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Title: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: XamΣeta on January 28, 2009, 04:34:17 pm
Open discussion.

(http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/9633/a3020eu0.png) Ryu-X by Limited Moon

(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/8333/mugen1nj5.png) Ryu by Scar

(http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/1701/mugen0gj5.png) Ryu by GGN

(http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5369/a1961zb5.png) MVC2 Ryu by XZero

(http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/586/b1961am9.png) Ryu/Evil Ryu by Kamekaze

Any others I missed?
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: Siebzehn on January 28, 2009, 05:41:01 pm
I would guess you were looking for the most accurate MvC Ryu... Until I saw some of your chouces...
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: ExShadow on January 28, 2009, 06:08:02 pm
you missed mvc2 ryu by xzero

it can be found here (http://www.freewebs.com/xzeropalace/)
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: XamΣeta on January 28, 2009, 06:08:25 pm
I would guess you were looking for the most accurate MvC Ryu... Until I saw some of your chouces...

Well, I do have these and have played with them as well. I would like to have feedback from the forums as to which one people here think is the most Accurate as far as MVC playability/controls goes.

you missed mvc2 ryu by xzero

I did, thanks! Added.
Also, I've ruled out Mystik Blaze's Evil Ryu, because it's more a custom edit than MVC style...I just noticed it also lack Super Jump, so yeah.
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: ExShadow on January 28, 2009, 06:17:46 pm
i would say go with either kamakaze's or zero's ryu they are both so hard to shoose from XD
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: XamΣeta on January 28, 2009, 06:26:45 pm
i would say go with either kamakaze's or zero's ryu they are both so hard to shoose from XD

They are good, but they lack switching between Akuma and Ken modes. Now, I don't exactly remember if Ryu was still able to do this in MVC2 but it's more likely he didn't because Akuma and Ken were included in the char lineup of that game. Also, given that both conversions by XZero's and Kamekaze's are MVC2 style it's understandable if they didn't include these modes of play.

My favorite still, is GGN's even if it's and old char it does retain these two Switching modes faithfully...although the palettes don't change between modes, which is something I will be trying to patch eventually.
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: supermystery on January 28, 2009, 08:21:00 pm
GGNs Ryu isnt the most accurate but its the most fun IMO

for accuracy kamekazes is better
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: Siebzehn on January 28, 2009, 08:22:12 pm
My point is that if you want accuracy to MvC  style, why have Vyn's Ryu up there?

You're basically amassing a list of MvC styled Ryu's, regardless of accuracy... And forgot RyuDG.
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: Bastard Wolf on January 28, 2009, 08:23:35 pm
GGNs Ryu isnt the most accurate but its the most fun IMO
I agree.
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: Jesuszilla on January 28, 2009, 08:24:56 pm
A ruler and a stopwatch (http://trinitymugen.net/forum/index.php?topic=655.msg5265#msg5265): the only tools you need to get accurate velocities
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: Siebzehn on January 28, 2009, 08:27:16 pm
And maybe math skills.
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: Anjel on January 28, 2009, 11:54:40 pm
LOL! He actually used a stopwatch? :lugoi:
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: Cybaster on January 29, 2009, 01:17:52 am
That's how they measure time at Olympic games, especially on the 100 meter yard competition.
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: XamΣeta on February 23, 2009, 01:05:29 am
My point is that if you want accuracy to MvC  style, why have Vyn's Ryu up there?

You're basically amassing a list of MvC styled Ryu's, regardless of accuracy... And forgot RyuDG.

Well, yeah...after giving your post a look I gave Vyn's Ryu and Evil Ryu a spin and they seem way too customized, so I've taken them down from the list in regards to not having MvC accuracy.

and what do you mean I'm amassing a list? How else would I've open this discussion thread. :P
Good point about RyuDG...he might be MvC style, but he is SF3 sprited, thus violating the first law of accuracy...his looks on screen.

Now I read the whole stopwatch thing....wow.

Anyways, back on topic guys....some of you still lack to mention who you think is the most accurate.


