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#1  May 26, 2019, 12:22:11 am
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I have now decided to announce a new community-centralized, MUGEN-based competition show, based on an idea by TrueGemini:
The World MUGEN Fighters Competition!
The below video should tell you everything you need to know about how it works:

This just underwent a major rules change! Now you can submit any character you want, as long as it doesn't break the rules below!
Now let's get into the submission rules:

First of all, no submitting characters that haven't already been submitted,
your reply with your submission must contain a working download link for the character you are submitting,
the character you are submitting must not be overpowered in any way (so stuff like null characters and one hit KO edits aren't allowed),
bonus stage submissions will be saved for the next season,
and the deadline for submissions is June 8th, 2019.

The bonus stages in this show are:
 
Street Fighter 2 Car, by Hiram Yagami (Or was it MabsMK, shit i dunno)

Street Fighter 2 Bricks, by N-Mario

Street Fighter 2 Oil Drums, by Tim Markworth

Fatal Fury 2 Pillars, by brown

Samurai Showdown Straw Dummy Slash, by PotS

Break the Targets, by AlGod

Let me know if I miscredited anyone on that list.
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Last Edit: May 29, 2019, 10:45:57 pm by GeorgeMP
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#2  May 26, 2019, 09:23:16 pm
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THIS LOOKS SOOOO GOOD!!! I can't wait to see how everything plays out! I just know this is gonna be epic! :lfor:

ALSO:
-I really like the logo!
-Thank you so much for making this idea come to life! I can't wait to fully see your variation of it!!!
Last Edit: May 26, 2019, 09:23:49 pm by TrueGemini
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#3  May 26, 2019, 11:15:40 pm
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#4  May 27, 2019, 01:19:33 am
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Cool idea, problem with it however

First of all, you need to have made the character you are submitting (although edits are allowed),



Memes aside, you're really implying that the majority of people here that reside on this forum know how to create or even edit a character. (unless your yield for what you consider an edit is pretty low but still) I guarantee just because of this rule that not much people will enter a character for this. (since the people who'd want to enter a character for this would just want to enter any character for this)

and the deadline for submissions is June 8th, 2019.

Also, I have ran mugen AI tournaments before and one thing is for sure is that two weeks isn't really enough time for people to sign up for this. (trust me it can take a long time to get that bracket filled)
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Cool idea, problem with it however

First of all, you need to have made the character you are submitting (although edits are allowed),

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEbl-umsFOM[/youtube]

Memes aside, you're really implying that the majority of people here that reside on this forum know how to create or even edit a character. (unless your yield for what you consider an edit is pretty low but still) I guarantee just because of this rule that not much people will enter a character for this. (since the people who'd want to enter a character for this would just want to enter any character for this)
I will accept edits of any kind, even simple ones (i.e. swapped sounds).
and the deadline for submissions is June 8th, 2019.
Also, I have ran mugen AI tournaments before and one thing is for sure is that two weeks isn't really enough time for people to sign up for this. (trust me it can take a long time to get that bracket filled)
I might consider pushing back the deadline if I don't get enough submissions in time.
I only need 10 submissions for Season 1 anyway.
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Last Edit: May 27, 2019, 02:09:54 am by GeorgeMP
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Cool idea, problem with it however

First of all, you need to have made the character you are submitting (although edits are allowed),

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEbl-umsFOM[/youtube]

Memes aside, you're really implying that the majority of people here that reside on this forum know how to create or even edit a character. (unless your yield for what you consider an edit is pretty low but still) I guarantee just because of this rule that not much people will enter a character for this. (since the people who'd want to enter a character for this would just want to enter any character for this)
I will accept edits of any kind, even simple ones (i.e. swapped sounds).

You're not listening when he's telling you you're basically cutting most people out of actually entering this.

Best of luck to you and all that.
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#8  May 27, 2019, 03:39:05 am
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I will accept edits of any kind, even simple ones (i.e. swapped sounds).

What is the even point then. Most people would just want to enter a character for this.

I might consider pushing back the deadline if I don't get enough submissions in time.
I only need 10 submissions for Season 1 anyway.

Ok, but just so you realize brackets go up by powers of two. Also there are a few other things to consider here from your video

  • What "big prizes" are you talking about. You never disclosed them.
  • Are you considering both rounds with this or just one (if so match.wins = 1 in the fight.def will help you out with that)
  • What happens to one of the worse characters if they win the match up
Last Edit: May 27, 2019, 04:09:45 am by Amidweiz
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I will accept edits of any kind, even simple ones (i.e. swapped sounds).

