the need to post 'to them'
And as i've said. If Baiken hadn't posted it I would have. I'm sure someone else would have because increasing your text gradually like that, does not show emphasis. At all. THIS can show SOME emphasis without being yelling. If you wish to emphasise a whole sentence without shouting. You should post it like this.And Cyanide, had YOU said it, I wouldn't have gotten offended. The reason for that was because my post did after all come in reply to YOU. Had YOU, the person to whom I replied, said, 'hjk, you were yelling' I would have clarified.
Please note, i have not repeated myself 4 times in this post while addressing the argument as a whole rather than single lines.*skills*
You mean I rather ought to give that to Baiken to read because if anybody of you two would be in need of more influence and friends it would be him?OH Hoh Ho Ho, Sepp.
I . . . suggest you start counting friends and gauging your influence.
Preferably in your mind only; the next combo-posts might get you banned.Oh yes, Sepp, I must post to YOU instead of Byakko.
P.S. clarifying:Wy to consider all of teh facts woth that one, bucko.I dunno what you really meant to come across on this post, but you are, at least to me ( Mind that I might be reading it gauging your intentions wrongly) coming across as if you are telling him that Byakko is more important than him and then threatening to ban him over that.sepp: link with advice
hjk: for me?!? but baiken is worse
sepp: and yet he's got more influence and friends. and stop triple posting or else!!
You mean I rather ought to give that to Baiken to read because if anybody of you two would be in need of more influence and friends it would be him?OH Hoh Ho Ho, Sepp.
I . . . suggest you start counting friends and gauging your influence.
Let's not ignore some major facts:
[...]
Oh yes, Sepp, I must post to YOU instead of Byakko.
Oh yes, that isn't completely ridiculous.
And you suggested demoting [E], look at yourself.
BTW, read my reply to Bastard Wolf (take into account that Byakko, has posted in the same fashion):
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg683572#msg683572
And Cyanide, had YOU said it, I wouldn't have gotten offended.Noone else is allowed to correct you if you look like you're doing something rude? You can't enforce that. If you've done something that's not nettiquette you WILL be pulled up on it.
- That is why I'm asking my questions, does he believe that given the facts it was reasonable, and why, after saying "in this case" do his [AI Coder's] actions match p with mine.Cos it is a FUCKING COINCIDENCE. He didn't name you. He wasn't entirely sure (as he's said) who did it and AVOIDED naming you for that purpose. He didn't want to start precisely what you're doing. After 2 years. He has in fact (once more) accepted that it WASN'T you. Why can't you take his word for it? It's really very petty to keep going on something like this when the other party has taken your word about something and you still want to make his comments all about you.
o.O Your problem as I see it is this:Oh Sure... ;)
You posses a high drive for self-expression but sub-par reading comprehension, argumentation, presentation and communication skills.
If correct that would be a general problem which---if not addressed---would cause irritation regardless of persons or topics involved. Therefore I'm trying to see what could be done about it.*Please Clarify, because I didn't understand.* (and I admitted that instead of lying about it. I have admitted to it many times before.)
Why would that be irrelevant exactly. If the tables were turned I would have more influence, but it wouldn't necessarily be because my personality was more desirable.Look. I say, "Do you mean that XYZ? If so, consider that ABC is how it is."You mean I rather ought to give that to Baiken to read because if anybody of you two would be in need of more influence and friends it would be him?OH Hoh Ho Ho, Sepp.
I . . . suggest you start counting friends and gauging your influence.
Let's not ignore some major facts:
[...]
The way to begin an answer to that is either by, "Yes, I meant XYZ." or "No, I meant UIO instead."
But you reply, "Do not ignore the facts!!! [long list of reasons for why ABC could be how it is]"
. . . ??? I know that Baiken has more influence and friends than you do---I brought it up. You don't need to explain possible reasons for that fact to me, calling your reasons facts I am ignoring. My argument is disconnected from why: why is irrelevant to my argument, since it's not based on why. It is merely based on the fact itself, and not on any of those you listed.
And I only brought it up because you appeared to be irritated by being the advice target and refuse the advice because Baiken could use it more than you.
By my reply, I confirmed that, yes, I was targeting you. And that, no, I did not think it sensible to refuse it by bringing up Baiken---because of ABC: he's your superior in terms of friends count and influence, the title-giving goals of the adivice.
Why he's got more than you is irrelevant to my point: I believe you ought to read the advice more than him.
Whoa, I think because I had to rush out of my house I messed up. PArt of the reason why I make my posts so long is because I fear I'll miss something or else qwill not answer something completely (within what I view as my current ability). I try to answer all parts of a post (I even try to answer them in all the directions I think they could go in). besides that fact, i don't want to be told i'm avoiding something.QuoteOh yes, Sepp, I must post to YOU instead of Byakko.??? What's ridiculous? After posting ideas how you could reduce your word count, I now really want you to stop triple posting---using one of the biggest threats available to me to reinforce how seriously I want you to stop it.
Oh yes, that isn't completely ridiculous.
And you suggested demoting [E], look at yourself.
BTW, read my reply to Bastard Wolf (take into account that Byakko, has posted in the same fashion):
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg683572#msg683572
I read your reply to Bastard Wolf. I don't get what you're saying or don't see its relevance. Are you complaining because I'm posting in this topic and you now also have to reply to me instead of finishing your business replying strictly to Byakko?
I suppose mentioning [E] implies you mean I am acting incorrectly? What then, should I do?
Oh Please. As I said:QuoteAnd Cyanide, had YOU said it, I wouldn't have gotten offended.Noone else is allowed to correct you if you look like you're doing something rude? You can't enforce that. If you've done something that's not nettiquette you WILL be pulled up on it.
That just says grudge against Baiken to me.
There are many times that people who I'm addressing have misinterpretted my post and replied with a definite interpretation, only to have me say something like, "Sorry, I didn't mean to coem off that way you. What I was trying to say was..."That has happened many times. Had it been Byakko I was replying to, instead of you, I would have posted just what I said above. This was instead a "jump-in," (and not even the first mind you. I've let others slide as I've already stated), and that was the final straw.
Cyanide, are you reading this? First of all, I have taken his word for it, that's not my point.Quote- That is why I'm asking my questions, does he believe that given the facts it was reasonable, and why, after saying "in this case" do his [AI Coder's] actions match p with mine.Cos it is a FUCKING COINCIDENCE. He didn't name you. He wasn't entirely sure (as he's said) who did it and AVOIDED naming you for that purpose. He didn't want to start precisely what you're doing. After 2 years. He has in fact (once more) accepted that it WASN'T you. Why can't you take his word for it? It's really very petty to keep going on something like this when the other party has taken your word about something and you still want to make his comments all about you.
Would you like him to backtrack and start blaming you now?Would you like to backtrack, and start reading what I'm saying?
That has happened many times.Right, so why haven't you improved on it yet. I mean.
Had it been Byakko I was replying to, instead of you, I would have posted just what I said above. This was instead a "jump-in," (and not even the first mind you. I've let others slide as I've already stated), and that was the final straw.and
And Cyanide, had YOU said it, I wouldn't have gotten offended. The reason for that was because my post did after all come in reply to YOU. Had YOU, the person to whom I replied, said, 'hjk, you were yelling' I would have clarified.Really do seem to go against each other. And niether statement nullifies my point. If you do something rude. Someone is going to pull you up on it. Thats a pretty concrete fact. If they disagree, they'll tell you.
Why would that be irrelevant exactly.Because he decides so. He's telling you about XYZ and you're answering him about ABC. Don't. ABC has nothing to do with XYZ. Even if ABC is true, XYZ is also still true.
This was instead a "jump-in," and that was the final straw.When I see something I think deserves a comment, I can't see what difference it makes. Yes, I jumped in. So what ? Big deal. Why should I not be allowed to voice my opinion on something I come across with ? Can you not accept criticism depending on who it comes from ? If you're given feedback on anything, why does it matter who says it, or even how he says it ? You should aknonwledge the comment regardless of that. You can also give comment on how much of a jerk I am or how many mistakes I do, but this doesn't change what I'm telling you ; so you do it afterward, instead of using it to cover up what I said.
does he believe that I would be right to say HE spoke badlyNo, I don't believe I spoke badly. What I said was still true, regardless of the detail you brought up. I was talking about responsibility, not about who did it.
and that IF I WERE to get the interpretation that the [AI Coder] was me, it would have been fairNo it wasn't. Yes, my description matched your action. Because I didn't know qwer even existed. But you did. So you should have known that it was only a matter of you pointing it out. And that it wouldn't even have affected what I said. Your reaction, you holding a grudge for 1~2 years, was not fair.
FirstBecause sometimes, I really don't think people will get offended, but when they do, it catches me completely off guard, so I apologize for my mistakes and try to fix and explain them. I apologize, because I tend to reread my posts and subject them to pretty harsh interpretations so I can see why, someone would have been offended. It is also common for me to note where I may come off badly (I note because I usually don't have time to fix it), so I can avoid an argument. Even when I was being submissive, there was 1 situation where a person took one of my posts the wrong way.QuoteThat has happened many times.Right, so why haven't you improved on it yet. I mean.
Wait, what? Please explain why they go against each other?QuoteHad it been Byakko I was replying to, instead of you, I would have posted just what I said above. This was instead a "jump-in," (and not even the first mind you. I've let others slide as I've already stated), and that was the final straw.andQuoteAnd Cyanide, had YOU said it, I wouldn't have gotten offended. The reason for that was because my post did after all come in reply to YOU. Had YOU, the person to whom I replied, said, 'hjk, you were yelling' I would have clarified.Really do seem to go against each other. And niether statement nullifies my point. If you do something rude. Someone is going to pull you up on it. Thats a pretty concrete fact. If they disagree, they'll tell you.
What you're trying to achieve is impossible. Baiken (hope i'm not putting words in his mouth) doesn't believe what he wrote was really up for misinterpretation by the vast majority, as you're the only one who's misunderstanding what he wrote. 2 fucking years later.I'm saying that with all of the facts weighed, literally what he said could have been worded a lot better.
