It isn't like the motivations behind each character have to be some epic masterpiece of narrative. Street Fighter never really prided itself on originality; most of the cast are either expies of real people, characters from movies or comics, or some other kind of stereotype.As far as Joe being another rival to Ryu, though, it's getting to the point where there's a line; there are already two (Ken makes three?) characters from SF1 alone that designate themselves as Ryu's rival. If it came down to it I'd rather it be someone else. Hell, why not make it Ken?
Streetwise is about Kyle Travers, Cody's younger brother. Cody is out of the story (aside from the part where he becomes hooked on the Big Bad Drug of the story that jacks him up into a vaguely Tyrant-inspired monster), and Kyle goes through the game getting into fights, goes into some fight clubs, and at some point one of your opponents is this guy called Ghost who looks exactly like Joe. That's literally everything we see of him, no interaction whatsoever beside that fight, not one line of dialog. He just happens to live in the same city. Probably.Yeah, I just named Ryu because I don't see too many characters being the kind to randomly walk into a fight club, that's exactly Ryu so I thought of him. It doesn't have to be a big rivalry, they don't even have to know each other's name - much like how it goes in Streetwise. It could be his story of either getting defeated again and giving up fight clubs, or finally beating that guy who beat him all those years ago, and finally making it big. Or something. If not Ryu, who else can be involved in fight clubs and come across Joe to wrap up his story (quickly, in a non convoluted way) ? Aside from a potential joke ending of gathering all the hardasses of Metro City (so Cody, Guy etc.), this can still be done too (in spite of what I said earlier). Anything else would have to be a bit random and completely not personal, like, the fight club getting busted by the cops, or some turf war over money, or Joe walking into a bar and getting into a fight with the bouncer who happens to be Eagle, or why not Shadaloo thinking that a fight club is a nice place to recruit some muscle, etc. This is the kind of stuff I can see ending with unexpected character development, rather than trying to come up with something cool for this character and then trying to make the story fit that. Just take the Streetwise fight club and see where that goes.
It could even be something as random as Abel having Fei Long as a rival in SF4 if you wanted to keep it short, you could have...pretty much anyone really, but if you were going for the bigger name Ryu/Ken as a rival at least it would be something as simple as Joe recognizing them from hearing about them so many times, and he just wants to take down the big dog for recognition cause he knows it would make people take notice. This would ignore a lot of the narrative I talked of before, and could still keep it short and simple. I guess this would be kinda like Alex's reason, except rather than focused on the challenge and eventually overcoming it as well as the overall joy of the fight, Joe could be pretty much in it just for a more narcissistic purpose.
Yeah, that works, and it stays in line with what little we have of him from SF1 (which is pretty much nothing but his portrait artwork)(I did feel like the SF4 newcomers all had a forced connection to existing characters, like Hakan and Honda, Fuerte and Zangief, Viper and Chun-Li... But it's okay if it's fun)
C-G-U said, April 26, 2014, 12:22:24 amI don't think I've ever heard the expression, "giving up the ghost" myself I don't know if it's a fairly common thing, when I looked it up it made sense though. Why not something simple like "dream crusher" or again..it could be that I've just not come across this expression myself and it may be more common than I think. Story wise, I think it would have been interesting to build on him, by maybe combining those thoughts with the idea of him being the former US champion until losing to Ken. I don't know if this would be too much like Rufus however, but it was just a thought.its kindof common.Usualy being "give up the ghost".Give up the ghost has several meanings, to give up on a dream, to give up on something that took too much effort, to die. Its used at lenght here, because the "Ghost" is his fighting dreams. Its both literal and a metaphor.Im with Snt here, sf stories are not that complex, you dont need to bring them all up into this as being with shadowloo or against it.QuoteI dunno, I just don't see a reason to tie him to Cody apart from how Cody stole his Crack Kick. And if that goes, then Joe going to prison also becomes uninteresting, it's too random. It's like