What is the even point then. Most people would just want to enter a character for this.
First of all, you need to have made the character you are submitting (although edits are allowed) (an exception can be made if you submit someone else's character with the permission of the original creator),
Fixed.
I might consider pushing back the deadline if I don't get enough submissions in time.
I only need 10 submissions for Season 1 anyway.

Ok, but just so you realize brackets go up by powers of two.
I'm not using a bracket. As explained in the video, characters will compete in a randomly chosen bonus stage every episode, and at the end of an episode, the 2 characters who do the worst fight, and the loser of the fight is eliminated from the competition. The process is repeated for each episode until only 2 characters are left, and once that happens, the 2 remaining characters will fight in the Title Bout.
What "big prizes" are you talking about. You never disclosed them.
As for that... You'll just have to wait and see.
Are you considering both rounds with this or just one (if so match.wins = 1 in the fight.def will help you out with that)
For the bonus stages, it depends. For the fight at the end of each episode, it's two rounds.
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#10  May 27, 2019, 04:40:13 am
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Do you know how to run something? Do you know how to make people want to participate?

You would need to be upfront with the prizes.
You would need to make it plausible to enter.
You would need to make it straightforward.

I see none of that.
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#11  May 27, 2019, 05:06:02 am
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As for the prizes, I want to keep them secret because I want them to be a pleasant surprise for those who claim them.
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#12  May 27, 2019, 06:14:51 am
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Hey yall, I see that some of you are a little confused when it comes to the plot/setup. So I've updated and extended the idea to help everyone get a better grasp on it. The link to it is in my signature! So enjoy!  :hyo:
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First of all, you need to have made the character you are submitting (although edits are allowed) (an exception can be made if you submit someone else's character with the permission of the original creator),
Fixed.

You do realize that is still limiting right. (I guess according to your rule, Juan Carlos, and Reubenkee characters are off the table then since they are DEAD IRL, and even so I highly doubt people would care if you need permission to use there character for what a mugen show) I don't understand why you don't just allow any character from any author, submitted by anyone it seems unnecessarily limiting. (and you haven't given me nor orochi gill an inkling of a reason why)

I'm not using a bracket. As explained in the video, characters will compete in a randomly chosen bonus stage every episode, and at the end of an episode, the 2 characters who do the worst fight, and the loser of the fight is eliminated from the competition. The process is repeated for each episode until only 2 characters are left, and once that happens, the 2 remaining characters will fight in the Title Bout.

Though you'll still have to have a power of two for this to work, this is just simple math even with your elimination setup if you want to end up with one person.

As for that... You'll just have to wait and see.

Ok, if you really want people to invest in this... you'll have to tell them what they'll receive. I did this with my mugen tournament with the participants obviously winning the tournament but also their team became the champions where they had to defend their title as it. (which means they couldn't participate in the next tournament for what should be obvious reasons) Even though technically people where satisfied enough with just winning the thing.

Hey yall, I see that some of you are a little confused when it comes to the plot/setup. So I've updated and extended the idea to help everyone get a better grasp on it. The link to it is in my signature! So enjoy!  :hyo:

Ok first of all why didn't you just link it in this thread, and secondly the thread doesn't really address the problems we've brought up here.

Here's how I would set this up and you should most defiantly follow if you want this thing to well work at all

Spoiler: revision (click to see content)

 


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Hey yall, I see that some of you are a little confused when it comes to the plot/setup. So I've updated and extended the idea to help everyone get a better grasp on it. The link to it is in my signature! So enjoy!  :hyo:

Ok first of all why didn't you just link it in this thread, and secondly the thread doesn't really address the problems we've brought up here.

Here's how I would set this up and you should most defiantly follow if you want this thing to well work at all

Spoiler: revision (click to see content)

1.) Sadly my post count is still under 10, so I can't post any links yet. And I woulda posted the message itself, but I felt like it's wayyy too long.
2.) I understand and respect y'alls issues when it comes to applying/submitting (I would just pick good balanced fighters), but this is his variation of the idea so it's really up to him to change that.
3.) I LOVE that you brought up having duos! I'm doing my own duo season right now! I don't think he's gonna do that for his season 1 though (I didn't), but it'd be amazing to see!
4.) This really isn't a "defend your title every season" type of game (can be changed in your variation though), each season would probably have an entirely different cast (at least that's how I do it) but again! this is his variation, so I don't know how it'll go!
Last Edit: May 27, 2019, 10:51:22 am by TrueGemini
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#15  May 27, 2019, 06:22:59 pm
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Although I did intend for this to be a way of getting some people to start creating (or editing) characters.
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#16  May 28, 2019, 04:26:25 am
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STILL waiting for submissions...
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#17  May 28, 2019, 06:53:03 am
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Although I did intend for this to be a way of getting some people to start creating (or editing) characters.