Could this be solved if he said "No it's not fair to say that in that situation" or would you refute him on that too?I was waiting for that. Really, I want for him to outline why. I can never understand something unless the why is answered, or else things to me appear to have no meaning. I do not understand, why, why wouldn't be important to any situation.
'To me' (Please Note - TO ME) that just comes off as 'fancy-talk.' For me, relevant points must always be backed up with a why; for me anything with meaning must be backed up with a why.QuoteWhy would that be irrelevant exactly.Because he decides so. He's telling you about XYZ and you're answering him about ABC. Don't. ABC has nothing to do with XYZ. Even if ABC is true, XYZ is also still true.
If he's saying "this is how it is", it's completely useless of you to discuss why. The cause is not relevant to the fact itself. Reply to the fact, not what you figure is the cause. Because he is telling you about XYZ, not ABC.
You do that way too often, answering with something that doesn't affect what you were told in the first place.
But what I'm saying is that there are other times where you've come in and posted just as you did here and I let them go. Here, I just didn't want to take it. Promise me this Byakko, please just promise me this, if you're going to post an interpretation at all to anyone, especially when youre outside a topic, d not post anything that is an insult. OR, please ask, as I tend to do.QuoteThis was instead a "jump-in," and that was the final straw.When I see something I think deserves a comment, I can't see what difference it makes. Yes, I jumped in. So what ? Big deal. Why should I not be allowed to voice my opinion on something I come across with ? Can you not accept criticism depending on who it comes from ? If you're given feedback on anything, why does it matter who says it, or even how he says it ? You should aknonwledge the comment regardless of that. You can also give comment on how much of a jerk I am or how many mistakes I do, but this doesn't change what I'm telling you ; so you do it afterward, instead of using it to cover up what I said.
I'm simply pointing out, that with what you said, it appears that all roads lead to me.Quotedoes he believe that I would be right to say HE spoke badlyNo, I don't believe I spoke badly. What I said was still true, regardless of the detail you brought up. I was talking about responsibility, not about who did it.
Must I remind that at that time, people were saying there was nothing wrong with the patch ? So I "jumped in" and said that, if the patch was distributed after KFM said no, then yes, there was a responsibility. I said it while not knowing that the one who asked wasn't the one who did the coding, but it didn't change what I was saying. So no, I didn't speak badly.
But the details did change what you were literally saying. *Now this may come off badly as well, but Ill try to make it sound better*: the words of your post made you seem as if you knew the facts of the situation. In your post you answered, how it occured, the actions of the [AI Coder], and how many people were involved, ending with, you were "summing things up."Quoteand that IF I WERE to get the interpretation that the [AI Coder] was me, it would have been fairNo it wasn't. Yes, my description matched your action. Because I didn't know qwer even existed. But you did. So you should have known that it was only a matter of you pointing it out. And that it wouldn't even have affected what I said. Your reaction, you holding a grudge for 1~2 years, was not fair.
And before you ask me again why I even spoke like that if I didn't know that particular detail, I'll say the same thing as before :
-because I had no reason to do otherwise
-because that detail didn't change anything of what I was saying.
So no, my speech was normal, and your reaction was not.
'To me' (Please Note - TO ME) that just comes off as 'fancy-talk.' For me, relevant points must always be backed up with a why; for me anything with meaning must be backed up with a why.Then this is your problem, not ours.
Here, for him to say you have more friends and influence than me may be a fact, but for me, I want to have a good reason for the fact or else its just a statement that doesn't change anything.
But what I'm saying is that there are other times where you've come in and posted just as you did here and I let them go. Here, I just didn't want to take it. Promise me this Byakko, please just promise me this, if you're going to post an interpretation at all to anyone, especially when youre outside a topic, d not post anything that is an insult. OR, please ask, as I tend to do.No. As I've said, I have no reason to.
I'm simply pointing out, that with what you said, it appears that all roads lead to me.Still as irrelevant as it was the first time.
Please, answer me, with a true why, if I actualy had linked the [AI Coder] up with myself, it wouldn't have been fair.I've said it several times already :
But the details did change what you were literally saying.No, it did not. I can't see why you say it did.
the words of your post made you seem as if you knew the facts of the situation.So what ?? It doesn't change anything.
Let me just say, teh part that particularly offends'' me was the "the [AI Coder] did it anyway." It is not even the fact that i thought it could be me or not, it is the fact that you potentially said any one of us did that (again considering teh "in this case," the, "summing things up," and the fact that you were replying to Laxxe) and no one did.I know and I don't care. This doesn't change what I said.
Oh Sure... ;)
Post thee specific places where you've seen those from me please. I want to see where exactly you're saying that applies to me.
*Please Clarify, because I didn't understand.*
Why would that be irrelevant exactly.
If the tables were turned I would have more influence, but it wouldn't necessarily be because my personality was more desirable.
*Maybe I should read your link, but please tell me because I'm feeling lazy, does it deal with personality issues?*
Whoa, I think because I had to rush out of my house I messed up. PArt of the reason why I make my posts so long is because I fear I'll miss something or else qwill not answer something completely (within what I view as my current ability). I try to answer all parts of a post (I even try to answer them in all the directions I think they could go in). besides that fact, i don't want to be told i'm avoiding something.
About the threat thing, God I was wishing had time to edit that post before I left. I wanted to ask you, if you were being serious or not. I had really interpretted it as you being irritated at me not taking your advice for post shortening. That is my fault, I should have asked from the beginning...
After posting ideas how you could reduce your word count, I now really want you to stop triple posting---using one of the biggest threats available to me to reinforce how seriously I want you to stop it.
On a side note, some of your posts come off as if you're trying to say that while replying to other people I try to point a finger at Byakko. I am doing that on purpose because I wanna see who'll call me out for it, and fail to notice that he has been too. Possibly even before me.)
But really, why post that in teh first place? It's just comes off as a point that doesn't mean anything.Quote'To me' (Please Note - TO ME) that just comes off as 'fancy-talk.' For me, relevant points must always be backed up with a why; for me anything with meaning must be backed up with a why.Then this is your problem, not ours.
Here, for him to say you have more friends and influence than me may be a fact, but for me, I want to have a good reason for the fact or else its just a statement that doesn't change anything.
Why wouldn't you ahve a reason to. I've avoided arguing with you when you've done this before , it's only that this time I couldn't let it slide. What I think is that you could avoid arguing with anyone if you just slowed down and asked.QuoteBut what I'm saying is that there are other times where you've come in and posted just as you did here and I let them go. Here, I just didn't want to take it. Promise me this Byakko, please just promise me this, if you're going to post an interpretation at all to anyone, especially when youre outside a topic, d not post anything that is an insult. OR, please ask, as I tend to do.No. As I've said, I have no reason to.
Personally, I don't think it is irrelevant to teh point I AM making.QuoteI'm simply pointing out, that with what you said, it appears that all roads lead to me.Still as irrelevant as it was the first time.
I'm saying it did, because the way you outlined teh situation in your post was not correct. By saying, "In this case" and summing it up, your details, "in the specific case" were made wrong after "I" had posted (I gotta go to your point below though).QuotePlease, answer me, with a true why, if I actualy had linked the [AI Coder] up with myself, it wouldn't have been fair.I've said it several times already :
-Because I didn't know about qwer and you did
-because it didn't change anything of what I was saying.QuoteBut the details did change what you were literally saying.No, it did not. I can't see why you say it did.
ugh. Above.Quotethe words of your post made you seem as if you knew the facts of the situation.So what ?? It doesn't change anything.
Let me cut it off right there. I was also not trying to offend you in this post (as I said). I added in teh potentially to avoid even more of a fight. You know what teh question I'd re-ask is.QuoteLet me just say, teh part that particularly offends'' me was the "the [AI Coder] did it anyway." It is not even the fact that i thought it could be me or not, it is the fact that you potentially said any one of us did that (again considering teh "in this case," the, "summing things up," and the fact that you were replying to Laxxe) and no one did.I know and I don't care. This doesn't change what I said.
Also keyword in your post is "POTENTIALLY". You can't possibly have blown up on a "potentially" ? I was talking about how there was a responsibility.
I also specifically said back then that it may or may not have been intentionnal ! Do you not remember that one ? You remember how it might have matched with your actions, you remember how I might have been hinting that you or qwer were "guilty", but you don't remember I specifically said it may or may not have been intentionnal ? If your problem is that I "potentially" said it might be your fault (or qwer's), then why are you ignoring how I specifically said it might not have been ? Because this was your answer.I don't remember that. Would that have been before or after the specific post I'm quoting.
TrueOh Sure... ;)-high drive for self-expression: you post in this topic like crazy, even three times in a row!
Post thee specific places where you've seen those from me please. I want to see where exactly you're saying that applies to me.
-sub-par reading comprehension: you resort to dictionaries to puzzle out individual words and often wrongly interpret posts by other usersWhere? I want some specific examples of this.
-sub-par argumentation skills: logic is fancy talk to you, I mean... wtf! xDLogic? You call what you posted "logical?" To make a post that completely ignores the 'why,' has no real point to me. Substantiate it with something, or else its just a point that changes nothing.
-sub-par presentation skills: you write far too much, even three posts in a row!!That hurt. True.
-sub-par communication skills: you incorrectly use words like coherent, causing confusionI used that word incorrectly, because I had looked it up before and found a definition (-> logical. Really a synonym). Are you going to use that to cloud everything that I'm posting?
Oh I see. I want you to post a specific situation, or more than one if you like.Quote*Please Clarify, because I didn't understand.*A high frequency poster who has trouble reading the intention of posts by others and tends to present his unlogical statements in a badly worded blown-up way is likely to cause irritation no matter where he posts or to whom he replies.
Bad for forum.
