Pretty solid character, but, god hes tiny, I know hes originaly tiny, but, I think I should make a seperate MUGEN for Chibi chars

I like the way you used lots of different sprites

Haha useless post about OPINIONS, u sux.

At least you guys can tolerate small cornball characters, I absolutely refuse to touch them.

I got the impression it was intended for fighting game use, which would look horrible amongst most serious stuff.

Besides, my statement was more applauding those who could tolerate such a creation.

And about respect, I'll take that kind of comment from someone who's not a mod setting a bad example for how he'd like someone to act.

Sol Badguy Z said, January 29, 2008, 10:11:22 pm

OrochiWeapon2000 said, January 29, 2008, 10:07:54 pm

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Look dude, it's a small comment.  Pass over it.[/snide]

Now you're just being a dick.

Splitting now . . .

Sol Badguy Z said:

I got the impression it was intended for fighting game use, which would look horrible amongst most serious stuff.

Who are you to decide what's serious and what's not?
It was pretty serious for the creator to take his time to make it, don't you think?

Sol Badguy Z said:

Besides, my statement was more applauding those who could tolerate such a creation.

It really didn't sound that way 

Sol Badguy Z said:

And about respect, I'll take that kind of comment from someone who's not a mod setting a bad example for how he'd like someone to act.

I'm a bad example because ... I was cryptically making fun of your post?

You missed the point of my post, Opinions - yours isn't any more important than anyone else's.

You specifically posted in this thread you weren't going to "touch" the goods... so why bother posting at all?

How something SOUNDS over the internet?  Are you kidding me?

And who am I?  I'm one of the voices of the fighting game community.  If "we" wanted to play cornball characters, there'd be more of a market for them, wouldn't it?  They wouldn't be forgotten over the passing years either.  Where's cvspocke (all versions) now?  Where's that SF3 alex that finishes you off with a screenwide picture of Tiger Wood's Nike face super?  Who even still has Yoma Komatsu in their roster anymore?

Joking, or not, you don't do that if you're trying to make a point.

At least you guys can tolerate small cornball characters, I absolutely refuse to touch them.

Irony.

Haha useless post about OPINIONS, u sux.

Look dude, it's a small comment.  Pass over it.

Sol Badguy Z said, January 29, 2008, 10:11:22 pm

Look dude, it's a small comment.  Pass over it.

That should have been "Look dude, it was a small general comment I felt like making and not meant as an insult. Sorry if you took it that way, please pass over it." That could have been a nice end for it.
I mean it's not hard to see from which side both of you are coming from, is it?! Sol is too stubburn to add WELL SRY and walt presses for it and ends with frustrated OKAY FINE F U END OF DISCUSSION.
Off to bed I am. Hope that made sense.

This is what you say you want.  What's going to happen is that everyone who wants to legitamate mugen is gonna step over it on the way to warusaki etc like it didn't even exist.  It's good practice for first time creators, but it just aint practical.

That's cool and all, but I see it as rather futile.  I'm not worried about whether the average character can "hit" them.  They just don't fit.  Graphically, sensibly, all the above, and most likely, because they're broke as a motherfucker - despite what I said I'm worried about, trouble hitting the character still matters, and I doubt precautions were made to balance that fact out (serve bot still did piddly shit for damage when attacking, though it made him suck, it was still necessary that he did such).  Most cornball characters (my friend came up with the term, you can just read it as misfit) don't even have accompanying serious characters to even help blanket their debut, so why should I bother dling them?  I have enough beam supers and multihit specials, thank you.

No.  Just no.  Me not wanting to see something different is far from the truth.  With all the dumb, wierd, funny shit I've downloaded and played through you couldn't possibly use that as a point to make, not to mention you're speaking on behalf of everyone that does the same as you.  I also refuse to download stuff like stickman with a sword.  Regardless of what the guy is gonna do later with him (I hear he's uploading pics of him self into it), I have aesthetic tastes in what I want to put into my serious and FUN mugens, and a blue dot character on the screen that 1 hit KO screen detonation super is a better concept, currently.  I don't care if he finds it easier to do it that way, it's damn near impossible to guesstimate the collision boxes based on mspaint made garbage.  Just upload shitty quality pics of yourself for now and get better ones later.

Up their size, smooth out the graphics, balance their gameplay, and I'll test the fuck out of them, otherwise they don't exist.

Sol Badguy Z said, January 30, 2008, 09:08:13 pm

This is what you say you want.  What's going to happen is that everyone who wants to legitamate mugen is gonna step over it on the way to warusaki etc like it didn't even exist.  It's good practice for first time creators, but it just aint practical.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If you're in the Mugen community to be popular, you're in it for the wrong reason.

