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Started by Orochi Gill, July 09, 2016, 05:00:44 am
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#3381  August 27, 2019, 03:42:20 pm
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being aquatic, why doesn't godzilla evolve to have paddles for limbs instead?
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#3382  August 27, 2019, 04:02:25 pm
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because  godzilla is already the peak of human evolution.
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#3383  August 27, 2019, 05:14:19 pm
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human with tail, spiked back and no junk..... 

must be from australia :idea2:
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#3384  August 27, 2019, 05:28:28 pm
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Kakkoii, what’s your ethnicity?

You guys should post more pictures of where you live, those that live overseas.
Last Edit: August 27, 2019, 05:33:27 pm by 2Dee4ever
Re: Random Topic V10
#3385  August 27, 2019, 06:03:01 pm
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Or they shouldn't and should keep talking about Godzilla, who is clearly a lizard and shares more dna with birds than humans 

Oh, why must I tell 'em again?
What must I tell 'em, my friend?
That we are born into sin
And we are worshiping murderers
Nothing but evil duplicitous men
I know you heard of 'em all
We should just murder 'em all
We should just murder and ball
We dance on the ruins we looting from all of they palace's walls
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#3386  August 27, 2019, 06:11:31 pm
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#3387  August 27, 2019, 06:19:16 pm
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Alright, so not random, specifically memes. Thanks didn’t know.
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#3388  August 27, 2019, 06:25:09 pm
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No, actual discussions that don't already fit in other existing topics. Not random insanity.
If I struggled to the end of my determination, to the end of my way of life with my followers, if the result is ruin, then this ruin is inevitable. Grieve. Shed tears. But you cannot regret.
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#3389  August 27, 2019, 06:28:57 pm
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Random, in that the post your picture thread is an actual thread and asking for that out of the blue in other threads is just as weird as it is everywhere else
Oh, why must I tell 'em again?
What must I tell 'em, my friend?
That we are born into sin
And we are worshiping murderers
Nothing but evil duplicitous men
I know you heard of 'em all
We should just murder 'em all
We should just murder and ball
We dance on the ruins we looting from all of they palace's walls
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#3390  August 27, 2019, 06:34:24 pm
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Alright gotcha. Only see those that come up on the feed.

So while you are here Byakko, could I ask you a question? That could lead to a discussion potentially? You know Japanese right? Were you self taught? School? How did you learn? Is this okay? I’ve seen you transcribe scans and the like. I’m interested in transcribing some neo-geo CDs, KOF stuff. Specifically talking about transcription though.

Like these. Also the special edition of 94 Rebout, how it has that retelling of the plot. Anyone ever seen these?
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#3391  August 27, 2019, 06:55:56 pm
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#3392  August 27, 2019, 06:59:55 pm
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#3393  August 27, 2019, 07:02:40 pm
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I think we can all agree that Godzilla is at the very least from Australia
Oh, why must I tell 'em again?
What must I tell 'em, my friend?
That we are born into sin
And we are worshiping murderers
Nothing but evil duplicitous men
I know you heard of 'em all
We should just murder 'em all
We should just murder and ball
We dance on the ruins we looting from all of they palace's walls
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#3394  August 27, 2019, 07:13:34 pm
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So while you are here Byakko, could I ask you a question? That could lead to a discussion potentially? You know Japanese right? Were you self taught? School? How did you learn? Is this okay? I’ve seen you transcribe scans and the like.
Entirely self-taught, I started when I was like 11 y.o. when some guy in my town was selling his Japanese edition of the Dragon Ball manga. I wanted to read it, I learned it little by little over the years. All in all I took like one week of actual lessons. Since then I read a bunch of light novels and I've gone to Japan a couple times - but now it's been years since I've had real practice with actual Japanese people.

I’m interested in transcribing some neo-geo CDs, KOF stuff. Specifically talking about transcription though.