What? How can you equate the point here to a situation like that. The situation you posted about would indeed be ridiculous, but here, No. Yes, you said you wanted to make it more clear by using a real-world example, but a link like this, doesn't do it for me, sorry.QuoteWhy would that be irrelevant exactly.lol
You ask why it would be irrelevant in reply to my explanation?!? Byakko explained it, too. You still not getting it is a sign of bad reading comprehension and strange logic. Another try, with real-world examples instead of ABC and XYZ to make it more graspable...
sepp: here, take that umbrella so you won't get wet
hjk: why me?!? doesn't it sometimes rain even worse in france?!
sepp: yet consider that you get much wetter than the french anyway; take the umbrella, you could use it more
hjk: hey don't ignore the facts: the french stay drier because they can escape some of the rain with their self-built cars while I'm unable to build one
sepp: i know that they stay drier; i brought it up to make you see reason and take an umbrella. but why the french stay drier even under heavier rain is irrelevant to my point, which is me saying you could use an umbrella more than they could; so just take one already
hjk: not it's not irrelevant! not to me! i must always know the whys of anything or it's not a valid argument!!
To sepp's great irritation, instead of simply taking or leaving the umbrella, hjk first demands a debate over the weather situation in another country, saying it's vital that umbrella offerings be backed up with French weather discussions in order to be valid---
---at which point sepp is likely to give up, I only wanted to give you an umbrella! and whack hjk some over the head with it.
Addressed above.QuoteIf the tables were turned I would have more influence, but it wouldn't necessarily be because my personality was more desirable.Huh? Is this supposed to be an argument?? For or against what? Yes, it wouldn't necessarily be because your personality was more desirable. Of course not. Naturally. But that has nothing to do with anything we said so far, and nobody ever claimed that it would.
I see.Quote*Maybe I should read your link, but please tell me because I'm feeling lazy, does it deal with personality issues?*Not at all. It deals with arguments, presentation and communication.
Your presentation point, Yes. Communication... mehQuoteWhoa, I think because I had to rush out of my house I messed up. PArt of the reason why I make my posts so long is because I fear I'll miss something or else qwill not answer something completely (within what I view as my current ability). I try to answer all parts of a post (I even try to answer them in all the directions I think they could go in). besides that fact, i don't want to be told i'm avoiding something.Yeah. Below average presentation and communication skills, you know? :p
"LOL Reading Comprehension"QuoteAbout the threat thing, God I was wishing had time to edit that post before I left. I wanted to ask you, if you were being serious or not. I had really interpretted it as you being irritated at me not taking your advice for post shortening. That is my fault, I should have asked from the beginning...lol
Reading comprehension! I really was irritated at you not taking my advice for post shortening:
After posting ideas how you could reduce your word count, I now really want you to stop triple posting---using one of the biggest threats available to me to reinforce how seriously I want you to stop it.
*I HATE YOU :P*QuoteOn a side note, some of your posts come off as if you're trying to say that while replying to other people I try to point a finger at Byakko. I am doing that on purpose because I wanna see who'll call me out for it, and fail to notice that he has been too. Possibly even before me.)Dude, should somebody tell you to stop pointing fingers it would not automatically mean that he's failing to notice that somebody else also did it as well. That would be invalid logic. And ff you're only worried that everybody jumps on you but Baiken might to be getting away blameless once again, just say so.
But really, why post that in teh first place? It's just comes off as a point that doesn't mean anything.What ?? But it's what we're telling you ! It's your reply that doesn't mean anything.
Why wouldn't you ahve a reason to.Why would I have a reason to ?
What I think is that you could avoid arguing with anyone if you just slowed down and asked.No. Your post looked like this and that, so I said this and that. Why would I ask ? And again, clean your own house before telling me something like that. You're the one holding a grudge for 1~2 years.
Personally, I don't think it is irrelevant to teh point I AM making.It's your whole point that is irrelevant. Your reply has no connectino to what we're telling you in the first place, so no, your point is not relevant.
I'm saying it did, because the way you outlined teh situation in your post was not correct.It didn't change anything. So what if I had the details wrong ? Whether I had the details right or not, it didn't change the point I was making, because the point I was making was not related to that detail.
You know what teh question I'd re-ask is.I've given you my reply thousands of times already. But you're just losing yourself into irrelevant questions.
I don't remember that. Would that have been before or after the specific post I'm quoting.I said that the very first time, in the initial post that you misunderstood.
You posted that Byakko had more friends than me. I'm just supposed to sit back and accept that? No, I'm going to post the 'why' to make my own point.I have a 'why' for you : why would you do that ? If someone tells you that apples fall on the ground, do you really need to go and discover gravity ? Does your dicovery of gravity change anything to the reality that apples fall on the ground ? It changes minor details, such as the speed at which it does so. But does it suddenly become false that apples fall on the ground ?
-sub-par reading comprehension: you resort to dictionaries to puzzle out individual words and often wrongly interpret posts by other usersWhere? I want some specific examples of this.-sub-par communication skills: you incorrectly use words like coherent, causing confusionI used that word incorrectly, because I had looked it up before and found a definition (-> logical. Really a synonym). Are you going to use that to cloud everything that I'm posting?
I was waiting for someone to hastily post that. Didn't expect it to be you though. Sepp's first post said, by "other" users. The post addressed in the second was one of my own (I didn't misinterpret my own post). ;)Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
I'm going to just make the point that I post the 'why' to back my posts up, but that is ignorable right now.QuoteBut really, why post that in teh first place? It's just comes off as a point that doesn't mean anything.What ?? But it's what we're telling you ! It's your reply that doesn't mean anything.
To avoid arguments.QuoteWhy wouldn't you ahve a reason to.Why would I have a reason to ?
And you yourself, posted when you wrote in big text that you wanted it to be seen. You could have applied that to me and you didn't. Again, why couldn't your post here have said, "you looked like you were trying to get something noticed, so I posted that" or "you looked like you were trying to emphasize something, so I said that." Why go for the negative, even before thinking it out. Really, I think sking would have been a healthier decision.QuoteWhat I think is that you could avoid arguing with anyone if you just slowed down and asked.No. Your post looked like this and that, so I said this and that. Why would I ask ? And again, clean your own house before telling me something like that. You're the one holding a grudge for 1~2 years.
I need you to answer the first part of this post in which I addressed you to reply back to this.QuotePersonally, I don't think it is irrelevant to teh point I AM making.It's your whole point that is irrelevant. Your reply has no connectino to what we're telling you in the first place, so no, your point is not relevant.
I'm just avoiding what? If you messed up the details, and locked yourself, with your own bad wording, into saying something you may not have intended. This is me countering you with an example that is in both of our memories.QuoteI'm saying it did, because the way you outlined teh situation in your post was not correct.It didn't change anything. So what if I had the details wrong ? Whether I had the details right or not, it didn't change the point I was making, because the point I was making was not related to that detail.
Stop your crap about me not outlining the situation properly, your detail had nothing to do with what I was saying. Why on Earth can't you understand that ? I don't care if the outline was wrong.
I tell you something, you reply with something completely unrelated. You're just avoiding the point I was making.
Adding in my details, made your post wrong, because you didn't word it as well as you should have.QuoteYou know what teh question I'd re-ask is.I've given you my reply thousands of times already. But you're just losing yourself into irrelevant questions.
I tell you that I didn't care about that detail, you ask me why I don't want to bother about that detail, but it really doesn't change anything to the fact that it's an irrelevant detail, whether you point it out or not.
You mean where I pointed out that I believe you mistyped, right.QuoteI don't remember that. Would that have been before or after the specific post I'm quoting.I said that the very first time, in the initial post that you misunderstood.
But then what's the point in saying it in the first place?QuoteYou posted that Byakko had more friends than me. I'm just supposed to sit back and accept that? No, I'm going to post the 'why' to make my own point.I have a 'why' for you : why would you do that ? If someone tells you that apples fall on the ground, do you really need to go and discover gravity ? Does your dicovery of gravity change anything to the reality that apples fall on the ground ? It changes minor details, such as the speed at which it does so. But does it suddenly become false that apples fall on the ground ?
If someone tells you that he saw an apple fall on the ground the other day, and you go on about the laws of gravity, then you're not making any sense nor relevance and the guy will just slap you in the face.Personally, I would try to avoid equating something so simple, to the situation we're dealing with. I want to know why here, Sepp, felt teh need to say something like that. Would it be just the simple fact that he wanted to make a statement? I dunno, but that's all I'm getting here.
-sub-par reading comprehension: you resort to dictionaries to puzzle out individual words and often wrongly interpret posts by other usersI also read this as 2 statements. Saying you puzzle out words and that you often wrongly interpret. Perhaps I wrongly interpreted his statement haha the irony.
Out of curiosity, I decided to see how many sheets of paper it would take to print out this page.Do you hate the trees so much ? :(
The answer is 14.
Oh I just skimmed the thread and saw that.I'm glad I sent you that PM. The fault is mine, I had no right to reply so rudely. I didn't want to pretend like I hadn't replied in that way, so I left it, and tried to explian in it the PM. Sorry for that --;
I actually haven't been reading much =P
I just thought that was kinda funny. I won't do it again.
Go re-read the apples falling comment. And possibly the umbrella one.I read and reread them and my replies still stand, but, it's interesting though; I need Byakko's reply to my post above, before I can go further into a point I'm making.
I'd wash my hands of this altogether but i REALLY want you to see sense.
Still don't believe it's a mugen glitch of any sort until i see some code.Didn't expect you to.
HJK, you should realy come to France in preparatory classes for engineer schools. In litterature lessons, they teach you how to summarize a 3 pages text in 120 words (+/- 10%). If you put one word more than what is authorized, you get a "0" mark.Jeez. I wish I were there. Really, I am trying, but sometimes I get caught up in 'explaining the why' that I extend me post length a lot, minus the fact that I post quotes and requotes (outside of the 'official' little marker thing... don't know how to Identify the "[quote']-['/quote] thing
And you yourself, posted when you wrote in big text that you wanted it to be seen. You could have applied that to me and you didn't.Yeah, except not, because, you know... I pointed out what I was doing. My post was not misleading because I said clearly what I was doing. Your post was misleading because you didn't.
