"There are many changes being made to attack and defense options for grabbing edges. In this picture, Link is actually trumping Mario's grab."
this with what's mentioned later makes me think that some factors such as damage and air time will give priority to edge grabbing. for instance, if mario knocks link out of the field, and then mario quickly grabs on to the edge to fuck link over, link's edge grab will have higher priority since he had more air time than mario.

"Air time and accumulated damage will determine your period of invincibility while hanging on an edge."
that's self explanatory. for example, mario just kinda hopping off the field into the edge would barely have any (if at all) invincibility

"Grab controls will no longer be affected by whether you have above or below 100% damage."
in brawl (and melee i think) your postgrab controls (like attacking, rolling, jumping) were affected by your damage. if you have above 100% damage, your attack would be much slower. this is now gone

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Pic of the day. There are many changes being made to attack and defense options for grabbing edges. In this picture, Link is actually trumping Mario's grab.
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Some other changes include:
-Air time and accumulated damage will determine your period of invincibility while hanging on an edge.
-Grab controls will no longer be affected by whether you have above or below 100% damage.

In Brawl, Marth's Dancing Blade move will change colours from red, blue, and green depending on the directional combo you use.

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Pic of the day. I see some familiar faces.
the arena ferox stage has statues now, which i guess can be broken like the statues in the brawl fire emblem stage. here's what arena ferox looked like for comparison

Yeah I digress. Theres no changing a stubborn opinion and this is really offtopic on the real

Look at Roy's actual frame data before you talk about his knockback among other things. Roy's jab is actually unsa-no, I'm done. No talking about Roy anymore, let's talk about Ike(who actually has potential and isn't a waste of it) who MAY come back and will indeed be neat.

I'm done dignifying you with answers. If you investigate yourself you'll find Ike falls slower among the other things I listed. I inquire you to experiment and learn what you're saying.

Okay. Ike has better range and his sword doesn't have sourspots on the tip(which lets him function more efficiently.)

Ike has a jab that is safe on hit and does not suck like Roy's.

Ike has more ways to kill an enemy than Roy.

Ike has a more versatile recovery game with both quickdraw and Aether if I recall.

Ike's KO potential is the main thing because it is indeed thrice as good as

Roy's. Ike's weight isn't ridiculously high and he does not have a terrible time recovering. There. Done.

Okay. Now do those combos consistently and see how Roy ranks up against 90% of the cast. Wait, the cast has combos that work like this, except universally? Marth has better and more reliable kill combos than this too? They're shorter and easier? Much like a lot of the cast's? Then gee, Roy still seems outclassed by almost every character in the game. Post all the combo videos you want, Roy is still bad compared to everybody in melee except for around 5 people out of 26. Case. Closed. Consider the disregard in progress now.

Roy's weaknesses exploit themselves. Tell me how he's not bad. Go on. Tell me. Give me concise evidence that provides proof that Roy has a counter to the numerous flaws his character has. If you can't, be quiet. If it's not completely finite and 100% accurate(that's right, no "prediction mindgame" theory, just facts) then I'm going to disregard everything you have said in relation to Roy ever, from now until the end of time.

Don't bother he's gonna continue debating and comparing specific special moves rather than looking at the character as a whole

To talk about sweetspots, Roy gets awful damage and effects on his moves everywhere but, get this, the HILT of his sword. He loses a meteor smash unless you hit it with the hilt, a lot of his normals do trash damage unless you hit them with the hilt, and to top it off, he is also SLOW and has nothing that is better than Marth's in any way. He lacks KO moves because of this sweetspot issue.

Wasted potential. Roy is far from great, he lacks anything outstanding beyond a fast Short Hop and a decent chaingrab on Space Animals. It's a shame too, as he has some decent attributes but as a character he suffers because if you want reliable KOs, it's almost all situational.

Put things into perspective and realize Roy was a shit character who needed buffs to be competent in the first place, hence his buffs in PM. As described, his 3 KO power is negated by the sweetspot issue which Ike lacks. In the end comparing the specials doesn't mean that Ike is the lesser character. What he lacks in specials versus Roy he makes up everywhere else. Course this is all irrelevant. You are comparing apples and oranges and also saying a D tier character in one game needs to be buffed to the position of an F tier character in another cause you like his counter. Not to mention bringing in competitive use of range and then going on to laud his fully charged neutral B? lmao. You're just being a straight up stan and a fool.

You wouldn't rather they just buffed Ike to not be garbage? 

Ike has a reliable KO move, a jab that is safe on hit mind you, and his sweetspots don't blow ass. Roy never really mattered until mods buffed him. Mentioning his fully charged B move is also stupid because good luck landing that on anyone with any semblance of reflexes. Perspective. Roy is 20 or 21 out of 26, Ike is 23 out of 38. Which one is better? Ike has more options than Roy ever did and is not trapped under the guise of "inferior Marth."

lol @ the above post, Ike boasts AMAZING damage and KO power and fills a different niche than Roy. He's not supposed to be Roy. You're really dumb if you think he's supposed to be "on par" with Roy, as they are totally different characters. Also Ike had amazing range, some of the best range in the game actually, and a sick jab. Also yes Ike is a tank, regardless of what gives him the weight. He sponges damage pretty well and is heavy, slow but hits hard. That is what a tank usually is. He wasn't the best character and had his fair share of disadvantages but he plays the role he has perfectly.

In contrast, Roy is seen by the Melee community to be one of the WORST characters in the game. He lack KO power, has subpar range, and lacks an aerial game.

Ejectok plz

Ejectok said, November 11, 2013, 11:05:00 pm

Titiln said, November 11, 2013, 06:43:44 pm

also i definitely see ike being shotokan ike if he returns. it would further differentiate him from marth

I guess that upgrade custom is nice.. I just find his move straight forward, basic, and slow. At least upgrade his counter to work like Roy's.

The point of Ike was to be tanky

also i definitely see ike being shotokan ike if he returns. it would further differentiate him from marth

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Pic of the day. I've got this strange growth on my back lately---which should be impossible, since I'm a robot.
i want to see the fire emblem awakening character already!!!

I'm glad sonic is back. I also heard in the trailer craig smiths voice so hell yeah, screw you Griffith! He looks like he fights the same for now but he may get an upgrade. But who knows.

And yet his moveset stays the same, what the fuck Sakurai.