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"Church not against Galileo because of his research" says Physicist
#1  April 21, 2011, 04:06:48 am
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http://jameshannam.com/articles.htm

James Hannam, Oxford grad, and physicist gave an interview to a radio host this afternoon, and presented many arguments against the common belief that the Catholic Church had stifled scientific discovery during what was considered the "Dark" ages. His arguments were compelling, as soon as they are available on the net I'll post them, I've provided a link to his website and he's got some kickass articles on this issue.

What say you on this issue?
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#2  April 21, 2011, 04:21:09 am
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http://www.zimbio.com/The+Roman+Catholic+Church/articles/432/Message+Galileo+Forgiven


oh sure, that whole bit of his life where he was classified as an heretic and held on house arrest for going against papal orders are like, DETAILS compared to the fact that they allowed him to keep working.


Yay, scientific support, but you are getting arrested in your house until you die and only forgiven 400 years later.
Darwin was a religious supported scientist as well, and look how that ended. At least he only had to wait 150 years before they said that he was not a monster after all.


 derp derp.



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#3  April 21, 2011, 04:42:15 am
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This is all after-the-fact justification, really.  Back in those days, (and really for an incredibly long time afterward) the church did everything in its power to demonize and silence anybody who posited an answer to something that was more complex than 'because god did it.'
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#4  April 21, 2011, 04:45:14 am
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I completely forgot to add that the reason they did that (according to James Hannam and his colleagues) was mainly because in the book it seemed like Galileo was attacking the Pope. My bad on clarification. :P

So, if he hadn't attacked the Pope it was likely that his book would have been fine aside from some issues with the content and the Church would've asked him to edit or something and he would not have suffered at all, it wasn't even papal orders, entirely. The pope at the time was a friend of Galileo so it wouldn't have been hard for him to get him an easy ride had Galileo not alienated the Pope in that way.
This is all after-the-fact justification, really.  Back in those days, (and really for an incredibly long time afterward) the church did everything in its power to demonize and silence anybody who posited an answer to something that was more complex than 'because god did it.'

http://jameshannam.com/medievalscience.htm
compelling evidence against that common belief!
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#5  April 21, 2011, 05:10:30 am
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this shows evolution in our way of thought over few centuries.
But that is also has to do with power, and most european countries were kingdom back then, people can't have free thought or freedom to express their opinions 
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#6  April 21, 2011, 05:28:50 am
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http://jameshannam.com/medievalscience.htm
compelling evidence against that common belief!


control the means of production of thought that might clash with the one you are imposing on others and you can have a say in what is supported or not.

If you are in charge of a tv news agency, you want to be sure that the news piece "Tv causes cancer" doesnt get through to the viewers.
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#7  April 21, 2011, 07:29:20 am
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Natural philosophy, as taught in the Arts Faculties of the universities, was seen as an essential area of study in its own right and for moving onto higher subjects. It was an independent field, separated from theology, which enjoyed a good deal of intellectual freedom as long as it was restricted to the natural world. Although there would be action if natural philosophers stepped outside these limits, the Church’s disciplinary procedures were mainly aimed at theologians who were involved in a much more dangerous area. In general, there was religious support for natural science by the late Middle Ages and a recognition that it was an important element of learning. The extent to which medieval science led directly to the new philosophy of the scientific revolution remains a subject for debate, but it certainly had a significant influence.
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#8  April 21, 2011, 10:52:31 am
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"the Church’s disciplinary procedures were mainly aimed at theologians who were involved in a much more dangerous area"

He needs to state what the church was worried about them stepping into. I want to know where he's going with this.
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#9  April 21, 2011, 03:50:56 pm
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Ofcourse it was a dangerous area, if they started getting cocky the church killed them and accused them of heresy.