Alex Sinigaglia said, June 19, 2014, 01:32:02 amRead this: http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/mugen-policies-62287.0.htmlOh, I see. Glad you are being fair at this point. I also do not agree with the attitude of Chuchoryu with respect to launch chars without permission of the owner (Why I'm afraid to think about putting certain characters like Gouken in the "Vs Style Debuts" project), but anyway ...
Sprite releases are always and in most cases open source for people to code them whatever way they want to , im sure Dampir doesnt give a shit if anyone uses his sprites for other coding styles besides POTS, if CVSTA complains about someone coding the Gouken sprites into MVC would be ridiculous and childish, it was already a senseless idea to complain about chucho when pretty much everybody knows how he is
Everyone here is doing exactly what Chucho wants: giving him audience. Remember the golden rule, "Don't feed the trolls"?If people simply ignored him and didn't post on his "release" topics, he'd lose the motivation to do things like what he did.
Lord Kain said, June 19, 2014, 01:54:14 amSprite releases are always and in most cases open source for people to code them whatever way they want to , im sure Dampir doesnt give a shit if anyone uses his sprites for other coding styles besides POTS, if CVSTA complains about someone coding the Gouken sprites into MVC would be ridiculous and childish, it was already a senseless idea to complain about chucho when pretty much everybody knows how he isThis, Lord Kain you could not have said it any better.
everytime someone mention this "amigo" stuff... i find it very funny... hehehe...is for real? chu have a language barrier problem?ok, my english is not good too...eh, chu... no more amigo lines, ok?
Yea. It's like a greeting or whatever XDWell.. If I can suggest a thing. Let's this thread end. More unnecessary chatting will take the focus of many people who are doing something for the community, so ... Let this subject a "case closed" at least.I hope Chuchoryu can see what he did, the wrong attitude, and if possible, learn from it. More careful next time, and ask permission to the author, and if he says no, don't release anything before being finished .. Just respect the request. Even that suddenly takes YEARS for the character to be fully ready.So, I will back to my project, my opinions about this thread ends now
Lord Kain said, June 19, 2014, 01:54:14 amSprite releases are always and in most cases open source for people to code them whatever way they want to , im sure Dampir doesnt give a shit if anyone uses his sprites for other coding styles besides POTS, if CVSTA complains about someone coding the Gouken sprites into MVC would be ridiculous and childish, it was already a senseless idea to complain about chucho when pretty much everybody knows how he isExcept that Dampir makes his work as open source whenever he gets his sheets done, so it's no wonder he lets anyone uses them. I'm not sure if CVSTA makes his works completely open source when finished, but the case in here is that he wasn't even done yet with Asuka and Chuchoryu sees himself on the right of releasing the character without even bothering to ask CVSTA if it would be okay.Not to mention both Dampir and CVSTA are completely different cases. From what I know, Dampir leaves a download for his sheets and says anyone is free to use them. CVSTA never did that with Asuka, mainly because it's not even done yet. From what I'm seeing here, he sent the sprites he had finished at the moment to Chuchoryu so he could already get started on coding it while CVSTA would try to finish more animations for Asuka, but Chuchoryu simply took advantage of having the sprites to simply do whatever he felt like with the rest of the character and half-assing something for the missing animations. He didn't show it to CVSTA, he didn't even tell him about it, from what it seems. He just simply took the work and released it like shortly afterwards. That is barely what you could call team work or collaborative. It's disrespectful.That's all I had to say. This is important to me because I'm also a spriter and animator, so I would feel quite the same way if I was in CVSTA's shoes right now.
