Posted by argyone
in do you use Mugen 1.1? (Started by Gara September 06, 2014, 11:36:47 amBoard: M.U.G.E.N Discussion
Argyone i'm not trying to be rude, but I would like to squash some of the things your saying. Everything that worked in older Mugen will work in 1.1. The only real troubles you might face is a screenpack issue, but in the Edit section of MFG most of the older screenpacks have now been converted. Zooming is optional and done in stages code. Just download stages that do not have zoom enabled if you do not like it. I've never run across a character that would not fire a projectile on a zoomed stage. If that where true then it is a coding issue inside the character, probably based on P2Dist trigger and is not 1.1 fault. Do you remember which char you where using so I can see it for myself? Characters do not appear big and small at random. They look like how there coded. Localcord is not needed and is optional in stages and characters.
first of all, no problem bro i dont think your rude but let me tell you a few things about 1.1 and my personal zoom problem
ill just re-post my comments i made in the official elecbyte forum.
pls tell us how to disable zoom. there should be 2 versions of 1.1 i think.
one with zoom and one without.
ive read so many threads at the guild and everytime when it comes to 1.0 vs 1.1 almost everyone who is against 1.1 says the same:
1.1 may be better and offers more options for the creators but for me in personal terms, i prefer 1.0 since
the zoom is *f** annoying. you have to recode the stages or the chars, then you have to do tweaks on almost all stages with deltas and offsets etc.
when the stage is too far zoomed out some projectiles dont hit, superbgs are now just on the half of the screen in many cases,same problem with zoom out = black bars all over the screen etc.
zoom brings more difficulties then pros.
and in my personal opinion it just looks damn ugly and its annoying.
let me tel you smth.
not everyone of us is a creator or char maker etc.
there are still many people who just like to collect and play mugen stuff for fun and with 1.1 comes a new, never seen
difficult level to all these people.
how do u explain someone whos not that much into mugen how to convert or tweak chars, stages etc?
should 1.1 (as the built number says already) not be an UPGRADE?
so its better and EASIER to edit stuff?
for example when i found a new SP for 1.1 i think : damn, this one looks great. ok ill give it a try and download.
then i copy my chars and stages etc over and for a real UPGRADE this should be IT!
it cant be the meaning of an upgrade we have to learn to code and be half-stage makers to simply enjoy all those beautiful chars and stages we collected over the years.
is there no ''simple'' option to disable zoom and make the stages work like in 1.0 ?
smth in the mugen.cfg like zoom = 0/ off andf 1= on ?
thats the problem im talking about.
when i set it to 1.0 the stage is much more zoomed in then in 1.0
when i set it to 0.8 - 0.75 it fits but then it still has the zoom in.
is thereno way to force mugen to begin with 0.75 and stay at 0.75?
when i use infinites chars f. example the have this flashy red/blue superbg when i perform a super.
if the stage is zoomed out it covers only 70% of the screen not the 100% it should be.
thats exactly what im talking about.
to get zoom properly working i have to edit chars AND stages and i think thats not the meaning of bringing an update to an engine
edit : ok now ive tried to edit a zoom stage so its like it has zoomin and out at 0.75 and now the projectiles wont work properly.
when im far away i can shoot normaly but when i stand close to the opponent its like it has no effect/ the projectile wont shoot any longer than 2 millimetres
:/
i hate the new zoom feature... just bringing me headache
or at least make the stages to work always zoomed out? so its like ill start with max zoom out, it stays zoomed out and thats it?
i know there is the forcezoomout line in the cfg but even with this one the satge have the zoom feature. i mean there must be an option to toggle this off right?
please elecbyte, give us a non-zoom version or at least let us our free will to toggle it on/off.
theres a 50 / 50 discussion in every board i know and in most of the cases all of us would love to switch over to 1.1 but main reasons to NOT switch over are Zoom and Opengl for people who have older PCs.
