So a rumor is circulating around about that absolute shitheap nazi cap storyline.

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"it is revealed that Captain America, Steve Rogers, was always Hydra…because originally Hydra (and thus, the Nazis) won World War II. The Allies, in a last ditch attempt, use a Cosmic Cube to alter reality so that Hydra and the Nazis lose, and that is the Marvel Universe we know. A world that was artificially fabricated by the Allies, including a truly Allies-loyal Cap (possibly because the Allies never learned of his deception?). And thus, when Kobik turned Cap to Hydra, she was actually awakening his true self from the original timeline before the Allies changed everything, and thus allowing Rogers to restore Hydra to its ‘rightful’ position."

Cap's creators are rolling in their graves right now.

I'm sad that Power Man and Iron Fist (the really fun book they launched last year that treated the characters as comic book Riggs and Murtaugh which is absolutely how they should be treated) is going away, but if the new Luke Cage series replacing it is done with as much love as this one I'll be on board. Well, at least until the next relaunch.

Fishing for a recommendation here if I can find one:  Are there any Captain Marvel books out there that actually make her seem like a good person?

I've been catching up on a ton of comics during my downtime at work lately and I just got through the Civil War 2 event, which left me with pretty strong dislike of the character.  Throughout that entire series Carol Danvers is presented as a morally bankrupt, self-righteous, authoritarian tyrant, and every tie-in book I read continues to reinforces that image (even Ms. Marvel, and I figured if any book would show her in positive light it'd be that one).  That feeling is so strong that I'm honestly starting to thing it might actually be confirmation bias on my part.  So I was wondering if there's something should be reading that presents her as something less than a Judge Dredd level fascist, to balance things out.

Fishing for a recommendation here if I can find one:  Are there any Captain Marvel books out there that actually make her seem like a good person?

I've been catching up on a ton of comics during my downtime at work lately and I just got through the Civil War 2 event, which left me with pretty strong dislike of the character.  Throughout that entire series Carol Danvers is presented as a morally bankrupt, self-righteous, authoritarian tyrant, and every tie-in book I read continues to reinforces that image (even Ms. Marvel, and I figured if any book would show her in positive light it'd be that one).  That feeling is so strong that I'm honestly starting to think it might actually be confirmation bias on my part.  So I was wondering if there's something should be reading that presents her as something less than a Judge Dredd level fascist, to balance things out.

• Captain Marvel (2012-2013): this is the big relaunch by Kelly Sue DeConnick that made the character an A-lister, gave her an incredibly devoted fanbase, and is basically the reason the character is getting a movie. It's very good, but Marvel cut it off after only 17 issues because they cannot stop relaunching a single fucking thing, all the time. DeConnick continues on the following volume, but it's noticeably weaker because the momentum has been artificially halted. Still pretty good, though.
• Ms. Marvel (2006-2010): this was a bit of a cult hit, I'd say. It was never a top seller, but it was able to last long enough to gain a lot of praise. This run definitely cemented Carol Danvers as an important heavyweight in the Marvel pantheon, both in-universe and out. It's very solid.
• The Ultimates (2015-2016): this isn't actually a solo comic, it features a team led by Captain Marvel. And it fucking rules! It's so goddamn good, I seriously cannot praise it enough. But to keep on topic: this was basically the only book on the stands that tried to make Captain Marvel a sympathetic character during Civil War II, and it almost kinda made it work, somehow; moreover, it was easily the best book Captain Marvel was appearing in during its short existence. This only lasted 12 issues, but it got a sequel series that is currently being published right now, called The Ultimates², which I also highly recommend.

Honestly, I felt like the deaths Carol caused this time around were way worse than what Tony did, because of the utterly selfish reasoning behind it.  After she got Rhodes killed she threw herself into the whole turbo-fascism thing to avoid having to confront the fact that it was 100% her fault he died, which led to Bruce Banner being preemptively murdered for something he didn't do, which made her keep going even harder to avoid that guilt too.  Seriously, Captain Marvel spent the better part of the last year leaving a trail of bodies behind her to distract herself from the trail of bodies she was leaving behind her.

Thanks for recommendations, though.  I'll put it on my list.  I'm probably going to start in on Matt Fraction's run on Hawkeye next though, since I've heard nothing but amazing things about it.

Person Man said, April 26, 2017, 02:12:29 am

Honestly, I felt like the deaths Carol caused this time around were way worse than what Tony did, because of the utterly selfish reasoning behind it.  After she got Rhodes killed she threw herself into the whole turbo-fascism thing to avoid having to confront the fact that it was 100% her fault he died, which led to Bruce Banner being preemptively murdered for something he didn't do, which made her keep going even harder to avoid that guilt too.  Seriously, Captain Marvel spent the better part of the last year leaving a trail of bodies behind her to distract herself from the trail of bodies she was leaving behind her.

Thanks for recommendations, though.  I'll put it on my list.  I'm probably going to start in on Matt Fraction's run on Hawkeye next though, since I've heard nothing but amazing things about it.

I dunno, that kinda makes me feel more sympathetic to Carol? Tony never really allowed himself to feel much remorse for any of the damage he caused, and it was his own arrogance that pushed him to keep escalating the conflict. The best thing the various creative teams working on Tony during that time were able to come up with were that he's one of the smartest people on Earth, a futurist, so obviously his side is right, and everything he did was justified, and even if it turned out badly the alternative would've been worse. And even with all that, it didn't really help his side.