Why go for the negative, even before thinking it out.Because it's you and you're known for doing shit like that. Remember that topic where we had an argument for about 19 pages for something completely retarded ? Yeah, this one here. Or the one when you freaked out because your name was merely mentionned in a discussion about AI patches ?
That last sentence. How did it relate to teh specific point you were making here?Uh ? It relates because you're the one who doesn't get what people say, and you hastily conclude that you are the one I was talking about, and to this day, you still insist that your conclusion was fair. When you could just have pointed out that qwer was there, then ask if I was blaming you for it.
If you messed up the detailsYou still don't get that the details didn't have any impact on what I was saying, so of course I ignored them.
and locked yourself, with your own bad wordingSays the guy who adamantly refuses to understand maybe he's the one who misunderstood.
This is me countering you with an example that is in both of our memories.This is you countering with something you made up in your mind and refuse to get out of. Also it's not a counter at all since you're not even replying to what I say, it's like you're changing the subject.
*Just a question I've been thinking about. A "counter," is it relevant or relevant, when one person makes a point. I mean it is on a polar end isn't it?*A counter-argument is when you give a valid argument that goes against another one that was just said.
Adding in my details, made your post wrongExcept your detail was irrelevant to the point I was making.
You mean where I pointed out that I believe you mistyped, right.... ? This has no connection to what I just said. I'm saying that I said it may or may not have been intentionnal. Whatever mistyping you're talking about has zero relevance with that.
But then what's the point in saying it in the first place?Because it's a fact that you didn't notice. If you're looking for apples on the south, and a guy comes at yuo and say there's an apple in the north, you really aren't supposed to explain that apples grow on trees. It's irrelevant, and it's what you're doing.
I want to know why here, Sepp, felt teh need to say something like that.Because he figured you needed it... Just like he would figure you may be wet so he gives you an umbrella.
Would it be just the simple fact that he wanted to make a statement?There ! See when you try harder ? You start understanding what people say.
-sub-par reading comprehension: you resort to dictionaries to puzzle out individual words and often wrongly interpret posts by other usersWhere? I want some specific examples of this.
Logic? You call what you posted "logical?" To make a post that completely ignores the 'why,' has no real point to me. Substantiate it with something, or else its just a point that changes nothing.
I'm saying this because I don't understand you at all: It seems like you're using the fact that you may be smarter than me (not sure I could word that better), to post something that makes no sense, so any onlooker would just take your side without even thinking about what you said (I'm not saying that's what's going on, i'm saying that's how it seem to me).:thinking2:
You posted that Byakko had more friends than me. I'm just supposed to sit back and accept that?
No, I'm going to post the 'why' to make my own point.
Again, to me it 'seems like' you're posting to onlookers. I know that with you posting someone had more friends than another, the first thing I'd think would be that you were effectively saying, "Person A, is a better person, than Person B."
Please tell me, 'why' you used the point that Byakko had more friends than me, in your reply to my post.
I used that word incorrectly, because I had looked it up before and found a definition (-> logical. Really a synonym). Are you going to use that to cloud everything that I'm posting?
QuoteA high frequency poster who has trouble reading the intention of posts by others and tends to present his unlogical statements in a badly worded blown-up way is likely to cause irritation no matter where he posts or to whom he replies.Oh I see. I want you to post a specific situation, or more than one if you like.
Bad for forum.
I'm gonna make and assumption, and say as one of them you'll take the one of me talking about Byakko's post in the Yun topic.
So please, if I am right, refute my points for 'why' I say it would have reasonable if I actually had gotten the interpretation that I was the [AI Coder] given his language and the other facts.
What? How can you equate the point here to a situation like that. The situation you posted about would indeed be ridiculous, but here, No. Yes, you said you wanted to make it more clear by using a real-world example, but a link like this, doesn't do it for me, sorry.
Addressed above.QuoteIf the tables were turned I would have more influence, but it wouldn't necessarily be because my personality was more desirable.Huh? Is this supposed to be an argument?? For or against what? Yes, it wouldn't necessarily be because your personality was more desirable. Of course not. Naturally. But that has nothing to do with anything we said so far, and nobody ever claimed that it would.
Anyway, what you said was ridiculous, which is why, I said in the post ou quoted, that I wish I had time to edit that, because it was so ridiculous(to me) in fact, that instead of quickly typing, I should have asked the question I wanted to in the first place.
*I HATE YOU :P*
I do somewhat feel targetted because I'm the one who was sort of called out for it, when it was two sided. But, meh, more than likely I won't say anything (I was actually thinking very negatively of myself for making a 'point the finger' post at all during this thread).
My reply is located diagonal up.This does a great job summing up half of what's been said in this thread, believe it or not.
Top right corner.
readable only by those with a pure heart. teehee
Just post the facts, you will come out as rather rude, but at least you will be read.It's interesting though, with Sepp's point it's kind of coming off as if he wants me to disregard teh facts, BUT, I'm finding something very interesting about his point in relation to the beginnings of this argument (Byakko vs. Me) in the first place.
- After the deleting thing, - tuh, tuh, tuh - you said, "I blame again your complete incapacity at explaining yourself properly..."
Now let me just ask you, in reference to you saying, "blame," are you saying that you made your post about the common1, because I stated something badly, or is your word "blame" in reference to something else. (*I have to know before I make my next point*)
My point is that you KNOW there is more than one reason why someone may post in large text. Why is it that you jumped toward teh negative and why couldn't you just ask.QuoteAnd you yourself, posted when you wrote in big text that you wanted it to be seen. You could have applied that to me and you didn't.Yeah, except not, because, you know... I pointed out what I was doing. My post was not misleading because I said clearly what I was doing. Your post was misleading because you didn't.
Out of your playbook, it looked to you like I was yelling. The fact still remains you could have asked.QuoteWhy go for the negative, even before thinking it out.Because it's you and you're known for doing shit like that. Remember that topic where we had an argument for about 19 pages for something completely retarded ? Yeah, this one here. Or the one when you freaked out because your name was merely mentionned in a discussion about AI patches ?
You're known for doing that, and this post really, really could *not* look like anything other than shouting. If you see something that really looks blue, you're going to call it blue. Even if it's not really blue. So for the same reason, if you really, really look like you're yelling and it doesn't even seem remotely possible that it might be anything else than yelling, you're not going to ask any question.
Your post looked like you were yelling. It did not look like you were just emphasizing a point. So I thought you were yelling. So I said "you're yelling".
One, I never concluded that it was me you were talking about, I'm asking if that conclusion would have been fair.QuoteThat last sentence. How did it relate to teh specific point you were making here?Uh ? It relates because you're the one who doesn't get what people say, and you hastily conclude that you are the one I was talking about, and to this day, you still insist that your conclusion was fair. When you could just have pointed out that qwer was there, then ask if I was blaming you for it.
No. The details made you wrong. Challenge my 'why.'QuoteIf you messed up the detailsYou still don't get that the details didn't have any impact on what I was saying, so of course I ignored them.
How did I misunderstand? You need to kill my 'why.'Quoteand locked yourself, with your own bad wordingSays the guy who adamantly refuses to understand maybe he's the one who misunderstood.
Oh Really? I'm going to addess this below where you say I'm finally understanding Sepp's reason for posting, 'you have more friends than me.'QuoteThis is me countering you with an example that is in both of our memories.This is you countering with something you made up in your mind and refuse to get out of. Also it's not a counter at all since you're not even replying to what I say, it's like you're changing the subject.
Why did you reply to this and not the part I quoted above? I really didn't require an answer to this at all.Quote*Just a question I've been thinking about. A "counter," is it relevant or relevant, when one person makes a point. I mean it is on a polar end isn't it?*A counter-argument is when you give a valid argument that goes against another one that was just said.
Mind you, your "counters" are based on something that has no impact on what I was saying. So what you're doing really is talking about something else.
Your language was bad.QuoteAdding in my details, made your post wrongExcept your detail was irrelevant to the point I was making.
Addressed below with the Sepp thing.QuoteBut then what's the point in saying it in the first place?Because it's a fact that you didn't notice. If you're looking for apples on the south, and a guy comes at yuo and say there's an apple in the north, you really aren't supposed to explain that apples grow on trees. It's irrelevant, and it's what you're doing.
Ahhh, so let's see.QuoteWould it be just the simple fact that he wanted to make a statement?There ! See when you try harder ? You start understanding what people say.
So wait, that automatically means I'm 'puzzling out' their meaning and misinterpretting them?. . . you said you always have a dictionary or thesaurus nearby when reading posts by, I believe it was Winane, DavidGee, Jared or me.-sub-par reading comprehension: you resort to dictionaries to puzzle out individual words and often wrongly interpret posts by other usersWhere? I want some specific examples of this.
. . . and you somehow keep misinterpreting a post I made days ago. Haven't you noticed? You're still asking silly questions about it. Everybody else understood.
I was referiing to one post in particular. You had said that with the point you made that byakko, had more friends than me, that I should have left that as a fact, instead of answering with the actual 'why.'QuoteLogic? You call what you posted "logical?" To make a post that completely ignores the 'why,' has no real point to me. Substantiate it with something, or else its just a point that changes nothing.lol kiss my ass!! No wait---Show me!! Give me at least three specific examples of where exactly I am completely ignoring the why!!!
???QuoteI'm saying this because I don't understand you at all: It seems like you're using the fact that you may be smarter than me (not sure I could word that better), to post something that makes no sense, so any onlooker would just take your side without even thinking about what you said (I'm not saying that's what's going on, i'm saying that's how it seem to me).:thinking2:
So wait, posting the 'why' so that the first interpretation one would get, would be challenged was wrong of me?QuoteYou posted that Byakko had more friends than me. I'm just supposed to sit back and accept that?ROFL
So then what exactly was your point in posting this in teh first place?QuoteNo, I'm going to post the 'why' to make my own point.The first thing you would think. See? What you would think. You. It's all in your head! Haha.
