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Started by Iced, February 24, 2012, 09:43:26 pm
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Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3961  July 27, 2018, 10:14:16 am
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Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3962  July 27, 2018, 10:35:47 am
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Red is full of shit ? What else is new ?
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Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3963  July 27, 2018, 12:52:28 pm
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On the contrary, he's kinda right.

As if the original ban was questionable enough, at least that has an argument going for it. The reflex modding looked painfully bad, the calling out of the text/sig change and retracting of the permaban is proof enough. I've spoken to people who barely or don't post here and damn near all of them agreed, varying from 'the mods looked biased' to 'they're out of touch.'

Just saying what I've seen.
Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3964  July 27, 2018, 02:51:09 pm
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Does his history mean nothing? Am I to always be flawless? Sorry I took the very same insults he said and redirected them :s Sorry that for the 1st time in 15 years I didn’t just roll over and take it. That I didn’t do something to promote him by featuring another release. That this one time I didn’t talk about how much he’s contributed. They were silly when they were first placed there by him and they were silly when turned against.

There was a vote on the ban length. While you may be able to argue bias from me (who voted to not extend the ban), jmm, and iced. You can’t really say Foobs, Zemillia, or Speed are biased. And even if you think jmm, Iced, myself, or whomever is biased... well maybe said person shouldn’t keep doing the same stuff. Shouldn’t keep poking and attacking. For literally years. For longer than many users have been alive. I don’t know what people expect will happen from that?

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Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3965  July 27, 2018, 07:32:08 pm
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His history shouldn't be forgotten, but it looks like several of you have never truly forgiven him/is giving him a fair shot. That past history is the direct cause of the inflated punishment and redirected insults. No, no one is infallible. You apparently reached a boiling point. That can happen over time. Though still, look from the outside in. You have and retracted on what occurred, but I will admit, it's not a good look. Though, I'm not gonna hold it against you. It's in the past and you made a mistake. You acted on emotion/history and it happens.
Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3966  July 27, 2018, 07:39:27 pm
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That past history is the direct cause of the inflated punishment
No shit past history is the direct cause of inflated punishment. You know that's the entire point of the system where you're not banned outright at the first offense but if you keep doing the same shit over and over then the length of your next ban increases, right ? Literally past history inflating the punishment. It's not one single punishment this one time, it's the sum of everything that happened until now. You're not supposed to look at this one problem that happened today and say the punishment is disproportionate or they didn't forgive him for everything that happened before. There's no question of forgiving, it's specifically an incremental ban duration system based on remembering what happened before. He's not supposed to get a "blank slate fair shot" when he does something bad, gets banned temporarily for it, comes back, and does the same thing again.
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Last Edit: July 27, 2018, 07:43:25 pm by Byakko

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Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3967  July 27, 2018, 07:43:26 pm
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You know what I mean man. Are you really trying to deflect the permaban? I know repeat offenses will warrant more drastic punishment. Let me be more direct, since you want to act like I'm generalizing something. Does the sig thing warrant him being permabanned? Obviously not, as it was retracted. C'mon bruh, don't take shit outta context. That's what I mean by inflated. Should he be ban for like 6 months or so? Yes. Though permabanned and mocked profile on top of that? I guess in your eyes, it should be.
Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3968  July 27, 2018, 07:44:57 pm
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Dude. *You* are taking this out of context. The sig alone doesn't warrant a permaban, obviously, but that's not the context ; the context that you're brushing aside is that he's done that before and was banned for it before and then he was allowed to come back when people defending him said he changed and wouldn't do it again.
The profile mock is irrelevant to anything. It's just bruised egos, it doesn't mean anything and it has no impact on anything.
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Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3969  July 27, 2018, 07:46:55 pm
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I'm not taking anything out of context. I don't deny he should be banned. 6 months-a year is justifiable. I don't think I've seen anyone argue that point.
Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3970  July 27, 2018, 07:50:37 pm
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If you mean specifically the part where it was a permaban at some point, then retracted to a year, then I'm still saying that it's justified all the same for the same reason. I'm not discussing the ban length. I'm saying it's completely within expectations that he or anyone might end up getting permabanned over the most ridiculous shit if he's been doing it for 15 years over and again and has been banned for it multiple times with increasing duration.

That and the profile defacing thing is a dumb thing to get upset about. It's literally nothing.
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Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3971  July 27, 2018, 07:58:00 pm
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I don't deny that any of it is justified. Though still I say it went overboard with said punishment. Which is the point. Orochi even clarified that JZ didn't lie to him and had no reason to, yet that was thrown in to add more fuel to the fire. Also, the profile mocking is relevant. Albeit not the biggest issue, but it was an abuse of power. Like I said, we're all human, and I don't hold it against him. Though Red is right when he say mods/admins and the like are supposed to set a higher standard, and not stoop to level of the users they have to interact with.
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#3972  July 27, 2018, 08:03:23 pm
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He had to scroll past what he'd made in the past to add a new insult. If he'd forgotten he was reminded at that point. It'd been better if he said "I was adding this new insult when I saw my 5 year old one that I'd forgotten about LMAO". At most he forgot then didn't care and left it.

