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SolidZone 26

Creators Quitting M.U.G.E.N for Flash Games

#1 March 10, 2011, 07:01:42 am

Still alive and still kicking...

Since I posted this at IMT, I might as well post it here so I can get other people's opinions:

SolidZone 26 said, March 10, 2011, 05:38:53 am

Just recently, I've been seeing a couple of M.U.G.E.N creators quitting M.U.G.E.N to make flash games. In my personal opinion, I think it's a stupid hobby. I'm not counting movies and animations, just games. In my personal preference, I don't like making something that takes days to make and last only a few minutes to play. If I quit M.U.G.E.N for example, I would've make stuff for Garry's Mod instead. I prefer to make stuff for a game that you can customize because you can change it up however you want it so it has more replay value. I know it's their choice but I think it would be a bad hobby because it will get boring very quickly. If they want to make games, they should make good ones that last hours like N64Mario's Megaman game engine. What do you guys think? I like to know why flash games over other different hobbies.

Davod Sirloin

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#2 March 10, 2011, 07:20:24 am

YOMI

I'M GOING TO DISNEYLAND

-Red-

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#3 March 10, 2011, 07:24:01 am

Complicated.cns
No, I've never played a Zelda game before, shut up

AWWWWW!

But who the fuck wrote that? Damnit it was you

. I think we can select our own hobbies thank you very much. And damn I'm sure with skills you can do awesome stuff on Flash aswell. If someone does a horrible game in flash, chances are this guy will also do horrible stuff for MUGEN so no real loss for me.

To be honest 99.9% of the creators who move from mugen to flash are halfassed mugen creators anyway (Good creators either quit mugen and move to real fullgames and even sell their stuff or just quit mugen and move with their lives as a lawyer or some other boring stuff). I'm not sad at all that they leave MUGEN and decide to do crappy flash because if they'll do crappy stuff, it better be outside of my visual range, I dont check flash stuff at all so I wont have to suffer with their crap (And by "suffer" I mean aknowledge their existance)...

the whole "game has more replayability if it can be customized" is true to a certain extent, if you are working on a fighing fullgame for MUGEN it's never as customizable as your own compilation, you dont see people being able to add Ken on KOFZ, it's the same for flash games. I dont do stuff for the people to modify at will, I do stuff because it's my hobbie, it's my hobbie.

I plan to code my own game with C++ but that doesn't mean I'm leaving MUGEN, you should check if those people quit for good or not (Which again, I dont really care).

EDIT: Just saw this and lol its long as hell

pls

Lith

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#4 March 10, 2011, 07:26:11 am

Mugen not even once
Noone can escape the Mugen drug

Cyanide

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#5 March 10, 2011, 08:06:48 am

Legendary XIII
I am the eye of the storm to come!

Indeed, why would you stop creating for a free engine that mostly makes use of copyrighted material with extremely low scope for any sort of monetary gain for an internationally recognised language that can allow you to make a profit.

In M.U.G.E.N there is no magic button

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#6 March 10, 2011, 09:36:41 am

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Besides, if you mention in your resumé "experienced developer in Mugen", your employer will think of you as a nerd and then fire you. Otherwise, if you mention "experienced developer in Flash", your employer will probably raise your salary

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#7 March 10, 2011, 10:12:06 am

Unity of Hearts

I don't understand why you're complaining, SolidZone. It's their choice, there is nothing you can do about it. Besides, if they create good flash games and release them, then better for us.

WooshaQ

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#8 March 10, 2011, 10:13:47 am

Smart Icoca wannabe!

I find this poll hilarious, it's not like flash games is the new hype everyone of us dreams about.

K.O.D

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#9 March 10, 2011, 10:15:09 am

what a shame

flash games are old. it's now all about the crappy facebook and iphone games fad.

Basara Dandy

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#10 March 10, 2011, 01:55:34 pm

Space Dandy wa uchuu wa Dandy de-aru

Many years before knowing MUGEN (and even later when I knew it), I tried to learn Flash, and it was harder than hell... the funny (and sad) thing it was I studied advertising in university and never learned me about Flash...

The point is, until today I never learned to use Flash... MUGEN was difficult, too, but it was more fun

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#11 March 10, 2011, 04:41:49 pm

Complicated.cns
No, I've never played a Zelda game before, shut up

oh fuck it! I'll port my fullgame to flash, fuck mugen, I'll add ZOMG zoom FX and make it firefor-exclusive

pls

Last Edit: March 10, 2011, 11:36:50 pm by Avatarshifter

Lith

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#12 March 10, 2011, 08:51:16 pm

K.O.D said, March 10, 2011, 10:15:09 am

flash games are old. it's now all about the crappy facebook and iphone games fad.