Like these. Also the special edition of 94 Rebout, how it has that retelling of the plot. Anyone ever seen these?
It's not particularly difficult but the problem is that those things take an extremely long time. Scans and short lists are very easy because it only takes a few minutes, but this here is a full time thing, it really doesn't work if you try to translate a couple minutes worth of text at a time in the evening. Worse, if you try to do a bunch of those like that, it becomes more and more tedious and you get really fed up after a while, like overeating to the point of bursting your stomach. A while back, I tried a long video of interviews where people talked a lot, it took me months to get halfway through it minute by minute, and then I just gave up because I lost interest in what they were talking about and I felt it was going nowhere.
Even this video here seems easy because it's just the same list of "name / birthday / country / likes / dislikes" for everyone, but then there's a back and forth for little thing you don't get on the spot and have to look up over and again (for Iori's "important thing", I have no idea what the hell is a ガボール, so I have to look it up and it's some kind of necklace jewelry). One video is fine, but if you have a list of things like that, it'll be a pain.
That's exactly why no one does it...
If I struggled to the end of my determination, to the end of my way of life with my followers, if the result is ruin, then this ruin is inevitable. Grieve. Shed tears. But you cannot regret.
Last Edit: August 27, 2019, 07:20:14 pm by Byakko
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#3395  August 27, 2019, 07:25:22 pm
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Scans and short lists are very easy because it only takes a few minutes,

I remember there was one gantz chapter (oni arc) that got translated in like two minutes because it was mostly dialog less and the few blurbs that it had were the katakana for "haha(as in panting)" ending with onyl one line of dialog ""want to fight" at the very last page.
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#3396  August 27, 2019, 07:30:02 pm
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Dang, that's what I figured. I'm trying to do the same thing, but haven't been able to dedicate as much time to it. I postponed my trip to Japan as I wanted to learn a bit more of the language first. What specifically worked best for you? Or anyone can chime in when trying to learn another language. Especially as you said you were self taught methods are different for everyone. Might sound silly, but after watching/listening to so much anime have been able to pick up on basic phrases etc.  It's a lot of misc stuff in that video, but I aim to document it all. You've actually encouraged me more if time is the only downside.

While on the subject of that (and please if this is the wrong place for me to be saying this all this, let me know.) Chamat has been trying to come up with an easier method of learning Japanese & Kanji, would be cool to hear your input. Right now, I'm trying to learn using this.
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A video of this method.
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This is the other kof thing I was talking about btw. My goal is to transcribe these and build a giant archive. There is one for every arc, I believe. They are just synopsis for the most part. The biggest mystery for me though.. I want the real story as written by the source. The direct translation can't be that bad in the English releases.
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Also, were you guys aware that King of Fighters Kyo is completely translated in Spanish?
Last Edit: August 27, 2019, 07:36:59 pm by 2Dee4ever
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#3397  August 27, 2019, 07:47:20 pm
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man i remember really wanting to learn japanese back in my teens because i really wanted to read an unscaned weird mecha manga called kakugo no susume. i never followed through.
my advice to you if you want to learn it; you better have a good reason to dedicate yourself to it. otherwise you're gonna drop it as soon as it gets tedious.
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#3398  August 27, 2019, 08:29:02 pm
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I do, I plan to move there once I ETS. I specifically want to rewrite most of, if not all of the sagas pertaining to those series. Originally for a game, but now I'm dropping mugen in favor of learning Japanese to create a new video series. Basically the goal is to stretch what little knowledge is available into a concise plot. Clean up all the plot holes, tie things together. Very little head canon, if possible. Though they could easily say, retcon Kaede being connected to Rock's family, etc etc. So the jin scrolls.. Kaede's old source of power eh? haha I just need all the "facts" and they are scattered about/(un)mistranslated etc.
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#3399  August 27, 2019, 08:35:15 pm
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Dang, that's what I figured. I'm trying to do the same thing, but haven't been able to dedicate as much time to it. I postponed my trip to Japan as I wanted to learn a bit more of the language first. What specifically worked best for you?
For reading, first thing is obviously to really drill the basic kana (katakana / hiragana), it's still the most common thing you'll see. After that, learning to just recognize by sight a bunch of common kanjis is a great help - even if you don't know how to pronounce it (knowing all the kun-yomi and on-yomi in all situations is just way too much anyway, you'll never make it). Even in complex words, if you recognize the first or second kanji, you at least have an idea of what this is about. When you know a bunch of very common kanjis (station, bridge, shop/market...), you can navigate much more easily by sight.
After that, really understand the structure of a sentence with the particles. The big difficulty that Europeans / Americans have with Japanese is that the structure is the complete opposite of what they're used to, it looks so remote and foreign that people will often complain that it's too hard - and that baffles me because I find that Japanese is by a long shot the easiest language I know, writing excluded (not that I know a whole lot of languages). All it means is that it's very hard to come up with a sentence in English, then try to translate it in your head piece by piece, and figure out halfway through that you need to completely reverse it (or the other way around, if you try to translate the Japanese words in your head one by one and then you flip it all to build the English sentence in your head). Just get used to completely restarting your sentence from the middle and don't let it frustrate you. If you recognize which word is the verb, what's an adjective etc., and also recognize where each word stops even if there's no space between them, you can know what word is important in the sentence and what word you can skip because it's fluff / padding. Generally speaking, you'll see a lot of ads and signs in the street that use complete phrases, and it's great training to be able to read them as you pass them, or at least figure out what the sentence is about by sight.
For the vocabulary, it's all about getting used to it. You don't really need to learn thousands of kanjis by heart before doing anything, kanjis will just come to you as you keep seeing them in different phrases, you'll recognize them more often if you actually try to identify them (but always second guess yourself for that, since the slightest change in radical can make a completely different word). Just always keep in mind that there's no "this word in this language = that word in that language", that's just not how languages work. Context is everything, and it can change the meaning of a word you thought you knew from something else, because a word becoming popular in a certain context as the language evolves can be completely different from the English word you thought it translated to. Always second guess yourself with the help of context, and always take a step back multiple times to recognize the sentence structure rather than get upset because you're staring at a single word/adjective and you can't figure out how it's built.