@ Rajaa

I don't know about Xzero's yet, and I'm not one to bash on creators for their chars, but he feels like a beta and seems to be missing things, but it's looking good nonetheless.
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: Kamekaze on February 23, 2009, 01:25:21 am
A ruler and a stopwatch (http://trinitymugen.net/forum/index.php?topic=655.msg5265#msg5265): the only tools you need to get accurate velocities

I only used that on sagat. No reason to bring that up here. And i didn't use a ruler either.
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: XamΣeta on February 23, 2009, 01:36:48 am
A ruler and a stopwatch (http://trinitymugen.net/forum/index.php?topic=655.msg5265#msg5265): the only tools you need to get accurate velocities

I only used that on sagat. No reason to bring that up here. And i didn't use a ruler either.

Yeah...sorry this thread keeps steering in the wrong direction, but I just want to say you shouldn't be ashamed to use means and ways that work for you towards getting results. If people want to ridiculize your ways, that's their problem...let THEM be stupid about it. You could've used a sand hourglass, but still...you getting results is what counts, right?

BTW, since you're one of the creators of the Ryu(s) in question...would you mind shedding some feedback while you're here?
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: Siebzehn on February 23, 2009, 03:48:21 pm
My point is that if you want accuracy to MvC  style, why have Vyn's Ryu up there?

You're basically amassing a list of MvC styled Ryu's, regardless of accuracy... And forgot RyuDG.

and what do you mean I'm amassing a list? How else would I've open this discussion thread. :P

I think you may have read that part out of context. You wanted MvC accurate Ryu's, but after looking at the list, as a joke, I pretty much said you forgot RyuDG in your MvC styled Ryu list.
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: ☠Guardian Angel★☃ on February 23, 2009, 03:55:26 pm
GGNs Ryu isnt the most accurate but its the most fun IMO
I agree.

Third'd. The other modes might not be for purists though, and he needs some cmd priorities fixed too. Also it's fun how he used to be legally hosted in at least 3 sites, but all went offline. --;

Limited Moon's is my second.
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: Kamekaze on February 23, 2009, 04:56:25 pm
not sure what u mean by feedback but my ryu is pretty much the most accurate mvc2 char you'll find today. He was made at the "normal" speed setting in mvc2 which i guess some people don't like cause hes too slow. What they don't realize is that even mvc1 ryu wasn't that fast as say XZero's. I found his to be a bit too fast, but that's just my opinion. Most of those other ryu's I haven't tried but I always wanted N64mario's.

Edit: That screen shot your using for XZero's Ryu is another screen shot of my ryu.  ???
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 23, 2009, 05:33:43 pm
not sure what u mean by feedback but my ryu is pretty much the most accurate mvc2 char you'll find today. He was made at the "normal" speed setting in mvc2 which i guess some people don't like cause hes too slow. What they don't realize is that even mvc1 ryu wasn't that fast as say XZero's. I found his to be a bit too fast, but that's just my opinion. Most of those other ryu's I haven't tried but I always wanted N64mario's.

Edit: That screen shot your using for XZero's Ryu is another screen shot of my ryu.  ???

that's a bold statement, which paremeters did you get from the game and using which methods ?
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: Kamekaze on February 23, 2009, 08:40:10 pm
i played mvc2 extensively with ryu as well as converting damages over to mugen from the attack damage display. not to mention recording my self playing it and comparing it with me playing with ryu in mugen to make sure what i can do in mugen was possible in mvc2. I also had a group of beta testers who were very strong in mvc2.
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: Bastard Mami on February 23, 2009, 10:23:54 pm
That sounds decent, top down as opossed to the common bottom up aproach; funny thing is that bottom up normally gets better and easier results. i.e. hack/research the game as deep as possible, while getting the little paremeters that make up the character in the end the result will be accurate because every single little thing is accurate.
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: Kamekaze on February 23, 2009, 11:04:36 pm
well if someone were to do that then they may make a more accurate version than mine. What i ment by the most accurate is that it is the closest you will find to mvc2. As in all sounds and fx are intact pretty much.
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: amilcar on June 04, 2009, 08:17:46 am
;D hello my favorite char is ryu and this issue is very interesting to me, I am learning about mugen and I would like to see a job that state for long pe
, MaxBeta say a patch that will turn on you should see this I think that eh echo ryuggn with style mvc2 is not yet finalized, I would love to see someone that entail using the advance and give me your views and help me to be difficult Remove bugs and other things, I love the ryu of kamekaze and ryu XZERO to be very similar to the original Mvc2Ryu.