specifying that Mike or Boxer or anyone else from Shadaloo went to prison, it's just there to have something to say about them, and at this point it just feels like random fanfiction #37682. Sticking to the basics is fine too. Joe possibly doing prison time is a very minor detail if all he needs is "guy who gave up fighting but can't quit fight clubs". Compare to everyone else in the cast, they don't have, and don't need, that kind of detail. Someone like Gen only gets details because he keeps meeting Gouki, someone like Adon just need an excuse to have Sagat as his rival in SFZ3 etc. Dan and Blanka knowing each other was a big joke that evolved into a piece of cool backstory, rather than the other way around (trying to force some backstory then making it relevant)Joe knowing Cody from prison would only be relevant if there's some piece of story mode with rival battles and Joe's is meeting Cody and ending up teaming up with him to clean up Mad Gear or something. Without that, then it just feels irrelevant. And if he does get any sort of rival battle, I'd see it more as a fight club meeting with someone, and that someone just has to be wandering wonderboy Ryu, it's a lot more "in context" than randomly knowing this guy and that guy and that other dudeAgreed.I would give him a winquote against cody.This one:"Maybe you're my schizophrenic hallucination.I was here first."But just because its a fight club reference and seems well placed.
There can't be rival battles anyway if the game reaches the heights we are hoping. Because we can't specify a rival to be sure and be able to fight Joe. Unless you have to go through EVERY character in the game. I mean I guess there could be rival battles but it'd be random chance to fight your rival and not guaranteed. unless your rival is a boss.
I think even if it was incorporated as a random even from the chance encounter, it could be a neat mechanic. It could be you go through a few playthroughs and never come across it but when you do, it's like a random little treat, and keeping them short and sweet wouldn't feel odd imo if that's the case.
That sounds like you're describing an interactive intro/winpose/win dialogue which will be in the game
Ok, well perhaps just a tad more focus on each characters' rival specifically when it comes to writing those would be nice, as I don't know if you could apply some sort of indicator as part of the intro...it may be too much really, but as a random opponent with the "fight your rival" sort of thing happening might be a nice and...always unexpected touch.
It's possible to do a cut scene before a fight if you happen to run into a "rival". We'll just have to see when we get enough characters for something like that. And how many people are still contributing.
【ＭＦＧ】Iced said, April 26, 2014, 04:58:34 amI would give him a winquote against cody.This one:"Maybe you're my schizophrenic hallucination.I was here first."But just because its a fight club reference and seems well placed.That sounds perfect.
That would be amazing to have this "Dialouge" type of think. I always loved it. It brings personality to each character, and I know this sounds crazy. But I think every character should have a Dialouge with each other. As I said, could bring more personality to each character. And I've always found it fun. I used to actually write some down on my spare time.
Something like that would be a piece of cake. When we get to that point we'd just open up a thread dedicated to collecting win quotes and quotes towards specific characters as well.
The roster is decided on how well this takes off after Ryu is released. There is no set cast. We keep making characters from SF until the project dies or everyone is made. The only thing decided cast wise is which characters come next. Once Ryu is finished the next 3 characters have been chosen. Eagle, Birdie, and ChunLi. Joe gets a priority once he has sprites available. Once those 3 are nearing completion we can start discussing the next batch to be made. And so on and so on.
But like, the game sets on SF as main, but it's Spin-Off Final Fight has had a fair share of characters ending up in both.Does this seem like a favour for other FF Characters too? Haggar, General Black, Damnd, Carlos??? (Random names from FF that yet has not come over)
We're following an order. First, SF1 characters who have their sprites done(aside Chun Li), then SFZ, SF2(well...this would just be like adding DR Cammy in, if done), etc etc.
DKDC said, April 30, 2014, 02:10:35 pmHaggar has sprites but the others don't, so...Maybe its possible to resize these. It's limited but I think it's enough to create his basics and perhaps some imaginative special/super mover.Damn'd and Carlos might be a little harder.
