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Started by Iced, February 24, 2012, 09:43:26 pm
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Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3981  July 27, 2018, 07:50:37 pm
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If you mean specifically the part where it was a permaban at some point, then retracted to a year, then I'm still saying that it's justified all the same for the same reason. I'm not discussing the ban length. I'm saying it's completely within expectations that he or anyone might end up getting permabanned over the most ridiculous shit if he's been doing it for 15 years over and again and has been banned for it multiple times with increasing duration.

That and the profile defacing thing is a dumb thing to get upset about. It's literally nothing.
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Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3982  July 27, 2018, 07:58:00 pm
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I don't deny that any of it is justified. Though still I say it went overboard with said punishment. Which is the point. Orochi even clarified that JZ didn't lie to him and had no reason to, yet that was thrown in to add more fuel to the fire. Also, the profile mocking is relevant. Albeit not the biggest issue, but it was an abuse of power. Like I said, we're all human, and I don't hold it against him. Though Red is right when he say mods/admins and the like are supposed to set a higher standard, and not stoop to level of the users they have to interact with.
Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3983  July 27, 2018, 08:03:23 pm
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He had to scroll past what he'd made in the past to add a new insult. If he'd forgotten he was reminded at that point. It'd been better if he said "I was adding this new insult when I saw my 5 year old one that I'd forgotten about LMAO". At most he forgot then didn't care and left it.

Sorry if I had a low point one time where I wanted to rib someone back that's ribbed me for so long. One time in all the year's I've done this and I'm condemned... All the help I've given to so many over the years and this one thing makes me terrible. I mean it won't ever happen again but I really feel it's being blown out of proportion. I don't have a history of such things and would prefer to work with everyone. Even JZ.
Last Edit: July 27, 2018, 08:08:00 pm by Just No Point
Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3984  July 27, 2018, 08:31:48 pm
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i don't think the backlash is directed at you in particular, what you did was minor. iced kinda missed things up and left you to pay the bill (with all due respect to you iced).
just leave it behind you man.
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Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3985  July 27, 2018, 08:41:12 pm
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I don't really see what Iced did either. He banned too high then the staff came in and pulled it back down. It changed nothing. Having different mentalities on staff is to aid each other if one does something a bit too drastic. TBF perma isn't too drastic considering how long this has gone down. As Byakko noted the length is irrelevant. In the end it makes it look like some are upset he said the ban was permanent out loud. It was instantly in the process of getting reworked before he even pulled that trigger. Some were saying keep it 3 months. Some 1 year, Some perma.

EDIT: I should note that JZ was probably twice as hard on Iced over the years than JZ was with me. At one point he was making a lot of maybe real/maybe joking death threats to him.
Last Edit: July 27, 2018, 09:02:01 pm by Just No Point
Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3986  July 27, 2018, 09:15:02 pm
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I banned too high but the rebalancing was , as said ,justified. Ban lenght always get argued to an agreed position amidst majority.

My patience runs thin on situations where the person keeps doing the same type of activities over and over again, specially on people i hoped wouldve changed behaviour over time.

That past history is the direct cause of the inflated punishment

This is literally how PAST HISTORY works. Byakko already went deep into that.
Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3987  July 28, 2018, 12:32:36 am
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But it was changed to a year because some thought it was excessive. It's already been done, again, before rednavi even started with his terrible post.

Hence why nobody was arguing for that, because it's already been *done*


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Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3988  July 28, 2018, 10:04:11 am
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stop sucking up to the mods lui, they're not gonna make you one of them.
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Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3989  July 28, 2018, 10:12:22 am
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Dude, just don't.
You fight with him way too often.
Just let it go.
Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3990  July 28, 2018, 11:23:47 am
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I think I just read the last 3? pages. Pretty much everyone is in agreement about everything.
I don't ever do the heavy lifting on the mod team. I do voice my opinion when it differs.
Jesuszilla obviously has his ups and downs. Everyone does.
But everyone should take note on this crappy situation. When you get banned you need to focus up a little bit. He's been banned for stupid stuff right? Maybe if you get banned and you edit your signature you should actually read it and make sure it wont get you banned again.
If the team has a personal vendetta against him, why would he be linked in the news feed? <<Rhetorical. don't answer it.

You guys need to realize not every person is active 100% of the day. The small amount of time from when this happened til it exploded is microscopic in my opinion. Even if it took a week to have a final decision that should say something. Latching on to one point doesn't do anyone any favors. -was this like this -did that mean this -who said when; Each thing has it's own weight in the situation. But it's all connected. The entire thing is the picture we have to look at, and that's it. There's a protocol we follow when banning people. There's no board with balloons we throw darts at.

We are a team. We listen to each other and heed the others' advice and comments. And in this crappy situation I think most of us dont want to see him banned, but he fuct up. And regardless if he misspoke or lied is near irrelevant. He fuct up, then fuct up again. So the protocol kinda sorta says increase the ban. That's wtf happened. The long and short of it fit. To squabble over the timeline and this and that is past. It's done at this point. If it changes perspectives on each person, or MFG as a whole, we cant change that fact. Right now, this moment, just look at the giant picture instead of trying to pin point the particular piece of crap that's the worst in this. Jesuszilla got banned. It kinda sucks that such a strong creator could mess up like this. It doesn't matter at what point he did mess up. Because if someone had caught the message earlier it'd be pretty much the same exact outcome. It shouldn't have been there to be caught. Right??? <<Rhetorical. don't answer it.




and @Luis Alejandro: you got a pretty big laugh out of me with that one lol.
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Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3991  July 28, 2018, 11:28:48 am
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stop sucking up to the mods lui, they're not gonna make you one of them.

hiya, don't mention me unless you get over your anger issues please and/or actually know what you're talking about, thanks.
Re: Feedback to Warnings/Decisions
#3992  July 29, 2018, 01:48:45 am
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Why don't you two continue your lovefest in PM's or something; this isn't the place for it.

stop sucking up to the mods lui, they're not gonna make you one of them.
Grow up, dude.