ight people this is over now, Let just drop it here obviously byakko gonna make this asuka magic anyways. so be prepare in 2 more weeks when her sprites are finish my goal 2marrow is to push out 5 or 4 animation and 2 for tonight, im getting on asuka asap
Darkflare said, June 18, 2014, 08:13:27 pmC.v.s The Abstract said, June 18, 2014, 03:13:44 pmi could care less that i associated with c.ryu, I more concern why he didnt just wait. Like come on, Im sure he would made a decent asuka after the sprite was all finish for he could actually have a finish wip without worrying having to wait for sprites. And Yeah yall are right why did i Associated with him, But i aint even mad at that part im mad at the fact that he just didnt wait. Plain and simple. That Like someone releasing a unfinish beta of Balthazar Majin vegeta *Giving a example* of course ill be piss" but Like i said I aint gonna stop making asuka maybe this meant to happen for me to get more motivated to complete asuka sense i only got 12 animation to go until she completerj10018576 said, June 18, 2014, 07:39:14 pmWith all due respect to cvs, I think it was a good thing that cuch released a alpha of asuka. In the mugen community its been a long held taboo for creators to release partial works. Whenever a preview comes out there is always praise but at the same time encouragement to wait until every last detail is completed or reworked until a release. And we ignore the fact that not only are we working on computers that can lose data that isn't fully backed up at any moment, but creators often get uninspired and/or bogged down by their real lives to finish a project that they set their sights on. Being a recording engineer one famous quote we use amongst professionals is "a mix is never finished, you just stop at the deadline". But in mugen there is no checks and balances to this. Think about it, how many awesome works have been lost in the fold? War Machine by Magus & MccReady, Scarlet Spider by Lasher, Scorpion by Hobgoblin, Deanjo's entire works, Every Two-Face & Riddler character ever attempted, Mandarin by Buyog, Dr Octopus by verz36, Cyborg Superman by KalElvis, Mr Freeze by ColdPyro, & that's just to name a few. How may of those characters would be alive today & updated if someone just released a open source alpha. But no, we get soo bogged down on who gets credit for whatnot that great projects just die left & right. Nowadays when I see a wip I think to myself "how long of a tease will this be before this project dies" & given the mugen community's track record more than likely a wip will die before its completed. So when looking at this "release" I think to myself "thank god at least a asuka is out there" rather than being appalled at CVS not getting to finish a few extra animations (that can easily be added to a update). It just seems like this mentality is hurting the mugen community rather than helping it. & if you disagree justify that graveyard of failed WIPS I just stated earlier. There isn't a mugen community member out here that hasn't been bummed out by some failed wip.J-RichYou must be new here, so I will attempt to very carefully tell you why this mentality is wrong.1. Chuchonryu never EVER finishes anything. He always makes a "beta" and it's on to the next work....which will also be a "beta".1b. I put beta in quoations because Chuchonryu's betas don't even qualify as betas. More like very early alphas.2. After so many people losing their WIPs due to random hard drive crashes and such, I would think by now people would start backing up their stuff in flashdrives or in one of the many file hosting sites available out there.2b. The fact that you consider that list as "awesome" worries me.2c. That said, even if they were released as open source alphas, what makes you so bloody sure that someone would have picked them up and finished them? If anything, they would most likely remain just as unfinished and could possibly have given people the wrong idea.3. I'm sorry to hear read that your favorite comic book characters got canceled/lost that you adopt that mentality. I've skimmed through the projects here and most of them end up being released.3b. On another note, I don't think projects die solely due to credit reasons.3c. When I look at this "release" my mentality is "Oh look, another "beta" chuchonryu will never finish. MI AMIGO."4. Would it kill you to use the enter button to make the paragraph more readable instead of having a large wall of text?Allow me to retort at a normal pace, try and keep up. Dont assume I'm new to mugen or the MFG because I dont post often, I've been a fan of M.U.G.E.N. since around 2002-2003, over 10 years in the game son. And who proclaimed your opinion the moral base of the M.U.G.E.N. community? 