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Private Remnants board dissolved (Read 5498 times)

Started by Sepp, September 26, 2009, 04:15:39 pm
Private Remnants board dissolved
#1  September 26, 2009, 04:15:39 pm
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History will repeat itself

When Guild was rebuilt, I took potentially interesting topics left over from the formerly private Creator and Staff boards and collected them all in a secret section in the Archive called Private Remnants.

Over the years I moved some of the topics out of there and out of the archives. Today this discussion reminded me of that section, and I took care of the last remaining posts there.

This Private Remnants board is now cleared and dissolved.

Two of the last topics that were held back in there are now visible to all in Public Staff Talk, renamed:


Enough time has passed to prevent overmuch embarrassment to myself and hopefully others, and I recommend all staff members read or re-read those topics.

I had to laugh out loud at some points, and some that turned out to be foreboding. The threads put some things into perspective, are good for understanding the context of past and present Guild staff and some discussion about the community's direction and showcase some of the people involved here in the past / present (/ future?).

For those who weren't around, one thing that might need explaining now are those "lists" that are referred to several times.

There used to be Lists posted and pinned to the top of some board sections, which contained characters that you were not allowed to request, or creations and parts of them that you were expressively forbidden to use in your own MUGEN works.

"will" ? Guild history has already repeated itself just now.
"Several times now, Achamian thought he had glimpsed golden haloes about Kellhus's hands. He found himself envying those, such as Proyas, who claimed to see them all the time."
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Last Edit: September 26, 2009, 04:18:42 pm by Sepp
Re: Private Remnants board dissolved
#2  September 26, 2009, 04:56:08 pm
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There used to be Lists posted and pinned to the top of some board sections, which contained characters that you were not allowed to request, or creations and parts of them that you were expressively forbidden to use in your own MUGEN works.

:lugoi:

So much of it feels so silly in retrospect :)
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#3  September 26, 2009, 05:20:57 pm
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There used to be Lists posted and pinned to the top of some board sections, which contained characters that you were not allowed to request, or creations and parts of them that you were expressively forbidden to use in your own MUGEN works.

Wow?!

It was kind of interesting. I thought Loona was just a random new guy who was very organizational. >_>

I can't believe that KFM (the one we know today?) was even considered in one of those threads. I'm guessing, his ideology was something of accepted in that time? In sense, I'm only a year and some months old, so forgive the lack of understanding of all of those years ago.




I don't think history repeats itself... people repeat history.

"Change comes from the past and ideas come from the future; the present doesn't exist, it persists." - Papa Rajaa

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Re: Private Remnants board dissolved
#4  September 26, 2009, 05:39:43 pm
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Oh yeah Rajaa, and don't let the stars fool you either. I once told a famous creator that he would understand once he made something. He quickly pointed out that the stars system is worthless by listing his creations.

That was back when I thought the community was still following the Ways of the Fake-Fu-Man. I think we still give that impression to noobs.

Our actions are the new and Improved, the rhetoric on the forum still says, don't steal you freaking leaching bastards.

I'm not sure if you old timers realize that our not, but I think that most of noobs are still thinking they need to look at one of your list.

When I stole the code for my Batman from P.O.T.S's I did so because when I googled open source characters one of your list popped up and P.O.T.S's was on it. After I released the character there was one person who started the flame. They said, "Did you even ask P.O.T.Ss for his permission".

I said no, that my understanding is he is open source and if he has a problem with it, I will remove the link.

No one said another thing to me about it, yet there were still tons of other people getting bashed and abused for using other people's stuff. I was ok, because I used a list, others were not.

It wasn't until months later did I realize things were different and I was much happier.

My point is, I don't think you old times were/are proactive enough in the change of mugen philosophy at the guild.

I would like to thank you fuckers for changing things though, if it was the guild of old, I would have made a spriteswap, left the community, and never been heard of again. So thanks.

Now Val, fix that fucking "Unread post button" bug or I'm going to tell noobs Sepp masturbates to Banta book cover art.
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#5  September 26, 2009, 07:40:23 pm
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I can't believe that KFM (the one we know today?) was even considered in one of those threads. I'm guessing, his ideology was something of accepted in that time? In sense, I'm only a year and some months old, so forgive the lack of understanding of all of those years ago.

Hehe. Ash was GMod at Guild and site admin (website, not forum).

And it was never about his ideology, he was actually a late participant regarding active community discussions.

"The ideology" was the status quo, already there and long established, the prevailing one among the majority of the outspoken creators (and not just them) of the English-speaking community. (Guild was just often struggling and swaying, debating how strict to be.)