Yeah pretty much

SolidZone 26

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#13 March 10, 2011, 11:17:22 pm

Still alive and still kicking...

Nanashi_1337 said, March 10, 2011, 10:12:06 am

I don't understand why you're complaining, SolidZone. It's their choice, there is nothing you can do about it. Besides, if they create good flash games and release them, then better for us.

Yes, I agree that it is their choice. But is it a good one? I feel when they first make one, it ends up short and won't have any improvements to make people replay it again.

WooshaQ said, March 10, 2011, 10:13:47 am

I find this poll hilarious, it's not like flash games is the new hype everyone of us dreams about.

I made "Other" as a choice because it would be a pain if I wrote different hobbies especially there may be some I don't even know.

K.O.D said, March 10, 2011, 10:15:09 am

flash games are old. it's now all about the crappy facebook and iphone games fad.

I consider flash games whoever plays are just young kids that just bored with their life. Games that last for hours are always better than games that last for minutes. If a M.U.G.E.N creator wants to make a flash game that's short, at least make it portable.

Nanashi_1337

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#14 March 10, 2011, 11:25:11 pm

Unity of Hearts

SolidZone 26 said, March 10, 2011, 11:17:22 pm

Yes, I agree that it is their choice. But is it a good one? I feel when they first make one, it ends up short and won't have any improvements to make people replay it again.

Nanashi_1337 said, March 10, 2011, 10:12:06 am

I don't understand why you're complaining, SolidZone. It's their choice, there is nothing you can do about it.

Also, you don't know if they will fail the first time or not. And even if they fail, that doesn't mean they won't improve. Don't put everybody in the same sack.

-Red-

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#15 March 10, 2011, 11:40:49 pm

Complicated.cns
No, I've never played a Zelda game before, shut up

To be honest, 90% of the mugen content is not playable at all anyway. I dont see how that would be different in other communities, check the flash, FM2nd and RPGmaker communities and you'll see they are full of shit aswell. Also since when both flash games and mugen games have a really high replayability rate?

You can't unlock shit in mugen games so once you finish it and check the chars you like (Talking about a mugen fullgame) you have nothing else to do, atleast you can code unlockable things in flash games without using stuff outside of the game itself like .rar files with passwords.

pls

Cyanide

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#16 March 11, 2011, 12:52:22 am

Legendary XIII
I am the eye of the storm to come!

I'm actually a member of a flash games site called Kongregate. Flash games have many benefits over playing official games.

1) New game pretty much every day, there is always a gem or 2 among the crap
2) you're less locked down to a developer, WAY more ideas than random FPS
3) you pay nothing
4) if you don't like the game you lose nothing but a few minutes and can move to the next, there is no installation, or ridiculous loading times.
5) if you like achievements on kongregate at least there are 2, both the ones IN the games, and those the site awards you. Only decent games get these so it's actually a pretty good filter.

The thing they don't have, is mega beautiful 3D graphics, but you don't need those to enjoy the massive variety of flash games out there. It's not just TD's. I've played some remarkably fun, replayable and more than "a few minutes" games that i would have paid for had i known they were as good as they were. I played Elona Shooter for about 2 months, it took THAT LONG to get the hardcore badge achievement.

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They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.

The Aboriginal One

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#17 March 11, 2011, 01:26:27 am

Still around, guys, more awesomer.

Personally, I want to do flash games to build enough revenue to have a choice between doing another flash project, a console project, and a mugen project.

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#18 March 11, 2011, 04:14:58 am

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I would not program games, games are for the unskilled programmer who can't make a living making real programs.

Vans

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#19 March 11, 2011, 04:24:55 am

The Legend Will Never Die

brb making flash games

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#20 March 11, 2011, 04:31:57 am

Somebody PM when Caddie is no longer a mod.

XGargoyle said, March 10, 2011, 09:36:41 am

Besides, if you mention in your resumé "experienced developer in Mugen", your employer will think of you as a nerd and then fire you. Otherwise, if you mention "experienced developer in Flash", your employer will probably raise your salary

Yes, we are discriminated against. To end the stigma we should use the mugen engine to create a quickbooks type program or word processor. Then lets see who they are calling nerd.