1. Yes I know this and I've watched you guys(ever since the Kazuya release) whine, complain, & moan every release. "Do one at a time", "Dony work on another character until you balance this one", "OMG stop releasing all of these characters, you need to do it MY WAY". Instead of whining because he's not playing by your "Rules" why dont you either help him or shut up about it.2. Being that my side job is managing a very well known electronics store, if everyone backed up their data as well as you assume I'd probably be out of a job.2b. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, assuming your taste in mugen is better than the next person is pure narcissism.2c. Lets take Superman as a example. Nice beta that not only spawned a better version (picked up by a different creator nontheless), but also spawned an incredible Bizzaro & 2 shitty frankensprites (cyborg superman & Black Suit superman). Wow look at that!3. While I appreciate your sympathies my favorite comic book character is Batman(which we have a million versions of, however the WIPs I listed don't have too many wips pop up & they're popular characters. Also maybe you should dig a little deeper into M.U.G.E.N.'s history most WIPs Do Not get finished, & most projects wind up as Graveyards of good ideas never released (Warmachinemadness, ProjectX, ScruffyDragon, Alucard's Marvel vs D.C. project, DBZGT Team, Project Webhead, Mortal Kombat MP)3b. No they dont die slowly over credit issues, they die slowly because creators hold on to them, endlessly trying to perfect them and wind up either losing them by accident or just life taking over and them moving on from the community without a trace and lots of followers disappointed at never seeing their work. If Cuch decided to quit tomorrow and another fan decided to take on a Mugen Tekken at least that person would have a base to work with rather than start scratch.3c. Instead of tsk tsk tsking at Cuch help him code, send him some sprites, be positive & productive rather than wagging your finger at hime because he doesnt follow your personal taste in releasing his work. At least he's consistently putting new content out. Who wants to wait 3 years for a single beta?4. You always can tell when someone's arrogant and full of it when they attack grammar in a debate. It's cheap heat, not impressive at all Mr Troll.
Dude. I mean; duuuuuuude.It's all about the disrespectful thing Chuchoryu did to CvsNB. Of course, and everyone here agrees, 95% of Chuchoryu's creations are SUPERbeta stuff. I understand(and respect) the reason why he does that, it's fine to me. What he wants to do is creating a name for himself in a short time, by putting half terrible betas here and there just for n00bZ thinking he's the "ZOMGZ!! MYUGINZZ KREATOR!", while his work needs dedication.That's all.I understand CvsNB here. That's why I don't release the sprites I do while working on them, until the coder doesn't has those. Once released, the sprites I did comes free too. It's all about respect between creators.
MotorRoach said, June 19, 2014, 02:40:18 amNot to mention both Dampir and CVSTA are completely different cases. From what I know, Dampir leaves a download for his sheets and says anyone is free to use them. CVSTA never did that with Asuka, mainly because it's not even done yet. From what I'm seeing here, he sent the sprites he had finished at the moment to Chuchoryu sActually..... he did make the sprites available in a pack on his DA account, along with his Paul sprites. I mean that's where I got them from... makes me worried to release an OpenBor Tekken game I'm busy with using those sprites.
Totally offtopic but:DatKofGuy said, June 21, 2014, 04:11:10 pmmakes me worried to release an OpenBor Tekken game I'm busy with using those sprites.Show me!!
FeLo_Llop said, June 21, 2014, 06:18:08 pmTotally offtopic but:DatKofGuy said, June 21, 2014, 04:11:10 pmmakes me worried to release an OpenBor Tekken game I'm busy with using those sprites.Show me!!Show for us please!
