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Did Guild change for the better? "Preferation vote topic" 2 (Read 20489 times)

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Re: Did Guild change for the better? "Preferation vote topic" 2
#241  September 11, 2008, 11:49:18 pm
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Re: Did Guild change for the better? "Preferation vote topic" 2
#242  September 11, 2008, 11:51:31 pm
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Re: Did Guild change for the better? "Preferation vote topic" 2
#243  September 11, 2008, 11:52:06 pm
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shamrock said, September 11, 2008, 11:43:17 pm
Shit did I cause all this?

It's not your fault.
They have been dissatisfied with their relationship for years.
I'm not sure which one will get custody, but things'll turn out good in the end kido.
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Re: Did Guild change for the better? "Preferation vote topic" 2
#244  September 11, 2008, 11:52:23 pm
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They take your code and use it to make another character doesn't take anything away from you.
Except the feeling of having your stuff used for something that is not what you wanted it to be.
Don't go into whether it's right to feel such a thing, you can't prevent people from actually feeling like that. Your creation can be "your baby". Someone just takes a picture of it, desecrates it, you get angry, even if it's "just a picture and not the actual baby".

Of course I also agree with AOKM's summary.
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Re: Did Guild change for the better? "Preferation vote topic" 2
#245  September 11, 2008, 11:53:23 pm
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Re: Did Guild change for the better? "Preferation vote topic" 2
#246  September 12, 2008, 12:06:40 am
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Re: Did Guild change for the better? "Preferation vote topic" 2
#247  September 12, 2008, 12:31:19 am
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Re: Did Guild change for the better? "Preferation vote topic" 2
#248  September 12, 2008, 12:42:54 am
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we are arguing for custody but its the other way around, I want him to keep Oz, he wants me to keep oz.

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Re: Did Guild change for the better? "Preferation vote topic" 2
#249  September 12, 2008, 12:45:07 am
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People will feel how they feel I guess, but as a precaution I'd like to thank anyone who helped me make a character even a little.  Even the sprite rippers and people who programmed Fighter Factory if necessary.

If it's coding though (which I can tell you right now is over my head), I'll only copy-paste what people allow and only to get certain aspects of my character to be more accurate as a Guilty Gear character.  Otherwise if I gotta do this stuff myself, I'mma beg and plead for tutorials out the wazoo till I make progress.  ::)  

I'm never gonna do this for profit, just so you know...I do it cause I'm a fan and I wanna do it and see it get done.  Even if someone turned my idea into something retarded, as an artist I've learned not to let that sort of thing get me down...heck, it happens even more as an artist than a programmer what with photoshop being so easy to work with.

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#252  September 12, 2008, 01:26:52 am
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#253  September 12, 2008, 01:30:19 am
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Iced said, September 11, 2008, 11:48:20 pm
opinion is biased now?
I guess saying that pots was being harassed was being biased too while you thought he was backstabbing people?
By extension of that definition, yeah.
One side of that argument favors POTS, the other doesn't.

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#254  September 12, 2008, 01:37:02 am
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[B]yakko said, September 11, 2008, 09:11:57 pm
I did figure you were thinking of the Warner case ; but the problem isn't *only* that he's a "bad" (as in, low quality) creator, but also a terrible (as in, low ethic) creator.
But then, the second part of your new post (when enough is enough) replies to that. Well in that case, the thing is that Warner said several times "okay I'll play good now" and broke these words several times. He's currently using opensource chars, but some think that he wouldn't be bothered if he were to use one that isn't opensource again. Enough would be enough when Warner would actually show he can keep his word.
I agree with that first bold text...
but in the other one...he's already maintaining his word...so what's the problem?, let him be meanwhile, if he fucks up again he will get it hard...

