mugo is a new regular at mffa I know you said not to derail but I have to call darkflare out on this.

We do not worship crap characters Hosting them and liking them are 2 different things.

I am the Main Mod of the site and I can tell you most of us do not like half the crap we post. Its posted for anyone else who might like it. We have a collections section that is probably the best area on the site, with links to different games complete rosters and such or even franchises Like nippon ichis games. we well most of us like GOOD characters not crap.

the reason you never hear good things "here anyways" is because warehousing is looked down upon here and thats what the sites goal is.

ANYWAY, ontopic Mugo they are correct this character is badly coded the eoh template is a horrible thing to use, NEVER should you use a template to make a character ever. IMT is full of broken terrible characters so is CVG. he's not making this up they are really bad.

Just ignore Darkflare.

MugoUrth said, June 22, 2012, 10:26:47 pm

Actually, no. MFFA, for starters.

Mugen Free for all? Isn't that the place with the little kids who worship any character based on a cartoon regardless of how bad it is?

Those guys have no right to be calling out people as not being Mugen experts(which quite honestly, is rather amusing in itself), because they sure as hell aren't.

MugoUrth said, June 22, 2012, 10:26:47 pm

Because "it uses a quote-on-quote flawed template" and "it's not real MvC style" are real reasons.

Well, it's just that at this point the EoH template has been so picked apart that no one really sees the need to restate exactly why it's bad. Basara did a pretty good job here explaining why.

MugoUrth said, June 22, 2012, 10:13:02 pm

Also, in a lot of forums I go to, the people their complain that the people at Mugen Fighters Guild aren't exactly the Mugen Experts they claim to be.

I don't think anyone is claiming to be a MUGEN expert; instead I think what we have here (in this particular thread) are people very familiar with MvC, people who know how MvC plays and how characters based on that style of gameplay should play like if they are to be labeled "MvC". Characters made using the EoH template are, more often than not, pretty bad. They play somewhat like MvC, but only on the surface. If one probes deeply, they'll find EoH characters very lacking. MvC is probably one of the hardest gameplay styles to emulate, because there are so many things going on at once.

I can say you by personal experience: EoH template not just isn't accurate to MVC games, also plays bad in MUGEN, has a lot of infinites, overuses MVC2 elements (A LOT) and has other major flaws that make everything created under this template in a big NONO. In YouTube there're a lot of videos about characters with this template (since IMT's MVC fullgame to new creators making chars with this) showing how bad they are, even various users here got videos about that, Arpa included... who also made a joke character (MVC EoH C.Evil Ryu) who reveals all the flaws it has this template.

Resuming, EoH is simply bad and any char made with this template is a good reason to stay away from it

The hell you talking about? Arpa clearly showed GOOD reason why it sucks so bad.

Would these forums happen to be CvG or IMT?

Seriously, respect to be respected, MugoUrth. If you find that character is good, no problem. If someone else find it bad, okey, too. You can't make someone likes the character you like. Also, Arpa is well-known for make good critics to characters...

Unless you're MugenPlayer21 and don't want to hear criticism about your character

I don't really understand why he's making an argument at all. Alpa only said that it's a poorly-coded character-- which is true. He's stating a fact. he's not INSULTING the guy who made it. If you like it, cool. But is he in the wrong because he's not lying and saying "This character is great!" to keep from hurting people's feelings?

MugoUrth said, June 22, 2012, 09:17:13 pm

Alpa-San said, June 22, 2012, 08:53:08 pm

Or perhaps it's because I know the difference between a good and a bad marvel vs capcom character and you don't.

No, you're just being picky.

Alpa-San said, June 22, 2012, 08:53:08 pm

You know, since, I actually have a good enough idea as to how Marvel vs Capcom works to know that using the EoH template guarantees that your character cannot be good you are seriously better off making your character from scratch.

Okay, then. Tell us what exactly is WRONG with it, then. Saying "it sucks" or "It uses a template" doesn't say anything.

Alpa-San said, June 22, 2012, 08:53:08 pm

I also know my basic fighting game fundamentals enough to know this is not how you do a super

So a Mugen Character doesn't do a quarter life-bar's worth of damage every super, so that means it's poorly coded. This character's got enough moves and combo-potential to make up for his lack of power without being cheap.

Alpa-San said, June 22, 2012, 08:53:08 pm

"Not perfect" does not excuse that it's poorly coded in my opinion.

Also, constantly saying it's poorly coded without post WHY it's poorly coded won't help someone get better at making MUGEN characters. Have you ever tried criticism?

Take it from me. Just give up now. Look up Rogue's topic here to see how well this works out. I'm sure someone will give useful critique soon enough.

Or perhaps it's because I know the difference between a good and a bad marvel vs capcom character and you don't.

You know, since, I actually have a good enough idea as to how Marvel vs Capcom works to know that using the EoH template guarantees that your character cannot be good you are seriously better off making your character from scratch.

I also know my basic fighting game fundamentals enough to know this is not how you do a super

"Not perfect" does not excuse that it's poorly coded in my opinion.