Has anyone out there ever noticed that newer cartoons are stinking more and more and seem to be abandoning the idea of a story with a good character? I really wish Hey Arnold would have gotten a more definitive ending and that Danny Phantom hadn't cut out so early with such a typical ending.What about you though?
yea I can agree with that it feels like most cartoons as lacking substance or at least a main motivation for the main char....... It just feels like most cartoons now day arent even worth the time to watch them anymore.... (there is always anime)
All animation is going downhill, this also includes Anime. The Target audience are really hard to impress these days. and when you see something creative come out, people backlash against it. Take Afro Samurai for example, It's was very popular due to it's fluid animation, great voice acting, and brilliant music, but Anime fans backlashed due to it being mainstream. You could someone Fantasia today, and they would complain, which is stupid, since Fantasia is probably the best animated feature to ever come from the Animation Industry. Another example is "The Girl Who Leapt Through Time" which is a beautiful film, failed, and didn't attract anyone. Even though it won tons of award, in which it deserved, nobody seemed to care.P.S. Yes, I put The Girl Who Leapt Through Time in the same section as Fantasia.
Cadia said, April 10, 2009, 07:08:58 pmAll animation is going downhill, I disagree in general, it's just that most people are comparing the regular stuff to the few best pieces of the past.
Nah, people are just wankers. If it's popular then "oh noes it's bad" even if it IS a good toon.However if something royally sucks and has no plot or point but is popular, it's fine. Fuck you spongebob!Cartoons are best when they have a running overplot, and each episode is a plot on it's own. That is no longer done in western cartoons. Short of the very occasional WB releases. Generally nicktoons are just snot and vomit gags and CN is going somewhat the same way these days (billy and mandy for eg)Basically, western society believes the cream of animation and story to be terrence and philip.Eastern cartoons (or anime if you want to be pedantic) are accepted based on how obscure they are. If they're mainstream they're not allowed to be good. Pokemon, yugioh, DBZ, naruto etc etc.
Cyanide said, April 11, 2009, 12:04:02 amCartoons are best when they have a running overplot, and each episode is a plot on it's own. That is no longer done in western cartoons.That's one of the things I like about the Teddy Ruxpin cartoon. There was an actual plot that ran from the first episode to the last.
felineki said, April 11, 2009, 12:15:03 amCyanide said, April 11, 2009, 12:04:02 amCartoons are best when they have a running overplot, and each episode is a plot on it's own. That is no longer done in western cartoons.That's one of the things I like about the Teddy Ruxpin cartoon. There was an actual plot that ran from the first episode to the last.Teddy Ruxpin was a damned good show. Shame i can't remember as much of it as i would like to.
Cyanide said, April 11, 2009, 12:04:02 amEastern cartoons (or anime if you want to be pedantic) are accepted based on how obscure they are. If they're mainstream they're not allowed to be good. Pokemon, yugioh, DBZ, naruto etc etc.Well, this may be a shock to fans, but the Mainstream shows like Naruto and Pokemon, are the ones that make the most money for the companies. It makes more money, than stuff that only gets a DVD release overseas. Japanese Animation is just like every other Animated feature, if nobody knows about it, it won't sell. Companies know that fans of their products will purchese what they do, but they want to borden their audience, to everyone, instead of a selected few. Budget also comes into play. Naruto makes alot of money, due to DVD sales, Manga sales, and Merch sales. This adds money to the budget, so they can continue the show. I don't know why I'm talking about budget, since most fans don't care about the budget side of things.
Cyanide said, April 11, 2009, 12:30:19 amTeddy Ruxpin was a damned good show. Shame i can't remember as much of it as i would like to.It came out on DVD recently, I got it for Christmas. That was actually the second attempt at releasing it on DVD, the first happened a few years ago. The company that attempted the first release seemed to want it to stretch out over as many volumes as possible, only putting about 5 episodes on each. But then they gave up after the first three or so. Anyway, another company got hold of it and released the whole series pretty quickly on 3 2-disk volumes, as well as a whole-series box set that I think just came out a few months ago.
I'm still waiting for the 3rd volume of gargoyles to come out. I have season 1, and half of season 2, the 2nd half of season 2 has not been officially released.
Cyanide said, April 11, 2009, 12:04:02 amwestern society believes the cream of animation and story to be terrence and philip.*pauses Tom & JerryThe fuck? Explain this one.
I say it's a cultural thing. Cartoons here (American) are more episodic. They have generally been episodic. Anime usually have story arcs. I can't think of many anime that had an episodic nature. I can say the reverse for American cartoons. No real point in complaining about it. I might as well bitch about Color and Colour. And, personally, I find Bleach rather boring. Had some funny parts, but the episodes I saw were rather boring. They should use the budget to make better episodes than more of it. And it's unfortunate, too. My youngest sister won't even watch anime if it's less than 30 episodes because it's "Too Short".
Animation doesn't need story arcs. TV shows like House or Red Dwarf don't have Story Arcs. What I'm trying to say is, nobody cares about Story Arcs. as you said, there is no point in complaing about it.Also, Look around more, most Animes don't contain Story Arcs.
#Shaun said, April 11, 2009, 03:52:12 amCyanide said, April 11, 2009, 12:04:02 amwestern society believes the cream of animation and story to be terrence and philip.*pauses Tom & JerryThe fuck? Explain this one.Sarcasm. Based on the fact that so much shit comes out now that's all about bodily functions and how humourous they are. Cept, they're not really that funny. A fart is funny based on certain situations. It's not funny when used as a gag on it's own. I mean, we have a cartoon on TV right now that contains a purple cat who's whole gimmick is to vomit. Funny? No not really.Western cartoons are episodic. But they generally rely on a decent background story and stick to it. Living in a pineapple under the sea is NOT a decent background story.
What American cartoons are you watching? I mean, I know not every show as of current isn't top-of-the-line but it can't be any worse than shit in the same vein as Ah! My Goddess or something. Hell, I'd rather watch those 'TP' cartoons rather than the E/I-suited cartoons that are aimed at kids 6 and under (if you don't have cable it's the only thing made available, outside of mediocre anime).Meh, who am I kidding? Only American cartoons I watch are reruns anyway. Would love to check out some Recess right about now..
#Shaun said, April 12, 2009, 05:17:49 pm Would love to check out some Recess right about now..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThKFq56mzB0&feature=channel_pageAnyway, most of the anime I've see had some sort of overlying story, even if it's just to "be the best". Granted, I don't exactly watch Anime religiously. But I will say that Anime has a bit more variety in age groups than NA Cartoons. That being said, The whole Batman>Superman>Justice League>JLU series was excellent.
Anime wise, it keeps on getting better overall, about cartoon, I would not know, since I don't really watch them , the demographics are fairly different as well, since cartoons are either aimed at kids or in some cases for all family while anime has got a much wider audience as far as age groups go.
Cartoons along that lineSpongebob Squarepants, Billy and Mandy, Camp Lazlo, my gym partners a monkey. You know, there's probably more but i no longer get CN.Seems if it's NOT warner bros, it's about snot and burps. This is fucking stupid.
