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"Expelled" with Ben Stein Thoughts
#1  October 26, 2008, 08:22:17 am
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Alright I just saw "Expelled", the movie with Ben Stein narrating.

What I don't get is why do people have to say that Religion and Science can't go together. And the evidence supporting "Darwinism" is really sketchy. I mean the chances of getting a living being out of the Primordial Mud/Soup/Whatever is astounding. You'd have to have 250 protiens together in a certain order, and being together a certain way. It's like running a slot machine, getting the grand prize, and having to do it 249 more times. It not likely at all, like a 1/100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 chance. And these scientists say that there is no possibility of intellegent design or a god. But it is still quite possible. There is less and less academic freedom in the colleges and schools, so why can't we just teach both? It's possible for BOTH to be true, but it seems that only one can be taught in schools nowadays.

I highly recommend you pick up this movie for yourself and form your own opinion from it.

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#2  October 26, 2008, 09:05:28 am
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kingofM.U.G.E.N. said, October 26, 2008, 08:22:17 am
And these scientists say that there is no possibility of intellegent design or a god. But it is still quite possible.
Intelligent design often is associated with the six thousand year old earth thereby rejecting all of the fossil record and carbon dating.  I didn't see the movie, but if you'd ask scientists if it's acceptable to even theorize that at least single cell organisms were intelligently designed, they'd mostly agree.

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#3  October 26, 2008, 09:11:20 am
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Yes but people were being fired from their jobs for suggesting so.

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#4  October 26, 2008, 09:27:55 am
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You only know as much as they'll let you know on those situations.  All you know is that they were fired and that they partially believe ID.  You don't know if there were other circumstances and they just claimed that ID was the only reason they were fired.

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#5  October 26, 2008, 12:23:37 pm
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I mean the chances of getting a living being out of the Primordial Mud/Soup/Whatever is astounding. You'd have to have 250 protiens together in a certain order, and being together a certain way. It's like running a slot machine, getting the grand prize, and having to do it 249 more times.
Do you have a problem with how it tooks millions of years for that to happen ? It's like the saying that goes, give a typewriter to an indefinite number of monkeys for an indefinite time and someday one of them is going to type Victor Hugo's Les Misérables just by chance. The keypoint being the few millions of years inbetween. It's just chance.
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#6  October 26, 2008, 04:19:12 pm
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Most people can honestly say that the Earth is not six thousand years old. Some accept the fact that it can be older, saying that the words in the bible are very cryptic and metaphorical. Whatever religious book you might read never talked about the dinosaurs because humans and dinosaurs never existed, so that might give the reason why the earth seems younger than it was. I mean, we are the same civilized bunch that said the Earth was flat!
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#7  October 26, 2008, 04:23:15 pm
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Because we didn't know any better.  For all we know we're totally wrong about gravity and 1000 years into the future everyone will laugh at us.

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#8  October 26, 2008, 05:49:16 pm
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thing that stops me from ever watching this movie is how much time bill stein wastes/wasted before the movie trying to prove that Evolution doesn't explain how we got here, how thermo dynamics work, gravity, etc etc....

reason being cause the dumbfuck doesn't know evolution doesn't have anything to do with those, hence why i'll never watch his movie. the guy had a couple of appearances where he does, in fact, say "evolution doesn't prove *above three points*" when evolution just explains how lifeforms adapt...

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#9  October 26, 2008, 10:05:50 pm
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The problem with this dilemma is that people can't separate evolution from abiogenesis nor intelligent design from creationism . . .

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#10  October 26, 2008, 11:42:55 pm
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I can believe single cell organisms were intelligently designed. Us though, we contain many flaws. For example, why is our hole for air in the perfect place to be clogged up by food or water? Would it not make more sense to have it higher up? And the windpipe in a less vulnerable place? Like behind the oes... throat.

Or toes. We don't really need 5. We could get by quite comfortably with the big toe and the rest formed into a pad or something. You wouldn't stub your little toe so fucking often that way.