The Great and Powerful Oz said, September 11, 2008, 11:16:38 pm
Which only shows that those who despise Warner's fame, are the ones who continue bringing the spotlight on him.
and the ones attacking him in every creation (even the ones that aren't wrong) just makes him get more attention...good work ::)

Zangief said, September 11, 2008, 11:16:56 pm
And now we'll have to spend 2-3 pages again discussing arguing about whether code can truly be not opensourced due to the fact that everything is written as pure-text files.
So let's not and say we did?
because people thinks that coding something in mugen is like coding something in C++, and that its the same as creating a program and bla bla...so they think it can be licensed or something...

but no, it's like coding something in RPG maker, and "licensing" something used in a limited engine that has its own parameters, parameters that are already defined and explained within the engine, and "licensing" or having "limited use" authorship is like licensing the use of a common word...this is not like coding a CSS or a PHP program or something like that...

but, even if it can't be "licensed", it has an authorship, an authorship that can't be limited in use, but can be limited in full copying (creative commons license), so, this license, for the ones that don't know, limit a person to fully copy, or just vary the full thing, but permits for others to take small pieces (parts of the code for example)

[B]yakko said, September 11, 2008, 11:26:24 pm
Iced said, September 11, 2008, 11:07:48 pm
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the truth hurts more but should be said!
Yes maybe you missed the part where Warner has a record of not doing just that ? AFAIK, Warner is despised for a completely shitty attitude he displayed on several occasions.
despised by some, not by all, he gets what he deserves when he copies, but he is not mugen enemy#1, if he is respecting, then attacking him head on is being just as shitty as he was some other times...attack when it's needed, not when theres no insult...

[B]yakko said, September 11, 2008, 11:31:43 pm
-_- you really can't have any discussion and you can't even see when I'm not speaking for myself.
I'm saying the reason he's hated is because of what he did in the past. I'm not saying anything about what I think of him and what he did and what I think of the current attitude toward him. All I'm saying is that your fucking lame attempt at being hurtful was retarded and uncalled for.
just a little friendly side note...when someone delivers a message (ie:speaking the idea of other person), its best to also deliver the name of the author, so the bashing ends there and not with the messenger...

shamrock said, September 11, 2008, 11:43:17 pm
but for me the thing that makes thing not valid is that no one is making money. They take your code and use it to make another character doesn't take anything away from you.
thats why creative commons exist today bro, is like a little respect thing more in the law part, applied to things like free stuff or opensource...like its name, its just common sense...

P.o.t.S. said, September 11, 2008, 11:49:18 pm
I'll buy everyone a soda if my nickname stops being brought up in every fucking thread. :P
Kagami said, September 07, 2008, 10:30:50 am
...for POTS sake...

Blade Galewind said, September 12, 2008, 12:45:07 am
...I'm never gonna do this for profit, just so you know...
you can't even if you wanted...thats truly illegal...

Zangief said, September 12, 2008, 01:30:19 am
Iced said, September 11, 2008, 11:48:20 pm
opinion is biased now?
I guess saying that pots was being harassed was being biased too while you thought he was backstabbing people?
By extension of that definition, yeah.
One side of that argument favors POTS, the other doesn't.
in definition yes, just like you said...just no in application, in a truly real sense, he-who-asked-not-to-write-his-nick-here-in-exchange-for-this-soda-that-I'm-drinking can close or open his site whenever he wants, so, who gives a rat's ass if he did or did not realized what others wanted? its his freaking site...

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Re: Did Guild change for the better? "Preferation vote topic" 2
#255  September 12, 2008, 01:42:23 am
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#256  September 12, 2008, 01:47:39 am
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just a little friendly side note...when someone delivers a message (ie:speaking the idea of other person), its best to also deliver the name of the author, so the bashing ends there and not with the messenger...
Well I do say "he's despised because yadda yadda", not even "I despise him because yadayadda" :blank: With that, it's not really my fault if someone gets that wrong, hence why I say every now and then that people don't read, because, seriously, this is what I say :-\ I don't see how else I could say it or why I would say it otherwise :freak:
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who gives a rat's ass if he did or did not realized what others wanted? its his freaking site...
True as it may be, losing the "support" (whether it initially was a joke or not) of He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named is the reason a lot of people just decided to ridicule the whole idea. So yeah, making everyone else look like fools when you first acted like you supported their ideas (genuinely or not) can easily be seen as backstabbing.
It's his site... Well someone supporting one side or the other is that person's choice too, it doesn't make his actions any less of a backstabbing if he acts one way then switches for the other.
Not that I'm giving any blame, just calling things as they are, how else would you call it. Shit happens.
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Re: Did Guild change for the better? "Preferation vote topic" 2
#257  September 12, 2008, 02:05:10 am
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Creative commons? I'm Andy Warhol and I paint a can of soup I don't have to pay the guy who made the design of the label on the can of soup. Creative Commons also have to do with credit and payment. Like I said if credit is given and no one can make money on something then were is the harm in someone making a different character with the same code? He's not steeling your character because he's making a new one. He's not taking money out of your pocket. All he has done is made a disappointing character that could be better.