Bastard Mami

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#21 March 11, 2011, 04:48:47 am

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while you are at it, try to win the f1 prize while riding a horse.

Bastard Wolf

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#22 March 11, 2011, 05:38:11 am

Does this looks like the face of mercy?

The nerve of those mugen criadores wasting their talent on something else than feeding my mugen cock. Those selfish bastards!

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#23 March 11, 2011, 05:43:22 am

Enigma

M.U.G.E.N Forever

Como Hacia Hitler Mijo

MirageAtoli

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#24 March 11, 2011, 05:46:23 am

+1 to whoever added Godzilla to the main index.

K.O.D said, March 10, 2011, 10:15:09 am

flash games are old. it's now all about the crappy facebook and iphone games fad.

Alot of those games are flash-based games.

The Aboriginal One said, March 11, 2011, 01:26:27 am

Personally, I want to do flash games to build enough revenue to have a choice between doing another flash project, a console project, and a mugen project.

What kind of flash games?

XGargoyle said, March 10, 2011, 09:36:41 am

Besides, if you mention in your resumé "experienced developer in Mugen", your employer will think of you as a nerd and then fire you. Otherwise, if you mention "experienced developer in Flash", your employer will probably raise your salary

I think you wouldn't list it that way, anyways. You would list experimenting with fighting-game theory over the engine.

There isn't really any reason someone can't have multiple hobbies.

Titiln said, December 31, 2007, 10:46:10 pm

i think we should call it an "engine" so we don't look like total idiots because otherwise we'd be arguing about a "game" and that would be somehow "dumber" than arguing about an "engine" on the "internet" for countless hours

Beatrice said, March 01, 2010, 06:55:03 pm

Iced said:
I for one, do not enjoy round corners!
But they hurt much less when we accidentally hit them!

Davod Sirloin

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#25 March 11, 2011, 06:30:07 am

YOMI

MirageAtoli said, March 11, 2011, 05:46:23 am

K.O.D said, March 10, 2011, 10:15:09 am
flash games are old. it's now all about the crappy facebook and iphone games fad.

Alot of those games are flash-based games.

The iphone does not support Flash. Steve Jobs hates Flash with a passion.

Thanks to jailbreakers though you can shoehorn it in if you want.

MirageAtoli

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#26 March 11, 2011, 07:06:14 am

+1 to whoever added Godzilla to the main index.

The Penultimate Warrior said, March 11, 2011, 06:30:07 am

The iphone does not support Flash. Steve Jobs hates Flash with a passion.

CS5 does let you cross-compile to a native iPhone App, which can use the facebook's APi.

Titiln said, December 31, 2007, 10:46:10 pm

i think we should call it an "engine" so we don't look like total idiots because otherwise we'd be arguing about a "game" and that would be somehow "dumber" than arguing about an "engine" on the "internet" for countless hours

Beatrice said, March 01, 2010, 06:55:03 pm

Iced said:
I for one, do not enjoy round corners!
But they hurt much less when we accidentally hit them!

kakkoii superhero

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#27 March 12, 2011, 04:01:09 am

all is love in fair and war

I'm quiting mugen and going back to the sims, how are u gonna say about that? lol

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#28 March 12, 2011, 05:52:16 am

Hug Pikachus!

Hmm,

Still playing MUGEN!

Hug the Pikachus!

Hug A Pikachu Today!

Jesuszilla

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#29 March 12, 2011, 05:53:05 am

I'm a fuffy.
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Kyojuu Tokusou Navetsea said, March 12, 2011, 04:01:09 am

I'm quiting mugen and going back to the sims, how are u gonna say about that? lol

I'd say that explains a lot about you.

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It must be really awful being so ridiculous.
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#30 March 12, 2011, 09:10:08 am

Quote

I'd say that explains a lot about you.

Riptide

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#31 March 12, 2011, 09:26:55 am

I wish I knew actionscript. I'd have a job if I did.

The Aboriginal One

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#32 March 12, 2011, 07:36:56 pm

Still around, guys, more awesomer.

Actionscript is easy if you know Javascript, seeing Actionscript is derived from the same script specification.
Even then, learning C++ would give you a good start.

This site might help you learn Actionscript

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#33 March 12, 2011, 10:12:40 pm

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sometimes I just copy paste my action script for javascript.

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#34 March 13, 2011, 11:07:56 am

"Go to the woods....with me!"

I think MUGEN is easier to do than Flash games............

It's supper time!
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