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All Chars Updated By Guille_N_Roll (18-05-2011)
#1  May 18, 2011, 02:37:23 pm
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EvilRyuSF'2, ShinGoukiSF'2, EvilKenSF'2 and RyuSF'2 Has been updated!!
After 1 year i made Big changes for the chars:
*New AI (thanks to trissey113)
*Fx and sounds changed
*Gameplay changed
*A lot of bugs fixed
*Some new palettes

Here some pics:



The Gameplay Videos:
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And the download links:
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Movelist in the Character ReadMe (english or spanish).

Any Bug, let me know it ;)

Enjoy them :D
And thanks for download them.

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Re: All Chars Updated By Guille_N_Roll (18-05-2011)
#2  May 18, 2011, 02:39:37 pm
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Stop using those lifebars!!!  :XD:
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#3  May 18, 2011, 04:40:18 pm
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Gracias por la actualizacion de estos personajes Guille, estan de PM estos chars. Un saludo  :sugoi:

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#4  May 18, 2011, 05:44:26 pm
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LOL at the SF2 Ken with GUILTY GEAR FLAME FX.  Seriously what the hell....

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#5  May 18, 2011, 05:50:49 pm
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Why does ryo turn into evil ken
xX-Nero-Xx said, May 22, 2013, 03:27:40 pm
I wouldn't consider that a infinite since you have to make your opponent bounce of the wall and if you do it on the wrong side of the stage the stage interaction would activate.

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#6  May 18, 2011, 06:26:22 pm
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#7  May 18, 2011, 06:51:16 pm
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sion said, May 18, 2011, 04:40:18 pm
Gracias por la actualizacion de estos personajes Guille, estan de PM estos chars. Un saludo  :sugoi:
do you speak any english??? Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth???
"Given the choice; whether to rule a corrupt and failing empire or to challenge the Fates for another throw a better throw against one's destiny... what was a king to do?
Last Edit: May 18, 2011, 06:55:53 pm by Lord Kain

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#8  May 18, 2011, 06:56:28 pm
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^ that was entirely unnecessary.

But yeah, this is an English forum, please speak English outside the Spanish topic.

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#9  May 18, 2011, 07:02:07 pm
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#10  May 18, 2011, 07:07:13 pm
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He's basically saying "Thanks for the chars, Guille. They're fucking great". The "fucking great" comes from PM, which is the short version of "Puta Madre". It's not an insult (before someone jumps saying it is) if it's used this way.

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#11  May 18, 2011, 07:16:25 pm
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"Given the choice; whether to rule a corrupt and failing empire or to challenge the Fates for another throw a better throw against one's destiny... what was a king to do?

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#12  May 18, 2011, 08:35:59 pm
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Kain... I speak English a little, and I fully understand your words (even though it would be best to not understand them) only this thanking Guille for the updating of their characters. By that I was that the speaks my language, nothing more. Sorry for not speaking English in the Forum will not occur. And thanks for the explanation of Nanashi_1337. Greetings I sorry for my bad English
Last Edit: May 18, 2011, 08:48:49 pm by sion

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#13  May 19, 2011, 06:25:51 pm
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#14  May 19, 2011, 08:15:57 pm
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Very awesome Shin Gouki!

+ many SF4 2D sprite edits and sounds!
+ SGS SF4 text
+ strong dragonpunch SF4 black ink effect
- 2-in-1 combos are kind of hard to pull off
- debug error msg when Gouki kick-throws P2: 

Keep it up!   :D

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#15  May 20, 2011, 02:59:30 am
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Werewood said, May 19, 2011, 08:15:57 pm
Very awesome Shin Gouki!

+ many SF4 2D sprite edits and sounds!
+ SGS SF4 text
+ strong dragonpunch SF4 black ink effect
- 2-in-1 combos are kind of hard to pull off
- debug error msg when Gouki kick-throws P2: 

Keep it up!   :D

woow thanks for the faqs, and i'm working on that debug to fix it.
The debug was on Player's Shin Gouki or CPU's Shin Gouki?

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#16  May 20, 2011, 05:47:17 am
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Looks like the throw is forcing KFM into a state he doesn't have.

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#17  May 20, 2011, 06:02:10 am
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The debugger on the screenshot says that the state is there, though maybe there's another. Also maybe the anim's sprites are not to well aligned, though that doesn't cause debug flood anyway.

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#18  May 20, 2011, 06:10:19 am
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Guys, Invalid Action != Invalid State


[Statedef 892]

[State 892, 2]
type = ChangeAnim2
trigger1 = time = 0
value = 891

Either get rid of this or make the anim, because it doesn't even exist [ hence the error ]


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#19  May 20, 2011, 06:17:23 am
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Welp looks like I fucked up.

but it also looks like I have an echo with no idea what it's talking about.

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#20  May 20, 2011, 07:25:51 am
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When I tried out Sagat, I noticed his Tiger uppercut is hard to do. You should fix that.

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#21  May 20, 2011, 07:57:11 am
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At this point calling these chars SF2 in any way is pretty wrong as they have none of the gameplay plus some rather questionable "sprite edits".

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#22  May 20, 2011, 04:50:05 pm
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2OS said, May 20, 2011, 06:10:19 am
Guys, Invalid Action != Invalid State


[Statedef 892]

[State 892, 2]
type = ChangeAnim2
trigger1 = time = 0
value = 891

woow thanks, will be more easy for me to fix it :D

hurricane2s said, May 20, 2011, 07:25:51 am
When I tried out Sagat, I noticed his Tiger uppercut is hard to do. You should fix that.

