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Reu's Evil Homer, share or not to share ? (Read 44737 times)

Started by Warner, April 28, 2008, 09:31:53 am

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Share Reu's Evil Homer or not to share it ?

PRIVATE (nobody can have it )
28 (23%)
ONLY IF REQUEST ME by MAIL
9 (7.4%)
SHARE TO EVERYBODY
85 (69.7%)

Total Members Voted: 121

Voting closed: May 03, 2008, 11:48:33 pm

Reu's Evil Homer, share or not to share ?
#1  April 28, 2008, 09:31:53 am
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Well, a lot of people ask me to change my mind about to keep evil homer for my private use.
and someone suggest me to do this poll, since all my work has been always for all the community, i must to let, the community decide about this char's future.

By the way, i decided to change the way i call it.
Now i would like to everybody knows this char as "Reu's Evil Homer"
Because i decided to make it, using the Reu's code, because for me, evil ken has the real evil feeling an evil char must to have. (for me, is one of the best chars ever after Shinryoga's Supermario )
and my way to honour his work is giving that feeling from his code to a new char.

maybe i can't express well or don't understand me, but you have the last word about it.

hasta la vista, babosos !
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Last Edit: April 29, 2008, 02:09:02 am by Warner
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#2  April 28, 2008, 09:42:10 am
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I see no reason not to share it.

Now you can never unsee it.
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#3  April 28, 2008, 09:45:40 am
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Wasn't going to say anything, but: really, just find someone to code it instead of using someone else's character. Reu (and the rest of the world) needs clones of Evil Ken to pop up like they do Ebola.

Something new and even just quasi-original would be a better contribution and tribute.
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#4  April 28, 2008, 09:45:48 am
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I see no reason not to share it.
Well, some people dislike the idea a Simpson character parodying Evil Ken.  :-\

Wasn't going to say anything, but: really, just find someone to code it instead of using someone else's character. Reu (and the rest of the world) needs clones of Evil Ken to pop up like they do Ebola.
Something new and even just quasi-original would be a better contribution and tribute.
well, i said why i use Reu's code.
And of course is something New and original, i drew hundreds of frames (sprites) totally new and from scratch to make it.
neither Matt Groening drew so many poses to evil homer.  :P
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Last Edit: April 28, 2008, 10:17:49 am by Warner
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#5  April 28, 2008, 09:58:14 am
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Well, some people dislike the idea a Simpson character parodying Evil Ken.

Actually the real issue there was you taking Reu's Ken and having your way with it, not what you were doing with it in the process. You could've made Akuma from it and people would've still had complaints.

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well, i said why i use Reu's code.

Yet that's not really a good answer: why not let Evil Ken be unique? o.O

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and of course is something New and original, i draw hundreds of frames (sprites) totally new and from scratch to make it.

Great. And yet you can't find one single person that can code it? What happened to your partnership with @ndroide? And then there's JudgeSpear who could really use something to do other than his mario game. Not to mention many many others that could easily pull off the same style but at least keep it semi-unique.

Why don't you ask the public instead if they want an Evil Ken clone or an original character to represent Evil Homer in mugen?
Last Edit: April 28, 2008, 10:02:39 am by Kung_Fu_Man
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#6  April 28, 2008, 10:10:12 am
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Jesus tap dancing Christ...
Drop the issue already, YOU should make that friggin' decision...the poll just honestly screams ATTENTION WHORE.

KFM: I'd just drop the discussion... pretty much everything has been addressed already here and at RS (especially how disspointing is the lack of an original gameplay, pretty sprites only make half the part of a great character),repeating everything that has been said would be pretty pointless.
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#7  April 28, 2008, 10:13:13 am
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Yet that's not really a good answer: why not let Evil Ken be unique? o.O

Evil Ken is Unique !
And you're host him too in Random select, aren't you?
as you see Evil Ken is safe he didn't disappear.

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Great. And yet you can't find one single person that can code it? What happened to your partnership with @ndroide? And then there's JudgeSpear who could really use something to do other than his mario game. Not to mention many many others that could easily pull off the same style but at least keep it semi-unique.

Why don't you ask the public instead if they want an Evil Ken clone or an original character to represent Evil Homer in mugen?

Evil Homer is done ! my question is to share or not.
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#8  April 28, 2008, 10:19:09 am
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Yeah this is going nowhere fast.

But Warner, I wonder if you realize something that'll come as a result of this. Either

a) People download yours as much as Reu's, but as a result you diminish the uniqueness of Reu's own character and thus hurt his legacy. Your tribute as a result isn't much of a tribute then, is it?

b) or instead, people realize your character is a mere clone, and stick with the original instead of a cheap knockoff product. And Evil Homer will probably be cheap: old vels and hitdefs + bulkier clsn to cover Homer's bulk is going to equate to balance issues more than the original.


So like I said, why don't you ask the public instead if they want a clone or not? I'm done repeating myself and done with this thread.
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#9  April 28, 2008, 10:25:46 am
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Yeah this is going nowhere fast.
And it won't, both parties are pretty closed minded, and will en up in an endless loop, like always.

I absolutely support your b) point moreso than your a) point, but Warner stating that the character is pretty much finished, means he'll (sadly) settle for the current status of his character and move on into a next project.
I most certainly won't lose sleep if he releases his character, I might just shrug at some wasted potential, which might be a lose for the Mugen Community (In some way...and I think Warner himself might be affected in a way as well) but that's it.