Sol Badguy Z said, January 30, 2008, 09:08:13 pm

That's cool and all, but I see it as rather futile.  I'm not worried about whether the average character can "hit" them.  They just don't fit.  Graphically, sensibly, all the above, and most likely, because they're broke as a motherfucker - despite what I said I'm worried about, trouble hitting the character still matters, and I doubt precautions were made to balance that fact out (serve bot still did piddly shit for damage when attacking, though it made him suck, it was still necessary that he did such).  Most cornball characters (my friend came up with the term, you can just read it as misfit) don't even have accompanying serious characters to even help blanket their debut, so why should I bother dling them?  I have enough beam supers and multihit specials, thank you.

Have you ever even downloaded small characters? I have a lot of small characters that are well-balanced fighters, with only their height separating them from the rest of the pack. The only small character with a "BEAM SUPER" on my roster is Shinaku's Jackie Chan, and even then, he's a really well balanced character. R-9 has beams as well, although you can literally kill it in three hits.

Sol Badguy Z said, January 30, 2008, 09:08:13 pm

No.  Just no.  Me not wanting to see something different is far from the truth.  With all the dumb, wierd, funny shit I've downloaded and played through you couldn't possibly use that as a point to make, not to mention you're speaking on behalf of everyone that does the same as you.  I also refuse to download stuff like stickman with a sword.  Regardless of what the guy is gonna do later with him (I hear he's uploading pics of him self into it), I have aesthetic tastes in what I want to put into my serious and FUN mugens, and a blue dot character on the screen that 1 hit KO screen detonation super is a better concept, currently.  I don't care if he finds it easier to do it that way, it's damn near impossible to guesstimate the collision boxes based on mspaint made garbage.  Just upload shitty quality pics of yourself for now and get better ones later.

Quote sumup: Graphics > Gameplay 

Sol Badguy Z said, January 30, 2008, 09:08:13 pm

Up their size, smooth out the graphics, balance their gameplay, and I'll test the fuck out of them, otherwise they don't exist.

They don't exist to you. And I'm sure most people wouldn't lose sleep over one individual who refuses to try out small characters because of his aesthetic preferences.

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One of the biggest driving concerns with fighting game fans and mugen is that they feel like they can't take it seriously due to 897986 versions of Shadow Violent Ultra l337 Ken and add any other shoto character with a prefix.   I won't even mention broken gameplay.  So when I see a character like this, either they're making it for another game (not interested), or it just HAS to be "for the hell of it", which isn't too bad, but I don't have to act impressed about it either.

I'm sorry? This is a problem with small characters how?

Since when have small characters been about the shin evil shoto? Since when in fact has their gameplay been reliably broken? And no, being small doesn't mean broken gameplay. Broken gameplay means the character does things that are completely unfair and not right, like extended invulnerability and shit like that.

Yes some are crap, but so are a lot of big characters.

There's also more people out there that LIKE small characters than you think.

I know some people who stack their roster with chibi's. Your opinion, doesn't make it fact. Nor does it give you the right to come into a thread and make a comment about something you don't even plan to download.

If you pass these things by, pass them by completely. We don't want to see your comments.

Sol Badguy Z said, January 30, 2008, 11:03:37 pm

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Quote sumup: Graphics > Gameplay 

Should be aesthetic tastes > gameplay

They're called opinions. They're yours, based on your experiences.
They're not facts, they're only truth to you.

By Opinions, etc I meant I will not try to make you change your mind, nor the other way around, for the sake of respecting the other person. EOD.

I just want you to acknowledge your comment was rather rude given the circumstances.

As long as there's the option, I have that ability.  I only apologize for realizing so late that there was a forum dedicated to oppinions, though that still doesn't excuse the fact that there are people going into these's "constructive criticism only" threads saying garbage like "NICE CHARACTER".  If I am creating a character, and just to be fair to naysayers, I don't want to hear your bullshit praises either if they have nothing I can use to make the character better.

If they are meant for fighting just small characters, then there's no comment.

Only the guys who will have legitamate mugens will count, because the competitive fighting game community will only accept such.

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As long as there's the option, I have that ability.  I only apologize for realizing so late that there was a forum dedicated to oppinions, though that still doesn't excuse the fact that there are people going into these's "constructive criticism only" threads saying garbage like "NICE CHARACTER".  If I am creating a character, and just to be fair to naysayers, I don't want to hear your bullshit praises either if they have nothing I can use to make the character better.