Common sense huh? You do realize that common sense says if a guy puts something on the net that has no copyright you can't do much about it.

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#258  September 12, 2008, 02:14:24 am
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[B]yakko said, September 12, 2008, 01:47:39 am
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just a little friendly side note...when someone delivers a message (ie:speaking the idea of other person), its best to also deliver the name of the author, so the bashing ends there and not with the messenger...
Well I do say "he's despised because yadda yadda", not even "I despise him because yadayadda" :blank: With that, it's not really my fault if someone gets that wrong, hence why I say every now and then that people don't read, because, seriously, this is what I say :-\ I don't see how else I could say it or why I would say it otherwise :freak:
i agree whit your idea, what i say is deliver the name also  :P, so no one will ask/bash you for anything

[B]yakko said, September 12, 2008, 01:47:39 am
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who gives a rat's ass if he did or did not realized what others wanted? its his freaking site...
True as it may be, losing his "support" (whether it initially was a joke or not) is the reason a lot of people just decided to ridicule the whole idea. So yeah, making everyone else look like fools when you first acted like you supported their ideas (genuinely or not) can easily be seen as backstabbing.
It's his site... Well someone supporting one side or the other is that person's choice too, it doesn't make his actions any less of a backstabbing if he acts one way then switches for the other.
Not that I'm giving any blame, just calling things as they are.
it's not backstabbing, it's fault of the other part for idolizing  :P, it's like the PS3/wii a year back, there was too much hype rather than actions, then someone buys a PS3 to crush it in a youtube video  :P

now i think i ask something that maybe it's not a good idea , but i don't remember quite well right now...

what was all about the closing thing from back then...i mean, why was the action asked, or what was the idea...i don't remember now...

shamrock said, September 12, 2008, 02:05:10 am
Creative commons? I'm Andy Warhol and I paint a can of soup I don't have to pay the guy who made the design of the label on the can of soup. Creative Commons also have to do with credit and payment. Like I said if credit is given and no one can make money on something then were is the harm in someone making a different character with the same code? He's not steeling your character because he's making a new one. He's not taking money out of your pocket. All he has done is made a disappointing character that could be better.

Common sense huh? You do realize that common sense says if a guy puts something on the net that has no copyright you can't do much about it.
thats why i say it is more a thing of common sense  :P

they use the license more in art sites/webs/nets like deviantart...and is just to prevent people to use it for making profit  :P, thats is where it applies...and it's actually working...

but you are right, all the "licenses" or "permissions" in mugen is just in a moral sense...no one can do you anything no matter what you do...aside from bans and stuff like that...cause the only thing where law can assist is in the original sprites (fully i mean, not a ryu with another head)...that's considered pixel art, and has an authorship, and law applies there...but yeah, again, like you said, if there's no profit, theres actually nothing that can be done (and thats exactly what pisses others, they just can't do anything about it, thats when the forum bashes/dramas in the mugen community were born)...it's like suing a cosplayer inside a comicon or whatever it is called, just for using "the same" costume as another one...

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Last Edit: September 12, 2008, 02:17:57 am by Kagami

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Re: Did Guild change for the better? "Preferation vote topic" 2
#259  September 12, 2008, 02:15:13 am
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I wish random mod wouldn't have deleted the topic I wrote at that time, explaining what happened on my side, because I can't remember half of it by now.  But I do remember a "haha, lol" attitude while announcing it at the IRC channel which didn't hint at seriousness, and that was after messaging KFM in private saying it was just temporary.
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#260  September 12, 2008, 02:16:55 am
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Its still your fault that he used it to convince others to close site too.
And then it got played out so that they were victims of your mischief.

I was there back then when it happened, I even announced it at mgbr.
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