Again, to me it 'seems like' you're posting to onlookers. I know that with you posting someone had more friends than another, the first thing I'd think would be that you were effectively saying, "Person A, is a better person, than Person B."
No, you're full of complete shit. You know how your point would be interpretted and I posted teh 'why' to defend myself against your point. Conveniently though, you want me to ignore the why, which would leave your post unchallenged. You didn't post anything that was, "dead-sure incontestable," you made a point taht ignored precious facts in an effort to counter me, and you failed.QuotePlease tell me, 'why' you used the point that Byakko had more friends than me, in your reply to my post.lol
I pointed at you, and you pointed at Byakko instead. So I used an absolute dead-sure incontestable killer argument to nullify your finger-pointing and point back at you again.
sepp: here read that
hjk: me?!? but byakko--
sepp: --you need it more, your influence is less!
hjk: ... k
Dead-sure like rain drops when it rains and apples falling from trees. Or so I thought.
What? I can't make any sense of this post.QuoteI used that word incorrectly, because I had looked it up before and found a definition (-> logical. Really a synonym). Are you going to use that to cloud everything that I'm posting?Oh fuck you too
You demand specific underlined examples because to you I need to back up every observation and thought I utter. You want to see where I'm getting my ideas from, and when I grant your wish, you do say "I made a mistake" but complain "why the heck do you bring it up now, are you going to hold that thing against me forever?"
jeeeeez---you wanted it that way!
Oh no, I'm not contesting your assertion, I'm asking where specifically, I've done the things you're mentioning.QuoteWTF?! You keep wanting me to post things. You lost the course of the conversation, I think. It went like this:QuoteA high frequency poster who has trouble reading the intention of posts by others and tends to present his unlogical statements in a badly worded blown-up way is likely to cause irritation no matter where he posts or to whom he replies.Oh I see. I want you to post a specific situation, or more than one if you like.
Bad for forum.
sepp makes a guess and says, if correct, that would be bad.
hjk asks, what? don't understand that
sepp clarifies why it would be bad
hjk wants specific situations or more than one (lol!)
Does that mean you contest the notion that somebody who fits my description would be bad for a forum?!? Seriously? You don't get this and want examples of situations in which it would be bad? Or did you forget what we were talking about?
You need to read this entire shitty argument.QuoteI'm gonna make and assumption, and say as one of them you'll take the one of me talking about Byakko's post in the Yun topic.oh fuck your Yun topic
In other words, I am saying that if I had actually made the assertion that I was Byakko's [AI Coder], it would have been reasonable. I'm saying it would have been reasonable, because of the points I outlined here:QuoteSo please, if I am right, refute my points for 'why' I say it would have reasonable if I actually had gotten the interpretation that I was the [AI Coder] given his language and the other facts.Since your assumption is incorrect I won't break my head trying to figure out what the rest of your sentence means.
Oh brother.QuoteWhat? How can you equate the point here to a situation like that. The situation you posted about would indeed be ridiculous, but here, No. Yes, you said you wanted to make it more clear by using a real-world example, but a link like this, doesn't do it for me, sorry.Here, no? Well, why not? What's wrong with the analogies, eh? How are the situations different? I WANT SPECIFIC EXAMPLES HAHA. Two OR MORE IF YOU LIKE. If there's a significant difference, I will even be content with only one. I'm not greedy. lol
Will do eventually.QuoteAnyway, what you said was ridiculous, which is why, I said in the post ou quoted, that I wish I had time to edit that, because it was so ridiculous(to me) in fact, that instead of quickly typing, I should have asked the question I wanted to in the first place.Huh what? . . . just try triple posting again to find out.
If I were a third party, I probably wouldn't have gotten involved until I actually read. But really, I dunno how I'd answer that question. I'd probably try to question both of the people involved. :-\Quote*I HATE YOU :P*Ask yourself one thing.
I do somewhat feel targetted because I'm the one who was sort of called out for it, when it was two sided. But, meh, more than likely I won't say anything (I was actually thinking very negatively of myself for making a 'point the finger' post at all during this thread).
Suppose you were an uninvolved third party. Would you start discussions with Baiken and yourself simultaneously?
No. The details made you wrong. Challenge my 'why.'\
Cyanide, really, please challenge the 'why' I posted. Directly challenge that:QuoteNo. The details made you wrong. Challenge my 'why.'\
No, your details changed some details. His point was and always has been. "The AI coder was responsible for leaking this and should not have done so. I call him to task over this"
You had a supremely useful option at that point of saying "Qwer did it, here's his email take it up with him" Instead you decided he was talking about you. Changed your name, and spent a week with posts involving I AM HJK!! NOT QWER!! Noone really cared about that.
Even with that taken into account it doesn't change what he was saying. If you HAD been responsible then yes he was talking about you. As you weren't he wasn't.
In addition, you are the only one who managed to misunderstand the situation because you happened to have an extra fact that 90% of us would have dealt with differently. Noone else showed up saying "hjk is not qwer" did they? 1 person misunderstanding != first party writing something confusing.
If 10 people, or even 5 had misunderstood him, then you could logically extend that to mean Baiken had worded something badly. As this didn't happen, and you are the only one to misunderstand, the fault is with you, not with him.
YOU as a third party, seem to have come in and just taken a side immediately.I don't see Sepp taking Byakko's side. Seems Sepp doesn't care much about whatever Byakko did or didn't do/say.
I dunno. I guess I'm being kind of harsh with how I'm viewing Sepp's posts but in these it seemed as though he was trying to suggest I had issues...:QuoteYOU as a third party, seem to have come in and just taken a side immediately.I don't see Sepp taking Byakko's side. Seems Sepp doesn't care much about whatever Byakko did or didn't do/say.
The issue is your argumentative abilities... or lack there of.I understand. I really think my big issue as well is articulating what I'm trying to say. That, in writing, has always been a major screw up with me (save a few cases).
I don't have to know what you guys are arguing about to see how you discuss a bit poorly. (Where are you discussing poorly? Lot's of places that I can see. Others can see it too. If I pointed them out I may have to explain why I thought each one was poor and explain that, and reread this, and counter that.
I don't want to "win" a discussion.
There are certain issues I cannot articulate well enough to discuss properly. I try not to discuss those issues much as it would be fruitless.
I'm not attacking you, I'm not choosing sides. I'm merely attempting to explain "why" Sepp is pressing this with you. He's hoping you will see what it is you are doing.I dunno. Maybe it's the way Sepp is going about it that is kind of getting to me.
And for crying out loud, Byakko... just say "I'm sorry" :PI really don't care for an apology, more than I just hope he'll start asking people questions or at least not post so directly. I mean, I've let him do this to 'me' multiple times before, and let them slide. I could go into situations with other people, but God... :wall:
- By matching up the actions with mine after saying, "In this case," he had already made his post specific (as in he made it clear he was talking about the Yun case), and because there was absolutely no one else involved who made my same actions, it would have been completely reasonable to say the [AI Coder] (again ebcause of the "In this case") was me.Thats a yes or no question btw.
- In the end of the post, he says he, "summing things up." That gives teh suggestion that he knows and understands teh situation, which as it turned ou he did not.
I assume you're talking about this?That is part of it.Quote- By matching up the actions with mine after saying, "In this case," he had already made his post specific (as in he made it clear he was talking about the Yun case), and because there was absolutely no one else involved who made my same actions, it would have been completely reasonable to say the [AI Coder] (again ebcause of the "In this case") was me.Thats a yes or no question btw.
- In the end of the post, he says he, "summing things up." That gives teh suggestion that he knows and understands teh situation, which as it turned ou he did not.
Your extra facts do not change his overall message. The ai coders actions were bad. They should take responsibility. Thats what he's saying. You're making this all about you when it's not, and never was.Either way you take it, he got the actions of the [AI Coder] wrong. Besides the bit that matched up with me, qwer never went behind KFM's back and released the patch (none of us did that at all).
I don't need to respond to all your damn points either. They're just mini clarifications/obfuscations on the same damn topic.You should.
No, hjk. You are the demons.It's kind of funny. I'm actually trying to see if anyone will answer me, 'based on Byakko's language.' Not what he meant, but, BASED ON HIS LANGUAGE.
You should.Not really, that would just make a quote filled confusing topic more quote filled and confusing.
He'll quit Mugen and shut down his site as a protest to warehousers.:laugh4:
Wait.
Byakko, tell me how it is possible taht you ended up not replying to this?:Same reason you haven't replied to my own posts.
in reference to you saying, "blame," are you saying that you made your post about the common1, because I stated something badly, or is your word "blame" in reference to something else.Blame generally. Everytime there's a discussion, it's because of that. The communication mistakes that happen between you, Cyanide, me. The way your post looked. The way Cyanide needed to reply to you the very irst time (before you "yelled" at him").
My point is that you KNOW there is more than one reason why someone may post in large text. Why is it that you jumped toward teh negative and why couldn't you just ask.Becauuuuuse you haven't read anything of what I've said. I may know that there are several reasons an apple falls from a tree (someone shakes the tree hard enough, someone hits the apple, or mere gravity) but if I don't see anything that may be a direct cause, I'll assume the apple fell because it was ripe. I'm not going to ask "hey was there anyone hitting the tree with an axe ? You know, I looked very hard and there really wasn't anyone, but still I should ask..."
Out of your playbook, it looked to you like I was yelling.It looked like that to everyone else as well. You would know if you didn't just ignore what others tell you. Remember when Cyanide pointed it out too ? You're just making clearly false statements here.
The fact still remains you could have asked.No.
You have yet to challenge my 'why.'Because you're a moron who still don't understand what we are even talking about.
