People complaining about Devil Jin and Jin truly don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

They're totally different characters that contribute hugely to the game, maybe not story-wise but gameplay-wise. Jin is a Jin that spent 2 years forgetting his Mishima ways and learning traditional Karate; with gameplay never seen before in a Mishima-style character. Jin has attacks that only a Jin player will know what to do and when to do them. That is awesome, in my opinion, and he's a challenging character to pick up and try to be successful with.

Most of the time with Jin you'll be running uphill since he is no way in the fact that you can spam this or spam that to win matches; Jin puts mind games, patience, execution, reflexes, spacing and fundamentals to the table like no other Mishima. How you implement them is how you play your Jin and how you play to win with him. He is not rushing in and throwing out electrics and hoping for a win, sure you could try that and you might throw some people off at times, but for the long term if you keep trying to play like this you will lose HORRIBLY to some of the better players. Jin lacks offense, and his best offense is effectively his defense. He lacks good lows. He lacks attacks that leaves Jin in a frame advantage. To play Jin you need to have certain qualities in your playstyle that no other player with another character will have. That's simply how cool Jin is in his latest incarnation.

Devil Jin is classic Jin. Whoever remembers the good days of Tekken 3 and Tekken Tag will know who the coolest character was back then. It was Jin and that is not disputable. Top tier material, versatile movelist, arguably one of the funnest characters to play with because of such a wide and extensive movelist to put to use. However, what happened in Tekken 4? Where are my juggling hellsweeps? Where are my 1+4s? Where is my b+4? Where are my electric launchers? WHERE IS JIN? There were potential experts giving up Tekken rather than picking up Tekken during Tekken 4. But when all seemed hopeless; Devil Jin brought all these classic Jin qualities back to the playing field.

So stop and think before you compare Jin+Devil Jin to shitty clones like Eddy+Christie.

Azazel obviously ate Jinpachi and true Ogre. Bob the rest of the cast who isn't returning >.>

Anyway, you can lower their AI by opening the AI.cns file and modifying the first varset, setting the value to 1 imstead of 5.
I personnally set it to 11, to have an awesome challenge when I use Shin Gouki and fight them as final boss.

The supers are half-circle back-->forward+hard slash and half-circle back-->forward+punch. Dragon install is half-circle back-->forward+slash I believe, though I'm not sure.

Jeez, I missed Amachi's Order Sol... I didn't know if it was out or not.

So we *don't* use the same Order Sol, although I'd like to try Amachi's out if I could find it.

And that would bring the total number of OSols to 3.

Try to do it faster? I always find that to be a problem. And may I enquire on where you got Order Sol?

Avenger said, November 30, 2007, 05:20:42 pm

It didn't come with a CMD file...

That is impossible. All mugen characters have a CMD file that defines the input of all the commands inside the charactes. And by all, I mean every single one of them.

It should look something like Order_Sol.CMD, you must open it with notepad.