If god designed us he did a shit poor job and should have been sacked. I'm with Terry Pratchett. I think some apprentice did it when god wasn't watching.


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#11  October 27, 2008, 05:37:27 pm
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You know, you're right.  He obviously didn't think shit through at all, especially not the template for creating lifeforms (you'll see a similarity in structure between a majority of animals and humans), our functionality and especially our intelligence.  Also, fuck the fact that he's a God and may have a different view on what he deems necessary for an animal to live, rather than making it convient by our standards, because all animals should be created completely impervious to everything.
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#12  October 27, 2008, 05:55:17 pm
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Intelligent design has many merits and many scientist believe in some form of it but there is no proof. The problem is these same scientist know for a fact that the crap in the bible is just crap in the bible and the idea of mixing intelligent design with the bible is completely moronic. There's the problem people refuse to say the truth the bible is not literal. Some parts are more history than crazy shit and most of those parts are written by first hand accounts but stuff like Adam and Eve were written by Moses and he wasn't present and was educated as one of Pharaohs sons. The Adam and Eve story could originally be an Egyptian Idea and the first theory of Evolution.

If you look at the algorithms they have discovered concerning evolution and the Physics of well everything in the Universe the math is very exact. As in if you recreated the Big Bang the exact same thing would happen even us being alive and typing this shit would happen again. Even Chaos theory disappears if you go far enough back in time. Math is Math.

Because of these programing you could theorize that the math is to perfect and that something made the physics (Programing) The same way a computer programmer creates the Physics of a simulated world.

So far there is no proof but when you consider how perfect the Math is that even evolution can be broken down to a mathematical algorithm intelligent design warrants a degree of recognition as a possibility.

The problem once again is people who scream about intelligent design are screaming about the bible and heaven and hell so no one will listen to a crazy person. Science is just a bunch of weights and measures. If you can't weight measure or count it then you can't say it's scientific. Intelligent design you can measure so there for it can be studied. The bible has already been measured and it turns out it is false.

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#13  October 27, 2008, 06:13:42 pm
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Wall of text ... again. You're hard to read, your posts are lengthily hard to ignore, and you seriously need to improve your synthesis skills + punctuation.

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#14  October 27, 2008, 06:16:42 pm
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It's not my fault I was intelligently designed to fuck up like that.

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#15  October 27, 2008, 08:10:43 pm
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Don't worry.
He said that the spacing in my paragraphs hurt his eyes at one point.
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#16  October 27, 2008, 10:35:02 pm
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walt is a delicate person, I get it, ok.

kingofM.U.G.E.N. said, October 26, 2008, 08:22:17 am
It's like running a slot machine, getting the grand prize, and having to do it 249 more times. It not likely at all, like a 1/100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 chance.
Thoughts?

Let's play a game, I will roll 4 dices, if I get 6s in the 4 of them I can punch you in the face, if I don't I can just try again. There is no limit to the amount of times I want to roll the dices so I can keep on plying for months if I wish, rolling them every 5 seconds. Now, who is going to get punched in the face?

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#17  October 27, 2008, 10:36:17 pm
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4 dice?  Pffff.  Lame.

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#19  October 28, 2008, 12:19:48 am
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But giving abiogenesis "an unlimited amount of time to happen cuz is the only thing we could do or the whole shit comes down" is not super-scientific  :(

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#20  October 28, 2008, 12:53:02 am
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If I were (a) god with the desire to create puny creates such as humans, I would certainly do so by giving one single molecule a slight pinch, which would consequently form together the proteins, trigger evolution and create men. So what if it takes some billion years. I'm friggin' god in this metaphor. Create people directly, how lame is that?

If anything, god is the answer to "why", not "how". Creationism is ok as long as it's taught as an ideology, not sold as fact.

What your original post, and for that matter every single pro-intelligent-design argument comes down to, is "omg I can't imagine it it must be supernatural."
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