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#41  November 28, 2014, 04:02:44 pm
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Neocide said, November 28, 2014, 06:05:45 am
there is nothing wrong with guns, like the saying goes, guns don't kill people, people kill people. Although I don't see a reason to go to a coffee shop with your gun, that's just silly. Again it's not the gun's fault, just the dumb ass with it.

Well, there seems to be too many dumbasses lately.

Pretty safe to say where I stand on this. Guns are not anything to be taken lightly despite US pop media implying otherwise, and sometimes people underestimate just how powerful firearms actually are until they (or someone they know) gets into a situation that involves using one. I don't think they should be in the hands of average civilians or even officers for that matter. I mean it's not like some people become cops just for the perks, like the day they can use their gun against a "rebel," whether it's by intimidation or actual usage. They may be "qualified" to own one, but that doesn't mean that they have the mental fortitude to use one responsibly (recent examples being proof of irresponsible gun use). More reasonably, there should certainly be harsher regulations so that firearms aren't an absolute necessity for officers to protect themselves.

I'd like to think that as politicians of an affluent nation that the government would know better, so much for that.
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#42  November 28, 2014, 04:10:42 pm
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Good point, but just a reminder that we used to be beaten, lynched from trees, and set on fire. The issue isn't the gun itself, it's the fact that killing innocent black civilians is apparently considered okay by the government as long as you have a badge.

Now would cops be setting people on fire if we took away guns? Probably not, but oh they would beat us. To death, I'm sure. The root of the problem is the inherent racism that plagues the States (and the world, for tht matter). I think gun rights are a relative non-issue in comparison altogeter.

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#43  November 28, 2014, 05:20:01 pm
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kakkoii superhero said, November 28, 2014, 05:42:43 am
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Hey, remember when it was sensible to go "oh that's nothing, we have always had it worse in our country, your new problems are very small in comparison" ? Yeah, me neither, because it never was.
There's no reason to compare USA to other countries, be it Brazil or Africa or whatever. The point is that it's not supposed to happen there. Of course there are countries where violence is a more day-to-day thing, with drug cartels or tyrannical police force or whatever. But the thing is that when it's not supposed to be the case in a certain country, the fact that it's slowly turning into it is a very bad thing.
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Last Edit: November 28, 2014, 05:23:35 pm by DKDC

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#44  November 28, 2014, 05:25:30 pm
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DKDC said, November 28, 2014, 09:28:23 am
kakkoii superhero said, November 28, 2014, 05:42:43 am
well don't generalized that rule when you visit other countries... in many countries, you'll be shot by the police when you run away, by the point they can't catch up to your speed, they'll reach their gun for sure.
Sorry, we're talking about a civilized country here. In a civilized country, cops aren't supposed to use lethal force unless someone's life is directly threatened.
well he is dead, happened in civilized country, no?
if you're in his position, do you want to test how great the quality of local law enforcement, to prove your point of how civilized your country is, betting on your life by running away from them while carrying a toy sword, or a toygun?

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#45  November 28, 2014, 05:30:42 pm
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Why everyone is mad because this kid was BLACK.
If he was WHITE, RED OR YELLOW OR PINK, with the exact same behaviour, you don't think the cop would have open the fire on him?!?

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#46  November 28, 2014, 05:31:36 pm
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#47  November 28, 2014, 05:34:47 pm
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Hephaistos31 said, November 28, 2014, 05:30:42 pm
Why everyone is mad because this kid was BLACK.
If he was WHITE with the exact same behaviour, you don't think the cop would have open the fire on him?!?


If they shot a white kid running from them scared with six shots in the back that didnt pose any threat to anyone they would still be murderers.

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#48  November 28, 2014, 05:36:03 pm
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Ok. So basically the point is about guns that are allowed or not, right?

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#49  November 28, 2014, 05:37:37 pm
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... you probably should read the article before trying to capitalize random words and act like you have a point.
The point is that they are shooting people in order to stop them. And most of the time they do that to black people, having become the second cause for shooting death in Utah.

The point is also that they killed this black dude , claimed he was being a threat to them and turns out all the shots are on his back  and he was far away from them running scared at the time.