People aren't going to make or edit characters specifically for this... and if that is the whole reason for the extremely limiting rules then that's a pretty poor reason to do so. Like I told you before the people who'd want to join this just want to enter any character edited or not. If you just follow what my revision had said

Spoiler: revision (click to see content)

Then all these problems would be gone, especially considering that you're double posting for people to submit characters I'd would listen to what I have to say in the revision. Due note I'm trying to help you here with this by the way
Last Edit: May 28, 2019, 06:56:43 am by Amidweiz
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Although I did intend for this to be a way of getting some people to start creating (or editing) characters.

People aren't going to make or edit characters specifically for this... and if that is the whole reason for the extremely limiting rules then that's a pretty poor reason to do so. Like I told you before the people who'd want to join this just want to enter any character edited or not. If you just follow what my revision had said

Spoiler: revision (click to see content)

Then all these problems would be gone, especially considering that you're double posting for people to submit characters I'd would listen to what I have to say in the revision. Due note I'm trying to help you here with this by the way
I may actually use your rules for the next season. In the meantime, I'm contacting a few prolific character creators, asking them to submit their characters. Hopefully they do decide to submit.
And about the bonus stages. I just wanted a good selection of iconic bonus stages from all across the fighting genre. Who knows, perhaps I may even get the odd character whose AI excels at bonus stages! (If that's even possible)

But then again, this IS the part where I just throw everything at the wall and see what sticks, if you know what I mean.
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#19  May 29, 2019, 10:46:36 pm
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This just underwent a major rules change! Now you can submit any character you want, as long as it doesn't break the other submission rules!
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#20  June 01, 2019, 07:39:10 pm
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Nice, now with the rule change for my character I'll pick Kinyo Roadshow by The_none

now for better mini games/bosses for the AI to go through I've made up a list from some test I did

  • Strength Training by POTS
  • SoR2 by K-Fox
  • Punch Cell by Sawady
  • Stone Bonus by chin-ya
  • Legion by Omegapsycho
  • Control Box by sergeus
  • Ice Pillar Smash by MAITAKE
  • eye of cthulhu by MabsKMK

I'm sure there is more out there I missed
Last Edit: June 01, 2019, 07:49:50 pm by Amidweiz
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#21  June 02, 2019, 05:37:11 pm
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#22  June 02, 2019, 06:02:42 pm
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#23  June 02, 2019, 07:21:57 pm
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Nice, now with the rule change for my character I'll pick Kinyo Roadshow by The_none
Amidweiz, your submission was rejected due to being overpowered.


Ok wat, and yet you don't state what is overpowered with it. The only criteria I've seen for being overpowered is no characters with null states or insta-kill... which Kinyo Roadshow has none of those. Also considering the_none's version of Kinyo is you know way more fair than the original by googoo64 if you've taken a look at that before, so I still don't really see what's overpowered with him.
Last Edit: June 02, 2019, 07:47:27 pm by Amidweiz
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Nice, now with the rule change for my character I'll pick Kinyo Roadshow by The_none
Amidweiz, your submission was rejected due to being overpowered.


Ok wat, and yet you don't state what is overpowered with it. The only criteria I've seen for being overpowered is no characters with null states or insta-kill... which Kinyo Roadshow has none of those. Also considering the_none's version of Kinyo is you know way more fair than the original by googoo64 if you've taken a look at that before, so I still don't really see what's overpowered with him.

The reason I considered Kinyo Roadshow overpowered was because his moves do ridiculous amounts of damage, and he can string them together really easily. What I actually said was that your character must not be overpowered IN ANY WAY. And that INCLUDES stuff like null characters and one hit KO edits. I just wanted to mention the obvious stuff there. Now can you please submit something that isn't overpowered in any way, shape or form?
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Last Edit: June 02, 2019, 08:01:23 pm by GeorgeMP
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#25  June 02, 2019, 08:12:08 pm
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Nice, now with the rule change for my character I'll pick Kinyo Roadshow by The_none
Amidweiz, your submission was rejected due to being overpowered.


Ok wat, and yet you don't state what is overpowered with it. The only criteria I've seen for being overpowered is no characters with null states or insta-kill... which Kinyo Roadshow has none of those. Also considering the_none's version of Kinyo is you know way more fair than the original by googoo64 if you've taken a look at that before, so I still don't really see what's overpowered with him.

I actually said that your character must not be overpowered IN ANY WAY. And that INCLUDES stuff like null characters and one hit KO edits. I just wanted to mention the obvious stuff there.