where I can put the download link of char produced ryuggn to convert a mvc2? that ,pallets arranged in 2 ways to 70% would like to see someone, I think this has a future.
sorry for my bad English.

this is what I mean.

normal Ryu
(http://imagecloset.com/24/62e372d53d49b4777677c5ae120d14fb/mugen0.jpg) (http://imagecloset.com)
Evil Ryu
(http://imagecloset.com/24/274f662f9e8d6b7309e70001a5a67383/mugen5.jpg) (http://imagecloset.com)
Ryu Ken mode
(http://imagecloset.com/24/94396c5ca826dea7d326c20f7bbc62f7/mugen1.jpg) (http://imagecloset.com)


Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: SolidZone 26 on June 06, 2009, 01:33:05 am
For accuracy, I personally like Limited Moon's for MvC and Xzero's for MvC2. I wouldn't use GGN's Ryu. I do like the Akuma and Ken forms but I still won't because I found a noticeable bug on him that will mess up the gameplay of the character (aka an infinite).

Any others I missed?
You also missed DarkCipherLucius's Ryu. It technically an edit of GGN's Ryu but it was edited to play more like MvC2.

It can be found here (http://www.freewebs.com/darklucius/).
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: \0/ sunbro on June 07, 2009, 03:46:42 am
;D hello my favorite char is ryu and this issue is very interesting to me, I am learning about mugen and I would like to see a job that state for long pe
, MaxBeta say a patch that will turn on you should see this I think that eh echo ryuggn with style mvc2 is not yet finalized, I would love to see someone that entail using the advance and give me your views and help me to be difficult Remove bugs and other things, I love the ryu of kamekaze and ryu XZERO to be very similar to the original Mvc2Ryu.

where I can put the download link of char produced ryuggn to convert a mvc2? that ,pallets arranged in 2 ways to 70% would like to see someone, I think this has a future.
sorry for my bad English.

this is what I mean.

normal Ryu
[url=http://imagecloset.com/24/62e372d53d49b4777677c5ae120d14fb/mugen0.jpg]http://imagecloset.com/24/62e372d53d49b4777677c5ae120d14fb/mugen0.jpg (http://imagecloset.com)[/URL]
Evil Ryu
[url=http://imagecloset.com/24/274f662f9e8d6b7309e70001a5a67383/mugen5.jpg]http://imagecloset.com/24/274f662f9e8d6b7309e70001a5a67383/mugen5.jpg (http://imagecloset.com)[/URL]
Ryu Ken mode
[url=http://imagecloset.com/24/94396c5ca826dea7d326c20f7bbc62f7/mugen1.jpg]http://imagecloset.com/24/94396c5ca826dea7d326c20f7bbc62f7/mugen1.jpg (http://imagecloset.com)[/URL]



well you can upload it on esnips or 4shared...
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: JudoKingAnthony on September 05, 2010, 01:49:25 am
Sorry to bump, but uh, Kamekaze, your Ryu is probably the best MvC ryu in Mugen. It plays just like the real thing. Even your evil ryu feels legit. Mugen needs more characters like these. Your ryu is even scaled perfectly and it doesnt look like a smooshed goomba. You should assist the infinity mugen team a little, make some perfect characters for their Mvc mugen.
Title: Re: MvC Style Ryu....Who's is the most approximate conversion?
Post by: Voltron-o on September 05, 2010, 03:19:26 am
i think Ryu-X, has evil mode too, but yeah kamekaze is good too c'mon not much difference