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Difficulty Confusion
#1  December 06, 2011, 09:48:49 pm
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Currently Im switching over to MUGEN 1.0 and I figured I'd go and double check all the old order= values for the characters.


Not too far in and one of the things I was afraid was going to happen happened. An order=1 from old MUGEN became beyond boss level in MUGEN 1.0.

The character in question is Luchini's Mimi from Metal and Lace.

Just what is MUGEN 1.0 doing to the old character's AI and is there any way to reverse it or do anything about it, because right now she's basically no fun to fight and I'm sure she wont be the last instance.
Last Edit: December 06, 2011, 11:21:56 pm by Carmell

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Re: From order=1 to order=4
#2  December 06, 2011, 10:44:15 pm
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order=X doesn't control the AI behavior, it just sort the order in which characters will appear...

even in winmugen it will kick your @ss, regerdless of the "order=1"

Order=X work like this:

[Options]
Here you set the maximum number of matches to fight before game ends in Arcade Mode.
The first number is the number of matches against characters with order=1, followed by order=2 and order=3 respectively.
For example, for 4,3,1 you will fight up to 4 randomly-picked characters who have order=1, followed by 3 with order=2 and 1 with order=3.

arcade.maxmatches=4,3,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
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Carmell

Re: From order=1 to order=4
#3  December 06, 2011, 11:01:37 pm
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No that wasnt what I was confused about.
I know all about setting order.

I was confused why a former easy to fight character has now jumped to boss level when transferred to Mugen 1.0.

Now I've noticed something more peculiar and ominous.

If I fight "Mimi" on round 1 there's no obvious difference from old Mugen

any round besides 1 and she skyrockets in difficulty.

Is Mugen doing some kind of automatic difficulty increase round by round? And then such a drastic increase just in round 1?

Doesnt that kind of ruin the main need for an order system?

If anyone knows whats going on tell me

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Re: Difficulty Confusion
#4  December 09, 2011, 05:01:22 am
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It sounds more like there's something coded within the character's AI that make it do that.
Probably not Mugen itself's fault.

So I assume the enemy wasn't like this before you made the switch to 1.0 right?

Try fighting the enemy with a different char?
I know there are some chars which will get "super powers" when faced with another char.

Also I know there are some characters that would also get a souped up AI after the first round...

It's probably some kind of code in the AI that somehow makes it behave differently. But if it didn't behave this way before, I'm not sure what exactly could e the problem.
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Carmell

Re: Difficulty Confusion
#5  December 10, 2011, 04:53:18 pm
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No, Im afraid it did behave this way before now that I went back and double checked. I assume this is all because of the AI ramping coding which is a total nightmare for someone trying to get accurate order= ratings...
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