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Last Edit: April 28, 2008, 10:41:27 am by Klavier Gavin
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#10  April 28, 2008, 10:31:48 am
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People download yours as much as Reu's, but as a result you diminish the uniqueness of Reu's own character and thus hurt his legacy. Your tribute as a result isn't much of a tribute then, is it?

hmmm, i don't think of, since Evil Ken it was available for many years, and there is not enough original creators who replace his thousand sprites by new ones hand made.

and also i think the people who use my cartooning chars are mostly kids, and to use a Reu's char as a Boss, now is a possibility.  ;)
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#11  April 28, 2008, 11:22:51 am
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I vote for SHARE TO EVERYBODY.
Evil Homer looks funny, i don't like it if he's going to private.
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#12  April 28, 2008, 12:00:26 pm
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I vote TURN OFF CAPSLOCK

On a serious note, I vote patch if anything, although like Dio said above, I won't lose any sleep over it if it's released as a full char.
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#13  April 28, 2008, 12:53:10 pm
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Spoiler: an old story this topic made me recall (click to see content)

Evil Homer is simply not good enough, for reasons that have been pointed out (CLSN boxes for example), to really take anything away from, ah, Reu's legacy.

And Dio is right: you must make up your own mind, Warner, and do what you think is the right thing.
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#14  April 28, 2008, 12:55:54 pm
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I split my post into two. The previous one was for Warner, this one is for KFM.

Evil Homer is simply not good enough, for reasons that have been pointed out (CLSN boxes for example), to really take anything away from, ah, Reu's legacy. And if what offends you most of all about this project is the theory that Warner is only trying to draw fame and glory to himself by riding on better people's successes...

Warner would recieve a lot less attention if it weren't for talk of graverobbing and---Ebola?!? Aren't such replies sure to generate attention? you're totally graverobbing yourself man, and the great Reu would be ashamed for how you behave trying to protect his name.

The great Reu's great Evil Ken was originally an inferior edit of the highly popular Ken & Gang character by the highly-respected creator Tenshin.

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Pretty much very seldomly did I ever actually get along with him however: he was more laid back where I was serious; more relaxed about his characters where I preached gameplay issues. Looking back at it...I feel guilt for that. Reu made his stuff as he chose and lived how he chose here.

As far as fighting game gameplay is concerned, Tenshin's understanding for it was better than Reu's. Tenshin's old Rolento and Ken were better than Reu's rather cheap creations---not better looking or with better ideas, but with better gameplay, which is your, mine and most of our friends' main criteria for judging a character's worth and quality.

Your theory is Warner is only out for Reu's and other people's glory. My theory is, if you had been around and had anything to say about the matter, KFM, if you had been, let's say, Tenshin's lol spokesperson, you would not have allowed Reu to even start his Evil Ken project. Ash, if you went back today, just like you are---knowing everything you do except what would become of Reu and his projects---you would prevent the guy whose legacy you're attempting to keep untainted by inferior tributes from ever building his legacy in the first place.

You would have prevented Evil Ken if you could have, you would do so even now if you went back---you very seldomly actually got along with Reu, and Evil Ken was an inferior edit of the highly popular, excellent quality Ken & Gang character by the highly-respected creator Tenshin. There would be no Evil Ken today because of you, Ash.

You're an enemy of the concept and don't get along with with the creator. What business do you have defending its legacy? Are you merely trying to get attention, with your talk of Ebola and graverobbing, by retro-actively attaching your name to a great legacy you never liked so long as Reu still lived?

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Pretty much very seldomly did I ever actually get along with him however: he was more laid back where I was serious; more relaxed about his characters where I preached gameplay issues. Looking back at it...I feel guilt for that. Reu made his stuff as he chose and lived how he chose here.
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#15  April 28, 2008, 01:17:53 pm
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Funny thing about that, I'll assume it's pretty much a given Tenshin was even more laid back than Reu: he sure seemed it anyway, and hell I host him too after sending an inquiry. Not to mention wasn't the scene much different back then with a more or less level playing field in the coding department as far as knowledge went? Additionally if Warner went "I have sprites, who wants to code?" today, I wonder how fast people would line up. Hm.

Reu also didn't take a character (Big Eli -> Wario) mutliple times (Birdie -> Krusty) to make up for inadequacy (NGPC Luigi -> Warner's Luigi) in the ability to code (Iori -> Homer). Not to mention too I doubt Reu ever went all repentant to everyone's face only to go to a warehouse and say his penance was simply because "he had to" because everyone was busting his balls. And I'm skimming the surface.

As for the last point you try throwing at my face Sepp, take a good guess at the hand gesture I'm directing towards you at this time. But the point of the matter is this: nothing's stopping him from making his own. You want a quote to go with it? Here's one

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#16  April 28, 2008, 02:16:21 pm
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just release it man like i said the majority of people who like it is greater than the people who are  against it,

release it , why put all that effort in just to make it for yaself
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#17  April 28, 2008, 02:21:22 pm
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I see no reason in sharing it. Reu loved to share his creations with the mugen community and if it is now called Reu's Evil Homer then why not share it. Reu wanted people to have mugen characters why not this one too.


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#18  April 28, 2008, 02:27:17 pm
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I say share it.
This is an hommage, plain and simple.
Good luck on the project.
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#19  April 28, 2008, 02:51:58 pm
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wow, this thread is attracting leechers from every corner, warner please consider looking for another coder it would lighten the load on everything, or if this eventually happens at least keep the name that appears as reu's evil homer and allow others to recode it into something else, maybe have azcal or someone that makes tough ai's do the ai, but i honestly recomend not releasing this to the public, but then again leechers are the majority,
warner at least answer this question, why dont you let someone else work on the coding? and let the tribute be the tough ai?
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#20  April 28, 2008, 03:00:28 pm
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