[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIJbde4Y71E[/youtube]

A video showing most of what's wrong with Devil Jin. Harsh maybe but feedback is feedback.

chuchoryu always responds to frank/harsh criticism with grace and humility from what ive seen keep it up and you'll get better you've already made the best kazuya out there

i like his kazuya but he has to slow down with making new characters and focus on the ones he has or he will never get them done

MightyKombat said, April 11, 2013, 12:37:06 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIJbde4Y71E[/youtube]

A video showing most of what's wrong with Devil Jin. Harsh maybe but feedback is feedback.

I'm going to be frank here, but again, this is just my opinion.

I don't like Churchoryu's works or his stance. At all. Because:

1: Beta. Beta. Beta. All we get are Betas. We get a smathering of betas and no solid tweaks to existing works, with the exception of adding in a new move. That's it. And just when you think you're smelling the aroma of a new character, you're either A: greeted with a re-sprite (E.G. Young and Old Heihachi) or B: another... beta. Authors with much more talent actually IMPROVE their work with each subsequent post through, you know, actual feedback instead of... beta after beta. And it's this demeanor that makes me not like Churcho. I see his intentions, but he doesn't deliver on those intentions.

Also, I'd like to call myself out and say yes, not all of Guild's coders are Rajaa, Cybaster or Cyanide. Churchoryu, or even I, would have to start somewhere. I get that. Even a majority of characters with sub-par coding were still fun to play as. I do not see that with Jin, Mokujin and Heihachi. However, and my point is, there is usually an improvement curve that happens over time; E.G. a particular author learns from their mistakes/shortcommings through feedback and improves on their work. Here, we do not see that. And that leads to... betas.

2: Avoiding feedback: Really?? Do we have to tread this again?? Yes. As listed above, authors listen to what the community has to say and a marked improvement is made in some way or another. Jmorphman, Rajaa and Cybaster are aces at this. Do we all have to be these guys?? Nope. But at least make the damned effort to listen and improve. Instead of "Sure thing Mi Amigo!!" followed by another... beta...

Do you see my point?? I'm not just bashing Churchoryu here. There are people who enjoy his stuff, and that's great. Your opinion is your opinion. To me, this smells like the Kong Situation all over again: Quantity will always outweigh Quality here....

MDD said, April 13, 2013, 01:49:50 am

What are you guys talking about? I haven't even booted him up in MOOJIN (implying I still use it lol) and I can already tell its Character of the Decade

LOL I love your sarcasm...

C.R.O.M - CVS artist said, April 13, 2013, 02:01:51 am

no one will take his work seriously if he keeps doing this thats why im improving and focusing on only three characters so they are good to keep for their mugen

Before this thread is seriously derailed by my opinions, I'm gonna close out with this: C.R.O.M., have you ever heard "Actions speak louder than words?" I only care about your end result, not what you're saying you're going to do. Show us concrete evidence and I'll finally shut up about what I speak of.

Knowing your history, you could talk till you're blue in the face. Again ,show me/us that you're capable through solid releases.

That is all. Thank you.

well everyone would not mind having asuka as a beta since she is in your signature but i think after asuka beta you can focus on those characters that are beta and then start on characters you did not tell everyone about...use your work in progress trend and show your mugen character progress...
i will make the soul calibur vs. tekken screenpack and we can put our characters in the full game and update the game when we  both have progress on the game