Just skim through this topic. When people mention "KFM's views," that's just a shorthand and sometimes isn't even accurate. ;)
"Several times now, Achamian thought he had glimpsed golden haloes about Kellhus's hands. He found himself envying those, such as Proyas, who claimed to see them all the time."
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Last Edit: September 26, 2009, 07:43:35 pm by Sepp
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#6  September 27, 2009, 02:01:37 am
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Quite teasing me with Winane posts >:(

I remember thinking back to to that 2nd thread when you guys asked me if I wanted to help form a "new guild". It took you long enough to get on with that. Though the toughest part was always if VAL didn't mind. But after all the drama of the years we were pretty confident he wouldn't mid trying something new on a large scale. Even he can only be virtua pushed so much XD
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#7  September 27, 2009, 04:25:51 am
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Though the toughest part was always if VAL didn't mind.

Here's how it all started on July 24th, 2007:

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21:24:02:
Sepp an Valodim, Sepp an Valodim: anwesend?

Valodim, 21:25:30:
ja

Valodim, 21:30:42:
dass, und wie lange du schreibst, laesst auf irgendwas ernsthaftes schlieszen...

Sepp, 21:31:01:
im gegenteil

Sepp, 21:31:05:
also naja

Valodim, 21:31:21:
hervorragend

Sepp, 21:31:25:
nein, richtig wichtig isses nich :D

Sepp, 21:32:01:
Wir habn noch kein vollständig ausgearbeites Konzept vorliegen, obwohl die Ideen alle in den Köpfen rumschwirren, aber nja, ich bin beauftragt worden *ggg* schon vorher mal zu erfragen, ob's denn Sinn hätte. Angenommen, wir kommen mit den Plänen in einen präsentablen Zustand, würdest du sie dir anguckn? Es ginge um Umwälzungen in Sachen Guild Forum.... ich erwarte ein entnervtes NEEEEEEEEIN NICHT SCHON WIEDER... :D

Sepp, 21:32:02:


okay das is ne bescheuert unspezifische frage auf die man nich gut antworten kann. ähm.

Valodim, 21:32:39:
ich hab vor ca 5 stunden kfm gebannt

Sepp, 21:32:42:
in gewisser weise kann ich---

Valodim, 21:32:44:
einfach weil ichs kann.

Valodim, 21:32:49:
tolles Gefuehl.

Sepp, 21:32:54:
oh

Sepp, 21:33:18:
damit kann dieses gespräch eigentlich von meiner seite aus beendet werden, damit läuft alles nach plan haha

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Re: Private Remnants board dissolved
#8  September 27, 2009, 04:32:33 am
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Wow poor guy.  ;D

Remember that every time someone brings up Ash/KFM/Fake fu man, a baby seal is raped.
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#9  September 27, 2009, 06:32:52 am
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Shamrock: KFM isn't THAT bad, and you jabbing at him when he's not here, or particularly caring about this forum isn't that flaming nice. I get on well with him and i'm not finding what you're saying right now particularly funny.

If you want him to re-register to get angry at you, you're going the right way about it. Leave it alone huh?


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#10  September 27, 2009, 07:07:03 am
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I have no problems with Ash. That I know of anyway. In the past I expressed my feelings to him when I felt he was out of line. That is about the only correspondence he and I have shared.

The above post you are reading was not so much a jab as sympathy. Others are throwing about the dirty laundry I'm responding to it. I think it is funny that it was brought up and aired up. I think that the conversation between Sepp and Val is funny. I hope they never have one like that about me. I don't see how you don't see the humor in Val's post, Cy.

If you notice, the only time I ever hated on him was during that porn bomb that was dropped.  Other times I said something about him was when he was avoiding a ban or some other thing.

And with the return of elecbyte and KFM I find it to be funny to call him Fake Fu Man. This a joke and nothing more. So fuck him if he can't take a joke. I didn't choose his name, he did.

The final thing is the baby seal rape thing. I'm sick of hearing about fucking Fake Fu Man. I started that as a humorous way of saying don't bring him up. Mostly for the sake of Iced and his vendetta.

I'm sorry if he is unhappy and contacted you about it, but in my case he is barking up the wrong tree. Tell him if he has a problem he should take it up with the people who give a fuck, because Shamrock does not.

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#11  September 27, 2009, 07:09:58 am
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Now I see why Iced gets pissed when he has others, posting or speaking for him. Instead of battling him, I got to hear it from someone who has nothing to with anything between him and I.

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#12  September 27, 2009, 07:52:04 am
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Nothing to do with KFM there. Just didn't like the comment.

I think Iced should stop too though. He's gone isn't he? Why do we need to continue to bring him up!


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#13  September 27, 2009, 07:58:00 am
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We subconsciously miss him?
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#14  September 27, 2009, 08:03:52 am
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#15  September 27, 2009, 04:35:48 pm
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I'm hungry.
* Valodim goes prepare some food.