dampir said, March 01, 2013, 01:37:34 am

new standing animation




not seem to be looping....

it needs some fix and here and there...maybe..

Nice! Looking great.

Aww yeah, good to see more progress. 

What I want is a release, videos do nothing but torment me!

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Nice to know you're still working on Makoto, though, still hyped for her.

Hype Train is ready to go! :U

Nawh, I'm really happy you're still working on Makoto though, can't wait to finally get my hands on that beast

Sorry for the late reply.

KojiroBADNESS said, January 05, 2013, 12:37:29 pm

I see what you mean by missing this detail... because I've never heard or even thought of this. I can't pull it off either LOL. Maybe it's the negative edge? I really don't know. If you could elaborate or give me a little more insight on this, I'll see what I can do.

Sure. It's more of an unconscious thing, the games have it but we just never notice it.

For example, in KOF:

If you are trying to input a D,DF,F + P special move but you do the input like: D,DF,F,B + P then the move will not work.

The final horizontal direction used in command inputs is considered a "critical" direction. If you hold down the exact opposite before performing the move, the command will not register.

In this same fashion, the vertical directions are also checked. If your input ends with a horizontal direction (mid-range vertical) then depending on your statetype, it won't register if you hold either down or up. For most ground moves, this means that you cannot hold down after the critical direction, but you are allowed to hold up, to make use of TK moves.

In a more casual setting, this is something we do on reflex. We sometimes input hadouken motions but press either back or down to cancel the input.

Adding this makes a world of difference, it feels great.

This is how I usually set it up (QCF+P example):

Code:

;---------------------------------------------------------------------------
;Combat Code JAE 
[State -1, Combat Code JAE]
type = ChangeState
value = 1420
triggerall = RoundState < 3
triggerall = ifelse((Anim!=[5,6]),(command="qcf_p"),(command="qcb_p"))
triggerall = (helper(999999),command != "holddown")
triggerall = ifelse((Anim!=[5,6]),(command != "holdback"),(command!="holdfwd"))
triggerall = Statetype != A

Critical direction is forward (mid-range vertical = standing statetype) = you cannot hold down, you cannot hold back.

KojiroBADNESS said, January 05, 2013, 12:37:29 pm

I'm not totally sure what you mean. What is it disregarding and what is it doing exactly?

Ah sorry, it wasn't clear at all.

Krauser was using Kaiser Wave, a hyper-level projectile. Using Hanzo's special projectile, I was able to cancel it out completely disregarding the projectile priorities.

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Good LAWD, Cy. Less "Nice car +1" and a little more feedback?

Nice car +1 ? What's that ? I'm here to hurt feelings !!!!

oh man this is a very nice surprise thanks for sharing such awesome characters!

Hi.

I've been playing around with [Hanzo] for a bit. Not bad.

I really, really like the way you worked with his velocities, especially during qcb+k. Those feel phenomenal, good job.

- The most important problem is that he is not consistent, standing LP and crouching LP use completely different hitdef data. I believe some of his kick moves do as well.

Usually game systems keep hitdef data for strength moves uniform so the player doesn't get confused and gets a better 'idea' of the game rhythm. This makes it feel kinda sloppy.

- Some of your CLSN design seems awkward, in the sense that you started designing CLSN one way, and ended up changing to another (different time periods perhaps). For example:



On the left, design is too detail oriented vs the right, which is super simplified.

In both cases, I feel like the design could've been improved (you could've used one box for the head+leg on the first one, the last one could've used more vulnerable areas via CLSN2).

One other problem with the current design is that the priority of basics is completely overshadowed by his specials, in the sense that basics are unsafe to use compared to his specials.

There's also stuff like this:



All CLSN2 on standing/crouching states should cover all the way to the feet unless you are adding low move invincibility on purpose.

I was trying to find an example where he would run through an opponent, and it happens against himself.

- The way you design throws has several problems:



- This box could miss completely on characters like Choi, throw boxes should usually cover all the way to the feet.
- The throw hitbox lasts for three frames, it should only last for 1. An opponent could teleport or walk into this throw in really extreme cases, this shouldn't happen.
- You have no distance triggers on it, so you can throw characters like Billy out of their weapons lol.
- Your hitdef has a trigger of !time, why? The actual CLSN1 comes out several frames later and it lasts for 3 frames, depending on your juggle system, there could be cases where the opponent recovers from a previous move, you attempt a throw and it doesn't work.

- You could polish his controls much more:

This is a small detail, but I think it's worth adding: if you do move that end with a certain direction (forward, back) holding the opposite direction down should not allow you to make the move.

This is very important in games like KOF. For example, let's say you are trying to do a QCF motion. If you do QCF, hold back and press the button, only a basic move will come out.

This is an important measure added so the player has better control over their character. Most people tend to miss this detail.

- His projectiles are broken, they disregard anything that has been coded with the [projectile] controller:

- I'm not sure if it's intentional or not, but I can hit opponents out of air recovery (corner an opponent, hit them with LP, you can hit them again afterwards) KOF characters cannot recover from this ever, so it's an infinite on them.

- I like how you changed some of his air gethits, but he still sinks during some of his bounce states. Why not go all the way and fix them all once and for all? It would make him feel much better.

I like what you have here so far, I remember seeing a preview of either him (of Fuuma) some years ago and being interested in checking them out, it's nice to be able to test them now.

Anyway, good luck! I'll be checking any updates out in the future.

Awesome, congrats for release
By the way, does your Hanzo have that special intro vs Syn's strider? (Where they are having some conversation before fight, I saw a video of this somewhere...)

Great release! I hope to have some time to test the two ninjas soon, and I hope Dampir will make a CvS sff patch in the future!!

Entering neutral pha-ah screw it, I'm enjoying these so far, here's some preliminary stuff before the SERIOUS MODO testing. As a forewarning note, I am testing ONLY on MUGEN 1.0.
- Can't chain from Light to Heavy normals.

- Having issues running and performing small jumps.

- IMO he slides too much when landing from backdash.

- Can crouch while running.

- c.MK is the trip instead of c.SK ?

- c.LP can be chained into c.MP and c.SP, but failt to connect because of pushback/cornerpush.

- Are you sure the stance is set up correctly. It looks kinda jerky to me, with a frame or two going backwards during the anim. May be like that in the original game, just felt it was odd.

- 2nd Jumping Hard Kick looks strange when performed during back jump, since he inverses the rotation.

- Tanagokoro should probably get some width, because it looks really strange when performed near the opponent (the FX appears behind P2).

- What's the point of listing target combos in the readme? Just say light links to mediums which links to strong. x,b,z and a,y,c are valid target combos and they're not listed.

- I can throw during run.

- I recall vels where similar in the original game, but the vels when going down from strong/EX Kohryuha are really odd. I think you overdid it here. Doesn't feel natural.

- There's no landing FX when landing from Ninpo Kohrin Kazan.

- With P2 in corner, medium and strong Mijin Komoru no Subi have Hanzo facing the wrong direction when he lands. Shouldn't the turn sctrl be after the posset/posadd instead of before ? Or at least triggered depending on where Hanzo is with respect to P2.

- You overdid it concerning the sound of MAX Okugi Banten Senkoujin's last projectile. The sounds loop too much and hurt my ears.

- Secret Taunt is very unbalanced, there are no CLSNs, allowing you to dodge projectiles and other stuff.

- Why doesn't Ikazuchi Shikon Gekijou have a green super BG ?

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