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#50  November 28, 2014, 05:43:14 pm
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Iced said, November 28, 2014, 09:55:20 am

kakkoii superhero said, November 28, 2014, 05:42:43 am
cosplaying Samurai Champloo, is Not dress up as samurai...
well don't generalized that rule when you visit other countries... in many countries, you'll be shot by the police when you run away, by the point they can't catch up to your speed, they'll reach their gun for sure.
since they are not well trained in shooting either, probably the bullet would hit your back instead of your leg, taking more shots than necessary because they are not confident with their aim, so you end up dead .

feel free to disagree, but when your life in the line, it is worthy to prove a point?

Indonesia is kind of an extreme case, dude.

You cant really compare the civilian freedom there it to other countries.
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Their political reality grants the cops and government permission to do almost anything:
ie:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Act_of_Killing

This all happened in Utah, America, where like other first world countries the police arent allowed to kill just because they want to stop you.

The Act of Killing (Indonesian: Jagal, meaning "Butcher") is a 2012 documentary film about the Indonesian killings of 1965–66
dude what the hell, it was from another era, it's the time when the world was allergic to communism, and by us doing so, America gave us a thumbs up as fellow anti communist.

we don't do killing anymore since then, but still running away from cop is a big no, not dropping whatever you have in your hand when ordered by cop is another no, so running away with your stuff from cops will get you shot, they will try to hit you on your leg, but they might miss, especially since suicide bombers might do the same thing you do running away with something on their hand.

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#51  November 28, 2014, 05:46:33 pm
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#52  November 28, 2014, 05:53:02 pm
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kakkoii superhero said, November 28, 2014, 05:43:14 pm
Iced said, November 28, 2014, 09:55:20 am


Indonesia is kind of an extreme case, dude.

You cant really compare the civilian freedom there it to other countries.
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Their political reality grants the cops and government permission to do almost anything:
ie:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Act_of_Killing

This all happened in Utah, America, where like other first world countries the police arent allowed to kill just because they want to stop you.

The Act of Killing (Indonesian: Jagal, meaning "Butcher") is a 2012 documentary film about the Indonesian killings of 1965–66
dude what the hell, it was from another era, it's the time when the world was allergic to communism, and by us doing so, America gave us a thumbs up as fellow anti communist.

we don't do killing anymore since then, but still running away from cop is a big no, not dropping whatever you have in your hand when ordered by cop is another no, so running away with your stuff from cops will get you shot, they will try to hit you on your leg, but they might miss, especially since suicide bombers might do the same thing you do running away with something on their hand.

In the documentary from 2012 they still brag about killing whoever they want in modern day and go on about how that is how the indonesian government works, showing themselves as heroes of the people( it gets fucking surreal when they start reenacting the killings for the camera ) . Which you reflect when you talk about how the cops can shoot you down if you run away. 
See in most countries the idea of shooting someone down only happens when they are a threat to someone else, not when the cops are just persecuting you, they use other weapons if possible on those and tackle them.
If they could just blow you away there wouldnt be so many cop chases. No one is discovering those things then, thats something they know.. Cops arent supposed to kill you.
Last Edit: November 28, 2014, 05:59:46 pm by Iced

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#53  November 28, 2014, 06:03:15 pm
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this just makes me wonder how common is the "ley fuga" , "runaway law" which basically states that if you scape form the police/army they can shoot you dead; mexico wise, the police can't apply it, but the army can, so if there is a checkpoint with soldiers and you don't stop they have the legal right to shoot you dead.

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#54  November 28, 2014, 06:05:27 pm
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doesn't happen in reality Iced, we don't live in martial law, cops won't try to kill people that run away from them, they will try to stop them from running, but when both parties are running and the cops are chasing while shooting, there is a chance you're being shot on the back when they try to aim for your legs or your butt.
in what condition cop would pull out their gun, it might be different from case to case, but I think, if our policemen meet somebody who carry a knife or a sword, and they run away with it after being ordered to stop and put their knife down, I bet they will reach for their gun at some point during the chase, they will shoot to the air once, and then the next shot would be pointed to the suspect, when the suspect wears earplugs... then...