No. The details made you wrong. Challenge my 'why.'The details did not make what I was saying wrong because they were not related to what I was saying, and I have no reason to do anything about your "why" because it's useless and irrelevant to the discussion.
How did I misunderstand? You need to kill my 'why.'The fact that you're still asking about your "why" is the very proof that you don't get it.
Your language was bad.You did not understand my language and that was the fault of your own inability to understand anything of what you're told. You're the only one who didn't get what I was talking about.
In the beginning of teh argument, when you posted your thing about the common1 (same point as Cyanide), had I said something like, "Byakko, your post is irrelevant, (well actually it should have been 'understood' that I was implying this anyway)" would you have made this post?You're not making any sense.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678847#msg678847
I mean, your post there was of a 'why' point, right? This argument started off by me challenging your 'why.'
Either way, I'd say your 'why' was irrelevant as well because the NOTE, about me mislabeling the glitch, already existed, and let's not forget the fact that you understood teh note, meaning it wasn't my bad wording that made you post something irrelevant, it was something else.
Are you honestly saying that anyone as an onlooker would get some other idea than you effectively saying, 'Byakko, is a better person?'Uh ? His post does NOT look anything like that. He's replying this to have you shut up and not ask about soething that is (as usual) irrelevant. Also me having more friends has absolutely nothing to do with me being a better or worse person. You're just being retardedly stupid.
You know how your point would be interprettedHe showed you a link expecting you to read it because he felt it was appropriate as something you are in need of learning. You're the one who brought that up out of nowhere.
you made a point taht ignored precious facts in an effort to counter me... What he was saying had absolutely nothing to do with what you are saying right now.
I've posted and reposted this. I didn't decide that Byakko, was talking about me. I'm asking that 'IF I HAD GOTTEN THAT INTERPRETATION WOULD IT HAVE BEEN FAIR?'You've gotten your reply several times already. You've ignored all of it so far.
If someone kills my 'why' it would have been reasonable if had I actually concluded that I was the [AI Coder], I will concede. Just kill my 'why.'
I guess I'm being kind of harsh with how I'm viewing Sepp's posts but in these it seemed as though he was trying to suggest I had issues...:Yeah, it's pretty much what he's saying. And it has nothing to do with me, it doesn't even have anything to do with the actual argument between us, but about why we are arguing in the first place.
I dunno. Maybe it's the way Sepp is going about it that is kind of getting to me.Then you're the one who has a problem. Sepp is one of the guys that even I can't just go and say he's wrong when it comes to making an analysis.
he got the actions of the [AI Coder] wrong.You still don't understand that the identity of "the AI coder" doesn't matter in what I'm saying. I've explained that several times and you have ignored all of it.
Besides the bit that matched up with me, qwer never went behind KFM's back and released the patch (none of us did that at all).I already pointed out I did not say that, but you're a moron who doesn't understand what you're told.
And for crying out loud, Byakko... just say "I'm sorry"I don't even know what I'm supposed to apologize for.
When I said, 'enemy' RSers, I meant exclusively those that continued to rant about the Guild Forum. I mean, it dawned on me that people may have thought I meant the full staff there, but I kind of dismissed that possible interpretation. I thought some of my replies would clear it up, but... I should have explicitly said it.Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
I've tried reading everything you've said, and attempted to reply to every question you've handed to me. Every time I have been unable to, i've noted it. Maybe, though, just as I've said, I haven't answered your questions as you wanted.QuoteByakko, tell me how it is possible that you ended up not replying to this?:Same reason you haven't replied to my own posts.
That was shaping up to be quite civil, but I'm not quite sure that end part kept to it.Quotein reference to you saying, "blame," are you saying that you made your post about the common1, because I stated something badly, or is your word "blame" in reference to something else.Blame generally. Everytime there's a discussion, it's because of that. The communication mistakes that happen between you, Cyanide, me. The way your post looked. The way Cyanide needed to reply to you the very irst time (before you "yelled" at him").
Personally, I didn't like that example because this situation is based on a person to person interpretation over a person to occurence interpretation. That probably won't make sense to you, but I dunno how to word it better and an explanantion would take up a ton of space.QuoteMy point is that you KNOW there is more than one reason why someone may post in large text. Why is it that you jumped toward the negative and why couldn't you just ask.Becauuuuuse you haven't read anything of what I've said. I may know that there are several reasons an apple falls from a tree (someone shakes the tree hard enough, someone hits the apple, or mere gravity) but if I don't see anything that may be a direct cause, I'll assume the apple fell because it was ripe. I'm not going to ask "hey was there anyone hitting the tree with an axe ? You know, I looked very hard and there really wasn't anyone, but still I should ask..."
Your post didn't look like anything else, so it was the only reasonable solution I assumed.
I'm probably being a little harsh when I say this, but this is exactly why I'm saying you like to post to onlookers. A huge portion of this discussion was me differenciating between what you and Cyanide actually said. First of all, I haven't ignored Cyanide's posts, I've quoted them every time and answered them. How many times have I lined your posts up one beneath the other to challenge what seems to be your suggestion that you said, "seemed like." Let me clarify, you said your post was the same as Cyanide's (You almost made it seem like your original post added I the 'seemed like'). In an effort to show you just how wrong that was, I posted yours and Cyanide's quotes and highlighted the fact that Cyanide said, 'hjk, your post did come off as shouting' (<- Not Definite), whereas yours said, 'hjk, you were yelling' (<- Definite). That is the STRICT fact.QuoteOut of your playbook, it looked to you like I was yelling.It looked like that to everyone else as well. You would know if you didn't just ignore what others tell you. Remember when Cyanide pointed it out too ? You're just making clearly false statements here.
Wel actually yes, it does. You can always ask, but let me switch it up and ask you this again.QuoteThe fact still remains you could have asked.No.
What? I posted the reasons why your language was bad. If you deny that your language was bad at all, then why don't you challenge what I've utlined?QuoteYou have yet to challenge my 'why.'Because you're a moron who still don't understand what we are even talking about.
Oh but they did make you wrong. No way that you plug your opost into the situation that you were "summing up," could the details in your post be crrect.QuoteNo. The details made you wrong. Challenge my 'why.'The details did not make what I was saying wrong because they were not related to what I was saying, and I have no reason to do anything about your "why" because it's useless and irrelevant to the discussion.
Sure it is.QuoteHow did I misunderstand? You need to kill my 'why.'The fact that you're still asking about your "why" is the very proof that you don't get it.
Fine. Since you feel that way, please read my 'why' your language was bad, and make a reply that kills my points.QuoteYour language was bad.You did not understand my language and that was the fault of your own inability to understand anything of what you're told. You're the only one who didn't get what I was talking about.
I was afraid you'd say sometjhing like that. Let me attempt to clarify my question:QuoteIn the beginning of the argument, when you posted your thing about the common1 (same point as Cyanide), had I said something like, "Byakko, your post is irrelevant, (well actually it should have been 'understood' that I was implying this anyway)" would you have made this post?You're not making any sense.
http://mugenguild.com/forumx/index.php?topic=80111.msg678847#msg678847
I mean, your post there was of a 'why' point, right? This argument started off by me challenging your 'why.'
Either way, I'd say your 'why' was irrelevant as well because the NOTE, about me mislabeling the glitch, already existed, and let's not forget the fact that you understood the note, meaning it wasn't my bad wording that made you post something irrelevant, it was something else.
So then what the heck does the post mean? And by the way, the way that conversation went down, its more like:QuoteAre you honestly saying that anyone as an onlooker would get some other idea than you effectively saying, 'Byakko, is a better person?'Uh ? His post does NOT look anything like that. He's replying this to have you shut up and not ask about soething that is (as usual) irrelevant. Also me having more friends has absolutely nothing to do with me being a better or worse person. You're just being retardedly stupid.
I wouldn't say nwehere. I read the title and mislead myself. That is my fault indeed. I'm happy I eventually asked what the post was about, but yes, it did bring me a degree of shame (if Sepp's post about the articles contents is correct).QuoteYou know how your point would be interprettedHe showed you a link expecting you to read it because he felt it was appropriate as something you are in need of learning. You're the one who brought that up out of nowhere.
Answered/outlined above.Quoteyou made a point that ignored precious facts in an effort to counter me... What he was saying had absolutely nothing to do with what you are saying right now.
Actually I haven't. I'm saying if you're going to make a fair' reply, challenge my 'why.'QuoteI've posted and reposted this. I didn't decide that Byakko, was talking about me. I'm asking that 'IF I HAD GOTTEN THAT INTERPRETATION WOULD IT HAVE BEEN FAIR?'You've gotten your reply several times already. You've ignored all of it so far.
If someone kills my 'why' it would have been reasonable if had I actually concluded that I was the [AI Coder], I will concede. Just kill my 'why.'
But isn't it pretty clear that the argument between US TWO, started with you?QuoteI guess I'm being kind of harsh with how I'm viewing Sepp's posts but in these it seemed as though he was trying to suggest I had issues...:Yeah, it's pretty much what he's saying. And it has nothing to do with me, it doesn't even have anything to do with the actual argument between us, but about why we are arguing in the first place.
So wait, Sepp can say that he probably has bias, does not trust me, and come in making a post that wasn't necessarily a good reflection of me, and I shouldn't have a problem? I'll say no to that thank you.QuoteI dunno. Maybe it's the way Sepp is going about it that is kind of getting to me.Then you're the one who has a problem. Sepp is one of the guys that even I can't just go and say he's wrong when it comes to making an analysis.
You didn't even quote all of that reply. You know that no matter how you line up the situation, your facts were wrong, minus the fact that your language was abd.Quotehe got the actions of the [AI Coder] wrong.You still don't understand that the identity of "the AI coder" doesn't matter in what I'm saying. I've explained that several times and you have ignored all of it.
Oh please. You need to read, why your language was bad, byakko. I outlined it for you:QuoteBesides the bit that matched up with me, qwer never went behind KFM's back and released the patch (none of us did that at all).I already pointed out I did not say that, but you're a moron who doesn't understand what you're told.
