tl:dr
What was the original reason for this discussion?
Perfect timing for a summary and putting all the cards back into play.
So, I pointed out that hjk was not explaining himself properly as usual, except I did so with all the tact you can see I have (I swear I can be very tactful when the situation deserves tact). He flipped out, because he didn't like the insult. Which would have been fair enough...
... If he hadn't reacted the way he did, to later bring up an old misunderstanding from two older cases. Namely...
Spoiler: Not related to the very origin of this discussion (click to see content)
... From back when an unauthorized AI patch was leaked and he imagined I accused him. Case being that back then, I said something along the line of "if someone codes an AI without the consent of the author, the author doesn't want it to be distributed, and the patch actually gets distributed, then it's bad". Back then, hjk figured we were saying he ignored the author's decision and voluntarily made the leak (I don't know why since it was afterward pointed out that he wasn't the guy who made the AI patch), and he decided that my post about "the AI coder" being responsible for the leak was meant as an insult to him. Howso, I don't know, since I only spoke about responsibility, and at that point I specifically avoided naming him.
Until he came with a detailed reasoning proving that "the AI coder" could only mean we were speaking about him (even though it turned out in the end that it wasn't him, he only felt like we were accusing him of doing it)
He "tricked" me into "admiting" that this reasoning was true and the "AI coder" I spoke about could only have meant him, and since then he feels that was an insult to him. Even though it turned out it wasn't him, and the identity of the coder wasn't even relevant to anything I had said.
... Followed by another case where I asked for another AI patch for a Kim I created not to be released. He first made a video, I said don't release, he agreed, sometime later the patch still came out because of some other guy.
In this case, he thought I accused him of making said patch, which... is a retarded reason to hold a grudge against me since it never played any role in it (the only thing I ever said was that I didn't want the patch to be released, and the identity of its coder was completely irrelevant) ; we all came to an agreement that the patch would be removed and that he simply had a "communication failure" with some other guy whose identity really doesn't matter.
Said two problems happened something between 5 and 2 years ago, with something like 2 years inbetween. Did you just think it was stupid to come back with something so old ? Yes, I agree.
For some reason, he doesn't want to accept that it was a misunderstanding, since we all agreed in the end, that he wasn't the coder for either patch, and that his only problem was his difficulty in explaining himself. These are things we agreed on, and this is a state where we should both be fine with each other.
This discussion here started because he didn't like me calling him a jackass, basically. He also claims I didn't read his explanation, even though my initial post (about him posting like a jackass and not explaining himself properly) was still true, as he later recognized when Cyanide said the same thing (just without the insults).
If I struggled to the end of my determination, to the end of my way of life with my followers, if the result is ruin, then this ruin is inevitable. Grieve. Shed tears. But you cannot regret.
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May 16, 2008, 10:00:19 pm by Baiken