Yes you can. But how does "lol small character" help improve what someone has done? Especially if you aren't going to download it. It's be the same as someone going into the next crappy shoto thread and saying "lol shoto" Helpful? I don't think so. Your comment was rude, disrespectful, and due to the fact you hadn't and weren't going to download what you'd commented on unnecessary.

If you want to make the people going "nice character" look stupid. GIVE some constructive criticism. Right now, you're very wrong.

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If they are meant for fighting just small characters, then there's no comment.

They're MEANT to be used in mugen. Thats it. There is no special "competitive" mugen because mugen is what you make it.

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Only the guys who will have legitamate mugens will count, because the competitive fighting game community will only accept such.

General statement. I must disregard as such. Everyone counts.

R[E]ika said, January 31, 2008, 12:05:05 am

i wonder if you have got the point.

If my foundation is wrong, that's all I really care about.  All this "ur evil for not being nice" doesn't effect me whatsoever, since I said it wasn't meant that way, and too me, that's as far as I need to go in trying to convince someone in that case, and 'specially since I DON'T EVER TALK unless there IS a good character around I'm interested in downloading anyway.

Sol Badguy Z said, January 31, 2008, 12:14:16 am

R[E]ika said, January 31, 2008, 12:05:05 am

i wonder if you have got the point.

If my foundation is wrong, that's all I really care about.  All this "ur evil for not being nice" doesn't effect me whatsoever, since I said it wasn't meant that way, and too me, that's as far as I need to go in trying to convince someone in that case, and 'specially since I DON'T EVER TALK unless there IS a good character around I'm interested in downloading anyway.

But why not just continue doing that?_? 
Why not just apologize and say that you constructed the post badly??
[Kind of funny. My last post became irrelevant quickly, but this is sort of... Karma'ish, maybe  .

you can think that chibi characters/guilty gears characters are shit, most other people won't care or if they do, that's their problem. but when you barge on a chibi character topic talking shit about chibis do not be surprised over people jumping on you and saying well... you saw what happened.

you can think that chibi characters/guilty gears characters are shit, most other people won't care or if they do, that's their problem. but when you barge on a chibi character topic talking shit about chibis do not be surprised over people jumping on you and saying well... you saw what happened.

I've been banned before at other places, usually over significant stuff.

yeah, i purposefully used that wording so you could see how they took it. But in agreeement with the previous posts this topic should rather die since there is not much left to talk about anyway.

Vexl Valentine said, January 31, 2008, 12:20:44 am

Sol Badguy Z said, January 31, 2008, 12:14:16 am

R[E]ika said, January 31, 2008, 12:05:05 am

i wonder if you have got the point.

If my foundation is wrong, that's all I really care about.  All this "ur evil for not being nice" doesn't effect me whatsoever, since I said it wasn't meant that way, and too me, that's as far as I need to go in trying to convince someone in that case, and 'specially since I DON'T EVER TALK unless there IS a good character around I'm interested in downloading anyway.

But why not just continue doing that?_?  
Why not just apologize and say that you constructed the post badly??
[Kind of funny. My last post became irrelevant quickly, but this is sort of... Karma'ish, maybe  .

Well, I'm only apologizing for acting when I didn't know the full spectrum - I'm supposing I can take my silencer off in this forum?  The problem in question is that I called a work "cornball", which in real life is the equivelent of calling someone goofy.  Not much of an "insult", and realizing I'm not that person (could be worse to them), that's still all I'm willing to go far enough to get on their wavelength.  I could see if I said it was absolute shit, but that isn't the issue.  I'm not apologizing for such a sissyfied slap on the wrist, I have standards.  

i concur with most of your points on previous topics. concerning part of the staff considering baning you i see that as something completely uncalled for.

Banning? Maybe just a mute would be fine.

There are some situations where "I" could have had my share of lumps  

R[E]ika said, January 31, 2008, 12:31:58 am

you can think that chibi characters/guilty gears characters are shit, most other people won't care or if they do, that's their problem. but when you barge on a chibi character topic talking shit about chibis do not be surprised over people jumping on you and saying well... you saw what happened.

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Lol.  "Talking shit".  You see Vexel?  In their minds, talking shit is the same thing as making a statement that something is cornball.  They took their sweet time to blow it way out of proportion, and decided the motherfuckin Swat team coming in to take failed pot shots at me is the appropriate response.  Or maybe he's confusing the fact that this is it's own thread now?  That'd be best, because anything else I said in that thread was in response to others.

edited... This place is too fast sometimes

It can just be called a misunderstanding a be ended there.

Vexl Valentine said, January 31, 2008, 01:13:33 am

stuff

Yeah, that's why I put the spoiler tags on it.  I'm beginning to get the hang of this place - so different from what I'm used to.  I appreciate the both of you.