The sad fact is Byakko, that is not what your sentences said.Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
is in this specifc situation, were you blaming the reason you made that first post which you deleted on my bad language?Uh ? The first post I deleted ? I said already that I deleted it because it was inappropriate. That's not related.
I'm glad that you said, you assumed.... I said that several time. Ever since you explained that no, you weren't yelling. I still blame it ("it" as in, the way I and everyone else assumed that you were yelling) on the way you post and express yourself.
A huge portion of this discussion was me differenciating between what you and Cyanide actually said.We've already gone over how it was normal for me to say "you were yelling" without adding "it seems like" back the first time. Of course what I and Cyanide said are different. It's perfectly normal.
(You almost made it seem like your original post added I the 'seemed like').No, I didn't. I've said it before, but I've mentionned my original "you're yelling" only twice until you exploded about it. And those two times, I said... Well, the same thing. If you looked like you were yelling, it's normal that I said "you're yelling". I said it because it looked like you were yelling. And after you pointed out that you really weren't, I certainly did not backtrack and act like I said "looked like" the very first time. I already accepted that you really weren't yelling and I have also accepted that saying "you're yelling" was incorrect. I'm still saying it was normal of me to make such a mistake.
Wel actually yes, it does. You can always askI could ask, but if you really didn't look like anything other than yelling, I would have no reason to even think about asking. Like I said, if it really, really, really looks like that, I have no reason to even doubt, to even think it might be anything else. Even if it turns out it was incorrect. So no, I can't ask about anything. I can't go and ask, are you really sure it's 9 PM ? Isn't it 9:01 PM instead ? Are you really, really sure that there's no cloud in the sky ?
Byakko, PLEASE, won't you please in the future try to slow down and ask people some questions if a situation like this comes up again.In a situation similar to this ? No. I made a mistake by saying "you're yelling" the very first time, it turned out that you really weren't yelling, but the reason I said it to begin with is that you really did look like you were yelling. I can accept that I made a mistake and that you really weren't yelling, but you kinda are the one who expressed yourself improperly and ended up looking like you were yelling.
I posted the reasons why your language was bad.No, you posted the reason why you misunderstood it, but if you're the only one who misunderstood it, it's not really my fault, it's how *you* ave a tendency to interpret improperly what others tell you. I'm sorry you misunderstood, but here as well, it's not really my fault. While my language was surely not perfect, it wasn't "bad", it was normal. If I made a mistake in thinking you were yelling, you also made a mistake when misreading my language.
Oh but they did make you wrong.It didn't change anything of my point and only details were changed, details that did not matter in the point I was making, so it made my point "not accurate" but not "wrong".
please read my 'why' your language was bad, and make a reply that kills my points.Well you say it was bad but you're the only one who thinks so. So the conclusion is that you're the one who misinterpreted it. Because of your own comprehension problems.
Was the post [...] blaming my bad language for why you made an irrelevant reply.I'm sorry, even making it as short as possible, I don't understand the sense of your question. If I look at the post you link to, all I can say is that I already answered that : this post was saying that I blame those kind of circumstances (generally speaking) on your problems in expressing yourself and understanding others. It was not directly relevant to the glitch itself, but it was relevant to how Cyanide made his very first reply at you and how you "looked like" you were yelling at him afterward.
So then what the heck does the post mean?Eh-- wha-- UH ?? BUT I JUST SAID IT in what you quote !
what interpretation I should have gotten from his reply?*I suggest you point out which reply, then. When he gave you the link, or when he replied that I have more friends/influence than you ?
I'm saying if you're going to make a fair' reply, challenge my 'why.'Why it would or not have been reasonable to think you were the AI coder ? I've explained that several times already.
But isn't it pretty clear that the argument between US TWO, started with you?I made a statement in saying that you don't express yourself properly. An insulting comment, certainly. You made an argument out of it. You can't just go and put all the blame on me. You replied to my insult ? Well, I replied to how you posted like a jackass. I still blame "it" on your comprehension/expression problems.
So wait, Sepp can say that he probably has bias, does not trust me, and come in making a post that wasn't necessarily a good reflection of me, and I shouldn't have a problem?Exactly, because all of that does not influence anything of the suggestion he is making to you. It's still true that you need to shorten your posts, it's still true that you need to organize your thoughts and the way you express yourself, it's still true that you have a problem in understanding others.
your facts were wrongMy DETAILS were wrong. Not my facts. And those details did not change anything of what I was saying. So thanks but no thanks.
You need to read, why your language was bad, byakko.All of this is still your own interpretation of it. If you're the one who has problems understanding people, it doesn't make my language bad. Yes, I said in this case, yes, the actions of the AI coder matched you, big deal. We've gone countless times over why it didn't change anything and why you're the one focusing on the WRONG things.
The sad fact is Byakko, that is not what your sentences said.Yes and it's still exactly the same thing. Also, I did say "whether it was intentional or not" and you didn't keep that. My point still stands, all of those sentences, including the one you say I said, including the entirety of what I really said, including the point I really was making whether you understood it properly or not, mean the same thing.
This is your sentence:
"In this case the [AI Coder] asked the representative of the original creator if he could release the patch. The creator said, "No" and what do you know, the [AI Coder] did it anyway....I'm just summing things up"
In your sentence, you make the [AI Coder] out as someone who knowingly, knowingly, KNOWINGLY betrayed his word.Unless you're not quoting all of it and are leaving out the part where I added "whether it was intentional or not". My point was still about how the LEAK was a bad thing, whether it was intentional or not. Not the "betraying his words" part. I was talking about the fact that the file was made public at all, not about betrayal or whatever. All of this was in reply to people who were wondering why KFM didn't want the file up, so I explained, with a shortened summary, that it was a leak. Intentional or not, leaked by you or qwer, coded by you or qwer, it didn't matter. And I did point that out.
Sepp forgot to point out the "DAMMIT READ MY POST I ALREADY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION, IT'S SO OBVIOUS I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO LINK TO THAT POST, GO FIND IT YOURSELF" trend
HJK, you should realy come to France in preparatory classes for engineer schools. In litterature lessons, they teach you how to summarize a 3 pages text in 120 words (+/- 10%). If you put one word more than what is authorized, you get a "0" mark.Out of curiosity, I decided to see how many sheets of paper it would take to print out this page.Do you hate the trees so much ? :(
The answer is 14.
GOLDEN IDEA: when it reaches 20 pages, scatter all the posts in the coliseum thread through several random topics!!!
Wait, then what was your second post "blaming" me for?Quoteis in this specifc situation, were you blaming the reason you made that first post which you deleted on my bad language?Uh ? The first post I deleted ? I said already that I deleted it because it was inappropriate. That's not related.
Wait, woah, woah, woah, we need to get some post orders down, because this situation just got a whole lot more confusing:QuoteI'm glad that you said, you assumed.... I said that several time. Ever since you explained that no, you weren't yelling. I still blame it ("it" as in, the way I and everyone else assumed that you were yelling) on the way you post and express yourself.
NOOO! No more mugen glitches, please. There is invulnerability in the base common1.cns during the getup state and it lasts for 5 ticks afterward. Other people may change this. Please go and LOOK before calling it a glitch, even then, it's probably not a glitch.
Most AI characters on wakeup would attack with something like a combo starter or a super... In this situation, they'd probably get thrown instead.
... *Big Text**Reply you deleted*
I mislabeled it though; that is not a "wake-up" glitch (no that isn't meant to be a taunt).
Well obviously you missed the part where it's flat-out written in the common1.cns and called it a glitch anyway !*My reply which I later deleted because you had deleted yours*
OMG Byakko, did you read that. I'm not calling that a glitch, I switched what I was talking about.
Try reading ::)
I blame again your complete incapacity at explaining yourself properly. And if you aknowledged that you used the wrong word and fixed it, you're really a goddamn jackass to write like you did in your previous post. Don't tell people to read your posts properly if you can't write properly.
WHAT THE FUCK.
YOU WERE WRONG FOR NOT READING. That, "I mislabeled it though; that is not a "wake-up" glitch" was there from the beginning; stop being hasty and read.
You called it a glitch first, Cyanide replied, you corrected yourself. Where am I wrong ? You're still a goddamn jackass and can't accept it when you make mistakes."Yelling" was not mentioned until 2 posts later. I think this is the source of our current confusion.
Ah good. Some of your posts seemed to suggest you were equating them.QuoteA huge portion of this discussion was me differenciating between what you and Cyanide actually said.We've already gone over how it was normal for me to say "you were yelling" without adding "it seems like" back the first time. Of course what I and Cyanide said are different. It's perfectly normal.
OK. I'll leave it there.Quote(You almost made it seem like your original post added I the 'seemed like').No, I didn't. I've said it before, but I've mentionned my original "you're yelling" only twice until you exploded about it. And those two times, I said... Well, the same thing. If you looked like you were yelling, it's normal that I said "you're yelling". I said it because it looked like you were yelling. And after you pointed out that you really weren't, I certainly did not backtrack and act like I said "looked like" the very first time. I already accepted that you really weren't yelling and I have also accepted that saying "you're yelling" was incorrect. I'm still saying it was normal of me to make such a mistake.
I wouldn't exactly equate these examples to this situation, but I do understand what you're saying.QuoteWel actually yes, it does. You can always askI could ask, but if you really didn't look like anything other than yelling, I would have no reason to even think about asking. Like I said, if it really, really, really looks like that, I have no reason to even doubt, to even think it might be anything else. Even if it turns out it was incorrect. So no, I can't ask about anything. I can't go and ask, are you really sure it's 9 PM ? Isn't it 9:01 PM instead ? Are you really, really sure that there's no cloud in the sky ?
I addressed this above.QuoteByakko, PLEASE, won't you please in the future try to slow down and ask people some questions if a situation like this comes up again.In a situation similar to this ? No. I made a mistake by saying "you're yelling" the very first time, it turned out that you really weren't yelling, but the reason I said it to begin with is that you really did look like you were yelling. I can accept that I made a mistake and that you really weren't yelling, but you kinda are the one who expressed yourself improperly and ended up looking like you were yelling.
