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Started by Retro Respecter, May 14, 2015, 11:21:37 pm
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#261  September 21, 2018, 04:02:45 pm
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#262  September 21, 2018, 04:14:12 pm
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That's the benefit of being on a streaming service. You don't have to worry about issues like budget and movie and TV obligations.
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#263  December 10, 2018, 10:57:51 pm
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So you know how (one of) Arrow's problem is that it really wants to be Batman
This first episode of the Elseworlds crossover having Superman in the team (Tyler still knocking it out of the park BTW) made me realize that having Arrow and Flash start with their origin stories and try to be TV Batman and Superman before they got the rights still gave them a chance to do them right (by that I mean do Batman and Superman right). They're not fucking up Superman because they don't have to write over 20 episodes a year around him and risk having some major failures.
Long story short, seeing this Superman next to Flash made me think, when Batwoman works well enough to finally have Batman show up, but not as a leading role, maybe they'll finally do him right, just like how Superman shows up in Supergirl a few times here and there and nails it, because they don't have to actually put his character on the line and question his personality ever five minutes. The real Superman and Batman will already be the experienced, legendary figures that everyone looks up to in their respective universe, not scrawny idiot kids "discovering who they are" (looking at you too Gotham) (but Flash is still fine).
And Green Arrow is just the sacrificial lamb and it'll never recover, because who even knows what comic book Green Arrow is like anyway.

(oh and that trailer for the final season of Gotham was fucking awful, glad it's finally dying)
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#264  December 11, 2018, 10:43:42 pm
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Green arrow has a comic book ?

(semi serious because I don't know if he has ongoing series or is just used as a cameo in the jla stuff)
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#265  December 12, 2018, 01:52:01 am
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And Green Arrow is just the sacrificial lamb and it'll never recover, because who even knows what comic book Green Arrow is like anyway.
He debuted as a very blatant ripoff of Batman, and stayed that way for several decades. Like, it was just straight up 1:1; most of the time, he was Batman: But With Arrows. He had an Arrowcar, an Arrowcave, a kid sidekick (then again, everyone had a kid sidekick) even a jester themed villain, etc. It was pretty ridiculous.

It wasn't until the late 60s that he started to become distinct; the character is ostensibly based on and inspired by Robin Hood, but besides aesthetics and choice of weapon, there wasn't really much else in common between the two. That changed when Denny O'Neill and Neal Adams revamped the character as a much more direct take on the idea of a "modern day Robin Hood". They obviously couldn't get too radical (DC would've never approved of G.A. stealing from the rich, e.g.) but they were able to reshape the character as an outspoken liberal, who'd go up against corrupt corporations and fight for the marginalized—but was often pompous and pigheaded, prone to angrily calling his fellow Justice League members fascists over any disagreements.

This blowhard aging hippie persona proved to be the key ingredient in making Green Arrow a really interesting and unique character, but sometimes that aspect gets dropped or otherwise deemphasized, especially in live action versions. Both the version on Smallville and the current Arrowverse have gone back to the character's roots in the worst way, choosing to focus mainly on using G.A. as a Batman substitute—and, for a time, the comics followed suit. Thankfully they've dramatically changed course since the likewide Rebirth relaunch, but that's just the comics.
 
Green arrow has a comic book ?

(semi serious because I don't know if he has ongoing series or is just used as a cameo in the jla stuff)
For the longest time, he didn't! He debuted in the 40s, but didn't get a book to himself until the 80s (unless you count the ongoing Green Lantern/Green Arrow series from the early 70s, which co-starred both characters). But ever since then, his ongoing series has been pretty steady, with a few gaps here and there.
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#266  December 12, 2018, 11:36:00 pm
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Damn, there was so much comedy and self burns in this crossover. Even some side burn Man of Steel because of course.
And "X-Ray vision. You really do have a lot of tattoos !" can these writers WANT there to be porn any harder ? Is this how the Supergirl series is these days ? Or is that how the Batwoman series will be ? I mean, it might be fun if that's how they decided to balance out the edgy...
Oh yeah and Legends simply went full force on the crazy and the fucking up massively, that was awesome.
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#267  May 19, 2019, 11:46:54 pm
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Sooo Batwoman Trailer is out.



And people seem to hate it.
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#268  May 20, 2019, 04:04:09 am
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Do they hate it because it's DC TV and they're gonna screw it up or is it because it's a wamen ?
It doesn't look any more cringy than Arrow to me.
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#269  May 20, 2019, 04:28:57 am
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people are more upset that the show is pushing the whole "its only better if its a woman doing it" theme a whole bunch in the trailer or some shit idk

ill probably skip out on this, ive honestly had dc show fatigue ever since the gotham ending sort of sucked and arrow and flash are just losing steam

only actual good dc show i love keeping up with is doom patrol
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#270  May 20, 2019, 05:34:47 am
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:mcry: I don't want the Arrowverse to end :mcry:
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#271  May 20, 2019, 05:37:48 am
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Question... what happened to Batman?? Did someone kill him or something??
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#272  May 20, 2019, 05:47:49 am
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No, he's just not there lol
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#273  May 20, 2019, 07:50:14 am
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Question... what happened to Batman?? Did someone kill him or something??
He has been afflicted with the terrible disease known as "DC's weird rights issues vis-à-vis their big name characters appearing on their TV shows".

At best they might get him to appear every few years, for an episode, like with Superman on the Supergirl show. DC (or maybe Warner Bros? who knows) is super cagey about having characters that are in movies appear in other live action properties, and have been for a while. Like, remember that time Arrow suddenly killed off Amanda Waller, half a year before the Suicide Squad movie came out?
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#274  May 20, 2019, 05:41:47 pm
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Didn't he actually show up in Titans ? I can't even guess if they'll try to keep those two coherent. Doing what Supergirl did with Superman would be fine.
The Squad thing was when they were going ballistic but they calmed down since that backlash, I would say.

And yeah, apparently in-universe he just left and that's it. Is it supposed to be an Easter egg for the dark Knight trilogy where Bruce just walked off ? There were talks about doing that when they launched the idea of a Batwoman show.
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#275  May 21, 2019, 03:01:51 am
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Didn't he actually show up in Titans ? I can't even guess if they'll try to keep those two coherent. Doing what Supergirl did with Superman would be fine.
Batman in Titans is working exactly like Superman did in Supergirl: they had Batman show up but only seen in brief glances, and just used a stand-in wearing a basic costume for the very brief appearances he made. And also, much like Superman in Supergirl, they only cast someone to play Batman starting with the second season (they'll also probably design a more elaborate and better costume for said actor to wear)
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#276  May 21, 2019, 09:43:39 am
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He has been afflicted with the terrible disease known as "DC's weird rights issues vis-à-vis their big name characters appearing on their TV shows".

At best they might get him to appear every few years, for an episode, like with Superman on the Supergirl show. DC (or maybe Warner Bros? who knows) is super cagey about having characters that are in movies appear in other live action properties, and have been for a while. Like, remember that time Arrow suddenly killed off Amanda Waller, half a year before the Suicide Squad movie came out?

Kinda, didn't know Amanda was killed off because of a film. I just want Batman to pull up. Also want him to meet the Green Arrow and probably save him from the crisis. Speaking of crisis...

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