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#55  November 28, 2014, 08:11:09 pm
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The thing thats bad here in the US is more so if you are of a certain race at the "wrong place, wrong time" and wrong cops and you have your hands up and clearly not armed you could be shot down anyway. A black Or Latino man being pulled over by the cops because of a simple tail light out could be his last day living. You go to get your license and you could be shot and killed "on accident" anyway because they "thought" you were reaching for a gun. This is the growing BS happening with cops. This is the kind of crap that happens here in the US thats twisted and people are fed up with it. These cops are not being punished enough or at all now as any civilian would for killing one of them "because they felt threatened" or just assumed wrong on a cops actions. Its out of control now


But anyway yeah just like this recent case here below.....I'm curious to see what justifies being shot at with his baby daughter because the cop thought he had a weapon. He wasn't running and whats worse he had his child in the car. Most of these cops now are being reckless and have less of a conscious on the decisions they make because they know much isn't going to happen to them if they screw up badly killing someone especially if they are black. Its just a shitty reality that will be here to stay in the US for a long time until something changes with our justice system vs the police

http://thegrio.com/2014/11/26/man-shot-police-daughter/

Last Edit: November 28, 2014, 08:18:41 pm by Legendary DeMoNk@I

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#56  November 28, 2014, 08:34:50 pm
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DKDC said, November 28, 2014, 05:20:01 pm
Hey, remember when it was sensible to go "oh that's nothing, we have always had it worse in our country, your new problems are very small in comparison" ? Yeah, me neither, because it never was.
There's no reason to compare USA to other countries, be it Brazil or Africa or whatever. The point is that it's not supposed to happen there. Of course there are countries where violence is a more day-to-day thing, with drug cartels or tyrannical police force or whatever. But the thing is that when it's not supposed to be the case in a certain country, the fact that it's slowly turning into it is a very bad thing.
But I never said something like "oh that's nothing, we have always had it worse in our country, your new problems are very small in comparison". I was explaining how things are in my country, just that. Don't connect dots that should not be connected. I would never use that statement, because it would be the Falacy of the Less Important (or something like that, in english).

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#57  November 28, 2014, 09:20:08 pm
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Hum, Thanks for your answer, Iced.

Indeed, I've not read the document, because I've seen stuff at TV (The video of the policeman) speaking about the incident.
So I think my point of view of the situation was... Incredibly outdated.

I've spoken too fast, because I was thinking that the discussion was turning about some "racial" stuff for no reason (because in my mind it was legitimate defense), but I was not aware that indeed the "racial" stuff was the reality..

So I'll read carefully the document and the thread more carefully. It's my bad.


EDIT: WOW WOW WOW. I'm not EVEN speaking of the same story it seems ah ah omg.
How Idiot I look here.
Last Edit: November 28, 2014, 09:27:53 pm by Hephaistos31

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#58  December 08, 2014, 07:19:48 pm
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#59  December 08, 2014, 08:01:16 pm
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Because the benefits of being an officer appear to include health, dental, and if you by chance end up killing a minority the legal system will have your back.

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I'm also under the impression that people keep neglecting data from the game, do you guys know how PotS made his original characters? He actually studied every single game he referenced, down to the core. Doing this properly requires understanding how the original system was made, not just winging it.

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#60  December 08, 2014, 08:07:19 pm
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I'm going to respond to this imagining everyone as grey blobs because color is not the issue here. First off, this was a chain reaction. Even if the cosplayer had earbuds in, was blasting music, he still had his eyes to notice the cops and the instinct to run from them. I'm not saying he was guilty of anything, but innocent people don't run from the cops. It's common knowledge. You don't even have to be smart to know not to do that. Next situation, he could have just dropped his weapon to show that he wasn't a threat.

Then there's the other side as I'm considering both. The cops shot him because he ran... or was black. I'm not the cops. I don't know what was on their minds at the time. I agree that shooting is not the way to go with a running suspect, but it's possible that had he still been holding the sword that they thought was real, they obviously wouldn't want to get close to it, thus keeping their distance.

In the end, it could have saved his life if he didn't run. Seeing how he did, the cops could have reacted better than shooting him. In other words, there's no point in taking a side here. There's not enough facts to really justify one thing over the other.

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