For talking, just learn. the. pronunciation. of. each. syllable. Do that once, and it never. ever. changes. There's no diphthong, no case where a vowel is pronounced a different way from completely arbitrary reason depending on the consonants next to it. Do spelling exercises, read out loud the syllables one by one. Get used to it. Learn it by heart.
No excuse for a broken reading that tries to force the English way to put the EMphaSIze on a speCIfic SYllable halfway through the word. It's not a fucking roller coaster with the volume going up and down at random. Learn to read the word with a completely flat tone and each syllable lasts the exact same duration.The only exception ever is when you're singing. Or if you're a drunken Yakuza.
(well, that's not true at all, but you really shouldn't be learning it any other way early on).

I've learned the bulk of it over my school years, back when the Internet wasn't nearly as effective (before Google), and it took a very long time of building up my habit of recognizing the sentence at a glance. Hell, learning to recognize names was hard. But it was all with manga, pop songs and anime until I was out of school, so don't let people tell you this is lame or not realistic. It's completely okay to learn a language by watching TV, even if people don't talk as clearly in real life. Everything else is building up your vocabulary merely out of habit (just keep close to you whatever is your favorite tool to know how to pronounce a particular word, and use it all the time).

If you're a good tourist (don't be noisy, don't shout on your phone or put up loud music, don't throw trash on the ground and keep it on you because you will NOT find any trash can unless it's right next to the vending machine, don't eat/drink while walking, don't take up a lot of space spreading your shit or at least apologize about it), then people are often very nice. Being a good tourist is very important. The stereotype that Japanese people are racist is mostly if you're an awful shithead of a selfish tourist. Bonus points if you're good and then feel super ashamed when you return to your home country because it's dirty and people are assholes.
There never was a time when I remotely looked like I was looking for something, map in hands, and someone didn't offer to show me the way in (broken) English within a couple of minutes. The first time I was in a subway station, fresh off the train from the airport to Osaka and I couldn't figure out how a Japanese subway station worked (basically the opposite of a subway station in Paris), a sweeper came and explained to me how to find my way. Another time, a station manager completely explained and demonstrated to me how to use the ticket vending machine. If it's not too far off, people will even offer to walk you there. I've talked (in Japanese) to a couple of monks telling me about the history of their temple, a pharmacist and an office lady like that on a few occasions (but I was completely lost in a discussion with the driver in a taxi ride in Hiroshima, accent too hard). Other than that, in shops, cashiers will almost exclusively talk to you in short English (except if they're just telling you "it costs xxx yens" and nothing else) even if you're talking to them in Japanese, so there's that. You can order your McDonald's menu in Japanese and they'll tell you the menu options in English without batting an eye.

From a quick look at that method in your video, it looks nice. Songs are very easy to learn from.
If I struggled to the end of my determination, to the end of my way of life with my followers, if the result is ruin, then this ruin is inevitable. Grieve. Shed tears. But you cannot regret.
Last Edit: August 27, 2019, 09:07:31 pm by Byakko
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#3400  August 27, 2019, 09:22:01 pm
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It’s interesting you say this as my gf was telling me all about it, she went last year. How clean and organized it is. I’d never fear anything negative happening ie racism etc. It’s way worse over here tbh. I’ve also seen that they really respect you for attempting to learn their language etc. You’ve added a bit more, will try to catch up. Thanks for taking the time to type it all out, I live for this kinda in depth wisdom.