Yet again you don't tell me why Kinyo roadshow by the_none is overpowered at all, is it the AI done by kamekaze? (I think the newer the_nones character's AI are done by kamekaze, and if that's so I guess kamekaze characters aren't applicable either), is it the damage? (because both dan and dimitri have similar damage levels to Kinyo you know)You have to state what you consider overpowered or else situations like this will happen!
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#30  June 06, 2019, 04:31:15 am
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A new character I am currently making will enter the competition...
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Ok, this has been bugging me over a few days and I'm needing say what I need to say

  • The question you are still dodging by the way, why is Kinyo Roadshow by the_none overpowered. The rules that you have on the OP barely tells me anything other than I can't have characters that use the null overflow exploit (which is really only exclusive to winmugen for the most part) or have one hit KOs.
    the character you are submitting must not be overpowered in any way (so stuff like null characters and one hit KO edits aren't allowed),
    You have to define more ground rules than this, not some shadow rule or some bias you have towards a character for whatever reason. People can't read your mind, nor they can't really judge your taste in mugen characters to appease you. When I did my mugen tournaments, I had ground rules which where

    • Chibi characters will be upsized to the size of shovel knight by roysquadrocks
    • No bonus game characters
    • No characters that do infinites
    • No apocalypse, Onslaught, etc like characters


    There needs to be something similar to this with yours or else people are just tossing characters at the wall to see what sticks, and that's a really bad method upon getting people to enter for this.

  • Some of your choices of mini games are well really bad for the AI to attempt. (I used choi for one because it easily demonstrates the problem with that one) The ones I didn't have links to are pretty tolerable for the AI to do like the version of break the targets you have, sf2 car, and sf2 barrels. The others require way to much specific things the AI will never figure out other than by sheer luck or if the author programmed the character to react to it. (FF2 bonus requires people to hit the top and the bottom half of the pillar three times, sf2 bricks causes glitches, and SS1 dummies most AIs just dart to the corner)  I would recommend using some of the mini games I posted in my previous post
    • Strength Training by POTS
    • SoR2 by K-Fox
    • Punch Cell by Sawady
    • Stone Bonus by chin-ya
    • Legion by Omegapsycho
    • Control Box by sergeus
    • Ice Pillar Smash by MAITAKE
    • eye of cthulhu by MabsKMK

    All these mini games don't require the AI to get them by sheer luck because of their simplicity
It may seem like I'm trying to bust your balls here with this but I'm trying to help you with this. This idea for the most part is pretty interesting, it just needs refinement that's all.
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which is really only exclusive to winmugen for the most part

 Technically, this is wrong since the null overflow exploit still works even above WinMUGEN, I even have a few of those in my roster. The method to achieve it is a bit more complicated than in WinMUGEN however.

 But yeah, these rules are still extremely poorly defined even after dropping the previous rule set that was even more vague and ill-defined.
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#34  June 06, 2019, 04:23:59 pm
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  • The question you are still dodging by the way, why is Kinyo Roadshow by the_none overpowered.
he said the reasons in a previous post; he edited it so it might not ahve been explicit enough if you read the version previous ot the edit.
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#35  June 08, 2019, 03:04:52 am
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which is really only exclusive to winmugen for the most part

 Technically, this is wrong since the null overflow exploit still works even above WinMUGEN, I even have a few of those in my roster. The method to achieve it is a bit more complicated than in WinMUGEN however.

 But yeah, these rules are still extremely poorly defined even after dropping the previous rule set that was even more vague and ill-defined.

Yea, I remembered that stuff like holy kula by smhungary89 exists which has that

  • The question you are still dodging by the way, why is Kinyo Roadshow by the_none overpowered.
he said the reasons in a previous post; he edited it so it might not ahve been explicit enough if you read the version previous ot the edit.

I didn't see the post that way when I looked at it yesterday, but yea it's still a really hamfisted way upon telling me what's cheap with it even if I disagree personally with what geroge said. Though despite that my post still stands with the mini games being poor for the AI to fight up against and the rules still being vague and ill-defined.

I guess either shura by GM, or Geese Howard by warusaki then. I might change this if I find a better character that does up against the current mini games (though I would still recommend using some of the ones I told you about since they do work well with the AI)[/list]
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#36  June 08, 2019, 07:40:08 pm
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when I used to beta test characters for other creators, sometimes a few small unbalanced moves completely broke up the character, the brasilian jab of doom is the best example; but a lot of characters that were otherwise "balanced" had grab traps, attacks with too much guard stun or infinites that amde them pretty cheap.
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#37  June 08, 2019, 08:52:00 pm
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if Gill by GM is too cheap, I would like to enter Demitri by Jmoprhman
Re: A new community-centralized competition show - World MUGEN Fighters Competition!
#38  June 09, 2019, 01:37:46 am
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