I can't reply to this. Damn it, I would feel so bad.QuoteI posted the reasons why your language was bad.No, you posted the reason why you misunderstood it, but if you're the only one who misunderstood it, it's not really my fault, it's how *you* ave a tendency to interpret improperly what others tell you. I'm sorry you misunderstood, but here as well, it's not really my fault. While my language was surely not perfect, it wasn't "bad", it was normal. If I made a mistake in thinking you were yelling, you also made a mistake when misreading my language.
Ehhh.QuoteOh but they did make you wrong.It didn't change anything of my point and only details were changed, details that did not matter in the point I was making, so it made my point "not accurate" but not "wrong".
I wouldn't say that. It's a clear fact that no one really likes to read my posts, so if someone would be kind enough to address why my comprehension problems were bad as it concerned my outline, I would be very appeciative. It would probably lead to a better understanding.Quoteplease read my 'why' your language was bad, and make a reply that kills my points.Well you say it was bad but you're the only one who thinks so. So the conclusion is that you're the one who misinterpreted it. Because of your own comprehension problems.
I mean no offense to you, but I posted the conversation above.QuoteWas the post [...] blaming my bad language for why you made an irrelevant reply.I'm sorry, even making it as short as possible, I don't understand the sense of your question. If I look at the post you link to, all I can say is that I already answered that : this post was saying that I blame those kind of circumstances (generally speaking) on your problems in expressing yourself and understanding others. It was not directly relevant to the glitch itself, but it was relevant to how Cyanide made his very first reply at you and how you "looked like" you were yelling at him afterward.
It'll be hard to explain what I mean. I guess I'll need Sepp's actual reply to attempt to clarify what i mean afterward.QuoteSo then what the heck does the post mean?Eh-- wha-- UH ?? BUT I JUST SAID IT in what you quote !
I'll be rereading. Given how the conversation went though, I'm not sure I'll be able to wrap myself around it.Quotewhat interpretation I should have gotten from his reply?*I suggest you point out which reply, then. When he gave you the link, or when he replied that I have more friends/influence than you ?
If it's the link, it's because he thought it would help you. If it's about the friends/influence thing, he already explained it and I repeated it in what you just quoted of me.
I would really hate to make a reply to this.QuoteI'm saying if you're going to make a fair' reply, challenge my 'why.'Why it would or not have been reasonable to think you were the AI coder ? I've explained that several times already.
-You knew about qwer and I didn't, so it's you who should have pointed it out to let me know
-I already said the identity of the AI coder didn't change anything of the point I was making, so jumping to conclusions on a detail was not a fair conclusion.
I'll give you that. It does take 2 to Tango.QuoteBut isn't it pretty clear that the argument between US TWO, started with you?I made a statement in saying that you don't express yourself properly. An insulting comment, certainly. You made an argument out of it. You can't just go and put all the blame on me. You replied to my insult ? Well, I replied to how you posted like a jackass. I still blame "it" on your comprehension/expression problems.
I have to cut it off there. Sepp's initial posts were more like him saying he feels uneasy about me, whereas he trusts you. The ones about language, as I recall and could be wrong, came later.QuoteSo wait, Sepp can say that he probably has bias, does not trust me, and come in making a post that wasn't necessarily a good reflection of me, and I shouldn't have a problem?Exactly, because all of that does not influence anything of the suggestion he is making to you. It's still true that you need to shorten your posts, it's still true that you need to organize your thoughts and the way you express yourself, it's still true that you have a problem in understanding others.
Whether Sepp has a bias or not, whether you can't be really trusted, doesn't change any of that. So it's still a valid "feedback", a comment, a suggestion to improve, and it still stands. Just because you don't like it, just because Sepp has a bias, doesn't change the fact that it's true.I dunno. I'm not really sure I understand what you mean, but I feel as though if I replied on what I was getting, I'd be starting a new case of drama.
Uh. Yes and No, but I don't want to create a more dramatic situation.Quoteyour facts were wrongMy DETAILS were wrong. Not my facts. And those details did not change anything of what I was saying. So thanks but no thanks.
Addressed above. I would like someone to really sit down and disect that post and tell me why my points for why were misguided.QuoteYou need to read, why your language was bad, byakko.All of this is still your own interpretation of it. If you're the one who has problems understanding people, it doesn't make my language bad. Yes, I said in this case, yes, the actions of the AI coder matched you, big deal. We've gone countless times over why it didn't change anything and why you're the one focusing on the WRONG things.
Woah, from what I remember the "whether it was intentional or not," was not in your original posts of the thread. The "whether it was intentional or not," as I recall, came after I posted what teh true details of the situation was. What I'm really focused on, was that sentence and its wording, but... *it iis teh drama.*QuoteThe sad fact is Byakko, that is not what your sentences said.Yes and it's still exactly the same thing. Also, I did say "whether it was intentional or not" and you didn't keep that. My point still stands, all of those sentences, including the one you say I said, including the entirety of what I really said, including the point I really was making whether you understood it properly or not, mean the same thing.
This is your sentence:
"In this case the [AI Coder] asked the representative of the original creator if he could release the patch. The creator said, "No" and what do you know, the [AI Coder] did it anyway....I'm just summing things up"
Addressed just above.QuoteIn your sentence, you make the [AI Coder] out as someone who knowingly, knowingly, KNOWINGLY betrayed his word.Unless you're not quoting all of it and are leaving out the part where I added "whether it was intentional or not". My point was still about how the LEAK was a bad thing, whether it was intentional or not. Not the "betraying his words" part. I was talking about the fact that the file was made public at all, not about betrayal or whatever. All of this was in reply to people who were wondering why KFM didn't want the file up, so I explained, with a shortened summary, that it was a leak. Intentional or not, leaked by you or qwer, coded by you or qwer, it didn't matter. And I did point that out.
I would like to point out that anyone replying to a post that consists mostly ofCyanide, I'm tempted to just say what I really, really, want to, but I'll just say, READ. I outlined how the conversation went above, and I think that is the major source of the misunderstanding.
YOU ARE NOT READING MY POSTS I DID NOT SAY THAT MY TEXT SHALL NOW INCREASE IN SIZE!!
Would certainly not ask said person "Are you yelling?" Nor would they backtrack and say "stop yelling, unless you're not yelling in the first place"
People come to logical conclusions based on prior experience. Prior experience would lead just about everyone to believe you to be yelling.
Misunderstanding of one person != first person writing anything incorrectly.
Misunderstanding of everyone = first person writing badly.
Wait, then what was your second post "blaming" me for?I blamed the fact that Cyanide needed to reply to you the way he did (the very first time) and your reaction to it, the way you posted. Like I said in my first post not counting the deleted one, you posted like a jackass. I was referring to your constant change of size and caps and all. What I blamed was the way the discussion was going. The general behavior.
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I mean no offense to you, but I posted the conversation above.
"Yelling" appeared very late.
I dunno. I'm not really sure I understand what you mean, but I feel as though if I replied on what I was getting, I'd be starting a new case of drama.Take a universal truth. No matter who is saying it, no matter what sentiments made that person say it, whether he hates the one he's saying it to or trusts him blindly, it's still a universal truth. No bias affect that truth in any way. That's the point I'm getting at.
What I'm really focused on, was that sentence and its wordingi.e., a detail.
Cyanide, I'm tempted to just say what I really, really, want to, but I'll just say, READ.Uh, you haven't even read what he said. Reading the exact situation has nothing to do with what he said in what you quote. Why would he need to reread the precise details of the whole thing ? It's completely unrelated to the point he's making. >_> Again, reading comprehension.
I see. I thought you were blaming my language for your deleted reply (just based on how that conversation was going).QuoteWait, then what was your second post "blaming" me for?I blamed the fact that Cyanide needed to reply to you the way he did (the very first time) and your reaction to it, the way you posted. Like I said in my first post not counting the deleted one, you posted like a jackass. I was referring to your constant change of size and caps and all. What I blamed was the way the discussion was going. The general behavior.
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I mean no offense to you, but I posted the conversation above.
"Yelling" appeared very late.
For me again, based on the conversation, yes, it was a truth, but the message did't come off too well to me (that sentence was hard to word... and be short with).QuoteI dunno. I'm not really sure I understand what you mean, but I feel as though if I replied on what I was getting, I'd be starting a new case of drama.Take a universal truth. No matter who is saying it, no matter what sentiments made that person say it, whether he hates the one he's saying it to or trusts him blindly, it's still a universal truth. No bias affect that truth in any way. That's the point I'm getting at.
What really kept me going was you telling me to learn English in the past. While I admit that sometimes I have problems expressing myself properly on the net, I just thought I'd use that sentence to flip your assertion back onto you.QuoteWhat I'm really focused on, was that sentence and its wordingi.e., a detail.
Let's compare it to the current situation. I first said you were yelling, then you replied that it wasn't your intention and explained why it looked like that. And I dropped it and stopped saying "you're yelling".
So, when that very first sentence ticked you off, but I pointed out that it may or may not have been intentional (and I'm still pretty sure I said it the very first time), what stopped you from just accepting it and dropping it now that it was cleared ? You just can't have kept going on if you did get that I was specifying "whether it was intentional or not", if your version is correct.
I think it was the fact he kept the topic at yelling that got to me, but meh. Really my point was that the conversation between you and I didn't 'seem to' start off with a discussion about yelling. Rereading Cyanide's post though, I don't think I should reply (not to be rude, just to avoid any argument).QuoteCyanide, I'm tempted to just say what I really, really, want to, but I'll just say, READ.Uh, you haven't even read what he said. Reading the exact situation has nothing to do with what he said in what you quote. Why would he need to reread the precise details of the whole thing ? It's completely unrelated to the point he's making. >_> Again, reading comprehension.