rj10018576 said, June 21, 2014, 07:45:36 amAllow me to retort at a normal pace, try and keep up. Dont assume I'm new to mugen or the MFG because I dont post often, I've been a fan of M.U.G.E.N. since around 2002-2003, over 10 years in the game son. And who proclaimed your opinion the moral base of the M.U.G.E.N. community?Assuming I'm an idiot? tsk tsk. A critical error you will soon regret.Quote1. Yes I know this and I've watched you guys(ever since the Kazuya release) whine, complain, & moan every release. "Do one at a time", "Dony work on another character until you balance this one", "OMG stop releasing all of these characters, you need to do it MY WAY". Instead of whining because he's not playing by your "Rules" why dont you either help him or shut up about it.And clearly you've missed the entire point. The only think we've told him was to fix his characters and focus on one until it is complete before working on the next one. But if you want to be ignorant and claim that we're just telling to do it "our way" then by my guest. The point is that there is no point in releasing so many unfinished characters for the sake of releasing them. Quality over quantity.As for why not help him or shut up?A. Chuchonryu has been given feedback, but he's ignored it.B. Chuchonryu released HIS work and that is HIS responsibility. It is not OUR responsibility.C. Shutting up about it does nothing. That may fly in places like MMV where they have no semblance of quality control and they're just happy that their favorite character is done even if it's a jumbled horrible mess of a character. Not here. Here we give feedback and criticism. Don't like it? Stay in MMV.D. Why don't YOU help him?Quote2. Being that my side job is managing a very well known electronics store, if everyone backed up their data as well as you assume I'd probably be out of a job.I am pretty sure people go to RadioShack for more than Hard drive related issues.Quote2b. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, assuming your taste in mugen is better than the next person is pure narcissism.Well, I've actually played fighting games...Quote2c. Lets take Superman as a example. Nice beta that not only spawned a better version (picked up by a different creator nontheless), but also spawned an incredible Bizzaro & 2 shitty frankensprites (cyborg superman & Black Suit superman). Wow look at that!Let's take AxSeeker's works for example. He made all those "characters" to leave a base. Other than Link(Who needed an overhaul anyway), none of them were used or finished. Wow look at that!Quote3. While I appreciate your sympathies my favorite comic book character is Batman(which we have a million versions of, however the WIPs I listed don't have too many wips pop up & they're popular characters. Also maybe you should dig a little deeper into M.U.G.E.N.'s history most WIPs Do Not get finished, & most projects wind up as Graveyards of good ideas never released (Warmachinemadness, ProjectX, ScruffyDragon, Alucard's Marvel vs D.C. project, DBZGT Team, Project Webhead, Mortal Kombat MP)Maybe you should pay attention to recent times instead of sulking about old WIPs that never made it. WIPs are finished much more often nowadays.Quote3b. No they dont die slowly over credit issues, they die slowly because creators hold on to them, endlessly trying to perfect them and wind up either losing them by accident or just life taking over and them moving on from the community without a trace and lots of followers disappointed at never seeing their work. If Cuch decided to quit tomorrow and another fan decided to take on a Mugen Tekken at least that person would have a base to work with rather than start scratch.What's wrong with asking for credit for their work? This ain't 2009 where that was such a huge deal and elitism was friggin everywhere.Chuchoryu's base is horrible, no self-respecting author would use it. They would just use his sprites and do everything else from scratch anyway.Quote3c. Instead of tsk tsk tsking at Cuch help him code, send him some sprites, be positive & productive rather than wagging your finger at hime because he doesnt follow your personal taste in releasing his work. At least he's consistently putting new content out. Who wants to wait 3 years for a single beta?QuoteA. Chuchonryu has been given feedback, but he's ignored it.B. Chuchonryu released HIS work and that is HIS responsibility. It is not OUR responsibility.C. Shutting up about it does nothing. That may fly in places like MMV where they have no semblance of quality control and they're just happy that their favorite character is done even if it's a jumbled horrible mess of a character. Not here. Here we give feedback and criticism. Don't like it? Stay in MMV.D. Why don't YOU help him?And I would rather wait 3 years for a beta that shows actual promise than 2 weeks for a beta that will be left unfinished and is a jumbled piece of garbage anyway.Again, quality over quantity.Quote4. You always can tell when someone's arrogant and full of it when they attack grammar in a debate. It's cheap heat, not impressive at all Mr Troll.It's not grammar, you idiot. It's making your posts actually readable instead of disorienting your readers with large blocks of text.But sure, call me a troll because I don't want to waste my time trying to read what you said when all you had to do was separate them into paragraphs which takes like no effort to do.
Darkflare if you want to actually have a conversation about this how about you stop being so needlessly insultive; you can make your points without being a giant douche, it's pretty fucking easy.
lol no... this is actually better than TV... I've almost finished my bag of popcorn, this is pretty entertaining stuff, please continue!
Amy said, June 21, 2014, 11:46:32 pmCan't we just let this die already?Deleting this topic will make it die.