Working on that, is not a problem ;)

Orochi Gill said, May 20, 2011, 07:57:11 am
At this point calling these chars SF2 in any way is pretty wrong as they have none of the gameplay plus some rather questionable "sprite edits".

Well, it's Mugen, and in the Mugen Universe exist a lot of edited chars styles, like Don Drago styles or p.o.t.s. styles, my style, nobody made this work with SF2 chars before except for the guy who made SF2 Sheng Long or zolagun & shacti (Ken Z creators) ;)

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#23  May 20, 2011, 06:16:37 pm
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Nice characters...but they are not SF2, except for the base sprites.
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#24  May 21, 2011, 12:01:00 am
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Cool! I can't wait to test them out vs Evil Ken and Evil Ryu.
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#25  May 21, 2011, 07:02:55 am
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You should call them "GNR Ryu/Ken/whatever", that way more people will realize that they are custom style and also are your versions. People recognize the char's author more when they do this.
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#26  May 25, 2011, 04:09:56 pm
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Thanks for the update GNR.

I think his labeling is fine. If I see "EvilKenSF2", it tells me that this creation will have SF2 sprites. If he used Alpha or CVS sprites, then I'm sure the char name would reflect that (EvilKenSFA or EvilKenCVS, respectively). The fact that there's actual respriting and not just a palette swap should be considered a bonus.
The title also makes it obvious that, since there was no Evil Ken in any SF2, that the gameplay is necessarily made up. His label basically says, "If Evil Ken had been in SF2, this is how I think he should have looked and played like".
Last Edit: May 25, 2011, 09:04:12 pm by atomicbuster

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#27  May 25, 2011, 07:41:20 pm
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There is a difference between making up gameplay and keeping similar comboability, vels, damage values, etc. and going for an altogether different feel. I don't think sprites are the only thing that make a char 'SF2'. Then again, I don't the think the chars are better or worse because of it. Just not 'SF2 styled'.

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#28  May 25, 2011, 09:33:29 pm
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These chars have:
SF2 character sprites + Frankensprites
Hitsparks, FX and sounds from various sources
Moves beyond SF2 (i.e. Ryu's Shin Shoryuken, EX moves)
Juggling, combos and cheapness
Meter charging, parrying and air guard

So how should it be labeled? What is the dominating feature?
IMO it's the character sprites. Here's my reason. Ryu stayed virtually the same from World Warrior to Super Turbo. He learned a few new moves, sparks and sounds changed, move properties were altered, but his character sprites didn't change. What if Capcom had not switched to Alpha sprites? SF2 Ryu would have had air guard and chain combos in SFA. SF2 Ryu would have learned custom combos in SFA2. SF2 Ryu would have had to learn to guard push, super jump and shoot a beam super in the Vs series. When I see these chars, I think, These are SF2 chars, it's just that their gameplay and FX have evolved.

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#29  May 25, 2011, 09:40:51 pm
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But that's your criteria. For me, gameplay defines what kind of character it is. Not graphics. I'm not saying it's good or bad, I just disagree. Both criteria are absolutely arbitrary, of course.

Personally, I'd go for something like 'Retro Custom Enhanced Gameplay'. It sounds waaaay cooler than 'SF2' and doesn't leave any room for misinterpretation. :)

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#30  May 25, 2011, 11:07:53 pm
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atomicbuster said, May 25, 2011, 09:33:29 pm
So how should it be labeled? What is the dominating feature?

it is gameplay, it is ALWAYS gameplay. There's a reason why we have CVSJill who uses MVC sprites, R.E. voice samples and plays LIKE a CVS character.

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#31  May 26, 2011, 06:48:49 am
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Jill, Ruby Heart, Hayato, etc. only have one set of sprites, so you can say, for example, "RubyHeartKOF" and know exactly what sprites you'll get. You can't do that with, say, Sagat. "SagatCVS" only hints that something about the char is CVS-related. What if I made a Sagat that plays exactly like CVS, but I used his SF2 sprites, effects and sounds???

It is ALWAYS gameplay, to YOU. It is always character sprites, to me.

GNR, based on very quick testing:
-When I have the cpu fight itself, Sagat makes a weird noise when dashing forward.
-I think there might be a little misalignment with Ryu/Evil Ryu's throws.
-Evil Ken's P throw has no discernable impact and his K throw seems to put the opp. in air recovery.
-Evil Ken's AI is very repetitive.
-The sphere that appears around the chars as they charge looks kinda bad where it's positioned now, like it goes through the floor. It might need to be positioned higher with some effects where the ball touches the floor.
-The forward/back dashes could move the chars a bit more.

more later...
Last Edit: May 26, 2011, 07:00:58 am by atomicbuster

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#32  May 26, 2011, 06:51:07 am
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#33  May 26, 2011, 06:55:00 am
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Does it really matter which one is more popular?

I think Rednavi's initial post was right:
Rednavi said, May 21, 2011, 07:02:55 am
You should call them "GNR Ryu/Ken/whatever", that way more people will realize that they are custom style and also are your versions. People recognize the char's author more when they do this.

It makes a ton more sense, and is much less misleading. Period. :P

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#34  May 26, 2011, 06:56:05 am
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