Sorry if I had a low point one time where I wanted to rib someone back that's ribbed me for so long. One time in all the year's I've done this and I'm condemned... All the help I've given to so many over the years and this one thing makes me terrible. I mean it won't ever happen again but I really feel it's being blown out of proportion. I don't have a history of such things and would prefer to work with everyone. Even JZ.
Last Edit: July 27, 2018, 08:08:00 pm by Just No Point
Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3973  July 27, 2018, 08:31:48 pm
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i don't think the backlash is directed at you in particular, what you did was minor. iced kinda missed things up and left you to pay the bill (with all due respect to you iced).
just leave it behind you man.
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Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3974  July 27, 2018, 08:41:12 pm
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I don't really see what Iced did either. He banned too high then the staff came in and pulled it back down. It changed nothing. Having different mentalities on staff is to aid each other if one does something a bit too drastic. TBF perma isn't too drastic considering how long this has gone down. As Byakko noted the length is irrelevant. In the end it makes it look like some are upset he said the ban was permanent out loud. It was instantly in the process of getting reworked before he even pulled that trigger. Some were saying keep it 3 months. Some 1 year, Some perma.

EDIT: I should note that JZ was probably twice as hard on Iced over the years than JZ was with me. At one point he was making a lot of maybe real/maybe joking death threats to him.
Last Edit: July 27, 2018, 09:02:01 pm by Just No Point
Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3975  July 27, 2018, 09:15:02 pm
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I banned too high but the rebalancing was , as said ,justified. Ban lenght always get argued to an agreed position amidst majority.

My patience runs thin on situations where the person keeps doing the same type of activities over and over again, specially on people i hoped wouldve changed behaviour over time.

That past history is the direct cause of the inflated punishment

This is literally how PAST HISTORY works. Byakko already went deep into that.

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Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3976  July 28, 2018, 12:32:36 am
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But it was changed to a year because some thought it was excessive. It's already been done, again, before rednavi even started with his terrible post.

Hence why nobody was arguing for that, because it's already been *done*


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Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3977  July 28, 2018, 10:04:11 am
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stop sucking up to the mods lui, they're not gonna make you one of them.
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Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3978  July 28, 2018, 10:12:22 am
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Dude, just don't.
You fight with him way too often.
Just let it go.
Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3979  July 28, 2018, 11:23:47 am
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I think I just read the last 3? pages. Pretty much everyone is in agreement about everything.
I don't ever do the heavy lifting on the mod team. I do voice my opinion when it differs.
Jesuszilla obviously has his ups and downs. Everyone does.
But everyone should take note on this crappy situation. When you get banned you need to focus up a little bit. He's been banned for stupid stuff right? Maybe if you get banned and you edit your signature you should actually read it and make sure it wont get you banned again.
If the team has a personal vendetta against him, why would he be linked in the news feed? <<Rhetorical. don't answer it.

You guys need to realize not every person is active 100% of the day. The small amount of time from when this happened til it exploded is microscopic in my opinion. Even if it took a week to have a final decision that should say something. Latching on to one point doesn't do anyone any favors. -was this like this -did that mean this -who said when; Each thing has it's own weight in the situation. But it's all connected. The entire thing is the picture we have to look at, and that's it. There's a protocol we follow when banning people. There's no board with balloons we throw darts at.

We are a team. We listen to each other and heed the others' advice and comments. And in this crappy situation I think most of us dont want to see him banned, but he fuct up. And regardless if he misspoke or lied is near irrelevant. He fuct up, then fuct up again. So the protocol kinda sorta says increase the ban. That's wtf happened. The long and short of it fit. To squabble over the timeline and this and that is past. It's done at this point. If it changes perspectives on each person, or MFG as a whole, we cant change that fact. Right now, this moment, just look at the giant picture instead of trying to pin point the particular piece of crap that's the worst in this. Jesuszilla got banned. It kinda sucks that such a strong creator could mess up like this. It doesn't matter at what point he did mess up. Because if someone had caught the message earlier it'd be pretty much the same exact outcome. It shouldn't have been there to be caught. Right??? <<Rhetorical. don't answer it.




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Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3980  July 28, 2018, 11:28:48 am
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stop sucking up to the mods lui, they're not gonna make you one of them.

hiya, don't mention me unless you get over your anger issues please and/or actually know what you're talking about, thanks.